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A
Okay,
so
meeting
is
currently
being
live,
streamed
and
we're
good
to
go
I'm
going
to
start
by
asking
people
into
to
introduce
themselves
and
what
we
will
do,
as
we
usually
do,
is
we'll
go
round
once
introducing
the
members
of
the
committee
and
then
we'll
introduce
officers.
So
I'll
start
with
myself.
My
name
is
Katie
dye,
I'm
counselor
for
killing
Beck
and
seacroft
Ward
and
I
chair
this
committee.
C
Hi
everybody
councilor
David
Jenkins
from
coming
back
in
secret
Ward
substituting
for
councilor
Tudor.
D
G
J
Good
afternoon
my
name's
councilor
Ed
Carlisle
for
hunsets
and
Riverside
Ward.
A
K
Afternoon,
I'm
Hugh
and
Chimera
a
transport
planner
in
the
ITB
team
as
well.
R
Hi
everyone
head
of
decarbonization
and
plant
maintenance
on
the
police
team.
A
Thank
you
so
soon
as
it's
the
first
meeting
of
the
year
and
we've
got
some
new
members,
I
thought
I'd
just
start
with
a
few
brief
comments
and
the
first
one
that
I
wanted
to
say
is
you're
all
very,
very
welcome
to
join
this
committee
and
whether
you're
a
new
member
or
whether
you've
been
here
before
I
hope
you
find
it
very
rewarding,
and
the
purpose
of
this
committee
is
and
I'm
quoting
to
consider
and
make
recommendations
regarding
climate
change
and
sustainability.
So
with
that
in
mind,
I
do
welcome
you.
Contributions.
A
I
would
really
like
to
hear
questions
as
we
go
through
the
substantive
items.
You're
encouraged
to
do
so.
If
you
just
raise
your
hand,
I
will
bring
you
in
at
an
appropriate
moment.
However,
it's
questions
I
encourage
and
not
lengthy
statements.
So,
if
you
can
bear
that
in
mind,
please
at
every
point
in
the
cycle
of
meetings,
I
will
assume
that
you've
read
the
papers,
so
we
won't
expect
officers
to
go
through
and
and
make
points
about
anything
that
you've
been
sent
as
a
pre-read.
A
We
have
three
hours
allocated
for
each
meeting.
We
won't
always
use
that,
but
I
think
if
it's
in
the
calendar
it
it
means
that
it's
there
should
we
need
it.
A
If
we
don't
use
it,
then
you
get
to
go
away
a
little
bit
early
and
if
it's
looking
like
we'll
run
over,
then
I
will
do
my
best
to
kind
of
move
the
discussion
on
and
then
the
last
thing
I
just
wanted
to
mention
is
when
you
finish
speaking:
if
you
turn
your
mic
off,
that'll,
hopefully
stop
the
echoing
that
we
can
be
prone
to
so.
With
that
in
mind,
welcome
to
the
first
meeting
of
the
year
and
we'll
go
on
to
the
agenda
and
Cassie.
O
A
A
Okay,
we
can
move
on
then
so
over
to
Cassie,
for
apologies.
O
Councilor
Newton
sent
his
apologies
ahead
of
the
meeting
and
Council
tutor
has
also
been
unable
to
attend.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
and
I
want
to
thank
councilor
Jenkins
for
stepping
in
in
place
of
councilor
Tudor.
So
we
do
appreciate
that.
Okay.
So
if
we
turn
to
the
minutes,
then
what
I
tend
to
do
with
the
minutes
is
go
through
each
page
and
give
you
a
chance
to
comment
or
raise
any
issues
on
each
page,
so
they
should
all
be
numbered
in
your
pack
and
they
start
with
number
five.
So
any
comments
or
questions
on
page
five,
foreign.
A
C
Yeah
I'm
not
sure,
can
I
item
18
is
that
on
Page
Six
I,
don't
know
what
which
page
five.
A
I
haven't
received
a
response.
I
know
a
letter
was
written
to
them,
but
I
personally
haven't
had
any
response
back
from
them.
Yet
I
was
going
to
go
on
to
Rachel
for
updates
on
item
19.
So
if
you
wanted
to
briefly,
let
us
know
Rachel
if
we've
had
any
correspondence
to
the
open
forum,
commitments
and
geisley
primary
school,
but
if
you
also
have
had
anything
from
sport
England
you
can.
Let
us
know
that
too.
Thank
you.
P
Thank
you,
chair,
similar
to
yourself.
We've
not
had
any
correspondence
received
back
from
Sports
England
following
the
letter
that
we
sent
in
terms
of
the
update
on
the
open
Forum.
From
the
last
meeting
we
contacted,
we
send
correspondence
to
both
the
commitment
and
guys
at
primary
school
and
stay
acknowledging
their
contributions
to
open
forum
and
just
as
a
reminder
to
those
in
attendance,
and
we
confirmed
that
we
wanted
to
arrange
for
the
commitment
to
attend.
P
Community
committees
is
appropriate
and
we're
looking
to
arrange
that
to
happen
in
the
new
Municipal
year,
and
we
also
contacted
geyser
Primary
School
to
thank
them
for
asking
for
schools
to
receive
support
in
terms
of
wildflower
seeds
and
we'll
be
asking
World
members
to
contact
individual
primary
schools
and
support
with
that
initiative
as
well.
A
A
Yeah
we
we
will
do
if
you
could
just
make
a
note
of
that
Rachel.
We
definitely
should
do
that.
Thank
you
and
just
picking
upon
the
issue
for
new
members
in
terms
of
the
the
guisley
primary
school,
it
was
an
appeal
really
for
seeds
for
planting
wildflower
seeds,
so
any
new
members
have
encouraged
as
well
to
get
in
touch
with
local
primary
schools
in
their
Ward
and
and
perhaps
use
mice
money
to
support
that
I.
Think
that's
a
really
good
idea.
Councilor
Carlisle.
J
A
Thank
you,
okay.
Okay,
before
we
get
sidetracked
at
page
seven
any
comments
on
page
seven,
Jenkins.
C
That's
probably
page
six
actually
so
on
item
twenty,
because
I,
don't
I
won't
come
to
these
meetings.
Very
often,
I
just
wanted
to
raise
the
the
proposal
for
proposed
feasibility
study
for
a
community
Greenhouse
in
birmingham's
fund
filled
by
the
by
the
roof
and
whether
you
could
just
place
it
on
the
agenda
and
make
sure
that
we
follow
it
through.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
raising
that
I'm
pleased
to
tell
you
it
is
on
the
working
groups
agenda
for
this
year,
so
we
will
be
looking
at
that.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Anybody
else
on
page
seven.
A
A
A
A
Okay,
well
I
just
wanted
to
raise
two
quick
things
on
page
13
again,
particularly
for
for
new
members
of
the
committee
that
in
the
second
paragraph,
one
of
the
things
that
we
discussed
was
the
support
from
the
communications
team.
With
the
youth
summits.
A
I
know
they
attended
the
inner
East
and
another
one
or
two
I,
think
and
I
think
it
would
be
really
good
for
you
to
encourage
that
in
terms
of
Youth
Summits,
that
any
of
you
might
be
involved
in
planning
over
the
next
year,
because
I
know
that
the
team
is
really
happy
to
come
and
it
was
really
successful
when
they
came
to
the
the
inner
East
one.
A
It
was
something
that
went
down
really
well
with
young
people,
so
I
would
encourage
you
to
to
raise
that
in
community
committees
and
then
the
other
one
was
about
the
carbon
literacy
across
the
council
and
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
we're
keen
to
do
as
well
was
to
roll
that
out
among
elected
members.
So
I
think
that
is
is
something
again
that
as
a
committee,
we
should
be
pushing
for
okay.
A
A
The
contents
must
be
related
to
climate
change.
The
time
limit
for
each
contribution
is
five
minutes,
and
then
the
contributor
will
have
a
response
as
you've
heard
from
Rachel,
which
will
be
followed
up
after
the
meeting.
So
we
have
three
attendees
today
and
the
first
I
do
believe
is
Suzanne
harborne.
Is
that
correct?
A
S
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
this
time
to
speak
with
you
today.
This
is
a
valuable
opportunity
for
me
to
try
and
express
my
concerns
with
some
of
the
policies
around
the
climate,
emergency
and
What.
That
may
ultimately
mean
for
leads
and
the
people
who
call
it
home
the
amount
of
information
available
in
relation
to
Net
Zero,
the
climate
emergency
and
the
plan
to
make
leads
carbon
neutral
by
2030,
which
is
just
six
and
a
half
years
away,
is
enormous.
S
It
must
be
incredibly
hard
for
decision
makers
to
understand,
interpret
and
draw
conclusions
from
such
a
vast
subject
base.
Furthermore,
the
people
of
what's
happened
there.
Furthermore,
the
people
of
Leeds
expect
the
council
to
act
in
their
best
interest,
with
due
consideration
given
to
the
impact
of
any
policies
rolled
out.
Of
course,
it
is
a
given
that
all
decisions
are
made
with
public
consultation
and
without
bias
or
predetermination
difficult
to
do.
I
am
sure,
with
such
an
emotive
issue
of
climate
change.
But
what
if
there
is
another
side
to
this
climate
change
story?
S
S
S
S
S
As
of
last
month,
there
were
1551
signatories
to
the
world
climate
declaration.
These
are
scientists
from
around
the
world
who
are
casting
doubt
on
the
very
existence
of
an
emergency.
The
world
climate
declaration
States.
Clearly
that
climate
change
is
a
fact,
but
not
a
crisis
and
climate
policy
should
focus
on
adaptation
is
leads
focusing
enough
on
adaptation
for
the
sake
of
balance
and
to
ensure
there
is
no
advisory
bias.
Surely
it
would
be
pertinent
to
consider
the
views
of
these
scientists.
S
The
leads
class,
the
Leeds
climate
commission
website
states
that
Net
Zero
carbon
roadmap
for
leads
shows
how
the
city
can
achieve
its
ambition
of
net
zero
emissions
by
2030,
with
many
positive
benefits
for
health,
equality,
travel,
housing
and
the
environment.
My
question
to
you
today:
how
can
you
be
sure
about
this
final
statement?
S
What
if
the
policies
being
pursued,
would
impoverish
local
people
and
bring
our
local
economy
to
its
knees
rather
than
improve
it?
Let's
be
clear,
I'm
not
denying
that
changes
can
be
made
to
improve
a
local
area.
After
all,
if
people
took
care
of
their
own
patch,
we'd
all
live
in
a
much
more
pleasant
environment,
I
think
Community,
Orchards
and
herb
gardens
this
weekend
in
Leeds,
and
it's
all
really
good
stuff
and
I
really
love
the
fact
you're
sending
seeds
to
the
children
at
school.
S
S
S
For
what
purpose,
if
Leeds
is
truly
serious
about
its
stewardship
of
the
small
patch
of
Earth,
it
occupies
why
the
need
for
all
this
type
of
infrastructure,
combined
with
the
recent
National
consultations
on
digital
ID
and
the
digital
pound
use
of
carbon
calculators
in
banking,
as
well
as
the
vast
sums
of
wealth
being
created
in
the
name
of
Net
Zero.
Do
you
really
think
that
this
is
all
about
saving
the
planet?
S
A
T
A
L
Okay,
thank
you
yeah,
so
I've
arrived
at
this
meeting
today.
That
excuse
me
as
a
result
of
attending
the
inner
East
Community
committee
meeting
in
March,
where
councilor
Katie
that
I
spoke
about
this
group
and
said
she
welcomed
involvement
from
the
public,
otherwise
I
wouldn't
have
known
of
its
existence.
So
thank
you.
Counselor
die
for
informing
me
about
this
so
little
time
so
I'll
press
on
and
I
will
share.
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
per
year,
no
private
Vehicles
by
2030,
and
only
one
shot
I'll
fly
every
three
years
per
person
by
2030..
Now
this
report
was
in
collaboration
between
Arab,
Leeds,
University
and
C40.
It's
notable
that
Sadiq
Khan
is
churn
of
C40.
Perhaps
this
would
explain
his
determination
to
expand
the
eulers
in
London.
