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B
Okay,
all
right
I
will
note
that
so
I'll
start
with
the
opening
remarks
that
I
need
to
say
and
then
we'll
do
introductions.
So
hello,
everybody
welcome
to
this
meeting.
My
name
is
councilor
Katie,
dye
and
I
will
be
chairing
today's
meeting.
At
this
point,
I
would
like
to
clarify
that,
while
this
meeting
has
been
webcast
live
to
enable
Public
Access,
it's
not
being
held
as
a
public
meeting
in
accordance
with
the
Local
Government
Act
1972..
B
As
such,
it
is
a
remote
consultative
meeting
of
the
climate
emergency
advisory
committee.
The
consultative
status
of
today's
meeting
means
that
some
of
the
usual
formalities
will
not
take
place
at
the
start
of
the
meeting.
This
also
means
that
the
committee
will
not
be
in
a
position
to
take
any
formal
decisions
and,
where
necessary,
any
post-actions
that
do
require
formal
ratification
will
be
referred
to
the
next
formal
public
meeting
of
the
committee
for
approval.
B
Please
can
I
remind
members
to
turn
their
microphone
to
mute
when
they
are
not
speaking
and
to
use
the
hand
raising
function
to
indicate
that
they
would
like
to
speak
as
we
move
through
the
agenda.
Thank
you
very
much.
So
can
we
start
with
introductions
and
we'll
start
with
councilor
Anderson?
Please.
C
B
E
B
B
I
B
B
G
B
Okay
right,
in
that
case,
let's
move
on
to
the
minutes.
So
if
you
are
able
to
see
the
minutes
in
your
pack,
we
have
two
sets
of
minutes
to
approve.
Today
the
first
one
was
from
the
seaac
meeting
of
the
28th
of
November,
and
that
starts
on
page
seven
in
your
pack.
So
does
anybody
have
any
comments
on
page
seven.
B
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
so
we'll
take
those
as
approved
and
we're
going
to
have
a
slight
switch
in
the
order
of
the
agenda
because
Martin,
who
is
our
director
for
the
meeting,
can't
stay
for
the
full
meeting,
so
I've
suggested
that
he
comes
next
and
then
where
we
can
move
things
around
after
that
and
I
know
Gary's
now
with
us.
So
thank
you.
You're
welcome
Gary!
L
Okay,
then
Rachel,
so
what
what
I'm
proposed
to
do
and
I
think
you've
learned
about
45
minutes
for
this
chair
I
was
gonna,
do
about
15-20
minutes
myself,
City
developments
abroad,
church,
so
I'll,
I'll,
try
and
pick
out
highlights
from
across
the
services
that
we
provide,
and
then
that
creates
the
opportunity
for
questions
from
there.
Oh,
are
we
loaded
now.
I
L
L
We
are
collaborating
with
Partners
across
the
city
to
create
an
ecosystem
to
support
entrepreneurs
and
very
much.
This
is
aligned
to
the
government's
most
recently
announced
proposals
regarding
investment
zones
in
the
Chancellor's
Autumn
statement,
where
it
talks
about
Innovation
clusters
as
a
departure
from
the
the
initial
investment
zones
proposition.
So
I
think
as
we
develop
our
response
to
that
call
when
it
comes
out
during
the
course
of
this
year
being
able
to
step
up
to
the
plate
on
that
and
be
ready,
but
particularly
with
regard
to
Innovation.
L
That
is
complementary
to
our
actions
on
climate
change
will
be
key
and
then,
finally,
there
we
talk
about
destination
marketing
and
our
international
relations
plan,
which
is
approved
by
Executive
Board
in
October
2022,
which
sets
out
how
the
city
will
drive
sustainable
tourism.
Key
things
here
is
about
longer
dwell
times,
encouraging
the
use
of
local
Independence
in
the
supply
chain,
as
well
as
sustainable
travel
across
the
city,
engaging
with
the
hotel
and
venue
sector
with
an
align,
Net,
Zero
agenda.
L
L
In
terms
of
the
combined
authorities.
Green
skills
task
force,
where
a
member
of
that
which
is
looking
to
take
forward
the
regional
recommendations
to
support
engagement
and
inspiration
of
skills
for
the
green
economy,
retention
and
the
creation
of
Workforce
skills,
the
need
for
information
about
growth
and
decline
in
access
to
training
and
then,
finally,
developing
employment
and
skills.
Green
skills
plan
to
support
the
transition
to
Net
Zero
by
2030
is
a
key
piece
of
work.
L
For
us
and
how
we
adapt
to
climate
change,
this
plan
will
take
forward
the
priorities
of
our
actions
from
2023
next
slide.
Please
and
then
on
the
cultural
side
in
terms
of
Leeds
2023
I've
highlighted
their
sustainable
arts
in
Leeds
sale
as
the
acronym,
which
is
a
not-for-profit
member
Network
supporting
cultural
and
creative
Industries
across
Leeds
to
realize
an
ambition
for
a
zero
emissions,
zero
waste
sector,
it's
enabled
by
ourselves
through
Council
funding
and
sale
formed
in
2018
as
a
response
to
the
rising
climate
crisis.
L
Next
slide,
please
so
I'm
planning
on
sustainable
development
when
I
have
the
pre-brief
I
agree
that
I
wouldn't
talk
too
much
about
planning
a
sustainable
development,
because
my
understanding
is
you've
had
detailed
presentations
on
the
area
of
planning.
Quite
recently,
I
think
the
two
areas
that
I
would
simply
highlight
is
is
around
the
Leeds
local
plan
going
to
2040
local
update
one,
your
city,
your
neighborhood,
your
planet
has
looked
at
the
climate
change
policies
and
how
they
need
to
be
updated
for
2014
and
we've
been
out
to
consultation
on
that.
L
So
that's
obviously
a
key
piece
of
work
in
the
context
of
this
committee
and
then
local
update
to
where
we're
looking
to
go
forward
to
Executive
Board
in
February
and
consult
in
later
February
and
throughout
march,
on
the
scope
of
the
local
update
too.
That
will
include
potentially
looking
at
the
spatial
strategy
for
the
city,
our
approach
to
housing,
our
approach
to
Economic,
Development,
the
role
of
District
centers
and
in
particular
that
will
bring
out
important
issues
around
20-minute,
neighborhoods,
minerals
and
waste
and
how
we
manage
for
that,
going
forward
to
2040
and
also
transport.
L
L
L
What
you've
got
on
the
top
slide?
There
is
newly
completed
properties
at
tarndale
and
Mardel,
which
is
a
development
of
some
41
new
homes,
and
they
have
achieved
an
EPC
score
of
86,
which
gives
an
EPC
rating
of
B
an
air
tightness
score
of
just
below
three
and
what
we've
done.
In
terms
of
enhancing
that
specification.
We
took
the
policy
decision
not
to
install
any
gas
boilers
in
new
builds
and
so
Healy
Croft
at
Tingley,
which
was
recently
completed
in
the
picture
below
uses
ground,
Source
heat
pumps
and
solar
PVS.
L
That
has
an
EPC
rating
of
a
and
that's,
then
building
all
the
time
and
looking
at
we're
currently
looking
at
going
on
site
to
Amberton
court
for
gibton
and
that
will
have
air
source
heat
pumps.
As
the
technology
that
we
intend
to
use
there
so
looking
to
move
that
forward
in
an
upward
trajectory
in
terms
of
the
environmental
performance
of
those
new
houses
and
then
highways
and
transportation,
there's
a
range
of
issues
that
I'll
quickly
go
through
here
next
slide.
L
L
Through
amending
our
working
practices,
we
can
reduce
carbon
impact
projects
so
ensuring
our
policies,
strategies
and
Designs,
promote
zero
low
carbon
outcomes
such
as
travel
choices
and
embedded
carbon
and
then
the
supply
chain
ensuring
that,
through
our
contracts,
we
promote
designs,
construction
methods
and
materials
that
minimize
carbon
impacts
and
climate
adoption
plan
is
is
also
within
there.
So
the
council
wide
workshops
supported
follow-up
work
in
High,
Ridge
and
transportation,
which
is
planned
for
early
2023..
L
So
those
are
the
key
areas,
the
next
slide
and
when
we,
when
we
look
at
what
that
means
in
terms
of
Behavioral
change,
this
slide
intends
just
to
highlight
what
that
means.
So,
on
the
right
hand,
side
you've
got
by
2030
how
trips
need
to
be
in
terms
of
the
the
modal
split,
so
30
walking
four
percent
cycling,
22
public
transport,
two
percent
other
and
41
by
private
car,
and
then,
on
the
left
hand
side.
