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A
Excellent
right
we'll
continue,
then
so
we'll
go
from
item
agenda
number
one.
C
C
I'll
take
silence,
as
there
are
none
agenda
item
five.
The
only
apologies
that
we've
received
are
from
council
of
forsake.
C
C
C
Richmond
house
was
awarded
a
cqc
rating
of
good
leeds
unison.
Believes
there
may
be
more
may
be
an
alternative
to
closing
richmond
house.
The
alternative
would
be
to
turn
it
into
a
residential
dementia
care
unit.
The
green
in
seacroft
provided
long-term
care
for
dementia
patients,
but
was
closed
by
the
council.
C
C
Caring
for
people
who
are
suffering
from
dementia
is
a
specialist
job
that
requires
skills,
understanding,
patience
and
commitment
lead
to
unison,
believe
if
richmond
house
was
opened
as
a
residential
care
home
for
specializing
in
dementia
care.
This
would
give
people
who
have
family
members
suffering
from
dementia
the
reassurance
that
their
loved
ones
are
being
cared
for
in
a
safe
environment.
C
A
Thank
you
debbie.
It's
now,
our
joint
our
agenda
item
number
seven,
which
is
the
minutes
of
the
last
formal
meeting
we
had,
which
is
9th
of
november
2020..
A
I'll
take
that
as
a
no.
As
you
all
know,
this
is
a
special
committee
meeting
to
discuss
issues
relating
to
richmond
house
care,
home
and
feedback
into
the
consultation
process.
A
It's
particularly
to
my
heart,
because
my
father
was
attended
richmond
house
on
a
number
of
occasions
to
give
my
mother
some
respite,
and
I
should
be
forever
grateful
to
richmond
house
care
team
and
for
the
help
and
support
that
they
gave
to
my
family.
They
were
absolutely
brilliant
and
I'm
extremely
thankful.
A
So
with
that,
can
we
go
on
to
the
presentation?
Can
I
just
say
that
sylvia
landau's
they
were
asked
if
they
could
pose
some
questions
and
there
wasn't
enough
time
in
their
open
forum.
So
I
said
that
I
would
ask
these
questions
on
their
behalf.
So
if
you
could
incorporate
this
into
your
statement
now,
question
one
is:
has
a
full
impact
assessment
being
done
on
the
implications
of
the
closure
of
richmond
house
on
current
and
future
residents,
physical
and
mental
health
and
rehabilitation
potential?
D
E
Yeah,
thank
you,
and
also
there
are
some
points
raised
in
the
open
forum
and
by
the
questions
that
you've
just
raised
are
political
in
nature
as
well,
and
that's
obviously,
my
role
in
the
in
the
adults,
adult
social
care
portfolio.
So
thank
you
very
much
so
just
to
preamble
the
more
detailed
responses.
E
E
So
in
the
open
forum,
it
was
referred
to
the
green
closing
down
to
residential
dementia
patients
or
service
users
a
number
of
years
ago,
and
that
was
extremely
difficult.
But
what
we
did
at
the
time
was
negotiate
with
the
nhs
that
we
should
modernize
our
facilities
that
we
have
by
ceasing
to
provide
the
the
residential
care
that
was
council
care
homes
which
were
not
particularly
well
used
or
went
full.
E
Although
the
service
provided
was
excellent
into
a
more
a
sustainable
model,
funding
wise
that
was
that
the
nhs
could
contribute
to
in
intermediate
care,
and
at
that
time
we
put
richmond
house
into
the
mix
with
that,
because
richmond
house
isn't
is,
it
is
a
respite
care
intermediate
care
style
of
care
facility
and
it
is
excellent
and
we
really
value
it
and
we
would
not
be
making
these
changes
if
we
had
not
had
significant
funding
cuts
and
and
and
a
need
a
legal
need
to
balance
our
budgets
in
the
council.
E
So
at
that
time
the
nhs
looked
at
their
intermediate
care.
You
know
designed
what
they
wanted
to
to
get
from
it
and
how
much
they
were
willing
to
spend
on
it
and
they
didn't
commission
richmond
house
within
that
group
of
services.
There
were
three
other
sites
that
were
chosen,
but
not,
sadly,
not
richmond
house.
E
So
at
that
time
we
decided
to
keep
funding
richmond
house
from
the
council
ourselves
and
because
we
recognized
its
value
and
its
excellent
service
and
it
and
we
act
like
I
say
we
would
not
be
closing
it
or
proposing
these
closures.
If
we
had
the
money
to
keep
it
going
so
we've
just
got
this
year,
we've
had
a
financial
impact
of
covered
of
163
million
pounds,
and
I
think
you
know
we.
E
We
all
know
that
there's
gaps
all
around
the
country
in
our
budgets
and
how
local
authorities
are
able
to
plan
their
budgets
going
forward.
It's
about
a
20
reduction
in
our
spend
and
that
from
our
entire
budget
is
huge,
so
we're
going
to
see
some
difficult
decisions
being
made.
However,
if
we
could
make
something
happen
where
we
could
commission
service
this
service
within
with
the
nhs
we
absolutely
would
do,
but
unfortunately
it
was
ruled
out
of
that
commissioning
framework.
E
But
you
know
I'm
open
to
that
and
still
being
on
the
table
and
if
we
can
still
have
those
conversations,
I
would
really
like
to
see
that
happen,
but
just
wanted
to
set
the
scene
really
and
and
to
state
how
hard
it
it
really
is,
and
I
didn't
come
into
politics
to
do
this.
You
know
it's
not
nice
at
all,
but
the
points
that
were
raised
in
the
open
forum
have
been
considered
and
brought
into
the
into
the
decisions
that
we've
got
to
so
far
so
I'll
hand
over
to
kat.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
I'm
just
going
to
give
some
overview
remarks
and
then
probably
go
into
the
detail
of
responding
to
the
questions
that
were
posed
by
various
individuals,
because
that'll
probably
give
the
depth
of
reply
that
you're
seeking
so
just
to
remind
people.
It's
a
richmond
house,
it's
it's
a
20-bedded
red
residential
home
and
in
the
scheme
of
things.
D
20
beds
is
quite
small
these
days
for
a
residential
home
and
it
has
a
real
impact
on
the
unit
cost
and
how
we
staff
it
and
it
ceased
being
a
rehabilitation
unit
in
2017,
as
council
charlwood
said,
where
it's
been
being
decommissioned,
so
we've
been
trying
to
find
alternative
uses
for
it
and
settled
on
it
being
focused
on
short
stay
support,
but
it
doesn't
have
any
therapeutic
input
going
into
it.