L
L
What
assurances
can
you
give
me
today
and
how
can
I
remain
involved
to
ensure
the
council
do
not
accidentally
end
up
impoverishing
the
very
people
it
is
here
to
serve
so
I'd
like
you
to
consider
whether
there's
a
bias
given
to
the
emotiveness
of
this
subject?
Will
you
work
with
the
people
with
people
like
me
to
ensure
that
all
sides
of
the
climate
argument
are
heard
and
considered?
A
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
taking
time
to
attend
and
talk
to
us
today.
Trudy,
your
views
have
also
been
noted
and
we
will
make
sure
you
receive
a
written
response
in
due
course.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
V
X
V
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
Rachel.
So
that's
our
three
open
Forum
messages.
Thank
you
for
people
who
attended
in
person
and
for
the
video
all
your
contributions
have
been
noted.
So
thank
you
very
much,
okay,
so
that
moves
us
on.
Oh
just
before
we
do
move
on
just
again
for
for
new
members.
If
you
do
have
anybody
that
you
know
who
thinks
they'd
like
to
come
and
address
open
for,
and
we
have
had
attendees
who've
come
on
invitation
from
members
of
the
committee
and
they're
very
welcome
to
do
so.
A
So
please
spread
that
message.
Okay,
so
that
moves
us
on
to
item
eight
corporate
travel
plan.
I
know
we
have
Rachel
with
us.
Are
you
going
to
present
and
do
we
possibly
have
Jillian
online
somewhere
as
well
lurking
in
cyberspace,
to
join.
U
T
T
Q
We're
here
to
talk
about
the
corporate
travel
plan
for
Leeds
City
Council.
Q
So
just
an
overview
of
what
we're
going
to
talk
about
and
give
you
a
bit
of
background
to
the
corporate
travel
plan,
the
existing
plan
and
the
progress
and
achievements
that
have
been
made
to
date
and
more
up
until
pre-pandemic
2020
and
then
look
at
where
we
are
now
and
discuss
why
we
need
a
refresh
of
the
corporate
travel
plan.
What
the
key
challenges
are:
we've
got
six
key
challenges
and
then
look
at
the
proposals
for
an
updated
corporate
travel
plan
from
2023
to
2030
and
outlining
what
the
proposed
aims.
Q
Q
So
lead
city
council
have
had
a
corporate
travel
plan
since
2005
and
the
latest
version
which
we've
been
working
to
was
published
in
2014,
but
that's
obviously
now
out
of
date
and
due
for
an
update
and
the
preparation
of
the
corporate
travel
plan
and
delivery
of
the
plan
sits
within
our
team
influence
and
travel
Behavior
team
within
highways
and
transportation.
But
a
key
thing
to
note
is
that
it's
a
council-wide
plan
and
it's
not
just
for
that
directorate.
Q
Really
good
progress
was
made
up
until
the
pandemic
and
we
can
go
over.
Some
of
the
achievements
of
that
and
the
corporate
travel
plan
covers
staff
travel
to
work
so
commuting
and
staff
travel
for
work.
So
business
travel
Journeys
made
during
the
course
of
the
Working
Day
the
2014
corporate
travel
plan.
Q
Work
streams
focused
on
business
travel
efficiencies
that
was
looking
at
our
own
fleet
vehicles
owned
by
the
council
and
the
gray
fleets,
that's
privately
owned
vehicles
that
staff
are
driving
for
work,
changing
the
workplace
and
that
focused
on
flexible
and
remote
working
and
that's
obviously
seen
unprecedented
change
since
the
pandemic.
But
Leeds
city
council
were
promoting
flexible
and
remote
working
prior
to
the
pandemic
and
implementing
that
in
several
Office
Buildings.
Q
So
looking
at
progress
to
2020,
if
we
look
first
at
the
staff
commute,
we've
been
conducting
travel
to
work
surveys
and
in
across
leads
not
just
of
council
staff
but
other
organizations
as
well
and
for
quite
some
time.
We've
got
data
here,
going
back
to
2016.,
so
staff
usually
commuting
as
a
single
occupant
of
a
vehicle
alone.
Driver
fell
from
just
over
half
51
in
2014
down
to
43
by
2019..
This
obviously
further
reduced
to
30
during
the
pandemic
and
we're
now
at
around
36
and
a
half
percent
in
2022.
Q
However,
this
includes
the
proportion
of
people
now
working
from
home
and
when
you
look
at
those
commuting,
we
do
still
have
49
of
Staff
driving
by
themselves.
So
there's
still
some
work
to
be
done
or
opportunity
for
improving
that
figure,
and
there
are
also
some
significant
differences
between
staff
who
are
based
in
city
center
locations
and
and
those
based
out
of
the
center
of
leads.
Q
The
corporate
travel
plan
can
influence
staffs
commuting
mode
choice
and
therefore
emissions
from
commuting,
and
we
have
less
control
over
this
than
Council
owned
fleet
vehicles
things.
Q
So
this
is
a
summary
of
progress
made
today
in
terms
of
the
measures
that
have
already
been
delivered
and
some
of
the
achievements
and-
and
although
some
of
these
are
focused
on
business
travel
and
some
are
focused
on
the
commute,
they
obviously
work
together
in
Synergy
and
and
help
staff
make
sustainable
travel
choices
to
and
for
work.
So,
just
a
few
highlights,
we
were
awarded
a
walk,
friendly,
workplace,
creditation,
2018,
a
bike
friendly
business
accreditation
for
some
of
our
buildings
silver
and
for
Marion,
an
Enterprise
house
and
St
George's
house
in
2018..
Q
Q
We've
got
various
initiatives,
including
a
pool
corporate
M
card
scheme
and
where
the
council
can
purchase
travel
cards
at
a
significant
discount
and
from
Metro,
and
we
make
these
available
at
buildings,
so
people
can
use
them
to
travel
during
the
day
and
they
don't
need
their
own
private
car
at
work.
To
do
that,
we've
introduced
Paul,
ebike
scheme
and
cycle
repair
stations
have
been
installed
a
few
buildings
and
from
our
Fleet
we've
got
over
1200
vehicles
and
around
a
third
of
those
are
now
hybrid
or
electric.
Q
We've
got
full
vehicle
telematics
being
rolled
out
and
they're
in
about
a
third
of
vehicles
to
date
and
the
cycle
to
work
scheme
which
enables
staff
to
purchase
bikes,
essentially
tax,
free
and
and
make
a
significant
saving
on
cycling
equipment
as
well
as
bicycles,
is
really
successful,
and
we
have
about
211
bikes
purchased
per
year
through
that
scheme
and
as
it's
a
salary
sacrifice
scheme
that
incurs
are
45,
000,
National,
Insurance
saving
to
the
council
per
year.
Q
So
moving
on,
why
do
we
need
to
review
and
refresh
the
corporate
travel
plan?
And
we've
highlighted
here?
We
need
to
have
an
ambitious
vision
for
our
corporate
travel
plan
and,
as
Leeds
declared
a
climate
emergency
in
2019.
We
need
ambitious
aims,
objectives
and
targets
for
the
step
change
needed
to
meet
the
Ambitions
of
other
key
strategies
which
we'll
have
a
look
at
in
a
minute,
and
the
current
travel
plan
is
now
out
of
date.
We've
seen
unprecedented
change
to
how
people
work
and
travel
post
pandemic.
Q
Q
Excuse
me
meeting
our
own
standards
and
that
we
expect
of
organizations
and
leads
as
a
team.
We
secure
travel
plans
through
the
planning
process
and
we
work
with
organizations
across
leads
workplaces,
schools,
health
and
venues
to
implement
their
own
travel
plans,
and
so
we
need
to
be
leading
by
example,
and
also
to
be
an
employer
of
choice,
and
the
corporate
travel
plan
helps
us
support
our
colleagues
with
the
cost
of
living
crisis
and
their
health
and
well-being.
Traveling,
actively
and
sustainably
in
affordable
ways.
Q
So,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
text
on
these
slides.
This
is
talking
about
where
we
are
now.
What
are
the
key
challenges?
I've
mentioned
travel
to
work,
habits
of
seeing
them
in
precedented
change.
We
need
to
better
understand
what
these
current
travel
plan.
Q
What
these
current
travel
and
work
practices
now
are
and
make
sure
that
we've
got
the
right
measures
in
place
to
support
staff
and
for
hybrids
working,
which
will
have
implications
for
the
councils
estate
and
Facilities
Management,
and
we
want
to
continue
to
extend
the
offer
of
measures
available
to
staff
and
so
that
they
can
make
those
healthy
and
sustainable
travel
choices
in
terms
of
the
gray
Fleet.
So
this
is
Vehicles
privately
owned
by
staff,
but
driven
for
work.
Q
In
the
last
two
years,
in
the
last
two
years,
the
councilor
spent
over
three
million
pounds
on
reimbursing
gray
Fleet
mileage.
Although
staff
mileage
traveled
remains
below
pre-pandemic
levels,
it
is
beginning
to
increase
again
and
looking
at
the
data.
High
mileage
is
concentrated
in
particular
directorates
and
service
areas.
It's
not
evenly
spread
across
the
council.
Q
In
2021,
there
was
3.187
Million,
Miles
claims
and
that's
gone
up
in
2022
to
3.56
million
miles
claimed
and
and
then
also,
the
councils
recently
adopted
a
vision,
zero
strategy,
and
so
the
corporate
travel
plan
will
help
us
realize
this
strategy
and
Implement
some
of
its
measures,
and
the
aim
of
that
strategy
is
to
have
zero
Road
deaths
so
to
align
the
corporate
travel
plan
with
a
vision,
zero
strategy
would
have
would
be
to
have
zero
staff
killed
or
seriously
injured
when
traveling
for
work
and
ideally
to
and
from
work
too.
Q
I
think
just
to
know
well
saying
all
this:
we
do
acknowledge
that
for
some
roles,
some
Journeys
are
essential.
The
corporate
travel
plan
aims
to
ensure
that
all
Journeys
are
undertaken
by
the
most
sustainable
mode
and
the
corporate
travel
plan
will
influence
business
travel
mode
Choice
with
a
travel
mode
hierarchy,
decision
tree
and
a
review.
A
review
of
essential
car
user
policies.
Q
In
terms
of
council
fleets,
as
I
mentioned,
we've
got
1200
vehicles
with
a
variety
of
functions.
The
council
have
been
a
leader
in
adopting
electric
vehicles
and
we've
got
one
of
the
largest
e
fleets
in
the
country
around
a
quarter
of
the
fleet
of
fully
electric
and
the
target
is
to
only
purchase
low
emission
Vehicles
by
2025..
However,
the
majority
of
these
vehicles
don't
have
tracking
technology
in
them.
Yet
implementing
telematics
will
allow
us
to
monitor
the
uses
of
usage
of
vehicles
and
make
sure
they're
fully
utilized
and
to
their
maximum
potential
fleet
vehicles.
Q
Q
in
terms
of
sustainable
business
travel
options
all
Council
sites.
We
want
to
meet
our
own
standards
and
policy
and
of
those
that
we
expect
of
developers
and
organizations
coming
through
the
planning
process,
and
this
means
upgrading
facilities
and
at
buildings
over
and
above
a
threshold
which
is
yet
to
be
agreed,
and
but
that's
the
proposal
we
want
to
adopt
and
rigorously
apply
a
sustainable
travel
hierarchy
that
ensures
all
staff
consider
this
decision
tree
when
traveling
for
work
purposes.
Q
Starting
with
do
they
need
to
make
the
journey
at
all
and
then
driving
on
your
own
in
a
privately
owned
car
or
van
should
be
the
last
resort.
Q
And
a
question
for
the
committee
is:
should
members
terms
and
conditions
mirror
this
policy
officers
regarding
travel,
tour
of
our
work,
so
I
think
there's
a
number
of
questions
and
being
asked
of
the
committee
throughout
the
slides,
which
we
can
perhaps
come
back
to
and
then
in
terms
of
car
park
management,
and
we
want
to
ensure
that
parking
available
at
Council
sites
is
made
available
to
staff
on
a
needs
basis.
Q
So,
moving
on
to
the
proposed
ambitious
aims,
objectives
and
targets
and
we'd
like
to
seek
members
of
this
committee's
views
on
these
Ambitions
and
targets.