L
You
see
what
that
means
in
terms
of
changes,
so
a
33
increase
in
Walking,
120
increase
in
public
transport
and
a
30
increase
a
decrease,
sorry
in
private
car
and
then
next
slide,
and
what
this
slide
shows
is
one
of
the
key
elements
in
the
strategy
which
is,
if
we
carried
on
with
the
as
is
pre
the
strategy.
You
have
the
green
line.
L
The
measures
that
include
a
series
of
local
and
sub-regional
measures
between
ourselves
in
the
combined
Authority
gives
you
the
trajectory
of
what
we
can
bring
forward
on
the
blue
line.
But
there
you
have
the
orange
line,
which
says
where
we
need
to
get
to
in
terms
of
a
linear
trajectory
by
2030,
and
that's
really
where
there's
the
Gap
in
terms
of
probably
looking
for
National
policy
outside
of
the
actions
that
we
could
take
locally
to
drive
that
down
to
that
Target.
L
So
there's
a
real
issue
there
that
we
outline
more
fully
in
the
connecting
lead
strategy.
So
then
we
go
in
terms
of
the
investment
program.
Next
slide,
please,
and
particularly
the
Leeds
public
transport
Improvement
program
and
the
full
benefits
which
is
delivered.
Five
key
transport
corridors
introduced
1785
new
park
and
ride
spaces,
improved
public
spaces,
as
I
I
picked
up
earlier.
L
The
delivery
of
seven
neighborhood
transport
hubs
and
improvements
to
Leeds
bus
station
and
improvements
to
990
bus
stops
so
taken
collectively
that
175
million
pound
program
improved
air
quality
and
reduced
carbon
emissions.
The
program
wide
and
predicted
reduction
as
a
result
of
modal
shift
is
23
443
tons
of
CO2
over
60
years.
It's
actually
equivalent
of
moving
30.4
million
car
trips
and
then
at
the
bottom.
There
you've
got
Stern
Park
and
Ride,
which
was
one
of
the
larger
schemes
delivered
through
this
program.
L
It's
the
UK's
first
fully
solar
powered,
Park
and
Ride
offsetting
800
tons
of
carbon
each
year
provides
1200
spaces
under
active
travel
Hub.
It's
served
by
a
fleet
of
electric
buses
with
30
EV
charging
bays
and
there
was
a
tree
replacement
as
part
of
the
development
to
ratio
of
54.
to
one
next
slide.
Please
and
then
through
the
delivery
of
large
programs
such
as
this.
L
One
of
the
key
aspects
that
the
service
has
sought
to
undertake
is
undertake
Pilots
to
say
how
can
we
drive
down
carbon
in
the
delivery
of
our
projects,
both
in
terms
of
the
operation
of
delivering
those
projects
and
in
the
embodied
carbon?
That's
delivered
so
key
large
Capital
schemes,
where
we've
piloted
that
one
is
the
East
Leeds
orbital,
where
over
half
a
million
of
cubic
meters
of
material
was
excavated,
but
98
of
waste
diverted
from
landfill
by
re,
being
reused
or
recycled.
L
Road
planing
planings
were
recycled
to
be
used
in
cycle
route.
Footwears
saving
200
000
pounds,
Eco
net
site
cabins,
were
used,
saving
more
than
500
trillions
of
CO2
every
year
and
replaces
248
removed
trees
with
35
235
new
trees
and
has
a
50
mile
an
hour,
speed
limit
to
reduce
emissions
and
then
another
large
Capital
scheme
that
we've
got
undergoing
currently,
where
we've
undertaken
a
carbon
reduction
approaches.
L
The
flood
Aviation
scheme,
too,
which
we
set
ourselves
a
target
of
reducing
carbon
emissions
from
the
use
of
materials
by
20
and
energy
use
by
10
compared
to
what
would
be
the
normal
delivery
in
the
Baseline
figure.
This
saving
is
equivalent
to
approximately
3700
tons
of
carbon
and
examples
of
the
kind
of
measures
we've
brought
forward
is
utilizing
clay
from
local
Fields,
rather
than
importing
them
from
further
away
that
saved
five
thousand
wagon
loads
of
material
being
transported
from
elsewhere
and
I.
L
Think
really
on
on
both
of
those
two
through
the
delivery
of
those
projects,
we've
tried
to
elevate
the
management
of
carbon
to
sit
alongside
the
management
of
the
finance
and
budgets
and
I
think
that
has
led
to
demonstrable
reductions
in
carbon
through
those
approaches
being
adopted
next
slide,
please
and
then
in
terms
of
fluid
alleviation
scheme
2..
That
is
a
key
measure
in
terms
of
the
resilience
of
the
city
and
its
ability,
its
ability
to
withstand
the
flood
along
the
air
Corridor.
L
The
scheme
delivers
one
in
200
year
protection
and
it
is
the
largest
natural
flood
management
scheme
in
terms
of
the
upper
catchment
Works
ever
attempted
in
the
UK.
So
it
has
a
a
national
profile
in
that
sense,
as
well
as
being
on
the
government's
major
projects
program
as
as
one
of
the
key
projects
in
the
UK
and
as
as
part
of
that
significance,
amount
of
Hedgerow
planting,
aeration,
peatland,
restoration
and
tree
planting.
L
Currently
we
have
some
412
000
trees
have
been
planted
up
to
this
planting
season
and
the
profile
of
planting
for
this
winter
is
a
further
100
000
trees
in
the
upper
catchment
which
aims
to
maximize
the
amount
of
resilience
through
natural
flood
Management.
In
the
upper
catchment
to
minimize
the
amount
of
hard-edged
engineering,
we
have
to
do
along
the
urban
Corridor
of
the
Rivera.
L
B
G
G
But
how
far
are
we
cascading
that
right
down
the
supply
chain
and
the
contractor
chain
to
to
the
lowest
level?
How
far
is
it
permanent
permeating
the
whole
system?
And
my
second
question
relates
to
buildings
and
you,
you
gave
us
some
very
interesting
information
about
how
new
build
social
housing
is
having
heat
pumps
installed,
presumably
with
the
commensurate
insulation
and
draft
proofing.
But
what
about
other
buildings
that
fall
within
the
remit
of
of
City
development,
both
as
a
service
provider
and
as
a
landlord.
L
Yeah
no
I
can
do
I
mean
in
terms
of
supply
chain.
There
is,
there
is
a
lot
of
work
that
now
takes
place
within
highways
and
transportation
on
supply
chain,
councilor
trustwell
and
what
we've
tried
to
do
is
use
those
two
pilots
of
those
big
capital
projects
to
mainstream
that
activity
within
the
director.
I,
don't
know
whether
Gary's
on
whether
he
wanted
to
provide
any
more
detail
on
that
Gary
yeah.
M
Thanks
Martin,
hopefully
you
can
hear
me.
We
we
have
a
series
of
Frameworks
contractual
Frameworks
that
we're
setting
up
and,
and
the
idea
of
that
is
to
help
make
sure
that
these
impacts
and
these
changes
are
embedded
in
all
the
contracts
that
we
let.
So
it's
not
just
the
big
schemes.
It
is
also
the
the
day-to-day
if
you
like,
for
example,
highways
maintenance
contracts
that
we
will
let
as
well.
M
The
contractors
must
have
regard
for
what
they're
doing
I'm
not
saying
it's,
there's
still
a
lot
of
work
to
do
in
this
area,
but
hopefully
you
can
see
from
the
slides
and
the
evidence.
That's
been
provided
that
we're
on
that
path,
and
we
are
Keen
to
explore
this
under
the
governance
Arrangements
that
Martin
covered
off
in
his
one
of
the
first
slides
for
highways
and
transportation.
L
Perhaps
before
so
opting
out
is
because
there's
a
clear
and
justifiable
reason
why?
Because
of
the
nature
of
that
building,
it's
not
appropriate
to
try
and
Achieve
Brian
excellent,
but
we
sort
of
change
the
dial
to
to
make
that
the
opt-out
culture
rather
than
opt-in.
And
that
means
that,
in
terms
of
those
works,
there's
a
higher
level
of
achievement
of
Brie
and
excellent
across
the
council's
portfolio,
as
well
as
that
being
a
requirement
in
planning
in
terms
of
large-scale
new
build
now
as
well.
Thank
you,
Chad.
G
L
That's
where
we'd
look
for
that
to
achieve
Brian
excellent
and
make
that
step
change
in
terms
of
the
performance
of
the
building.
