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good
morning
folks,
I'm
councilman
walsh.
I
chair
the
climate
emergency
advisory
committee
and
I'll
be
well
sharing.
Today's
meeting,
can
I
remind
members
to
set
the
microphones
to
mute
when
they're,
not
speaking
they
use
the
hand-raising
function,
indicate
they
want
to
speak
and
now
we're
used
to
this
online
world.
We've
got
some
some
housekeeping
procedures
to
go
through.
So
let's
go
through
that.
A
So,
as
I've
already
introduced
myself,
I
don't
need
to
do
that
again,
but
I'll
go
through
the
the
members
and
officers
on
this
course.
So,
let's
start
with
mems
and
we'll
go
in
alphabetical
order.
So
councillor
anderson.
F
I
Good
morning,
chair
councillor
mile
haring
anthony
robin
hedgewood,
an
exec
member
for
climate
change,
transport
and
sustainable
development.
D
Councilman
should
have
more
time
I
mean
woodward.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
Lovely
and
neil
evans
is
joining
us
at
10
30..
Any
other
officers
president
wanted
to
introduce
themselves
or
remain
wall
flowers
and
shy.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
all
of
that.
So
we've
got
quite
a
lot
on
today
I'll
go
through
the
next
couple
of
sort
of
housekeeping
items
so
harry
item,
one
of
any
appeals.
A
H
A
A
I'm
not
intending
to
go
through
them
page
by
page,
I'm
assuming
that,
like
me,
you've
read
them
and
just
bear
with
me.
While
I
get
my
laptop
to
bring
up
a
couple
of
items,
and
my
internet
connection
is
somewhat
fragile
this
morning,
so.
B
If,
if
you
do
drop
out
chair
initially,
we
would
ask
that
we'd
adjourn
the
meeting
and
then,
if
you're
happy
for
council
buckling
to
take
over.
If
that
was
the
case,
if,
if
councillor
buckley
was
happy
to
do
that,
but
initially
we
would
just
pause
and
and
try
and
get
you
back.
Okay,.
A
F
Yes,
just
to
say
you
didn't
call
upon
me
to
introduce
myself
so
cancer
algathwaite
and
also
I'm
having
terrible
trouble
with
my
ipad.
So
I
may
not
mute
myself
because
it
takes
me
forever
to
unmute
and
I
have
to
go
out
and
come
in
and
all
that.
A
I'm
really
sorry
you
weren't
on
my
list
on
my
chairs
notes.
I
don't
know
why.
I'm
really
sorry,
I
could
be
in
trouble
with
my
ward
colleague
now
I
blame.
I
blame
harriet
anyway
moving
swiftly
along.
Thank
you
all
right.
Moving
on,
let's
go
to
open
forum.
Now
we've
got
three
items
in
a
late
edition
for
open
forum,
so.
B
So
we
have
three
videos
today
and
the
first
is
woody
cuddis
ross.
The
second
is
robbie
strathdy
and
the
third
avagar
side
and
we're
all
young
people
in
leeds
and
because
we
asked
on
this
occasion
for
the
children
of
young
people
to
to
submit
videos.
So
if
you
could
play
the
videos,
please
chat.
Thank
you.
J
J
Since
then,
there's
obviously
been
massive
disruption
to
students,
education
and
there's
a
lot
of
catching
up
to
do,
especially
for
most
disadvantaged
students.
The
good
news
is
that
education
about
climate
change
doesn't
need
to
distract
from
that,
and
in
fact
it
can
benefit
benefit
it.
So
leith
deck
is
a
leads
based
charity
who
developed
the
climate
curriculum,
which
is
a
suite
of
lessons,
lesson,
plans
and
resources
across
a
number
of
subjects
that
aims
to
incorporate
climate
change
into
into
into
education
and
into
the
existing
curriculum.
J
J
So
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
opportunity
to
to
improve
the
relevance
and
importance
of
education
for
students,
and
really
it
would
be
a
really
good
step
forward
towards
the
brighter
futures
for
all
of
us.
So
my
question
is
given
the
support
that
the
council
has
voiced
when
I've
previously
talked
about
climate.
Education
is
what
they
will
do
to
promote
the
climate
curriculum
and
encourage
schools
across
leads
to
to
use
it
more
information
about
the
climate.
J
Curriculum
can
be
found
at
leeds
deck,
which
is
leeds
dec,
dot,
co,
dot,
uk
and
you
can
also
email
info
leads.
J
J
Taught
about
the
reality,
the
climate
crisis,
the
climate
and
environmental
crisis
is
the
biggest
threat
that
humanity
has
ever
faced
and
we
all
grow
up
in
the
world
scarred
by
its
impacts.
Young
people
must
be
equipped
with
the
knowledge
that
they
need
to
understand
the
full
scale
of
this
crisis
and
to
take
action.
Unfortunately,
the
current
election
does
not
do
this,
and
climate
change
is
often
mentioned
only
in
passing
or
as
a
distant
valve
event.
J
J
Presenting
an
undeniable
scientific
fact,
as
a
topic
for
debate
is
a
dangerous
approach,
although
I
I
personally
don't
choose
just
to
do
geography
at
gcse
or
a
level.
I
would
still
have
liked
to
have
been
educated
about
what
my
future
could
look
like
due
to
the
climate
crisis
and
many
others
feel
the
same
way
according
to
teach
the
future
uk,
only
four
percent
of
students
feel
that
they
know
a
lot
about
climate
change
and
68
want
to
learn
more
about
the
environment.
J
This
clearly
shows
a
willingness
to
learn
more
about
this
topic
among
young
people.
Unfortunately,
schools
are
not
equipped
to
teach
students
properly
about
climate
change,
with
75
percent
of
teachers
feeling
that
they
do
not
have
adequate
training
to
do
this.
A
change
is
needed
in
the
curriculum
to
ensure
that
students
and
teachers
alike
are
fully
aware
of
the
impact
that
climate
change
is
having
on
our
planet.
We.
K
B
My
project
is
called
perfect
sense:
air
quality,
it's
about
measuring
the
air
quality
around
us
using
pin,
badges
and
satellites
when
I'm
on
my
way
to
school.
I
walk
on
a
main
road,
but
there's
also
a
side
street
that
you
can
go
across
on
the
side.
Street
loads
of
cars
go
past,
so
it
was
really
to
find
out
which
way's
healthier
for
us.
We
could
buy
a
device,
but
we
found
that
those
weren't
really
very
accurate
and
we
wanted
to
build
our
own.
B
So
we
did
that
and
we
kind
of
realized
that
we
could
make
it
bigger
and
that
more
people
could
have
it
as
well.
My
friends
and
I
we've
been
wearing
the
badges
on
the
way
to
school,
and
it's
been
really
nice
to
collect
our
own
data,
that's
precise
to
our
own
location.
We
have
changed
our
lifestyle
me
and
my
friends,
because
now,
when
we're
waiting
at
a
traffic
light,
we
take
a
few
steps
back
because
we
found
that
it's
a
lot
healthy
there.
B
B
A
Brilliant
they
were
really
good.
The
first
two
talked
about
education
resources,
so
which
brings
us
today's
theme
is
children
and
young
people
and
education,
as
you
can
see
from
the
other
items
on
the
agenda,
so
I
thought
those
first
two
films
were
really
instructive
to
us
about
getting
climate
emergency
into
the
into
the
curriculum.
A
lot
more
so
there's
there's
discussions
to
be
had
there
and
the
third
one.
That
was
an
excellent
bit
of
tech.
Wasn't
it
so.
A
I'm
wondering
what
do
colleagues
think
about
taking
those
three
items.
Further.
We've
got
obviously
the
rest
of
today
where
we're
talking
about
climate,
emotion,
priorities
and
we've
got
a
working
group's
update,
but
item
nine
is
really
really
important
for
us.
Isn't
it
so
an
item
ten?
Obviously
the
emergency
toolkit
for
your
people,
so
we're
gonna
speak
about
those
issues
in
those
two
items.
So
if
that's
all
right
colleen
should
we
move
on
to
our
working
groups,
update
yep,
cool,
okay
and
then
I
can
hand
over
to
polly
for
that.
H
So
if
I
start
with
the
transport
working
groups
at
the
last
transport
working
group,
we
reviewed
the
transport
strategy
that
was
taken
to
exec
board
in
december
and
gave
members
chance
one
to
have
a
presentation
by
the
team
that
had
developed
it.
But
then
also
to
ask
questions
and
to
explore
the
areas
they
were
particularly
interested
in.
H
We've
got
quite
an
interesting
agenda
plan
for
the
next
couple
of
meetings,
so
we've
managed
to
ask
professor
lindsey
stringer
from
the
university
of
york
to
come
and
present
on
soil
management,
which
was
a
direct
request
from
members
to
understand
how
to
improve
carbon
capture
and
biodiversity
with
the
most
productive
soil
management
and
how
we
can
use
that
in.
In
the
advice
that
we
give
out.
H
As
a
council,
and
and
also
we
are
working
to
get
somebody
from
the
vertical
farming
community
to
come
and
present
as
well
to
explain
that
in
a
bit
more
detail
to
members,
we
also
have
a
document
that
the
university
produced,
which
has
compared
cities
across
the
country
in
terms
of
their
their
road
map
on
food
and
and
so
we're.
Looking
at
one
of
the
meetings.
H
H
The
meeting
is
actually
tomorrow
and
at
tomorrow's
meeting
they
will
be
looking
at
some
of
the
key
projects
and
the
progress,
so
the
public
sector
decarbonisation
fund
domestic
grants
and
european
funding,
and-
and
they
will
also
be
looking
at
the
local
plan,
update
and
the
policies
that
are
specifically
around
climate
emergency
and
starting
to
shape
their
the
work
plan
for
that
group
going
forward
for
the
rest
of
the
year.
Thank
you,
excellent.
A
D
A
D
A
I
I
was
wanting
to
comment
on
the
open
forum
as
well,
but
I
think
you're
having
some
technical
issues
that
you
missed
a
couple
of
us,
but
I
I
can
raise
them
later
from
the
agenda.
I
was
really
just
wanting
to
say
the
really
important
message
from
from
all
three
was
that
there
were
resources
that
have
been
made
available
for
teachers,
but
also
for
young
people
to
get
their
own
data
to
also
for
teachers
to
make
their
jobs
easier
in
terms
of
developing
the
curriculum.
A
J
Yeah,
it's
it's
something
I'll
bring
up
with
the
biodiversity
group,
but
I
think
I
want
to
raise
here
because
it'll
be
a
piece
of
work,
I'm
going
to
request
to
be
looked
at
and,
after
speaking,
to
people
who
have
been
doing
a
bit
of
research
in
terms
of
our
tree
planting
tragedy,
one
of
the
issues
they've
raised
is
actually
about
the
diversity
of
planting
around
the
trees
in
terms
of
being
able,
particularly
some
of
our
areas.
J
It's
not
just
trees,
so
a
bit
of
work
to
go
to
the
parks
and
country,
and
it's
like
something
I'm
going
to
raise
off
the
back
of
the
conversation
that
was
had
with
me
at
the
biodiversity
group.
A
No
excellent
point:
yeah
yeah,
we'll
we'll
incorporate
that
that's
really
interesting,
okey
dokey
any
no
more
questions
and
on
working
groups;
okay,
fantastic
in
that
case,
let's
move
on
to
item
nine,
which
is
children's
and
young
people
climate
emerging
priorities.
This
is
such
an
important
item.
D
It
was
just
a
comment
actually
that
just
talking
about
the
biodiversity
and
the
whole
food
thing
there's
bee,
I
don't
know
whether
you've
seen
it
in
the
press.
Just
over
the
last
few
days,
there's
been
quite
a
bit
about
which,
on
the
face
of
it,
seems
a
minor
matter
apples,
but
actually,
when
you
read
it,
it's
not
as
strange
as
you
might
think.
D
99
of
the
apples
offered
are
very,
very
popular
apples,
but
the
reason
they're
popular
is
because
they
look
nice
and
the
price
is
low
and
a
lot
of
them
are
actually
imported,
yeah
and
yet
and
yet
tastier
apples,
it
may
be
slightly
higher.
Price
are
grown
here
and
they're
all
over
the
place.
D
You
know,
we've
got
two
apple
trees
in
our
garden
and
but
they
look
knobbly
and
and
all
sorts
of
things
and
the
supermarkets
don't
like
them
and
there's
a
whole
discussion
here
about
how
people
can
buy
fruits
and
vegetables
that
look
a
bit
of
a
mess,
but
actually
are
great.
A
Yeah,
I
completely
agree
I
totally
advocate
buying.
I
don't
want
to
particularly
plug
a
particular
supermarket,
but
there's
a
chain
of
supermarkets
that
does
wonky
veg
and
I
completely
advocate
buying
those
but
you're
right.
Let's
add
that
to
the
to
the
biodiversity
working
group
about
because
it
is
a
really
interesting
issue,
because
it
is
a
native
species
and
it's
an
easy
carbon
wing,
you
would
think
yeah
good
app
yeah.
Let's
add
that
to
our
food
and
biodiversity
working
group
agenda.
That's
really
interesting!
A
K
Thank
you
chair.
Can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
yep
good
morning
councillors
and
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
address
the
committee
today
and
as
the
chair
has
said,
my
name
is
steve
roose.
I
work
in
the
health
and
well-being
service
in
the
department
of
children
and
families
at
leeds
city
council,
I
can
introduce
an
agenda
item
nine
children
and
young
people's
climate
emergency
priorities.
K
The
pandemic,
of
course,
put
paired
to
best
laid
plans,
and
instead
we
invited
our
primary
schools
to
get
creative
for
the
planet
through
an
autumn
half
term
project
to
produce
a
short
video
film
summarizing
what
schools
were
doing
to
meet
the
three
priorities
from
the
secondary
summit,
as
well
as
identifying
their
schools
upon
environmental
priorities.
Yeah.
I
There's
a
really
horrible
background
noise.
I'm
not
sure
what
it
is.
It's
I'm
struggling
to
hear
with
the
sound.
F
K
No
counsellor,
no!
It's
I'm
just
running
from
my
laptop
near
nothing.
