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From YouTube: Leeds City Council - Consultative Meeting of Members of the Development Plan Panel - 18/01/22
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B
D
Thank
you
very
much
so
good
afternoon
everybody
and
welcome
to
the
consultative
meeting
in
the
development
plan
panel.
My
name
is
councilman
walters,
I'm
actually
all
aware
and
I'll
be
sharing
today's
meeting,
so
you've
got
a
few
comments
to
make
regarding
the
meeting
and
that
production
so
just
confirm
that
today's
meeting
in
the
development
plan
panel
is
a
consultative
meeting,
we're
all
online
from
our
respective
front
rooms,
bedrooms,
offices,
places
of
work
and
what
have
you?
As
you
all
know,
the
legislation
wasn't
renewed.
D
That
means
we
could
have
meetings
where
we
take
decisions
remotely.
So
this
is
a
consultative
meeting,
any
any
decisions.
We
need
to
be
ratified
at
a
full
meeting
of
development
plan
panel
in
the
future,
so
we're
going
to
do
some
introductions
and
if
you
don't
mute,
your
microphones
as
you're
all
very
experienced
to
do
once.
You've
introduced
yourself.
E
D
G
Again,
council
hayden,
I
think,
is
his
internet
was
just
a
bit
dodgy.
We
were
just
just
about
to
do
introductions,
so
I
don't
know
whether
someone
else
can
lead
those.
K
F
Good
afternoon,
everyone,
my
name
is
councillor
helen
hayden,
I'm
bathed
in
beautiful
sunlight
at
the
moment
here
in
temple,
news
and
ward
and
I'm
also
executive
member
for
infrastructure
and
climate.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you
very
much
council
mckenna.
D
Thanks
now
eileen
this,
this
sports.
Well,
doesn't
it
folks?
Second,
it's
just
going
to
be
one
of
those
meetings.
Isn't
it
no
worries?
Well,
we
shall
get
around
as
best
we
can
now
we
have
a
whole
host
of
officers
that
are
joining
us
for
the
various
items
today
and
I'm
not
sure
I've
got
an
exhausted
list
in
front
of
me,
but
let's
go.
Let's
start
from
the
list,
so
martin
elliot.
B
M
Philippe
country,
hello,
principal
legal
officer
and
legal
advisor
to
the
panel
this
afternoon.
M
Good
afternoon
caroline
harris
planning
assistant
in
policy
and
plans
team.
D
G
Just
to
help
you
out
chair,
we've
got
dan
goland
who's,
a
planner
within
policy
and
plans
and
anup
sharma
who's,
a
planner
within
policy
and
plans.
They're
working
on
the
local
plan.
B
I've
not
received
any
formal
apologies,
but
I'm
councillor,
campbell
and
finnegan
do
appear
to
be
here.
D
Okay,
thanks
very
much
for
that.
I
gender
item
number
two.
D
D
Due
to
the
nature
of
this
meeting,
the
minutes
are
being
attached
agenda
for
information
only
and
we're
brought
to
the
meeting
in
march
to
be
formally
accepted
when
we
meet
in
person
for
a
full
meeting
of
dpp
but
challenge
members
at
this
point,
could
you
is
there
any
issues
you
want
to
raise
with
either
set
of
of
minutes,
and
then
we
can
confirm
those
in
march,
but
if
anyone's
got
any
issues
with
the
minutes,
now
is
the
time
I
don't
propose
to
go
through
them
page
by
page
I
want
to
get
onto
our
more
substantive
items,
but
I'll
take
silence
for
everyone's
fine
and
dandy
with
the
minutes.
D
L
That's
absolutely
fine,
I'm
going
to
present
my
screen.
If
that's
okay,
this
is
the
first
time
I've
done
it
for
this
meeting
for
a
little
while,
so
please
bear
with
me.
Hopefully
it'll
go
relatively
smoothly.
Can
everybody
see
that
okay,
excellent
excellent?
That's
what
we
wanted
to
see
yeah.
So
thank
you,
chair
we've.
This
is
obviously
a
presentation
related
to
the
local
planned
update,
and
this
report
can
just
double
check
that
you
can
see
that
I've
changed.
The
slides
is
that
working
okay,
excellent,
okay!
L
It
seems
to
be
going
okay.
So
far,
so
this
presentation
is
intended
to
provide
an
update
on
the
local
plan
update.
The
report
itself
includes
four
broad
areas:
one
the
report
of
consultation,
two
discussion
on
the
scope
of
the
local
plan,
update
three
introducing
the
assessment
of
policy
options
and
an
update
on
recent
government
publications.
L
I'm
not
proposing
to
go
through
this
in
detail
a
because
members
have
seen
a
majority
of
this
before
in
the
presentation
and
papers
at
the
november
meeting.
As
an
interim
update
and
b,
because
many
of
the
issues
that
are
raised
within
it
and
that
are
presented
also
present
themselves
in
later
parts
of
this
presentation,
particularly
for
scope
and
for
the
policy
options,
but
in
summary,
across
the
760
representations
that
we
received,
there
was
strong
support
for
the
scope
of
the
plan
as
proposed
and
through
my
members.
L
That
focus
is
sorry
that
scope
is
focused
on
new
policies
to
help
address
the
climate
emergencies
across
the
five
topic
areas.
However,
as
noted
in
november
and
again
in
this
report,
it
is
important
to
recognize
that
alternative
scopes
and
policy
areas
have
been
presented
to
us
and
they
require
consideration
and
we
did
an
element
of
this
in
november.
But
it's
important,
I
think,
to
to
revisit
and
finalise
as
far
as
we
can
in
this
consultative
meeting.
L
So
this
will
form
the
next
part
of
the
presentation.
But
in
addition
to
that,
it's
also
really
important
to
recognize
that
we
receive
many
detailed
comments
on
detailed
policy
matters
that
are
helping
us
to
develop
policy
options.
