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From YouTube: Layer5 Community Meeting (August 14th, 2020)
Description
Welcome @bhtomar!
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Everything's
I
try
to
some
a
watch
tennis
player,
so
they,
where
names
are
starting
with
vic
from
serbia
and
also
switzerland,
people
they
have
the
same
spelling,
but
they
have
very
difficult
pronunciation.
I
really
struggle
to
pronounce
some
names
about
switzerland,
but
I
really
tried
to
pronounce
is
a
roger
federer.
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D
Just
say
one
thing:
there's
a
cncf
slack
channel
is
currently
right
now
is
on
for
everyone
to
join.
So
I
am
really
joined
that
channel,
so
I
am
dragging
people
around
our
service
smash
things
that
we
are
currently
currently
doing.
So
I
need
some
more
people
to
join
that
from
a
live
life,
so
we
can
represent
our
community
in
that
in
a
great
way.
So
it's
free
to
everyone
for
joining,
and
this
have
a
good
kubernetes
service,
mesh
and
channel
right
now,
service,
mesh,
cone
and
cubes
likes
what
the
we
are
doing.
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Cool
good
deal,
okay,
well!
So
boudnesh.
How
are
you
moving?
It's
been
been
a
while
since
we've
gotten
to
verbally
talk,
so
hey
lee,
I'm
good.
How
are
you
you
know?
Looking
you're,
not
looking
I
mean
your
beard
looks
good,
but
it's
it's
not
quite
as
distinguished
as
mine,
like
you
got
to
get
some
white
going
on
in
there.
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Sure
yeah,
no,
it's
a
good
thing.
It's
a
it's!
A
well
there's
a
reason.
Why
there's
very
few
reasons
why
my
wife
decided
to
marry
me,
but
it's
I
think
one
of
them
is
she
doesn't
mind
freckles,
which
is
amazing,
which
is
great
and
then
also,
I
think
she
doesn't
mind
the
white
that
seems
to
be
like
that's
just
taking
over
my
face
so
anyway,
I
like
to
think
of
it
as
distinguished
it's
it's
wisdom,
just
sort
of
coming
out.
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I
have
a
background
in
networking
and
I
think
telecom
days
where
we
had
voiceover
ip
stuff
going
on.
So
I
like
to
like
do
open
source
stuff
like
I,
I
enjoy
docker
a
lot
ansible
and
so
those
kind
of
things
I
am
I'm
catching
up
with
service
meshes.
I
really
have
not
too
much
of
an
exposure
to
it,
but
I
think
it's
the
it's
the
right
thing
to
do,
for
you
know
for
like
the
the
way
things
are
going
so
and
happy
to
be
here.
Thank
you.
A
Yeah,
I
couldn't
that
last
bit,
like
I
think
it's
in
inevitability,
that
people
are
the
more
services
that
people
run
like
hey.
The
the
more
ubiquitous
service
meshes
will
become
so
it
takes.
It
takes
people
a
while,
though
it
took
people
a
while
to
kind
of
get
into
docker
and
do
docker,
you
know
and
then
a
while
to
get
to
kubernetes-
and
this
is
this
networking
stuff
is
even-
is
even
harder
for
a
lot
of
people.
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We
yeah
no
yeah,
we
we
did.
We
started
school
yesterday
here
and
every
and
all
of
all
three
of
our
kids
are
doing
it
from
home,
which
means
that
my
wife
may
or
may
not
have
hair
by
the
end
of
the
month.
I
think
she's
turns
out
it's
a
full-time
job.
Now
she's
she's
a
he's,
a
teacher
at
this
point:
yep
nice,
good,
okay!
A
Well,
let's
get
in
jump
into
the
the
meeting
minutes
if
we
can,
let's
just
so
the
the
I
think
most
everyone
here
is
aware
that,
like
hey
the
I
do
what
I
can
to
try
to
type
and
talk
at
the
same
time-
and
I
can
barely
do
that.
So
please
help
take
notes
or
if
you
have
topics
you
want
to
talk
about,
please
drop
them
in
also
slap,
your
name
into
the
meeting
minutes
and
usually
on
the
friday
call.
