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A
Councillor
graham
latte's
last
planning
meeting,
and
this
is
becoming
a
custom.
Now
we
have
a
a
few
buns
to
pass
it
out
amongst
yourselves
at
the
appropriate
time
booked
baked
again
by
andrea
again,
she
insisted
on
baking
us
she
sends
her
best
regards
to
pat.
She
was
very
from
the
pat
when
they
were
both
counselors
together
and
she
hopes
you
have
a
very
happy
retirement.
A
If,
if,
if
that's
a
word,
we
could
associate
with
you,
graham
I'm
sure
it's
not
I'm
going
to
do
the
usual
thing,
graham,
I'm
going
to
say
a
few
words
and
I'll
ask
anybody
who
wishes
to
say
a
few
words
and
then
we
can
have
a
buns
and
maybe
have
a
photograph
up
in
the
back.
A
Okay,
as
far
as
I
know,
graeme
you've
been
on
planning
city
plans
planning
since
it
started
up
since
its
inception.
All
the
way
through
is
that
right.
B
A
I
believe
so
yeah
I
believe
so.
I
want
to
start
it
yeah,
but
you've
been
a
real
boom.
You've
been
real
bonus
to
us.
You've
gone
into
it
in
great
depth.
We
certainly
discovered
roof
scapes
over
you
and
I'm
chimneys.
I'm
I'm
afraid
that
my
that
might
er
that
might
cease
a
little
bit
or
slow
down.
A
Now
that
you
won't
be
here,
but
you
can
always
write
to
us
and
remind
us,
you
know
you,
your
input
would
be
very
welcome,
so
maybe
we
can
find
a
suitable
chimney
to
name
after
you,
in
recognition
of
all
your
of
all
your
hard
work.
A
I
I
know
that
one
I
I
was
going
to
mention
that
when
we
looked
at
the
university
library
and
we
went
and
have
a
look
at
it
and
a
magnificent
building
inside
much
better
than
outside
and
they
had
an
art
display
and
they
chose
to
highlight
the
industrial
past
of
the
area,
so
they
had
like
a
tower
chimney
and
we're
all
saying.
That's
really
good.
That's
really
and
graeme
said
I
don't
like
you,
I
don't
like
it.
We
were
all
taken
back.
You
know
he
was
a
chimney.
A
You
know
that,
and
he
was
very
much
a
chimney
man
and
he
didn't
like
it,
but
I'm
gonna
finish
there
anyway.
Graham
I've
spoke
too
much,
but
I
we
will
miss
you.
Your
a
contribution
and
your
sound
common
sense
was
always
welcome
and
I
think
you're
a
good
example
to
people
who
often
think
that
planning
is
political.
It's
not
political.
It's
like-minded,
dedicated
people
who's
trying
to
achieve
the
best
development
for
our
city,
and
I
hope
we'll
continue
to
do
that.
Always
even
after
you're
not
sat
on
the
chair
there.
A
I'd
normally
ask
you
to
speak
at
this
time,
but
colin
we
lonely
servant.
Do
you
want
to
say
a
few
words.
B
Well,
I
suppose
great
I
was
regarding
graham
as
the
the
patriarch
of
the
of
the
panel
that
wise
gray
head
individual,
who
kept
us
more
or
less
substrate,
more
or
less
on
the
narrow.
B
I
I
think
when
you,
when
you
sit
on
pan's
panel,
you
know
that
that
certain
people
who
come
along
to
plant
power
euphemistically
planning
nerds,
I
would
regard
them
as
committed
to
the
principle,
the
principles
that
I
think
we're
trying
to
uphold,
which
is
basically
good
design,
quality
developments,
and
I
think,
graham
epitomizes,
that
attitude
to
the
planning
process-
and
I
know-
we've-
had
many
a
discussion
among
the
details
of
some
schemes
and
I'm
I'm
not
going
to
mention
chimneys
more
than.
C
B
Once
because
everybody
else
is
bound
to
do
it,
but
the
bottom
line
is,
I
think
it's
that
graham's
attention
to
detail,
which
has
meant
that
many
of
the
developments
that
we
agreed
through
through
plans
panel
have
been
much
better.
For
that
close
scrutiny,
he
is
a
bossica
is,
is
still
I
was
going
to
say.
B
What's
a
counselor
he's
still
a
councillor
for
a
neighboring
lord
to
myself
and
on
a
personal
note,
we've
always
got
along
very
well
together,
I
think
we've
we've
understood
the
limitations
of
being
counselors,
we've
understood
the
boundaries
and
we've
cooperated
on
more
than
one
occasion,
and
I
think
the
cooperation
is
epitomizes
how
you
can
do
the
best
for
a
community
because
effectively
we
represent
a
single
community
airbra
and
it
by
that
cooperation
and
that
working
together
I
think
we
produced
a
better
result.
I
suppose,
for
our
community.
B
I
will
actually
greatly
miss
graham
great
wishes
comments
on
plans
I'll
greatly
miss
meeting.
Well,
no,
I
won't
miss
you
meeting
in
waitrose,
because
you'll
still
be
going
shopping,
so
we
used
to
we
used
to
meet
on
the
down
the
cereal
aisle
and
have
a
conversation
about
something.
B
Graham,
can
I
say
from
my
point
of
view
and
I
think
from
everybody's
point
of
view,
thank
you
for
all
the
time
and
effort
you
put
in
not
just
to
this
panel,
but
to
the
council
and
to
abra.
I
feel
we
will
be
the
poorer
for
you,
leaving.
D
D
It's
it's
great
working
with,
graham,
we
might
not
always
agree,
but
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
is
where
we
disagree.
We
do
it
in
a
way
that
that's
proper
and
and
right
and
his
company
on
site
visits
has.
It
has
been
great
good
fun.
In
fact,
I
remember
many
months
ago
a
particular
site
visit
and
bus
didn't
turn
up,
so
we
finished
up
doing
it
in
two
cars
and
in
graham's
car
there
was
graham
a
conservative
mia
greene.
D
I
forget
all
the
other
one
labor
and
one
liberal
democrat,
and
you
would
have
thought
we
were
all
of
the
same
political
position
where
we've
acted
in
that
car.
But
it's
part
of
that
is
graham
because
he's
is
he's
the
same
with
everybody
he's
a
really
nice
bloke
and
he's,
and
he
does
his
job
in
such
a
sort
of
kind
and
generous
way.
As
I
say,
you'll
really
be
missed.
I
know
a
few
weeks
ago,
not
the
last
one
because
they
were
ill.
D
A
E
Yes,
I
would
like
to
say
just
a
few
words.
Graham
I'm
sorry
it's
your
last
meeting
and
you
really
will
be
missed
from
this
panel.
As
previous
colleagues
have
said,
you
made
a
a
great
contribution
to
it
and
I
first
met
you
when
I
was
very,
very,
very
well
completely
new
to
this
game
and
the
reports
that
I
was
given
read
like
a
foreign
language,
and
I
really
didn't
understand
the
framework
or
anything
as
a
new
counselor.
E
I
just
didn't
know
what
I'd
let
myself
in
for,
and
you
have
always
been
very
generous
in
your
understanding
and
acceptance
of
people
who
are
perhaps
not
as
experienced
as
you
are
on
plant's
panel,
and
I
feel
that
you
helped
my
journey
through
it
wasn't
very
long
after
I
had
become
a
plans
panel.
E
Member
that
I
did
become
aware
that
your
previous
occupation
was
a
sculptor,
and
ever
since
I've
known
that
information,
it's
made
the
things
that
you
say
have
made
perfect
sense
and
it's
actually
helped
my
understanding
a
lot,
and
we
are,
I
think,
a
kindred
spirit
on
design
matters
as
well.
I
I
do
think
about
a
visit
that
we
went
on
together
with
the
city
plans
and
we
were
walking
across
the
stitch.
The
bridge
at
the
stitch
at
kirksville
forge,
and
I
was
looking
at
the
bridge
and
thinking.
E
I
wonder
what
graham
makes
of
this
and
you
turned
around
and
said
to
me.
It
looks
as
if
somebody's
thought
about
it
and
that's
very
typical
of
the
kind
of
comment
and
contribution
that
you
would
make,
and
it
certainly
shaped
my
thinking,
gram.
So
a
thank
you
from
me
and
you
will
be
a
huge
loss
to
the
panel.
F
I
mean
I
I
speak
for
our
group.
I
believe,
30
seconds
ago
my
chief
whip
said
I
was
to
speak
for
the
group,
but
that's
one
thing
that
graham
doesn't
have
on
planning.
He
doesn't
have
any
political
loyalties
on
planning
and
and
graham
does
take
that
absolutely
down
the
line
and
it's
all
about
design
and
quite
often
when
I've
been
on
plans
with
graham
I'll,
be
driving
in
and
I'll
think
what
should
I
think
about
that?
What
should
I
think
about
this
I'll?
F
Just
ask
graham
before
the
meeting
starts
and,
of
course,
should
I
survive
onto
this
panel
for
the
next
year.
I
won't
be
able
to
do
that,
so
I
guess
I
will
drive
down
thinking.
Shall
I
ask
graham
and
then
find
he's
not
here
and
think
I
can't
ask
graham
so
it's
going
to
be
a
big
loss
for
me
personally,
obviously,
I'm
losing
a
ward
colleague
and
a
friend
as
well.
I
will
graham
try
to
keep
chimneys
alive
for
you.
We
have
certain
chimneys
in
our
ward,
which
we
don't
always
quite
agree
on.
F
So
it's
it's
not
always
agreeing,
but
I
think
we
have
agreed
to
disagree
on
those
chimneys.
But,
as
I
say,
I
really
will
miss,
graham
and
and
we'll
miss
his
humor
and
his
detail
on
design
because
he
can
guarantee.
When
graham
wants
to
speak.
It
will
be
about
design-
and,
I
think
probably
caroline
says
that's
his
artistic
talents.
F
I
I
didn't
quite
realize
he
was
a
sculpture,
he's
kept
that
under
his
under
his
wings
a
bit,
but
I
know
he
does
have
very
artistic
talents
and
that
does
tend
to
come
through
in
the
design.
So
you
will
be
greatly
missed,
graham,
as
you
know,
on
many
on
many
fronts,
but
I'm
just
conscious
that
you're
not
going
completely
away
and
I'm
sure
you
we
should
meet
around
the
town
and
you
will
say,
but
by
the
way
you
should
do
this
and
you
should
do
that.
F
So
maybe
there'll
be
more
influence
than
you
think,
but
thank
you
for
your
assistance
to
both
myself
and
dan
during
your
time
on
council
really.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
paul
anybody
else,
or
shall
I
ask
john
to
come
in
and
say
a
few
words
john.
Please.