So
it's
probably
two
strategies
there
Council
trustworld,
enhancing
what
we've
got
where
we
can,
but
recognizing
that
in
some
instances
it's
it's
about
a
new
build
proposition.
L
H
Hi,
so
yes,
I
recognize
the
new
build
house
on
tan
side.
There
I
think
we
might
have
been
in
that
one
41
properties
on
that
piece
of
land,
fantastic.
They
are
as
well.
I
I
got
excited
about
the
figure
I
think
you
said,
1200
planned
and
I
wondered
what
the
what
the
time
period
time
scale
for
that
lovely
big
figure
of
1200
was
and
part
two
just
be
really
interested
in
some
in
a
bit
more
detail
about
the
city
center
Greening,
whether
that's
a
provided
later
or
no.
Thank
you.
L
The
the
the
1200
is
over
a
five-year
time
scale,
councilor
Tudor,
some
of
which
a
lot
of
the
I
mean
I
can
send
you
the
detail,
it
it
it's
set
out
and
it's
it's
something
that
we
report
on
in
terms
of
number
of
developments
that
are
on
site-
and
you
mentioned
there
that
you've
been
to
the
tarndale
site.
I.
Was
there
myself
a
few
weeks
ago
as
well,
and
we've
got
a
big
site,
as
Council
trustwell
will
know
in
Middleton,
that's
currently
on
site.
L
We've
got
a
much
larger
volume
of
properties
in
the
pipeline
in
terms
of
going
through
planning
and
tendering,
and
probably
that's
where
amberton's
is
at
the
front
of
that
queue
in
terms
of
getting
onto
site
and
then
a
series
of
other
properties
and
scheme
proposals
that
are
in
feasibility,
so
that's
I
can
I
can
again
cancel
the
diet.
I
can
I
can
send
the
schedule
of
that
we've
got
it
found
it's
no
problem.
We
can
share
it
amongst
members
and
then
in
terms
of
The
Greening
of
the
city,
I
suppose,
from
a
development
perspective.
L
I'm
always
mindful
that
development
is
an
exercise
in
Dynamic
patients,
and
we
had
City
Center
conferences
in
2008
and
2009.,
which
highlighted
the
issue
of
green
space
in
the
city
center
and
I.
I
did
a
piece
of
work
on
that
as
a
much
younger
man
and
and
really
what
what
you
identified
through
that
was.
L
L
L
We
took
the
tunnel
away,
we
took
slit
Road
away,
we
put
a
piece
of
public
realm
there
and
cars
now
simply
approached
traffic
lights
and
take
a
hard
left
at
that
Junction.
But
it
really
thought
it
helps
to
add
green
interventions
into
the
city.
So
there's
a
whole
scale
of
work.
That's
taken
place
at
the
councilor
tutor
that
I've
just
tried
to
summarize
quickly
but
I
hope.
That's
helpful
to
you.
H
E
Thank
you,
chair
Martin,
thanks
a
very,
very
comprehensive
and
quite
a
wide-ranging
presentation
and
just
picking
up
one
comment.
Actually
the
you
mentioned
around
the
kind
of
the
work
we're
doing
with
further
education
colleges
in
terms
of
training,
and
that
is
really
key.
I
mean
to
give
you
an
example,
my
local
plumber,
who
does
my
Services
may
still
moderately
modern
gas
Combi
boiler
I,
was
chatting
to
him
about
it
because
we're
looking
at
potentially
going
Airsoft
heat
pump
and
going
to
you
know,
storage,
water,
vessel
and
I
said
I.
E
E
He
said
no,
it's
just
because,
to
be
honest,
gas
boilers
are
going
to
be
around
for
the
next
20
years
and
that
will
see
me
out,
but
it
did
highlight
the
fact
that
we
rapidly
need
the
next
generation
of
or
retrained
Fitters
for
solar
panels.
Asos
heat
pumps,
retrofit
heating
systems,
there's
a
lot
of
tech
change
coming
through
and
we
we
need
the
skills
and
we're
going
to
need
an
awful
lot
of
them
in
the
next
sort
of
five
ten
years
as
as
demand
grows
and
the
technical
products
come
along.
E
So
that
was
just
an
observation.
One
thing
that
was
on
your
slides,
I
picked
up
on
and
you
talked
about.
You
know
we
clearly
need
to
get
down
our
you
know
City's
cabin
footprint.
There
was
one
thing
in
there
which
that
sort
of
stuck
with
me,
which
was
considered
charging
measures
to
reduce
demand
for
travel,
and
you
know
I
think
keeping
this
sort
of
Top
Line
I
worry
when
I
see
things
like
that,
because
ultimately,
charging
and
adding
costs
in
disadvantages
disproportionately
the
poorer
in
our
society.
E
You
know
it's
not
it's,
not
the
guy
in
the
4x4
Volvo
that
kind
of
well,
you
know,
won't
drive
or
use
they'll
pay.
Whatever
parking
I
mean,
I
was
up
in
Edinburgh,
where
my
daughter's
at
Uni
and
they
charged
they
charge
five
quid
an
hour
to
park
on
streets
a
couple
of
miles
from
the
center
and
guess
what
the
parks
are
full.
So
it's
not
it's
not
a
pricing
issue.
E
You
know,
I
also
think
it's
one
of
the
best
in
the
northern
hemisphere.
It's
there
are
very,
very
few
City
centers
that
I
love
as
much
as
leads
in
the
variety
of
architecture,
but
that
should
be
alongside
having
good
localities
and
good
travels.
You
know
good
travel
around
those
localities,
which
I
think
is
something
that
we
you
know
we
need
to
see
and
I
think
I,
know
the
next
agenda
item
in
terms
of
mass
transport
and
touches
on
that.
L
Yeah,
thank
you
counselor
in
terms
of
perhaps
the
20-minute
neighborhood
I'll
address
that
first,
it's
something
I
touched
on
as
one
of
the
areas
in
the
local
plan.
2
update,
that's
coming
forward
to
executive
board,
so
there's
a
live
issue
there
of
recognizing
that
the
future
District
centers
and
then
how
we
achieve
that
20-minute
neighborhood
ambition
is,
is
key
for
us
going
forward
to
the
plan
in
2040
or
leading
up
to
takes
that
goes,
takes
us
to
2040.
L
and
that
it's
the
consultation
that
will
be
undertaken
in
late
February
and
through
March,
where
I
think
there's
an
opportunity
to
engage
on
that
one
to
help
develop
that
policy
going
forward
further
in
terms
of
demand,
management
issues,
I
I,
I,
think,
I.
Think
I.
Think
you
make
a
fair
point
in
terms
of
current
and
stick
I
know:
councilor
Hayden
has
put
a
hand
up
I,
don't
know
whether
it
was
on
this
point
that
she
wanted
to
comment.
L
B
N
Thank
you,
I've
had
terrible
I.T
problems,
so
I
assume
can
throw
me
out
so,
but
I
did
I
mean
I'm
out
and
beware,
but
on
that
spot,
particularly
and
Martin's,
absolutely
right.
That's
where
I
wanted
to
talk
about,
because
it
is
more
of
a
a
political
kind
of
ask
and
a
more
political
kind
of
approach
to
to
this
thing,
I
mean
there
will
be
people
who
will
accuse
us
of
being
anti-car.
N
I
mean
the
strategy
is
lead
to
be
a
place
where
you
don't
need
a
car
and
and
and
that
will
benefit
the
poorest
the
most
because
they
don't
have
cars.
At
the
moment,
only
35
of
people
in
the
Recreations
have
a
car,
yet
they
suffer
much
more
five
times
more
from
air
quality
related
illnesses,
so
not
anti-car.
It's
not
where
you
shouldn't
have
a
car.
N
It's
where
you
don't
need
a
car,
but
there
will
be
people
feeling
threatened
by
the
fact
that
they're,
not
you
know
the
certain
places
close
to
close
to
them
and
The
Roots
have
changed
and
what
they've
traditionally
done
for
20
30
40
years?
It's
not
the
same
anymore
and
change
all
you
know
and
change
is
difficult
and
but
in
the
end
it's
the
right
thing
to
do,
especially
if
we
want
to
get
those
figures
that
Martin
talked
about
and
the
particular
reduction
in
the
private
private
car
use.
N
Sorry,
on
the
point
about
charging,
we
have
to
keep
everything
in
our
Arsenal
and
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
carrot.
