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From YouTube: Leeds City Council - Consultative meeting of the Climate Emergency Advisory Committee - 18 SEP 2023
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B
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
welcome
everybody
I'm
going
to
do
my
official
introduction
part
now
so
hello,
everybody
and
welcome.
My
name
is
councilor.
Katie,
dye
and
I
will
be
chairing
today's
meeting.
At
this
point,
I
would
like
to
clarify
that
whilst
the
meeting
is
being
webcast
live
to
enable
Public
Access,
it
is
not
being
held
as
a
public
meeting
in
accordance
with
the
local
government
act.
1972.
as
such,
it
is
a
remote
consultative
meeting
of
the
climate
emergency
advisory
committee.
B
The
consultative
status
of
today's
meeting
means
that
some
of
the
usual
formalities
will
not
take
place
at
the
start
of
the
meeting.
This
also
means
that
the
committee
will
not
be
in
a
position
to
take
any
important
decisions
and
any
proposed
actions
that
do
require
formal
ratification
will
be
referred
to
the
next
formal
public
meeting
of
the
committee
for
approval.
Please
can
I
remind
members
to
turn
their
microphone
to
mute
when
they
are
not
speaking
and
to
use
the
hand
raising
assumption
to
indicate
they
would
like
to
speak
as
we
move
through
the.
C
B
So
can
we
start
with
introductions,
please
I'll,
go
through
in
alphabetical
order
and
first
of
all
is
counselor
Anderson.
C
H
Hi
everybody
councilor
Mike
Foster
for
Ardsley
and
Robin
bird.
B
B
Thank
you,
councilor
Newton,.
M
H
Thank
you
chair
good
afternoon.
Everyone
councilor
Mohamed
from
the
mortality.
N
Sorry
I
was
trying
not
to
create
feedback
there
Council
under
Thompson
geisley,
Rodham
wood.
B
Thank
you
very
much,
so
councilor,
Thompson
and
councilor
McCluskey
are
actually
in
the
same
room
as
me,
but
we're
on
different
laptops,
so
I'll
try
and
press
mute
at
the
appropriate
time.
But
if
it's
a
bit
squeaky,
then
that's
probably
because
I
haven't
pressed
it
in
time.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Can
officers
now
introduce
themselves
please,
let's
start
with
Polly
hi.
A
B
A
Thank
you
chair.
We've
received,
no
apologies
for
absence,
but
I
know
counter.
Tudor
is
not
here
yet
so
if
he
doesn't
join
us,
I
will
note
his
apologies
for
today
and
could
ask
members
to
make
any
Declarations
of
interest
that
you
may
wish
to
make
at
this
point
can't
see
any
hands
Ray.
So
thank
you,
members
and
just
to
add,
we
don't
have
any
late
items.
A
We
did
have
a
supplement
which
I
published
and
set
around
on
Thursday
and
that
relates
to
agenda
item
seven,
the
domestic
air
source,
heat
pump,
installation
there's
a
supplement
for
members
to
read,
and
hopefully
you've
received
that
on
time,
and
that's
it
from
me.
Thank
you
chair
thank.
B
Instagram
Page
Six
can
I
just
note
that,
on
the
second
paragraph
of
Page
Six,
we
were
going
to
make
sure
that
members
received
presentation
slides
which
they
should
have
done
and
also
copies
of
responses
sent
to
contributors
to
the
open
Forum,
which
should
have
gone
out.
Two
okay
page,
seven.
C
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
so
we
can
agree
those
we're
now
on
to
item
four,
which
is
open
forum.
Do
we
have
John
illing
with
with
us.
P
Sure
he
did
contact
me
probably
a
few
minutes
ago
with
just
struggling
to
locate
the
login
details,
so
I've
just
resent
them
through
for
him,
and
so
hopefully
you
should
be
joining
us
momentarily
thanks
faith.
Okay,.
P
I
can
see
if
I
can
contact
him
if
I
just
drop
off
the
car
momentarily
chair.
If
you'd
like.
B
G
Just
while
we're
here
and
waiting
can
I
ask
what
this
day
to
play
with,
with
with
around
kind
of
4G
pictures
and
I'm
sure
there
was
kind
of
there
have
been
allegations
that
or
suggestions
that
this
board
hasn't
sufficiently
kind
of
chewed
upon
the
response
from
Sports.
England
was
that
is
that
fair
or
the
updates
that
I've
missed
or.
R
B
There
is
still
some
ongoing
discussion
with
the
person
who
came
to
the
open
forum
and
we're
currently
constructing
a
response.
After
her
response
to
the
email
that
was
sent
from
Sports
England,
which
there
were
some
issues
she
she
disputed
with
the
the
position
of
sports
England.
S
B
Q
Of
course,
Sam
I'll
just
share
my
screen
if
that's
okay,
I'm
not
as
familiar
with
Zoom,
not
using
it
all
the
time
in
the
same
way
as
we
do
in
our
teams,
but.
Q
Yeah,
okay,
thanks
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
come
and
update
you
today,
I
mean,
as
people
know,
I'm
relatively
new
into
the
role,
and
it's
a
broad
brief.
So
I'll
do
my
best
to
do
justice
to
the
wide
range
of
things
that
are
going
on
across
the
directorate
and
obviously
take
any
questions,
suggestions
away,
but
just
in
terms
of
managing
expectations.
Q
If
I
can't
answer
detail,
then
you
know,
as
I
said,
I
can
get
back
to
people
second
thing
to
say:
you
know
thanks
as
ever
to
Polly
and
Chad
and
the
broader
team,
because
a
lot
of
what
we
do
you
know
is
is
based
on
advice.
You
know
that
kind
of
expertise
that
we're
lucky
enough
to
have
in
in
the
organization.
So
when,
whilst
I'm
saying
that
the
directorate
do
does
all
this
stuff,
you
know
it
is
very
much
and
often
you
know
kind
of
in
partnership
with
other
colleagues
as
well.
Q
So
they
were
just
think.
A
couple
of
things
to
to
mention
and
I
can
share
the
slides
afterwards.
They
have
been
a
bit
at
the
last
minute.
I'll
be
honest,
so
weren't
quite
ready
in
advance
to
share
with
members
book
and
follow
the
meeting.
Q
So
just
a
quick
one
to
mention
the
role
of
the
director
and
in
particular,
I
thought.
It
was
probably
important
to
say
this
because
when
Neil
has
been
to
this
meeting
in
the
past,
he
was
here
as
the
lead
for
Net
Zero,
as
well
as
leading
the
broader
directorate,
whereas
that
lead,
as
you
know,
you
know,
has
shifted
with
Polly
and
to
James.
So
I
thought
it
was
worth
just
mentioning
the
kind
of
twin
roles,
if
you
like
of
the
directorate
one,
is
about
that.
Q
You
know
the
kind
of
support
service
functions
and
making
sure
we
provide
organizational
leadership
on
those
and
the
other
is
you
know,
providing
that
wide
range
of
services,
particularly
through
Civic
Enterprise,
leads,
but
also
the
contact
center
as
well.
Q
You
know
that
hopefully
do
make
a
positive
difference
to
the
public,
often
to
those
who
need
them
most
but
as
I
say
kind
of
that
caveat
that
the
role
has
changed,
with
they'll
no
longer
being
in
the
role
so
I'm
going
to
do
a
quick
update,
there's
just
a
slides,
a
slide
or
two
for
each
of
the
areas.
I'll
just
pick
out
one
or
two
things
on
them:
you'll
notice,
some
consistent
things
through
them
where
most
service
areas
you
know,
do
have
this
topic
on
their
meetings,
we're
all
doing.
Q
Hybrid
working
lots
was
doing
you
know,
kind
of
reducing
the
printing
that
we'd
have
and
that
we
do,
and
you
know
trying
to
make
as
much
as
many
Energy
savings
as
we
can
so
there'll
be
some
common
themes
coming
through
as
well
as
some
that
are
specific
to
each
service
area.
The
role
of
legal
and
Democratic,
in
particular
character,
say
it's
mainly
two
things.
Q
One
is
mainly
providing
advice
and
working
with
Polly
and
others
on
a
lot
of
the
major
developments
that
we've
done
in
relation
to
this
area
over
a
long
period
of
time.
Q
And
the
second
thing
is,
you
know,
as
as
we've
got
Helen
here
today,
you
know
making
sure
that
relevant
meetings
are
supported
and
that
you
know
things
like
the
the
report
template
and
that
kind
of
thing
to
make
sure
that,
when
we're
making
decisions,
you
know
we're
making
them
in
light
of
what
that
kind
of
the
Net
Zero
impact
will
be
so
I
won't
say
any
more
on
that
one
Finance
is
very
similar
to
Legal
lots
of
range
of
advice.
Victoria's
teams
will
often
be
you
know,
members
of
colleagues.
O
Q
Taken
the
second
screen
off,
it
must
have
been
because
I
had
additional
screen.
Sorry,
thank
you
for
interrupting
their
chair.
Sorry
I
was
going
away
and
Blissful
ignorance,
that's
all
like
so
I
could
see
it
was
from
me.
It
was
on
the
right
one,
so
fine
on
similar
to
Legal
lots
of
advice
and
support
provided
across
a
range
of
capital
schemes,
Revenue
schemes
to
poly
and
the
broader
team
too
many
to
mention
there,
but
a
good
few
fairly
significant
ones.
Q
There's
a
lot
of
big
numbers
in
the
budget
that
relates
to
this
agenda,
as
colleagues
will
know,
and
then
in
particular
recently,
we've
been
making
sure
that
the
capital
program
has
been
refreshed
and
all
those
schemes
have
been
considered
through
a
challenge
group
linking
to
Strategic
investment
board
and
and
the
template
did
in
kilohuda
section
for
the
impact
in
terms
of
Net
Zero,
so
that
decisions
were
made
in
light
of
the
that
and
regressively
we're,
not
in
a
luxurious
position
where
we
can
have
loads
of
new
Investments
that
help
us
in
this
direction,
without
kind
of
getting
supplementary
funding
from
other
places.
Q
There's
a
lot
happens
on
procurement
and
Polly
was
Keen
to
make
sure
this
was
included,
although
I
think
you
did
have
it
earlier
in
the
year,
but
recognizing
that
there
was
some
new
members
on
the
board
so
procurement.
Likewise
again,
that
would
often
be
part
of
that
multi-disciplinary
team
that
probably
pulls
together
to
you
know
maybe
bid
for
funding
and
then
deliver
a
scheme
and
make
sure
that
we're
kind
of
got
the
right
kind
of
commercial
support.
Q
So
in
particular
for
those
contracts
above
5
million,
where
there
is
a
carbon
reduction
Plan
and
there's
a
list
of
some
of
the
examples
that
might
feature
in
that
carbon
reduction
and
plan,
as
well
as
obviously
social
value
being
considered
more
broadly
and
trying
to
join
up
with
the
anchor
institutions
across
the
city
to
make
sure
that
there
is
a
more
of
a
single
approach.
Not
quite
there.
Q
Yes,
I,
don't
think,
but
to
try
and
aim
for
for
that
and
try
and
make
sure
that
we
are
simplifying
procurement
processes,
particularly
for
some
of
the
smaller
contracts.
Q
Integrated
Digital,
Services
and
again,
a
lot
of
these
colleagues
obviously
do
have
this
thing.
I
mentioned
before
about
printing
and
staff
Communications
Etc,
but
also,
obviously
the
move
to
the
cloud
is
really
significant
in
terms
of
reducing
the
footprints
that
we
have
and
making
sure
that
those
partners
that
we're
working
with
on
the
cloud
like
Microsoft,
for
example,
that
they
also
have
strong
Net
Zero
policies
when
we're
procuring
and
entering
into
those
Partnerships.
Q
Clearly,
IDs
has
made
a
big
contribution
around
kind
of
hybrid
working
devices,
I
guess,
not
least
during
the
pandemic,
enabling
us
all
to
work
remotely
and
do
lots
of
recycling
and
then
trying
to.
As
you
know,
we're
trying
to
rationalize
the
number
of
applications.
We
do
have
hundreds
of
applications
across
the
organization.
Q
As
colleagues
know,
we've
been
doing
a
lot
around
management
development
and
engagement
and
I
think
you
know
my
recollection
and
that
we
were
working
with
Chad
and
Polly,
not
long
before
the
pandemic,
about
carbon
literacy,
and
that's
probably
something
we
need
to
pick
up
to
think
about.
How
can
we
cover
that?
You
know
potentially
as
a
mandatory
option,
within
the
be
your
best
program
in
the
way
that
we
have
done
EDI
and
we
are
looking
to
do
other
things
given
its
importance
to
the
organization
and
to
the
city.
Q
Q
But
it's
you
know
I
guess
using
digital,
for
some
of
these
developments
is
quite
a
good
opportunity.
We
still
have
a
number
of
travel
schemes
in
place
and
we
are
encouraging.
You
know,
colleagues,
partly
through
the
financial
challenge,
if
I'm
honest,
as
well
as
through
the
fact
that
we've
got
a
corporate
travel
plan
to
minimize
travel,
unless
it's
absolutely
essential,
so
I'm
I'm,
fairly
confident
we'd
be
compliant
with
that,
but
we
would
need.
We
do
need
to
probably
have
a
a
check
again.
Q
Members
of
this
board,
I
think
probably
will
be
aware.
We
did
the
gray,
Fleet
car
use
policy
just
before
covert,
I
think
and
obviously
that's
been
disrupted.
It
probably
needs
reviewing
next
year
to
just
recheck
those
time
scales
are
realistic
and
then,
as
I
say,
HR
again,
like
every
other
service
area,
do
use
this
as
part
of
engaging
with
staff
to
make
sure
that
staff
understand
the
direction
and
the
role
that
every
individual
can
play
in
in
terms
of
their
contribution,
then
we
move
on
to
Civic.
Q
Enterprise
leaves
there's
a
few
slides
for
this,
and
some
of
them
are
quite
detailed,
but
there
is
probably
quite
a
lot
going
on
bear
in
mind.
You
know:
Civic
Enterprise
leads
around
about
3
000
staff,
so
you
know
it's
a
lot
of
people
doing
a
lot
of
things
and
providing
both
Frontline
services.
Q
So
possibly,
you
know
more
opportunity
to
drive
carbon
reductions
so
in
cleaning
FM
and
again,
you'll
see
some
consistent
themes
running
through
this,
like,
for
example,
switch
to
electric
vehicles
and
building
efficiency,
stuff
education,
but
also
in
this
one
passenger
transport,
particularly
trying
to
use
technology
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
the
most
efficient
routing
of
vehicles.
Q
When
we're
you
know
taking
children
on
people
to
school
or
or
elderly
people,
and
to
where
they're
going
just
trying
making
sure
that
we're
doing
that
as
efficiently
as
we
possibly
can
for
those
building
service
in
particular,
trying
to
make
sure
our
procurement
decisions
have
a
focus
on
sustainability,
whether
that's
as
the
example
there
trying
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we
have
provision
from
a
range
of
different
locations
so
that
colleagues
have
access
to
the
materials
closer
to
their
job
location
or
their
home
location
to
minimize
the
amount
of
traffic
travel
and
another
key.
Q
One
here
is
trying
to
make
sure
that
operatives
are
up
to
speed
and
able
to
operate
those
renewable
Technologies
as
and
when
they're
available
moving
on
then
Fleet
Services.
This
is
obviously
a
big
one
and
one
that
Neil
and
Polly
will
have
updated.
You
on
you
know.
On
numerous
previous
occasions,
I'm
sure
you
know
it
has
been
something
that
Leeds
has
been
on
the
front
foot
with
and
had
a
probably
larger
than
most
people.
Q
Most
local
authorities
have
a
had
a
bigger
electric
corporate
Fleet,
and
that
has
been
growing
all
the
time
trying
to
make
sure
we
recruit
well,
so
that
we
can
continue
to
drive
that
around
renewable
energy
and
then
recent
procurement
exercise,
particularly
around
electric
refuse
Vehicles
you
know,
is,
is
very,
very,
very
significant
and
the
fleet
colleagues
have
been.
Q
You
know,
involved
in
doing
presentations
to
all
this,
because
I
think
because
of
the
work
that
colleagues
and
and
you
know
have
done
with
Polly,
then
you
know
there
is
material
that
we
can
use
to
help
influence
others
as
well
and
then
catering
again,
a
big
one.
