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A
Good
morning
welcome,
this
is
andy.
Both
from
government
services
under
agenda
item
number
one
councillor
ben
garner
was
appointed
as
chair
prior
to
the
meeting.
Can
I
just
ask
members
present
to
confirm
that
they're
happy
with
this
right,
not
there
from
councillor
martial
and
council
of
buckley?
Thank
you.
Can
I
pass
over
to
you.
Please
chat.
B
Thanks
andy
morning,
everyone
and
welcome
to
this
remote
hearing
of
the
licensing
cup
committee.
Mine
is
councillor
ben,
garner
and
I'll
be
chairing
today's
hearing
as
you've
just
heard
before
we
proceed
further.
I
can
remind
everyone
that
today's
meeting
is
being
streamed
live
again,
as
andy's
just
pointed
out
on
the
city
council,
youtube
channel,
counselors,
buckley
and
marshall
catton
just
to
introduce
sales.
Please.
B
Thank
you
and
just
to
confirm
that,
although
remote
this
meeting
of
the
licensing
subcommittee
meets
the
requirements
of
the
council's
constitution,
while
the
items
today
will
be
fully
discussed
as
usual-
and
you
know
in
the
meeting
and
on
the
stream
itself,
remote
attendance
requires
a
few
slight
changes
and
to
how
we
manage
the
debate.
A
few
of
you
have
been
through
this
a
few
times
before,
but
just
as
a
reminder
can
only
attend
these
microphones
unless
I
invite
them
to
speak
just
to
stop
any
background.
B
Noise
keep
cameras
on
if
possible
during
the
hearing,
and
everyone
will
be
invited
to
introduce
themselves
at
the
start
of
the
hearing,
just
to
make
it
clear
to
public
observers
and
to
each
other
who
will
be
involved
in
proceedings,
and
so
just
ask
for
your
assistance
and
patience
as
per
usual.
Could
I
invite
officers
to
introduce
themselves
please
and
and
meet
you
microphones
once
you've
introduced
yourselves
I'll
start
with
rob
brown.
E
Good
morning,
sorry,
I'm
trying
to
unmute
that
my
name
is
robert
brown.
I'm
a
solicitor
in
lead
city
council's
legal
services
and
I'm
the
legal
advisor
to
the
subcommittee
this
morning.
F
Good
morning
everybody,
my
name
is
matthew,
part
of
entertainment,
licensing
and
today
I'm
supported
by
samantha,
longfellow,
bennica
and
now
aziz
khan.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
A
B
That's
great,
thank
you.
I
think
that's
it's
in
terms
of
offices
supporting
so
thank
you
very
much.
Could
I
ask
the
applicants
and
representatives
just
to
introduce
yourselves?
Please
we've
got
mr
semper
and
mr
dodson
good.
B
And
mr
dodson,
do
you
want
to
quickly
introduce
yourself
just
so
everyone's
aware
who
you
are
on
the
on
the
stream
hi
good.
B
Well,
thank
you.
Thank
you
both
and
we've
got
the
objectives
to
the
application
so
just
going
through
and
we've
got
mr
mudge.
B
I
Hello,
my
name
is
john
henley,
I'm
a
public
health
officer
for
the
west,
I'm
part
of
the
locality
and
primary
care
team,
public
health,
lead
city,
council.
B
That's
fine
I'll
I'll
watch
out
for
him
just
in
case
and
I'm
sure
peter
you'll.
Let
us
know
I'm
following
them:
we've
got
a
counselor
james,
mckenna,
jim,
just
a
quick
introduction.
If
you
could.
J
B
A
Thank
you,
chair
right
under
a
gender
item
number
two:
there
are
no
appeals
against
a
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents
under
agenda
item
number.
Three:
we've
got
no
exempt
information
on
the
agenda
today.
Agenda
item
number
four:
there
are
no
late
items,
but
there
has
been
some
supplementary
information
sense
which
has
included
anti-social,
behavior
and
crime
data
and
also
two
statements
of
truth.
B
Thanks:
andy:
sorry:
gender
item
number:
six.
The
main
item
today
is
the
application
for
the
grand
total
premises
license
for
no
problem
off
license
and
convenience
store,
41
and
image
road.
Could
the
legal
advisors
to
the
subcommittee
outline
the
procedure
for
the
hearing?
Please
rob.
E
I
suggested
the
representation
is
dealt
with
in
in
the
following
order,
mr
mudge,
to
go
first
because
he
has
at
least
one
witness.
I
understand
and
then
followed
by
councillor
mckenna.
Are
you
happy
with
that?
Chair.
B
That
sounds
okay,
if,
if
everyone's
happy,
unless
people
have
places
to
go
but-
and
we
do
ask
if
you
can
stay
if
possible,
but
that
seems
fine
with
me.
E
The
usual
time
limit
applied
is
15
minutes
per
party,
and
the
applicant
may
wish
to
split
their
allocation
between
their
initial
presentation
and
their
response
to
the
other
parties,
for
example,
10
minutes
initially
and
five
minutes
at
the
end.
Can
I
ask
first
the
applicant's
representative,
mr
semper:
do
you
feel
that
15
minutes
will
be
sufficient
for
you
to
make
your
presentation.
G
Yeah,
that's
that's
a
really
good
point.
That
is,
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
ask
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
introduce
I
got.
I
got
timed
out
last
time
because
I
used
up
most
of
my
time
at
the
beginning
and
then
we
listened
to
over
an
hour,
maybe
an
hour
and
a
half
of
objections,
and
then
I
was
left
with
five
minutes
to
answer
them.
G
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
just
introduce
the
application
to
you
and
the
applicant
and
explain
the
outline
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
then
save
the
majority
of
my
presentation
to
the
summary
whereby
I
can
I
can
address
the
individual
representations
of
the
subject
matter:
the
representation,
so
I'm
thinking
20
minutes
five
to
kick
off
15
at
the
other
end.
If
that's
okay,
sir.
E
And
can
I
just
check
with
mr
mudge:
do
you
feel
that
15
minutes
or
20
minutes
would
be
sufficient
for
you.
H
H
E
All
okay,
councillor
mckenna.
J
E
Okay,
thank
you
and
chairs,
and
members
it's
up
to
you
to
decide
whether
or
not
to
allow
more
than
the
usual
15
minutes.
But
can
I
ask
you
to
consider
that
if
you
want
to
go
into
private
session.
A
H
H
B
I
think
that's
reasonable
in
the
circumstance-
and
we
haven't
got
quite
the
number
of
objects
since
last
time,
as
mr
semper
mentioned,
so
I'm
I
think
I'll
be
fine.
Neil
and
abigail.
Are
we
okay
with
that
yeah.
E
Okay,
thank
you
and
in
that
case,
a
time
limit
of
20
minutes
per
party
will
apply
after
each
presentation.
The
subcommittee
members
may
wish
to
ask
questions
and
the
time
for
questions
to
be
asked
and
answered
is
in
addition
to
the
time
limit
set
for
presentations.
E
Please
note
we
do
not
permit
cross-examination
in
subcommittee.
If
any
party
feels
there
is
a
crucial
question
that
needs
to
be
asked
and
answered.
Please
do
not
ask
the
person
directly,
but
instead
make
a
request
to
the
chair
or
then
determine
whether
or
not
the
question
should
be
put.
E
Parties
may
request
permission
to
call
witnesses,
and
in
this
case
I
know
that
both
mr
mudge
and
mr
semper
intend,
I
think,
to
call
witnesses.
Are
there
any
other
additional
witnesses
that
which
any
party
wishes
to
call.
E
E
And
all
documents
that
have
previously
been
submitted
have
been
copied
and
circulated
to
this
subcommittee
in
advance.
You
should
have
the
same
original
packs,
consisting
of
a
main
bundle
number
to
58
and
a
supplementary
pack
consisting
of
26
pages.
E
If
anybody
doesn't
have
those
packs,
then
could
you
let
me
know
okay,
it
would
be
helpful
when
referring
to
documents
to
identify
which
document
you're,
referring
to
by
its
bundle
page
number.
Additional
documents
may
now
only
be
tabled
with
the
consent
of
all
the
parties.
Does
anybody
have
any
additional
documents
which
they
would
like
to
refer
to
today,
which
aren't
already
included
in
the
bundles?
E
E
All
parties
will
be
informed
once
the
hearing
has
ended
and
will
be
advised
to
the
decision
in
writing
within
five
working
days
of
today.
Can
I
ask
if
there
are
any
questions
about
the
procedure
we
propose
to
follow
before
we
start.
B
Thanks
rob:
could
I
ask
the
licensing
officer
to
present
the
application?
Please
matthew.
F
Yeah,
of
course
thank
you
chair,
so
this
morning,
members
are
asked
to
consider
an
application
for
the
grant
of
a
premises
license
for
no
problem.
Convenience
store,
41
army
ridge,
road
armor
leads
ls-12.
The
application
explains
that
the
premises
will
operate
as
a
mini
market
and
grocery
store.
F
Copies
of
these
representations
are
located
at
appendix
e
of
the
report,
and
the
licensing
authorities
also
receive
instruction
that
councilman
mckenna,
who
is
present
today
is
representing
the
views
of
local
constituents,
and
that
chair
is
an
outline
of
the
application.
Thank
you.
B
Thanks
matthew
so
going
on
to
the
applicants
and
mr
semper,
if
you
want
to
put
forward
your
case,
we
agreed
on
20
minutes,
but
from
what
you
said
earlier,
the
first
part
will
be
a
bit
shorter
with
a
bit
more
of
a
summary
at
the
end,
following
your
first
bit.
Of
course,
there'll
be
questions
from
from
members
as
well,
which
won't
eat
into
your
time.
So
mr
semper.
