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A
Well,
hello,
everybody!
How
are
you
hi
lee
hello,
ruth
steven
you've
been
to
you
all
all
looking
very
healthy
today,
at
least
those
people
that
I
can
see
on
the
call.
You
know
no
pressure
for
anyone
else
to
turn
on
their
webcam
or
anything.
A
B
It's
it's
been
sunny
here
like
all
week,
but
it's
quite
cold
here
now
like
it
breathes.
There
was
heavy
rainfall
yesterday,
so
but
that's
kind
of
cool
and
I'm
close
to
the
water.
So
there's
a
whole
lot
of
breeze
and
like
I'm.
A
Nice,
not
all
of
us,
have
the
luxury
of
working
outside
like
with
like
ruth,
that's
nice,
all
right.
Well,
ruth
is
frozen
for
us,
but
I'll
share
that
here
in
austin
it's
a
winter
wonderland,
so
it
was
raining
yesterday.
It
froze
and
many
many
many
many
of
the
trees
around
here
have
cracked
very
large.
A
Just
a
blip
they
were,
there
was
warnings
of
well.
I
guess
it
was
twice
that
there
were
warnings,
but
they
were,
they
were
just
they
were
real,
quick.
I
think
it's
steven,
oh.
A
Yeah
power
power
lines
like
the
power
poles
themselves.
I
think
here
we're
supposed
to
freeze
they're,
not,
I
guess
I
guess
these
weren't
treated
for
freezing
weather,
so
some
of
those
were
expected
to
come
down.
A
A
A
A
Good
of
you
to
call
that
out.
Actually,
if
you
don't
mind
just
to
do
a
quick
intro,
I'm
sure
that
not
everyone
has
gotten
a
chance
to
get
to
know
you.
D
So
hi
I'm
aneesh,
I'm
currently
a
finally
a
student
at
iit
indore.
Apart
from
that,
I've
been
in
the
you
know,
selection
of
layer
5
for
some
months,
but
I've
recently
started
contributing
mainly
I'm
contributing
to
the
mystery
ctl
currently,
and
I
think
I'm
making
some
changes
that
are
impactful.
A
Yeah
anish,
I
guess
I
guess
you're
you're
a
lurker,
no
more
or
rather
yeah.
No,
I
remember
us
having
some
initial
conversations
around
get
nighthawk,
just
as
it
was
sort
of
spinning
up
and
we're
going
to
talk
about,
get
nighthawk
a
little
bit
so
yeah.
A
I
don't
know
that
I've
been
able
to
I'm
hoping
that
you
might
even
be
able
to
share
a
little
bit
today
on
some
of
the
impact
that
you've
been
making
yeah
yeah,
I'm
ready
for
that
beautiful,
beautiful,
okay,
last
question:
for
you
the
so
I
t
indoor.
Does
that
mean
that
you're
in
in
dorian
and
I'm
not
trying
to
make
a
silly
joke.
D
A
Okay,
okay,
very
good
yeah,
there's
a
bunch
of
cha
chidporians
running
around
and
and
actually
a
lot
of
the
any.
Almost
all
of
the
iits
I
think
are
represented
in
the
turns
out,
turns
out.
There's.
A
Turns
out
there's
a
lot
of
intelligent
young
people
running
around
india,
studying
golang
and
rust
and
other
things
also
quite
a
few
of
the
same
happening
in
nigeria
and
some
other
places
in
africa
as
well.
So
that's
really
nice
that
yeah
anyway
good
anish,
we'll
we'll
hear
from
you
a
little
bit
more
in
in
a
few
okay.
Anybody
else
new
today,
I'm
having
a
hard
time
pulling
up
participants
list.
A
A
And
also
now's
a
good
time
to
slap
your
name
in
if
you're,
not
if
you
haven't
already
there's
a
few
other
folks,
who've
joined
in
the
community
this
last
week
since
since
last
we
met
a
couple
of
people
who
are
users,
a
couple
of
people
who
are,
I
think,
interested
in
internships,
and
that's
great,
so
you
know
be
sure
to
to
welcome
new
folks
as
they
come
in
I'm.
You
know,
I'm
looking
at
20
or
more
of
you
who
are
here
on
the
call
that
are
they've
been
around
a
long
time.
A
A
Although
it
may
seem
this
way,
it's
actually
not
a
requirement
to
make
bad
jokes,
but
you're
welcome
to
in
other
announcements.
Istio
con
is
coming
up,
so
it's
the
first
conference
dedicated
to
istio.
There
have
been
other
conferences
dedicated
to
well
dedicated
to
service
meshes
service
mesh
day,
which
is
turned
into
service
mesh
con.
A
I
chuckled
when
I
said
there
have
been
other
conferences
dedicated
to
service
measures
other
than
istio,
because
there
was
a
lot
of
contention
about
the
first
service
mesh
day.
It
was
really
just
people
representing
istio
and
that
upset
some
people
and
so
yeah
anyway.
There's
the
first
istio
cons,
so
hey.
