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That's
it
good
afternoon,
everyone
and
welcome
to
this
remote
meeting
of
the
south
and
west
plans
panel.
My
name
is
councillor
caroline
gruen
and
I'll
be
chairing
today's
meeting.
The
south
and
west
plans
panel
deals
with
the
applications
from
the
south
north
west
and
west
of
the
city.
The
aim
of
the
panel
is
to
hear
all
the
relevant
information
from
applicants.
A
Even
though
members
of
the
panel
are
in
remote
attendance,
while
items
today
will
be
fully
discussed,
as
is
usual,
remote
attendance
requires
a
few
slight
changes
as
to
how
I'll
manage
the
debate,
and
so
therefore
can
all
attendees
mute
their
microphones.
Unless
I
invite
them
to
speak,
this
will
avoid
disruption
and
background
noise.
A
A
So
I
ask
you
for
your
assistance
and
patience
while
I
go
through
this
process
in
order
to
avoid
any
disruption
to
the
meeting,
should
I
lose
internet
connectivity,
I
propose
we
appoint
a
vice
chair
who
could
step
in
in
my
absence,
and
I
move
councillor
jules
hesselwood
and
invite
another
member
to
second
that
motion.
Please.
A
A
Thank
you
councillor
hazelwood
councillor,
julia
hesselwood
and
bradley
and
stanley
ward,
councillor
hamilton.
A
Thank
you
I'll
now,
move
on
to
officers
and
I'll
call
you
by
first
names,
if
that's
all
right,
jonathan.
F
Good
afternoon,
david
newberry
lead
officer
for
the
panel
standing
in
for
steve
butler.
E
G
A
A
A
E
Right,
thank
you.
Chair
under
agenda
item
number
one.
There
are
no
appeals
against
the
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents
under
item
number
two.
There
are
no
items
which
require
the
exclusion
of
the
press
and
public
under
item
number.
Three,
I'm
not
aware
of
any
late
items
of
business
under
agenda
item
number.
Four:
I've
members
got
any
disclosable
pecuniary
interest
to
declare.
J
A
Okay,
so
that
takes
us
on
to
item
six,
the
minutes
of
the
previous
meeting
held
on
the
10th
of
december.
They
are
very
short,
two
pages.
So
can
I
ask
members
if
they
find
those
a
correct
record,
a
true
and
correct
record
of
the
meeting.
A
A
No
thank
you.
Well
that
takes
us
on
to
item
number
seven,
the
reserved
matters,
application
for
the
houses
and
apartments
at
kirkstall
forge
richard.
Could
I
invite
you
to
do
the
presentation
for
us?
Please.
H
Okay,
thank
you
chair
to
toby.
If
you
could
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
thank
you
so
chair.
This
presentation
stays
for
consideration
of
a
new
reserve
matters,
application
at
kirkstall
forge
on
the
plots,
e
and
f,
which
is
phase
two.
This
follows
two
previous
reserved
matters:
approvals
for
the
same
plots
in
2017,
which
was
before
south
and
west
plans
panel
and
2018.
H
This
latest
reiteration
is
for
the
following
as
detailed
and
as
you
can
see
in
the
title
there
it's
for
213
dwellings,
up
to
2076
square
meters
of
commercial
floor
space,
which
I
would
like
to
just
make
an
update
on
the
presentation
that
at
paragraph
now,
six
of
your
report
pack
there's
actually
a
mistake
there
that
quotes
it
as
2400
is,
as
per
the
title
there,
2076
square
meters
of
commercial
floor
space
in
use,
class
e
or
class
sui
generous.
H
The
reserve
matters
applied
for
are
as
follows:
citing
design
external
appearance
and
landscaping,
and
that
is
again
going
back
off
the
old
format
which
is
relevant
as
part
of
the
original
outline
application
for
this
site.
We
need
to
discharge
conditions,
one
two
and
three
of
the
outline
application,
which
has
previously
approved
the
matter
of
access
already
next
slide.
Please.
H
Toby,
this
is
the
site
subject
of
the
reserve
matters
today,
as
mentioned
it
will
be
referred
to
as
plots
e
and
f
or
phase
two
next
slide,
please
in
terms
of
the
site
and
surrounding
context.
This
slide
shows
the
wider
coastal
forge
estate,
subject
to
the
approved
outline
application.
H
A
further
eastern
access
point
also
exists
in
the
opposite
end
of
the
site
as
a
secondary
future
access.
This
site
also
includes
some
key
other
routes
through
it,
namely
the
river
air.
As
you
can
see,
the
leeds
shipley
oakley
railway
line,
which
includes
the
recently
opened
or
not
so
recent
now
2016
kirkstall
forge
train
station
and
number
three.
It
also
has
the
lee's
liverpool
canal,
just
touching
through
the
southern
end
of
the
site
other
than
the
railway
station.
H
H
Plots
enf
would
be
set
in
between
the
new
roads,
that's
been
created,
which
is
called
butler's
wharf,
and
the
a65
is
characterized
by
rising
topography
to
the
nearer
a65,
which
includes
an
established
line
of
woodland,
trees
and
planting,
which
runs
broadly
perpendicular
with
the
a65.
H
The
psi
extends
to
just
over
three
hectares.
This
reserve
matters
next
slide.
Please
tell
me
plot
e
and
f
can
be
seen
in
the
context
of
the
indicative
master
plan
attributed
to
the
outline
approval.
A
key
feature
of
this
master
plan
is
linking
up
with
the
original
outline.
Design
statement
is
the
creation
of
a
stitch,
a
key
pedestrian
stroke,
public
realm
space
and
route,
which
links
the
north
and
south
boundaries
together
and
the
green
infrastructure
to
either
side
next
slide.
H
Please
this
slide
shown
in
red
within
the
coaxial,
forge
site
shows
the
reserve
matters,
and
it
just
shows
the
extent
of
the
wider
outline
application
site.
The
blue
line
next
slide.
Please,
looking
closer
at
the
red
line,
reserve
mata
site
itself,
it
can
be
seen
set
above
the
office
building,
j-1
known
as
also
number
one
building
which
is
set
adjacent
to
the
new
railway
station.
H
The
western
access
to
the
kirksville
forge
estate
is
shown
in
the
top
left,
and
the
route
of
butler's
wharf
runs
around
plot
cnf.
I
mentioned
earlier
that
two
previous
applications
for
reserve
matters
have
been
approved.
The
proposals
before
each
day
are
very
similar
in
their
overall
layout
to
those
previous
consents.
H
Therefore,
what
can
currently
be
seen
on
site
is
a
couple
of
prototype
houses
which
were
finished
actually
in
2020
and
form
part
of
the
previous
reserve
masters
approval
these
alongside
some
initial
road
length.
That's
been
laid
in
the
middle
spine.
Road
isabella
avenue
have
been
delivered
on
site
and
occupied
since
completion
to
allow
the
applicant
cg
to
market
test
this
product
as
being
fit
for
purpose
and
developed
for
the
future
townhouses
that
will
come
forward
as
part
of
this
reserve
matters
next
slide.
H
Please
some
photos,
then
so,
looking
south
east,
this
photo
looks
upon
the
site
as
set
behind
the
hoardings
when
approaching
from
the
western
access
number
one
building
plot
j1
can
be
seen
in
the
foreground
next
slide,
please.
H
H
H
This
photo
shows
a
view
looking
north
taken
from
the
point
just
prior
to
where
butler's
wharf
then
turns
for
a
second
time,
turns
the
corner
over
the
river
to
the
south.
So
it
shows
the
fronts
of
the
two
prototype
dwellings,
just
behind
the
holdings
there
next
slide,
please
another
photo
looking
back
to
the
northwest
showing
extent
of
the
slight
frontage
butler's
wolf
next
slide,
please.
H
H
This
is
the
second
reserve
matters
approved
this
2018
application.
I
refer
to
it,
but
it
was
actually
approved
in
may
2019.
It
was
slightly
different
to
the
previous
scheme.
The
2017
scheme
is
with
an
increase
in
dwellings
to
135
as
approved,
and
this
was
made
up
of
81
houses
and
54
apartments.
H
H
There
is
2076
square
meters
of
commercial
floor
space
in
terms
of
the
changes
from
the
previous
approval
in
may
2019,
the
increase
in
the
apartment
numbers
have
seen
the
new
designs
affecting
primarily
the
two
blocks,
which
we
will
refer
to
as
e2
and
e3,
and
they
are
principally
positioned
as
before,
but
we
have
now
had
a
reconfiguration
internally
and
externally
to
make
more
effective
and
efficient
use
of
space,
particularly
at
the
upper
floor
levels.
H
H
H
G
H
Are
referred
to
is
set
either
side
of
the
commercial
units,
and
that's
meant
that
the
new
layout
provides
better
servicing
arrangements
of
these
units.
A
new
ramp
system
into
the
side
of
the
pavilion
building
will
allow
for
easy
movement
up
to
the
middle
rows
and
beyond
into
the
pocket
part.
Previously,
this
was
to
be
accessed
by
an
external,
mechanically
operated
ramp
platform,
lift
system
next
slide,
please,
the
previous
2018
reserve
matters.
Approval
showed
53
car
parking
spaces
for
the
apartments
at
nearly
one
per
unit.
H
Via
ramped
access
of
isabella
avenue
the
access
road
next
slide,
please,
the
new
scheme
reflects
the
aspirations
of
the
applicant
to
make
this
a
bill
to
rent
model
of
apartment.
Living
136
apartments
will
be
served
off
the
same
level,
but
in
a
more
accessible
configuration,
totaling
52
car
parking
spaces.
H
H
G
H
This
does,
however,
require
an
extra
condition,
as
was
used
at
k3
k4
to
more
specifically
control
travel
plan
issues
on
this
individual
phase,
and
that
is
subject
of
an
additional
condition
that
doesn't
actually
feature
within
the
report
pack,
but
certainly
one
that
we
would
like
to
include
as
part
of
any
final
approval
of
reserve
matters,
and
that
would
be
consistent
with
k3k4
next
slide.
Please
toby.
H
H
H
Next
slide,
please
this!
Next,
these
these
next
two
slides
show
the
new
top
two
floors.
Three
bed
units
they
are
benefiting
with
some
further
private
external
amenity
space,
which,
alongside
the
provision
of
balconies
across
upper
floors,
has
flown
from
positive
pre-application
discussions
with
the
architects,
particularly
in
the
light
of
the
current
pandemic.
H
This
here
shows
the
2018
reserve
matters
scheme
on
the
left
hand,
side
the
new
scheme
to
the
right
hand,
side
is
shown
clearly
with
the
new
cgi's,
broadly
speaking,
a
very
similar
arrangement.
In
so
far
as
sighting
and
massing
is
concerned,
the
changes
are
more
down
to
detailed
external
treatment
and
the
internal
changes
that
allow
for
increased
unit
numbers
for
efficient
layout
of
accommodation.
H
E
H
And
the
new
scheme
on
the
right
next
slide,
please,
this
slide
shows
the
finer
detail.
That's
gone
into
replicating
the
forge's
history
in
the
perforation
of
openings
within
the
detailed
design
pack,
and
this
displays,
particularly
for
the
parking
level
at
first
floor
for
natural
ventilation
purposes
and
also
affects
areas
such
as
some
of
the
bedrooms,
the
apartments.
H
H
Next
slide,
please,
we've
got
some
sections
here
which
show
the
messing
arrangements
in
the
context
of
plot
j1,
which
is
on
the
right
hand
side
as
built
and
how
it
would
all
be
linked
together
via
the
stitch
you
can
see
there,
obviously
the
blocks,
e2
and
e3,
and
then
in
the
in
the
white.
You
can
see
obviously
the
houses
that
are
being
developed
as
part
of
this
same
residential
phase,
the
best
in
again
very
similar
to
the
previous
scheme.
H
Next
slide,
please.
These
are
some
views.
Looking
northeast
of
the
three
terraces
that
you
have
created
as
part
of
the
topographical
changes
on
the
site,
so
you've
got
the
top
terrace
at
the
top.
You've
got
the
middle
section
there,
which
shows
what
you
see
there
is
a
better
avenue
behind
it
and
then
you've
got
the
bottom
section
there.
What
you
see
from
butler's
wharf
next
slide,
please
this
cgi
is
taken
if
looking
northeast
near
to
the
new
train
station.
H
Lastly,
just
a
couple
of
images
showing
the
accommodation
that's
been
provided
as
part
of
the
prototype
houses
as
finished
and
occupied
these.
As
I
say,
these
have
been
market
tested
by
ceg
and
obviously,
hopefully
will
give
an
idea
of
the
likely
quality
of
accommodation,
that'll
be
provided,
certainly
within
the
dwellings
next
slide.
Please.
H
So
therefore,
the
recommendation
chair
is
to
approve
this
latest
reserve
matters
based
on
the
conditions
which
is
consistent
with
the
previous
consents,
as
outlined
in
the
report
and
with
the
added
condition
of
the
extra
requirement
for
specific
phase.
Two
travel
plan
details
to
be
submitted
and,
as
I
say,
that
is
consistent
with
the
approval
for
office
blocks
k3k4.
A
Thank
you
very
much
richard.
There
are
no
speakers
against
this
application,
so
the
following
people
are
in
attendance.
Should
we
wish
to
direct
any
questions
to
them
on
behalf
of
the
development,
james
shimwell,
gareth
chambers,
dominic
crowley,
michael
hepburn,
emma
bramley,
peter
cartwright,
james
mclaren
and
thomas
bone?
They
are
present.
They
are
listening
to
the
debate
and
should
we
wish
to
call
them
to
the
front
for
questioning
they
are
available,
so
we
can
now
turn
to
members
questions
to
officers.
A
C
A
H
A
A
Okay,
councillor
brooks
please.
B
So
I
mean
how
how
much
usable
space
is
makes
a
flat
type
a
because
I
can
see
that
it's
a
bit
of
a
funny
shape,
and
I'm
I'm
wondering
if
any
wind
modeling
has
been
done,
because
it
looks
like
there's
a
potential
for
some
wind
tunnels
to
be
formed
and
also
has
any
any
thought
being
given
to
where
kids
can
play.
A
Richard
do
you
want
to
start
us
off
with
answers
to
that
question.
H
Yeah,
that's
fine
thanks,
chad,
so
in
terms
of
wind
modeling,
we've
got
no
specific
wind
modelling.
That's
been
undertaken
on
this
particular
phase.
There
isn't
we
feel
a
necessity
to
to
do
that,
given
the
massing
and
the
the
the
context,
obviously,
as
part
of
the
original
outline,
which
does
date
back
some
a
number
of
years
now,
there
wasn't
a
requirement
for
any
specific
wind
testing
on
on
on
future
phases.
H
That
said,
obviously
we
do
assess
things
with
regard
to
this.
In
terms
of
you
know,
existing
tall
buildings,
design,
guide
and
certainly
in
terms
of
the
mess
in
in
the
context,
we
didn't
feel
that
it
fell
within
those
parameters
where
it
is
substantially
higher
than
its
surrounding
context,
so
we
haven't
done
any
or
haven't
requested
any
requirement
for
wind
testing
or
or
modelling
of
of
the
current
phases.
H
I
mean
they
are
very,
very
similar
in
terms
of
height
to
the
previous
approval,
so
in
that
sense
we're
following
the
existing
massing
that
we've
previously
approved
in
terms
of
the
the
recreational
space.
Obviously
the
pocket
park
is
something
that
you
know:
we've
we've
been
keen
to.
You
know,
obviously
make
sure
flows
consistently
with
the
previous
scheme.
So
that's
where
you
know
we
would
like
to
see
you
know.
Certainly
children's
play
space
alongside
obviously
the
accessible
woodland
area.
H
Now,
obviously,
you've
got
obviously
the
riverside
walks
and
the
canal
tow
path,
etc.
It
is
obviously
an
area
where,
in
terms
of
the
the
residential
units,
we've
got
fully
enclosed,
gardens,
etcetera
and
one
thing
with
the
apartments.
Although
the
apartments
is
broadly
a
similar
ratio
in
terms
of
one
two
and
three
bed,
we've
obviously
tried
to
get
some
more
private
means
to
space
within
certainly
some
of
the
apartments.
