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B
Thank
you
debbie
good
morning,
everyone.
My
name
is
councillor
amanda
carter
and
I'm
the
chairman
of
the
outer
west
community
committee.
This
is
a
special
meeting
that
we've
called
to
discuss,
bowling
greens
and
possibility
center.
B
We
are
live
streaming
so
could
you
please
ensure
that
you
put
your
microphones
on
mute
when
you're,
not
speaking,
and
I
will
take
your
questions
in
turn
as
they
come
up?
B
I'd
like
to
start
the
meeting
today
by
confirming
that
this
community
committee
meets
the
requirement
of
the
council's
constitution,
even
though
members
are
meeting
remotely
and
the
members
of
the
public
are
able
to
view
it
via
the
live
webcasting,
and
I
understand
that
last
time
we
had
118
viewers
that
we
get
a
few
more
this
time.
That
would
be
good,
wouldn't
it
let's
get
through
to
more
people.
B
Can
I
start
the
meeting
asking
attendees
to
only
speak
when
I
asked
them
to
speak,
we
do
already
have
a
vice
chairman,
which
is
davey
blackburn.
So
if
I
go
out,
if
my
wi-fi
goes,
david
blackburn
will
take
over
when
we're
having
a
vote
I'll
assume
that
your
silence
is
approval
and
if
you
have
anything
any
questions,
please
raise
your
hand
remotely.
B
Can
I
now
ask
people
to
members
to
in
to
introduce
themselves,
starting
with
councillor
peter
carhill,.
E
Yes,
I
just
went
downstairs
to
tell
david
councillor
and
blackburn
family.
B
H
I
B
I
Hi
mike
stevenson
localities
officer
for
the
outer
west
community
committee,
carl
hinchcliffe
carl's
not
attending
this
meeting
chair.
B
K
Well,
I'm
the
project,
support
officer
for
the
outer
west
area.
L
Hi
project
manager
for
the
parks
and
countryside
service.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Moving
to
the
agenda
can
I
ask
to
go
through
the
items
one
to
six.
Please
thank.
A
You
so
a
gender
item
to
agenda
item
one.
There
are
no
appeals
against
the
refusal
and
the
inspection
of
documents
agenda
item
two:
there
are
no
exempt
items
agenda
item
three.
There
is
a
late
item
and
it's
a
request
from
councillor
carter
for
one
thousand
pound
for
the
fars
live
at
home
scheme,
and
I
believe
that
is
to
the
members
for
the
carvely
farsely
award.
A
I
H
That
would
be
from
our
ring
fence
to
covid
support
money.
H
I'm
concerned
that
they're
gonna
start
struggling,
giving
the
vital
support
they're,
giving
to
elderly
people
in
in
fastly,
tysol
and
part
of
broadly
and
carvely.
Of
course,.
B
A
A
I'm
on
a
gender
item
for
chair.
Sorry,
sorry
go
on
go
on
sorry,
I'm
finished.
Could
I
ask
members
to
declare
any
disclosable
pecuniary
interests,
I'll
take
silence
as
says
none
and
I've
received
no
apologies.
A
Now
then,
we
move
on
to
agenda
item
six,
which
is
the
open
forum.
On
this
occasion,
we've
received
a
submission
from
mr
keith
warrel
who's,
the
chairman
of
leeds
parks,
veteran
association,
I'll
just
read
it
out.
So
it
is
our
association
in
total
objection
to
the
proposals
to
close
bowling
greens
in
leeds
for
years.
The
government
and
authorities
have
encouraged
mature
adults
in
x,
in
excess
of
60
to
take
more
exercise.
A
A
H
Yeah,
yes
chair,
you
recall
that
we
discussed
the
summer
bands
in
the
parks
for
next
year
and
we
asked
mike
stevenson
to
look
into
the
possibility
of
paying,
though
for
those
bands
up
front
from
anything
we
had
left
over
this
year.
In
case
we
find
ourselves
in
further
financial
restrictions.
Next
year,
I
wouldn't
have
been
any.
I
Progress
on
that
hi
councillor
carter,
yeah,
the
there's
the
sufficient
budget
in
the
well-being
fund
to
approve
to
approve
that.
So
I've
informed
alison
that
the
committee
has
approved
the
bans
for
next
year.
A
A
B
B
M
Thank
you
very
much
chair
I'd
just
like
to
give
some
background
first
in
terms
of
context,
and
then
I
will,
if
it's
okay
with
the
chair,
bringing
tony
string
willing
just
to
take
you
through
the
consultation
proposals,
so
just
for
the
benefit
of
the
public
that
are
dialing
in
just
to
give
some
context
to
to
the
financial
position
where
we
are
so.
M
M
M
M
M
M
The
council
is
actually
bringing
a
report
forward
in
december,
which
provides
an
updated
financial
position
for
next
year
and
that
will
include
the
implications
of
the
comprehensive
spending
review
and
any
further
government
announcements
and
they'll
be
reported
to
executive
board
in
december
through
and
through
the
provisional
budget
2122,
and
that
report
is
also
expected
to
include
additional
saving
proposals
as
well
being
brought
forward
to
enable
a
balanced
budget
in
2122.
M
So,
in
terms
of
the
saving
proposals,
the
saving
proposals
that
were
brought
forward
as
part
of
those
three
reports
are
categorized
as
either
business
as
usual.
Proposals
or
service
reviews
and
service
reviews
require
meaningful
consultation
and
to
of
law
service
reviews.
Are
the
closure
proposed
closure
of
the
wesley's
country
park,
visitor
centre
and
the
reduction
of
the
number
of
bowling
greens,
so
that
just
provides
some
context
to
the
situation
where
we
are
and
why
these
proposals
have
been
brought
forward.
K
K
What
we
set
out
in
the
consultation
document
is
is
some
of
the
context
that's
sean
offered,
but
also
just
to
set
the
scene
for
what
the
current
picture
is
in
leeds.
There
are
presently
62
bowling
greens
in
the
city.
Those
are
spread
city
wide,
with
26
out
of
the
33
wards
in
the
city
having
agreed,
and
we
provide
provision
for
summer
bowling
and
winter
bowling.
K
K
There
is
a
significant
cost
linked
to
delivery
of
crown
green
bowling.
It's
a
resource,
intensive
activity
for
us
to
maintain
greens,
and
so
there
is
a
a
cost
linked
to
it,
and
whilst
we
are
now
receiving
a
reasonable
level
of
income
from
bowling
provision,
it
is
accurate
to
say
that
there
is
still
a
significant
area
of
subsidy
in
terms
of
the
what
going
back
to
the
minimum
executive
board.
What
we're
asking
to
consult
on
is
is
how
that
number
of
bowling
greens
can
be
reduced
from
62
to
31.
K
What
we've
sought
to
do
then,
therefore,
within
the
consultation
paper,
is
to
set
out
some
options
for
how
that
can
be
achieved
with
the
option
available
to
all
bowling
clubs.
Should
they
wish
to
pursue,
perhaps
a
community
asset
transfer
should
they
feel
they
have
the
ability
to
maintain
their
facility
themselves.
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
we
recognize
fully
that
bowling.
K
Greens
are
a
valuable
community
asset
and
would
echo
the
the
previous
statement
that
you
read
out
chair
from
the
chair
of
the
lee's
vets
balls
association,
that
the
value
that
the
bulls
clubs
have
some
of
these
options
in
here
therefore
are
built
around
asset
transfer,
how
we
can
rationalize
the
number
of
greens
at
each
site.
There
are
sites
that
have
winter
bowling
greens,
there
are
sites
that
have
more
than
one
summer
green
and
perhaps
insufficient
members
to
justify
that
that
second
green.
K
We
also
looked
at
perhaps
and
options
around
making
some
reductions
in
line
with
bowling
green
numbers
and
participants
at
each
site
and
then
the
idea
and
concept
that
perhaps
one
of
the
options
under
consideration
could
be
the
establishment
of
hubs
in
certain
parts
of
the
city
so
that
we
cluster
facilities
together,
they're
how
we
feel
the
the
bowling
green
numbers
could
could
be
reduced
and
what
we
then
start
to
do
is
clearly
gather
as
many
views
as
possible.