You
know
we
do
provide
lots
of
food,
we
have
a
thousand
staff,
also
in
catering
leaves,
and
we've
ride,
lots
of
schools
to
lots
of
meals
every
day
to
schools
and
during
the
holidays.
Q
So
I
think
this
is
a
service
again
where
Polly
and
colleagues
have
worked
really
closely
with
to
make
sure
any
accreditation
schemes
that
we
can
use
to
help
Drive
the
right
Behavior
are
used
and
that
you
know
we
have
those
locally
based
suppliers
and
we
use
electric
vehicles
recycled
boxes
that
you
know
quite
a
little
while
ago.
You
know
during
the
pandemic
or
just
for
the
pandemic.
Q
Sorry
went,
you
know
to
one
meat
free
day
and
one
vegetarian
day
a
week
and
offering
more
plant-based
options
which
is
growing
looking
at,
which
are
the
ones
to
particularly
pick
out.
Q
Yeah
developing
a
carbon
calculator
is
in
particular,
you
know
to
try
and
calculate
the
carbon
footprint
of
School
meals,
but
importantly,
then
use
that
as
an
engagement
tool
with
schools
to
try
and
get
everybody
to
do
their
bits
and
the
last
one
there,
research
research
partnership
with
the
University
of
Leeds,
just
to
make
sure
that
we
are,
you,
know,
kind
of
using
local
universities
to
help
us
on
an
ongoing
basis
with
what
best
practice
looks
like
and
then
strategy
and
performance.
Q
This
is
The
Eclectic
mix
of
services
that
you
know,
ranging
from
emergency
planning
through
to
strategy
and
Communications.
So
again,
working
with
Polly
and
Chad
and
others.
We
did
have
a
climate
adaptation
workshop
last
year
which
felt
like
it
well.
Q
It
was
really
good
attendance,
actually
really
good
engagement,
really
good
conversations
and
think
good
things
have
come
out
of
that
in
terms
of
things
like
the
heat
wave
task
and
finish
group
and
just
being
more
people
being
more
aware
and
more
ready
for
those
developments,
and
you
know
being
more
ready
to
deal
with
the
very
the
variety
of
severe
weather
issues
that
we
face,
whether
that's
flooding
or
hot
water,
and
making
sure
that
we
use
our
warning
and
informing
range
of
channels
to
around
poor
air
quality
alerts
as
well.
Q
When
that
happens,
Mike
Akins
and
colleagues
work
closely
with
Polly
on
you
know:
Net
Zero,
the
annual
report
and
making
sure
that
we
really
feed
that,
through
into
the
best
city,
ambition
and
our
kpis,
and
obviously
our
teams
working
closely
on
communication
campaigns
with
Polly
and
the
team
and
also
you
know,
from
my
point
of
view
as
well,
making
sure
that
we
do
have
that
message
in
in
member
and
partner
updates,
so
that
we,
you
know,
keep
this
on
people's
minds
as
much
as
we
possibly
can.
Q
So
in
terms
of
conclusions,
you
know
it's
fair
to
say,
but
I
mean
it's
been
obviously
a
real
good
learning
curve.
For
me
to
be
honest,
to
reflect
on
what
we
do
do
and
so
I
appreciate
the
invitation.
You
know
we
do
clearly
do
a
lot
but
I
guess.
As
always,
with
these
things,
there
is
always
more
to
be
done
as
well.
So
you
know
we'll
make
sure
we
keep
it
in
our
conversations
in
our
work
programs
and
very
happy
to
take
any
questions
or
comments
or
suggestions.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that,
and
obviously
the
work
that
you've
described
is
absolutely
crucial
in
in
terms
of
us
meeting
our
Net
Zero
Ambitions
as
a
council.
So
I
would
really
welcome
from
members
of
the
committee
any
questions
about
what
you've
seen
or
any
suggestions
of
things
that
could
move
this
work
on.
So,
if
you'd
like
to
comment,
can
I
see
an
electric
hand
please
or
electronic
laughs,
okay,
councilor,
Thompson,
I've,
muted,
so.
N
Thank
you,
it's
quite
a
specific
one,
so
it
may
need
to
go
to
somebody
else,
but
particularly
about
electric
vehicle
charging
for
people
with
Motor
Vehicles
who
are
being
pushed
towards
electric
vehicles
who
are
living
in
Council
properties,
so
retirement
life
Bungalows,
particularly
younger
people
using
electric
motability
vehicles
living
in
Council
properties,
but
but
all
ages.
It's
a
question.
That's
come
up
specifically
an
award.
It
may
be,
this
isn't
the
place
for
it,
but
I
thought
it
perhaps
worth
a
mention.
Thank
you.
O
Basically
said
she
thinks
it's
more
of
a
housing
issue
which
is
pretty
much
what
I
was
going
to
say
so,
and
there
is
work
going
on
with
colleagues
in
housing
to
look
at
our
sort
of
housing,
Estates
and
things.
But
it
may
be
something
we
pick
up
when
James
comes
and
I
can
take
that
back
to
our
senior
leadership
team.
To
make
sure
we
reflect
and
come
back
to
you
in
between
times
councilor
Thompson.
B
Is
that
okay,
happy
with
that
yeah
and
people
who
are
new
I,
didn't
mean
to
introduce
this
item
by
saying
that
we
have
a
rolling
program
throughout
the
year
of
inviting
all
the
directors?
So
at
that
point
then
perhaps
you
might
want
to
re-ask
that
question.
Okay!
Thank
you
very
much.
Councilor
Anderson.
D
Q
T
O
O
Charge
points
at
people's
at
people's
homes,
and
then
we
re-pay
their
electricity,
so
it's
separately
meted,
and
so
it
means
it's
more
cost-effective
way
quite
often
of
recharging.
There's
not
enough
electrical
capacity
on
our
estate
to
charge
all
our
vehicles
and
people
operation
quite
often
take
Vehicles
home.
D
J
Oh,
it's!
It's
me
sorry,
and
this
may
have
been
raised
elsewhere
before
previously,
but
I'm
new
to
the
seat
board.
So
we've
we've
had
quite
a
few
people
in
our
area
asking
us
about
smoke-free
zones.
Now
we
know
that
we've
got
the
Clean
Air
policy
in
the
city.
Center.
Polyamber
fully
understand
that,
but
they're
concerned
about
the
upsurge
in
wood
burning
stoves
so
that
people
who
were
previously
living
in
an
area
that
were
smoke-free
and
yes,
they
may
well
have
slightly
lower
problems
with
car
fumes
Etc.
J
But
now,
because
they're
next
door
neighbors
have
now
got
a
wood
burning
stove.
They
open
their
windows
and
they're
getting
wood
smoke
coming
into
the
houses.
So
is
there
any?
Where
is
the
best
place
to
raise
that
about
introducing
smoke-free
zones
in
areas
that
previously
haven't
had
to
consider
that.
B
J
O
So
the
the
enforcement
of
smoke-free
zones
again
sits
with
James
the
director
of
community
housing
environment
and
the
Paul
spandler
heads
up
that
environmental
enforcement
side,
but
it's
very
very
challenging
to
actually
enforce,
because
actually
you
can
only
enforce
if
people
aren't
following
the
regulation,
so
you
can
still
have
wood
burners,
it's
actually
what
they're
burning
and
things
so
I
think,
there's
more
that
you
can
do
via
awareness,
raising
awareness
and
making
people
understand
actually
implications
and
I
think
at
full.
Council.
O
Last
week
we've
been
asked
to
bring
a
paper
back
to
is
that
board
around
air
quality?
And
so
again
we'll
pick
up
on
that
and
reflect
on
it
in
there.
So
I
think
that
that's
where
it
will
start
to
come
back
out
and
we
could
obviously
bring
the
air
quality
one
here
or
to
one
of
the
working
groups
beforehand
for
discussion
in
a
bit
more
detail,
and
so
it's
an
initial
view,
but
there's
still
an
area
I
agree
where
there's
probably
a
lot
more
work,
but
actually
policy.
O
National
policy
doesn't
necessarily
allow
us
to
enforce
in
the
way
that
people
would
like
us
to.
B
B
Right
in
that
case,
Mariana
can
I
pick
up
a
few
of
my
own.
Then
please,
the
first
one
was
on
the
procurement
slide.
When
you
talked
about
joining
up
with
other
Leeds
anchors
I
know,
you
said
that
that's
something
that
needs
further
work
and
I
just
wanted
to
ask.
Do
you
know
if
climate
change
is
a
feature
of
that
further
works,
specifically
in
terms
of
joining
up
about
social
value.
Q
Yes,
it
is
there's
a
procurement
subgroup
with
the
anchors,
but
also
Net
Zero.
More
generally,
you
know
is
a
feature
of
anchor
conversations
and
certainly
the
one,
the
one
or
two
I've
been
in
most
recently.
Q
It
is
I'll
have
to
get
you
a
more
detailed
update.
The
procurement
group
has
it's
slowed
down
a
bit
just
with
some
Personnel
changes,
not
just
for
us
actually
for
another
partner
in
recent
months,
but
is
actually
just
beginning
to
pick
up
pace
again.
So
I
can
get
you
let
you
know
what
the
position
is
with
that
anchor
group.
B
That
would
be
brilliant,
thank
you
and,
and
then
my
next
one
was
on
this
Human
Resources
slide,
and
one
of
the
things
that
you
mentioned
was
carbon
literacy,
training
and
that's
something
that
we've
discussed
more
than
once
at
seaac,
and
we
we're
really
Keen
for
that
to
progress
throughout
the
council.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
had
any
further
details
on
exactly
where
that's
at.
Q
I
think
we'll
have
to
pick
that
conversation
up
and
have
a
think
through
with
Polly
and
the
team
about
what
our
target
audience
you
know
are
we,
after
you
know
senior
colleagues,
are
we,
after
that
group
of
2000
and
200
managers,
where
we've
just
done
the
EDI
training,
or
are
we
after
something?
You
know
for
all?
Colleagues
like
we
sometimes
do
with
things
like
information,
governance,
Etc,
health
and
safety,
DSE
training,
so
we'd
need
to
regroup.
B
Would
be
really
good
because
we've
said
at
previous
meetings
that
that's
something
that
we're
really
Keen
to
to
promote
and
for
officers
and
and
for
members
as
well,
okay
can
I
move
on
to
travel.
Then,
please,
we
had
an
item
at
a
previous
meeting
about
corporate
travel
plan
and
we
we
were
Keen
as
a
a
committee
to
look
at
that
being
a
big
feature
really
of
the
work
that
directors
are
talking
about
so
I
know.
You've
said
that
you're
encouraging
that
and
also
that
the
gray
Fleet
policy
is
going
to
be
renewed.
B
Q
B
Yeah
that
that
will
be
good.
If
are
people
happy
for
that?
Okay
and
oh
last,
one
from
me
the
climate
adaptation
and
resilience
Workshop,
which
I
think
was
an
excellent
thing
for
a
councilor
to
have
done.
Is
there
follow-up
work
happening
with
that.
Q
Q
O
So
from
our
point
of
view,
we're
part
of
the
Yorkshire
and
Humber
climate
commission's
adaptation
program.
So
there
are
different
groups
of
councils
looking
at
very
specific
services,
so,
for
example,
waste
or
bereavement
services
so
rather
than
us,
have
to
look
at
every
service
in
depth,
we'll
be
sharing
knowledge
across
the
whole
of
the
Yorkshire
and
Humber.
O
So
that's
kind
of
the
next
stage,
I
think
from
our
point
of
view
and
then
just
working
with
some
specific
Services
I'm
Keen,
that
we
look
at
green
spaces
and
look
at
parks
and
consider
adaptation,
for
example,
in
there,
because
actually
there's
quite
a
lot
around
shading
or
water
features
or
things
around
that
or
playground
equipment.
And
but
it's
sort
of
early
stages.
I'd
say
that
next
part.
But
there
is
more
work
to
do.
B
B
Okay,
so
I
see
that
John
is
with
us.
So
John
we
moved
on
to
item
five
directors
update
because
Mariana
had
to
go
and
we
we
didn't
know.
Indeed
it
was
very
wise,
very.
B
It's
it's
good
to
see
you
so
we'll
go
back
to
the
open,
Forum
so
again,
just
to
remind
people
that
we
invite
people
who
have
something
that
they
like
to
talk
to
us
about
that's
relevant
to
our
agenda
to
come
in
and
open
Forum
slots,
and
they
get
five
minutes
to
talk
to
us
and
we're
delighted
to
welcome
John
illingworth.
Who
some
of
you
may
know.
T
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Chair
I,
hope
that
Lee
city
council
will
soon
become
a
major
participant
in
zero
carbon
energy
market
supply
demand
and
policy
and
I
want
to
bring
up
some
difficult
issues
which
presently
constrain
our
switch
over
to
carbon
free,
so
that
the
sore
points
that
need
attention
and
start
off
with
high
demand
areas.
T
Thus
renewable
energy
resources
is
distributed
fairly
evenly
across
the
planet
more
in
some
places
than
in
others,
but
no
great
concentration
of
any
particular
spot.
In
contrast,
demand
for
Indio
both
can
be
very
peaky
both
in
time
and
space.
Demand
is
concentrated.
The
tiny
spots
where
the
renewable
of
energy
available
doesn't
doesn't
balance.
T
We've
already
seen
this
collecting
high-rise
blocks
to
ground
Source
pumps,
it's
much
easier
when
each
Tower
block
is
surrounded
by
significant
open
space
which
can
provide
a
heat
source
and
accommodate
our
numerous
borehole.
So
it
you,
you
couldn't
do
a
high-rise
adaptation
in
a
combined
space.
T
Centers
are
much
more
difficult
to
service.
The
sound
centers
a
tightly
focused
demand
are
exceeding
the
local
heat
Supply.
There's
interesting
failure
mode
described
in
the
engineering
literature,
where
new
heat
pump
positions
deliver
sparkling
performance
only
to
quickly
deteriorate
over
the
first
few
years,
their
ground
sources
and
balanced
it's
too
small
to
meet
demand.
So
fresh
heat
doesn't
diffuse
him
fast
enough,
replace
the
heat
the
screen
withdrawn.
Now
the
result
is
a
frozen
underground.
T
These
problems
can
be
reduced
if
each
individual
heat
pump
serving
one
property
is
networked
with
other
local
pumps,
those
spreading
the
load
more
evenly.
There
are
two
types
of
heat
Network,
a
hot
version
which
joins
the
pump
hot
outputs
together
and
a
cold
version
which
joins
the
cold
outputs
together.
We've
got
both
types
and
leads,
but
they're,
not
they
don't
cost
the
same
price.
T
T
Road
networks
also
work
well
with
phase
change
materials
which
can
store
thermal
energy
for
days
or
weeks
or
even
to
even
out
supply
and
demand.
T
Won't
look
at
water
source,
heat
pumps.
Water
provides
some
good
examples
of
phase
change
effects,
a
normal
room
temperature.
It
takes
about
one
calorie
per
gram
of
water
to
change
the
temperature
by
one
degree,
if
you
switch
to
zero
Celsius
and
freeze
your
sample,
it
will
reduce
about
it
will
release
about
80
calories
per
gram
of
stored
latent
heat.
Similar
things
are
possible
with
hot
networks
and
what
is
their
sustain,
but
once
again
the
heart
system
needs
expensive,
Safety,
Code,
German
installation
and
the
code.
Internship
is
cheaper
and
safer.
T
What
is
excellent,
working
fluid
in
ng-12
practice
before
was
between
heat
pumps
and
thermal
storage.
Now
it's
obvious
to
me
that
people
living
in
coastal
and
Esterline
supplements
should
be
pumping
an
awful
lot
more
heat
from
the
seeds,
but
I
follow
the
vessels
available
for
them,
but
I
suspect
is
the
best
70
miles
in
London
as
well,
and
so
I
would
expect
to
see
a
big
increase
in
in
water
source
bumps
from
the
sea
all
around
our
Island
Coast,
which
will
see
who's
right
about
that.
But
that's
my
prediction
I'd
like
to
mentioned.
T
Finally,
the
picture,
which
is
a
local
system
that
harvests
energy
from
our
waste
processing
at
the
room.
The
planning
process
today
starts
with
literally
in
the
last
century,
I
traced,
through
30
years
of
probably
of
committee
meetings,
gradually
assembling
the
that
concept
underground
and
there's.
R
T
T
B
Thank
you,
John.
Thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
prepare
that
and
and
come
and
talk
to
us,
and
we
will
most
certainly
prepare
you
a
response.
I
would
imagine
it
needs
to
be
quite
technical
to
deal
with
some
of
the
issues
that
you've
raised,
but
I
would
look
forward
to
to
sending
that
to
you.
Thank.
B
P
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
time
John
nice
to
see
you
again.
Okay,
let's
move
on
to
item
six,
so
item
six
is
our
working
groups
update
and
we
have
two
groups
that
have
met
since
the
last
meeting,
one
of
which
is
the
one
chaired
by
councilor
Anderson,
and
one
of
them
is
the
one
shared
by
councilor,
carlisles,
sorry
Carlyle,
so
seeing
as
yours
was
the
one
that
met
the
earliest
councilor
Khalil,
do
you
want
to
give
us
a
brief
update?
Please.
F
F
We
had
a
meeting
of
the
finance
and
economy
working
group
earlier
in
the
in
the
summer,
and
there
was
only
one
item
on
that
which
was
to
discuss
the
exec
board
report
on
options
for
climate
Finance,
so
that
came
out
of
the
white
paper
from
the
full
council
meeting
in
January
requesting
to
provide
a
report
on
green
municipal
bonds
and
Community
Mutual
Investments,
and
then
obviously
that
that
white
paper
resolved
to
to
produce
a
report
to
executive
board.
F
So
we
had
a
look
around
that
some
really
really
positive
figures
in
what
was
there.
One
of
the
highlights
was
that
the
council
has
spent
now
half
a
billion
pounds
over
the
last
five
years
in
various
projects
to
reduce
carbon
emissions
and
and
for
climate
mitigation
and
the
summary
of
the
report,
so
that
went
to
Executive
Board
in
July,
as
noted.
So
if
anyone
wants
to
look
it
up,
it'll
be
available
to
to
read
on
on
the
exec
board
in
July's
papers
and
minutes.
F
It
summarized
really
that
green
municipal
bonds
or
community
community
Mutual
Investments
may
be
something
we
want
to
look
at
in
the
future.
But
to
date
there
wasn't
a
specific
project
that
that
we
had
saw
that
they
could
be
aimed
about
I,
don't
know
if
Polly
wants
to
come
in
further
on
on
any
of
that.
After,
in
the
terms
of
the
detail,
we
then
had
a
good
discussion
about
what
other
items
we'd
want
to
see
come
to
that
working
group
in
the
future
chair.
F
So
there's
a
bit
of
a
discussion
around
sustainable
procurement
and
getting
a
another
update
on
that
which
we
heard
obviously
from
Mariano
earlier
whether
we
could
have
some
more
discussions
with
local
finance
companies.
You
know
leads
Building,
Society,
Yorkshire,
Bank
Etc
around
what
they're
doing
in
this
area
and
and
green
finance
options
that
that
they
can
promote
locally
and
I
think
we
were
Keen
to
have
another
update
from
the
green
Finance
Institute
on
on
some
of
the
work
that
they're
doing.
F
There
was
a
bit
of
a
conversation
around
skills
as
well,
because,
obviously
it's
economy
and
skills
working
group
and
skills
we're
going
to
talk
a
bit
later
on
today,
around
installation
of
heat
pumps,
Etc
and
one
of
the
problems
there
is
making
sure
we've
got
enough
people
with
the
skills
to
develop
all
the
options
that
we
need
to
remove
carbon
from
the
various
systems
that
we've
got
so
I
think
going
into
skills
is
something
we
really
want
to
do
to
look
at
how
we
tackle
that
and
hear
from
what
the
city
council
are
doing
along
with
our
colleagues
in
there
in
in
the
skills
teams
there
to
see
how
we
can
tackle
some
of
those
gaps
a
bit
of
an
update
there.
B
Okay,
so
in
that
case,
thank
you
for
sharing
that
as
always,
and
thank
you
for
your
contribution
today.
So
let's
go
over
to
councilor
Anderson
for
biodiversity,
food
and
waste
update.
Please.
D
All
right,
we
discussed
Community
growing
challenges
and
opportunities,
because
there
are
significant
challenges,
for
example,
in
terms
of
land
use.
There
is
no
unified
mechanism
within
the
council
for
actually
recording
what
land
is
used
for.
What
and
different
directorates
have
a
different
way
of
approaching
this,
so
we
need
to
try
and
come
up
with
either
a
unified
way
of
dealing
with
it
or
to
issue
instructions
to
various
departments
as
to
how
we
expect
this
to
be
dealt
with
now.
D
Coming
from
that,
we
do
need
to
get
some
flexibility
built
into
it,
because
one
or
two
organizations
have
tried
to
use
the
land,
but
they
keep
coming
up
against.
Well,
I'll
call
Council
official
done
getting
in
the
way
of
good
ideas,
because
members
of
the
public
just
cannot
grow
up
with
bureaucracy.
They
just
want
to
get
on
with
it.
They're
not
really
too
bothered
about
I
mean
the
example
we
talked
about
was
getting
legal
agreement
signed.
D
Look,
they
just
want
to
get
on
and
do
it,
but
we
want
to
spend
time
making
sure
that
every
Dot
and
comma
in
terms
of
legal
agreement
we
want.
We
also
want
to
try
and
come
up
with
individual
legal
agreements.
No,
let's
just
come
up
with
a
standard
legal
agreement
that
people
can
use
on
Council
land
and
move
it
forward
from
there.
We
also
discussed
about
the
mapping
of
assets
again,
there's
no
map
of
all
Leeds
city
council
assets.
D
There
are
various
maps
of
various
things,
but
there
is
no
combined
map
bringing
it
all
together.
So
we
need
to
look
at
in
bloom
land.
We
need
to
look
at
where
our
trees
planted.
We
need
to
look
at
whether
it's
public
open
space.
We
need
to
have
an
asset
register
so
that
we
can
see
where
everything
is
and
how
we
can
utilize
that
a
lot
better
in
terms
of
biodiversity.
There
are
a
number
of
challenges,
because
some
members
of
the
public
don't
understand
why
we
have
got
World
medals
in
various
locations.
D
D
If
we
keep,
if
you
have
windfall,
for
example,
ex-counselor
illingworth
I
know
producer,
is
a
heck
of
a
lot
of
fruit
and
veg
at
his
house.
He
tries
to
use
a
lot
of
it
himself,
but
he
does
have
some
excess
left
over.
So
how
do
we
utilize
that?
How
can
we
get
a
hold
of
that?
How
can
we
find
a
collection
point
so
that
everybody
who's
got
windfall
in
their
Garden
from
fruit
trees?
How
can
that
be
collected
up
taken
to
a
central
location?
D
What
happens
if
someone
is
producing
something
of
a
good
quality
but
they're,
actually
producing
more
than
they
need
locally?
How
do
we
get
it?
So
the
example
given
was
seacroft
could
almost
certainly
use
any
of
that
excess.
But
how
do
we
physically
get
it
to
them?
Is
there
a
collection
point,
so
we
need
to
look
at
how
we're
going
to
deal
with
surplus
food,
and
the
final
thing
we
looked
at
were
allotments.
D
We
need
more
allotments
in
the
city,
but
we
don't
necessarily
need
the
size
of
allotments
that
the
council
currently
operates
in
your
lease.
So
we
need
to
look
and
see
if
we
can
get
smaller
numbers
now.
How
can
we
go
about
dealing
with
some
of
those
issues?
For
example,
you
know
they
could
Community
committees
purchase
some
land
using
sill
monies
or
some
other
form
and
then
convert
them
into
allotments.
Where
would
that
land
come
from?
D
Is
it
going
to
be
from
Council
land,
because
a
lot
of
the
council
land
that
we
would
like
our
planners
have
got
their
bdis
on
it?
There's
potential
housing
sites
or
employment
sites,
so
we've
got
a
problem
there
in
some
other
parts
of
the
city,
we're
looking
to
try
and
install
solar
Farms,
you
know
sometimes
an
agricultural
area.
So
what's
the
best
use
of
this
land,
we
need
to
have
a
open
and
honest
debate
about
how
we're
going
to
move
that
that
particular
thing
forward.
D
How
can
we
build
in
with
neighborhood
plan
groups
because
they
become
more
and
more
popular,
not
just
in
the
outer
areas
of
the
city,
but
the
inner
city
areas
are
getting
more
and
more
neighborhood
plans.
Have
they
identified
sites
within
there?
Do
they
have
maps
that
we
could
get
hold
of?
That
would
help
bring
all
this
mapping
together
and
should
we
look,
for
example,
I
sort
of
share
my
garden.
There
are
some
people
who
have
got
large
Gardens,
but
don't
have
the
means
to
currently
do
any
working
anymore.
D
Unfortunately,
Anna
domini
has
taken
over
and
they
can't
do
it
as
much
there's,
maybe
not
both
so
could
some.
Could
we
have
some
mechanism
for
people
to
join
in
with
that
person?
Do
the
hard
work
and
in
return,
be
able
to
get
some
of
the
fruits
of
that
labor,
not
metaphorically
as
well.
So
there's
going
to
be
more
comprehensive
notes
coming
out
because
we'll
learn
to
meet
them
on
Friday.
D
So
for
you
to
read,
but
that's
given
you
a
flavor
of
the
direction,
it
was
a
really
good
meeting,
even
though
I
say
so
myself,
but
there
was
a
lot
discussed
a
lot
of
issues
raised
and
certainly
the
next
day
when
I'm
one
I
would
suggest
that
you
clear
your
Diaries
so
that
we
can
have
these
ongoing
debates
and
discussions
as
well.
That's
it.
B
Thank
you
very
much,
councilor
I
understand
and
an
excellent
summary.
I
I
have
to
agree
any
questions
or
comments
on
biodiversity
and
food
working
group.
B
Okay,
well,
as
counselor
Anderson
said,
it
was
only
on
on
Friday
and
I.
Think
we've
raised
as
I
hope
you
got
a
flavor
of
in
in
the
summary,
an
awful
lots
of
things
that
we
could
be
looking
at.
So
I
would
Echo
councilor
Anderson's
suggestion
that
when
the
group
meets
next,
you
all
come
along
and
can
feed
into
that
discussion,
because
I
think
it's
really
really
important
and
it's
relevant
to
all
of
us.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
B
M
Sure
thanks
a
lot
yeah,
yes,
I
have
a
presentation
which
the
first
half
will
cover
the
Net
Zero
homes
plan
is
similar
to
a
paper
you
sent
rounds
or
just
rattled
through
that
and
then
the
second
half
a
presentation
is
focusing
on
air
source
heat
pumps
just
to
try
and
have
a
discussion
on
some
issues
that
we're
conscious
are
about
to
arise
with
installing
heat
pumps,
but
as
a
quick
introduction,
I'm
George,
Manson,
I
work
in
Holly's
team,
so
I
lead
our
district
heating
work
and
and
Retreat,
and
it's
very
interested
in
cancer
in
Worth's
comments
on
on
District
heating.
M
M
B
M
So
it's
roughly
what
I'm
planning
to
go
through
today.
So
just
a
quick
update
on
our
Net
Zero
homes,
plan
I'll
go
through
kind
of
three
areas
at
a
time
and
then
pause
for
any
any
comments
just
to
keep
it
keep
it
moving
along
and
then
there's
more
of
a
substantive
discussion
on
air
source
heat
I'm,
really
looking
at
the
barriers
to
installation
that
we're
currently
facing
and
then
having
a
look
at
a
couple
of
options
which
are
open
to
us
and
very
interested
in
your
views
on
on
those
options.
M
So
I
will
rattle
through
the
Net
Zero
homes
plan
and
just
a
reminder
of
what
we're
attempting
to
do.
We
want
to
go
for
more
of
the
homes
on
the
right
get
rid
of
the
the
finished
homes
on
the
left.
It's
ultimately
what
we're
trying
to
do:
insulate
properties
inputs
and
Renewables
on
and
low
carbon
low
carbon
heating.
M
So
we
set
ourselves
when,
when
the
last
climate
emergency
report
went
to
exec
board,
we
set
ourselves
up
with
a
net
zero
home
plan,
which
picks
kind
of
six
main
areas
that
we
want
to
focus
on,
to
try
to
move
move
ourselves
forward
in
terms
of
creating
the
the
right
environment
for
all
of
our
homes
to
become
Net
Zero
within
some
of
those
areas.
We
then
set
specific
actions
that
we
would
try
to
achieve
by
certain
dates,
and
so
this
just
gives
a
quick,
quick
update
on
on
our
progress
with
those.
M
So
the
first
first
main
areas
is
trying
to
create
a
a
way
of
retrofitting
homes
to
be
able
to
pay
sector
so
creating
a
retro
Hub
and
a
finance
mechanism
and
we're
committed
that
by
the
end
of
the
2023
would
have
establishment
or
the
Better
Homes
Hub,
which
would
then
allow
us
to
commence
delivery
of
this
within
one
Community.
M
We've
been
working
closely
with
and
with
Lloyds
and
octopus
over
the
last
year
or
so,
and
they've
now
jointly
committed
to
invest
in
a
privately
run,
One-Stop
shop
within
Leeds,
with
leads
sitting
on
a
on
a
partnership
board.
For
that
to
reduce
formalizer
an
mou
within
the
next
month
or
so
and
octopus
is
now
advertised
for
the
cheap
exec's
job
for
that
organization.
We
think
there's
a
real
coup
for
leads
that
we've
got
the
progress
that
are
coming
in
and
investing
in
this.
M
The
council
can
support
them,
but
we
don't
have
to
take
the
risk
and
we
don't
have
the
financial
obligations
around
setting
up
a
One-Stop
shops.
We
will
get
to
deliver
our
policy
intents
without
having
to
without
having
to
take
some
of
the
more
difficult
decisions
we
would
have
had
to
otherwise
and
then
link
to
that
we'd
committed
that
by
the
end
of
2024,
to
create
some
new
property
linked
Finance
products
as
a
means
to
allow
people
to
invest
in
their
homes
without
an
upfront
cost.
M
The
interestingly,
with
property
link
Finance
product,
is
that
the
product
stays
with
the
property
rather
than
the
person.
So
when
people
move
homes
move
house,
then
that
stays
on
the
property
and
whoever
then
benefits
from
the
Energy
Efficiency
works
is
a
person
who's
living
in
that
house
and
paying
the
long-term
cost
of
that
that
work.
M
So
we
were
the
only
local
authority
to
secure
funds
from
the
Green
Home
Finance
accelerator
and
working
alongside
Lloyds
and
Arab.
We've
been
doing
some
detailed
Research
into
this
looking
at
appetites
for
so
the
finance
products
and
also
looking
at
how
we
link
it
in
with
smart
tariffs
to
maximize
benefits
to
householders.
M
The
conclusion
that
we've
come
to
is
that
we
are
likely
to
need
a
change
to
primary
legislation
to
launch
a
fully
fledged
property
linked
Finance
products,
which
is
it's
going
to
take
time,
but
we've
identified
that
we
can
create
a
pseudo
property
link
Finance,
where
we
link
the
right
organization
called
lendology.
M
We
provide
zero
cost
upfront
cost
to
householders,
and
we
don't
ask
for
that
money
back
until
the
property
is
is
sold,
so
it
allows
us
to
test
some
of
the
some
of
the
some
of
the
details
around
plf
while
we're
dealing
with
what
we
need
to
have
to
do
at
a
national
level.
M
We're
also
planning
to
bid
to
to
government
for
the
next
round
of
the
Green
Home
Finance
accelerator,
looking
to
secure
just
over
a
million
pounds.
We
think
to
try
this
to
trial
Finance
products
in
a
live
environment
through
the
One-Stop
shop
and
we've
heard
positive
things
back
from
government.
So
we
are
hopeful
that
we
will
secure
that
funding.
M
The
next
main
area
was
engaging
and
motivating
people
to
choose
low
carbon
retrofit.
So
part
of
our
work
we
did
with
the
Green
Home
Finance
accelerator
was
to
do
some
detailed
work
looking
at
attitudes
and
how
to
persuade
people
to
pick
up
retrofit.
So
a
lot
of
it
is
about
positioning
where
we
think
that
moving
away
from
some
of
the
kind
of
old
messaging
around.
If
you
invest
this,
you
will
say
that
which
hasn't
always
resonated
with
people.
M
It
would
focus
more
on
the
benefits
to
people
through
increased
Comfort,
increased
property
values
and
linking
it
to
things
which
kind
of
make
more
sense
to
people
in
their
kind
of
everyday
life,
we're
likely
to
have
a
better
uptake
level.