And
this
will
be
the
subject
to
the
final
part
of
this
presentation
and
obviously,
following
that
we're
going
to
come
on
to
the
statement
of
community
involvement.
L
Okay,
so
the
scope
of
the
local
plan
update
paragraph
7
in
the
report
onwards,
considers
the
alternative
scope
and
scopes
proposed
to
the
plan.
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
all
of
these
in
detail
as
they
are
given
full
consideration
in
the
report.
L
However,
there
are
a
number
which
may
benefit
from
being
highlighted,
so
so,
firstly,
as
you
can
see
on
the
on
the
slide,
there's
a
list
there
of
of
the
alternative
scopes
have
been
raised
and,
as
I
say,
paragraph
seven
covers
those,
as
does
parts
of
the
report
of
consultation.
So
it's
considered
the
matter,
such
as
the
housing
requirement,
distribution,
affordable
housing,
employment,
land
requirements
and
specialized
housing
for
older
people
are
matters
that
that
can
be
and
are
better
addressed
through
the
local
plan
update
too.
L
That
is
primarily
because
they
don't
directly
relate
to
the
objectives
of
the
plan,
I.e
that
focus
on
addressing
the
climate
emergency
and
given
resources
and
the
stated
intention
to
prioritize
policies
for
the
climate
emergency.
It
is
not
considered
reasonable
to
include
these
policy
areas
within
the
scope
of
the
local
pun
update.
That
is
not
to
say
that
they
don't
have
some
relevance
to
it.
L
It's
certainly
not
to
say
that
they're
not
really
important
issues
with
regard
to
blue
infrastructure
as
referenced
in
november
and
debates
that
we
had
before
the
publication
of
the
consultation,
material,
blue
infrastructure.
We
we
believe,
should
have
more
primacy
in
the
plan
and
there
are
references
in
the
plan
already,
both
in
the
flood
risk
and
the
green
infrastructure
sections.
L
But
a
number
of
consultees
feel
that
those
references
do
need
to
be
elevated
and
that's
something,
as
I
say
that
we've
discussed
before,
and
we
would
agree
in
principle
with
that
subject
to
the
relevant
sustainability
appraisals
considerations
being
undertaken.
But
we
we
think
that
would
neatly
fit
as
a
as
a
combined
green
and
blue
infrastructure
topic
paper
and
on
topic,
and
I
feel
like
that
would
be
how
that
could
be
accommodated.
L
The
second
issue,
which
is
related
to
the
declaration
of
the
climate
emergency,
is
what
has
been
raised
to
us
as
the
ecological
emergency
and
as
described
in
the
report,
it
is
considered
that
many
aspects
of
the
ecological
emergency
are
already
well
within
the
scope
of
the
plan
and
already
well
considered
within
the
plan,
such
as
nature
conservation,
biodiversity
place,
making
flood
risk
amongst
many
others.
L
So
it's
not
thought
necessary
that
it's
to
add
the
term
ecological
emergency
to
the
scope
of
the
plan,
but
instead
stronger
referencing
to
the
ecological
emergency
could
be
made
within
the
plan
and
future
policies.
So
we're
not
proposing
to
add
it
to
the
scope,
because
we
feel
it's
already
in
principle
within
it.
L
We
don't
we're
not
proposing
to
add
it
as
a
topic
paper
in
its
own
right,
but
we
do
feel
it's
important
that
it
perhaps
is
given
more
recognition
within
the
material
for
the
next
round
of
consultation
and
perhaps
in
policies
as
we
write
them.
L
The
last
consideration
on
this
slide
is
heritage
assets
and
just
to
be
absolutely
clear.
This
this
emerged
from
a
comment
made
by
historic
england
with
specific
reference
to
leeds
historic
mill
buildings,
but
we
do
think
it
raises
a
wider
issue
of
the
interrelationship
between
modern
construction
standards
which
have
a
focus
on
local
low-carbon
operation
and
construction
on
the
one
hand,
but
also
the
preservation
of
buildings
that
may,
in
theory,
struggle
to
meet
such
standards.
L
On
the
other
hand,
so
we
consider
it
is
reasonable
to
reflect
this
issue
within
further
iterations
of
the
plan
to
ensure
that
we
are
giving
due
regard
to
heritage
assets
and
their
cultural
and
historic
benefits
to
leads
and
to
make
sure
that
we
don't,
I
suppose,
accidentally,
perhaps
the
wrong
word,
but
without
due
care
and
attention.
I
suppose
allow
policies
to
put
at
risk
that
that
important
cultural
and
historic
assets
that
we
have
in
leeds,
so
the
issues
raised
as
mill
buildings.
L
The
next
slide
is
obviously
a
continuation
and
it
shows
again
another
list
of
of
the
alternative
scopes
that
propose
and,
as
I
say,
I'm
not
proposing
to
go
through
all
of
these,
but
try
and
pull
out
some
examples.
They
are
all
everything
that's
on.
This
slide
is
covered
within
the
report
and
obviously
happy
to
take
comments
and
questions
on
anything
that
I'm
not
covering
verbally
now,
the
next
one.
I
think
that
I'm
going
to
pull
out
is
the
the
comments
related
to
health
equity
and
reducing
other
inequalities.
L
As
the
report
hopefully
makes
clear,
it
is
hoped
and
expected
that
the
local
plan
update
will
contribute
to
reducing
inequalities
and
expect
that
that
will
be
the
case
and
there
may
be
benefits
in
including
strengthening
wording
with
regard
to
these,
particularly
with
the
obvious
linkages,
with
place.
Making
green
infrastructure
there's
already
a
really
clear
focus
on
health
in
the
place,
making
chapter
and
obvious
linkages
in
the
green
infrastructure
section
as
well.