As
we
can.
We
have
now
launched
an
online
consultation
document.
K
This
document,
that's
in
front
of
you
and
in
your
papers
today,
has
been
sent
to
all
bowls
club
secretaries,
as
well
as
providing
additional
copies
that
they
can
share
amongst
their
members.
And
since
we
launched
a
consultation
exercise,
we
have
a
positive
number
of
comments
and
feedback
through
that
exercise.
K
Plus
myself
and
other
officers
have
maintained,
through
this
period
of
consultation
and
active
dialogue
with
the
crown
green
bowling
associations
and
to
gain
their
views
and
to
provide
them
with
a
means
by
which
to
share
perhaps
more
informal
feedback
than
being
that
they've
been
getting
from
clubs.
So
that's
the
consultation
exercise
that
we've
launched
that
summer
and
a
quick
update
on
the
progress
we've
made
since
its
launch
and
I'll
pause
at
that
point
chair
and
invite
any.
G
Yeah,
thank
you,
chair
yeah,
just
a
couple
of
questions
so
how
many
sites
have
wintergreens.
K
Apologies
just
bear
with
me
just
looking
for
that
piece
of
information.
No.
A
G
Cool,
thank
you
and
then
just
another
question
to
sean,
probably
obviously
with
the
potential
of
reducing
your
workload,
how
many
employees
from
the
parks
department
have
taken
early
leavers
or
have
been
approved
for
early
leaders,
because
we
mentioned
that
there's
a
reduction
of
potentially
800
full-time
employees
leaving
the
you
know
the
council
come
december
january
february
next
year.
M
So
far,
three
early
leavers
have
been
approved
and
those
were
directly
linked
to
budget
actions
that
had
prior
approval.
There
are
budget
actions
in
the
papers
that
went
to
executive
board
in
september
and
october
that
do
have
staffing
implications,
but
until
those
budget
actions
are
approved,
then
we
won't
be
letting
any
further
staff
go
until
then.
D
Thanks,
I'm
referring
to
power
seven
of
the
report
where
it
looks
at
competitors
with
all
the
local
authorities.
Well,
firstly,
can
green
balling
is
a
regional
sport.
It's
like
rugby
league,
it
it
concentrated
in
the
north
of
england,
particularly
with
camping,
while
in
yorkshire,
lancashire,
staffordshire
and
chicago,
and
I
know
from
there
that
is
mentioning
comparisons
with
birmingham
and
cardiff,
where
there
is
no
tradition
of
crown
green
bowling.
I
assume
they
are
flat
greens
there,
which
are
an
entirely
different
animal
to
crown
green
bowling.
D
D
Now,
if
you
look
at
the
company
there
it
it
doesn't,
look
bad
does
it,
but
when
you
take
into
consideration
that
glasgow,
lees
and
shep
glasgow
manchester
and
sheffield
have
knocked
it
on
for
a
quarter
of
a
million
less
people
than
leeds,
then
that
component
is
not
correct.
Surely
the
competitors
should
be
the
comparator
against
the
population
and
not
how
many?
How
many
particular
greens
are
in
a
particular
area.
K
Thank
you,
council
blackburn.
I
don't
your
observations
in
terms
of
crown
green
bowling
and
flats.
I
think
it
is
likely
to
be
accurate,
but
the
information
that's
shared,
obviously
the
core
city
participation
and
call
city
facilities.
So
there
is
an
element
of
large-scale
metropolitan
authorities
that
are
looking
to
compare
with.
K
I
think
I
know
your
observations
in
terms
of
per
capita
use
that
would
come
back
to
the
situation
we
find
ourselves
at
the
minute,
which
is
there
are
1
386
bowlers
in
the
city
and
it's
looking
at
those
62
greens
based
on
that
existing
level
of
usage,
and
it's
within
that
context
that
we
are
looking
to
reduce
the
number
of
greens.
D
Yeah,
but
you
are
using
figures
there
that
aren't
as
an
example
to
justify
your
guests
that
are
not
relevant
to
what
you
are
arguing.
As
I
said,
32
greens
in
sheffield
is
equivalent
to
48
greens
elites.
You
know
I
mean
all
right.
I
still
we're
still
probably
we're
still
over
the
top
of
that.
D
K
Noted
cancer-
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
has
been
helpful
from
today
is
an
opportunity
to
get
members
view
and
the
area
committee's
view
and
while
feedback
through
the
consultation
exercise
that
we
will
should
seek
to
assess
supply
within
the
context
of
total
population
and
I'll
feed
that
back
as
a
consultation
outcome.
B
H
I
just
on
the
original
statement
from
mr
fletcher.
I
wouldn't
like
anyone
listening
to
this,
to
think
that
when
mr
flescher
quotes
a
number
of
full-time
equivalent
staff
that
we've
lost,
that
means
people
have
been
made
redundant.
In
fact,
nobody,
nobody
has
been
made
redundant.
H
All
those
staff
who
have
gone
have
volunteered
for
the
early
leavers
initiative
of,
and
that's
been
that
why
the
reduction
in
staff
has
take
taken
place.
H
Just
I
agree
entirely
with
david
comparisons
are
extremely
misleading,
and-
and
that
brings
me
on
to
the
the
first
point
I
want
to
make-
we
shouldn't
be
using
these
false
comparisons
and
when
I,
when
I
look
at
the
some
of
the
suggestions
that
have
been
put
in
the
questionnaire,
the
question
of,
for
example,
only
having
one
bowling
green
award.
H
Well,
surely
that's
completely
nonsensical.
Let's
take
the
three
wards
in
outer
west,
our
bowling
greens
are
well
spread
out.
Example,
there
is
one
in
carvely
and
one
in
fastly
there
in
in
pudsey,
and
the
pudsey
colleagues
will
comment
on
this,
but
a
similar
thing
pertains
and
in
barney
and
working
award.
So
what
you're
saying
is
that
individual
communities,
if
the
council
went
for
that
option,
would
lose
a
facility
that
is
not
accessible
to
other
people
in
the
world.
That's
quite
frankly,
wholly
unacceptable.
H
H
But
then
it
comes
to
small
things
like
this,
and
the
council
are
always
consulting
in
inverted
commerce
and
how
does
that
fit
in
with
the
council's
professed
which
for
an
active
lifestyle,
or
is
that
only
for
certain
people
and
excludes
middle-aged
to
elderly
people
and
that's
an
accusation
that
rings
very
true
and
I'm,
I
understand
the
difficulty
of
the
parts
department.
H
Let
me
make
it
quite
clear,
but
I
think
they
should
have
a
much
more
robust
response
to
the
center,
because
we've
got
another
issue
today
and
then
there'll
be
more
issues
to
come.
I'm
sure-
and
it
just
seems
to
me
that
the
people
least
able
to
to
defend
the
position,
are
the
ones
being
singled
out
for
these
sort
of
proposals,
and
I
think
it's
badly
thought
out
and
it's
completely
wrong.
K
Thank
you,
councillor
carter.
It
is
accurate
to
say
that
some
of
the
the
consultation
document
provides
scope
for
anybody,
responding
to
just
offer
their
comments
and,
through
that
process
that
marginal
social
benefit
of
bowling
has
been
articulated.
K
As
the
other
observation
you
made
in
terms
of
accessibility
being
a
key
consideration
in
any
future
level
of
service
provision
and
I'll.
Furthermore,
I'll
know
your
observations
in
terms
of
adult
and
social
care's
views
on
on,
on
the
benefit
of
crown
green
bowling.
B
I'll,
just
we'll
make
one
comment
to
support
what
you're
saying
council
andrew
carter,
many
of
the
people
who
are
playing
crown
green
bowling
are
quite
elderly.
Some
of
them
are
in
the
90s
and
they're,
not
able
really
to
write
letters,
even
write
letters,
never
mind
being
on
the
internet
and
do
the
consultations
and
they're
they're,
finding
it
very
difficult
and
they
they
feel
as
though
they're
just
being
singled
out
out
of
society.
B
E
Yes,
thank
you,
chad.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
some
details
where
it
states
in
page
16,
which
is
page
four
of
the
item,
eight,
the
top
of
the
page.