G
It
must
be
said,
you've
always
looked
at
all
aspects
of
development
beyond
roofscapes
and
we've
really
appreciated
that
input,
and
it
really
has
helped
to
make
a
big
contribution
to
this
panel
and
also
to
the
city
and
the
development
of
the
city,
in
our
view.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
those
contributions
and
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
something
that
somebody
else
might
pick
up
the
mantle
the
front
panel.
I'm
sure
they
will.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
H
I
was
a
sculpture
student
at
the
college
of
art
across
in
vernon
street
a
very
very
long
time
ago
and
up
to
a
national
diploma
standard
level,
but
I
never
practiced
as
a
sculptor
in
the
terms
of
making
money
out
of
it.
H
H
H
And
probably
people
will
look
back
at
the
stuff
that
we've
accepted
as
well
and
say
the
same,
because
design
tastes
changed?
Don't
we?
But
I
have
city
plans
has
been
my
favorite.
As
you
might
say,
this
is
what
I
I
was
on
council
for
in
lots
of
ways,
one
or
two
other
things,
but
that's
always
been
been
the
strongest
thing,
and
I
think
also
this
business
about
politics.
H
What
the
heck
has
politics
got
to
do
with
with
with
design
with
with
the
council?
What
have
politics
got
to
do
with
being
a
councillor?
I've.
I've
never
believed
that
when
we're
doing
our
job,
it
matters
it
down
whether
we're
conservative,
labor
liberal
or
what
you
know
we're
just
people
trying
to
do
something
for
the
great
unwashed
out
there
and
leave
it
a
better
place
for
them.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
all
the
very
kind
words
that
have
been
said.
H
I'm
sure
I
don't
I
I
can't
live
up
to
to
those,
but
I've
enjoyed
all
your
company,
I'm
going
to
miss
it
like
old,
nick,
but
you've
got
to
go
some
time
and
I'm
going.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Okay,
can
I
invite
you
to
go
and
have
a
bun
before
we
start
and
as
we
did
last
time,
we
we
might
get
a
group
photograph
for
a
graham's
memory
box.
But
can
I
remind
you
graeme
that
we're
in
purder
now
and
we
don't
want
to
see
that
appearing
on
tory
leaflets
during
the
election
time?
A
A
A
Okay
members,
if
we
can
get
back
to
the
business
we're
here,
to
do
just
just
to
remind
you
if
you
don't
know,
graham
that
was
live
streamed,
but
I
think
there's
there's
a
little
problem
with
the
sound
but
you'll
be
able
to
see
it
is
that
right,
come
here.
Come
here.
Tell
us.
A
Good
afternoon
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
meeting
of
the
city
plans
panel.
My
name
is
councillor
jim
mckenna
and
I
will
be
chairing
today's
meeting.
Could
I
remind
everybody
that
today's
meeting
is
being
streamed
on
the
city
council
website
so
that
the
public
can
observe
the
meeting
without
needing
to
be
present
city
plans
panel
deal
with
applications
from
the
city
center,
as
well
as
their
largest
and
most
significant
applications
the
council
receive.
A
A
J
Thank
you
chair
good
afternoon,
everyone
I'm
doug
thing.
I
lead
the
city
center
planning
team.
A
D
I
A
Again,
can
we
move
on
then
two
minutes
of
the
previous
meeting
held
on
the
24th
of
december
and
it
commences
on
page
five?
If
I
can
go
through
quickly
page
by
page,
you
can
stop
me
if
you
have
a
comment,
starting
with
page
five.
A
Page
nine
page,
10
and
finally
page
11.
are
members
prepared
to
move
that
as
a
correct
record.
Okay,
are
there
any
matters
arising?
Can
we
see
in
favor
of
a
correct
record
sorry
or
moved
on
quickly
yeah?
I
think
that's
unanimous.
Thank
you
any
matters
horizon.
A
If
not,
then
can
we
move
on
to
agenda
item
seven?
Can
I
invite
stephen
please
to
come
in
and
present
this
application
to
us?
Please.
K
Thank
you
chair,
so
I
have
a
hybrid
application
for
up
to
1437
dwellings,
associated
commercial
uses
on
ground
floor.
M
K
Delivered
in
11
blocks
with
up
to
14
town
houses,
including
landscaping,
362
student
units
infrastructure,
including
a
river
wall,
and
a
new
footbridge
in
cycle
bridge.
K
K
Known
as
the
former
city
reach
site,
just
off
kirksville
road,
just
east,
just
west
of
leeds
city
centre,
so
just
to
put
this
out
into
into
contact
context.
Looking
eastwards
towards
the
city,
you
can
see
that
the
site
is
bounded
by
the
river
air
to
the
south
and
the
the
curtail
road
to
the
to
the
north
and
the
land
forms
part
of
a
larger
strip
which
is
gradually
being
brought
forward
for
the
development
of
the
the
similar
type
of
proposal
with
c-scale
type
blocks.
K
Providing
residential
and
a
mix
of
commercial
as
well
site
itself
is
a
brownfield
site,
formerly
industrial,
site,
4.9
hectares
in
in
size.
There
are
some
commercial
uses
on
the
western
boundary
which
which
would
be
demolished
as
part
of
the
application.
K
K
Just
to
remind
members
of
the
previous
scheme,
known
as
city
reach,
city
reach,
one
and
two
that
was
brought
forward
with
the
sort
of
an
east-west
split,
the
detailed
application
or
reserve
matters
came
in
for
the
for
the
for
the
eastern
side
and
the
outline
permission
for
the
for
the
western
side
delivering
nine
nine
blocks
of
apartments.
K
The
current
proposal
takes
that
another
step.
Further
again,
the
the
east-west
split
divides
the
hybrid
application,
so
the
the
the
western
side,
the
eastern
side,
is
the
detailed
part
of
the
scheme
and
that
proposes
to
bring
forward
five
five
blocks
of
of
housing,
one
block
of
student
accommodation
and
three
low
rise
commercial
buildings,
and
it
also
includes
four
four
town
houses
along
with
significant
landscaping,
the
river,
the
riverside
walk
and
the
new
bridge.
K
Let's
be
provided
at
detailed
stage
outline
stage,
it's
proposed
another
five
blocks
with
obviously
final
details
to
be
to
be
agreed
in
terms
of
the
the
heights.
It
ranges
from
eight
to
17
stories.
K
K
Just
to
show
in
inside
the
site,
the
the
lowerized
buildings
mixed
with
open
spaces,
along
with
residential
type
streets
kind
of
show
that
it
it
works
on
on
a
human
scale,
with
a
variety
of
heights
and
and
and
a
diverse,
massing
and
and
use
of
materials.
K
K
This
will
be
from
the
kirksville
road
frontage
facing
away
from
the
city
centre,
so
two
two
taller
buildings
would
provide
a
gateway
into
the
site
and
that
would
lead
into
into
the
public
square
area
where
people
could
then
work
their
way
through
the
site
to
the
to
the
to
the
park
and
open
spaces.
K
In
terms
of
commercial
uses,
all
of
the
ground
floors
will
be
put
to
different
uses.
Flexibility
is,
is
asked
for.
K
So
that
the
appropriate
uses
can
be
found
within
within
the
general
use
classes,
depending
on
depending
on
circumstances
at
the
time,
the
only
restriction
really
that
would
put
on
would
be
for
retail
to
limit
the
amount
of
retail
so
that
it's
not
all
it's
not
all
shops.
K
In
terms
of
in
terms
of
landscaping,
overall,
it
will
be
divided
into
different
character
areas,
so
you've
got
the
the
public
square
area
to
the
north
and
the
and
more
of
a
leisure
play
area
to
the
south
with
formal
and
an
informal
play
spaces
recreation
spaces.
K
K
In
terms
of
parking
and
access,
there
will
be
two
access
points
from
kirkstall
road
there'll
be
vehicular
access,
east
to
west
for
service
vehicles
and
local
local
vehicles.
K
K
K
Which
ties
into
the
to
the
to
the
hope,
within
the
application
of
providing
providing
good
access
to
alternative
means,
a
transport
with
a
cycle
hub
being
provided
which
would
provide
storage
and
and
rental
space,
along
with
other
facilities
for
cyclists,
hopefully
bringing
together
the
various
cycle
routes
within
the
locality.
Providing
access
south
of
the
river
back
up
the
a65
and
and
and
also
into
town.
K
K
So,
with
regard
to
the
overall
housing
provision,
members
will
be
aware
that
the
applicant
is
a
subsidiary
of
clarion
homes
who
are
a
social
housing
provider,
and
there
is
there
is
the
intention
to
provide
a
higher
level
of
affordable
housing
35,
but
because
of
the
way
that
the
funding
is
being
provided.
K
It's
not
the
35
can't
be
controlled
by
the
council.
Within
the
planning
permission,
only
seven
percent
can
be
can
be
within
our
control.
Under
the
section
106
agreement,
we
have
had
comfort
that
the
the
funding
is
in
place
and
and
and
satisfied
the
this
level
of
affordable
housing
can
be
provided
it
just.
K
K
K
There
is
comfort
that
that
can
be
revisited
in
the
event
that
the
funding
couldn't
be
couldn't
be
provided
for
the
for
the
35,
affordable
housing
in
terms
of
the
overall
mix.
What's
being
provided
would
be
largely
wound,
bed
properties,
52,
one
bed,
40
47
two
bed
and
within
the
detailed
phase,
three
percent
three
bedrooms,
which
would
increase
to
seven
percent
outline
phase,
which
would
bring
the
whole
the
whole
to
five
percent.
K
The
applicant
is
willing
to
look
at
the
outline
phase
separately
and
to
increase
that
provision
to
10
subject
to
further
housing
needs
assessment,
and
we
can.
We
can
condition
that
in
just
to
finish
on.
K
The
outstanding
issues
that
that's
a
just
an
image
of
the
the
river
wall
there,
the
council,
as
members
will
be
aware,
is,
is
building
a
a
new
flood
defense
and
there
are
some
outstanding
issues
with
the
environment
agency
regarding
hydraulic
modelling.
So
so
the
recommendation
that
the
officers
are
putting
forward
is
is
to
approving
principal
defer
and
delegate
final
decision
subject
to
resolution
of
outstanding
matters
relating
to
flood
risk
and
finalization
of
conditions
in
the
section
106
agreement
and
we'll
hand
it
back
to
you.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
stephen
for
that
presentation.
Now
we
can
go
on
now
to
questions
to
officers.
We
do
have
a
number
of
technical
people
here
from
the
developers,
susan
yates,
tony
wilshaw
and
christopher
darley,
and
it
may
well
be
that
some
of
your
questions,
too,
will
be
to
them,
so
we
can
certainly
call
them
forward,
but
in
the
meantime,
can
we
put
questions
to
officers.
