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From YouTube: Meshery Development Meeting (May 13th, 2020)
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Welcome Tajinder Singh of Capital One!
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Good
okay,
yeah,
it's
gonna
say
that
looks
like
it
looks
like
warning
time.
It
looks
like
yeah
looks
like
American
paint
on
the
walls
that
just
reason
I
say
it
like.
That
is
just
because
I
think
you'll
find
that
there's
a
lot
of
well,
there's
not
gonna,
be
a
lot
of
folks
on
that.
Well,
hopefully,
a
lot
of
folks
in
the
call
a
lot
of
a
fair
number
of
Indians
as
well,
except
I,
think
only
one
other
will
be
from
residing
in
the
u.s..
So
I
get
ya,
know
I!
Think
it
back.
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Actually,
maybe
we'll
have
two
others,
because
there
was
another
guy,
hopefully
that
you'll
meet
there
guess
he.
He
had
message
last
night
that
he
said
he's
all
done
with
school.
He
lives
in
Dallas
and
he's
pumped
I
think
to
get
you
know
deep
deep
into
something
he's
yet
to
figure
out
what
he's
excited.
Yeah.
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A
There
have
been
a
couple
of
folks
who've
joined
recently,
who
who
are
very
inquisitive
and
had
lots
of
great
questions
and
we're
engaging
we're
talking
more
engaging
and
after
a
few
days
and
things
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
they
say:
oh
I,
just
oh,
oh
I,
I
see
the
the
Google
team
drive.
The
community
drive.
Okay,.
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A
Fair
enough,
okay,
well,
we're
five
after
is
Wednesday
the
13th.
This
is
a
community
call.
It
web
development
call
for
mystery
and
surrounding
projects
within
the
lair
five
community.
A
quick
note
if
it
isn't
obvious
the
we
do
record
the
meetings,
and
so
it
so
be
aware
that
we
post
them
on
YouTube.
So
with
that
I
think
to
gender
is
the
lucky
individual
today
I
think
the
only
newcomer
today
so
did
you
want
to
just
introduce
briefly
to
the
to.
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A
Thanks
for
the
college
to
that,
I
talked
over
the
meeting
minutes
in
this
slack.
So
hopefully
everyone
has
access.
Please
take
notes,
as
we
go
feel
free
to
really
any
of
the
documents
that
we
look
at
in
the
community
are
should
be
editable
by
everybody
on
the
call.
So
let
me
let
me
let
me
share
those
and
do
a
quick
call
for
topics
Before.
We
jump
into
any
topics
if
you
have
a
topic
or
two
now
is
a
good
time
to
get
to
get
it.
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And
there's
Emmett
Emmett,
there's
Nick
as
well.
I
was
just
about
to
send
a
very
harassing
message
to
the
two
of
you
and
you
both
beat
me
to
the
punch,
so
good
welcome
Nick.
And
can
you
start
you
got?
We
you
guys
are
the
first
topic
today
and
so,
while
Nikki
and
Kanishka
are
getting
their
bearings
on
the
call.
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That,
well,
that
that's
webassembly
is
bigger
than
the
service
mesh
ecosystem,
but
but
webassembly
and
and
wasum
are
being
used
to
help
perform
some
service
mesh
tasks
or
functions
efficiently
and
Kenny.
Scarlett
and
I
are
giving
a
presentation
at
docker
con
in
a
couple
of
weeks,
and
when
we
do,
our
initial
thought
was
that
we
would
be
talking
about
docker,
desktop
and
and
measure
e
and
blossom
or
webassembly
in
context
of
Ischia.
E
So
you
will
be
able
to
kind
of
switch
webassembly
capabilities
on
in
console
and
and
and
use
it
at
your
own
risk.
I
suppose
the
the
kind
of
the
key
kind
of
the
key
sort
of
reasons.