G
Good
morning
again,
okay,
now,
for
the
reasons
given
at
the
start
of
the
hearing,
I
will
introduce
the
application
to
you
and
preserve
my
minutes
left
so
that
I
can
answer
any
concerns
raised
further
upstream.
So
before
you
use
the
application
itself,
it
speaks
for
itself.
G
G
We've
also
furnished
two
statements
of
truth,
which
contain
hyperlinks
to
two
videos
of
environmental,
visual
audits
of
army
ridge,
road
and
army.
More
that
we've
compiled
over
the
last
couple
of
weekends.
These
products,
these
video
products,
simply
demonstrate
a
the
low
level
of
litter
in
the
locale
of
the
application.
Two.
G
What
that
litter
represents
I.e
an
absence
of
street
drinkers
at
this
locality,
three,
the
types
of
product
that
street
drinkers
on
army
moore
do
favor,
which
we
will
not
stock,
incidentally,
and
four-
the
opinions
of
neighbouring
businesses
and
local
residents,
albeit
only
one
neighbor,
wanted
to
provide
his
details
and
credentials.
G
You
get
a
lot
of
that
people.
People
get
a
bit
nervous
about
it.
Okay,
we've
also
provided
we've
also
included
a
a
video
tour
of
the
new
shop,
introducing
you
to
the
applicant,
mr
johnson,
demonstrating
that
it
is
at
the
top
end
of
the
market
regarding
equipment,
furnishings
and
feel.
G
Consequently,
we
feel
these
documents
and
videos
speak
for
themselves
and
we
will
address
specific
issues
raised
during
the
representations
in
my
summing
up
at
the
end.
Thank
you.
B
C
Yes,
it's
slightly
difficult
to
ask
questions
at
this
stage
because
of
the
briefness,
the
brevity
of
mr
semper's
initial
remarks,
but
presumably
just
to
get
clear.
The
premises
are
already
operating.
C
G
B
Counselor
marshall,
any
questions
for
mr
semper.
D
B
Okay,
I've
got
a
couple,
thank
you.
So,
mr
empowered,
you
say:
there's
not
much
litter
and
you've
outlined
in
your
statement
of
truth.
How
much
how
much
you
found,
but
how?
How
many
discarded
drinks,
bottles
or
cans
would
you
say
is
enough
to
show
a
street
drinking
problem.
G
Well,
one
piece
of
discarded
litter
is
a
problem.
What
I'm
after
showing
is
that
it's
not
a
disproportionate
problem
and
what
the
local
population
are
discarding,
I.e,
what
kind
of
alcoholic
products
they're
drinking
and
what
kind
of
and
where
they're
drinking
it
that
that
was
the
purpose
of
that
submission.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
and
you
mentioned
there
about
what
what
won't
be
stocked.
Would
you
be
willing
for
that
as
a
condition,
and
then
could
you
go
over
what
what
you
want
stock
or
what
you're
not
intending
to
stock
and
how
that
links
to
the
street
drinking
problems.
G
That's
that's
a
really
good
point.
Clearly,
we
will
do
whatever
this
panel
specifies
and
if
that
is
a
an
upper
limit
on
percentage,
abv
drinks
that
we
offer
in
a
beer,
cider
or
lagers,
so
be
it,
and
if
it
is,
if
your
recommendation
is
no
single
sales
of
individual
cans,
so.
G
B
You
just
froze
mid-sentence
there,
mr
semper,
you
finish
it
just
throws
after
individual
cans,
I'm
not
sure
if
you're
back
back
with
us,
no,
it
doesn't
look
like
it.
D
B
He's
frozen
yeah
last
time
we
could
come
back
to
mr
semper
just
because
it
looks
like
it's
still
frozen,
but
please
do
give
us
a
a
nod
or
a
wave
if
you're
on
frozen
and
we'll
tell
you
if
we
see
you
and
if
you
can
still
hear
us,
we'll
leave
we'll
leave
at
that
and
give
mr
semper
a
chance
to
he
would
get
back
on
the
call
or
get
oh
he's
gone
completely,
get
back
on
the
call.
It
seems
only
fair
to
pause
a
little.
Would
you
agree.
F
I'm
just
going
to
try
and
get
them,
I'm
just
going
to
try
and
get
in
contact
with
nick
see
if
we
can
get
him
connected
again
with
two.
B
B
B
Well,
which
I
know
I've
noticed:
we've
got
john
mccain's
and
just
come
into
the
car,
we'll.
Let
you
introduce
yourself
john
once
mr
semper
is
back
in
and
everyone's
in
the
room,
but
if
we
could
just
remind
you
to
put
your
microphone
on
mute
while
we,
while
we
wait
and
that'll,
be
fantastic,
but
welcome
we'll
give
a
quick
introduction
in
a
few
minutes.
Hopefully.
F
F
F
B
That's
quite
around
welcome
back.
We
just
had
you
a
mid-sentence
about
the
you
just
left
off
our
frills
to
us
or
got
off
the
call
all
right
after
you
said
about
single
cans.
G
My
point
being
that,
whatever
you
want,
sir
we're
very
mindful
that
you
are
in
charge
of
licensing
your
leads,
and
if
you
want
seeing
no
single
sales
or
cans,
you
can
have
them,
sir,
and
if
you
want
a
limit
on
the
percentage
abv
of
cans
of
beer
sidereenarga
again,
we
will
do
whatever
you
want.
That's
my
point,
sir.
B
Thank
you,
and
I'm
sure
you
mean
us
as
a
council
rather
than
me
personally,
but
thank
you
there's
no
other
questions
for
mr
semper
from
me
and
neil
abigail.
Can
I
just
check
if
you've
thought
of
anything.
B
At
this
stage,
joe,
that's
fine,
thank
you.
We've
got
one
other
introduction
and
just
to
make,
and
it's
one
of
peter
mudge's
witnesses,
john
mckimmings
who's
just
got
into
the
call.
Do
you
mind
introducing
yourself
john
to
everyone
who's
on
the
call
and
and
for
reminding
you
that
we
have
been
streamed
so
people
watching
the
stream
as
well?
That's
really
useful.
K
B
Well,
thank
you
and
we'll
we'll
get
to
once
we
get
to
the
witness
stage
and
the
objectives.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
So
we're
on
to
that
stage
now
for
the
objectives,
as
we've
not
got
any
further
questions
for
the
applicant
or
applicant's
representative,
mr
mudge,
could
I
invite
you
to
make
your
case
up
to
20
minutes?
Please,
and
then
would
the
witness
says
robin
just
double
checking
this
be
part
of
mr
mudge's
time.
E
Yes,
they
would,
they
haven't,
put
their
own
individual
representations
in
so
they
would
be
included
in
his
his
allocation.
That's
fine!
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
peter
over
to
you
and
your
two
witnesses.
H
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair,
to
reassure
people
I'll,
I
think
we'll
certainly
be
able
to
fit
within
20
minutes
without
any
problems,
because,
of
course,
we
have
to
so
I'll
start.
With
my
comments,
I've
been
working
in
helping
the
neighborhood
centers
of
leads,
there's
66
of
them.
In
this
wide
remit.
H
There
are
only
two
where
action
plans
have
been
drawn
up
to
undertake
piece
by
piece
work
with
colleagues,
the
police,
the
last
part,
probably
healthy,
that
I
won't
go
through
the
whole
remit,
but
all
the
people
who
work
in
the
area
and
key
to
that
as
well.
Businesses
to
help
make
the
area
a
safer
and
more
attractive
area
for
shopping
and
for
people
to
come
to,
and
indeed
economically
better,
as
you
probably
guessed
harmony
tone
center
is
one
of
these
two
areas
where
special
action
plans
have
been
needed
there.
H
The
action
plans
have
been
called
for
because
across
the
city
we're
trying
to
raise,
we
realize
there's
huge
inequalities
and
we're
trying
to
raise
the
areas
suffering
most
nearer
to
the
other
areas.
So
the
whole
city
benefits
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
army
shopping
area,
the
site
in
question
that
joins
one
of
the
most
problematic
illegal
drinking
areas
in
yorkshire
and
if
we,
if
another
off
license,
is
or
place
selling
alcohol
is
alone
to
open.
H
My
fear
is
that
this
will
exacerbate
already
problematic
drinking
problem
for
the
area
and
asb
will
rise
into
that
area
as
it
has
already
along
the
main
street.
H
The
fact
only
has
cumulative
impact
policy
upon
me.
So
sorry,
I'll
just
take
an
old
screen
mushy.
The
fact
only
has
a
cumulative
impact
policy
which
ends
at
the
more,
which
is
at
most
a
couple
of
hundred
yards
from
the
site
where
the
application
is
for
it
shows
the
tremendous
problems
of
drinking
the
vicinity.
H
It's
not
that
there's
no
problems,
no
issues
beyond
that
that
area
of
army
is
one
of
the
worst
in
the
region
for
the
problem
of
drinking,
allowing
an
application
to
go
onto
the
border
of
this
will
surely
only
exacerbate
the
problem
from
the
town
centre
into
a
residential
area.
H
However,
it's
not
in
the
sip
area,
but
whilst
it's
just
outside
that,
it's
well
within
the
pspo
area.
This
public
services,
public
spaces
protection,
orders
area,
and
this
includes
the
tone
center
and
goes
down
to
an
area
called
moorfield
road,
which
is
only
a
little
bit
beyond
where
the
application
is
for.
But
it
is.
H
A
recent
review
confirmed
of
pspo's
cross
leads
confirmed.
It
should
remain
running
along
warfield
road
which
keeps
this
supermarket
plan
within
that
area.
The
description
of
the
latest
review
of
pspos
in
leeds
notes.
We
only
introduce
pspos
if
asb
happens,
often
and
harm
the
residents
quality
of
life.