A
Some
of
whom
you
might
ring
a
bell
for
some
of
you,
some
of
whom
you'll
end
up,
hopefully
working
with
a
little
bit
so
just
by
to
the
extent
that
you've
ended
up
bumping
into
these
folks
ronald
is,
is
a
tech
reviewer
of
one
of
the
books
that
I'm
I'm
authoring
at
the
moment,
so
he's
getting
getting
hip
deep.
I
think
in
in
service
mesh
land,
nice
guy.
A
A
That
you
can
use
as
the
data
plane
instead
of
envoy
in
an
istio
deployment,
so
there's
a
deployment
style
in
which
their
proxy
can
displace
envoys
kind
of
interesting.
That's
not
that's
been
done
a
few
times.
One
time
was
with
with
engine
mesh.
Another
time
was
with
citrix.
They
had
recently
announced
the
ability
to
run
cpx
instead
of
envoy,
it's
kind
of
interesting
and
so
and
hence
that's
why
we
built
out
the
adapter
for
the
citrix
service
mesh
sandeep
joined
this
week.
Sandeep
is
from
walmart
labs.
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I
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I
Actually,
in
this
contest,
there
is
basically
a
excel
sheet
shared
with
their
contestants
before
registration,
so
in
which
contains
various
projects,
which
has
some
open
issues
or
features
that
need
to
be
implemented.
People
can
select
their
own
project
and
assign
to
it
after
that
the
mentor
will
contact
them
and
they
can
work
on
it.
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I
So
yeah,
so
it's
not
something
very
big
like
that.
It's
a
simple
notes,
app,
which
we
can
use
to
create
track
out
different
loops,
which
previously
before
me
joining
our
starting
contributor
to
it.
It
was
a
simple
one
with
like
there
wasn't
something
to
feature
like
these
multiple
list
or
something
we
there
was
add
button
which,
which
would
open
a
same
similar
kind
of
input
box
like
in
this
one,
and
it
would
have
added
the
list
over
there.
So
after
me,
starting
to
contribute
in
it.
I
I
implemented
a
database
backend
file,
databases
which
was
a
bit
of
difficult
task,
considering
it
should
have.
It
should
be
available
for
both
the
the
web
app
and
the
android.
So
as
far
as
my
research
for
the
android
version,
only
sqlite
database
works
up
till
now,
so
that
is
not
available
for
the
browser.
I
So
I
did
a
bit
of
research
which
my
mentor
guided
to
clear
it
up.
So
we
came
up
with
nsql
compact
or
you
can
say,
combined
library
through
which
we
can,
which
is
a
combination
of
web
index,
sql
and
sqlite,
to
create
a
database
and
it
automatically
automatically
switches
between
sql
lite
in
an
android
environment
to
web
index
sql
for
a
web
browser.
I
So
this
whole
app
is
built
using
html
phases
and
jquery
as
the
language
for
the
battery
pack
yeah.
That's
it
the
actually,
the
dialog
part
which
comes
over
here
in
the
top
for
reading
it's
kind
of
weird,
because
it's
it's
coming
in
the
alert,
but
for
the
mobile
part,
it
comes
as
a
dialogue
on
the
middle
screen
like
a
model
which
asks
for
the
location.
I
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A
But
but
there
he's
he's
giving
a
talk
about
istio
and
a
bit
of
like
trying
to
finish,
I
think,
a
way
of
kind
of
finagling
multi-tenancy
in
istio
and
then
myself
and
another
contributor
pratik
who's.
A
graduate
student
here
at
ut
austin
in
town,
gave
a
talk
about
measuring
the
overhead
of
the
mesh,
but
not
the
whole
mesh,
just
like
specific
functions
of
a
mesh.
A
So
and
then
this
last
one
is
an
update
in
general
about
the
cncf
sig
network
in
which
we
I've
talked.
I
think
I've
mentioned
this.
Probably
the
last
number
of
community
calls,
but
we
end
up
talking
about
some
of
your
initiatives
at
cubecon,
so
they'll
be
on
display.
If
you
will
so
one
of
those
is
this
initiative
that
abhishek
is
going
to
demo
today
and
then
another
one
is
the
well
it's
the
service
mesh.