B
This
this
may
well
be
for
the
developers,
but
two
elements
that
stand
out
to
me
initially
are
the
townhouses
of
which
there
appear
to
be
one
block
of.
Is
it
for,
and
it
just
seems
a
little
incongruous,
given
the
rest
of
the
site,
which
is
quite
substantial
blocks,
and
I
just
wondered
why
we'd
pick
four
tower
houses
to
drop
in
that
in
that
location,
because
I
I
thought,
given
the
location
given
what
else
is
going
around
it?
B
And
from
the
artist's
impression,
it
just
looks
a
bit
like
a
shed
to
me,
and
I
was
just
wondering
why,
again
in
design
terms,
why
effectively,
we
were
dropping
what
looks
like
a
shed
in
the
middle
of
what
is
a
high-rise
development.
But
it
would
seem
to
me
that
we
perhaps
could
do
a
little
better
on
the
design
from.
A
B
I've
got
one,
I've
got
one
more
as
well.
Sorry,
the
one
that
I
usually
ask
at
this
point.
I
appreciate
that
there's
limited
parking
on
this
development
and
there
will
be
limited
parking
and
there
should
be
limited
parking.
The
concern
I
always
express
at
this
point
is:
how
do
we
stop?
B
A
A
Okay,
I'm
sure
you
heard
clearly
council
campbell's
comments.
Please
answer
them
up
to
the
abrupt
person.
If
you
would
introduce
yourself
before
you
start
speaking,
it
would
be
helpful
as
well.
Thank
you.
S
There
we
go
right.
Thank
you,
hi
good
afternoon,
I'm
richard
cook,
I'm
group
development,
director,
executive,
director,
vicarian
housing
group
and
latin
as
our
subsidiary,
which
is
looking
to
develop
this
project
on
my
right.
I've
got
mike
briffit,
who
is
our
project
director
for
the
kirksville
road
project
and
on
my
left.
S
So
I'll
let
luke
answer
the
conversation
around
the
maker
space
and
the
low
rise
building
in
the
middle
first,
because
luke's
led
our
master
plan
on
this.
For
us
so
luke
you
go
first.
Q
Thank
you,
richard
yeah,
I
mean
both
really
good
questions.
To
be
honest,
and
obviously,
we've
been
looking
at
this
design
for
two
years
and
these
aspects
they've
raised,
have
really
developed
about
character
and
quality
of
space,
so
you
mentioned
about
the
sort
of
challenges
eating
so
taller,
dense
developments
there
and
then
how
you
sort
of
really
at
street
level,
engage
with
those
developments.
Q
So,
firstly,
if
I
talk
about
the
the
townhouses,
primarily
they
were
introduced
as
a
way
to
really
try
and
capture
the
sort
of
residential
quality
that
we
were
trying
to
look
at
in
that
area.
Q
You
know
how
tall
buildings
come
to
ground
and
how
you
engage
with
them
on
that
sort
of
scale
as
a
person
as
an
individual
and
what
we
looked
at
was
a
way
of
kind
of
using
smaller
buildings
to
kind
of
break
that
scale
up
and
engage
with
it,
but
use
it
in
a
way
that
would
also
remove
some
of
the
sort
of
closing
office
spaces.
So,
in
terms
of
you
are
higher
up
in
one
of
the
wings,
you
actually
see
over
the
townhouses,
but
it
really
was
about
that
residential
central
spine.
Q
So,
as
mentioned
there
in
the
planning
framework
work
agreement
originally
set
out,
there
was
this
sort
of
central
route
through
the
scheme,
I
think
very
early
on
with
our
client.
We
looked
at
that
sort
of
route
and
really
wanted
to
promote
it
as
a
community
residential
space
and
through
the
sort
of
development
and
working
with
your
officers.
You
know
one
of
those
key
elements
to
that.
Q
Was
that
sort
of
activity
along
that
street
and
trying
to
create
you
know,
architecture,
design
that
would
respond
to
that
nature
and
the
people
would
just
treat
it
respect
it
in
that
way,
and
so
the
sort
of
townhouses
along
that
central
route
was
a
response
to
that
that
we
hope
you
feel
so
quite
successfully
achieve
it,
and
you
do
make
a
good
observation
in
terms
of
phase
one:
the
detailed
design
application
there
are
only
four
townhouses
within
it,
but
within
the
wider
master
plan
in
the
outline
they
sort
of
continue
along
that
route
to
kind
of
create
that
character
I
spoke
to.
Q
B
Q
Actually,
the
the
there's
a
computer
image
we've
got
for
that
that
might
put
in
imagery.
Q
D
Q
Q
B
Well,
I
think
you
know,
as
you
say,
phase
one
includes
four
town
houses
yeah,
which
it
seemed
seems
a
little
incongruous.
I
can
see
that
from
what
you're
saying
to
us
that
you
there
is
a
rationale
behind
the
the
the
work,
I
suppose
slightly
sneakily
I'll
say
that
I
think
when
you
get
to
phase
two,
it
will
be
a
different
drawing
to
this
because
it
always
is.
But
I
I
need
to
think
about
that.
B
Q
So
again,
this
is,
this
is
another,
a
very
good
point
to
raise
and
and
again
something
we've
sort
of
spent
a
lot
of
time
sort
of
trying
to
develop,
and
I
I
think
really
I
mentioned
before-
about
townhouses.
The
inclusion
of
the
lower
buildings
was
really
something
with
our
client.
We've
worked
quite
closely
with
about
how
you
create
engage
again
at
that
ground
floor
space,
and
I
think
one
of
the
other
things
mentioned.
You
know
talk
about
flexibility
and
sustainability.
You
know,
and
we
really
sort
of
took
that
brief
from
the
client
and
considered.
Q
How
do
we
create
spaces
that
you
can
over
time
change
and
adapt?
So
there
was
this
sort
of
iteration
of
design,
so
really
grew
to
kind
of
create.
How
do
you
make
spaces
that
you
can
have
multiple
different
uses
over
a
period
of
time,
they're
very
flexible,
efficient
and
work?
Well,
and
and,
as
you
point
out,
you
know,
the
sort
of
responses
is,
as
you
call
it
a
shed
and
which
actually
meets
that
brief.
Really
well,
and
I
think
you've
been
true
to
the
sort
of
character
of
the
area.
Q
Q
So
we
quite
enjoyed
celebrating
that
aspect
of
it
in
a
sort
of
slightly
different
way
in
providing
those
spaces.
T
So
community
building
is
a
central
part
of
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
here
and
that's
not
just
about
the
the
development
community.
It's
also
about
the
wider
community,
so
lots
of
flexible
spaces
like
the
ones
that
you
can
see
on
the
slide
there,
the
food
hall
in
the
middle,
the
makers,
space
on
the
right
and
then
to
the
north
of
that
we've
also
got
the
the
cycle
hub.
A
Thank
you
for
those
answers,
colin.
Does
that
satisfy
you
in
the
moment.
S
Park
parking
so
so
that
we
we
ultimately
will
be
managed
by
a
management
company
yep,
so
it'll
be
controlled
to
stop
resident
non
people
non
a
residence
with
parking
just
accessing
and
abandoning
cars
in
the
ski
yeah,
so
it'll
be
a
controlled
scheme.
L
Thanks
jim
yeah,
so
I
would
like
to
know
how
you've
come
about
your
housing
needs
assessment
with
the
amount
well,
the
number
of
one
beds
and
the
lack
of
three
beds.
It's
only
at
five
percent,
isn't
it,
and
also
in
the
social
housing
provision.
There's
no
percent
three
beds,
which
is
a
big
concern
for
me.
T
So
there's
a
there's,
probably
quite
a
lot
to
to
get
into
here
I'll
start
with
some
of
the
the
overall
numbers
and
and
the
rationale
for
the
for
the
mix
and
there's
503,
affordable
homes
across
the
the
whole
site
and
there's
101
of
those
that
are
part
of
the
the
section
106
and
then
another
403
homes
that
are
delivered
through
the
grant
funding
from
homes.
T
England,
the
the
strategic
housing
needs
assessment
that
we
we
undertook,
showed
that
there
was
a
demand
in
in
the
area
for
the
smaller
units
are
the
one.
The
two
bed
units,
and
that
was
backed
up
by
our
own
housing
needs
analysis.
T
So
we
as
much
as
we
can
we've
developed
a
mix
that
reflects
what
we
believe
the
demand
in
that
particular
area
is.
Do
you
want
to
just
add
to
that?
Susie.
I
Hi
yeah,
I'm
suzanne,
yates
from
richfields
and
litchfield
prepared
a
housing
needs
assessment
that
was
submitted
as
part
of
the
application
and
there's
a
number
of
factors
that
are
that
have
factored
into
the
housing
mix
that
you
see
before
you,
which,
as
you
write
the
point
out,
is
a
predominance
of
one
and
two
bed
properties,
we're
obviously
in
a
very
central
location
here
where
the
demand
is
geared
towards
apartments
and
the
lead.
Smart
demonstrates
that
there
is.
I
So
the
provision
is
geared
towards
that
we're
also
in
a
central
location
where
we
are
trying
to
achieve
a
dense
high-density
scheme
and
that
again
lends
itself
towards
flats
and
apartment
buildings
for
which
there
is
identified,
demand
and
the
shmar
again
talks
about
a
shortfall
of
one
two
and
three
bed
flats,
which
the
scheme
accommodates
and
provides.
I
I
So
one
and
two
bed
units
are
in
their
nature,
more
affordable,
and
so
that's
that's
also
had
an
effect
on
the
scheme,
and
we
do
nevertheless
still
have
a
number
of
three
bed
units
in
the
scheme
and
I
think
it's
a
contribution
of
83
into
73
in
total,
which,
whilst
a
fairly
low
proportion
on
the
site,
is
still
a
significant
contribution
to
the
number
of
three
properties
within
the
fringe
area
of
the
city.
I
And
we,
as
steve
alluded
to
earlier.
We
have
accepted
a
condition
whereby
we
will
look
to
provide
ten
percent
through
bed
within
the
outline
phase,
which
will
bring
the
total
provision
of
three
beds
across
the
scheme
to
seven
percent.
But,
overall,
the
approach
is
in
line
with
the
approach
adopted
through
the
relevant
policy
and
also
adopted
elsewhere
in
these
kinds
of
locations.
L
It's
literally
literally
like
five
minute:
walk
from
the
burley
lodges
and
from
the
rose
bank
primary
school
and
there's
a
lot
of
family
housing
all
around
there
like
lots
of
families
live
around
there.
L
I
I
don't
think
it's
not
necessarily
a
case
of
looking
at
the
catchment
of
the
area
and
what
kind
of
accommodation
is
available
nearby.
This
site
has
obviously
had
planning
permission
previously
for
high
density
residential
development.
