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From YouTube: SIG Usability 20190730 (First meeting)
Description
See https://github.com/kubernetes/community/tree/master/sig-usability for more info
A
B
Sure
so
welcome
everyone.
This
is
the
first
meeting
for
the
new
sig
usability
yeah,
exciting
that
it's
finally
happening,
but
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
for
us
to
do
so.
We
have
a
somewhat
sparse
but
deep
agenda
today,
around
kind
of
narrowing
down
what
we're
actually
going
to
be
working
on
I
really
want
to
make
sure
that
we
pick
things
that
are
attainable
and
we
can
actually
get
done
as
opposed
to
kind
of
spitting
out
a
lot
of
what-ifs
and
not
being
able
to
deliver
on
them.
B
B
C
So
just
the
idea
around
the
survey
and
I
can
pull
the
proposal
up
if
anybody
wants
to,
but
it's
just
to
kind
of
since
people
had
expressed
interest
in
defining
personas
and
kind
of
like
key
tasks
that
people
end-users
are
doing,
a
survey
would
be
just
kind
of
a
good
good,
quantitative
way
to
start
collecting
that
I
know.
Singh
p.m.
I
think
that
they
work
with
end
users
as
well.
B
C
Here
we
go
so
I
had
just
yeah.
This
is
a
work
in
progress,
but
some
of
the
things
that
I
thought
would
be
interesting
to
capture
as
far
as
personas
would
be.
You
know
obviously
they're
who
they
are,
which
I
think
is
captured
in
their
job
and
kind
of
like
what
their,
what
their
main
goals
are
with
using
corinne
at
ease,
so
kind
of
like
people
profiles,
but
then
also
team
profiles,
because
they
work
in
a
team
context
and
then
also
company
profiles,
because
it
also
impacts
kinda,
like
the
way
you
use
kubernetes.
C
A
B
Really
love
to
see
in
a
survey
like
this
more
information
about
people's
kind
of
knowledge
level,
what
they're,
using
and
what
the
requirements
are.
I've
found
a
lot
when
talking
to
like
small
and
medium
companies,
that
they
kind
of
just
pile
on
like
the
keywords
that
they
find
and
they
don't
necessarily
know
what
they
need.
So
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
kind
of
help
with
people
solving
their
problems,
as
opposed
to
using
like
a
checklist
of
technologies.
B
C
C
I
think
Brendon
had
mentioned
working
with
a
third
party,
I
think
that
that's
interesting,
but
at
the
same
time
I
think
also
kind
of
knowing
you
know.
I
listed
some
examples
of
similar
work.
That's
been
done
in
quite
a
bit
of
it
is
actually
within
the
Corinna
DS
community.
So
that's
awesome,
and
so
knowing
kind
of
like
what
survey
tools
are
available
to
us,
I
think
would
also
help
us
kind
of
like
get
started
just
to
know
kind
of,
like
the
the
complexity
of
the
questions
that
we
can
do.
Sometimes
it
could
survey
tools.
C
A
So
I
think
so
I
think
brick.
What
Brendan
was
basically
saying,
Brendon
was
saying
was
Brandon
was
that
we
can
get
funding
if
there's
a
tool
that
we
want
to
use
that
cost
money,
but
also
I,
think
the
CN
CF
has
login
accounts
that
we
could
potentially
use
for
things
like
Survey
Monkey.
If
that,
if
like
a
pro
account
of
that
is
like
what
we
needed
to
kind
of
get
what
you
were
talking
about,
like
with
the
different
branching
paths
or
whatever
yeah.
A
Obviously
we
don't
want
to
make
it
too
complicated,
which
I
think
is
why
you're
keeping
it
very
simple
so
that
we
don't
lose
users
by
asking
too
many
questions.
But
maybe
you
can
keep
leading
the
design
on
that
and
then,
if
SurveyMonkey
seems
like
the
right
tool,
we
can
try
and
figure
out
how
to
get
access
to
that.
Yeah
sounds
good.
D
A
So
one
idea
that
I
tossed
around
when
we
were
originally
working
on
the
Charter
was
the
idea
of
kind
of
looking
at
what
Microsoft
has
done
with
like
their
inclusive
design
initiative
and
seeing
if
we
could
do
something
like
that
from
a
kubernetes
perspective
like
having
kubernetes,
inclusive
design
and
so
I
think
that
that
would
be
a
really
cool
project.
Because
once
we
got
something
simple
up,
it
would
be
code
that
people
could
contribute
to
and
I
think.
A
E
Did
someone
else
want
to
talk?
Oh
I
can
talk
to
that
a
little
bit
something
so
this
is
family.
