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A
Good
afternoon
everyone
and
welcome
to
this
meeting
of
the
north
and
east
plans
panel.
My
name
is
councillor
caroline
bruin
and
I
will
be
chairing
today's
meeting.
Could
I
remind
everyone
that
today's
meeting
is
being
live
streamed
on
the
city
council
youtube
channel
so
that
the
public
can
observe
the
meeting
without
needing
to
be
present?
A
A
B
E
F
H
Good
afternoon
caster
goer,
almost
from
the
beast
in
the
novic
ward.
A
Thank
you
for
that
and
before
we
go
to
the
formal
agenda
that
we
have
in
front
of
us,
I
would
like
to
pay
tribute
to
ex-counselor
elizabeth
nash.
Elizabeth
has
sat
on
plans
panels
for
I
think
longer
than
I
can
remember,
and
has
made
a
very
significant
difference
to
many
many
things
across
the
city.
In
addition
to
the
influence
that
she's
had
over
the
planning
process,
she's
been
a
really
valuable.
A
Member
of,
I
think,
all
three
plans
panels
in
her
time
and
certainly
has
sat
on
at
least
two
parallel
for
many
many
years,
she's
a
lady
who
knew
her
mind
but
always
delivered
it
in
the
most
professional,
precise
and
carefully
calculated
way
to
make
a
really
positive
difference
and,
as
we
know,
her
passion
for
trees
and
for
culture
and
heritage
went
before
her.
She
was
exemplary,
in
my
view,
in
the
field
and
I'm
sure
that
those
views
are
shared
across
the
parties
and
right
round
the
table,
offices
and
councillors
alike.
A
She
will
be
very,
very
sadly,
missed,
and
I
for
one
I'm
very
sorry
that
she
wasn't
successful
at
the
last
election,
but
she's
a
very,
very
interesting
and
industrious
person,
and
I'm
quite
sure
that
she
will
go
on
to
do
many
interesting
things,
including
her
current
occupation
of
travel
and
leading
travel
for
others.
So
we
wish
her
all
the
very
best
in
the
next
step
of
her
career.
A
I
can
invite
people
to
say
anything
if
you
would
like
to
about
liz
or
perhaps
you're
happy
with
the
words
that
I've
already
said.
So.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
And
can
I
welcome
councillor
kelly,
brooks
who's
been
appointed
to
the
panel
until
the
end
of
its
formal
term,
when
we
all
get
allocated
our
new
positions,
but
welcome
welcome
councillor
brooks
we're
very
pleased
to
have
you
here
today.
Thank
you
so
debbie
we
can
now
go
on
to
your
preliminary
items.
Please.
J
Thank
you,
chair
under
a
gender
are
no
appeals
against
the
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents.
The
gender
item
two:
there
are
no
items
which
require
any
which
require
the
exclusion
of
the
press
or
the
public
under
gender
item.
Three.
There
are
no
late
items
of
business
under
gender
item
4.
Could
I
ask
members
to
declare
any
interests
I'll
take
silence
as
there
are
none
and
under
agenda
item?
5
apologies
have
been
received
from
councillor
stevenson
and
councillor
smith
is
present
as
his
substitute
today.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
B
Just
before
we
start,
I've
just
got
a
quick
update
for
you.
Since
the
publication
of
the
report,
we've
received
a
petition
in
objection
to
the
proposed
development
and
this
petition
was
signed
by
503
people.
So
the
the
petition
includes
individual
comments
from
each
representative.
B
However,
all
of
the
material
planning
considerations
which
are
within
the
petition
have
already
been
covered
within
the
office
of
reports.
We
also
received
five
separate
letters
of
objection
again.
The
issues
raised
within
these
letters
have
already
been
covered
within
the
reports
in
order
to
update
the
numbers
within
the
report,
paragraph
25
should
now
read
91
letters
in
support
97
in
objection,
plus
the
503
person
petition,
plus
free
general
comments
and
paragraphs
27
to
30
and
135
to
138
to
the
office
report,
respond
to
the
issues
raised
within
the
representations.
B
Before
I
start
I'll
also
add
that
some
members
on
this
panel
will
remember
when
this
application
was
brought
as
a
position
statement
back
on
the
5th
november
2020.
at
that
time.
The
purpose
of
the
position
statement
was
to
inform
members
of
the
proposal
report
on
progress
and
to
seek
general
comments
on
the
key
planning
issues
vista
this
time.
It
differs
because
we're
seeking
to
determine
the
planning
application
so
since
it
was
considered
as
a
position
statement,
the
broad
description
of
application
is
essentially
the
same.
B
So
moving
on
to
the
proposals,
it
relates
to
a
hybrid
application
for
full
plan
application
for
extensions
and
annex
buildings.
The
existing
clubhouse,
including
changes
to
the
car
park,
the
construction
of
35
holiday
lodges
with
associated
landscaping
and
parking
and
then
outlined
permission
for
change
of
use
of
agricultural
land
to
golf
course
realignment
of
the
driving
range
creation
of
an
adventure,
golf
area
and
alterations
to
the
existing
golf
course
to
create
a
foot.
Golf
course-
and
this
is
all
at
leeds
golf
center
in
wyk.
B
A
bit
of
a
delay
there,
so
the
red
line
there
just
shows
the
application
boundary
so
that
that
encompasses
the
main
clubhouse
buildings
which
just
around
there
in
the
orange.
So
that's
the
existing
clubhouse
building,
then
there's
the
existing
power
free
cast,
which
extends
to
the
south
of
the
clubhouse
building
and
also
to
the
east
and
then
there's
some
agricultural
land
to
the
northern
extent
there.
B
We
can
see
this
a
bit
better
on
on
the
aerial
there.
So
this
is
the
context
that
the
site
sits
within
the
main
18-hole
gold
course
for
the
golf
club
is
to
the
west
of
the
red
line
there.
So
that's
not
within
the
application
boundary
the
golf
club
situated
within
the
green
belt.
B
So
just
to
the
south
of
that
picture,
there
is
all
woodland
leeds
grammar
school
and
that's
that
forms
the
edge
of
the
main
urban
conibation
and
essentially
the
area
between
the
roundabout
near
the
grammar
school
all
the
way
to
to
the
river
wharf
and
near
the
harrogate
boundaries,
green
belts
and
the
air
is
also
designated
as
a
special
landscape
area.
B
White
village
just
lies
to
the
to
the
east
there.
So
that's
a
small
hamlet
and
you
know
with
very
limited
services
and
community
facilities.
B
The
main
harrogate
road
is
is
the
road
to
the
west
there
and
that
links
like
lead
to
grammar
school
to
harewood
and
on
to
harrogate
from
there,
and
as
you
can
see
from
that
picture,
there
there's
a
range
of
golf
courses
to
the
right
as
well,
so
there's
more
allerton
golf
course
there
and
there's
the
village
golf
course
just
to
be
north
of
that
as
well,
and
this
leeds
golf
center
sits
within
a
wider
belt
of
golf
courses
which
form
like
the
northern
edge
of
the
green
belts
and
there's
lots
in
there,
including
scarecroft
brandon
golf
club,
all
woodley,
motown,
samar,
headingley
and
cockridge.
B
So
this
is
just
a
general
overview
of
a
master
plan,
so
I
thought
it
would
be
good
just
to
show
this
to
given
it's
a
very
large
site,
so
you
can
orientate
yourselves
on
it.
So
school
lane
is,
is
the
main
access
in
the
bridal
way,
which
runs
east
west
across
the
site,
which
is
just
here.
B
B
The
white
land
around
the
center
is
the
the
redevelopment
of
the
extended
clubhouse,
and
that
includes
a
two-story
driving
range,
which
is
a
spur
which
extends
the
east,
and
the
green
area
is
the
relocated,
nine-hole
foot
golf
course,
and
the
yellow
area
is
the
relocated,
nine
hole,
power,
free
academy
course,
and
that's
on
the
area
of
existing
agricultural
land.
B
The
orange
is
the
realign
driving
range
and
the
purple
area
towards
the
center
of
a
plan.
Is
the
proposed
adventure
golf
area
now.
This
is
a
hybrid
application,
as
specified
in
the
description.
So
this
is
an
application
that
seeks
outline
permission
for
some
parts
and
full
planning
permission
for
others,
so
full
planned
permission
to
sort
for
the
clubhouse
redevelopment
and
the
lodges
and
outline
for
for
the
rest
of
the
developments
and
to
start
with
I'll
just
take
you
through
the
site
quickly.
B
And
here
you
can
see
as
it
as
it
extends
along.
So
if
you
just
look
into
the
far
into
that
picture
there,
you
can
see
where
school
lane
changes
from
a
a
made
road
to
an
unmade,
road
and
and
school
lane
is
a
bridal
way
and
then
to
the
right
hand,
side
there.
B
B
So
this
is
the
area
to
the
south
of
school
lengths.
This
is
where
the
eco
lodge
development
will
be,
and
at
the
moment
it's
a
a
path,
recourse
and
a
foot
golf
area-
and
these
are
other
pictures,
so
this
would
be
extending
down
southwards
across
there
or
probably
south
westwards
towards
the
across
the
eco
lodge
development.
B
So
you
can
see
how
the
land
undulates
a
bit
and
some
of
the
two-story
lodges
will
be
towards
the
rear
of
this
picture,
built
into
that
little
slope
for
those
that
aren't
well,
who
don't
know
what
a
foot
golf
green
is.
This
is
a
typical
example
of
one.
So
it's
it's
pretend
to
be
artificial
greens
with
a
slightly
larger
hole,
but
that
you
know
it
can
be
quite
similar
in
the
wider
landscape
to
the
typical
golf
green,
and
this
is
again
looking
south
just
showing
the
land
levels
and
and
the
existing
landscape.
B
And
then
this
is
looking
across
white
ridge
road
to
the
south.
So
this
would
be
the
far
end
of
eco
lodge
development
to
the
south,
and
it
just
sets
the
wider
context
for
the
land.
So
you
can
see
the
open
countryside,
the
other
side
and
white
ridge
lanes
on
quite
a
lower
level.
There
we
drove
past
it
on
the
bus.
B
You
got
glimpses
into
the
site,
but
the
land
levels
do
make
a
difference.
B
This
is
another
picture
looking
up
towards
what
would
be
called
the
quarry
area
of
the
lodge
development,
which
you
can
kind
of
see
that
cliff
face
just
central
towards
the
rear.
B
This
is
looking
from
the
lodge
development
site
to
the
existing
clubhouse,
so
you
can
see
that
side
gable
of
existing
clubhouse
there
and
again
another
view
from
within
the
lodge
development
towards
the
clubhouse,
and
you
can.
You
can
just
see
the
existing
driving
range
spur
which
goes
off
to
the
rear
of
that
clubhouse
there.
B
This
is
the
clubhouse
from
the
western
elevations.
This
one
faces
the
the
main
golf
course
and
there's
some
practice.
Greens
and
a
drinks
terrace
the
front
of
this.
So
it's
a
it's
a
two-story
clubhouse
and
you
can
see
it's
had
some
extensions
to
the
sides.
There
already.
B
This
is
the
main
entrance
from
the
car
park,
so
this
is
how
people
currently
access
the
sites
there's
a
reception
area
in
there,
a
club
shop,
some
changing
rooms
and
obviously
the
driving
range
as
well
as
well
as
a
function
function,
room
which
doubles
as
the
as
the
bar
area.
B
This
is
the
car
pack,
it's
quite
a
large
car
park.
This
200
nod
spaces
as
existing,
and
that
includes
a
temporary,
like
grass
creek
area
to
the
far
side
which
we'll
go
into,
and
you
can
see
the
landscaping
there
to
the
just
beyond
the
car
parking
which
shields
the
the
driving
range
at
the
present
time.
B
This
is
from
the
the
almost
the
far
end
of
the
car
park,
looking
back
towards
the
clubhouse-
and
this
is
the
additional
area
of
almost
informal
overflow
car
parking
at
the
moment.
B
This
is
the
other
part
of
the
par-3
course.
This
is
just
the
right-hand
side
of
the
clubhouse
to
the
east.
This
is
also
used
as
a
powerfree
course
at
the
moment,
and
this
is
the
area
that
that
would
move
to
the
new
foot
golf
course.
B
Then
this
is
the
existing
driving
range.
It
slopes
quite
steeply
up
towards
the
top
there,
so
that
that
bus
you
can
see
is
on
the
ridge
of
the
hill.
This
mature
landscaping
to
to
the
west
hand
side,
and
then
this
is
from
the
ridge
of
the
hill.
Looking
back
down,
so
I
pointed
out
to
members
on
site.
This
is
a
an
earlier
photo,
but
this
area
around
here
is
an
unauthorized
driving
range
extension
and
we
got
told
on
site
by
the
by
the
agents.
This
will
soon
be
removed.
B
And
then
this
is
a
picture
from
the
top
of
the
ridge,
and
this
is
looking
over
the
agricultural
fields,
which
will
form
the
new
golf
course
so
that,
as
you
can
see,
the
land
slopes
down
into
a
valley
and
then
back
up
the
other
side.
B
And
then
these
are
some
images
that
have
been
provided
by
the
applicants
to
show
the
kind
of
developments
I
had
in
mind
for
the
adventure
golf
area,
because
we've
had
very
limited
information
in
that
regard
and
you
can
see
they
they
differ
slightly,
but
they
tend
to
be
man-made
and
the
bottom
left
one
shows
significant
structures.
I
think
that's
a
some
kind
of
pirate
ship.
B
B
This
is
the
the
first
floor,
so
those
purple
areas
to
the
left
hand
side.
There
are
the
large
function
rooms
which
incorporate
a
balcony,
terrace
and
there's
meeting
spaces
with
balkan
terraces
under
the
kitchen,
pre-function
room,
some
studio
classes,
teaching
spaces
teaching
bays
and
an
additional
15
driving
mage
base,
so
that
they're
at
the
first
floor
level
of
the
driving
range
and
then
just
on
the
top
floor.
B
There
you
have
your
gym
health,
health,
spa,
reception
area,
which
has
got
a
balcony
health,
spa,
lounge
and
free
treatment
rooms,
a
sauna
steam
spa
as
well
as
a
storage
room.
B
So
you
can
see
from
from
this
side
it's
still
got
a
two-story
farm
with
a
pitched
roof
typical
materials
railing.
You
can
see
the
two-story
driving
range
annex
going
off
to
the
to
the
right
hand,
side
there
that
incorporates
a
green
roof
with
solar
panels
as
well,
and
then
there's
just
a
little
annex
to
the
to
the
far
right
hand,
side
down
there,
which
is
two-story
as
well.
B
And
then
this
is
the
elevation
as
if
you're
looking
from
the
golf
course.
This
is
the
west
elevation
and,
as
you
can
see,
that
shows
a
quite
substantial,
like
three-star
redevelopment
with
a
flat
roof.
B
With
a
flat
roof
to
this
elevation,
so
so
that
red
line
there
shows
the
existing
scale
of
the
building.
Now
you've
got
to
bear
in
mind
here
that
that
existing
building,
that
top
red
line
there
is,
is
the
ridge
height
of
the
roof.
So
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
mass
in
it,
it's
two-story
scale
and
you'll
also
see
from
from
the
next
plan
that
this
elevation's
actually
brought
towards
towards
you
a
bit
further.
B
This
is
the
this
is
the
cross
section.
I
was
hoping
to
to
show
you
before,
but
this
the
red
line
there
indicates
the
existing
mass
of
the
existing
building,
so
you
can
see
from
the
middle
drawing
there
that
that
three-star
elevation
is
actually
being
pulled
forward
as
well,
and
then,
as
you
go
further
down
that
the
new
building
is
of
you
know,
significantly
greater
bulk
than
what's
already
there.
B
Then,
if
you
can
see
the
the
black,
the
thick
black
line,
that
that
shows
a
fallback
position,
so
the
golf
centres
previously
obtained
planned
permission
for
for
other
developments.
I
think
it
was
back
in
2013
and
these
are
still
extent
because
they're
being
partly
implemented,
but,
as
you
can
see
there
what's
being
proposed
now
goes
above
and
beyond
that
historic
permission.
B
This
this
table's
in
the
report
anyway,
but
I
thought
it'd-
be
useful
to
put
it
in
here.
So
this
shows
a
comparison
between
the
existing
building
what's
been
approved,
so
so
the
fallback
position
and
then
the
current
scheme
on
the
right.
This
is
gross
external
area,
which
is
just
one
way
which
we
can
look
at
the
comparative
size
of
a
building.