A
We
will
be
presenting
the
workshop
at
the
at
the
conference
so
by
the
way,
if
you
haven't
taken
or
read
through
or
tried
to
use
the
workshops
that
that
we
have
here
in
the
community,
I
recommend
that
you
do
if
you're
looking
to
learn
more
about
kubernetes
and
service,
meshes
they're,
self-paced
labs
that
you
can
go
through
some
of
the
times
that
we've
given
the
workshops.
A
Those
times
have
been
recorded,
so
I'll
put
a
link
to
the
workshops
there
and
yeah.
I
encourage
you
to
step
through
them.
It
will
help
you
get
familiar
with
measuring
as
well.
So
in
other
news
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
tally
up
all
of
the
plus
ones,
but
I
think
it
was
quite
evident
from
the
response
that
was
given
to
a
call
for
vote
on
a
nomination
for
utkarsh
srivastava
to
be
to
fulfill
to
kind
of
officially
wear
the
hat
as
a
core
maintainer.
A
Here
I
received
any
number
of
private
remarks
and
comments
that
that
I
will
keep
to
myself
because
because
we
I
don't
need
budkash's
head
being
any
bigger
than
it
is,
we
should
leave
all
the
his
brain.
His
brain
is
big
enough.
So
we'll
I
don't
so
yeah
I'll
keep
I'll
keep
those
comments
to
myself.
Anyway,
it
would
cost
the
congrats
the
hard
work
pays
off.
You've
been
consistently
impactful
and
significantly
impactful
across,
like
almost
all
the
components
and
that's
a
long
list.
A
It
says
a
pretty
cool
thing:
it
means
that
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
trust
for
the
things
you're
doing
and
you're
moving
at
a
quick
pace
despite
holding
down
what
I
understand
is
a
fairly
is
it
is
a
respectable
gpa,
a
quite
respectable
gpa,
so
kudos
to
you.
That's
pretty.
A
Cool
other
other
items,
oh
on
this
same
line
of
thought.
There
is
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
get
nighthawk
today,
one
of
the
projects
and
relatively
new
a
few
contributors
have
already
come
to
bear.
It's
been
quite
lovely,
there's
some
front
end
work,
there's
some
back
end
work,
there's
some
of
both.
A
There's
a
particular
individual,
vinayak
sharma,
who
we'll
hear
from
a
little
bit
later.
Hopefully
today
that
is
getting
dangerously
close,
I
would
say
vinayak.
This
is
your
fair
warning.
If
you
continue
on
this
path,
you
yeah
that
may
be
the
end
of
you.
A
Okay,
those
are
the
announcements.
Anyone
else
have
announcements,
maybe
things
that
they've
seen
here
recently
that
not
necessarily
here,
but
I
mean
things
that
have
happened
interesting
in
in
the
tech.
A
I'm
trying
to
think
I
don't
know
that
I,
oh
actually
yeah.
I've
got
two
so
we've
been
asked
to
I'll,
be
your
program
chairs
for
cloud
native.
A
Awesome,
yes,
awesome
web
assembly.
If
you
don't
know
webassembly,
then
you're,
just
like
everyone
else
here
on
the
call
we've
been
working
on
that
I
don't
know
if
yeah
pranav
is
on
anyway,
we've
done
anyway,
we'll
so
we'll
talk
more
about
this
as
it
gets
closer.
We
have
done
and
are
doing
things
with
webassembly
mesh
re
does
some
things
with
web
assembly.
So
that's
pretty
neat
glad
that
I'll
be
kind
of
the
first
cloud
native
oriented
web
assembly
conference.
There's
also
another
conference.
A
A
I
have
to
go.
Look
it
up,
but
two
recent
technology,
specific
conferences
being
announced.
I
expect
that
they're
just
they're
one
day,
long
deals
it's
possible
that
we,
some
of
you,
might
speak
there
so
reach
out
if
you're.
A
If,
if,
if
I
can
help-
or
we
will
definitely
be
submitting,
we'll
be
presiding
on
the
program
committee
here
as
well,
so,
okay
speaking
of
layer,
five
and
and
all
of
us
participating
in
things
ruth
do
you
want
to
talk
to
us
about
she
code,
africa.
B
B
Sure,
okay,
so
so
I
have
to
put
up
my
video
because
people
are
passing
if
they
park
so
yeah.
So
this
program
is
a
program
she
called
africa
is
actually
like
an
ngo
here
in
africa
that
you
know
helps
women
contribute
in
their
tech
journey,
contribute
they
put
up
programs.
So
the
a
program
is
coming
up
by
good
africa,
that's
sort
of
like
an
open
source.
B
It
would
come
where
just
organizations
sign
up
projects
and
we
the
a
mentor
from
the
organizations
attached
to
the
participant-
and
you
know
the
the
mentor
takes
through
the
whole,
contributing
to
the
particular
project.
B
All
right
so
like
lee
is
showing
up
the
contribution
timeline
for
for
the
program
right,
so
layer
5
is
willing
to
participate
in
this
bootcamp.
So
we
are
putting
up
a
call
for
mentors.
B
So
if
you
are
interested
in
doing
this
and
mentoring,
so
we
have
a
little
google
form
we
have
put
up
for
mentors
if
you're
interested.
Please
kindly
feel
it
and
you
know
pick
the
projects
you
want
to
mentor
for
the
whole
lot
of
projects.
We
stayed
out
here.