Why
we're
just
not
massively
rushing
with
that,
even
though
the
codes
codes
written
and
is
working,
it
was
just
around
envoy,
because
envoy
I
believe
115
was
gonna
ship
with
envoy
and
and
it
didn't,
and
it's
not
it's
not
really
out
yet.
E
E
E
Somebody's
written
a
go
into
face
to
the
envoy
ABI
there.
Well,
it's
two
of
them.
One
was
written
by
a
folks
and
some
chap
from
Google
and
there's
another
one,
which
is
a
little
bit
more
mature.
The
folks
from
solo
we've
got
a
quite
a
quite
a
nice,
a
nodejs
one
but
I'm
I'm
kind
of
digging
the
the
go
and
the
tiny
go
approach,
because
I
I'm
I'm,
no
good
and
I'm
not
going
to
typescript
so
but
but
I
can
share.
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D
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D
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D
Thing
was
I,
just
read
it
on
like
envoy
directly,
so
there
is
some
conflict.
Differences
and
I
was
not
able
to
figure
that
out.
Yet
I
was
looking
into
console
and
stuff,
because
I
had
some
difficulty
like
I
mean
understanding
the
8.8
CL
files,
so
I
was
not
able
to
do
much
with
it,
but
yeah
I'm
on
it.
I
think
I'll
I'll
be
able
to
deploy
my
filter
on
it.
Here's.
E
The
current,
if
you're,
using
my
my
dev,
build
of
console
and
and
feel
free
to
you
know,
to
hit
me
on
on
I
need
to
figure
out
why
I
don't
get
notifications
and
slack
I.
Think
I
probably
need
to
get
I've
got
slack
on
my
computer,
but
I
think
it's
because
I
use
the
like
the.
What
do
you
call
it?
The
the
WPA,
the
web
app
version
of
slack
instead
of
the
app
anyway
I'll
fix
that
but
yeah
hit
me
up.
E
There's
a
couple
of
gotchas
at
the
moment
around
the
way
that
it
works
in
that
you
do
have
to
have
the
binary
for
the
the
webassembly
filter,
which
is
local
to
the
Envoy
instance,
which
is
like
it's
not
ideal,
but
I
think
istoo
does
the
same
thing.
What
they
actually
do
when
they
mounting
their
own
voice.
E
Id
cause
is
that
they're
mounting
em
I
pulled
a
path
where
the
binary
is,
but
it's
it's
configurable
and
we're
kind
of
looking
at
how
we
improve
that
when
it
goes
production,
there's
there's
a
number
of
different
ways
that
we
can
actually
get
envoy,
I
believe
to
download
the
the
filters
automatically
and
I.
Think
if
you
configure
it
configure
with
a
path
or
maybe
it
comes
over
the
axe.
Yes,
I,
don't
know
the
full
details
on
that.
It's
it's
not
something.
I've
spent
a
huge
amount
of
time
time.
E
A
E
E
So
I'm
thinking,
I'm
thinking
out
loud
and
I'm,
trying
to
my
brain,
was
kind
of
stopping
me
saying,
there's
a
better
way
neck,
so
don't
prevent
that
solution.
So
I
think
the
way
that
we
would
do
it
is
probably
what
we
would
do
is
in
the
configuration
when
you
deploy
console
onto
kubernetes
as
service
mesh.
You
can
actually
specify
the
the
Envoy
the
the
container
that's
used
for
the
sidecar
for
Envoy.
E
If
we
used
a
well,
we
would
have
to
use
the
the
waz
him
build
a
Vaughn
voi,
but
we
could
actually
just
use
a
special
build
of
a
special,
a
special
envoy
container,
which
has
both
the
filter
and
the
waz
him.
The
waz
M
envoy
bill
in
there
just
on
the
local
file
system,
and
that
would
actually
require
no
code
changes
at
all
to
to
the
like,
the
you
know,
the
kubernetes
injector
or
anything
like
that,
which
is
always
good.