H
So
I
mean,
broadly
speaking,
I
think
it's
very
consistent
with
the
previous
schemes
for
children's
play,
but
you
know,
obviously
it
is
a
site
where
you
know
we
are
looking
at
the
surrounding
context
to
provide
immunity
as
well.
As
you
know.
Obviously,
the
immediate
plots
themselves
and
that's
part
of
the
the
feel
for
coastal
forge
is
that
there
are
woodland
walks
and
there
are
obviously
you
know,
there's
a
certain
level
of
nature
within
the
area
in
terms
of
brand
new
fall
park
as
well.
H
That,
hopefully
provides
a
good
level
of
emergency
for
for
residents
and
then
the
other
issue
about
the
the
apartment.
I
think
it
was
the
apartment.
Hey
was
it,
I
think
it
was
you
mentioned
it
might
be
worth,
maybe
just
bringing
the
architects
up
in
on
that
was.
B
Richard
I
think,
yeah
it
was
apartment,
a
it's
quite
a
funny
shape.
The
the
previous
plans
had
the
layout
there,
but
with
this
we've
just
got
the
the
empty
shells,
so
it
I
I'm
finding
it
difficult
to
visualize
how
that
space
would
work
as
a
livable
space.
J
Yes,
hi
it's
peter
cartwright,
I'm
not
too
sure
which
flat
plan
or
apartment
plan
a
you're
referring
to,
but
the
dimensions
and
the
layout
for
this
latest
scheme
are
very
even
regular
spaces.
The
previous
scheme
had
very
long
thin
apartment
buildings.
J
These
buildings
are
set
out
with
dual
aspect
on
the
corners,
so
bedrooms
and
living
spaces
have
the
benefit
of
the
corners,
whereas
the
apartments
which
are
in
the
center
of
the
plan
have
generous
windows
to
both
bedrooms
and
to
the
living
areas
and
again
julia
balconies
to
some
of
them
and
balconies
to
the
southern
facade.
So
we
don't
have
any
irregular
shape
plans
at
all
obvious
this
apartment
scheme,
the
very
simple
orthogonal
and
out
of
space
standards.
E
Can
I
just
jump
in
there
as
well
pete
that
that
apartment
here
is
actually
two
square
meters
larger
than
national
space
standard
requires
and
we've
planned
it
out
quite
effectively,
so
the
bedroom
actually
sits
in
the
in
the
part,
that's
behind
the
car
and
then
the
the
space
that
you're
seeing
is
as
direct
linear,
where
the
entrance
is
that's
where
you
get
the
kitchen
living
area
and
it
becomes
quite
a
natural
space
and
natural
progression
into
that
bedroom.
Space
behind
the
the
lift
car.
Thank.
B
Yeah,
so
it
was
slide
23
and
it's
that
one
there.
So
what
what's
the
what's
the
space
like
where
the
door
is
going
into
what
what
would
be
the
the
bedroom
area?
J
J
A
H
Yes,
that's
that's
right,
chair
what
I've
tried
to
do
is
sort
of
not
over
supply
a
large
number
of
plans,
because
I
know
obviously
we've
got
two
previous
consent
and
I
didn't
want
to
sort
of
over
provide
a
level
of
detail
that
would
would
sort
of
give
you
almost
too
much
information.
H
But,
yes,
there
are
floor
plans
that
are
provided,
but
obviously
we
on
the
presentation
we've
just
tried
to
focus
in
on
you
know,
essentially
how
that
apartment
would
sit
and
obviously
internal
configuration
as
p
peter
says
that
you
know
we
can
we
can
put
that
on
a
screen
if,
if
required,.
A
A
H
For
it
now
chair,
so
I'll
I'll
just
try
and
find
it
on
the
system.
A
C
Campbell,
can
I
ask
well,
can
I
make
a
couple
of
points
and
ask
some
questions?
First
of
all,
if
you
want,
I
don't
know
which
version
you
have,
but
on
the
version
of
zoom
that
I've
got,
you
have
to
click
on
reactions.
To
put
your
hand
up.
The
second
thing
is
that
my
screen
is
occupied
exclusively
by
mr
carr,
which
is
very
nice,
but
I
can't
see
anybody
else
when
they're
speaking,
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
a
fault
somewhere
in
my
system,.
A
Have
you
gone
on
to
view
colin
and
tapped
on
the
icon
that
helps
you
to
see
everybody?
Perhaps
you've
accidentally
gone
on
to
portrait
or
whatever
they
call
it.
C
C
Three
questions,
I
suppose,
the
simple
one,
because
we
in
the
in
the
documentation
there's
a
huge
list
of
relevant
policies.
The
basic
question
is:
is
it
policy
compliant?
So
that's
question
number
one
question
number
two
relates
to
cycle
parking.
C
There
is
a
a
case
now,
I
think,
for
providing
charging
facilities
at
cycle
parking
points
because
more
people
are
buying
electric
bikes
and
you
don't
really
need
to
either
to
take
the
bike
into
your
flat
to
charge
it
or
take
the
battery
in.
So
I
just
wondered
if
somebody
looked
at
that
number
three,
the
balconies.
C
Can
you
tell
us
how
big
the
balconies
are,
because
it's
very
difficult
to
to
work
out
from
looking
at
the
drawings,
whether
it's
in
effect
big
enough
to
to
get
a
table
in
a
couple
of
chairs?
That's
not
squashed,
so
you
can
actually
sit
on
the
balcony
and
enjoy
the
sunset.
A
So
for
the
questions
that
richard
can
answer,
we'll
start
off
with
you
and
then
we'll
we'll
move
to
representatives
of
the
applicant.
If
we
need
to
richard.
H
Yeah
in
terms
of
cycle
parking,
the
developer
would
provide
229
secure
spaces,
long
long,
slow
spaces
that
is
which
is
based
on
one
per
dwelling
and
one
per
apartment,
and
also
there's
16
for
the
commercial
space
there's
also
31
short
stage
spaces
dotted
around
the
development
in
terms
of
sort
of
connecting
up
to
things
like
electric
cycle
charging.
H
I'm
not
aware
that
we've
gone
into
that
level
of
detail,
but
I
know
the
world's
rapidly
changing
and
we
obviously
you
know,
have
a
condition
to
to
agree
the
cycle
parking
details,
and
we
can
certainly
look
at
that
as
part
of
the
schema.
I'm
sure
curbstop
forge
would
be
wanting
to
do
that
themselves
because,
obviously
it's
you
know
it's
a
good
route
for
cyclists
in
terms
of
canal,
the
a65
etc.
So
the
intention
is
to
provide
space
for
for
for
each
resident
for
a
cycle
space.
H
We
have
got
electric
vehicle
charging,
so
I
guess
with
you
know
there
must
be
I'm
sure
within
the
the
design,
the
ability
to
obviously
have
an
area
for
electric
cycle
charging.
Maybe
might
be
good
for
to
ask
kurtz
to
forge
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
If
you
wish.
A
H
C
H
H
So
yes,
I
mean,
I
think
they
would
be
better
place
to
say
exactly
how
what
the
exact
square
meterage
is,
but
it
was
the
intention
that
we
would
provide
a
decent
area
of
the
mean
space.
This
all
went
back
to
the
pre-application
discussions
that
were
happening
during
the
pandemic
and
our
architects
alongside
themselves,
were
you
know
keen
to
look
at
how
we
can
improve
upon
the
original
design
by
having
more
private
community
space,
because,
obviously
it's
recognized
that
people
in
apartment
living
can't
necessarily
expect.
H
You
know
to
obviously
use
some
of
the
public
realm
areas
intensively
now,
given
obviously
what
we're
going
through.
So
that's
one
good
aspect
of
the
scheme
is
that
you
know
each
each
each
apartment
has
certainly
more
immunity,
space
or
or
a
better
range
of
immunity
space,
and
certainly
some
of
the
apartments
on
the
on.
Certainly
the
south
facing
side
have
the
ability
to
have
tables
and
chairs
absolutely.
A
Okay,
are
we
ready
to
come
back
up
with
the
plan
of
the
flat
now
please
we
are
thank.
B
E
Obviously,
this
we've
there's
a
very,
very
slight
amendment
to
the
to
the
internal
wall
position,
just
as
we're
making
final
tweaks
to
the
to
the
layout,
but
you
can
see
here
that
the
you
when
entering
in
this
sun,
you
get
a
very
clear
visual
sight
line
through
the
sliding
windows
and
then
the
bedroom
sits
in
what
is
it
effectively
behind
the
circulation
car
here?
So
it
is
a
quite
a
standard
layout.
If
you,
if
you
take
away
the
l-shape.
E
Yeah,
absolutely
it's
two
square
meters
bigger
than
the
standard
national
space
standard,
one
bed,
one
person
apartment
and,
and
it's
obviously
four
square
meters
bigger
than
the
provision.
If
you
only
provide
a
shower
yeah.
Thank.
B
E
E
A
Thank
you
very
much
indeed,
lovely
council
finnegan.
Thank
you
for
your
patience.
C
Thank
you,
chair
three
questions.
Really.
C
Could
the
highways
officer
explain
to
me
how
52
car
parking
spaces
for
136
apartments
actually
works
in
practical
terms,
taking
that's
just
about,
although
my
masters
have
bring
about
a
third
of
a
parking
spot
per
apartment,
so
I'll
be
interested
in
hearing
how
that
works
through
what
evidence
is
there
that
there
is
a
demand
for
one
bedroomed
flats,
taking
it
that
there
are
81
bedroomed
flats
and,
in
my
view,
that
encourages
a
transit,
transitory
population
and
neighborhood
and
doesn't
necessarily
work
but
I'll,
be
interested
in
the
evidence
and
how
that
is,
policy
compliant
and
the
third
one
is
en1
and
the
n2
doesn't
seem
to
be
mentioned
at
this
particular
point?
C
G
Is
that
working?
Yes,
it
is
all
right.
Thank
you.
Yes,
thank
you.
So,
on
a
practical
basis,
the
the
parking
is
within
basements
and
will
be
effectively.
Access
will
be
controlled
by
a
fob
or
such
other
mechanism.
So
the
only
people
that
will
be
able
to
park
in
the
basement
are
ones
that
have
chosen
to
lease
a
space
in
the
basement
and
and
paid
for
it.
G
So
as
a
resident
come
into
that
black
block
of
flats
you'll,
you
will
have,
you
will
know
whether
you've
got
a
parking
space
or
not,
and
your
decision
about
whether
to
take
a
flat
there
is
is,
is
clearly
influenced
by
that
that
fact,
in
terms
of
numbers,
the
the
only
really
major
piece
of
research
that
has
been
done
on
it
was
was
actually
a
dclg
research
paper
back
in
2007.,
but
that
that
was
a
looked
at
census
data
and
and
and
demonstrated
that
the
the
the
re,
the
the
rental,
basically
a
property,
that's
rented
has
a
lower
tends
to
have
a
lower
parking
demand
than
a
a
in
a
property.
G
That's
been
bought
on
the
open
market
and,
and
and
that's
actually,
I
I
had
a
look-
the
census,
data
for
the
2011
census,
and
certainly
that
is
still
the
case
as
a
pattern
that
if
you
look
at
a
an
owned
property
that
the
the
parking
the
car
parking
ownership
is
is
much
much
higher
than
it
is
for
a
rented
property.
G
So
so
I
think
so.
We
are
comfortable
that
the
level
of
parking
proposed
fits
with
the
the
guidance.
That's
that
was
prepared
to
the
dclg
research
that
that
has
been
taken
into
the
our
street
design,
guide
and
and
really
the
the
point
that
richard
would
stay
addressing
at
the
outset
is:
is
that
fallback
positions
should
park
in
demand
exceed
the
expected
demand?
H
Yeah,
I
can
do
chair
yeah,
so
something
we
did
with
k3
and
k4
the
office
block
there,
where
we.
What
the
ultimate
ends
goal
is
to
encourage
sustainable
travel
because
we've
got
a
you
know
a.
H
Station
now
on
site,
we
do
have
buses
on
the
a65.
We
do
have
cycle
routes
through
the
site,
so
it,
although
obviously
clearly,
isn't
a
city
center
location.
It
does
have
a
a
range
of
mode
or
split
travel
patterns
to
it.
So
you
know,
essentially
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
work
with
the
developer
and
encourage
that
sustainability.
But
whilst
we
you
know,
we
recognize
that
people
do
still
own
cars.
H
H
I'm
I'm
absolutely
certain
that,
from
my
experience
of
working
with
coastal
forge
cg
that
they
sustainable
travel
is
very
much
part
of
their
business
plan
and
they
will
continue
to
do
that
that
that
said,
obviously
you
know
we
would
look
to
use
the
same
approved
document
that
we
did
on
k3
k4
with
slight
amendment
that
effectively
allows
for
alternative
options
for
temporary
car
parking.
If
parking
does
become
a
problem,
we
don't
feel
that
it
necessarily
would.
H
But
if
there
was
pressures
within
the
wider
community,
where
we
were
aware
that
parking
was
spilling
out
into
a
much
wider
radius
and
obviously
it
allows
us,
as
part
of
the
travel
plan,
condition
as
well
to
control
any
future
temporary
solutions.
Whilst,
obviously
we
explore
that
in
further
detail,
whether
that's
through
additional
traffic
regulation,
orders
or
or
such
like,
but
as
andy
says,
I
think
the
intention
is
that
you
know
residents.
It
won't
be
an
unallocated
parking
free-for-all.
A
Thank
you
richard
and
while
we
have
you
perhaps
you'd
like
to
comment
on
the
policy
compliance
aspect
of
the
question,
I
will
invite
councillor
finnegan
to
come
back
again
at
the
end
of
the
questions.
At
the
end
of
his
questions.
H
Yeah,
that's
on
obviously
yeah
on
policy
ian
one
again,
we've
taken
a
very
consistent
approach,
as
we
did
on
the
two
previous
reserve
matters
and
obviously,
as
it
was
looked
upon,
then
it
was
appreciated
that
the
original
outline
did
date
before
the
course
strategy.
So
there
was
as
part
of
the
outline
consent
under
under
condition,
10a
there's
a
requirement
that
sustainability
appraisal
needs
to
be
submitted
for
approval
to
each
particular
reserve
matters.
Now.
Obviously,
that
allows
us
to.
H
You
know,
look
at
closely
at
details
of
how
that
would
fit
with
with
policy.
En1
we've
had
an
energy
statement
provided
which
gives
some
ideas
of
how
they
would
be
looking
to
to
meet
that
policy,
and
we
have
got
a
specialist
from
hawley.
That's
part
of
the
consultant
team.
Looking
at
how
you
know,
certainly
both
the
apartments
and
the
dwellings
will
be
able
to
meet
policy
ea1,
I
think
again,
like
we
did
with
the
previous
reserve
matters.
We
would
just
be
looking
to
control
that,
through
the
condition
carefully.
H
Some
initial
ideas
that
they've
outlines,
though,
is
that
they
would
have
a
13.9
betterment
over
the
current
part,
l
building
regulations.
I
know
that
you
know
the
emissions
target
can
can
change
and
it's
due
to
potentially
change
soon,
but
certainly
in
terms
of
meeting
policy
en1
we
would.
We
would
look
to
obviously
improve
on
that
where
we
could.
H
The
further
on
in
the
statement
identifies
that
there
are
some
carbon
carbon,
reducing
factors
that
they
are
working
on
closely,
and
I
know
from
the
building
that
they've
worked
on
plot
j1,
it's
very
highly
energy
efficient
and
I
think
we've
been
looking
for
that
sort
of
quality
of
heat
recovery
to
be
provided
as
part
of
the
commercial
units
and
the
apartments
at
least.
H
Obviously,
there's
other
issues
that
they're
going
to
provide
like
air
source
heat
pumps
for
domestic
hot
water,
there's
a
range
of
measures,
and
obviously
it's
a
highly
sustainable
site
in
itself
in
terms
of
where
it's
located.
So,
I
think
we're
confident
we
get
through.
H
That
we
can
again
address
em
one
because
obviously
policy
em-1
has
has
come
about
since
2014
and
that
obviously
is
very
much
after
the
original
outline
was
was,
was
written
and
and
consented.
So
you
know
we're
working
with
what
we've
got,
but
you
know
we
certainly
feel
we
can.