You
can
pick
the
project
you
want
mentor
for.
It's
going
to
be
an
interesting
and
interesting
program.
B
It's
a
way
to
you,
know,
diversify
contributions
in
open
source,
and
you
know
bringing
more
women
to
you,
know,
contribute
to
open
source
and
the
five
is
also
going
to
like
get.
You
know
diverse
contributions
from
different
women
in
africa.
So
please
this
you
can
get
involved
by
feeding
in.
If
you
want
to
be
a
mentor
for
this
program,
you
can
get
involved
by
filling
in
this
form
and
will
like
get
in
touch
with
you.
B
B
A
Fantastic,
I
really
encourage
everyone
to
give
it
give
it
some
consideration.
You
always
learn
something
when
you're
trying
to
help
others.
Also,
like
I've,
said
this
for
about
about
the
last
15
years.
I
think.
Actually
it
goes
back
about
20
years,
some
really
nice
individuals
in
africa.
I
know
that's
a
massively
big
statement,
but
so
a
great
opportunity
to
spend
some
time
not
only
learning
helping
others,
but
also
with
some
genuinely
nice
people.
A
So
you
know
on
the
same
topic
of
programs,
internship
programs,
so
the
linux
foundation's
lfx
and
the
google
summer
of
code
both
of
these
programs,
their
their
timelines,
are
starting
to
ramp
up
so
first
it
would
be
the
linux
foundation
lfx,
so
we'll
be
getting
together
some
project
descriptions
and
beginning
to
entertain
interns.
A
So
we
need
to
go
write
this
down,
but
a
lot
of
people
ask
how
you
know
how
to
participate.
Well,
how
do
they
best
align.
B
Will
will
therefore
participate
in
season
of
dogs?
I
think
that's
obviously.
A
Yep,
that's
a
great
that's
a
great
one
to
list
down.
I
haven't
looked
at
the
timeline
there
most
recently,
which
means
that
we
should
go
look
at
the
time.
I.
B
D
A
Thank
you
for
mentioning
it
yeah,
we'll
yep
yeah.
We
do
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
want
to
do
with
docs
a
lot
of
things
and
not
not
just
written
docs
either.
Some
of
what
was
accomplished
last
time
for
the
last
google
season
of
docs
internship
that
was
done
was
around
interactive
labs,
pretty
neat
on
what
shredi
accomplished
there.
A
All
right
on
the
next
topic,
actually,
ruth
again,
you
want
to
talk
about
the
community
handbook.
That's.
B
Sure,
okay,
so
I
was
also
putting
the
link
for
the
new
one.
Well,
I
think
I
was
having
some
issues
doing
that
yeah
yeah
for
this
one
yeah,
so
this
project
or
this
documentation
project
is
just
a
way
to
like
curate
all
the
resources
as
regarding
community
and
putting
them
all
together,
and
you
know
putting
in
everything
about
everything
about
layer,
5
community
in
one
in
one
space
right.
So
that's
what
that's
like
a
wrap
of
what
the
five
community
handbook
is
about.
B
So
I
think
I
lee
mentioned
we
can
put
this,
although
I
have
some
questions,
we
can
put
this
on
the
new
generation
site
right,
but
I
think
I
think,
for
his
stats
would
like
want
to
I'll
try
to
make
it
in
a
document
like
just
have
a
table
of
contents
and
and
he's
doing
a
great
work
with
arranging
this
and
also
for
moderating
food.
B
I
forgot
to
mention
that
so
so
this
community
handbook
is
a
way
to
get
together
all
the
resources
about
the
five
community
right.
So
it's
going
to
the
first
step
here
is
just
checking
for
repetitions
across
all
the
guys.
We
have
so
many
guys
here.
There
are
five
tries
to
make
things
so
simple
for
contributors
and
beginners,
so
the
the
first
tax
here
is
getting
together
all
the
guides
for
the
newcomers
guide,
contributing
guidelines
and
trying
to
check
for
repetitions
and
bringing
them
together.
B
So
I
would
start
working
on
this
next
week,
but
anybody
anybody
is
free
to
you
know,
contribute
to
this,
because
I
feel
really
going
to
be
helpful.
So
we
just
have
once
a
contributor
comes
in.
We
have
a
handbook
and
just
points
to
that
contributor.
Okay,
you
can
check
out
our
handbook
for
all
the
things
you
need
to
know
about
their
five
communities
right,
so
anybody
willing
to
work
on
this
with
me.
You
can
send
me
a
message
on
slack
and
we
can
start.
B
You
know
working
on
everything,
but
that's
all
about
this.
We
still
have.
I
still
have
the
structure
is
not
yet
certain.
I'm
still
trying
to
work
on
how
to
make
this
structure,
but
it's
just
a
rough
start
for
now
and
more
ideas
you
can
put
to
your
ideas,
vr
voice
or
chat
or
even
on
the
dog
is
open
to
anyone
to
edit.
B
A
Is
it
anyone
on
the
call?
Does
this
immediately
strike
an
interest
for
you.
A
It's
it's
content
and
an
effort
that
will
be
highly
used.