A
I'm
even
more
hopeful
beyond
that
that
we
will
work
with
critique
or
a
couple
of
other
academics
to
develop
an
algorithm
around
a
mesh
mark
develop
a
a
unit
of
measure,
a
scale
by
which
you
can
readily
identify
how
well
your
service
mesh
is
running
in
context
of
the
value
that
you're
deriving
from
it.
So
I've
been
holding
off
on
iterating
on
an
algorithm
myself,
because
I'm
hopeful
that
it
provides
opportunity
for
other
people
to
step
in
and
make
make
a
mark.
A
Can
I
make
well,
I
guess
I
didn't
mean
to
that:
wasn't
the
pun
intended
there,
but
but
where
people
can
yeah
leave
their
name
on
something
there's
an
opportunity.
Lastly,
we
end
up
I'm
telling
folks
about
the
distributed
performance
analysis,
which
is
our
incorporation
of
nighthawk
envoys
load
generator
into
meshri.
Meshri
supports
two
other
load
generators
today,
I'm
sorry
wait
a
second
I'm
on
I'm
not
sharing
my
screen.
Am
I
I'm
not
sharing
the
deck
you
guys
are
all
looking
at
yeah
sorry!
A
Well,
we
don't.
We
don't
need
to
walk
through
the
deck.
The
reason
I've
shown
this,
I
think
on
this
call
before
the
reason
that
I'm
showing
it
again
is
because,
because
it's
your
work,
we're
putting
your
your
work
up
on
display,
so
the
distributed
performance
analysis
is
some
work,
that's
being
championed
by
cush
here
in
the
community,
he's
working
with
a
couple
of
folks
from
google
on
this,
and
this
is
a
project
that
any
of
you
are
welcome
to
participate
in
as
well.
A
D
Yes,
thanks
lee.
Actually
this
is
slack
channel
dedicated
for
our
new
and
even
is
a
kind
of
a
networking
channel.
That's
who
doesn't
need
to
participate
or
just
it's
a
kind
of
a
channel
that
has
prometheus
and
every
networking
session.
You
can
go
in
that
talk
us
people
about
our
projects,
so
people
might
to
know
us
what
we
are
doing
and
some
people
who
have
interest
in
it.
We
can
track
them
here
in
our
slack
channel
and
come
to
know
them.
That's.
D
We
are
doing
the
same
work
that
you
have
got
so
come
us
and
join
us,
so
these
kubecon
sessions
are
when
you're
attending
on
the
hall
they're
going
for
the
great
networking
sessions
and
they
cncf
are
kind
enough
to
know
that
and
they
are
now
doing
the
same
thing
using
slack
channel.
So
it's
a
great
channel.
I've
just
joined
it
in
tomorrow
in
thursday
last
day,
and
I
try
to
figure
out
people's
answering
their
questions,
some
of
and
asking
about
people
that
we
should
join
our
five.
D
So
if
anyone
interesting
I
throw
in
the
chat
session,
the
cncf
slack
workspace.
So
please
join
that
channel
and
we
can't
start
a
networking
session
there.
So
people
can
figure
out
what
are
doing
here
because
it's
great
to
it's
a
cube
corner
at
events
and
that
is
going
to
a
networking
session
and
kind
of
gathering
our
community
building
our
strong
relationship
with
other
as
well,
so
the
kind
of
kind
of
the
cube
con
section.
If
do
we
have
any
plan
for
the
service
service
mesh
con
as
well
or
not
right?.
A
No
just
we'll
just
be
in
attendance,
the
service
mesh
con
is
well
is
we
spoke
at
the
very
first
service
mesh
con
because
before
it
was
called
service
mesh
day
and
then
since
then,
I
was
asked
to
be
a
program
chair,
but
couldn't-
and
so
we
haven't
spoke
at
the
last
couple
of
them
and
we're
not
speaking
at
it
again.
This
go
round
we'll
see
what
happens
with
kubecon
boston
in
six.
You
know
in
a
few
months,
but
other
than
that.
No,
we
don't
we're
not
sponsor.
A
We
are
members
of
the
cncf,
but
we're
not
you
know
paying
for
a
marketing
we're,
not
sponsoring
kubecon
explicitly.
So
we
we
don't
have
a
virtual
booth
or
I'm
not
even
sure
what
they're
doing,
but
but
yeah
the
the
symes
invite
for
all
of
you
to
be
active
in
that
community.