Everybody
hi
I
work
with
Asha
I
dream
it.
So
Microsoft
came
up
with
this
inclusive
design
website
to
help
like
you
know,
designers,
to
build
more
accessible
websites,
so
they
have
like
two
kids
and
guidelines
principle
that
you
can
follow
when
you're
designing
for
Bell
excited
to
make
your
websites
more
accessible.
E
So
when
you
were
talking
about
this
within
VMware
like
denied,
is
that
aside
designing
for
a
product
that
is
using
kubernetes
one
thing,
I
found
really
difficult?
Was
you
look
at
it
from
the
designers
perspective?
You
know
how
do
I
go
about
looking
at
things
from
because
every
you
see
online
today
is
all
code
related
about
the
technology,
but
nobody
ever
talks
about
the
user.
The
problems
they're
facing
you
know:
how
does
one
monitor
communities
application?
What
has
helped
me
like?
There
was
not
enough
details
about.
You
know
a
designer
Skype
to
kubernetes.
E
So
when
we
came
about
in
the
team
you
know
together,
we
were
discussing,
but
you
know
we
have
all
these
designers
coming
on
board
designing
for
kubernetes,
but
it's
very
difficult
to
navigate
through
this
technology
as
a
designer.
So
just
like
a
starters
guide
to
make,
you
know
how
what
it
is
to
design
for
kubernetes.
What
does
what
are
all
the
objects
that
you
need
to
like
focus
on
as
a
designer
which
might
be
on
the
interface
side
of
things?
What
does
it
mean
to
monitor
and
troubleshoot
or
kubernetes
application?
E
You
know
what
is
that
and
then
you
know
on
Gabby's
file
like
how
do
we
define
it
for
each
persona,
because
we
do
have
multiple
personas
are
using
kubernetes,
so
this
is
kind
of
like
you
know
the
thought
process
behind
making
something
similar
as
inclusive
design
and
I.
Think
I
shall
sharing
the
link
on
that
website,
which
can
kind
of
give
you
an
idea
about
what
it
means.
You
know
to
look
at
something
similar
to
that.
F
Hi,
this
is
Raji
here
on
the
lines
of
what
you
just
mentioned.
I
think
it
was
Brandon
who
had
mentioned
that
we
could
have
an
assessment
of
her
current
accessibility
issues
with
the
kubernetes
artifacts,
which
I
think
CN
CF
does
have
some
sponsorship
to
have
a
contractor
hired
to
give
us
an
assessment
of
where
we
are
now
currently,
and
probably
we
could
leverage
that
and
he'd
asked
us
to
get
on
to
create
a
statement
of
work
if
anyone's
interested.
We
could
I
started
on
it.
F
I
haven't
completed
yet,
if
anyone's
interested,
we
could
work
together
on
that
and
provide
him
that
so
that
he
could
help
with
the
second
aspect
about
the
user
journey
is
I'm
from
sigdoc,
so
yeah
we
do
have
a
kind
to
persona
user
journey
already
sorted
out
with
kubernetes.
One
is
for
the
cluster
operator
and
other
one
is
for
the
developers.
F
A
A
A
G
And
so
on,
which
at
least
very
efficient
finds
from
Phuket
Oh,
unlike
two
years
old,
so
I
think
it's
something
that
started
some
time
ago.
But
it's
not
being
use
it
right
now.
So
maybe
we
can
check
the
folks
at
the
start
of
this
effort
and
see
how
they
make
it
or
just
working
in
a
new
way
that
is
unified
across
projects,
because
it's
an
effort
from
cook
title.
But
maybe
we
need
to
make
like
a
common
way
of
dating
and
apply
the
same
thing.
G
G
G
G
F
G
We
have
the
proper
to
ring.
It
will
be
easy
to
get
people
that
is
not
use
it
to
cool,
but
for
the
whole
to
language.
So
they
only
need
to
focus
on
language
instead
of
code
and
then
wake
up
if
we
make
EC
this
this
process
from
getting
a
tool
implementing
the
tooling
around
the
work
that
we
choose
will
be
easy
to
get
people
involved
on
language
and
some
maintenance
that
just
make
me
integration
in
the
language
work
under.
G
It's
like
2
years
old,
so
I
didn't
have
to
change
to
use,
but
it's
an
easy
thing
with
this
environment:
language,
room,
Kolkata
and
see
what
happens
but
yeah.
It's
something
of
this
that
you
can
check
it
in
in
the
code.
I
think
I
shared
the
reppin
it's
like,
but
they
can
check
it
again
just
to
to
get
some
overview
on
how
its
implemented,
but
I
didn't
think
it's
like
I
stand
a
supportive
way.