So
what
happens?
What
we've
done
here,
working
with
the
West
George,
combined
Authority
they're,
looking
to
set
up
a
service
which
provides
this
level
of
advice
right
across
the
the
region,
so
we're
making
again
good
progress
on
that
objective.
M
The
next
one
was
really
building
on
the
work
that
we've
done
in
in
holbeck,
so
trying
to
upscale
area
renewal
Investments
to
kick-start
work
on
homes
of
all
10
years.
We
put
a
bit
as
a
counsel
in
for
leveling
up
funding
for
a
whole
bit
of
phase
three,
which
was
unsuccessful.
M
We've
been
working
in
the
background
to
try
and
find
a
way
to
to
keep
going
with
that
that
work
and
we've
had
positive
discussions
with
civil
servants
and
ministers
around.
You
know
what
we've
done
in
Leeds
in
holbeck
and
how
it
could
be
applied
nationally
to
avoid
the
situation
where
things
like
the
social
housing
decarbonization
fund
only
picks
up
on
Council
homes.
M
So
you
have
this
crazy
street
scene
where
some
of
the
homes
have
been
done
and
then
a
whole
load
haven't,
and
so
we've
heard
a
whisper
that
there
will
be
a
a
scheme
announced
in
the
awesome
statement
in
November
that
we'll
be
focusing
on
area-based
retrofit.
M
So
we
started
doing
some
work
with
colleagues
in
housing
leads
and
some
of
our
contractors
to
look
at
getting
ourselves
ready
with
a
some
fact-to-back
Council
homes
and
some
private
private
back-to-back
homes
that
we
can
put
forward
as
a
as
a
single
bid
to
this
funding
funding
pot.
So
we're
doing
that
survey
work
as
we
as
we
speak
and
I'll
I'll
pause
there
and
just
see
if
there
are
any
questions
or
comments
on
those
first
report.
Do
all
the
next
three.
C
B
B
M
Will
crack
on
so
next
one
was
improving
our
planning
framework
to
and
engaging
with
the
industry
to
ensure
new
homes,
reach
zero
Net
Zero
standards.
I
think
at
the
last
meeting
had
an
update
from
Adam
Harvard
about
what
we're
doing
with
our
our
core
strategy.
It's
making
really
good
progress.
What
we've
put
into
that
core
strategy
is
is
really
quite
National.
National
leading
work
so
I
think
that
is
making
making
adequate
progress
through
its
through
its
various
approval
stages.
M
If
you
have
any
queries
on
it,
we
can
pick
up
with
with
Adam
later
then
we're
moving
into
two,
the
final
two,
or
more
and
kind
of
creating
the
right
sum
environment
slightly
longer
term.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
committed
to
is
trying
to
Zone
the
city
to
look
at
what
the
most
suitable
fabric
improvements
were
and
eating
improvements
were
by
neighborhood,
so
taking
into
account
what
they're,
Built
For
What.
The
property
is
like
what
the
demographics
are
like
in
in
different
areas
to
look
at.
M
How
can
we
then
deliver
area-based
initiatives?
We've
been
doing
quite
a
lot
of
work
with
parity
projects
and
the
energy
saving
trust.
To
start
to
develop
this
this
map,
and
it's
something
that
the
West
Yorkshire
combined,
Authority
and
now
planning
to
do
a
local
area,
energy
plan
for
all
of
the
West
Yorkshire
authorities,
so
that
effectively
will
give
us
the
what
we're
looking
for
here
and
the
importance
of
this
really
is
to
to
help
kind
of
guide
us
strategically.
M
M
And
then
the
final
one
is
trying
to
expand
green
job
skills
and
Supply
chains
to
meet
the
demands.
M
So
internally
we're
doing
a
lot
of
good
stuff
on
this
trying
to
link
up
what
we
are,
the
companies
that
we're
working
with
the
contracts
and
working
with
through
our
procurement
process
to
make
sure
they
pick
up
on
apprenticeships
and
the
like.
The
workshops.
Combined
authorities
has
got
this
as
one
of
their
their
main
priorities
to
continue
to
work
with
them.
M
We
don't
have
a
clear
progress
report
on
on
that
yet,
but
we
do
continue
to
engage,
but
there
are
some
really
encouraging
sort
of
points
coming
forward
from
some
of
the
companies
that
we're
that
we're
working
with,
where
they're
very
keen
to
engage
with
lead
city
council,
so
that
we
can
help
them
to
recruit
people
with
the
the
skills
they
need
or
to
get
people
into
employment
on
the
lower
skilled
elements
work.
M
So
this
isn't
quite
quite
encouraging
steps
forward.
There
again
I'll
pause
for
any
any
comments
or
questions
on
those.
B
N
Shuffling
microphones
again,
just
again
as
a
member
of
the
West
Church,
you
can
bind
Authority
employment
and
skills
committee
if
I
can
be
involved
in
that
discussion
in
any
way.
Please
let
me
know
if
I
can
be
of
any
support
or
help
thanks.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
to
anybody
else
with
any
comments.
Any
questions
that'd
be
really
helpful.
Council
Thompson,
thank
you.
I
have
just
a
comment
from
me
really
about
how
important
this
developing
skills
work
is.
Yeah
I've
been
in
several
meetings
and
workshops
over
the
last
year,
where
it's
raised
as
a
real
problem.
B
You
know
that
that
people
are
fitting
new
technology
like
heat
pumps
and
they're,
fine
when
they
work,
but
when
they
don't
find
in
somebody
who
understands
the
technology
enough
to
be
able
to
to
sort
the
problem
out
is
really
difficult
and,
as
a
council
we're
now
using
a
lot
more
of
that
technology,
aren't
we
I've
visited
a
site
in
seacroft
just
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
and
all
the
new
houses
have
heat
pumps,
so
I,
just
just
to
say,
I,
think.
That's
really
really
important
work
before
we
find
ourselves
in
a
in
a
difficult
situation.
B
M
Okay,
so
I
will
now
go
on
to
the
second
half
of
the
presentation,
which
is
I'll,
get
it
to
move
on
yeah,
focusing
on
on
air
source
heat
pumps.
So
the
the
background
to
this
is
we.
We
know
that
if
we're
going
to
get
to
our
Net
Zero
targets,
we've
got
to
move
away
from
from
gas
heating,
there's
a
lot
of
policy
coming
out
of
central
government,
which
is
encouraging
us
to
move
to
s
or
seat
pumps
or
other
low
carbon
low
carbon
heating
sources
within
within
Leeds.
M
Unfortunately,
we've
got
the
district
heating
Network,
which
has
the
potential
to
to
expand
and
use
other
Technologies
kind
of
lower
lower
temperature
Technologies
to
provide
heating
solution
to
denser
areas
of
housing.
But
there
are
bits
of
bits
of
leads,
particularly
in
the
kind
of
suburban
and
more
rural
areas,
where
we're
never
going
to
have
any
District
heating
that
work,
so
we're
going
to
need
to
have
an
alternative
need,
source
and
air
source
heat
pumps
are
good
and
there
are
more
affordable
some
of
the
other
Technologies.
M
And
if
the,
if
the
home
is
relatively
well
insulated,
they
provide
a
good
good
quality
of
heat
where
we've
installed
SOC
pumps
on
some
of
our
projects,
like
the
Wholesales
they've,
been
universally
accepted
by
the
tenants
and
people
appreciate.
Moving
away
from
storages,
particularly
onto
heat
pumps
is
a
good
thing,
even
where
it
would
change
gas
boilers
to
heat
pumps.
They
they
have
still
been
still
being
popular,
but
there
are
some
issues
on
the
horizon
in
terms
of
installing
heat
pumps,
the
the
main
the
main
issue
is.
M
That
is
the
lead-in
time.
If
you
want
to
change
your
boiler,
if
it
goes
bang,
you
can
call
up
a
gas
engineer
and
have
your
boiler
change
tomorrow.
If
you
want
to
change
from
a
gas
boiler
to
an
air,
so
it's
heat
pump.
Sometimes
you
need
to
have
approval
from
the
dno
from
northern
power
grid,
and
sometimes
you
need
to
seek
full
planning
permission
to
have
a
have
an
air
source
unput
in
which
turns
it
from
kind
of
an
overnight
decision.
M
If
there's
something
that
could
take
up
to
three
months
to
to
have
installed
so
clearly,
people
are
not
going
to
wait.
Three
months
to
have
a
new
heat
Source
into
their
into
their
homes.
So
it's
something
we
need
to
try
and
try
and
think
about
how
we
can
address
that
so
I'll
just
run
through
some
of
the
key
points
in
this
in
this
presentation,
I've
got
to
be
honest.
This
is
something
that
octopus
presented
to
to
me
a
month
or
month
or
so
back.
M
It's
not
my
presentation
and
but
I
will
do
my
best
to
pick
up
on
the
key
key
points
with
you,
so
just
kind
of
run
through
the
the
kind
of
issues
around
planning,
which
is,
we
think,
probably
the
biggest
issue
around
adoption.
M
The
the
fact
that
planning
rules
make
it
harder
to
buy
a
heat
pump.
There
are
restrictions
on
noise,
proximity
to
boundaries
and
the
size
of
heat
pumps,
which
are
just
very
restrictive,
but
they're
not
uniformly
applied
by
councils.
Leeds
is
is
good,
but
there's
a
number
of
councils
that
are
more
stringent
and
interestingly
air
conditioning
units,
don't
have
any
noise
restrictions
or
similar
restrictions
and
air
source
heat
pumps
are
basically
air
conditioning
units
running
backwards
and
Connie
just
asks
people
to
be
considerate.
M
If
they're
putting
air
conditioning
units
in
whereas
they're
very
stringent
rules
on
on
air,
SRC
pumps,
so
I'm
going
to
run
through
these
three
issues,
the
noise,
Limits
The,
Boundary
limits
and
the
size
limits
and
then
have
a
discussion
with
all
of
you
about
some
options
that
we
could.
We
could
pick
up
going
forwards.
M
So
two
examples
of
heating
systems
that
we
work
in
more
rural
areas.
One
is
an
external
oil
boiler,
it's
dirty,
it's
large,
it's
noisy
and
doesn't
have
any
any
requirements.
The
other
is
an
air
source
heat
pump,
which
is
smaller,
uses
less
energy,
produces
fewer
emissions,
both
CO2
and
carcinogens,
and
is
smaller
and
does
have
planning
permissions
requirements.
So
we
think
that
is
fundamentally
flawed
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
policy
intent.
M
So
in
detail,
the
Town
and
Country
planning
act
defines
the
noise
standards
for
for
heat
pumps
and
it's
basically
measured
at
the
nearest
neighbor's
window
and
can't
be
more
than
42
decibels
of
the
nearest
neighbor's
window.
M
The
analysis
that
octopus
did
in
terms
of
their
customers,
they
had
a
survey
of
808
heat
pump,
installs
of
those
808
27
required
commission
and
the
vast
majority
of
those
22.5
had
issues
with
with
noise
levels
where
they
then
had
to
seek
full
planner
permission
for
for
the
install.
In
addition,
there
were
35,
more
customers
who
just
didn't
even
proceed
with
the
idea
of
having
a
heat
pump
installed,
purely
because
they
thought
there
might
be
issues
with
with
planning.
So
there's
a
huge
dropout
rate
right
at
the
very
beginning.
M
Interestingly,
of
all,
those
that
had
to
seek
Planning
Commission
over
90
were
eventually
granted
Planning
Commission,
which
suggests
that
it's
just
bureaucracy
and
the
vast
majority
of
them
are
fine,
but
they
just
have
to
go
through
the
have
to
go
through
the
hurdles,
and
this
is
you
know,
eight
weeks
plus
of
time
and
ties
up
some
of
our
officer
time
in
terms
of
dealing
with
these,
these
planning
planning
requests.
M
So
yeah
I'm
going
to
skip
over
this
one,
the
to
the
solutions
that
are
being
proposed
are
to
increase
the
the
boundary
the
noise
threshold
of
47
decibels
from
42.
M
and
then
the
two
which
I
think
are
at
least
controversial,
are
to
move
rules
around
the
heat
pump,
speed
within
one
meter,
property
boundary
and
remove
the
size
limits
on
on
heat
pumps
and
I'll
just
illustrate
those
a
little
bit
more
and
so
noise.
This
graph
here
just
shows
where
heat
pumps
fall
in
the
in
the
categorization
of
noise,
so
42
decibels
is
below
that
of
a
refrigerator
hum,
which
is
around
50.,
so
between
Birdsong
and
a
refrigerator
hum
is
the
the
noise
that
is
the
current
noise
limit
for
heat
pumps.
M
M
So
that
seems
to
have
disappeared
slightly
off
my
screen,
and-
and
this
just
illustrates
some
of
the
issues
with
with
the
noise
and
heat
pumps
at
47
decibels-
is
about
5.1
meters
at
42
decibels
at
about
9.6
meters
into
a
neighbor's
window
which
drives
some
really
peculiar
location
issues
in
terms
of
where
heat
pumps
are
are
then,
are
then
located.
M
We
send
leads
us
on
to
to
boundaries.
At
the
moment,
you
can't
put
a
heat
pump
within
one
meter
of
a
boundary
without
seeking
planning
permission,
even
if
it's
completely
hidden
by
a
shed
or
a
fence
line.
M
And
then
the
final
issues
around
size,
so
as
with
a
lot
of
Technology
you're
fighting
to
do
a
whole
range
of
different
things,
to
try
to
improve
the
efficiency
of
energy
conversion,
you're
trying
to
constrain
sound
levels
and
for
an
arbitrary
reason,
you're
also
trying
to
constrain
size.
Whereas
if
heat
pumps
are
allowed
to
be
bigger,
they
can
run
with
larger
fans
that
operate
more
slowly
and
therefore
drop
the
noise.
That's
coming
out
from
the
system
and
improve
their
efficiency.
M
M
But
there
is
a
change
in
the
design
of
heat
pumps,
so
from
I.
Think
2025
has
been
industry
wide
switch
away
from
the
more
polluting
refrigerant
to
a
Greener
refrigerant,
which
just
operates
in
a
different
way.
So
there's
an
industry-wide
push
for
larger
heat
pumps
to
allow
this
new
refrigerant
to
work,
work
better,
which
is
going
to
cause
issues
even
for
some
of
those
smaller,
smaller
properties.
M
It's
almost
there,
so
that
is
kind
of
an
outline
of
the
the
issues
that
we're
that
we're
facing.
But
the
moment
we're
not
getting
lots
of
applications
coming
through
for
partly
because
of
those
barriers,
partly
because
it's
still
a
new
technology,
but
we
think
there
will
be
a
significant
increase
in
people
wanting
to
do
a
Soc
pumps
over
the
next
few
years.
M
It
takes
around
nine
months
to
to
go
through
the
consultation
process
once
you've
develop
the
the
the
detail
of
the
order
and
we
are
struggling
with
resourcing
and
planning
at
the
moment,
but
I
think
it
is
just
something
that
is
worth
considering
and
considering
whether
that's
something
you
want
to
do
or
whether
we
should
really
be
lobbying
for
National
policy
changes.
So
my
final
slide
I
promise.
M
You
is
just
one
where
I'm
just
really
welcome
some
discussions
about
anything
that
encourages
now
and
specifically
focusing
on
these
sort
of
four
five
or
six
questions
here.
Is
this
something
that
we
think
is
an
issue?
And
if
so,
what
is
our
appetite
to
do
something
about
it?.
B
B
B
B
B
Sorry:
yes!
Yes!
Yes!
Yes,
that's
just
what
I
was
going
to
do,
but
I
was
just
wondering
whether
people
wanted
to
do
it
line
by
line
on
the
slide
or
whether
you
wanted
to
have
a
general
discussion.
But
in
the
absence
of
any
strong
opinions,
can
we
George
just
leave
this
slide
up
so
that
people
can
see
the
questions
that
you'd
like
us
to
discuss,
but
I'll
open
it
up
for
comments
in
general,
but
preferably
that
deal
with
these
questions?
That
George
has
asked
us
to
look
at
okay
and
councilor
Hanan
you're.
First.
I
It
sounds
like
you
and
the
city
would
benefit
from
it,
and
I've
just
got
one
question:
I'm
not
too
familiar
with
how
these
systems
work,
but
one
thing
I
would
like
to
know
is:
how
does
it
perform
in
poor
weather
when
it's
the
ground,
there's
ground,
frost
on
the
snow?