B
But,
as
you
can
see
there,
the
gross
external
area
is
of
the
proposal
is
at
least
three
times
the
size
of
well
about
three
times
the
size
of
the
existing
building,
with
accommodation
across
four
floors,
as
opposed
to
two
at
present,
and
even
if
you
consider
the
the
fallback
position
is
almost
you
know
twice
the
size
of
that.
B
So
these
are
some
cgi
images
which
have
been
produced
so
this
one's
from
the
car
park
looking
towards
the
main
entrance,
and
so
you
can
see
it's
been
given
quite
an
attractive
frontage.
This
elevation,
it
maintains
it's
two-story
scale.
It's
used
in
traditional
materials
orbit.
There's
the
solar
panels
on
the
roof.
There
you've
got
the
chimney
elements
and
that's
coupled
with
landscaping
as
well.
B
B
This
is
showing
so,
as
you
follow
school
lane
as
it
becomes
the
unmade
bridle
way
further
up.
This
shows
views
back
towards
the
existing
clubhouse,
and
then
this
is
a
comparison
of
what
the
mock-up
is
for.
The
proposed
elevation.
B
And
then
this
just
leads
back
to
the
overall
master
plan,
but,
as
you
can
see
at
the
bottom,
there's
some
color
coding
there
on
on
the
lodges.
So
the
lighter
pink
colored
lodges
are
the
the
single
story:
two-person
lodges,
the
yellow
ones,
towards
the
bottom
of
the
the
two-story
four-bedroom
lodges
and
the
the
other
purple
ones
are
a
four
bedroom
single
story
lodges.
B
So
it's
predominantly
two
starry
lodges
with
a
few.
I
think
it's
seven
in
total
four
bed
ones.
B
This
is
a
closer
look
at
the
the
lodge
development,
so
you
can
see
that
the
set
within
two
main
zones
really
with
footpath
networks
linking
them
all
in
so
they
the
most
northern
ones,
are
set
around
the
central
lake
and
I
think
there's
there's
20
25
lodges
there
and
there's
a
I
think:
it's
a
41
space
car
park
to
the
north,
which
is
accessed
from
school
lane,
which
is
just
that-
and
this
diagram
here
also
shows
the
proposed
tree
planting.
B
So
all
those
little
circles
there
I
propose
new
tree
planting
and
that
forms
part
of
the
the
landscape
proposals
which
have
been
put
forward.
So
so
the
southern
ones
are
formed
around
the
the
quarry
area
and
there's
a
bet
down
there
as
well,
which
splits
them
in
the
middle
and
the
intention
is
to
build
the
two-story
ones
into
the
existing
land
farm,
which
you
should
see
through
the
drawings.
I'm
going
to
just
take
you
through.
B
This
is
a
plan
for
the
standard,
two
bedroom
lodges
and
you
can
see
a
little
flower
plant
in
the
bottom
left-hand
corner
as
well.
So
it's
a
single
starring
scale,
constructed
of
timber
and
glazing
with
some
stone
detail
into
the
side,
and
you
can
see
they
incorporate
green
roofs
to
the
top
to
the
roofs.
B
I
might
need
a
manual
intervention
here.
Thank
you.
This
is
the
cgi
of
of
some
of
the
single-story
lodges,
just
showing
the
lakeside
setting
I'll
see
I'll
see.
If
I
all
right,
that's
the
same
image,
but
at
nighttime
next,
please-
and
these
are
the
two
story
lodges
so
again,
just
showing,
like
the
quarry
area,
deciding
how
trying
to
mitigate
the
impact
by
setting
those
into
the
into
the
landform
there,
but
they're,
obviously
of
a
grander
scale,
so
we'll
just
if
we
just
leave
this
image
up.
B
B
It's
it's
a
largely
greenfield
site
in
nature
and,
as
members
were
aware,
there
was
a
presumption
against
an
appropriate
development
within
the
green
belt,
and
the
mppf
advises
that
inappropriate
development
is,
by
definition
harmful
to
the
green
belt
should
only
be
approved
in
exceptional,
sorry,
very
special
circumstances
and
local
authorities
need
to
ensure
that
they
give
substantial
weight
any
harm
to
the
green
rock.
B
So
paragraphs,
149
and
150
of
bmppf
outlined
some
general
exceptions
to
what
is
clusters
inappropriate
development
in
the
green
belt
and
I've
detailed
these
in
paragraph
68
and
69
of
the
report.
But
the
main
issues
when
considering
development
proposals
in
the
green
bowl
are
whether
the
proposal
constitutes
inappropriate
development
in
the
green
belts
and
secondly,
if
if
it
is
inappropriate
development,
whether
the
harm
by
reason
of
its
inappropriateness
and
any
other
harm
is
clearly
outweighed
by
other
considerations.
B
So,
towards
amounts
of
very
special
circumstances
needed
to
justify
the
development,
so
several
of
the
greenbelt
exceptions
which
are
highlighted
in
the
mppf
also
require
an
assessment
as
to
whether
the
proposal
will
preserve
open
the
civil
green
belt
and
the
concept
of
openness
generally
means
is
the
state
of
being
free
from
built
developments
and
and
and
the
impact
of
on
openness
is
an
assessment
of
how
built
up
the
green
belt
is
now
and
how
built
it
built
up.
It
would
be
for
redevelopment
occurs.
B
So
as
I've
taken
you
through
the
development
you'll
realize
it
contains
several
distinct
elements
and
I'll
go
over
these
quickly
and
turn.
We've
got
the
relocated
golf
course,
foot
golf
course
and
the
real
re-aligned
driving
range
and
that's
the
the
orange
the
yellow
and
the
green
areas
there
and
only
principle.
Only
outline
consent
is
sought
for
these
elements,
so
we
don't
have
detailed
course,
layouts
or
or
our
landscaping,
for
example,
and
they'd
follow
with
any
reserve
matters
application
at
a
later
date.
B
So,
in
summary,
these
elements
are
considered
to
constitute
appropriate
development,
given
that
an
outdoor
sports
use
generally
meets
one
of
the
the
green
belt
exceptions,
and
it's
considered
that
you
know
there's
enough
scope
within
that
area
for
for
any
development
to
to
be
brought
forward,
which
maintains
openness
within
the
reserve
matters,
application
and
the
foot
golf
and
the
rear
line.
Golf
course
are
likely
to
have
a
minute,
a
minimal
impact
when
you
consider
the
existing
golf
course
setting.
B
They
don't
meet
any
of
the
exceptions
highlighted
in
the
mppfr
udp
n33
and
as
such,
they
consider
to
form
inappropriate
developments,
and
the
proposed
lodge
is
considered
to
result
in
considerable
harm
to
the
green
boat
in
terms
of
loss
of
openness
and
some
of
the
key
considerations
are
it's
it's
quite
a
low
density
layout,
so
it's
about
a
four
hectare
sites
and
and
that
green
belt
land
will
effectively
become
brownfield
once
the
development
takes
place,
there's
35
units
of
accommodation,
a
large
car
park,
and
then
you've
got
your
other
ancillary
development,
such
as
the
footpaths,
which
will
have
a
pronounced
impact
on
the
spatial
aspects
of
of
the
green
belts.
B
It's
also
the
visual
impact,
so
we've
obviously
got
school
lane,
which
is
a
bridal
way
running
across
the
development
and
there'll,
be
some
views
between
the
hedges
at
close
quarters
of
the
lodges
and
in
particular,
the
car
park.
From
from
this
direction,
and
obviously
it's
a
powerfree
golf
course
at
the
moment
and
the
lodge
development
will
result
in
the
market.
B
Increasing
the
level
of
activity
on
this
part
of
the
site
compared
to
that
existing
use
and
another
consideration
is
we
have
a
save
policy
within
the
udp
which
is
gb
21,
which
relates
to
holiday,
accommodation
and
holiday
accommodation
within
the
green
belt
specifically,
and
it
states,
amongst
others,
that
hotels
and
other
permanent
holiday
accommodation
will
not
be
permitted
within
the
greenbelt.
B
So
this
development
will
be
clearly
odds
with
that
development.
That
policy
so
overall,
the
lodge
has
continued
to
form
inappropriate
development
and
it's
considered
the
resultant
sites
down
down
the
south
that
would
be
distinctly
more
urban
than
it
is
at
the
present
time.
B
Moving
on
to
clubhouse
alterations,
paragraph
149c
of
the
mppf
permits
extensions
and
alterations
to
buildings
in
the
greenbelt,
providing
that
they
do
not
result
in
disproportionate
additions.
B
Paragraph
22
of
the
report
outlines
the
the
quite
complex
planning
history
for
this
site
and
we've
we've
already
been
quite
flexible
and
granted
quite
a
few
extensions
to
the
clubhouse,
some
of
which
appear
to
have
been
constructed,
but
it
can
be
seen
from
that
comparison
table
that
I
put
forward
that
these
extensions
cannot
be
considered
to.
B
And
then
also,
we
could
quickly
through
flew
by
the
the
floor
plan
and
there's
some
concerns
there
that
some
of
the
uses
proposed
within
the
the
clubhouse
building
go
beyond
the
functional
need
of
a
general
golf
club.
So
you've
got
the
spa
facilities,
they're
the
very
spacious
driving
range
elements
and
the
other
commercial
aspects.
B
B
So,
overall,
the
clubhouse
redevelopment
is
considered
to
constitute
disproportionate
additions
and
would
be
inappropriate
development
and,
finally,
the
adventure
golf.
So
we
saw
some
slides
of
the
adventure
golf
and
the
kind
of
use
which
which
they're
hoping
to
promote.
So
a
lot
of
these
had
ornamental
features,
artificial
glass
and
some
had
significant
structures
such
as
the
pirate
ship,
and
it's
considered
that
this
uses
almost
mark
into
a
leisure
use
than
a
spartan
recreation
and
and
even
if
we
were
to
consider
the
adventure
golf
as
an
appropriate
use
of
in
the
green
belt.
B
We'd
then
have
to
consider
whether
the
development
would
have
would
preserve
openness,
and
I
think,
given
the
scale
of
the
some
of
the
structures
in
those
pictures
and
the
type
of
development
it'd
be
very
difficult
for
us
to
come
to
the
conclusion
that
it
would
so
overall
for
several
elements
of
the
proposal
that
are
considered
to
form
inappropriate
development
and
planning
policy
is
clear
that
inappropriate
development
is,
by
definition
harmful
to
the
green
belt
and
substantial
way
it
should
be
attributed
to
to
such
harm,
and
such
developments
will
not
be
approved,
except
in
very
special
circumstances.
B
So
I
touched
upon
the
sites
within
the
special
landscape
area,
and
these
are
generally
considered
to
be
the
most
attractive
areas
of
countryside
within
leads
and
policy
requires
development
proposals
in
these
areas
to
have
particularly
regard
to
the
conservation
of
the
landscape
in
terms
of
its
immediate
setting
when
you're
on
the
site,
it's
obviously
appears
as
a
golf
club,
but
it's
within
the
wider
setting
of
the
of
the
open
countryside.
B
The
proposed
clubhouse
and
lodges
are
considered
to
be
of
architectural
merits,
and
you
know
quite
nice
design
and
they
provide
some
mitigation
in
terms
of
landscape
impact.
So
you've
got
things
like
the
green
roofs,
the
the
natural
materials
being
used,
the
significant
landscaping
proposals
using
the
topography
where
the
cam
and
the
most
prominent
elevations
of
a
clubhouse
have
also
been
designed
to
have
more
of
a
rural
feel
retaining
that
two-story
scale.
B
However,
in
contrast,
as
you'll
have
seen
from
the
images
that
the
west
elevation,
the
three
starry
one
is
quite
significantly,
it's
a
significant
bulk.
It's
a
modern
appearance
and
it
significantly
adds
to
the
massively
existing
building.
The
lodge
development
also
has
a
prominent
car
park
and
there's
a
concern
about
that.
B
How
conspicuous
the
development
will
be
at
night
time
compared
to
the
existing
situation,
because
at
the
moment,
you've
obviously
got
a
golf
course
with
no
lighting
moving
to
a
large
development
which,
even
if
you
put
forward
a
low
impact
lighting
scheme,
there's
going
to
be
a
discernible
impact
there.
B
So
I
think,
overall,
in
terms
of
its
sheer
increase
in
scale
and
height,
we
think
the
development
will
be
at
odds
with
the
wider
rural
landscape
and
especially
when
viewed
at
close
quarters
from
that
school
laying
public
right
of
way.
So
I
think,
essentially,
what
we're
saying
is
at
the
moment,
you've
got
the
existing
clubhouse
building
and
developments,
and
they
kind
of
sit
quite
neatly,
even
though
they've
been
extending
it's
quite
a
large
building
sit
quite
neatly
within
the
in
the
local
landscape
and.
B
A
clubhouse
in
the
golf
course
is
something
that
you
wouldn't
not
expect
to
see
within
the
green
belt
appropriate
for
that
that
area,
whereas
the
proposal
goes
above
and
beyond,
you
know
significantly
stretching
the
boundaries
in
this
regard.
B
So
in
terms
of
the
economy
and
tourism,
the
applicants
have
put
forward
lots
of
arguments
which
I've
detailed
in
the
report
in
terms
of
the
economic
benefits.
These
relate
to
the
construction
industry,
creating
jobs,
creating
direct
jobs
at
the
golf
club
and
uplifting
visitors
and
gva
of
a
wider
economy
and
in
relation
to
the
rural
economy.
Our
local
plan
policy,
in
particular
car
strategy
state
that
balance
needs
to
be
struck
between
providing
local
employment
opportunities,
promoting
sustainable
patterns
of
development
and
protecting
the
character
of
the
countryside
and
reflecting
greenbelt
purposes.
B
So
in
this
instance,
it's
considered
the
proposal
would
not
constitute
a
sustainable
rural
tourism,
largely
given
the
large
scale
of
the
lodge
development
and
the
difficulties
of
assimilating
that
into
the
countryside,
given
its
scale.
B
The
location
of
the
development
also
has
a
high
reliance
on
on
car
based
transport
and
it.
This
is
at
the
bottom
end
of
a
settlement
hierarchy.
So
we
expect
a
lot
of
our
tourist
and
hotel
accommodation
to
be
based
on
the
on
the
settlement
hierarchy
and
when
you
get
to
that
lower
end,
you
want
your
rural
tourism
to
be
discrete
and
sit
neatly
within
within
the
context
and
you're
going
to
have
a
35
lodge
development.
B
In
this
instance,
we
don't
consider
the
proposal
constitutes
sustainable
rural
tourism
and
there's
also
the
issue
with
main
town
centre
uses,
given
that
hotel
and
leisure
uses
are
proposed,
but
the
applicants
have
put
forward
a
sequential
test
and
the
policy
officers
think
that
it's
past
that
test
and
there's
no
policy
conflict
in
this
regard
residential
immunity,
the
nearest
residential
dwellings
are
situated,
175
meters
from
the
extended
clubhouse
and
the
nearest
residential
dwellings
is
75
meters
to
the
east
of
the
the
lodge
developments.
B
So,
whilst
the
redevelop,
clubhouse
and
lodges
have
greater
potential
for
noise
in
the
existing
development,
it's
considered
that
the
offset
distances
will
not
result
in
material
harm,
and
we
also
think
that
the
potential
noise
nuisance
can
be
mitigated
by
measures
such
as
the
implementation
of
a
noise
mitigation
plan,
restrictions
on
amplified
music
hours
of
operation
usage
of
the
terrorist
areas,
as
well
as
sound
insulation
and
then
particularly
the
lodge
proposals
which
are
75
meters
away
from
the
nearest
dwelling.
It's
a
it's
a
low
density
style
of
developments,
it
largely
formed
by
two
bed
units.
B
B
Biodiversity
impact
calculator
and
several
species
surveys
have
been
undertaken,
and
the
proposal
generally
takes
place
upon
an
existing
golf
course,
which
is
quite
an
intensely
managed
setting
notwithstanding.
There
are
pockets
of
high
value
areas
such
as
woodland
scrub
and
grassland
there,
but
these
will
be
largely
safeguarded.
B
So
the
development
incorporates
measures
such
as
green
roofs
of
lakes,
significant
lands,
landscaping
and
the
conservation
office
is
satisfied
that
the
development
can
demonstrate
a
biodiversity
net
gain
and
subject
to
the
detail,
matters
going
through
any
conditions
and
in
terms
of
tree
planting,
while
some
trees
will
be
lost
as
a
overall
significant
gain
in
tree
coverage
across
the
site.
Following
the
redevelopment
proposals,
highways
considerations,
a
transport
assessment
and
travel
plan
have
been
provided.