G
Maybe
we
need
to
to
talk
across
six
and
see
how
each
one
is
implementing
them,
because
in
the
combinations
the
same
thing
happened
in
feeds
on
one
side
when
using
your
ones
using.
So
we
need
to
to
tackle
the
problem
on
the
beginning
for
a
common
tool
and
then
share
this
with
atoms
instead
of
having
each
one
going
his
own
way,
its
own
Lee.
H
B
I
was
gonna:
ask
if
anyone
wanted
to
kind
of
take
point
on
checking
in
with
that
and
kind
of
speaking
out
more
what
we
would
do
or
what
that
would
look
like
so
think
about
this
point.
Since
everything's
exploratory
me,
we
can
have
a
couple.
People
like
go
off
and
check
out
one
thing
and
kind
of
report
back
on
the
logistics.
H
B
B
G
I
seen
register
they
said,
but
having
to
to
check
how
excessive
is
the
website
and
I
did
to
the
pipeline.
So
you
can't
right
now
we
are
running
over
and
there's
out
of
work
that
can
be
done,
improve
the
website
to
the
dogs
on
the
event,
so
maybe
try
to
put
some
effort
on
that
checking
how
queerly
the
website
is.
G
G
F
To
summarize,
really
and
I
have
been
taking
up
some
courses
on
udemy
about
accessibility
and
yeah.
We
already
had
a
working
progress
BR
for
checking
the
accessibility
of
our
website
content
through
our
net.
If
I
but
it's
I
would
say
it
was
eighty
percent
and
we
did
use
a
tool
on
github,
but
it
wasn't
super
successful.
Probably
this
is
the
place
where
we
could
have
it
implemented.
I
Hi,
this
is
Alistar
work
for
VMware
Acton
in
Boston
on
the
East
Coast,
something
that
I
don't
know.
If
anyone
thinks
this
is
a
good
idea,
but
I
wonder
if
any
have
any
thoughts
of
free
list,
thoughts
or
current
thinking
about
the
visual
language
of
representing
kubernetes
resources
is
something
that
is
useful.
I
B
B
B
A
B
A
A
A
If
we
could
have
said
it
would
be,
I
mean
there's
like
interesting
ways
that
we
could
try
to
associate
it
cuz
like
there.
There
may
not
be
really
like
any
relationship
between
size
of
organization
and
size
of
clusters.
Right
like
it
might
be
more
like
what
kind
of
workloads
am
I
running
on
these
clusters,
but
it
would
be
interesting
to
have
kind
of
like
the
user
data
and
then
like
the
cluster
data
and
see
if
we
could
map
any
sort
of
I,
don't
know,
might
be
fun.
B
Yeah,
like
cluster
topology,
is
always
a
weird
topic:
how
many
clusters
you're
on?
How
do
you
manage
them?
What
kind
of
workloads
go
on
them?
Yeah
everyone's
got
a
different
and
very
strong
opinion,
yeah,
so
I
think
I've
said
all
of
my
bits.
I
think.
Do
we
have
anything
else
scheduled
on
the
agenda.
A
But
the
idea
is
that
that
can
become
a
place,
that
we
can
contribute
code
and
collaborate
on
proof
of
concepts
and
have
shared
doc
links
because
a
lot
of
times
with
sig's
and
working
groups,
you
end
up
with
kind
of
like
a
bunch
of
Google
Docs
like
floating
all
over
the
place.
So
as
we
have
some
Doc's
that
are
like
describing
what
we're
doing
and
how
we're
doing
it.
We
should
just
add
a
Doc's
page
that
we
can
add
links
to.
A
So
it's
very
easy
for
people
to
kind
of
find
a
single
point
that
they
can
read
a
lot
about
what
we're
doing
on
and
then,
as
we
have
proof
of
concepts
or
some
code
or
whatever,
like
it,
becomes
a
really
easy
place
for
us
to
collaborate.
So
I
would
encourage
you
if
you
start
working
on
a
prototype
or
something
like
feel
free
to
just
add
it.
There
I
have
a
PR
up
on
that
repo
to
add
instructions
for
how
you
can
become
a
member
of
the
kubernetes
se
organization.
A
In
case
we
want
to
end
up
having
a
project
tracker
or
anything
like
that
and
information
about
how
to
become
a
reviewer
of
codes
like
over
time
and
stuff.
Additionally,
I
posted
a
link
to
our
Charter.
If
anyone
wants
to
read
our
Charter
and
kind
of
see
what
the
overarching
mission
of
this
group
is.
That's
a
good
link
to
read
up
on.