You
know
we
we
can
go
further
and
and
that's
what
the
condition
discharge
would
do.
H
Yeah
ian
too,
as
well
it
it
might
be
worth
possibly
on
on
both
actually
he's
asking
hor
lee
who
who
are
here
just
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
about
both,
because
I
do
think
you
know
that.
As
I
say,
we
haven't
gone
into
a
finer
level
of
detail
now
because,
obviously
it's
conditional
discharge,
but
they
would
probably
do
a
better
job
than
I
would
in
to
explain
that
detail.
A
C
Just
for
the
sake
of
clarification,
there's
no
condition
at
the
beginning
of
the
report
about
and
one
or
end
two.
So
I'm
not
sure
how
they're
going
to
condition
that
there
is.
I
have
a
concern
about
80
one-bedroom
flats
and
taking
into
account
that
we're
supposed
to
be
able
to
evidence
the
need
for
that
in
terms
of
housing
makes
I'm
just
wondering
why
or
how
or
what
evidence
there
is
to
support
that
contention
that
we
need
eighty
one
bedroom
flats
at
this
location.
A
H
I
mean
broadly
that
the
housing
mix
you
know
does
does
seem
to,
in
our
view,
work
with.
Obviously
the
policy
h4.
You
know,
certainly
what
we've
tried
to
do
actually
on
this.
This
scheme
is
try
and
get
a
few
more
three
bed
apartments
to
just
try
and
vary
up
a
little
bit,
because
some
of
the
the
previous
schemes
were
primarily
weighted
towards
one
and
two
bed,
so
I
think
we
tried
to
get
you
know
a
reasonable
mix
over
above
the
the
previous
game,
but
again
it
it.
H
It
kind
of
goes
back
to
the
outline
and
because
obviously,
housing
mix
wasn't
a
requirement,
then
obviously
we're
working
with
what
we've
got
with
the
current
outline
consent.
But
that
said,
I
think
we
do
feel
that
it
certainly
meets
policy
h4
I
mean
there
are
obviously
variations
of
of
how
many
one
bid
that
you
could
have
within
that,
but
you
know
certainly
the
improvement
in
three
bid.
I
think
we
feel
has
the
right
balance
of
one
two
three
bid.
H
A
I'm
sure
you'll
want
to
pick
that
up
in
comments.
Councillor
finnegan,
I
have
seen
councillor
hesselwood
and
councillor
hamilton,
but
I
I
suspect
david
wants
to
come
in
on
the
on
the
current
subject
being
discussed
david.
F
Thank
you
very
much
chair
it
was.
It
was
just
really
a
matter
just
about
what
we're
considering
today.
I
suppose
the
application
now
in
front
of
members
is
one
of
the
reserved
matters.
So
it's
just
about
the
details
of
the
sighting,
the
design,
the
external
appearance
and
and
landscaping
matters
of
housing.
Housing
mix
really
are
matters
which
would
fall
with
the
consideration
of
the
outline,
so
we're
sort
of
beyond
that
stage.
But
I
appreciate
that
it's
it.
F
It
does
get
confused
and
the
waters
do
get
muddied
because,
naturally,
in
the
reports
we
and
naturally
as
members,
you
tend
to
look
at
the
broad
spectrum
of
policies
and
we
tend
to
look
at
the
broad
spectrum
of
policies.
And
so,
when
we're
talking
about
design,
we
start
talking
about
space
standards
and
space
standards
being
met.
So
there
is
some
grey
areas,
but
matters
such
as
housing
mix
really
a
matter
for
the
the
outline,
not
a
matter
which
is
before
us
today.
A
E
Sorry,
chad,
I
was
just
going
to
come
in
on
the
travel
of
sustainable
travel
because
obviously
we,
as
richard
said,
we've
got
the
our
ward
board
as
this
development
and
we've
got
the
train
station
plus
the
canal
that
a
lot
of
people
use
to
work,
walk
and
cycle
into
the
city
centre
as
well.
So
as
far
as
you
know,
this
parking
spaces
as
a
ward
councillor
who
borders
this.
I
don't
think
we'll
we'll
have
that
much
of
a
problem
with
parking.
E
I
think
people
will
take
advantage
of
the
of
all
those
amenities
around
them
and
you
know
to
travel
rather
than
drive.
A
D
My
question
chair
was
regarding
the
54
parking
space,
how
many
disable
space
are
included
in
there
and
just
also
to
ask
another
civic
trust
of
the
last
point
block,
e2
and
e3.
I
just
want
to
know
if
it's
been
looked
at
or
you
know
their
suggestion
regarding
the
benefit
from
gating
system
and
the
natural
light
and
ventilation
for
the
patios
and
just
want
to
know
if
those
were
looked
at
and
have
been
addressed.
D
A
You
we'll
go
back
to
you
to
start
with
richard.
H
Yeah,
I
mean
certainly
in
terms
of
the
ventilation
that
that's
something
that
we've
we've
worked
on
with
the
architects.
In
terms
of
that
that
bay
detail
the
the
the
perforation
slides
that
we
saw
earlier
showing
how
the
coastal
forage
history
will,
you
know,
allow
for
obviously
quite
characteristic
piece
of
metal
work
there,
but
also
allowing,
at
the
same
time
the
natural
ventilation
to
get
into
the
car
part.
H
So
it's
something
that
yeah
civic
trust
did
raise
and
and
something
that
we,
you
know,
we've
picked
up
as
well,
but
certainly
you
know
there
is
a
condition
also
on
the
on
the
reserve
matters
consistent
with
the
previous
schemes.
That
essentially,
would
prove
the
detail
of
the
natural
ventilation
to
the
car
part
units,
but
we're
confident
that
that
you
know
that
that
work,
the
architects
have
done
will
be,
will
be
fit
for
purpose
and
certainly
improves
upon
the
previous
schemes.
H
In
that
sense,
yeah
in
terms
of
the
car
parking
arrangements
and
and
the
ex
and
the
accessible
spaces,
I'm
just
just
gonna
bring
up
we.
You
know
we
certainly
look
for
obviously
the
five
percent
car
parking,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
find
the
I
don't
know
if
perhaps
toby
can
go
back
to
that
particular
slide,
which
is,
I
think,
let's
have
a
look.
I
think
it
might
be
slide.
21.
H
Toby
can
bring
that
up.
It's
like
21..
It
shows
that
the
four
disabled
spaces
there
as
part
of
the
the
overall
provision
meeting
that
five
percent.
So
obviously
yes,
there
is
disabled
provision
within
the
within
the
layout
and
obviously
you
know
it
it's
something
that
the
architects
would
comment
on
on
further.
But
if
you
also
compare
it
to
the
previous
scheme,
which
is
slide,
20
toby
hoping
you
can
do
that,
don't
know.
If
you
just
bring
up
slide
20,
then
it
shows.
H
D
Back,
yes,
je.
I
just
wanted
counselor
brooke
question
regarding
play
area
around
the
the
blocks.
I
don't
think
that
was.
D
A
A
I
don't
think
I
see
any
fresh
hands
up,
so
perhaps
we
could
go
down
my
list
that
I've
got
four
items:
children's
play
bike
charging
balcony
space,
en1
and
en2.
So
could
we
ask
about
the
children's
play?
First
of
all,
could
somebody
from
the
kirkstall
forge
team
shed
any
light
on
that?
As
has
already
been
said,
this
is
a
development
with
a
with
a
lot
of
natural
space
and
and
green
space,
so
that
there
is
scope
for
recreation,
but
I
I
think
the
question
specifically
was
was
about
children.
G
Yes,
thank
you
good
afternoon.
My
name
is
james
shimwell,
cg
I'll
I'll
answer.
Some
of
the
questions.
If
it's
okay
with
you,
chair,
I'll
I'll,
bring
in
the
architects
and
the
engineers
if
more
details
needed
children's
play
is
a
good
question.
G
G
So
children's
play
is
considered.
It
is
part
of
the
landscape
design.
I
don't
know
whether
yeah
is
it.
Is
that
okay
or
do
you
need
to
see
it
on
a
drawing.
A
Sharon
you're
on
mute,
but
I
saw
you
nodding.
G
Okay,
yeah
so
just
to
sort
of
well,
hopefully
it's
relatively
clear
where
we
are
so.
The
two
apartment
buildings
are
right
in
front
of
us
and
then
to
the
to
the
left-hand
side,
just
above
the
left-hand
apartment
building
is
where
the
two
prototype
houses
have
been
constructed
and
just
to
the
right
of
that
is
the
area
that
we
call
the
pocket
park.
G
So
within
that
will
be
designed
the
children's
play
area
and
has
a
connection
up,
and
I
mean
it
shows
there
like
there's
a
big
kind
of
river
running
through
which
there
isn't
at
the
moment.
So
the
connection
up
into
those
woods
there'll
be
a
land,
a
landscape,
woodland,
walk
that
we're
just
trying
to
figure
out
what
we
do
with
the
water
course
at
the
moment,
whether
it's
worth
making
it
into
a
watercourse.
G
So
the
objective
is
that
it
would
be
water,
we're
not
quite
sure
how
practical
that
is
at
the
moment.
But
fundamentally
that's
where
the
children's
play
area
will
be
in
the
pocket
park
just
between
the
houses.
E
A
G
Yes,
so
we
have
bike
charging
within
the
cycle
store
and
there's
a
bike
charge
point
within
the
stitch
square
within
the
landscape
area
between
the
two
buildings.
I
Not
a
great
deal
hello,
thomas
boehner
from
we
are
both
on
the
m
e
and
sustainability
consultancy
side
for
on
behalf
of
cg.
So,
as
was
mentioned
earlier,
the
the
current
kind
of
scheme
obviously
predates
the
current
core
strategy
notwithstanding.
Cg
are
obviously
very
aware
of
of
where
the
scheme
sits
in
terms
of
cycle
routes
and
it
being
used
by
both
people
that
occupy
the
site
that
live
there
and
work
there,
but
also
passing
through
so
yeah.
I
There
is
a
there
is
a
definite
desire
to
include
cycle
charge
and
provision
within
the
scheme
and
and
that,
as
we
mentioned,
is
gonna
kind
of
the
final
detail
of
that
is
to
be
established.
But
there
will
absolutely
be
a
provision
within
these
plots
and
probably
within
the
master
plan
as
well.
Thank.
A
You
and
en1
and
en2
is
there
a
member
of
the
team
who
would
like
specifically
to
address
those
issues.
I
Yeah
so
once
again,
the
the
scheme
obviously
predates
the
current
core
strategy
in
terms
of
what's
been
set,
but
cg
is
kind
of
as
testament
with
what
happened
with
number
one.
The
first
office
building
they're
a
very
forward-thinking
developer
sustainability
carbon
is,
is
massively
up
on
one
of
the
top
things
on
their
agenda
because
it's
it's
on
everyone's
agenda
now.
So,
if
I'm
okay,
to
bring
up
just
a
small
kind
of
diagram
to
support.
What
I'm
saying
is
that
okay.
A
D
D
I
Okay,
so
policy
en1
is
all
about
carbon
emissions
and
we're
the
cg
are
more
than
aware
that
there's
obviously
we're
in
a
climate
emergency.
So
what
this
scheme
is
is
looking
at
is
tracking
the
decarbonization
that
we're
seeing
in
the
national
grid.
So,
as
I'm
sure,
many
of
you
are
aware,
we're
seeing
much
more
renewables
being
introduced
in
the
national
grid,
more
wind,
more
solar,
which
is
bringing
down
the
carbon
factor
of
of
grid
electricity.
I
I
You
may
have
also
seen
the
government
has
announced
the
the
future
home
standard
and
some
changes
to
the
building
and
regulations
expected
at
the
end
of
this
year,
which
is
going
to
update
to
suit
this
decarbonization
in
the
grid.
So
the
scheme
is
already
looking
at
that
and
responding
to
that
ahead
of
of
really
statutory
policy.
I
So
if
we
start
taking
some
of
the
more
realistic
carbon
factors
you
can
see,
the
scheme
is
is
producing
like
well
over
55
carbon
reductions
and
as
we
as
the
national
grid
becomes
more
decarbonized.
The
scheme
will
emit
even
less
carbon
so
by
the
point
of
of
2030
we're
looking
at
a
potential
kind
of
over
90
carbon
reduction,
which
is
as
well
in
excess
of
the
in
one
twenty
percent
requirement.
A
I
A
I
So
ent2
concerns
both
brian
for
non-residential
areas
over
a
thousand
square
meters,
so
that
is
being
considered
by
the
applicant.
On
this
scheme,
we've
submitted
a
both
an
energy
strategy
and
a
sustainability
statement
with
the
application.
I
The
other
part
of
en2
that
is
important
is
to
do
with
water
conservation,
the
total
amount
of
use
per
day,
so
that
is
included
and
the
applicant
plans
to
adhere
to
that.
I'm
just
going
to
change
my
window.
If
my
computer
will.
Let
me.
I
Okay,
so
within
the
sustainability
statement,
this
provides
kind
of
a
hopefully
a
pretty
one-page
summary
of
the
many
many
aspects
of
the
scheme
that
are
kind
of
responding
to
both
current
policy.
Even
though
the
scheme
predates
the
current
core
policy
as
well
as
kind
of
future
policy
that
we
know
is
happening
so
overall,
taking
a
really
holistic
view
to
sustainability.
A
J
Yes,
would
you
like
us
to
share
a
plan?
Would
that
be
or
maybe
richard
if
we
could
go
back
to
the
3d
views
that
were
shown
in
your
presentation,
which
gives
a
good
indication
of
the
areas
that
we've
allocated?
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate.
Richard
did
say
you
know
we
can
definitely
get
a
table
and
chairs
on
them,
they're
very
generous,
as
well
as
having
our
roof
terrace
level
on
level
seven.
J
So
maybe,
if
we
just
shared
that
view
to
show
those
balconies
there
so.
H
Be
that
if
you
toby
you
can
go
to
slide
36
perhaps
maybe
might
be
your
best
one.
I
don't
know.
J
That's
that's
a
good
one,
so
I
think
richard
you
have
presented
this
really
well
and
we're
trying
to
get
some
common
language
with
the
town
houses
as
well
with
the
larger
building
and
the
apartment
building,
and
these
those
balconies
south
facing
generous.
I
think
we're
must
be
about
1.5.
E
1.5,
deep
just
less
than
six
square
meters
about
5.8
square
meters,.
J
Yeah
so
I
mean
it's,
you
know
it's
really
lovely
and
generous
to
get
a
table
and
chairs
out
there
and,
as
we
explained
earlier,
those
are
the
larger
units
on
the
corners
that
benefit
from
dual
aspects.
So
certainly
everybody
will
get
a
table
and
chairs
out
there
and
not
be
squashed
and
not
being
able
to
use
them
properly.
A
E
Thank
you,
james
did
you
come
on
to
the
question
of
the
pocket,
packing
the
player
and-
and
I
just
want
to
ascertain
what
was
the
digi
and
sorted-
I'm
going
to
slightly
disagree
with
the
chair
here?
Actually,
so
I'm
probably
being
hot
bother.
E
What
was
the
reason
for
going
for
a
non-formal
play
area
as
opposed
to
what
you've
gone
for,
because
I
am
hoping
it's
a
technical
rather
than
an
aesthetic
reason,
because
I'm
sure
other
colleagues
on
this
conversation
will
probably
point
out
when
we
tend
to
get
people
asked
for
play
areas,
they
tend
to
ask
for
slides
and
swings
and
play
it
in
a
more
formal
play
equipment.
So
I'm
not
always,
but
I
also
appreciate
that
this
is
very
close
already
to
woodlands
and
other
green
areas.
H
Yeah,
so
what
we've
tried
to
do
is
we
tried
to
just
work
the
original
master
plan
and
the
original
design
statement,
and
I
think
this
this
idea
of
having
this
green
stitch
was
always
the
concept
of
where
the
pocket
part
provided
that
transition
between
you
know
some
informal
recreational
space.
You
know
benches
etc
and
some
some
work
to
that
area
before
it
became
the
natural
woodland
area.
So
we're
trying
not
to
overly
heavily
engineer
that
space.
