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B
C
C
I
think
there's
a
little
bit
of
an
addiction
problem
in
my
my
lineage,
my
it's
in
my
genes.
Probably
so
it's
been
trying
to
find
the
right
addictions.
C
C
C
Yep
no
pressure,
but
if
you
don't
turn
on
your
webcam,
I'm
gonna
be
offended
all
of
you.
Oh
nice,
okay
wow!
That
worked.
That
was
good.
Oh,
very
good!
All
right!
That's
all!
Right!
Okay,
it's
happening!
Okay!
Look
at
that!
Do
we
got
the
momentum
going.
We
got
that
this
is.
This
is
a
record.
I
think
this
is
okay.
Okay,
we've
got
a
piece,
it's.
C
You
know,
we've
got
a
couple
of
holdouts,
we
got.
You
know,
they're
shy,
they're,
shy.
E
C
If
you
just
start
to
call
them
out
by
name
they'll,
slowly,
they'll
slowly
reach
for
that
webcam
button,
abhashak
is
he's
a
he's
quiet.
He
he's
quiet.
He
doesn't
like
turn
on
his
webcam.
C
C
We
get
all
of
we
get
all
of
these
bad
jokes
out
of
the
way
up
front
and
and
we're
good
for
another
50
minutes.
So
a
lot
of
things,
a
lot
of
things
going
on.
C
A
lot
a
lot
of
things
going
on
some
really
exciting
things,
there's
a
number
of
people,
a
number
of
you
here
I
say
people
and
I'm
talking
to
you
that
I
think
it
was
like
twice
this
week.
I
think
it
was
once
last
week
once
this
week.
I
just
about
came
out
of
my
seat,
some
of
the
things
that
a
few
of
you
are
doing,
like
they're,
really
impressive
and
then
there's
a
number
of
things.
The
rest
of
you
are
doing
that.
C
Are
that
don't
make
me
come
out
of
my
feet,
but
certainly
make
me
smile
and
just
anyway,
I'm
hoping
that
it's
making
each
of
you
smile
as
well.
So
since
I
have
the
mic
here,
I
get
to
talk
about
how
it
makes
me
feel,
but
in
a
lot
of
respects,
that's
sort
of
inconsequential.
C
Okay,
well,
hey
I'll,
be
I'll,
be
your
host
today
we're
going
to
go
through
kind
of
some
usual
announcements
and
and
we're
going
to
get
in
some
to
some
topics
and
hear
from
everyone
else.
If
you're
on
the
call
and
don't
have
your
name
in
this
list,
that
means
that
you're
actually
that
that
it
doesn't
count
that
you're
not
on
the
call
so
so
give
yourself
credit
slap,
your
name
in
there.
C
Oh
we've
got
a
few
newcomers
that
have
joined
since
last
time
that
we
had
our
community
call
and
I
ran
out
of
time
to
write
all
their
names
down.
Is
anyone
a
newcomer
on
the
call
today.
C
C
Oh
any
formalities
and
get
into
it,
which
is
first
up.
Is
that
what
we've
got
a
couple
of
individuals?
Who've
been
in
the
community
for
a
long
time-
and
I
know
that
all
of
you
know
these
two
individuals,
mr
jane
and
miss
chandra,
both
of
whom
essentially
graduated
this
week.
If
you
will
so
so
I'll,
say
a
few
words
about
that,
I
think
one
is
I'll
talk
about
how
cool
each
of
them
look
inside
of
their
contributor
card,
so
they're
looking
pretty
hip
to
awning
rude
every
time.
C
I
look
into
your
every.
I
think,
that's
a
refrigerator
behind
you,
but
I
gotta
say
like
at
first
glance.
Every
time
it
looks
like
you're
sitting
in
a
server
room,
it
looks
like
a
server
rack
behind
you,
which
is
just
it
just
looks
like
you've,
got
horsepower
just
hanging
out
back
there
so
anyway,
I
just
well
like
almost
to
the
day.
Has
he
hit
a
successful
four
months
of
moving
around
a
couple
of
different
components
within
well
within
measuring?
C
Overall
I'm
pausing
for
a
moment
just
because
honey
rood
you've
been
around
so
long,
I'm
trying
to
remember
if
yeah,
so
it
was
kind
of
a
headlong
focus
mesh
map,
oriented
things,
some
kubernetes
centric
things
getting
getting
into
cube,
client
or
the
cube
go
client
getting
into
a
little
bit
of
something
that
we're
still
yet
hopeful
for.
C
I
don't
know
that
it's
really
been
discussed
more
broadly,
not
that
it's
a
secret,
but
I
really
you
you
want
to
say
a
word
about
well,
the
in
browser
terminal,
part
of
what
you'd
been
not
the
logs,
but
the
other
one,
the
the
more
the
interactive.
F
Sure
so,
initially,
or
at
least
during
my
second
month
of
internship,
us
looking
into
how
we
could
create
an
entire
interface
on
how
you
could
control
every
aspect
of
a
service
mesh,
including
its
containers
and
parts
through
the
cli,
the
integrated
cli
that
we
could
have
in
the
on
the
ui's
end.