So
I
suppose
you
could
refer
to
it
more
as
a
place
where
you
might
convalesce
or
it's
somewhere.
D
The
actual
occupancy
in
the
previous
year
was
even
worse.
It
was,
it
was
54
percent,
so
the
occupancy
in
this
financial
year
has
has
been
better.
So
it's
it's
not
a
covered
thing
that
it's
had
low
occupancy.
The
occupancy
was,
as
I
said,
even
worse
in
the
previous
year.
D
I
think
it's
probably
best
to
respond
to
the
individual
comments
about
the
the
rationale
to
either
close
or
to
keep
it
keep
it
open,
because
the
wider
context
of
both
the
care
market,
the
different
user
groups
that
we
are
trying
to
meet
the
needs
of
across
our
whole
base
and
in
partnership
with
the
nhs
explain
some
of
the
reason
why
we
have
put
it
forward
for
closure.
D
As
councilor
charlwood
said,
this
is
in
the
context
of
having
to
make
really
really
significant
savings,
and
some
of
the
considerations
I've
had
to
bring
to
bear
is
how
can
I
sustain
adult
social
care
as
a
functioning
entity
with
yes,
a
mixture
of
in-house
and
independent
sector?
What
is
the
quality
of
that
independent
sector?
Now?
What
are
local
available
services
looking
like
and
who
do
we
struggle
with
in
terms
of
meeting
their
needs?
D
So
if
we
do
have
an
in-house
service,
what
strengths
can
we
play
to
so
I'll
cover
some
of
that
in
my
reply,
but
I'm
just
if
you
just
bear
with
me
I'll
just
have
a
look
at
so
sylvia
landau's
question
so
just
to
to
remind
everybody.
It
doesn't
provide
rehab
at
the
moment,
but
we
do
have
a
city-wide
rehab
offer
across
three
different
bases
which
are
geographically
dispersed.
D
So
if
somebody
needs
rehab,
they
can
get
it
either
from
our
northwest
recovery
hub,
our
east
recovery
hub
or
our
south
recovery
hub
and
therefore
actually
have
a
recovery
opportunity
much
closer
to
their
home,
whereas
richmond
house,
at
the
time
you
had
to
travel
from
across
the
entire
city,
and
we
know
that
it's
important
for
people
to
have
family
visits
and
so
being
much
closer
to
where
you
live
ordinarily,
is
an
important
factor
as
to
whether
or
not
even
whether
or
not
somebody
would
consider
a
transfer
to
one
of
our
recovery
hubs
in
terms
of
the
market
in
care
home,
respite,
rehab
accommodation
being
unstable.
D
I
don't
think
it
is
unstable.
Actually,
one
of
the
things
kovid
has
done
is
created
a
lot
of
capacity
in
the
residential
care
sector.
D
There
are
a
lot
of
empty
beds,
so
supply
has
never
been
so
good,
so
the
bit
about
private
provision
unlikely
to
meet
their
needs.
I
don't
agree
with
the
the
rehab
capacity
in
the
city
is
commissioned
by
the
ccg.
D
We
are
a
major
provider
of
that
in
partnership
with
lee's
community
health
and
a
number
of
independent
sector
organizations
they're
all
in
that
business
and
committed
to
providing
really
high
quality
rehab.
So
I
don't
agree
with
the
premise
that
it's
unstable.
I
I
don't
think
that's
the
case.
D
Yes,
the
occupancy
has
been
low,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
can't
force
people
to
come
to
richmond
house
and
because
we
have
other
choices
in
the
city,
either
for
rehab
or
for
short
breaks,
which
again
is
closer
to
people's
homes.
We
suspect
people
are
sort
of
voting
with
their
feet
if
they
can
have
good
quality
respite
closer
to
their
relatives.
D
D
We
just
certainly
didn't
go
through
all
the
pain
of
closing
the
three
care
homes
that
we
did
in
2016.
Only
to
then
reopen
something
so
the
in
terms
of
residential
dementia
care.
We
have
sufficient
supply
in
the
city
and
that's
not
where
we
have
a
gap
in
the
market
where
we
have
a
gap
is
for
people
with
the
most
complex
needs
who
need
cut,
nursing
care.
D
Now
what
we
are
doing
is
we
are
piloting
in
our
south
recovery
hub
ten
ring
fence
beds
for
people
with
complex
dementia,
but
we
are
only
able
to
do
that
because
nursing
care
is
provided
by
lch.
D
They
have
to
be
a
lead
organization,
so
we
can't
provide
nursing
care
by
ourselves
that
the
law
doesn't
allow
us
to
do
it,
but
be
by
partnering
with
somebody.
We
can
then
do
it
in
an
establishment,
and
this
is
what
we're
testing
out
at
the
south
recovery
hub,
and
I
think
the
other
thing
I
would
say
is
really
excellent
dementia
care,
my
preference
would
be
that
it's
in
a
purpose-built
building.
D
We
know
that
environmental
design
makes
a
big
difference
around
supporting
or
mitigating
the
impact
of
dementia
and
richmond
house,
with
the
best
will
in
the
world
is
quite
an
old
style
care
home.
It
doesn't
really
have
the
environmental
characteristics
that
you
would
hope
to
have
for
really
high
quality
dementia
care.
So
for
all
of
those
reasons,
I
wouldn't
look
to
richmond
house
to
provide
dementia
care.
I
think
there
are
better
options
elsewhere
in
the
city.
D
Sorry,
I'm
just
trying
to
catch
up
with
all
the
questions.
It
has
a
full
impact
assessment
being
done
on
the
implications,
so
we
will
do
that
at
the
end
of
the
consultation
process.
D
Members
will
be
aware
that
any
report
we
bring
to
executive
board,
we
do
an
equalities
impact
assessment
and
that
will
pick
up
issues
around
physical
mental
health
aspects
of
people's
protected
characteristics.
And
yes,
we
can
pick
up
on
the
issue
of
rehab,
so
it'll
be
done
at
that
point
at
the
conclusion
of
all
the
consultation.
D
The
next
question,
I
think,
was
what
evidence
is
there
that
the
proposed
future
placement
for
people
who
would
have
gone
to
richmond
house
will
be
any
more
effective
or
safe?
So,
as
councillor
charlotte
mentioned,
we've
done
an
awful
lot
of
work
on
improving
the
quality
of
the
independent
sector.
We
are
now
at
86
of
care
provision
being
good
or
outstanding,
and
we
had
a
look
at
what
is
the
offer
within
five
miles
of
richmond
house.
So
we've
got
21
care
homes
with
a
total
of
932
beds
within
five
miles.
D
16
are
rated
as
good.