B
B
The
proposal
results
in
improvements
of
school
lane
along
the
site,
frontage,
which
is
currently
unmade
so
there'll,
be
an
extension
of
that
unmade
element
slightly
further
forward
to
to
cover
the
new
access
and
exits
to
the
to
the
extended
car
park
and,
while
school
end
is
now
a
carriageway.
The
proposal
will
lead
to
an
increase
in
vehicle
movements
and
the
proposal
that
will
result
in
increasing
vehicle
movements.
B
The
trick
generation
from
from
the
development,
which
is
detailed
in
paragraph
125
of
the
report
is
not
considered
to
result
in
significant
highways
impacts
and
will
also
be
improved
to
school
and
along
the
site.
Frontage.
B
Given
the
the
greenbelt
harm
which
we've
considered
you've
heard
that
officers
consider
that
the
proposal
will
result
in
quite
significant
harm
to
the
green
belts
by
reason
of
its
inappropriateness
and
encouragement
into
the
countryside,
whilst
harm's
also
been
identified
to
the
special
landscape
area,
as
well
as
rural
tourism
objectives.
B
Now
the
applicants
have
put
forward
several
matters
which
they
considered
to
constitute
very
special
circumstances.
B
The
first
argument
is
that
the
proposal
will
create
a
regional
golf
facility.
This
in
principle,
is
a
matter
that
could,
in
combination
with
other
factors,
be
considered
to
constitute
a
bsc
of
very
special
circumstance.
B
However,
officers
consider
that
limit,
limited
evidence,
but
this
aspiration
to
be
a
regional
gold
facility
is
feasible
has
been
put
forward.
I
mean
key
to
this,
is
that
the
main
18-hole
golf
course
is
actually
outside
of
the
area,
so
there
won't
be
any
improvements
in
that
regard,
and
the
new
course
is
a
power
free
one.
That's
only
subject
to
outline
permission,
so
we've
not
seen
that
detail
of
the
course
yet.
B
So
we're
not
sure
what
what
quality,
what
desirability
of
a
new
course
will
have,
and
overall
the
claims
appear
to
be
marking
into
aspirations
which
which
other
golf
courses
in
the
local
area
could
well
have
to
be
a
regional
golf
facility
rather
than
having
the
substance
there
to
prove
it
will
be
so
so
as
such,
this
mata
is
not
considered
to
constitute
a
very
special
circumstance,
they've
also
put
forward
economic
and
tourism
benefits.
B
Again,
this
is
a
matter
which
could,
in
principle,
constitute
a
very
special
circumstance.
I
think
the
benefits
to
the
local
economy
are
noted
and
it's
feasible
that
providing
a
place
for
golfers
to
stay
overnight.
It's
a
potential
benefit
to
neighbouring
courses,
as
well
as
the
wider
economy
and,
in
particular,
the
local
golf
in
the
economy.
B
However,
to
counteract
these
proposals
close
to
a
range
of
nearby
hotel
accommodation,
so
that
it's
not
like,
there's
no
accommodation
within
the
area.
It's
just
there's
no
golf
specific
accommodation.
B
In
terms
of
job
creation,
I
mean
this
is
always
welcomed
by
planning
policy,
however,
that
the
level
of
direct
jobs
from
the
development
is
not
at
a
level
where
it's
it's
going
to
have
a
significant
positive
impact
and
then
the
benefits,
the
construction
economy,
which
they've
highlighted,
are
also
going
to
be
time,
limited,
of
course,
so
in
this
instance,
while
selected
to
be
some
economic
and
tourism
benefits
to
scheme
these
inc
in
combination
around
the
attributed
moderate
weight,
community
and
public
benefits,
benefits
have
been
advanced,
such
as
charity
and
school
support.
B
I
mean
these
are
strongly
supported
and
under
commendable,
and
I
think
they,
the
golf
course
has
shown
that
they've
got
a
good
track
record
across
these
elements.
However,
a
lot
of
these
benefits
are
already
occurring
and
there
are
existing
benefits,
so
it's
hard
for
us
to
to
add
additional
weights
in
this
policy.
B
Looking
at
this
application,
if
we're
already
occurring,
it's
also
not
clear
how
some
elements
of
the
scheme,
such
as
the
lodges
and
the
spa
facilities
directly
linked
to
these
benefits,
there's
a
commitment
to
a
three
hundred
thousand
pound
fund
for
community
activities.
B
So
the
community
and
public
benefits
from
the
development
could,
in
principle,
be
a
very
special
circumstance.
However,
in
this
instance,
as
I've
just
discussed,
I
think
we
can
only
attribute
limited
weight
to
these
local
supports
being
put
forward
as
a
there's,
a
vst
argument
by
the
applicants
but
as
you'll
know
from
the
report,
there's
been
a
considerable
level
of
opposition
as
well,
so
it
needs
to
be
balanced
against
that,
and
we
don't
consider
that
this
is
a
vsc.
B
The
health
and
well-being
benefits,
significant
and
demonstrable
health
and
well-being
benefits
is
something
that
could
again
in
principle,
be
vscs
health
and
well-being
and
childhood
obesity
are
important
issues
both
for
leads
and
nationally,
and
whilst
it's
feasible
that
the
development
could
help
attract
more
people
to
sport,
I
think,
in
terms
of
information
we've
received
it's
largely
speculative
and
and
unsubstantiated,
because
on
one
hand
we've
got
the
existing
power
free
cost
of
the
south
and
that's
been
replaced
by
the
eco
lodges
and
and
that's
been
replaced
by
a
golf
course
to
the
north.
B
B
Yeah
and
another
element,
such
as
the
powerful
in
the
foot,
golf
already
exist
on
the
site.
The
viability
of
the
club
is
another
vsc
which
has
been
forwarded
by
the
by
the
applicants.
Again.
This
could
in
principle,
form
a
vsc.
However,
in
terms
of
viability,
we've
received
very
limited
information,
very
basic
information.
B
It's
not
in
line
with
national
guidance
on
the
matter,
and
it's
not
robust
enough
for
us
to
draw
a
conclusion
on
as
to
whether
this
35
lodge
development
and
this
level
of
increase
the
clubhouse
is,
is
what's
required
to
you
know,
move
the
golf
club
out
of
the
red
into
the
green,
almost
we're
not
really
sure
where
the
line
is
for
that
and
the
information's
also
not
being
open
to
public
scrutiny.
B
As
such,
we
don't
consider
these
viability,
arguments
that
have
been
put
forward
to
constitute
a
bsc,
and
the
last
argument
that's
been
put
forward
is
the
climate
emergency.
So,
as
you'll
have
seen
from
the
the
proposals,
there's
lots
of
green
elements
to
this
scheme.
B
I
mean
these
are
generally
commended
and
supported
and
and
some
of
which
go
beyond
general
policy
requirements
so
for
looking
at
net
zero
carbon
as
well
as
brian
excellent,
whereas
brian
excellent
is
a
policy
requirement
in
the
net
zero
carbon
goes
above.
Our
existing
en1
policy.
B
However,
against
this
you
know
we
have
our
en1
ent2
and
ena
environmental
policies
and-
and
they
are
already
quite
a
high
bar.
So
whilst
there
will
be
a
an
improvement
on
on
those
policy
requirements,
it's
it's
a
net
gain
and
it's
the
weight
you
can
attribute
to
that
gain
above
what
we
achieve
anyway,
and
in
this
instance
we
don't
think
that
that
would
be
so
substantial
to
it
to
to
warrant
significant
weight
in
this
instance.
B
So
concluding
on
the
vscs.
You
know,
whilst
we
recognize
the
development
is
going
to
have
some
some
benefits
in
terms
of
climate
change,
mitigation,
economic
and
tourism
benefits
and
community
benefits,
we
don't
consider
these
individually
accumulatively
amounts
of
vscs,
which
which
outweigh
that
hand
that
have.
B
Outweigh
the
greenbot
hand,
which
is
being
demonstrated,
and
so
so
as
such,
we
think
that
the
proposals
is
contrary
to
policy
n33
and
the
mppf
in
this
regard,
and
then
this
kind
of
sums
up
the
the
final
conclusions
that
you'll
see
in
the
report
where
we've
we've
looked
at
all
the
elements
of
harm
and
whether
these
are
outweighed
by
the
by
the
vsc's
and,
in
the
end
of
the
day,
we've
caught
with
three
reasons
for
refusal
which
are
at
the
start
of
the
the
document
and-
and
these
are
the
greenbelt
harm,
the
hound
to
special
landscape
area
and
the
non-compliance
with
the
the
objectives
of
the
rural
tourism
as
well.
A
Well,
thank
you
steve
for
that
very
explicit
presentation,
which
I'm
sure
has
given
us
all
a
big
insight
into
the
into
the
application
before
us.
We
have
some
speakers
this
afternoon.
First
of
all
objectors.
Mr
cyril,
am
I
pronouncing
that
correctly?
Would
you
like
to
come
forward?
Please.
A
Okay,
so
when
you're
speaking,
you'll
need
to
have
the
mic
on
and
you've
got
up
to
four
minutes.
If
you
could
stick
to
the
four
minutes,
because
we
will
at
some
point
have
to
cut
you
off
if
you
exceed
that.
Okay,
welcome
to
the
meeting
and
thank
you
for
coming
to
share
your
views
with
us
this
afternoon.
In
your
own
time,.
L
Right
there
we
go.
Thank
you
very
much.
Members
of
the
plans
panel.
My
name
is
stephen
sorrell.
I
live
at
the
old
ford
cottage
forge
lane
in
white.
L
I
represent
the
the
residents
of
wike
who
formed
a
group
in
opposition
to
this
application,
and
I
speak
today
with
the
unanimous
support
of
every
member
of
a
resident
of
of
of
wike.
We've
carefully
read
the
planning
office's
report
and
and
as
you've
heard,
he
makes
some
very
solid
points
about
the
application.
L
L
You've
also
heard
that
there's
no
local
support
for
this
project
at
all
any
letters
in
support
have
come
from
golf
club,
members
or
supporters
of
park
lane.
What
is
more
relevant
is
that
the
golf
club
has
made
no
effort
whatsoever
to
engage
with
the
local
community
to
try
and
help
shape
a
scheme
that
might
be
acceptable,
which
is,
of
course,
how
it
should
be
done.
L
Three
of
the
five
local
parish
councils
are
also
in
opposition.
As
a
result
of
this,
the
residents
are
deeply
concerned
about
the
impact
on
impact
on
traffic,
drainage,
noise
and
pollution.
L
Another
point
the
applicant
made
is
that
this
is
a
very
sustainable
proposal,
but
in
truth,
as
an
environmental
advisor
myself,
I
can
say
that
it
lacks
any
true
green
credentials.
Another
point
that's
just
been
made
by
the
planning
officer,
but
the
phd
resistance
of
the
whole
thing
is
this
argument
about
money.
The
fact
is,
this
application
is
just
about
that.
It's
about
money.
The
applicant
has
accepted
and
admitted
that
the
golf
club
is
unviable.
It
needs
this
application
to
make
the
money
to
survive.
L
But
if
the
council
accepts
this
argument,
I
ask
you
this:
where
does
it
end?
If
you
agree,
this
venture
is
special,
then
every
other
struggling
golf
club
in
north
leeds
is
going
to
say
the
same,
we're
under
the
cost.
We
need
to
build
on
virgin
greenbelt
land
to
get
us
out
of
this
mess.
Indeed,
any
other
applicant
for
any
planning
application
in
leeds
could
could
make
exactly
the
same
points.
This
is
a
very
dangerous
precedent.
L
But
you
have
heard
in
some
detail
from
the
planning
officer
all
of
the
various
concerns
and
he's
placed
those
in
his
report.
In
conclusion,
our
respectful
view,
as
residents
of
wike,
is
that
the
only
proper
decision
to
arrive
at
is
to
refuse
this
application.
A
F
Thanks
chair,
can
you
just
clarify?
Has
there
been
no
consultation
with
the
community
whatsoever
in
relation
to
this.
L
What
happened
was
that
when
the
application
was
first
made,
a
presentation
was
put
up
in
the
entrance
to
the
golf
club
with
with
some
diagrams
and
photos
and
so
on,
and
a
letter
was
sent
to
the
six
nearest
houses
and
we
only
found
out
about
that
later
on
and
they
were
invited
to
a
meeting
in
the
golf
club,
clubhouse
and
some
did
go
and
and
that's
how
we
found
out
about
the
rest
of
the
rest
of
the
village
actually
found
out
about
the
application.
I
L
Well,
I
recognize
the
highways
is
a
is
a
tricky
area
because
you
you've,
the
planning
officer,
has
gone
to
the
highways
department
and
they've
put
their
submissions
into
him
and
clearly
we
don't
agree
with
those,
but
the
essence
is
really
quite
straightforward:
isn't
it
for
those
who,
I'm
sure
all
the
members
know
this
part
of
bike
whitebridge
lane
goes
along.
We
have
speed
problems
in
relation
to
that.
There's
now
been
a
camera,
not
sorry,
not
a
camera.
L
One
of
those
solar
signs
put
up
saying
what
your
speed
is
coming
into
the
village,
but
people
do
go
through
the
village
at
60
miles
an
hour
along
white
ridge
lanes.
That's
the
first
point
and
then
forge
lane
turns
left,
of
course,
and
school
lane
turns
left
again
off
that
and
that's
the
entrance
to
the
to
the
golf
club,
the
corner,
that
junction
is
a
problem.
L
There's
always
accidents
on
that
junction,
because
there
is
a
a
cottage
on
that
junction
called
island
cottage,
as
you
might
know,
which
is
in
in
a
triangle
of
roads,
because
there's
if
you're
coming
from
the
other
direction,
you
cut
off
before
forge
lane.
If
you're
coming
from
the
leads
direction,
you
turn
left
on
forge
lane,
but
those
those
two
or
three
points
of
connection
are
constant
accidents
and
the
police
are
called
to
those
there's
been
injuries
and
and
so
on,
and
then
the
other
problem
we
specifically
have.
L
If
you
must
have
seen
this
when
you're
on
the
site
inspection,
when
you
go
into
the
golf
club,
it's
it's
a
single
track
road.
It's
a
bridal
way
that
you
go
through
and
and
it's
very
narrow,
there's
a
gateway,
it's
narrow
now
I
know
we've
heard
there's
some
proposals
to
change
a
bit
of
the
metal
and
whatever,
but
the
but
the
essential
nature
of
it
is
it's
inadequate.
L
Our
position
as
residents
is
what's
going
to
happen.
If
you
have
a
200
plus
seat,
banqueting
suite-
and
it's
throwing
out
time
at
one
o'clock
in
the
morning
because
there's
something
on
and
taxis
are
trying
to
get
in,
taxis
are
trying
to
get
out.
People
are
trying
to
get
out
of
the
car
park.
The
lodges
are
trying
to
get
there.
It's
a
disaster,
it's
just
not
suitable
for
the
the
use
that
we're
we're
expecting
to
see
from
this
development.
I
Yes,
thank
you
that
was
very
helpful.
Just
on
on
wider
accessibility,
one
of
the
benefits
described
of
the
scheme
is
being
able
to
widen
participation
for
golf.
Could
you
I'm
quite
familiar
with
the
area,
but
I
think
it's
useful
to
have
it
out
there
for
the
panel.
So
if
you
didn't
own
a
car
and
lived
in
in
the
city
part
of
south
leeds
say
how
would
you
get
from
there
to
wike.
L
Well,
there
is
no,
there
is
no
public
transport.
The
whole
transport
thing
is
is
is
a
big
issue
for
us
and
we
were
surprised
more
wasn't
made
of
it
by
the
by
the
highways
department
to
be
quite
honest,
but
so
there's
no,
no
public
transport
whatsoever
to
to
white.
There
is
to
east
keswick
further
along
where
a
bus
turns
around,
and
you
know
you
can't
you
can
get
there,
you
cannot
get
to
ike.
L
So
if
I,
if
I
I
live
on
the
corner
of
forge
lane,
so
you
go
past
the
school
lane
entrance
about
500
yards
up,
there's
a
bend
and
I
live
on
the
bend
there.
If
I
want
to
get
public
transport,
I
have
to
walk
a
mile
along
the
top
road,
a
white
clay,
and
I
think
that
is
I
I
always
forget
the
name.
I
think
it's
white
white
lane.
L
I
have
to
walk
along
there,
take
my
life
into
my
hands
because
it's
a
narrow
road
and
everyone
speeds
around
there
and
there's
no
footpaths
of
any
description
to
the
a61
and
where
the
the
most
nor
southerly
hereward
gates
are
there's
a
there's,
a
bus.
Stop
there.
The
other
way
I'd
have
to
go
down,
forge
lane
and
turn
left
down
white
lane
and
walk
all
the
way
into
east
kazak
to
find
the
bus.