There
are
a
few
examples
here
as
asthma
or
you
could
say,
even
docker,
dashboard,
kubernetes
dashboard.
F
These
have
that
feature
which
we
can,
if
like,
if
you're
able
to
replicate
that
you
would
be
able
to
control
the
mesh
as
well
as
control
the
entire
kubernetes
infrastructure.
C
And
it's
yeah,
and
still
it's
still
there,
it's
still
the
the
since
we're
digressing
and
talking
about
this
particular
feature,
which
hopefully,
everyone
has
a
sense
of.
If
you
pull
up
measure
ui.
C
If
you
go
to
manage
a
mesh,
manage
a
service
that
the
concept
being
that
you'd
be
able
to
shell
into
it,
be
able
to
open
a
terminal
in
your
browser
and
be
sitting
inside
that
container
be
able
to
take
a
look
at
and
that
we
would
provide
kind
of
convenient
tools
for
oh
taking
a
look
at
envoy,
logs
kubernetes
logs,
doing
service
mesh
centric
things
a
lot
of
times.
People
are
trying
to
troubleshoot.
C
What's
going
on
with
why
they
think
they've
got
the
mesh
configured
to
allow
traffic
to
go
here
or
to
redirect
there
and
why
it's
not
happening,
and
so
some
of
the
the
troubleshooting
procedures
involve
getting.
You
know
going
inside
getting
hands-on
inside
the
proxy
one
I'll
say
this,
and
let
people
ponder
it
and
reflect
on
it.
Is
that
one.
C
Well,
ad
hoc
systems,
management
or
encourage
it.
It
facilitates
for
not
necessarily
treating
your
infrastructure
as
code,
so
so
sort
of
non-git,
ops,
things,
meaning
someone
might
go,
do
some
troubleshooting
in
prod
trying
to
fix
an
issue.
They
correct
it
and
whatever
that
correction
is
or
whatever
the
thing
that
they
did
is
a
one-off
and
the
next
and
then
they're
not
controlling
their
infrastructure.
C
C
So
anyway
turns
out
that
wasn't
really
the
the
focus
of
honor.
It's
you
know,
internship.
I
don't
know
why
we're
talking
about
it.
This
long,
I
mean
most
of
you
have
been
familiar
with
how
honey
root
has
been
bringing
focusing
on
measuring
ctl
and
encouraging
others
to
get
involved,
bringing
forth
a
new
command
context.
C
Cool
good
and
then
everyone's
familiar
with
with
sriti
chandra
as
well.
I
don't
know
that
she's
on
today,
but
she
is.
C
Culminating
her
time
as
a
community
manager,
so
she's
physically
moving
back
to
school,
doing
some
exams
these
last
couple
of
weeks
and
and
if
I,
if
memory
serves,
I
think
this
is
she's-
got
she's
got
quite
a
few
more
years
of
school
left,
so
she's
taking
some
good
experiences
with
her.
C
C
An
indelible
mark,
or
some
of
the
things
you've
done,
can't
be
taken
away
or
just
like
that
there
it's
kind
of
a
permanent
handprint
in
the
in
the
sidewalk
cement
of
of
mashri,
which
is
pretty
cool.
C
Okay,
well,
I
guess
that's!
That's
all
the
announcements,
let's
get
into
our
first
topic.
Mr
patel,
are
you
with
us.
C
G
More
accurately
persisting
the
results
which
you
have
for
smi
conformance
in
the
cloud.
That's
what
I'm
going
to
show.
So
I
have
my
local
cloud
running.
Let
me
just
log
in.
H
C
C
C
And,
while
that's
been
worked
on
for
some
time,
what
hasn't
landed
just
yet
or
is
the
support
for
persisting
the
test
results
of
those
conformance
tests
and
then
allowing
users
to
you
know
turn
off
measuring,
come
back
sign
back
in
and
retrieve
those
persistent
results.
So.
G
C
B
C
C
Next
topic,
mr
kumar,
is,
are
we
up?
Are
we
on
this
today
or
is
this
a
next
week
thing.
I
It's
not
fully
done
yet
just
the
ui
part,
so
yeah,
so
I
can
demo
with
the
graphical
playground
that
we
have
right
now
with
queries.
Okay,
if
that's
okay,
so.
C
Yeah,
maybe
we'll
save
it
for
effect
or
for,
like
a
complete
sure,
for
everyone's
complete
understanding.
I
think
you
know
the,
which
is
good,
like
the
thing
that
we
want
to
that.
Hopefully,
everyone
will
take
away.
Is
that
what?
What
is
that
measuring?
C
V050
extensibility
has
been
a
big
feature
thing
in
in
that
in
this
upcoming
release
and
and
people
can
take
care,
take
advantage
of
that
extensibility
in
a
couple
different
ways,
and
so
this
particular
demo
is
that
particular
piece
of
work
that
abhishek
will
show
next
week
is
is
impressive
in
terms
of
how
to
dynamically
insert
new
golang
capabilities
on
the
fly,
as
well
as
react
based
capabilities
on
the
fly.
C
C
Okay,
she
must
not
be
because
yep
no
she's,
not
all
right,
so
good,
so
we'll
circle
back
to
ruth
all
right.