A
Stopped
it
has
well
one
of
the
mysteries
of
the
internet.
Okay,
steve
jonah,
carry
on.
K
K
Yourself,
sorry
about
that,
chair,
yes,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
we
had
three
short
video
films
to
screen
for
you
today
and
I'm
hoping
at
some
point.
We
will
be
joined
by
colleagues
from
richmond
hill
primary
academy
and
a
pupil
who
to
introduce
their
video,
I'm
not
sure
they're
here
at
the
moment,.
K
In
which
case,
if,
if
we
could
just
allow,
is
mary
meng
stamp
on
the
call.
B
L
K
K
How
are
you
good
good,
so
are
you
going
to
introduce
your
video
film
from
richmond
hill
primary
academy
today.
K
M
Yeah
yeah
mary's
she's
ready
to
answer
the
questions.
She
maybe
wasn't
going
to
introduce
it
so
yeah.
M
Yeah
absolutely
thank
you,
steve
yeah.
I
I'm
a
year
five
teacher
at
richmond
hill
primary
academy,
and
I
also
run
the
eco
club
there
and
we
have
been
doing
a
number
of
community-based
projects
over
the
last
18
months,
including
community
cleanups,
where
we
met
steve
and
then
up,
but
then
also
as
part
of
the
ghost
trust
as
a
trust.
M
We're
committed
to
being
carbon
neutral
by
2025,
which
is
quite
a
big
ass,
but
something
we're
trying
really
hard
towards
and
as
such,
we
set
up
a
green
group
across
the
entire
trust,
incorporating
fe
secondary
and
primary
schools,
and
mary
is
the
representative
of
richmond
hill
on
that.
Unfortunately,
a
lot
of
our
plans
as
everyone
else's
were
were
scuppered
this
year,
but
there
are
a
number
of
ongoing
projects
we've
got,
which
have
just
been
kind
of
moved
back
now
slightly
now
in
this
video.
We
do
talk
about
them.
M
M
But
you
get
the
main
points
of
it
and
and
as
part
of
the
get
creative
pass
with
in
harmony
schools,
where
every
child
has
the
amazing
opportunity
to
learn
an
instrument
from
when
they
enter
school
in
reception
and
our
themes
links
into
the
climate
this
year
and
we
looked,
we
were
looking
at
single-use
plastic
linked
it
into
plastics
in
the
ocean
and
we
learned
a
piece
of
music
in
year.
M
B
Great,
so
chad
could
we
play
the
richmond
hill
video,
please
thank
you.
L
J
L
Some
of
the
projects
we
have
undertaken
include
taking
part
in
community
cleanups,
with
numbers
of
local
community
leaders,
council,
picking
up
picking
up
rubbish
and
the
local
area
we
have.
We
have
room
campaigns
to
encourage
pupils
to
walk
to
school
and
not
leave
their
cars
cars
running
near
school.
L
We
have
also
made
sure
that
the
school
have
installed
recycling
bins
in
every
classroom
and
that
all
pupils
have
their
own
multi-use
glasses.
As
we
address
the
issue
of
single-use
plastics,
we
have
written
a
student
group
charter
which
will
be
launched
to
schools
in
assemblies
and
will
be
displayed
in
class
adventures.
G
L
L
L
A
D
Yeah
thanks
chair
and
I
have
to
say
I
thought
those
films
were
fantastic,
really
really
impressive
and
they
were
nicely
presented
and
really
interesting.
Just
a
couple
of
things
could
you
could
perhaps
mr
nelson
just
explain
the
how
the
relationship
with
opera
north
works?
I
was
very
interested
in
that,
but
also
just
a
comment
about
this
whole
aspect
of
car
engines,
running
idling
and
so
on.
D
It's
an
ongoing
problem
actually
and
we
all
think
it's
a
bad
thing
and
we,
I
was
on
the
walk
the
other
day
and
there
were
three
lee
city
council
vans
all
sitting
there
all
with
the
engines
running,
and
we
need
to
be
careful
that
we
set
the
example
that
if,
if
those
queries
could
just
be
answered,
I'd
be
very
grateful.
M
Yeah,
happily
so
oprah
north
have
obviously
been
leads
based,
I
know
they've,
they
started
a
kind
of
community
engagement
work
with
primary
schools
about
four
or
five
years
ago.
I
think
I
believe
windmill
primary
may
be
the
first
one
they
worked
with
and
we're
quite
lucky
that
we
have
some
links
with
them.
Already.
M
Our
principal
is
a
vastly
trained
performer,
that's
one
of
her
many
things
in
her
past
life
and
she
had
some
contacts
there
anyway,
so
we
engaged
with
them
and
the
trust
supporters
in
the
first
year,
but
we
now
kind
of
do
that
ourselves,
so
they
come
into
school
and
they
teach
instrumentalism
and
then
also
you
perform
as
an
orchestra
and
they
teach
singing
and
their
professional
singers
come
in
each
week.
So
the
the
skills
used
to
live
in
music.
M
M
Just
you
can't
move
for
music
in
the
school,
it's
amazing
and
yeah,
and
the
level
that
some
of
the
children
have
kind
of
come
to
is
fantastic,
obviously,
lots
of
studies
around
kind
of
engaging
different
sides
of
the
brain
and
how
it
can
help
it
can
help
you
kind
of
improve
in
other
academic
areas
as
well,
and
it's
just
been-
it's
been
huge
for
these
kids,
the
cultural
capital.
M
So
some
of
these
kids
are
experiencing
you
know
is
amazing
and
they
come
in
and
they'll
do
whistle,
stop
operas
in
the
playground
for
the
parents
in
the
community
and
we'll
have
hundreds.
You
know
pretty
pandemic
we'd
have
hundreds
of
people
from
the
surrounding
areas
that
kind
of
eastern
park
and
and
richmond
and
cross
green
in
the
air
in
the
in
the
playground
listening
to
opera
and
it's
beautiful,
absolutely
beautiful.
A
F
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
very
much
mary
for
coming
to
share
this
with
us
with
your
teacher.
Mr
nelson
inspirational
is
what
I
will
say:
fantastic,
I'm
really
interested
in
the
link
with
the
music,
which
is
really
important.
I
was
going
to
ask
the
question
that
councillor
warsaw
has
asked
about
which
your
favorite
instrument
is.
I
love
the
cello
as
well.
Okay,
so
can
I
just
ask
what
you
would
like
to
share
most
with
sort
of
other
schools?
F
I
know
that
you're
part
of
you
know
in
the
academy
chain,
if
you
were
to
send
a
message
out
to
anybody
else.
That's
like
your
age,
you
know
what
would
you
say
to
them?
I.
L
Would
I
would
say
that
it's
that
all
of
all
of
this
is
a
huge
problem,
because
because,
especially
as
young
people,
we
don't
we
don't
really
notice
and
and
because
and
because
we,
and
because
we
are
the
future,
we
we
need
to
notice
this
problem
before
it
gets
worse.
A
I've
got
council,
bailey
and
council
of
color
I'll
just
remind
members.
We've
got
two
more
wonderful
schools
to
do
as
well.
After
this,
so
councillor,
bentley
and
then
council,
carlo.
E
Thank
you
chair,
just
just
to
repeat
what
my
colleague
said:
congratulations,
I
was
a
really
good
presentation
and
the
music
is
fantastic
and
I
was
going
to
ask
the
same
question
about
how
you
get
that
contact
with
with
with
oprah
north,
so
I'll
move
on
from
that.
This
is
really
a
question
for,
for
mr
nelson,
I
think
schools
get,
I
could
say,
put
on.
E
E
M
That's
a
very
good
question,
and
especially
at
the
moment
in
this
climate,
you
know
we
came
back
in
september,
where
we
essentially
had
to
try
and
teach.
For
example,
I
was
teaching
year
five
plus
what
we
missed
in
year,
four
and
trying
to
prep
the
kids
to
be
ready
for
whatever
exams
it
might
take
next
year.
So
a
minute,
it's
been
very,
very
hard
and
we've
had
to
try
and
kind
of
squeeze
things
into
a
really
crowded
curriculum.
M
So
I
supposed
to
answer
the
pressure's
there,
no
matter
what
obviously
you've
got
your
core
offering
and
the
core
national
curriculum
and
then
a
lot
of
it
is
discretionary.
M
But
if
you
don't
offer
the
children
the
the
most
rounded
curriculum
you
can
included
in
every
aspect
of
it,
you're
not
doing
them
any
favors
and
especially
the
children.
We
work
within
the
communities
that
we're
proud
to
be
part
of
and
be
in,
the
middle
of
you
know
to
enable
these
kids
to
flourish
in
later
life.
M
You
need
to
to
offer
them
every
opportunity,
experience
every
type
of
curriculum,
and
I
know
some
some
schools,
through
whatever
choices,
might
feel
that
you
know
looking
down
a
more
academic
route
might
be
more
beneficial
for
the
kids
in
some
ways,
but
we
we
believe
that,
even
though
it
is
difficult
and
some
things
we
need
to
offer
as
after
school
opportunities,
rather
than
during
the
school
day,
if
we
don't
let
them
have
the
chance
to
to
to
access
everything.
There
is
out
there,
especially
creative
arts.
They
will
not
do
them
any
favors.
M
E
Thanks
very
much
that
that's
excellent
and
best
of
luck
in
everything
you're
doing
it,
it's
brilliant!
Thank
you.
Thank.
G
Quick
question
for
from
mary,
really
just
following
the
activities
that
you've
done
with
the
eco
club
and
with
the
school
has
it
has
it
made
you
think
differently
about
what
you
do
and
also
do
you
think
it's
made.
You
start
nagging
your
parents.
If
you
see
that
they're
doing
something
that
that
you've
learned
that
we
should
be
trying
to
do
less.
L
A
I
Thank
you
church
very
quickly,
echo
the
thanks
and
congratulations.
Everybody
else
has
already
given
to
richmond
hill
primary
school
peoples,
great
video,
lovely,
to
hear
the
music
and
to
hear
the
way
in
which,
using
that
to
boost
other
parts
of
the
curriculum
as
well,
really
important
for
maths
as
well,
as
is
music,
just
really
keen
to
ask
mr
nelson.
I
He
was
here,
I
think,
for
the
earlier
open
forum
presentations
and
I
just
wondered
whether
they
were
aware
of
the
resources
that
both
robbie
and
woody
were
talking
about
in
the
early
presentations
and
if
that
would
help
them
as
a
school
if
they
were
accessing
those
resources
to
be
able
to
put
the
environmental
learning
into
their
curriculum.
M
I
think
I
came
at
the
end
of
the
open
forum,
so
I'm
sorry
about
that.
But
one
thing
I've
got
at
the
moment
is,
if
I'm
kind
of
in
school
and
then
out
of
school
kind
of
teaching
teaching
a
bit
vulnerable,
then
back
at
home
for
a
week.
But
one
thing
I've
got
is
time,
and
one
thing
I'm
looking
at
is
is
how
we
can
develop
the
work
we're
doing
this
year.
M
So
if
there
are
any
resources
that
might
help
with
that,
that'd
be
amazing,
especially
because,
as
one
of
the
children
said
in
the
video,
we
are
becoming
a
wildlife
school
as
of
april
and
we're
going
to
have
this
amazing
outdoor
learning
environment,
and
I
want
to
really
make
sure
the
kids
can
kind
of
it
can
become
an
experiential
learning
thing
for
them,
and
it
can
really
kind
of
you
know
start
to
live
the
curriculum.
So
if
there's
any
any
resources
that
might
help
with
any
aspects
of
it,
it
will
be
absolutely
phenomenal.
A
Well,
we
will
make
sure
we
we
send
everything
that
we
have
on
to
you,
because
I
think
that
that
would
be
good.
That
would
be
great.
Thank
you,
brilliant
there's,
no
more,
no
more
speakers,
so
I
just
probably
take
this
opportunity
to
to
thank
mary
and
thank
mr
nelson
for
coming
along
this
morning.
I
was
really
great,
really
informative
and
yeah.
Thank
you.
A
You
you're
most
welcome
to
stay
on
the
call
providing
the
technology
holds
up
you
you
don't
have
to,
though
either
it's
entirely
up
to
you,
but
if
we
could-
but
thank
you
very
much
once
again,
so
we
could
move
on
to
our
next
school
harriet,
which
is
strawberry
fields,
primary
school
we've.
No
there's
no
representatives
from
the
school
in
attendance,
but
we've
got
a
video
for
to
be
introduced
by
steve.
K
Yes,
chair
thanks
again,
I've
switched
my
video
off.
I
don't
know
whether
I
was
causing
the
problem
on
the
call.
I
just
think
it
might
help.
Can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
harriet.
B
K
I'm
not
claiming
that
it
was
down
to
me,
but
I
just
thought:
I'd
eliminate
all
kind
of
possibilities.
So
yes,
thank
you
and-
and
actually,
if
I
can
just
say
thanks
to
andrew,
if
he's
still
on
and
mary
and
strawberry
fields
did,
until
friday,
fully
attend
presenting
their
own
video.
But
on
top
of
everything
else,
that's
going
on
in
schools.
We
had
some
snow
days
at
the
end
of
last
week,
which
meant
schools
were
closed.
K
So,
unfortunately,
we
weren't
able
to
get
the
safeguarding
in
place
for
for
pupils
to
come
along
today,
so
strawberry
fields
have
had
to
decline.
So
what
I
thought
I
I
would
do
is
is
just
tell
you
a
little
bit
briefly
about
the
film
that
you're
about
to
see.
K
So
it's
got
a
running
time
of
two
minutes
37
seconds
and
the
focus
is
on
what
is
a
school
they've
done,
including
litter,
picking
tree
planting,
visiting
recycling,
centers,
more
vegetarian
meals
and
then
focusing
on
what
they
could
do
so
you'll
see
they
talk
about
cycling
to
school
week
beyond
meat
days
and
raising
awareness
through
the
poster
campaign.
So
if
chad
we
could
play
that
film
now,
I
think
that'd
be
useful.
Thank
you.