A
The
documents
that
we
have
today
we
have
kind
of
a
cross
between
a
few
different
google
docs
that
are
welcome,
welcome
people
that
give
an
overview
of
our
repositories,
some
that
are
oriented
specifically
for
first-timers
things
around
signing
off
on
your
commits
things
around
how
to
how
to
how
to
build
jekyll,
how
to
work
with
gatsby
how
to
just
how
to
get
started
with
golang
and
mastery
ctl
and
just
there's
a
there's.
A
A
broad
collection
of
of
a
lot
of
this
that's
been
written
down
in
individual
places
and
and
they
should
probably
continue
to
persist
in
those
individual
places.
Some
of
those,
especially
in
like
contributors.md
and
many
other
repositories,
but
amassing
those
into
a
single
organized,
conveniently
referenced
location,
really
helpful.
Just
it
will
be
sort
of
on
the
tip
of
tip
of
the
tongue
of
many
of
you
as
you
go
to
welcome
people
into
the
community.
A
A
good
deal
ruth
is
spearheading
that.
So
please
please
talk
to
ruth
a
quick.
You
know
what
let
me.
Let
me
take
this
next
topic
and
we'll
put
it
down
below
next
up.
Anybody
have
any
comments
on
the
program's
internships
or
the
community
handbook
before
you.
A
D
Yeah
so
recently
we
have
made
some
changes
to
machine
cdm.
I
think
that
would
help
for
the
people
that
are
using
in
production
and
they
want
if
they
want
stability.
So
we
have.
We
have
been
adding
the
support
to
the
mystery
ctl
to
correctly
download
specific
versions
of
your
docker
compose
files,
so
that
you
can
easily
work
with
specific
versions
if
you
want
to
or
if
you
want
to
just
stay
on
the
edge
or
something
or
even
you
can
configure
multiple
types
of
your
context
and
easily
interchange
in
between
them.
D
So
currently,
if
you,
the
viewer,
changes,
if
you,
if
you
do
a
reset
command,
what
you
can
do
is
what
you,
what
you
will
find
is
that
cdl
is
able
to
identify
your
context
and
the
channel
and
the
version
and
based
on
that
it
would
fetch
your
correct
docker
compose
file
from
the
github
api.
D
D
C
And
looks
great
to
me,
I
mean
I
just
want
to
trace
through
it,
but
definitely
taking
advantage
of
the
yaml
and
the
branches
and
the
various
flags
that
you're
passing
you
know.
So
it's
the
way
to
do
it.
A
One
of
the
one
of
the
considerations
here-
actually,
maybe
I
won't
speak
to
navendud-
do
you
want
to
you
want
to
talk
about
air
gaps
deployments
and
part
of
the
consideration
around
compose
files
and
kubernetes
manifests.
D
D
A
Yeah
I'll
toss
in
another
consideration
that
I
know
that.
A
Here
on
the
system
reset
command
well,
is
that
well
I'm
going
to
confuse
people.
I
think
if
they
go
into
this
I'll,
just
say
that
you
know
there
are
two
release
channels
for
measuring
from
a
stable
release,
channel
and
an
edge
release
channel
and
hopefully
they're
self-descriptive
and
their
difference.
A
We
had
been
crossing
release
streams
accidentally
with
this
command.
I
mean
it
wasn't
necessarily
the
way
that
the
system
was
designed.
It
wasn't
necessarily
taking
into
account
that
when
you
went
to
reset
your
local
compose
file
that
you
would
be
doing
it
with,
you
know,
I
think
I
think
this
is
what
anish
was
saying
apart.
A
Maybe
I'm
saying
it
slightly
different,
but
that
you'd
be
resetting
it
with
the
appropriate
version,
with
the
appropriate
release,
channel
and
version,
and
so
we
we,
the
system,
originally
had
been
designed
to
highly
encourage
people
to
update
their
meshery
deployments
like
as
and
when
a
new
mesh
readapter
was
added
that
if
they
were
to
do
a
reset
of
their
compose
file
that
that
new
adapter
would
show
up.
A
A
Fortunately,
measures
ctl
doesn't
really
need
to
think
too
much
about
the
measuring
operator
that
gets
deployed
in
kubernetes
measuring
operator.
It
runs
mesh
sync
meshre
server
itself
is
responsible
for
that
consideration
and
now
that
I've
totally
digressed
into
considerations
around
measuring
upgrades
I'll,
put
a
link
to
a
slide
that
talks
about
each
of
the
measuring
components
and
how
they're,
like
considerations
around
when
they're
upgrade,
how
to
upgrade
their
versions
and
how
they
should
be
upgraded.
A
It'd
be
good
to
get
all
of
your
eyeballs
on
that,
because
it's
we
may
have
missed
some
things
so
I'll
I'll
tie
off
this
conversation.
Briefly
with
by
pointing
people
to
the
mushri
architecture
deck.
A
A
See,
okay,
thank
you!
Anish,
nice!
All
right
next
topic
up.
I
just
now
put
karsh's
name
on
there,
and
so
I
don't
know
if,
if
karsh
we're
really
not,
you
have
demoed,
I
think
in
the
past
a
bit
about
the
experimental
command
measuring
ctl
patterns
or,
and
so
but
I
know
it's
a
little
bit
of
a.