H
That
said,
you
know,
I
think,
there's
a
there's
a
theme
coming
through
here
that
obviously
we
do
have
family
housing
and
you
know
essentially
whether
you
know
you
could
further
look
at
if
what
we've
provided
is
is
is
fit
for
purpose
for
families.
But
you
know,
we've
always
tried
to
be
consistent
with
the
previous
outline
scheme,
which
has
its
own
master
plan
and
design
code.
H
It
wasn't
something
that
was
raised
through
that,
but
obviously
you
know
I'm
listening
to
the
presentation
from
others,
and
I
think
you
know
if,
if
curse
or
forge,
are
happy,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
to
re-look
at
whether
that
you
know
we
can
maybe
just
get
some
play
equipment
within
them
within
that
space
on
the
more
accessible
level
areas.
I
I
don't
know
what
the
architect's
comments
are
on
that.
A
J
Yes,
sorry
richard,
yes,
I
mean
you
know
absolutely
I
mean
we're
working
with
landscape
architects
as
well,
so
it's
certainly
something
that
we
can
investigate
with
them.
Thank.
A
You,
I
think
councillor
brook's
hand,
has
gone
down
and
councillor
campbell's
hand
has
gone
up
councillor
campbell.
C
Sorry,
just
just
a
a
quick
one,
you
remember
the
picture
you
showed
me
the
the
balconies.
J
H
C
C
I
think
I
think
the
phrase
is
beigeness
now.
I
know
these
are
slightly
pale
bricks
when
I
won't
say
they
wrote
beige,
but
I
do
wonder
if
looking
at
that
streetscape
there's
there's
a
great
deal
of
similarity
about
it,
and
perhaps
you
could
tell
me-
or
perhaps
you
could
even
tweak,
certainly
with
the
house
types
or
with
the
house
frontages.
J
Yes,
please
show
maybe
richard
if
we
could
just
scroll
back
one
more
slide
there,
because
obviously
the
beauty
of
all
buildings
is
in
the
detail,
and
one
of
the
things
we've
been
concentrating
on
is
not
only
the
brick
detailing
but
the
bond
so
that
you
get
this
lovely
variation
between
bricks
and
there
are
just
maybe
scroll
forward.
Was
it
rich
or
scroll
back?
Please
just
go
back
a
couple
more.
If
we
may,
we
had
a
nice
3d
view
of.
J
H
F
H
Think
it's
like
31
toby
that
made
the
base
study.
K
H
J
A
J
A
J
We're
setting
the
bricks
back
at
the
parapets
again
to
get
shadow
and
interest.
So
what
we're
keen
on
is
this
sort
of
honesty
of
expression
that
is
doing
a
an
honest
job,
showing
where
structure
is
showing
some
depth,
showing
true
bonds
of
the
brickwork
to
get
that
variety
of
header,
stretcher
color.
J
So
I
wanted
to
just
say
that
we
hear
what
you're
saying
about
trying
to
get
some
definition
between
the
two.
But
the
the
way
this
building
is
delivered
designed
is
is
different
in
the
level
of
detail
to
the
residential,
smaller
buildings,
and
it's
not
because
then
they
designed
the
design
simpler.
But
the
same
brick
is
in
mind
to
use
across
the
buildings
to
keep
that
continuity.
A
Thank
you
peter
right.
I
think
we'll
move
now
to
comments.
Please
comments,
views
with
regard
to
the
recommendation,
so
I've
got
councillor
ray
first
and
then
councillor
campbell
again
councillor
ray.
Thank
you.
E
Chair
overall,
really
good
in
most
respects,
it's
also
been
a
well-considered
design,
like
the
only
caveat
being
bearing
in
mind
as
large
woods
nearby,
maybe
just
looking
to
readdress,
not
in
an
overly
engineered
way,
but
just
looking
to
slightly
readdress
the
the
formal
kind
of
play
equipment
as
it
emerges
into
the
woods
just
to
cater
for
a
wider
range
of
children,
but
other
than
that.
A
good
application
overall.
C
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
it
it's
as
usual
these
that
they're
well
well
thought
out
applications
that
we
get
on
this
particular
site.
I
suppose
there
are
two
two
comments.
One
is,
as
I
asked
the
question.
This
is
the
third
time
you've
had
to
go
at
this.
C
Are
you
likely
to
start
or
what's
the
likelihood
of
you
starting
and,
and
the
second
point
is
I
I'm
going
to
take
the
opposite
view
to
councillor
ray
in
relation
to
to
play
areas
actually
where,
in
my
old
teacher's
hat,
I
think
informal
or
less
formalized
play
areas.
Natural
players
are
much
better
for
children
because
it
allows
them
to
use
their
imagination.
A
I
would
find
adjudicating
on
that
extremely
difficult,
because
I
am
of
the
very
strong
view
that
there's
a
good,
very
strong
educational
reason
for
having
not
necessarily
natural
areas,
which
I
love,
but
certainly
play
areas
that
give
open-ended
opportunities
which
the
formal
play
areas.
Don't
we
could
go
on
that
debate
forever.
I
think
that's
something
it
eventually
will
have
to
be
settled
outside
panel.
It
is
a
a
practical
matter
and
we'll
need
to
decide
which,
which
way
the
the
developers
are
going.
The
next
one
on
my
list
is
councillor
finnegan
thanks.
C
Chair,
I'm
unconvinced
with
this
particular
application.
I've
heard
a
lot
of
waffle
about
car
parking.
I
don't
believe
a
word
of
it.
I
don't
believe
it
is
policy
compliant.
I
see
very
little
other
than
the
aspirational
about
em-1
and
en2.
There
are
no
hard
details
or
hard
facts
that
convince
me
that
it
does
comply
with
those
and
I'm
entirely
utterly
unconvinced
that
80
one-bedroom
flats
does
anything
towards
a
cohesive
neighborhood.
It
encourages
a
transitory
population
and
all
the
problems
and
difficulties
that
that
create.
So
I
won't
be
supporting
this
application.
Thank
you.
A
B
Thank
you
chair.
I
think
I
think
there's
a
lot.
There's
a
lot
good
about
this
application.
I'm
I'm
particularly
pleased
about
the
the
balconies,
because
I
think
I
think
it's
been
shown
over
the
course
of
the
pandemic
that
when
you
do
live
in
a
flat,
you
do
need
that
extra
bit
of
amenity
space,
and
I
think
with
with
regards
again
to
this
this
play
area
if
you've
got
just
beyond
the
development.
B
You've
got
woods,
then
having
a
safe
play
area
for
for
resident
kids
to
go
to
and
start
to
develop
their
independence
and
the
parents
know
that
they're
safe
while
going
there.
B
I
think
that
that's
also
very
good
for
the
development
and
I'm
thinking
of
my
own
upbringing
in
nottinghamshire,
when
I
was
like
eight
nine
years
old
and
was
allowed
to
go
to
the
playground
on
my
own
because
it
you
know
it's
quite
a
safe
area,
and
I
want
that
for
other
kids
as
well
growing
it
so
yeah,
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
leave
leave
it
at
that.
I
would
like
to
to
just
say
with
regards
to
the
debacle
earlier
with
the
with
the
the
layout.
B
A
A
Okay,
I
my
own
view
about
this
is
that
there
was
permission
given
for
a
very,
very
similar
scheme,
and
I
did
feel
it
was
significant
enough
in
the
city
for
this
to
come
back,
even
though
it
was
for
relatively
slight
alterations
from
what's
already
been
approved,
so
that
that's
why
it
was
in
front
of
you.
But
I
would
like
david
to
just
remind
us
what
reserved
mata's
approval
is
actually
placing
in
front
of
us
for
approval.
Could
you
do
that?
For
us
david?
Please.
F
Yes,
chair
so
with
the
outline
having
established
the
principle
and
the
parameters
of
the
planning
permission,
the
outline
planning
permission,
the
reserve
matters
simply
deals
with
the
sighting
of
the
buildings,
the
design
and
exter
the
design
of
the
development.
The
external
appearance
of
the
buildings
I.e
the
way
it
looks
and
the
landscaping
the
treatment
of
the
land
as
it
were,
of
of
this
particular
site.
So
they're
the
matters
which
are
before
members
citing
design
external
appearance
and
landscaping.
A
Okay,
so
with
those
matters
in
mind,
do
I
have
a
proposal
for
the
recommendation?
Please,
yes,
I'll
propose
it.
Thank
you
very
much
councillor
reagan
and
councillor
ray.
I
will
now
take
the
vote
so
again.
Fred.
It
means
we
have
to
go
through
everybody's
name
in
alphabetical
order.
Could
you
indicate
please
whether
you
are
supporting
against
or
abstaining?
Please
counselor
anderson.
C
A
And
I
support
two
so
if
you
could
just
formally
announce
that
result
andy
for
us,
please,
yes,.
A
A
F
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
just
double
check.
Do
you
want
me
to
pick
up
that
mention
of
sugar
hill
close?
Oh,
yes,.
A
F
A
A
A
F
Okay,
yes,
thank
you
chair,
yes,
just
just
to
confirm,
then
that
member
was
resolved
to
grant
reserve
mata's
approval
for
the
development
of
kirkstall,
forge
that
was
subject
to
the
conditions
set
out
on
page
nine,
with
an
additional
condition
attached
to
deal
with
the
travel
plan,
provision
of
the
travel
plan
with
reference
to
the
parking
strategy
plan,
and
that
was
passed
as
a
vote
of
nine
to
one
just
with
regard
to
the
other
matter.
F
Just
before
we
go
into
the
formal
consideration
of
agenda
item,
eight
members
may
already
be
aware,
but
I
thought
it'd
probably
be
worth
drawing
your
attention
to
this,
that
we've
received
the
appeal
decisions
in
respect
or
we've
received
appeal
decisions
and
respected
the
proposed
development
at
sugar
hill.
Close.
I'm
sure
members
will
remember
that
this
was
a
very
sensitive
development,
very
difficult
case,
very
difficult
for
the
local
community.
F
It
was
a
proposal
to
demolish
70
houses
and
put
up
70
houses,
further
70
houses
in
its
place,
so
in
some
respects
a
like
for
like
replacement.
The
unusual
characteristic
of
this
particular
development
was
that
those
houses
were
already
occupied.
F
So
members,
the
local
community
are
obviously
extremely
concerned
and
members
resolve
that
planning
permission
should
be
refused
two
grounds,
one
in
terms
of
the
form
of
the
development
and
inadequate
immunity
space
with
provision
with
specific
regard
to
some
of
the
garden
sizes.
F
F
That
revised
plan
meant
that
that
reason
for
refusal
fell,
but
the
the
appeal
was
still
fought
on
the
issue
of
the
dissipation
of
the
community
and
the
harmful
effects
that
the
development
would
have
on
the
community.
I
should
say
what
we
will
do
is
we'll
bring
a
full
report
to
members
with
copies
of
the
appeal
decisions
attached
and
that'll
probably
be
presented
to
the
next
plans
panel,
but
I
thought
it
was
worthwhile
just
giving
you
the
headlines.
F
The
inspector
dismissed
that
application
for
all
the
awarded
costs
that
wasn't
granted
so
just
concentrating
on
the
planning
appeal.
The
inspector
recognized
the
point
and
acknowledged
the
point
that
members
raised
about
the
impact
on
the
local
community,
except
that
was
a
material
consideration
and
also
accepted
that
the
development
would
have
harmful
effects.
F
The
inspector
also
came
to
the
view
that
there
would
be
some
harm
through
the
loss
of
the
existing
housing
members
may
record
as
airy
housing,
very
local,
distinct
characters,
former
national
union
mine
workers,
housing,
and
it
does
have
some
historic
value.
F
In
that
sense,
the
inspector
came
to
view
that
at
the
end.
Well,
yes,
it
would
result
in
the
loss
of
this
heritage
asset
as
it
were,
non-designated
heritage
asset
to
use
the
planning
phrase,
but
that
was
offset
by
the
fact
that
the
houses
were
considered
to
be
a
poor
structural
condition
that
if
they
were
to
be
refurbished,
the
amount
of
refurbishments
works
that
would
have
to
take
place
would
inevitably
harm
the
character
of
those
houses,
so
that
would
damage
damaged
the
heritage
asset
in
itself.
F
But
the
inspector
came
to
the
conclusion
on
the
basis,
the
evidence
that
was
provided,
that
the
demolition
of
the
houses
due
to
their
poor
condition
was
justified
and
that
also
not
only
diminished
the
heritage
arguments
as
it
as
it
were,
but
it
also
served
to
give
way
to
the
inspector
to
grant
planning
permission
for
the
development
the
inspector
reached
the
view
that,
in
all
other
respects,
the
development
complied
with
our
planning
policies.
F
So,
in
light
of
all
of
that,
the
inspector
allowed
the
the
appeal
a
couple
of
points
to
to
note
in
terms
of
the
dissipation
of
the
the
community,
the
scheme
will
deliver
11,
affordable
units
and
those
residents
who
are
unregulated,
assured
or
assured
tenancies,
which
I
believe
is
11
households
will
also
be
re-housed
within
the
development.
G
F
Existing
residents
within
those
affordable
units,
so
that's
something
which
is
under
consideration
under
negotiation
and
a
further
11
households
in
terms
of
regulated
and
assured
tenants
will
be
rehoused
as
part
of
any
redevelopment
that
takes
place.
I
should
also
mention
this
is
outside
of
the
world
of
planning
as
it
were,
but
members
should
be
aware
that
there
are
high
level
discussions
already
taking
place
between
the
council
and
the
residents
and
between
the
council
and
the
developers
looking
to
see
if
there
are
other
things
that
the
council
can
do
to
help
safeguard.
F
So
that's
a
discussion
which
is
ongoing,
but,
as
I
say,
all
I
want
to
do
is
just
draw
attention
to
fact:
decisions
come
through
give
you
the
headlines
of
those
decisions
and
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
bring
a
fuller
report
to
probably
the
next
plans
panel
for
members,
consideration
and
information.
Thank
you.
Chad.
A
Thank
you
for
that
david.
It's
without
doubt
is
one
of
the
most
difficult
planning
applications.
I
think
this
panel
has
dealt
with.
Certainly
in
the
time
that
I've
been
a
councillor,
it
was
extremely
demanding.
E
E
Okay,
thanks
chair,
so
members
may
be
aware
that
the
or
you
will
recall
that
in
2019
you
granted
permission
for
an
out
of
town
center
retail
scheme
on
the
former
site
of
benin
house
in
middleton,
and
that
was
in
relation
to
an
a1
retail
unit.
Primarily,
I
think
it
was
a
little
unit
and
it
was
going
to
be
or
will
be,
situated
next
to
an
asda
store
so
that
that
permission
was
granted
by
panel
against
officer
recommendations
and
it
was
brought.
E
It
was
a
subject
to
a
challenge
by
judicial
review
by
asda,
and
that
was
heard
in
the
high
court
in
december
2019,
where
the
court
found
in
favor
of
the
council.
But
then
asda
was
granted
permission
to
appeal
to
the
court
of
appeal,
and
that
was
heard
just
before
christmas,
and
the
decision
was
handed
down
just
last
week
in
that
the
court
of
appeal
again
found
in
favour
of
the
council.
E
So
the
general
crux
of
the
challenge
was
that
asda
were
of
the
view
that
paragraph
90
of
the
mppf,
which
states
that,
if
a
sequential
test
regarding
retail
impact
assessment,
is
not
met,
or
if
it's
finds
that
it's
likely
to
have
a
significant
impact
on
the
retail
center,
then
it
says
the
that
plan
and
permission
should
be
refused.
E
But
the
court
of
the
high
court
and
the
court
of
appeal
after
that
were
very
clear-
that
the
whole
set
of
circumstances
about
paragraph
90
was
very
clearly
put
before
members,
especially
in
the
specific
word
and
of
the
reports
that
were
put
before
you
and
that
you
absolutely
understood
the
meaning
of
what
that
meant
and
that
you
would
probably
you
were
properly
directed
in
legal
advice
with
regard
to
what
that
meant
in
your
decision,
making
your
ability
to
make
decisions
and
balance
balance
the
case
against
other
material
considerations.