I
don't
want
to
bring
in
any
more
charging
than
there
is
at
the
moment,
but
that's
not
to
say
that
you
don't
have
it
in
Your
Arsenal.
You
have,
if
all
of
all
the
things
we're
doing
in
terms
of
trying
to
improve
access
to
public
transport
and
the
public
transport
itself
and
times
and
reliability,
and
and
then
your
cycle
ways
and
active,
encouraging
active
and
travel
and
making
it
safer.
N
E
E
No,
it
was
good
to
hear
that
the
15
20
minute
neighborhoods
as
well
depends
out
I,
don't
know
if
that
I
don't
feel
the
same
thing.
It
just
depends
how
fast
your
cycle,
but
it's
good
to
hear
that
they're
in
that
they're
in
skirt,
because
you
know
whether
it
be
you
know
Rothwell
where
I
live
or
Crossgates
or
Chapel
Allerton
or
areas
of
Eastern
or
adult
you
know,
we've
got
some
really
really
good.
E
G
E
E
D
I
was
gonna,
come
in
I
guess,
I'll
come
in
with
the
point
anyway.
I
was
just
thinking
of
of
the
points
comrade
raised
in
and
Helen
came
to
as
well,
because
it's
interesting
we've
got
these
two
things
together,
that
we've
got
Martin
Around
the
transport
strategy
and
then
the
mass
transit,
because
obviously,
what
has
always
reflected
in
my
mind
is
one
master
and
it's
something
that
we're
sorely
missing
and
we'll
make
a
good
move
towards
it.
D
But
from
when
I've
looked
around
so
I
obviously
have
a
responsibility
for
for
trying
to
bring
improvements
to
the
bus
transport
across
West
Yorkshire,
which
is
proven
incredibly
difficult.
Due
to
the
fact
of
how
bus
companies
happen
to
be
arranged
as
well
as
where
the
funding's
coming
from
and
the
struggles
they're
having
from
the
pandemic.
D
But
what
I've
seen
from
other
cities
is
those
that
have
tram
systems
actually
can
make
an
income
off
the
tram
system
and
are
able
to
fund
that
into
improving
public
transport,
and
that's
one
other
way
that
leads
finds
itself
let
down
in
a
way.
So,
due
to
that,
we
don't
have
the
funding
that
Manchester
may
have
that
they
could
then
spend
on
improving
public
transport
and
I.
D
Think
that's
one
of
the
big
struggles
that
we
face
on
that,
so
public
transport
is
there
paid
paid
purely
by
what
the
government
decided
to
pay
for
it
and
what
passengers
pay.
But
if
you
end
up
taking
control
of
that
fair
box,
you
can
obviously
decide
what
you
do
with
that
money.
And
unfortunately
we
don't
have
that
dude.
We
don't
have
a
nice
transit
system.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
those
points.
I
would
imagine
that
that
would
flow
nicely
into
the
agenda
item
that
we've
got
on
mass
transit,
so
we've
got
Sabi
and
and
Kevin
who
can
pick
up
on
that
with
us
later
on
in
the
meeting
anybody
else
got
any
more
questions.
Council
hartbrook.
Is
that
a
hand
remaining
from
the
previous
question?
Yes,
it
is
it's
gone.
B
So
just
looking
at
the
notes
that
I
made
Martin
during
your
presentation,
a
lot
of
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
discuss
have
been
covered
and
I
certainly
don't
want
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
recovering
them,
particularly
because
I'm
conscious
of
your
time
just
a
point
about
the
green
skills
and
jobs
and
I
know
you
mentioned
the
research
about
the
that
they
had.
Partnership
have
been
doing.
B
B
The
work
with
schools
and
colleges
to
make
sure
that
young
people
are
fully
informed
and
then
they
can
make
the
right
choices
about
kind
of
careers
and
and
further
training
and
everything
else
really,
apart
from
the
huge
gap
to
Net
Zero,
which
is
something
that
keeps
me
awake
at
night
has
been,
has
been
covered
in
further
questions.
So
I
think
we
can
leave
that
item
there
with
a
couple
of
actions
for
you
Martin
to
provide
a
briefing
notes
on
Leisure
centers
and
the
schedule
for
house
building.
B
M
B
Of
course,
you're
very
welcome.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
so
moving
on
in
the
agenda,
then
the
next
thing
that
we're
going
to
go
to
is
our
open
Forum.
We
have
two
submissions
this
week
and
I
understand
Rachel
you're
going
to
read
out
the
submissions
because
the
people
who've
sent
them
in
are
not
able
to
attend.
Is
that
correct?
That's.
I
I
So
I
was
reading
on
behalf
of
Stephen
Rowe
who's.
The
resident
and
his
submission
is
I
recently
came
to
a
planning
committee
meeting
to
object
to
the
council
allowing
a
construction
company
to
withdraw
the
offer
a
place
in
a
corner
shop
on
a
development
and
instead
turning
the
space
into
additional
Flats.
What
is
highlighted
for
me
and
I
think
some
of
the
councils
at
the
meeting
was
that
there's
no
environmental
considerations
around
planning
applications
or
not
enough,
and
that
whilst
there
may
be
a
kind
of
emergency
declares,
it's
not
permeate
permeated.
I
It's
far
enough
throughout
the
council
to
be
a
significant
to
be
significant
enough
to
make
a
difference.
My
objections
today,
withdrawal
of
the
corner
shop,
was
on
the
basis
that,
by
installing
such
a
shots
catered
for
a
thousand
plus
dwellings,
this
would
produce
the
residents
in
the
surrounding
areas
making
sure
and
car
Journeys
to
shops.
Elsewhere.
I
Short
car
Journeys
are
the
worst
in
terms
of
polluting
the
environment
and
causing
health
issues
to
the
drivers
of
the
cars
involved.
Whilst
the
funding
officers
alerted
us
to
the
location
of
other
shops
nearby,
the
nature
of
going
shopping,
these
days
means
most
people
drive
to
shops
and
only
people
who
don't
own
cars,
don't
drive
to
the
shops.
Surely
planning
can
also
look
at
common
human
behavior
and
fats
are
in
the
fats
are
in
the
80
of
people.
I
Have
a
car
cars
creates
a
dependency
which
needs
subtle
interference
to
remove
people
from
by
creating
a
cornershop.
Thousands
of
small
car
Journeys
a
week
will
be
prevented
as
people
instead
walked
across
the
estate
benefits
of
people
just
walking
in
terms
of
help
and
the
social
aspects
of
neighbors
meeting
in
a
focal
point
also
brings
a
community
together.
Aside
from
the
sustainability
benefits,.
B
Thank
you
for
that
Rachel
and
I.
Think
short.
Journeys
is
something
that
a
seac.
We
should
be
really
concerned
about,
and
we've
heard
in
in
Martin's
presentation
about
that
as
well,
and
we
also
heard
about
the
the
local
plan
updates
and
the
discussion
of
the
20-minute
neighborhoods
that
came
out
of
that,
and
so
I
think
that's
something
that
we
definitely
need
to
take
on
board
and
I.
Think
we
have
the
local
Plan
update
as
an
agenda
item
for
the
next
infrastructure
working
group.
B
I
I
I
Today
we
are
asking
you
to
act
urgently
and
demand.
Council
leaders
abandon
their
plans
for
plastic
Sparks.
Pitch
developments
on
leads
nature
sites.
The
video
shows
one
of
the
sites
of
a
focus
on
insects
observed
there
and
photographed
by
the
community.
The
developments
are
against
your
climate
emergency
policy,
current
biodiversity
policies
and
the
local
Plan
update.
They
are
against
the
UK's
commitment
to
end
plastic
pollution.
Through
its
membership
of
the
high
ambition
coalition,
abandoned
plastic
grass
will
be
included
in
proposed
chains
due
to
the
mppf,
but
the
bum
will
go
further.
I
Death
has
responded
by
making
rubber
Chrome
Sparks
in
built
and
other
intentionally
added
microplastics
to
top
priority
for
its
own
reach
program.
Deborah
States
existing
concerns
relate
mainly
to
environmental
risks,
but
more
recent
studies
suggest
there
are
also
risk
to
union
health.
The
EU
abandoned
similar
new
UK
legislation
will
see
the
sale
of
rubbercrombed
by
2029.
The
UK
Sports
bodies
are
aware
of
this
change
in
Direction.
I
The
council's
proposed
rubber
crumb
pictures
only
have
a
six-year
lifespan
at
most.
This
is
unsustainable
development
and,
contrary
to
the
council's
car
value
of
spending
money
wisely,
Professor
Andrew
Waterson
is
working
with
the
environment
agency,
part
of
defra
to
update
the
UK
legislation.