H
We've
worked
with
partners,
including
the
police
and
local
councillors,
to
agree
all
of
our
proposals,
so
my
understanding
from
that
is
that
there
is
problems
with
alcohol
in
that
area
and
it
affects
people's
quality
of
life.
I
have
no
other
proof
of
that.
I
hope
the
lazbach
team
will
be
speaking
in
a
while
and
also
any
information
we
have
from
the
police
coach
safely.
H
And
increasing
contact
issues
arising
from
the
nearby
sale
of
alcohol,
which
should
be
detrimental
to
personally
I've
experienced
I'm
sure
many
people
have
problems
with
drugs
and
drugs
at
the
top
of
that
street.
I
do.
I
do
accept
not
quite
down
to
where
the
shop
is,
but
certainly
on
that
road,
and
only
the
other
day.
H
I
turned
to
drive
down
there
and
there
was
three
people
standing
in
the
road
one
right
in
the
center,
who
obviously
is
drugged
off
their
heads.
So
there
are
problems
in
the
air
and
I
think
anything
we
can
do
to
reduce.
That
is
too
good.
I
fear
another
off
license
would
draw
the
problems
further
down
bridge
roads
and,
while
in
helping
us
to
resolve
problems
on
town
street,
it
could
in
fact
exacerbate
them.
H
Finally,
I'd
like
to
say
the
site
is
opposite
interplay
theatre,
which
is
a
hub
of
research
and
development,
creating
sensory
theater
and
providing
community
events
for
residents
of
leeds
it's
a
public
area.
It
attracts
a
lot
of
youth
using
it,
and
many
children
from
the
local
community
rely
on
this
for
their
social
welfare.
H
That's
all
I
wanted
to
say
on
this,
but
if
I
may
I'd
like
to
invite
john
the
kimmings
to
speak
next
from
the
anti-social
behavior
team
and
then
jonathan
hindley
from
public
health
subsequently,
thank
you
very
much.
K
Thank
you
peter.
Yes,
in
terms
of
being
on
the
social
behavior
team
covering
the
western
northwest
area.
Blades
army
is
one
of
the
more
problematic
ward
areas
we
deal
with
and
there's
a
number
of
very
different
issues
within
the
community,
and
I'm
sure
mr
hindley
will
explain
things
around
sort
of
indices
of
deprivation
and
like
poor
mental
and
physical
health,
also
prevalences
alcohol
use
and
class
a
drug
use
in
relation
to
the
the
town
street
area.
K
K
Quite
a
number
of
these
issues
have
descended
into
violent
crime
and
obviously
the
the
wider
area
which
extends
past
town
street
to
over
ridge,
road,
past
charlie
cake
park
and
on
towards
little
scotland.
There
have
been
quite
a
few
very
high
profile
incidents.
K
K
We
often
get
issues
in
the
town
street
area
in
regards
to
street
drinkers
and
things
that
come
along
with
that,
such
as
verbal
abuse
and
also
things
like
public
urination
and
people
being
incapable
in
some
way
due
to
due
to
drink
or
or
drug
consumption,
also
just
off
town
street
and
just
to
the
other
side
of
armley
moore
at
pizza
referred.
K
So
there
are
some
residential
tower
blocks
and
adjacent
to
those
is
a
small
parade
of
shops
on
gelder
road,
with
some
some
steps
that
go
down
into
the
car
parker
for
tower
blocks.
We
have
had
recent
reports
of
like
vagrancy
within
there
and
someone's
actually
been
confronted
by
a
man
in
a
sleeping
bag,
brandishing
a
machete,
so
the
situation
army
at
the
moment
is
is,
is
quite
volatile.
There's
a
number
of
different
issues
at
play
and
also
you.
K
There
has
been
quite
a
lot
of
negative
publicity,
both
in
newspapers
and
on
local
social
media
in
relation
to
people
who've
gone
to
a
local
mp
to
say
you
know
how
how
they
feel
living
in
the
army
area,
and
the
common
factor
is
that
we
feel
too
intimidated
at
some
points
to
use
the
shopping
area
and
we're
concerned
about
alcohol
use
and
drugs
and
violent
crime.
K
So
in
terms
of
the
army
area
at
the
moment
it
seems
very,
very
negative
when
all
the
partners
are
working
very,
very
hard
to
try
and
enhance
the
positives.
As
peter
said,
you
know,
make
it
a
desirable
place
to
to
go
and
go
and
do
your
shopping
and
use
the
local
facilities
and
there's
also
quite
a
lot
of
sort
of
support
provision.
In
that
area.
There
was
a
medical
center.
There
was
a
sheltered
housing
scheme,
but
all
kind
of
face
onto
onto
town
street.
K
So
the
aims
of
the
partnership
to
make
army
safe
and
desirable
for
people
to
people
to
to
go
there
and
go
about
their
business
shopping,
using
using
banks
and
chemists
and
doctors
and
that
kind
of
stuff.
So,
as
I
say
at
the
moment,
harmony
is
an
area
of
concern
and
you
know,
along
with
with
peter
you
know,
we
we
looked
at
the
cumulative
impact
for
well
on
a
very
sound
evidential
base
from
of
all
the
partnership
in
terms
of
the
effect
that
alcohol
has
within
anti-social,
behavior
and
and
within
the
community.
K
You
know
going
back
to
what
we're
saying
about
some
of
some
of
the
issues
in
the
army
ward
area
around
poor
mental
and
mental
and
physical
health,
and
I
think
we
with
peter
saying
that
you
know
it
is.
B
K
This
this
proposed
premises
is
very
very
close
to
the
the
town
street
area
and
within
the
public
space
protection
order
area
which
is
currently
in
the
process
of
being
renewed
and,
as
peter
says,
the
evidence
base
is
there
to
still
maintain
prohibitions
around
being
in
possession
of
alcohol
in
in
a
public
place.
K
So
the
concern
would
be
that
if
there's
a
another
outlet,
just
on
the
on
the
cusp
of
this
sort
of
problematic
area,
it
could
even
unwittingly
contribute
to
to
that
kind
of
scenario
which
is
making
residents
and
people
using
using
the
town
street
area.
Uncomfortable.
K
I
Yeah,
thank
you.
We,
I
understand
that
harm
to
healthy
individuals
is
not
a
consideration,
but
what
we're
concerned
about
from
public
health?
It's
the
wider
determinants
of
health
strain
on
services
and
the
impact
on
our
local
youth.
I
So
we
are
concerned
about
granting
these
premises
a
license,
not
only
because
of
the
cumulative
effect
of
adding
to
yet
another
licensed
premises
in
an
area
with
high
levels
of
antisocial,
behavior
crime
and
high
admissions
to
accidents
and
emergency
services
due
primarily
to
alcohol
related
harm,
but
because
it
provides
another
easy,
accessible
source
of
cheap
budget,
alcoholic
beverages
to
a
large
resident
alcohol
dependent
community,
and
we
have
got
a
large
community
of
recovering
drug-addicted.
I
Alcohol-Dependent
citizens
in
that
area.
We're
concerned
about
the
social
environment,
impact
of
hardened
drinkers,
moving
from
venue
to
venue
off
license
to
off
license
in
search
of
cheap
alcoholic
beverages
or
even
just
alcoholic
beverages
if
they
have
been
refused
for
another
outlet,
and
we
see
that
ourselves,
many
of
you
would
have
been
out
about
on
armytown
streets
at
night
and
early
evening,
and
you
can
see
crowds
of
of
inebriated
drinkers
moving
from
outlet
to
outlet
to
secure
drink.
I
I
We
know
this
environment
strongly
influences
those
from
vulnerable,
complex
family
backgrounds
and
high
levels
of
deprivation
in
the
area
and
the
massive
detrimental
impact
of
the
pandemic
on
services,
where
a
lot
of
local
residents
and
citizens
across
the
city
have
turned
to
alcohol,
put
an
extra
strain
on
our
services
and
then
my
time
before,
working
as
a
council
officer
in
the
third
sector,
many
of
the
young
men
I
work
with
when
asked
about
their
aspirations,
was
to
drink,
larger
and
sit
in
front
of
the
television,
and
we
know
that
the
environment
there's
lots
of
robust
peer-reviewed
evidence
to
suggest
that
the
environment
has
an
impact
on
young
people,
especially
the
people
we're
trying
to
support
from
extremely
complex
and
vulnerable
backgrounds.
I
The
last
point
I
wanted
to
make
was
strain
on
services,
so
I
know
health
harms
is
not
a
licensed
objective,
but
currently,
due
to
central
funding
cuts,
our
lcc
commissioned
local
harm
reduction
and
our
clinical
commissioning
group
are
under
a
lot
of
strain
and
unfortunately,
because
of
the
response
to
the
pandemic,
there
are
more
cuts
on
the
way,
so
the
central
funding
cuts
to
alkaline
drug
treatment
services
puts
the
service
under
considerable
strain,
compounded
again
by
the
pandemic.
I
There
are
sufficient
peer-reviewed
evidence
to
explain
how
local
residents
with
alcohol
substance
abuse
issues
can
be
influenced
by
their
immediate
environment
and
easy
access
to
alcohol.
We
know
an
army
ward,
where
community
members
aren't
being
supported.
Drug
dealing,
anti-social,
behavior
and
nuisance
increases,
as
john's
explained,
also
has
a
massive
impact
on
the
mental
emotional
health
of
local
residents,
and
as
john
and
peter
rightly
point
out,
this
is
a
ward
that
is
under
tremendous
pressure.
I
I
It
validated
my
appetite:
alcohol
dependency
has
to
be
the
ugliest
and
most
harmful
condition
in
our
modern
age,
and
yet
we
continue
to
feed
it.
We
pamper
it,
we
celebrate
it
and
it's
a
quote
from
an
ex-drinker.
We
are
worried.