E
So
they
were
really
clear
by
reference
to
what
was
said
by
yourselves
as
panel
and
that
it
was
absolutely
appropriate
for
you
to
place
more
weight
on
matters
such
as
economic
regeneration
and
more
jobs,
which
is
the
greater
way
that
you
put
on
that
matter
than
what
you
did
on
the
on
the
harm
that
was
said
to
be
found
on
the
district
center.
So
all
in
all
everything
was
done
correctly.
We
were
found
to
be
legally
correct,
but
the
court
did
did
specifically
refer
to
the
way
that
the
reports
were
written.
E
How
members
were
given
the
right
information
expressly
pulled
out.
Word
for
word
from
the
policy
so
that
there
could
be
absolutely
no
misunderstanding
by
you
as
to
what
was
expected
of
you
or
what
you
were
being
required
to
weigh
up
in
the
different
considerations,
and
that
was
also
referred
to
very
clearly
in
the
minutes
as
to
why
you
felt
what
other
factors
took
greater
weight
or
were
given
greater
weight
than
those
than
those
nppf
policies.
E
So
good.
It
was
good
news,
so
the
the
plan
of
permission
still
stands
and
the
council
will
recover
all
its
costs
in
britain
defending
those
challenges
from
asda.
A
Thank
you,
nicole,
and
and
thank
you
panel
for
such
sound
decision
making
and
such
careful
consideration,
because
that
was
another
one
that
was
both
controversial
and
difficult
and
with
a
good
outcome
for
us
in
the
end.
So
thank
you
and
thanks
for
the
succinctness
and
accuracy
of
that
report,
nicole,
much
appreciated
okay,
so
that
will
now
take
us
on
to
agenda
item
eight,
which
is
the
application
for
eleven
houses
and
four
bungalows
with
staff
facilities
and
staff
accommodation
off
cockshot
lane
in
armley
richard
this.
H
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
If
I
could
just
start
off
by
introducing,
we
also
have
on
the
presentation
this
afternoon.
We've
got
richard
marsh
who's,
the
senior
nature
conservation
officer
at
the
council.
H
He
will
be
here
to
answer
any
questions,
etcetera
as
well
also
sheamus,
corp
who's,
the
principal
landscape
officer,
so
particularly
any
questions
around
biodiversity,
nature
conservation
to
richard
and
sheamus
on
obviously,
landscape
and
tree
protection
issues.
So
chair.
This
presentation
is
to
provide
a
position
statement
updating
the
panel
of
the
application
proposed,
which
is
a
hybrid
model
of
development
and
split
between
11
private
dwellings
and
a
supported
living
scheme
which
is
made
up
of
one
block,
namely
13
apartments,
one
bed,
apartments
and
one
staff
accommodation
unit
and
a
further
separate
block
of
four
bungalows.
H
Alongside
this,
which
contains
new
road
infrastructure,
would
be
the
creation
of
a
new
landscaped
area
of
the
existing
green
space
that
is
set
towards
the
bottom
third
of
the
site
has
to
be
shown
in
the
following
slides
next
slide.
Please
toby.
H
So
the
site
here
in
red
is
just
shy
of
one
hectare.
It's
set
on
a
cleared
land,
a
clear
piece
of
land,
a
site
with
an
established
residential
urban
community
within
armley,
and
not
too
far
from
the
a647
stanley
road.
You
can
see
there
it
within
the
slide.
The
site
was
historically.
G
H
behind
the
public
house,
was
a
bowling
green
present
till
around
about
the
1940s
50s
to
aid
members
visually
and
with
the
orientation
which,
as
the
slides
will
show,
has
become
somewhat
overgrown
with
self-seeded
vegetation
over
the
years.
I
draw
your
attention
to
the
electricity
pylon
and
the
line
of
the
overhead
cables.
This
is
set
in
the
bottom
third
of
the
site,
which
is
the
green
space
area.
I
will
refer
to
next
slide.
Please
toby.
H
H
Going
clockwise
around
the
site
is
the
weather
park
post
office
and
the
general
convenience
store
gotts
park
avenue
is
a
run
of
mainly
semi-detached
red
brick
properties
dating
from
the
1940s
50s,
that
back
onto
the
site
to
the
southeast
side
of
site
is
army
ridge.
Road
allotments
to
the
south,
and
the
south
west
of
the
site
is
cockshot
drive
a
cul-de-sac
of
1950s
60s
houses.
H
H
This
ariel
shows
the
context
as
found
generally,
which
is
reflective
of
today.
The
more
open
area
where
the
bowling
green
lays
is
seen
fairly
central
within
the
site
and
some
trees
that
remain
particularly
around
the
privacy
of
this
area
benefit
from
a
tree
preservation
order
made
in
1994
next
slide.
Please.
H
H
This
slide
shows
the
site,
circa
1933
with
the
public
house
and
the
bowling
green
evident.
You
can
also
see
an
annotation
ep,
which
is
likely
to
be
the
reference
to
the
early
electricity
pilot
or
the
base
intended
for
it
next
slide.
Please,
this
slide
is
a
1932
image
of
the
public
house.
That's
now
been
demolished
note
the
design
of
the
gable
fronted
projections
and
the
materials
which
are
brick
at
ground
floor
level,
with
a
pebble
dash
star,
render
above
the
first
floor
level.
H
H
This
map
here
shows
the
public
right-of-way
route,
which
is
a
claims
footpath,
not
a
definitive
one,
but
acclaimed
one
dashed
in
green,
which
runs
from
cockshot
lane
down
to
army
ridge
road,
and
there
are
forks
that
come
off,
that
towards
copshot
drive
at
two
points
between
23
and
25
that
are
referred
to
and
another
to
the
head
of
the
cul-de-sac.
Cockshot
drive.
However,
this
particular
latter
route
appears
to
have
been
blocked,
fenced
off
in
more
recent
times
at
the
resident.
Goings
next
slide,
please.
H
Next
slide,
please,
the
next
few
photos
date
from
may
2019
and
do
reflect
the
fact
that
the
application
has
been
in
for
some
time
now,
and
officers
are
keen
that
we
we
can
try
and
bring
this
to
a
conclusion
photo
one
is
one
that
shows
the
site
looking
south
towards
the
front
area
of
the
site
on
cockshots
lane.
This
is
flanked
by
the
post
office
and
the
convenience
store
on
the
left-hand
side,
and
there
are
some
further
small
commercial
shops.
H
Just
coming
into
shop
on
at
the
foreground
there,
which
is,
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
site
next
slide,
please
this
photo
shows
the
frontage
of
the
site
facing
cockshot
lane.
The
bus
stop
immediately
fronting
the
site.
Access
would
be
recited
and
moved
as
part
of
the
development
next
slide.
Please.
H
You've
obviously
got
some
harris
style,
fencing,
that's
been
erected
to
try
and
prevent
further
unauthorized
access
and
fly
tipping
situation
which
has
continued
and
has
actually
increased
in
recent
times,
particularly
during
the
pandemic,
and
something
which
residents
tell
tell
us
is.
It
is
a
constant
problem,
as
do
warp
members
next
slide,
please.
G
H
Road
opposite
the
site,
broadly
looking
east
into
it,
the
electricity
pylon
you
can
see
in
the
background.
You
also
can
see
there
tpo
tree
t10,
which
is
a
hybrid
black
poplar.
It's
just
shown
to
the
left
hand,
side
of
the
access
that's
become
redundant
on
the
site.
You
can
just
see
it
in
between
the
two
cars
there
next
slide,
please.
H
This
slide
shows
a
closer
position
of
that
previous
photo,
showing
the
site
at
the
top
north
corner,
where
the
public
right
away,
which
is
set
in
between
these
two
trees
is,
is
meant
to
follow,
obviously
somewhat
overgrown
and
underused
in
recent
times,
but
there
is
a
right
away
that
runs
between
those
two
trees
down
down
the
crimson
side.
Next
slide,
please,
this
photo
shows
a
sight
view
from
the
opposite
end
of
cockshot
lane
looking
northeast.
H
This
is
the
the
likely
original
public
house
side,
brick
boundary
wall.
We
think
we
can
see
there
just
in
the
right
of
the
hand
side
of
the
of
cockshot
lane
there.
You
can
see
the
also
the
telephone
box
just
beside
it
and
that
runs
the
edge
of
the
site
into
the
corner.
H
Next
slide.
Please
looking
over
that
particular
wall
within
the
site.
This
is
typical
of
the
site
and
it
shows
the
relationship
with
the
adjacent
commercial
premises.
This
particular
one
you
can
see
on
the
right
is
a
hot
food.
Takeaway
next
slide,
please.
H
This
is
the
access
into
that
green
space
area.
I
was
talking
about
earlier,
the
bottom
third
of
the
site,
so
this
photo
is
taken
between
23
and
25.
Cop
shot
drive,
as
as
mentioned,
it's
primarily
a
pedestrian
route,
but
obviously
there
has
been
vehicle
access
historically
with
the
garages,
as
you
can
see,
there's
a
resident
car
there
parked
at
present
next
slide.
Please,
beyond
that
access
into
the
green
space
area.
This
photo
shows
the
typical
condition
of
the
land
currently
found
and
some
evidence
of
residential
incursions
into
the
area.
H
Over
time
there
is
tpo
tree
group
g3,
particularly
hybrid
black,
popular
again
shown
there
in
the
in
the
in
the
photo
as
well.
Next
slide,
please.
H
This
photo
is
broadly
looking
west
towards
cockshot
lane
from
the
green
space
area
and
again
shows
the
general
state
of
overgrowth
next
slide.
Please
this
photo
looks
in
the
opposite
direction.
This
time
towards
the
east,
again,
you
can
see
the
electricity
pile
on
there
in
focus
next
slide,
please
again,
looking
east
within
the
area
of
green
space.
H
This
is
the
bottom
third
of
the
site
towards
the
dwellings
at
the
head
of
copshots
drive
the
claims
public
right
away
that
I
referred
to
earlier.
The
fork
that
is
meant
to
exit
between
these
two
dwellings
has
become
obstructed
and
lost
over
the
years,
but
clearly
there
was
once
a
right
away
through
through
that
area.
H
November
2020
and
shows
the
area
of
green
space,
the
rear
of
25
27
crop
shot.
Laners
you
can
see
in
the
right
of
the
photo.
The
primarily
pedestrian
access
road
is
also
coming
into
view
on
the
right
hand,
side
next
slide
please
this
is.
This
is
a
photo
showing
properties
on
gotz
park,
avenue
on
the
on
the
other
side
of
the
site
boundary
and
shows
the
typical
relationship
the
site
beyond
the
rear
gardens
of
these
semi-detached
properties,
electricity
pilot
again,
in
the
background,
yep
next
slide.
Please
yeah
thanks
toby.
H
This
slide
shows
the
extent
of
the
site
in
the
top
left
corner.
The
red
line
to
the
top
right.
You've
got
a
slide.
You've
got
an
image
showing
that
shows
the
white
area
of
what
we
call
the
developable
land,
which
is
the
unallocated
lands.
That's
the
focus
of
the
residential
development
performance
today.
H
H
This
slide
shows
a
new
access
row
created,
set
in
the
optimum
position,
with
respect
to
sight
lines
onto
cockshot
lane.
It
also
shows
the
11
private
dwellings,
six
of
which
would
front
cockshot
lane
itself
the
further
five
set
facing
each
other
in
the
middle
of
the
development.
H
This
slide
shows
the
three
bed
dwellings,
the
same
house
type
throughout
the
scheme.
The
design
externally
reflects
elements
of
the
original
public
house
that
we
saw
earlier,
namely
with
the
gable
projections
and
the
materials
of
brick
and
render
in
particular
contextually
that
would
relate
well
within
the
existing
street
scene
too.
Certainly,
existing
two-story
housing
stock
that
you
find
on
cockshot
lane
around
the
site,
very
similar
in
design
and
character.
E
H
H
The
accommodation
here
is
additional
communal
areas
for
small
group
settings
to
foster
well-being
and
support
for
one
another
with
specialist
professional
care.
The
applicant
would
build
the
scheme
alongside
the
private
houses,
but
the
accommodation
would
be
managed
by
provider
of
of
the
residential
care
specialist
supported
living
group.
H
The
incoming
residents
would
be
supported,
would
be
to
the
supported
living
would
generally
probably
be
likely
to
have
learning
disabilities
and
such
like
they
have
a
range
of
additional
needs
as
as
such,
such
as
physical,
sensory
impairment,
autism
spectrum
disorders,
just
to
name
some
of
those
typical
characteristics.
H
Ssl,
especially
supported
living
as
I
refer
to
them,
would
expect
to
take
the
residents
working
alongside
well
established
and
recognized
key
partners
in
the
sector.
This
is
expected
to
be
a
registered
provider
such
as
blue
square
housing
association,
a
not-for-profit
social
landlord
and
specialists
in
supported
living.
H
Additionally,
eden
futures,
a
specialist
provider
of
care
services
would
be
involved,
as
they
have
been.
Another
recently
approved,
supported
living
scheme
that
we've
been
dealing
with
in
representatives
stanley.
Both
the
construction
companies,
afghan
and
ssl
are
hopefully
going
to
be
available
for
questions
and
commentary
states.
Should
you
wish
to
ask
anything
further
about
how
that
relationship
would
work?
H
This
slide
shows
the
supported
living
bungalows
with
the
further
communal
space,
providing
additional,
varied
accommodation,
which
is
often
advised
and
preferred,
but
required
by
the
nhs
commissioner
next
slide.
Please,
this
slice
shows
some
sections
of
the
site
taken
in
two
directions:
the
top
bb
is
looking
southeast
from
cockshot
lane
with
the
post
office
and
the
convenience
store
on
the
left
and
further
commercial
properties,
including
the
hot
food
takeaway.
H
On
the
right,
the
bottom
section
a
is
taken
looking
north
east
from
within
site,
the
north,
the
new
dwellings
to
the
left,
the
front
and
cockshot
lane,
and
the
further
pair
of
private
dwellings
are
shown
in
the
middle
of
the
site.
The
apartments
the
supported
limits
scheme
is
shown
on
the
right
hand,
side
next
slide,
please.
H
This
slide
shows
the
position
of
the
development
of
the
trees
and
they
eat
their
rpas,
their
root
protection
areas
plotted.
This
is
a
difficult
site
to
develop.
I
think
it's
fair
to
say,
first
of
all,
without
some
impact
on
existing
tree
stock,
which
is
scattered
to
a
certain
extent,
and
that's
mainly
just
the
history
of
the
site,
the
trees
to
be
lost,
with
the
exception
of
tpo
tree
t3
are
all
category
c
trees.
H
The
agricultural
impact
system
that
we've
got
here
in
front
of
us
has
come
quite
late
in
the
day
and
obviously
this
is
why
it's
a
position
statement
and
we've
only
received
this
at
the
start
of
the
week,
but
hopefully
it
will
allow
for
us
to
continue
the
dialogue
of
protecting
that
tree
t6,
which
is
very
much
in
the
applicant's
desires
as
well
as
our
own,
not
withstanding
any
tree
loss.
Any
tree
loss
on
the
site
on
the
wider
side
is
regrettable
and
replacement
tree
stock,
including
a
number
of
heavy
duty.
H
H
Just
to
give
some
context
to
that
green
space
area,
it's
always
been
an
allocated
piece
of
green
space
within
the
unitary
development
plan
and
site
allocations
plan,
but
certainly
it's
obviously
been
in
private
use
and
the
applicant
who's
only
acquired
the
site
in
more
recent
years
has
obviously
taken
it
on
as
found
it's
previously
over
the
years
decades,
even
been
fairly
unmanaged,
obviously,
is
certainly
accessible
to
a
certain
extent,
but
it
also
has
a
has
become
overgrown,
and
I
would
just
reiterate
that
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
this
plan
here
is
to
you
know,
really
reinvigorate
that
area
and
provide
better
accessible
opportunities
for
all.
H
So
it's
considered
with
some
further
improvements,
changes
to
this
plan
we
can
make
we
can
better
align
the
surfacing
and
the
treatment
of
the
public
rights
away
that
do
exist
through
the
green
space
area
and
also
towards
cockshot
drive.
This
could
be
a
combination
of
surfacing
and
better
way.
Marking
additional
tree
planting
within
the
area
outside
of
the
overhead
cable
zone
is
also
considered
will
improve
the
tree,
stop
locally
and
increase
biodiversity.