L
So
the
applicants
have
tried
to
approach
this
and
say:
oh
well,
it's
a
big
green
development
and
we'll
have
ev
charges
and
whatever
the
council
is
very
familiar
with
the
the
transition
to
the
eevee
charging
network.
That's
part
of
what
I
do,
I'm
a
climate
change
advisor
and
renewable
energy
advisor,
and
we
know
that
there's
not
that
many
evs
registered
in
leeds
compared
to
the
traffic
that
can
be
expected
to
this
site.
So
it
is
going
to
be
petrol
vehicles
and
diesel
vehicles.
It
is
going
to
be
pollution.
L
H
Almas,
thank
you
chair.
My
question
is
around
drainage.
You
mentioned
drainage,
so
what
is
the
existing
if
you
like
arrangement
in
terms
of
drainage
and
if
they
have
the
additional
you
know
site
built?
How
would
that
impact
the
place.
L
Well,
I'm
I'm
I'm
not
a
drainage
expert,
so
I
I
I
say
what
I
know
in
relation
to
this,
but
we
we
did
write
to
the
planning
officer
very
recently
because
one
of
the
residents
further
down
from
me.
So
I
live
on
the
bend
on
the
on
the
top
of
forge
lane
where
it
bends
goes
around
the
corner
in
in
the
house.
I
live
in.
L
If
I'm
going
down
towards
the
golf
club,
the
first
house
on
the
right,
the
lady
who
lives
there
is
a
property,
developer
and
they're
particularly
concerned
about
this,
because
if
you
carry
on
you
go
down
a
dip
and
then
up
the
other
side
before
you
get
to
the
junction
with
the
entrance
to
the
golf
club
and
people
who
drive
this
way
will
know
that
that
bottom
part
floods
and
as
I
understand
it,
the
applicant
is
saying
they
will
drain
into
the
back.
L
That
goes
into
that
goes
into
that
stream
at
the
bottom,
which
comes
out
in
east
keswick.
Now
we
wrote
to
the
planning
officer
about
this
because
we
thought
it
was
misleading
in
the
report
that
it
said
that
there
are.
The
drainage
is
not
a
problem,
but
it
clearly
is
because
we
showed
some
photographs
we
sent
in
some
photographs
showing
that
flooding
whenever
it
rains
heavily.
L
Well,
surely
it's
got
to
exacerbate
it?
Maybe
the
planning
office
can
help
me
but
yeah.
I
can't
tell
you
the
technical
side
of
it,
but
I
know
that
the
currently
that
road
floods
and
it
does
it
on
a
frequent
basis,
and
I
can
only
assume
that
it
it
follows
that
if
there's
more
drainage
going
into
that
bank,
then
the
position
must
be
worse
by
definition.
That's
why
that's
our
position.
A
K
A
I
was
just
going
to
frame
it
slightly
differently,
but
it
will
result
in
the
same
information.
You
did
say
earlier
on
that
you
should
have
been
as
residents
invited
to
help
shape
a
development,
and
my
question
very
similarly
to
council
anderson's
was
what
kind
of
development
would
be
acceptable
to
you.
So
it's
just
so.
L
I
was
good
to
say
actually
the
reason
I
said
that
is
what
I
do
is
I
work
on
large
renewable
energy
projects,
principally
solar
farms,
but
some
wind
farms
and
so
on.
So
I'm
very
aware
of
objections
to
those
so
when,
if
I'm
doing
a
solar
farm
and
let's
face
it,
the
mori
polls
show
that
solar
farms
like
80
to
90,
acceptable
to
most
people
these
days,
so
you're
not
really
pushing
the
car
a
pill
on
your
own.
L
But
when
I,
when
I
am
involved
in
a
project-
and
I
only
work
for
local
authority
projects
by
the
way,
I
make
sure
that
the
council
absolutely
bends
over
backwards
to
engage
with
everybody.
So
they
understand
what
it's
about,
how
it'll
work,
what
it's
achieving
everyone
gets
their
chance
to
have
a
say.
So
you
can.
You
can
understand
my
indignation
that
we
have
completely
been
ignored
here
when
we,
when
we
say
ignored,
we
we
mean
ignored.
L
The
applicant,
has
never
bothered
at
all
what
the
residents
think
in
in
like
in
relation
to
this,
but
just
the
substance.
Sorry,
I
will
I'll
beg
your
partner
we'll
go
on
to
the
subject.
Obviously,
the
the
most
important
thing
here
for
us
is
the
holiday
lodges.
I'm
sure
everyone
appreciates
that
this
is
virgin,
green,
beltland
and
and
remember
the
other
thing
here
is
that
when
I
say
I
live
on
the
on
the
corner
there,
I
perhaps
I
should
explain
this.
I
I
live
in
a
passive
house.
L
I
built
the
first
passive
house
in
leeds
and
I
had
to
apply
for
planning
permission
for
that
passive
house,
which
I
got
on.
The
third
attempt
and
other
residents
in
leeds
have
also
applied
for
planning
consent
for
various
things,
and
the
green
belt
has
always
been
a
really
really
big
issue
in
relation
to
this,
and
so
we
were
really
quite
shocked
about
the
idea
of
building
what
was
originally
39
houses
on
virgin
greenbelt
land
that
that
is
our.
That
is
our
biggest
concern.
L
But,
following
on
from
that,
I
I
suspect
residents
are
less
concerned
about
the
foot
golf.
I
suspect,
they're
less
concerned
about
the
the
par
three.
We
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
golf
course.
That's
there
now.
I
thought
the
plan
officer
made
an
excellent
statement
in
saying
it
fits
neatly
in
the
landscape.
You
know
it's
been
there
a
long
time
we're
all
right
with
all
of
that,
but
the
clubhouse,
you
saw
the
photos.
L
The
clubhouse
is
just
gigantic
compared
to
what
it
was
before
and
surely
nobody's
sensibly
saying
they
need
a
health
suite
and
a
swimming
pool,
and
all
the
other
things
and
a
200
seat,
banqueting
suite
to
run
a
golf
course.
I
mean
it,
it
just
doesn't
fall.
This
is
all
about
a
money-making
thing,
so
the
clubhouse
is
the
other
big
problem
that
we
have.
G
L
Have
to
go
out
of
the
site
so
down
school
lane
turn
right
down,
forge
lane
then
go
along
white
ridge
lane
and
the
nearest
shop
would
be
the
one
stop
by
the
dexter
pub
or
the
sainsbury's
local
there's
no
shops,
the
other
way,
which
goes
to
east
keswick
and
there's
no
shops
before
you
get
to
harrogate.
If
you
go
north.
G
Okay
and
regarding
the
special
landscape
as
a
local
resident,
how
do
you
feel
about
the
impact
from
a
distance
like?
Would
it
with
the
changes
proposed
affect
what
you
can
see
from
a
distance
in
the
surrounding
countryside?.
L
Well,
some
of
the
houses
which
you
wouldn't
see
it
from
my
property,
but
you,
but
quite
a
few
properties.
You
would
actually
see
it
from
I
mean.
Actually
there
was
another
point
there
that
you
just
reminded
me
of
when
we,
when
I
talked
about
what
we,
what
we
object
to,
what
we
perhaps
are
less
concerned
about.
One
of
the
actual
problems
that
we
are
concerned
about
is
the
driving
range,
because
the
driving
range
already
has
substantial
lighting
that
that
spreads
out.
L
L
If
you
then
make
that
a
two-storey
extension,
then,
by
definition
the
lights
are
going
to
be
even
bigger
and
there's
a
row
of
houses
along
there
and
the
lighting
is
going
to
all
go
into
into
there,
but
only
some
of
the
houses
will
overlook
it,
but
you
will
definitely
see
its
impact
and
you'll
see
it
from
whitebridge
lane.
You'll
see
it
from
forge
lane
and
you'll
see
it
from
school
lane.
A
A
So
we
now
have
some
speakers
in
support
of
the
application
mr
windrus
and
councillor
counselor
marshall
patel.
I
believe.
A
Well,
thank
you
again
very
much
both
of
you
for
coming
this
afternoon
and
for
putting
your
views
forward.
I
understand
that
you're
going
to
split
the
four
minutes
between
your
two
minutes,
each
you're,
both
more
than
used
to
being
in
that
seat.
So
I
don't
need
to
explain
anything
further
to
you
who's
going
to
begin.
Okay.
Thank
you,
andrew
in
your
own
time,.
E
Thank
you
councillor.
Yes,
andrew
winters
planning
consultant
for
the
application
I'm
joined
to
my
left
by
hannith
malek
from
the
parklane
foundation
and,
as
you
will
all
know,
councillor
katong,
who
will
speak
with
us
as
well,
and
we've
also
got
the
wider
team
with
us
here
as
well,
so
architects
or
the
members
of
the
foundation
and
parkland
group
as
well.
E
If
there
were
any
other
specific
questions,
clearly,
the
the
application
you
see
today
has
responded
to
the
presentation
that
we
made
on
the
the
november
2019,
where
2020,
even
where
a
number
of
comments
were
made
and
the
design
and
the
scale
of
the
scheme
has
been
amended
accordingly.
So
hopefully
that
is
welcomed
by
yourselves
there's
clearly
some
more
issues
that
are
to
be
discussed
today.
The
key
one
I'll
talk
about
will
be
the
the
appropriateness
of
the
development.
E
It
has
been
touched
on
that
sports
facilities
are
appropriate
in
the
green
belt
and
it's
it's
the
the
scale
largely
that
we're
talking
today
with
the
lodges
being
a
separate
element.
So
a
clubhouse
is
an
appropriate
facility,
as
is
a
driving
range.
E
Just
picking
up
on
a
couple
of
the
the
extra
bits
we
have
in
terms
of
the
various
special
circumstances.
We
have
biodiversity
in
that
game,
which
has
been
agreed
by
the
nature
conservation
officer.
We
talk
about
the
local
jobs
which
are
in
the
in
the
report.
E
Furthermore,
is
circa
300
trees
that
will
be
planted
on
the
site
so
having
some
significant
cabin
sequestration
benefits
over
time.
In
that
respect,
and
just
in
terms
of
some
of
those
other
points
have
been
made.
Clearly,
there
are
no
technical
objections
from
officers
with
regard
to
drainage
and
highways,
so
something
that
we're
very
comfortable
and
confident
about
with
regard
to
some
of
the
lighting
points
have
been
made.
A
I
think
that
meant
your
two
minutes
was
over.
Thank
you
was
that
the
end
of
your
statement,
andrew
did
you
have
anything.
D
D
I
always
say
diversity
is
a
fact,
and
our
inclusion
is
a
choice
and
the
fact
that
I
have
been
able
to
work
with
so
many
children
in
our
inner
city
schools
with
this
foundation,
taking
them
to
the
club
playing
foot
golf
I
mean
you
just
need
to
see
the
eyes
of
these
young
children
who,
on
a
normal
day,
would
not
have
that
access
sports
inequality
is
very
huge.
Health
and
fitness
is
very,
very,
is
something
I'm
really
really
passionate
about,
and
I
am
so
pleased
that
this
foundation
has
got
that
ethos
and
that
value.
D
So
for
me,
I
have
joined
them.
I
support
them
because
I
know
exactly
what
they're
doing
with
our
communities,
especially
with
our
children,
who
are
less
privileged
than
so
many
children
who
live
in
that
area.
Where
this
course
is
going
to
be
situated,
so
for
me
here,
their
community
engagement
is
something
that
I
really
really
support.
I
am
in
awe
of
what
they
do
their
humility
and
what
they
give
back
to
our
community.
D
To
me,
it
is
priceless,
so
I
am
here
to
support
this
application
in
terms
of
the
community
engagement
that
I
do
know
that
we
engage
with
especially
with
our
inner
city
schools,
and
we
were
doing
that
until
the
pandemic,
but
as
soon
as
things
have
been
lifted
up
now,
our
kids
are
beginning
to
come
back.
Foot
golf
is
something
that
we
do
with
our
children.
D
It's
just
amazing
to
see
how
these
little
kids
are
playing
for
golf
I
mean
children
that
you
would
never
have
thought,
there's
a
little
girl
called
fatima
from
hair
hills,
primary
school
with
her
scarf.
You
know,
kicking
the
balls
even
better
than
the
boys
and
for
me
those
are
the
kind
of
excitement
that
I
would
like
to
see
that
organizations
who
are
blessed
and
gifted
are
able
to
reach
back
to
our
communities,
and
this
is
one
thing
I
know.
A
F
Thank
you
chair.
The.
F
On
page
45,
in
the
report
on
paragraph
152
and
153,
it
states
that
there's
not
been
enough
information
given
on
viability,
assessment
for
the
for
the
business
case
for
building
on
the
green
belt.
I
was
just
wondering
if
you've
got
more
information
that
can
fill
that
out,
because
clearly,
officers
aren't
comfortable
with
the
level
of
detail,
that's
been
given
and
also
how
many
jobs
would
be
lost
if
the
golf
club
closes.
E
E
F
Forgive
me,
but
in
improving
very
special
circumstances,
the
the
economic
argument
and
the
viability
argument
has
been
put
forward
quite
strongly
by
the
applicant.
So
I
would
like
to
see
more
me
on
the
bone
with
it.
Please.
E
Yeah,
that's
certainly
something
we
can
provide
and
I
suppose
it's
within
the
general
realms
of
the
very
special
circumstances.
Some
of
them
would
be
embedded
within
a
section
106.
Some
such
like
community
use,
which
is
quite
a
typical
element
that
can
go
into
a
section
106
agreement,
in
addition
to
the
the
jobs
and
those
being
local
jobs
and
local
businesses
being
used
to
help
that
club
operate.
So
that's
something
where
again,
it
was
touched
on
in
in
the
office
of
presentation.
E
There
are
some
very
special
circumstances:
the
mechanism
isn't
there.
We
do
have
a
memorandum
of
understanding
and
a
community
use
agreement
in
draft
and
that
just
needs
to
finalize
in
a
section
106
agreed
with
offices.
Clearly,
because
we
had
a
recommendation
of
approval,
that's
not
been
progressed
with
offices,
but
if
we
are
able
to
obviously
negotiate
the
scheme
today,
then
that's
something
that
we'd
be
more
than
happy
to
enter
into.
F
So
the
mppg
advises
it
I'm
just
reading
from
the
report.
Any
viability
assessment
should
follow
the
government.
It's
recommended
approach
to
assessing
viability,
is
set
out
in
this
national
planning
guidance
and
be
proportionate,
simple,
transparent
and
publicly
available,
but
you're
coming
to
panel
with
no
publicly
available
numbers
for
us
to
to
look
at
to
to
assess
whether
there
is
an
economic
need,
like
I'm
saying,
you're,
not
making
our
jobs
very
easy.
E
Sure
that's
where
this
isn't:
it's
not
a
viability
appraisal
to
demonstrate
such
as
affordable
housing
can't
be
delivered
on
a
housing
scheme
by
going
through
the
constructions.
E
There's
a
discussion
document
which
has
been
put
in
which
references
the
losses
that
the
the
club
are
making
and
it
talks
about
the
costs
of
this
development,
the
profit.
This
development
hopes
to
be
able
to
achieve
to
therefore
be
able
to
say,
allow
the
club
to
stand
on
its
own
two
feet
without
external
support.
E
So
there's
a
statement
that's
been
provided
and
that
that
is
is
a
publicly
available
document.
What
there
isn't
is
a
full
construction
analysis
and
things
like
that,
because
it's
not
a
viability
appraisal
in
that
sense,
so
there's
certainly
more
that
could
be
provided
on
that
if
that
was
necessary.
But
so
the
document
is,
is
it's
a
different
approach?
That's
been
taken
in
that
sense,.
A
F
On
from
that
sorry,
I
was
just.
I
was
just
wondering
if
the
officers
would
like
to
fill
in
what
they
found
unacceptable
in
terms
of
what
was
presented.
If,
if
it's
a
case
that
an
assessment
was
submitted.
A
F
Thanks
chair,
I've
got
a
few.
Actually
if
this
application
went
through,
what
assurances
can
you
give
that
the
three
35
holiday
lodges
would
stay
as
holiday
lodges?
My
other
point
is
what
amenities
will
be
provided
by
you.
I,
in
terms
of
a
shop
if
it
went
through,
is
the
adventure
golf
focus
just
for
children
and
my
other
one
is:
why
has
there
been
no
consultation
with
the
community
in
the
last
four
years?.
E
And
respect
of
the
the
the
lodges
then
yes,
they
they
would
only
be
granted
if
they
were
a
a
c
one,
an
inverted
common,
such
bracketed
hotel
use.