L
When
I
was
in
year
one
we
did
litter
picking
so
last
year
we
set
up
a
growing
a
growth
tower
to
see
how
big
plants
could
get,
and
what
we've
done
in
the
past
is
we've
planted
trees
to
get
more
oxygen
and
most
of
the
council
planted
a
tree
each
from
each
class.
Every
week
we
have
a
neat
three
day
because
the
eco
council
wanted
to
do
it
in
strawberry
fields.
L
We've
also
planted
over
100
trees
near
the
back
fence,
but
I've
also
got
an
idea
of
my
own
since
we
can't
mix
bubbles,
and
maybe
each
class
at
a
different
time
with
some
supplies,
could
go
down
to
the
pond
area
and
fix
a
small
area
of
it.
Also,
we
can
make.
I
think
that
we
should
have
a
cycle
to
school
week
and
also
a
beyond
meat
week.
I
think
we
should
grow
my
trees
and
definitely
have
it
be
on
me
and
beyond
me,
tastes
exactly
like
me,
but
it's
actually
vegetables.
L
For
the
past
few
years,
we've
been
planting
trees
to
help
the
environment,
and
my
idea
is
to
hang
purses
about
the
environment
to
help
people
encouraged
to
save
this
world.
It's
the
only
one
we're
going
to
get.
I
think
we
should
plant
more
vegetables
because
we
can
use
them
in
the
dinner.
L
I
think
we
should
turn
our
old
scraps
and
fruit
and
veg
into
a
compost.
Thank
you
because
the
pond
there
is
a
mess
right
now.
I
was
thinking
if
we
could
probably
plant
some
more
flowers
and
plants.
Also,
we
can
make
our
own
book
hotels,
bird,
feeders
and
bird
food
as
well.
We
have
planted
over
100
trees
in
our
back
fence
and
we've
used
the
growing
tower
in
the
fall.
A
A
D
Yeah,
just
briefly
chair
again
great
great
stuff,
really
enjoyed
it.
Excellent,
just
mentioning
food
waste
there.
It's
interesting,
isn't
it
that
there
is
more
waste
of
food
now
caused
by
in
part
things
like
politicians
thought
a
generation
ago.
Oh
we'll
have
sell-by
dates,
and
I
just
wonder
whether
at
some
point
in
the
discussion
with
children
and
and
older
children,
this
could
be
brought
out
in
the
sense
that
our
grandmothers
would
say
to
us.
A
No
you,
you
raised
a
good
point.
I
so
council
garthware
and
I
work
a
lot
with
the
real
junk
food
project
in
in
in
hyde
park
and
obviously
they
use
all
their
stuff
as
sort
of
stuff.
That's
passed
itself
by
day
or
waste
of
it
and
isn't
all
and
there's
nothing
wrong
with
it,
and
I
think
that's
it's
one
of
our
roles
is
to
lobby,
and
I
think
we
can
add
that
to
the
to
the
long
lobbying
list
as
well.
Councilor
buckley
about
it
is
an
important
issue.
A
F
A
very
very
quick
point
about
this:
whilst
we
were
all
listening
to
the
wonderful
contributions
just
to
flag
up
that
they
got
al
gore's,
an
inconvenient
truth
as
background.
I
was
just
making
that
point
in
case
anybody
hadn't
noticed.
K
A
K
Yes,
thanks
counselor,
so
the
final
film
we
have
today
is
from
kurtzel
sent
stephen's
cv
primary
school.
It's
got
a
running
time
of
just
over
two
minutes
and
again
in
conversation
with
colleagues
at
the
school
and
they're,
unfortunately
not
able
to
make
it
because
just
what's
going
on
in
schools,
it's
just
reflective
of
that.
K
L
L
L
We
made
sure,
as
many
families
know,
about
the
collection
and
through
our
website
and
newsletter,
and
it's
proving
a
popular
way
to
read
youtube
rather
than
having
to
find
you
every
time.
Breathe.
New
life
into
old
clothes,
donate
repair
swap
sell,
recycle
globally.
One
garbage
truck
of
textiles
is
landfilled
or
burned.
Every
second
2
700
liters
water
needed
to
make
one
cotton
t-shirt
if
every
child
starting
primary
school
this
year
in
leeds
had
just
has
just
one
in
their
uniform.
That's
two
27
million
liters
of
water.
L
L
A
That
was
excellent.
I
think
school
uni,
I
mean
people,
people,
understanding
the
impact
of
clothing
and
fashion
on
the
environments
are
really
really
big
issue
so
pleased
that
the
school's
really
on
top
of
it,
I
think
uniform
exchange
is
a
really
good
idea.
I
know
counsellors
hesselwood
and
bethel
are
coordinated
and
a
lot
of
programs
across
the
across
the
schools
in
leeds
to
do
this.
I
think
it's
absolutely
fantastic
council
in
illinois.
You've
got
your
hand
raised.
D
Just
to
say,
I
hear
your
words
that
this
fantastic
work
done
by
jules
and
hannah
in
getting
this
scheme
off
the
ground
and
all
power
to
its
elbows.
It
it
needs
to
to
do
go
a
long
way.
It's
amazing
that
we've
been
so
long
getting
around
to
doing
it,
but
but
having
started.
I
think
we
should
make
it
a
real
feature
of
the
local
environment.
A
Excellent,
it's
an
issue
as
time
has
come.
I
think
very
much
so
councilor
bentley.
E
Thanks
chair
yeah,
I
think,
probably
at
a
local
level.
There's
always
been
this
exchange
of
uniforms
or
passing
down
uniforms
within
a
particular
school,
but
I
think
widening
it
is
is
very
important.
So
all
schools
benefit
from
that.
I
think
one
of
the
hurdles
to
come
to
to
to
get
across,
particularly
in
certain
schools
in
certain
areas
of
the
city
is,
is
the
apparent
sort
of
stigma
of
wearing
secondhand
clothes
and
sort
of
you
know.
E
It
demonstrates
impoverishing
us
and
everything
else,
and
I
think
you've
got
to
get
over
that
and
I
think
the
the
charity
shop
movement
has
got
over
that
to
some
extent,
particularly
amongst
younger
people,
and
I
say
younger
people-
sort
of
you
know
up
up
to
sort
of
their
30s
40s
they're
much
younger
there,
but
but
you
know
what
and
almost
getting
a
pride
in
it.
Oh
look
at
this.
You
know
very
expensive
designer
thing.
E
I've
I've
got,
but
I
only
paid
two
quid
for
it
and,
and
I
think
getting
over,
that
sort
of
that's
wearing
secondhand
clothes
or
used
clothes
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
them
is.
It
is
a
positive,
not
not
a
negative
thanks,
chair.
A
No,
no
thank
you.
The
sort
of
the
impact
of
like
fast
fashion
has
really,
I
think,
really
made
an
impact
among
and
that's
a
very,
very
generous
interpretation
of
young
people
council
bentley,
because
I
think
you
actually
included
myself
who's
rapidly
approaching
46.
I
think
it's
a
bit
too
generous,
but
I
know
you
mean,
but
the
20-somethings
and
30-somethings,
where
now
the
parents
are
much
much
more
aware
of
this
and
what
we
remember
one
of
our
earlier
meetings.
I
Thank
you,
chad.
I
just
really
wanted
to
say:
we've
had
a
really
good
range
of
suggestions
and
contribution,
three
presentations
and
across
the
last
two
in
particular,
the
themes
around
reducing
waste,
really
powerful
messages
that
I
think
we
can
share
across
all
of
our
schools,
and
I
think
that
the
point
is
that
this
is
the
right
thing
to
do.
For
the
environment.
It
will
also
save
people
money
and
certainly
you
know-
I
went
to
school
in
halton
more
and
there
was
no
shame
about
using
secondhand
clothes.
I
Frankly,
when
I
was
at
school,
I
had
a
lot
of
cousins,
though
as
well,
which
helps
so.
I
just
again
also
like
to
congratulate
councillor
hasselwood
and
council
bethel
for
the
work,
particularly
in
in
a
northwest,
and
it's
already
been
mentioned.
I
But
in
fact
the
way
in
which
all
of
the
young
people
who
we've
heard
from
today
have
understood
that
this
is
about
saving
the
planet
and
that
by
doing
their
bit
by
decreasing
the
use
of
plastic
as
mary
was
talking
about
earlier
and
getting
that
message
home
to
like
small
businesses,
and
we
know
we're
trying
to
get
the
governments
to
take
it.
I
Uniform
we've
got
schemes
in
my
ward
and
schemes
across
the
city
that
have
been
created
by
local
volunteers,
but
actually
there's
a
kind
of
way
in
which
you
can
access
the
whole
wealth
of
those
through
through
one
resource
through
zero
waste
leads,
which
is
great
but
yeah,
just
really
welcome
the
voices
of
young
people
and
the
way
in
which
they're
going
to,
I
hope,
influence
and
shape
the
way
in
which
all
the
rest
of
us
behave
and
make
that
change
for
the
future.
Thank
you.
A
F
Yes,
I'd
like
to
promote
the
olio
food
waste
app
for
those
who
don't
know
about
it.
O
l,
I
o
and
olio,
is
an
app
that
connects
neighbors
with
each
other
and
with
local
businesses
so
that
surplus
food
can
be
shared
rather
than
thrown
away.
F
So
it's
food
nearing
its
sell
by
date
in
local
stores
or
spare
homegrown
vegetables
or
bread
or
groceries
on
your
fridge.
When
you
go
away,
for
example,
and
there's
non-food
household
items
as
well
and
it
works
by
making
an
item
available,
you
just
open
the
app
add
a
photo
description
when
and
where
it's
available
for
pickup
and
there's
also
a
network
of
volunteers
who
pick
up
a
lot
and
then
distribute
it.
F
So
it's
a
really
good
thing
you
can
go
in
and
if
there's
something
local
like
unsold
sandwiches
from
a
supermarket
at
five
in
the
evening
or
something
you
can
go
and
fetch
it.
So
I
think
it's
worth
looking
at.
You
can
arrange
a
pickup
if
it's
an
individual
by
private
messaging,
and
it
just
means
that
a
lot
of
things
that
would
otherwise
be
thrown
away,
don't
get
thrown
away.
A
Excellent,
I'm
going
to
look
for
that
at
the
app
store
when
we're
done
phenomenal,
excellent,
okay
and
then
councillor
buckley.
D
Yeah
thanks
chad,
just
picking
up
this
point
about
charity
shops
actually
going
back
a
decade
or,
let's
just
say
something
like
that
people
used
to
say.
Oh,
there
are
only
charity
shops
on
this
parade
and
it
was
seen
as
a
very
bad
thing
and
so
on
now
there
are
some
slightly
odd
economic
effects
of
charity
shops,
but
nevertheless,
their
existence
is
is
terrific
in
many
ways,
because
all
that
stuff,
which
would
have
once
been
thrown
out,
is
now
effectively
being
recycled.
D
My
wife
is
a
volunteer
at
a
mined
charity
shop
and
it's
great
and
people
buy
them
generally
because
it's
cheap,
obviously,
but
by
doing
that
they're
actually
helping
to
do
what
we
all
want
to
do,
and
I
think
it's
a
great
innovation.
A
I
completely
agree-
and
this
is
your
regular
reminder-
and
to
anyone
watching
that
under
normal
circumstances,
the
council's
revive
shop
at
kirkstall
is
fantastic
and
is
well
worth
donating
to,
and
I've
just
found
not
that
I'm
going
to
try
to
show
you
to
my
camera,
but
I've
just
found
olio
on
the
app
store
so
easily
available
downloadable
phenomenal
excellent.
Now,
no
no
more
speakers.
A
B
A
B
H
Okay,
so
we're
just
going
to
give
a
sneak
preview:
it's
not
live
yet,
so
it's
a
dummy
version
at
the
moment.
So
what
we've
done
with
the
leads
by
example
website
is
develop
to
youth
page
and
and
it
it
builds
on
the
forum
that
steve
talked
about
earlier.
So
the
children
at
that
forum
came
up
with
what
they
thought.
Their
key
priorities
were,
and
we've
developed
a
resource
that
reflects
that
and
what
we
hopefully
do
is
provide
lots
of
links
through
to
other
resources.
H
So
some
of
the
educational
material
question
that
was
mentioned
earlier,
there's
examples
of
that,
and
it
looks
at
three
examples
of
things:
people
can
do
at
home,
at
school
and
in
the
community
so
that
children
can
do
and
it's
kind
of
within
their
reach,
rather
than
suggesting
children
put
solar
panels
on
their
roofs.
It's
things
that
are
a
bit
more
manageable.
J
H
So
this
will
be
an
additional
page
specifically
for
young
people
and,
and
so
it
brings
out
the
three
things.
So
what
can
people
do
at
home,
looking
at
planning
meals,
ahead,
focusing
on
reducing
food
waste
having
a
go
at
reducing
meat
consumption
and
there's
videos
and
examples
there
and
some
recipes
and
then
how
you
would
use
energy
usage
in
your
home?
H
There's
extra
tips
as
well
about
looking
at
your
own
footprint
and
also
about
some
things
to
do
with
biodiversity
and
gardening,
then
at
school.
These
are
the
three
things
steve
mentioned
earlier,
so
tackling
the
single-use
plastic,
promoting
sustainable,
travelling
travel
and
organising
a
uniform
swap.
So
it
provides
the
links
through
to
all
the
different
initiatives
that
are
happening
across
the
city
and
obviously
the
website
can
be
updated.
It
can
be
changed.
H
We
can
add
in
additional
links
as
they
come
to
light
and
and
so
in
here
we've
got
specifically
got
the
teach
climate
change
as
a
heading
and
in
there
we
referenced
what
robbie
flagged
earlier
about
lead,
decks,
climate
change,
lessons
and
the
waste
and
recycling
e-learning
and
various
different
e-learning,
not
e-learning,
different
teaching
materials
that
are
available
and
also
information
on
how
to
set
up
an
eco
committee
and
also
the
link
to
sort
of
serving
planet
friendly
school
meals
that
obviously
leave
catering
I've
been
working
on
for
the
last
year
and
then
the
things
that
children
could
also
do
in
their
community.