One
is
outstanding,
four
for
awaiting
an
inspection
outcome.
We've
got
14
of
those
21
a
cqc
dementia
registered
15,
a
residential
and
two
in
nursing
and
four
offer
both.
D
So
our
view
is
that
there
is
some
good
quality
alternative,
independent
sector
provision
out
there
and
we
don't
have
to
solely
rely
on
in-house
services
and
then
I
think
the
final
question
that
was
asked
it
was
the
council
employed
hospital
social
workers
working
in
the
four
worlds
of
becky
wynn
when
james
and
warfdale
these
are
the
villa
care
waters.
We
call
them
which
are
cqc
rated,
as
requires
improvement.
D
Why
not
transfer
them
directly
to
richmond
house?
Really
simply
it's
because
it's
nursing
care
and
we
can't
register
richmond
house
as
a
nursing
home
we
we
are
legally
prohibited
from
running
nursing
care.
We
could
only
do
it
if
it
was
a
partnership
with
a
lead
nhs
organisation
that
has
the
legal
cover
to
provide
nursing
care.
D
D
A
Thank
you
to
catheros
and
councillor
charlewood
for
for
that
report.
I'm
now
going
to
ask
members
to
come
in
with
questions
and
I'm
going
to
give
everybody
a
chance
to
ask
a
question
I'll
just
go
around
all
of
the
members
in
turn,
because
I
know
you
will
all
have
questions
so
starting
with
counselor
david
blackburn.
F
Sorry,
chad
to
interrupt,
but
wouldn't
it
be
a
good
idea
if
we
had
the
the
officers,
give
us
the
factual
statement
statement
about
the
consultation
first,
because
that
will
also
raise
some
questions.
I
think.
F
It's
councillor
carter
and
it's
oh
it's.
It
is
yes,
I
want
you
to
go
through
the
through
the
time
scales
please
in
particular,.
D
Okay,
so
even
though
we
announced
the
proposal
to
close,
I
think
it
was
the
october
executive
board.
We
didn't
commence
formal
consultation
until
the
4th
of
january,
because
we
didn't
feel
it
was
right
to
try
and
run
consultation
over
the
christmas
period,
so
that
started
on
the
fourth
of
january,
and
it's
going
to
run
for
12
weeks
concluding
on
friday,
the
26th
of
march
at
5
p.m,
at
which
point
we
will
pull
together
everyone's
comments
and
feedback
with
a
view
to
going
to
june
executive
board.
G
G
Well,
my
mother
has
been
in
richmond
house
and
when
we
used
to
do
rehab
care
that
she
said
she
suddenly
died
since,
but
on
two
other
occasions
she
was
sent
to
the
far
side
of
leeds
where
for
me
to
get
there,
I
had
to
use
two
buses
was
nowhere
near
where
my
sister
lived
and
nowhere
near
where
my
mother
lived
and-
and
I
just
found
some
of
the
comments
that
kath
roth
come
up-
that.
G
G
G
What
we
have
got
to
do
is
offer
our
people
something
that's
worthwhile
having,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
some
of
the
reasons
for
closing
it
are
you
know
our
self-fulfilling
properties,
like
we've
done
things
in
the
past,
where
we
put
people
off
and
going
to
go
in
there
and
making
them
go
somewhere
else,
that's
inferior,
you
know,
that's
all
I've
got
to
say
I'll
pass
up
the
one.
If
that's
all
right.
H
Yes,
you
said
all
right,
yes,
well,
I
agree
with
what
council
david
blackburn
said,
and
it
annoys
me
that
such
places
as
richmond
house
anything
that's
counsel.
Quite
frankly,
when
it
comes
to
adult
social
services
since
we're
down
sometime
or
another
they're
going
to
get
around
to
closing
it,
you
can
back
your
life
on
that.
We
had
a
very
good
old
people's
home
in
worldly
and
that
closed,
and
it
wasn't
because
people
didn't
like
it,
people
loved
it.
H
A
lot
of
them
ended
up
going
over
the
road
to
the
private
home
which
they
didn't
like,
because
they
just
didn't
have
the
amenities
that
they
had
at
the
council
home.
We
knew
our
council,
but
small
council
homes.
They
staff
bend
over
backwards.
You
know
to
bring
ground
ice
cream
in
the
nice
weather,
etc.
H
You
don't
get
that
private
home
all
the
council
facilities
as
far
as
adult
social
services
are
going,
and
this
fact
that
nobody
wants
to
go
there
well
clearly,
I
can
say
that
when
richmond
house
was
a
rehab
unit
for
people
coming
out
of
when
they
were
a
place
where
they
came
out
of
hospital
on
the
stair
the
week
or
two
that
went
up,
it
was
brilliant.
H
My
mother
had
not
been
in
that
way,
so
everybody
loved
it
and
yeah
when
she
went
to
a
place
in
his
leads
and
that
they
did
just
what
they
had
to
do.
Basically,
they
they,
the
place
itself,
was
really
quite
badly
designed
for
all
the
people,
etc,
etc.
H
But
no,
what
this
council
wants
to
do
is
they
want
to
give
all
the
money
to
the
private
care,
because
it's
easy
for
them
to
do
that,
and
you
know
our
staff
was
brilliant,
then
well
end
up
being
thrown
out
and
the
people
then
just
get
shunted
where
they
can
and
it
it
really
infuriates
me
and
you
can't
do
as
many
consultations
as
you
like.
But,
let's
be
honest,
we
know
no
matter
who
says
what
in
those
consultations,
quite
frankly,
the
people
constantly
make
the
mind
already.
H
And
yes,
the
council
made
them
on
it,
not
disputing
that.
But
why
is
it?
The
good
facilities
have
to
go
and
we
throw
the
money
at
private
homes
or
private
facilities
which,
in
a
lot
of
cases,
just
are
not
as
good
there's
something
wrong.
Definitely
we
should
be
thinking
of
the
people
out
there
and
thinking
what
we're
doing
with
our
money
and
put
it
where
it's
best
placed.
The
other
thing
is
as
well.
H
We
need
somewhere
in
wesley's,
while
very
well
seeing
the
stuff
in
easily
stuff
in
southwest,
but
there
should
be
a
place
in
each
part
of
the
city.
That's
where
we
started
out
from
a
year
or
two
ago.
It's
not
fair
that
people
have
got
to
be
sort
of
shorting
from
one
part
the
other
to
another,
and
we
have
to
bear
in
mind
a
lot
of
people.
Don't
have
cares
in
fact,
as
I'm
concerned
about
local
tech
girls,
but
you
know
we've
got
to
bear
all
this
in
mind
and
we're
not
doing.