This
is
strike
strike
three
we
might
be
out
at
this
point.
C
Do
you
know,
do
you
wanna?
So
so
I
get
so.
I
think
three
strikes
being
out,
I'm
losing
my
train
of
thought.
Vanayk
is
going
to
talk
about
get
nighthawk.
We
talked
about
get
nighthawk
as
a
project
a
few
times
now.
C
I
know
that
my
hunch
is
that
many
of
us
aren't
necessarily
quite
clear
on
all
of
what
is
sort
of
involved
in
get
nighthawk
and
we're
not
going
to
go
over
that
now,
because
some
of
us
are
really
clear
on
it
and
I
don't
want
to
bore
everybody,
there's
a
link
to
the
project
description
and
it's
its
goals
and
its
vision.
A
The
google
doc
contains
all
the
details
about
this
project
and,
if,
like
we
go
to
the
ninth
page,
we
have
like
divided
the
whole
website
into
a
few
different
sections,
and
I've
left
a
square
bracket
in
front
of
the
section
which
can
be
worked
on
by
any
of
the
contributors.
So
it
is
open
for
contributions
and
the
subsections
which
are
marked
with
the
orange
color
are
currently
waiting
for
a
design
implementation.
A
Also,
the
project
has
been
initialized
with
the
theme
of
mystery.io
and
we
will
be
using
it
as
a
starting
point.
C
Good
of
the
yeah
picture
says
a
thousand
words,
I
guess
so
of
the
mock-ups
that
are
here
and
the
link
to
those
mock-ups.
This
is
the
same
figma
project
that
the
layer
5g
site
is
being
designed
in
as
well
as
some
of
the
a
few
other
things.
C
Everyone
should
be
able
to
get
to
the
link
just
anonymously.
C
If
you'd
like
to
make
comments
or
if
you'd
like
to
you,
know,
click
and
drag
and
move
some
things
around,
just
just
signal,
so
yeah,
that's
figma
the
to
reinforce
what
vinayak
had
said
is
that
well,
it
is
to
just
briefly
describe
the
fact
that
that,
as
stated,
this
particular
project
is
relatively
concise
in
nature,
like
the
vision
and
the
goals
it's
to
create
some
distributions
of
the
load
balancer,
I'm
sorry
the
load
generator
nighthawk
and
make
it
easy
for
people
to
get
get
nighthawk.
Hence
the
name
nighthawk
as
a
project.
C
It
doesn't
have
its
own
website
and
so
or
docs,
and
so
in
a
lot
of
respects,
this
will
probably
become
kind
of
the
the
nighthawk
project.
Page.
C
There
are
a
number
of
related
performance
related
initiatives
around
getting
around
nighthawk
service
mesh
performance,
the
smp
spec
that
I
owe
and
get
nighthawk,
and
they
all
kind
of
and
mesherie
itself,
and
they
all
kind
of
tie
together.
C
C
You'll
have
to
hold
on
to
your
hair
that
yeah
they'll
be
they'll,
be
for
well,
finally,
and
probably
for
the
first
time
a
little
bit
of
data
science
coming
through
here,
which
will
be
nice
and
we're
gonna
go
grab.
Some
we're
gonna
go
grab
some
phds
other
than
michael.
C
And
I'm
trying
to
just
I'm
trying
to
embarrass
everyone
that
I
can
today
so
anyway,
point
is
sorry,
sorry
to
be
long-winded
and
your
point
was
vinayak
is
so
austin
has
done
the
designs
they're,
looking
fantastic
vinayak
has
stepped
forward
significantly
to
help
just
get
this
site
implemented
pratya
or
neil
pratya
banerjee.
Neil
was
gonna.
Take
this
on
before
and
he's
just
been.
He
stepped
away
from
the
community
for
a
while
and
in
the
meantime
we
need
to
move
forth.
C
This
is
an
opportunity,
for
others,
other
than
just
fanayak,
to
make
an
impact
and
create
part
of
the
site,
and
so
vanita
has
broken
it
down
into
different
sections.
If
you're
in,
if
you're
at
all
interested,
I
think
the
the
ask
here
is
just
sort
of
familiarize
with
the
general
site
structure.
It's
hopefully
self-explanatory
or
it
becomes
much
more
explanatory
when
you
go
over
and
look
at
the
designs,
so
go.
Go.
Look
at
the
designs,
see
if
there's
a
section
in
there
that
you
think
you'd
like
to
try
your
hand
at
slap.
C
This
is
a
low,
low
pressure
way
of
working
on
your
css
skills.
If
anybody
wants
to
right
now,
like
vaniac
was
saying
that
there's
a
domain
that's
been
registered,
it's
get
nighthawk.dev.
J
C
Protea
had
put
together
some
original
or
had
originally
put
together
a
couple
of
designs,
heavily
influenced
from
stripe.com.
Stripe.Com
is
well
known
for
having
some
pretty
you
know,
hip
designs,
and
so
he
he'd
done
that
help
pull
it
in.
So
we
can
use
it
as
a
starter
and
which
is
good.