A
Well,
a
little
bit
of
a
complex
thought
there,
and
so
I
figured
we
would
just
highlight.
I
don't
think
that
people
have
seen
so
now
that
I'm
taking
over
your
topic
so
course
do
you
want
to.
You
know
just
introduce
this
to
people
again
high
level
and
and
we'll
leave
them
with
the
links
so
that
they
can
participate
if
they
want
to.
D
Yeah
sure
so,
basically,
we've
been
working
on
service
mesh
patterns,
and
that
is
done
yeah.
We
basically
have
the
ability
to
submit
a
one
or
more
yama
files,
most
probably
one.
I
don't
think
you'll
be
needing
more
and
you
can
specify
details
of
your
of
your
application
deployments,
not
only
applications.
Things
like
okay,
let
me
share
one
of
more
parent
files,
so
I.
D
D
Yeah,
so
basically,
the
idea
is
that
you
can
specify
everything
about
your
deployments
about
your
crystal
in
a
single
yama
file
and
specify
all
the
best
practices,
as
you
want
in
a
single
yama
file.
So
here
you
are
saying
that
that
this
is
a
demo
file.
You
can
do
a
lot
more
with.
D
You
would
be
able
to
eventually
do
a
lot
more
with
the
single
yama
file,
but,
right
now
this
yaml
file
is
just
saying
that
okay,
I
am
going
to
basically
provision
isd
services
mesh,
I'm
going
to
do
a
rollout,
I'm
also
going
to
deploy
from
your
kssd
on,
and
you
can
also.
You
also
have
the
ability
to
specify
that
what
should
be
the
execution
order,
some
of
the
some
of
the
deployments
would
be
parallel.
D
Some
of
them
would
be
sequential
depending
upon
how
you
are
actually
basically
what
how
you
are
describing
the
workflow
to
be.
D
Basically
describe
not
extremely
complex
but
fairly
complex,
workflows
in
here,
so
this
is
a
basic
idea
that
you
can
describe
a
lot
in
in
just
a
single,
very
short
part
of
yaml
file,
unlike
basically
how
we
actually
do
with
puberty.
That
is,
you
have
to
deploy
a
lot
of
basically
apply
a
lot
of
yamas,
which
are
really
huge
in
size.
A
Cars
like
to
the
extent
that
this
yaml
goes
on.
Well,
it's
funny
this
yaml
here
it
goes
on
for
a
while.
It
describes
a
whole
lot
comparatively
if
you
were
to
look
at
the
amount
of
yama
that
that
takes
in
between
kubernetes
the
service
meshes
themselves,
prometheus
and
and
the
rest
we're
talking
many
many
many
files
of
of
the
animal
of
manifest
this.
This
is
very
much
so
summarizes
a
lot
into
a
single
file.
A
I
think
many
of
you
are
aware.
We've
talked
about
this
a
little
bit
before,
there's
well
they'll
be
they'll.
This
eventually
will
they'll
be
probably
either
a
section
on
the
layer,
5
io
site
or
its
own
site,
dedicated
to
service
mesh
patterns.
These
patterns
are
being
put
into
a
repository
now
on
github
they'll,
be
released
as
part
of
an
o'reilly
book
called
service
mesh
patterns,
and
so
actually,
actually,
as
of
yesterday
there'll,
be
an
early
release
of
that
book.
A
The
first
couple
of
chapters
I
don't
know
when
it'll
come
out
in
a
couple
of
weeks,
maybe
and
there's
only
it'll-
be
like
three
chapters.
Long
one
of
the
chapters
talks
about
nothing
but
measuring
the
whole
thing,
so
so
look
out
for
your
work
in
that
book.
I
guess
in
that
early
release,
I'll
I'll
sneak
a
we're
I'll
sneak
a
copy
for
folks
here,
get
something
you
can
hang
on
your
walls,
so
to
the
extent
that
this
goes
on
for
a
while.
Is
there
plans
to
visualize
you
know
all
this?
D
Yeah,
so
eventually,
this
is
still
the
like
working
progress,
so
you
would
be
able
to
basically
convert
this
entire
iron
file
into
it
is
cycle
escape
notation,
not
I
mean
basically
mesh
map
notation
and
the
power
of
it
would
be
that
now
here,
basically,
you
are
mentioning
what
services
you
want.
This
is
all
it
takes,
but
in
mishnah
you
would
be
able
to
visualize
it
you
can.
You
will
be
able
to
see
notes
and
yeah.
Basically,
it
would
be
entire.
D
There
would
be,
basically,
you
would
be
able
to
achieve
inter
conversion
between
par
and
file
and
mesh
mark
representations.
You
can
do
stuff
in
mesh
map
converter
pattern
file.
You
can
do
stuff
in
pattern
file
and
convert
it
to
mesh
map
and
in
terms
of
function,
functionality
both
would
be
completely
similar.
So
if
you
want
to
use
a
cli
go
for
it,
parent
file
would
work
fine.
If
you,
if
you
are
a
ui
person,
mesh
map
is
like
mission
map.
D
Is
there
too
in
terms
of
functionality
both
should
be
completely
equivalent,
because
the
data
conversion
would
be
seamless,
you
won't
lose
any
metadata
or
something
like
that
so
yeah.