It
mentions
that
that
the
savings
would
wait
just
as
it
would,
or
it
would
also
enable
a
reduction
of
4.5
full-time
equivalent
gardeners.
E
Well,
I
want
to
know
more
about
that
is
this.
Are
these
just
gardeners
that
just
attend
to
the
bowling
greens
are?
Are
we
talking
about
equivalent
gardeners
that
that
attend
everything
on
the
parks,
because,
obviously
we
don't
want
to
lose
any
gardeners?
We
certainly
don't
want
to
lose
any
any
bowling.
Greens
either
for
comments.
E
E
E
There
is
the
winter
green
which
is
well
used
by
the
local
bowling
clubs,
but
also,
I
think
it's
beast
and
our
whole
back
come
over
because,
as
has
been
already
stated,
there's
only
a
few
winter
greens
in
all
it,
but
as
far
as
he
was
concerned,
it
was
his
life
it.
He
says
it's
not
just
a
plain
bowling:
it's
a
socialising.
E
It
says
it's
a
bowling
family
and
as
for
social
care.
E
Well
I
think
I
mentioned
this
to
the
director
of
adult
social
care,
but
when
you
do
that
these
directors
usually
bounce
it
back
at
you
that
everybody,
the
different
directors,
have
looked
at
the
different
proposals,
in
other
words,
have
swapped
the
paperwork
around
to
to
track
what
others
are
doing.
They
seem
to
think
it's.
Okay.
E
E
E
I
was
involved
then,
and
I
meet
met
with
tony
string
well
with
some
people
from
my
local
bowling
clubs
at
the
time
and
was
very
involved
with
it
as
I
this
time
and
yes,
tony
will
be
hearing
a
lot
from
me
because,
as
I
think
you've
said,
you
can't
just
because
people
are
older,
they
don't
think
that
they
don't
easily
get
at
because
there'll
be
us
people,
that's
a
bit
younger.
E
E
E
So
yes,
there
is
some
younger
people
coming
along
new
worldly
has
invited
high
schools
in
the
past
to
come
in
and
have
a
free
game,
and
that
you
know,
because
you
always
want
younger
people
to
be
involved
in
any
sport
to
keep
the
sport
going.
E
So
I
don't
know
what
miles
we're
playing
that
here,
because
it
brings
in
quite
a
bit
of
money.
They've
stated
that
and
and
if
you
do
away
with
half
of
your
greens,
then
to
me
you're
going
to
be
putting
a
lot
of
your
clubs
out
of
business
because
they
don't
just
play
amongst
themselves.
The
whole
thing
is
it's
a
competitive
sport,
and
how
can
you
compete
if
you're
gonna
do
away
with
half
your
grades,
because
a
lot
of
clubs
only
have
one
green.
E
B
E
K
Thank
you,
chad.
Thank
you,
council,
blackburn,
in
in
terms
of
the
gardeners,
what
we've
sought
to
do
is
assigned
to
each
bowling
green,
an
average
number,
because
not
each
bowling
green
is
maintained
the
same.
There
will
be
nuances
at
each
site,
but
an
average
allocation
of
person
hours
to
maintain
that
green.
K
If
we
were
to
complete
the
consultation
exercise
and
then
implement
the
decision
based
on
the
average
number
of
allotted
hours
per
green,
that
would
allow
for
4.5
members
of
staff
to
leave
the
authority
that
wouldn't
mean
that
those
other
duties
don't
take
place
counsellor.
That
would
be
duties
solely
linked
to
activities
associated
with
the
maintenance
of
crown
green
bowling
and
as
touched
on
by
sean,
and
also
the
comments
by
councillor
andrew
carter.
E
That
do
it.
I
mean
we
know
this
from
before
with
tony's
idea,
then
that
maybe
maybe
the
the
clubs
could
organize
their
own.
Putting
of
greens,
and,
as
I
said,
we
know
from
then,
and
certainly
it's
still
the
same
situation-
that
there
isn't
many
firms
that
do
it,
so
I
wouldn't
want
to.
If
those
gardeners
have
got
the
expertise,
I
think
would
be
foolish
to.
Let
them
go.
That's
it.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
council
of
atlanta.
Can
I
just
pick
up
on
a
point
that
council
on
blackburn
has
made
about
teams
playing
each
other
if
we
close
all
those
bowling
greens
or
if
the
council
closed
all
those
bowling,
greens
it'll
destroy
the
sport
altogether,
because
there'll
be
no
teams
to
play
with
okay.
I'm
now
going
to
ask
council
peter
carlill
to
come
in.
C
Thanks
chair
and
thanks
for
bringing
this
item
and
to
our
colleagues
in
parks
for
coming
to
talk
about
it,
I
I
appreciate-
and
I
have
complete
sympathy
with
them,
because
I
think
I'm
well
aware
of
the
the
real
difficult
position
the
council
is
in
financially
with
a
cut
this
year.
I
think
of
20
overall
of
the
budget
to
be
honest
on
top
of
10
years
of
reductions
that
we've
seen
so
far,
I
have
to
say
it's
a
credit
to
the
services.
C
We've
got
that
we've
got
so
far
without
these
kind
of
cuts
coming
round
again,
people
often
say
they
don't
understand.
Why
they're
seeing
these
these
kind
of
cuts
due
to
the
fact
that
they're
paying
the
same
amount
of
council
tax
as
they
were
before,
but
it
it's
quite
clear
that
obviously
the
government
are
not
providing
anywhere
near
the
amount
of
funding
that
they
used
to
provide
to
the
council
anymore,
and
that's
that's
why
these
are
coming
in.
C
So
I
do
have
sympathy
because
I'm
sure,
if
we
were
to
ask
our
colleagues
in
parks
whether
they
wanted
to
bring
this
proposal
forward,
I'm
sure
they
wouldn't.
I
think
that's
important
to
to
acknowledge
at
this
point.
C
I
had
a
couple
of
points
I
mean
one
of
them
was
a
point
already
made
by
councillor
carter
and
others
that
council
andrew
carter,
sorry
that
really
the
transport
is
a
huge
issue
in
many
of
these
areas
and
obviously
in
in
our
ward
and
I'm
sure
it
applies
to
the
others,
but
where
we're
dealing
with
separate
villages
that
are
incredibly
difficult
to
go
between
looking
a
split
between
carvalho
and
farsely,
expecting
somebody
to
find
their
way
across
the
ring
road
in
order
to
go
to
another
bowling,
green
and
reduce
to
one
per
ward,
I
think
would
be
incredibly
difficult
to
justify.
C
I
know
that
will
happen
in
many
areas
of
the
city,
but
I
think
those
locations
do
need
taken
into
consideration
when
we're
looking
at
reduction
in
numbers.
That's
more
of
a
comment
from
me
really.
I
wondered
whether
one
question
of
obviously
we've
got
community
asset
transfer.
Now,
that's
the
the
shift
of
the
entire
asset,
essentially
to
the
community,
to
look
at.
C
I
wonder
whether
there'd
been
any
thoughts
over
a
kind
of
mixed
transfer,
where
some
greens
take
on
some
responsibility
for
the
maintenance,
but
the
council
still
look
to
provide
some
of
it,
because
I
think
that
could
be
a
saving.
Obviously
we
know
the
costs
incurred
to
the
council.
Don't
match
that
funding
that
comes
back
and
that
might
be
some
way
of
meeting
the
gap.
Also
just
looking
at
the
membership,
because
tony
thanks,
you,
you
provided
me
the
membership
numbers
that
you're
working
at
for
the
greens
that
are
in.
C
I
see,
for
instance,
that
westeroid
park
in
farsley
is
noted
down
as
having
29
members.
Obviously,
one
of
the
proposals
coming
forward
is
to
reduce
those
that
have
30
members
or
fewer.
C
Can
you
can
you,
I
guess,
more
anecdotally
than
based
on
the
individual
data,
but
let
me
know
how
those
fluctuations
look
in
terms
of
the
numbers
of
members
at
clubs,
because
I
think
it
would
be
a
big
disappointment
if
we
were
to
reduce
a
club
that,
in
2019,
for
instance,
had
slightly
fewer
than
30
members.