It's
allocated
for
a
significant
number
of
properties
within
your
local
plan
and
it's
intended
to
deliver
a
high
number
of
housing
and
to
address
housing
needless
affordable
housing
need.
So
we
have
sought
to
maximize
the
delivery
of
housing
on
this
site,
so
it
has
it's
not
a
low
density
family-led
scheme.
L
L
So
I
mean
in
in
the
report.
It's
saying
the
inner
area
is
dominated
by
one
and
two
bed
apartments,
but
it
like.
So
so.
What
I'm
saying
is
what
what
sort
of
catchment
area
are
you
using
for
this
to
to
identify
me
because,
like
on
the
one
hand,
you're
saying,
on
the
one
hand,
you're
saying
you
know
we're
going
to
provide
what's
already
available
and,
on
the
other
hand,
you're
saying,
but
also
we're
not
because
there's
a
demand
for
it?
T
I
I'll
try
and
answer
the
question.
I
can't
specifically
answer
the
question
in
terms
of
the
catchment.
What
I,
what
I'll
try
and
address
is,
is
how
we've
come
up
with
the
mix
and
the
the
challenge
that
we
we've
had
here
is
that
you
know
there
are
so.
There
are
significant
costs
involved
in
developing
the
infrastructure
to
allow
us
to
build
out
this
scheme
with
this
level
of
affordable
homes.
T
So
we've
concentrated
on
a
number
of
things,
building
as
many
affordable
homes
as
we
can,
because
that's
our
our
core
purpose,
putting
in
place
the
right
level
of
infrastructure
and
green
space
and
public
open
space
and
and
balancing
that
against
the
sort
of
the
the
commercial
realities
of
development
and
their
funding
that
we've
got
available
available
to
us.
T
That's
a
that's
a
really
difficult
balance
and
what
we've
tried
to
achieve
is
the
best
possible
mix
that
we
we
can
in
terms
of
one
two
and
three
beds,
and
there
are
73
three
beds
across
the
across
the
site
and
deliver
all
of
that
infrastructure
and
and
create
a
scheme
which
is
as
inclusive
as
it
possibly
can
be.
So
I
take,
I
take
your
point
generally
about
about
three
beds.
T
C
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
I
I
think
I
mean
it's
clear,
obviously,
that
the
work
that
the
applicants
have
done
in
terms
of
addressing
policy
h4
in
this
case
I
mean
councillor
brooks-
is
right,
obviously,
that
this
doesn't
meet
the
the
targets
that
are
set
out
in
the
table
h4.
C
But
the
explanation
and
the
logic
that's
set
out
in
the
housing
needs
assessment,
as
provided
by
litchfields,
does,
does
go
through
some
of
the
detail
and
rationale
of
that.
It's
one
of
the
elements
that
that's
in
the
planning
balance
in
terms
of
the
the
strengths
of
the
scheme,
as
as
mr
buffett
sets
out
there.
C
However,
we
are
satisfied
with
with
the
details
provided
within
the
housing
needs
assessment,
given
the
limitations
and
challenges
and
constraints
that
are
experienced
on
on
this
site,
but
also
recognizing
that
this
is
a
very,
very
challenging
issue
that
members
have
have
raised
a
number
of
times
and
that
that
more
work
across
the
city
needs
to
be
done
to
ensure
that
we've
got
a
greater
contribution
of
three
breads,
particularly
in
the
city
centre
area.
L
J
Coming,
if
you
don't,
you
want
me
to
come
in
okay,
sorry,
it's
me
suzanne
can
and
mike
can
correct
if,
if,
if
my
understanding
is
wrong,
but
if,
if
the
analysis
has
been
based
on
the
schma,
that's
the
strategic
housing
needs
assessment,
which
was
carried
out
by
the
council
in
preparation
of
the
development
plan
and
then
updated
in
2017.
J
J
J
The
other
point,
in
addition
to
the
point
that
mike
and
adam
made
about
taking
this
single
issue
in
what,
in
the
wider
context
and
in
balance
with
the
other
benefits
of
the
scheme,
the
other
point
I
would
make
is
that
our
policy,
although
there's
a
preferred
target
for
three
beds-
and
I'm
sure
I
made
this
point
before-
does
allow
for
local
needs
and
local
culture
to
be
taken
into
account.
J
That
is
especially
in
the
policy
and
not
just
this
applicant,
but
others
do
come
to
us,
often
in
the
city
center,
to
take
into
account
local
culture.
Now,
as
adam
has
said,
and
as
members
have
made
clear
previously,
we
are
looking
at
that,
but
until
that
policy
is
revised,
that
is
a
policy
we
have
to
work
with.
So
I'm
advising
members
that
that's
the
context
within
which
we
considered
this
matter.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Thank
you
doll.
Just
for
the
further
explanation
can
we
move
on
then
and
bring
in
council
gathway
to
this
stage?
Thank
you.
P
Yes,
I
rather
agree
with
councillor
brooks.
I
think
that
there
are
a
number
of
quite
large
multi-generational
families
living
in
that
immediate
area
and
that
this
scheme
does
not
cater
for
their
potential
needs,
and
I
think
that's
regrettable
whatever
the
policy
has
to
say
about
it,
and
my
specific
question,
though,
was
forgive
me
if
I
haven't
quite
understood
this
correctly,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
the
affordable
housing
is
all
concentrated
in
one
block,
and
is
this
a
good
idea
socially?
P
S
I'll
I'll,
probably
hopefully
explain
that
so
I'm
representing
clarion
housing
group,
so
we
manage
125
000
homes
across
the
country
and
we
have
all
kinds
of
and
a
lot
of
them
large
scale
communities,
but
like
this
one
which
we're
wishing
to
deliver
in
leads,
what
we
find
is
the
most
challenging
projects.
S
Most
challenging
schemes
we
have,
especially
around
anti-social,
behavior
et
cetera,
is
where
we
have
pepper
potting,
and
we
have
a
large
amount
of
our
projects
are
generally
in
towns
and
city
centres,
and
I
would
say
around
about
60
of
what
we
own
is
in
what
I
would
call
as
we
would
now
call
apartments
flatted
schemes
yeah.
So
from
a
management
perspective,
we
work
incredibly
closely.
I
leave
the
development
business
but
work
incredibly
closely
with
our
colleagues
and
our
entire
business
is
focused
on
delivering
affordable
housing,
giving
perspective.
S
S
We
know
that's
the
best
way
to
avoid
what
I
call
anti-social
systems
and
it's
the
best
way.
We
can
then
design
the
buildings
for
robustness,
because
the
challenge
we
all
have
is
assets,
especially
in
the
legacy
organizations.
We
do
have
what
I
would
call
a
level
of
mixed
community
where
we
don't
differentiate
at
all
and
shared
ownership.
So
if
you
look
at
our
shared
ownership
product
across
the
country,
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
tell
the
difference
between
our
shared
ownership
and
our
private
sale
and
we
make
shared
ownership
with
a
private
sale.
S
So
there's
there's
a
what
I
would
call
a
mix
where
we
see
there
is
the
right,
operational
demand
and
need,
but
we're
very
focused
on
making
sure
that
we
avoid
all
those
challenges
that
we
all
have,
unfortunately,
around
social
housing
and
social
housing
provision,
and
we
all
know
care
budget
to
being
cut
and
everything
else,
and
that
means
we
take
on
a
bigger
responsibility
which
we're
happy
to
do,
but
all
of
that
comes
with
management
and
also
comes
with
all
the
challenges
that
come
from
it.
S
S
This
is
the
way
that
we
generally
go
down
the
route
of
actually
managing
it
significantly
and
successfully
for
the
community,
but
you
will
not
be
able
to
tell
the
difference
between
that
rented
block,
the
shadow
and
the
ownership
block
or
the
private
seal
block
from
a
perspective
at
all
when
you
are
stood
in
that
street,
and
we
we
are
purposely
designing
this
as
a
community
to
be
very
mixed.
But
that
was
the
brief
at
the
start
of
this
scheme
for
broadway
malian,
it
was
about
putting
employment
in
there
and
everything
else.
S
This
is
in
the
housing
state.
This
is
about
creating
a
community
and
that's
how
we've
gone
about
this
and
that's
by
a
lot
of
experience
and
a
lot
of
pain.
We've
taken
over
the
years.
J
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair.
If
I
can
just
add
to
that
members,
the
we've
taken
on
board
as
officers,
particularly
on
board
the
the
the
matter
about
management
of
the
affordable
housing,
but
we've
also
noted
that
of
the
11
residential
apartment
blocks,
five
will
be
owned.
The
affordable
housing
will
be
in
five
of
those
blocks
owned
and
managed
by
clarion
homes.
So,
whilst
we're
not
getting
the
the
detailed
pepper
potting
of
affordable
housing
in
each
and
every
block,
what
we
are
getting
is
integration
throughout
the
site.
It's
not
just
one
block.
J
S
I
just
sorry
come
back
in
just
just
to
actually
we
are
going
to
return
the
long-term
legacy
for
this
entire
project.
So
it's
not
just
owning
the
blocks.
We,
we
will
ultimately
oversee
the
entire
estate
management
and
we
will
have
the
custodianship
of
this
entire
project.
So
even
where
we
saw
private
sale,
units
in
private
sale
blocks
that
the
whole
landscaping
and
the
legacy
of
the
organization
will
be
managed
by
clarion
and
perpetuity.
M
Something
quite
different,
looking
at
it
from
the
heritage
perspective,
it
isn't
a
conservation
area
and
there
are
no
listed
buildings
there.
M
But
I
was
stuck
in
traffic
on
the
cursor
road
last
night
and
of
course
one
has
got
time
to
look
around
one,
and
I
think
it
was
the
former
imperial
picture
house,
although
I
couldn't
be
quite
sure,
and
although
I
could
not
say
it
was
worthy
of
listing,
it
was
certainly
a
distinctive
and
very
pleasant
building
to
look
at,
especially
when
the
rest
of
curtin
wrote
is
semi-derelict.
M
So
I've
got
two
questions
and
one
would
follow
on
from
the
other.
Firstly,
is
there
any
way
possible
that
you
could
keep?
Perhaps
the
facade
the
the
facade
comes
right
up
to
the
pavement
edge
on
kerzel
road?
M
M
Q
From
a
design
perspective,
I
mean
it's
a
good
observation,
I
think,
in
terms
of
if
we
could
link
the
two
and
happy
to
have
a
look
at
that.
As
you
say,
I
mean
we're
familiar
with
the
building
you
mentioned.
Q
Of
course,
I
would,
I
would
say
we,
one
of
the
things
we
are
doing
is
actually
reusing,
some
of
the
bricks
actually
from
the
development
in
those
sheds,
as
you
say,
to
sort
of
promote
sustainable
reuse
of
materials,
but
also
the
quality
of
the
age
of
those
bricks,
as
well
as
something
quite
beautiful.