However,
you
know
it
so
it
could
be
considered
that
we
can
make
more
more
strength.
L
Sorry,
stronger
references
to
health,
equity
and
other
inequalities,
if
considered
necessary,
but
we
don't
consider
it
necessary
to
alter
the
scope
to
add
sort
of
health
equity
to
necessarily
be
a
clear
objective
of
the
plan,
given
how
it's
already
dealt
with
another
issue
is
that
of
electric
vehicle
charging
points,
and
this
was
raised
in
particular
from
a
consultee
who
was
the
issue
of
areas
of
off-street
parking
and
how
they
could
access
electrical
vehicle
vehicle
charging
points
and,
as
reflected
in
the
in
the
report,
we
do
already
have
up-to-date
policies
in
general
on
electric
charging
points
and
it's,
I
think
it's
important
that
any
reconsideration
of
that
doesn't
unpick
what
have
very
hard-won
policies,
but
instead
helps
us
to
move
further
forward.
L
So
I
think
we
will
consider
so
what
the
report
makes
clear.
I
hope
is
that
we
will
consider
aspects
of
of
electric
vehicle
charging
points
in
the
next
iteration
of
the
plan,
but
I
just
wanted
to
note
raise
that
note
of
caution
that
what
we
don't
want
to
do
is
lose
the
progress
that
we've
already
made
on
electric
vehicle
charging
points
to
make
sure
that
we
can
just
move
forward
on
that.
L
So
if
we
can
help
to
look
at
off-street
parking
issues
which
are
challenging
for
planning,
because
so
many
of
them
don't
require
planning
approval,
particularly
where
it's
in
existing
built
up
areas,
but
obviously
we'll
try
and
look
at
that
as
far
as
we
can
next-
and
I
suppose
finally,
in
terms
of
me
pulling
out,
examples
is
that
of
soils,
and
it
is
considered
that
this
does
fall
within
the
scope
of
the
plan.
L
L
So,
as
members
could
see
that
you
know
the
there
are
further
scope
considerations
on
on
the
slides
and
detailed
in
the
report
which
I
haven't
gone
through
through
verbally.
This
slide
here
repeats
the
the
the
proposed
final
scope
of
the
plan,
which
is
contained
within
the
report.
L
I
won't
read
this
out,
but
I
can
leave
it
on
the
screen
for
consideration
and
chair.
I
wonder
if
if,
if
now
is
a
good
time
to
pause,
to
take
comments
and
questions
on
the
scope
and
the
report
of
consultation
or
whether
we
could
go
straight
to
the
to
kind
of
the
consideration
of
policy
options,
it's
your
hands
really.
D
Yeah,
it's
it's
a
good
point.
Well,
we'll
put
that
to
to
colleagues.
Has
anyone
got
any
questions
you
want
to
raise
now
or
do
we
want
to
press
on
through
cancer
anderson?
I
can
see
you've
indicated.
H
Do
you
mean
you
want
comments
on
what's
been
said
so
far,
yeah
yeah?
Well,
the
I
mean
I
I
preface
what
I'm
about
to
say
in
that.
I
think
we've
got
to
move
this
forward
as
quickly
as
possible
and
any
discussions
or
arguments
that
we
have
is
actually
only
delaying
reaching
a
lot
of
the
objectives
that
we
would
like
to
reach.
That
said
where
it's,
where
the
first
one
was
about,
the
plan
should
reassess
the
housing
requirement
and
its
spatial
distribution.
H
I'd
make
five
six
six
points.
I
think
it
is
all
together.
There's
been
no
men,
I
mean
in
terms
of
how
this
would
affect
climate
change.
Well,
the
amount
of
travelling
the
travel
distances
that
people
will
need
to
travel
in
some
cases
will
make
it
very,
very
difficult
and
as
the
chair
and
I
and
a
number
of
others
are
on
sea
act,
these
are
the
sort
of
issues
that.
H
Review
the
city
center
developers
in
the
main
are
trying
to
come
up
with
solutions.
They
are
trying
to
come
up
with
volunteering
to
do
so,
whereas
some
of
the
other
developers
out
there
are
making
no
great
effort
to
comply
in
the
spirit
of
what
we've
got.
H
Even,
although
we've
not
actually
got
the
policies
in
place-
and
I
think
if
you
look
to
the
distribution
of
those
there's-
also
the
effect
on
trees
and
biodiversity
in
terms
of
in
some
of
these
areas
that
where
there
are
green
fields,
if
I
can
put
them
like
that,
they're
making
the
damage-
that's
been
the
environmental
damage,
there's
also
the
need
to
invest
in
local
infrastructure,
but
there's
also.
I
would
suggest
that
there's
a
need
to
invest
in
a
lot
of
sit
and
city
center
in
our
city
locations,
and
we
can't
do
both.
H
We
can't
do
both
and
public
at
public
transport.
There
is
no
great
plans
in
the
short
term
to
improve
public
transport
in
certain
parts
of
the
city.
It's
going
to
take
years
and
years
and
years
pretending
we
go
through
a
public
inquiry
and
then
the
final
thing
is
connectivity
to
nearby
facilities.
Even
if
we
were
to
build
some
of
those,
some
people
won't
have
access
to
services
that
they
need
quickly.
Doctors,
for
example,
so
they're
going
to
have
to
travel
to
some
of
those,
and
that
will
all
add
overall
to
the
carbon
footprint
of
people.
H
D
Sure,
yeah
yeah,
I
think
it
I'll
speak
to
what
you've
you've
raised
cancer
around
us
and
I
think
for,
for
example,
the
the
desire
to
bring
infrastructure
together
and
into
things
like
20
minute.
Neighborhoods
will
be
an
added
extra
compulsion
to
to
to
agglomerate
what
we
need
to
see
in
those
kind
of
neighborhoods.
