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A
Cool
yeah
welcome
everybody
and
for
those
joining
us
afterwards,
via
the
recording
today
is
our
march
first
sig
usability
meeting
so
welcome
all
cool.
So
I
wanted
to
yeah
just
open
it
up
in
case
anybody.
A
You
know
we
we're
kind
of
chatting
offline
a
little
bit,
but
if
anybody
wants
to
like
introduce
themselves
or
just
talk
about
like
how
they
heard
about
the
sig
and
just
like
kind
of
like
what
they're
hoping
if
they're,
just
listening
in
or
just
kind
of
like
hoping
to
get
involved
in
some
way,
so
pretty
open.
B
All
right,
I
can
just
say
hi,
this
is
actually
my
first
meeting,
I've
been
to
I've
been
working
with
kubernetes
type
products
for
quite
a
while
now
aware
that
you
guys
existed,
but
never
actually
formally
reached
out
or
tried
to
get
more
often
so
looking
to
potentially
do
that
in
the
future
cool.
Like
I
said
I
I
work
at
docker
right
now,.
C
I'd
I'd
also
like
to
say
hello:
this
is
my
first
meeting
as
well
yeah,
so
I
I
just
volunteered
to
do
the
research
kind
of
thing
and
I'm
here
to
I'm
here
for
the
follow
up.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
yeah,
we'll,
we'll
definitely
get
to
the
jobs
to
get
an
update,
yeah,
so
you're
welcome
in
the
chat
but
yeah.
Thank
you
for
your
help.
Is
it
supers
mita?
Am
I
saying
your
name
right.
A
Okay,
cool
and
then
I
know
we
have
patra
on
the
call
so
hello
and
pamela,
who
has
been
with
us
before
hi
everyone.
D
A
My
first
time
welcome
glad
you
can
make
it
yeah.
So
cleopatra
was
our
intern
through
the
it
was
the
linux
foundation
right
right,
cleopatra
yeah,
yeah
worked
with
us
for
six
months
and
yeah,
all
the
all
the
great
like
annotations
that
we
have
on
our
jobs
to
be
done.
Transcripts
are
kind
of
like
thanks
to
you,
so
thank
you
for
joining
yes,
good
to
see
you
on
the
call
cool
and
then,
but
you
know,
pamela
you've
joined
us
before
so.
E
Yeah
hi
hi
all
I've
I've
been
with
mistake.
The
date
actually
was
launched
with
kevin
and
kasha.
We
started
the
conversation
together,
but
I've
been
out
for
like
six
months.
I
would
say,
because
I
was
really
busy,
but
now
I'm
back,
I'm
really
excited
to
actually
see.
What's
going
on.
I
was
going
through
the
agenda
like
if
you
know
I
had
to
go
back
to
finding
like
where
the
meeting
was
so
kind
of.
Like,
I
think
gabby.
I
wanted
to
talk
to
you
this
slack,
but
how
do
you?
A
Really
our
active
project
right
now
is:
is
the
jobs
to
be
done?
Okay
project,
we
don't
we
we
do
like
a
mix
of
like
talking
on
the
slack
about
it,
but
then
also
because
we
interviewed
people-
and
we
don't
want
to
like
be
like
super
public
about
like
their
like
information.
Then
we
end
up
doing
some
like
private
messaging
offline.
So
that's
why
yeah
it's
like
partly
visible
and
like
partly
just
yeah,
but
that's
our
main.
A
That's
our
main
project
still
today
and
then
obviously
like
we're
always
open
to
just
like
people
like
submitting
proposals
for
new
projects,
that's
also
still
kind
of
like
open
to
that,
but
but
yeah.
A
I
think
that
the
update
for
the
job,
suite
and
update
is
really
the
only
thing
that
we
were
planning
on
covering
today.
So
I'll
cover
a
little
bit
of
that.
I
know.
There's
some
people
on
the
call
as
well
that
that
are
involved
in
that.
So
we'll
do
a
quick
update
and
then
open
it
up,
and
I
think
that's
it
for
today.
A
A
So
we
have
march
we
have
april
and
just
like
the
the
big
update
is
that
we
kind
of
like
send
out
cleopatra
on.
The
call
here
has
already
gone
through
and
tagged
quite
a
few
of
the
interviews
and
what
we're
hoping
to
do
is
because
jobs
to
be
done
can
be
like
so
subjective
is
we
want
to
get
two
people
kind
of
like
going
through
and
just
kind
of
like
kind
of
like
just
doing
like
a
not
a
pair
but
just
kind
of
like
a
like
a
sanity
check.