H
Despite
what
people
have
said
this
morning,
officers
have
said
this
morning:
we've
just
got
to
try
and
localize
things
more
and
ideally
keep
the
the
few
facilities.
These
councils
got
left
to
help
elderly
people
in
adult
social
care.
We
need
to
keep
them
not
be
giving
5
000
reasons
why
we
can't
so
I'm
sorry
I've
ranted
on
a
bit,
but
I
think
you
can
tell
it's
something
that
I
feel
very
strongly
about.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
chad.
There
were
just
a
number
of
political
points
there.
I
think
it's
important
that
I
can
write.
I
can
answer
some
of
those
rather
than
them
ask
officers
to
respond
to
them,
so
I
think
it
counselor
blackburn.
I
I
I
think
you
know
very
well
that
I
do
not
want
to
be
in
a
position
like
this,
where
we
are
suggesting
these
sorts
of
changes.
If
we
could
keep
it,
if
we
could
keep
all
of
our
homes,
we
would.
E
The
problem
we
have
is
when
you
have
50
million
pounds
to
find
from
a
budget
of
250
million
pounds.
What
else
do
you
cut
instead,
so
we've
gone,
we've
gone
for
through
all
of
the
available
efficiencies
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
them
cuts
to
most
of
us.
E
You
know
we
get
to
a
point
where
we
have
to
make
really
really
hard
decisions
and
really
unpleasant
decisions
that
we
know
we
don't
want
to
do.
But
the
point
you
are
making
about
staff
is
wrong.
It's
simply
wrong
when
we
close
the
last
few
care
homes
and
turn
them
into
intermediate
care
facilities.
E
We
did
not
make
any
compulsory
redundancies,
and
that
was
hugely
important
to
us
in
the
council,
and
I
think
you
should
perhaps
reflect
on
that
and
and
give
us
a
bit
of
credit
for
that,
because
we've
not
got
rid
of
anybody
and
I
think,
that's
important
to
make
and
if
you
would
like
to
tell
us
what
you
would
like
to
cut
instead,
50
million
pounds
I'd
be
absolutely
delighted
to
hear
it,
because
we
can
all
say
we
don't
want
to
lose
services,
but
we
have
to
make
these
decisions.
E
Otherwise
we
don't
keep
our
bottom
line.
So
I
would
just
like
to
push
back
a
little
bit
on
that.
Nobody
wants
to
make
these
these
decisions
and
these
cuts.
If
we
could
have
an
intermediate
care
facility
in
west
leeds,
then
I
would
want
to
have
it
at
richmond
house.
Ideally,
we
would
like
to
rebuild
it,
make
it
bigger
and
more
beautiful
and
have
it
in
west
leeds,
but
that
was
commissioned
from
the
nhs
and
they
haven't
included
that
in
their
commissioning.
E
So
unless
we
they
revisit
that,
we
can't
deliver
that
for
you
and
as
it
stands,
we
need
to
find
these
savings
so
I'll.
Let
cath
carry
on
with
the
the
other
points.
H
A
H
No,
it
was
just
something
that
was
stated
where
it
said
that
I
said
those
people
have
been
thrown
out
of
the
job
and
you
know
when
we've
closed
homes,
etc.
H
I
did
not
say
that
by
the
nature
of
the
fact,
if
you
close
a
home,
the
people
working
for
us
lose
the
job
that
they
have
had
with
that
home.
It
goes
without
saying
does
not
mean
that
you
try
to
get
them
into
another
home,
which
could
probably
be
the
other
side
of
leeds
or
whatever,
but
I
never
said
that
they
were
thrown
out
of
a
job
completely.
H
A
D
I
Thanks
chad
just
got
a
couple
of
questions
for
him
to
rattle
through
everything
and
let
let
officers
come
back
after
that.
I
mean,
as
we've
heard
and
I'm
sure,
we've
all
received,
especially
the
carvilling
fosley
members,
that
the
numerous
bits
of
correspondence
from
people
just
saying
how
good
dick
area
in
richmond
house
is-
and
I
haven't-
got
personal
experience
of
knowing
people
that
have
been
in
there.
I
But
obviously
it's
it's
just
a
couple
of
streets
away
from
from
my
house,
and
I
don't
know
I've
had
so
many
people
commenting
that
friends
and
relatives
were
in
there
and
the
care
they
received
was
absolutely
excellent,
which
I
think
is
absolute
credit
to
to
the
staff
there
and
and
to
the
service
really
for
what
they've
provided.
I
A
couple
of
my
questions
have
been
touched
on,
but
I
wanted
to
go
into
it
further,
just
really
seeing
what
we
can
do
to
look
at.
We've
got
that
conversation
about
under
occupation
of
the
service
and
the
funding
being
removed,
so
to
speak
by
the
ccg
was
something
that
happened
before
before
I
was
elected
as
a
member.
I
But
so
thanks
for
giving
me
some
of
the
detail
about
on
that,
which
is
gonna,
be
one
of
the
questions,
but
how
have
we
sought
to
have
that
conversation
again
with
the
ccg
or
with
other
nhs
bodies,
because
I
think
obviously
there
were
some
comments
that
came
in
the
points
to
the
open
forum
of
things
that
have
come.
Catherine
has
responded
to
some
of
those,
but
have
we
had
that
conversation
around
whether
anyone
else
has
an
idea
of
what
we
could
seek
to
continue
at
richmond
house?
I
Obviously,
the
removal
of
the
funding
a
couple
of
years
ago
seems
to
have
been
the
thing
that
that
really
or
four
years
ago
is
it
now
time
flies.
It
seems
to
have
been
the
thing
that
that
maybe
caused
some
of
that
under
occupation.
That
caused
some
of
these
difficulties
that
we're
facing
right
now
and-
and
I
just
wondered
whether
those
conversations
were
carrying
on
with
those
and
other
nhs
bodies
if
they
had
any
ideas
of
what
we
could
do,
the
other.
The
other
things
to
think
about
in
this
really.
I
Obviously,
we've
got
at
the
moment.
We're
expecting
at
some
point
a
green
paper
on
adult
social
care
to
come,
and
that
might
come
up
with
differences
in
funding
it.
There's
there's
also
work
going
on
around
whether
or
not
ccgs
will
exist
in
a
few
years
time
are
we
looking
at
what
the
opportunities
there
could
mean
for
what
richmond
house
could
be,
whether
that
does
bring
some
of
the
investment
would
need
to
change?