Definitely,
this
can't
be
completely,
this
will
be
completely
visualized
or
the
work
in
still
working.
A
Progress
you
see,
do
you
does
everyone
feel
that
silence?
Do
you
feel
how
comfortable
that
is?
That's,
like
it's
not
awkward!
It's
it's!
It's
what
you
can
do
when
you're,
when
you're,
all
friends
which
comments
questions,
feedback
for
oo,
cars.
A
A
Little
known
fact,
ludkarsh
has
portions
of
various
json
schema
rfps
memorized.
A
Good,
thank
you.
Thank
you
crash.
Thank
you
for
letting
me
harass
you
as
well.
The
next
topic
up
is
from
vinayak.
A
F
F
Fill
in
these
rain
sliders,
based
on
how
much
the
requirement
is
for
them
to
need
a
service
mesh,
and
we
have
linked
up
this
form
with
firebase.
So
all
the
data
stored
over
here
is
basically
going
to
go
to
the
firebase,
which
I
can
quickly
show
over
here.
F
So
you
see
everything
that
gets
inputted
and
over
here
goes
to
the
firebase.
Basically,
the
next
thing
that
we
have
to
do
in
this
is
to
link
that
fire
firebase
to
a
google
sheet
or
to
some
sort
of
mailer,
so
that
we
can
provide
a
feedback
to
the
user.
F
So
this
is
one
of
the
thing
that
I've
been
working
on.
There
are
a
couple
of
things
that
we
need
to
take
care
of
in
this
page,
for
example,
this
tooltip
is
not
aligned
with
the
range
slider,
and
this
arrow
needs
a
gradient
fill.
So
if
there
is
some
sort
of
suggestion
anyone
has
regarding
the
ui
of
this
page
or
the
functionality,
it's
most
welcome.
F
The
second
thing
that
I
have
been
working
on
is
the
get
nighthawk
page
and
it's
eventually
coming
together.
We
have
a
figma
design
for
this
page
and
yes
and
chinmay.
These
two
people
have
started
contributing
on
this
project.
F
We
have
a
couple
of
issues
listed
down
in
the
gate,
nighthawk
repo,
with
the
tag
of
sight
at
the
starting.
So
if
anyone
wants
to
pick
up
a
issue
feel
free
to
do
so,
because
there
are
plenty
of
sort
of
good
first
issues
which,
which
is
good
if
someone
is
has
just
started,
contributing
to
open
source
and
the
project
basis
in
jekyll,
which
is
fairly
simple,
to
learn
like
basic
html
and
css.
F
That's
most
of
the
things
that
I
had
to
talk
about.
A
If
the
the,
when
should
I
deploy
a
service
mesh
question,
it's
extraordinary,
it's
an
extraordinarily
popular
question.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
think
there
was
a
newcomer
in
the
community
who
is
asking
a
similar
question
just
a
day
or
two
ago.
The
question
was
like
like
hey
what
why
do
I
it
wasn't
so
much.
It
is
the
same
question.
Actually
we
probably
need
to
rephrase
this
question,
which
is
his
question
was
why
should
I
use
a
service
mesh
like
you
know?
What's
he
gonna
actually
provide
me?
A
I
I
understand,
there's
a
cut
these
things,
but
like
what
else,
and
that
page
should
be
helping
answer
that
question
anyone
who's
ever
gonna
use
a
service.
Mesh
will
have
that
question,
and
so
so
we
expect
a
lot
of
people
to
interact
with
it.
A
And
it's
it's
one
of
those
nice
and
juicy
sort
of
it
depends
answers
but
yeah,
so
I'm
excited
about
it.
The
the
second
project,
the
get
nighthawk
project,
are
yosh
or
or
any
any
of
the
other
folks
who
are
focused
on
get
nighthawk
on.
I
know:
rodolfo
avashek,
auto
we're,
probably
looking
at
one
or
two
of
the
people
who've
been
focused
on
layer,
5
ng,
maybe
coming
over,
and
I'm
helping
a
bit
at
some
point,
but
okay
yeah,
the
other,
the
others
aren't
on
anyway.
A
One
other
thing
to
add
to
what
vinayak
is
saying
about
get
nighthawk
that
that
project,
one
of
the
things
that
needs
to
be
done
is
to
have
a
logo
for
the
project,
and
so
at
some
point
we'll
be
calling
for
a
vote
in
the
community
about
you
know:
here's
a
couple
designs:
what
do
you?
What
do
you
think
put
place
your
vote?
These
are
a
couple
of
the
early
designs.
A
A
Well,
we
have
a
topic
on
a
call
for
volunteers.
You
know
here's
something
that
has
been
like
nails
on
the
chalkboard
for
me,
which
is
the
mescheri's
apis.
It's
it's
rest
based
apis,
there's
some
disorganization
or
a
lot
of
disorganization
in
their
structure.
How
they're
grouped
and
there's
less
thought
given
to
those
than
there
should
be?
Probably
at
this
point,
there's
no
prior
contract
or
commitment
that
we
have
with
necessarily
with
users
just
yet
because
measures
at
a
young
version
number
so
now's.