And
now
we
find
we're
up
to
40,
45
or
or
whatever
I'd
be
interested
in
knowing
how
those
fluctuations
tend
to
look
every
year.
K
K
Participation
at
club
by
club
level
will
will
fluctuate,
there's
an
enormous
inevitability
around
that,
and
I
think
in
in
terms
of
feedback
and
for
us
to
take
forward
through
as
part
of
the
consultation
exercise,
those
clubs
that
would
be
on
the
borderline
of
the
threshold
is,
I
think,
what
you're
asking
us
to
give
due
consideration
to
and
and
recognize
that
there
may
be
scope
for
that
to
fluctuate.
K
So
we'll
recognize
that
as
being
a
factor
that
we'll
need
to
consider
in
terms
of
the
the
other
questions
that
you
that
you
posed
around
community
asset
transfer-
and
it
is
accurate
to
say
that
that
has
come
out
already
through
consultation,
to
look
at
how
that
model
could
look
to
develop.
K
I'm
anticipating
that
the
balls
associations
will
possibly
look
to
articulate
that
further.
I
think
it
could
be
feasible.
Some
practical
challenges
around
responsibilities
for
the
green
would
need
to
be
worked
through
and
I
think
or
possibly
the
building
also,
but
I
think
there
are
options
there
as
part
of
the
consultation
exercise
that
could
be
considered.
But
at
this
point
what
we're
looking
at
is
the
principle
that
bowling
clubs
take
responsibility
for
the
green
and
manage
that
facility
themselves.
C
I
mean,
I
think,
as
tony
says
there
a
lot
of
it's
going
to
be
important.
What
comes
back
in
the
consultation-
and
I
think
it's
it's
really
picking
out
the
detail
of
what
clubs
have
and
making
sure
that
if
they
have
put
options
on
the
table
that
that
may
save
the
council
money
yet
not
require
us
to
go
as
far
as
some
of
the
one-size-fits-all
policies,
I
think
they're
they're
ones.
I'd
really
want
to
look
at.
So
I'd
just
ask
that
we
can
look
at
that
in
detail
when
it
comes.
B
B
I
do
know
that
they've
got
new
committee
members
there
who
are
trying
to
regenerate
it,
they've
they're,
putting
up
a
website
and
they're
trying
to
get
younger
members
involved,
which
they
are
going
to
be
succeeding
in
and
they're
quite
hopeful
about
that.
And
secondly,
I
do
have
some
sympathy
with
the
council,
because
we've
been
hit
by
kobe,
which
is
unprecedented.
It's
never
happened
before
and
there
has
to
be
budget
cuts.
I
understand
that.
B
However,
this
is
a
question
of
priorities
and
it's
hitting
the
most
vulnerable
people
in
our
society,
the
elderly
who
have
given
so
much
in
their
lives,
and
it's
now
their
turn
to
have
something
back
from
us.
B
It.
It
staggers
me
that
you
know
you
that
it's
a
here's,
a
question
of
priorities.
There
are
other
things
that
could
be
looked
at.
Millions
of
pounds
have
been
spelled
in
other
areas,
and
this
is
a
relatively
small
amount
of
money
for
people
who
have
given
so
much
in
their
lives
now
and
it's
their
turn
to
receive
something.
N
Chair
so
going
back
to
one
of
peter's
points,
I'm
a
little
bit
disappointed
when
we're
supposed
to
be
working
cross
party
to
get
a
little
bit
of
a
digging.
So
that's
disappointing,
especially
when
the
administration
we
know
are
spending
money
on
on
other
things
that
aren't
necessarily
valid.
N
So
I
I
go
back
to
best
city.
We
want
to
be
best
city,
we
want
to
be
active,
leads
and
yet
we're
taking
away,
possibly
or
trying
to
take
away,
possibly
the
only
form
of
exercise
that
a
lot
of
these
people
can
get
to
a
lot
of.
It
is
the
more
elderly,
the
more
retired,
the
more
genteel
people.
There
are
also
a
lot
of
younger
people,
a
lot
of
disabled
people.
N
My
my
own
ex-husband
was
leeds
parks
champion
at
western
flats
when
he
was
22.,
so
you
know
it,
it
does
go
back.
There's
a
great
history
in
leeds
there's,
a
great
pride.
N
N
I
think
there
are
more
questions
aimed
at
who
you
are
and
what
you
are
than
there
is
about
what
you
want,
which
I
think
is
that's
shameful.
If
we
were
talking
about
cycle
lanes
and
football
pitches,
would
we
be
in
this
position?
I
don't
honestly
think
so.
N
Well,
one
thing
that
I
think
has
been
overlooked
entirely
rather
than
saying
we
need
to
save
money.
Let's
reduce
the
pictures.
The
number
of
pitches
has
anybody
thought
about
a
membership
drive.
I
know
councillor
andre
amanda
carter
has
just
said
about.
Westeroid
are
starting
that.
Why
hasn't
that
been
thought
of?
Why
not
increase
the
money
coming
in
rather
than
automatically
just
think,
let's
close
it
down
because
they
aren't
generating
enough
money.
N
K
J
You
chair,
I'm
not
going
to
reiterate
so
many
of
the
things
that
have
already
been
said,
but
I
was
wanting
to
concentrate
really
on
finding
out
the
difference
between
the
wintering
the
summer
green
provision
and
also
I'd
like
to
well
basically
support
what
council
smith
has
just
said
about
the
idea
of
actually
trying
to
increase
participation,
especially
for
this,
an
older
age
group
and
the
importance
of
that
in
terms
of
health
and
well-being,
and
some
support
to
be
put
in
for
that
and
wonder
whether
there
are
other
provision
that
could
be
put
in
for
winter
bowling
actually
inside
my
father
used
to
do
that
many
years
ago.
J
So
I
don't
really
want
to
spend
much
more
time
so
repeating
any
of
the
other
things
that
have
been
said,
but
I'd
be
interested
to
know
what
the
difference
is
between
winter
and
summer
that
provision
in
terms
of
cost
and
also
participation.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you,
counselor,
the
the
difference
between
winter
and
summer
provision
is
that
the
the
green
is
effectively
not
used
through
the
summer,
which
means
it
is
in
a
good
state
to
sustain
winter
bowling.
K
Anybody
who
is
included
within
that
1390
bowlers
in
leeds
is
able
to
access
those
wintergreens
at
the
various
locations
in
which
they're
placed,
but
it
is
a
simple
counter
as
having
green
stock
that
are
available
to
bowl
through
the
winter
and
inevitably
once
you
then
move
towards
the
start
of
the
bowling
season
in
march.
That
wintergreen
is
likely
to
be
in
a
rundown
condition.
K
Following
winter
bowling,
the
authority
does
still
have
a
indoor
bowling
facility.
It
is
flat
located
at
the
john
charles
center
for
sport,
so
there
is
indoor
provision
already
available
through
the
winter.
Should
people
choose
to
use
it?
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you.
I've
now
got
council
david
blackburn
and
then
councillor
harrison.
D
Thanks
chair
just
coming
back
going
back
to
this
idea,
they
have
about
one
per
ward.
I'll
just
make
a
point
here:
we've
got
three
bowling
greens
in
off
free
bowling,
well,
three
bowling
clubs
in
our
world,
new
family
western
flats,
and
we
acquired
new
worklet
in
2005.,
I'm
just
illustrating
how
silly
it
is
to
start
thinking
about
walls.
D
Since
local
government,
reorganization
in
1973,
new
worldly
bowling
club
has
been
in
emily
and
castleton
ward,
it's
been
in
city
in
old
bay
world
and
since
since
2005
this
has
been
in
outborn
and,
quite
honestly,
we
probably
a
lot
quicker
than
we
have
done
in
the
past.
We're
going
to
have
to
have
another
boundary
change,
but
number
of
houses
the
the
duty
to
build,
and
it
may
well
finish
up
in
another
world.
So
the
fact
is
it's.
D
The
balling
clubs
are
where
the
parks
are
and
the
lines
and
the
walls
are
dependent
on
where
we
draw
the
line.