A
So
we're
is
one
of
those
people
that's
going
through
and
just
kind
of
like
contributing
in
that
way.
So
yeah,
I
susmita.
I
don't.
I
don't
want
to
put
you
on
the
spot
here,
but
do
you
have
any
just
like
anything?
You
want
to
say
just
about
like
how
the
process
has
been
for
you
so
far,
or
just
generally
kind
of
like
how
it's
been
for
you
going
through
the
transcripts.
C
Well,
the
process
is
like:
I
followed
the
tutorial
that
you
posted
last
week.
It
was
quite
helpful,
but
I
I
don't
actually
get
what
we
are
trying
to
do
after
the
the
transcripts
that
are
already
marked
that
are
tagged
and
what
we
are
going
to
do
with
that.
Should
we
proceed
with
the
like
as
representative
tutorial,
like
synthesis
and
all
of
the
analytics
stuff,
or
we
should
just
a
quick
overview
and
quality
check,
like
all
of
the
tagging,
is
correct.
A
Yeah,
so
so
two
two
kind
of
like
answers
there
we
as
far
as
what
we
want
to
do
with
all
of
the
tags.
We
at
some
point
we'll
get
together.
You
know
like
in
april
the
the
synthesis
part
and
I
think
something
that
we'll
do
is
kind
of
start
talking
about.
Like
you
know
what
are
like
the
high
level
like
stages
of
kind
of
like
somebody's
experience
with
kubernetes.
A
You
know,
because
in
the
interviews
we're
tagging
things
related
to
you
know,
I
want
to
like
tasks
like
related
to
monitoring
and
troubleshooting
and
onboarding,
and
it's
a
little
bit
like
all
over
the
place.
But
but
I
feel
like
just
that's
normal
at
this
stage,
so
we're
going
to
get
like
a
huge
variety
of
tasks
that
we
that
we
highlight,
and
that
would
surface
so
yeah,
and
so
you
saw
the
tutorial.
A
That's
that's
very
fine-grained,
so
you're
going
through
the
transcripts
right
now,
you're
kind
of
like
double
checking
some
of
the
highlights
and
the
annotations
that
have
already
been
made,
but
also
you
know,
you're
kind
of
looking
for.
Are
there
other
opportunities
to
highlight
additional
tasks
as
well,
and
so
so
that
all
is
normal
and
then
we'll
kind
of
like
start
grouping
them
into
again
like
those
phases?
A
A
So
that's
kind
of
like
what
we're
what
we're
working
towards,
and
I
can
probably
send
you
a
picture
of
what
that
might
look
like.
C
I
did
so
I
did
see
that
that
mind
map
thing
in
the
yeah
ppd
yeah.
I
think
you're
talking
about
that.
A
Mm-Hmm
yeah,
so
you
know,
and
that
one
carl
had
like
just
like
many
other
stages,
and
they
were
all
kind
of
like
related
to
like
you
know,
because
kubernetes
is
such
like
is.
It
is
for
kind
of
like
these,
like
platform
builders,
you
know,
and
so
those
like
phases,
I
use
here,
are
kind
of
like
the
elements
of
yeah
like
what
it
means
to
kind
of
like
build
and
maintain
a
platform
with
kubernetes.
So.
C
Yeah
so
like
the
on
update
on
my
partners,
I
went
through
as
as
assigning
to
the
first
first
interview,
and
I
just
double
checked
it.
I
added
one
or
two,
maybe
some
additional
tagging
and
rest
everything
is.
Everything
was
fine.
A
Awesome
how
how
long
was
the
interview
that
you
went
through.
C
Yeah
but
but
since
everything
was
already
labeled,
so
it
won't
take
much
time
cool.
A
C
A
Yeah
I
I
went
through.
I
went
through
my
interviews.
Well
the
I'll
talk
generally
about
the
interview
that
I
went
through
not
too
specifically,
but
maybe
just
to
see
if
they
talked
about
any
anything
like
similar.
A
So
mine
was
an
engineering
manager
which
was
a
little
different
because
because
they're
not
like
hands-on
with
kubernetes,
but
they
have
been
in
the
past,
like
they
were
an
sre
in
the
past
and
they
were
a
developer
in
the
past
as
well.
But
then,
like
their
current
role,
is
kind
of
like
management.