I
think
that's
to
the
good.
D
I
think
when
we
look
on
the
detailed
policy,
I
think
a
lot
of
you.
Your
questions
are
going
to
be
answered,
but
yeah
no,
the
the
points
before
made
them,
I
think,
like
I
said
I
think,
we'll
probably
cover
them
up.
Of
course,
at
this
session,
council
grew
in
and
then
council
campbell.
K
Thanks
chair
just
a
few
comments
on
on
my
first
reading.
Through
of
this,
I
I
I
found
myself
questioning
the
nature
of
the
consultation,
because
at
face
value
we
appear
to
have
rejected
all,
but
two
of
the
suggestions
made
and-
and
I
just
wondered-
you
know
how
much
of
a
consultation
that
actually
was.
Although
I
I
do
accept
that
officers
have
said,
they'll
put
more
emphasis
in
certain
parts
on
those
things
that
were
suggested.
K
K
I
do
think
it's
important
and
I
can
I
accept
that
it
can
be
addressed
in
the
green
infrastructure
part,
but
I
I
feel
that
it's
so
important
and
the
word
emergency
for
me
stands
out.
I
personally
would
argue
for
that
to
be
included
as
part
of
the
scope,
and
I
agree
with
the
decisions
that
have
been
made
about
the
blue
infrastructure
and
the
soils.
K
I
I
think
it's
too
specific
to
have
named
as
one
of
the
parts
of
the
scope
and
there's
a
separate
section,
but
I
don't
think
we
have
anything
like
the
knowledge
or
the
expertise
or
the
infrastructure
to
know
what
we're
doing
with
electric
charging
so
to
suggest
that
we
already
have
policies
which
are
adequate,
I
think
is,
is
probably
not
the
case.
D
D
The
very
strong
steer
from
the
automotive
industry
is
to
it's
for
municipalities,
probably
to
not
it's
not
overly
concerned,
so
we're
on
street
charging
because
they
see
super
ultra
rapid
charging
at
more
sensible
locations.
Do
you
know
what
I
mean
so
petrol
stations
becoming
rapid
charging
areas,
rapid
charging
appearing
at
all
sorts
of
drive-ins?
That
kind
of
thing,
so
that's
where
they
tend
to
see
that
I
don't.
D
If
officers
want
to
come
in
on
that,
but
perhaps
before
you
do
actually,
if
I
just
bring
council
campbell's
last
elected
member
he's
indicated
to
speak
on
the
stations.
If
I've
been
calling
him
and
then
adam
could
speak
to
any
of
the
points
he
wants
to
have
been
raised.
C
Sorry,
I'm
slightly
delayed
in
arriving.
Can
I
say
I
agree
with
caroline
about
the
ecological
emergency.
I
I
think.
Actually
it
is.
Things
are
bad
and
getting
worse,
and
if
I
look
at
the
running
permissions
we
give
at
the
moment
none
of
them
are
doing
much
towards
dealing
with
that
particular
issue.
C
So
I'll
shout,
I
agree
with
caroline
about
the
ecological
emergency.
I
think
we
should
have
that
as
a
separate
item
and
I
think
we
need
to
have
policies
in
place
quickly
on
the
city
centre
developers,
I've.
I've
said
for
some
time
that
in
many
ways
we
subsidize
city
centre
developers
because
we
don't
expect
them
to
provide
the
range
of
infrastructure,
particularly
car
parking,
that
we
expect
in
their
out
the
outer
areas,
and
we
should,
in
my
opinion,
levy
them
to
form
the
public
transport
network.
C
Finally,
ev
charging-
I
I'm
I'm
with
you
on
this
chair.
I
think
we,
the
initial
response,
was
everybody's
going
to
want
to
pull
their
car
in
at
home,
but
not
everybody
carries
petrol
in
their
garage
anymore
and
I
think
it
will
sort
itself
out
in
that
new
build.
As
we
already
know,
we
have
a
policy.
C
C
At
the
same
time,
we
suggest
they
put
in
a
driving
point
and
I
think
the
on-street
one
is
is
complex
because,
as
you've
said,
you
don't
need
to
charge
your
car
every
day
and
I
I
can
foresee
in
my
parts
of
the
world,
endless
battles
between
people
who
parked
in
a
electric
charging
bay
outside
their
house
but
are
not
charging
a
car.
And
so
I
think
it's
it's
a
case
of.
C
D
Thanks
thanks
council
campbell-
well,
I
think,
probably
adam,
I
think,
regarding
the
ecological
emergency
up,
I
agree
as
well.
I
think
that
needs
to
be
in
its
in
a
separate
section.
I
think
that
could
be
thinking
particularly
of
plans,
chairs
and
plans.
Final
members,
I
think,
and
indeed
officers
before
they
get
to
the
panel
scenario.
D
I
think
that
could
be
an
important
lever
for
biodiversity
gain
and
it
will
sit
within
quite
a
strong
range
of
policies
as
we're
going
to
see,
but
it
adds
that
the
the
added
part
of
the
emergency
lever
so
to
speak.
I
think
that
would
be.
That
would
be
that'd,
be
rather
important.
So,
given
those
comments
adam
do
you
want
or
martin
george
come
in.
L
Yeah
I'll
I'll
come
back
on
that
chair
and
we're
absolutely
yeah
we
he
he
remembers
loud
and
clear
on
the
ecological
emergency.
You
know
if
it
is
the
view
of
members
that
we
should
be
having
that
as
a
more
more
elevated
stated
ambition
which
is
given
given
more
primacy,
we
can
absolutely
incorporate
that.
Obviously,
we've
set
out
reasons
why
we
think
that
that
that's
may
not
be
necessary,
but
but
that's
it's
obviously
a
very
sort
of
quite
close
argument.