The
lines
so
saying
one
per
ward
is
not
not
the
way
it
should
be
bowling.
Greens
per
community
and
not
not
per
ward
on
the
other
thing
as
well,
is
well.
I'm
vigilant,
which
isn't
mentioned
here,
and
I
I
do
this
from
the
knowledge
of
my
former
chairmanship
of
green
leads
certain
assets
impacts.
D
In
fact,
a
lot
of
capital
money
for
assets
comes
from
other
sources
than
general
council
money,
and
a
lot
over
the
years
has
come
from
landfill
tax,
which
was
the
green
league's,
bifford
award
care
garden,
which
councillor
carter
used
to
sit
on
and
various
other
things,
and
as
part
of
that,
the
council
have
a
duty
to
to
maintain
that
and
if
they
cease
to
use
it,
there
are
circumstances
in
which
that
money
may
be
reclaimable.
By
entering
the
regulator.
D
Our
view
looks
at
the
actual
costs
of
the
council
of
actually
shutting
down
greens
and
fun.
I
think,
and
finally,
the
other
thing
is
is
you're.
Talking
about
saving.
Was
it
80
000?
Is
it
a
year
now
does
that
is?
Is
there
any
costs
involved
taken
out
of
that
for
the
maintenance
of
the
land
that
you're
going
to
take
out
of
bowling.
K
Greens,
thank
you,
council
blackburn.
The
paper
that
went
to
executive
board
did
make
reference
to
the
point
that
you
raise,
which
is
what
should
should
the
decision
be
taken
to
close
agreeing?
What
what
would
we
do?
K
Some
allowance
has
been
made
to
re-landscape
into
the
parkland
that
bowling
green,
should
the
decision
be
taken
to
close
it
and
we
haven't
taken
any
of
those
decisions
at
this
point,
therefore,
we
haven't
costed
the
any
of
those
sites,
because
we
haven't
made
any
determination
on
what
those
sites
would
be
in
terms
of
your
observations
regarding
end
trust
and
the
possible
possibility
that
certain
greens
may
have
received
funding
and
I'm
happy
to
take
that
away
and
to
do
that
piece
of
due
diligence
should
we
conclude
following
the
end
of
consultation,
that
the
right
course
of
action
is
indeed
to
implement
closures.
D
It's
just
another
point
as
well,
and
I
know
this
relates
to
to
to
new
worldly
bowling
club,
and
I
don't
know
if
it
relates
to
anywhere
else
but
doug
before
we
retired
was
doing
some
conservation
projects
all
of
the
conservation
projects
around
the
bowling
greens
between
the
fence
and
and
the
path
around
the
bowling,
and
I
know
what
we
would,
what
we
were
trying
to
do
and
it
might
have
not
worked
because,
as
I
said,
I
haven't
heard
all
since
doug
retired.
D
What
introducing
plants
into
edge
edges
at
bowling
things
and
reintroducing
the
tansy
beetle,
which
is
a
a
natural
beetle
from
from
west
right
in
new
york.
How
we
made
sure
that
we
are
not
proposing
to
do
anything
that
would
affect
any
of
that
conservation
work
if
it's
still
still
going
on.
K
I'm
not
close
to
the
detail
on
what
I
assume
it's
doug
douglas
you're,
referring
to
council
blackburn,
I'm
not
sure
this
site
that
doug
was
working
on,
but
I
can
take
that
away
as
an
action
to
see
which
side
in
particular
doug
had
focused
on
to
to
just
repeat
my
previous
point
at
this
point.
Obviously,
we've
only
got
a
consult
approval
from
executive
board
to
consult,
so
we
haven't
made
any
decisions
on
any
green
closures.
K
B
F
My
question
is
to
tony
you
seem
very
good
on
doing
all
this
consultation.
Have
you
done
any
consultations
on
which
has
just
been
brought
up,
but
once
you
have
changed
these
bowling
greens
back
into
whatever
you're
going
to
change
them
into?
How
much
is
it
going
to
cost
to
actually
upkeep
that
land?
Because
surely
that
upkeep
has
to
be
done
by
somebody?
F
So
why
can't
not
that
person
upkeep
a
flat
piece
of
land,
because
surely
that
would
be
cheaper
than
upkeeping
a
piece
of
land
that
you're
gonna
have
to
one
re
remodel,
which
is
gonna
cost
money
to
remodel,
to
rip
the
ground
up?
To
put
the
plants
in
to
put
the
walls
in
then
you're
going
to
need
a
gardener
to
look
after
that
piece
of
land.
F
So
surely
the
sensible
idea
would
be
to
leave
it
as
a
flat
piece
of
grass
because
in
my
eyes
it's
a
case
of
spiking
it
feeding
it
and
cutting
it,
which,
in
short,
is
a
lot
easier
than
cutting
trees.
Cutting
bushes
because
cutting
a
bush
takes
a
good
25
30
minutes,
30
bushes
per
plot
of
land
you're.
Looking
it's
probably
going
to
cost!
You
more
to
run
the
land,
that's
not
a
boiling
green!
Then
it
is
a
boring
green.
F
That's
point
one
and
point
two
just
to
literate
for
everybody
else
that
has
said
that
older
people
do
not
have
the
facilities
to
get
around
town.
Yes,
you
can
say,
there's
a
bus,
but
when
you've
got
somebody
that
can
walk
10
15
minutes
to
go
to
a
bowling
green
to
access
their
exercise
and
there's
nothing
else
around
for
them
to
do.
Then
what
you
need
to
be
doing
is
looking
at
the
cost
per
head,
because
I'm
pretty
sure
the
cost
per
head
for
the
cycle.
K
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you
councillor
harrison,
so
I
I
I
won't
repeat
the
comment
I
made
previous
to
council
blackburn,
because
obviously
I've
come
back
to
that
point
that
we
haven't
made
decisions
on
closures.
The
ideal
scenario
would
be
for
us
to
get
to
a
position.
K
Should
we
pursue
a
closure
council
harrison
where
the
green
is
landscaped
back
into
the
park
and
would
be
cut
by
a
ride
on
right
on
mower
as
the
rest
of
the
grounds
around
it
are
cut,
and
I
know
your
observations
in
terms
of
the
respective
times
needed
to
cut
certain
assets
and
certain
features,
but
it
is
the
case
for
the
bowling
green.
They
is
very
labor
intensive.
K
I
H
You
chair
yeah,
that's
been
a
very
interesting
debate
like
councillor
smith.
I'm
sorry
that
peter
carlill
introduced
politics
into
it
and
whilst
I
accept
that
there's
undoubtedly
been
significant
cuts
to
local
government
funding,
the
impression
that
somehow
leeds.
H
Has
been
unable
to
support
these
these
sort
of
of
facilities,
it's
completely
wrong
as
it's
on
the
exact
board.
I'll
give
you
an
example.
At
the
last
meeting,
we've
been
being
told
consistently
throughout
covid.
That
leads
would
probably
not
be
able
to
deliver
a
balanced
budget
in
this
financial
year.
H
The
last
executive
board,
all
of
a
sudden,
as
if
by
magic,
25
million
pounds
has
been
identified
that
had
never
been
brought
before
the
board
before
as
a
possible
source
of
revenue
and
all
of
a
sudden,
we
have
a
balanced
budget
and
the
council
are
getting
into
the
position
where
they
cry
wolf
once
too
often,
and
what
undoes
the
whole
argument
about
cuts
is
that
these
proposals
are
not
new
they've,
been
coming
backwards
and
forwards
to
the
council
for
20
years,
and
then
you,
you
reach
the
conclusion
where
you
think
there's
a
list
somewhere
in
leeds
civic
hall
of
the
savings
officers
of
the
council
want
to
make
and
every
time
they
turn
down,
they
don't
tear
them
up.
H
Are
you
telling
me
that
that
is
more
important
when
it
could
easily
be
funded
by
the
private
sector
and
by
the
arts
lobby
that
has
been
extremely
well
funded
by
the
government
through
this
covid
process,
without
four
million
pounds
of
council
taxpayers
money?