H
So
we've
already
heard
from
mr
nelson
and
mary
about
the
fact
that
they've
been
involved
in
the
community
cleanups,
but
it
provides
the
link
through.
So
people
know
how
to
do
that,
and
also
about
providing
event
like
organizing
events
for
some
of
the
specific
days
and
links
through
to
the
different
websites
that
can
do
that
and
awareness
of
recycling
and
then
the
last
one
is
just
about.
Actually
how
can
children
have
a
voice
in
leads,
so
it
provides
them
with
some
of
the
examples.
H
So
it's
an
early
show,
but
it
gives
a
good
good
view
of
what's
there.
So
not
that
with
me.
Thank
you
councillor
sure.
A
Thank
you,
yeah.
Thank
you,
polly
yeah,
it
it's
shaping
up
really.
Well,
I
mean
I
I
particularly
like
it.
If
you've
got
any
questions
for
the
torque
and
then
as
steve
rightly
points
out,
we've
got
a
couple
of
recommendations
to
look
at
after
the
toolkit,
so
counselor
illinois,
you
had
your
hand
raised
your
base
just
a
very.
D
Quick
question
chair:
how
do
we
get
into
the
toolkit?
This
is
a
rough
version.
Is
it
available
on
the
web,
which
is
where
do
we
go
for
it.
H
So
it's
on
the
leads
by
example,
website
which
I
can
send
the
link
through
so
I'll
put
it
in
the
chat
afterwards.
Actually
so
everyone
can
see
it
and
then
it's
just
one
of
the
pages
at
the
moment
that
page
isn't
live
but
where,
obviously,
when
that
page
goes
live,
we'll
do
lots
of
promotion
and
promote
it
to
schools
and
just
generally
on
our
normal
social
media
and
things.
But
at
the
moment
the
other
five
pages
are
already
live.
A
Next
one
thanks
polly
council
for
safe.
F
And
just
quickly
and
just
a
thought,
one
of
the
things
that's
coming
through,
especially
with
the
uniform,
is
about
the
sort
of
money
that
can
be
saved
by
taking
these.
So
I
wonder
whether
that
sort
of
theme
could
be
somewhat
included
in
this
thinking
about
going
meat-free,
for
example,
rather
than
being
seen
as
a
negative,
in
other
words,
for
young
people
to
be
able
to
put
it
across
that
way.
If
having
conversations
within
their
families.
A
Yeah,
it's
really
it's
a
really
good
point.
We're
all
striving
to
find
the
right
language
to
address
environmental
issues
and
bringing
economics
in
is
a
is
a
really
good
one.
A
bit
like
the
way
when
we
start
to
talk
about
air
quality
as
a
public
health
issue,
as
well
as
an
environmental
issue
and
then
assuming
a
lot
more
people
are
interested
in
air
quality
thanks
very
much
and
any
more
points
on
that
item.
I
All
right,
sorry,
just
just
very
quickly
just
wanted
to
say
I
think
across
the
last
two
items.
This
is
kind
of
kind
of
merged
into
item
10.
Hasn't
it
really
important
to
recognize
the
way
in
which
counsellors
kept
all
of
the
old
departments.
So
it's
not
kind
of
seen
as
a
silo
just
for
one
part
of
the
council
and,
for
example,
stephen's
video
of
the
way
which
even
the
refuse
team
are
getting
involved
and
supported
the
uniform
recycling
initiative
through
provision
of
the
green
bins.
I
So
absolutely
brilliant
and
thanks
to
steve,
I
think,
as
well
pleased
for
the
way
in
which
the
healthy
schools
team
are
also
supporting
our
work
to
become
a
carbon
neutral
city
so
register.
A
Agree,
but
it
is
it's
a
huge
cross-cutting
issue,
as
we
say
yeah,
so
we've
got
in
our
report.
We've
got
I'm
just
clicking
onto
it
on
my
screen
section.
Six
on
this
item
is
a
series
of
recommendations.
A
This
points
efg
and
h,
I'm
not
proposing
to
to
read
all
those
out,
but
he's
politically
asking
us
to
to
look
to
how
we
can
support
the
schools
and
to
identify
their
own
environmental
priorities
and
looking
to
how
to
support
them
to
produce
a
climate
action
roadmap
and
that's
in
appendix
two
of
your
your
documents
as
well,
and
I
think
we
very
much
want
to
do
that
as
a
committee
and
then
to
identify
appropriate
next
steps
with
specific
under
consideration
to
focus
on
engaging
with
trial
friendly,
leads
ambassadors,
the
next
available
opportunity,
but
I
think
we
certainly,
as
a
committee,
won't
want
to
do
that
and
looking
really
for
suggestions
how
how
best
we
can
do
that.
A
Colleagues,
obviously
we
see
a
lot
of
schools
are
really
interested
in
this
issue
and
switched
on
and
doing
a
lot
of
good
work
just
by
the
examples
we've
had
today.
So
what,
as
as
the
siak
brains,
trust?
What
do
we
want
to
do?
Next,
we've
got
about
sort
of
five
minutes
to
mull
over
this.
If
you
like,
before
we
move
on
to
to
the
west,
the
western
pension
fund
item
so
open
things
up:
brainstorming
session
council
for
safe,
so.
F
I'm
on
children's
and
family
scrutiny
as
well,
so
I
was
wondering
where
we
might
link
link
up
with
that
as
well.
Possibly
I've
raised
it
there
I
mean
this
is
all
about
joined
up
thinking.
I
think
that's
been
the
basic
theme
of
this
today.
All
sorts
of
things
coming
together.
J
A
No,
you
you're
right
customer.
I
Heron
chair,
I
know.
I
I
know
that
these
young
people
in
their
work
going
forward
and
we
do.
We
have
really
good
resource
in
the
council
through
hannah
lampley's
team.
All
those
opportunities
at
the
end
of
the
toolkit
for
young
people
to
engage.
J
I
Okay,
to
kind
of
reflect
on
the
resource
that
we've
got
there
and
how
we
can
support
other
organizations
as
well
and
leads
climate
commission
to
talk
to
hada
and
richard
cracknell
about
the
work
they
do
and
ways
in
which
young
people's
voice
can
influence
the
whole
of
this
agenda.
But
in
ways
that
work
for
them
not
expecting
them
to
have
a
representative.
Someone
on.
J
I
I
Yeah,
sorry,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
much
have
you
heard.
You
heard
what
I
said,
but
just
the
way
in
which
the
voice
and
influence
team
have
shapes
the
way
the
council
approaches
everything
that
we
do
and
ensuring
that
young
people
can
have
their
voices
heard
and
influence
what
we
do.
I
I
So
it's
something
I've
already
spoken
to
the
climate
commission
about
and
ensuring
that
they
speak
to
hannah
and
blue
and
richard
cracknell
to
engage
with
them
about
the
best
ways
to
have
young
people's
voices
heard
and
at
least
climate
commission
and
the
other
point
I
was
going
to
say
was:
we
had
three
really
helpful
and
informative
open
forum
contributions
earlier
and
again,
some
really
good
ideas
there
for
supporting
young
people
to
engage
on
the
climate
emergency,
so
whether
it's
resources
for
schools
through
the
development
education
platform
that
robbie
was
talking
about
or
the
resources
that
ava
was
talking
about,
which
I
don't
think
any
of
us
had
ever
come
across
before
working
with
the
uk
space
agency.
I
A
Thanks
lisa
yeah,
I
completely
agree
with
all
of
those,
particularly
the
space
agency.
That's
quite
I
wasn't
expecting
that
that
was
really
impressive
and
yes,
knocking
the
video
off
really
did
help.
So,
mr
nelson,
you
got
your
hand
up
love
to
hear
from
a
teacher
on
this.
M
Yeah,
thank
you.
Sorry
to
interject.
Well,
yeah
I've
kind
of
been
listening
to
everything
and
and
trying
to
see
it
from
from
a
school's
perspective,
and
I
I
absolutely
echo
everything
everyone
said
you
know
and
and
I'm
thinking
about
the
specific
communities
that
kind
of
we
work
within
and
how
it
all
comes
together.
M
Most
of
need,
who
are
getting
absolutely
amazing,
support
from
all
the
different
kind
of
ideas
and
foundations
and
trusts
and
organizations
within
this
city,
of
which
you've
mentioned.
There's
so
many
out
there,
and
so
many
amazing
things
that
the
council
are
doing
and
supporting
in
the
different
worlds.
M
And
I
suppose
it's
kind
of
bringing
all
that
together
and
you,
I
suppose
what
you
want
to
do
is
just
so
many
kind
of
interlocked
but
disparate
at
the
same
time
kind
of
initiatives-
and
you
kind
of
like
want
to
bring
them
together
and-
and
I
think
that
the
the
page
on
on
the
website
does
that
really
really
strongly
really
well
and
we've
kind
of
done
a
similar
thing
in
school.
M
Where
we've,
I
wrote
a
kind
of
a
green
charter
for
the
school
which
was
number
one
for
kids,
then
for
all
teachers,
because
there's
some
things,
kids,
just
don't
think
about
turning
off
the
pcs
when
they
go
home
and
stuff
like
real
basic
stuff,
but
over
over
one
classroom
I'll,
do
it
over
30
classrooms.
Do
it
over
400
schools
in
the
city
and
suddenly
you
know
the
wastage
is
incredible
and
then
and
then
looking
at
then
and
then
that
going
out
to
parents
as
well.
M
So
the
next
step
was
going
to
be,
it
became
apparent,
a
community
launch
and
that
then
kind
of
snowballed
on
from
there.
So
I
think
the
framework
you've
got
on
that
page
is
really
good,
because
it
gives
schools
a
really
clear
pathway,
like
you
said,
a
kind
of
a
vehicle
for
doing
that,
and
that's
really
strong,
but
what
you
maybe
could
consider
where
maybe
we
could
help
a
little
bit
is
I'm
thinking
you
kind
of
want
it
to
come
all
these
different
resources?
You
want
it
to
come
assembly
ready,
so
to
speak.
M
You've
gone,
muted,
sorry,
it's
because
I
think
I
was
conscious
of
my
daughters
in
the
in
the
room
trying
not
to
kill
each
other
homeschooling,
it's
a
beautiful
thing
yeah,
so
it
kind
of
if
it
comes
kind
of
in
an
assembly-ready
package,
and
then
you
can
take
it
on
from
there.
That's
really
good
and
we
as
a
school
we're
quite
lucky.
You
know
working
with
the
support,
but
trust
we
have
people
who
film
videos
for
us.
You
know
we
have.
M
We
have
the
kind
of
access
to
resources
that
some
schools
don't,
and
I
know
steve's
done
a
load
of
really
amazing
things,
putting
together
kind
of
forums
and
and
trying
to
bring
together
the
schools
across
leeds.
Really
so
you
know
well,
but
it
it's
just
it's
difficult.
Sometimes
I
mean.
Maybe
the
idea
would
be
that
the
video
that
you've
got.
M
Maybe
I
mean
I'm
volunteering
ourselves
enough
to
be
honest,
we
could
put
together
something
that
essentially
presents
what
you're
offering
that's
on
that
page
as
as
as
a
kind
of
an
idea,
giving
examples
of
what
there
is
the
voice
of
the
of
the
pupils
that
are
doing
it
and
then
that
pupil
voice
that
young
people's
voices
there
and
then
they
can
take
it
on
from
there.
A
M
A
Early
interest-
that's
really
interesting.
I
know
officers
are
furiously
taking
notes
through
all
of
this.
So
there's
there's
a
lot
of
food
out
there.
Thanks
missing
us,
that's
really
really
really
really
helpful.
I've
got
a
couple
more.
I've
got
a
couple
of
my
hands
up.
I've
got
council,
bentley,
council,
illinois,
council
buckley,
and
then
I
want
to
wrap
this
item
up
folks.
A
E
Thanks
chair
just
following
on
from
the
the
theme
I
think
mr
nelson
was
developing,
I
think
we've
got
to
be
careful
as
a
committee,
we're
not
just
a
sponge
and
we're
taking
all
these
ideas
in
and
then
they're
not
seen
again
and-
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
we
we
we
could
do
is
perhaps
select
one
or
two
things.
E
We
could
actually
run
with
very
quickly
that
the
young
people
have
brought
to
us,
and
that
demonstrates
that
it's
worthwhile
bringing
ideas
and
young
people
they
listen
to
and
we
can
run
with
it
and
we
can
develop
it
across
the
city.
The
danger,
I
think,
is
trying
to
do
too
much
at
once
and
it
gets
diluted.
So
if
you
could
say,
look
here's
a
really
good
idea
and
we're
going
to
actually
put
the
weight,
what
weight
we've
got
of
this
committee
behind
it,
and
I
think
that
that
demonstrates
them.
E
E
A
couple
of
years
ago,
a
young
person
from
a
primary
school
in
the
ward
came
to
my
surgery
with
an
issue
about
road
safety
and
traffic,
and
I
persuaded
her
to
bring
a
deportation
to
council,
which
she
did
and
as
a
result
of
that,
a
pedestrian
crossing
was
improved,
and
there,
though,
she
was
listened
to-
and
that
was
the
message
for
that
school.
Look.
If
you've
got
an
issue,
take
it
to
somebody
and
they
should
listen,
and
you
should
get
things
done.
E
It
won't
always
happen,
but
but
it's
there,
and
I
think
we
could
do
the
same
with
some
ideas
from
from
the
young
people
on
climate
change.
That's
all
my
contribution
chair,
but
thanks
very
much
and
thanks
again
to
mr
nelson
and
all
the
other
pupils
and
teachers
who
are
doing
so
much
in
in
the
city.
It's
brilliant
thanks!
A
lot!
No.
A
Thanks
hansel
bentley,
I
think
pr,
perhaps
an
example
of
that.
What
we
could
do
is
make
sure
that
the
the
climate
toolkit
is
assembly
ready,
as
mr
nelson's
ray.
So
that's
your
point,
council
bentley,
mr
nelson's,
fusing
together
there.
I
think
we
can
make
sure
that
that's
good
to
go
through
steve
and
his
team.
I
think
that'd
be
something
we
could.
We
could
greatly
assist
with
right,
so
I've
got
councillor
illingworth,
I
think
john.