I
What
richmond
house
is
into
something
that's
a
more
modern
facility
that
would
be
able
to
get
that
use
or
to
rebuild
it
to
something
else
or
or
is
that
something,
for
instance,
we'd
seek
to
do
following
the
closure
to
see
see
what
what
more
it
could
be
if,
if
that
proposal
comes
through
for
closure,
after
the
consultation.
D
In
terms
of
the
uses
that
where
the
nhs
is
the
commissioner,
there
only
really
are
two
uses,
is
that
rehabilitation
function
or
to
have
it
as
a
nursing
home?
The
ccg
will
be
recommissioning
its
community
care
beds
over
the
next
12
months.
D
If
anything,
they're
likely
to
commission
less
beds
and
they
possibly
haven't-
got
the
numbers
right
and
the
problem
we
face
with
any
anything
being
commissioned
from
richmond
houses,
because
it's
20
beds,
its
unit
costs
are
always
going
to
be
higher
than
a
40
bed
unit,
where
you
can
just
arrange
your
staff
in
rosters,
more
more
efficiently
and
debbie's
on
the
course.
You
could
probably
say
more
about
that.
D
If
you
wanted
the
detail
in
terms
of
the
the
green
paper
on
social
care,
I
think
I'll
be
pulling
my
pension
by
the
time
that
ever
gets
published.
There's
no
sign
on
the
horizon
that
the
green
paper
will
be
brought
forward
and
from
recent
remarks
from
the
prime
minister,
it
seems
the
focus
is
more
on
the
relationship
between
the
citizen
and
the
state
as
to
what
they
pay
for
their
care.
D
So,
with
an
emphasis
on
preventing
people
having
to
sell
their
home
to
pay
for
care
costs,
rather
than
any
indication
of
a
an
injection
of
cash
into
social
care,
to
help
either
raise
people's
rates
of
pay
or
to
be
able
to
afford
to
keep
in-house
services
more
in
terms
of
the
reorganization
proposed
with
ccgs
potentially
going.
I
think
that
actually
is
more
of
a
risk
to
us.
We
have
a
really
constructive
relationship
with
our
ccg.
It
is
leads
focused.
D
I
Yeah
that
gives
some
detail.
I
think,
we'll
see
as
the
decision
goes
on.
It
was
just
like
the
the
comment
about
what
happens
if,
after
the
consultation,
we
indicate
foreclosure
of
that
home,
then
what
what's
the
next
life
that
would
come
out,
then,
is
that
a
conversation
to
see
what
comes
out
with
a
proposal
out
of
the
consultation
or
is
that
something
will
it
be
sold
immediately?
Will
it
be
looking
at
what
else
could
be
offered
there,
because
I
think.
D
Yes,
okay,
there's
a
there's:
a
commitment
to
use
the
site
to
develop
hra
supported
housing,
so
basically
council
housing.
Quite
what
nature
that
takes.
I
think
we'd
have
to
have
a
look
at
the
site,
so
I
know
there's
been
quite
a
lot
of
interest.
Could
we
develop
an
extra
care
scheme
on
it,
but
I
think
our
view
is
that
the
site
is
just
too
small
to
do
that.
So
I
think
some
of
the
consultation
would
depend.
D
Would
that
would
it
want
to
be
ring
fence
for
something
like
that?
So
I
think
there's
a
range
of
opportunities.
I
don't
think
you
would
ever
be
able
to
sell
it
as
a
going
concern
as
a
care
home,
because
it's
just
it's
just
not
fit
for
purpose
anymore,
doesn't
have
ensuite,
it's
got
quite
narrow
corridors
and
again
it
doesn't
have
that
that
sort
of
minimum
capacity
of
40
beds
you
would
need
so
I
I
just
don't
think
any
current
pairs
and
also,
I
think
it
we
have
an
oversupply
of
residential
care
at
the
moment.
D
So
I
couldn't
see
anybody
taking
it
unless
they
wanted
to
convert
it
to
nursing
care.
And
again
I
just
go
back
to
the
physical
state
of
the
building,
doesn't
really
lend
itself
to
people
with
very
high
mobility
problems,
which
is
the
profile
you
get
in
a
in
a
nursing
home
these
days.
A
B
Thank
you,
chair,
obviously,
a
lot
of
what
I
was
going
to
say
as
come
up
peter,
particularly
I.
I
wonder
whether
you
know
the
consultation.
It
went
to
a
exec
board
in
october,
so
that
that's
you
know
quite
a
weight
to
get
to
now
before
we
brought
that.
I
think
we
could
have
had
quite
a
good
consultation
period
prior
to
the
christmas
break.
So
I
think
that
that's
been
a
little
bit
of
a
missed
opportunity
there.
B
I
think
you
know
we've
we
could
have
been
out
speaking
to
residents
and
and
the
local
community
and
and
seeing
what
was
needed
another
one
of
my.
My
points
really
is
going
back
to
peter's
point,
but
but
broadening
it,
the
funding
was
removed,
and
so
the
council
chose
to
continue
to
fund
the
facility.
B
At
that
point,
what
conversations
were
had
with
with
the
you
know,
with
the
qcq
to
see
if
there
was
anything
that
they
could
offer
at
that
point
to
either
part
fund
it
or
maybe
upgrade
services
etc
in
there,
so
that
we
weren't
in
this
position
now.
B
Another
point
that
I'd
like
to
make
is:
if
we
lose
this
facility
in
the
west
of
the
city,
we
really
we
might
have
beds,
but
at
what
cost.
B
B
Yes,
there
might
be
a
package
that
package
would
then
be
funded
by
the
council,
so
if
the
council
are
funding
that,
why
can't
they
fund
this,
you
know,
I
think,
we're
we're
at
great
risk
of
creating
a
situation
where
we're
actually
bed
blocking
for
the
nhs.
So
would
the
nhs
come
on
board
with
us
and
work
with
us
on
this?
It's
not
just
a
fiscal
cost.
Here
we've
got
mental
health
issues.
We've
got
family
situations,
we've
got
strain
on
local
services.
B
If
we
discharge
a
person
straight
from
hospital
back
into
their
own
home.
How
is
that
going
to
impact
them?
How
is
that
going
to
impact
local
services
at
what
cost
does
that
come?
So
I'd
like
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
what
is
actually
the
net
saving
to
this
closure?
Sorry
sorry
proposed
closure.
Thank
you.
D
The
bit
about
the
consultation,
so
the
time
period
that
we
are
running,
the
consultation
has
made
no
difference.
It
would
always
have
been
12
weeks,
so
we
haven't
truncated
it
by
starting
it
in
january.
I
guess
it's
just
a
judgment,
call
that
we
felt
so
close
to
christmas.