Q
And
so
what
we're
proposing
is
an
aim
that
mirrors
the
Leeds
transport
strategy
for
staff
to
be
an
employer
where
every
role
can
be
carried
out
effectively
without
staff
needing
to
travel
in
their
own
car
or
around.
And
that
would
mean
for
all
journey
is
undertaken
by
leaders
to
council
employees.
We
will
reduce
the
need
to
travel,
encourage
and
facilitate
safe,
healthy
and
sustainable
travel,
thereby
improving
staff
and
health
well-being
and
minimizing
any
negative
travel
impacts,
including
environmental
congestion
and
Road
Danger,
and
then
Translating
that
into
objectives
and
targets.
Q
It
would
mean
reducing
or
removing
the
need
to
travel
through
the
use
of
technology
and
digital
digital
Communications.
Enhanced
travel
mode
Choice
through
infrastructure,
information
and
incentives,
reduce
the
manage
of
business
related
trips
undertaken
in
fossil
fuel
powered
vehicles
and
support.
The
council's
commitment
to
making
leads
carbon
neutral
by
2030
and
we've
got
some
proposed
targets
which
have
purposefully
got
some
x's
left
in
there,
because
the
figures
are
yet
to
be
decided
and
but
at
the
moment
we
would
envisage
having
targets
around
reducing
single
occupants
of
vehicle
travel
to
and
from
work
zero
staff.
Q
Road
deaths
are
seriously
injured
by
2040
aligned
with
the
vision,
zero
strategy,
work
towards
making
leads
carbon
neutral
by
2030
and
reduce
business
travel
in
privately
owned
vehicles
to
X,
Thousand
Miles,
and
then
the
Target
that
we
mentioned
previously.
Reducing
CO2
emissions
from
fleets
by
2025.
Q
And
this
slide
highlights
the
alignment
with
existing
Council
policies
and
strategies.
Q
The
question
for
the
committee
is:
are
there
any
strategies
and
policies
that
we've
missed?
We
think
we've
captured
them
all
and
those
that
feed
into
the
corporate
travel
plan
and
the
corporate
travel
plan
needs
to
be
aware
and
aligned
with.
Q
Foreign,
so
these
are
the
proposed
six
key
work
streams
that
meet
those
six
key
challenging
areas,
and
the
key
points
to
make
here
is
that
successful
implementation
of
the
corporate
travel
plan
will
require
a
cross-directorate
adoption,
support
and
delivery.
It's
definitely
not
something
that
highways
and
transportation
can
do
in
isolation.
Q
And
again,
the
question
is:
should
member
travel
be
included,
Within
These,
key
work
streams,
so
the
work
streams
we're
proposing
are
the
staff
commute
Fleet
owned
fleets,
so
Council
owned,
Vehicles,
sustainable
business
travel
provision
at
Council,
Sites,
Car,
Park
management,
the
vision,
zero,
reducing
Road
danger
and
grayfully?
It's
a
staff-owned
vehicles
and
mileage.
T
Q
And
then,
finally,
this
just
outlines
the
next
steps
for
the
corporate
travel
plan,
so
we're
proposing
we're
obviously
here
for
early
engagement
with
the
MCAT
committee,
early
June,
internal
consultation
with
cross-council
officer
working
group
and
present
the
draft
corporate
travel
plan,
including
the
action
plan
to
see
out
working
group
and
other
boards
staff
Union
member
consultation.
And
then
the
proposals
to
have
it
adopted
by
the
end
of
December
this
year,
roles
and
responsibilities
and
governance
for
the
corporate
travel
plan
are
to
be
confirmed.
Q
But
to
emphasize
again
it
won't
be
successful
unless
we've
got
full
Council,
buy-in
and
Senior
officer
support.
So
we're
requesting
of
this
committee
that
they
support
delivery
of
the
corporate
travel
plan
with
a
cross-council
approach
and
by
engaging
directors
to
ensure
buy-in
and
then
finally
funding
a
budget.
An
ambitious
corporate
travel
plan
will
need
adequate
resourcing
and
salary
sacrifice.
Measures
already
generate
National
Insurance
savings,
so
the
cycle
to
work
scheme
in
particular,
which
could
be
ring
fenced
as
a
budget
for
the
corporate
travel
plan.
M
A
A
The
suggestion
that
every
role
should
be
one
that
where
a
car
isn't
necessary,
do
we
think
there
are
any
strategies
and
policies
missed,
should
elected
members,
travel
be
included
with
key,
prompts
I,
think
we're
asked
to,
but
please
feel
free
to
to
raise
any
other
questions
that
you
have.
The
first
person
I've
got
wanting
to
come
in
I'll
just
drop.
My
list
down
on
here
is
counselor
Downs.
K
Thank
you
chair,
and
thank
you
for
that.
A
few
questions
I'd
like
to
just
raise
at
the
very
beginning
of
your
slides,
you
had
sort
of
modal
changes
and
how
people
were
traveling
to
work
etc.
K
Do
you
have
the
data,
or
would
it
be
useful
to
collect
data
in
future
on
modal
shift
to
find
out
how
people
are
transferring
from
one
mode
to
another?
If
there's
one
particular
successful
change
or
one
change
that
you
know,
changes
aren't
being
made,
so
you
can
see
where
those
changes
are
coming
from,
whether
it's
people
that
are
giving
up
a
car
to
walk,
for
example,
or
whether
it's
people
that
perhaps
have
been
on
a
bus
and
the
buses
are
so
unreliable.
K
K
It
would
be
interesting,
I
think,
to
look
at
the
age
demographics
of
that,
because
we're
in
a
changing
society
and
as
people
get
older,
they
change
their
cons,
their
their
sort
of
concept
of
the
world
and
how
they're
traveling-
and
it
might
be
that
the
younger
people
are
coming
through
with
more
ecological
ways
of
traveling,
whereas
the
older
people
haven't
changed
or
it
could
be
that
the
older
people
have
changed
and
the
younger
people
just
aren't
picking
up
on
it.
K
I
think
that
might
be
a
useful
statistic
to
and
allies
as
well
0.3
on
the
counselors
I
think
it
would
be
useful
personally
as
Council
for
counselors
to
be
ambassadors.
We
are
seen
in
and
around
our
community
and
I
think
it'd
be
very
useful
for
us.
I
did
actually
inquire
last
year
about
the
possibility
of
being
involved
in
the
employer's
scheme
for
an
electric
car,
because
I
can't
personally
afford
one
at
the
moment.
K
I
want
one
I've
got
solar
panels,
so
I
can
run
one
off
of
one,
but
I
can't
actually
afford
the
outlay
and
I
was
told.
No,
it's
not
available
for
councilors
I.
Think
it'd
be
interesting
to
find
out
what
other
counselors
feel
about
it
and
what
the
implicator,
whether
that's,
feasible
or
not,
because
obviously
we're
on
short-term
contracts
as
it
were
four
years
and
that
may
have
an
implication.
K
And
then
the
final
thing
about
travel
is
I've
driven
here
today
from
otley
I've
driven
because
I've
got
another
meeting
that
I've
got
to
get
to
for
half
past
four,
when
this
one's
finished,
which
I
know
may
not
be
on
time
for
and
my
concern
is
that
there
are
a
lot
of
meetings
for
councilors
and
we're
driving
all
over
the
city
out
of
necessity.
K
I
can't
get
here
by
public
transport
from
where
I
am
because
the
transport
is
that
unreliable
and
that
infrequent
that
it's
not
possible
and
I
noted
that
when
we
moved
to
with
kovid,
we
started
doing
more
online
meetings,
I'm
having
more
online
meetings
with
officers,
I'm
actually
supposed
to
be
in
a
meeting
at
the
moment
with
a
planning
officer,
my
ward
colleague's.
Taking
that
because
I'm
new
to
this
committee
and
I
didn't
know
there
was
going
to
be
a
clash,
but
that's
taking
place
online.
K
So
the
officer
hasn't
had
to
come
out
to
the
ward
and
we
haven't
had
to
travel
from
our
homes
to
meet
the
officer
at
in
otley,
for
example,
and
I.
Think
more
and
more
of
that
should
be
encouraged.
I've
asked
licensing
to
look
at
when
we
review
film
certification,
I've
had
to
drive
in
for
Motley
to
certify
one
film
for
a
10
minute
meeting
and
then
go
back
out
again,
and
that
is
something
that
I
know.
They're.
K
Q
Yeah
I
can
try
and
answer
some
of
those
questions
and
then
take
any
of
the
points
away,
and
so
the
first
one
in
terms
of
mapping
mode
shift
and
the
modes
that
people
have
changed
from
and
two
I
think
it's
fair
to
say.
In
more
recent
years,
it's
been
quite
a
snapshot
survey
where
we
just
get
the
mode
data
and
we
can
see
proportions
of
different
modes
going
up
and
down,
but
not
necessarily
in
enough
depth
of
detail
to
understand
where
they've
changed
from
it
too.
Q
I
think
my
colleague
Ewing
will
know
and
whether
we've
collected
it
in
that
level
of
detail
more
in
the
past.
I
think
we
have
and
we
are
reviewing
the
questions
that
go
into
the
survey
and
I
think,
especially
in
terms
of
corporate
corporate
travel
plan.
We'll
need
to
do
a
more
in-depth
survey
next
time.
Q
So
it
is
that
sort
of
question
and
the
age
demographic
question
that
we
can
potentially
include
as
well
and
that
was
0.2.3
yeah
I'd
certainly
agree
for
councils
to
be
councilors
to
be
ambassadors
for
the
corporate
travel
plan
in
terms
of
the
access
to
the
EV
vehicle
scheme.
I
think
that's
one,
that
we
need
to
take
away
and
consider
as
part
of
the
corporate
travel
plan.
Q
I
know
we
are
aware
of
requests
and
for
that
scheme
previously,
and
it's
probably
your
setup-
responded
to
them
accordingly
and
then
number
five
yeah
absolutely
agree
in
terms
of
more
online
meetings
and
and
if
there's
anything,
we
can
do
through
the
corporate
travel
plan
to
support
that
I.
Think
that
is
the
decision
hierarchy
or
the
travel
of
mode
hierarchy
that
I
mentioned
it
starts
with
that
it
doesn't.
There
needs
to
be
a
meeting
in
the
first
place.
Does
it
needs
to
be
a
face-to-face
meeting,
or
can
it
actually
be
done
online
instead?.
J
Yep,
so
thanks
for
your
presentation
and
the
work
that
you
and
your
team
are
doing
on
this
just
yeah,
just
a
set
of
queries,
really
I
think
some
of
this
definitely
kind
of
veers
into
kind
of
The,
Wider
landscape.
You
know
the
collecting
leads
wider
landscape.
So
if
you
need
to
kind
of
push
back
on
any
of
this
feel
free,
so
I
think
one
big
query
that
I've
got
and
I
think
probably
many
of
us
around
the
the
city
have
is
around
e-scooters
I.
J
Think
e-scooters
in
some
respects
have
huge
potential.
You
know
low
energy
and
yeah
kind
of
don't
take
up
that
much
space,
but
I
think
there's
also
as
we'll
see
and
know.
This
kind
of
real
concerns
around
them.
J
So
I
suppose
I
just
wondered
if
you're
seeing
much
just
within
kind
of
council
staff,
much
move
towards
that
or
I
I
don't
know.
Can
we
as
leads
try
to
Pioneer
something
around
there
and
I
appreciate?
There
are
cities,
I
think
maybe
Cambridge
and
others
have
kind
of
really
done.
Some
pilots
on
this
I'd
be
interested
to
know
what
they're
learning.
So
that's
point
one
point
two
you
mentioned
car
sharing.
J
It
seems
to
me
that
car
sharing
is
just
this
big
thing
that
could
be
could
create
a
huge
shift
in
the
city
and
just
because
it,
unlike
you
know,
we
will
want
mass
transit
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
but
actually
this
this
is
something
that
is
ultimately
something
we
could
do
right
now
and,
as
I
said,
I
appreciate
you're
already
trying
to
push
it,
but
just
be
interested
how,
as
a
city,
we
can
really
push
it
harder.
J
How,
as
we
as
the
council,
can
really
lead
on
it
because
there's
something
about
economies
of
scale.