It's
like!
Don't
absolutely
do
it
like
spread.
The
word
around
tell
people
about
what
you're
working
on
invite
them
over
to
this
community.
A
A
But
there
really
isn't
like
a
single
place
for
people
to
go
to
ask
questions
as
a
matter
of
fact,
the
istio
slack
is
closed
and
and
so
a
lot
of
people
actually
ask
that
question
like.
Where
can
I
go
to
ask
questions
about
istio
and
so
we'll
we'll
commonly
welcome
them
over
here?
So
the
more
that
that
happens,
the
more
that
we
will
have
other
people
to
just
share
and
help
so.
A
Considering
the
work
that
a
few
of
you
have
been
doing
on
an
smi
conformance
tool,
so
there's
been
a
lot
of
active
work
on
the
smi
conformance
tool
and
then
there's
also
been
a
lot
of
active
work
on
a
messaging
adapter
for
open
service
mesh
and
so
abhishek
has
been
working
on
both
of
those
along
with
some
others.
We
thought
we
would
that
you
know
abhishek
might
be
able
to
demo.
You
know
either
the
two
of
these
today.
F
F
F
But
for
the
time
being
I
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
use
any
of
the
adapters
management
plane,
because
it's
all
the
same,
so
the
the
I've
integrated
a
couple
of
features,
the
first
one
being
the
installation
of
the
service
mesh.
So
when
you
do
it
install
it,
it
shows
your
notification
of
it
being
executed
and
in
the
background
it
does
the
whole
installation
part
basically
to
pull
out
the
binary
and
then
apply.
F
So
the
binary
is
the
the
open
service
mesh,
their
own
command
line,
which
is
called
osm
and
it
has
different
ways
it.
It
helps
you
to
perform
different
operations
on
the
cluster,
one
of
them
being
install
command
which
installs
the
service
message.
Shell
itself
on
the
cluster,
so
right
now
yeah,
it
says
the
mesh
has
been
installed
successfully
and
you
also
get
a
notification
here
saying
that
it's
it's
deployed
successfully.
F
F
F
It
shows
you
the
whole
logs
of
what
what
exactly
the
test
that
has
been
running
inside
so
as
soon
as
it
right
now
it
tests
for
three
different
test
cases.
That
is
so.
Let
me
give
you
a
background
of
how
the
smart
conformance
works.
Basically,
we
have
three
different
applications
deployed
during
runtime
inside
the
cluster,
and
then
we
test
for
three
different
cases
which
is
traffic
access.
Then
a
split
traffic
case
and
the
traffic
deny
case.
F
So
this
is
how
we
we
do
a
conformance
as
an
we
check.
How
conformed
is
this
service
mesh
with
the
smi
sergeant
interface,
so
once
this
test
is
once
this
test
gets
ended,
we
get
the
results
back
on
the
measuring
dashboard
here
as
a
notification
again,
so
it
would
take
a
couple
of
minutes,
but
it's
it's
going
to
come
now.
F
Yeah,
so
we
have
the
test
results
here
and
as
well
as
we
would
get
it
here,
but
right
now
we
don't
get
the
actual
results.
It's
just
a
mock-up.
Basically
this
one
and
I
will
soon
be
pushing
the
changes
for
the
actual
results.
That
is
this
results
to
be
showing
up
in
the
dashboard
here
and
yeah.
That's
that's
pretty
much!
That's
what
I
guess
this
is.
A
Yeah
one
so
the
more
or
less
the
last.
Actually,
this
might
be
about
true,
like
the
last
step.
To
finish
off,
there
is
just
the
the
bit
where
you
you
know
at
the
end,
when
the
test
results
come
back
and
you
were
saying
hey,
this
part
is
a
mock-up
there.
Actually,
there
there
is
a
a
bit
more
of
a
mock-up
and
that's
been
implemented
inside
of
measuring.
A
Let
me
let
me
share
and
make
sure
everyone's
got
that
one,
that
everyone
can
give
some
feedback
on
what
you
demoed,
but
then
two
have
a
little
more
context
as
to
what's
going
on
so
this.