H
This
could
be
done
to
further
redirect
some
of
the
biodiversity
debt
gain
requirements
lost
from
the
top
two
first
of
the
site
which
all
parties
recognize
both
the
applicant
and
the
local
authority
and
as
part
of
our
biodiversity
net
gain
requirements.
We've
calculated
that
there
is
a
figure
of
3.13
units
required
to
be
offset
which
would
produce
a
total
of
75
000
pounds
120
for
biodiversity
offsetting
elsewhere
to
be
provided
within
the
army,
ward,
and
this
will
be
secured
as
part
of
the
section
106
agreement.
H
We
have
got
an
update
also
as
part
of
the
an
energy
statement
or
an
emerging
energy
statement
and
the
biodiversity
metric
in
further
details.
If,
if
required,
I
can
quickly
just
run
over,
if
you
don't
mind
chair
on
the
on
the
energy
statement,
the
detailed
bullet
points
of
which
are
as
follows:.
H
The
development
will
be
built,
I'm
using
a
light
gorge
metal
frame
system,
which
is
a
highly
insulated,
modern
method
of
construction
built
to
exceed
the
current
building
regulations
highly
insulated
with
a
very
low
air
leakage
heated
using
high
efficiency,
condensing
combination,
gas
boilers,
high
performance
windows
and
doors
will
be
used
throughout
sanitary
wear
will
have
a
low
water
usage
with
aerated
taps
used
for
out
water
usage
will
be
less
than
125
liters
per
person
per
day.
H
Where
appliances
are
supplied,
they
will
be
a
plus
rated
for
power.
Water
usage.
The
site
is
located
in
a
primary
residential
area.
All
construction
materials
be
locally
sourced.
Wherever
possible,
all
timber
will
be
sustainably
sourced
wherever
possible.
All
contractors
and
tradesmen
will
be
based
locally,
where,
where
possible.
H
So
the
sum
total
of
the
about
the
above
points
will
create,
hopefully,
a
very
efficient
building
with
a
load
carbon
footprint
responsibly
built
using
modern
construction
methods
in
a
sustainable
location
and
chair
we're
confident.
We
can
obviously
provide
further
details
as
part
of
a
conditioned
discharge
to
zoom
in
on
that
detail,
as
we
do
on
a
lot
of
major
applications.
H
A
Thank
you
richard
and,
as
you've
just
reminded
us,
this
is
a
position
statement,
so
we're
not
making
decisions
about
this
today
we
do
have
speakers,
but
before
I
bring
them
in,
are
there
any
questions
to
officers
from
panel
members?
Please.
C
Thanks
chair,
I
well
accepted
the
position
statement,
we're
not
making
any
decisions
today.
Can
we.
C
C
I've
no
real
problems
with
it
at
this
stage,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
specific
detail
rather
than
sort
of
vague
offers.
Thanks
chair.
A
You
you're
talking
councillor
finnegan
about
when
it
comes
back
to
us.
You
want
to
see
that.
A
Yes,
thank
you.
Councillor
campbell.
C
Thank
you.
Can
I
just
ask
a
question
about
the
fourth
pass,
because
there
was
some
discussion
about
that
and
I'm
actually
looking
on
the
leeds
definitive
footpath
map,
which
shows
the
the
footpath
that
runs
down
the
side
of
the
development
as
a
claimed
footpath,
not
an
actual
footpath,
and
there
are
two
other
claimed
footpaths
across
the
site.
C
Would
it
be
the
intention
of
the
council
stroke
developer
to
apply
for
those
to
be
included
in
the
dfinity
footpath
map,
because
I
understand
that
you
can
actually
request
that
it
sort
of
shortcuts
the
process
slightly.
If
you
request
that
as
part
of
the
planning
application.
H
I
can
answer
a
little
bit
on
that
before
I
introduce
the
applicant
agent
chair.
If
you
wish.
H
Okay,
so
yes,
the
toby,
I
think
if
you
could
perhaps
bring
up
slide
47,
perhaps.
H
That's
it
great.
That's
thanks!
So
yeah
we've
discussed
this
in
a
fair
bit
of
detail
with
andrew
cookland
in
the
public
rights
away
team
and
have
you
you're
quite
right
councillor?
It
is.
It
is
certainly
a
claims
route,
but
it
has
been
an
established
route.
H
It's
just
that
along
with
the
site,
has
become
overgrown
and
underused,
and
so
part
of
the
scheme
would
be
to
resurface
and
reintroduce
a
clear
route,
certainly
from
cockshot
lane,
down
to
harmony,
ridge,
road
or
certainly
to
the
to
the
boundary
of
the
site
anyway,
and
hopefully
that
would
be
better
used
in
the
future
through
the
fact
that
it
would
be
resurfaced
and
obviously
you
know
the
overgrowth
you
know
would
be
removed.
H
Clearly,
you
know
one
of
the
forks
that
come
off
that
principle
route
between
the
two
properties
at
the
head
of
the
cul-de-sac
has
been
lost
over
time.
Speaking
of
angela
cookland,
and
the
view
is
that
you
know
it
has.
It
does
seem
looking
like
imagery
that
we've
got,
it
does
seem
to
have
been
screened,
blocked
off
for
a
number
of
years
and
she
her
her
view.
H
Is
that,
as
long
as
we
maintain
that
that
more
important
route
between
number
23
and
25,
and
slightly
longer
of
the
two
forks
she's
happy
that
the
scheme
doesn't
necessarily
need
to
recreate
that
route
into
what
would
be
effectively,
you
know
a
screened
area.
H
So,
yes,
the
applicants
could
ask
answer
the
question
whether
they
could
apply
for
a
definitive
order,
but
the
intention
is
is
to
certainly
resurface
and
provide
better
way
finding
that
that
would
really
reintroduce
those
paths
for
the
benefit
of
all
the
community
and-
and
we
think
that
certainly
the
two
out
of
the
three
are
the
key
ones:
to
make
sure
that
that
provides
permeability
between
certainly
cop
shot,
shot,
lane
and
and
and
stanley
road.
A
D
Yes,
chad,
my
my
question
is
regards
to
the
number
of
trees,
because
all
I've
read
is
that
some
trees
are
tpo's
how
many
and
how
many
would
be
removed.
A
So
so
this
is
a
major
issue
about
the
about
the
application
that
we've
spent
a
lot
of
time.
Pondering
is
sheamus
with
us
richard,
or
does
he
have
to
be
messaged
to
join
us.
A
K
Yes,
good
afternoon
chair,
thank
you
only
specific
trees
that
are
that
are
covered
by
bearing
in
mind
that
it
was
made
26
years
ago,
and
so,
although
the
the
the
site
is
covered
with
trees,
mary
they've
grown
up
since
the
tpo
was
initially
made,
as
I
understand
that
the
obviously
the
older
trees
on
site
are
the
ones
that
would
be
the
original
tpo
and
those
are
the
ones
I
think
have
been
captured
there
on
that
previous
slide.
That
showed
the
existing
trees.
K
It
was
done
as
a
tree
survey,
so
it
still
needs
those
trees
that
will
be
that
are
actually
covered
with
the
tpo,
so
most
of
those
would
unfortunately
being
lost
with
this
layout.
H
H
Yeah,
so
it's
fair
to
say
the
site
obviously
has
become
very
overgrown,
so
it's
really
difficult
to
excuse
the
plants
in
the
woods
from
the
trees
or
the
other
way
around,
but
essentially
you've
got
a
number
of
trees,
scattered
particularly
sort
of
more
where
behind
the
original
public
house,
there
is
a
couple
t1
and
t2
that
we
believe
over
the
years.
Certainly
before
the
applicant's
taken
on
this
site
been
lost,
no
one's
quite
sure.
What's
happened
to
them,
but
obviously
the
survey
does
date
back
a
number
of
years.
H
You've
also
got
some
other
trees,
which
it's
difficult
to
accurately
predict
if
the
sightings
that
you
can
see
on
that
map
there
is
is
fairly
reflective
of
of
the
site,
but
you
can
see
reference
to
t3,
which
is
certainly
where
you've
got
a
a
black,
a
hybrid
black
popular
and
a
sycamore
in
close
proximity
to
one
another.
They
still
exist.
The
groups
g1
and
g2
have
kind
of
become
bit
merged,
with
the
overgrowth
so
very
difficult
to
see
in
reality
from
the
aerials
and
so
on.
H
The
key
trees,
particularly
from
the
tpo
point
of
view
we
feel,
are
t5
t6
and
g3,
the
group
more
towards
the
south
boundary
or
south
corner
southwest
boundary,
they're,
particularly
good
quality,
good
stock,
good
presence.
They
still
exist
very
much
so,
as
does
t4,
but
certainly
that's
the
order,
and
it's
it's
very
difficult
to
really
pinpoint
exactly.
H
A
Thank
you
for
that.
Would
you
like
to
come
back
councillor
hamilton.
A
You
may
be
on
mute,
no
chair,
that's
fine!
Okay,
there
is
one
tree,
seamus
isn't
there
that
will
will
be
very
near
the
current
planned
layout
and
you've
been
looking
as
to
how
that
could
be
preserved.
Do
you
want
to
say
a
word
or
two
about
that
now
as
we're
on
trees,.
K
Sir,
that's
the
tm
6,
which
is
on
the
southern
boundary
there
and
which
again
is
a
native
black
popular
and
it's
been
categorized
as
a
high
b
category,
which
means
it's
fairly
good
condition
a
healthy
tree
which
has
got
some
future
to
it
in
terms
of
years.
This
is
by
the
independent
tree
survey.
That's
been
submitted,
so
it's
good
for
another
20
30
years
minimum
in
terms
of
lifespan
of
the
trade.
K
Unfortunately,
you
know
it
is
tricky
with
the
current
layout.
Yes,
that
one
there
at
the
very
bottom,
which
is,
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
it's
blue,
a
blue
ring.
K
Yes,
we
can
see
that
sheamus
down
to
the
bottom.
There
I
don't
know
where
the
pointer
is
but
blue
is
in
the
british
standard
means
calgary
b
and
the
others.
You
can
see,
there's
a
few
category
b,
trees
scattered
about,
but
the
gray
ones
are
category
c
which
are
still
viable
trees,
but
not
of
any
special
quality
and
the
tr.
The
trouble
with
that
is
whatever
you
do
with
this
layout
you're
going
to
be
very
close
to
that
tree.
K
If
you
could
physically
avoid
damaging
it
by
the
construction
of
the
development,
you've
still
got
the
problem
of
proximity,
and
you
know
if
the
tree's
going
to
grow
for
another
20
or
30
years,
then
it
needs
the
space
in
which
to
do
that
without
conflicting
and
compromising
the
the
the
the
residential
units.
K
K
So
if
that
tree
was
degrading
safely
and
sustainably,
it
would
need
a
lot
more
space
around
it
to
the
life
of
the
future
and
sharing
and
all
the
rest.
So
there
could
be
some
manipulation
of
the
site
layout
to
to
create
that
by
maybe
swapping
around
those
two
bottom
dwellings
there.
For
example,
these
are
judgments
knowing
to
be
way
weighed
up
in
the
mix
or
whether
that
this
achieving
this
layout
is
more
important
and
that
we
can
get
mitigation
somewhere
else,
and
that's
that's.
What
has
to
be
played
with
now
at
the
moment.
A
B
Thank
you
chair,
so
I'm
I'm
looking
at
I'm
looking
at
slide,
64.
B
as
as
given
to
us
in
the
packs,
just
just
so
so
everyone's
on
the
same
page
as
it
were
so
t3,
the
the
root
protection
is
shown
shaded,
but
then
in
the
area
of
the
root
protection,
there's
a
car
parking
space
and
it
it
looks
to
me
as
though
the
the
car
parking
will
go
right
up
to
the
very
edge
of
of
the
the
trunk
there.
B
So
that's
a
concern
on
on
a
previous
on
a
previous
slide
as
well.
That
was
that
was
showing
the
the
tpos
from
the
the
1990s
it.
It
seems
to
me
that
t1
and
t2
are
shown
on
those
tpo
plans.
B
They
seem
to
correlate
with
with
those
plans
so
and
yet
they're
they're
shown
as
trees
to
be
removed.
Here.
B
K
I
think
it
was
teeth,
basically,
there's
no
trees
that
would
be
retained,
tp
or
otherwise,
except
the
only
chance
we
have
is
with
that
lower.
You
know
bottom
right
corner
where
there's
g3,
t6
and
t5
the
rest
of
the
trees,
they're,
t3
and
t4,
quite
rightly,
a
proximity
to
development,
that's
more
like
it
there
and
that's
really
the
trees
and
red
there
will
all
be
lost,
obviously
to
development
and
the
other
ones
are
being
built
on.
You
know
the
building
is
too
close
to
these
trees.
There's
no
way
they
ca
and
car
parking.
K
K
Is
it
two
five
six
in
that
group
of
g3
one
down
there,
so
there's
some
chance
that
that
they
could
be
retained,
but,
yes,
the
others
will
be
gone.
That's
not
to
mention
all
the
natural
regeneration.
That's
taken
part
place
on
the
site,
so
we're
only
talking
about
tpos
here.
The
other
material
will,
of
course,
be
lost
as
well,
but
that
there
will
be
accounted
for
in
terms
of
biodiversity
calculations
for
the
site.
A
B
Yeah,
that's
clear,
I
suppose
I
suppose
the
most
obvious
next
question
then
is
can
can
site
be
rejigged
to
save
them.
K
I
wouldn't
say
with
the
current
density:
I
don't
think
there's
any
chance
of
saving
those
most
of
those.
No,
they
would
have
to
stay
red.
The
only
one
is
that
in
the
bottom
right
hand,
corner
they're,
t6,
there's
possibility
that
that
could
be
retained
with
some
adjustments,
but
to
really
save
any
more
than
this,
we
were
talking
about
reducing
the
density
of
the
ski
to
accommodate
retention
of
trees.
It
just
wouldn't
be
feasible
with
tinkering
around
the
numbers
that
we've
got
here.
I
don't
think
that
could
be
achieved.
A
Could
you
just
talk
us
through
and
I
will
I
will
come
to
these
speakers
in
a
moment,
but
it
they're
we're
still
on
questions
and
they're
quite
valid
questions.
Could
could
you
just
talk
us
through
the
plans
again
for
that
piece
of
green
space
that
is
going
to
be
retained,
which
will
have
substantial
planting
put
on
it?
I
H
Just
just
quickly
on,
on
the
previous
point,
yeah
that
the
t,
trees,
t1
and
t2
seem
to
have
been
lost
over
the
years.
They
were
a
silver
birch
and
a
rowan
quite
small
in
size,
but
certainly
the
tree
survey
hasn't
picked
up
on
them
and
you
know
we're
not
quite
sure,
what's
happening,
but
you
know
they.
They
seem
to
have
been
lost
for
a
number
of
years,
when
we've
looked
at
historical
mapping,
photos
etc,
but
the
trees
that
do
remain
yes,
you're
right,
we
tried
to
retain
tree
free.
H
If
we
could,
where
that
parking
court
is,
I
don't
know
toby
if
you
could
bring
up
slide
69
again,
if
you
don't
mind.
H
Thanks
so
yeah
t3,
where
the
parking
court
is
in
between
the
apartments
and
then
the
two
semi's
attached
dwellings,
the
intention
is,
was
to
try
and
keep
that
that
that
particular
tree
small
sycamore,
but
I
think
in
reality
it's
going
to
be
impossible.
H
So
you
know
we
try
to
be
honest,
you
know
with
what
trees
do
need
to
come
out
and,
and
certainly,
as
you
can
see
in
that
middle
part
of
the
site,
whether
it's
the
trees
that
have
been
previously
lost,
t1
t2
of
the
previous
tpo
or
t10
t3,
it's
very
difficult
to
develop
any
meaningful
site
without
having
some
sort
of
impact.
So
that's
why,
in
the
landscape
plan,
if
toby
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
we've
tried
to
maximize
replanting.