You
need
lots
of
people
to
be
signed
up
to
car
sharing,
to
make
it
more
valuable
or
more
workable,
so
I've
been
to
a
slow
how
we
really
try
to
up
the
answer
with
car
sharing
and
I'd
be
interested
to
know.
J
If
there's
places
around
the
world,
where
it's
where
local
authorities
or
collectively
kind
of
communities
have
really
gone
for
it
question
three,
how
are
we
dealing
with
getting
EV
electric
vehicle
charging
points
into
lead
city
council
venues
like
the
the
One-Stop
centers
hubs
and
finally
I
think
I'm
sure
you
touched
on
this
unless
I
I'm,
imagining
it
but
I
guess
when
thinking
about
kind
of
modal
shifts
people
shifting,
certainly
when
they're
shifting
in
the
right
direction.
J
It
just
strikes
me
that
communication,
Communications
and
sharing
stories
is
a
really
key
part
of
that,
because
I
think
quite
a
lot
of
it.
It's
imaginative
work.
J
It's
trying
to
help
people
to
imagine
different
ways
of
travel,
so
the
I'd
be
interested
to
hear
you
talk
more
about
what
we
can
do
to
better
communicate
and
better
share
stories
of
you
know:
I,
don't
know
Bob
who
works
in
accounts,
saying
well:
I
used
to
drive
every
day,
but
then
I
shifted
to
I
now
cycle
into
town
every
day
alongside
councilor
Rick
Downs
on
and
we
love
it
and
we're
never
late
for
meetings,
because
we
don't
get
caught
up
in
the
traffic.
Q
Yeah
sure
thank
you
so
starting
with
e-scooters
and
the
potential
for
them,
and
them
not
losing
credibility.
I
think
it
should
maybe
aware
leads
weren't
one
of
the
cities
that
were
involved
in
the
formal
Trials
of
these
scooters
and
some
cities
weren't
put
forward
for
that.
Q
So
they
are
still
illegal
at
the
moment
in
Leeds,
but
we're
staying
abreast
of
what's
Happening
nationally
and
looking
at
the
outcomes
of
the
trials,
and
we
have,
as
hopefully
you're
aware
and
may
have
seen
in
the
Press
yesterday
got
the
lead,
City
bike
scheme
launching
later
this
year.
So
that's
not
e-scooters,
it's
electric
dockable
bikes
across
the
city
and
including
some
e-cargo
bikes
as
well,
moving
on
to
car
sharing
and
how
we
promote
this
and
there's
car
sharing
and
there's
car
clubs.
Q
So
we
do
have
a
network
and
a
growing
network
of
car
club
spaces.
We've
got
about
65
across
Leeds
at
the
moment,
with
plans
to
expand.
That
and
and
car
clubs
are
the
pay
as
you
go,
Vehicles
the
appointed
operated
at
the
moment
is
Enterprise
and
we
also
have
corporate
membership
in
usage
of
those
car
clubs
as
well,
so
that
I
think
where
you're
talking
about
Journeys
and
there
isn't
the
public
transport
connectivity.
Q
It
gives
an
option
for
using
a
car
club
vehicle
instead
of
your
own
private
vehicle,
and
we
also
promote
car
share
and
there's
lots
of
networks
now
where
people
can
sign
up
and
and
try
and
find
people
that
are
heading
in
the
same
direction
and
find
a
ride
match
and
that
way.
So,
there's
this
information
about
those
options
online
for
General
members
of
the
public,
but
also
and
promoted,
to
staff
through
the
corporate
travel
plan.
Q
Electric
vehicle
charging
points.
I
think
this
is
probably
one
we
can
take
away
and
get
more
detail
on,
and
but
there
certainly
are
plans
and
there's
lots
of
funding
imminently
in
the
pipeline
to
expand
the
electrification
across
leads
and
we
can
look
into
whether
the
One-Stop
hubs
can
be
part
of
that
expansion
so
I'll.
Take
that
one
away
and
and
in
terms
of
promoting
mode
shifts
and
using
case
study
stories,
that's
definitely
something
that
we've
started
doing
as
part
of
the
walk-it
riotic
campaign
externally
facing
I.
Q
Think
it's
something
that
would
adopt
as
part
of
the
corporate
travel
plan
and
we've
also
worked
with
some
residential
planning
sites
where
we've
got
local
residents.
Talking
about
the
positive
impacts
of
the
travel
plan,
measures
that
have
been
implemented
there
and
I
would
envisages
doing
the
same
sort
of
talking
head
type
promotion
into
corporate
travel
plan
as
well.
U
I'm,
really
sorry
about
that,
just
it
was
on
the
the
e-bike
scheme
that
Rachel
mentioned
that's
coming
to
Leeds,
that
if,
if
e-scooters
are
legalized
and
the
council
has
an
appetite
appetite
for
it,
then
the
the
contract
that
we
are
entering
would
allow
e-scooters
to
actually
be
part
of
the
dot
scheme
in
Leeds.
If
that's
what
we
chose
to
do
going
forward,
so
you
know
we're
not
ruling
it
out,
but
it
isn't
something
at
the
moment.
As
Rachel
said:
it's
not
legal,
but
if
the
government
legalizes
them,
then
we
do
have
that
opportunity.
A
D
Thank
you,
Jeff
I
think
it
is
the
the
right
time
to
review
it
in
line
with
where
we've
come
in
a
number
of
different
things.
One
of
the
things
that's
come
out,
obviously,
is
the
transport
strategy
that
looked
at
the
climate
emergency,
so
I
think
it's
right
that
the
Corporal
corporate
travel
plan
follows
that.
I
also
think
really
that
the
council
should
be
the
Exemplar
for
the
transport
strategy
and
should
really
set
that
level
where
we
can
we're
one
of
the
biggest
Employers
in
the
city.
D
We
have
a
lot
of
members
of
staff
that
that
that
we
can
encourage
them
to
change
their
behavior
and
to
look
at
to
work
as
exemplars
for
others
and
I
think
that
that
really
is
time
for
us
to
be
the
Exemplar
in
that,
especially
as
people
are
seeing
the
changes
we're
making
to
the
city
that
we
need
to
really
be
sharing
our
example
on
that.
D
It's
key
that
public
transports
the
best
answer
for
that,
but
it's
not
necessarily
news
that
that
public
transport
is
struggling
as
well
at
the
moment
with
the
reduced
demand
that
we've
seen
following
go
with,
but
also
due
to
due
to
I.
Guess
the
wider
issues
of
it,
of
it
being
in
private
ownership
and
being
a
shareholder-led
model.
So
I
think
encouraging
that,
amongst
our
staff
is
a
good
way
of
trying
to
support
public
transport
across
the
city
as
well
and
I.
D
Think
all
major
Opera
major
employees
across
the
city
should
be
promoting
that
I
think
what
would
be
useful
to
take
forward
on
that,
because
I
completely
understand
that
it'll
be
very
different
in
different
services
and
I.
Think
the
transport
plan,
as
well
as
a
corporate
travel
platform,
except
that
some
for
some
people
with
the
journeys
they
have
to
make
in
a
day
a
private
car
will
be
the
only
way
they
will
be
able
to
do
that.
D
But
I
think
it'd
be
really
useful
for
us
to
maybe
have
a
deep
dive
either
as
part
of
this
committee
or
I.
Don't
know
whether
it
be
more
representative
to
be
on
the
scrutiny
board
of
that
kind
of
breakdown
by
service.
So
we
can
talk
about
some
of
those
case.
D
Studies
of
how
employees
travel,
because
I
think
is
on
both
the
scrutiny
panel
and
and
on
this,
we'll,
be
able
to
look
at
some
of
those
services
and
help
advise
on
ways
that
Services
could
change
and
adapt
to
offer
a
good
service
to
residents
of
the
city,
but
also
try
and
reduce
that
need
to
travel,
because
reducing
the
need
to
travel
I
think
should
be
highest
on
the
list.
D
D
In
terms
of
things
like
the
technology
that's
offered
as
well
so
I
think
maybe
it'd
be
worth
looking
at
what
schemes
they
could
be.
So
we
really
can
be
exemplars
and
aren't
held
back
on
some
of
those,
but
I
think
we'd
also
welcome.
Maybe
the
fact
that
we
have
to
come
in
at
the
moment,
they're
going
legislation
is
that
we
have
to
come
into
this
building
to
hold
formal
meetings
so
that
other
people
can
be
here
and
I'm
sure
others
of
us
that
that
come
from
some
Wards
out
at
the
center.
D
To
then
talk
about
your
residence
seven
miles
away,
and
so
maybe
support
in
in
making
that
making
up
position
clear
wider
in
in
government
level
might
help
us
as
well,
because
I
think
there
are
many
things
one
of
the
other
things
I've
talked
about
when
we've
talked
about
changing
the
workplace
and
some
of
the
scrutiny
boards
before
is
around
how
things
like
the
hubs
that
we
have
and
the
committee
Community
hubs
out
and
about
in
communities
could
be
used
a
lot
more
for
Council
employees
and
work
to
happen
within
those
communities.
D
There
are
many
Council
employees,
I
know
that
live
in
my
ward
and
in
many
of
the
other,
Wards
and
I'm
sure.
Sometimes
they
just
need
to
have
an
ability
to
go
into
a
council
run
office,
not
necessarily
one
that
is
Central
like
this
to
be
able
to
get
either
that
high-speed
connection
that
they
get
in
that
building
or
to
be
able
to
just
work
at
one
of
our
machines
and
I
think
there's
a
an
opportunity.
There
I
certainly
will
go
and
work
in
fatherly
Library
half
the
time
rather
than
coming
to
the
city
center.
D
Q
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Next
on
my
list
was
Council
Anderson.
E
A
number
of
things-
one
is
some
things
you
can't
control.
For
example,
we
need
to
get
transport
right
in
the
city
and
we've
all
probably
got
our
own
ideas.
That's
how
we
can
resolve
that,
but
that's
we're
so
far
behind
compared
with
the
connectivity.
I
I
can
only
give
an
example
of
London
because
you
you're
on
one
form
of
transport
and
you
can
stick
transport
from
one
bit
to
another.
You've
got
to
change
tickets.
You
don't
have
to
earn
at
all,
and
we've
not
got
that
connectivity
here
in
my
area.
E
Fine,
yes,
I
could
get
on
a
train,
but
then
I
need
to
catch
a
bus
on
occasions
as
well.
They
don't
necessarily
join
together,
they're,
not
necessarily
nearby.
Together
you
get
bus
services
coming
into
the
city.
Some
will
go
through
the
city
center,
so
I
will
go
down
to
the
bus
station.
You've
got
all
sorts
of
problems
that
are
out
with
your
control,
so
we
need
to
get
the
transport
system
sorted
out
before
we
start
taking
the
sledgehammer
to
people
whose
behaviors
may
not
necessarily
be
the
right
thing
to
do.
E
We've
got
to
get
that
right.
First
of
all,
but
you've
also
got
to
look
at.
You
can't
have
a
one-size-fit-all
as
a
Carol
pointed
out.
If
you
live
in
the
outer
areas,
your
chances
of
getting
decent
public
transport
is
just
about
zero,
not
quite
zero,
but
it's
not
far
off
it
and
all
the
services
we've
got
seem
to
go
in
the
way,
not
around
the
way.
So
if
you're
trying
to
get
from
one
place
to
another,
I
mean
in
the
outer
Northwest,
how
would
I
get
from
where
I
live?
E
If
I
was
needing
to
go
to
a
meeting
in
geisley
as
an
example
need
to
come
in,
go
back
out
again
a
bit
of
a
waste
of
time
doing
that,
so
we
need
to
look
at
what
we're
going
to
do
about
that.
It
also
defense
depends
where
your
Journeys
start
and
finish.
You
might
start
leaving
your
house
with
a
direction
of
coming
into
other
city
center,
but
your
job
May
then
take
you
out
to
somewhere
else,
because
you
need
to
have
site
visits
with
officers,
so
they
may
suddenly
be
out
of
place.
E
E
Presumably
you'd
also
have
some
exemptions
so,
for
example,
social
care
workers
you
they
need
to
be
able
to
get
around
using
motor
vehicle
rather
than
jumping
on
the
bus
with
bags
of
whatever
it
is.