A
A
Is
there
anyone
that's
interested
in
organizing
these
and
putting
an
opinion
on
how
they
think
the
api
endpoints
should
look
like
I'll
give
an
example.
A
Something
like
tests.
A
There's
a
number
of
these
out
here
that
there's
some
ugly
things
kind
of
like
this,
that
this
isn't
exactly
what's
out
there,
but
there's
things
like
this:
where
we'll
have
the
same
noun
like
a
performance
test
and
it'll,
be
we'll
have
two
different
endpoints
one
with
an
s
on
the
end
of
it
and
one
without
and
there's
just
it's
time
for
cleanup.
A
Does
this
interest
anyone
this
is,
you
would
need
to
be
able
to
read
golang,
you
don't
have
to
necessarily
write
golang.
This
is
more
about
architecture,
design,
more
about
being
or
being
able
to
organize
and
reason
over
the
apis.
A
See
me
if
you're
interested
or
see
one
of
the
other
maintainers
if
you're
interested
good
deal
hey
next
week.
So
I
I
was
intending
to
have
jim
beguardia.
A
A
Well
because,
eventually,
we'll
have
a
workflow
engine
and
a
policy
engine
inside
of
meshri,
and
we
should
do
some
diligence
about
you
know
what
those
technologies
are
available
and
which
ones
we
should
look
to
use
and
which
communities
we
should
look
to
partner
with,
and
so
caverno
is
one
of
those
another.
One
is
the
open
policy
agent
or
oppa.
A
I
won't
write
opa
here,
just
not
to
upset
jim.
I
mean
we'll
be
very
open
with
him
about
the
fact
that
we're
evaluating
and
but
okay,
so
that's
coming
up
next
week.
A
When
you
look
at
this
diagram
altogether,
it's
kind
of
a
lot
if
you
were
to
this
is
the
way
that
I
would
look
at
this
slide.
If
I
were
you
we're
saying
it,
you
know,
measuring
is
a
service
mesh
management
plan,
and
these
are
the
these
are
the
big.
These
are
the
large
components.
These
are
the
large
pieces
of
portions
of
functionality,
and
that
would
be
in
that
management
plane
that
would
be
inside
of
meshri.
A
We
do
a
lot
of
talking
about
mastery,
ctl,
a
client,
messagery
server,
meshrey's,
load,
generators
measures,
adapters,
a
lot
of
those
are
sort
of
represented
here
about
doing
multi-mesh
life
cycle
management.
That's
a
whole
mouthful.
What
I
just
said-
and
if
that's
only
represented
here-
oh
my
goodness,
there's
a
lot
more
to
do.
That's
true.
We
were
talking
about
cloud
native
day
rust
a
moment
ago
in
cloud
native
day,
wassum
earlier
in
this
call,
our
efforts
in
that
space
are
represented
here,
with
rust,
based
or
c
plus,
plus
paste
on
void
filters.
A
A
lot
of
things.
I
won't
talk
about
all
the
things
we're
going
to
do
there,
but
anyway,
point
is:
there's
a
lot
of
things
to
orchestrate
and
to
schedule
and
to
yeah.
I
guess
I'll,
just
use
the
word
orchestrate
again
but
to
pump
through
a
workflow
engine,
so
we'll
need
to
identify
a
good
workflow
engine
and
put
one
in
so
the
same
thing
goes
for
a
policy
engine,
so
caverno
is
one
of
those
as
a
policy
engine
and
so
is
a
open
policy
agent
and
so
are
there's
other
choices
out.
C
A
But
anyway,
this
slide
gives
you
context
for
why
we're
talking
about
a
policy
engine
and
why
also
at
sort
of
in
the
same
vein
we're
talking
about
a
workflow
engine
and
evaluating
those
there's
a
deck,
a
separate
deck
that
it
contains.
The
some
analysis
for
a
workflow
engine
and
the
policy
engine.
There's
been
a
couple
of
calls
for
participation
and
that's,
I
guess,
kind
of
what
I'm
doing
now.
I'm
also
just
announcing
that,
hopefully,
jim
will
join
us
and
speak
with
us.
A
If
you
don't
jim's,
an
old
friend
of
mine
used
to
deliver
my
product
at
cisco
and
he's
gone
off
and
founded
his
own
company
some
time
ago,
called
nermata.
So
they
have
a
cloud
management.
A
An
item
that
I
sort
of
skipped
over
that
wasn't
highlighted
here
is
as
carson's
walking
through
the
patterns
which
are,
by
the
way,
just
extraordinarily
exciting,
that
part
of
the
technology
that's
being
used
to
facilitate
those
patterns
and
to
do
a
bunch
of
json
things
is
a
specif,
an
open
specification
called
open
application
model
or
ohm.
A
So
I
bring
this
up
because
we
were
talking
about
partnering
with
other
communities
or
partnering,
with
other
open
source
projects
to
accomplish
a
larger
mission
and
there's
an
example
of
I
mean,
there's
an
example
of
doing
so
with
each
of
the
service
mesh
projects,
and
we
do
a
lot
of
that.
But
here's
another
up
and
coming
example,
we've.
A
So
so,
there's
more
for
us
to
do
with
this
community
in
specific
some
code
for
us
to
exchange
some
presentations
and
webinars
and
other
you
know
other
things
to
do
so.