H
Although
you
can
see
in
that
landscaped
area
of
the
green
space,
we've
got
some
some
some
feathered
type
trees
shown
where
we
we
want
to
continue
discussions
with
the
applicants
about
getting
some
more
heavy-duty
trees
in
that
area,
obviously
not
not
within
the
10
meter,
cable,
electrical
cable
zone,
but
certainly
some
you
know,
there's
scope
to
put
some
more
trees
within
that
particular
green
space
area.
H
As
well
as
obviously
what
you
can
see
there
on
that
landscape
scheme
with
all
the
new
tree
planting
that
you
can
see
in
the
slightly
darker
bolder
black
circular
lines,
particularly
around
the
access
road
and
at
the
front
of
the
development,
and
so
yes,
you
know
density
wise,
we
could
reduce
the
density.
Further,
I
mean
we've
tried
to
strike
a
balance
between.
H
You
know
achieving
something
that
that
you
know
hopefully
retains
the
best
of
the
of
the
trees
on
site,
but
has
a
meaningful
layout
that
works
for
highways
as
well
as
obviously
relationships
and
neighbors,
and
then
we
have
obviously
lost
some
some
trees.
There's
always
a
regret,
but
you
know
we
have
got
the
green
space
in
this
space
around
the
site.
To
put
you
know
some
decent
plants
in
it,
and
hopefully
that's
what
that
plan
shows
chair.
A
D
Time
to
go
back
to
us
shameless
with
regards
to
the
trees
that
gonna
be
retained.
I
know
you
mentioned
about
looking
at
rion,
tating,
the
building
etc,
but
these
roots
are
gonna,
continue
growing
out
there
and
then
they're
gonna
end
up
having
subsidence
to
the
building
or
well.
The
car
park
is
the
car
park
is
a
car
park.
So
but
sorry
about
that,
I
don't
know
why
that
come
on
yeah.
D
So
just
asking
these
trees,
the
roots,
are
going
to
continue
out
there
and
then
they're
going
to
be
subsidence.
I
just
wanted
to
know
if
they're
going
to
continue
growing
because
keeping
them
there
near
the
houses
is
going
to
cause
some
issues,
seamus.
K
Yes,
terry,
thank
you
yeah.
So
it's
a
very
comment
there
and
normally.
What
I
would
say
was
that
is
this:
that
subsidence
caused
by
trees
is
a
bit
of
a
myth
in
lots
of
respects.
K
So
if
you
imagine
the
clay,
the
ground
that
supports
the
foundation
of
a
house
if
it
dries
out
and
shrinks,
it
creates
a
gap
between
the
foundation
of
a
building
and
the
bed
that
it
sits
on.
If
you
can
imagine
that
and
therefore
the
foundations
would
sink
and
cause
cracks
and
that's
what
the
substance
a
brief
description
of
what
it
is
now
in
leeds.
There
is
virtually
no
shrinkable
clay
in
leeds.
It
doesn't
really
exist,
except
in
some
very
small
pockets.
K
So
it's
highly
unlikely
unless
somebody,
unless
there's
test,
takes
to
prove
it
that
this
is
an
exception
and
if
there's
clay,
that's
shrinkable,
not
just
clay,
but
it's
particular
type.
Then
this
type
of
threat
undermining
buildings
would
not
exist.
K
So
there's
never
any
chance
of
tree
of
buildings
subsiding
due
to
water
loss
in
the
soil,
but
you're
quite
right.
These
trees,
as
I
mentioned
there,
are
good
for
another
30
years
plus,
possibly,
and
they
are
going
to
grow
and
the
root
systems
are
going
to
grow.
K
And
that's
why
I'm
saying
that
it's
challenging
with
the
current
density
to
retain
those
trees,
even
down
the
corner,
due
to
the
space
that
you
ought
to
leave
around
trees
of
this
nature
as
a
good
practice
and
poplars
being
one
of
the
more
challenging,
and
it
can
be
quite
a
big
tree
and
all
the
shading
and
root
systems
and
everything
else.
With
close
proximity
is
a
bad
idea,
we're
only
storing
up
conflict
for
the
future,
even
if
we
could
physically
fit
it
in.
K
A
B
Thanks
chair,
I've
got
I've
got
one
more
question
on
trees,
but
then
I've
got
I've
got
additional
questions
on
on
the
development
itself.
So
I'd
just
like
to
flag
that
up.
If
you
were
wanting
to
move
on
after
that,
so
yeah
what
you
you
mentioned,
feathered
feathered
trees,
but
like
I've
got,
I've
got
absolutely
no
idea.
What
that
means.
Have
you
got?
Have
you
got
some
examples
of
what
that
is
and
are?
B
Would
they
be
sort
of
british
trees
to
to
add
to
the
bio,
bio
biodiversity
in
the
area.
K
A
feather
tree
is
basically
a
bit
of
a
whip
and
you
might
say,
what's
what's
a
whip,
but
it's
a
long
stick
tag
tree
and
you
know,
would
only
be
some
millimeters
wide.
It's
not
a
tree
with
a
stake
with
a
clear
stem
and
a
canopy,
a
certain
parkland
tree
that
you
see
everywhere
it's
more
of
a
lighter
sort
of
stick
with
branches
on
it
and
that's
where
the
term
feather
comes
from
and
that's
the
difference
between
a
whip
and
a
feather.
K
A
whip
is
literally
a
long
stick
which
could
be
up
to
you
know:
1.5
1.8
meters
tall,
but
this
is
just
a
stick
and
if
you
look
at
more
forestry
trade
planting,
that's
more
the
style
of
planting.
That's
done!
K
Not
your
standard
trees,
if
you
like,
with
the
monica
clear
stem
with
a
timber
post
and
tie
and
a
sort
of
very
well
trained,
canopy
they're,
much
more
informal
type,
planting
lower
budget
planting,
but
what
have
their
benefits,
but
the
the
disadvantage
is,
of
course,
they're
very,
very
vulnerable
in
a
public
area
and
can
be
snapped
and
vandalized
and
very
very
easily.
K
K
So
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
to
come
up
with
the
green
space
design
for
that
area
has
a
long
way
to
go.
It
is
the
bottom
of
the
range
at
the
moment,
but
I'm
sure
the
applicant
is
willing
to
to
work
and
coming
up
with
something
a
bit
more
meaningful
than
that.
Also
we
have
to
think
about
community
space
for
the
new
residents.
K
Is
this
going
to
play
a
part
and
they'd
be
a
fantastic
opportunity
for
them?
Could
they
go
for
a
walk
in
there?
A
circular
walk.
You
know
that
that
type
of
thing
makes
some
use
out
of
it
for
them
as
well,
so
it
could
as
well
as
accommodate
the
public
right
away,
but
these
must
be
dda
compliant
for
paths
and
not
in
the
type
of
path,
the
mod
path
that
it
wouldn't
be
appropriate
in
a
situation
like
that.
So,
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
do
on
that,
but
it's
got
some
potential.
K
It
could
even
go
as
far
as
having
a
seat
a
destination
within
it,
but
that
needs
discussion
as
well,
and
surveillance
is
an
issue
and
it
would
have
been
great
if
some
of
these
dwellings
could
have
faced
alton,
because
basically
we're
building
more
and
more
backyards
around
this
green
space
and
and
the
sense
of
surveillance
is
not
as
strong.
There
will
be
even
less,
maybe
in
this
development,
which
turns
its
back
on
it
or
turns
aside
on
it.
A
Thank
you
that's
helpful
councillor
brooks.
Would
the
remainder
of
your
questions
benefit
from
the
applicants
representatives
being
able
to
answer
them
as
well?
I'm
suggesting
that
we
have
the
speakers
next
and
then
you,
you,
ask
those
questions.
Yeah.
A
Okay,
lovely
so
we
have
with
us
representing
the
applicant
roger
lee
chris
musson,
andy
brooke,
mick
dunbar,
keely
dunbar.
You
do
have
between
you
four
minutes.
Speakers
have
you
decided
who's
going
to
deliver
the
speaking.
A
Richard
do
we
have
the
speakers
with
us
yeah.
I.
H
A
That's
fine,
then
roger
so
yeah.
I've
just
stated:
you've
got
up
to
four
minutes
and
please
start
in
your
own
time.
F
Thanks,
I
don't
think
I'll
need
four
minutes
to
be
honest
and
listening
to
what's
being
said,
richard
has
also
summarized
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we've
discussed.
We
are
on
revision
m
on
our
layout
now.
So
I
think
that
is
clear
that
we
have
been
involved
in
quite
a
lot
of
discussion
and
amendments
to
this
scheme
to
try
and
meet
with
issues
that
have
been
raised
along
the
way.
F
Obviously,
the
application
has
been
in
for
considerable
amount
of
time
as
well,
and
that's
how
we've
arrived
at
the
layout
we
have
done,
and
we
are
obviously
trying
to
find
a
balance
between
delivering
a
development
both
for
private
housing
and
also
for
the
supported
living
housing
and
retain
the
important
elements
of
the
environment
and
the
trees.
F
As
we
see
it,
and
I
think,
as
we've
discussed
with
the
offices
of
the
council,
and
also
providing
a
much
more
meaningful
area
of
green
space
on
the
adjacent
land
that
the
applicant
controls
and
our
position
just
on
the
trees
is
that
we
are
intending
and
we
do
want
to
keep
tree
t6
and
also
t3.
F
I
think
richard's
also
pointed
out-
and
that
is
correct-
that
some
of
the
trees
within
the
site
have
already
been
lost
and
were
lost.
You
know
before
the
before
the
applicant
purchased
the
land,
that's
t1
and
t2,
and
we
will
look
amending
the
scheme
further
and
how
we
can
do
that
to
keep
t6.
F
It
is
a
bit
of
a
balancing
exercise
on
t6,
because
we
did
come
under
a
lot
of
pressure
in
summer
last
year
from
an
owner
of
an
adjacent
property
immediately
to
the
south
that
she
felt
that
the
tree
was
in
a
dangerous
condition,
condition
there
had
been
high
winds
over
a
weekend.
There'd
been
a
children's
party
and
there
was
concern
about
the
possibility
of
that
tree,
causing
some
damage
and
safety
issues
to
that
property.
F
But
we
have
to
say
we
are
keen
to
keep
it
anyway
and
that's
always
been
the
position
and
the
view
from
our
agriculturist
is
that
the
tree
is
healthy
and
stable
and
capable
of
being
retained,
and
we
will
also
look
at
some
more
heavy
duty
planting.
Instead
of
the
feathered
planting,
that's
been
discussed
as
well
the
aim
being
to
try
and
come
to
an
agreement
as
quickly
as
we
can
and
deliver
this
development
as
quickly
as
we
can.
A
B
Brooks
yeah
yeah.
I
I'm
pleased
to
see
that
there's
social
spaces
in
the
in
the
building
for
older
people
assisted
living,
but
for
the
disabled
people
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
one.
I
was
just
wondering
why
that
was.
H
I
can
start
off,
but
obviously
chair,
we've
got
chris
musson
who's,
probably
best
place
to
answer
any
of
the
detailed
in
thank
you
term,
layout,
design
issues
etc.
That's
okay,.
H
So
toby,
if
you
could
possibly
go
to
slide
66,
that's
possible.
That
shows
the
apartment
block.
H
H
Okay,
so
I
mean
first,
first
and
foremost,
it's
worth.
G
H
That
all
the
units
are
designed
to
accessible
standards
lifetime
homes-
you
know
they're
all,
as
you
can
see
there
on
the
plan.
They're
all
designed
with
wheelchair
access
in
mind,
there's
a
lift
between
the
two
floors.
That
will
mean
that
each
resident
has
you
know
an
accessible
unit
and
obviously
the
bungalows
are
designed
the
same
dimensions.
Configurations
for
wheelchair
use.
H
You
do
have
an
area
on
the
on
the
apartments
you
can
see
in
the
bottom
left.
That's
a
communal
space.
You
know.
Yes,
it's
more
of
a
sort
of
a
large
sort
of
entrance
lobby
area,
but
you
know
it
could
be
flexibly
used.
We
feel
you've
also
got
in
the
bungalows.
You
know
it's
all
part
of
one
supported
living
development.
You've
also
got
a
communal
room
there.
H
So
hopefully
there's
there's
two
opportunities
for
you
know
communal
meeting
areas
as
well
as
obviously
the
external
green
space
that
it
will
look
onto,
and
obviously
there
is
some
private
means
to
space
as
well
around
the
perimeters
of
both
the
apartments
and
the
and
the
bungalows.
H
So
I
think
there
are
opportunities
you
you
probably
noticed
as
well.
There
is
some
staff
facilities
and
chris
might
be
to
explain
a
bit
more
whether
some
of
those
staff
facilities,
particularly
on
the
first
floor
in
the
bottom
left
corner
of
the
first
floor,
whether
that
room
could
be
flexibly
used
for
communal
activity
for
for
residents
so
I'll
hand
over
to
chris.
If
that's
okay,
chair.
L
Everyone,
the
the
apartments
just
just
so
you
understand
they
are
for
individuals
who
may
or
may
not
want
to
have
some
sort
of
communal
space
may
want
to
use.
It
may
never
use
it.
L
This
is
all
for
folk
who
may
currently
be
in
a
registered
setting,
maybe
some
sort
of
a
care
home
who,
at
the
minute
are
being
told
or
advised
when
they
might
be
getting
their
cups
of
teas
and
their
meals
in
the
day
into
their
own
home,
where
they
are
doing
what
they
would
like
when
they
would
like.
So
it
may
be
that
they
would
use
these
communal
areas.
L
It
may
be
that
they
wouldn't
it
may
be
that
they
will
have
friends
there
and,
unlike
the
rest
of
us,
they
would
go
into
their
into
their
friend's
apartment
to
have
a
chat
with
them
or
watch
the
telly
rather
than
a
communal
area.
One
of
those
is
a
communal
area.
The
other.
The
other
area
is
a
staff
service
area.
L
Now,
with
regard
to
the
bungalows,
it's
probably
wrong
for
them
to
be
assumed
to
be
for
older
people,
they
will
be
for
people
who
may
have
a
physical
disability,
but
also
other
challenging
needs.
You
know,
autism
spectrum
learning,
disabilities
or
whatever,
that
might
be.
They
are
probably
less
likely
to
need
communal
space.
They
will
have
their
own
sort
of
outside
areas
on
those
bungalows,
but
yeah
they're,
not
really
for
they're,
not
they're,
not
really
targeted
at
a
an
aged
plant
group.
A
Thank
you
for
thank
you
for
doing
so
councillor
brooks.
Do
you
want
to
ask
anything
further
on
that.
B
Yeah,
no,
it's
yeah,
I
would
just.
I
was
just
as
a
bit
puzzled
as
to
why
this
there's
that
sort
of
you
know
like
a
common
room.
It's
it's!
It's
labeled
on
67
as
a
common
room
and
then
and
then
on.
You
know
it's
just
communal
space.
So
it's
not
it's
not
sort
of
equitable,
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
there
was
a
reason
for
that.
L
Okay
right,
the
the
space
on
the
bungalows
is
actually
more
likely
to
be
for
staff.
It
may
well
be
in
practice
that
that
people
come
from
those
bungalows
and
may
go
in
there,
but
it
might.
It
might
be
more
used
for
that
individual
to
meet.
Maybe
a
someone
from
the
local
authority,
maybe
a
social
care
professional
or
something
like
that,
so
they
can
have
meetings
outside
of
their
own
home.
If
you
know
what
I
mean.
L
There
is
a
so
it
the
one
on
the
bungalows:
it's
not
really
a
communal
area.
It's
gonna,
be
it's
a
remember.
It's
only
for
four
people
as
well
with
four
bungalows,
all
single
occupancy,
so
it
may
be
used
by
those
individuals,
but
it's
an
area
that
will
be
used
for
staff
as
well
and
for
those
sorts
of
meetings.
So
people
don't
have
to
have
them
in
their
own
home
the
communal
area
again
in
the
apartments
it's
there,
because
people
may
want
to
see
other
people
or
other
professionals
or
outside
of
their
own
home.
L
It's
in
many
senses.
A
communal
area
for
a
supported
living
scheme
are
are
requested
by
their
loved
ones,
who
think
they're
going
to
go
from
a
registered
support,
sometimes
and
then
go
into
their
own
home,
their
own
front
door
and
be
very,
very
lonely,
so
they're
putting
as
much
to
cater
for
that
scenario
as
anything
else,
it's
not
a
proven
thing
with
supportive
living
that
those
communal
spaces
always
get
used
like
they
might
do
in
an
older
person's
setting.