D
It
wasn't
appropriate,
so
I
can
just
give
the
commitment
that
we
certainly
haven't
shortened
the
consultation
period
in
order
to
commence
it
from
january
I
mean
when
the
funding
was
removed.
Yes,
we
had
very
robust
conversations
with
the
ecg.
We
obviously
value
richmond
house
thought
it
provided
a
good
service,
but
we
could
see
the
argument
by
the
ccg
that
they
could
in
terms
of
the
the
three
premises
they
went
for,
that
we
are
a
provider
of
it.
They
could
get
more
beds
by
doing
it.
D
That
way,
and
we
really
struggled
with
the
unit
cost,
as
I
said,
coming
back
to
it
being
20
beds,
unless
we
were
willing
to
subsidize
it,
we
couldn't
get
to
a
point
of
the
unit
cost
that
they
were
willing
to
pay,
and
we
didn't
have
the
money
to
subsidize
it.
We
need
our
services
to
be
able
to
break,
even
so
you
were
talking
about
bets
at
what
cost.
Just
to
be
clear.
D
The
the
challenge
people
have
for
using
a
respite
bed
is
is
the
same
whichever
whether
or
not
it's
a
council
facility
or
private
sector.
So
there
just
is
a
charge,
and
then
people
are
means
tested
and
they
contribute
towards
the
cost
of
their
care
based
on
their
income
assessment.
So
it
isn't
it's
cheaper
if
you
get
it
from
the
in-house
compared
to
the
private
sector,
because
that
would
be
inequitable
so
that
that
argument
doesn't
hold
in
terms
of
bed
blocking.
D
We
are
really
good
at
getting
people
out
and
actually
and
increasingly
we're
seeing
this
as
a
result
of
covert
as
well.
People
want
to
go
home
if
at
all
possible,
that
is
their
first
choice
and
we
are
good
at
get
people
home.
We
have
the
skill
service,
which
is
an
in-house
service.
It's
our
re-enablement
service
and
we
go
and
support
people
in
their
own
home.
D
They
still
get
therapeutic
support
and
our
skills,
enablement
workers
act
as
agents
of
recovery
and
and
that's
how
things
are
shifting
increasingly
going
into
a
care
home
is
absolutely
the
last
thing
that
people
are
choosing
to
do,
and
yes,
some
of
that's
driven
by
covid,
but
I
think
I
think
that
hesitancy
to
go
into
a
care
home
is
going
to
remain
for
certainly
as
long
as
we've
got
covered.
So
if
if
people's
wish
is
to
go
home-
and
we
can
do
it
safely,
we
will
absolutely
support
them
to
do
so.
B
I
I
quite
agree
that
you
know
if
people
are
safe
to
go
home,
then
that's
absolutely
the
right
thing
to
do.
I've
not
had
experience
of
richmond
house
myself,
but
my
grandmother
was
in
a
similar
situation.
However,
there
were
times
when
I
felt
that
she
was
maybe
bed
blocking.
I
felt
that
there
were
times
when
she
was
returned
to
her
home
when
she
maybe
shouldn't
have
been
returned
to
her
home.
So
that's
my
personal
experience,
I
mean
I'm,
you
know,
I'm
I'm
not
not.
B
Gonna
complain
about
what
what
the
system
does,
because
the
system
is
the
system
at
the
moment,
but
I
do
think
that
you
know
in
in
terms
of
this.
I
think
you
know
we
need
to
look
at
the
broader
picture,
we're
returning
people
back
to
their
homes,
who
are
probably
going
to
be
on
their
own
95.
If
not
higher
amounts
percentage
of
the
day
is
that
is
that
the
right
thing
for
them?
You
know?
B
Are
they
going
to
be
better
in
a
facility,
a
short-term
facility
such
as
richmond
house,
where
you
know
they
can
get
the
round-the-ken
clock
care?
They
can
see
people
they
can
get
their
mental
health
back
to
where
it
needs
to
be
in
order
to
then
get
them
back
to
their
own
home.
K
Yes,
part
of
my
question
was
actually
just
answered,
then
I
was
going
to
ask
about
the
cost
per
head
for
private
and
for
nhs,
but
the
other
point
I
want
to
bring
is:
what
is
the
forecast
for
age
of
people
getting
more
because
we're
long
we're
living
longer?
So
surely
we're
gonna
need
more
beds
in
the
future.
So
shutting
something
down
like
this
that
we
may
need
in
five
years
time
may
cost
us
more
to
rebuild
in
five
years
time.
K
A
D
So
we
are
looking
at
that.
So
when
you
look
to
the
future,
what
I
would
say
at
the
moment,
we
have
oversupply
of
residential
care,
and
if
you
look
at
the
outer
west
area,
we've
got
an
oversupply
of
residential
care
by
304
beds.
D
The
future
is
likely
to
need
a
mixture
of
extra
care
housing.
If
you,
if
you
can
have
your
support,
needs
met
in
residential
care,
you
can,
by
and
large
have.
D
Your
support
needs
met
in
extra
care
unless
perhaps
you're
living
with
dementia
and
older
people
have
been
really
clear
in
our
consultation,
if
at
all
possible,
they
would
rather
retain
their
own
front
door,
and
I
think
that's
very
much
been
recognized
by
the
council
embarking
on
a
very
ambitious
but
positive
extra
care,
housing
and
development
pro
program
which
we're
increasingly,
I
think,
we'll
get
to
about
a
thousand
units
of
extra
care
over
the
next
two
or
three
years.
We
probably
still
need
to
double
that.
D
We
have
seen
an
absolute
dramatic
fall
in
people
choosing
to
go
into
residential
care
at
the
moment,
and
we
have
seen
quite
a
marked
expansion
of
people
asking
for
support
in
their
own
home.
So
our
home
care
has
gone
up
and
our
residential
care
has
gone
down
where
I
think
there
there
is
a
need
for
growth,
is
around
nursing
care
and
particularly
to
support
people
with
dementia,
and
that
will
be
the
growth
area.
D
K
On
that,
yes,
I
would
please
you
mentioned
about
the
drop
in
people
wanting
to
go
into
residential
care
at
the
moment.
That
is
because
of
kovid,
because
people
don't
want
to
go
in
and
catch
covered.
So
I
think,
as
soon
as
we
come
out
of
the
car
with
everybody's
got
the
injection
vaccination.
K
D
So
I've
got
304
surplus
beds,
mapped
against
the
population
needs
for
the
next
five
years.
In
your
area,
we
we
have
an
oversupply
of
residential
caring
leaves.
We
are
not
short
of
it
at
all.