E
Whilst
it's
not
the
best
solution
like
prod
wise,
like
in
the
short
term,
it
turns
things
super
quick.
It's
like
can
do
this
like
right
now,
rather
than
having
go
to
the
team
and
hit
them
with
a
proposal
and
then
they're
like
yes,
you
will
do
this
and
I'll
do
the
code
and
takes
them
months
for
it.
Yeah
like
oh
yeah.
That
would
work
right
now.
Actually,
okay,.
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A
A
Briefly,
to
introduce
the
topic
is
the
the
notion
that
this
landscape
is
well
originally
intended
to
serve
as
a
repository
of
information
about
the
various
meshes
and
their
capabilities
where
they're
from
whose
stewarding
them
how
old
they
are.
You
know
that
kind
of
thing,
not
just
the
service
messages,
but
also
related
technologies,
so
API
gateways
and-
and
things
like
that,
and
it's
an
really
it's
here
under
its
initial
form,
which
is,
from
my
perspective,
a
great
set.
It's
a
good
index
of
data,
but
to
the
end-user.
A
From
my
perspective,
it's
overwhelming
and
it's
just
a
bunch
of
stuff
to
sift
through
that,
doesn't
really
tell
either
the
lazy
user
or
or
or
the
diligent
you
know,
reader.
It
doesn't
really
answer
their
question
about
well,
hey,
which
one
should
I
use,
which
one's
good
for
me
or,
what's
what's
the?
Why
would
I
use
one
versus
the
next
and
and
because
it
doesn't
say
that
it's
been
and
because
because
doesn't
say
that
and
because
much
of
almost
all
of
the
data
on
here
has
been
entered
by
the
project?
A
A
representative
of
these
projects
themselves
that
it's
not
contentious
for
the
most
part,
because
those
project
owners
are
representing
themselves
and
and
why?
Oh,
and
because
it's
not
opinionated
well
the
problem
with
the
second
part
about
it
being
well,
not
opinionated
is
it's
not
is
not
nearly
as
useful
or
insightful
as
it
could
be.
It
is
time
to
go,
hopefully
tread
lightly
and
not
piss
off
a
lot
of
people,
but
to
go.
It
provides
some
viewpoints
and
to
provide
those
viewpoints.
A
F
F
F
F
He
need
a
fitting
a
two-day
job,
but
because
it
is
so
old
and
they
are
over
I
mean
120
plus
commits
after
that
the
UI
was
pretty
broken,
so
I
have
worked
it
to
fix
it
and
to
improve
that
visiting
UI.
So
the
current
state
of
the
landscape
looks
like
this.
Here
we
are
having
the
solution
message.
This
is
the
missile
turret,
currently
how
it
looks
like
the
landscape
page.
F
So
this
is
how
the
Sun
is
not
just
table
looks
like,
and
this
is
the
multi
genesee
I
have
increased
the
size
of
the
images
and
all-
and
maybe
this
is
wrong.
I
think
I
mean
it
should
look
like
this
I
think,
but
maybe
the
data
is
not
properly
there.
So
this
is
how
it
looks
and
we
have
to
add
these
two
I
have
added
the
data,
but
maybe
I
can
pick
up
the
images
from
this
slider.
F
So
only
like
I
can
pick
up
the
images
from
here
as
well,
so
I
have
to
add,
adding
the
images
to
add
these
rows.
So
this
whole
thing
this
whole
row
is
the
component
which
I
did.
It
was
quick
ones
holy,
narrow
and
now
I
have
put
six
in
a
row
so
that
it
can
easily
be
glanced
through.
So
any
recommendations
regarding
the
UI
and
regarding
the
presentation
layer
of
this
of
this
landscape.
H
F
A
Yeah
this
is
yeah.
This
is
this
particular
well
I,
don't
know
that
it's
best
cover
spectrum,
but
but
maybe
this
particular
review
so
by
the
way.