So
from
that
side
yeah,
we
can
certainly
look
at
that.
Yeah.
T
Sorry,
could
I
just
I'll
just
just
so.
I
think
I
think
it's
an
interesting
point.
I've
been
in
that
building
quite
a
few
times
recently,
and
I
think
I
think,
knowing
the
history
of
it,
we
all
got
excited
that
we
were
going
to
find
something
when
we,
when
we,
when
we
went
in
given
it's
historic
use.
T
Sadly,
we
we
didn't
and
we
did
have
a
heritage
impact
assessment
carried
out
on
the
the
building
and
and
that
sort
of
backed
up
what
we
were
able
to
see
for
our
for
ourselves
that
there
wasn't
anything
there
of
of
heritage
value
as
far
as
that
assessment
was
concerned,
but
I
think
certainly
as
luke
says,
you
know,
we
will
we'll
look
to
try
and
incorporate
some
of
those
those
features
if
we
can
but
yeah.
I
I
so
share
share
the
the
thought
process.
A
Well,
thank
you,
liz.
That
was
a
good
question
to
bring
before
us
moving
on
peter,
please
you're
next.
O
Thanks
chair
I'll,
come
around
to
my
question.
I'll
do
a
little
bit
of
a
comment.
First,
if
you
don't
mind
because
it
it
leads
on
usefully,
but
I
quite
like
the
townhouses
in
and
amongst
the
big
buildings,
it's
a
it's
a
big
development
and
it
at
least
looks
like
something
that
may
have
been
that
may
have
arrived
organically
rather
than
something
that
has
had
all
the
buildings
plunked
in
one
place.
So
I
quite
like
that
and
adds
to
the
mix,
and
I
guess
around
the
idea
of
three
bed.
O
We
have
been
quite
insistent
on
this
panel
recently
of
having
10
3-bed
as
our
very
lowest
and-
and
I
think
that's
where
we're
always
wanting
to
be.
I
appreciate
there's
more
in
the
outline
development,
but
I
wouldn't
mind
seeing
more
of
those
townhouses
to
add
up
to
it
as
well.
O
I
I
like
the
sheds,
the
warehouses,
because,
having
lived
just
across
the
road
from
here,
I've
visited
some
of
the
venues
like
open
source
arts
and
I've
had
some
good
evenings
out
in
my
life,
in
a
shed
in
the
end
of
industrial
kirk
still,
but
that
leads
on
to
the
other
thing.
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
doing
in
the
shedding
industrial
kirk
still
is
digging
out
sludge
from
the
floods
in
2015..
O
I
noticed
that
I
was
getting
there
yeah
to
my
question
and
I
just
wondered.
Obviously
we
have
got
the
objections
there
and
there's
some
notes
in
terms
of
the
fact
that
we
think
we
can
work
through
the
objections
and
the
flooding.
But
I
wonder
if
probably
a
question
for
officers,
we
could
just
ask
around
the
risk
to
flooding
of
this
site
and
then
the
risk
of
this
site
causing
more
of
a
flood
risk
in
the
wider
castle
area.
Given
recent
history.
K
Thanks
jay,
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
risk
to
the
site
itself,
I
think
the
environment
agency,
a
content
that
the
modelling
that's
been
done.
What
will
affect
the
residences?
K
Because
none
of
the
residences
are
on
ground,
floor
level
and
and
the
actual
floor
levels
will
be
high
enough
for
it
for
the
new
faz
wall
to
protect
it.
The
the
outstanding
issue
that
we
do
have
with
the
environment
agency
relates
to
hydraulic
modelling
and
it's
relating
to
the
residual
risk
to
third
parties.
K
That
modelling
still
needs
to
be
done.
It's
considered
that,
generally
speaking,
it's
unlikely
to
cause
a
significant
problem.
We
just
don't
know
exactly
the
nature
of
the
problem
and
what
mitigation
is
required.
So
the
further
work
that
needs
to
be
done
really
is
about
the
modeling
and
then
the
subsequent
mitigation.
K
So
in
that,
in
that
sense,
that's
why
we're
asking
to
to
be
able
to
continue
these
discussions
with
the
environment
agency
and
to
get
make
sure
that
that
modeling's
done
and
to
get
the
objection
from
the
the
agency
lifted
and
and
then
that
will
show
that
there's
a
enough
mitigation
for
that
residual
risk.
If
it's
required.
T
Sorry
could
I
could,
I
just
add
to
what
stephen's
just
said
there,
because
I
think
it's
a
really
good
point.
We've
been
working
incredibly
hard
with
the
environment
agency
and
it
is
it's
not
an
insignificant
challenge
that
everybody's
been
facing
into
particularly
given
the
the
flooding
that
we
saw
earlier
this
year,
which
has
changed
the
way
or
some
of
the
work
that
we've
had
to
do.
T
Whilst
we've
been
in
in
planning
so
prior
to
christmas,
we
thought
we'd
solve
the
problem
and
then,
after
christmas
we
find
that
we've
got
a
new
set
of
problems,
and
I
think
you
know
it
is
important
incumbent
on
everybody
to
make
sure
that
we've
done
all
of
that
work
and
we
satisfy
ourselves
that
there
is
no
net
harm
both
to
the
site
or
to
anybody
else
and
a
couple
of
important
points.
The
first
is
that
all
their
living
accommodation
is
at
first
floor
level
and
all
the
ground
floor.
T
Space
is
all
defensible
space
once
the
the
the
fast
work
is
completed
in
spring
next
year,
spring
2023,
the
site
has
one
in
100
years,
plus
climate
change,
flood
protection
and
there's
no
no
net
harm.
That
that
level
of
protection
is
then
enhanced
once
the
step
two
works
for
the
flood
alleviation
scheme
are
completed
the
following
year,
so
in
in
some
ways
we're
caught
in
a
period
of
time.
At
the
moment
where,
if
we
were
having
this
conversation
in
12
months,
we
wouldn't
be
having
the
same
conversation.
T
It
would
be
completely
different
because
the
flood
war
would
have
been
completed.
So
what
we're
really
dealing
with
here
is
a
is
satisfying
ourselves,
that
the
temporary
condition
that
exists
between
now,
perhaps
on
the
award
of
planning
and
starting
on
site,
doesn't
cause
any
net
harm
and
that's
the
work
that
the
environment
agencies
are
working
through
at
the
moment
and
and
that's
the
little
challenge
that
we're
trying
to
sort
of
face
down
with
with
them
and
colleagues
in
planning.
D
Well,
most
of
my
questions
have
been
said,
but
coming
back
to
the
shed,
and
it's
only
a
little
quick
quirky
one
about
the
shed
all
those
who
once
went
to
spinning
fields
at
manchester
or
remember,
a
shed
that
was
built
in
middle
of
a
development
that
was
actually
an
old
hot
house
from
kent
or
that
or
the
outside
of
it
was
that
was
made
into
a
bar.
D
Q
I
think
that's
brilliant,
I
mean
yeah
you're,
absolutely
right.
I
think
one
of
the
things
we're
trying
to
do
is
is
obviously
get
a
scheme
for
leads
and
the
people
of
leeds
and
yeah
believe
they're
like
a
drink.
So
no,
no,
I
think
we
are
going
to
work
very
closely
with
developing
meanwhile
use
and
the
new
startups
in
those
spaces
to
make
them
exciting
for
the
people
in
the
local
community
and
people
who
want
to
move
there
as
well,
so
yeah,
all
those
sorts
of
things
I
mean.
Q
I
think
the
key
for
us
here
today
is
about
creating
spaces.
We
can
adapt
to
those
needs
which
is
really
what
we're
looking
for
in
the
planning.
S
And
I'll
add
to
that
from
a
developer
perspective.
I
think
I
said
earlier.
We
want
to
create
a
community
here,
so
the
flexibility
in
the
space
is
really
important
to
us,
we're
talking
to
a
number
of
people
around
bringing
some
art
and,
as
we
call
it,
make
spaces
but
startups
into
this
game.
It's
really
important.
S
It's
about
creating
something
that
one
becomes
a
little
bit
of
a
destination
and
because
that
creates
the
footfall,
and
that
creates
the
desire
for
people
to
want
to
live
in
our
project
so
that
having
the
flexibility
in
the
spaces
and
I've
been
to
spinning
fields
and
I've
actually
drunk
in
that
place,
and
we
want
to
create
that
type
of
atmosphere
out
at
kirkstill
and
create
a
community
here
that
actually
people
can
really
want
to
belong
to,
because
that's
our
long-term
legacy
as
an
organization
and
we're
going
to
be
looking
after
this
forever.
S
A
Okay,
I've
got
neil
now,
please
cancel
all
shot.
N
Yeah,
thank
you,
chad,
due
to
my
putting
my
hand
up,
lamentably,
like
most
of
the
questions
I
wanted
to
ask
have
been
covered,
so
I
do
have
a
comment
when
the
times
come
chair.
Well,
what
I
say
to
the
applicant
is
a
lot
of.
This
is
very
good,
but
I
think
councillor
brooks
is
right
in
that
a
strong
community
needs
more
long-term
residents
and
long-term
residence
chair,
I
think,
come
from
three
more
three-bedroom
properties.
N
So
I
know
this
is
a
different
delegate,
but
as
a
strong
signal
to
you
chair
and
to
mr
car
there,
I
think
we
do
need
to
see,
as
council
carl's
raised
a
more
emphasis
on
three-bedroom
properties,
with
the
desire
to
get
up
to
our
to
our
ten
percent,
and
I
think
I
think
that's
quite
important,
because
this
this
location,
this
site
has
been
barely
for
30
years
and
boy.
Do
you
want
to
see
it
come
forward
and-
and
this
is
an
excellent
proposition
which
I'll
go
into
in
the
in
the
comments
section?
N
But
this
site
is
it's
a
little
bit
country
and
a
little
bit
rock
and
roll
in
the
sense
of
its
location
by
the
city
center,
but
also
in
part
of
coastal
as
a
as
a
periph
as
a
community
peripheral
for
the
city
centre.
So
I
just
think
perhaps
a
a
slight
frame
of
reference
shift
from
the
applicants
will
get
us
to
to
to
where
we
need
to
be
chair.
So
I'll
just
park
that
for
now
and
I'll
come
back
in
appropriate
time
with
comments.
N
Work
on
the
principle,
but
it
was
excellent
right.
What
am
I
saying
was
saying
to
the
developers
a
lot
this
site
council
brooks
is
right
in
that
this
site
fits
into
the
part
of
the
community
in
the
salvage
community
in
kirkstall,
but
it's
burly,
but
all
names
frames
but
yeah.
She
write.
Burley
apologies
council
brooks
burley
right,
but
it's
also
peripheral
to
the
center
and
indeed
we
think
of
it
as
almost
part
of
the
city
center.