This
extra
resource
for
drinkers
will
put
an
increasing
strain
on
our
services.
When
we
know
more
cuts
are
on
the
way.
B
Thank
you
I'll,
throw
you
there.
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
questions
from
counselor
martial
council,
booklet,
first
of
all,
for
ava
pizza,
john
john.
D
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much
all
for
all
your
contributions.
I
do
understand
from
mr
semper
that
any
business
would
like
to
obviously
add
more
value
and
more
business
to
their
business,
and
that's
why
they
are
wanting
to
go
into
the
sales
of
alcohol.
I
am
actually
more
concerned
about
the
prevalence
of
alcohol
and
drug
use
in
the
army
area
and
the
environmental
impact
on
young
people.
I
Thank
you
councillor.
Yes
out
of
the
areas,
and
I'm
talking
about
hair
hills
and
chapel
town
areas
of
little
london.
It
has
one
of
the
largest
numbers
of
drug
dependent
users
and
obviously
now
there's
a
21
increase
directly
due.
We
think,
due
to
the
kovid
19
pandemic,
people
losing
their
jobs
and
turning
to
alcohol
and
drugs
as
a
form
of
release.
So
it
is
putting
a
lot
of
our
services
under
strain.
Obviously,
as
you
know,
it's
been
well
documented.
Lead
city
council
is
under
financial
pressure
because
of
the
emergency
hubs.
I
So
when
the
decision
comes
to
recommission
some
of
these
services,
it's
likely
that
there
will
there
will
be
cuts.
We're
expecting,
but
we
don't
know
yet,
because
obviously
leeds
has
got
a
high
level
of
infection
rates.
I
We're
increasing
we're
expecting
the
the
kind
of
increase
on
services
in
these
deprived
wars,
these
10
most
deprived
wars
of
which
armies
want
to
increase
by
another
10.
I
So
we
are
concerned,
we
won't
know
until
the
end
of
the
year
and
when
we
can
see
infection
rates
and
when
we
can
see
what
the
employment
markets
like
and
we
can
have
a
look
at
the
indices
of
multiple
deprivation
for
the
army
ward,
but
we
are
expecting
an
increased
usage
and
also
it
took
us
a
long
time
to
get
forward
leads
into
harmley
because
of
resident
complaints,
obviously
because
they
thought
it
would
attract
more
anti-social
behavior.
I
So
we
we
are.
We
are
concerned
that
it
will
just
negate
any
of
the
work
they
do.
We
wanted
to
prove
to
local
residents
that
it
was
a
valuable
service
and
it
would
help
and
support
our
most
vulnerable
residents
in
this
ward
and
surrounding
areas,
because,
obviously
the
problem
doesn't
stay.
Put
these
hard
drinkers
move
around.
I
C
Yes,
please
chair
just
a
couple
of
questions
for
for
john,
if
I
can
I'd
just
like
to
thank
the
contributors
so
far
for
being
so
clear
in
all
the
comments
that
they've
made
and
just
for
their
information,
although
the
ward
I
represent,
is
across
the
other
side
of
the
city,
I
am
actually
quite
familiar
with
this
area
from
a
previous
period
of
my
life,
and
so
I
do
know
a
little
bit
about
about
the
area,
and
I
just
wanted
to
develop
this
theme
that
john
touched
on
in
that
we
sometimes
talk
about
the
cumulative
impact
policy
areas
and,
of
course,
this
application
falls
just
outside.
C
But
I
just
wanted
him
to
confirm
or
or
comment
on
on
my
thought
that,
even
if
it's
outside
a
cip
area,
the
literally
the
cumulative
impact
still
applies,
and
secondly,
on
a
similar
point
that-
and
I
think
john
touched
on
this-
that
even
if
an
individual
application
had
merits
hypothetically
that,
nevertheless,
the
granting
of
further
and
further
licenses
does
actually
make
the
area
look
as
if
it's
particularly
appealing
to
this
kind
of
street
drinking
and
all
that
kind
of
thing.
Thank
you,
chair.
I
I
Sorry
chair.
Thank
you.
Yes,
counselor.
I
can
confirm
that
before
that,
before
I
work
for
the
council
15
years
in
the
third
sector
and
I
know
to
engage
in
a
hardened
drink,
it
can
take
12
to
18
months
to
make
any
breakthrough.
I
think
that
the
movement
of
drinkers
they
move
out.
They
don't
kind
of
stay
in
designated
areas
for
cumulative
impact,
and
this
is
all
about
the
wider
determinants
of
health.
I
So,
even
though
you
have
an
area
of
special
interest
where
the
local
authorities
and
third
sector
organizations
and
charities
and
harm
reduction
services
worried
about
drinkers,
will
move
out
of
these
and
we'll
drink
and
purchase
alcohol
in
the
peripheries
of
all
of
these
areas.
We
know
this
is
true
from
from
chapel
town
and
hair
hills,
making
it
difficult
for
them
to
to
be
trapped
and
to
help-
and
I
suppose
the
other
comment
about
this
is
that
it
does
make
it
a
magnet
for
affordable
alcohol.
I
So
a
concentration
of
just
just
as
a
concentration
of
takeaways
kind
of
an
impact
on
on
that
ward's
health,
a
concentration
of
outlets
itself,
alcohol
or
cheap
alcohol
or
any
alcohol
at
all,
will
definitely
be
a
magnet
and
we
have
anecdotal
tales
of
people
traveling
from
the
city
or
homeless
people
as
john's
mentioned,
moved
from
city
when
they've
been
moved
on
going
down
to
army
because
there
is
a
affordable
alcohol.
So
yes,
councillor
in
my
professional
judgment,
I'd
say:
you're
correct.
I
These
issues
do
seep
out
into
the
air
at
the
peripheries
of
these
decimated
areas.
It
certainly
is
my
time
working
for
healthy
living
network
leads
and
barker.
I
would
say
this
is
true.
K
Thank
you,
jonathan.
From
my
perspective,
I
mean
also
I've
got
quite
a
lot
of
affinity
with
the
army
area,
boredom
brought
up
and
used
to
go
to
church
school.
So
I
know
the
area
very,
very
well
in
the
proximity
of
everything
and
how
things
have
changed
over
time.
John
does
make
a
valid
point
about
the
transference
of
people
from
other
areas.
There's
been
quite
a
lot
of
high
publicised
work
done
in
the
city
center,
around
engagement
and
enforcement
for
alcohol
and
drug
issues,
rough
sleeping,
those
kind
of
things.
K
People
tend
to
gravitate
then
to
take
a
line
of
least
resistance
if
that
makes
sense,
so
the
army
area
is
actually
quite
a
desirable
area
for
people
who
have
that
street
life,
because
you
know
if
people
are
begging
for
begging
for
money.
For
example,
you've
got
a
stream
of
of
people
that
you
you
can
you
can
ask
for
money
because
shops,
sometimes
you
know,
look
like,
for
example,
there's
a
greggs.
K
K
There
is
a
prevalence
of
places
where
you
can
buy
alcohol,
and
then
you
know
you,
you
look
at
town
street
as
an
example,
and
you
know
you
will
see
people
who
are
sprawled
out
on
the
floor,
sprawled
out
on
benches
in
shop
doorways,
and
things
like
that,
so
you
know
it.
It
does
all
contribute
to
that
feeling
that
army
isn't
a
safe
place
and
I
think,
in
terms
of
point
you
make
in
terms
of
a
cumulative
impact
policy.
K
I
I
think
that
you
are
you
you
are
right.
I
mean
boundaries
have
to
be
somewhere
and
obviously
when
you,
when
you
look
at
the
main
focus
of
that,
it
was
around
with
a
sort
of
town,
street
and
and
the
sort
of
surrounding
streets
up
towards
some
bartholomews
and
and
down
towards
moorfield,
and
so
you
know,
I
I
think
that
you
are.
K
You
are
correct
that
having
another
outlet
around
and
about
that
area
will
probably
have
a
sort
of
it
will
add
some
accumulative
impacts,
even
though
it's
not
in
that
specific
area,
and
one
of
the
other
things
that
I
did
mention
before
is
actually
the
council
housing
stock
in
that
area
does
house
quite
a
lot
of
vulnerable
people,
and
I've
noticed
you
know
there
is
the
sheltered
housing
complex,
but
high-rise.
Accommodation
in
leeds
is
an
example,
because
there's
four
four
tower
blocks
in
close
proximity
to
to
the
area.
K
They
sometimes
have
been
resettled
street
users,
for
example,
so
in
the
westerlies
area
I
know
of
a
number
of
flats
where
you
know
because
people
have
been
in
high
need
and
the
property
is
available
they
get
housed
in
there
and
that
also
then
attracts
their
cohort
of
friends,
but
also,
you
know
just
just
thinking
about
the
sort
of
harm
reduction
side
of
things,
and
you
know
john
saying
how
hard
it
is
to
engage
with
a
hardened
alcohol
dependent
person
if
you've
got
those
kind
of
issues
that
you're
struggling
with
you're,
almost
tripping
over
alcohol
outlets.
K
B
Thank
you
both
covered
a
couple
of
questions
I
had
so
so
thanks
for
the
responses
there
as
well
for
for
any
of
the
john's
or
peter
really
in
the
statement
of
truth
from
mr
semper,
it
says
about
going
going
to
the
area
directly
around.
B
You
know
in
the
vicinity
of
the
applicants,
premises
and
seeing
a
few
cans
on
the
on
the
ground
and
not
being
indicative
of
of
street
drinking.
But
could
could
you
tell
us
when
and
where
so
what?
What
streets?
Exactly
and
as
well
as
town
street
or
if
it's
just
town
street
at
times
of
days,
certain
days
street
drinking,
is
a
problem
in
harmony.
H
The
problem
with
street
drinking
in
army,
I
venture
to
say,
as
the
third
biggest
city
we've
come
down
amongst
the
hardest.