How
would
it
Source
the
heat
from
that
into
homes
and
has
it
been
proven
and
tested?
M
Yeah
so
I
I'm
I'm,
not
a
technical
expert
but
I
I
can
get
some
way
to
answer
your
question
so
effectively.
They.
They
are
very
similar
to
an
S
to
a
air
conditioning
unit
where
but
running
in
Reverse,
so
they
take
ambient
heat
in
the
environment
and
then
upgrade
it
via
a
refrigerant
system
to
produce
useful
heat
in
your
home,
and
so
typically
they
run
at
a
much
lower
temperature
than
the
gas
boilers.
M
You
need
slightly
bigger,
slightly
bigger
radiators
and
and
they
do
run
best
when
it's
above
freezing
you
get
more
energy
out
of
that
kind
of
Ambient
Energy
you
see.
So
basically
you
put
electricity
through
them
and
then
it
upgrades
that
upgrades
the
heat
as
it
as
the
temperature
drops
away.
M
Then
they
do
have
to
work
harder
to
get
that
ambient
heat
and
put
it
into
the
home,
but
they
do
still
operate
even
when
it's
you
know
Sub-Zero,
but
it
just
is
more
expensive
for
those
those
times
and
they
they
are
tried
and
tested.
They've
been
in
operation
for
a
good
number
of
years.
Now
the
key
thing
is
having
quite
a
well-insulated
home
so
that
they
don't
have
to
work
really
hard
to
get
that
energy
that
you
need
to
keep
the
home
warm.
I
Thank
you
very
much
George,
just
one
final
bit,
I
forgot
to
add.
So
if
this
is
replacing
a
gas
central
heat
in,
are
we
expecting
like
for
like
or
is
there
a
slight
difference
in
how
heat
generates
quickly
or
does
it
take
longer,
and
these
are
the
questions
we
might
get
from
people
that
might
want
to
think
about
installing
these
yeah.
M
Again,
it's
a
really
good
question.
If,
if
you're
moving
away
from
a
gas
boiler,
then
it
is
it's
a
different
sort
of
heating
system,
so
they
they
operate
at
a
lower
temperature.
So
generally
what
you?
What
you
do,
if
you
had
a
new
build,
is
you'd
put
underfloor
heating
in
so
you
have
them
running
at
a
low
level,
all
the
time
putting
heat
into
the
into
the
fabric
of
the
building.
Where
there's
a
radiator
system.
It's
it's
a
similar
principle.
They
operated
a
at
a
low
level.
M
Almost
all
the
time
you
kind
of
set
them
just
to
run
at
a
very
low
level,
keeping
the
home
warm
rather
than
with
a
gas
boil.
You
can
turn
it
on
and
it
almost
almost
instantly.
It
starts
kicking
out.
You
know
very
hot
heat
from
the
from
the
radiators,
so
there's
an
education
piece
with
with
people
to
make
sure
they
operate
them
correctly.
M
But
where
we've
put
in
ground
Source
heat
pumps
with
tenants
who
used
to
have
storage
heaters,
they've
really
welcomed
having
the
new
new
heat
pumps
and
they've,
much
prefer
the
sort
of
Heat
and
the
controllability
rather
than
the
storage
heaters.
B
Thank
you,
George
Council
Hannah,
any
more
questions.
D
The
I,
don't
wanna,
be
a
problem
here,
but
the
national
energy
action
run
a
course
and
exam
actually
recently,
which
I
took
part
in
and
they've
raised,
significant
concerns
about
this
method
of
heating,
for
example,
they
would
recommend
that
ground,
Source
heat
pumps
which
draw
their
heat
from
the
ground,
are
more
efficient
than
air
source
heat
pumps
because,
as
has
been
said
when
the
temperature
drops-
and
we
do
have
a
problem
with
temperatures
in
some
parts
of
the
city,
this
can
lead
to
higher
costs
over
the
winter
period.
D
And
also
the
size
of
the
heat
pump
that
people
are
being
sold
by
some
of
these
companies,
because
an
oversized
heat
one
pump
can
cost
you
more.
You
don't
necessarily
get
an
increase
on
it,
and
undersizing
means
that
you
could
really,
because,
if
you've
set
yourself
a
budget
and
try
to
replace
it
white
for
light,
it
can
sometimes
come
out.
For
example,
a
heat
pump
works
hard
to
get
room
up
to
temperature.
D
It
draws
a
lot
of
popular
of
power,
initially
warm
to
a
warm
room,
but
then
draws
less
to
maintain
it,
and
so
people
don't
like
having
their
heating
on
all
the
time,
because
they
feel
that
they're
wasting
energy
because
we've
got
other
people.
So
what
George
was
saying
is
we
need
to
probably
make
sure
that
people
are
insulating
their
properties.
D
First
of
all,
because
people
tend
to
come
in
turn
the
heating
up
when
they
come
in
from
work,
and
that
means
the
system's
inefficient
and
actually
does
cost
them
more
in
which
to
do
and
the
other
thing
from
an
aesthetic
point
of
view,
it's
a
whole
life
raft
of
other
ones,
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
them
all.
Is
that
they're
a
lot
of
people
who
use
them
don't
like
them,
because
they
don't
have
anything
with
a
glow
on
it?
D
There
is
a
psychological
issue
where
they
were
coming
up
with
and
they're,
so
that
so
to
answer
that
what
they're
doing
is
manufacturers
are
now
coming
up
with
a
with
a
glow
effect
thing:
it's
just
psychological
for
people.
They
turn
their
heat
up
because
they
don't
see
a
glow.
So
they
turn
it
up
and
it
is
proving
inefficient.
That's
what
that's!
What
they've
the
the
exam
that
I've
had
to
sit
recently
was.
The
tutorial
was
all
about.
D
There
was
a
whole
raft
of
other
things
as
well,
but
before
we
answer
those
questions,
I
think
we've
got
to
be
sure
and
I
was
talking
about
the
halt
deals
because
obviously
I'm
100
in
favor
of
what
was
happening
and
they've
said
to
me.
You
need
to
make
sure
that
every
year
you
remind
your
tenants
how
to
operate
your
system
effectively.
Otherwise,
if
the
try
and
go
back
to
old
ways
of
doing
things,
it
will
cost
them
more
in
the
long
term
and
housing
haven't
got
a
process
in
place
for
addressing
that.
M
Yeah,
it's
a
very
interesting
and
kind
of
will
observe
points
points
there.
M
I
think
the
education
piece
is
absolutely
fundamental,
that
it
is
a
different
way
of
doing
things,
but
we're
seeing
people
moving
from
get
a
petrol
diesel
cars
to
electric
cars
and
that's
again,
it's
a
it's
a
lifestyle
Choice,
it's
a
change
of
the
way
that
you
do
things,
but
it's
not
impossible
to
to
do
this
is
this
is
again
something
where
if
people
are
engage
and
understand
how
to
do
it,
then
you
can
change
the
way
people
use
their
use
their
heating
system,
but
you're
right.
M
You
do
need
to
give
them
the
information
tools
to
to
do
it.
The
bigger
issues
around
the
design
and
the
specification,
so
certainly
the
home
needs
to
be
well
insulated
first
and
then.
Secondly,
the
the
system
needs
to
be
designed
to
operate
effectively
and
for
that
particular
home
and
cancer
dies
comments
earlier
about
a
lack
of
skills
is
probably
one
of
the
one
of
the
areas
that
we
do
need
to
focus
on.
D
I,
just
I
just
think
we
need
to
have
a
proper
debate
before
we
start
addressing
some
of
those
issues,
because
it
may
be
that
people
need
larger,
because
if
they
live
in
cold
areas
of
the
city,
they
may
need
larger
ones.
And
that
then,
can
you
set
a
limit
which
planning
can
then
agree
with,
but
you
then
might
find
that
some
people
need
to
get
larger
ones
and
they
then
start
needing
it,
and
it
isn't
necessarily
in
the
shall
we
say
the
more
expensive
areas
that
you
need,
the
bigger
ones.
D
Sometimes
it
can
be
in
the
areas
where
people
themselves
can't
afford
them.
So
all
I
would
do
is
put
a
question
mark
over
getting
this
Clarity
octopus
do
have
some
skin
in
this
game
and
if
we
moved
in
that
direction,
they
will
do
particularly
well
out
of
this.
So
we
need
to
be
sure,
we're
giving
people
proper
advice,
because
we
will
be
blamed
if
we
get
this
wrong,
but
I'm
I'm
happy
to
leave
it
at
that.
C
B
You
thank
you
for
your
points.
Councilor
Thompson.
N
Thank
you,
chair
I
think
we
probably
need
a
Bose
and
both
lobbying
for
legislative
change,
but
also
to
look
at
possible
local
approaches
and
I
would
suggest,
possibly
if
possible,
especially
when
it
comes
to
accessing
funding
for
exploring
it
looking
at
it
to
the
West
Yorkshire
level,
which
would
seem
to
make
sense
if
there
were
agreements
at
a
from
a
widely
perspective.
Thank
you.
M
B
H
Oh
yeah,
something
that
somebody
just
mentioned
there
I
think
was
the
electric
car
analogy
and
I'm
just
wondering
there
might
just
be
a
bit
of
a
danger
where
we
rush
in
to
a
scheme
that
gets
heat
pumps
fitted
into
to
leads
quicker
than
maybe
some
of
the
other
towns
and
cities.
But
are
we
sort
of
still
on
first
generation
heat
pump?
H
So
now
we're
going
to
find
that
we're
going
to
settle
the
people
of
Leeds
with
an
inferior
product
and
that
I
don't
know
seven
or
eight
years
time,
heat
pumps
are
considerably
more
efficient
and
more
effective,
so
I
I
sort
of
come
from
an
industry
that
would
always
be
very
wary
of
entering
into
new
technologies.
They
always
want
to
use,
tried
and
tested
and
I.
Just
wonder
if
this
is
an
example.
H
Why
do
we
want
to
rush
in
I
can
understand
possibly
preparing
the
ground,
but
I'm,
not
convinced
at
the
moment
that
the
technology
is
as
good
as
it
can
get.
M
Yeah,
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
good
point,
avoiding
having
kind
of
dud
technology
we're
no
longer
in
the
first
generation
of
of
heat
pumps.
They
there
have
been
heat
pumps
around
for
decades
now,
and
these
are
now
being
used
right
across
Europe,
and
so
the
main
the
major
manufacturers
are
are
lies.
They've
got
a
lot
of
experiences.
A
lot
of
people
who
manufacture
boilers
for
for
decades
and
decades
are
now
moving
into
into
heat
pump.
M
So
you
can
get
you
know
Weissman
and
Bosch,
and
all
the
kind
of
big
name
boiler
manufacturers
have
got
good
quality
heat
pumps
with
with
appropriate
guarantees
and
warranties
sat
behind
them.
So
I
don't
think.
That's
particularly
an
issue
I
think
it's
not
really
a
case
of
kind
of
rushing.
M
Rushing
in
there's
there's
a
national
move
afoot
here
to
to
change
and
increase
the
the
number
of
heat
pumps
that
are
being
deployed,
both
ground
source
and
air
sort
us,
and
it
I
think
it's
that
kind
of
first
mover
advantage
that
if
we
create
the
right
environment
for
installing
heat
pumps
and
leads,
remember
we're
not
saying
this
will
force
people
to
install
the
heat
pumps.
It
just
makes
it
easier
to
put
them
in.
M
If
you
want
to,
it
will
actually
create
more
of
a
more
of
an
incentive
for
companies
to
locate
their
training
within
leads
to
get
more
contractors
are
able
to
do
this
work
so
I
think
we'll
end
up
in
a
much
stronger
position
than
if
we
just
kind
of
follow
the
follow
the
herd.
O
Yeah
Georgia
says
some
of
the
things
I
was
going
to
say
something.
It's
really
really
important
to
understand.
The
UK
is
in
a
different
position
to
the
rest
of
Europe.
Heat
pumps
have
been
around
for
for
decades
and
Finland,
Norway,
Sweden
and
Estonia,
which
are
some
of
the
coldest
countries,
are
the
ones
using
heat
pumps,
so
I
think
for
us.
O
It
feels
like
a
new
technology,
but
it's
not
and
I
think
that's
really
really
key
in
this
discussion
and
I
think
everything
or
just
Echo
really
what
George
has
said
in
terms
of
the
the
opportunity
for
Leeds
to
actually
be
on
the
front
foot
and-
and
you
know,
although
octopus
have
brought
this
issue
to
us-
it's
an
industry-wide
issue
and
it
will
be
an
absolute
barrier
to
somebody
who
actually
actively
wants
to
change
their
gas
spoiler
to
a
heat
pump.
But
actually
the
gas
boiler
breaks
and
it
takes
too
long
to
get
planning.
B
Thank
you
and
thank
you
Polly
for
those
comments.
Council
of
foster
did
you
have
anything
that
you
wanted
to
add.
H
Not
really
but
I
will
just
sort
of
come
and
say:
I,
don't
see
there
anything
wrong
in
being
part
of
the
herd,
sometimes
there's
an
advantage
to
it.
Sometimes.
F
Many
times
around
heat
pumps
and
other
things,
I
mean
one
of
the
issues
that
we
found
is
that
there
may
not
be
enough
trained
installers
for
the
work
that
we
want
to
do
as
a
council
and
where
we've
been
putting
them
in
places,
and
that's
something
that
I
think
we've
been
really
Keen
not
to
miss
out
on,
as
as
a
a
city
which
has
quite
a
heart
of
manufacturing
and
has
quite
a
lot
of
manufacturing
in
I,
think
it
would
be
good.
F
Were
we
to
be
the
lead
area
for
manufacturing
of
heat
pumps
and
quite
a
lot
of
the
problems
we
see
around
when
we've
been
looking
at
changes
in
planning
policy
have
been
a
lot
of
concern
from
developers
or
house
builders
around
the
fact
that
there
just
isn't
the
industry
behind
a
lot
of
the
products.
We'd
want
them
to
see
in
order
to
to
move
to
more
Renewables,
and
in
many
cases
it
seems.
People
have
been
sticking
with
boilers,
not
I.
F
Think
because
they've
been
necessarily
the
most
reassuring
thing
in
the
that
they're
seeing
as
an
old
technology,
but
just
that
there
needs
to
be
more
of
an
advancement
and
normalization
of
some
of
the
other
types
of
technology
and
I.
F
Think
that's
what
this
may
give
us
the
option
for
and
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
barriers
between
these
schemes,
which
is
why
we
wanted
to
set
up
things
like
the
the
The
Hub
we
talked
about
earlier,
and
it
just
looks
to
me
here
like
we'd,
be
able
to
remove
one
of
those
barriers
in
the
city
which,
to
me
looks
like
a
positive.
There
are
a
lot
of
barriers
there
already.
We
are
just
removing
some
of
the
the
planning
difficulties,
I
guess
a
question
on.
F
It
is
what
what
way
did
we?
We
respond
two
solar
panels
at
first
through
planning.
Obviously
they
must
have
when
they
came
in.
Obviously,
then
they're
not
a
a
large
Boxer
Edition,
but
but
they
do
have
a
a
a
visual
impact.
Obviously
do
we
know
if
there's
anything
we
did
around
that
point
to
make
it
easier
in
planning
policy
and
and
how
it's
moved
on.
F
I
think
this
is
probably
only
the
way
we're
going
and
I've
looked
into
it
myself
from
my
own
house,
and
there
were
just
too
many
unknowns,
probably
that
I
would
look
at
if
this
takes
one
of
them
away.
Then
absolutely.
M
Yes,
it's
a
good
good
question
about
the
solar
solar
panel,
so
it's
going
back
away
now,
but
I
think
there
was
a.
There
was
an
issue
where
they
were
not
permitted
developments
generally.
So
when
we
were
creating
some
of
the
area
action
plans,
we
created
those
area
action
plans
that
are
that
made
solar
panels
permitted
development,
apart
from
particular
a
particular
kind
of
homes
like
listed
buildings
or
or
in
conservation
areas.
But
it
was
a
similar
sort
of
thing
where
yeah
planning
was
planning
was
a
barrier.