N
Don't
we
so
what
I
was
suggesting
is
that
council
brooks
is
right
and
then
we
need
to
be
strongly
thinking
about
achieving
more
than
two-bedroom
properties,
because
that,
to
my
mind
that
builds
a
stronger
community,
that
the
applicants
undeniably
want
to
build
three-bedroom
properties,
yeah,
so
three-bedroom
properties.
No,
I
did
anyway.
I've
said
well
because
you
weren't
listening
the
first-time
chair,
I
said
three-bedroom
properties
several
times.
You
remember
the
first
time
I
had
to
say
all
of
this.
J
J
We
have
negotiated
very
hard
with
the
developers
they're
aware
of
the
the
the
policy
position
and
the
and
the
preferred
target
they're
aware
of
the
recent
discussions
members
have
had
on
those
sites,
and
I
agree
with
you
that
perhaps
we
need
to
revisit
our
policy
and
make
it
more
distinct
so
that
it
it's
it's
less
of
a
broad
brush
approach
and
it
looks
at
local
character
in
more
detail,
but
that
that
is
going
to
take
some
time.
Adam
can
add
to
that.
But
we
are
working
on
that.
C
Yeah,
I
I
agree
with
what
dodgers
said
and
I
think
the
good
news
I
think
here
is
that
we
don't
need
to
wait
for
a
new
policy
because
we're
going
to
be
commissioning
a
new
strategy.
Housing
market
assessment
this
year,
hopefully
this
summer,
and
that
should
provide
us
with
a
lot
more
localized
data
about
the
the
concern
that
council
of
brooks
raised
about
what.
What
is
the
needs
in
certain
areas
rather
than
the
more
broad
brush
approach
which
mr
schma
currently
takes,
while
looking
at
hmca.
So
it
looks
at
the
city
centre.
C
It
looks
at
the
inner
areas,
which
are
obviously
very
complex
areas
when
you
take
them
as
a
whole,
but
actually,
when
we
look
more
more
specifically
more
local
based
on
things
like
super
output
areas,
we
can
perhaps
generate
far
better
more
richer
data
on
that,
and
the
benefit
of
the
current
wording
of
the
policy
is
that
it
makes
clear
that
what
we
should
be
striving
for
is
an
appropriate
mix
and
that's
what's
in
the
wording
of
the
policy
so
with
an
up-to-date
shmar,
which
I
would
hope
would
be
in
place
come
say
autumn
time
or
perhaps
winter.
C
This
year,
I
think
we'll
be
in
a
far
better
position
to
know
what
an
appropriate
mix
is
for
more
bespoke
localized
areas,
but
obviously
that
information
isn't
in
front
of
you
today
and
it's
not
going
to
be
available
for
for
a
number
of
months.
So
I
don't
think
it's
necessarily
data
that
can
obviously
can
be
relied
upon
because
it
doesn't
doesn't
exist,
but
just
just
to
kind
of
confirm
the
the
position
on
where
we'd
like
to
get
to
in
terms
of
this
policy.
C
A
lot
of
monitoring
data
to
show
that,
in
terms
of
its
effect,
we've
had
some
successes,
but
also
some
frustrations
in
terms
of
what
it's
delivering
on
the
ground.
We're
very
mindful
of
that
and
recognized
comments
that
members
have
made
over
the
last
few
years
on
those
points
and
and
are
obviously
looking
at
us
past.
The
local
plan
update
to
how
we
can
improve
that
policy
to
make
it
more
more
robust.
B
Can
I
ask
you
a
quick
question
in
relation
to
that
and
what
we've
been
asked
to
do
this
afternoon
now?
It
strikes
me.
We've
been
asked
this
afternoon
to
agree
a
principle
in
two
phases,
given
what
you
said
about
the
housing
needs
assessment
and-
and
it's
not
just
in
burley,
where
there's
a
problem,
there's
an
issue
because
it
crops
up
on
all
the
plants
panels.
B
Could
we
are
we
going
to
be
asked
today
to
agree?
In
effect,
the
housing
needs
assessment
for
the
entirety
of
the
site,
or
can
we
simply
say
we
accept
the
housing
needs
assessment
for
the
section
of
the
site,
the
first
section
of
the
site
that
we're
talking
about,
but
we
would
wish
to
review
the
second
section
of
the
site
when
the
new
policy
has
been
put
together,
which
you
tell
us
will
be
september.
So
it's
not
exactly
a
long
term
delay.
J
I
think
council
gamble
that
there
is
a
difference
between
the
the
detailed
element
of
the
site
and
the
outline,
but
but
because
of
the
wider
context
of
viability,
the
amount
of
affordable
housing
that's
been
generated
and
the
other
matters
are
being
raised.
So
far
in
the
meeting
we
are
being
asked
to
agree
to
10
percent
on
the
outline
phase
subject
to
a
housing
needs
assessment.
J
J
It's
there
will
be
there's
a
there's,
a
commitment
by
the
developer,
to
re-look
at
the
mix
for
the
outline
phase,
with
a
view
to
increasing
that,
but
uplifting
that
to
ten
percent
three
beds,
but
that
will
be
subject
to
for
the
housing
needs
assessment
at
that
time,
and
I
think
it
it's
it's
a
well
accepted
ruling
planning
we
have
to
deal
with
the
application
before
is
at
the
time,
we're
not
in
a
position
where
we
can
have
a
moratorium
on
these
applications,
even
though
it's
a
short
time
until
september.
J
The
the
the
spending
of
that
money,
as
members
will
have
noted
from
from
holmes
england,
which
has
been
committed
by
home
signal,
is
time.
Critical
and
members
will
have
noted
that
from
the
report.
So
the
reason
why
we
bring
this
to
you
is
because
you
need
to
make
a
decision
on
what's
before
us.
Thank
you,
chair.
B
I
think
we
all
appreciate
that
that
chair,
you
know,
we've
been
doing
this
a
while.
I
think
we
know
where
we
are
it's
just
if
I
may
put
it
into
terms
that
perhaps
I
understand
what
you're
saying
to
us
is
in
effect,
when
we
come
to
phase
two
at
that
point,
the
the
developer
will
have
reviewed
the
housing
mix
in
relation
to
whatever
the
housing
need
assessment
is
at
that
time.
B
Okay,
so
if
the
housing
need
assessment
is
different,
or
are
you
saying
up
to
a
maximum
of
ten
percent
right?
So
if
the
housing
needs
assessment
said
we
need
97,
3-bedroom
housing,
it
wouldn't
make
much
difference.
B
I
don't
think
I
don't
think
it
will
actually,
but,
but
I
think
what
you
know,
I
I
we
all
have
these
concerns
up,
because
we've
raised
this
issue.
Well,
we
almost
raised
every
every
month.
Don't
we
because
we
we
do
feel
that
that
we
are,
we
are
losing
the
opportunity
to
get
larger
properties
within
the
center,
and
I'm
just.
I
just
try
I'm
trying
to
work
out
a
mechanism
where
we
can
look
at
this
site,
the
other
half
of
this
site
in
relation
to
the
policies
that
apply
at
the
time
they
start
building.
T
I
think
we
just
need
to
look
back
at
the
conditions
and
just
absolutely
check
the
wording
down
you,
but
I
think
what
we've
said
is
that
we
would.
We
were
looking
in
the
outline
element
of
the
application
at
delivering
10
three
beds
as
part
of
that
as
part
of
that
application
under
reserve
matters.
So
you
know
we're.
We
appreciate
all
the
points
that
are
being
made
about
three
beds.
I
think
I'd
come
back
to
the
point
I
made
earlier
on
in
terms
of
the
the
challenge
that
we
face.
G
G
The
large
green
space
areas
is
the
overall
package
and
that
balance
that,
as
officers
we've
decided,
are
determined
for
ourselves
and
making
a
recommendation
is
definitely
in
favor
of
going
forward
with
this
scheme,
which
may
be
actually
unique,
it
may
be
a
unique
opportunity,
given
the
funding
levels
and
the
issue
around
that.
That's
that's
time,
critical.
So
that's
why
we
are
with
this
application
at
the
moment.
G
Clearly,
listen
to
members
views,
we've
done
that
and,
as
previously
mentioned,
the
three-bedroomed
issue
has
been
large
and
central
in
our
thoughts
over
the
last
few
months,
because
that's
reiterated
at
every
meeting
but
specifically
for
this
application
on
this
panel.
That's
the
conclusion
that
we've
reached
the
overall
balance
is
a
significant
benefit
to
the
city
as
a
whole.
A
N
Thank
you
chair.
I
appreciate
you
bringing
me
in
first,
so
I
think
the
applicants
have
discovered
this.
This
panel's,
rightful
obsession
with
three-bedroomed
properties,
so
let
let's
in
instead
go
on
to
the
good
stuff.
N
I
think
this
is
an
excellent
application
in
all,
but
the
three-bedroomed
issue,
and
I
think,
there's
a
way
through
that
as
officers
of
members
of
outline
this
afternoon,
I,
like
your
sheds,
I
think
it's
a
nudge
industrial
heritage.
N
I,
like
I,
like
the
color
palette
of
the
buildings,
the
variety
I
think
they'll
age
well
in
in
the
lead
skyline.
I
think
it
provides
much
needed
homes
perhaps
should
consider
just
how
much
better
this
application
is
from
some
of
the
other
previous
attempts
to
this
site,
which
were
pretty
pretty
bad
as
if
anyone
was
cares
to
look
at
our
youtube
channel,
they'll
they'll.
If
it
goes
back
that
far
we'll
see
some
some
druggings,
that
applications
got
and
that
this
one's
not
received
that
we've
focused
on
one
particular
issue.
N
I
think
the
phasing
is
good
and
welcome.
There
is
an
apple.
There
is
a
development
which
I
won't
name
names.
That's
not
that
far
away
which
phase
one
has
been
built
and
it
says,
come
spend
300
000
pounds
on
a
flat
to
look
over
a
sea
of
gravel
for
the
next
10
years.
It's
it's
not
great
and
your
your
phasing
doesn't
lead
to
that
which
is
which
is
excellent.
N
People
pleased
with
the
approach
to
energy.
In
so
far
as
much
where
we
are
with
policy.
The
cycle,
hub's
a
good
start,
a
good
feature
and
I
think,
chair
at
an
appropriate
juncture,
I'd
be
prepared
to
move
the
recommendations
thanks.
A
Thank
you,
neil
caroline,
please.
E
Thank
you.
I
agree
with
neil's
assessment
of
the
scheme.
I
think
it's
a
good
overall
scheme
and
I'm
encouraged
by
the
con
careful
consideration
of
the
interplay
between
what
happens
at
ground
level
and
what
happens
at
high-rise
level.
I'm
encouraged
by
that.