Ps
leads
into
Council
not
to
use
rubber
crumbing
bill
because
of
the
risks.
The
environment
agency
also
supports
using
the
precautionary
principle.
The
Counselor,
ignoring
sensible
advice,
not
only
are
plastic
pitch,
is
unsustainable.
The
counselor
choosing
it
an
appropriate
sensitive
sites
sites
are
already
designated
for
wildlife,
Greenbelt
and
Parkland.
I
We
already
use
these
sites
for
nature,
watching
Close
to
Home
and
Community
well-being.
Scariest
Meadowland
is
more
valuable
left
for
nature
because
of
the
biodiversity
crisis.
These
sites
will
never
recover
because
of
the
toxic
toxicity
of
the
materials.
There
are
alternatives
to
plastic
pitches
such
as
improved
natural
grass
ones
and
alternative
Round
field
sites.
Existing
facilities
can
be
shared
in
line
with
a
circular
economy,
plastic
pitches
increase
the
risk
of
serious
flooding
problems,
soil
and
green
spaces
acts
as
a
sponge
and
slows
down
the
flow
of
water
into
drains.
I
Fifty
percent
of
rainfall
can
run
straight
off.
Some
types
of
plastic
grass
drains
are
easily
overwhelmed.
Rubber
crumb
particles
and
microplastics
are
easily
Escape
into
the
environment
in
bad
wiper.
They
are
also
washed
down
shower
drains
and
dispersed
on
kits
and
trainers.
Rubber
crumb
particles
are
eaten
by
Wildlife,
mistaking
the
crumbs
for
food
and
players
are
also
accidentally
ingest
and
inhale
the
particles
they
can
also
be
absorbed
through
the
skin.
They
start
dissolved
harmful
chemicals
that
Leach
from
rubber
crumb
and
Plastics
as
dispersed
into
nearby
water,
casters
and
soil.
I
It's
particularly
toxic
to
Aquatic,
Life
and
earthworms
earthworms
have
been
declined
by
a
third
in
the
UK
plastic
pitches,
create
huge
Urban
heat
Islands.
Reducing
the
quality
of
the
air
harmful
chemicals
are
also
released
as
a
gas
during
hot
weather
and
breathed
in
players
also
response
and
heat
related
illness
plastic
grass
is
much
hotter
than
the
natural
environment
green
spaces.
On
the
other
hand,
call
the
city,
floodlet
pitches,
cause
light
pollution
effects
in
bats,
insects,
navigating
birds
and
migrating
animals.
It
even
changes
to
foraging
behavior
of
the
Hedgehogs
and
affects
plants
and
trees.
I
I
The
councilor
relying
on
a
company
to
repurpose
material,
which
means
it
remains
in
the
environment,
slowly
degrading
as
it
degrades
it,
causes
even
more
plastic
and
chemical
pollution.
Some
Pitch
waste
is
sent
to
less
developed
countries,
so
its
dispersal
can
become
their
problem.
We
want
you
to
support
the
global
Plastics
treaty
and
protect
our
precious
green
spaces
and
communities
from
plastic
and
chemical
pollution.
I
F
B
B
For
taking
time
to
prepare
a
video
to
go
with
it,
I
have
to
say:
I
I
understand
concerns,
particularly
about
rubber
crumb
infill.
It's
something
that
we
we
should,
as
a
committee
be
concerned
about,
and
the
reference
to
the
defra
work.
I
know
the
defer
and
public
health
England
are
working
with
sport.
England
to
look
at
this
issue
can
I
recommend
that
seaac
raises
our
concerns
about
the
use
of
rubber
Chrome.
Infill
are
people
in
agreement
with
that?
Can
we
do
that
Rachel?
Can
we
raise
our
concerns
with
sport?
B
C
B
Do
believe
you're
right,
yes,
I
think
he
has
okay.
Well,
tell
you
what
we'll
do
the
other
two
and
then,
if
you,
if
he
appears
again,
then
we
can
come
back
to
him.
Okay,
so
the
first
one
was
infrastructure
planning
and
buildings
which
I
chair
and
at
the
last
meeting,
we
had
an
update
on
the
net
zero
housing
plan.
So
we
talked
about
the
combined
Authority,
Better,
Homes
Hub
and
the
retrofit
Hub.
We
had
a
conversation
about
how
to
engage
people.
B
We
talked
about
the
scaling
up
of
the
area
approach,
for
example
the
holbeck
work,
and
then
we
also
mentioned
the
local
plan
updates
and
we
also
discussed
green
jobs.
So
two
things
that
seem
to
be
getting
quite
a
lot
of
Courage
coverage
through
seaac
at
the
minute.
We
also
talked
about
the
idea
of
improving
boiler
standards.
B
C
So
it
kind
of
works
through
Google
Maps
and
it
highlights
all
the
areas
where
there's
development
taking
place
and
it
color
codes
it
to
like.
What's
been
submitted,
what's
in
development
and
what's
been
completed,
I
mean
I
could
share
the
link
on
on
here,
but
it
was
actually
quite
interesting.
I
mean
it
goes
all
the
way
from
in
the
cities
down
there.
All
the
way
kind
of
three
leaves
actually.
C
Please
I,
don't
know
who's
done
it
I,
don't
know
I'm,
not
sure
who's
taking
who's
actually
taking
control
of
it,
but,
like
I
said
leave,
live,
had
shared
it
in
2019
and
it's
still
completely
up
to
date,
showing
you
know.
Recent
developments
have
just
been
submitted,
so
I'll
I'll
show
it
I'll
show
it
in
the
comment
section.
Thank.
B
B
I
I
can't
see
him
chair,
but
I
don't
know
if
it
would
help
in
terms
of
just
an
overview,
because
obviously
I
was
present
at
the
at
the
biodiversity
food
and
waste
group.
That
would
be
super
if
you
can
please
yeah,
so
we
lost
about
in
December,
and
the
main
focus
of
that
particular
working
group
was
to
discuss
circular
economy.
I
Potentially,
you
know
internal
Services,
how
we
can
work
towards
circular
economy,
but
then
there
was
also
the
thing
of
communication
and
sort
of
changing
that
culture
amongst
our
residents
and
people
that
we
work
with
so
moving
forward.
The
takeaway
from
it
was
that
we
were
going
to
look
at
how
moving
forward.
We
could
look
at
some
of
our
own
services
and
and
our
own
actions
within
the
communities
and
see
where
we
can
start
in
terms
of
implementing
that
and
we'll
have
to
have
an
update
on
that
and
a
future
working
group.
B
J
Mentioned
a
few
times
actually
in
this
meeting,
which
is
really
really
good,
so
the
40th
of
December
exec
border
exact
board
meeting,
we
had
a
report
for
the
West
Yorkshire
mass
transit,
Vision
2040,
which
is
a
document
the
combined
Authority
published
and
our
response
to
the
city
council
went
for
the
statutory
consultation
period,
which
finish
on
the
16th
of
January.
What
we're
actually
going
to
do
now,
I'm
going
to
hand
over
to
Kevin
actually
because
the
command
authority
of
the
sole
promoter
of
the
West
Yorkshire
mass
transit
system
and
as
District
Partners.
J
K
K
E
K
Thanks
very
much,
thank
you,
okay.
So
just
a
this
is
a
background
briefing
really
on
the
current
mass
transit
proposals.
It
builds
largely
on
the
information,
that's
in
the
mass
transit
Vision
2040
document
and
that
we
have
just
concluded
another
round
of
consultation
on
particularly
seeking
statutory
console,
T's
engagement,
so
it
does
draw
from
that
document
and
I'm
hoping
that
there'll
be
some
familiarity
with
him,
colleagues
and
the
the
panel
and
the
committee
on
with
that
document,
and
we
can
talk
about
that
in
some
detail.
K
That
consultation
closing
just
last
week
and
and
we're
now
pulling
together
a
review
of
the
the
responses
we've
received
from
both
statutory
console,
teas
and
public
consulties,
who
are
invited
to
participate
as
well
in
that
second
round
of
consultation.
So
we
will
have
some
specifics,
I'm
sure,
to
feedback
on
from
that
consultation
and
we're
just
pulling
that
together.
K
So
the
the
document
itself
builds
both
documents
in
fact
build
on
a
focus
on
public
goods
or
looking
at
people
and
prosperity
and
and
looking
to
ensure
that
there's
inclusive
aspects
to
the
development
proposals
and
reaching
as
far
and
wide
as
we
can
across
West
Yorkshire,
and
it's
an
evidence-led
approach
and
we're
looking
to
build
that
evidence
base
as
we
move
forward
with
the
development
of
the
proposals
and
the
Visions.