So
they
would
need
a
change
of
use
to
convert
to
to
residential
accommodation.
E
They
are
only
overnight
accommodation
associated
with
the
golf
club,
so
they
would,
they
would
stay
in
that
respect
would
need
a
planning
application
to
change
them.
Current
policy
would
not
support
that
change
at
all.
With
regard
to
the
shop
there's
there's
the
professional
shop
on
site
at
the
moment
that
already
stocks,
some
snacks
and
things
like
that,
there's
clearly
the
restaurants
and
the
bar,
and
things
like
that
as
facilitated
these.
The
people
that
are
intended
to
stay
in
the
lodges
are
largely
viewed
to
would
be
eating
on
site.
E
There
is
some
self-catering
and,
I
think,
that's
a
facility
that
could
be
expanded
in
terms
of
the
the
professional
shop
itself,
and
so
they
already
sell
some
food
and
things
that
can
be
expanded
if
people
are
found
to
be,
you
know
wanting
further
provisions
on
sites,
that's
something
that
can
be
comfortably
achieved
with
regards
to
the
adventure
golf
now.
That's
certainly
certainly
for
all
people.
The
design,
as
has
been
stated,
has
not
been
finalized.
E
The
images
you
saw
were
were
fairly
varied
and
it's
something
which
is
it's
quite
a
well
when
this
application
was
submitted
in
2018,
it
was
quite
a
new
idea,
something
to
really
expand
that
that
use
and
engagement
that
that
councillor
marshall
as
referenced.
E
So
that's
certainly
something
intended
for
all
and
with
regard
to
the
the
consultation
that
that
did
it,
the
the
usual
pre-application
consultation,
since
the
application
has
been
submitted
again,
there's
been
further
press
releases.
Further
information
at
the
golf
club
we
we've
met
with
hayward
parish
council
presented
to
the
parish
council
there
that
covers
this
this
site,
and
there
was
no
objections
raised
from
from
the
paris
council
in
hours.
E
The
presentation
to
the
parish
council
just
trying
to
record
last-
I
I
thought
it
was
post
submission
and
I'll
just
double
check,
I'll,
try
and
find
out.
Now
I've
got
the
statement
of
community
involvement
here
I
thought
it
was
but
I'll
just
double
check.
D
Whilst
is
checking,
I
just
want
to
answer
the
questions
about.
How
would
we
ensure
that
we
do
what
we
say?
What
did
what
we
would
do?
Did
you
say
that
counselor
yeah,
so
we
have
agreed
to
have
an
oversight
committee
on
which
I
am
going
to
chair,
and
basically
I
want
to
ensure
that
we
hold
the
organization
accountable
in
all
the
deliverables
and
what
they
say.
They're
going
to
do
so
I'll,
be
looking
I'll,
be
chairing
that
committee
going
forward.
Thank
you.
E
A
Okay,
so
I
do
have
councillors
anderson
smith
and
lam,
and
I
have
to
apologize
to
you
that
I
didn't
see
which
order
you
put
your
hands
up
in.
Do
you
mind
if
I
take
you
in
the
order,
I
wrote
you
down.
Okay,
council
around
us.
K
A
number
of
points
one
is:
I'm
not
satisfied
with
your
answer
on
consultation,
not
satisfied
at
all
with
that
or
you
you
might
have
even
said
just
now.
Well,
yes,
we
will
consult.
K
You
know
that
would
even
be
one
way
out
of
it,
but
you
didn't
even
come
up
with
that,
but
the
questions
two
questions.
One
you've
submitted
a
large
application
here
today
with
a
number
of
different
facets
to
it.
K
What
would
you
be
willing
to
break
bulk
as
I
call
it
to
try
and
get
this
more
manageable,
because
you
know
the
lodgies
are
one
thing
totally
different
from
you
know:
adventure
golf
and
various
other
things,
so
I
think
you
know.
K
If
it's
attractive
to
all
human
beings
in
the
planet,
then
all
of
a
sudden,
the
number
of
potential
people
who
are
going
to
be
traveling
in
the
area
increase
exponentially.
You
know.
So
how
did
you
manage
to
submit
your
highways
plan?
If
you
didn't
know
the
fine
detail
on
where
you
were
going
with
that.
E
With
regard
to
the
the
highway
submission
that
the
adventure
golf
is,
is
a
very
small
part
of
the
wider
proposal,
certainly
limited
number
of
holes,
it
will
be
and
a
small
element
of
the
wider
scheme.
Clearly
the
18-hole
golf
course
the
the
path
three
course
lodges
themselves
been
main
generators.
So
it's
a
relatively
small
amount.
The
highways
office
may
be
able
to
expand
on
the
more
technical
side
than
than
myself,
but
there
are
assumptions
that
are
made
in
transport
assessment.
E
Yes
we're
happy
to
to
continue
discussions
with
members.
Again
we
presented
previously
comments
were
made
on
design
the
number
of
lodges,
the
make
up
of
the
lodges
and
some
other
elements,
and
we've
sought
to
respond
to
that,
and
that's
certainly
something
that
we
would
be
happy
to
discuss
further
after
after
today
or
during
today,.
K
E
Yes,
in
the
the
event
of
the
clubhouse
was
was
open
to
all
visitors.
That
was
something
that
I
believe
was
was
quite
well
attended.
E
After
the
initial
letter
drop
went
out
into
our
office,
we
received
some
letters
and
calls
from
there
and
that's
continued
to
say
that
I
do
recall
I
can't
find
the
date,
but
I
do
recall
that
the
paris
council
meeting
was
in
the
last
four
years
post
submission
and
then
there's
been
continued,
why
they
published
it,
and
we
would
be
happy
to
me,
of
course,
to
to
engage
in
a
constructive
discussion.
Certainly.
K
K
So
you've
listened
to
what's
been
said
at
the
various
consultation
events
you've
had
so
far,
don't
you
think
it
would
have
made
sense
to
have
consulted
with
the
changes
that
you
made
as
well,
so
that
you
brought
the
community
with
you,
because
it
certainly
sounds
to
me
as
the
you've
not
taken
the
community
with
you
when
you've
made
the
amendments,
you
have
changed
and
not
you
know
that's
a
plus
point,
but
don't
you
think
in
retrospect
it
would
have
been
better
to
have
kept
the
community
involved
at
all
stages
of
your
journey.
E
That
that
is
something
I
always
advocate
to
to
all
my
clients
and
that,
and
that
has
the
views
of
the
local
community
have
been
very
clear
in
terms
of
their
responses
when
they've
been
advertised
with
regard
to
those
changes.
That
was
very
clear.
The
changes
were
made
after
the
last
presentation
and
views
were
coming
in
we've.
E
We,
we
read
those
views,
we
we
do
take
them
on
board
them
and
where
possible,
we
will
we'll
accommodate
them,
but
I
think
you've-
hopefully
I
think,
got
the
the
idea
from
the
report
that
the
the
views
are
quite
clear
as
a
no
full
stop
and-
and
that's
where
we
we
perhaps
haven't
taken
that
further,
because
we
didn't
think
that
there
would
be
such
constructive
engagements
in
that.
In
that
way,.
A
Do
you
want
to
go
back
counselor
answers?
Not
can
we
yeah
okay,
so
councillor
smith,
please.
J
Thank
you,
chair,
I'd
like
to
ask
one
question,
get
the
response,
and
then,
if
I
may,
I've
got
a
follow-up.
Thank
you
so
eco
lodges,
what
makes
them
an
eco
lodge?
Please
could
you
explain
their
full
credentials
in
real
terms,
so
the
water
use
the
recycling
of
the
water
traffic
movement,
the
light
pollution,
the
wildlife
corridors
and
all
those
lovely
things.
Please.
Thank
you.
E
Sure
we
have
a
sustainability
consultant
on
board.
Unfortunately
he's
one
of
the
consultants
that
isn't
here
today
and
I've
got
that
there
so
crib
sheet
here,
so
so
using
this,
they
they
reference
the
low
and
zero
carbon
technologies,
including
district
heating,
air
and
ground
source
heat
pump
holes
to
become
to
explore
combined
heat
and
power.
The
eco
lodges
themselves,
they've
been
designed
to
net
zero
carbon
emissions,
circa
700
square
meters
of
solar,
pv
and
air
source,
heat
pumps,
increased
insulation
and
new
value
performance.
E
E
Can't
see
it
a
litres
on
the
water,
but
I
will
just
have
a
check
in
another
statement
as
well
as
we
talk
and
just
unfortunately
just
been
informed.
The
parish
council
meeting
a
reference
was
december
2018
after
after
the
application
was,
was
submitted.
A
Not
to
cut
you
out
to
council
smith,
I
know
you
have
another
point
that
you're
up
to
and
you
want
the
rest
of
the
information
on
this
question.
May
I
ask
councillor
marshall
cartoga
question:
while
this
information
is
being
solved,
councillor
marshall
katung,
like
you,
I
really
do
champion
community
engagement
and
it's
something
that
I
think
we
all
as
councillors
work
towards
it's
a
very,
very
important
aspect
of
this
application.
A
It
doesn't
say
a
huge
amount
in
the
report
about
how
that's
achieved.
So.
Could
you
tell
us
how
the
I
think
it's
school
children
that
you
you
were
talking
about?
How
do
they
access
the
club
on
what
basis
and
what
kind
of
transport
is
used
for
that
as
a
councillor
for
a
ward
elsewhere
in
the
city?
I'm
I'm
particularly
interested
to
know
that
okay.
D
I'll,
let
haney
speak
on
that,
but
I'll
give
you
a
typical
example
of
the
last
one
that
we
did
so
we
invited
six
different
schools
in
the
city,
so
schools
that
didn't
have
when
we
sent
out
the
letters
schools
that
didn't
have
transport
would
let
us
know-
and
we
arranged
that
so
we
had
little
london.
We
have
schools
from
hair
hills,
venom
rose
band,
different
schools,
most
schools
that
we
invited
had
their
own
transport
or,
if
you
didn't,
have
your
own
transport.
The
parklane
group
arranged
that.
M
Thank
you,
council,
abigail,
good
afternoon,
colleagues,
I
I
did
register
to
speak
chair,
maybe
an
administrative
area
if
I
may
just
elaborate
hanif
malik,
director
of
the
foundation
and
somebody
who's
been
extensively
involved
within
this
city
for
over
25
years.
Some
of
you
know
me,
through
my
my
work,
largely
as
chief
executive
of
the
hamara
center
and
those
25
years
have
primarily
been
involved
with
the
volunteering
community
sector.
M
So
my
expertise
and
my
passion
is
very
much
tackling
inequalities
at
all
levels,
whether
that's
health,
edi
education,
whatever
that
might
be
when
the
partly
foundation
approached
me
two
years
ago.
To
ask
me
if
I
wanted
to
come
on
board
to
lead
the
development
of
their
foundation.
My
interest
wasn't
profit-making
or
development
of
golf
centers.
It
was
very
much
about
what
was
their
sincerity
around
using
the
partly
group
and
the
foundation
for
wider
good
and
as
council
abigail
has
already
alluded
to.
M
That's
absolutely
been
there
in
110
and
the
25
years
of
my
experience
would
have
very
quickly
shown
me.
Otherwise.
I've
listened
with
close
intent
to
the
office's
comments
and,
with
due
respect,
I
think
what
he
has
failed
to
get
across
are
the
very
considerable
wider
community
benefits
that
approval
of
this
proposal
would
lead
to.
M
Yes,
that
mou
is
a
draft
mou,
but
most
mousse
are
until
there's
there's
some
more
substance
that
you
can
put
on
to
them
so
to
bring
together
potentially
our
three
professional
sports
foundations
lead
united
as
a
lifelong
fan,
hopefully
still
in
the
premiership.
Next
year,
legion
rhinos,
yorkshire,
cricket
leeds
beckett,
university
and
leeds
city
college,
all
of
whom
I've
met
both
individually
and
collectively,
to
come
on
board
to
widen
that
engagement
and
actually
expand
that
initial
investment
of
300
000
pounds
into
something.
Much
more
significant,
I
believe,
is
absolutely
very
special
circumstances.
M
This
is
not
just
about
developing
a
salubrious
environment
for
those
who
can
afford
it.
This
is
about,
as
karen
slabygill
has
said,
so
the
work
that
we've
been
piloting
so
again,
I
I
would,
with
apologies,
have
to
differ
that
we're
already
doing
this
work,
we're
piloting
this
work,
but
this
would
allow
us
to
expand
it
to
a
degree
where
it
aligns
itself.
M
Very
closely
to
some
of
the
key
local
authority
strategies
that
all
of
my
respected
colleagues
around
this
table
are
involved
with
whether
that's
health
inequalities,
whether
that's
continuing
to
contribute
to
the
great
ofsted
report
we've
just
received
as
a
city.
This
is
about
allowing
communities
about
disadvantaged
young
people
to
attend
a
facility
that
invent
in
turn
gives
them
a
stepping
stone
into
lead
city
college
into
the
professional
sports
foundation
and
gives
them
a
second
chance
in
life.
Mr
sill,
the
objector
is
partly
correct.
M
M
The
foundation
has
no
intention
of
taking
that
investment
for
any
other
purpose,
then
putting
it
back
into
use
for
wider
community
good,
and
I
really
do
think
that,
while
I
fully
appreciate
that
this
is
greenville
and
that
you
have
to
look
at
that
policy,
there
just
has
not
been
enough
debate,
discussion
and
questions
on
those
wider
benefits
that
this
brings.
I
just
want
to
finish
on
this
point.
Yes,
this
will
be
a
regional
golf
facility,
but
this
is
not
about
elitism
and
excellence,
we're
not
looking
for
the
next
lee
westwood
or
the
next
nick
valdo.
M
With
the
rna
golf
foundation
and
with
a
number
of
schools,
they
finished
that
meeting
by
saying
that
they
had
approached
a
number
of
other
golf
clubs
in
the
vicinity,
and
we
were
the
only
golf
club
that
was
receptive
and
that's
one
example
of
many
where
we
have
been
receptive.
So
this
is
about
opening
up
the
golf
facility.
It's
about
widening
those
services
to
the
bigger
community
here
in
leeds
and
not
just
about
some
of
the
profit
making,
and
it
certainly
is
not
centre
parks.
You
know
I
do
have
to
object
to
that.
M
A
Thank
you
very
much
indeed,
that's
very
helpful.
Are
we
ready
with
the
information
counselor
smith
requested
on
water
consumption.
E
I
do
have
our
sustainability
statement,
which,
which
refers
to
some
finer
detail
in
the
appendices
which
I
can't
quite
get
through
quickly
enough
on
my
phone.
But
what's
mana
management
strategy
has
been
developed
and
is
reflected
within
the
brilliant
pre-pre-assessment
report
by
our
sustainability
consultant.
E
A
J
Go
back
councillor
smith.
Thank
you
chair.
It
didn't
answer
any
of
my
other
things
about
the
other
credentials
on
the
ecolodges,
the
traffic
movement
numbers
the
light
pollution
that
it
cause
or
the
wildlife
corridors
before
I
actually
go
back
to
my
my
next
question,
but
I
don't
think
the
gentleman
is
going
to
have
the
answers
if
I'm
truthful.
J
E
With
regards
to
the
wider
credentials,
that
was
some
of
the
information
I
read
out,
so
the
ecologism
in
particular,
so
net
zero
carbon
emissions,
the
700
square
meters
of
solar,
pv
associated
with
this
scheme
and
air
source
heat
pump,
the
green
roofs
and
some
of
the
other
elements
that
I
can
re
read
out
again
as
you
wish
in
terms
of
the
biodiversity
I
do.
First,
we've
done
a
net
gain
calculation,
which
shows
an
increase
in
what
is
quite
a
low
baseline
on
the
site.
So,
whereas
it
it
looks
great
lots
of
green
grass.
E
E
With
regards
to
the
to
the
light
light
pollution
again,
that's
something
which
a
sustainability
consultant
has
looked
at
and
does
talk
about
it
in
in
more
detail,
and
I
can
try
and
find
a
little
bit
more
on
that,
but
primarily
the
the
lights
that
are
there
largely
using
in
the
clubhouse.
Sorry
in
the
driving
range
are
older
lights,
which
are
not
the
greatest
piece
of
technology,
as
would
be
today.
E
The
the
new
golf
driving
range
will
clearly
focus
on
all
focusing
the
lights
down
the
latest
type
of
lighting
facility
to
ensure
that
there
isn't
the
light
spillage.
The
the
driving
range
closes
at
eight
o'clock
at
night
in
in
the
winter
is
open
until
nine
o'clock
at
the
moment.
But
of
course,
there
are
the
lights
on
at
that
time.