In
and
all
of
the
uk
on,
we've
had
extra
police
on
board.
We've
had
last
part
working
hard
on
it.
We've
had
many
people,
we've
also
got
the
community
together
and
we
have
managed,
I
feel
so
others
may
disagree,
but
I
think
we
have
managed
to
reduce
the
amount
of
street
drinking
on
towne
street
and
on
branch
road
after
covered.
H
It
was
terrifying.
There
were
people
walking
everywhere
without
with
open
cans,
so
the
police
introduced
zero
tolerance.
So
they'd
take
the
alcohol
off
anybody.
They
saw
drinking
and
put
down
the
drain
in
front
of
them
and
explained
to
them.
They
weren't
allowed
to
be
drinking
there
because
it
was
zero
tolerance.
H
So
it's
gonna
be
nice
iron,
fist,
approach
on
town,
street
and
branch
road,
the
the
is
throughout
the
day.
It
is
less
snow
during
daytime,
but
in
the
evenings
it's
bad
there's
still
violent
situations
flare
up,
which
I'm
sure
coach
the
mechanic-
and
I
will
probably
better
be
able
to
tell
you
about
in
a
minute,
but.
H
B
B
Oh,
no,
no,
then
one
more
question
and
again
peter
you
may
be
able
to
answer
this.
Are
there
any
particular
drinks
that
causes
this
problem
in
harmony?
Is
it
different
from
elsewhere?
Is
it
other
particular
drinks
anomaly,
or
is
it
pretty
much
standard
across
either
across
the
problem
areas
of
leads
or
across
the
country,
and
what
types
of
drinks
are.
H
H
I
could
well
be
wrong
here,
but
I
have
done
some
research
on
super
strength,
stuff
and
the
only
place
where
I
think
it
had
limited
that
any
success
at
all
in
reductions
was
ipswich,
which
is
the
place
where
it's
heralded
because
they
put
a
huge
amount
of
work
in
there,
but
even
in
ipswich
they
said
only
had
limited
success
and
I
don't
feel
that
singling
out
any
particular
type
of
alcohol
would
do
it.
I
think
the
problem
is
that
the
people
will
they.
B
Thank
you
unless
there's
any,
are
there
any
other
questions
for
peter
or
two
john's
from
members.
K
I
was
just
going
to
ask
ask
council
if
I
could
just
come
in,
because
you
know
you
were
talking
about
the
areas
where
this
kind
of
thing
happens
with
street
drinking
and
the
the
asb
related
to
it.
There
has
been
a
bit
of
a
displacement
from
town
street
town
street
is
still
a
big
focus
because,
as
I
say,
you
know,
you've
got
alcohol
outlets.
You've
got
betting
shops,
you've
got
an
amusement,
arcade.
You've
got
greg's
all
kinds
of
things
that
attract
people
down
there.
K
We
do
get
issues
in
this
sort
of
streets
around
town
street,
in
terms
of,
as
I
mentioned
before,
gelder
road.
The
burnsell
tower
blocks
are
on
faker
lane
army
more
to
a
lesser
extent,
because
it's
it's
more
open
and
also,
as
you
go
up,
the
upper
back
of
the
army,
one
stop
towards
sort
of
whole
lane
area.
We
get
issues
of
street
drinking
and
vagrancy
around
there,
one
of
the
other
kind
of
things
that
we
do
get,
which
isn't
necessarily
street
drinking
related.
K
But
it's
in
the
area
of
little
scotland
around
the
aberdeens
around
the
paisleys,
where
people
don't
have
gardens
and
it's
quite
common
that
we
we
do
get
quite
a
few
complaints
of
people
being
rowdy
and
drunk
on
street,
where
they've
been
sat
on
the
doorstep,
having
having
a
few
tins
amongst
amongst
friends
or
amongst
family
members
and
then
start
arguing
and
carrying
on
with
each
other
in
the
street.
So
you
know
what
I
would
say
is
there
is
a
concentration
in
the
town
street
area
and
there's
immediate
streets
around
it.
K
In
fact,
that
kind
of
scenario
happens
mainly
on
an
evening,
but
the
street
street
drinking
around
with
sort
of
town
street
stretch
if
you
like
it,
can
be
at
any
point
of
day
from
early
morning
till
very
late
at
night,
and
I
think
that
where
we've
got
these,
these
tower
blocks
in
almost
a
town
centre
type
environment,
I've
been
dealt
with
vagrancy
issues
for
the
best
part
of
18
20
years
as
the
weather
turns
people
look
for
shelter
and
tower
blocks
in
leeds
are
particularly
vulnerable
to
that
kind
of
thing,
and
armely
is
easily
accessible
from
a
lot
of
places
in
in
leeds
and
there's
almost
an
environment
where
you
can
get
your
drink,
you
can
probably
beg
for
money
and
you
can
get
your
head
down
in
a
tower
block
or
we're
in
a
very
small
tightly
tightly
packed
area.
B
Okay,
thanks
john,
I
really
need
to
answer
tomorrow,
yeah
earlier
question.
Thank
you.
Unless
there's
anything
else,
we'll
we'll
move
on
to
councillor
mckenna,
I
have
up
up
to
20
minutes
and
then
and
then
questions
on
on
top
of
that.
If
members
have
questions
for
you
but
you're,
okay
to
go
to.
J
I
am
chair.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
don't
think
I'll
need
anything
like
20
minutes.
I
think
it's
been
adequately
covered
by
peter
jonathan
and
john
and
I'm
sure
you've
got
a
flavor
of
the
problems
that
infest
army
at
the
moment.
I'd
just
like
to
say
to
the
applicant
straight
off.
If
this
was
simply
a
convenience
store
that
might
even
welcome
it
so,
but
a
convenience
store
that
proposes
to
sell
alcohol
from
6am
to
11pm
in
an
area
where
we
have
a
profusion
of
alcohol.
J
The
problem
we
believe
as
local
council
is
that
the
more
alcoholic
outlets
come
into
army,
the
cheaper,
the
actually
cheaper
of
the
unicost
of
alcohol.
It
drives
the
price
down,
and
sometimes
it's
used
by
the
people
in
the
convenience
stores
to
get
people
through
their
doors
and
perhaps
buy
groceries
at
the
same
time.
J
So
therefore,
per
se,
we
do
object.
We've
been
fighting
street
drinking
in
army
for
about
eight
years
now
it
really
is
a
serious
problem.
There
was
a
question
from
you
chair.
How
does
army
differ
from
some
of
the
other
areas
like
heralds?
I
think
it
was
something
on
those
lines.
Well.
Army
is
unique
in
some
ways,
because
we
have
her
majesty's
prison
army
jail
there
and
a
lot
of
the
inmates.
J
I've
had
two
objections
from
local
people
who
don't
wish
their
names
to
be
to
be
given
out
publicly.
But
their
comments,
I
think,
is
what
me
saying.
One
of
them
says
I
was
wondering
if
you
can
help
with
the
above.
Well,
while
a
convenience
store
shop
would
be
welcome.
I
feel
the
sale
of
alcohol
would
not
help
the
area,
especially
as
the
proposed
opening
hours
are
6
to
11,
and
also
this
would
be
right
opposite
a
new
autism
home.
J
I
want
to
object,
but
I
don't
want
my
home
address
open
to
the
public.
It's
a
good
point
that
we
have
just
opened
a
home
for
autism
right
across
the
road
from
it.
We've
also,
of
course,
got
christchurch
junior
school
who
walked
past
this
place,
and
then
we
see
hangers
on
it's
just
an
awful
it's
an
awful
vision
for
them
to
see,
and
then
again
we
have
dickson
academy
and
a
lot
of
children
from
young
people
from
that
school
will
walk
home.
J
This
way
so
congregation,
which
we've
already
seen
in
town
street,
associated
with
with
alcohol
sales,
is
not
a
good
role
model
for
these
young
people
regarding
crime,
and
I
have
read
the
applicant's
statement
of
truth,
but
I
would
remind
that
just
very
recently-
and
you
probably
all
saw
a-
I
think
it
was
on
national
news.
There
was
a
carjacking
where
a
young
woman
was
forced
from
a
car,
and
her
car
was
driven
away
with
two
young
children
in
the
backseat.
J
So
it's
not
by
any
stretch
in
the
amount
of
asian
crime
free
the
car
was
later
found.
I
believe
in
rothwell
burn
dealt
that
is
a
matter
of
weeks
ago.
Regarding
evidence
of
alcohol
on
the
streets,
I
can
tell
you
that
I've
taken
part
in
a
community
cleanup
around
the
moor
and
council
cunningham
and
smart-
have
done
one
around
this
area
and
we
have
cleared
the
debris
and
remnants
of
alcohol
sale.
J
There
is
also
three
three
alcohol
three
shops
selling
alcohol
in
this
small
area,
and
really
we
we
just
don't
either
we
don't
need
a
army
is
becoming
the
the
alcohol
off
license.
Sales
capital
of
of
leeds
and
the
local
people
are
really
tired
of
it.
We
need
some
respite
from
this.
J
We
don't
need
alcohol
same.
We
far
too
many.
In
fact,
I'd
like
to
see
some
of
them
closed.
Tommy,
for
instance,
the
the
one
on
army
township,
which
is
24
7.,
going
back
to
the
opening
hours,
and
this
this
is
almost
24
7..
It's
going
to
proposing
to
sell
alcohol
from
6
a.m
in
the
morning
till
11
at
night.
That
leaves
seven
hours
each
day
without
alcoholic
sales.
It's
not
needed.
It's
not
welcome.
J
Bring
your
convenience
shop
in
by
all
means,
I'm
sure
you'll,
you
will
be
welcomed
and
people
will
use
it,
but
you
don't
need
you,
don't
need
alcohol
sales
to
bring
people
into
shop.