Just
for
context,
these,
the
slides
that
we're
looking
at
here
are
really
an
inspiration
for
what
Sylvie
and
what
I
use
an
Anna
she's.
Actually
a
little
bit
have
all
worked
on.
That
I
use
is
showing
this
particular
slide
is
setting
the
company
that
the
primary
steward
of
than
that
in
works
like
opening
this,
the
primary
steward
of
we've
met
the
open
source
project.
A
So
it's
which
company
to
which
project
is
what
thing
has
shown
here
and
so
ty
Guerra
is
the
main
steward
of
calico
the
open
source
project
and
so
to
relate
that
service
missions
would
be
something
like
Kashi
corpus.
That
is
the
me.
Is
the
company?
That's
the
main
inward
console,
the
open
source
project.
A
Alright
and
so
okay
I,
don't
think
that
we
will
get
in
too
much
hot
soup
over
this
one.
It
would
be
thing
I
can't
aware
that
we
would
get
into
some
soup
is.
If
you
took
Sto
as
an
example
open
source
project.
It
would,
you
could
imagine
more
than
one
company
logo
as
being
significant
contributors
to
the
project
and
how
that's
accounted
for
or
or
in
any
way
will
rougher.
You
know,
and
probably
in
the
best
of
ways,
will
accidentally
step
on
some
toes
and
that'll
generate
some
conversation
and
get
some
more.
Is
there
second?
A
A
You
either
the
surface.
Mashing
there's
for
its
concepts
of
you
know,
tenants
the
multi-tenancy,
you
know
concepts
of
multi-tenancy
or
it
doesn't
there's
not
really
a
spectrum
as
much
as
it
is
sort
of
black
and
white.
If
you
go
down
through
the
spectrum
below
the
one
that
says,
network
engineers
and
developers,
I
think
that
the
yeah
the
spectrum
becomes
interesting
when
there
are
things
that
fall
in
the
middle
like
if
you
were
to
take
a
ten
as
a
service
mesh,
all
the
work
doesn't
show
it
in
this
screenshot.
A
A
Whereas,
if
you
are
a
developer,
you
might
find
these
service
missions
didn't
work
friendly
to
you
and
and
I
think
that
that
type
of
a
comparison
of
that
type
of
a
setup
from
my
perspective
works
fairly
well
because
he
needs
a
bit
of
it's,
not
black
and
white.
It
is
a
bit
of
it's
not
that
intense
stuff
doesn't
work
for
developers,
it's
just
that
it
may
not
be
as
friendly
to
them.
It
may
speaking
more
network
engineering
terms
and
it
more
haven't,
have
more
network
engineering
features.
A
So,
while
I,
you
should
call,
is
making
a
call
for
feedback
on
the
display
and
the
styling
and
the
positioning
things
I'm,
also
making
a
call
to
everyone
on
a
call
out
a
request
for
comment
to
everyone
on
this
call
to
consider
what
spectrums
you
think
we
might
should
have
like
one
of
those
is
on
one
hand
it's
very
power
like
I.
Usually
if
you
go
back
to
the
presentation,
the
Google,
slides,
I
think
this
will
give
a
good
example
of
there's
a
powerful
versus
easy
to
use
spectrum
yeah.
Actually
it's
slide
seven.
C
Yeah,
hey
can
I,
add
something,
although
I'm
not
very
familiar
yet,
but
I
I
can
add
in
general
what
I
have
seen
at
a
few
websites
just
for
helping
users
to
grasp
the
content
easily.
Sometimes
there
are
scenario
based
approaches
where
they
will
actually
give
a
scenario,
and
within
that
scenario
you
may
have
a
like
1:1
architecture
or
multiple
architectures
and
within
those
you
can
basically
say
for
this
piece
or
for
this
specific
aspect.
These
are
the
possible
technologies.