C
That's
probably
all
all
that
there
is
to
say
so
vanilla
can
anything
else
that
people
should
be
paying
attention
to
or
look
at
some
tasks
down
here.
There's
some
ci
workflow
tasks
about
actually
building
nighthawk
this.
This
is
like
the
the
project
site
is
fantastic
and,
and
we
need
to
represent
the
project
and
that
will
help
get
nighthawk
into
people's
hands
and
then
sort
of
the
me.
The
the
other
significant
chunk
of
work
to
the
project
is
it's
about
github
actions
and
building
nighthawks.
J
C
Oh
all
right:
are
we
ready
to
circle
back?
I
think
ruth
is
probably
charging
your
battery
so
we'll
go
back
up
to
dhruv.
C
I
think
we
we
lost
dhruv
as
well,
which
makes
some
sense.
He
if
I
were
him,
I
might
have
rebooted
my
machine
to
clear
up
some
of
the
issues
he
was
seeing.
C
Okay,
cool.
Well,
then
that
leaves
us
with
well
ruth
had
two
topics
and
I
don't
want
to
steal
her
thunder,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
she
wants
to
get
these
suggestions
in
in
out.
So
she
has
two
items
that
she
wanted
to
bring
up.
C
One
is
that
you
know
everyone
here
understands
that
that
we
participate
in
a
few
different,
open
source
programs,
so
google
season
of
docs
google
summer
of
code,
the
linux
foundation's
lfx
or
the
community
bridge
been
in
contact
with
the
mlh
folks
and
ruth,
and
a
couple
of
others
have.
You
know,
suggested
in
the
past
that
we
participate
in
how
outreachy
and
she
code
chico
africa.
C
So
ruth
was
going
to
that
was
going
to
say,
hey
she
caught
africa
has
rece
has,
and
you
know,
and
anita
anita
might
be
familiar
with
this
particular
program,
but
they
but
we're
twitter
friends
with
them,
and
they
were
tagging
us
and
sort
of
asking
if
we
want
to
go,
participate
in
being
in
their
program
and
ruth
wanted
to
introduce
this.
C
She
wanted
to
brainstorm
a
couple
of
ideas
about
where
we
might
be
able
to
ask
for
participation
and
so
to
describe
some
of
the
projects
that
that
we
might
solicit
mentees
or
participants
to
come
over
and
assist
with.
So
one
of
those
you
know
an
example
being
get
nighthawk
also
for
potential
participation
from
those
in
the
community.
That
would
like
to
mentor
there's
details
about
the
program
here
and
you
can
get.
You
know
some
of
the.
If
you're
considering
mentoring,
there's
some
descriptions
about
what's
involved
and
see
ruth
anita
anita.
C
How
familiar
are
you
with
chico
africa.
H
Well,
yeah,
it's
a
really
amazing
organization
and
yeah.
They
focused
on
females
in
africa
and
then
getting
them
involved
into
on
the
open
source
as
well,
and
they
do
a
great
job
when
it
comes
to
like
getting
ladies
into
tech,
I
mean
I
was
one
of
the
persons
that
actually
benefited
from
that
open
source
training.
C
Oh,
that's!
Oh
nice.
That's
awesome!
Yeah!
I
didn't
I
didn't
realize
that
is
on
as
well
and
so
caliche.
I
don't
know
if
you've
have
familiarity
here
or
not.
K
Yeah,
I
I
also
got
to
know
about
leia
five
from
the
community
from
chico
africa
during
the
open
source
project.
It's
a
very
good
community
focused
on
women,
just
as
amanita
said.
So,
if
we'll
be
part
of
the
community
like
contributing
to
the
progress
of
the
women
in
africa
through
the
community,
like
a
partnership,
it's
a
very
great
idea.
K
So
I
look.
I
look
forward
to
seeing
what
we
can
achieve
on
that.
C
C
We
should
participate,
but
then,
when
you
consider
that
anita
and
kaleigh
both
have
learned
about
layer
five
through
here,
like
oh
yeah,
for
sure
for
sure
we
is-
we
have
to
do
this-
I
mean
if
people,
if
people
like
the
two
of
you
are
gonna,
come
in
through
this
program
like
that's,
even
that's
like
cream
on
the
top.
So
that's
something.
C
So
arnie
rude
asks
a
good
question
about
sort
of
brainstorming
over
potential
projects
to
highlight
and
anita
and
kalacha
you
guys
might
know,
or
are
you
guys?
No,
you
gals
know
better
than
than
I
do
my
my
impression.
My
understanding
is
that
that,
as
a
general
constituency
of
participants
like
the
the
tech
that
they
are,
the
technology
projects
that
tend
to
be
focused
on
here,
do
they
tend
to
be,
or
let
me
not
lead
the
question
and
just
ask
what
do
those
tend
to
be?
C
H
H
C
Makes
a
ton
of
sense
part
of
that
outside
of
the
technology.
Part
of
part
of
it
is
about
getting
introduced
to
open
source
communities
in
general,
getting
used
to
git
and
pull
requests
and
commit
signing,
and,
thank
you
know,
and
things
like
like
tutorials,
that
michael
had
put
together
about
how
to
what
what
is
jekyll
and
how
do
I
install
it,
and
how
do
I
yeah
and
so
on?