You'll
just
drive
the
prices
down
more
and
there'll,
be
no
there'll,
be
no
return
on
alcohol,
it'll
be
driven
down
so
low
anyway.
J
So
with
that
chair,
I
I
think
I've
said
all
I
need
to
say
on
behalf
myself
and
my
counselors,
and
I
thank
I
thank
john
and
jonathan
and
peter
for
making
such
a
strong
case,
which
has
saved
me
from
doing
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
J
D
No
just
to
say
thank
you
for
that
emotional
presentation,
councilman
mckenna.
Thank
you.
B
C
Yes,
chad,
just
just
a
brief
question
for
council
mckenna
and
again
thank
him
for
his
for
his
contribution.
C
But
I
just
wanted
to
very
briefly
ask
him
about
the
the
home
for
autism
sufferers,
because
it
just
strikes
me
that
in
my
experience,
this
has
been
something
which
has
been
historically
an
underfunded
condition
and
an
underfunded
part
of
of
of
councils
and
so
on.
And
I'm
ironic
in
thinking
that
those
who
have
autism
or
are
on
the
autistic
spectrum
particularly
need
a
stable
environment
and
also
a
tranquil
one.
That
was
my
understanding
and
if
he
could
just
confirm
that
I'd
appreciate
it.
J
Thank
you,
neil
yeah,
council
buckley.
I
certainly
can.
I
have
got
a
six-year-old
grandson
finn
poiser,
who
has
severe
autism
and
we
do
a
lot
of
babysitting.
With
finn,
he's
a
a
lovely
kid
and
we're
desperately
trying
to
keep
him
in
mainstream
school.
J
We
had
a
look
at
a
silk
and
we
didn't
like
it
and
didn't
like
it,
and
we
didn't
feel
that
he
was
going
to
get
the
stability
that
you
talk
about.
So
he
still
goes
to
a
local
primary
school
he's
totally
fascinated
with
thomas
everything
about
miss
thomas
but
he's
an
intelligent
boy,
but
he's
he's
incontinent
now
at
six
and
he's
he
does
speak,
but
he
usually
doesn't
join
sentences
up,
but
he
certainly
needs
everything
stable
in
his
life.
J
Last
week
the
teacher
refused
to
give
him
his
milk.
He
still
drinks
milk,
and
sometimes
he
has
it
from
a
bottle
and
he
just
had
a
meltdown
and
it
happens
all
the
time
anything
that
changes
his
routine
affects
him
badly
and,
as
I
say,
I
can
certainly
answer
that
question
from
personal
experience
and
thank
you
councillor
buckley,
for
asking
me
that.
B
Thank
you
and
thank
you
jim.
I
have
some
experience
in
the
family
as
well,
though
a
bit
older
at
25
and
the
experience
of
you
know
the
the
laws
of
of
drinking
as
well
for
well.
B
It
sounds
like
slightly
less
artistic
tendencies,
but
yeah,
certainly
experiencing
that
myself
as
well.
So
thank
you
and
thanks
neil
for
that
question.
I
don't
think
in
fact
I
was
going
to
ask
about
the
did.
B
You
mention
it
a
little
bit
and
jim
they've,
discarded
drinks,
bottles
and
cans
and
and
your
world
colleagues
and
yourself
going
out
and
litter
picking
quite
regularly
is
you
may
have
read
the
the
statement
by
mr
semper
saying
he's
found
a
couple
on
his
visit
on
a
weekend,
a
couple
of
cans
here
and
there
is
that
indicative
of
what
you
find
that
maybe
the
cleaner
neighborhoods
team
find
as
well
in
your
experience
or
is
that
is
that
quite
a
bit
less
than
what's
usual?
J
Well,
mr
center,
obviously,
comments
are
factual.
I
I
don't
dispute
them,
but
it's
hard
to
know
where
they
come
from.
I've
seen
cars
open
their
window
and
chuck
them
out
the
window.
I'm
sure
we
all
have
sat
around
here.
It's
often
hard
to
know
where
they
come
from
and,
of
course,
depending
on
where
you
buy
a
drink,
you
don't
not
necessarily
drop
it,
particularly
as
if
civil
calm
you
walk
towards
your
home
and
then
discard
it.
J
You
know
so
it's
hard
to
make
too
much
of
a
judgment
from
littered
from
from
drinking
street
drinking
okay,.
B
Thank
you
anything
else
from
council's
brooklyn
marshall.
B
Thank
you
we'll
go
back
to
then
the
applicant,
mr
semper,
the
the
remainder
of
your
time,
just
to
say
anything,
and
especially
in
in
response
to
the
objectives
and
any
of
the
questions
and
answers
and
how
of
I'll
hand
it
to
you.
Mr
semper.
G
Thank
you
very
much
indeed.
Well,
I'm
grateful
for
the
sighted
representations.
We
listen
very
carefully
now,
in
the
opinion
of
the
representatives,
the
application
is
dismissed
out
of
hand,
and
I
I
understand
their
position
I
always
do.
However,
I
will
explain
why
I
respectfully
beg
to
give
to
differ
now,
as
members
of
the
licensing
subcommittee
you'll,
be
aware
that
objections
can
only
be
made
on
the
grounds
that
the
application
does
not
promote
the
licensing
objectives.
So
the
first
point
is
this:
responsible
authorities
have
a
statutory
responsibility
to
promote
the
licensing
objectives.
G
For
example,
the
police
are
the
lead
agency
for
the
prevention
of
crime
objective
and
have
all
the
facts,
figures
and
experience
needed
to
come
here
and
argue
vehemently
against
this,
or
indeed
any
application
that
does
not
support
the
licensing
objectives
but
they're
not
here,
and
I
submit
there's
a
very
good
reason
for
that.
The
police
have
made
their
observations
known
regarding
the
application
I
submitted
on
in
its
original
form,
all
their
recommendations.
All
the
police
recommendations
have
been
taken
on
board
and
their
suggested
conditions
have
been
adopted.
G
Therefore,
they
have
not
objected,
because
this
application
does
indeed
support
the
licensing
objectives
and
there
is
no
good
and
valid
reason
to
object
to
it
in
law
or
fact.
Likewise
with
exception,
the
community's
environment
team,
no
other
responsible
authority
has
objected,
as
I'm
aware,
if
there
was
anything
to
object
to,
they
are
statutorily
and
duty
bound
to
be
here
and
object
to
it.
G
I
believe
you
can
read
a
very
great
deal
into
their
absence
here
today,
so
we're
left
with
a
representations
which
is
euphemism
for
objections,
as
you
correctly
identified
from
these
good
members
and
they're
basically
around
five
issues,
namely
the
proximity
to
the
army,
cip
area,
the
no
economic
need
for
another
licensed
premises,
three
crime
and
asb,
and
aggressive
begging
for
street
drinking
and
five
traffic
and
parking
that's
referred
to
as
some
of
the
residents
of
rebs.
G
Now
we
completely
accept
that
army
does
have
problems
with
cognitive
impact.
Hence
the
imposition
of
the
government
of
impact
policy
included
in
that
policy
is
the
defined
area
in
only
to
which
that
policy
applies.
These
premises
are
outside
that
area
to
some
distance.
Now,
without
being
funny,
it's
a
bit
like
being
pregnant,
you
can't
be
nearly
pregnant
or
nearby
to
being
pregnant.
You
either
are
or
you're
not.
These
premises
are
either
within
the
cip
area
or
they
or
they
aren't,
and
they
aren't
okay.
G
Now,
if
the
local
councillors
would
like
the
cia
to
be
extended
to
cover
this
location,
the
correct
course
of
action
is
to
follow
the
prescribed
route.
I
had
to
extend
it
as
prescribed
in
the
statutory
legislation.
Okay,
but
in
the
meantime,
that
policy
and
all
the
restrictions
and
rebuttable
presumptions
contained
therein
do
not
apply
to
this
application
in
my
submission.
The
second
thing
is
this:
david
dodson
he's
on
the
screen
in
front
of
you,
the
applicant,
and
I
totally
get
the
nervousness
of
what
the
nervousness
of
the
representatives
is
all
about.
G
G
This
is
a
competent
professional
businessman
sitting
before
you
at
the
time
when
businesses
are
struggling
and
or
closing
all
over
the
uk,
and
no
doubt
in
leads
this
young
man
actually
wants
to
start
one
catering
for
a
more
discerning
market
and
to
run
it
with
the
degree
of
social
responsibility
that
you
and
the
only
community
so
rightly
deserve
too
he's
done
a
lot
of
charitable
work
like
most
of
us
here
actually,
but
his
particular
area
has
been
around
mind
and
knows
better
than
most
the
damage
done
by
irresponsible
retailing
to
vulnerable
people
who
self-medicate
using
inappropriate
alcohol
consumption.
G
This
is
just
not
him.
Okay,
this
is
let's
talk
about
the
premises.
You've
seen
the
video
we
showed
you
around.
This
is
not
a
what
I
call
a
booze
buster's
operation:
sorry,
a
booze
brothers
operation,
intent
on
knocking
out
high
volumes
of
low
cost,
but
high
percentage,
abv
products
to
street
drinkers
or
children,
or
indeed
anyone.
This
is
a
well
equipped
and
furnished
premises,
not
a
stack
and
high
vlog
it
cheap
outfit
you'll
have
seen
the
video
and
it's
got
the
feel
of
a
sainsburys
local
problem.
G
Drinkers
would
detract
from
david's
business
model
with
as
much
humanity
as
possible.
They
are
just
not
welcome
in
his
new
shop.
He
doesn't
want
their
money,
he
doesn't
want
them
their
custom
or
their
patronage,
and
he
doesn't
want
them
hanging
around
his
shop
either.