Did
you
have
your
hand
up?
Yes,
I
did
very
briefly.
A
D
On
you
can
still
hear
me,
I'm
just
going
to
say
that
it's
excellent,
what's
going
on
the
stunning
variety
of
ideas
and
and
new
ways
of
looking
at
things,
is
really
very
refreshing.
We
just
need
one
precautionary
measure.
I
think
we
needed
a
fact
checking
service,
discrete
quiet,
but
just
watching
our
backs,
because
with
lots
and
lots
of
contributions,
they
won't
be
100
correct.
D
A
Okey
dokey,
I
mean
we've
covered
a
lot
of
ground
with
schools,
there's
not
an
awful
an
awful
lot
going
on,
which
is
really
really
good
to
to
see.
But
let's,
let's
bring
that
item
to
a
close
there's
a
lot
of
actions
for
for
officers,
including
both.
D
D
It
was
only
a
quick
comment,
but
it's
taking
up
councillor
bentley's
point
actually
about
all
the
quick
examples
and
so
on,
and
if
you
go
back
right
to
appendix
one
there's
an
idea
there
right
at
the
top
of
what
can
be
done
at
school.
As
it
points
out.
J
D
It
also
looks
nice.
It
takes
a
little
bit
of
maintenance
every
so
often
somebody's
got
to
come
with
the
shears
and
make
sure
it
doesn't
go
rampant.
K
Thank
you,
I'm
just
looking
at
a
recommendation
v
in
the
report,
and
I
just
really
want
to
focus
in
on
on
on
that
following
some
of
the
observations
of
the
capitalist
today,
and
that
is
really
that
we
should
use
the
opportunity
that
we
have,
through
the
submission
of
these
films,
to
encourage
other
schools
to
do
a
similar
thing
and
what
we
have
by
way
of
quick
wins.
We've
got
the
climate
emergency
advice
page
that
we
will
signpost.
K
Schools
to
that
poll
is
referenced,
but
also
we
have
a
client
action
route
map,
that's
included
at
appendix
2,
and
the
climate
action
route
map
is
really
for
senior
leaders
in
school
to
put
in
place
the
infrastructure
to
allow
these
discussions
to
go
on
in
schools.
Every
submission
you've
seen
today
has
been
from
an
eco
team,
an
after
school
club.
What
we
need
to
be
doing
is
making
sure
this
is
within
the
curriculum
as
best
we
can
and
that
every
young
person
is
exposed
to
these
issues.
G
Sorry,
I
know
you
want
to
move
on.
I
just
didn't
want
to
make
one
quick
point.
I
was.
I
was
honored
earlier
that
was
it
councillor
bentley,
who
who
labeled
young
people
as
a
bracket
that
I
was
in,
but
I'm
very
conscious.
If
you,
if
you're
a
primary
school,
I
think
I'm
I'm
probably
one
of
the
sad
old
men
that
they
see
jabbering
about
these
things.
I
I
just
wanted
to
reinforce
on
that.
G
Then
young
people
throughout
this
have
told
us
how
importantly
they
think
this
agenda
is
and
how
much
they
want
to
take
this
on,
and
I
think
the
one
thing
I
wanted
to
reinforce
through
that
and
to
add
to
steve's
point
he
made
there
is
really.
I
think
they
want
to
own
this.
So
whatever
way
we
can
allow
children
to
change
their
school,
but
I
think,
as
building
on
councillor
bentley's
point
really
children,
probably
getting
to
the
older
ages,
want
to
be
able
to
change
their
city
as
well.
G
It's
a
way
they
don't
have
a
chance
to
do
through
the
democratic
process
at
the
moment
as
younger
people
and
unless
they
manage
to
influence
their
parents
enough
to
to
make
them
change
where
they
may
be
going.
But
really,
if
they
see
that
city
changing
and
quite
a
lot
of
what
the
council
does
is
what
they
see
in
front
of
them
and
what
we
can
change.
A
No,
no
thanks,
I
mean,
but
we
are
the
old
people
who
can
make
these
things
happen
for
young
people
to
give
them
the
space
give
them
the
public
square
be
able
to
make
these
points
towards
again
to
the
to
even
more
older
people.
So
we're
going
to
be
able
to
do
all
of
that.
I
think
there's
like
so
there's
a
lot
of
actions
for
for
us
to
take
away
from
this
from
this
item,
but
just
to
wrap
up
and
thanks
steve
for
bringing
those
issues
together.
A
I
think
the
the
way
the
the
toolkit
is
coming
together,
I
think,
is
excellent
and
it's
we
need
to
monitor
that.
We
also
need
to
think
of
a
a
way
of
say
the
example
of
the
living
walls
and
and
iv
walls,
and
things
he's
called
the
council
booking
touched
by
one
of
my
favorite
subjects,
which
is
biodiversity
and
urban
environments,
so
that
we
need
to
come
up
with
a
way
as
how
we
can
assist
schools
with
that
and
also
monitor
what
they're
doing
with
that.
A
So
there's
things
to
take
away
from
that
station
on
that
folks,
given
that
we
have
the
small
matter
of
the
west
yorkshire
pension
fund-
and
we
have
some
speakers
on
that-
I
think
we
should.
We
need
to
move
on
to
that
item.
So
on
that
I'm
going
to
hand
over
to
counselor
andrew
scross
has
joined
us.
Andrew
you've
got
a
powerpoint
prayers
and
then
we've
got
questions
from
the
members
right.
C
A
C
Thank
you
very,
very
much
very
much
enjoying
the
conversation
you're
having
in
in
what
schools
can
do.
I'm
chair
of
governors
at
a
local
primary
school-
and
I
know
children
are
very,
very
keen
to
get
involved
in
this
agenda,
and-
and
so
I,
I
think,
that's
a
real
opportunity
to
bring
change
both
primary
school
and
secondary
school
aged
children.
What
I'm
going
to
do
is
I'm
going
to
present
my
slides
if
that's
okay,
but
whilst
I
think
everyone
probably
knows
me,
I
just
give
a
brief
introduction
as
well.
C
So
whether
and
that
is
looking
at
primarily
risk
that
pension
schemes
face,
but
I
also
consulted
on
a
number
of
other
issues-
and
I
just
want
to
make
that
point
in
that
there
is
some
credible
financial
qualification
behind
myself
as
an
individual
in
terms
of
my
role
on
council,
I'm
also
lead
member
for
leeds
for
pensions
and
I'm
on
the
west,
yorkshire,
pension
fund
investment
panel
and
joint
advisory
group.
Hopefully
the
relevance
of
those
points
will
come
clear
as
we
go
through.
C
C
Why
do
something
now,
looking
about
at
the
legal
background,
writing
out
the
fossil
fuel
financial
case
for
fossil
fuel
divestment,
really
big
topic
around
whether
engage
versus
divesters
the
right
approach
and
then
what
I'd
like
us
as
lead
city
council,
to
do
clearly
there
there'll
be
an
this,
is
a
huge
topic
and
I'll
try
and
squeeze
as
much
into
my
presentation
as
I
can,
but
obviously
welcome
questions
so
just
to
start
with.
Why
do
something
now
and
I
think
clearly,
the
big?
C
The
big
reason
is
the
climate
emergency
that
leads
to
council
declared
and
as
far
as
I
I
can
tell
from
talking
to
fellow
councillors
across
across
the
political
spectrum.
This
is
a
cross-party
thing
across
the
country
it
is
recognised.
There
is
a
climate
emergency
and
the
need
to
do
something
is
paramount,
not
just
for
our
own
future,
but
also
the
future
of
our
children
and
so
and
in
fact,
that's
the
whole
purpose
of
why
this
committee
exists.
C
It's
also
important
to
understand,
in
terms
of
background
sort
of
the
financial
and
legal
background
of
the
west
yorkshire
pension
fund,
and
the
reason
this
slide
is
here
is
because
it's
really
important
to
understand
that
the
way
the
pension
regulations
work
around
how
the
pension
schemes
allow
to
make
decisions
is
that
it
has
to
be
in
the
best
financial
interests
of
members,
and
this
means
that
and
legally
this
has
been
challenged
and
it's
quite
a
narrow
focus
and
whilst
the
other
considerations
are
allowed,
the
primary,
if
decision-making,
criteria
for
pension
fund
making
decisions
has
to
be
the
financial
interests
of
the
members,
and
that
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
focus
on
the
financial
arguments.
C
In
this
case,
we
could
talk
hours
about
the
the
moral
and
ethical
reasons,
but
I've
focused
on
the
financial
case,
because
that
is
what
pension
board
members
have
to
take
into
account,
and
that
is
the
point
of
of
this
slide.
The
next
slide
again.
This
is
a
really
important
piece
of
information
and
it's
a
bit
of
a
quirk
of
being
part
of
a
a
regional
pension
scheme.
C
So,
ultimately,
bradford
are
the
admit.
What's
called
the
administrative
authority
of
the
west
yorkshire
pension
fund,
and
this
means
that
ultimately,
they're
financially
responsible
for
it
and
they
have
final
say
on
how
it
is
administered
whilst
leeds
is
the
biggest
contributor
and
therefore
we
do
have
influence.
C
We
have
members
on
the
joint
advisory
panel,
including
myself,
councillor
neil
dawson
and
councillor
peter
harrind
and
members
on
the
investment
panel,
so
we
do
have
influence,
and
so
what
I'd
like
us
to
do
as
a
city,
not
just
myself
and
others
on
the
panels
is
this
is
a
city
to
say.
Actually,
this
is
an
important
issue.
We
recognize
the
concerns
and
we
would,
as
a
city,
want
to
put
pressure
on
bradford
to
to
take
account
of
the
arguments
I'm
going
to
make.
C
So
why
single
out
the
fossil
fuel
industry
and
I'm
going
to
probably
flick
through
these
slides
a
little
bit
just
because,
as
I've
already
said,
it's
the
financial
arguments
that
are
important
here,
but
clearly,
we've
all
seen
headlines
over
a
number
of
years,
around
fossil
fuels,
damaging
the
environment
and
being
the
biggest
single
contributor
to
that,
and-
and
I
think
it's
really
important
to
also
highlight-
why
would
you
target
fossil
fuel
companies
rather
than
anyone,
who's
involved
in
the
fossil
fuel
industry?
C
C
So
the
financial
case
for
fossil
fuel
is
some
investment.
So
this
is,
this
is
one
of
the
the
the
big
argument,
in
fact,
for
fossil
fuel
disinvestment
is
what
I'd
call
the
stranded
asset
argument
and
the
reason
it's
so
important
to
understand
is
because
we
can
only
burn
so
much
so
many
so
much
fossil
fuels
before
we
face
catastrophe
as
a
as
a
planet
and
where
exactly
that
is
is
a
is
a
debate
for
another
time,
but
holistically
speaking.
C
And
if
we
don't,
we've
got
bigger,
bigger
fish
to
fly.
So
we
we
can
stop,
stop
worrying
about
this
anyway,
but
on
the
bases
that
we
don't
there's
a
huge
amount
of
assets
effectively
that
are
non-um
deliverable.
C
And
so
so,
when
you
look
at
a
a
company
like
a
large
fossil
fuel
company,
the
way
it's
valued
is
one
of
the
things
they
do
is
look
at
what
you'd
call
its
assets.
It's
fixed
assets
and
ultimately,
if
you
look
at
the
the
graph
here,
what
it's
trying
to
show
is
that
there's
a
lot
more
oil
in
knowing
reserves
than
that
can
be
burnt
so
over
time.
C
A
big
proportion
of
the
asset
which
there,
which
these
fossil
fuel
companies
are
including
on
our
balance
sheets,
will
effectively
become
worthless
because
we
can't
burn
it
and
we
mustn't
burn
it,
and
on
top
of
that,
the
major
fossil
fuel
companies
are
all
also
spending
money
on
finding
new
reserves,
so
not
only
have
they
got
more
than
they
can
burn
already,
but
they're
also
searching
for
for
more
and
effectively.
That
would
go
on
the
balance
sheet.
C
C
C
So
that
is
a
mind-boggling
number
and
whilst,
whilst
the
pen
western
pension
fund
is
big
like
that,
and
it
doesn't
have
it's
not
exposed
to
that
whole
risk,
what
I'm
saying
is
it's
a
huge
amount
and,
and
then
the
second
point
is
so
this
is
this-
is
the
this
is
the
reality
of
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
future,
and
it's
already
happening
now,
yeah
and
so
because
of
necessity,
yeah
policy
and
technology
is
changing,
and
this
is
really
crucial
part
to
understand,
because
the
biggest
risk
to
fossil
fuel
companies,
in
my
view,
is
what
I'd
call
geopolitical
risk.
C
So
if
a
major
as
the
major
economies
of
the
world
transition
away
from
or
require
transition
away
from
oil,
this
is
be
called
regulation
to
re-risk,
and
so
that
would
that
would
have
a
have
an
impact
on
price.
So
often
the
way
equities
are
valued
are
very
short-term,
but
if
regulation
changed,
that
price
would
come
down,
particularly
if
it
was
negative
towards
fossil
fuel
companies.
So
what's
what's
the
time
frame
here
so
in
terms
of
the
so
there's
there's
two
points
here
see
policy
and
technology.
C
So
I'm
going
to
tackle
policy
and
then
the
technology
so
on
the
policy.
This
is
a.
This
is
a
timeline,
and
I
think
the
point
here
which
I'm
trying
to
say
is
the
timeline
is
actually
medium
term.
It's
not
it's
not
long
term
policy
changes
are
are
coming
and
policy
changes
will
have
an
impact
on
a
value
of
assets
held
by
the
west
yorkshire
pension
fund,
specifically
values
of
fossil
fuel
companies.
C
C
You
understand
that
this
isn't
a
problem,
that's
going
to
happen
in
2035
or
2045,
as
we
get
up
to
the
2050
paris
accord,
it's
something
that
will
start
impacting
on
values,
in
my
view,
in
the
mid,
mid,
2020s,
okay
in
terms
of
technology,
disruptive
technology-
and
this
is
also
an
important
point-
and
when
you
transition
from
one
type
of
technology
to
another,
this
is
a
this
is
again
a
a
big,
a
big
deal,
and
how
does?