You
rude
them.
C
I
think
that
therein
probably
lies
the
answer
to
your
suggestion,
so
very
good,
very
good,
very
good.
C
Okay,
so
guess
what
vaniac.
C
That'll
be
that'll,
be
good,
it
would
be
nice
as
well
as
so
so
the
second,
so
the
other
thing
that
ruth
was
going
to
ask
for
here
is
if
people
are
interested
in
mentoring.
Please
please,
you
know
raise
your
hand
to
please
you
know,
hit
up
keleche,
anita,
ruth
and
they'll.
Give
you
a
little
bit
of
a
better
description
about
what
that
potentially
involves
and,
for
my
part,
just
sort
of
being
ignorant
of
the
specifics.
C
I
would
say
with
extremely
high
confidence
that
it's
about
the
same
thing
that
we
already
always
do
that
most
of
you
already
always
do,
which
is
there,
are
issues
out
there
and
kind
of
description
of
various
pieces
of
work.
Sometimes
they're
super
small,
sometimes
it's
more
like
well
like
a
get
nighthawk
project
and
where
it
starts
to
get
broken
down.
It's
a
bigger
thing,
but
it
gets
broken
down
into
to
more
bite-sized
goal.
C
You
know
tasks,
and
it's
about
you
know
answering
questions
and
and
spending
some
time
getting
to
know
a
couple
of
folks
learning
as
you
teach
them
growing
with
them.
C
It's
certain
really
core
to
what
clearly
core
to
what
we
do
here.
I
would
be
shoving
my
hand
in
the
air
pretty
quick
if
it
weren't,
for
the
fact
that
that
my
plate
over
spills
that
I
like,
but
but
that
shouldn't
stop
us,
nor
should
it
stop
us
from
participating
in
outreachy
like
there's,
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
you
that
are
here
and-
and
I
very
much
so
I
mean
it
when
I
say
that
you
will
learn
a
lot
through
teaching
others
through
helping
others
is
the
right
thing
to
do.
C
It
comes
back
in
spades.
Last
time
we
met
on
wednesday.
Sako
was
on
the
call
I
haven't
sacos.
Most
of
you
don't
know.
I
haven't
talked
to
him
in
a
long
time,
use
our
first
google
summer
of
code
intern
and
guess
what
he
just
landed:
a
new
logo
on
the
masrita
io
site.
So
if
you
look
at
who's
a
you
know,
people
who've
publicly
adopted.
C
Measuring
there's
a
new
one
metabolic,
thank
you.
Sako
turns
out
a
little
bit
of
paying
it
forward
pay.
You
know
this
isn't
the
only
place
where
it
pay
off
pays
off,
but
but
just
as
a
relevant
and
recent
example
cool
the
other
yep
so
outreachy
and
she
code
africa,
but
but
for
sure
I
think
we
want
to
go.
Do
shikoh
africa
right
so
to
speak.
C
So
the
second
thing
that
ruth
wanted
to
call
out
she'd
have
I
had
a
thought
a
little
while
ago
and
she'd
suggested
that
hey
perhaps
that
there
be
a
community
handbook,
I
think
I
think
ruth
was
sort
of
brainstorming
this
out
loud
a
little
bit.
It
was
an
acknowledgment
that
we've
created.
You
know
a
welcome
guide.
We've
created
a
newcomers
guide,
we've
also
created
a
first-timer's
guide
and
and
then
we
have
community
member
profiles
and
we
have
some
new
conventions.
C
Things
like
turning
on
your
webcams
on
meetings
and,
like
you
know,
various
things
that
we
do
that,
my
goodness,
maybe
that
should
be
kind
of
collected
into
you
know
it
should
be
put
together
as
a
collection
of
things.
A
lot
of
that
info
is
in
google
docs,
that's
that's
fine,
but
it
could
also
be
extracted,
and
you
know
a
bit
more
organized
onto
the
layer.
C
Five
io
community
section
community
site
like,
and
so
she
wanted
to
make
a
call
out
for
feedback
on
her
thinking
around
this
topic,
and
I
think
she
sort
of
put
together
a
few
draft
ideas.
C
C
You
know
everything
that's
under
the
community
section,
so
please
give
this
some
thought
give
ruth
some
feedback.
I
think
she's
she's,
gung-ho
too.
I
think
initially
she
was
considering
that
maybe
she
would
take
something
like
get
get
book
and
put
together
a
handbook
there.
That's
a
good
idea.
An
even
better
idea
is
to
pile
on
top
of
the
investment
that
we
have
in
on
the
community
on
in
the
community
pages
on
layer,
5
ng,
and
I
think
she
agrees,
and
so.
C
So
think
about
that,
please,
please
add
some
comments.
Some
support
her
as
she
thinks
through
this
and
it's
I
keep
saying
she
and
ruth
and
ruth,
but
I
expect
pretty
quickly
it's
it's
not
just
ruth
that
we're
talking
about
that
there's
a
number
of
the
rest
of
you
that
are
here
too.