Anyway.
I
Thank
you
chair.
I've
got
a
councillor
anderson
style
list
of
of
things,
I'm
afraid,
so
I
I
want
to
start
on
engagement
and
I'll.
Just
ask
the
question:
do
you
agree
with
me
that
development,
particularly
of
this
scale,
should
be
done
with
communities
not
to
them,
and
if
you
agree
with
that,
why
are
you
doing
it
to
them
and
not
doing
it
with
them?
That's
my
first
question.
E
Yes,
I
do
absolutely
always,
as
I
always
advise,
that
I
give
to
to
clients
and
applicants,
and
this
is
something
where
there
has
been
the
pre-application
engagement.
There
have
been
open
events,
there
have
been
letters
and
calls
responded,
so
I
took
I
think,
two
two
last
week
in
in
the
office.
Could
it
have
been
better?
Yes,
yes,
I
think
it
could
have
been
better.
E
We
went
to
the
parish
council
also,
that's
that's
often
again,
the
very
typical
way
of
being
able
to
engage
with
one
contact,
typically,
the
clerk
at
the
barriers
council
typically
to
stay.
We
would
like
to
present
to
you
an
open
meeting,
invite
people
along
and
we'll
be
there
and
answering
questions,
which
is
something
which
which
we
did
do
that.
Clearly,
this
application's
been
an
awful
long
time
that
clearly
could
have
been
been
more
in
that
time.
Yeah.
I
Okay,
I'll
leave
that
there
I'll
I'll
deal
with
the
rest
of
points
in
one
go
because
they're
all
kind
of
tied
together,
so
I
just
want
to
preface
it
by
thanking
mister.
Was
it
mr
malik,
for
what
you
just
set
out
was
was
really
impressive.
The
the
aims
are
highly
laudable.
I'd
be
really
interested
to
meet
with
you
outside
of
the
meeting
and
learn
more
more
about
that
councillor.
I
Marshall
catton's
always
impressive
and
passionate,
but
this
is
a
planning
application
and
I'm
bringing
it
back
to
the
planning
issues
that
we
have
to
discuss.
What
I
struggle
to
see
is
that
there's
a
few
issues
that
I
wonder
if
you
can,
I
was
really
pleased
to
hear
that
young
people
are
accessing
this
facility
now
on
a
regular
basis.
I
What
that
tells
me
is
you
don't
need
to
do
this
development
to
make
it
accessible
to
young
people
across
the
city?
It
already
is
you're
already
doing
that,
so
there's
no
special
circumstance
there.
You
could
do
more
of
that
anyway,
around
viability
has
been
touched
on.
I
know
business
well.
There
are
many
ways
that
you
could
close
this
deficit,
that
you've
got
as
a
business
and
continue
to
do
the
fantastic
aims
that
you've
just
set
out
without
building
35
lodges
in
the
green
belt
and
all
the
things
that
go
with
it.
M
M
I
strongly
believe
that
young
people
should
not
be
at
a
disadvantage
just
because
they
reside
in
hills
or
hyde
park
or
kippax
or
middleton,
and
so
the
aim
to
actually
engage
those
young
people
with
these
facilities
will
lead,
as
I
said
earlier,
to
much
wider,
tangible
outcomes
that
go
beyond
just
the
physical
landscape
and
environment
that
we're
looking
at
today.
M
M
Our
pilot
work
with
those
schools
and
community
organizations
has
strongly
demonstrated
that
there's
a
very
minimal
impact
on
increased
traffic.
They
tend
to
arrive
in
the
minibuses,
so
there's
usually
about
16
of
them.
We
stagger
the
facility
throughout
the
week,
so
there's
never
any
one
given
time
where
a
peak
period
results
in
very
heavy
traffic
flow.
But,
as
I
say,
I
do
strongly
believe
and
based,
as
I
said
my
six
years
experience
with
sport,
england
having
seen
a
whole
plethora
of
these
types
of
initiatives.
M
That
way
you
provide
and
if
you'll
excuse
the
phrase
second-class
facilities
to
our
young
people
in
this
city
or
indeed
anywhere
else,
then
the
outcomes
are
not
sustainable
and
what
we're
wanting
to
do
is
actually
result
in
sustainable
engagement,
as
I
say
initially
using
this
facility
as
a
stepping
stone,
but
then
moving
them
on
on
that.
That's
whether
that's
with
the
college
or
leech
back
at
university
or
any
of
our
other
partners
within
our
referral
mechanism,
that
that's
the
wider
room.
M
I'm
not
an
expert
on
on
the
lodges.
That's
not
my
fault.
I'd
have
to
hand
over
to
andrew,
but
what
I
would
absolutely
accept
is
that
without
the
income
that
the
wider
development
brings,
it
doesn't
give
us
as
a
foundation
the
the
level
of
finance
that
would
enable
us
to
do
what
we
would
like
to
do.
That
hopefully
eloquently
outlined.
E
Just
one
point
of
clarity:
there
isn't
a
swimming
pool
in
the
scheme.
There
is
the
the
small
spa
area,
but
but
not
a
swimming
pool
again,
also
to
be
ancillary
to
the
wider
operation
of
the
club
use
and
hopefully
improving
that
business
again,
I'm
not
a
businessman,
but
I'm
sure
there
are.
There
are
various
ways.
This
is
one
which
has
been
sought
to
provide
the
facilities
that
that
helps
facilitate
the
community
engagement,
the
number
of
lodges.
Could
it
be
a
different
number?
E
Yes,
quite
possibly,
I'm
sure
it
could
it's
something
where
again
it's
trying
to
provide
that
regional
attraction,
not
just
for
this
gold
center,
but
the
others
in
that
that
north
leeds
green
belt?
That's
the
green
golf
belt.
That's
been
mentioned
again,
there's
some
some
other
fantastic
courses
in
the
area
which
do
not
have
their
own
accommodation,
have
sought
to
try
and
do
state
and
play
type
offerings
for
for
tourist
golf,
but
it
hasn't
worked
because
they
haven't
been
the
appropriate
places
to
stay.
E
A
Do
you
have
more
questions
counselor,
you
leave
it
there?
Okay,
councillor
flint,
please.
G
Thank
you.
I
think
council
alum
covered
my
main
questions,
but
just
again
about
the
how
we
justify
the
economic
benefit.
I
don't
know
if
I
can
ask,
but
we've
been
given
the
figure
120
000
pounds
a
year
deficit.
I
wonder
if
I
could
ask
like
how
many
years
or
how
long
has
that
been
a
deficit?
G
Is
it
to
do
with
covid,
and
is
it
something
that
would
kind
of
rebalance,
because
I
guess
most
businesses,
you
know-
have
experienced
a
deficit
after
the
last
couple
of
years
and
then
just
a
question
about
trees
like
when
we
were
there
today
in
the
area
where
the
lodges
will
be
built,
it's
clear
that
some
trees
will
be
lost,
and
I
know
that
you
said
there
would
be
a
net
gain,
but
there's
some
well-established
trees
there,
and
I
just
appreciate
more
information
about
how
many
trees
would
be
lost.
E
three
up
300
is
the
the
circa
number
that
is
shown
on
the
landscape
plan
has
been
proposed,
so,
yes,
there
are
some
to
be
removed.
We
can
clearly
consider
exploration
of
that
if
the
number
of
lodges
was
was
to
change
in
terms
of
the
deficit
that
that
figure,
the
there's
a
financial
appraisal
review
and
some
summary
financial
appraisal,
they
were
from
2020-
if
I
remember
rightly
so,
they
were
slightly
after
the
submission,
so
those
figures
were
pre-covered
based
on
pre-coded
and
clearly.
E
A
Is
that
sufficient
councillor
flynn
yep
counter
almas,
please
thank.
H
You
chair
now,
whilst
every
planning
application
is
obviously
unique,
that's
why
we're
here
and
it's
quite
a
vague
sort
of
terminology,
the
exceptional
circumstances,
as
well
now,
and
I've
known
some
of
your
colleagues
here
for
years.
You
know
work
in
the
third
sector
and
so
on.
H
And
secondly,
my
colleague
counselor
katong,
mentioned
around
engagement
and
all
that
in
terms
of
school
kids,
what
sort
of
engagement
or
benefits
have
you
got
for
the
children,
not
just
from
this
wider
city
but
from
within,
say
a
couple
of
miles
radius,
because
I'm
sure
you
would
have
schools
within
the
next
within
the
two
miles
radius
of
the
actual
site,
so
as
a
resident,
if
I
was
a
resident
there
living
close
by?
How
would
this
benefit
me
and
outweigh
you
know
in
terms
of
the
exceptional
circumstances?
Thank
you.
M
Thank
you,
council.
Almost.
If
I
can
just
put
your
last
point
up.
First,
we've
spoken
about
the
the
wider
engagement
across
the
city,
but
obviously
we
absolutely
recognize
that
the
more
local
engagement
is
also
something
that's
that's
very
important.
M
We
do
tend
to
to
attract
a
number
of
young
people
from
the
immediate
vicinity,
as
you
would
expect,
because
it's
if
you
like,
on
their
doorstep
and
it's
more
affordable
for
for
that
type
of
of
community
andrew,
has
already
alluded
to
to
the
fact
that
we
are
very
keen
to
work
more
closely
with
that
local
community
to
not
only
overcome
some
of
the
objections
that
were
raised,
but
to
try
to
ensure
that
a
disruption
is
minimal
but
b
that
the
services
are
complementary
for
those
residents
who
who
reside
around
the
club
and
the
second
point,
I've
had
a
look
at
the
figures,
not
not
in
detail,
but
I
I
think
the
two
key
points
which
have
already
been
made
is
that
one
even
outside
of
a
pandemic
golf
clubs
per
se,
are
not
the
most
profitable
venture.
M
That's
why
a
number
of
them
continue
to
to
close
in.
Indeed,
you
will
all
be
aware
that
even
our
local
municipality
courses
have
sadly
largely
been
been
closed
over
the
last
few
years,
so
the
development
allows
us
to
to
make
a
profit
at
the
moment,
as
I
say
subsidized
by
the
wider,
partly
group
but
we'd
be
very
happy
to
include
local
residents
on
the
steering
group
that
councillor
katong
said
that
we're
absolutely
committed
to
putting
in
place.
M
We
want
to
give
you
the
absolute
reassurance
that
there
is
nothing
sinister
if
for
one
of
a
better
phrase
in
in
terms
of
this,
this
development
other
than
what
we're
putting
across
and
if
local
residents
wished
to
partake
in
that
decision-making
process
and
influence
the
future
direction
of
travel
around
how
the
facility
operates.
Then
absolutely
yes,
we'd,
be
we'd,
be
very
keen
on
that.
We're
not
here
to
try
and
upset
anybody.
We
take
into
account
the
golf
club
is
situated
in
celebrity
surroundings.
M
D
Could
I
add
something
here
as
well?
Yes,
please
do.
Thank
you,
councillor
gohar,
in
terms
of
the
children,
why
I
was
particularly
concentrating
on
children
from
outside
of
the
area
is
because
lots
of
the
children
that
live
in
that
area,
I
will
class
them
as
privileged
children.
They
go
to
schools
around
that
area.
They
have
some
of
the
facilities
that
are
already
in
the
golf
club
and
outside
of
that
area.
D
We
have
lots
of
children
that
have
never
seen
that
kind
of
green
before
we
have
lots
of
children
who
do
not
even
know
what
how
what
how
to
even
play
golf
not
to
talk
about
foot
golf.
So
for
me,
it's
trying
to
bridge
the
inequalities
in
our
children
and
sports.
Golf
is
looked
upon
as
an
elitist
sport
and
we're
trying
to
let
young
people
know
that,
if
they're,
given
the
opportunity,
they
also
care.
D
And
that's
the
only
reason
why
we're
doing
our
best
to
reach
out
to
schools
that
are
outside
that
area
and
bring
children
from
deprived
areas
into
those
areas.
And
let
them
know
how
far
their
imagination.
And
that
is
the
opportunity
for
them
to
learn
a
different
sport
that
they're
not
used
to
seeing
in
their
own
schools.
A
Thank
you.
Would
you
like
to
come
back
councilor
almas.
H
And
the
follow-up
to
that
would
be
in
terms
of
the
actual
sustainability,
so,
for
example,
if
the
outcome
is
today
is
not
in
favor
of
your
application,
what
implications
would
you
have
in
terms
of
the
actual
day-to-day
running
or
to
the
organization
I'd
be
interested
to
find
that
place.
M
So
there's
there's
two
elements
to
to
that:
council
must
have.
The
first
is
the
golf
club
itself
and,
as
I
directly
get
involved
with
the
the
operations
and
the
running
of
the
golf
club,
the
the
information
I
have
seen
leads
me
to
respond
to
your
question
by
saying
it's
unsustainable
in
in
the
longer
term,
and
as
I
just
mentioned
a
few
minutes
earlier,
there's
lots
of
national
research
that
that
verifies.
M
That
is
the
case
for
most
golf
clubs
other
than
those
and
that
are
member-only
golf
clubs
in
places
like
al
woodley
and
morton
that
have
the
privilege
of
a
membership
that
can
afford
membership
fees.
So,
unfortunately,
we
cannot.
As
far
as
the
foundation
is
concerned,
the
foundation
will
continue,
but
sadly
it
would
only
be
able
to
deliver
a
fraction
of
what
is
possible
if
this
was
approved
again.
M
We're
very
happy
to
commit
into
an
agreement
of
whatever
would
be
acceptable
to
colleagues
around
this
table
around
that
financial
commitment
from
the
proceeds
of
the
golf
club
and
for
it
to
go
directly
to
the
foundation
and
in
turn
to
the
wider
causes
that
we've
spoken
about
this
afternoon.
J
Thank
you
chair.
So
I've
listened
to
the
debate
and-
and
I'm
I'm
you
know
very
behind,
but
I'm
fully
behind
everything
you've
said
in
in
terms
of
giving
all
children-
and
you
know,
opportunities
that
they
wouldn't
ordinarily
receive
so
going
back
to
the
application.
J
I'm
a
little
bit
puzzled.
If
you
really
want
to
go
down
the
play
and
stay
golf
route
and
ensure
the
club's
sustainable
future,
why
you've
gone
for
a
spa
instead
of
hotel
rooms,
because
then
you
wouldn't
need
the
eco
lodges,
which
would
mean
that
you
wouldn't
need
as
much
investment
and
probably
wouldn't
cause
as
much
upset
in
the
community
or
damage
to
the
environment.
So,
whilst
I'm
absolutely
not
changing
your
application
in
any
way,
I
just
would
like
to
explore
the
reasoning
behind
that.
If
I
may
please
thank
you.
E
I
suppose
I
can
expanding
that.
The
spa
is,
is
quite
a
small,
physically,
a
small
piece
of
the
development
that
you
wouldn't
provide
a
anywhere
near
the
number
of
rooms
that
would
be
required
again
to
make
something
as
a
stay
and
play
offer
viable.
That
would
be
just
a
handful
of
bedrooms.
E
I
think
you
know
in
almost
individual
bedrooms,
that's
where
the
lodges
offer
more,
in
that
sense,
more
in
quantum
and
a
different
type
of
accommodation,
and
I
think
I
think
it's
it's
put
on
the
basis
of
a
lot
of
golf
holidays
that
can
be
with
societies
where
number
of
people
going
together.
E
Half
a
dozen
dozen
dozen
people
going
away
and
can
stay
in
those
lodges
where
you
have
the
the
element
of
going
back
and
relaxing
into
that
accommodation
of
an
evening,
not
just
literally
sleeping
and
going
downstairs
for
every
single
meal
and
every
every
single
thing.
On
the
golf
course.
It
was
also
considered
for
a
wider
families
as
well.
Somebody
coming
to
the
area
and
playing
golf
part
of
the
group
playing
the
others
going
off
to
visit
all
the
tourist
sites,
all
playing
the
adventure
golf
as
well.
E
A
Thank
you
councillor,
mitchell,
please
thank
you.
F
Chair
again,
my
question
is
around
the
revenue
really
and
the
financial
viability.
It
sounds
as
if
the
drop
in
revenue
being
over
a
period
of
time,
so
it's
not
just
a
direct
effect
of
covid
and
I
just
wondered
what
the
main
reasons
were
for
that.
F
If
you
could
expand
on
it
and
if
one
of
those
I'm
assuming
membership
probably
has
a
big
part
to
play
in
that,
has
any
work
been
done
around
looking
at
the
membership
and
changes
there,
because
you
mentioned
that
some
of
the
other
local
golf
clubs
were
more
successful
because
of
the
way
their
membership
was
set
up,
so
has
any
work
been
done
around
that
first,
just
to
see
whether
that's
an
option
rather
than
go
for
the
you
know,
obviously
the
larger
impact
on
the
green
belt?