That
would
make
it
completely
unnecessary
to
close
these
bowling
greens
and
indeed,
a
whole
string
of
other
things
as
well.
H
It
just
strikes
me
there's
always
money
there
when
certain
people
want
to
spend
it
on
on
grandiose
schemes,
but
when
it
comes
down
to
maintaining
basic
services,
oh
well,
it's
the
government
cuts
rubbish,
it's
prioritization
and
it's
time
we
all
stood
up.
You
look
at.
What's
I'm
sorry
to
go
on,
but
this
is
really
annoying.
Look
at
what's
being
spent
in
temple
museum
in
east,
leeds
millions
of
pounds
on
new
projects
that
the
parks
department
no
will
not
make
money
and
will
cost
money.
H
And
we
should
be
saying
so
and
I'd
like
to
move
chair,
that
we
inform
the
chief
exec
and
the
director
of
finance
and
the
administration
that
we
find
these
proposals
on
bowling.
Greens
wholly
unacceptable
and
ask
them
to
rethink
them.
And
I
would
like
to
move
that.
N
B
Well,
it
sounds
like
we
have
a
proposal,
and
are
you
seconding
that
counselor
smith
I
will
chair?
Thank
you
now
I
realize
that
there
are
other
people
wanting
to
speak,
but
yeah
is
everybody
happy
with
that.
B
C
I'll
abstain
from
that.
I
want
to
see
what
comes
out
in
the
consultation
on
this
and
I'm
sure
we'll
continue
having
conversations
after.
B
B
K
A
K
M
Oh
she's
dropped
out,
but
what
I
can
do
is
she
can
sit
on
my
computer
actually.
L
Hi,
sorry
about
that
everybody
literally
my
screen
just
froze
as
you
hand
it
over
to
me,
but
hopefully
you
can
hear
me
fine
now.
So
basically,
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
proposal
to
close
at
the
westley's
country
park
visitor
centre.
So
I'm
sure
you
all
know
it,
but
just
in
case
there's
anyone
listening
who
doesn't
know
it.
L
It's
a
small
zoo
based
in
pudsey
park
and
the
idea
of
it
is
to
introduce
people
to
local
wildlife
and
habitats,
and
so
it
includes
lots
of
information
panels
about
the
wildlife
of
west
leeds
and
a
range
of
local
native
wildlife
like
rabbits
fish
and
birds.
L
So
people
can
see
up
close
the
kind
of
wildlife
that
lives
in
west
leeds.
L
So
the
proposal
is
to
close
the
building
on
the
one
next
to
it,
which
is
a
greenhouse
containing
a
range
of
temperate
on
tropical
plants
that
people
can
have
a
look
around
with
the
idea
of
saving
90
000
pounds
a
year
for
the
council.
L
So
there
are
two
options:
if
the
buildings
are
closed,
one
is
to
simply
demolish
them
and
put
a
new
parkland.
So
you
know
grass
trees.
That
kind
of
thing
integrate
them
into
the
park
and
in
the
proposal
there
is
also
a
suggestion
for
people
to
comment
on
as
to
whether
we
should
look
at
replacing
it
with
a
cafe,
subject
to
a
business
case,
because,
of
course
we
need
to
make
those
90
000
pounds
worth
of
savings,
and
the
cafe
would
replace
the
visitor
center
basically
have
a
terrace
overlooking
the
park.
L
It
would
contain
public
toilets
that
people
could
use
when
it
was
open
and
it
would
be
able
to
retain
some
of
the
elements
of
the
west
leeds
country
park
visitor
centre.
So
those
information
panels
could
remain
so.
Basically
we're
just
here
today
to
see
your
comments
as
part
of
the
consultation
on
those
proposals
so
closing
the
visitor
center.
F
Yes-
and
I've
spoke
about
this
before,
however,
a
thought
that
has
crossed
my
mind
is:
why
can
it
not
be
a
visitor
center
and
a
cafe,
the
fish
tanks
could
be
kept.
F
The
rabbit
area
could
be
turned
into
a
small
cafe
if
you
get
a
business
sense
and
you
could
keep
both,
because
I
probably
think
that
the
vast
majority
of
the
costs
are
coming
from
the
greenhouse.
That
has
to
be
heated,
because
it's
a
vast
vast
area
that
has
to
be
heated,
and
I
think
that's
where
the
vastness
of
the
cost
is
coming
from.
Could
we
have
a
breakdown
of
how
much
it
costs
to
run
each
of
the
two
units?
F
Then
we
know
where
that
money's
actually
going,
because
if
it
is
the
greenhouse,
that's
costing
more
to
run
then
fair
enough,
let's
shut
the
greenhouse
down,
then
we
can
still
keep
the
visit
center
with
a
cafe
and
toilets
built
into
it,
because
that
front
area
that
is
for
the
rabbits,
could
easily
be
made
into
a
small
cafe,
which
means
the
center
will
then
be
making
money
that
should
run
its
costs.
Thank
you.
L
Just
so
you
know
the
savings
that
we've
put
down
for
the
90
000
pounds
are
the
cost
of
the
animal
keepers,
the
care
of
the
animals,
so
veterinary
fees
and
stuff
like
that
and
the
costs
of
running
the
buildings,
so
electricity
and
water
and
stuff
like
that.
So
we
could
definitely
look
at
your
suggestion
that
we
combine
a
cafe
and
the
visitor
attraction.
Obviously,
there'd
have
to
be
a
business
case
for
that.
G
Yeah,
thank
you
chair
regarding
the
consultation.
It's
not
exactly
really.
A
G
Where
you're
suggesting
you're
getting
this
money
from
for
the
cafe,
it's
like
basically
saying
vote
for
me
and
I'll
pay
in
the
payments
of
pudsey
gold.
You
know
first
initial
you've
just
mentioned
that
you
were
going
to
landscape
the
area,
but
actually
in
the
consultation,
you're
dangling
the
current
saying
we're
going
to
build
a
cafe
in
that
place.
G
So
the
consultation
is,
as
I've
said
before,
is
not
true
again
you're
asking
more
questions
about
the
race
age,
demographic
than
actually
questions
about
the
consultation
and
I
think
you're
just
trying
to
pull
the
wool
over
people's
eyes
by
saying
look,
you
know
if
it
goes
we're
going
to
put
caffeine
there,
but
you
keep
saying
that
potentially
due
to
budgets,
but
there's
nothing
identified
for
that.
So
I
think
the
consultation
is
a
it's
fake.
Tell
you
true.
E
At
night,
the
the
post
hill
group
used
to
meet
there,
but
when
duggard
left
the
the
couldn't
the
the
meet
at
a
chapel
now,
but
I
find
we
talk
about
the
tropical
plant
area,
but
when
my
step-daughter
and
my
son
were
children,
they
loved
going
in
there,
they
was
quite
intrigued
with
the
banana
plants
and
it
it
is
good
for
young
children
to
be
able
to
go
somewhere
that
isn't
too
far
away.
E
At
that
time,
my
mother
and
father-in-law
actually
lived
a
walk
away
from
pudsey
park.
So
when
we
went
to
see
them
used
to
go
up
there
and
we
used
to
look
around
there,
we
used
to
see
the
birds
etc.
E
It
was
in
our
mind,
a
I
won't
say
like
roundy,
but
certainly
it
wasn't
just
like
the
local
parks.
Having
this
attraction
used
to
get
a
lot
of
people
going
a
lot
of
people
taking
the
children
there,
they
could
get
an
ice
cream.
There
was
a
an
ice
cream
kiosk
there
somewhere
and
part
of
the
attraction.
E
You
know
the
animals
that
they
put
in
inside
there,
and
if
you
take
that
away,
then
I
think
you're
just
making
the
park
equivalent
to
like
the
parks
in
my
water,
which
are
very
nice
parks,
but
they
are
parts
with
the
playground
and
just
no
other,
no
other
attractions
other
than
playgrounds,
obviously
tennis
courts
and
such
things,
but
no
visitor
center,
and
I
think
we
should
be
teach
we
should
have
somewhere
where
the
local
children
can
go
and
the
schools
contact
them
to
learn
about
various
plants
and
animals
and
stuff,
and
that's
what
it
was
there
for
take
that
away.