M
So
we
decided
to
use
our
planning
policies
as
a
way
to
to
address
that
we'd
probably
be
able
to
do
something
similar
if
we
were
setting
up
any
more
area
action
plans
for
heat
pumps,
but
because
they
only
deal
with
a
bit
of
the
city,
it's
not
as
powerful
as
a
local
development
order,
which
we
could
then
you
know
apply
to
the
to
the
whole
of
the
city.
If
we,
if
we
wanted
to.
B
F
E
Oh
yeah
I'd
just
like
to
to
thank
George
for
his
presentation.
It's
really
it
was
really
comprehensive
and
and
also
I,
think
probably
also
just
recently
highlighted
something
which
was.
Obviously
there
was
real
concerns.
E
If
the
I
think
it
was
wasn't
it
30
of
people,
you
know,
look
into
having
a
a
heat
pump
and
then
not
going
through
it
and
there's
a
you
know
the
concerns
that
actually
the
planning
issues
that
are
are
preventing
that
so
yeah
I,
I
I
think
it's
there's
a
real
benefit
for
us
to
actually
do
take
a
lead
on
this
and
and
and
do
a
development
order
and
yeah
the
idea
that
is
like
you
know
they
might
not
be
efficient.
Now
I
mean
this.
E
There's
always
going
to
be
more
efficiencies
as
as
technologists
develop,
but
I
think
as
it
stands
now,
whilst
there's
a
high
cost
of
like
installation,
I
think
they're
like
three
times
the
heat
pumps
take,
you
know
require
three
times
less
energy
than
a
boiler
does
so
we
they
are
incredibly
efficient
and
I.
Think
there's
many
people
in
Leeds
who
would
would
like
to
get
them
installed
and
I.
E
Think
if
there's
anything
that
we
can
can
do
to
see
that
happen,
that's
definitely
a
great
thing
and
I
think
Peter
car
will
made
a
really
good
point.
I
mean
if
we
can
lead
on
this.
This
gives
a
actual
opportunities
for
manufacturing
and
installation
and
businesses
actually
so
yeah.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
G
Got
there
got
that
ass
yeah,
so
thanks
again
to
those
all
those
who've
done
this
work
and
do
the
presentation.
I
think
this
is
really
I.
G
Think
others
already
touched
on
this,
but
I
do
just
want
to
Echo
it
again
that
like
yeah,
I'm,
I
am
100
all
for
kind
of
pioneering
new
stuff
I
want
I
want
leads
to
be
leading
this
stuff
and
personality
wise
and
I'm
somebody
who
would
prefer
to
take
risks
and
kind
of
Forge
ahead,
but
at
the
same
time
I'm
aware
of
very
tangible
situations
in
the
city
where
large
and
small,
where
pioneering
new
technology
or
technology,
that's
even
new
to
this
country,
even
if
it's
established
in
other
countries
has
been
employed
and
where
there's
just
been
yeah,
there's
been
issues
possibly
in
the
installation
and
so
in
some
cases.
G
Years
and
years
later
we
have
situations,
and
some
of
you
might
know
what
situations
I'm
referring
to
where
there
is
a
piece
of
technology
that
is
broken
and
has
been
broken
for
many
many
years
and
is
causing
issues
or
is
just
redundant
and
useless
and
there's
a
legal
battle
because
nobody's
you
know
the
manufacturers
are
saying
it's
fine
when
we
sent
it
across
you,
the
installers
are
saying
we
did
what
we
were
told
and
the
the
kind
of
the
owners
of
the
properties
and
developments
are
saying
well,
like
somebody
needs
to
do
something
and
everybody
you're
stuck
with
stasis
and
there's
and
more
recently,
there's
yeah,
there's
green
developments
that
have
happened
in
the
city.
G
Where
again,
there's
been
a
real
breakdown
around
the
the
installation
of
new
technologies,
possibly
because
they're,
just
not
well
understood
and
again
I'm
talking
about
technologies
that
I
think
are
established
elsewhere
in
the
world,
but
just
not
in
leads
and
not
not
in
the
UK
and
yeah.
There's,
there's
issues
and
upsets
so
I'm
all
for
new
stuff,
but
we
just
need
to
be
really
careful.
We
don't
just
Wade
in
and
create
a
lot
of
upset
and
broken
technology
and
and
wasted
money.
There
you
go
wish.
I
could
be
more
uplifting.
B
M
Interesting
the
interesting
views
quite
after
Facebook,
both
both
sides
of
the
both
sides
of
the
coin
and
I
think
the
bit
for
me.
That
is
I,
suppose
important
to
remember
that
the
ldo
wouldn't
Force
anyone
to
do
anything.
It
is
designed
to
be
an
enabling
piece
of
piece
of
work
just
to
make
it
easier
for
those
who
wants
want
to
do
something
and
the
other.
The
other
bit
just
worth
worth.
Raising
is
I
had
a
conversation
with
an
organization
called
Nesta.
M
Today
they
used
to
be
kind
of
a
government
sponsored
Innovation
service
and
spun
out
about
10
years
ago
to
form
a
private
Innovation
service,
they're,
focusing
very
much
on
sustainable
lives
and
Technologies
and
sustainable
living
at
the
moment,
and
just
so
happens
that
they
have
been
doing
some
thinking
around
around
heat
pumps
at
a
national
level.
M
Looking
at
how
do
they
unblock
some
of
the
issues
that
I
I
highlighted
earlier,
so
they
they
came
to
a
very
similar
set
of
conclusions
that
the
thing
that
they
concluded
would
be
the
single
biggest
way
to
address
some
of
the
some
of
the
barriers
that
we're
seeing
through
the
planning.
M
At
the
moment
is
just
to
change
the
the
size
and
the
location
of
of
heat
pumps,
because
because
this
the
size
is
constrained,
it
just
means
that
you
have
to
go
with
some
models
which
just
create
more
noise
than
if
you
were
to
kind
of
slightly
relax
and
allow
slightly
larger
models
to
go
in
where
they
can
use
just
different,
different
Technologies.
So
I
think
yeah
we're
thinking
about
what
we
could
do
as
a
city.
M
Then
it
might
be
something
that
is
pretty
low
impact
in
terms
of
people's
people's
impact
on
people.
That
would
be
a
large
impact
in
terms
of
allowing
different,
Technologies,
newer
Technologies
to
come
in
and
do
good
for
do
good
for
people.
O
O
You
know
electricity,
we
will
get
the
decarbonization
at
a
grid
level,
but
actually
there
does
need
to
be
a
kind
of
Step
Up
in
speed
and
action.
So
if
we're
committed
to
2030
I
think
we
do
have
to
act
as
an
enabler
as
a
city,
so
I
think
it's
just
worth
bearing
that
in
mind,
because
if
we
don't
start
to
change
things,
then
actually
we
are
locking
in
heat
and
we're
seeing
what's
happening
around
the
world
at
the
minute.
So
I
don't
think
anybody
probably
wants
that.
F
Thank
you,
I,
guess
that
my
second
bit
I
was
going
to
go
and
do
was
more
than
the
planning
side
of
it
rather
than
technology,
because
there's
there's
one
side,
which
is
the
technology
around
the
heat
pumps,
the
others.
The
planning
side
and
I
was
just
trying
to
compare
it
to
similar
permitted
developments,
because
the
aspect
of
size
is
a
bit
of
an
odd
one,
because
there
were
there
were
some
extensions.
I
think
that
you'd
be
allowed
on
on
ground
floor
level
as
complete
permitted
development.
F
So
it
looks
like
I
could
build
a
room
on
the
back
of
my
house
or
a
conservatory
or
similar,
but
couldn't
build
a
a
heat
pump,
the
same
size
so
I
think
it's
worth
reflecting
on
on
those
things,
I
think
in
terms
of
the
noise
that
that's
interesting,
it
does
really
depend.
As
George
says,
I've
got
some
residents
of
mine
who,
who
live
opposite
a
an
industrial
meal.
Complex
and
and
they've
got
some
air
conditioning
units
on
the
back
and
in
a
residential
house
having
six
air
conditioning
units
opposite.
F
You
makes
quite
a
lot
of
noise
if
there's
no
noise
there
in
the
rest
of
the
evening
in
a
quiet,
Village
the
rest
of
the
time.
However,
if
this
is
in
a
industrial
estate
and
they're
replacing
their
gas
boilers
with
with
heat
pumps,
I,
don't
think
it'd
make
much
difference.
So
I
think
I
think
it's
worth
reflecting
on
how
it
how
it
equates
and
whether
they're
being
treated
fairly
in
planning
compared
to
maybe
other
things,
and
that
would
be
a
useful
thing
to
to
follow
up.
I.
F
Think
that
might
be
one
that's
more
suitable
to
follow
up
through
joint
plans,
panel
or
or
development
plans
panel
are
similar
to
think
of
of
those
impacts.
Is
there
anything
else
with
the
same
impact
that
is
treated
differently
at
the
moment,
just
because
specific
planning
policy
hasn't
come
around
for
that
and
I
think
that
would
be
real
angle.
F
B
B
Okay,
so
shall
I
make
some
comments
on
them,
then,
in
terms
of
the
first
one,
do
we
agree
that
this
is
an
issue
in
Leeds?
My
personal
thought
George
is
that
the
points
that
you
made
in
your
presentation
clearly
outlined
that
it
is.
B
You
know
the
slides
that
you
shared,
that
originated
from
octopus
I.
Think
the
evidence
on
on
those
was
was
fairly
clear.
Is
there
an
appetite?
I
would
certainly
support
it.
I
I
think
in
the
discussion.
We've
talked
about
kind
of
pros
and
cons,
but
I
think.
B
The
overriding
point
for
me
is
that
we
are
in
a
climate
emergency
and
we
have
Net
Zero
commitments
to
reach,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
this
is
one
way
that
would
help
towards
that
I
I
agree
with
the
points
people
have
made
that
we're
not
enforcing
any
type
of
Technology
on
people,
we're
we're
just
enabling
people
who
want
it
to
do
it
more
easily
and
and
and
and
in
a
quicker
time
frame.
B
I
I
think
it
would
make
sense
that
the
issues
that
it
covered
were
the
three
key
ones
that
you
outlined
to
us
George
in
terms
of
distance
from
boundary
size
and
decibels,
particularly
noting
where
it
sits
in
between
to
was
it
fridges
and
birds,
or
something
like
that.
It
didn't
seem
to
me
that
it
was
a
a
particularly
challenging
noise
issue.
B
I
would
suggest
that
if
we
were
to
go
for
it,
it
would
make
sense
for
it
to
cover
the
whole
city,
why?
Why
would
it
not
I
I,
don't
see
the
benefit
of
it
covering
just
particular
areas?
B
B
I'm
not
quite
sure
whether
that
means
we
should
have
variable
noise
standards,
but
I
do
note
that
points
that
what
you
know,
though,
those
of
us
who
live
in
built
up
areas
with
lots
of
traffic
would
probably
not
notice
it
if
it
was
even
higher
than
than
the
the
where
it
where
it
sat
on
you
on
the
charts,
but
you
probably
would,
if
you're
in
a
very
rural
place
but
I
don't
know,
I
would
be
inclined
to
say
that
that
isn't
a
reason
to
have
variable
noise
standards
that
we
should
stick
with
the
standard
that
is
acceptable
to
people
in
quieter
areas
and
apply
that
across
the
city
and
then
the
tricky
one.
B
How
how
do
we
pay
for
it?
I
mean
you.
We
all
know
that
we're
in
a
situation
where
we
don't
have
I
was
going
to
say
money
to
burn.
That's.
B
Is
it
when
we're
talking
about
heat
pumps,
but
I
do
think
it's
it?
It's
worth
investing
whether
any
of
the
partners
we've
talked
about
today,
for
example,
octopus
will
be
you
know,
happy
to
to
come
in
on
on
an
event,
an
investment
of
some
kind.
I,
don't
know,
I.
Think
that's
the
for
me.
B
That's
the
most
difficult
question
on
the
slide,
but
I
I
would
certainly
recommend
as
as
chair
that
we
most
definitely
should
look
at
an
ldo
and
and
I
would
be
more
than
happy
to
to
recommend
that
so
I
don't
know.
If
anybody
else
has
got
any
comments.
M
If
no
one
else
is
jumping
in
I
can't
see
your
hands
just
think
about
that
final
final
point,
so
I
think
it's
a
point
to
councilor
Thompson
made
about
West
Yorkshire,
it's
possibly
something
that
we
could
explore
with
West
York's
combined
Authority,
whether
they've
got
some
resource
to
to
support
some
of
the
some
of
the
establishment
costs.
M
There's
a
certain
amount
of
legal
advice
that
needs
to
be
put
into
getting
getting
the
wording
right
and
making
sure
that
the
evidence
evidence
base
lined
up
and
then
the
points
about
octopus
is
certainly
something
that
we
could
explore
with
them.
We
need
to
check
legally.
They
were
not
doing
anything
anything
wrong,
but
I
don't
think
it
would
be.
M
We
wouldn't
be
setting
up
something
where
octopus
benefits
from
this
and
no
other
no
other
contractor
does
it
would
be
for
the
whole
Market,
but
potentially
sponsored
by
by
octopus,
who
who
have
a
stake
in
in
Leeds
already,
but
I
think.
That's,
that's
really
helpful.
Adam
Harbert
hoped
to
be
here
today,
but
he
had
conflicting
conflicting
meetings.
So
I'll
reflect
your
comments
back
to
him
and
we'll
just
see
see
if
we
can
take
this.
Take
this
forward.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much,
George,
absolutely
fascinating
discussion
all
around
I
think
thank
you
for
coming.
Thank
you
for
taking
time.
B
Thank
you.
So
that
brings
us
to
our
final
item
and
our
final
item
is
on
tree
planting
initiatives
so
Tony.
Thank
you
for
your
patience.
L
Excellent,
let's
pop
you
guys
over
that,
okay
and
I'll,
just
okay,
so
yeah.
Thank
you
very
much
time
just
going
to
talk
you
through
the
Woodland
creation
initiative,
just
start
off
with
some
introductions.
So
this
is
principally
delivered
by
my
team
I'm,
head
of
Oxford
in
the
climate,
energy
and
green
spaces
team.
L
It's
led
by
Vicki
Marsden,
strongly
supported
by
Glenn
Gordon,
who
provides
technical
support.
It's
highly
likely
that
members
will
have
been
contacted
by
probably
James
O'connor,
Ryan
Fowler
and
the
Canad.
It
really
is
a
whole
team
approach.
A
lot
of
the
work
is
undertaken
in-house
interns
or
what's
delivered
on
site
and
obviously
the
trees
are
grown
in
the
nursery.
So
I
thought
it
would
just
be
helpful
to
give
a
sense
of
just
how
many
people
are
involved
in
this
across
the
party
so
well
the
climate
energy
in
Green
Space.
L
L
L
It
is
about
planting
5.8
million
trees
over
25
years
is
focusing
I
think,
most
primarily
on
that
50
hectares
of
canopy
cover
I've
touched
already
on
us
growing,
our
own
trees,
in-house
at
the
councils,
Horticultural
Glass
House,
the
Arium
we've
had
to
modify
what
we
do
in
order
to
deliver
on
that
and
we're
now
in
a
position
where
we
are
fully
able
to
deliver
all
of
those
trees
that
we
need
in-house,
as
well
as
providing
for
others.
L
I.
Think.
A
saline
element
as
well
of
this
scheme
is
very
much
about
the
public
engagement
and
volunteering
that
we're
undertaking
it's
Central
to
the
initiative,
everything
from
RC
growing
to
planting
on
site
how
we
can
engage
schools,
it's
all
the
key
part
of
what
we're
looking
to
do
and
deliver.
L
Perhaps
some
focus
on
that
strategic
context.
Members
will
be
aware
of
the
commitments
that
was
made
corporately
around
White
Rose
Forest
again.
This
was
something
that
went
to
Executive
Board
in
2020,
which
was
the
end
of
the
year
it
we
clearly
we've
made
significant
commitments
within
that
and
that's
part
of
our
strategic
partnership.
Looking
at
how
we
create
Woodland
canopy
right
across
the
city
region,
I've
included
below
that
little
quote
there,
where
we're
looking
to
create
a
sustainable,
well,
wooded
landscape
for
the
benefit
of
people.
L
Certainly
they're
notwithstanding
that,
and
you
know
it's
clearly
play
a
key
role
in
terms
of
climate
change
adaptation,
and
it
can
be
part
of
that
contribution
to
how
we
get
to
and
Achieve
Net
Zero,
which
obviously
links
into
what
you've
been
talking
about
already
just
some
some
info
information
there
just
to
give
a
sense
of
scale
so
we're
looking
at
one
ton
of
cto2
is
equal
to
500
meter
cubed
that
hot
air
balloon.