L
Isn't
it
and
it's
very
clear
that
it
either
way
that
it's
clearly
very
relevant,
so
we
we
can
definitely
incorporate
that
into
the
scope.
That's
that's
not
an
issue
just
in
terms
of
the
the
ev
charging
point.
Well.
Actually,
if
I
go
back
to
the
counselor
groom's
first
point
about
the
scope
and
concerns
that
have
we
dismissed
an
awful
lot
of
what
was
raised
through
the
consultation
and
just
to
just
to
clarify,
I
mean
the
scope.
Question
was
really
one
question
out
of
about.
I
think
it
was
45..
L
It
was
the
first
question,
though,
and
it
was
the
one
that
that,
in
terms
of
the
regulations,
it
was
probably
the
most
important
question,
because
the
the
question
and
the
regulations
is
what
what
is
the
purpose
of?
What
is
the
subject,
I
think,
is
the
correct
word:
what
is
the
subject
of
this
plan
and
what
should
the
policies
out
of
that
subject
contain?
L
So,
in
a
sense
that
scope
question
is
about
the
subject
of
the
plan
and
what
should
that
subject
be,
but
there
are
an
awful
lot
of
comments
which
I
think
we're
going
to
start
to
go
through
through
the
second
part
of
this
presentation
that
weren't
related
to
the
the
scope,
but
were
related
to
detailed
policy
issues,
detailed
policy
questions
that
were
raised.
L
So,
whilst
some
of
these
ideas
for
alternative
scopes
have
been
discounted
for
this
this
plan,
I
don't
think
any
of
the
the
the
ideas
raised
have
been
discounted
out
of
hand.
Rather,
they
need
to
be
reconsidered
as
part
of
local
plan
update,
2
and
any
future
future
plans
as
well
in
terms
of
the
ev
charging
point.
It's
it's
a
very
specific
question
that
was
raised
to
us
in
terms
of
that
off-street
parking
absolutely,
but
it
was.
L
I
raised
it
under
the
scope
section
just
because
at
the
moment
we
don't
cover
electric
vehicles
within
within
overtly
within
the
scope,
so
it
was.
I
felt
that
it
was
almost
a
window
in,
I
suppose,
in
terms
of,
should
we
reconsider
having
electric
vehicles
as
part
of
that
scope.
So
that's
why
it's
raised.
Obviously,
in
terms
of
the
specifics,
the
the
issues
that
the
councillors
have
raised,
we're
obviously
working
within
the
limitations
of
the
the
planning
system
to
a
degree.
L
We
can
obviously
provide
new
park
new
electric
vehicle
charging
points
as
part
of
new
development,
but
the
planning
system
can't
deliver
them
as
part
of
anything
else.
So
in
terms
of
plans
for
for
new
electric
vehicle
charging
points,
they're
delivered
by
private
operators
and
obviously
they
might
require
planning
permission
but
they're
not
an
addition
to
a
residential
development,
for
instance.
L
But
councilor
campbell's
point
about
how
we
deal
with
large
extensions
and
whether
they
should
be
included
within
within
the
scope
is
definitely
a
fair,
fair
consideration
and
something
we
can
certainly
take
away
and
work
up
in
more
in
more
detail
and
just
to
say
in
terms
of
cancer
anderson's
original
original
points.
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
these.
L
The
policies
that
are
within
scope
are
going
to
be
very
influential
in
terms
of
new
housing
and
a
lot
of
the
sustainability
issues
that
that
he
raises-
and
I
appreciate
his
you
know-
has
he
made
pleased
not
keen
to
enter
into
a
debate
about
it
for
time's
sake,
but,
but
I
think,
hopefully,
that
there
that
all
these
policies
are
going
to
have
a
low
carb
and
an
adaptation
slant
to
them,
which
will
hopefully
make
make
improvements
if
it
even
without
looking
at
the
overall
housing
requirement,
I
think
david's
got
his
hand
up
yeah.
E
Yeah
david,
please
thank
you
chair.
Thank
you
adam.
It
was
just
to
say
chair
that
I
think
in
relation
to
the
points
about
ev
charging
and
transport
and
public
transport
improvement.
More
generally,
just
just
a
flag.
We
had
the
the
council's
new
connecting
leads
transport
strategy.
E
Didn't
we
at
the
end
of
last
year,
and
I
think
the
trick
here
will
be
to
make
sure
that
the
the
policies
we
can
bring
forward
in
the
local
plan
update,
are
amplifying
and
reinforcing
aspects
of
that
strategy
through
planning
and
making
sure
that
in
the
transport
strategy,
where
they're,
taking
the
lead
on
particular
projects
or
programs,.
M
E
The
infrastructure
section
within
the
local
plan
update
there's,
there's
almost
a
cross
reference
to
that
as
well,
so
that
the
two
documents
together
are
reinforcing
the
council's
overall
ambitions
and
the
sort
of
the
carbon
reduction
and
the
public
transport.
So
I
think,
there's
an
interface
there
between
the
two
documents
and
we're
well
well
engaged
with
colleagues
within
highways.
So
we
want.
We
see
this
really
as
an
iterative
process
in
linking
the
two
things
together,
but
making
sure
that
they're
mutually
reinforcing
in
enabling
us
to
deliver
the
policies
and
programs
that
we
need.
D
Thanks
for
david,
that's
really
helpful.
I
think
I
don't
see
any
more
folks
wanting
to
speak.
So,
let's
crack
on
to
the
next
section,
adam
yeah,.
L
That's
absolutely
fine,
so
I'll
move
on
to
the
the
next
section.
Hopefully
you
can
still
see
the
presentation.
Okay,
please
let
me
know
if
not
so
finalizing
the
scope-
and
I
appreciate
this
meeting-
cannot
do
that,
but
making
agreements
on
what
the
scope
should
be
enables
us
to
effectively
move
forward
on
on
developing
policies,
and
the
consultation
allowed
us
to
bring
together
a
range
of
consult
suggestions
with
ideas
that
officers
were
already
considering
as
well.