C
G
Oh
really,
I
don't
have
a
comment
on
this,
but
apparently
twitter
seems
to
be
down
for
some
reasons
in
india.
That's
why
remote
persistence
would
be.
I
won't
be
able
to
demo
it
because
of
that
seems
like
my
internet
provider
is
against
me
today.
C
C
Yeah,
whose
law
is
that
somebody's
law,
if
it
can
go
wrong,
it'll,
go
wrong?
What's
the.
C
Forget
a
couple
things
couple
things
that
I
want
to
talk
about:
one
is
keyshot,
yeah
kishore
is
still
on
good.
I
know
I
was
ki
sure
I
was
calling
you
out
earlier,
just
because
I
am
excited
that
you're
back.
I
think
you'd
done
some
great
work
on
layer,
5
ng.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
others
we've
made
use
of
your
workshops,
grid
system
or
card
system.
C
I
think
in
another
area,
and
so
we
should
talk
about
learn.layer5.io,
some
interesting
things
to
do
there.
Let's
not
talk
about
that
now.
Let's
talk
about
what
we're
going
to
talk
about
next
week.
Anybody
anybody
familiar
with
caverno
ki
verno.
C
Some
of
us
are
including
myself
just
by
just
by
being
able
to
say
yes,
I've
heard
that
name
before,
but
and
that's
about
as
far
as
it
goes.
So
if
you
are
familiar
with
or
have
heard
of
oppa
open
policy
agent
openpolicyagent.org,
oh
service
mesh
sexy,
these
two
are
pretty
similar
projects,
similar
in
capabilities
similar
in
vision
and
what
they're
trying
to
accomplish
they're.
C
Both
police
they're,
both
policy
engines,
they're
both
sort
of
cloud
native
policy
engines,
they're,
both
sort
of
kubernetes,
focused
policy
engines,
and
you
can
imagine
like
when
you're
running,
kubernetes
and
workloads
and
applications
and
you've
got
team
teams
and
teams
of
people
who's
authorized
to
do
what
in
the
software
in
the
system
it's
pretty
important
and
it
gets
pretty
granular,
and
it's
really
like
you
can
use
a
policy
engine
as
a
generic
capability
to
do
evaluations,
evaluations
of
what
of
anything
like
you
can
ask
a
generic
policy
engine
all
kinds
of
questions.
C
Is
it
friday
at
10
46
a.m
in
norway?
No
is
it
that
time
in
the
u.s?
Yes,
anyway,
point
is
they
took
the
a
policy
engine
and
they
took
a
dsl,
a
domain
specific
language
rigo,
which
is
not
a
not
a
new
language
and
they've
applied
it
to
they've
created
a
policy
engine.
They
oppa
this
project
and
the
use
cases
that
they've
focused
on
are
around
not
around
figuring
out
what
time
it
is
in
a
given
time
zone,
but
around
figuring
out
authorization
all
around
authorization,
questions,
authorization,
evaluation,
questions.
C
Now
you
can
still
use
opa
to
evaluate
other
things
other
than
just
off
off
z,
well,
authorization
question
policies,
but
because
their
focus
is
so
much
on
authorization
like
it's
a
lot
easier
to
sort
of
use
it
for
those
things.
C
Why
are
we
talking
about
this
because
well,
as
people
go
to
get
more
serious
about
the
use
of
measuring
and
it
becomes
more
and
more
capable,
more
and
more
stable
and
more
and
more
people
go
to
learn
about
it?
That
they
too
will
want
to
have
different
users
performing
different
actions
in
measuring
mastery
will
ultimately
need
an
authorization
system
for
who
can
do
what
within
meshri
that's
one
thing
that
meshrey
will
need
a
policy
engine
for
mastery
will
also
need
a
policy
engine
for.
C
Things
like
evaluating
whether
or
not
your
service
mesh
is
running
in
accordance
with
best
practices
or
whether
or
not
a
pattern
or
a
desired
behavior
that
you're
you've
intended
for
your.
Whether
or
not
your
service
mesh
is
behaving
in
a
way
in
which
you
intend
for
it
to
and
to
do
evaluations
continuously.
C
C
You
can
ask
the
policy
engine,
you
know
it
can
consider
the
policy
engine
could
consider
a
few
different
data
sources
and
do
a
quick
evaluation
and
hand
back
a
yes
or
no.
Maybe
it's
not
just
rate
limiting.
Maybe
it's
is
it
time
to
break
this
circuit
like
disconnect
the
network?
Don't
allow
any
more
traffic
policy
engines
are
for
that.
So
kiverno
is,
you
know
a
competitive
or
you
know
it
falls
in
the
same
category
of
projects.
It
is
just
landed
into
the
cncf
sandbox
this
last
month.
C
It's
focused
towards
similar
use
cases,
although
I'm
you
know
part
of
my
language
about
you
know,
I'm
bastardizing
the
description
of
its
capabilities,
because,
because
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
how
it
differs
from
oppa,
even
though,
even
though
I've
talked
to
them
and
asked
them
that
question
before
I
forgot
hey,
look
at
this
they're
using
doxy
as
well.