E
Then,
as
I
said,
you're
just
making
it
into
inverted
commas
like
most
of
the
other
parts
are
so
I
think
it
to
me.
It
would
be
really
sad
if
we
did
that.
I
couldn't
vote
in
favor
of
that.
It's
not
in
my
world
no,
but
it's
there
to
cover
all
three
words
and
it
is
part,
as
has
been
stated
of
the
the
westlakes
country
park.
E
If
it's
teaching
children
about
animals
bird
plants,
then
that
can
only
be
a
good
thing
and
it's
schools
getting
the
kids
out
to
see
these
things
as
well
and
it's
local.
It
means
they
don't
have
to
go
trail
into
other
parks,
the
other
side
of
the
city
we
have.
Yes,
we
do
have
another
facility
where
they
don't
have
hot
house
plants,
but
it's
not
in
my
sleeps
it's
miles
away.
So
what
on
earth
you
know,
I
I
and
this
idea
of
putting
the
cafe
there
well.
E
Why
is
totally
stupid
to
me
because
this
there's
a
perfectly
two
or
three
perfectly
good,
cafes,
more
less
next
to
where
the
park
is
so
why
would
you
necessarily
go
in
the
pack?
E
You
know
you
might
go
for
an
ice
cream,
but
there's
an
asking
parlor
section
there
anyway,
but
I
just
don't
think
a
cafe
would
would
take
off
there
really.
E
So
I
think
that's
a
bonkers
idea
and
there's
no
there's
no
money
there
to
do
it,
and
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
ask
is
what
is
going
to
happen
to
these
animals,
because
you
don't
say
that
you
you're
going
to
move
them
because
you
say
you're
wanting
to
save
on
that's
bills,
so
that
says
to
me
that
you're
going
to
let
them
go
elsewhere,
I'll
put
them
down
or
something,
and
you
know
as
an
animal
lover
that
really
does
annoy
me
with
just
to
use
animals
like
that.
E
B
Thank
you,
castlevan.
That's
a
very
valid
point
about
the
animals
things,
that's
something
that
we're
all
concerned
about.
Could
I
ask
you
to
comment
on
that?
Please.
L
Hi,
yes,
fair
point
about
the
animals
as
you're
aware:
we've
got
a
number
of
zoos
in
leeds.
We've
got
tropical
world
and
loviton
hall
as
well,
and
we've
also
got
the
farm
at
temple
museum.
So
we
will
look
to
rehouse
the
animals
at
those
locations
or
if
we
can't
house
them
there,
we've
got
there's
a
network
of
zoos
across
the
country
that
swap
animals
for
breeding
and
there's
lots
of
rules
and
regulations
around
animals
that
you
keep
in
zoos
so
that
you
do
protect
their
welfare.
E
E
L
E
M
M
Yeah,
so
for
clarification,
councillor,
blackburn
emma's,
quite
right
we
do
have.
We
are
a
member
of
the
the
as
a
zoological.
Society
allows
us
to
have
an
exchange
between
zoos,
nationally
and
internationally,
but
we
also
have
two
zoos
and
the
facilities
at
temple
news
and
with
home
farm.
The
the
actual
cost
of
running
the
visitor
center
is
greater
than
the
90
thousand
pound
serving.
I
think
it's
something
like
93
000
off
the
top
of
my
head.
M
We
haven't
got
the
figures
exactly
from
the
mix-up
swaps
offices,
so
we
have
made
provision
for
some
additional
costs
of
moving
the
animals
also
by
having
the
animals
on
sites
where
we
have
existing
staffing,
you
will
gain
efficiencies
in
terms
of
their
welfare,
because
their
welfare
of
the
collection
spread
between
those
other
sites
is
a
small
proportion
of
somebody's
work,
as
opposed
to
having
to
specifically
deploy
keepers
to
where
to
to
the
wesley's
country
park
business
center.
M
B
D
Thanks
cheer
I'll
ask
a
similar
question
to
they
asked
before
on
this
one.
I
know
a
substantial
amount
of
money
was
paid
to
the
west
lee's
country
park
for
various
projects
and
some
of
them
I
think,
connected
with
the
visitor
center
again.
Are
we
checking
out
with
entrance
that
there's
nothing?
We
have
to
pay
back,
because
if
he
is,
then
it
puts
your
figures
out
and
secondly,
one
of
the
functions
of
the
visitor
center,
which
isn't
mentioned
in
report,
was
about
species
diversity
locally.
D
B
M
Yeah,
I
mean
I'll
just
come
back
on
that
council
blackburn,
I
mean
we.
We
undertake
quite
a
large
amount
of
conservation
work
with
partners
regarding
animal
species
and
habitats,
and
we
will
continue
to
do
that
moving
forward
and
we
will
take
your
points
that
you
raised
regarding
your
comments
regarding
the
visitor
center
and
the
grant
funding
bodies
as
part
of
the
consultation.
Thank
you.
J
If
this
year
has
taught
us
anything,
it's
that
nothing
really
stays
the
same,
and
we've
really
got
to
work
within
that.
Clearly,
financially,
the
council
is
in
the
position.
It
is
a
a
lot
of
it
to
do
with
the
covert
emergency,
but
can
I
just
say
that
we're
also
in
a
climate
emergency,
and
perhaps
we
need
to
be
quite
ambitious
and
really
think
outside
the
box
here.
J
J
We've
already
got
tropical
world
and
we
have
got
loverton
hall.
Perhaps
we
could
be
very
ambitious
and
think
about
something
further.
That
is
actually,
if
you
like
thinking
around
the
climate
emergency,
so
my
question
really
is
whether
there
are
any
ambitious
business
case
plans
that
would
enable
us
to
do
this.
I'm
not
thinking
about
anything
as
big
as
the
asian
project,
of
course,
but
there
are.
There
are
examples
elsewhere
and,
as
I
said
before,
we
even
started
this
meeting.
J
We
visited
the
area
yesterday,
which
is
successful
financially
and
in
many
other
ways
as
well.
So
I
wonder
whether
sure
one
would
like
to
is
able
to
sort
of
answer
that
point
and
discuss
about
what
this,
what
the
potential
would
be
for
an
ambitious
business
case.
M
You're
happy
to
respond.
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
Councillor
for
safe,
we'll,
we'll,
certainly
note
your
comments
as
part
of
the
consultation
with
regard
to
specific
business
cases
for
looking
at
centers
such
as
well
I'll.
Take
your
example
like
the
eden
project
conservation
project.
I
know
you
didn't
mean
it
on
that
scale.
We've
not
actually
developed
any
business
cases
at
this
moment
on
time.
We
are
actually
waiting
to
undertake
till
the
consultation
ends
before
we
do
the
next
phase
of
the
evaluation
and
and
and
make
recommendations
moving
forward.
B
N
N
I
am
concerned
that
the
proposal
has
been
put
forward
in
such
a
manner
that
you
know
we
may
have
a
cafe.
We
may
have
this.
We
may
have
that
with
no
real
business
case
or
no
real
understanding
of
what
is
actually
needed.
N
I'll
go
back
to
councillor
david
blackburn's
point
about
two
things
that
we're
discussing
today
and
nobody's
thought
to
look
into
the
situation
with
regards
to
prior
funding
and
and
and
what
that
might
mean
if
there
are
any
repayments
etc
like
that,
and
I
wonder
how
these
things
actually
come
about,
it's
almost
as
though
it
is
plucked
out
of
the
air
as
a
as
a
quick
win
without
any
due
diligence
done
at
all.
N
N
You
know
our
public
money,
you
know
we
should
have
been
consulted
on
this
before
it
was
ever
gone
to
to
the
public
realm,
which
we
weren't
and
I'm
very
disappointed
in
that
and
to
be
told
by
one
of
the
officers
that
it
wasn't
necessary
for
us
to
actually
even
be
consulted
was,
you
know,
quite
frankly,
just
wrong,
but
we
are
where
we
are
and
we
need
to
try
and
find
a
way
forward.
So
you
know
we
we've
lost
our
petting
zoo
in
recent
years.