L
So
there's
a
good
good
match
up
there,
and
obviously,
we've
got
a
legal
duty
to
explore
and
test
alternatives
before
arriving
at
our
preferred
options
for
policies,
and
this
is
how
we
demonstrate
the
policies
that
we've
written
are
sustainable
and
are
appropriate
and
sound
before
we
can
do
that,
though,
we
need
to
fully
understand
those
range
of
options
we
have,
and
obviously
the
consultation
has
really
helped
us
with
that,
but
explore
how
reasonable
those
options
are,
what
benefits
they
bring
and
whether
they
meet
with
the
objectives
of
the
plan,
and
so
once
unreasonable
options
can
be
discounted.
L
We
can
then
start
to
test
options
through
the
sustainability
appraisal
process,
as
I
say,
as
required
by
the
regulation
and
law,
but
at
this
stage
we're
we're
exploring
the
full
suite
of
options
as
a
whole
and
the
following
sort
of
element
of
the
presentation
is
designed
to
highlight
certain
areas
of
that,
and
I
should
stress
that
we
could
spend
an
afternoon
going
through
just
one
topic
area
with
this.
L
L
L
P
Hi
good
after
good
afternoon,
everyone
you
can
just
move
on
to
the
next
slide.
If
that's
okay,
thank
you
to
official
memory
on
the
objective
of
the
carbon
reduction
element
of
the
local
plan
update.
We
aim
to
minimize
energy
demand
and
meet
all
demands
for
heat
and
power
without
increasing
carbon
emissions.
P
We
believe
we
can
achieve
this
through
requiring
new
development
to
measure
carbon
emissions
across
the
whole
life
cycle,
of
a
building,
introducing
sustainable
construction
standards
for
new
development
and
promoting
renewable
and
low
carbon
energy.
A
few
key
policy
options
explored
with
consultation
are
as
follows.
Next
slide,
please.
P
For
whole
life
cycle,
carbon
assessment,
one
option
was
to
only
require
applications
to
consider
the
whole
life
cycle.
Carbon
development.
Another
option
is
to
require
assessments
to
be
submitted
until
2026
or
another
variation
on
that
date,
but
after
that
date
required
development
to
meet
set
benchmark
figures.
P
Another
option
is
to
not
introduce
new
policy
and
rely
on
national
guidance
under
other
local
plan
policies.
However,
we
do
introduce
whole
life
cycle.
Calm
assessments
we'll
need
to
consider
whether
it's
for
all
applications
only
for
large
or
significant
schemes,
as
the
developers
emphasize
this
as
a
concern
again
through
the
consultation.
P
The
second
topic
is
operational.
Carbon.
The
key
options
explored
through
the
consultation
were
to
whether
to
acquire
net
zero
carbon
buildings
for
all
applications
or
potentially
gradual
improvements
over
the
planned
period.
P
Again,
another
option
is
to
rely
on
national
changes
to
policy
and
building
regulations.
Only
a
variation
of
this
policy
would
allow
carbon
offsetting
when
development
could
not
meet
our
proposed
standards.
We'd
have
to
identify
criteria
which
would
allow
this
offsetting
and
a
methodology
to
calculate
it
again.
We
have
to
consider
if
this
approach
applies
to
certain
types
of
development,
where
it
applies
to
all
residential,
commercial,
certain
size
of
applications
or
even
geographic
locations.
P
P
Another
option
was
for
the
council
to
create
its
own
bespoke
standards,
although
this
was
not
supported
through
the
consultation
with
developers
wanting
national
consistency
and
also
concerns
about
in-house
knowledge
and
skill.
Develop
our
own
standards
within
the
local
plan
update
time
frame
again.
Another
option
is
to
lead
to
national
policy
changes
and
building
regulations
in
2025.
P
Future
building
standards
may
come
in
which
changes
the
building
rights
and
again.
This
is
an
option
put
forward
by
developers
and
for
favored
by
them
and
moved
for
resilience
to
heat.
Two
options
were
explored
and
one
was
to
adopt
a
policy
or
reliant
changes
to
building
regulations.
Again,
I
think
recently
there's
been
amendments
for
ventilation
and
overheating.
P
P
However,
the
consultation
highlighted
that
good
designs,
such
as
green
walls
and
green
roofs
and
the
building
placement
and
fabric
first,
could
also
mitigate
the
impact
of
heat,
and
so
this,
this
resilience
to
heat
can
be
delivered
through
other
topic
areas
of
the
local
plant
update
such
as
green
infrastructure
and
place
making
for
renewable
energy
two
areas
which
will
support
whether
to
allocate
land
for
certain
renewable
energy
types
or
create
new
policy
that
guides
development.
P
The
there
is
also
the
option
to
join
into
new
renewable
energy
target,
as
we
currently
have
one
within
the
natural
resources
and
waste
plan,
which
I
think
is
is
nearly
out
of
date,
which
was
generally
supported.
Although
it
needed
to
be
realistic
and
aspirational,
which
was
a
comment.
P
A
key
part
of
evidence
required
to
do.
This
would
be
opportunity,
area,
mapping,
renewable
energy
types,
which
would
also
include
the
scoping
for
energy
storage,
to
give
an
idea
of
the
renewable
energy
potential
for
leads
and
the
locations
of
that.
So
those
are
some
key
findings
and-
and
I
think
we
move
on
now
to
flood
risk
so.