How
does
that
work
over
time?
C
And
I
guess
one
of
the
key
questions
is:
when
is
peak
demand?
Okay,
so
when
is
the
maximum
amount
that
people
are
going
to
want
of
a
particular
product?
The
reason
this
is
important
is
because,
if
you
imagine
over
time
over
the
last
sort
of
decade,
there's
been
a
what
I'd
call
a
price
premium
to
have
green
energy.
C
So
if
you
want
to
use
green
electricity
on
your
in
your
house,
you
have
to
pay
a
premium,
so
you
have
to
pay
extra
to
have
green
electricity,
and
so
that
means
that
the
the
market
remains
predominantly
fossil
fuel
driven
because
because
it's
cheaper,
that's
the
reality
of
of
the
capitalistic
world
that
we
live
in
and,
however,
once
that
price
point
changes,
so
the
green
energy
becomes
cheaper
than
the
fossil
fuel
energy.
C
The
transition
away
to
from
fossil
fuel
will
be
remarkably
quick,
as
I
I'm
sure
you
can
appreciate,
and,
and
the
signs
of
that
happening
are
really
quite
prominent
to
the
west
yorkshire
pension
fund
to
its
credit
invested
in
one
of
the
first
non-subsidised
wind
farms
last
year,
because
that
transition
is
happening.
The
the
image
on
your
left
is
actually
from
a
few
years
ago,
predicting
early
2020s
in
terms
of
when
peak
demand
will
be
the
slot.
C
The
picture
on
the
right
is
actually
bp
beginning
to
recognize
that
actually,
this
is
coming
and
this
is
coming
soon,
and
that
is
a
really
important
point.
So
this
is
a
major
oil
firm.
Recognising
that
peak
demand
is
is
coming,
and
so
my
next
slide
is
just
trying
to
illustrate
why
that
is
important.
C
So
this
is
two
pictures
of
of
east
parade
on
the
fifth
avenue
in
new
york
13
years
apart
right
and
you
can
see
that
horses-
and
this
is
a
bit
of
a
tangential
argument-
I
I
recognize
that,
but
horses,
their
peak
demand
was
in
20
1910,
so
the
peak
demand
for
horses
in
in
new
york
was
1910,
but
by
1913
there's,
hardly
any
horses,
so
you
can
see
that
it,
the
demand
for
horses,
increase,
increase,
increase
and
then
it
fell
off
a
cliff
and
again
I'd
just
note
this
this
time
period
again
that
1910
and
1913.
C
and
another
way.
Another
illustration,
if
you
will
is
a
similar
thing,
happened
in
in
the
coal
industry.
As
many
people
are
aware,
uk
coal
didn't
survive,
which
in
many
ways
is
a
shame
for
the
for
the
jobs,
etcetera.
But
the
reality
is
this
happened.
Suddenly,
uk
coal,
so
uk
coal
carried
on
for
a
long
time
and
then
suddenly
it
went.
It
went
insolvent.
C
And
then
then
it's
really
important
question
is
around
okay.
So
I
believe
that
we
need
to
do
something
about
the
climate
emergency
and
I
believe
that
fossil
fuel
are
part
of
the
problem.
So
what
how
do
I
change
that
and
there's,
I
guess,
most
people.
In
my
view,
I've
come
across
agree
with
those
first
two
points.
C
The
question
is:
how
do
you
then
deal
with
that
and
there's
two
main
schools
of
thought
here,
which
is
one
is
engage
and
one
is
divest
and
I'm
just
going
to
tackle
on
why
I
think
divest
is
the
is
the
right
right
approach
and
the
first
is
just
a
practical,
practical
argument.
So
if
I
were
to
think
about
mcdonald's
for
example
again
this
isn't
it
it's
trying
to
be
an
illustration.
C
So
if
I
decided
that
I
wanted
to
change
mcdonald's
from
a
fast
food
restaurant
into
a
fine
dine
restaurant,
I'm
still
in
the
same
business,
I
remain
in
the
food
industry.
In
fact,
the
people
coming
into
my
restaurant
food
industry
and
I
bought
tens
of
millions
of
pounds
worth
of
mcdonald's
shares,
and
I
went
to
ever
share
every
shareholder
meeting,
saying
I'd
like
to
change
us
into
a
fine,
dining
restaurant.
C
The
the
idea
of
changing
mcdonald's
into
a
fine
dining
restaurant
is
bonkers.
The
better
approach
would
be
to
leave
mcdonald's
as
a
fast
food
chain
and
invest
in
a
fine
dine,
restaurant
or
indeed
set
up
your
own
fine,
dining
restaurant,
but
trying
to
keep
mcdonald's
whilst
in
in
the
food
industry
into
something
so
radically.
C
Different,
I
think
is,
is
a
fool's
errand
and-
and
I
would
I
would
use
that
analogy-
to
illustrate
how
you
would
say,
trying
to
change
a
massive
fossil
fuel
company,
like
shell
bp,
into
a
green
energy
company
that,
I
would
say,
the
challenges
are
similar.
The
supply
chains,
the
culture,
the
workforce,
the
skill
set,
the
assets
on
the
balance
sheet
are
just
wrong,
the
wrong
shape
for
it.
So
the
first
question
is:
is
that
even
possible?
Okay-
and
I
would
argue
it's
not,
but
just
leave
that
float
in
there
for
a
minute?
C
The
second
thing
is
so
that
share
action
are
an
organization
that
try
and
use
engagement
to
change
the
way
companies
interact,
and
I
got
this
off
share
action
with
their
permission,
and
I
guess
the
question
is:
where
are
you
along
this
this
agenda
in
terms
of?
Is
it?
Is
it
in
the
end?
C
If
you
can't
get
engagement
to
change
things,
this
investment
needs
to
be
on
the
table
as
an
option.
Otherwise
it's
not
your
whole
engagement
process,
isn't
isn't
credible,
okay,
and
so
so,
so
what
is?
Is
engagement
working
so
have
we
have
we
got
that
looked
at
this
engagement
stuff
and
is
it?
Is
it
working
and
and
to
be
fair
to
the
west
yorkshire
pension
fund?
C
Again
there
has
been
a
long-term
commitment
to
engagement,
I'm
trying
to
work
with
fossil
fuel
companies
to
change
how
they
behave
and
I'm
just
trying
to
get
on
to
the
next
slide.
Now
here
we
go.
C
I
think
this
is
a
really
important
piece
of
research.
We
came
out
october
last
year,
working
with
the
london
school
of
economics
and
it
its
findings
were
that
no
major
oil,
gas
or
coal
company
is
on
track
to
line
their
business
with
the
paris
climate
goal
of
limiting
temperature
rise
to
well
below
2
degrees
by
20
to
50..
Okay-
and
this
is
the
partnership
between
london,
school
of
economics
and
investors
that
manage
21
trillion
dollars
worth
of
assets.
C
C
So
companies
like
shell
and
bp
and
other
fossil
fuel
companies
need
inward
investment
to
maintain
their
their
business
model
and
then
just
there's
there's
another
argument
that
is
quite
pervasive,
which
is
made
a
lot
of
the
time
which
which
says,
if
you
disinvest
from
fossil
fuels,
your
return
will
be
worse,
and
so
we
shouldn't
we
shouldn't
do
it,
because
we
have
to
protect
the
financial
interests
of
members,
and
I
would
say
that
isn't
right
for
one
reason,
because
we're
not
accounting
for
the
risk
in
fossil
fuel
industry.
C
So
if
you
go
back
to
that,
when
will
regulation
change
if
in
2025
regulations,
do
change
fossil
fuel
assets
reduce
in
value?
If
regulations
don't
change,
they
stay
the
same
yeah,
so
you've
got
what
I'd
call
an
unrewarded
risk.
So
in
my
view,
holding
fossil
fuel
companies
in
any
case
has
more
risk
than
it's
paying,
but
secondly,
actually
disinvesting
from
an
asset
class
doesn't
affect
your
returns.
So
this
is
a
piece
of
research
looking
at
the
impact
of
divestment
from
from
anything,
in
fact,
any
industry
between
89
and
2017.
C
and
the
point
here
is
actually
this
investment
from
any
any
one.
Particular
industry
doesn't
make
any
difference
to
your
overall
and
doesn't
make
any
material
difference,
so
you've
got
9.44
to
9.94,
so
that
is
margin
of
error,
if
I'm
honest,
and
so
what
I'm
saying
is.
Even
if
I
am
completely
wrong
and
fossil
fuel
companies
don't
have
a
materially
higher
risk,
it
doesn't
affect
our
outgoing.
C
So
why
would
we
take
the
chance-
and
that's
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
here
and
then
finally,
before
I
hand
over
to
to
questions
and
what
I'm
recommending
is,
norway's
1
trillion
wealth
fund
is
divesting
from
oil
and
gas,
just
because
it
makes
sense
and
again
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
here.
C
This
isn't
a
niche
thinking,
piece
of
thought
that
I'm
presenting
here
this
is
this
is
pretty
mainstream
thinking
and
the
irony
of
obviously
norway's
well
fun
doing
that,
given
where
that
wealth
has
come
from,
is,
is
really
important
to
understand
the
greater
the
greater
thinking
there
must
have
been
some
genuine
belief
in
in
the
risk
to
to
fossil
fuels,
and
so
I
guess
what
I'm,
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is,
as
I
said
previously,
is
that
ultimately,
the
decision
about
how
how
and
when
the
restoration
pension
fund
dives
fossil
fuels
is
with
is
ultimately
in
the
hands
of
of
bradford
city
council.
C
But
as
as
a
city,
I
think,
given
our
climate
emergency,
we
should
have
a
position
on
this.
We
should
be
saying:
whilst
this
isn't
our
decision,
we
are
the
biggest
contributor.
C
We
do
believe
that
you
should
be
taking
action
here
and,
and
what
I
would
like
is
this
committee-
I'm
asking
this
committee
to
support
this
this
this
statement
at
the
bottom,
which
hopefully
is
self-explanatory
and
then,
hopefully,
that
will
that'll
help
put
pressure
on
bradford
to
bring
change
again.
I'm
really
clear
here:
I'm
not
I'm
not
saying
that
there
should
be
an
immediate
divestment,
because
we
all
know
that
getting
the
timing
right
is
really
important,
yeah
and
actually,
I
think,
right
now
we're
at
a
really
opportune
time.
C
So
if
we've
got
three
years,
if
we
took
three
years
from
now
and
you're
talking
about
regulation,
risk
change
in
2023
and
2025
and
peak
demand
the
next
few
years
and
then
you're
thinking
well
actually
this
is
this
is
the
moment
to
seize.
This
is
the
moment
to
to
to
do
something
about
it.
So
that's
that's
my
pitch.
I
will
yield
to
counselor,
will
shaw
and
questions.
A
Thank
you,
council
scopes.
That
was
really
a
really
thorough
and
informative
presentation.
I
have
to
say
you
have
convinced
me,
although
I
was
pretty
favorable
to
this
this
agenda.
Already
I've
been
a
a
signature
to
the
west
yoshi
disinvestment
campaign
for
a
couple
of
years.
Now
I
think
it's
really
important.
What
I
like
about
your
presentation
is
that
it's
clearly
backed
by
very,
very,
very
solid
economics,
which
I
think
is
always
important.
After
all,
we
are
talking
about
people's
people's
pensions
and
they're
incredibly
precious
and
important.
A
A
F
Right,
thank
you
very
much
council
scopes
for
coming
along
with
that
extremely
excellent
presentation,
really
putting
everything
in
its
context.
I'm
fully
aware
that
the
investment
of
pension
funds
is
is
is
a
very
complex
issue,
but
this
matter
really
needs
to.
You
know
to
have
been
sort
of
looked
at
in
the
detail.
You've
given
it
to
us
all,
which
is
fantastic.
I
haven't
really
particularly
got
any
questions.
F
One
of
the
things
I
was
wanting
to
do,
though,
was
to
signpost
the
committee
to
mark
carney's
wreath
lectures.
I
found
if
anybody
picked
up
on
those
this
over
christmas,
when
we
had
a
little
bit
more
time
on
our
hands,
which
talks
a
lot
about
this
as
well.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
to
highlight
was
the
delay
cop
26
talks
are
going
to
be
so
crucial
at
the
end
of
this
year,
but
actually
it's
very
interesting.
Isn't
it
they
because
of
the
chronovirus.
F
Also,
there
is
now
going
to
be
a
different
president
in
the
white
house
as
well,
and
had
cop
26
actually
taken
place
last
november
as
it
was
planned,
it
may
have
been
rather
different,
so
the
cop
talks
in
2015
were
very
crucial
to
us.
Looking
at
the
1.5
degree
rise,
I
I
was
interested.
Can
I
just
ask
one
thing,
though,
of
cancer
scopes
why
it
was
two
degrees
rise
that
was
on
your
slides
rather
than
1.5.
Degrees
rise
is
the
only
question,
but
I
just
wanted
to
flag
up
these
other
points.
F
If
you
like
the
context,
I
actually
think
that
cop
26
this
year
is
going
to
be
absolutely
crucial
and
especially
thinking
about
investments-
and
you
know
the
the
fossil
fuel
industry
generally,
but
I'm
interested
about
that
yeah
for
two
degree
rise
rather
than
1.5.
Thank
you.
A
Thanks
counts
castle.
First,
aid
are
just
managing
an
invasion
of
small
people
at
that
point,
as
well
into
the
front
room
yeah.
I
think
the
point
about
cop26
is
really
important.
History
turns
on
small
details
and
the
not
so
small
detail
is
the
very
different
white
house
team.
That's
going
to
be
in
place
in
about
two
and
a
half
days,
which
is
enormously
relieving
for
everybody.
A
C
The
yes,
so
the
degree
rise
is
around
the
research
that
I've
had
available
to
me.
Okay,
if
I'm
honest,
so
if
you,
if
you
just
look
at
this
slide,
clearly
I
didn't
do
the
research
behind
this
slide.