It's
it's
it's
a
piece
of
space
which
may
be
used.
L
It
may
not
be,
but
it's
certainly
not
as
key
to
a
development
as
as
it
would
be
say
for
an
older
person's
home
or
or
older
person
scheme
of
some
nature,
so
that
they're
not
equitable
you're
right,
but
they
serve
different
purposes.
They're
not
does
that
help.
A
E
Just
to
go
further
with
that
point,
I
know
we
we
we've
addressed
that,
but
it's
clear,
isn't
it,
and
during
pandemic
times
it's
more
about
isolation
of
people
with
special
needs
and
with
the
artistic
spectrums
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
got
spaces
for
to
to
deter
isolation,
and
I
would
like
to
think
that
the
developer
is
making
a
provision
for
communal
space
so
that
we
can
have
more
activity
between
the
residents
in
those
blocks.
So
I
would
I
would
you
know,
I
think
we
need.
A
Very
fair
point:
denise.
Thank
you.
We'll
make
a
note
of
that.
I
can't
see
any
more
hands
at
the
moment.
So
could
I
draw
your
attention
to
the
bullet
points
on
page
48
of
your
papers?
Please,
and
these
are
the
areas
that
we
are
being
requested
to
consider
as
part
of
this
position
statement.
A
A
So
we
we
have
discussed
the
trees
and
we
have
discussed
the
adjacent
green
space
and
the
additional
planting.
We've
also
discussed
the
fact
that
looking
at
different
layouts
for
the
development
or
making
it
less
intensive,
may
be
kinder
to
the
environment
and
enabled
saving
more
of
the
tree.
So
those
are
the
issues
that
have
cropped
up
in
the
discussion.
A
Could
I
have
any
views
that
people
want
to
express
on
that
councillor
reagan.
Have
you
put
your
hand
up
again
or
is
that
a
historic
hand.
C
No,
I
agree
with
what
you've
support
what
you
said.
Chad.
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
point
on
bullet
point
four:
when
we
get
there.
A
Okay,
fine,
any
more
points
on
the
first
bullet
point.
So
are
we
saying
that
we
we
would
still
like
the
developer
to
cons,
consider
a
reconfiguration
of
the
of
the
layout
and
consider
if
they
could
save
more
trees
and
that
we
would
want
substantial
further
planting
in
the
green
space.
Part
is:
are
people
happy
with
that?
Just
yes,
okay,
move
on
to
the
next
one,
so
subject
to
further
verbal
information
for
the
conclusions
of
the
agricultural
impact
assessment
being
presented
at
panel
members,
views
on
the
layout
and
tree
protection
are
requested.
A
B
Sorry,
sorry,
now
the
I
mean
I,
I
asked
that
question
as
to
whether
it
could
be
reconfigured
and
it
was
stated
that
it
was
in
the
m,
like
whatever
the
m
f
number
is
so
I
mean,
and-
and
there
was
there
was
quite
a
lot
of
discussion
as
to
I
mean
from
from
the
the
planners
and
developers
stating
that
they'd
already
considered
different
configurations
and
other
configurations
wouldn't
comply
with
highways.
If
that's
correct
would.
A
You
like
to
clarify
that
please,
representatives
of
the
applicant.
F
F
What
I
was
saying
when
I
said
m
just
for
clarification
is
obviously
when
we
start
off
with
the
site
layout.
We
start
off
with
a
without
a
without
a
revision
to
it
when
we
start
from
revision,
a
b
c
d,
etc.
So
what
I
was
saying
is
we,
it
wasn't
a
pedantic
point.
It
was
more
a
point
that
were
revision
m
as
a
way
of
demonstrating
that
there
has
been
a
lot
of
dialogue
and
a
lot
of
touring
and
throwing
with
the
layout.
F
A
Thank
you
very
much
indeed,
and
then,
if
I
draw
your
attention
to
bullet
point
three
subject
to
more
conclusions
of
the
biodiversity
metric
calculations,
members
views
on
the
biodiversity
offer
are
requested.
Our
members
content
with
the
proposals
that
the
application
in
respect
of
the
biodiversity
to
be
supported
in
its
current
form,
any
comments
on
that
one
calling
your
hands
up
is
this
yours
that
you
wanted
to
comment
on?
A
No,
I'm
the
next
one,
okay,
any
anybody
else
want
to
comment
on
that.
I've
got
councillor
ray.
B
I'll
briefly
comment
here
in
danger
of
over
dominating
the
the
panel
at
this
point,
but
the
I
mean
the
the
the
tree,
the
the
whips.
Basically,
the
feathers
that
are
proposed,
in
my
view,
won't
do
a
whole
lot
in
terms
of
increasing
the
bio
biodiversity.
C
Yes,
can
I
just
touch
on
something
that
nobody's
raised
so
far?
That's
actually
the
design
of
the
building.
C
I
appreciate
the
drawings
they're
a
bit
small
for
us
to
look
at,
but
if,
if
I'm
honest
with
you,
they
look
a
little
uninspired
to
me
and
I
do
think
that
if
the
developers
are
going
away
to
look
at
the
layout
which
they
obviously
are,
could
they
also
look
at
the
design
and
try
and
make
it
a
little
bit
more,
a
little
less
mundane.
A
Thank
you.
Would
the
applicant's
representatives
like
to
comment
on
that.
F
I
think
we're
we're
showing
a
willingness
to
to
revisit
certain
aspects
of
the
development
and
particularly
the
environmental
landscape,
related
ones.
I've
not
heard
anything
from
anybody.
I
appreciate
what
the
council
is
saying,
but
we
have
been
through
the
design
again
coming
back
to
revision
numbers.
F
We
have
met
with
the
council's
design
officer
previously
and
amended
the
scheme
to
satisfy
those
requirements.
I
I
don't
share
the
view
that
it's
a
mundane
design.
A
I
think
as
well
you
know,
possibly
you
haven't
given
us
quite
enough
information
on
that
aspect.
As
colin
said,
the
drawings
are
quite
small,
so
if
we
perhaps
if
we
had
a
larger
or
more
accurate
understanding
of
what
that
design
looked
like,
we
might
have
been
in
a
better
position.
H
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think
it
you
know,
roger's
right,
he's
he's
put
it
well,
is
that
it
has
been
in
for
a
long
time,
and
I
think
it
it.
It
reflects
the
fact
it's
not
the
easiest
site
to
develop,
but
it's
got
an
awful
lot
of
positives
for
this
development.
In
terms
of
providing
you
know,
social
housing
for
supported
vulnerable
groups.
It
obviously
reopens
up
the
green
space
and
creates
an
area
that
all
the
community
can
use,
not
just
those
on
site
which
currently
is
unsafe
or
unsatisfactory
to
use.
H
It
removes
problems
such
as
current
situation.
We've
got
with
a
lot
of
fly,
tipping
and
anti-social,
behavior,
quad,
bikes,
trespassing
bonfires,
you
name
it.
It's
a
it's
a
problem
for
the
applicant
to
to
maintain.
So
we've
tried
to
we've
tried
to
work
with
the
the
applicants
and,
yes,
it
has
taken
a
while,
but
clearly
you
know
they've
been
keen
to
listen
to
obviously
design
changes
and
they've
they've
taken
them
on
board.
So
I
think
designs
progressed.
H
Well,
I
you
know,
I
don't
know
if,
if
andy
brooke
who's,
the
architect
wants
to
say
anymore,
whether
he
could
produce
some
some
some
sort
of
finer
detail
or
better
scale
drawings
that
would
show
you
know
the
detail
that
I
think
is
is
coming
through.
I
mean
I
I
I
personally.
I
think
it
reflects
a
lot
the
history
of
the
site
and
the
you
know
the
surrounding
context,
but
you
know
whether
andy
can
elaborate
any
further
on
anything.
He
could
do
additionally
I'll
hand
over
to
him.
L
L
Yeah
well
regarding
the
design.
What
I
would
say
is
that
the
scheme
was
in
designed
to
be
in
a
reconstituted
stone
up
to
about
a
week
and
a
half
ago
when
it
was
asked,
if
we
could
change
it
to
a
red,
brick
we'd
always
felt
that
in
reconstituted
stone
as
a
standalone
scheme,
it
would
stand
out
and
stand
out
with
something
maybe
a
little
bit
more
quality.
L
So
it
was
requested
and
we'd
very,
very,
very
quickly
changed
it
to
a
red
brick
scheme
to
try
and
hit
it
for
this
meeting.
We
will
have
a
look
and
see
what
we
can
do
in
in
terms
of
design
and
something
that
might
lift
it
slightly,
but
I
think
in
in
general
terms
with
roger
I
I
don't
think
it's
it's
that
dull,
but
you
know
we
will
obviously
look
at
it
as
we've
we've
taken
on
board
comments
all
the
way
through
this
process,
yeah.
A
I
mean
I
would
be
happy
to
to
meet
with
you.
A
A
Yeah,
okay!
Well
I
I
mean
if
panel
members
are
happy,
I
I'm
willing
to
to
have
a
chairs
brief
around
that
with
the
material
with
richard
in
between
meetings
to
see
where
we
are
with
that
to
see.
What's
going
to
come
and
be
put
in
front
of
you
again
if
you're
happy
with
that
panel,
yeah,
okay,
so
have
you
have
you
got
enough
of
a
steer
richard
from.
C
C
C
C
Colin,
your
hands
up
again,
I'm
sorry
to
labour.
This
point
chair.
Well,
I'm
not
sorry
to
love
at
this
point
because
actually,
I
think
integral
within
any
application
is
good
design.
Isn't
it
yes
and
being
told
that
last
week
it
was
reconstituted
this
week,
it's
red
brick.
It
does
explain
a
lot
in
particular
in
relation
to
some
of
these,
some
of
the
block
units
or
the
or
the
bungalow
sections.
C
When
you
were
talking
about
saying
how
it
reflects
the
original
building
on
site,
I
had
a
look
at
the
the
photography,
kindly
centers
of
the
original
building.
If
you
look
at
that,
and
these
members
have
got
it
in
front
of
them,
there's
a
lot
of
articulated
detail
in
that
particular
building.
And
now
I'm
not
expecting
you
to
recreate
the
pull.
C
But
I
do
look
at
some
of
these
drawings
and
there's
a
huge
area
of
red
brick
on
a
lot
of
them,
which
is
broken
up
by
what
looks
like
a
course
of
alternative
brickwork,
and
I
have
to
say
to
you
chair
that
if
it
comes
back
like
this,
then
I
will
be
creating
more
of
an
issue
in
relation
to
it
when
it
comes
back,
because
I
I
think
this
this
position
for
statement
fault
of
that
word
or
pre-app,
or
what
we're
calling
it
is
where
we
have
to
say
to
to
developers.
C
Yes,
we're
quite
happy
with
the
principle
of
development,
but
we're
talking
about
detail
and
we're
talking
about
good
quality
design
yeah
at
the
moment.
I
don't
think
this
is
a
good
quality
design.
There's
vast
areas
of
roofscape
unbroken
by
anything
huge
red,
brick
walls.
C
You
know
it
that
the
pub
had
the
old
pullback
character,
this
art
type
character
too,.
A
Yeah
I
mean
just
from
personal
experience:
councillor
hazlewood
and
myself
do
have
a
supported
living
scheme
in
our
ward
and,
as
richard
knows,
we're
looking
at
the
at
the
moment
at
the
development
of
a
second
one
in
a
different
part
of
the
ward
and
as
ward
councillors,
we
have
had
very
very
close
discussions
with
richard
and
others
around
what
is
going
to
be
in
our
ward.
We
welcome
the
scheme
with
open
arms.
A
We
have
had
a
lot
of
intricate
discussion
about
design
about
layout,
about
security,
about
material
for
boundaries
etc,
and
I
would
expect
the
ward
members
to
be
having
that
detailed
discussion.
So
I'm
assuming
richard
that
army
ward
members
will
be
involved
at
that
level
before
this
application
returns
to
us.
H
Yes,
we
can
certainly
update
them.
You
know
they've
been
involved
throughout
and
and
obviously
I'm
happy
to
have
another
discussion
with
them,
as
as
as
we
go
forward
with
the
design,
that's
yeah.
A
The
other
observation,
while
we're
still
at
this
position
statement
with
regard
to
our
personal
experience
of
having
developments
like
this
in
the
ward,
is
that
the
the
the
one
that
is
currently
now
fully
occupied
and
has
been
there
for
some
time.
We
clearly
know
the
residents
in
there.
A
So
I
would,
as
a
counselor,
welcome
the
kind
of
space
where
I
could
meet
with
the
resident
or
or
residents
outside
their
actual
home
boundary,
because
I
think
residents
with
those
kind
of
needs
need
very
specific
adaptations
to
their
interiors
and
I
I
just
feel
it
can
be
a
bit
intrusive
to
for
the
only
place
to
see
them
to
be
in
there
in
their
home.
So
I
would.
I
would
advocate
additional
space
like
that.
A
Personally,
okay,
I
think
I
think
we've
probably
gone
as
far
as
we
can
with
that
discussion,
and
I
thank
you
all
for
your
contributions.
A
I
will
I
will
organize
richard
if
you
wouldn't
mind
doing
the
logistics
for
me
a
further
briefing
when
we're
in
a
position
to
look
in
more
detail
at
the
design,
and
I
would
also
be
happy
to
join
ward
members
if
they
were
having
a
meeting
in
a
similar
way
that
that
bramley
world
members
have
met
just
in
simply
to
to
listen
and
take
note
of
what
they're
saying.
So
I
can
report
it
back.
A
Okay,
so
does
anyone
wish
to
make
any
further
comments
or
clarify
anything
further
david?
I
did
notice,
I'm
sorry,
you've
had
your
hand
up
for
some
time
and
I've
not
brought
you
in
please
please
go
ahead.
F
No
it's
okay
chairs!
I
was
only
gonna,
raise
a
point
that
council
finnegan
had
made
just
on
point.
Fourth
just
so,
it
wasn't
lost
about
wanting
specifics
on
e
and
one
on
the
n2
and
how
the
scheme
meets
that
and
we'll
make
sure
that
that
comes
back
to
members,
when,
when
it's
reported
for
a
decision.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Do
you
do
you
want
to
sum
up
and
reflect
the
debate
david
at
this
point.
F
Yes,
that's
fine
yeah,
so
in
in
terms
of
if
I
just
go
through
the
the
questions
and
the
first
question
related
to
the
landscape
plan
and
whether
that's
appropriate
and
the
second
question.
The
two
are
interlinked.
Really
members
views
on
the
layout
and
tree
protection
are
requested,
so
members
have
expressed
some
concern
in
respect
to
the
loss
of
trees
and
would
like
the
consideration
being
given
to
the
reconfiguration
layout
to
help
protect
trees.
F
The
trees
that
have
been
highlighted
in
discussion
were
particularly
t6,
but
also
t3
in
terms
of
the
public
open
space,
the
use
of
heavy
standard
trees.
We
also
did
hear
the
comments
from
landscape
officers
shameless
that
the
officer's
position
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
on
that.
That's
on
that
open
space
in
in
any
event,
so
we
will
take
those
matters
away
in
in
terms
of
question
three,
which
deals
with
the
biodiversity
metric.
F
We'll
continue
with
the
positive
work
on
on
that,
but
we'll
look
to
improve
the
biodiversity
on
provision
on
site
through
the
additional
landscaping,
and
we
will
report
back
to
members
on
that
and
that
may
involve
the
some
improvements
through
the
use
of
heavy
heavy
standard
trees
for
the
public
open
space.
F
In
terms
of
the
design,
we've
noted
councillor
campbell's
comments
and
very
helpful
the
detailed
comments
about
breaking
up
the
massing,
more
architectural
detail
and
we
will
try
and
produce
better
images
in
liaison
with
the
applicant's
cgis,
more
information
in
terms
of
the
detailed
design
but
prior
to
it.
Coming
back
to
plans
panel
there'll
be
discussions
with
ward
members
and
with
yourself
chair
on
on
those
issues,
no
notes
I've
got.
Thank
you.