L
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
we
haven't
quite
wrapped
our
head
around
the
technicalities
of
that,
but
I
think
in
time
for
the
next
meeting
of
development
plans
panel,
we
can
do
a
more
comprehensive
view
on
what
those
changes
to
building
regulations
mean
also
combined
with
some
evidence,
work
that
we're
preparing
with
the
climate
commission
in
terms
of
the
implications
of
different
measures
as
against
building
regulations,
and
hopefully
that
will
be
helpful
for
members
in
terms
of
our
ongoing
work
with
with
policies
so
I'll
go
through
the
the
flood
risk
sections
and
just
to
remind
members,
you
know,
as
stated
in
the
consultation
material,
our
vision
is
that
leads
will
ensure
that
new
developments
are
located
and
designed
to
avoid
reduce
and
mitigate
flood
risk,
increase
biodiversity
and
reduce
the
carbon
footprint
of
risk
reduction
schemes
through
natural
flood
solutions.
L
We're
working
through
the
the
policy
options
now,
obviously,
and
I'm
just
going
to
highlight
a
couple
of
areas
where
options
present
themselves
and,
as
I
say
they
shouldn't
be
considered
exhaustive,
but
the
first
area
relates
to
avoiding
development
in
flood
risk
areas
and
there's
very
headline
options
as
dan
introduced.
This
idea
of
of
not
having
a
policy
which
is
always
an
option,
we've
got
to
members
shouldn't
be
alarmed
by
that.
It's
just
in
terms
of
when
we
do
our
assessments.
L
We
do
need
to
make
sure
that
relative
to
the
baseline
of
doing
nothing
that
we're
seeing
improvements
by
having
a
policy
and
obviously
that
I'm
sure
members
can
understand
that,
but
so
don't
be
alarmed
when
you
see
us
say
having
no
policy,
that's
just
how
we
go
through
the
options
appraisal
process,
so
obviously
not
having
a
policy
is,
is
an
option,
but
also
whether
we
should
have
a
policy
which
restricts
developments
in
high
flood
risk
areas
or
not,
but
drilling
down
in
a
bit
more
detail.
L
There
are
related
to
restricting
all
developments
in
high
flood
risk
areas,
regardless
of
whether
a
sequential
test
can
be
passed,
restricting
more
vulnerable,
such
as
residential
and
highly
vulnerable,
such
as
gypsy
and
traveller
sites
uses
infiltrators,
regardless
of
whether
a
sequential
test
can
be
passed
with
only
less
vulnerable
uses
such
as
employment
could
be
permitted
in
flood
risk
areas,
provided
the
sequential
test
is
passed
in
those
cases
or
we
could-
and
you
know
some
of
these
aren't
mutually
exclusive.
L
I
should
say,
but
another
option
is
to
restrict
accommodation
for
elderly
and
disabled
people
in
high
flourish
areas,
and
this
will
be
treating
elderly
and
disabled
accommodation
as
highly
vulnerable
use
because
of
potential
mobility
issues
and
their
impact
on
safe
evacuation,
or
it
could
be
a
more
nuanced
approach
so
which
considered
flood
zone
categorization
as
a
means
of
deciding
whether
all
the
measures
should
be
brought
in,
and
I
guess
for
these
options
to
be.
We
need
to
consider
whether
it
is
reasonable
to
go
beyond
the
provisions
of
the
national
policy.
L
L
Secondly,
we've
got
managing
surface
water
in
the
flood
risk
topic
so
for
managing
surface
water.
Again
we
have
the
same
headline
policy
option
of
not
having
any
new
policies
but
two
other
policy
options
which
are
not
mutually
exclusive
of
having
new
policy
to
increase
the
use
of
suds,
which
is
very
strongly
supported
by
consultees
and
or
whether
to
also
implement
natural
flood
risk
management
measures
at
source
locations
to
manage
surface
water
runoff.
L
So
within
that
there
are
also
additional
variations,
such
as
requiring
all
development
to
an
option,
could
be
requiring
all
development
to
incorporate
suds
or
to
indicate
the
areas
where
we
expect
suds
are
most
appropriate
and
most
effective,
or
whether
to
apply
new
policies
and
studs
to
just
major
developments
or
to
development,
including
both
miners
and
householders,
as
well
as
major
development
and
finally,
on
flood
risk.
I
just
pulled
out
resilience
and
for
resilience.
We've
got
two
broad
headline
options.
Excuse
me
sorry,.
L
Whether
to
have
a
new
policy
to
set
new
standards
for
flood
resilience
in
new
developments,
so
that
would
be
defining
what
is
meant
by
safe
access
and
egress,
defining
evacuation
routes
and
resilient
construction,
or
the
other
broad
option
is
to
rely
on
existing
local
and
national
policy,
which
was
advocated
by
some
countries,
particularly
the
development
industry.
L
We
could
also
set
different
standards
depending
on
the
type
of
development
proposed,
so
be
it
housing,
employment,
commercial
or
educational
establishments,
and
that
relates,
I
think,
to
the
vulnerabilities
that
I
raised
in
the
slightly
earlier
within
that
there
could
be
potential
variations
for
applying
a
policy
based
on
an
area's
current
flood
zone
or
to
apply
to
areas
that
will
have
flood
risk
in
the
future.
As
a
result
of
climate
change
and
you'll,
hopefully,
remember
that
we
introduced
this
idea.
L
Sydney
that
came
out
the
consultation
from
the
environment
agency
about
was
having
a
much
longer
consideration
of
flood
risk
and
which
goes
beyond
national
policy
at
presence.
L
So
that's
just
a
pot
of
highlights
of
the
flood
risk
considerations
I'll
hand
over
to
anap
and
heather
who
are
going
to
give
us
some
examples.
They're
exploring
as
part
of
the
green
infrastructure
topic.
A
Thanks
adam,
I
think
I'm
going
first.
Okay,
can
I
have
the
next
slide?
Please?
So
here's
just
a
quick
reminder
of
the
overall
vision
for
the
green
infrastructure
section.