This
topic
that
abhishek
just
demoed
this
is
this-
is
the
topic
of
one
of
the
kubecon
eu
talks
that
we're
giving
next
week
and
it's
about
measuring
being
used
as
a
tool
to
sanctify
to
like
to
verify
whether
or
not
any
given
surface
mesh
that
claims
to
be
smi
compatible
is
in
fact,
smi
compatible
or
not.
A
Now,
today,
if
in
general,
if
when
the
general
public
wants
to
you
know,
get
get
understanding
as
to
which
service
meshes
are
smi
compatible,
which
ones
are
participating,
I
assume
that
you
know
they
might
start
on.
Smi
spec.io
they'll
come
down
here
and
look
at
sort
of
ecosystem
projects.
Open
service
mesh
went
up
pretty
quickly.
Meshrie
has
been
there
from
the
launch
of
smi
last
year,
and
so
is
layer
five.
A
What
we
had
done,
though,
last
october,
not
not
last
october
yeah.
No,
I
guess
it
was
last
october
wow
that
feels
like
anyway.
That's
that's
about
a
year.
Anyway,
nine
months
ago,
ten
months
ago,
we
identified
the
fact
that,
like
hey
as
as
service,
meshes,
go
to
implement
smi
implement
these
specs.
Just
like
the
90-something
distributions
that
exist
for
kubernetes
of
the
eight
or
so
implementations
of
smi.
A
There
needs
to
be
a
methodology
and
a
mechanism
to
validate
whether
or
not
a
given
service
mesh
is
smi,
conformant
same
thing
for
and
then
inherently
part
of.
The
effort
that
we're
giving
here
is
that
people
will
or
individual
service
mesh
projects
will
then
own
the
right
to
carry
around
the
smi
logo
on
their
project,
to
say
that
they
are
smi
compatible
in
the
same
way
that
kubernetes
distributions
can
can
carry
around
the
kubernetes
conformance
logo.
A
Five
community
worked
on
this
quite
a
bit
and
then
abhishek
and
kush
have
worked
on
this
quite
a
bit,
and
so
this
design
spec
is
mostly
complete.
It
needs
like
where
the
smi
community
needs
to
come
to
bear
on
this.
A
bit
more
is
in
the
definition
of
what
tests
it
is
that
that
measurey
is
running
and
these
tests
are.
A
A
Each
of
the
service
meshes
will
then
be
on
their
they'll,
be
on
a
path
to
running,
measuring
in
their
build
and
release
process,
because
for
two
reasons
really
one
so
that
they
can
run
their
own
set
of
tests.
Each
time
that
they're
making
a
release
to
verify
their
compatibility
with
smi,
the
provenance
of
those
tests
will
be
verified.
A
The
second
reason
that
those
service
meshes
will
run
measuring
in
their
release
process
is
because
well
soon,
hopefully
smp
will
be
a
standard
or
quote-unquote
standard,
just
in
the
same
fashion.
That
smi
is
smp
will
be
a
way
of
universally
measuring
your
or
a
given
service,
mesh's
performance,
and
so
each
of
the
service
mesh
projects
that
I've
spoken
to,
which
is
a
lot
or
all
of
them,
actually
is,
have
agreed
to
have
either
been
really
interested
in
this
and
participating.
A
Each
of
them
at
some
point
have
agreed
to
go
ahead
and
run
mescheri
as
part
of
their
release
process
so
that
they
can
answer.
One
of
the
more
prominently
asked
questions
by
adopters,
which
is
hey.
What's
the
overhead
of
the
met
like?
What's
the
overhead
of
the
mesh-
or
you
know,
sort
of-
and
that's
to
add
lib
to
you
know,
comment
on
that
for
a
second,
it's
a
good
question
to
ask:
what's
the
overhead,
it's
also
one
of
those
things
that
needs
to
be
considered
in
context
of
the
value
that
the
mesh
is
providing.
A
That's
why
we
want
to
create
meshmark
as
a
simple
way
of
referring
to
how
it
is
that
a
mesh
is
performing.
So
I'm
excited
about
this.
I
don't
know
that
we've
got
all
of
our
ducks
in
a
row
necessarily
to
make
an
announcement
at
cubecon
next
week.
Maybe
we'll
work
with
google
and
hashicorp
to
see
if
they're,
they're,
ready
but
yeah
long
story
short.