Thank
you.
M
If
I
can
just
respond
to
that
initially,
I
I
think,
if
I'm
maybe
a
little
bit
more
frank
in
terms
of
what
I
was
saying
earlier,
is
that
they
just
charge
much
higher
levels
of
membership
because
they
operate
within
environments
where
the
local
community
and
their
members
can
afford
those
types
of
fees.
We
deliberately
attempt
to
be
an
affordable
and
accessible
facility,
so
the
first
part
is
that,
by
increasing
our
fees,
we
would
deter
a
number
of
our
members
who
are
able
to
to
play.
M
The
second
thing
that
we
attempt
to
do
is,
rather
than
just
focus
on
running
it
as
a
fully
commercial
operation
which,
as
I
say,
would
replicate
what
most
of
the
golf
clubs
do
where
it's
just
about
members
and
charging
the
highest
possible
level.
You
can,
and
we
attempt,
as
I
said,
to
ensure
that
we've
got
more
of
a
balance
between
members,
people
who
can
just
simply
turn
up
and
play
and
then
the
use
that's
subsidized
for
younger
children,
schools
and
community
organizations.
M
As
I
say,
I'm
not
I'm
not
somebody
who's
got
a
commercial
background
that
would
imagine
just
to
turn
it
into
another
golf
facility.
Would
be
possible,
but
that's
not
the
desire
or
the
intention
of
the
partly
group
or
indeed
the
foundation
that
I
head
up,
because
it
then
just
becomes
as
say
another
facility
that
becomes
inaccessible
to
large
numbers
of
not
only
young
people,
but
communities
and
councillor
abigail
elliot
alluded
to
the
fact
that
it's
about
playing
golf.
Yes,
it
is,
but
actually
allowing
them
to
access.
M
F
You
mentioned
that
other
clubs
obviously
increase
the
fees
to
make
them
viable.
Has
anyone
looked
at
reducing
fees
to
have
a
bigger
membership,
or
is
the
club
at
capacity
in
terms
of
membership,
but
obviously
you're
not
able
to
therefore
open
it
up
and
you're
having
to
to
deal
with
the
pricing
that
you.
M
So
one
of
the
ironies
and
very
very,
very
few
upsides
of
the
pandemic
was
that
golf
clubs
actually
increased
the
membership
and
became
busier
largely
because
they
were
one
of
the
few
facilities
that
the
government
allowed
access
to
when
most
of
the
facilities
were
particularly
indoors.
M
One
were
were
closed,
but
that
short
term
upward
trajectory
is
is
not
something
that's
sustainable
longer
term,
it's
a
very
fine
balance
counselor
between
trying
to
raise
fees,
lower
them
and
get
them
somewhere
right
in
in
the
middle
golf's,
slightly
unique
in
in
terms
of
the
way
its
membership
is,
is
set
up
the
the
reduction
in
in
fees
we
I
couldn't
say
for
definitely
we've
looked
at,
but
but
again
from
the
work
that
we've
undertaken
so
far,
wouldn't
lead
to
the
sustainable
levels
that
we're
seeking.
M
There
is
a
situation
that
we're
already
facing,
where
it
subsidized
to
the
extent
of
six
figures
by
the
parent
body.
M
The
subsidy
wouldn't
be
made
up
by
reducing
the
fees
and
trying
to
engage
the
wider
volume
that
the
ratio
is
just
not
there
in
terms
of
the
capacity
that's
available
to
engage
it's
not
if
I
give
you
knowledge,
it's
not
like
a
gym
where
they
put
something
up
at
9.99
and
try
to
attract
several
thousand
members,
most
of
whom
don't
use
the
gym
like
myself,
but
still
keep
the
direct
debit.
It's
a
it's.
A
different
operating
mod.
A
Okay,
any
further
questions,
councilor
anderson.
E
A
Thank
you.
I
think
that
brings
us
to
the
close
of
questions
to
the
speakers.
So
thank
you
very
much
indeed,
all
three
of
you
for
joining
us.
It
may
be
that
we
call
you
back
for
further
questions
if
we
need
to
during
the
debate.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
members
will
take
questions
to
officers
and
then
I'll
suggest
a
five-minute
comfort
break
before
we
go
to
the
debate.
B
Respond
to
council
anderson's
point
on
the
climate
change
policies.
Let's
start
with.
I
think
we've
covered
these
in
paragraphs,
one
two,
nine
and
one
thirty,
where
we've
considered
the
the
development.
B
It's
a
major
development,
so
developments
about
scale
need
to
to
meet
the
carbon
reduction
targets
and
the
the
renewable
energy
requirements
and
the
en2,
which
is
is
meeting
the
brian
excellent
standard
and,
as
andrew
the
agent
pointed
out,
they
have
submitted
a
one
of
the
key
changes
since
when
it
came
from
a
as
a
position
statement
to
to
determination
now
is
they've
done
quite
a
lot
more
work
on
the
sustainability
elements
and
they've
actually
produced
a
document
showing
how
they're
going
to
meet
these
elements,
and
in
particular,
they've
had
brienne
do
their
initial
assessments
that
have
come
back
saying.
K
What
I
accept
that
explanation
and-
and
I
can
improve
that
further-
but
what
about
the
whole
life
costs
of
the
carbon,
because
you've
got
the
carbon
cost
of
building
it?
I
mean
what
it
is.
The
reason
I'm
asking
the
question
is
because
we're
after
special
circumstances
in
order
to
justify
development
in
the
green
belt,
I
would
have
thought
we
need
to
satisfy
ourselves
that
this
development
meets
our
climate
change
initiatives
that
we've
come
forward
as
a
council
and
that
we
are
making
sure
that
there
will
be
no
carbon
problems
further
down
the
line.
K
K
I
don't
care
energy
they're
not
going
to
be
using
electric
cars
and,
if
we're
getting
more
buses
to
come
and
bring
school
children-
and
these
will
all
add
to
the
carbon
footprint,
how
can
we
get
reassurance
that
the
whole
life
carbon
costs
have
been
taken
into
account
in
terms
of
our
judgment
we
make
today.
B
Yeah,
so
I'm
I
mean
in
terms
of
the
policy
requirements.
We
can
only
ask
them
as
a
very
basic
to
to
meet
the
requirements
I
sustained
in
in
the
development
plan,
but
in
terms
of
issues
such
as
transport,
such
as
uranus,
such
as
the
briam
assessment-
that's
multifaceted,
so
it
looks
at
lots
of
elements
and
transport
farms,
part
of
that,
so
so
to
get
that
excellent
rating.
I
think
transport
when
I
read
it
earlier
at
lunch.
I
think
it's
about
10
or
11
of
the
overall
picture.
B
They've
got
to
go
so
far
from
the
from
the
baseline.
You
know
to
meet
that
element,
so
we'll
also
put
conditions
on
verification
reports
to
ensure
that
the
buildings,
if,
if
and
when
the
builds
you
know-
are
of
the
standard
that
they
say
they're
going
to
be
because
obviously
a
lot
of
it
is
potentially
looking
at
what
solutions
can
put
forward
to
make
these
elements,
whereas
we
need
to
ensure
that
the
final
buildings
meet
these
and
briana
for
a
accreditation
system,
which
we
traditionally
condition
as
part
of
applications.
I
B
Just
before
the
other
questions
come,
there
was
the
officer
comments
on
the
viability
stuff.
So
I'll
just
give
some
headline
comments
on
that
I
mean
you
know.
The
agent
said
that
it
wasn't
a
viability
study
as
such
and
I've
just
looked
back
at
the
information
they've
called
it
a
financial
appraisal
review
and
the
fees
feasibility
study
on
the
effect
of
profitability.
B
I
mean,
I
think,
it's
pretty
similar
to
what
we'd
expect
a
viability
statement
to
be,
unfortunately,
it's
confidential
in
nature,
but
some
of
the
you
know
roundabout
elements.
You
know
that
talk
about
things
that
are
in
the
public
domain,
like
they're,
substantially
increasing
losses,
but
these
aren't
specified
within
that
document.
So
we've
talked
about
figures.
I
think
it
started
at
100k
and
then
120
and
I'm
sure
I
heard
200
000
mentioned
today,
but
we
don't
have
these
we're
taking
these
at
face
value
almost
which,
as
planners
we
don't
like
to
do.
B
We
want
that
robust
evidence
there
and
to
be
able
to
to
justify
these
and
yeah.
I
think
it's
also
in
the
public
domain
in
newspaper
articles
and
stuff
that
it's
gonna
have
a
construction
value
of
about
21
million
and
then
out
of
that
there's
going
to
be
the
300k
community
fund.
So
it
seems
like
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
money
for
that.
B
For
that
benefit,
and
we
don't
know
what
happens
when
that
when
that
fund
runs
out,
so
you
know,
we
haven't
really
seen
any
significant
costings
and
the
document
itself
says
costs
included
within
this
feasibility
study
of
pure
estimates
at
this
stage,
but
can
be
refined
later
when
tenders
come
in.
So
in
terms
of
the
green
belt
impact
and
getting
to
the
stage,
we
think
this
development's
required
to
meet
these
benefits.
B
I
don't
think
I
don't
think
we
know
where
we
are
on
the
line,
basically,
where,
where
we
need
to
be
to
to
balance
the
green
belt
harm
with
a
a
viable
business.
So
that's
the
tipping
point
argument
and
then
going
on
to
let's
keep
going
yeah.
So
I
mean,
although
there's
an
argument
there,
that
it's
not
a
viability
assessment.
I
think
for
something
of
this
scale.
B
If
they're
looking
to
put
forward
arguments
like
that,
that's
something
we'd
want,
and
there
is
national
guidance
on
it
which
talks
about
it
being
proportionate,
simple
and
transparent
and
publicly
available
and
in
particular,
the
transparency
making
it
publicly
available.
The
government
put
a
significant
weight
to
this
because
they
want,
because
I
think,
over
time,
this
will
improve
the
data
available
for
future
assessments
and
it
offers
more
accountability
to
the
process.
B
So
you
know
things
like
looking
at
gross
development,
value,
land
values,
landowner,
premiums
and
developer
returns.
We
haven't
seen
information
such
as
that
it
was
basically
a
simple
one-page,
excel
document
and
with
the
costings
and
we're
having
to
take
a
lot
of
it
at
face
value,
as
I
said,
and
this
mechanism
having
the
mechanism
in
place
to
direct
these
profits
to
these
community
benefits.
We're
not
sure
what
that
is,
and
if
it's
achievable
from
a
planning
session.
B
I
mean
you
know
it's
fantastic,
the
the
things
that
we're
here
that
they're
doing-
and
you
know
we
would
certainly
welcome
that,
but
we
don't
have
any
costumes
for
this
community
work.
B
We
don't
know
how
much
community
work
can
be
done
for
a
hundred
thousand,
how
much
can
be
done
for
a
million
blah
blah
blah
and
how
proportionate
this
is
to
to
the
profits
moving
forward,
as
I
suppose
you
know,
the
key
element
is
is
linking
that
that
money
back
to
this
community
work,
which
we
haven't
seen
anything
far
at
the
moment.
A
Okay,
councillor
brooks
that
does
cover
some
of
your
earlier
questions.
I'm
sure
you've
got
another
one.
F
I
do
in
in
terms
of
the
the
viability
of
the
club
were
employee
figures
included
in
that.
B
We've
got:
we've
got
nothing
in
the
figures
to
show
the
existing
like
profitability
of
a
club,
so
that
would
include
things
like
staff
costs,
wouldn't
it
and
and
other
aspects
like
this.
This
is
all
it's
all
looking
forward
to
looking
at
construction
values,
contingencies,
planning
v
stuff
like
that,
which
you
know
there
was
that
caveat
on
there
that
the
rest
of
us
anyway,
you
know
without
without
going
out
to
tender.
B
A
Okay,
I
think
that
concludes
questions
to
officers
unless
anyone
has
another
one.
Oh
two
councillor
councillor,
lamb,
then
councillor
smith
and
was
the
one
on
this
side
as
well.
No.
I
Thank
you,
chad.
I'm
almost
ready
to
to
go
into
comments
to
be
honest,
but
it
was
a
suggestion
really
that
we
focus
questions
on
very
special
circumstances,
because
there's
no
point
getting
into
the
detail
of
the
application.
If
we're
not
there
on
that-
and
I
have
to
be
honest
myself-
I
started
50
50
on
this
and
the
presentation
we've
just
heard
has
moved
me
firmly
to
thinking
very
special
circumstances.
Do
not
in
any
way
exist.
They've
talked
me
out
of
it.
I
If
I'm
honest,
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
a
couple
of
that
you've
covered
viability.
So
I've
got
some
comments.
I
think
we've
covered
climate
emergency,
I'm
struggling.
I
I'm
struggling
to
see
why
this
would
have
to
be
in
this
place.
A
K
C
So
the
assessment
that
was
done
was
looking
at
the
existing
traffic
generation
compared
to
the
predicted,
but
most
of
that
was
based
on
you
know,
sort
of
comparable
sites
and
assumptions.
You
know.
C
Maybe
we
have
a
database
of
trip
trips
that
we
we
use
developers
using
an
assessment,
and
we
also
have
you
know,
have
that
information
as
well,
which
often
is
how
we
generate
existing
trips,
based
on
a
use,
a
comparable
use
in
a
comparable
location
and
then
look
at
the
the
proposed
use
and
the
the
trip
generation
that
that
would
arise
from
that
and
the
officers
who
did
the
you
know
looked
at
what
the
information
that
was
submitted.
C
Sort
of
of
you
know
looking
at
the
predicted
the
proposed
use
in
the
predictive
traffic
generation,
but
also
that
was
very
much
looking
at
the
peak
hours
pkm
our
peak
pm
hours
and
then
a
peak
weekend
time,
which
is
generally
saturday
lunchtime
and
the
additional
trip
generation
that
you
know
sort
of
was
accepted
in
that
assessment
was
an
additional
18
two-way
trips
in
the
am
peak
which
is
like
from
nine
and
nine
out
an
additional
61
in
a
pm
peak.
C
So
that's
13
30
out
in
the
weekdays
and
an
additional
70
weekend
peak
trips.
That's
two-way
trip,
so
39
and
39
out
the
existing
trip
generation.
So
that's
a
possible
an
additional
50
on
the
existing
for
the
am
week
8
week,
peaks
and
perhaps
just
over
double
the
number
in
the
pm
peak
from
the
existing
and
again
75
of
the
existing
in
the
saturday
lunchtime
peak
does
that
does
that
make
sense.
K
K
C
That
it's
there's
an
additional
trip,
but
it's
not
looking.
We
haven't
looked
across
the
whole
day
because,
in
terms
of
the
impact
on
the
network,
the
major
impact
is
on
those
peak
hours
where
you've
got
more
trips
on
the
network
anyway,
where
we
then
look
at
the
junctions
and
the
traffic
movements.
C
In
terms
of
the
local
junctions,
they
were
all
assessed
and
were
judged
to
be
having
sufficient
capacity
to
deal
with
additional
traffic.
There
are
passing
places
on
lane
and
again
it
was
assessed
that
the
additional
traffic
there
was
sufficient
capacity
there
to
to
deal
with
it.
There
is
some
accident
concerns,
in
particular
at
the
torn
lane:
cold
war
junction,
but
there's
very
limited
work
that
can
be
done
there,
but
we
did
ask
for
a
contribution
to
potentially
look
at.
C
K
C
I
I
have
a
question
chair
because,
following
from
that,
something
doesn't
add
up
here.
So
if
the
traffic
assumptions
are
correct,
then
there's
no
way
in
god's
earth.
You're
gonna
spend
21
million
pounds
and
generate
enough
revenue
back
to
make
the
new
scheme
viable,
and
if
the
new
scheme
is
going
to
be
viable,
then
there's
no
way
the
traffic
assumptions
are
correct.
What
one
of
those
things
is
not
right,
which
one
you.
C
All
I
can
go
is
what
you
know.
The
assessment
was
based
on
those
those
hours,
the
peak
hours,
traffic
hours.
It
wasn't
looking
at
the
whole
day
or
the
evening,
so
I
I
think
you
know
perhaps
a
more
full
assessment
would
take
into
all
those
numbers
or,
for
instance,
if
there's
a
big
function,
for
instance,
which
would
be
in
the
evening
so
but
because
there's
less
other
traffic
on
the
network.
C
Shortly,
yes,
they
should
take
account
of
the
service
vehicles
and
there
was
looking
at
the
you
know:
the
vehicle
move
its
maneuvers
into
the
site
to
make
sure
that
servicing
would
function
safely.