For,
let
me
let
me
remember,
operationalizing
a
kubernetes
platform,
so
some
maybe
like
some
of
the
interesting
things
that
I've
found
about
that
one.
A
Where
that
she
has
a
lot
of
like
alignment,
work
that
she
does
with
the
upstream
community
like
trying
to
like
I'll
make
sure
that
whatever
they're
working
on
kind
of
like
aligns
with
the
upstream
kubernetes
project
and
kind
of
like
looking
for
opportunities
to
contribute
upstream,
so
that
was
kind
of
something
different.
You
like
something
interesting
that
I
that
I
saw
in
there.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
had
like
any
similar
things.
C
The
interview
I
went
through
was
about
he
was
in
free
on
a
company
and
in
a
company,
and
he
also
runs
a
startup
where
he
uses
kubernetes
very
extensively
and
for
the
day-to-day
task
they
like,
like
they
keep
the
cluster
loads,
maintaining
and
keep
running.
So
they
maintain
that
and
also
he
has
been
using
kubernetes
for
like
four
years,
but
not
like
only
in
the
vms,
not
in
the
in
the
traditional
way
not
like
in
the
clouds,
but
they
have
been
using
shifting
to
it
recently.
C
So
they
also
maintain
the
nodes
from
like
200
to
3000
nodes,
200,
nice
yeah,
and
they
frequently
like
they
share
their
knowledge.
Like
I,
I
found
that
a
funny
part
they
they
educate
if
themselves
in
the
team.
They
have
meetings
regular
meetings
where
they
share
their
one
person.
Who
is
a
knowledgeable
one?
C
He
teaches
the
others
about
what
he
learned
at
the
week
and
that's
how
they
interact
and
he's
kind
of
currently
very
lightly
contributing
to
the
kubernetes
docks
after
using
the
kubernetes
for
six
years,
so
yeah
that's
cool
and
his
team
yeah.
He
was,
he
wasn't
actually
using
when
it
is
in
the
first
place.
He
was
more
into
like
monitoring
part,
and
then
he
moved
to
the
sre
sre
team.
So
after
that
he
started
using
it.
A
C
He's
currently
like
also
learning
he,
he
first
got
his
like
interest
in
contributing
to
kubernetes
and
open
source
in
the
kubecon
event
and
over
there.
After
that,
he
started
a
little
bit
of
community
work.
Nice.
A
That's
awesome
yeah,
so
maybe
I
I
have
a
couple
notes
here
as
well.
One
of
the
things
that
I
noticed
from
going
through
the
transcripts
that
was
challenging
for
me
and
was
kind
of
like
when
we're
highlighting
the
a
lot
of
tools
are
mentioned
so,
for
example,
like
datadog
and
grafana,
splunk
and
datadog.
A
So
a
lot
of
people
mention
the
tools
and
so
I'll
still
highlight
that.
But
you
know
like
from
the
tutorial
from
the
tutorial
video
it's
it's
interesting
because
I
know
like
kubernetes
is
like
so
technical
for
technical
people,
but
at
the
same
time,
like
the
tools
change
so
quickly
that
you
know,
I
find
myself
thinking
a
lot
about.
Like
you
know.
Yes,
they
were
using
data
done,
but
what
are?
Why
are
they
using
it
and
like
what
are
they
trying
to
achieve?
A
And
so
sometimes
I
was
kind
of
like
making
notes
like
you
know,
I
think
that
they're
trying
to
understand
the
state
of
kind
of
like
their
like
this
specific
part
of
the
platform,
like
I
would
kind
of
like
try
and
like
put
in
notes
like
that
but
yeah.
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
mention
that,
because
it
was
something
that
I
felt
was
coming
up
like
quite
often.
A
From
from
a
high
level,
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
just
some
background
and
kind
of
like
the
methodology
that
this
is
based
on
this
methodology
kind
of
assumes
that
technology
changes
often
and
that
solutions
change.
Often
so
you
know
what
what
kubernetes
is
doing
today.
A
You
know
it's
very
likely
that
in
five
years
you
know
what
people
are
still
going
to
be
trying
to
do
the
same
thing
like
they're
going
to
be
trying
to,
like,
I
don't
know
like
we're,
trying
to
figure
out
like
what
that
kind
of
like
high
level
goal
is
whether
it's
like
building
a
platf
building
and
operating
a
platform
or
kind
of
like
what
that
is,
but
we're
it's
interesting
and
challenging
to
kind
of
stay
like
technology
agnostic.