A
The
there's
a
couple
of
individuals,
a
couple
of
maintainers
in
this
community
ryan
zhang
and
lee
zhang-
have
been
really
warm
and
welcoming
just
very,
very
nice
to
interact
with
those
guys
they
have
a
bi-weekly
community
call.
So
every
couple
of
weeks
it's
it's
open
as
well.
I
mean
if
people
want
to
understand
this
spec,
like
that's
a
good
place,
to
go
fair
warning,
specs
themselves
kind
of
like
our
service
mesh
performance
service,
mesh
performance,
spec,
smp
specs
are
kind
of
dry.
A
So,
okay,
one
last
item
for
me,
and
that
is
that
I
don't
know
how
many
I
don't
know
that
bart
kolansky
has
been
on
this
call
before,
and
I
don't
think
he's
on
today,
because
I
didn't
give
him
warning
but
there's
an
item
that
he's
raised
his
hand
to
to
take
on
and
it's
a
configuration
wizard
a
multi-step
configuration
wizard
to
be
created
in
mesherie.
A
I
don't
think
in
the
project,
but
that's
app,
but
that's
absolutely
what's
happening,
and
you
know
you
see
those
little
ui
chips
that
you
you
can
click
on
and
measure
that
will
test
the
connection
to
your
kubernetes
cluster,
to
your
mesh
readapters
to
your
graphrana
and
prometheus
instances.
Well,
people's
deployments
are
fairly
diverse
and
we
can
make
some
opinionated
decisions
that
are
probably
80
percent
of
the
time
accurate
about
how
it
is
that
people
have
deployed
their
infrastructure
and
how
they
want
for
measuring
to
be
used.
A
Oh,
it's
bad
sorry,
there's
tree
branches
breaking
outside
and
so
having
a
configuration
wizard.
You
know
like
when
you
install
software
and
you
go
through
this
next
next
next
you're
sort
of
answering
some
questions
kind
of
like
that.
It's
not!
We
don't
need
to
do
that
for
how
to
install
mesh
re
like
that's
already
being
taken
care
of
in
measuring
ctl,
but
once
meshri
and
the
ui
is
up
and
it
meshry
has
discovered
any
number
of
things
in
your
environment.
A
So
so,
we'll
there'll
be
a
design
spec
that
will
be
created
and
linked
and
the
the
dock
hasn't
been
created.
Yet
so
anyone
that
is
interested
this
will
be
a
react-based
thing,
come
and
participate.
You
can
either
participate
in
how
what
those
steps
should
be
here
or
whatever
anything
else
from
people
today.
A
It's
black,
it's
blank
black
yep
there.
It
is.
E
Yeah,
so
I
don't
think
like
there
are
any
sections
or
any
pages
to
left
for
the
implementation
for
the
website,
and
it's
like
this
they're
just
working
on
bug
fixes
currently
for
all
the
pages
so
like.
If
you
can
see
on
this
milestone
page,
there
is
no
issue
left
apart
from
this
tracking
to
get
a
period.
A
E
So
as
we
as
I
was
talking,
the
we
don't
have
any
issues
apart
from
the
bug
fixes,
as
you
can
see
in
the
milestone
here,
and
so
you
all
can
just
have
a
visit
visit
our
website
new
website.
It
is
on
layer
for
ng.net.
If
I
do
type-
and
let
us
know
if
there
are
any
issues
that
we
can
work
upon
like
here,
I
can
find
the
names
are
not
present
currently
for
the
istio
and
image
of
so
like.
E
If
you
find
any
of
these
similar
issues,
then
you
can
just
point
it
out
in
websites
channel
or
create
an
issue
on
the
layer
file
repo
and
we
can
just
fix
it
out
before
we
go
live
for
this
website.
Also,
I
just
wanted
to
ask
lee
the
chin
may
want
had
a
doubt
regarding
this
section.
So
like
can
you
just
clarify
what
you
exactly
asked
him
to
do
so.
A
Yeah
well,
this
section
here
highlights:
where
lay
five,
where
the
works
of
the
community
has
been
in
the
news
and
one
one
will
take
off
the
headline
the.
E
Then
I'll
just
talk
to
them
regarding
this
so
yeah,
so
I
think
all
the
other
pages
are.
This
is
the
measuring
page.
A
Now,
nice,
it
represents
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
people's
work.
It's
a
good
time
to.
We
are
apparently
we're
we're
three
percent
away
from
going
live
and
so
good
time
to
go
check
it
out,
make
sure
that
your
work
is
well
represented.
I
ca
I
gotta
tell
you
like
I'll,
be
honest.
A
I
it
always
irked
me
when,
as
an
engineer
when
I
worked,
my
my
high
knee
off
and
some
outbound
product
manager
did
a
piss
poor
job
of
representing
my
hard
work
or
they
it
looked
like
they
were
taking
the
glory
for
that
work.
That
is
not
what
we
do
here.
Neither
of
those
two
things.
So
I
encourage
you
to
get
form
an
opinion.
Go
take
a
look
at
the
site
form
and
opinion
and
make
sure
that
it's
speaking
to
what
you've
done.
A
A
Thank
you
all
see
you
all
later
talk
to
you.