A
key
document
for
us
in
that
sense,
and
we
believe
it's
an
ambitious
plan
for
the
future.
Looking
to
work.
K
Of
course,
there's
still
retained,
use
of
cars
and
vans,
as
is
necessarily
appropriate,
and
it
also
responds
to
the
polycentric
nature
of
West
Yorkshire.
And
so
the
proposal
for
mass
transit,
for
example,
are
designed
around
that
polycentric
nature
and
I'll.
Go
into
that
in
a
little
bit
more
detail
as
it's
described
in
the
mass
transit
vision.
K
It's
another
extract
from
the
document.
This
is
our
map
of
the
potential
mass
transit
corridors
and
there
are
nine
corridors
and
throughout
West
Yorkshire
and
then
Leeds
City
centers
a
location
itself
that
brings
together
a
number
of
those
corridors.
So
it's
a
tenth
element.
That's
talked
about
in
some
detail
in
the
vision
document.
K
This
is
a
specific
example,
and
there
are
each
of
these
for
each
of
the
nine
corridors
and
a
separate
section
for
leads
within
the
mass
transit
Vision
document,
and
it
tries
to
draw
out
some
of
that
initial
evidence
base
and
for
the
need
for
mass
transit
fitting
within
the
context
of
the
the
region
itself.
The
the
city
centers
and
then
also
talks
around
the
potential
modes,
alternatives
for
mass
transit
because
again
at
this
stage-
and
we
don't
specifically
State
what
the
mass
transit
mode
will
be.
K
This
is
perhaps
a
key
document,
a
key
part
of
the
document
for
us,
the
four
key
design
principles
about
the
mass
transit
proposals.
Importantly
people
people
first
and
designing
for
people
of
all
ages
and
abilities,
making
sure
that
the
infrastructure
is
accessible
and
is
Reaching
Across
the
region
to
to
access
and
provide
access
to
that
Integrated,
Network
to
diverse
communities
and
cultures
and
inclusive
and
safe
spaces,
around
potential
stocks
and
other
key
area
and
making
sure
that
the
system
comes
forward
as
affordable
and
accessible
to
all
and
the
second
pillar,
environmental
responsibility.
K
The
third
pillar,
the
better
connected
about
the
integrated
nature
of
the
proposals
trying
to
integrate
mass
transit
and
with
other
public
transport
modes.
So
bus,
active
travel
and
other
modes
as
a
complementary
system
recognizing
it
has
advantages
to
moving
large
capacities
of
people
and
in
busy
corridors,
but
also
recognizing
it.
K
This
is
also
within
the
document
itself,
some
specific
statements
about
the
environmental
responsibility
that
mass
transit
can
bring
its
position
in
looking
as
a
contributory
element
to
the
pathway
to
Net
Zero.
So
importantly,
really
some
of
the
things
we've
touched
on
already
about
the
the
central
point
being
it's
a
sustainable
public
transport
system
is
looking
to
build
on
that
high
capacity
and
support
in
an
integrated
manner.
K
The
Wider
public
transport
Network,
and
it
is
looking
to
enhance
and
work
with
the
local
environment
and
Landscaping
and
place
making
opportunities
seeking
to
consider
biodiversity
and
addressing
and
the
opportunity
to
perhaps
make
accessible
and
and
more
amenable
to
The
Wider
communities.
At
some
of
the
green
spaces
and
open
areas
around
West
structure.
K
K
K
So
this
outlines
some
of
the
key
steps
that
we
are
now
progressing
through
in
the
development
of
the
proposals
to
get
ourselves
to
a
point
where
we
can
start
the
main
construction
activity
by
2028,
which
is
the
current
ambition
and
commitment
in
time
for
the
timeline,
and
in
that
basis,
then
we
would
get
the
first
fees
completed
and
operational
by
the
end
of
2031.
So
there
are
a
number
of
key
steps
to
make
along
the
way
to
that.
K
Importantly,
the
transport
and
works
act
order
submission
in
2025,
and
then
it
is
determination
of
that
by
the
end
of
2026
and
supporting
that
transform
Works
act
harder.
We
are
currently
working
on
some
development
of
the
concept
designs.
We
are
just
about
to
progress
and
the
environmental
support
partner
commission
that
runs
alongside
that
development
and
importantly,
the
business
case
and
stages
of
work
which
are
now
progressing
through
the
Strategic
outline
case,
leading
into
the
outline
business
case.
K
B
G
G
K
Yeah
I
can
try
and
answer
that
actually
I
might
need
to
take
that
away
and
get
a
bit
more
background
on
it,
and
so
the
prioritization
was
done.
Looking
with
Council
District
Partners.
Actually,
what
was
considered
to
be
the
most
viable
and
attractive
routes,
and
so
I
think
that
was
on
a
broad
range
of
aspects
ranging
from
you
know
the
the
potential
high
capacity
routes
where
there
was
areas
of
potential
High
congestion
and
demand
actually
for
a
mass
transit
type
solution.
K
But
equally
I
think
it
was
also
considered
where
there
was
the
the
demand
for
movement
between
some
key
City,
Center
nodes
and
and
Android's
intermediate
point
along
those
routes
as
well,
but
I'd
be
happy
to
take
it
away
and
have
a
look
at
it
in
more
detail
and
because
it
actually
probably
predates
my
involvement
enjoy
joining
the
team.
So
if
that's
helpful
for
now
I'm
happy
to
do
a
bit
more
on
that,
if
that
would
assist
cancer
trustful.
G
That's
something
that
we
would
want
to
get
to
grips
with.
What
we
would
like
to
be
able
I
think
as
elected
members,
to
demonstrate
how
this
prioritization
has
taken
place
because,
as
I
say,
I
dare
say,
it
will
throw
up
some
suggestions
and
some
questions
as
to
whether
we've
got
the
right
priorities
and
I
think
we
need
the
answers
to
the
mechanisms
of
the
process.
Could
I
ask
chair
with
the
original
news?
One
very
quick
single
sentence
answer
is
the
intention
that
this
will
be
a
publicly
run
service.
K
I'll
try
and
respond
to
that
as
well,
so
we
are
looking
at
a
number
of
options
to
how
to
fund
and
finance
the
delivery
of
the
mass
transit
proposals
for
phase
one
and
and
that
will
require
us
to
look
at
a
combination.
I,
like
the
combination
of
large,
essentially
government
funded,
but
also
other,
perhaps,
contributions
that
are
brought
but
I.
Think
that
all
said,
and
we
will
be
looking
at
a
system
that
is
largely
publicly
run.
G
Okay,
thank
you.
Andrew
I
think
it's
a
detailed
debate
for
a
late
today,
but
I
hope
that
all
members
are
on.
The
call
at
the
moment
appreciate
why
I've
asked
the
question
and
because
of
public
ownership
and
control
of
our
public
transport
system.
I
think
is
something
that
we're
all
very
keen
to
see
developed.
B
E
A
couple
just
couple
points
from
me:
I
think
one
I
think
there
are
certain
radial
routes
into
leads
and
around
our
cities
that
nobody
would
argue
benefit.
You
know
the
a64
route
from
seacroft
and
Crossgates
through
in
through
into
deleted.
Center
is
much
used,
and
obviously
you
know
going
around
as
you
go
around
the
city,
there
are
certain
key
routes
which
facilitate
lots
and
lots
of
people
every
single
day
getting
into
our
Marvel
City
Center,
one
area
that
I
get
a
lot
of
feedback
that
does
people
get
frustrated,
doesn't
exist.
E
It's
it's
fine
having
the
spokes
but
having
the
rims
on
the
tire.
So
basically
getting
into
and
out
of
our
city
center
is
very,
very
good
getting
around
from
you
know,
for
example,
you
know
going
going
from
even
from
you
know,
garforth
to
swelling
Center
Rothwell,
not
slightly
parochial,
but
you
know
it
getting
around.
The
edges
is,
is
is
often
problematic
and
I.
E
Think
whatever
we
develop
from
a
mass
transit
system
needs
to
have
supplementary
Solutions
so
that
people
can
kind
of
get
somewhere
quickly,
yeah,
so
you're
not
always
kind
of
having
to
go.
Do
like
a
cheese
wedge.
You're
not
always
wanted
to
come
into
the
center
and
then
cut
a
little
bit.