A
A
A
A
A
A
F
F
A
F
A
A
I
H
A
Yeah
thanks
for
pointing
that
out,
actually
that
that's
an
open
issue
that
anyone
here
is
welcome
to
pick
up
this
site
is
based
on
jekyll,
there's
a
blog
collection,
a
jekyll
collection
that,
when
you
yeah,
when
you
click
on
the
link,
it'll
bring
up
this
the
modal
that
you
just
show
which
actually
doesn't
work
very
well.
It
doesn't
it's
not
good,
it's
not
how
we
we
just
need
to
bring
people
to
another
page
that
shows
them
the
post.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
If,
if
I
can
like
and
don't
let
me
like-
please
argue
this
with
me
or
please,
like
tell
me,
you
see
it
differently
in
general,
I
think
that
what
the
thing
that
you're
suggesting
bhuvanesh
is
it's
a.
This
is
a
good
thought,
and
this
is
that
the
answer
is
yeah.
Yes,
that
service
meshes
oftentimes
are
considered
in
context
of
people
that
are
doing
cloudy
things,
people
that
are
running
multiple
services
and
that's
where
a
lot
of
times
service
meshes
will
get
their
start.
A
A
We
were
about
to
talk
about
cloudflare
cloudflare
workers,
of
which
I
have
some
familiarity
with
and
part
of
their
edge
use
cases
around
anyway.
There's
a
lot
of
things
to
do
with
service
mesh
for
the
edge.
I
don't
know
that
everyone
often
thinks
about
service
mesh
in
that
way,
but
very
much
so
controlling
the
network
becomes
even
more
important
when
you're
dealing
with
remote.
A
You
know
when
you're
dealing
with
the
wan
with
the
internet
anyway,
the
my
the
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
there's
a
number
of
vendors,
of
which
I
don't.
I
don't
know
that
anyone
here
k
iot
totally
like
and
the
protocols
too,
that
are
there
just
really.
I'm
super
interested
to
see
some
of
the
network
filters
for
some
of
the
iot
specific
protocols.
A
As
a
matter
of
fact,
we
had
a
presentation
on
that
in
the
cncf
sig
network
not
too
long
ago.
If
anyone
reminds
me,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
it's
just
up
on
the
cnc
github.com
cncf,
slash
sig
network,
there's
a
young
there's,
a
startup
founder
that
had
presented
about
two
months
ago
on
the
state
of
each
on
other
protocols.
A
As
someone
runs
in
a
corporation
organization,
whereas
service
meshes
have
been
a
bit
more
for
the
mode,
you
know
if
I
can
borrow
from
gartner
and
say
sort
of
the
mode
two
for
the
developer.
If
you
will
that
they're
solving
for
a
lot
of
the
same
challenges
around
programmatically
configuring,
you
know
configuring
networks,
doing
that.
You
know
service
discovery
and
other
things
providing
all
kinds
of
network
services,
but
the
persona
that
they're
going
after
and
the
way
in
which
it's
done
is
anyway.
A
C
A
Yes,
yeah
acquisition
like
yeah,
but
you
know
so
it's
sort
of
baked
in
like
tail
or
tail
f.
Rather,
I
get
a
tail
it's
baked
in
like
yang
and
which
is
good
for
the
manipulation
and
management
of
hardware
based
network
appliances
right
which
is
really
interesting.
It's
like
the
same
use
cases
like
hey.
A
How
do
you
programmatically
handle
configuration
management
of
a
large
number
of
disparate
types
of
physical
switch,
routers
and
switches
and
network
appliances,
and
you
think
about
it,
like
you
can
characterize
a
service
mesh
as
what's
a
service
mesh
well
or
what's
a
control,
plane
or
well.
It's
configuration
management
for
the
data
plane
for
proxies
that
that's
certainly
one
of
its
bigger
jobs.
A
A
I
yeah
yeah
thanks
for
bringing
that
up.
Bhuvanesh!
That's
I
just!
I
don't
know
that
anyone
I
just
signed
on
to
the
technical
advisory
board
at
cisco
this
last
week
and
so
they're.
Speaking
of
this
conversation,
I'll
tell
you
that
there's
there's
a
new
product
in
the
works
like
you
know
I
but
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
So.