Put
simply,
we
categorically
refuse
to
feed
the
habits
of
vulnerable
people,
as
one
councillor
puts
in
the
representations.
This
is
a
high-end
desirable
shot.
Now
there
are
currently
16,
yes,
indeed,
16
cctv
cameras
covering
the
shop
with
particular
attention
to
both
angles
of
the
sale
transaction,
both
the
vendor
and
the
purchaser.
G
G
The
police
have
actually
addressed
the
evidence
of
the
carjacking
from
the
system
that
david
has
put
in
I
I
was
thinking
we
had
a
conversation
with
you
with
your
licensing
department
about
actually
showing
you
the
video
that
davis
provided
that
actually
detected
that
offense,
but
on
legal,
because
it's
subjugal
grounds,
but
we
decided
against
it,
but,
like
members
of
your
own
licensing
team
have
actually
seen
that
now
we
have
conducted
environmental,
visual
audits
for
street
drinking
and
asb
on
the
saturday
morning.
G
Now
this
catches,
what
happens
on
a
friday
night,
okay
and
we've
video
recorded
the
rubbish
left
lying
around
in
the
area.
It's
all
on
video
and
I
hope
you've
all
had
the
opportunity
to
watch
now.
We've
proved
what
they
drink
and
where
they
drink
it,
by
showing
you
discarded
products
that
street
drinkers
leave
behind
on
army.
More
that's
where
we
found
by
far
the
vast
majority
of
discarded
alcohol
products.
G
We
simply
will
not
stop
the
products
that
street
drinkers
crave,
I.e,
high
abv
low
price,
ciders
and
larges,
and
furthermore,
we
offer
so
not
to
sell
it
in
single
cans
either,
which
is
the
way
that
they
purchase
their
street
alcohol.
Now
you've
heard
a
lot
about
the
no
need
for
another.
I
totally
understand
that,
but
actually
no
need
for
yet
another,
as
described
in
many
representations,
just
specifically
outside
the
remit
and
the
licensing
legislation.
G
I
point
you
to
para
14.19
of
the
statutory
guidance
which
says
clearly
that
needs
concerns
commercial
demand
for
another
and
is
a
matter
for
the
planning
authority
and
the
market.
This
is
not
a
matter
for
a
licensing
authority
in
discharging
its
licensing
functions
or
for
its
statement
of
licensing
policy.
Therefore,
and
with
the
greatest
respect,
the
no
need
for
another
economic
argument
is
therefore
irrelevant
in
law.
G
Next
crime
and
asb
I'll
now
address
you
on
your
localized
crime
patterns,
you'll
find
in
the
bundle
I've
purchased,
printouts,
the
official
stats
from
the
home
office,
uk
crime,
mapper
site,
and
it's
based
on
the
data
produced
by
the
west,
yorkshire,
police
and
very
sounds
okay.
Luckily,
the
mapper
gazetteers
that
means
focus
is
in
it
puts
a
node
of
data
very
near
to
the
premises,
and
you
can
see
the
number
and
types
of
crimes
and
asb
broken
down
in
army
ridge
road
on
for
it.
G
G
Again
it
rumbles
on
at
about
three
per
calendar
month
in
a
location
which
equates
to
less
than
one
crime
a
week
until
we
get
to
august
where
there
was
a
definite
crime
recording
spike
at
11
to
include
four
violence
of
sexual
offences,
three
damages
and
two
burglaries
in
the
surrounding
streets,
not
in
the
immediate
locality
of
this
shop,
but
taken
all
together.
That
is
3.6
crimes
per
month,
that's
less
than
one
a
week.
This
is
a
remarkably
low
crime
level
for
a
city
location
in
all
fairness.
But
this
is
not
the
matter
of
me.
G
A
former
local
policing
lead
for
a
city
elsewhere
in
the
midlands.
It
is
simply
a
matter
of
counting
the
figures
and
looking
at
those
maps.
Okay,
now,
by
the
way
very
quickly
on
street
drinking
house
of
commerce
briefing
paper.
5117
reminds
us
that
drinking
in
the
streets
or
in
a
public
place
is
not
an
offense.
G
It's
not
even
an
offence
to
drink
in
a
controlled
drinking
area,
it's
only
an
offence
to
refuse
a
request
from
an
author
to
cease
drinking
or
surrender
alcohol
to
an
authorized
person.
I
mentioned
this
have
been
constant
references
in
the
representations
to
illegal
street
drinkers.
I
sort
of
know
what
they
mean,
but
I
believe
we
would
all
benefit
from
clarity
as
to
what
the
actual
uk
law
is
to
be
clear.
Street
drinking
per
se
is
not
a
crime
and
therefore
is
outside
the
crime
and
disorder
licensing
objective.
G
Okay,
now
on
traffic
and
parking
hasn't
come
up
this
morning,
so
I'll
be
super
quick
on
this.
I
understand
what's
been
said,
and
these
are
not
the
rematch
of
the
licensing
process
but
sit
with
the
planet
within
the
planning
orbit.
The
videos
provided
also
said
there
are
no
issues
with
traffic
and
planning
at
the
locality.
Okay.
So,
let's
break
down
how
likely
the
real
and
tangible
rise
of
crime
and
asb
would
be.
We
need
to
grant
this
license.
I
submit
to
these
premises
operating
under
and
committed
to
a
set
of
model.
Licensing
conditions.
G
Would
that
are
acceptable
to
yourself
and
in
their
current
format,
are
acceptable
to
the
police
would
not
undermine
the
licensing
objectives
or
the
local
licensing
policy.
I
must
next
point
out
para
2.21,
and
I
know
I'm
largely
talking
to
illegal
people
here.
Statutory
guidance
word
for
word.
It
says
beyond
the
immediate
area
surrounding
the
premises.
These
are
matters
for
the
personal
responsibilities
of
individuals
under
the
law.
I
mentioned
this
in
these
two
weeks
ago
raised
a
lot
of
eyebrows.
This
is
not
something
I've
made
up
folks.
This
is
what
the
law
of
our
land
says.
G
An
individual
who
engages
in
anti-social
behavior
is
accountable
in
their
own
right.
Okay,
I'm
therefore
not
convinced
that
asb
perpetrated
a
10-minute
walk
up
the
road
from
these
premises
which,
to
date,
have
sold
zero.
Alcoholic
premium.
Products
anyway,
can
be
attributed
to
these
premises,
either
in
fact,
law
or
the
benefit
of
a
crystal
ball
as
to
what
may
or
may
not
happen
at
some
undisclosed
time
in
the
future.
G
Now
the
representative's
position
is
that
we
need
to
grant
this
application
and
the
situation
will
become
worse,
you're,
going
to
drag
people
out
of
army
town
and
drag
them.
The
10-minute
walk
up
to
the
up
up
to
only
ridge.
Road
now
again
say
that
selling
alcohol
responsible
responsibly
as
part
of
our
offering
offering
at
a
predominantly
top-end
convenience
store
setting
with
no
more
than
10
percent
of
the
floor.
G
Space
given
over
to
alcohol
stock
will
not
cause
a
new
localized
spike
in
alcoholism
or
conjure
up
many
more
so
far,
unidentified
anti-social
or
criminal
street
drinkers
who
will
suddenly
flirt
into
the
area
they
will.
Why
would
they
come
and
flood
the
area?
We
are
not
stocking
what
they
want.
We
are
not
selling
it
in
the
way
that
they
buy
it
now.
Look
the
representatives
have
no
evidence
that
there's
going
to
be
this
migration?
Okay,
it's
it's
their
opinion
based
on
speculation.
G
It
will,
of
course,
and
it's
valued,
but
you
must
you
must
remember
and
you'll,
be
reminded
by
your
legal
advisor
that
speculation
is
excluded
from
your
considerations
in
the
dictum
of
the
famous
licensing
case,
the
thwaites
case,
okay,
I
must
also
remind
you
that
you've
not
heard
or
read
one
piece
of
evidence
that
speaks
against
this
particular
applicant.
All
these
premises,
the
other
neighbouring
businesses,
operators
who
appear
on
the
video
have
no
objection
to
this
application.
Some
featured,
like
I
say
some
feature
on
the
video
that
we
provided.
G
Others
declined
to
the
contributors
report,
no
issues
with
the
application
or
the
area
and
identify
army
town
center
as
the
epicenter
of
the
local
rice
problems,
describing
it
as
a
10
minute
walk
from
the
premises.
G
So
in
conclusion,
we
we
will
accept
whatever
modified
conditions,
that
we
accept
the
modified
conditions
proposed
by
the
police,
because
they
are
the
lead
agency
on
crime
disorder
and
we've
accepted
them
in
their
entirety.
But
we've
offered
a
raft
of
conditions
on
the
premises
license
that
will
promote
the
licensing
objectives
and
but
clearly
councillor.
Ghana
will
accept
any
further
that
you
deem
fit.
Consequently,
and
respectfully
I
exhort
you
to
grant
the
application
so
look
just
very,
very
quickly
whiz
through
some
of
the
some
of
the
highlights
of
what's
been
said.
G
We've
mentioned
the
pspo
okay,
public
spaces,
protection
order.
The
police
are
the
guardians
of
that
and
they
do
not
object
to
this
application.
We've
mentioned
the
intercity
play
the
into
yeah.
It
was
intercity
place
across
the
way
the
the
art
center
he's
not
on
the
video,
but
we've
actually
spoken
to
one
of
the
managers
there
and
he
says
that
he
has
no
objections
with
the
application.
G
Okay,
in
fact,
we'll
probably
frequent
our
premises.
We've
had
constant
references
to
illegal
drinking
that
street
drinking
there's.
No
such
thing.
Let's
have
a
look:
let's
have
a
look,
there'll
be
strain
on
services.
That
again
is
cumulative
impact.