N
You
know,
we've
got
a
great
history
in
the
wesley
visitor
center.
It's
our
point
of
difference,
as
has
been
pointed
out,
so
let's
improve
it.
Let's
do
a
little
bit
of
spent
to
save
you
know.
Let's,
let's
have
a
small
admission
charge,
perhaps
let's
think
of
other
ways
we
can
generate
income
from
the
building.
You
know
let
again,
let's
not
just
say,
that's
it.
N
It's
costing
us
money,
it's
got
to
go,
let's
think
about
it
differently,
and
I
understand
that
we
are
in
consultation,
but
equally
the
consultation
doesn't
realistically
allow
anybody
to
get
any
of
those
points
across
and
again
again
the
consultations
are
being
done.
Online
which
immediately
discounts
an
awful
lot
of
people's
voices,
so
you
know
I.
N
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
stop
what
we're
doing
at
the
moment-
and
I
know
this
this
time
pressing
tight,
it's
time
sensitive,
there's
time,
pressing
matters,
but
I
do
think
that
these
are
two
very
small
amounts
of
money.
In
the
grand
scheme
of
things
I
do
think
they
are
very,
very
harmful
to
the
west
of
the
city,
especially
putty,
and-
and
I
honestly
think
that
we
just
need
to
stop
these
think
about
it
properly.
If,
if
it's
necessary
to
to
keep
say
with
the
savings,
then
we
stop,
we
think
about
it.
B
Achieved
thank
you.
Can
I
ask
mr
fresh
to
come
into
that
place.
M
Thank
you,
council
smith.
We
will
certainly
take
the
points
that
you've
raised
as
part
of
feedback
for
the
consultation.
Thank
you
for
that.
L
Can
I
just
say
that
the
people
are
able
to
respond
on
paper
to
the
consultation
in
the
park?
We've
put
up
some
posters
with
the
phone
number
on
that
you
can
ring.
So
if
you're
not
online,
you
can
ring
that
number
and
we'll
post
out
a
paper
version
of
the
consultation.
N
F
B
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
concerns
me
there
is
is
the
comment
that
counselor
trish
smith,
made
about
the
local
councils
not
being
consulted
first
is
very
concerning
because
they
are
there
to
represent
the
people
of
pudsey
and
they
should
have
been
the
first
plot
of
carl
okay.
So
can
I
take
council
theory
now,
please.
G
Yeah,
thank
you,
chair
yeah.
Thank
you,
councillor,
smith,
for
quite
a
few
of
those
points.
I
didn't
say
them
well
myself,
but
you
know
we
look
at
the
the
cost
saving
of
potentially
93
000
pounds.
The
breakdown
is
what
sixty
four
thousand
pounds
out
of
wages.
G
G
So
I
query
that
that
wage
query
in
the
sales
savings,
but
if,
if
it's
that
big,
have
we
not
thought
about
creating
a
friends
group
that
could
help
them
promote
and
and
look
after
them
as
well?
I
appreciate
we've
still
got
the
vets
and
the
suicide
to
manage.
Have
we
not
gone
out
and
looked
external
funding,
you
know
there
must
be
things
out
there,
because
it
must
be
ticking
lots
of
boxes
with
green
spaces
and
and
things
like
that
and
education
and
children.
G
You
know-
and
I
think
it's
disappointing-
that
he's
come
to
this
consultation
without
exploring
all
these
options
and
talking
to
all
the
local
councillors
about
what
we
should
be
doing.
It's
again,
it's
like
the
bowling
dreams.
We
should
be
celebrating
what
we've
got
promoting.
What
we've
got.
I've
never
seen
a
campaign
to
drive
bowling
yeah.
G
You
know
we're
not
pushing
it
through
doctors,
we're
not
pushing
it
on
social
media
yeah,
we're
advertising
that
we're
planting
trees,
but
you
know
we're
not
good
at
selling
what
we've
got
as
leads
yeah
we're,
not
very
business
wise.
You
know
we
should
be.
We
are
a
business,
we're
a
massive
business
really
and-
and
we
should
be-
you
know-
yes,
we've
got
to
protect
the
bottom
line
and
we
should
be
looking
else.
Certainly,
instead
of
doing
this
consultation,
we
should
have
explored
all
these
options
before
we've
even
took
it.
This
far.
Thank
you.
M
No
thank
you
other
than
we
will
not
cancel
the
series
comments
as
part
of
the
consultation.
Thank
you.
H
Yes,
thank
you
justly
seems
like
same
old
same
old
as
they
say
the
game
was
given
away.
I
think
really,
I'm
sorry
to
say
when
it
was
suggested
that
the
the
animals
would
be
transferred
to
love
it.
No
temple
news
and.
H
Again,
east
leeds
now
love
it
and
and
temple
news
are
wonderful
assets
for
the
city,
but
west
leeds
punty
park
has
always
been
throughout
my
lifetime
and
before
the
premier
park
in
the
west
of
the
city,
people
who
lived-
and
it's
been
confirmed
by
david
blackman,
in
particular
people
in
the
west
of
the
city
of
leeds,
even
before
local
government
reorganization,
when
we
have
borough,
visited
pudsey
park
as
a
in
the
olden
days
as
a
day
out.
But
now
just
as
a
visit
and
certainly
the
last
statistics.
H
It
runs
from
kirkstall
through
to
carvely
and
it
runs
from
effectively
armley
family
and
worldly,
through
pudsey
and
and
then
would
see.
If
you
like
is
the
the
apex.
H
The
environmental
benefits
are
massive
and
for
the
loss
of
this
center
and
just
to
turn
it
into
another.
Cafe.
It's
simply
not
on
and
trish
smith
said
this
should
be
paused.
We
should
look
at
it
properly
and
holistically
and
how
it
can
be
of
more
benefit
to
the
people
of
west
leeds
in
particular,
but
also
the
whole
of
the
city.
H
You
need
to
go
away
and
look
at
what
can
be
done
to
promote
and
enhance
this
visitor
center
and
to
get
more
people
to
explore
and
walk
around
the
west
leeds
country
park,
and
it's
not
on
for
us
to
have
these
persistent
reviews
of
what
few
assets
we
have
left
in
the
west
of
the
city.
It
isn't
simply
isn't
on
and
this
needs
rethinking.
H
I
I
just
think.
Well,
I
don't
know
whether
you
want
a
resolution
or
somebody
else
wants
to
move
on,
but
this
my
view
is,
they
should
be
taken
back
and
officers
should
work
with
the
ward
members
and
indeed
with
the
this,
this
committee
to
come
forward
with
proposals
which
preserve
and
enhance
the
visitor
center
and
not
effectively
close
it.
B
Okay,
can
we
move
to
the
vote?
Please
if
you
are
in
favor,
please
stay
silent.
Can
everybody
put
the
hand
down
please.
C
A
B
Thank
you
so
now
we'll
move
on
we've
taken
quite
a
good
deal
of
time,
but
the
two
very
very
important
issues
here
so
now,
we'll
move
on
to
we've
got
one
late
item
counselor
andrew
carter.
You
wanted
to
bring
that
forward.
Please.
A
Yes,
we
did
chair,
they.
Actually,
I
think
the
members
from
fastly
and
calf.
They
actually
approved
the
one
thousand
pounds.
D
H
H
The
17th
of
february,
we
need
to
have
one
in
january
to
discuss
richmond
house
and
we
need
catheroff,
the
director
of
adult
social
care
there
to
answer
questions,
because
there
we
have
another
west,
leeds
asset,
being
the
only
respite
care
home
in
the
west
of
the
city,
with
its
a
consultation
taking
place
on
its
potential
closure,
which
is
causing
a
lot
of
concern.
And
I
for
one
want
to
want
qatar
off
to
come
and.
A
A
B
Can
I
thank
everybody
for
their
attendance
and
thank
you
to
the
officers,
I'm
sorry
for
the
hard
time
today,
but
by
and
large,
I
think,
we're
all
normally
very
supportive
of
parks
and
you
do
a
very
good
job
in
the
parks
and
we,
these
two
issues
are
very
very
concerning
to
us.
So
thank
you
to
everybody.