I
wonder,
if
they're,
using
hugo
or
jekyll
and
anirud,
if
they're
using
jekyll.
C
I
wonder
if
they've
addressed
versioning,
it
doesn't
look
like
it,
so
the
founder
of
this
project
will
be
presenting
to
us
because
hey
we
need,
we
need
a
policy
engine.
We
should
probably
do
put
some
thought
toward
evaluating.
Should
we
use
cabrano?
Should
we
use
oppa?
Should
we
build
a
framework
that
works
for
either
one?
C
You
know
what
what
are
some
of
those
use
case?
I
articulated
a
couple
of
use
cases
just
now
about
things
that
we
might
want
to
evaluate.
We
there's
a
number
of
more
things
that
we
should
make
sure
that
measuring
is
capable
of
evaluating
the
founder
or
the
maintainers
behind
caverno
is
from
a
company
called
nermata.
They
make
a
well
you.
Basically,
a
cloud
management
platform,
I
think,
is
how
they
categorize
themselves
the
just
rand.
This
is,
I
mean
I
guess
this
is
isn't
random,
like
hey,
it's
I've
been
focused
in
this.
C
For
my,
for
my
part,
I've
been
focused
in
this
space
for
a
long
time.
The
main
the
founders
of
this
company
are
good
friends
of
mine.
I
I
end
up.
Here's
in
in
this
particular
case,
they're,
not
friends,
because
we've
done
work
together
in
the
cloud
native
community,
they're
friends,
because
the
founders
used
to.
C
That
used
to
sell
my
product
at
cisco,
so
I
led
a
team
of
a
little
over
100
people
to
build
cisco's
cloud
management
platform
a
while
ago,
and
he
was
in
a
services
team
that
would
engage
with
customers
to
deliver
that
software,
and
so
anyway,
his
name's
jim
he's
got
he's
had
narada
for
some
number
of
years.
They've
been
focused,
well
kind
of
on
cloud
management
platforms
and
not
kind
of
like
they
have
been
and
they've
been
making
it
more
cloud
native,
more
cloud
native
and
so
they've
figured
out
that
that
they'll
create
cover.
C
No,
we
should
come.
We
we're
going
to
have
him
come
and
present
it
to
us
as
we
do
is
vishal
on
we
should
we
should
we
should
anyway.
I
anyone
who
wants
to
who's
interested
in
should
help
take
notes.
Do
an
analysis
help
us
figure
out
like
which
of
these
two
policy
engines?
Do,
we
think,
is
the
thing
we
should
use
and
how
do
we
not
hurt
people's
feelings
when
we
don't
use
the
other?
One
related
to
this
is
the
fact
that
meshrin
needs
a
workflow
engine.
C
I
believe
into
argo
cd,
if
I
recall
correctly,
there's
also
another
two
one
from
uber
called
cadence
and
one
as
a
fork
of
cadence
called
temporal,
and
if
you
twisted
my
arm
behind
my
back
and
said
pick
one
right
now,
I
would
say
temporal
which
workflow
engine
this
one
and
that's
why
this
one's
hyperlinked?
C
C
J
G
G
Before
the
feature
I
added
the
data
was
stored
locally
in
the
it
was
not
stored
in
the
meshi
cloud.
Basically,
so
I
added
a
functionality
in
which
now,
if
you
run
a
smi
test,
it
will
store
it
in
a
mesh
three
cloud
and
whenever
you
log
in
again,
you
will
be
able
to
retrieve
the
previous
tests
which
you
have
made
and
we,
if
they
give
us
access,
we
will
be
also
able
to
see
the
changes.
G
D
So
that
everybody
can
sort
of
look
at
others,
results.
G
It's
for
one
account
itself
like
if
I
log
into
my
account,
I
can
only
see
my
results.
I
can't
see
anybody
else.
Okay,
if
that's
what
you're
asking
yeah
that's
what
I
was
asking.
C
What
you're
saying
yeah
yeah
so
this
piece
of
functionality,
about
persistent
being
able
to
persist
and
recall
conformance
test
results
is,
is
for
individual
users
as
an
individual
user.
You
sign
in,
and
you
can,
you
know,
store
and
retrieve
your
results.
C
Okay,
yes
good
and
that's
a
great
step,
and
hopefully
we
can
that's
great,
but
also
specific
well,
but
well,
for
both
the
performance
tests
and
for
these
conformance
tests,
the
performance
test
you
can
go
to
mastery.io
or
or
s
p,
spec
that
I
owe,
and
you
can
see,
the
total
number
of
tests
have
been
run
which,
by
the
way,
I'll
tell
you
guys
you
I
most
of
you
are
contributors
on
the
call.
C
So
I'll
speak
to
you
in
this
way
and
say:
you've
got
a
fan
out
there,
like
this
last
month,
there's
a
significant
user
of
the
performance
test
capability.
They
they
ran
like
a
thousand
pass
and
near
as
I
can
tell
they
ran
them
manually,
and
so
somebody
likes
your
work
so
to
what
michael
had
asked.