You
know,
which
might
be
a
almost
20
mile
trip
for
some
people,
whereas
actually,
if
you
could
go
around
it
might
be
a
five
mile
trip,
so
I
think
that's
something
to
bear
in
mind.
E
The
other
thing
is
I
mean
I.
Think
clearly,
you
know.
Mass
transit
transit
systems
for
leads
has
been
an
issue
which
probably
predicts
most
of
us
most
of
us
on
this
car.
So
it's
a
very,
very
difficult
issue.
You
know
and
I
think
we
are
picking
up
on
the
comment
around
sort
of
what
they
were
going
through.
Headingly,
you
know
it's
that's
to
me
is
a
casing
point.
E
It's
got
lots
and
lots
of
historic
buildings
that
you
would
not
want
to
destroy,
and
what
do
you
do
and
the
bit
that
I
think
is
that,
although
we
should
have
should
have
had
you
know,
mass
transit
systems
in
years
and
years
ago,
we
haven't,
for
whatever
reason,
I
do
wonder
whether
the
point
for
the
future
is
rather
than
kind
of
go
down
the
tarmac
route.
We
go
down
the
telematic
route
or
the
concrete
route
we
go
to.
Connections.
E
I,
think
that
if
you
look
at
everything,
that's
happening,
I
wonder
whether
we're
at
a
smartphone
kind
of
point
with
Transit,
where
the
technology
that's
coming
along
means
that
we
could
have
a
technology-led
solution
where
basically
smart,
flexible,
self-driving,
smaller
vehicle,
seating,
20
or
30.
People
can
react
on
demand
transiting
people
around
in
ways
that
you
know
for
technical
food
delivery.
You
know
who
would
have
dropped
up
delivery
20
15
years
ago.
E
That's
a
personally
I
I.
Would
welcome
us
rather
than
going
down
the
traditional.
You
know
we
need
tram
lines.
We
need
more
concrete
for
bus
lanes
looking
at
more
Creative
Solutions,
which
could
facilitate
people
getting
around
in
ways
that
use
you
know
the
5G
networks
and
the
telematics
which
are
pervasive
throughout
Modern
Life.
B
Thank
you
so
two
not
easy
questions
to
answer
there.
One
I
mean
the
the
point
you
you
make
on
traveling
around
the
city
is
something
that
we've
Revisited
many
times
in
in
many
different
meetings
and
and
it
is
a
a
significantly
limiting
factor
and
yeah
future
technology.
Where
are
you
going
with
that?
One
Kevin.
K
Yeah
really
good
question,
so
thank
you,
so
I
think
the
initial
one
about
the
the
radial
Roots.
It's
something
to
take
away
and
consider
I
think
what
we're
looking
at
trying
to
do
is
make
sure
we
get
the
last
Transit
routing
where
there
is
the
the
highest
demand
was
the
case
for
it
and
the
most
viable
routine,
particularly
for
for
for
the
first
phase,
because
I
think
experience
from
many
other
systems
is
trying
to
is
probably
built
around
getting
something
established.
K
That
then
develops
a
basis
for
success
and
further
expansion.
That
seems
to
be
a
common
approach
on
a
number
of
cities
in
the
UK,
so
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
probably
identify
those
roots
within
that
phase,
one
that
are
the
most
attractive,
the
most
viable
for
delivery
in
that
sort
of
timeline
that
we've
set
out
for
23rd
by
the
end
of
2031,
which
actually
is
quite
a
challenging
timeline.
K
I
should
say
also
it
does
seem
quite
some
time
away,
but
to
get
ourselves
through
a
transport
Works
act
or
the
business
case
accepted
and
approved,
and
then
all
the
procurement
in
place
Etc
so
I
do
think.
The
solutioning
right
now
is
probably
focused
around
some
of
those
spoke
type
routes
into
the
center
and
but
I
do
think.
K
Part
of
the
success
that
we
are
trying
to
look
at
from
Mass
Transit
is
about
how
it
integrates
into
the
wider
public
transport,
Network
and
so
truly
making
those
connections
with
active
travel
Provisions
that
might
allow
some
of
that
radial
connection,
or
indeed,
bus
as
well.
That
might
allow
some
of
those-
and
you
know,
feeders,
on
to
a
mass
transit
line
or
lines.
K
It
might
also
be
a
way
of
broadening
the
appeal
broadening
the
catchment
and
but
still
actually
delivering
that
sort
of
Step
change
in
in
public
transport
mode,
but
I
think
all
of
those
things
said
we
should
also
still
be
looking
at.
Actually,
where
does
the
demand
for
mass
transit?
So
there
may
be
routes
that
might
be
of
a
a
radio
or
semi
radial
nature
that
needs
considering.
K
So
it
is
about
trying
to
identify
those
movements
and
that's
what
we're
looking
at
throughout
the
course
of
this
year,
largely
there's
a
a
large
piece
of
modeling
work
and
now
underway.
We've
got
a
large
piece
of
data
collection
ongoing
in
the
spring
and
that
model
build
from.
There
then
takes
us
through
the
most
of
this
year,
and
so
that
transport
model
is
a
key
element
for
us
in
building,
in
that
business
case
outline
business
case
throughout
2024
so
and
I
do
think.
K
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
okay
for
the
first
part
of
that
question,
and
the
second
part
about
technology
is
another
really
interesting
part
again.
What
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
doing
is
is
targeting
a
solution
that
is
deliverable
in
the
time
skills
we're
talked
around,
but
perhaps
as
few
well,
certainly
as
future
proof
to
allow
ourselves
to
not
only
for
that
particular
piece
of
delivery.
K
I
think
we
need
to
make
sure
that
it's
future
proof
that
we
can
adapt
and
move
that
forward.
Perhaps
that's
the
the
key
tip,
maybe
rather
than
trying
to
go
for
something
that
might
not
be
deliverable
in
the
short
term,
but
actually
might
give
ourselves
that
future
flexibility,
as
as
the
system
establishes
itself
within
the
region.
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
helpful,
councilor
Hartford.
E
Yeah,
it
is
I,
mean
I,
guess
we
don't
just
specifically
answer
now,
but
I
think
it's
something
that
I
think
I
I
could
imagine
a
lot
of
companies
out
there
actively
wanting
to
work
with
a
city
like
ours
in
terms
of
pushing
the
boundaries
on
some
of
those
things
so
and
you're
absolutely
right.
You
know
for
every
five
that
you
throw
against
the
wall.
E
The
point
for
me
is
that
a
lot
of
the
technologies
that
are
out
there,
you
know
we've
moved
on
from
the
you
know
from
the
need
of
you
know,
having
kind
of
magnetic
lines
in
the
road
or
from
needing
kind
of
signs
of
reference
points
that
I'd
ask
and
ask,
and
can
can
look
at
Etc
and
we've
moved
to
a
point
where
the
the
software
and
this
and
the
and
the
the
technology
is
now
at
the
point
where
it
can.
You
know
certainly
on
on
key
routes.
It
can.
E
You
know
it
can
sort
of
fathom
its
way
around
and
it
already
has
the
root
maps
and
can
also
kind
of
look
to
you
know
spot
your
pedestrians
and
your
cyclists
and
your
cars,
and
they,
you
know
the
baby,
the
baby
and
the
problem.
That's
rolled
across
the
road
at
the
last
moment,
like
some
kind
of
horror
movie,
so
the
technology
really
is
coming
along,
but
actually
the.
F
Thank
you.
Firstly,
I've
just
I'll
just
say:
I
mean
we're
talking
about
2040
here
that
zero
plus
ten
years
and
basically
this
ain't
gonna,
be
a
Panasonic
fear.
That's
going
to
rescue
us
from
the
situation,
we're
in
now
we're
going
to
have
to
do
something
about
our
existing
transport
system
and
make
sure
make
sure
that
delivers
in
meantime,
but
I'm
encouraged
from
some
of
what
I
hear
regarding
this.
But
I.
One
thing
I
want
to
know
is:
are
we
going
to
use
I'm?
F
Always
we
haven't
got
as
much
redundant
infrastructure
as
we
once
had,
but
the
problem
with
our
last
attempt
at
this
is
it
went
badging
through
an
area
without
the
support,
General
support
of
people
in
area
and
forgot
about
those
areas
where
former
train
lines
were
that
we
might
be
able
to
use
as
for
part
of
the
room
and
how
we
look
in
existing
infrastructure.
I
mean
the
success
of
the
Manchester
tram
is
because
that's
how
they
started
theirs.