Okay,
but
if
you
were
to
think
one
and
a
half
degree
limit,
which
I
would
totally
be
supportive
of
that
small
blue
bubble
would
become
even
smaller,
and
so
it
would,
it
would
enhance
the
argument.
I
agree.
We
need
to
take
dress
to
action.
I've
taken
research
that
I've
found
rather
than
commission
it
myself.
A
Fair
enough,
do
you
want
to
drop
that
slide?
Please
yeah,
yeah,
lovely
thanks
very
much.
Okay,
so
counselor
illingworth.
D
Yes,
chess.
Thank
you
very
much.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
say
I
agree
with
everything
that
andrew
has
been
telling
us
it's
refreshing
and
altogether
excellent.
I
was
going
to
ask
a
question
about
the
decline
of
the
rump
of
the
fossil
fuel
industry,
because
one
danger
that
I
can
foresee
happening
is
that
a
kind
of
renegade
industry
survives
that
if
somebody
is
in
looking
at
an
australian
coal
seam,
for
example,
they
can
get
that
kill
out
of
the
ground
fairly
cheaply.
D
It
may
possibly
run
the
risk
of
international
sanctions-
I
don't
know,
but
you
can
conceive
of
a
cold
industry
surviving
almost
as
a
kind
of
outlaw
industry
that
it's
cheap
to
get
the
stuff
out
of
the
ground.
It's
cheap
to
burn
it,
to
ignore
climate
targets
and
so
forth,
and
just
simply
behave
as
a
thoroughly
bad
boy,
and
what
does
andrew
think
is
the
risk
of
having
that
kind
of
bad
boy
industry
surviving
into
the
future.
Basically,
sanctions
busting,
ignoring
the
international
community,
but
still
burning
the
bloody
stuff.
C
Okay
yeah,
so
so
I
would
say:
there's
always
a
risk.
I
don't
believe
us
holding
assets
in
a
bad
boy.
Company
is
going
to
necessarily
change
their
behavior.
If
I'm
honest
with
you,
I
guess
there's
there
is
hope,
though
I'd
say
two
things
in
terms
of
the
hope.
The
first
is
the
price
point.
C
So,
as
you
can
imagine,
the
price
of
green
energy
is
coming
downwards
and
it's
going
to
keep
coming
downwards
and
once
it's
cheaper
to
produce
green
energy,
whether
or
not
you
you
care
about
the
environment
or
not,
you
will
use
green
energy.
That's
that's
just
a
fact.
I
guess.
The
second
point
is
around
reducing
the
renegade
industry
as
it
were.
So
if
you
reduce
the
amount,
so
ultimately,
the
western
world
burns
a
huge
amount
of
fossil
fuels.
Yeah
we've
got.
C
We
can't
take
responsibility
for
every
country
around
the
world,
but
we
can
take
responsibility
for
what
we're
doing,
and
so,
whilst
I
do
believe
that,
if
there
is
major
regulatory
changes
that
will
happen,
that
will
have
a
massive
reduction
on
the
amount
of
fossil
fuel.
That's
burned.
A
Thanks
audrey
yeah,
I
mean
like
we
can
cover.
We
can
solve
some
things
on
this
committee,
but
not.
We
can't
really
solve
australia's
incredibly
regressive
energy
practices.
To
be
honest,
actually,
when
that
came
up
when
australia,
I
mean
very
remind
folks,
australia
was
on
fire
recently,
so
I
think
even
the
country
is
yeah
exactly.
I
know
a
lot.
It
seems
a
million
years
ago,
even
a
country
with
as
regressive
energy
policies
as
australia
is
starting
to
change
in
australia
gets
70
of
its
power
from
coal.
A
That's
the
figure
in
britain
for
1990
I
mean
that's.
That
is
shocking.
When,
when
you
consider
that
the
country
is
a
natural,
saudi
arabia,
scale
sort
of
level
of
the
solar
power
that
it
could
have,
it
is
incredible
when
you
think
about
it,
so
I've
got
councillors,
bentley,
buckley
and
carlill.
So
jonathan.
E
Thanks,
chad
and
thanks
andrew
for
that
excellent
excellent
presentation,
which
I
I
I
support
wholly,
I
think
it's
been
a
bit
slow
coming
this
this
this
recognition
in
a
way
because
I
remember
being
at
a
at
a
conference-
probably
four
or
five
years
ago,
with
with
the
presentation
were
given
by
the
agent
for
the
bank
of
england
in
the
area
and
raising
this
very
question
about
the
what
you
now
call
stranded
assets.
I
don't
think
I
use
those
words.
E
I
don't
know
those
were
available,
but
it
was
about
the
amount
of
un
unproduced
fossil
fuels
on
the
balance
sheet.
That
would
never
get
produced,
and
you
know
if
my
simple
I'm
not
an
actor
like
you
andrew
my
simple
accounting,
something
well
at
some
point.
This
has
got
to
be
written
off
and
that's
going
to
hit
that's
going
to
hit
the
the
the
profit
and
loss
account.
That's
going
to
hit
dividends,
that's
going
to
hit
all
sorts
of
things,
cash
flow
and
everything
else,
and
it
wasn't
really
taken
up
as
an
issue.
E
It
was.
It
was
sort
of
kicked
down
the
road
a
bit.
So
I'm
I'm
really
pleased
about
about
this,
and
I
think
I
think
you're
right
about
divestment.
It
is
difficult
to
turn
around.
I
mean
we've
seen
the
problems
that
bp
are
having.
Bp
are
trying
to
present
themselves
as
an
energy
company
in
a
green
energy
company.
You
know
putting
putting
charging
electric
car
charging
points
in
there
in
their
fillings
or
filling
stations,
and
it
makes
it
makes
the
point
that
that's
their
asset,
a
filling
station.
How
do
you?
E
How
do
you
turn
that
you
know
and
just
put
in
electric
charging
points?
Doesn't
really
do
it.
So
I
I
think
we're
absolutely
right
about
that.
I
think
john's
point.
John
illinois,
council
interest
point
about
sort
of
the
see
I
think
if
you've
got
a
company
that
doesn't
have
that
big
legacy
of
stranded
assets.
E
So
you
have
someone
saying
right:
I'm
going
in
for
a
quick
enterprise,
move
and
fracking
started
like
this,
a
bit
didn't
it
and
it
still
is
a
bit
like
that.
You
don't
you
don't
necessarily
they
they're
building
up
a
bit
of
his
reserves,
but
they're
mainly
opportunists
and
and
enterprise
operators.
So
they
go
in.
E
E
The
final
is
west
yorkshire
pension
fund
is
big
pension
fund,
etc.
But
in
the
scheme
of
things
is,
is
is
a
small
area
and
I
know
we
can
only
do
what
we
can
do,
but
is
there
a
bigger
movement
that
we
can
be
part
of,
because
this
issue
that
we've
got
in
west
yorkshire
pension
fund
must
be
replicated
in
virtually
every
pension
fund
across
the
country
and
across
the
world,
and
everyone
must
have
seen
this.
E
C
Andrew
yes,
great
thank
you.
Those
are
really
informative
questions.
Council,
bentley
and
I
think
I
think,
you're
right.
There
has
been
a
slow
recognition
and,
if
I'm
honest
this,
that
recognition
isn't
yet
the
majority
of
you
in
the
west
yorkshire
pension
fund's
investment
panel.
That's
that's
the
reality
of
where
we
are,
and
that
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
I'm
here,
to
try
and
articulate
the
view
in
a
public
forum
and
hopefully
put
pressure
across
the
west
yorkshire
authorities
in
particular
bradford
to
change
position.
C
C
They'll
say:
oh
yeah,
you're
right
I
do
everything
I
can
to
change
it
and
there's
and
west
yorkshire
pension
fund
is,
is
part
of
a
climate
100
group
200
of
the
biggest
pension
schemes
around
the
world
and
their
primary
task
as
a
group
is
to
engage
with
fossil
fuel
companies
or
companies
to
change
what
they're
doing
so.
To
tell
here
get
us
a
climate
tracker
tell
us
how
you're
doing
etcetera-
and
I
guess,
whilst
I
sympathize
with
that
view-
set,
I
guess
what
I'm.
C
C
That
is
why
I
focused
on
that
argument
quite
a
lot,
because
that
is
the
argument
of
the
of
the
institution,
a
lot
of
institutional
pension
funds,
which
is,
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
lead
the
way
as
west
yorkshire
pension
fund,
and
I
think,
over
time,
more
people
get
on
board
with
that,
and
we
need
to
change
from
the
climate
100
trying
to
engage
to
the
climate
100
saying
we've
we're
done
with
this.
Yes,
but
I
recognize
it,
it
has
been
a
slow,
slow,
slow,
slow
burn.
J
E
Yeah
course
it's
not
really
coming
it's
something
else
I
just
wanted
to
to
mention,
and
I
I
I
just
forgot.
I
thought
that
last
slide
about
the
norwegian
sovereign
wealth
fund
was
really
important,
because
the
comment
on
there
was
this
is
not
really
about
climate
issues.
This
is
about
getting
better
returns
so
and-
and
I
think.
E
When
we
put
forward
arguments
for
divestment
of
fossil
fuel
industries,
it's
got
to
be,
and
this
is
the
point
andrew
is
making
I
know,
but
it's
got
to
be
on
that
basis
with
all
due
respect
to
anne
and
the
green
party
and
everything
else,
it
must
be
seen,
as
necessarily
from
that
point
of
view,
because
we
can
actually
get
it
through
purely
on
the
economic
arguments,
and
that
brings
a
lot
more
people
with
us.
C
A
D
Yes,
thanks
chair
and
I
I
enjoyed
that
presentation.
Actually,
I
thought
he
was
extremely
interesting
and
I
understand
entirely
the
logic
of
it.
D
I
just
had
one
or
two
questions
really
as
we
went
along
and
andrew
started,
the
his
whole
presentation
by
talking
about
the
the
phrase,
best
financial
interest
and
then
very
interestingly,
told
us
about
the
trend
of
green
energy,
going
down
the
price
of
that
going
down
in
comparison
to
the
traditional
sources,
and
I
just
wondered
whether
is
there
any
kind
of
a
risk
that,
in
the
short
term,
before
the
the
prices
intersect,
if
you
like,
is
there
a
danger
that
people
could
say
well
that
objective,
which
is
enshrined
in
law,
best
financial
interest,
isn't
being
met
and
therefore
the
point
of
benefit
hasn't
actually
arrived.
D
Second
question
was
bp,
and
shell
in
particular,
constitute
quite
a
massive
proportion
of
the
ftse
hundred.
Don't
they
and
other
speakers
have
mentioned
the
results
on
the
value
of
the
company,
the
share
price
and
so
on.
D
Would
there
be
any
unexpected
side
effects
there
and
then
the
last
question
was,
and
actually
councillor
bentley
touched
on
this.
D
C
Andrew,
do
you
wanna
yeah,
I'd
love
to
yes,
so
those
are
really
insightful
questions
as
well,
councillor
buckley!
So
thank
you
for
them.
The
first
question
around
best
financial
interest
in
short
term
versus
long
term.
I
would
say
clearly
with
any
equity
asset
equities,
just
where
you
hold
shares
in
in
a
company
on
the
stock
exchange
generally
publicly
listed
shares.
C
There
is
a
huge
amount
of
volatility,
which
means
the
value
goes
up
and
down
over
time
and
the
pension
fund
and,
if
you're,
a
short-term
investor,
that's
really
really
really
really
important,
because
if
I
want
to
access
cash
tomorrow,
how
volatile
or
how
much
it's
gone
up
and
down
today
and
tomorrow
is
important
to
me,
but
if
I
want
to
pay
a
pension
in
30
years
time,
the
bigger
risk
for
me
is
whether
not
whether
I
get
an
extra
five
percent
over
the
next
three
years
is
whether
I've
missed
a
twenty
percent
fall
in
three
years
time
and
so,
as
a
pension
fund.
C
It's
absolutely
fundamentally
important
that
we
look
long
term
rather
than
short
term,
and
so
I
I
can't
sit
here
in
honesty
and
say
in
the
next
year
or
next
two
years
will
fossil
fuel
companies
outperform
the
other
industries.
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that.
It's
my
belief
that
there's
unrewarded
risk
it's
a
risk
that
you're
not
getting
extra
return
for
in
fossil
fuel
companies
that
over
the
long
term,
will
mean
that
that's
negative.
C
But
that's
it's
a
really
valid
point
and
that
concern-
and
I
guess
the
concern
I
have
is-
whilst
we
don't
have
a
plan
so
currently
the
west
yorkshire
pension
fund
has
around
it's
got
less
than
a
billion,
but
last
time
I
checked
it,
something
like
900
million
pounds
worth
of
fossil
fuel
equities.
That
might
have
gone
down
with
in
the
last
year,
or
so,
if
I'm
honest
so,
but
the
point
is,
if
we
hold
that
until
the
last
moment,
there's
a
risk
that
we
can't
get
rid
of
it.
C
You
had
neo
at
in
terms
of
the
moral
point,
so
you
go
on
cancer,
but
clearly
what
things
up
to
the
point:
yeah
yeah,
the
moral
point
I
I
guess
I've
always
been
trying
to
build
a
my
experience
of
bringing
change,
is
building
a
broad
coalition
of
people
who
yeah
you
can
who
can
agree
with
you
and
with
my
actually
head
on
and
with
my
pensions,
regs
hat
on.
I'm
like
this
is
the
financial
argument
that
really
matters
to
me,
but
it's
also
about
building
broader
support.
C
So
a
lot
of
people
who
write
to
me
aren't
interested
in
the
finance
they're
saying
I
don't
give
a
I
don't
care
about
whether
it's
good
or
bad.
Financially,
I
just
care
about
the
moral
issues
and
the
ethical
issues,
and
so
the
reason
both
are
in
there
it's
about
building
a
broad
coalition
of
support,
but
you're.
Absolutely
right.
C
We've
got
to
be
really
clear
here
that
the
rules
require
the
pension
fund
to
be
focused
on
finance
and
we
need
to
be
focused
on
financing
our
arguments.
Thanks.
A
Andrew,
that's,
it's
really
helpful.
I
mean
I
agree.