C
A
Thank
you,
I
think
it
does
maybe
to
regurgitate
an
example
that
might
may
be
something
like
if
you're
running,
if
your
use
case
and
your
architecture
includes
bare
metal
and
services
running
on
bare
metal
and
DMS,
then
you
know-
maybe
maybe
this
type
of
architecture,
and
hence
these
service
meshes
are
for
you.
If
you're
only
doing
things
inside
of
kubernetes
and
running
only
containers
and
things
that
maybe
do
you
serve
as
Nationals
are
for
you,
it's
kind
of
like
that.
You.
C
That's
what
I
was
mainly
I
was
relating
it
to
one
of
the
recent
where
I
was
reading
about
a
few
of
the
AWS
web
services,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
them
right
and
what
they
are
trying
to
simplify
there
in
in
order
for
the
users
or
for
the
developers
to
choose
easily.
They
were
giving
this
scenario
based
examples
and
I
was
just
relating
to
that.
It
might
not
be
like
we
can
try
it
out,
but
it
might
not
be
necessarily.
We
don't
have
to
do
it
like
that.
A
A
great
sage
is
a
great
suggestion.
It.
It
really
would
be.
How
come
you
need
it,
whether
it's,
whether
it's
some
architectural
diagrams
or
whether
it's
certain
criteria,
it's
sort
of
like
hey?
Are
you
a
fully
on
Prem
environment?
Are
you
in
a
hybrid
environment?
Are
you
totally
public,
and
maybe
that
has
an
effect
on
which
service
match
will
work
better
for
you?
You
run
bean
and
container
you
like.
A
Maybe
there's
a
questionnaire,
or
maybe
it's
a
yeah,
that
absolutely
a
guide
to
mesh
selection
makes
it
kind
of
sense,
and
that's
it
that's
in
many
respects.
What
we're
essentially
saying
is
like
is
there's
a
great
repository
of
information
here,
but
but
yeah.
How
do
you?
It
doesn't
really
quickly
answer
your
question.
Yeah.
If
you
come
in,
and
you
say,
yeah
I'm,
a
network
engineer,
I'm
running
you're,
mostly
on
Prem
I'm
out
a
deal,
is
a
bunch
of
VMs
as
well
as
containers,
okay,
well,
that
that
means
that
those
four
aren't
gonna
work
for
me.
A
F
This
particular
thing,
but
for
these
I
mean
for
network
engineers
and
other
paths
or
for
convenience,
it
might
be
a
good
idea
to
have
a
complete
state
of
complete
spectrum
for
that
any
other.
Your
feedback
for
I
use,
also,
if
you
have
any
feedback
for
a
vector,
visual
representation
of
these
spectrums,
that
is
it.
A
Alright,
thanks
for
this
tie
you,
this
is
good.
I'm
excited
for
this
to.
Finally,
land
hey
like
there
is
a
lot
of
references
to
that
landscape,
references
in
books,
references
and
across
many
of
their
sites,
but
a
thin
static
for
too
long.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I'll
say
this
a
couple
of
things
with
meteors.
You
know
it's
a
point
of
interest
for
him
as
well,
and
that's
that
a
couple
of
you
that
are
on
the
call
now
are
well
are
now:
google
Summer
of
Code
interns
or
community
bridge
interns,
which
is
awesome.
A
So
so
that's
another
way
that
I'm,
hoping
that
the
landscape
involve
fair
enough.
Next
topic
is
one
that
well
this
one
that
we
talked
about,
but
a
month
ago,
I
think
it
was
April.
8Th
was
the
dead
meeting
we
talked
spoke
on
and
on
in
its
the
notion
that
metrics
ETL,
as
a
binary
is
not
capable
is
it
is
capable.
Our
CLI
tool
is
capable
of
updating,
The
Container
images
that
measure
Iran
measuring
and
it's
adapters
run
with
it.
But
it
is
not
capable
of
updating
itself.