J
Thank
you
so
yeah,
sorry
chair,
that's
that's
that's
even
worse,
then,
because
that
means
they're
virtually
all
going
to
be
service
movements
and
no
very
few
actual
car
movements
in
those
increases.
I
Just
picking
up
on
the
concerns
that
members
members
have
there's
a
number
of
options,
ways
that
we
can
do
it
if
members
through
after
the
debate
come
to
the
view
to
resolve
planning
permission,
then
what
we
can
do
is
listen
to
members
concerns.
We
can
reevaluate,
reassess
the
highway
assessment
and
see
if
there
is
an
additional
ground
for
a
refusal
to
to
add
as
part
of
that
reassessment-
and
we
are
consulted
later
and
consult
with
the
chair
and
pass
that
through
the
the
chair.
I
If
members
come
to
a
deferral
of
course
again
we
were,
we
could
carry
out
re
reevaluate
that
exercise
if
members
get
to
the
position
where
they
want
to
resolve,
to
not
accept
the
officer
recommendation
and
approval
well,
we'll
be
bringing
a
report
back
in
any
event
for
that,
and
we
can
do
the
same
there.
So
we
can
address
it
through
through
that
way.
I
Do
that
I
was
going
to
suggest
that
potentially
it
could
be
a
bit
quicker
than
needing
a
five
minute.
Okay,
and
I
personally
would
be
happy
to
move
the
officer
recommendation
well,.
A
I
I
would
just
like
to
position
the
debate
first
before
you
do
that,
if
that's
okay,
because
we're
looking
at
we're
looking
at
an
application
which
is
in
the
green
belt,
so
there
are
two
things
that
we
have
to
consider.
A
First,
is
whether
we,
whether
there
are
special
circumstances
or
not,
based
on
the
information,
that's
been
placed
in
front
of
us
and
secondly,
there
are
aspects,
as
I
understand
this,
of
this
application,
which
are
acceptable
in
the
green
belt,
and
we
may
wish
to
indicate
that
we
would
be
happy
for
those
aspects
to
go
ahead.
So
I
felt
the
debate
needed
to
to
follow
those
two
strands.
That's
fine!
Carry
on
alan.
I
No,
I
respect
you
enormously
as
chair
and
I'm
more
than
happy
to
to
go
along
with
that.
A
A
I
Yeah,
thank
you,
chad.
I
think
my
comments
would
be
that
the
the
the
bar
for
greenbelt
development
is
rightly
set
very,
very
high.
I
I
don't
feel
that
in
any
way
we've
got
close
to
being
given
evidence
of
very
special
circumstances
being
met.
It
doesn't
mean
there
is
no
development
that
would
ever
be
appropriate
here
and
there's
lots
of
things
I
like
about
the
scheme,
but
that
that
test
for
me
for
very
special
circumstances
would
that
would
partly
there's
not
enough
information.
I
I
think
the
lack
of
consultation
engagement
is
disappointing
and
so
I'd
urge
the
applicants
to
to
go
and
really
engage
with
the
local
community
and
look
at
something
that
that
I
don't
believe
you
have
to
go
to
this
scale
to
make
it
viable
personally,
but
something
smaller.
So,
as
I
alluded
to
earlier,
I'd
moved
the
office
of
recommendation
on
that
basis.
A
So
I
think
we
would
have
to
reach
some
sort
of
in
principle
agreement,
not
that
we
definitely
would
approve
what
came
back,
but
that
we
would
be
open-minded
enough,
given
the
very
strong
views
in
the
very
high
bar
about
the
green
belt
that
it
would
be
worth
their
while
doing
a
lot
more
work.
We'd
have
to
be
clear
about
that.
I
mean,
for
example,
council
alum.
Are
you
clear
about
that
that
you
would
be
open-minded
enough
to
consider
it,
and
what
about
other
colleagues
around
the
table.
I
Yes,
because
I
I
can
see
a
lot
of
benefits
to
to
developing
the
site,
the
lodges
bother
me
immensely.
I
think
that
that's
a
step
way
too
far,
but
in
terms
of
actually
developing
around
the
current,
the
current
building
area
and
and
so
on.
I
think
there
is
something
that
that
could
be
done
within
that.
J
Thank
you
chair.
I
agree
with
my
colleague
councillor
lamb.
In
many
ways
this
scheme
is
great.
I
think
I
think
it
it's
admirable.
What
they're
trying
to
do
and
the
fact
that
they're,
you
know
they're
trying
to
secure
the
future
of
the
club
and
bring
some
community
wider
community
use
into
the
club
is
to
be
applauded,
but
don't
think
they
need
to
spend
21
million
on
a
development
of
this
scale
in
the
green
belt.
J
To
achieve
that,
perhaps
a
a
smaller
expansion
of
the
clubhouse
itself,
the
driving
range
double
deck
driving
range.
I
I
don't
see
a
problem
with
that,
providing
the
lighting
sympathetic
to
the
green
belt.
I
don't
like
the
lodges
at
all.
I
think
that
that's
completely
unnecessary.
J
I
I
I
don't
mind
if
they
brought
an
application
forward
for
adventure
golf
and-
and
we
could
look
at
look
at
that
in
its
own
right,
because
we
we
haven't
actually
been
given
very
many
details
of
that
at
all
here
today,
and
you
know
the
the
changing
of
the
the
the
golf
golf
course
itself.
You
know
I'm
not
not
against
that
in
in
its
entirety.
J
To
me,
I
think
it's
just
almost
it's
almost
too
big
a
project
in
one
go,
and
I
don't
think
it's
necessary
to
be
that
big
to
make
the
club
viable
and
for
them
to
achieve
what
they
have
told
us
today
that
they're
setting
out
to
achieve.
Thank
you.
A
For
me,
some
of
the
issues
that
have
come
out
of
the
earlier
questioning
around
community
involvement
and
enhancement
and
reaching
out
to
other
parts
of
the
city
have
been
stated
much
more
clearly
and
and
than
previously,
and
I
did
mention
earlier
on
it.
A
I
I
don't
feel
that
that
came
sufficiently
clearly
out
of
the
report
at
the
point
at
which
we
were
receiving
information,
and
perhaps
all
of
us
need
to
understand
better
the
balance
between
the
community
impact
which,
for
me,
is
invaluable
part
of
this
project
and
the
necessity
to
develop
exactly
what's
in
front
of
us
or
a
version
of
that
or
less
of
that
or
whatever
it
might
be.
I
I
feel
that
that
community
strand
really
hasn't
been
emphasized
explicitly
enough
in
the
information
that
we've
received
so
far,
councillor
flint
and
then
kaley.
G
Yeah,
I
just
think
after
that,
I'd
like
to
see
kind
of
figures
around
how
many
children,
young
people
they're
working
with
already
and
as
a
result
of
the
scheming,
implemented
how
that
would
increase,
because
it's
all
just
sort
of
vague
and
then
it'd
be
good
to
know
this
sort
of
actual
figure
they
would
hope
and
to
reach.
Because,
of
course,
that's.
That's
really
admirable
part
of
them.
What
their
work
they're
doing.
A
Yeah
before
I
bring
councillor
brooks
in
I,
I
agree
with
that
point
and
I
think
what's
important
for
us
to
understand,
particularly
when
we're
trying
to
judge
special
circumstances
is
the
additionality
that
will
occur
in
pretty
exact
terms,
really
pretty
quantified
terms.
The
additionality
that
will
occur
as
a
result
of
this,
and
I
think
the
the
feeling
I'm
getting
from
round
the
table
is.
It
probably
doesn't
need
to
be
all
of
this
to
achieve
that.
Additionality
and
it's
it's
just
the
way
of
thinking
councilor
brooks.
F
Thank
you.
I
was
going
to
say
something
similar
with
regards
to
the
the
sort
of
community
benefits
and
the
city-wide
benefits,
and
I
think
I
think
that's
that's
quite
clear,
but
having
having
some
numbers
would
would
be
really
helpful
in
future
to
to
to
back
up
that
assertion
and
and
also
in
terms
of
the
viability
of
the
club.
The
as
I
said
before,
it
really
is
a
very
high
bar
really
is
a
very,
very
high
bar
for
for
developing
on
on
on
green
belt.
F
So
economic
impact
would
be
one
of
those
things
in
terms
of
if
the
club
had
to
close,
I
would
have
hoped
to
have
seen
what
the
impact
of
that
would
have
been
on
job
losses
and
and
similar,
as
well
as
as
well
as
the
the
loss
of
that
that
wider
community
benefit,
because,
obviously
in
in
in
more
rural
settings,
there
are
fewer
jobs.
So
so
it's
it's
quite
important
to
to
preserve
those
jobs.
F
I
think,
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
what
would
be
acceptable
and
what
wouldn't
be
it's
quite
clear,
that
holiday
holiday
lodges
are
not
acceptable.
Holiday
com
accommodation
is
not
permitted
within
the
green
belt.
There's
what
two
policies
on
that
I
believe
yeah,
so
so
so
like
that.
That
needs
to
just
be
forgotten
about
entirely.
I
rather
disagree
that
a
sort
of
fern
golf
course
goes
against
what
the
principles
of
keeping
the
the
green
belt
open.
I
think
that
it'd
be
possible
to
do
a
a
sympathetic.
F
I
guess
crazy
golf
course.
You
can't
have
crazy
golf
unless,
unless
it's
crazy,
can
you
but
yeah
but
you'd
be
able
to
keep
the
the
openness
of
the
green
belt.
I
feel,
and
it
absolutely
does
fit
in
with
with
sports
provision
on
the
green
belt.
In
my
view,
it's
a
sort
of
gateway
drug,
isn't
it
so
yeah
so
yeah.
Certainly
we
can
look
at
it
again
and
I
don't
think
anyone's
saying
absolute,
no
to
everything.
A
In
terms
of
the
lodges,
I
totally
accept
what
people
have
said
that
we
we
are
struggling
to
understand
why
the
lodges
are
necessary
to
make
certain
things
happen.
I
do
want
to
say
one
thing,
though,
because
I
always
comment
on
design
whenever
we
look
at
anything,
and
actually
I
think
these
lodges
are
really
well
designed.
A
I
think
they
are
sympathetic
with
the
landscape.
I
think
they
bring
the
outside
in
really.
Well,
I,
like
the
green
roofs
and
I
like
the
zero
carbon
credentials.
I
actually
think
they
are
lovely
lodges,
but
at
the
moment
they
are
completely
against
our
green
belt
policy.
A
So
maybe
it
needs
to
be
revisited
in
some
way
and
those
lodges
would
be
really
welcomed,
in
my
view,
elsewhere
in
a
different
scheme
or
perhaps
much
reduced,
but
I
just
oh
sorry,
councillor
flint,
you
come
in.
G
I
think
it's
the
the
number,
isn't
it
if
the
village
only
has
30
is
it
32
dwellings
and
then
there's
35
houses
built.
It
just
seems
crazy
to
sort
of
double
the
size
of
buildings
in
such
a
little
village,
so
yeah
they
they're
lovely,
but
it's
the
wrong
place
and
the
wrong
amount.
K
I
do
think
the
recall
units
are
just
a
little
bit
too
far.
Personally,
I
can
see
a
potential
development
of
the
clubhouse
whether
extensively
as
it
is
proposed.
I
would
question
no
problem
with
the
relocation
of
the
nine
hole.
Golf
course.
No
problem
with
the
knight,
the
three
par
three
course.
The
fruit
golf
course
no
problem
the
driving
range,
where
we
need
to
be
just
satisfied
that
the
two
floors
aren't
going
to
have
too
much
light
pollution,
but
we
did
hear
that
they
were
going
to
try
and
have
the
lights
pointing
downwards.
K
So
fine,
if
we
can
get
satisfaction
on
that
and
the
adventure
golf
course
will
be
interesting
to
see
what
the
split
and
usage
is
going
to
be.
But
I
do
have
concerns
about
the
highways
I
mean
trying
to
drive
around
those
roads
is
very,
very
difficult,
and
if
we're
increasing
the
number
of
people
who
are
in
the
area,
we
need
to
make
sure
what
we're
doing
to
try
and
help
it.
K
There
is
no
public
transport
nearby.
Some
of
the
other
courses
that
do
have
that
we
are
talking
about
in
the
area.
You
can
access
public
transport,
but
then
maybe
use
some
other
facility
to
get
to
the
course.
K
If
we're
having
events
at
night,
there
will
need
to
be
movement
of
taxis
unless
we're
going
to
start
suddenly
supporting
drinking
and
driving,
which
I
don't
think
we
are
in
any
way
suggesting.
So
you
are
going
to
need
taxes
to
get
people
to
and
from
if
we
increase
the
number
of
vehicles
going
from
schools,
which
again
I
support
what
they're
doing
the
chances
are,
these
will
be
buses
which
will
take
up
road
space
physical
space.
K
They
probably
will
be
electric
buses
so
from
that
point
of
view
sustainable,
but
I'm
also
not
totally
happy
with
the
that
I've
not
got
information
on
the
whole
life
costs,
carbon
costs
either
in
order
to
make
the
decision
and
in
terms
of
the
viability
information.
Yes,
okay,
a
lot
of
it
might
be
confidential,
but
we
could
get
it
in
confidential
papers
and
provided
we
authorize
ourselves
properly.
K
We
can
then
go
beneath
the
line,
discuss
that
information,
not
in
public
session,
and
it
would
help
some
people
to
probably
understand
a
number
of
the
questions
that
have
been
raised
today.
If
we
actually
saw
the
information,
we
might
be
able
to
do
it
now,
except
that
the
officers
got
it
and
based
on
what
the
officer
has
told
us,
I
think
there
is
enough
evidence
to
say
that
there
are
questions
that
we
would
probably
ask
if
we
did
see
the
detail
of
it.
K
But
I
think
I
will
have
to
reluctantly
support
the
officer
recommendations,
because
we've
not
got
a
suggestion
from
the
developers
that
they're
willing
to
break
bulk,
as
I
call
it
and
try
and
get
some
of
this
parts
of
the
scheme
that
are
acceptable
in
my
eye,
approved
today.
A
I
believe
a
very
similar
issue
arose
on
site
this
morning.
I
was
in
discussion
with
councillor
flint.
I
can't
remember,
but
bite-sized
chunks
were
were
considered.
It
was
you
sorry,
trish,
not
not
giving
credit
to
the
right
person,
but
yes,
so
that
is
another
option
that
the
developer
might
wish
to
pursue.
Councillor
almas.
H
Thank
you
chair.
I
quite
agree
with
my
colleagues.
It's
one
of
those
things
I
really
appreciate
and
understand.
You
know
some
of
the
concerns
read
by
raised
by
the
residents.
It's
one
of
those
situations.
When
you
look
at
the
argument
from
the
other
side,
you
know
it's
the
nine
and
the
sixth,
whichever
side
you
look
at
it
from,
but
I
think
in
terms
of
the
ecologist
you
know
it's
a
great
idea.
I
only
wish
these
kind
of
lodges
were
built
elsewhere
and
people
would
replicate
such
environmentally
friendly
construction
as
well.
H
However,
I
think,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
think
the
organization
and
the
whole
team
needs
to
engage
more
with
the
local
community.
Take
them.
You
know
and
listen
to
them
and
have
more
if
you
like,
engagement
with
the
with
the
local
community,
so
that
moving
forward,
if
they
do
have
other
plans,
look
at
those
plans
which
probably
might
get
more
support,
because
we've
got
looking
at
the
objections
and
the
the
documents
and
support
they're
pretty
much
in
balance.
H
At
the
moment,
it's
about
92
and
93,
or
something
like
that
objections
and
support
letters,
so
yeah
it
would
be
get.
It
would
be
good
to
to
see
more
engagement.
I
would
say
from
from
the
developers
with
the
local
residents
and
then
probably
come
back
with
exceptional
circumstances.
Explain
more
to
the
you
know
to
the
to
the
to
the
to
the
committee
and
my
members.
Thank
you.
A
I
Yes,
thank
you,
chad.
I
would
with
all
of
the
comments
that
we
put
move,
that
we
support
the
officer
recommendation.
A
Do
I
have
a
seconder
councillor,
smith,
all
those
in
favor,
so
that
is
unanimous.
A
I
think
yes,
thank
you
very
much,
so
this
application
has
actually
been
approved
because
we're
approving
the
recommendation,
if
you
see
what
I
mean,
which
is
to
refuse
it-
and
hopefully
the
the
developers
and
their
advisors-
will
have
gleaned
enough
from
our
discussion
this
afternoon
to
be
able
to
know
how
they
can
progress
best
with
this
particular
proposal.