I
did
have
a
question
in
my
own
head
about
the
four
town
houses,
but
now
I've
heard
the
rationale.
E
I
I
like
the
townhouse
idea
and
I
like
the
fact
that
you're
bringing
different
types
of
residential
accommodation
onto
the
one
site,
I
think
it's
an
excellent
use
of
of
brownfield
and
it's
the
direction
that
we
should
be
going
in.
I
haven't
had
my
chance
yet
to
put
my
ore
in
on
the
three-bedroom
fixing,
so
I
am
going
to
take
the
opportunity
now
chair.
I
think
that
we,
our
city
center,
is
changing
and
needs
to
change.
E
I
think
we've
all
come
to
an
agreement
that
we
we
don't
want
everybody
to
live
on
the
outer
rim
and
nobody
to
live
happily
in
the
middle
and
in
order
to
create
stable
communities
centrally.
We
do
need
three
bedroom
accommodation
in
the
center
and
we
need
to
be
serious
about
that
on
panel.
We
need
to
start
putting
our
foot
down
about
that
in
panel
in
good
time,
not
not
sort
of
now
when
it's
before
us,
and
this
is
a
decision
to
be
made
that
change
won't
happen
unless
we
make
it
change.
E
If
we
always
base
our
expectation
about
need
on
what
currently
is
the
need
or
on
what
currently
is
the
style
of
living,
then
we
won't
change
as
a
city
we've
got
to
move
forward.
We
need
to
attract
families
to
the
city
centre,
families
who
want
to
live
comfortably
and
creatively
in
the
city
center.
If
we
don't
create
places
where
they
can
do
that,
they
will
continue
not
to
live
there.
So
I
think
that's
a
really
important
point
for
the
future
really
important.
E
I
would
love
to
hear
more
about
the
formal
and
football
play
areas,
a
particular
interest
of
mine,
and
I
see
that
the
consultation
on
the
planting
and
landscaping
has
resulted
in
a
very
positive
paragraph
in
the
report
there,
so
I'm
assuming
that
is
of
the
high
quality
that's
described
there,
which
is
excellent
and
a
good
amount
of
green
space.
So
I
I
do
think
it's
a
good
scheme,
but
I
do
think
we
have
to
grasp
this
nettle
of
how
we're
going
to
create
family
environments
in
the
city
centre.
A
Thank
you,
caroline
council
gathway.
Please.
P
Yes,
thank
you.
I
agree
with
a
great
deal
of
well
what's
been
said
about
three-bedroom
housing,
so
I
won't
repeat
that
again.
I,
like
the
landscaping,
a
lot
from
what
I've
seen
of
it.
I
like
the
attitude
towards
the
mixed
play,
space,
formal
informal
and
I
like
the
flexible
space
in
what
we've
been
calling
the
sheds,
but
I
would
say
that
I
think,
while
I
agree
with
it
being
flexible,
there
is
a
limit
to
that.
In
that
I
know
some
of
our
residents
will
not
meet
in
a
room
that
has
a
bar
in
it.
P
You
know
it
wouldn't
be
suitable
as
a
prayer
room,
for
example,
it
wouldn't
be
suitable
even
as
a
residence
meeting
or
an
educational
activity,
so
that
would
be
a
limit
and
then,
if
it
is
to
be
a
nursery
rather
than
a
crash,
there
are
also
safety
considerations
that
apply.
I'm
sure
you've
thought
of
all
this
from
your
nodding,
but
I
do
feel
quite
strongly
that
we
need
to
take
all
members
of
the
community
into
account,
rather
than
just
focusing
on
one
or
two
and
then
thereby
discriminating
against
the
rest.
Thank
you.
S
I
think
it's
really
important.
I
think
the
bit
you
said
about
is
the
most
cultural
use
of
our
space
is
really
important
to
us
as
an
organization.
So
so
ultimately,
what
we're
going
to
have
here
is
it
will
be
what
we
call
the
williamson
community
center,
who
is
our
founder
of
our
organization,
which
will
be
a
multi-fair
space
for
anybody
to
use.
So
we
won't
discriminate
about
anybody
in
this,
and
that
will
be
part
of
that
flexible
space.
S
So
there
might
be
one
end
where
it's
actually
food
and
beverage
and
everything
else,
but
there
will
be
space
there.
That
will
be
for
the
wider
community
to
use
for
birthday
parties
whatever
they
want
to,
but
anybody
can
use
it
and
there'll
be
nothing
to
offend
anybody
in
that
and
that's
part
of
what
we
do
and
we
have
that
on
our
estates
across
the
country
we've
been
doing
that
for
over
100
years.
A
O
Thanks
jeff,
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
what's
been
said.
I
think
a
lot
of
the
developments
we've
seen
have
been
developments
that
don't
necessarily
create
a
place
but
fit
in
the
space.
Whereas
actually
looking
at
this-
and
I
don't-
I
don't
think
I've
said
it
on
any-
and
I
don't
say
it
lightly-
this
does
look
like
a
village
or
a
neighborhood
and
a
community
of
people
and
that's
come
through
the
variety
of
the
designs
on
the
buildings:
the
differences
in
heights.
O
I
I
like
this
sheds
there's
a
lot
of
nice
sheds
out
in
fosley
if
you
want
to
visit
our
new
brewery
in
one
and
all
of
those-
and
this
looks
really
good
and
living
just
across
living
just
across
the
road
from
here
on
the
birdie
lodges
for
a
while,
we
haven't
really
talked
about
the
landscaping
today,
but
living
there.
O
Why
can't
I
just
get
through
that
big
dent
industrial
block
there
to
where
there
is
a
river
to
take
my
mind
off
the
the
inner
city,
and
I
think
that's
a
really
useful
thing
that
this
develops
and
I
think
it's
done
really
well.
So
I
think
there
is
the
the
difficulty
with
the
three
beds
that
we
always
want
to
see
more,
but
overall,
on
balance,
I
think
this
development
has
a
lot
of
positives
to
it,
and
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
that
hold
this
one
back.
H
Well,
I've
there's,
there's
been
an
awful
lot
said
about
everything
other
than
design
here,
and
we
talked
about
design
early
on
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
and
one
thing
that
I
I
said,
and
everybody
said
yeah
great,
is
that
we
want
to
in
the
future
people
to
look
at
what
we've
passed
and
say
that
we've
improved
some
improved
the
place
and,
honestly
and
truly
I
don't
know
whether
it's
the
the
way
that
the
images
are
presented
to
us.
H
But,
honestly
and
truly,
I
don't
think
I
don't
think
they
do
themselves
any
any
credit
at
all
in
the
presentation
of
of
what
they
want
to
build.
These
huge
lowering
buildings.
People
might
like
the
sheds
and
I've
just
been
making
notes
as
we
go
along.
H
Don't
look
to
me
very
much
like
we've
all
seen
road
movies,
where
the
car
pulls
up
outside
one
of
these
places
and
they
go
inside
and
there's
an
empty
bar
and
sort
of
things
like
that.
It's
that
sort
of
place,
which
I
don't
know
somehow
doesn't
relate
it's
almost
like
pulling
something
people-sized
into
a
landscape
of
buildings
that
are
far
from
people.
H
Sized,
so
I
I,
I
think
that
something
more
could
be
done
to
make
the
site
as
a
whole
relevant
to
itself
as
opposed
to
buildings,
admittedly
for
uses,
but
not
designed
as
a
whole.
One
of
the
gentlemen
referred
to
exciting
spaces.
Yes,
it's
some
gorgeous
open
space
in
this
place,
but
it's
as
I
say
it
totally
surrounded
by
these
and
lowering
is
the
only
word
I
can
or
lowering
it's.
The
only
word
I
can
think
of
about
these
buildings
looming
over
you
as
you
as
you
use
these
these
exciting
spaces.
H
I
honestly,
truly,
I
think
this
lets
down
that
particular
bit
of
riverbank,
I'm
not
saying
anything
about
its
suitability
for
its
purpose,
just
my
boat,
but
subject
how
it
looks
you
know
I
I
leave
other
people
to
organize
how
people
what
they
do
inside
and
how
they
get
on
inside
buildings.
H
I
want
the
buildings
to
look
right
and
I
don't.
I
don't
think
these
do
so.
It's
with
a
bit
of
disappointment
that
I
look
at
my
last
plans
funnel
item
and
it's
not
one
that
I
can.
I
can
say
yes
great.
I
love
it
because
I
don't.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
Graeme
david
next,
please.
D
I
generally
support
the
application.
I've
got
a
lot
of
difficulty
with
it
with
a
breakdown
of
housing.
I
mean
not
wishing
to
concentrate
caroline.
I
don't
see
this
as
being
power.
D
That
goes
round
the
city
centre,
where
we
need
family
homes
and
all
of
us
who
are
touching
on
that
donut
know
how
many
people
want
rented
accommodation
in
that
area,
and
I
don't
think
that
this
game
delivers.
On
that
I
mean
what
we're
talking
about.
There
are
the
sorcery,
rented
there's
109
one
bed,
58
two
beds
and
no
three
beds,
and
we
were
quite
right.
We
were
questioning
about
that.
It
is
he's
not
on
whether
we
can
do
what
about
it.
D
Is
it
as
a
matter
for
the
future
really,
but,
as
I
said
as
as
far
as
development
goes,
I'm
quite
happy
with
it.
I
think
what
needs
to
be
done
and
it's
like
the
devil's
into
detail,
isn't
it
so
if
you
can
get
it
right
so
that
those
townhouses
fit
in,
if
you
can
get
those
sheds
to
be
that,
I
know
I
wouldn't
and
the
one
that
councillor
cardinal
was
talking
about.
I
hope
it
didn't
like
that
one,
because
it's
very
expensive.
D
And
he
knows
as
well,
because
he
told
me,
but
the
thing
is,
is
that
we've
got
to
get
we've
got
to
get
that
right
and
if
you
get
that
right,
it
will
work.
If
you
don't
get
it
right,
it
will.
I'd
have
liked
to
see
a
walkthrough
that
would
have
been
really
helpful.
D
That
would
have
would
have
done
that,
but
in
general
I'm
supportive.
But,
as
I
said,
I'm
I'm
disappointed
about
about
the
housing
mix.
Okay,.
A
R
R
Looking
at
the
sheds,
I
I
actually
like
the
sheds
one
of
my
concerns
about
them
and
it
actually
ties
in
something
that
the
council
latte
has
spoken
to,
which
is
about
the
design
and
actually,
we've
got
a
lot
of
high-rise
around
there.
That
are
all
going
to
be
looking
down
on
what
is
actually
a
very,
very
hideously,
boring,
roof
and
roof
feature
and
actually
there's
a
lot
of
height
about
there.
And
when
you
look
at
it's
a
very
plain
dull,
but
actually
a
lot
of
once.