B
I
A
It
could
be
that
you
that
a
user
of
my
run
a
single
command
to
do
all
of
them,
and
maybe
that
single
command
would
have
optional
flags
to
let
them
control
not
updating
the
client
if
they
decided
not
to
or
not
aiding
the
server,
if
they
decided
not
to
do
that,
but
I
think
control
over.
That
is
good.
It
might
be
that
update
and
upgrade
people
would
be
left
wondering
you're
guessing
it,
which
one
was
doing
which
the.
I
Only
reason
I
say
that
people
familiar
with
boo
would
know,
there's
a
difference
between
update
and
upgrade
like
most
back
at
my
package
managers.
Have
that
option
you
don't
want
them
to
inadvertently
upgrade
the
Mishra
cuttle
or
upgrade
the
rest
of
the
containers
and
because
going
back
to
the
version
is
probably
gonna
be
harder
for
them.
A
A
But
so
now
that
we
brought
this
topic
up,
I
don't
know
that
I
really
presented
much
of
a
question
other
than
other
than
Nisshin
I
were
talking
about
it.
We
felt
like
there
or
I
felt,
like
you
know,
like
github.
The
CLI
was
a
great
example
of
of
a
couple
of
things.
I
know:
Kenny's
car
is
sort
of
toying
with
the
notion
of
the
OAuth,
the
the
gh
login,
the
OAuth
stuff,
that
they
do
for
potentially
using
that
permission
synth.
I
A
Meaning
that
the
measure
is
intended
to
support
any
number
of
these
things
and
people
can
make
their
own
custom
one
so
so
a
surface
mesh,
adaptor
and
I
think
that
that
intuitively
makes
sense
to
to
us
here
the
notion
that
we
would
support
different
types
of
load.
Generators
like
as
a
as
a
pluggable
interface
and
then
the
notion
of
a
provider
which
may
be
the
easiest
way
of
conveying
that
concept
is
to
say
is
that
like
here
with
with
vagrant
or
terraform
and
I,
don't
mean
to
flatter
NIC
and
hashing?
It's
just.
A
B
A
Like
this,
the
placement
I
think
so,
when
I
or
I
just
skipped
right
past
that
screen
I
was
on
I
was
on
auto
mode.
Just
then
so
that's
gonna
come
out
your
prompted
here,
don't
have
an
existing
session
and
there
is
the
we
will.
Hopefully
before
Mary
goes
into
the
CN
CF
that
we
will
hopefully
have
a
few
more
example
providers
there.
There
are
two
types
of
providers:
a
local
provider
and
a
remote
provider,
there's
essentially
built
into
the
open
source
code.
A
There's
a
local
provider
and
it's
the
name
of
that
local
provider
is
and
which
initially
means
like
the
things
that
you
do
within
that
session
are
gonna,
be
fairly
ephemeral
and
kind
of
persist
within
the
lifetime
of
your
container
instance
mm-hm,
and
that's
fine,
it's
essentially
an
owner
mode
or
or
a
single
user
mode,
but
user
is
sort
of
implicit.
There
really
isn't.
One
is
just
a
generic
something
that
could
guest
mode
yeah,
whereas.
A
The
only
other
provider
right
now
is
this
one.
Hopefully
others
where
you
in
this
provider's
case,
it's
well
wasn't
using
cookies,
as
a
method
of
as
well
has
always
been
using
social
authentication,
but
then
using
keeping
track
of
that
authenticated
session
as
a
cookie,
and
we
recently
switched
your
JW
teas
as
access
tokens
as
our
method
of
tracking
the
authenticated
user
and
so
now,
I've
kind
of
lost
on
the
question
was
what
our
providers
and
oh
and
so
the
deal
here
is
that
it
becomes
important
for
the
command
lot.
A
The
client
here
to
log
in
to
a
provider
when
running
a
performance
test
from
the
CLI.
If
you
want
to
schedule
these,
you
know
maybe
have
these
performance
tests
run
in
context
of
your
CI
pipeline
or
or
not.