They
need
to
take
house
the
house.
So
if
you
had
an
exemptions
for
that,
how
many
other
Council
officers
would
claim
exemptions?
For
example,
are
we
going
to
give
one
to
our
chief
executive?
E
Because,
oh
is
he
going
to
get
in
and
out
from?
Are
we
up
in
North
Yorkshire?
He
does
it
by
car,
but
if
we
were
saying
to
him,
you've
got
to
lead
by
example,
and
only
come
in
by
public
transport.
That
might
be
a
little
bit
difficult
for
him
to
do
on
a
number
of
occasions,
especially
if
he's
then
got
to
go
to
another
meeting
somewhere
else
in
the
city
and
time
wise
by
the
time
you
get
back
at
night.
You
pretend
to
come
straight
back
down
again
so
that
he
can
reach
reach
here.
E
Some
ways
it's
easier
than
some
for
some
people.
It's
a
lot
easier
than
other
depends
on
what
the
level
of
commitment
is
and
how
many
are
in
their
family,
because
some
people
use
cars
to
transport
people
from
A
to
B
and
drop
people
off
on
the
way.
We've
also
got.
Certainly
in
my
area
because
of
lack
of
school
places.
We've
now
got
families,
sometimes
something
to
teach
children
to
two
and
three
different
schools
so
and
public
transport.
E
E
You
are
up
against
this
cancer
Carlisle
I
said
as
well
government
a
lot
of
what
you're
wanting
to
do
needs
government
intervention,
for
example
the
remote
meetings
by
law.
Even
if
we
wanted
to,
we
cannot
meet
other
than
in
the
Civic
Hall
to
make
a
decision.
We
must
be
face
to
face
we,
you
know,
so
the
law
needs
to
be
changed
so
much
as
it
might
sound
like
a
good
idea.
Until
you
get
the
law
changed
and
I
don't
get
the
impression.
E
We
used
to
have
something
called
corporate
travel
cards
when
I
used
to
go
down
to
Wakefield,
for
example,
on
behalf
of
the
council,
I
used
to
be
able
to
go
to
reception,
pick
up
a
travel
card
which
I
could
then
use
a
corporate
one
to
go
up
and
down
that
was
stopped
a
number
of
years
and
they
weren't
as
easy.
Should
we
reintroduce
that
that
might
be
one
way
of
doing
it,
so
you
could
pick
up
a
corporate
travel
card
and
go
around
that's
what
you're
going
to
be
doing.
Then.
E
You've
also
got
timing
issues
that
people
might
not
need
to
if
you've
got
flexible
start
times
that
can
have
an
impact.
You've
also
got
the
health
needs
of
people.
Some
people
might
want
to
walk,
but
they
cannot
walk
up
hills
because
of
their
health,
and
you
know
you
need
to
watch
that
you
don't
end
up
penalizing
people
because
they
have
a
health
or
a
disability
that
precludes
them
from
actually
doing
these
sort
of
things
but
and
I
wanted
to
conclude
on
a
positive
note
is
I.
E
E
It's
going
to
be
very,
very
difficult
for
you
to
do
it
ambition
aside,
so
I
think,
but
it
is
worthwhile
and
let's
have
the
debate
and
let's
have
an
open
and
honest
debate
about
it
and
let's
come
up
with
a
solution
that
the
majority
of
us
can
live
with.
We'll
never
get
everybody
to
be
quite
Frank,
but
we
want
the
majority
of
people
to
back
what
we're
doing.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
for
that
contribution.
Rachel
did
you
want
to
come
back
on
any
of
those
points.
Q
Thank
you,
Council
Anderson,
quite
a
few
points
which
I've
noted
down
and
I
think
yeah.
The
the
presentation
today
was
to
set
out
that
ambitious
vision
and
but
whilst
acknowledging
that
it
won't
be
a
one-size-fits
all
there
will
be
some
exemptions
in
the
corporate
travel
plan
and
proposals.
I
need
to
take
that
into
account
trying
to
pick
up
on
some
of
the
points.
More
specifically.
Q
In
terms
of
well,
particularly
the
corporate
travel
card,
that
measure
is
still
in
operation,
it
was
dropped
off
during
the
pandemic,
but
we're
certainly
trying
to
make
sure
that
those
corporate
travel
cards
are
available
at
building
receptions
again
they're
back
at
Marion,
aren't
they
so
and
promoting
them
to
staff
and
increasing
the
usage
of
them,
because
they
are
available
to
the
council
at
a
huge
discount
on
what
it
costs
an
individual
to
buy
them.
Q
So
we
definitely
want
to
make
more
use
of
them
and,
and
then
yeah
in
terms
of
things
like
Health
needs
and
Interlink
Journeys
and
just
an
example.
Looking
at
car
park
management
when
we're
talking
about
a
need
spaces,
that's
exactly
the
sort
of
thing
I
think
we'd
need
to
look
into
is
is
making
sure
that
parking
provision
is
available
to
those
that
need
it
most
as
opposed
to
whatever
the
previous
allocation
system
might
have
been.
A
H
You
chair
just
very
briefly:
what
are
we
doing
to
look
at
best
practice
from
other
authorities
and
what
more
could
we
do?
Thank
you.
Q
Yet
we're
part
of
various
networks
in
terms
of
the
travel
planning
sector,
there's
an
organization,
membership
organization
called
mode
shift,
and
we
get
so.
We
contribute
to
that
quite
actively
in
terms
of
presenting
to
that
group.
But
then
the
whole
purpose
of
it
is
sharing
best
practice
and
ideas
both
in
terms
of
trouble
planning
for
workplaces,
schools
across
Leeds,
but
then
our
own
practicing.
What
we
preach
corporate
travel
plans
as
well.
C
Yeah
I
just
thank
you
for
the
report.
I
think
it's
really
interesting,
I,
just
wonder
about
park
and
ride,
and
whether
how
many
Council
officers
use
park
and
ride
and
whether
we
could
try
and
extend
park
and
ride
to
other
parts
of
the
city,
particularly
the
East,
and
whether
that
would
actually
help
in
terms
of
decreasing
the
amount
of
vehicle
transport
vehicle
travel
within
the
city.
Q
Yep
I
think
I'm
just
looking
to
see
if
we've
got
the
percentage
of
current
park
and
ride
at
the
minute.
I
don't
think
it's
it's
not
separated
out
on
the
graph,
but
we
can
provide
that
to
the
committee
and
yeah.
Absolutely
we
work
with
so
Metro
and
waika
command.
Authority
have
a
West
shops,
travel
plan
Network
and
which
we
actively
promote
with
them,
sustain
up
to
date
with
progress
and
changes
and
promoting
any
sort
of
Discount
Ticket
in
initiatives
on
the
park
and
ride.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Council
apostle.
M
Thank
you,
the
more
I
look
at
this
and
and
made
into
it.
It's
quite
simply.
A
case
of
all
roads
seem
to
travel
towards
public
transport
on
this
and
I.
M
Think
this
cities
well
well
known
as
being
poorly
served,
considering
it's
a
provincial
capital
or
probably
one
of
the
most
poorly
served
cities
in
western
Europe
in
relation
to
public
transport
provision,
and
that's
been
made
even
worse
now
with
the
election
of
our
at
West
Yorkshire
mayor
and
the
fact
that
she
served
noticed
all
our
main
supplies
of
public
transport
that
they
were
all
going
to
have
their
routes
re-franchised
without
what
seems
to
have
been
a
short-term
to
medium
plan
to
deal
with
that
issue.
M
A
So
Rachel
I
don't
know
if
that
is
beyond
the
scope
of
your
particular
presentation,
but
councilor
Carlisle
I
think
wants
to
come
in.
D
I
can
come
in
if
it's
easier,
because
I
I
do
represent.
Obviously
the
city
well,
I
represent
West
Yorkshire.
D
Actually,
as
one
of
the
members
of
the
transport
committee
I
think
the
struggle
that
we
see
over
public
transport
that
I
see
certainly-
and
that
came
from
that
note-
that
was
taken
around
the
assessment
report
that
came
up
the
other
day
and
I'll-
be
careful
in
my
words,
because
that
obviously
goes
to
consultation
and
audit
before
any
decision
is
taken
over
what
to
do
with
public
transport,
but
there's
a
clear
move
at
the
combined
Authority
towards
bus
reform
and
that
bus
reform
of
whatever
method
it
takes.
D
Whether
that's
an
enhanced
partnership
Plus
or
goes
to
the
franchising
route
comes
at
the
point
that
we've
seen
that
since
the
1980s
there
has
been
a
decline
in
public
transport
across
the
country
everywhere
outside
of
London
and
London
is
the
only
one
that
has
further
control
to
manage
its
own
network
and
fares
and
I.
Think
that's
what
has
led
leaders
of
West
Yorkshire
to
get
to
that
position,
where
the
trust
in
private
operators
to
improve
services
to
the
Quality
that
we
would
like
to
see
them
is
somewhat
decreasing
by
the
moment.
D
D
It
may
lead
to
turbulent
times
if
the
mayor
does
decide
when,
when
that
time
comes
to
move
towards
franchising,
because
it
will
be
a
change
for
bus
operators
but
I
think
the
problem
is
we've
been
going
down
this
road
for
a
bit
too
long
and
I,
don't
think
any
city
outside
London
has
seen
better
public
transport
than
it
did
at
the
time.
D
The
decision
was
made
to
move
it
in
and
I
always
think
it's
an
oddity,
but
there's
two
things:
there's
only
two
things
I'm
aware
of
that
the
council
is
not
allowed
to
do
and
I'm
sure
there
are
others,
and
people
can
tell
me
actually
I,
think
I've
just
thought
of
a
third
one,
but
we're
not
allowed
to
open
school,
because
that
must
be
opened
by
an
academy
group.
We're
not
allowed
to
offer
health
care
because
the
NHS
it's
it's
within
their
right
to
do
so,
and
we're
not
allowed
to
run
a
bus
and
I.
D
Think
it's
a
bit
odd,
even
in
that
state
that
with
privatized
bus
markets,
we
can't
enter
that
market
as
a
council
as
well,
because
we
would
pick
up
some
of
those
Services
I
think
so
that's
what's
led
to
that
time
of
looking
to
make
that
decision,
because
I
can't
guarantee
that
private
operators
will
offer
us
the
solution
that
you're
asking
for
like
it
like
a
a
modern,
European,
City's
quality
of
public
transport,
that
we
would
like
to
see
that
many
of
us
see
if
we
go
to
either
London
or
most
provincial
capitals
in
Western
Europe
and
unfortunately
we
don't
have
that
ability
to
offer
that
service
in
Leeds.
D
D
Leeds
is
somehow
way
behind
Edinburgh
Glasgow,
Sheffield,
Birmingham
name
name
other
provincial
capital
there
and
but
I
think
that's
where
we're
going
and
that's
why
the
mayor
I
think
have
been
tough
on
being
sure
to
make
decisions
at
the
right
time
that
move
us
in
the
direction
that
could
improve
public
transport
I.
Think
because
we've
tried
a
lot
over
the
last
40
years.
Has
it
been
that
it's
been
deregulated
and
so
something's
got
to
change,
and
certainly
group
I
think
believe
that
that
is
the
the
way
to
move
on
that.
A
Okay,
so
I
I
think
we've
had
fairly
comprehensive
debate
on
that
I
hope
it's
moved
forward
in
terms
of
the
things
Rachel
that
you
were
asking
of
us
in
terms
of
a
contribution.
A
We
have
certainly
expressed
our
views
in
in
some
of
the
things
that
you
asked
us
to
think
about.
We've
discussed
strategies,
we've
discussed
policies,
we've
discussed
other
options
to
cars.
We
haven't
really
looked
at
whether
travel
for
elected
members
should
be
part
of
the
corporate
travel
plan.
I,
don't
know
whether
anybody
has
a
view
on
whether
it
it
should
or
or
should
not.
E
Yeah
problem,
it's
our
status,
that
is
the
issue.
Not
the
will
I
would
argue
it's
whether
or
not
we
are
or
not.
Employees
are
are
not
entitled
to
certain
benefits
that
come
along
with
it
and
you,
and
also
as
cancer
downstairs,
the
short-term
nature
of
you
know.