So
before
I
held
on
to
anything,
I
I
it
would,
I
would
only
consider
hanging
on
or
building
new
new
premises
once
all
of
that
had
been
exhausted,
so
we
are
some
considerable
way
of
it
and
I
can
understand
why
people
want
to
retain
richmond
house.
It's
got
a
great
reputation,
it's
a
local
service.
D
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you
chair.
I
think
we're
we're
at
risk
of
being
side
trapped
here
and
I'll
come
back
to
that
in
a
moment.
F
F
F
F
Amanda
carter
mentioned
our
personal
knowledge
and
it
goes
way
beyond
that
too,
to
people
who've
had
relatives
having
the
rest
back
breaks
enrichment
care
over
the
past
few
enrichment
house
over
the
past
few
years,
everyone's
been
extremely
appreciative
of
what's
provided
and
you
can't
quantify,
and
you
can't
put
a
price
on
how
long
it
keeps
those
people
who
get
that
respite
care
out
of
full-time
accommodation
and
allows
them
to
go
home
after
a
short
break
and-
and
I
I
really
do
want
some
assurance
that
that
this
consultation
is
what
it
says
on
the
tin,
a
consultation
and
listening
to
a
lot
of
what's
been
said.
F
You've
already
made
your
minds
up.
Well,
you
know
that
in
effect
dissuades
people
from
from
participating
in
the
consultation
and
it
mustn't,
and
I
would
implore
people
listening
to
this-
and
let
me
tell
you,
there's
a
massive
petition
in
circulation
to
keep
richmond
house
out
to
to
have
their
sixth
penalty.
We
really
shouldn't
be
talking
about
what
we
could
put
in
its
place,
because
that's
exactly
the
place,
we
shouldn't
be
going.
F
But
I'm
sorry,
council
child
has
gone
and
I'll
I'll
say
this
and
keep
it
as
non-political
as
possible.
F
D
F
Of
that
is
being
offset
by
government,
grant
the
rest
of
the
money
that
we're
short
a
lot
of
it
comes
from
decisions.
This
council
has
made
itself
and
to
be
frank,
if
we're
serious
about
the
importance
of
facilities
like
this,
then
there
are
plenty
of
places
not
in
adult
social
care,
but
in
other
parts
of
the
council
where
the
money
could
be
found,
and
we
really.
I
really
do
want
to
have
some
reassurance
that
this
is
a
proper
consultation.
F
The
council
are
going
through
a
whole
string
of
these
at
the
moment,
and
residents
are
extremely
skeptical
and
right
to
be,
and
you
need
to
give
reassurance
that
any
suggestions
that
come
forward
will
be
properly
looked
at,
that
isn't
a
foregone
conclusion
and
I'll
I'll
finish
on
that
chair.
I
feel
very
strongly
about
this.
D
Just
a
few
comments,
then,
so
this
is
the
first
time
in
the
five
seat
notes.
Six
years
now,
I've
worked
for
leeds.
The
richmond
house
has
been
formally
put
forward
for
closure,
so
it
might
have
been
talked
about
informally,
but
certainly
this
is
the
first
time
it's
been
brought
forward
as
a
formal
proposition.
D
D
No,
it
does
help
if
you
turn
your
microphone
on,
do
apologize
I'll
start
again,
so
I
was
saying
I've.
I've
worked
for
the
council
for
nearly
six
years
now.
This
is
the
first
time
I've
formally
bought
richmond
house
forward
for
a
closure
proposal,
so
it
might
have
been
banded
about
informally,
but
certainly
this
is
the
first
time
it's
formally
been
brought
forward
and
we
do
actively
promote
it
as
a
is
a
facility
for
our
social
workers
to
make
use
of
if
they
are
trying
to
prevent
an
admission
or
to
support
a
discharge.
D
But,
as
I
said,
we
can't
force
people
to
to
go
to
it
if
there's
something
closer
to
home
they'd,
rather
go
to
as
a
temporary
placement
in
terms
of
short
stay,
there's,
actually
only
six
people
that
regularly
use
it
for
planned
respite,
and
we
do
have
alternative
in
the
provision
alternative
provision
in
the
area
that
could
provide
that
elsewhere.
D
Regarding
the
ccg,
we
did
put
it
forward
as
our
proposal
for
our
community
care
beds
as
part
of
our
bid,
but
they
made
the
decision
which
facilities
they
wanted
to
commission
care
from
and,
as
I
said,
we
we
struggled
with
the
unit
cost
for
richmond
house.
It
was
over
a
thousand
pounds
per
bed
and
the
ccg
had
set
a
cap
of
a
thousand
pounds
that
they
were
willing
to
pay.
D
So
it
just
wasn't
attractive
in
terms
of
the
cost
envelope
they
had,
and
I
would
respectfully
say
it's
members
who
make
the
decision
not
officers
as
to
whether
or
not
this
goes
forward.
So
I
can't
say
it's
a
foregone
conclusion
that
I've
been
asked
to
bring
forward
proposals
to
make
a
savings
target
and
that
that's
what
I've
been
brought
for.
That's
what
I
brought
forward.
D
If,
if
I
was
to
be
asked
to
come
up
with
some
alternatives,
I
could
do
that
they
would
all
be
equally
unpalatable
and
it's
what
is
the
least
worst
choice,
and
ultimately
it
will
be
a
decision
made
by
members.
F
What
I'm
trying
to
establish
is
there
is
at
least
a
resemblance
of
a
level
playing
field
and
that,
if,
if
suggestions
come
forward
as
to
ways
of
keeping
it
operational,
I
just
just
have
this-
I
think
there's
a
there's
a
saying
man,
plans
and
god
laughs,
and
it's
all
very
well
looking
at
projections
for
the
future
about
what
beds
we'll
need
and
not
need,
but
look
at
how
coving
hit
us
out
of
the
blue
what
less
than
12
months
ago
and
and
where
we
are
now
and
kath.
I
make
this
point.
F
We
were
told
that
the
ccg
was
desperately
looking
for
beds
to
treat
people
not
to
not
to
treat
people,
but
for
people
could
recuperate
not
from
coving
but
from
other
minor
things,
so
that
beds
were
made
available
in
the
hospital
for
covid
cases
and
they
were
asking
across
the
city.
For
those
now
to
me,
it's
folly
to
close
a
facility
like
richmond
house
when
we
are
in
such
a
national.
A
D
Well,
we
what
we
offered
them
and
what
they
asked
for
is
experimenting
with
things
within
our
in-house
provision.
So
we've
got
ten
nine
or
ten
designated
beds
at
northwest.
We've
got
the
ten
complex
dementia
at
south,
and
we've
got
ten
discharge
to
assess
beds.