They
kept
that
difficulties
difficult
stuff
later
on
the
problem
with
it
was
in
Leeds.
F
F
Wouldn't
let
us
have
the
money,
I
mean
it
would
obvious
from
from
day
one
and
because
what
we're
they
were
asking
us
to
deliver
that
didn't
deliver.
So
are
we
all
right
lines,
we're
doing
it
and
as
I
say
and
I
can
like
Paul
I
can
remember,
it
was
a
shop
called
Nils
Purser,
a
County
Council
for
Bramley
in
1974,
when
the
County
Council
just
found
and
I.
Remember
him
doing
a
present
day,
I
went
in
Bramley,
then
and
I.
F
Remember
him
doing
a
presentation
about
this
rapid
transit
system
that
had
very
much
similar
routes
to
what's
on
on
on
the
on
this
thing,
and
that
was
the
first
time
I
seen
anything
like
that,
and
since
then
we've
done
a
lot
of
talking
about
it.
A
lot
of
fast
font
starts
oh
lot
of
times,
trying
to
put
things
in
places
where
people
didn't
want
them
to
go
and
I
mean.
Are
we
going
to
get
it
right
this
time.
B
K
K
We
hope
for
our
preferred
route
and
we
are
looking
at
the
benefits,
disadvantages
and
benefits
of
each
of
the
routes
as
we're
trying
to
bring
that
information
forward.
So
I
think
it
is
a
key
part
of
the
work
stream.
Now
we
need
to
keep
at
it,
there's
quite
a
lot
to
get
through
and
what
we
need
to
arrive
at
I.
K
We
are
going
to
be
seeking
a
very
significant
contribution
of
the
funding
from
central
government,
so
it
will
be
the
department
and
treasury
will
need
to
look
at
that
and
we'll
need
to
be
able
to
present
the
best
case
we
can
and
particularly
for
that
phase.
One
roots
in
the
in
the
initial
phasing,
so
yeah
I
think
there's
a
lot
to
be
done.
There
lots
of
pressures
on
on
money
and
funding
being
available,
we're
aware
of
that.
K
B
G
Is
a
new
question
chair
whenever
we've
talked
about
strategic
transport
proposals
of
this
type,
we've
always
talked
about
having
an
integrated
transport
system,
which
you
know
is
a
bit
like
religion.
It
means
different
things
to
different
people,
but
I
just
wonder.
Obviously,
the
goal
is
to
ensure
that
all
forms
of
public
transport,
whether
it's
new
mass
transit
buses
and
rail,
actually
complement
each
other
and
work
together
rather
than
a
disaggregated
and
in
competition.
And
how
far
is
that
factored
into
the
the
process
of
developing
the
the
mass
transit
schemes?
G
Andrew?
Because
you
know
we've
tried
and
failed
in
the
past
because
of
different
funding
mechanisms,
different
structures,
you
know
different
formats
and
I-
touched
upon
the
need
for
integration
of
public
transport
organization
previously.
So,
but
how
far
is
integrating
these
systems
so
that
you
know
if
I
live
two
miles
away
from
a
route
I
can
get
on
a
bus
that
will
take
me
if
possible,
to
the
nearest
place
where
I
can
get
on
the
the
mass
transit
vehicle.
Whatever
format
it
might
be,.
K
K
You
know
heavy
rail
at
stations
and
how
we
get
that
then
sort
of
accessibility,
but
equally
I
think
with
the
bus
Network.
That's
a
real
key
for
us
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
work
for
us
to
do
there
yet,
but
I
do
think
what
we
should
be
aiming
at
is
a
a
a
joined,
an
integrated
public
transport
Solution,
that's
built
around
the
mass
transit
and
bus
Network.
K
I
think
key
to
some
of
that
is,
is
about
the
facilities
that
are
there
each
of
the
the
mass
transit
stops
and
and
how
we
make
sure,
there's
complementary
infrastructure
for
for
those
sorts
of
systems
so
and
and
not
competing
systems,
but
I
also
think
as
well.
Things
that
simple
fit
well
relatively
simple
things
like
ticketing
and
and
and
and
that
joined
up
approach
to
a
canoeing
solution
is
another
key
area
for
us
and
that
we
want
to
look
at.
K
B
Sorry,
I'm
not
pressing
the
wrong
button
again.
I
I
was
just
about
to
say,
I
think
they're,
hugely
hugely
important
questions.
You
know,
but
both
it
being
really
integrated
in
terms
of
people's
whole
journey,
but
also
yes,
the
ticketing.
You
know
that
that
has
to
be
right.
Doesn't
it
it
has
to
be.
We
talked
about
affordability,
but
it
has
to
be
easy
as
well,
for
people
to
be
able
to
to
navigate
through
through
the
system
and
and-
and
you
know,
have
a
good
experience.
E
B
Okay,
so
can
I
thank
you
for
for
that
Sabi
and
Kevin
I
think
that's
something
it's
a
huge
huge
thing:
isn't
it
for,
for
our
area,
I
mean
the
comments
I
would
want
to
make.
Just
before
we
finish
are
one
you
mentioned
infrastructure
and
I.
Guess
it
kind
of
fits
in
with
the
comments
we've
had
about
using
new
technologies
and
the
need
for
for
it
to
be
resilient
to
climate
change,
that
that
would
be
something
that
I
think
is
really
really
important.
B
You
know
we've
already
seen
temperature
rises
that
have
caused
chaos
to
our
Transport
Systems,
and
we're
only
going
to
see
more
of
that.
So
you
know
I
think
that's
something
that
really
needs
to
be
important,
and
the
other
thing
I
would
ask
about.
Is
you've
said
that
there
there
wasn't
yet
any
decision
on
the
the
actual
kind
of
mode
of
Transport
that
that's
due
to
be
determined
and
I.
Think
this
committee
would
want
to
see
carbon
being
a
a
big
factor
in
the
decision
of
of
what
exactly
is
taken
forwards.
B
K
Thank
you
very
much.
Yeah
absolutely
I
mean
I.
Think
what
we're
about
to
award
is
our
environmental
support,
contract
that
supports
the
development
and
part
of
the
the
work
there
we'll
look
at
the
environmental
potential,
environmental
impacts
and
mitigations
from
the
development
of
the
mass
transit
system.
K
It
will
equally
consider
a
carbon
impact
and,
and
look
at
that
also
importantly,
I-
guess
as
a
starting
point
from
a
fair
Lanes
of
a
sustainable
transport
solution,
and
so
we,
we
do
have
a
number
of
work
streams
that
we're
about
to
embark
on
across
the
course
of
this
year.
That
I
think
will
give
us
some
of
that
information,
that's
necessary
and
to
make
sure
we
can
make
informed
decisions
collectively.
K
So
we
haven't
got
that
yet,
but
we
want
to
get
on
and
prepare
that
so
I
do
think
particularly
perking
up
on
your
your
thoughts
about
you
know
the
considering
carbon
as
a
factor
for
the
decision
making
absolutely
agree
with
that,
and
also
the
resilient
solution
for
climate
change
too.
So
I
think
those
two
factors
I'd
probably
like
to
just.
We
will
aim
to
address
some
of
that
through
the
developing
work
streams.
K
B
H
Hi
yeah
just
to
go
back
an
hour
before
we
go
the
gentleman
who
talked
about
the
development
with
the
proposed
shop
that
then
didn't
turn
into
the
shop
I.
Don't
know
whether
I
nipped
to
the
bathroom
or
something
but
I
was
a
bit
unclear
if
there
was
any
further
comment
or
or
action
on
on
that
and
and
if
not
perhaps
we
can
carry
on
as
a
as
a
as
a
case
separate
to
this
meeting.
B
H
B
Okay,
so
actions
from
that
item,
then
Kevin
you
were
going
to
just
prepare
us,
some
more
detailed
information
on
the
roots
and
how
they
were
determined
and
thank
you
for
offering
to
come
back.
I
think.
Certainly
our
infrastructure
working
group
would
be
very
keen
on
keeping
a
close
eye
on
this
and
I
think
it
will
be
good
to
have
you
back
at
a
main
seaac
meeting
in
the
future
too.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
B
Okay
right,
so
in
that
case,
it
just
Falls
to
me
to
declare
that
our
next
meeting
is
on
Monday,
the
20th
of
March
one
o'clock.
Thank
you
all
for
your
attendance
and
contributions
very
much
appreciated.
Thank
you,
Rachel.
Thank
you
for
looking
after
us
and
I
will
declare
the
meeting
closed.
Thank
you
thanks.