You
know
a
lot
of
people
are
not
in
favor
of
zero
hours
contract.
Well,
sometimes
it
feels
a
bit
like
that
being
a
counselor,
sometimes
because
you're
working,
40,
50
60
70
80
hours
a
week
for
not
a
lot
in
comparison
terms,
status
and
that's
beyond
our
gift.
D
I
guess
it's
a
similar
to
I
was
gonna,
say
absolutely
happy
that
members
are
included
as
a
section
in
that,
but
it
will
have
to
take
into
account
that
we
don't
have
the
same
status
of
others,
but
I
think
it
would
be
useful
at
that
point
where
many
of
us
do
want
to
be
ambassadors
in
this.
If
the
council
can
look
at
it
and
say
right,
you
may
not
be
eligible
for
the
Bank
to
work
scheme.
D
K
Yeah,
just
a
quickie
I,
also
on
a
completely
unconnected,
but
it's
relevant
when
I
first
started
as
a
counselor
I
paid
into
the
West
Yorkshire
pension
fund.
That
was
taken
away
from
me
by
the
government,
so
I
now
don't
have
a
pension,
and
the
government
said
that
everybody's
entitled
to
a
workplace
pension
I,
don't
have
any
other
income.
So
therefore
I'm
not
entitled
to
a
pension.
K
But
following
on
from
that
I
think
a
similar
thing
will
probably
come
up
with
our
ability
to
use
the
council's
scheme
for
electric
vehicles.
Etc
and
I
think
that
if
it's
in
the
travel
plan
that
we
have
a
desire
to
do
it,
if
we
can't
do
it,
I
think
we
should
then
Lobby,
MPS
and
government
to
say
this
is
what
the
council
would
like
to
do
and
I
think
moving
forward
with
the
environmental
agenda.
K
You
should
really
look
at
this
and
give
us
the
opportunity
to
be
a
part
of
the
scheme-
maybe
not
four
members,
but
some
way
of
of
benefiting
that.
We
can
actually,
as
I
said
earlier
as
you've
repeatedly
ambassadors,
to
say
to
the
city
where
your
elected
representatives,
we
believe
in
this
and
we're
going
to
lead
by
example.
A
A
So
just
bringing
this
item
to
a
close
then
and
looking
at
what
we
were
asked
to
do
so
in
terms
of
recommendations,
we
were
asked
to
support
the
plan
and
the
production
of
an
action
plan
which
I
think
is
a
committee.
We
do
looking
at
nodding.
Heads
one
thing
that
councilor
Carlo
brought
up
in
the
discussion
was
the
idea
of
a
deep
dive
into
different
Services.
A
A
So
we
could
ask
them
as
part
of
that
if
they
can
make
reference
to
how
the
corporate
travel
plan
is
being
implemented
in
their
directorate
in
terms
of
their
own
staff,
travel
and
and
their
grave
Fleet
and,
and
things
like
that,
and
that
might
help
in
terms
of
of
the
action
plan
and
contribute
towards
that
if
people
are
in
agreement
with
that,
thank
you
and
the
other
thing
I
guess
an
ask
from
us
which
came
up
a
couple
of
times
in
in
the
discussion
was
the
the
use
of
data.
A
So
people
mentioned
modal
shift
and
age.
Demographics
in
terms
of
of
data
collection,
I,
think
that
would
be
really
useful.
I
think
you
said
you
were
going
to
look
at
that
Rachel
in
terms
of
future
data
collections,
so
we
talked
about
members.
We've
talked
about
directors,
data,
oh
and
the
other
thing
really
is.
A
It
is
the
meetings
that
we
have
to
have
in
person
and
whether
there's
anything
that
we
can
make
any
recommendations
as
a
as
a
committee
in
in
terms
of
that
respect
and
and
any
any
meetings
that
we
don't
have
to
have
in
person
that
we
would
be
in
favor
of
moving
online
and
then
that
would
kind
of
fit
with
the
idea
of
the
the
top
priority
of
the
travel
plan
is,
is
not
to
travel,
so
I
think
there
will
be
our
recommendations
if
anybody's
got
any
others
or
happy
to
go
with
those
okay.
A
Thank
you
very
much
in
that
case.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
I
hope
you
found
the
contributions
useful
and
I
hope
they
can
feed
in.
We
did
say
we
were
going
to
visit
revisit
in
a
working
group
weren't
we.
So
we
will
do
that
later
in
the
year,
we'll
we'll
come
back
when
the
action
plan
is
underway
and
you
can
come
back
to
one
of
our
working
groups.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
Jillian
as
well.
Thank
you.
Bye,
bye,
okay,
so
we're
moving
on
to
item
nine,
which
is
the
update
on
public
sector
decarbonate
carbonization
Naz.
Are
you
presenting
on
that
one.
R
Yes,
should
I
put
my
presentation
up.
A
R
Hi,
can
we
all
see
that
yeah
great
good
afternoon,
everyone,
I'm
Nazar,
Sufi
I'm,
the
head
of
decarbonization
and
plant
maintenance
for
leads
Council
I
was
running
through
today.
What
we're
doing
under
the
public
sector
decarbonization
scheme
psds
has
its
known,
drives
the
government's
private
government's
agenda
for
reducing
carbon
from
public
sector
buildings
by
by
2037.
R
It
follows
the
strict
criteria
for
application,
so
we
have
to
follow
that
to
the
letter
and
generally,
it's
very
popular
the
councils
throughout
the
UK.
They
they
everybody
wants
a
piece
of
this
pie
and
within
30
minutes
of
opening
it's
generally
fully
subscribed.
It's
really
important
to
leads
because
it
supports
our
commitment
to
zero
carbon
by
2030,
so
we
generally
try
and
get
ahead
of
the
game
and
get
a
foot
in
the
door.
R
So
the
first
game
came
out
in
March
2021.
We
won
25
million
pounds
worth
of
funding
and
we
we
use
that
across
40
sites.
In
our
city,
the
award
was
based
on
500
pounds
given
for
every
ton
of
carbon
reduced,
so
it
was
quite
generous
and
we
use
that
predominantly
on
heat
pumps
and
on
our
district
heating
Network.
R
We
also
had
solar
panels,
LED
double
glazing
and
the
building
management
systems
to
support
the
heat
reduction,
the
carbon
reduction
and
we
met
our
deadline
of
March
2022.
To
finish
that
work,
it's
very
difficult,
but
it
was
all
done,
and
there
was
some
follow-on
studies
done
with
that
to
optimize.
Overall,
we
saved
about
3,
800
tons
of
carbon
and
we're
doing
that
every
year.
Now,
as
part
of
this
installation,
it
was
a
very
difficult
project
to
undergo.
R
We
had
to
establish
a
high
performing
team
from
within
that
within
the
council
and
also
tune
our
contractors
to
make
sure
we
delivered
within
that
time.
These
kind
of
projects
to
deliver
in
a
year
with
all
the
governance
that
goes
with
it
is
is
very
challenging.
The
schedule
is
not
normal
for
this
kind
of
project.
We
have
to
understand
all
the
pre-construction
activities
that
needed
to
be
done.
R
R
There
was
a
whole
lot
of
detailed
design
that
needs
to
go
in
and
when
that
design
is
done,
then
you
have
to
to
the
applications
for
planning
permission
and
also
a
lot
of
us
built
data
had
to
be
connected
for
what
was
it
was
already
on
site
and
how
that
could
be
modified
and
then
post
installation
data
had
to
be
collected.
All
of
this
was
done
with
the
additional
challenge
of
covid
and
everything
else
that
was
prevented,
but
presented
so
Supply
chains
were
really
difficult
to
access.
R
Those
long
lead
times
for
procurements
contractors
were
really
stretched
with
their
resources,
but,
as
I
said,
we
were
successful
and
some
pictures
on
there
of
some
of
our
installations.
This
is
a
heat
pump
by
John
Charles
and
some
of
the
clarifiers
for
for
hot
water
as
well
and
the
pipe
work
you
can
see.
This
is
a
one
of
the
schools,
holly
bush.
You
can
see
the
really
impressive
solar
array
which
we
installed.
R
It's
fair
to
say
this
was
a
really
steep
learning
curve,
and
this
is
new
technology
to
the
market.
You
don't
hear
of
many
commercial
buildings
having
SLC
pumps,
but
also
we've
done.
We've
basically
rolled
this
out
to
40
size,
so
we
went
through
a
great
deal
of
learning
an
optimization
throughout
the
year,
but
you
can
see
from
the
data
that
I
present
in
front
of
you
that
we
initially
we
were
having
heat
pumps,
60,
70
and
gas
working
the
rest
of
the
time
through
optimization
and
BMS,
which
is
building
management
systems.
R
Working
we've
basically
got
the
heat
pumps
working
right
up
to
1995
with
the
gas
only
coming
in
during
really
cold
periods.
So
we
we
got
that
that
was
an
airbra.
This
is
a
kit
packs
Leisure
Center.
You
can
see
how
we've
optimized
there.
The
blue,
shows
how
much
the
heat
pump
is
working.
The
rent
shows
how
much
the
gas
is
coming
in.
So
we
really
made
a
big
difference
to
our
carbon
footprint
on
that,
and
not
only
that.
It
also
had
the
direct
impact
on
the
on
the
bills
as
well.
R
So
energy
bills
really
came
down
because
we
offset
with
solar,
as
we
were
really
successful
in
psds1.
We
then
jumped
into
psts2,
which
was
in
the
following
year,
March.
So
as
we
were
finishing
psts
one,
we
stand
we
started
preparing
for
psts
too.
The
criteria
became
more
difficult
and
it
wasn't
as
generous.
They
gave
us
325
pounds
per
ton
of
carbon.
They
also
gave
us
a
much
more
stricter
criteria,
so
this
was
now
directly
looking
at
how
old
the
boilers
were
and
also
heat
decarbonization,
not
just
other
CO2
measures.
R
On
this
phase
of
the
works,
we
looked
at
six
primary
schools,
one
day
care
center,
two
social
centers
and
one
Community
Hall,
total
cost
of
this
project
was
5.3
million.
4.3
million
was
from
the
from
the
funding
and
there's
12
match
funding
from
the
Council
of
the
school.
We
managed
to
secure
all
that
within
the
one
year
time
frame
as
well
and
in
this
phase
of
works.
R
We
saved
684
tons
of
carbon
so
that
this
project
has
just
come
to
an
end,
but
we're
still
now
collecting
data
and
optimizing
like
we
did
in
the
last
one
to
to
make
sure
that
the
systems
work
really
well.
R
What
we've
proved
is
SLC
pumps
do
work,
they
work
very
well
and
as
they're
designed
properly
and
and
the
right
work
up
front
happens
that
a
good
measure
for
carbon
reduction
and
reduction
of
your
energy
bills.
This
is
some
of
our
installations
on
psds3a
they've
got
Potter
Newton
you've
got
St
George's
Middleton
Center
there
and
the
Children's
Center
on
the
left.
R
Some
of
the
challenges
that
we
faced
you
can
see.
These
are
live
working
sites
that
we
were
in,
like
schools
and
Care
Homes,
so
we
can't
just
close
the
heating
down.
So
what
we've
done
to
to
meet
the
criteria
and
finishing
the
year
is
set
up
temporary
bothers
in
some
places.
In
some
places
we've
had
to
work
while
the
schools
are
open.
So
we
have
a
really
confined
area
to
work.
R
In
and
we
keep
all
the
public
areas
open
and
operations
are
going
in
in
some
cases,
there's
not
enough
space
to
put
the
equipment
we've
had
to
put
them
on
roofs,
which
implies
more
work.
We've
got
a
structurally
strengthen
the
roofs.
Do
further
studies
planning
information
becomes
more
challenging,
but
all
of
this
has
to
be
overcome
within
the
year.
The
failure
is
not
an
option.
Everything
has
to
be
done
if
we
do
not
get
it
done
in
the
year,
the
money
goes
back
and
it
lose
the
funding.
So
the
pressure
is
immense
on
the
team.
R
So
now
we're
also
looking
we're
also
working
on
3B
now,
which
is
already
started.