A
In
this
analysis,
if
that
makes
sense,
so.
E
A
Yeah
we
have
so
patra
was
kind
of
like
our
did,
an
initial
pass,
cleopatra
of
of
the
interviews
so
and
then
we
also
have
subas
nita
and
then
two
two
others
emily
and
let
me
let
me
just
double
check
emily
and
ashutosh.
Okay,.
E
A
We're
using
tetra
insights,
okay,
so
tetra
insights
did
this
really
nice
like
these
transcripts
and
it
lets
us
kind
of
like
highlight
and
annotate
the
transcripts
and
then
kind
of
like
helps
you
with,
like
tracking,
all
of
like
the
highlights
and
and
stuff
so
we're
trying
it
out.
You
know
it's
in
yeah,
it's
cool
sounds.
E
A
And
we've
so
everybody
we
have
four
reviewers
right
now,
and
so
everybody
has
three
interviews
that
they're
reviewing
okay.
A
E
A
A
E
Nice
yeah,
but
very
interesting
thing
about
the
tools
right.
I
think
just
because
you
mentioned
data
dogs
plug
very
monitoring,
troubleshooting
focused
tools
for
kubernetes,
but
there
are
so
many
other
tools
as
well
that
are
not
just
and
graph
is
also
very
much
like
looking
at
data
and
synthesizing
and
using
to
display
the
visual
elements
of
the
know,
but
there's
so
many
tools
that
don't
do
just
monitoring
and
troubleshooting
and
they're
like
looking
into
you
know
just
supporting
kubernetes
functions
overall
for
an
application
yeah.
A
Yeah
for
sure
cool
yeah,
so
that's
that's
kind
of
the
update.
I've
been
taking
notes
just
on
kind
of
like
things
that
I'm
like.
Oh
yeah.
Oh
here's,
one,
here's
one
one!
That
was
also
interesting.
So
in
my
interview,
one
of
the
tasks
was
building
operators
like
the
person's
building
operators,
and
so
you
know
again
from
like
a
like
a
why
type
perspective
you
know
I
I
went
ahead
and
highlighted
all
of
that.
A
I
feel
like
it's
like
really
good
and
but
it,
but
it's
interesting
kind
of
like
why
are
they
doing
so?
Is
you
know?
Is
it
to
kind
of
like
extend,
but
that
feels
a
little
bit
like
broad,
but
because
one
of
the
things
that
people
have
mentioned
in
previous
interviews
is
that
they
love
the
kubernetes.
Goodness
gracious
the
api
and
kind
of
like
the
high
level
like
the
native
objects
right,
so
I
hesitate
to
say
that
building
operators
is
like
just
extending
kubernetes
or
automating
tasks,
because
you
know
there.
A
It
feels
like
there's
an
opportunity
to
be
a
little
bit
more
specific,
like
what
are
they
trying
to
achieve
with
the
operator.
But
the
thing
is
like
without
actually
having
gone
into
it
during
the
actual
interview
I
feel
like
we
don't
have
that
information
so
keeping
it
at
a
high
level.
I
think
works
as
well,
but
that
was
also
just
an
interesting
point.
A
Okay,
awesome.
Well,
I
think
that's
all
we
have
for
today.
Thank
you
so
much
to
all
of
our
contributors.
Thank
you.
Subs
media
for
for
tapping
on
the
call
ashutosh
had
sent
his
update
over
slack,
so
he
was
able
to
go
through
through
his
interview
as
well.
Pretty
much.
You
know,
tagged
and
replied
to
a
couple
of
them,
cleopatra
if
you're
getting
email
updates
about
like
people.
Commenting
on
your
on
your
annotations.
That's
that's!
Probably
why!
But
it's
it's
all
normal,
so
yeah
yeah.
A
A
Yeah,
so
that's
all
part
of
the
process,
so
cool
well
yeah
other
than
that.
If
anybody
has
anything
else
that
they
would
like
to
talk
about,
but
if
not,
I
think
that's
all
we
have
for
today,
so
cool.
Thank
you.
You
know
the
best
way
I
think,
right
now
to
get
in
touch
with
us
is
through
the
state
usability
slack
channel
so
definitely
like
feel
free
to
communicate
with
us
through
there
and
thank
you
all
for
coming
to
our
monthly
meeting,
see
y'all
at
the
next
one.