I
come
from
it
from
at
least
initially
a
moral
point
of
view,
but
the
the
hard
economics
are
very
much
in
this
investment's
favor
now
and
that's
what
will
sort
of
yeah.
He
said
build
that
coalition
of
support,
but
quite
a
few
speakers
to
get
through
so
consciousness.
I
don't
give.
C
A
G
Thanks
I'll
be
as
quick
as
I
can,
I
mean
I
think
the
the
key
argument
for
me,
that
comes
out
is
just
that
incredibly
fast
policy
environment
that
we're
in
yeah,
and
so
when
I'm
counting
up,
I
I
can't
think
of
another
industry
that
would
be
more
volatile
at
the
moment
than
the
fossil
fuel,
because
maybe
this
is
a
question
we
should
have
asked
the
schools.
If
we
were
to
say,
does
anyone
know
what
the
prime
minister
will
do
tomorrow?
G
I
don't
think
I
don't
think
anyone
on
this
group
could
say
and
we
had
a
debate.
I
won't
put
neil
on
the
spot,
but
when
we
were
discussing
when
petrol
cars
would
end,
I
think
he
said
that
west
yorkshire's
target
of
2035
would
be
potty,
whereas
then
the
prime
minister
came
out
a
few
months
later
with
2030..
G
So
you
know,
none
of
us
know
was
the
only
point
I
wanted
to
make
on
that,
and
obviously,
we've
got
a
u.s
election
suddenly
seen
reports
that
joe
biden
will
immediately
sign
up
again
to
the
paris
agreement.
G
China
have
made
a
pledge,
I
mean
you
could
say
it
could
go
one
way
or
the
other
depending
who
wins
an
election
in
a
mass
country
somewhere
or
or
what
policy
comes
in
hours.
But
I
guess
this
can
be
a
question
chandra.
Can
you
think
of
anything
else
that
would
be
as
volatile
an
industry
as
this,
where
you
wouldn't
know
really
when
these
assets
would
be
would
be
used
up?
C
Think
there's
lots
of
volatile
industries
and-
and
the
argument
I'm
making
here
is
about
unrewarded
risk.
So
if
you
look
at
a
risk
and
return
graph
like
this,
the
more
risk
you
have,
the
more
return
you
want
and
unrewarded
risk
is
where
you
get
extra
risk,
but
you
haven't,
got
the
extra
return
and
so
expect
a
return
of
fossil
fuel
equity
isn't
being
compensated
for
the
extra
risk.
That's
that's
the
point
I'm
making.
C
A
I
think
we
get,
we
get
the
point
you're
making
andrew
I
mean
look
it.
It
could
fall
off
the
edge
of
the
cliff
and
then
then
there
would
be
multiple
pension
funds
in
terms
of
meeting
their
payment
requirements.
To
members
I
mean
they
could
it
could
be
as
stark
as
that.
Couldn't
it
councillor
mitchelly.
H
Thank
you
chair.
I
just
wondered
if
there'd
been,
I
think
it
was
interesting
before
that
been
some
resistance
to
divestment.
I
wondered
what
the
extent
of
that
was
and
what
the
counter
arguments
were,
because
I
to
me
it
seems
like
a
no-brainer
but
I'll
just
be
interested
to
see
what
the
counter
arguments
are.
Thank
you.
C
Andrew
yeah,
it's
a
great
question.
I
think
so
my
honest
view
is
that
the
the
counter
argument
is
about
engagement.
C
So
if
we,
if
we
engage
with
these
companies,
they'll
change
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
effort
like
human
capital,
investment,
personal
time
and
energy
working
with
the
climate
100
working
with
other
pension
funds
to
try
and
get
bp
and
shell
to
change
policies,
and-
and
I
guess
officers
of
the
west
yorkshire
pension
fund
would
would
say
actually
she'll
have
now
said-
they've
got
they've
got
a
plan
to
go
green
or
they've
got
they're
publishing
how
the
green
carbon
tracker
or
bp
have
a
have
a
schedule
to
go
green
and,
and
so
that
would
be
the
counter
argument.
C
The
the
point
I'm
making
is
that
that
research
from
the
london
school
of
economics
saying
it's
not
on
track.
So
this
is
an
independent
thinking,
not
my
thinking,
and
so
I'm
saying
that
the
reluctance,
in
my
view,
is
about
changing
an
approach
when
you've
said
this
is
going
to
work
and
you've
done
it
for
10
years
and
you
haven't
got
the
results
you
want
changing
is
really
hard
and
I'm
not
I'm
not
going
to
that.
That's
the
truth.
C
A
A
Excellent
cheers:
councilman
herron.
I
Thank
you
to
I'm
keeping
the
camera
off,
because
I've
still
got
wi-fi
issues,
I'm
afraid
at
my
house.
Can
I
first
of
all
just
say
I
support
the
comments
council
forsyth
made
earlier
in
terms
of
the
importance
of
cop
26
and
clearly
with
a
much
stronger
values-based
approach
from
the
incoming
presidents.
Hopefully
will
in
america,
hopefully
we
will
see
some
movements
in
the
right
direction.
There
also.
I
I
also
listened
to
the
mark
carney
reflectors
over
christmas,
and
they
are
really
worth
a
listen
and,
and
I'm
sure
you
can
still
get
my
player
for
those
members
who
haven't
had
the
opportunity
to
to
hear
them
yet.
So
there
was
a
question
around
whether
the
recommendation
that
that
council
scopes
has
put
forward
should
include
the
word
moral
I
mean.
Maybe
we
should
be
asking
whether
it
should
include
the
word
environmental
rather
rather
than
moral,
because
it
is
both
financial
and
environmental
issue.
I
Clearly,
the
moral
element
of
it
encompasses
our
responsibility
to
protect
the
pensions
of
public
servants
which,
for
the
benefit
of
everybody,
listening
doesn't
include
counselors
anymore,
because
our
right
to
pay
into
the
west
yorkshire
pension
fund
was
abolished
by
this
government
about
seven
six
seven
years
ago.
So
this
is
not
about
protecting
councillors,
pensions,
but
those
people
who
work
for
councils.
I
I
remember
having
similar
discussions
when
I
was
leading
for
public
health
with
the
pension
fund
trying
to
get
them
to
disinvest
from
tobacco
products
and
another
lobby,
which
has
immense
muscle
economically
and
at
the
time,
couldn't
persuade
the
pension
fund
to
take
the
approach
that
we're
asking
them
to
take
here
in
terms
of
fossil
fuel
industry
and
the
key
element.
There
wasn't
so
much
that
they
thought
they
could
persuade
them
of
the
right
thing
to
do.
It
was
about
getting
that
return
on
investments.
I
So
I
think
the
presentation
that
council
scope
has
given
us
today
is
really
important,
because
it's
very
clearly
made
the
sound
economic
case
for
disinvesting
from
the
fossil
fuel
industry.
And
I'd
like
to
congratulate
andrew
on
his
presentation
and
off
to
say
you
know
how
great
it
is
for
us
to
have
somebody
with
his
skills.
I
To
be
able
to
make
that
case
within
the
council
and
on
the
pension
fund
committee
as
well,
so
a
couple
of
final
points.
Really
I
I'm
happy
to
support
the
proposal
I
mean
maybe
suggest
we
add
the
word
environmental
into
that
recommendation
at
the
end,
and
also
could
we
look
to
add
an
extra
recommendation
chair.
I
My
view
is
that
the
the
way
we're
going
to
be
able
to
succeed
in
making
this
argument
is
not
only
to
have
that
economic
case
made
as
clearly
as
andrews
made
it
today,
but
also
to
persuade
our
colleagues
across
west
yorkshire,
and
I
wonder
if
we
should
add
in
a
recommendation
chair
that
we
take
it
through
the
green
economy
panel.
I
Where
should
combined
authority,
which
a
couple
of
members
from
this
committee
sit
on,
because
we
need
to
be
able
to
persuade
our
west
yorkshire
colleagues
of
the
case
and
if
we
could
get
andrew's
presentation
made
there.
That
might
be
really
powerful
way
of
doing
that.
A
Thanks
thanks
lisa,
I
mean
yeah,
I'm
very
much
in
accord
with
both
those
recommendations.
I
think
yes
very
much,
so
I
think
I
just
think
about
that.
Sorry.
I
was
just
thinking
regarding
the
western
church
combined
authority.
We've
got
some.
We've
got
a
couple
of
green
economy
panel
meetings
coming
fairly
soon.
A
So
what
about?
If,
if
I
as
chair,
come
up
with
a
form
of
words
working
with
council
scopes
and
circulate
that
to
members
yeah,
and
then
we
can
get
something
off
to
the
chair
of
the
green
economy
panel
and
as
as
a
matter
of
urgency.
So
we
can
get
into
there's
a
couple
of
got
quite
a
well-timed
cycle
of
meetings
coming
up
in
one
in
february
thing
and
I
think
we
could
probably
sort
of
interject
ourselves
into
it.
Get
some
urgency
going
that'd
be
really
useful.
So
I'm
seeing
a
lot
of
nods,
that's
fantastic!
A
F
Mine's,
a
really
quick
question:
I've
always
so
years
of
campaigning
talked
about
divestment,
but
we've
heard
about
disinvestment.
Is
that
a
more
technical
term
that's
used
within
the
financial
industry
or
not?
I
just
want
I'm
sorry,
there's
a
bit
of
concern.
I
see
that's
all
that
we
always
use
the
right
word.
That's
all!
I'm
just
thinking
yeah,
it's
it's
within
the
right
in
within
the
the
recommendation.
It
does
actually
say
disinvestment
as
opposed
to
divestment.
C
D
Yes
chair:
this
is
a
request
for
further
work
rather
than
discussion
of
today's
things.
One
word
we
haven't
heard
today,
as
far
as
I
know,
is
carbon
capture
and
storage.
Now,
that's
something
which
I'm
not
wildly
enthusiastic
for.
It's
like
turning
the
north
thing
into
a
gigantic
soda
siphon.
It
requires
you
to
store
carbon
dioxide
for
geological
time
periods,
much
the
same
as
radioactive
waste.
It's
a
similar
sort
of
issue,
but
nevertheless
it
does
affect.
D
A
Think
I
mean
andrew
might
have
a
view
on
this,
but
I
think
I
think
carbon
capture,
it's
important
to
point
out
the
extreme
limitations
of
carbon
capture
and
storage.
I
think
yes,
because
it
is
a
very
limited
technology
and
having
been
involved
in
discussions
at
a
wiki
level,
carbon
capture,
storage
regarding
brown,
hydrogen
versus
green
hydrogen.
A
That
kind
of
thing
advocates
for
carbon
capture
stories
tend
to
be
people
from
the
existing
fossil
fuel
sectors
really
just
want
to
be
keeping
the
glory
days
going
that
bit
longer,
and
I
really
think
it's
for
every
pound
invested
in
carbon
capture
and
storage
is
a
pound.
That's
not
going
into
actual
renewable
energy
methods
like,
for
example,
producing
an
actual
green
hydrogen
economy
for
leads
and
for
west
yorkshire
and
for
the
region.
A
You
know
it
just
detracts
from
that
john
I
just
don't
want
to,
but
before
I
think
we
should
be
prepared
to
point
out
its
limitations
if
people
bring
it
up
and
I'm
sure
andrew's
more
than
capable
of
doing
that
right
on
that
note
after
covering
an
awful
lot
of
ground-
and
I
think
everyone's
had
their
their
views
aired,
and
I
think
no
one's
doesn't
agree
with
andrew's
presentation
in
his
recommendations.
A
As
far
as
I
can
understand
now,
councilman
here
has
come
up
with
a
couple
of
additions
that
I
I
very
much
endorse,
which
is
adding
environmental
to
the
stone
andrew.
Could
you
bring
up
your
sorry
mate?
Could
you
bring
up
your
final
slide.
I
Hi
sorry,
my
wi-fi,
you
really
broke
up
there,
but
I
think
you're
asking
me,
whereas.
I
But
it's
very
environmental
yeah
I
mean
to
be
fair.
I
think
the
things
that
are
going
to
sway
this
are
the
financial
and
environmental
argument,
and
you
know
it's:
it's
counsellor
scopes
original
recommendation,
so
I
you
know
I
I
don't
want
to
suggest
we
remove
model,
but
I
think
it's
probably
the
least
important
in
terms
of
the
arguments,
though,
in
terms
of
environmental
and
financial
arguments
is
my
personal
view
just
put.
A
Yeah,
okay!
Well,
let's,
let's
not
live
edit
andrew's
presentation.
I
think
the
points
made
and
he
can
make
the
appropriate
edit.
So
the
other
recommendation
was
that
we
we
have
an
extra
recommendation
that
we
make
the
case.
A
We
support
andrew
making
this
case
to
the
west
watch
combined
authority
with
specific
reference
to
the
green
economy
panel.
So
are
we
in
accord
with
that?
Can
I
can
I
see
everyone's
andrew?
Can
you
stop
sharing?
It's
all
right,
lovely!
Thank
you!
So
much
everyone's
okay
with
that
yeah
counselor
carl
you've
got
your
hand
raised.
Oh,
oh,
I
got
oh
my
gosh
right.
Thank
you.
J
A
I'll
take
that
as
a
majority
share
of
support,
then
given
all
the
hands
of
the
winner,
okay,
so
we're
all
comfortable
with
those
recommendations,
so
I
think
it's
probably
time
to
wrap
things
up.
So
thank
you
very
much
council
scopes,
andrew
for
that.
That
was
excellent,
very
much
supportive
of
you
of
your
work
there
and
obviously,
we've
got
those
that
extra
recommendation
as
well.
That's
fantastic!
Has
anyone
got
any
sort
of
any
aob
as
a
final
point,
yeah
I'll
keep
your
hands
down.
A
No!
Thank
you
so
much
well,
in
that
case,
folks,
I'm
I'm
going
to
wrap
up
the
meeting
now.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
contributions
and
your
efforts
this
morning
and
council
buckley
did
you
want
to
say
something?
A
Okay?
No,
that's
fine
right!
Well,
in
that
case,
thank
you
very
much
and
I'm
gonna
close
the
meeting
stay
safe.
Everybody.