C
The
reason
that
we're
keeping
a
counter
and
the
reason
that
we're
engaged
with
engage
with
universities
is
that
we
want
to
analyze
these
results
and
help
inform
the
world
about
the
how
to
characterize
the
performance
of
the
mesh
well
in
a
related
fashion
for
smi
conformance
results
drew.
Maybe
you
know
where
I'm
going
now.
Yeah.
G
C
C
It
is
the
conformance
the
official
conformance
tool
for
whether
or
not
a
service
mesh
adheres
to
my
specifications
and
somewhere
there
needs
to
be
a
report
like
hey:
how
are
they
doing
which
ones
can
form
and
which
ones
don't,
and
this
is
a
static
version
of
that
report
based
on
the
fact
that
now
dhruv
will
be
landing.
That
capability.
C
This
site,
too,
can
record
you
know,
can
pull
down,
can
grab
the
actual
stats
from
the
actual
tests
in
this
particular
case,
the
the
stats
that
it
will
retrieve,
it
will
not
be
like
if
I
run
a
conformance
test
on
mastery
here,
my
anonymous
statistics.
The
results
from
my
test
will
not
anonymously
be
reflected
here.
C
There
will
be
eight
well
right
here.
If
there's
five
service
messages
participating,
it
will
be
five
man
I
couldn't
even
it'll.
Be
five
named
accounts,
one
from
each
service
mesh
that
they
will
designate
they.
They
will
run
the
service
mesh
project
teams.
They
will
be
responsible
for
running
the
tests
and
officiating.
C
G
So
yeah
the
v1
alpha,
another
version
number
of
the
individual's
pixel
like
the
traffic
access,
has
his
own
version
number.
The
traffic
split
has
their
own
version
of
when.
G
G
C
Couple
of
food
for
thought,
a
couple
of
suggestions,
if
I
may
I'll
play
the
role
of
an
ignorant
user
which
won't
be
hard,
which
is
wait,
wait
a
second,
I
admit
which
what
smi
version
is
this
testing
against?
Again
you,
I
think
you
said
b06,
but
it
ain't
on
here.
Could?
Could
you
please
add
that
it's
a
rhetorical
question.
C
The
other
one
is
okay:
test
set
v04
hold
on
hold
your
horses,
I'm
sorry
that
the
istio
is
passing
at
50,
so.
C
But
like
specifically,
what's
failing
like
for
user,
you
know
with
some
users
most
of
the
world
when
they
see
this,
they
won't
care
some
certain
small
percentage
of
the
world
when
they
see
this,
they
will
peruse
it
and
just
want
to
like
lazily
look
at
some
of
the
details
and
then,
like
you
know,
400
people
in
the
entire
world
were
actually
seriously
earnestly
and
very
much
so
care
about
the
actual,
like
you
know,
whatever.
That
number
is
anyway,
that
they're
going
to
really
want
to
get
into
the
depth.
C
So
while
we
don't
have
to
represent
all
that
and
make
this
complex
and
like
the
point
is,
you
know,
here's
your
compatibility,
but
if
they
do
want
to
understand
some
of
the
details,
the
when
you
click
on
find
out
like
if
they
want
to
get
into
details
right
now,
if
I'm
a
user,
I'm
like
okay,
I
guess
I'll
click
find
out.
C
Would
you
mind
clicking
that
for
me
sure
it
will
basically
tell
you
to
run
your
own
mystery,
yeah,
nice
and
it
explains
a
little
further
and
so
yeah,
here's
a
retor
so
where
I'm
headed
is
is
like
hey.
Where
can
I
find
these
test
details
like?
Is
this
whether
whether
it's
just
the
static
descriptors
of
what
the
tests
are
or
even
better
would
be
like
hey?
Can
I
double
click
on
that
row
and
like
get
in
like
really
seriously
dig
into
the
table
and
really
see
specifically,
what's
failing?
C
G
What
we
could
do
is,
let's
see
see,
the
changes
would
anyway
be
deflected
in
the
prs
which
you
made
in
the
according
your
in
the
version
itself.
Maybe
we
can
link
them
to
the
site
itself.
If
you
want
to
do
something
like
that
to
tell
them
what
has
changed
but
pointing
like
redirecting
them
over,
there
would
make.
C
Cool
yeah,
oh
you
know
what
you
cut
out
for
a
minute.
Ideally
I
don't
know
what
you
said,
but
if
you
were
to
say
redirect
them
to
github.
Ideally
we
wouldn't
I
do
we
just
have.
You
know
static,
a
static
set
of
tests
that
are
listed
and
just
starting.
There
is
enough,
like
hey
here's.
The
latest
set
of
what
those
tests
are.
C
Yeah,
if
we,
if
we
can
format
them,
if
they're
in
yaml,
which
they
are
yeah,
if
we
can
retrieve
them
and
just
sort
of
format,
that
on
the
site,
yeah
that
that
that'd
be
nice,
because
because
nobody
wants
to
maintain
that
table.
C
G
H
C
G
So
I
apologize
yeah
it's
for.
I
guess
I
will
apologize
because
the
twitter
thing.
C
C
C
Okay,
well,
that's
a
wrap
for
this
week
and
see
everybody
next
week,
thanks
all
for
coming.