R
I
classify
a
lot
of
industrial
architecture,
did
look
at
roof
and
actually
make
roof.
Scape
more
interesting
broke
it
up
a
bit
and
that's
actually
something
that
I
think
really
could
be
done
there,
particularly
given
that
actually
it's
your
customers
fundamentally
you're,
saying
look
at
this.
You
know
find
it's
not
a
sea
of
gravel,
but
it
is
a
very,
very
duller's,
ditch
water
roof.
So
I
make
that
comment.
R
I
am
as
frustrated
as
colleagues
actually
around
around
the
three
bed
piece,
because
it's
something
as
a
panel
we
say
repeatedly
and
actually
there's
a
policy
there.
There
is
a
policy
there
and
it
frustrates
me
that
officers
seem
to
suggest
to
us
that
we
should
not
be
being
more
robust
about
the
policy
that
we
have,
that
I
don't
know
how
we
make
it
more
robust
candidly,
it's
there
in
black
and
white
and-
and
I
look
to
certainly
for
the
next
two
weeks-
the
group
opposite
who
are
in
administration.
R
Who
could
you
know,
vote
through
a
much
stronger
policy,
because
because
we
can't
there
is,
I
believe
in
two
weeks-
I'm
told
I've
heard
rumors,
but
but
but
you
know
it's,
I
I
hear
colleagues
irrespective
of
where
we
may
sit
in
the
gym
all
say
the
same
thing
on
this
issue,
and
yet
it
should
not
be
beyond
the
wit
of
woman
or
man
or
anybody
else
to
to
deal
with
this.
R
R
I
know
they're,
not
they
don't
mean
it
they're
not
going
to
they're
not
going
to
listen
at
all,
but
they'll
pretend,
but,
but
if
we
could
perhaps
do
slightly
more
than
the
usual
and
really
push
this
needs
to
be
far
closer,
we
recently
allowed
something
through
with
ten
percent
three
bed,
and
we
said
that's
our
marker
in
the
sand
that
apparently
has
been
washed
over
by
the
river
air
in
this
particular
instance.
Thank
you.
R
A
Thank
you
dan
kaylee.
Please.
L
Thank
you
chair.
I
think
I
think
just
very
quickly.
The
reason
that
I
bang
on
so
much
about
the
three
bed
thing
is
because
I
have
a
lot
of
families
living
in
my
ward
in
the
city
centre
ward,
one
of
two
living
in
one
two
bed
flats
with
two
and
three
kids.
L
So
there
is
a
need
there
in
the
area.
This
is
why
I
bang
on
about
it
so
much.
I
feel
sitting
on
this
panel
that
I
would
be
letting
people
down.
If
I
don't
mention
it,
if
I
don't
fight
for
it,
and
I'm
I'm
really
grateful
for
the
other
panel
members
for
backing
me
up
on
this,
because
I
know
that
it's
not
it's
not
just
my
ward,
it's
just
that.
L
I
feel
it
a
bit
more
acutely
because
of
the
there's
so
many
jobs
and
so
many
opportunities
in
in
the
ward.
So
so
I
just
wanted
to
get
that
out
of
the
way
before
I
go
on
to
the
the
good
parts
of
the
of
the
development,
so
the
sheds,
I
think,
are
actually
quite
good.
I
agree
that
the
the
roofs
might
need
something
doing
to
them.
Maybe
greening
up
a
nice
big
tree
if
possible,
yeah
on
the
roof,
yeah
that'd
be
good.
Wouldn't
it
some
sheep.
L
In
where
yeah
yeah
yeah
well,
it
was
now
it's
in
my
belly
yeah.
I
think
I
think
the
big
strip
of
of
greenery,
the
big
new
new
walkway
park
is,
is
going
to
be
an
absolute
boom
to
the
local
community
and
yeah.
I
think
I
think
it's
it's
overall,
a
good,
a
good
development.
It's
just
the
the
housing
mix
issue
really
does
get
my
goat.
So
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
kelly
colin.
Please.
B
B
I
I
get
really
depressed
actually,
because
we
sit
here.
We
come
week
in
week
out
ringing
our
hands
about,
in
this
case
three
bedroom
and
every
single
person
here
has
said.
B
I
I
I
I
appreciate
we're
gonna
pass
this
today,
but
I
just
wanna
raise
one
issue
and
I
I'm
glad
I
asked
the
question
about
the
townhouses,
because
I
do
understand
what
you're
trying
to
do
you
know.
Initially.
B
As
we
said,
there
were
four
and
you
think
that's
an
odd
number,
but
looking
at
the
drawing,
I
just
have
some
concerns
in
relation
to
security,
because
the
townhouses
seem
to
open
out
straight
out
onto
the
footpath
shared
surface,
and
I
just
wonder
why
there
isn't
any
defensible
space
even
if
it's
just
a
set
of
railings.
B
You
know
maybe
a
meter,
and
I
would
just
ask:
can
we
have
a
look
at
that
because
I'm
not
sure
about
how
defensible
those
spaces
are
when
the
picture
shows
the
cargo
bike
going
past
and
a
shady
looking
character
in
in
the
corner
there,
I'm
assuming
he's
going
into
the
house,
but
you
never
know,
but
I
you
know
this
is
the
time
to
get
the
security
right.
B
Isn't
it
we
don't
want
to
have
a
situation
where
you
know
we'll,
hopefully
to
be
a
lively,
we're
open
space
there'll,
be
people
coming
from
all
over
burleigh
to
walk
through
here
and
have
a
drink
in
a
shed.
So
you
know
there'll
be
a
lot
of
people
on
that
street
and
I
think
it's
important
that
that
the
people
who
live
in
those
amazonettes
feel
secure.
A
You're
not
asking
for
a
comment,
but
you've
certainly
raised
questions.
That
officers
will
look
at
councilworld,
paul
councilwood.
Please.
F
Thank
you
chair.
Just
on
the
three-bedroom
thing.
I
I
think
that
I
just
hope
this
application
does
not
become
the
benchmark.
I
hope
that
the
previous
one
where
we
negotiated
10
and
I
thought
that
was
going
to
be
our
bottom
line.
I
hope
that
is
the
benchmark
and
I
just
hope
that
well
shall
I
rephrase
it.
Members
of
the
administration
can
sort
of
be
guaranteed
on
our
support
on
that.
But
you
know
we
have
to
we.
F
We
are
where
we
are,
but
this
application
on
the
three-bedroom
stuff
just
tend
to
take
the
mickey
really
out
of
three
bedrooms
really
and
colleen
is
right:
we're
not
going
to
refuse
it
on
that,
but
maybe
we
should,
if
we're
really
serious
about
three
bedrooms,
I'll
leave
that
for
other
members
to
contemplate.
F
This
is
a
blocky
scheme
on
on
design,
and
I
do
take
what
council
abachi
says
about
very
tall
buildings,
but
we've
got
to
remember
it's
high
density
and
they're
always
going
to
be
blocky
schemes
when
that
when
the
high
density-
and
I
think
it
probably
shows
more
because
we
have
some
high
density,
housing
and
low
very
low
density
amenity
space
in
the
shed,
so
I
think
that's
where
the
differential
shows
more.
I'm
not
saying
it's
bad,
but
it
shows
more.
What
I
am
pleased
this
and
I
thought
councillor
grew
and
might
have
raised.
F
This
is
the
number
of
balconies
that
are
on
and
the
number
of
balconies
at
high
level,
because
we
are
told
we
can't
outbox
at
a
high
level.
It
appears
these
are
a
high
level.
I
appreciate
the
balconies
we
see
on
some
of
the
images
are
only
where
the
views
are.
We
don't
see
any
balconies
where
there
aren't
any
views
and
the
balconies
are
not
really
for
the
view
benefit.
The
balconies
are
to
give
people
private
open
space.
Should
we
ever
return
to
what
we
were
in
two
years
ago,
where
people
need
private,
open
space?
F
So
so
so
that's
that's
a
good
thing
to
see
the
the
riverside
park.
Walkway
is
really
good
to
see
and
the
additional
crossing
across
the
river
is
there.
I
just
want
to
say:
I
hope
that
we
get
all
the
niceties
and
don't
end
up
with
the
blocky
stuff
without
the
niceties
and
the
townhouses
falling
face
in
the
first
phase.
Do
look
very
odd,
and
so
I
would
be
very
disappointed
if
we
didn't
get
that
continuation
in
the
outline
when
it
becomes
detailed.
Otherwise
it
will
look
hideous
with
just
four
in
the
old
development.
A
Thank
you
paul
liz.
Please.
M
M
I
do
like
to
go
out
and
have
a
drink
and
socialize
with
people,
but
quite
frankly,
as
they
are
at
the
moment,
they
are
boring
and
there's
no
reason
why
they
should
be
boring
and
they
do
not
relate
to
the
development
which
is
all
around
them.
On
page
eight,
you
can
see
one
of
these
sheds,
which
looks
at
odds
with
the
blocky
development
of
the
rest
of
the
area,
and
I
do
take
the
point
that
there's
a
lot
of
boring
roof
space
that
residents
are
going
to
have
to
look
down
on.
M
I
did
suggest
earlier
on
that
they
might
have
a
look
at
their
former
imperial
picture
house
and
at
least
the
facades
could
be
enlivened,
but
really
something
does
need
to
be
done
about
them.
It
looks
as
though
they've
just
been
stuck
in
there
as
an
afterthought,
and
I
take
counselor
latte's
point
in
50
years
time.
Somebody
is
going
to
say
who
on
earth
agreed
to
that.
M
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
liz.
I
I
think
that
concludes
comments.
I
think
it's
been
very
informative
to
develop
my
site
on
disabled.
The
message
has
come
over
very
very
clearly
regarding
three
bedrooms
and
just
like
to
say
that
colin
cullen,
you
will
remember
the
time
when
we
were
only
achieving
three
percent
three
bedrooms
and
then
we
changed
policy
to
seven
and
we're
now
seeing
very
much
ten
percent
as
a
as
a
benchmark.
So
we
have
moved
a
fair
way.
We
have.
A
A
Fine,
okay,
so
we
have
had
the
mover
on
the
second
and
nothing.
Nothing
is
changed
off
off
of
my
personal
side
of
the
screen.
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
recommendation.
Please
show.
Okay,
thank
you.
It
goes
against.
A
A
I
think
it's
helped
the
panel
a
great
deal
and
I
quite
like
the
idea
of
the
changes
we
will
see
to
it
whether
the
sheds
are
still
there
or
about
something
else,
but
I
did
like
the
idea
of
council
nash
talk
about
the
imperial
cinema,
which
maybe
could
be
incorporated
so
something
to
consider
and
take
back
the
panel
and
see
if
they
agree
with
that.
But
thank
you
for
your
presentation
and
thank
you
for
your
patience.