You
just
prefer
the
command
line
versus
the
UI
that
that,
in
order
to
press
the
results
in
a
place
where
you
can
come
back
and
view
them,
you
know-
and
you
know,
pull
them
up
here-
is
that
you
first
log
in
with
your.
A
It
would
be
depending
upon
what
the
particular
provider
chooses
to
use
memory
as
a
server
as
an
open
source
would
say
right
now.
It
would
say:
hey
you,
you
need
to
hand
whoever
implements
this
provider
and
this
authentication
mechanism,
you
need
to
hand
back
to
Mary
server,
a
JWT,
whether
that
was
a
social
thing
or
whether
that
was
an
LDAP
or
sam'l
or
a
something
other
thing.
Fine
we
give
back
is.
I
A
A
A
It
says:
hey
notice,
additional
authorization
required
press
ENTER
to
open
github
calm
in
your
browser,
I
press
ENTER.
It
opens
up.
The
browser,
presents
me
with
this
County
stereotypically,
this
Olaf
authorization.
It
says
you
know:
do
you
want
to
authorize
get
up
and
do
these
things
authorizing
will
redirect
you
back
to
a
port
forwarding
that
is
happening
behind
the
scenes
here.
A
It'll
redirect
me
back
to
my
local
you're,
not
at
this
sport.
So
so
the
experience.
Is
it
pops
up
it?
It
says
you
need
to
authorize
it
pops
up
them.
Click
click,
yes
provide
the
password
and
it
says
six
authenticated
to
get
up
CLI
and
it
doesn't
close
the
window
I'm,
assuming
that
it
probably
has
a
hard
time
doing
that
or
maybe
they
just
wanted
that
user
experience.
It
drops
me
back
here,
authentication,
complete
press
picture
to
continue
and.
A
A
A
A
D
A
J
Hey
I
heard
off
with
Anand
last
thing
about
a
measure
ECL
update,
and
so
he
told
me
that
he
walked
on
this
pier
before,
but
due
to
the
location
which
brewed
downloads,
the
binary
into.
That
was
the
only
problem
he
was
facing
and
we
both
are
not
really
familiar
with
through
command
a
lot
like
I,
don't
know
about
none
and
I
think
he's
not
on
the
call.
So
if
I
could
ask
him,
so
that
was
the
only
problem
that
he
was
facing
else.
J
A
If
you
will
a
local
index
of
what
all
packages
are
that
it
has
installed
and
at
what
version,
and
so
where
those
packages
are
installed
on
the
file
system
and
that,
if
we
as
a
separate
utility
go
in
an
update,
you
go
in
and
mess
with
files
that
it
packages
that
it
considers
is
under
its
own
management
that
we
might
be
successful
in
updating
massery
CTL
to
the
next
version.
But
bru
wouldn't
necessarily
know
that
th,
the.
I
J
A
We're
we're
a
victim
of
our
own
compatibility
matrix,
so
here
I
think
a
bit.
Yes
is
the
short
answer
and
intended
teaches
laticious
point
I
very
much
to
agree
with
what
missus
said,
which
is
why
I
was
linking
to
the
update,
go
which
I
don't
know
that
that's
the
only
file
that
you
know
the
only
set
of
code
but
yeah.
It
may
be
that
we
should
go
look
through
here
and
see
if
they
are
either
invoking
brew
to
do.
A
J
A
Outside
of
that
very
good,
we'll
catch
you
all
on
Friday,
hopefully,
will
also
be
so.
Some
of
you
might
just
last
last
update
here
is
last
Friday.
We
said
that
we're
gonna
create
a
another
working
group,
the
surface
measure
performance
working
group
and
that
while
we
had
begun
to
do
that
within
this
community,
I
consider
that
we'll
probably
go
ahead
and
do
that
within
the
scenes.
Yeah
and
so
I.