They're
called
for
people
with
dementia
at
east
shona.
Can
I
just
bring
you
in
whether
or
not
there
was
any
further
conversations
about
using
richmond
house
for
d2a
beds.
A
Thank
you.
I
just
got
one
comment
today.
All
the
points
have
really
been
made,
but
I
just
want
to
underline
something
cath
that
there
isn't
any
provision
in
the
west
of
leeds
it's
all
in
other
parts
of
the
city,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
the
west
of
leeds
is
always
the
one
that
loses
out
and
it's
not
right,
and
it's
not
fair.
A
I
often
hear
from
my
constituents
how
desperate
they
are
for
some
kind
of
respite
care.
So
I
find
it
hard
to
believe
that
I
mean
they.
Don't
a
lot
of
them,
don't
know
about
it,
so
I
find
it
hard
to
believe
that
it's
not
been
promoted
through
social
workers,
and
maybe
it's
not
been
promoted
well
enough,
because
I
do
hear
this
a
lot.
A
The
other
thing
I
hear
is
that
people
are
being
sent
home
too
soon
from
hospitals
and
they
need
that
halfway
house,
and
I
know
you
say
that
perhaps
it's
not
suitable
for
that,
but
having
been
around
richmond
house
and
and
knowing
it
well,
and
I
think
it
would,
it
would
be
all
right.
So
I
would
like
to
thank
you
for
coming
here
and
talking
to
us
today.
It's
really
helpful.
Thank
you
to
all
the
other
officers.
F
Only
we
need
to
have
the
informal
meeting
on
the
funding
before
our
next
full
meeting
in
the
first
week
in
march,
so
we
need
that
in
february
we
discussed
it
last
time
chair.
If
you
remember
about
the
and
mike,
was
very
kindly
offered
to
look
at
all
the
the
standard
funding
things
and
we
can
at
least
go
through
those
and
see
where
we
are
with
them.
G
Amanda
as
well,
it's
the
regarding
the
scheme
for
for
computers
it
struck.
It
struck
me
last
night
about
this.
We
haven't,
we
didn't
mention
what
happens
to
them
when
they
have
finally
come
to
the
end
of
their
lives.
You
know,
are
they
going
back
to
policy
computers
or
are
the
schools
keeping
them
or
what?
G
Because
I
don't
want
to
be
in
the
position,
as
I
once
was
when
I
was
chair
of
roseville,
where
I
have
the
press
getting
on
to
me
because
there's
a
load
of
computers
being
dumped
in
some
east
african
country,
which
is
what
happened
then
and
we're,
and
we
give
them
as
to
these
charities.
G
J
Yes,
so
these
devices
will
be
added
to
the
school's
network
and
it's
they're
handed
to
the
school
and
it's
for
the
schools
to
manage
as
they
would
with
their
existing
devices.
J
You
know
if
some
another
project
comes
up
and
we
need
to
recycle
them
again,
but
it's
the
devices
are
getting
donated
to
schools
and
then
schools
are
managing
that
process
then,
and
then
we're
not
in
that
decision
of,
because
we
don't
know
who
needs
these
devices
who
don't
need
the
devices
and
it's
the
schools
that
are
making
that
decision,
because
they
can
see
who
who's
who
will
whose
needs
are
bigger.
You
know
he's
the
greatest.
G
I
thought
I
mean
I
I
I
suspect
that
the
school
will
have
a
process
of
of
getting
rid
of
technology-
that's
snuggled
in
in
a
proper
way,
but
I
think
I
think
it
just
needs
mentioning,
and
then
we
don't
find
ourselves
doing
something
and
then
a
few
years
time
getting
criticized.
But
that's
a
right
thing.
F
David,
I
will
remember
the
egg
on
your
face
at
roseville:
you're
quite
right
to
raise
it.
I'm
sure
I'm
sure
that
yeah
we
just
make
sure
that
the
schools
and
I'm
sure
they
have
an
ethical
way
of
disposing
of
when
the
when
the
lifespan
is
done.
J
They've
got
a
legal
right
part
of
the.
Is
it
the
wii
legislation
where
they
have
to
dispose
of
property.
A
In
the
correct,
that's
right,
that's
correct,
right,
good,
fine
right!
This
meeting
mike,
we
need
to
schedule
it
early
feb.
K
D
F
One
of
the
reasons
is
that
we
need
to
is
that
we
need
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
precisely
what
the
council's
proposing
to
do
with
its
organization,
known
as
leeds
lights
and-
and
we
can't
be
left
we'll
need
months
to
sort
the
christmas
lights
out
properly.
If
there's
any
problem
with
the
leeds
lights
set
up,
if
you
follow
my
meaning,
so
we
need
to
be
planning
pdq.
To
be
frank,.
A
I
Chair
just
a
quick
one,
just
based
on
that
is
there
any
particular
deadline,
then,
because,
obviously,
when
we've
had
commissioning
rounds,
we've
given
groups
and
organizations
a
date
of
which
any
applications
have
to
come
in
by
is
there
a
date
mike
would
suggest
that
things
would
have
to
be
there
in
order
to
come
forward
to
that
february.
F
Meeting
chair,
we
don't
we
don't
want
a
commissioning
round.
Do
we
we
want
to
look
at
the
the
standard
things
which
usually
involve
the
council,
and
then
we
look
at
you
know
if
if
they
can
guarantee
to
deliver
a
project
over
a
set
period
of
time,
we
don't
want
to
get
into
a
position
where
we're
allocating
money
to
things
that
then
don't
happen
and
and
we've
turned
other
things
down,
and
that
does
concern
me.
So
I
thought
we
decided.
K
C
I
Yes,
that
that's
fine,
sorry
andrew
you're
correct
there,
and
there
were
just
a
couple
of
details
that
that
passed
through
to
your
mic
of
people
who
want
to
know
when
the
deadline
was
or
or
something
would
you
be
able
to
lay
out
the
position
to
them
in
terms
of
knowing
when
the
event
is
etc.
K
I
think
those
are
the
things
we
could
include
fencing
just
a
little
bit
of
money
for
so
that
there's
the
guarantee
that
later
in
the
year,
you
know
there's
money
there,
and
then
we
can
still
go
through
that
process
of
taking
the
application
from
the
group
one
or
two
months
before
the
start
date
with
a
view
to
approving
it.
K
Knowing
that
we've
already
got
the
money
ring,
fenced
and
and
try
and
tackle
it
that
way,
but
I'll,
I
will
speak
to
I'll
speak
to
the
the
farsley
festival
as
well
and
just
have
a
chat
with
them
about
that.