We're
currently
in
design
and
pre-construction
works
in
this
phase
of
Works
we're
looking
at
eight
primary
schools,
High
School,
two
leverage
centers
and
we're
also
looking
at
Heritage
buildings,
which
have
a
added
complexity
because
of
applications
from
from
heritage.
R
There's
a
another
1290
tons
of
carbon
to
be
saved
in
this
round.
We
also
have
a
couple
of
buildings
as
plan
B's,
because,
as
we
do,
the
design
some
of
the
buildings
may
fall
out
of
favor
in
terms
of
the
criteria
or
the
financial
impact.
So
what
we
don't
want
to
do
is
miss
out
on
that.
We
always
have
a
plan
being
a
plan
to
see
all
the
sites
that
can
go
in
this
grant
was
awarded
in
February
23
and
we've
got
to
finish
by
March
24th.
R
The
premium
activity,
as
which
is
ongoing,
is
it's
worth
noting
that
the
difficult
size
are
now
coming
up.
The
easy
sites
have
been
taken
so
in
psds1
and
psds3a
and
3B.
We
did
all
the
sites
that
we
could.
The
sites
that
are
left
are
getting
more
and
more
difficult,
whether
it
is
a
space
constraint
or
financial
constraints.
It's
getting
really
hard
to
get
these
done,
but
we're
still
going
to
do
it
because
it's
one
of
our
key
drivers,
the
Felix,
are
also
very
difficult
now
they've,
not
and
they're,
not
allowing
hybrid
systems.
R
So
now
we
must
only
in
install
heat
pumps,
no
gas
backup,
which
means
that
we've
got
to
be
more
robust
in
our
design,
because
if
a
heat
pump
fails,
there's
no
gas
to
basically
back
it
up,
so
our
systems,
our
design,
has
to
take
that
into
account.
I
cannot
afford
for
a
school
not
to
have
any
heat
or
a
care
home
not
to
have
any
heat.
So
we
we're
taking
more
time
under
the
scrutiny
and
making
sure
the
design
is
is
robust.
The
costs
are
really
difficult.
R
Contractors
are
struggling
to
produce
the
designs
at
the
right
cost.
Now
as
well
and
also
Northern
power
grid,
who
are
the
energy
providers,
they
have
a
lot
of
applications
at
the
moment
because
everyone's
been
putting
in
applications
for
Ev,
Chargers
and
other
upgrades
around
the
cities,
because
they
don't
just
serve
leads
to
serve
the
whole
of
the
region.
R
And
in
this
phase
of
work
we
have
seven
substations
the
longest
lead
time
in
the
northern
power
grid.
Work
is
a
substation,
it
generally
costs
between
100
and
200
000
and
there's
at
least
six
months
in
getting
the
substation
designed
built
and
implemented.
So
we've
got
a
big
challenge
ahead
of
us
in
this.
In
this
phase
and
I
said
that
the
designs
are
under
review
at
the
moment
and
we're
looking
at
the
pre-start
stuff,
health
and
safety
and
the
pre-construction
information.
R
What
doesn't
stop
there,
because
page
3C
has
been
announced
and
it's
going
to
come
in
Autumn.
So
in
order
to
have
a
chance
of
winning
that
which
will
start
in
March,
we
must
start
selection.
Now
this
work
has
to
be
done
at
our
own
cost,
because
there's
no
money
awarded
for
the
pre
pre-selection
and
we're
looking
at
site
conditions
with
our
own
teams
and
obviously
we
have
competing
resources
because
the
teams
are
actually
working
on
3B.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
for
that
summary
amazing
work
is,
is
the
first
thing
that
comes
to
my
my
mind
under
enormous
pressure.
I
would
imagine
so
congratulations
to
everybody
involved.
Anybody
got
any
questions.
Counselor
Fosters,
first.
M
First
off
I'd
just
like
to
know
what
was
just
said
then,
because
on
the
face
of
it,
what
I've
seen
there
is
a
fantastic
project
with
a
higher
degree
of
difficulty
and
it
seems
to
have
been
carried
out
extremely
well.
So
congratulations
to
you
and
your
team
for
that.
M
My
concern
really
is
and
I
picked
up.
Prime
you've
actually
mentioned
it.
This
oncoming
scheme
now
has
as
different
rules
to
it
with
regards
the
system
you're
allowed
to
leave
in
place,
and
these
are
just
Standalone
heat
pumps
now
so
I
assume
you're
going
to
be
pulling
out,
possibly
perfectly
good
gas
heating
systems.
M
I,
don't
know
because
I
I
don't
know
what
the
the
life
expectancy
is
of
them.
I'm
just
concerned
that-
and
you
mentioned
a
lot
of
time
constraints
and
a
lot
of
time
pressure.
Is
this
in
danger
of
forcing
you
to
making
decisions
in
pulling
out
perfectly
good
heat
systems,
gas
heating
systems,
bearing
in
mind
on
the
horizon?
We've
got
sustainable
hydrogen,
and
could
some
of
these
systems
be
better
maintained
now
and
then
converted
to
hydrogen
at
a
later
date?.
N
Nice
can
I
very
nice,
can
I
just
come
in
about
the
sort
of
hydrogen
and
then
and
I
think
the
sort
of
direction
of
travel
and
hydrogen
is
we're
less
likely
to
get
it
across
sort
of
the
whole
city
and
the
whole
grid.
I
mean
at
the
moment
we're
talking
about
very
specific
towns
and
so
I
think
the
risk
of
that
is
quite
low.
N
There
still
hasn't
been
a
national
absolute
decision
about
hydrogen,
but
I
think
the
more
and
more
people
are
coming
out
now.
Is
that
I
think
at
one
point
we
were
talking
about
the
whole
city
and
using
the
gas
infrastructure
that
is
looking
less
likely
when
Northern
gas
networks
came
to
scrutiny
last
year
they
weren't
talking
along
those
lines
anymore.
N
So
it's
more
about
sort
of
industrial
clusters,
potentially
specific
towns
that
are
really
near
to
Maine's
infrastructure,
so
the
chances
of
sort
of
some
of
the
the
sites
we're
looking
at
being
suitable
for
hydrogen
is
very
unlikely
in
terms
of
taking
out
gas
infrastructure.
Actually,
what
we're
taking
out
is
primarily
the
actual
eating
source
and
actually
they
are
all
end
of
life
and
I'll.
Let
Nas
talk
about
the
sort
of
secondary
side,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
that
probably
does
stay
in
place.
R
Otherwise
you
don't
get
this
funding
and
what
we're
finding
is
that
the
sites
are
crying
out
for
us
to
come
in
and
help
them,
because
the
the
end
of
life
most
of
these
things,
the
boilers
are
in
the
state
where
the
I
don't
think,
there's
any
that's
been
there
for
10
years,
they've
generally
been
there
for
20
or
30
years,
so
nearly
every
site
that
we've
been
through
so
far
and
we'll
go
to
there's
a
number
of
sites
are
begging
us
for
us
to
come
because
they
get
this
for
free,
essentially
12
contribution,
but
that
generally
comes
from
us.
R
So
we
we
we
do
not
rip
out
anything.
That's
working!
Well,
the
the
the
issue
with
having
just
hit
one
heat
pump,
but
no,
no
backup,
hybrid
system.
This
is
one
thing
that
we're
addressing
in
the
design,
we're
making
sure
that
we
have
it's
called
n
plus
one
in
in
the
design
world,
where
you
have
a
redundancy
in
the
system.
So
if
one
does
fail,
you
have
a
backup
and
the
way
we're
making
it
more
robust
is
rather
than
just
provide
two
units.
We
split
that
up
into
four
units.
R
So
if
you
do
have
a
failure,
then
it's
more
likely
that
you
can
still
run
with
three
units,
maybe
not
Optimum
100,
but
you'll,
get
that
90
or
so
because
you've
got
M
plus
one
plus
multiple
units
and
also
the
other
part
of
this
which
isn't.
This
is
what
I'm
looking
at
right
now
is
making
sure
we
have
units
that
are
off
the
shelf
and
that
are
the
house.
R
All
names,
such
as
Mitsubishi,
are
not
something
that's
from
you
know
the
far
reaches
of
the
back
of
Italy
or
or
China
that
are
really
difficult
to
get
parts
for
us
and
stuff.
So
this
is
what
has
to
go
into
the
reviews
of
the
designs,
and
it's
really
important
that
we
don't
just
bow
to
any
contractor
that
comes
along
and
says:
I
can
sell
you
the
world
and
then
delivers
nothing
because
the
baby
lands
with
me
at
the
end
I'm,
the
one
that
gets
the
phone
calls
I'm,
the
one
that
has
to
deliver
afterwards.
R
It's
not
just
give
the
money
and
walk
away
so
I.
Take
this
very
personally
and
make
sure
that
I'm
not
left
with
the
problem
that
I
can't
handle
because
I
want
to
hand
this
over
to
the
to
our
partners
in
lbs
and
on
the
sites
to
let
them
be
self-sufficient.
This
is
a
really
poor,
important
part
of
our
delivery
and
our
model.
H
Thank
you,
chair
I
noted
in
an
email
from
January
that
there
were
application
that,
in
the
bid
application
there
were
five
schools
in
our
award
that
were
included
since
then
only
seen
two
of
those
move
forward,
presumably
because
well,
could
you
explain
whether
we
got
how
much
of
the
funding
that
was
applied
for
was
offered?
And
presumably
there
have
been
other
issues
that
come
up
because
I
saw
for
each
of
those
sites.
H
R
I
can
give
you
an
overview
so
right
now
in
3B
and
I'm,
assuming
that's
what
we're
talking
about
so
in
3B
we're
still
going
through
the
design
and
because
of
the
detail
that
needs
to
go
into
this
design.
We
still
haven't
resolved
it,
so
we
can't
put
any
planning
applications
in
until
we
have
a
full
and
proper
design.
The
solar
is
easier
to
put
the
applications
in
for
because
it's
standard,
but
the
the
heat
pumps,
it's
not
just
the
sizing
which
which
determines
the
application,
is
the
location
and
everything
else.
R
So
I
stopped
this
number
of
units
where
it's
going
to
go
so
some
sites
need
to
be
roof
mounted,
sometimes
on
the
on
the
ground.
It's
also
How.
Does
the
energy
come
in
so
the
this
is.
What
takes
a
lot
of
the
time
is
that
design
feeds
into
everything
else.
It
has
impacts
on
Northern
power
grid.
It
has
impacts
on
where
we
remove
asbestos
which
roofs
we
need.
Strengthening,
planning,
applications
and,
and
every
other
thing
so
to
get
the
design
wrong
would
mean
everything
else
goes
wrong
and
then
you'll
miss
the
schedule.
R
Hence
I
I
generally
do
workshops
with
all
parties
at
this
point
and
the
one
is
happening
next
week
to
finalize
and
I
I:
don't
order
the
equipment
until
I'm
sure,
because,
if
I
order,
the
equipment
I'm,
basically
stuck
with
it
and
I
have
to
use
it.
So
it's
a
really
good
question
because
you
know
you
see
results
from
when
you
see
the
applications
and
everything
else
going.
This
is
this
is
something
that
we
can't
take
lightly.
R
Otherwise
what
will
happen
is
the
school
will
suffer
and
we
can't
have
that,
so
we
are
getting
there
and
I
think
what's
going
to
happen
by
the
end
of
June,
beginning
of
July,
everything
should
be
in
place.
That's
the
target,
we'll
have
the
equipment
ordered
by
end
of
July,
and
then
the
implementation
will
happen
around
September
onwards,.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Council
Shazad,.
I
Yeah
thank
you
for
that
report
and
thank
you
for
all
the
good
work
that
you're
doing,
but
a
quick
question.
The
lifespan
of
these
pumps,
I,
believe,
is
about
20
to
25
years
and
what
would
be
the
cost
to
the
school
or
the
local
Authority.
If
we're
doing
these
changes
in
our
buildings
to
actually
then
replace
these
Asos
pumps
and
to
get
the
system
back
up
and
running,
because,
obviously,
if
they've
only
got
a
lifespan
above
20
to
25
years,
we
will
have
issues
when
that
comes
up.
R
R
You'd
also
have
to
change
secondaries
as
well
to
for
them
to
work
so
they're
getting
this
for
free
and
that
money
is
put
aside
in
20
years.