Okay,
we've
heard
people
talking
about
easy
access
to
cheap
alcohol.
We
will
not
sell
cheap
alcohol
and
we
certainly
will
not
give
easy
access
to
it.
That
is
not
our
business
plan.
Also,
we
will
not
feed
it,
pamper
it
or
resources.
As
one
of
the
representatives
mentioned
now,
the
hours
have
come
up.
G
6
am
till
11
a.m.
Councillor.
Ghana
and
your
committee,
if
you
want
to
trim
those
hours,
feel
free.
That
was
the
original
application
that
went
in,
but
we
are
here
to
fine-tune
hone
of
what
you
want
in
army
ridge
road.
So
if
you
want
eight
in
the
morning
till
ten
at
night
or
whatever,
that's
within
your
gift,
that's
within
your
remit.
So
you
just
specify
again:
it's
come
up
a
lot
cheap
units
cheaper,
more
alcohol.
G
If
we
offer
alcohol
it
will
drive
the
unit
cost
of
alcohol
down
it
won't
because
we
won't
be
selling
that
stuff.
We
will
not
be
competing
in
that
market.
Opposite
the
autism
home
very
good
point.
I've
actually
been
to
the
autism
home
I've
spoken
to
a
member
of
staff
who
declined
to
be
on
the
video.
They
have
no
objection.
I've
been
through
their
garden,
there's
no
rubbish
there
that
I've
spoken
to.
I
was
going
to
speak
to
the
manager.
I
had
an
appointment
to
speak
with
a
manager.
G
However,
they
had
an
outbreak
of
covert
in
there
and
they
decided
it
wasn't
a
good
idea
for
me
to
go
in
there
and
interview
them
for
the
purposes
of
that
video
and
that's
a
fair
one.
Okay,
let's
have
a
look.
We've
mentioned
the
crime
and
the
carjacking
we've
mentioned
the
community
clear-ups.
That's
why
I
do
the
environmental
visual
audits
on
a
saturday
morning,
because
friday
night
is
drinking
night
and
on
a
saturday
morning.
That's
when
you
get
your
best
evidence
if
you
get
out
there
and
see
what
they
discarded
the
night
before.
G
And
lastly,
if
you
are
concerned
about
anything
that
mr
dodson
intended
to
sell,
please
put
a
condition
on
that
that
we
mark
all
our
cans.
We've
got
no
problems
in
that
because
you
will
not
find
our
products
in
the
hands
of
the
street
drinking
population.
We
don't
stock
them
and
we
don't
want
to
sell
them,
sell
it
to
them.
We
don't
with
the
greatest
respect,
they're,
not
welcome.
We
don't
want
them
hanging
around
our
shop
in
case
they
that
their
customer.
G
It
comes
at
one
quid
at
a
time
for
for
our
for,
for
a
75
pence,
a
can
of
7.5
percent
abv
cider.
Okay,
we
don't
want
that
money
and
we
certainly
don't
want
them
sitting
around
or
frequenting
the
area
around
our
shop,
because
that
is
really
really
bad
for
business
with
the
great
suspect
they're
not
welcome.
Now,
that's
a
whistle
stop
tour
if
you've
got
any
questions
about
what
conditions
additional
conditions
you'd
like
please
check
them
in
and
no
doubt
we'll
probably
accept
them.
Sir.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
Thank
you,
mr
senpai,
comprehensive.
Now
you
mentioned
about
other
questions
and
the
usual
way
of
working
for
the
remote
sessions
that
we're
now
having
to
have
is
moving
to
private
session.
But
then,
if
there
are
any
other
questions
for
the
applicant,
we
come
back
into
the
room.
I
propose
we
do
that
at
this
point,
rather
than
take
some
questions
now,
just
because
of
the
way
you've
so
backloaded
your
your
comments
and
counselors
buckley
and
marshall
catamar.
You
are
in
agreement
with
that.
B
If
we,
if
we
adjourn
now
and
then
ask
any
other
questions
as
the
time
comes,
so
we'll
now
move
into
private
session
to
deliberate
on
the
application,
could
I
ask
that
all
parties,
including
the
applicant
and
representative
and
the
licensing
officer,
remain
available
to
remain
on
the
call?
Should
we
have
as
a
subcommittee
any
additional
questions,
so
that
was
point
I
was
trying
to
make
that
if
there's
additional
questions
you'll
be
invited
back
into
the
meeting
by
the
clerk
andy
over
to
you.
Please,
okay,.
A
B
B
B
All
right
we're
just
waiting
for
a
counselor
marshall,
katong
and
pizza,
much
to
to
come
back
into
the
main
session,
so
bear
with
us
enough.
Some
people
have
been
having
issues
in
and
out
of
breaking
out
rooms
on
zoom
and
but
we
will
mixed
out
once
once
two
of
them
are
back
in
the
room
with
us.
Thank
you.
A
B
When
I'm
trouble
getting
hold
andy's,
just
let
me
know
of
pizza.
I
know
we
have
the
two
john's
in
and
councillor
mckenna,
of
course
has
objects,
as
rather
than
waiting
is
it
are
we
okay
too,
and
we
did
have
a
couple
more
questions
for
for
the
applicant.
Would
it
be
okay
to
and
robin
looking
in
your
direction
more
than
anyone
to
to
press
on,
in
the
absence
of
any
any
response
and
and
from
peter
much
and
pretty
much
being
in
the
call
yeah.
E
I
think
if,
if
you
had
questions
for
peter
mudge,
then
obviously
it
would
be
an
issue,
but
I'm
not
sure
about
putting
the
questions
to
his
witnesses.
But
if
you
don't
have
questions
for
peter
mudge
it,
wouldn't
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
be
commenting
on
somebody
else's
answers
anyway.
That's
fine.
B
Brilliant,
so
thank
you,
everyone
for
your
patience.
We
have
had
some
robust
discussion
as
a
question
or
two
for
the
applicant
I'll
just
pass
over
to
councilman
marshall
cat
on
google
and
has
those
thank
you.
D
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
semper.
I've
got
two
questions
for
you.
The
first
question
is
on
the
crime
rate
that
you
quoted
when
you
were
speaking
I'd
also,
I
would
like
to
ask
that.
Have
you
also
got
the
crime
rate
before
the
six
months
that
you
have
just
quoted,
because
I
am
aware
that
obviously,
the
last
six
months
has
been
a
very
difficult
time
for
the
whole
country
and
we
have
been
in
a
pandemic.
So
do
you
have
stats
for
2018
and
19?
D
Then
we
can
have
a
good
comparative
analysis
in
terms
of
the
statistics
for
the
area
that
you've
quoted.
That's
the
first
question.
Second
question
is
you
did
mention
that
street
drinking
is
not
a
crime
and
it's
not
illegal,
which
I
do
agree
well.
I
would
also
like
to
ask
that:
do
you
also
understand
that
street
drinking
could
also
lead
to
public
nuisance,
and
I
would
like
to
know
your
comments
on
that.
G
Right:
okay,
first
one
is
no.
I
haven't
got
the
six
months
prior
to
that.
However,
it
is
freely
available
on
the
uk
crime
mapper
site
and
if
you'd
like
to
adjourn
for
half
an
hour,
I
will
lift
it
and
I
will
send
it
to
you.
Okay,
I'd
remind
you
that
you've
said
it's
just
you
know
the
last
six
months
have
been
overtaken
by
covid,
but
you've
already
taken
evidence
from
other
representatives
here
today.
That
covid
has
caused
a
an
exponential
growth
in
some
parts
of
the
city,
namely
henner
hills,
chapel,
town
and
little
london.
G
According
to
my
notes,
so
you
know
it's
caused
it's
causing
exponential
growth
elsewhere
in
the
city,
so
there's
no
reason
to
believe
it
wouldn't
in
army
town
center,
or
indeed,
army
ridge
road,
if
that
were
to
be
a
problem
and
it
hasn't
okay,
but
that
is
that
is
available.
That's
a
freely
available
resource
provided
by
the
government
based
on
west
yorkshire.
Police
figures.
Second
question
is
street
drinking
is
not
illegal,
yes,
you're!
Absolutely
right!
Is
it
public
nuisance?
G
Now
I
public
nuisance
is
defined
by
the
act
and
I'm
going
to
throw
myself
at
the
feet
of
your
legal
services
here.
But
public
nuisance
includes
things
like
litter,
noise,
light,
verminous
infestation
and
something
else
it
is
not
does
not
include
asb
in
the
area
in
its
definition.
Now
that's
within
the
statutory
guidance-
and
I
like
I
say
I'm
just
going
from-
I
mean
I
train
this
stuff.
It's
not
a
question.
G
I've
been
asked
before
because
clearly,
illegals
through
drinking
world,
which
says
no
such
thing
but
those
those
behaviors
are
around
crime
with
disorder
around
the
crime
of
disorder.
You
know
the
the
the
behaviors
that
come
with
drinking
the
crime
that
comes
with
it
would
clearly
fit
within
that
licensing
objective.
I
do
not
believe
it
falls
within
the
public
nuisance
definition
ma'am.
D
B
Thank
you
thank
you
for
that.
So
I
think,
in
the
absence
of
further
questions,
we'll
take
another
adjournment,
but
that'll
be
without
the
need
for
the
applicant
and
the
objectives.
So
thank
you.
Everyone
for
your
attendance.
B
That
concludes
the
formal
business
of
the
public
part
of
the
committee
today
and
you'll
be
informed
of
the
subcommittee's
decision
within
five
working
days.
Well,
thank
you,
everyone
for
your
attendance,
thank
you
for
your
patience
as
well,
both
with
the
german
there
and
and
a
bit
with
the
with
the
technology
as
well
today.
So
thank
you.
Everyone
and
I
see
you
all
and
have
a
good
rest
of
the.