You
know
some
of
that
and
again
how
Woodland
creation
Woodland
establishment
the
city
can
help
and
support.
L
First,
it
has
been
apologies.
I
moved
past
that
slide
too
quickly
we're
now
in
year.
Four,
what's
provided
on
this
slide
is
just
some
information
as
to
the
process
that
we
look
to
go
through
scheme
identification
is
quite
lengthy.
What
we
often
find
is
that
we
need
at
least
double,
if
not
more
than
that,
if
sites
and
once
we've
gone
through
the
technical
process
and
selected
sites
and
and
consider
what
whether
planting
is
or
isn't
feasible,
we
then
get
to
a
certain
number
of
planting
sites
per
year.
L
Thus
far,
we've
planted
74
sites
in
year,
one
eight
to
two
sites.
In
year,
two
and
then
year,
three,
we
planted
73
that
that
roughly
equates
to
Circa
300
000
whips
nearly
a
thousand
standard
trees
and
then,
as
we
move
forward
into
year
year,
four,
which
is
where
we
are
presently
We've,
looked
and
considered
119
sites.
38
of
those
are
suitable.
L
That
just
gives
you
a
sense
of
what
we're
looking
at
and
Consulting
on
at
the
minute,
so
out
of
those
sites
and
schemes
that
we're
looking
to
consider
27
a
whip
planting
site
and
that
it
will
equate
to
in
this
year's
Circa
14
hectares
of
planting
and
then
we're
looking
at
further
54
standard
tree
planting
sized
we've,
significantly
increasing
the
volume
of
standard
tree
planting
that
we're
looking
to
Undertake
from
what
we
did
in
years.
One
and
two
and
quite
a
number
will
be
planned.
L
Hopefully,
in
this
year,
we're
also
undertaking
quite
an
extensive
review
of
the
beat
up
work
that
that's
needed.
L
If
this
is
really
is
a
cyclical
process,
it's
not
a
case
of
plant
and
moving
on
we're
constantly
going
back
to
sites
we've
done
in
years,
one
two
and
three
and
we're
looking
to
go
back
and
and
and
boost
those
using
that
that
term
beating
up
well
we'll
just
go
back
and
we'll
look
to
replant
where
we've
got
losses,
while
just
dwelling
on
that
a
little
bit
because
I'm
sure
it's
something
that
members
will
be
aware
of.
L
We
have
undertaken
review
all
106
sites.
We
are
developing
a
schedule
of
Works
where
we
can
look
at
what's
needed
to
remedy
areas
where
failure
is
being
apparent,
fairly
kind
of
occurred
for
a
number
of
reasons.
We've
touched
on
some
of
those
in
the
example
in
the
examples
on
screen,
whether
that
be
trampling,
whether
that
would
just
be
vandalism
clearly
as
well.
There's
been
issues
in
some
instances
with
heat
waves
and
weather
change
and
also
I.
Think
of
well
just
this
year
in
particular,
grassland
management
has
been
a
real
issue
for
us.
L
There's
been
some
examples
where
the
grassland
has
probably
taken
over
the
whips
to
some
extent.
That's
something
that
we're
looking
at
also
now
we
can
remedy
processes,
but
it's
almost
acknowledging
there
has
been
some
challenges
with
some
sites.
Some
of
those
sites
would
have
been
absolutely
fine
when
they
were
beaten
up
last
year.
It's
coming
back
to
them
this
year
and
just
reassuring
members
that
once
we've
planted
we're
regular
revisiting
size
and
seeking
to
address
any
issues
as
we
find
and
continually
ensure
that
the
woodlands
that
we're
seeking
to
establish
do
in
fact
establish.
L
Twitched
already
on
commonplace,
which
members
will
have
Woodland
tree
planting
sites
will
be
familiar
with
it's
something
that
we
have
rolled
out
extensively
through
2022
and
2023.
It
is
interactive
process.
It
does
provide
an
opportunity
for
Resident
comments.
We've
looked
to
do
complement
this
with
letter
drops
we'll
have
some
presents
on
site
when
we
can
we'll
provide
opportunities
for
people
to
to
access
commonplace
to
the
to
the
leaflets
and
the
posters
that
we
put
up
on
site
so
really
are
looking
to
do
all.
L
What
we're
also
looking
to
do
extensively
is
ensure
that
we
can
develop
skills.
I've
talked
already
about
how
we
are
growing
our
own
in
the
nursery.
That's
allowing
our
Nursery
staff
to
become
more
accustomed
and
developed
in
growing
trees
from
from
seed,
which
is
which
is
really
excellent,
but
then
it
also
extends
to
our
officer
core
we're
regularly
recruiting
into
that
team.
Looking
and
showing
their
multi-skilled
and
multi-discipline
can
look
at
technical
details
around
soil.
L
We're
able
to
complete
extensive
environmental
impact
assessments
which
are
requirement
of
Forestry
commission
and
certainly
for
approvals,
and
in
some
instances
for
us
to
get
Woodland,
Croatian,
Grand
funding
and
equally
our
operational
teams,
we're
increasingly
proficient
at
site
of
preparation,
looking
at
what's
needed
in
terms
of
defensing
and
how
we
can
look
in
terms
of
the
treatments
and
that
we
do
to
ensure
these
sites
become
established
in
terms
of
the
area
we
now
also
looking
at
how
that
can
further
help
with
the
hardiness
of
our
tree
stock.
L
How
we
can
move
to
some
trees
being
hardened
off
outside
I
can
look
to
develop
into
a
position
where
we
can
actually
grow
some
of
our
whip.
Planting
on
to
more
standard
sizes,
so
we're
really
looking
at
being
able
to
position
to
to
again
emphasize
that
ability
to
be
self-sufficient.
I
would
also
emphasize,
with
the
Arium
we've
got
some
really
good
and
strong
Partnerships
with
neighboring
authorities
in
the
white
rose
Forest
generally,
where
we're
looking
to
grow
seed
on
their
behalf
almost
on
a
commercial
basis.
So
it
is
something
that
again
re-emphasizing.
L
It's
also
relevant
to
just
know
and
touch
on
the
fact.
There's
been
the
recent
loss
that
launch
of
the
trees
for
streets
initiative,
and
some
press
went
out
about
this
quite
recently.
It
is
a
collaboration
between
trees
for
streets,
which
is
a
charity,
the
council,
resident
and
residents.
It
is
about
the
people
of
Leeds
and
knowing
their
own
streets
and
looking
where
Woodland,
where
trees
can
be
planted
close
to
in
residential
areas
and
to
this
point,
I
thought.
L
Members
might
be
interested
to
know
that
there's
been
49
expressions
of
Interest
post
launch,
so
hopefully
that
picks
up
and
gathers
some
momentum
and
it's
great
to
see
that
we're
able
to
look
at
giving
residents
the
opportunity
to
come
up
with
sites
and
proposals
themselves.
L
A
significant
success
has
really
been
our
ability
to
engage
schools
in
seed
collection.
It
was
something
that
gained
quite
a
lot
of
traction
in
media
last
year.
It's
something
that
we
will
again
be
looking
to
roll
out
in
2023,
some
real
significant
benefits
in
terms
of
volunteering
numbers
and
participations
for
young
people,
which
again
I
think
is
a
key
part
of
spreading
the
narrative
around
the
benefits
of
trees
generally
and
how
they
can
contribute
towards
more
broader
issues
around
climate
change.
L
Similarly,
of
course,
we
treat
planting
I've
touched
on
this
already.
A
key
part
of
what
we're
looking
to
do
is
how
we
engage
with
volunteers,
we're
now
really
lucky
to
have
800
volunteers
registered.
In
other
terms
of
the
Woodland
Croatian
team.
Our
Rangers
team
are
regularly
looking
to
engage
with
them.
L
We'll
have
a
full
program
of
a
volunteer
planting
opportunities
that
are
ready
to
roll
this
winter,
and
hopefully
we
can
work
with
friends,
groups,
corporate
groups
as
well
as
other
interested
parties
in
those
registered
volunteers,
to
ensure
that
the
there's
the
opportunity
for
all
to
participate
in
what
we're
looking
to
do
and
equally,
if
that's,
not
only
supported
through
our
Rangers
team.
But
our
operational
teams
in
east
and
west
will
be
on
hand
to
support
with
some
of
that
volunteer
engagement
when
needed.
L
So
that's
giving
you
all,
hopefully
an
opportunity
to
to
get
some
sense
of
the
Woodland
creation
program
that
we're
looking
to
deliver
and
what
strategic
context
is.
If
you
have
any
questions
on
that,
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
take
them.
B
N
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
do
have
quite
a
few
I'm
afraid.
I
came
prepared
for
this
one,
so
one
unfortunate
one
in
our
wood
is:
we've
had
some
major
issues
with
the
consultation
because
Ward
members
in
the
parish
council
weren't
consulted
on
road
and
little
more,
which
has
Village
Green
status,
which
probably
should
have
stopped
it
at
the
outset.
N
It
has
led
to
some
positive
conversations
about
other
potential
sites
in
the
wood,
but
it
has
been
really
difficult
across
the
political
Spectrum
to
handle
that
and
respond
to
it.
So
that
may
be
something
to
follow
up
with
separately
to
learn
from
it.
I
know,
councilor,
ravik
and
others
are
aware.
There
has
been
conversation
with
Vicky.
N
We
have
some
sites
in
our
area
where
the
survival
rate
of
whips
is
very,
very
low,
practically
zero.
Unfortunately,
one
where
one
was
where
they've
been
decarbonization
work
at
the
Leisure
Center,
which
kind
of
took
them
all
out,
others
have
been
fenced
in,
had
been
more
successful,
but
just
still
some
concerns
over
that
that
mode
of
working
links
with
local
events
have
been
really
positive.
We've
seen
what
Abby
Runners
have
done
with
their
Cup
race
and
actually
the
club
slight,
not
conflicts
of
interest.
N
Declaration
of
Interest,
the
club
I'm
part
of
that
organizers.
The
chef
and
Chase
would
like
to
do
the
same
so
rather
than
using
trees,
not
teas
to
work
with
Woodland
creation
to
plant
trees.
Instead
of
giving
people
plastic
t-shirts
and
great
that
others
have
done
that
and
led
the
way
and
then
finally,
the
same,
certainly
in
our
area,
to
be
a
preference
for
small,
carefully
chosen
sites
rather
than
more
extensive
ones
and
a
concern,
particularly
for
women's
safety
in
parks
and
how
we
perhaps
link
up
the
tree.
Planting
work
with
the
work.
N
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
those
points
and
comments.
Councilor
Thompson.
Do
you
want
to
come
back
on
those
Tony
yeah.
L
I
have
two
counts
today
in
the
council
Thompson,
if
I've
missed
anything,
please
pick
them
up.
I
I
think
it
was
important
to
acknowledge
in
the
presentation
that
we
have
had
some
failures
and
they've
been
in
some
instances
quite
extensive
this
year.
L
I'd
come
back
to
my
observation
that
this
is
something
that
we're
aware
of
and
be
looking
to
develop
some
of
them
plans.
It's
something
that
we
we
know
we
need
to
do
is
part
of
the
process,
and
we
anticipate
that
we
will
have
some
sites
that
fail.
You
touched
around
in
the
example
where
there's
been
somewhere,
there's
been
fenced
and
they've
been
successful,
I'm
equally
happy
to
acknowledge
that
there's
somewhere
they
decided
to
be
investing
and
they
haven't
and
others
where
the
science
haven't
been
fenced
in
they've,
been
incredibly
successful.
L
So
I
think
I'm
more
than
happy
to
acknowledge
that
this
is
something
that
we
need
to
continually
learn
from,
and
it's
something
again
I'll
just
reiterate
that
we
are
looking
to
put
implants
in
place
where
we
can
seek
to
address
failures
in
previous
years,
planting
and
learn
lessons
as
we
move
forward
us.
L
The
question
you
raise
around
smaller,
more
carefully
chosen
sites,
I
I'd,
acknowledge
that
my
ideal
scenario
here
would
be
to
plant
Hector
as
a
land
and
sometimes
rather
envious
of
colleagues
in
North
Yorkshire,
who
are
able
to
plant
20
or
30
hectares
and
and
deliver
these
huge
Woodlands.
It
is
part
of
the
challenge
of
a
verbal
modeling
creation,
where
we're
looking
at
areas
of
land
that
is
quite
tight
and
limited.
I
would
reassure
members
that
we
are
working
collaboratory
collaboratively
across
Council
extent,
very.
T
L
Asset
Management
looking
I
know,
Mark
is
looking
at
the
council's
agricultural
portfolio,
so
I'm
hopeful
counselor.
There
will
be
some
larger
sites
that
come
forward
soon
with
regards
to
the
violence
against
women
and
girls
agenda
and
and
women's
safety
generally
in
Paris
and
green
spaces,
because
of
the
nature
of
what
I
do
I'm
lucky
that
I
get
to
spend
quite
a
lot
of
initiatives
and
some
of
the
work
that
the
team
have
done
in
Hobbit
more
would
have
Woodhouse
equally
around
some
of
the
work
we've
done
linked
to
the
Morley
bid.
L
We
recognized
that
sight
lines
feeling
claustrophobic,
irrespective
agenda,
can
create
a
sense
of
feeling
unsafe
in
parts
and
green
spaces.
We're
aware
of
that.
We're
factoring
that
into
some
of
our
Woodland
creation
initiatives.
What
I
really
hope,
as
we
move
forward,
is
what
we've
got
the
commitments
for
in
terms
of
our
partisan,
Green
Space
strategies
for
our
community
parks
to
have
a
plan
and
a
page
that
we
can
look
at
site
holistically.
We
certainly
won't
look
to
building
building
problems
as
we
move
forward
in
the
future.
L
There's
a
lot
of
collaboration
between
teams
that
are
working
on
those
agendas.
So
it's
certainly
something
that
I
hope
we
can
mitigate
against
I'm
sure.
There
will
be
some
examples
where
we
may
need
to
rethink
in
the
future,
but
is
something
that
we're
aware
of,
and
it's
equally
something
that
we
want
to
ensure
we
don't
create
ourselves
problems,
but
I
will
again
reassure
members
that
we
are
acutely
aware
of
how
Woodland
canopy
can
increase
that
sense
of
vulnerability
when
using
parts
and
green
spaces.
L
L
You
Polly,
you
could
have
shouted
that
through
the
the
adjoining
door
there
and
again
in
terms
of
consultation,
I
I,
wasn't
aware
of
the
issue
with
the
Village
Green.
I
will
pick
that
up
with
a
team,
we
through
consultation,
try
to
to
make
sure
that's
a
collaborative
process.
It's
a
conversation.
If
we
get
to
a
point
through
consultation
where
sites
were
identified
as
not
being
suitable,
then
we're
more
happy
to
remove
them
from
the
process.
L
L
So
certainly
some
help
in
identifying
sites
and
supporting
members
around
how
we
manage
residents
and-
and
we
get
to
a
position
where
residents
are
comfortable
and
understand,
benefits
would
be-
would
be
helpful,
but
I'd
fully
acknowledge
it
in
that
instance
that
you
shared
where
we
have
identified
the
site
and
not
put
up
on
the
fact.
It's
got
a
Village
Green
status.
Then
that
certainly
is
something
that
we'd
look
at
and
ensure
that
that's
done
as
we
move
forward.
So
don't
get
a
repeat
of
that
issue.
B
Thank
you,
Tony
councilor
Thompson.
Is
there
anything
else
you
wanted
to
come
back
on
anything
that
Tony
missed.
N
No
I,
don't
think
so.
Thank
you.
I'll
follow
up
separately
on
the
the
race
planning
issue,
because
that
doesn't
really
relate
here
specifically,
but
just
yeah
really
glad
to
learn
that
there's
this
constant
desire
to
learn
and
improve
processes
I
think
that's,
probably
the
most
important
thing.
Thank
you.
B
S
Yeah
thanks
the
main
issue
I
was
going
to
write,
is
the
one
that
councilor
Thompson
raised
and
that
was
in
our
Ward.
We've
had
virtually
all
the
whips
fail,
certainly
on
two
of
the
areas,
if
not
all
three
well
over
90
fail
now.
I
know
that
you're
doing
things
to
but
address
that
I
just
I'm
concerned.