I
can
guarantee.
There
will
be
new
technology
and
in
20
years
the
legislation
will
be
different.
They
won't
be
allowed
to
use
what
they're
using
now,
because
we're
getting
greener
and
Greener
and
more
leaner,
so
I
think
20
years
is
a
good
design
period.
And.
The
fact
that
we're
using
good
quality
Equipment
should
should
give
you
that
yield
at
least
so
personally,
I'm
not
too
worried.
R
But
it's
a
good
question,
because
it's
something
we
should
always
think
about.
We
don't
want
to
leave
our
sites
with
something
that's
problematic.
We
want
to
leave
them
with
something
that
they
can
build
on
and
become
stronger
with,
and
that's
what
we
generally
tend
to
try
to
do.
We
don't
always
succeed,
but
we
always
Endeavor
to
do
that.
Thanks.
A
Thank
you.
Do
you
want
to
add
anything
Polly.
N
Yeah
just
to
say,
I
think
if
you
sort
of
start
to
read
the
the
documentation
around
same
with
EV
cars
or
any
of
the
new
technology,
there's
a
plan
for
getting
to
price
parity.
So
in
terms
of
that
replacement
cost,
you
will
be
in
certainly
no
worse.
The
positioning,
in
fact
at
some
point,
you're,
probably
being
a
worse
position.
N
If
you
were
trying
to
replace
a
gas
boiler
because
it
will
sway
the
other
way
and
we're
already
starting
to
see
in
the
market
that
actually
the
equipment
is
coming
down
in
price
substantially,
especially
in
the
residential
Market.
Some
of
the
the
costs
come
with
things
like
the
electrical
infrastructure,
and
things
like
that.
Obviously,
once
that's
in
place,
it's
done
once
and
and
there
so
like
Nas
I
share
his
optimism
that
that
won't
present
us
with
a
problem.
D
Thank
you,
I
I,
guess
the
technical
question
more
about
our
our
buildings
and
and
how
they
work.
So
in
terms
of
this
schemes
in
this
it
covers
a
lot
of
different
schools,
but
obviously
the
buildings
of
schools
can
be
in
a
number
of
different
arrangements,
so
there
are
some
that
the
building
is
owned
and
the
school
is
maintained
by
the
local
Authority
and
that's
the
case
for
many
of
our
primary
schools.
D
But
we
also
have
some
that
so
I'm
a
governor
of
a
voluntary,
aided
school
where
I,
don't
believe
the
council
and
the
building
and
the
estate
and
obviously
then,
we've
got
academies
where
they
they
own
their
own
building.
How
does
it
work
in
terms
of
this
program?
Does
this
only
apply
to
those
buildings
at
the
council
own,
or
is
it
open
to
all
those
other
different
types
of
school
as
well.
N
So
that
the
funding
so
psds
is
open
to
any
public
sector
and
who
bids
for
the
funding
I
suppose
is
different,
so
the
academy
trusts
will
have
bid
in
their
own
right
and
I
think
we
have
done
some
of
the
voluntary
aided
where
we've
worked
with
or
like
with
the
diocese
and
things
so
depending
on
the
arrangement
and
whether
we've
got
a
lease
with
the
building.
We've
worked
that
through
with
Children
Services,
but
obviously
our
Focus
has
been
on
the
schools
that
we
have
responsibility
to
maintain.
N
A
Nope,
okay,
in
terms
of
comments
and
questions
from
me,
I
was
going
to
ask
a
question
about
the
monitoring.
I
think
that's
really
impressive.
The
data
that
came
from
was
it
airbra
and
quebecs.
A
So
one
question
was:
is
that
same
level
of
data
going
to
be
able
to
be
available
from
schools?
And
then
my
other
ones
being
asked?
Oh
just
a
question
about
you
mentioned
connections
to
substations
is:
is
that
something
that's
a
potential
danger
in
terms
of
causing
delay,
or
do
you
think
it's
surmountable.
R
But
I
think
you
picked
a
really
good
point
there.
The
the
substations
are
the
critical
path,
as
we
call
it
in
in
project
management.
So
if
there's
a
site
that
doesn't
have
enough
demand,
then
you
need
to
put
a
substation
in
the
number.
Is
267
kilowatt-
kilowatts,
sorry,
yeah
KVA,
if
it
doesn't
have
that
if
it
has
more
than
that
requirement
generally,
we
need
to
put
a
substation
in.
R
We
do
work
with
Northern
power
grid
really
closely
to
try
and
negate
that
by
by
other
means,
but
generally
we
have
to
where
we
have
to
put
a
substation
that
becomes
a
six
month
timeline
and
obviously
nothing
can
happen
until
the
substation
goes
in
in
terms
of
commissioning.
What
we
do
do
is
we
work
in
parallel
and
we
make
sure
that
everything
else
goes
in.
R
R
What
what
also
happens
is
when
we
do
put
a
substation
in
is
the
school
get
an
upgrade
as
well
so
on
the
facility,
so
it's
kind
of
a
a
bonus
for
them,
because
future
upgrading,
if
they've,
got
EV
charges,
they
can
also
include
that
in
the
application
and
they'll
have
that
additional
power
where
they
need,
because
often
these
are
sites
are
on
the
borderline
of
what
capacity
they're
allowed
to
have
from
northern
power
grid.
So
it
does.
It
is
a
bonus
for
that
yeah.
What
was
that
was
another
question?
The.
R
So
the
data
that
we've
collected
from
all
the
sites,
the
schools,
the
challenge
with
the
data-
has
been
the
I.T
systems,
there's
always
firewalls
and
other
things
to
overcome,
and
so
we've
been
able
to
do
it
for
the
council
buildings,
it's
taken
a
while
to
get
through
these
firewalls
and
working
with
it
really
closely
over
over
a
period
after
the
installation,
because
initially
we
just
thought
you
could
put
a
system
in
there,
but
because
it
has
to
go
through
system
the
I.T
systems.
R
We've
now
we've
got
a
dedicated
I.T
team
working
with
us
to
get
this
online.
The
schools
have
their
own
I.T,
so
they
are
now
going
through
this
whole
the
process
of
having
the
I.T.
So
they
will
be
online.
The
energy
data
from
schools
from
the
solar,
that's
already
online,
that's
available,
and
you
can
see
all
the
generation
graphs
for
the
for
schools,
because
the
contractor
that
puts
them
in
is
called
school
for
schools
they're
already
up
and
running
with
that
system.
Well,
yes,
potentially
we
can
get
all
the
sites.
R
A
R
Yeah
some
of
the
sites
are
skeptical
when
we
come
to
them,
and
some
of
them
are
very
constrained
in
terms
of
space.
R
So
I
know
a
couple
of
sites
that
are
really
pushed
back
and
said:
oh,
we
don't
really
know
if
we
could
have
a
heat
pump
and
we
do
try
to
educate
them
and
work
with
them,
but
I
think
it's
really
important
to
get
your
involvement
to
educate
them
from
your
outside
as
well,
because
they
may
think
we're
a
bit
biased
because
we're
trying
to
drive
out
this
Net
Zero
agenda,
but
there's
a
big
benefit
to
them
one.
Is
they
get
the
infrastructure
for
almost
free?
R
So
you
know
they're
getting
state-of-the-art
heat
technology
in
for
free.
We
also
do
a
full
assessment
of
their
sites,
whether
it's
a
school
or
not,
so
they
get
an
understanding
of
where
their
systems
are
not
functioning,
maybe
in
the
optimum
way
and
there's
also
it's
a
lot
of
training
that
goes
with
it
after
we
install,
so
they
get
a
good
understanding
of
how
their
system
works
and,
and
also
it
reduces
the
energy
rules.
R
If
it's
used
in
conjunction
with
solar,
because
the
solar
offsets
the
cost
of
the
the
the
EV,
the
the
primary
objective
isn't
to
reduce
the
bills
is
to
reduce
the
carbon.
But
that's
the
second
reason
you
know:
if
it's,
if
we
sell
properly,
it
does
reduce
the
bills.
A
That's.
Take
that
message
out
can't
we
with
schools
that
we're
working
in
a
lot
of
us
are
Governors
and
work
very
closely
with
a
lot
of
skills
in
in
our
world.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
for
your
time
absolutely
fascinating
and
we
will
now
move
on
to
item
10,
which
is
our
forward
plan.
Are
you
going
to
say
something
about
that?
Polly.
N
So,
just
to
say,
we've
set
out
a
forward
plan
and
we
set
out
sort
of
on
a
meeting
by
meeting
base.
It's
trying
to
cover
adaptation
and
mitigation.
We've
also
looked
to
try
and
include
kind
of
more
external
looking.
N
So
things
like
our
anchor
partners
are
some
of
the
bigger
NEP
users
across
the
city,
the
other
public
sector
partners,
and
really
it's
just
an
opportunity
for
the
committee
to
have
a
look
at
that
proposal,
see
if
they
think
there's
anything,
that's
missing
or
if
there's
something
on
there,
that
they
think
is
of
less
interest
and
to
allow
us
to
shape
the
program
for
the
year.
N
We've
got
the
directors
again
set
out
to
come
over
the
course
of
the
year,
which
I
think
allows
us
to
keep
that
council-wide
momentum,
and
so
really
it's
just
for
feedback,
and
we
and
within
the
paper
it
just
describes
the
different
working
groups
as
well.
We
had
this
year,
we
haven't
proposed
any
changes
to
those.
They
worked
well
last
year,
but
again,
obviously
open
to
suggestions
and
thoughts
on
that.
So
really
more
for
discussion.
A
Okay,
can
I
open
it
to
a
discussion,
then
I
assume
you've
read
the
forward
plan
and
you've
seen
what's
laid
out
for
the
year.
So
if
you've
got
any
comments,
then
please
raise
your
hand.
Shall
we
start
with
councilor
McCluskey.
E
A
Well,
spotted
we'll
we'll
take
that
away.
I'm
I'm,
not
looking
right
at
my
calendar,
but
so
I
will
assume
you
are
correct
in
in
your
knowledge.
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
anybody
else.
C
Yeah
I
I've
for
about
10
years
I,
think
I've,
sat
on
the
affordable,
walk
to
committee
and
I
just
wondered
whether
because
it's
obviously
a
committee
that
looks
at
energy
issues
but
often
gets
forgotten
about
and
probably
most
councilors
here
will
know,
not
know
anything
about
it
at
all
and
I
think
it'd
be
good
because
we
didn't
actually
meet
for
about
two
years
during
the
covert
when
energy
was
perhaps
the
most
important
issue,
so
I
think
councilor
Brooks
is
the
the
chair,
but
I
think
it
might
be
good
to
involve
that
Committee
in
discussions.
A
I
And
just
a
quick
one
about
the
group's
that
the
subgroups
that
we
should
invite
all
councils
again,
because
I
think
we've
got
a
new
call
over
in
intake
of
new
councils
and
a
lot
of
the
the
councils
from
last
year
were
saying
they
won't
get
in
the
invite.
So
I
think
we
can
maybe
start
that
fresh
to
all
councilors.
A
And-
and
that's
definitely
that
I
do
believe,
Rachel
is
already
on
on
with
she's
nodding
away,
because
we
have
discussed
that
just
for
new
members,
we
have
four
working
groups
they're
listed
in
the
document,
so
I
chair,
one
on
infrastructure
planning
and
buildings
and
councilor
Anderson
chairs
biodiversity,
food
and
waste
Council
numbers
community,
business
engagement.
A
First
of
all,
to
they're
listed
three
of
you
who
agree
once
again,
my
chair,
thank
you
for
that.
Council
share
is
absolutely
right.
Any
member.
L
A
We
are
going
to
be
sending
out
an
invitation
for
people
to
sign
up
for
that,
and
it's
really
important
that
they
do
so
because
it's
at
the
working
groups
that
we
remember
really
have
the
opportunity
to
delve
in
more
detail
into
some
of
the
things
that
we
perhaps
more
briefly,
courage
all
them
to
discuss
at
these
meetings
and
also
it's
the
opportunity
for
things
to
be
Revisited.
So
you
know
we'll
invite
the
travel
plan
back
and
the
PSIs
back
to
update
us.
If.