If
we've
had
that
problem,
councilor
Thompson's
had
that
problem
is
this
a
city-wide
problem?
Is
it
I
mean
Woodland?
S
Creation
is
great,
it's
something
I
really
support,
but
how
much
effort
we
putting
in
that
we're
got
a
learning
process
that
would
perhaps
could
have
learned
from
before
and
how
what
you
know.
So
what
is
the
failure
rate
across
the
city
is
point
one
well
on
a
more
positive
note,
though,
both
Nikki
and
Emily
have.
G
S
Readily
with
myself,
my
ward
colleagues,
they
came
for
came
with
some
proposals
for
one
two
sites
which
we
felt
were
inappropriate
and
they
removed
those
we
suggested
Alternatives,
which
they
then
did
pick
up
on
and
you
use
so.
S
The
dialogue
is
working
with
us
and
that's
positive,
and
we
want
to
continue
to
work
with
them
to
create
the
Woodland.
But
my
concern
just
to
reiterate,
councilor
Thompson's
message
that
it's
a
bit
sad
to
see
that
all
the
effort
that's
gone
in
and
the
all
the
planting
that's
gone
ahead
to
see
that
it's,
you
know
effectively
a
wasted
effort
so
far.
Thank
you.
L
I
certainly
would
like
to
thank
councilor
Downs
for
his
his
comments
with
the
guys
to
Vicki
and
Emily
I'll
feed
those
back
to
the
team,
and
it's
reassuring
to
know
that
the
technical
team
did
engage
in
a
dialogue
with
members
in
this
instance,
and
hopefully,
that's
replicated
across
the
city.
So
I'll
certainly
feed
that
back
in
I,
I
I'm,
not
yet
in
a
position
to
put
a
figure
on
what
the
failure
rate
for
which
are
across
the
city.
I
would
just
reiterate.
L
There
are
examples
where
you
can
have
really
well
a
really
good
establishment
in
one
part
of
a
plantation
and
not
in
other
I,
think
the
team
as
a
whole
recognize
this
Challenge
and
recognize
the
fact
that
actually,
the
effort
needs
to
extend
through
to
establishment.
L
You
know
we're
really
committed
to
doing
that.
That
commitment
carries
right
across
the
operational
team,
our
Rangers
team
and
the
team
that
are
looking
to
do
the
Woodland
creation
sites
and
site
identification.
So
I'll
just
come
back
to
my
observation.
I'm
sure
pollywood
reiterate
that
there
is
a
commitment
just
to
ensure
that
these
Woodlands
establish
in
quite
a
lot
of
instances.
We've
got
a
grant
that
allows
us
to
to
ensure
that
they
do
establish,
so
we
will
continually
go
back
to
these
sites
and
get
them
to
a
point
where
they
do.
L
A
lot
of
that,
as
I've
touched
on
already,
is
possibly
down
to
a
variety
of
different
reasons
as
to
why
they've
failed
so
quite
articulating.
That
is
not
always
simple.
I
think
it
I
was
quite
flippant
before
when
I
referenced,
North
Yorkshire,
but
it
is
that
challenge.
Quite
often,
I
was
looking
to
establish
these
small
Woodland
pockets
in
an
urbanized
area.
We
are
looking
to
use
most
sized
for
standard
tree
planting
and
perhaps
for
a
standard
tree.
L
Planting
can
supplement
with
planting
as
well,
but
I
think
we're
all
well
known
that
the
principle
of
using
whips
to
establish
Woodlands
is
is,
is
industry
best
practice,
but
we'll
we'll
continue
to
ensure
that
we
we
go
back
to
these
sites
and
get
to
the
point
of
which
they
do
establish.
Thank
you.
S
Yes,
yes,
that's
great
thanks
for
that
Tony.
It
might
be
useful
if
you
could
give
us
an
area
of
best
practice
where
there
has
been
a
very
successful
whip
planting.
So
we
can
see
that
you
know
where
that's
happened.
S
One
thing
I've
just
thought
of
while
you
were
talking
was
but
I,
don't
know
whether
it's
elite
city
council
skating,
but
when
I,
because
he's
not
in
my
ward
but
when
I
go
down.
King
Lane
towards
or
Woodley
I
thought
it
was
University
land,
but
it
may
be
lead
to
the
council
and
there's
lots
and
lots
of
new
trees
that
have
been
recently
been
planted
there
to
establish
an
area
I.
S
Just
wonder
if
there
was
anything
to
do
with
lead
city,
council
or
not,
because
that
looked
quite
impressive,
the
amount
that
was
going
in
Baron
shaking
his
head.
So
it
isn't
ours
perhaps,
but
it
just
you
know.
As
I
say,
I
really
would
like
to
see
it
work.
We've
got
a
local
group,
Wildlife
friendly
otley,
who
have
who
have
been
meeting
with
us
as
well
to
try
and
establish
more
trees
and
they're.
S
Looking
at
putting
more
mature
trees
in
and
I
just
won,
I
think
one
of
the
one
of
the
issues
is
you've
got
funding.
You've
got
an
objective
to
hit
a
certain
Target.
Are
you
still
going
to
be
able
to
hit
that
Target
despite
the
failures
so
far,
because
if
you
hit
that
Target,
that's
ultimately
where
we
need
to
be.
B
Thank
you
did
you
want
to
come
back
specifically
on
on
that
question,
Tony
about
whether
the
target's
in
danger
yeah.
L
Oh
I,
I
first
say
I.
Thank
you.
Council
today,
I've
met
a
note
of
the
King
Lane
question.
If
counselor
Anderson
shook
his
head
and
I'll
clarify
of
that
for
you
cancer
downs
and
who
has
done
that
work
and
what
what's
proposed
there
in
terms
of
equipment
to
meet
in
the
Target,
then
we
know
what
we
need
to
do
over
25
years.
We
know
that
Woodland
can
take
three
years
at
least
to
establish.
So
it's
certainly
Something
That
We're
committed
to
doing
and
I.
Don't
see
any
reason
at
this
point.
L
Well,
I
would
say
we
aren't
going
to
be
able
to
meet
it.
I
think
a
key
key
consideration
for
us
and
it's
alien
challenges.
I've
touched
on
already,
is
identifying
land
where
we
can
look
to
Great
Woodland
in
Canada,
because
there,
so
that's
something
that
again
needs
to
be
part
of
our
focus
and
energies,
as
well
as
ensuring
that
we
get
the
process
of
establishment
correct.
B
Thank
you
thank
you,
Tony,
and
just
before
I
bring
councilor
Carlyle
and
can't
counselor
Thompson
has
just
posted
in
the
chat
and
I've
just
clicked
on
the
link.
The
is
that
the
King
Lane
site
and
councilor
Anderson
says
thank
you,
which
makes
me
think
it
must
be
so
if
you're
interested
in
finding
out
about
that
site,
then
click
on
the
link
in
the
chat.
Okay,
thank
you.
Councilor
Carlo.
F
Thanks
chair,
yeah
and
and
thanks
Tony
for
this,
it's
useful
I
think
it's
useful
for
us
to
have
some
of
this
information
around
how
it's
gone.
How?
Obviously
people
have
seen
the
whips
and
in
in
our
area
we've
had
the
majority
of
them
have
been
really
successful.
We've
had
a
couple
of
problems.
F
We've
had
one
site,
that's
failed
this
year,
but
I
think
that's
for
very
specific,
based
on
the
the
Land
There
being
incredibly
boggy,
and
maybe
that's
something
to
learn
about
different
types
of
site
and
what
trees
we
plant
there
and
we
did
have
one
or
a
few
instances
of
vandalism.
But
there
was
a
really
nice
one
where
one
of
the
ones
near
to
one
of
our
primary
schools.
F
A
lot
of
the
whips
were
pulled
out
and
actually
the
head
teacher
got
a
series
of
the
school
kids
to
go
back
and
and
replant
them
all
over
the
next
couple
of
days
to
make
sure
they
were
there,
which
was
nice
and
I
I,
don't
know
whether
it
then
needed
yourself
and
colleagues
to
go
back
and
see
them,
but
but
that
area
seems
to
be
doing
really
well,
the
the
one
risk,
certainly
in
in
our
area
as
far
as
I
see
is.
F
It
is
becoming
incredibly
difficult
for
us
to
provide
ideas
of
sites
when
you
come
back
now.
So
obviously,
we've
done
three
years
worth
of
sites
based
on
on
Green
Space,
that
that
we're
aware
of
and
that
that's
in
Council
ownership
and
control,
I
guess
as
we
go
through,
that's
become
going
to
become
ever
more
increasingly
difficult
and
there
are
some
obviously
that
that
haven't
been
there.
F
I
know
there
was
a
lot
of
work
going
on
around
I
I
guess
two
areas
that
that'd
be
useful
to
get
an
update
on
one
is
land
within
the
council's
control
that
isn't
currently
vested
with
parks
and
green
spaces.
So
you
know
land
that
may
be
with
housing
or
land
that
may
be
assets
that
are
currently
rented
out.
F
You
know,
for
we've
got
a
lot
of
fields
that
use
for
grazing,
for
instance
around
near
us,
some
of
which
are
rented
out
by
their
Council
and
whether
any
more
of
those
are
being
able
to
be
used
in
future
and
then
just
anything
around
private
land.
I
know
we
did
have
a
a
call
out
for
people
if
they
did
have
large
amounts
of
private
land
that
they
would
be
willing
to
gift
us
and
we'd
obviously
cover
the
planting
we
could
use.
F
I
just
just
wondered
if
there
was
an
update
on
on
those
areas
really
so
so
where
there
was
land
that
wasn't
taking
away
our
our
established
public
green
space.
Should
we
say
yeah.
L
Thank
you,
I
mean
I
I
have
to
confess,
as
I've
been
reflecting
back
and
I've
been
chatting
to
some
of
the
answers.
I've
got
some
handwritten
notes
here.
That
gives
us
some
indication
of
what
true
planting
is
taking
place
outside
of
our
program,
which
were
underly
provided
by
by
the
colleagues.
So
I
can
relay
some
of
that
information.
So,
within
the
white
rose,
Forest
Area
there's
been
Circa
36
hectares
of
planting
on
non-council
owned
land
and
that
34
hectares
of
that
has
received
funding
through
the
white
rose
Forest.
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So
there
is
activity
taking
on
private
land
owners.
I've
already
touched
it
I
am
that
my
colleagues
and
teams
and
Polly
are
very
strategic
level
of
working
with
colleagues
and
asset
management
and
I'm
sure
that
they
would
be
help
helpfully
providers
with
some
information
that
could
be
shared
to
this
group.
It
is
the
challenge
that
they've
got
of
considering
need
for
agricultural
value,
agricultural
Tendencies
versus
things
and
considerations
such
as
solar
farms
and
other
things
that
are
being
considered
in
the
round.
Now
withstanding
that
they're
aware
of
the
challenge.
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They're
aware
they
need
to
be
part
of
the
solution
and
I
think
that
will
come
from
those
areas
of
land
holding
outside
of
the
council's
4
000
hectares,
which
is
normally
considered
as
being
part
of
partisan
green
spaces.
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I
do
think,
there's
a
need
for
us
to
continue
to
look
and
I
think
a
lot
of
that
can
be
within
an
almost
marginal
gains
approach.
So
we
think
about
how
we
can
extend
hedgerows
or
we
think
about
how
we
can
extend
Woodland
planting
areas
and
margins
and
I'm
determined
that
we
go
and
do
that
when
we
continue
to
strive
to
look
at
all
the
sites
that
we
possibly
can
I
do
feel
that
there
are
opportunities
for
us
to
add
hectares.
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A
scale
will
come
through
that
piece
of
strategic
work,
that's
taking
place
with
colleagues
in
Asset
Management
now,
and
a
micro
example
of
that,
and
perhaps
there's
quite
a
large
scale,
is
the
orbital
Road
excludes
extensive
amounts
of
tree
planting,
and
it's
just
a
case
of
being
joined
up
on
some
of
those
initiatives
and
seeking
opportunities.
Had
we
been
successful
with
some
of
the
living
up
funding
that
we
were
looking
to
seek
corporate,
seek
central
government
approval
for
the
The
Authority
developed
and
that
would
have
included
extensive
link
creation.
L
Also
so
I
think
it's
just
reassuring
members
that
we
are
thinking
about
willing
creation
holistically,
as
well
as
looking
at
measure
infrastructure
development.
So
I'll
continue
to
press
on
that
point
and
please
be
reassured
that
we
are
working
with
colleagues
across
City
development
to
identify
land
at
scale.
L
R
C
B
You
did
you
want
to
come
back
on
that
councilor,
Carlo,
okay,
anybody
else
got
any
questions
or
comments
that
they'd
like
to
make
okay.
So,
just
briefly
to
add
my
own,
then
I
also
want
to
say
that
that,
in
my
ward,
we've
had
very
positive
dialogue
with
Vicky
and
team,
and
we've
had
on-site
meetings
where
we've
all
looked
at
sites
and
looked
at
progress,
so
just
want
to
pass
on
my
own
thanks
for
that
in
terms
of
groups.
B
When
we
had
the
discussion
of
volunteers,
have
you
got
the
climate
action
leads
hubs
on
your
list
of
volunteers,
because
you
know
we've
certainly
got
very
active
Hub
in
killing
back
in
Sea
Croft,
who,
if,
if
they're
on
your
radar
great,
but
if
they're
not,
then
you
know
they
they
might
be
a
source
of
of
volunteers.
B
L
Thank
you
chat,
so
I
mean
again
really
really
encouraging
that
I
can
share
this
positive
feedback
with
the
team,
but
I
will
certainly
ensure
that
that
gets
back
and
and
I'm
grateful
for
receiving
that
I
will
clarify
with
colleagues
as
whether
or
not
those
acted
hubs
that
you're
referred
to.
We
are
talking
to
them.
I'd
be
disappointed
if
we
aren't,
but
again
more
than
happy
to
to
talk
to
others
and
ensure
that
those
are
with
an
interest
in
the
agenda
are
actively
engaged
in
Woodland
creation,
where
they
possibly
can
be.
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I
will
clarify
that
with
the
team.
I
meant
the
point
already
canceled
on
that
50
hectare.
Target
that
we
are,
we
will
be
looking
at
beating
up.
We
are
committed
and
have
some
funding
in
place
to
get
us
to
a
point
where
these
Woodlands
established.
So
it's
something
we
will
look
to
commit
to
do
and
I
think
that
I've
talked
to
already
about
that
that
support
the
members
can
certainly
offer
where
I
know.
L
Members
are
acutely
aware:
they
need
to
identifiable
integration
sites
and
sites
for
tree
canopy,
and
it's
helpful
that
we
can
find
a
way
in
which
we
can
engage
with
with
residents
who
I'm
sure
are
supportive
of
the
principles,
but
you
know
give
us
the
opportunity
to
engage
with
them
in
a
manner
that
is
constructive
and
we
can
look
to
develop
sites
within
locality,
so
that
continues.
Support
in
that
regard
is
I.
Think
what
we're
looking
for.
So
it's
equally
encouraging
for
me
as
an
officer
to
feedback.
So
members
are
appreciative.
L
B
Small
points
sure
we
can
all
and
do
that
in
terms
of
our
contact
with
residents-
and
you
know
when
we're
in
public
meetings
or
situations
where
we
have
an
opportunity.
I
suggest
we'll
take
that
opportunity
to
spread
the
word
and
and
do
what
we
can
to
support
it.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
thank
you,
Tony.
That
brings
us
to
the
end
of
our
agenda.
So
thank
you.
Everybody
for
your
time
can
I
thank
everybody
for
their
contributions.
I
think
we
had
some
really
good
discussions
and
we've
made
some
useful
recommendations.
B
So,
in
my
opinion,
I
think
that
was
a
worthwhile
meeting,
a
huge
thanks
to
officers.
Who've
done
presentations
and
who've
answered
questions
and
who've
brought
the
meeting
together.
I'm
really
appreciative
and
we
will
meet
again
on
Monday.
The
16th
of
October
in
the
meantime,
can
I
just
Echo,
councilor
Anderson's
comments
and
say:
please
do
your
very
best
to
attend
the
working
groups,
because
that's
where
we
get
an
opportunity
to
discuss
some
of
the
things
in
more
depth
and
and
make
recommendation
recommendations
that
we
can
bring
to
this
full
committee.
So
thank
you
very
much.