So
it's
these
will
create
new
infrastructure,
including
green
space
and
natural
environment
through
the
planning
process
and
identify
improve,
protect
and
extend
existing
gi
to
address
the
challenges
of
climate
change
and
create
a
healthy
city.
A
A
With
this
in
mind,
the
overall
approach
that
we've
been
taking
is
to
build
on
the
existing
policy
framework
set
up
prior
to
the
declaration
of
a
climate
emergency
and
strengthen
it.
So
it
is
fit
for
purpose
to
help
tackle
climate
change,
and
there
are
four
key
elements
to
this:
better:
protect
the
green
infrastructure.
We
already
have
improve
the
quality,
value
and
multifunctionality
of
it,
ensure
any
losses,
are
replaced
and
expand
the
existing
network
of
gi
and
create
new
links.
A
So
we
received
some
really
interesting
and
some
useful
comments
on
these.
During
the
consultation
and
I'll
focus
on
a
couple
of
key
issues
within
the
trees
and
biodiversity
topics,
then
anna
will
raise
a
couple
of
further
issues
within
green
space
and
food
production,
so,
firstly,
replacement
of
trees
lost
and
the
current
policy
land
2
seeks
a
minimum
of
3
to
1
replacement
of
trees
lost
due
to
development.
A
A
A
Increasing
tree
cover
so
certainly
tree
planting
is
widely
supported
and
there's
many
initiatives
and
programs
already
delivering
on
the
ground.
Planning
policy
currently
supports
this.
However,
an
improved
policy
could
do
more,
such
as
explicitly
support
these
initiatives,
and
I'm
thinking
particularly
of
the
white
rose
forest
initiative.
A
It
could
seek
planting
in
specific
locations
such
as
green
space
or
even
allocate
sites
for
planting
a
clear
methodology
and
assessment
process
would
be
required
to
identify
suitable
justifiable
sites
or
sites
for
planting
and,
finally,
for
me,
just
biodiversity
net
gain,
as
I'm
sure
you're
all
aware.
The
environment
act
establishes
the
requirement
for
a
net
gain
in
biodiversity
and
sets
a
minimum
figure
of
10,
and
it's
worth
noting
that
that
is
the
minimum
figure.
A
During
the
consultation,
the
development
industry
were
very
supportive
of
the
minimum
10.
However,
other
consultants
supported
higher
levels.
Any
level
above
10
will
need
to
be
based
on
robust
and
comprehensive
evidence.
Therefore,
we
will
need
to
establish
a
process
to
assess
all
factors,
including
the
viability
implications
of
a
higher
percentage
target.
Q
Hello
councillors,
as
heather
pointed
out,
I'm
going
to
look
at
two
of
the
issues
which
are
one
in
the
area
of
green
space.
One
in
food
production
should
state,
as
adam
clearly
identified,
there's
a
massive
amount
of
information
ingredients
as
they're
in
all
the
areas,
so
these
are
just
two
two
small
items
that
are
pulling
out
for
your
consideration.
Q
Q
It
should
be
stated
at
this
stage
that
the
there
was
considerable
support
for
greater
levels
of
green
space
and
city
centre
in
the
consultation,
with
some
reservations
from
the
development
industry.
But
even
then
they
supported
the
idea,
but
they
favored
a
more
strategic
approach.
Direct
green
space
where
it
needed
to
go
the
most.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
The
problem
is
with
having
two
calculations
inside
and
outside
the
c
center.
Is
that
two
resultant
figures
are
given
so
within
a
space
of
100
meters.
Two
equivalent
developments
may
request
green
space
of
up
to
a
ratio
of
four
to
one,
and
that
means
that
outside
the
c
center
you
might,
you
may
be
asking
for
four
square
meters
inside
this
city
center.
You
might
be
asking
for
one
square
meter,
so
we've
got
a
disconnect
if
you
like,
above
a
boundary
center
boundary
of
the
amount
of
green
space.
We
asked
for.
Q
Q
0.5
of
a
hectare
is
a
square
area
of
land,
about
70
meters
by
70
meters
or
if
you
prefer
feet,
it's
233
feet
by
233
feet,
so
a
20-story
development
of
300
units
which
may
have
a
capacity
of
600
people.
So
you
imagine
a
tower
block
in
the
city
center
having
600
people,
but
let's
say
it's
placed
on
a
site
of
0.49
hectares
will
not
be
allowed
obliged
to
provide
any
great
space
whatsoever
at
the
current
time.
Q
So
with
that
in
mind,
the
possible
options-
and
these
are
just
possible
options-
stay
stays.
We
are
abolish
g5
totally.
I
don't
have
something
different
for
the
city
center
and
just
to
have
g4
or
investigate
and
change
where
and
as
is
appropriate.
So
these
are
just
some
of
the
options
we
can
go
down
and
obviously
you
know
it's
a
long
way
to
go
in
the
process.
Q
We
must
also
also
recognize
that
all
our
policies
must
join
up
in
dovetail
and
as
well
as
greening
the
city
might
be
about
g5
and
green
space
through
development,
there's
other
things
like
green
walls,
green
roofs
and
how
we
design
our
open
spaces.
Other
green
initiatives
roof
gardens.
So
there
are
other
ways
we
can
reduce
the
urban
heat
island
effect
and
make
our
city
center
more
attractive.
Q
So
if
you
have
a
large
development
of
say,
a
hundred
houses
with
100,
big
gardens
them
hundred
gardens
will
have
100
trees
in
them.
This
will
give
localized
food
I.e,
food,
a
healthy
food
sauce,
located
no
transport,
genuinely
fresh
it'll,
reconnect
people
with
nature.
Now
adam
said
in
the
introduction.
Q
This
idea
about
healthy
equity
there's
a
huge
amount
of
evidence
out
there
about
reconnecting
with
nature
being
beneficial
to
mental
health.
Obviously,
fresh
fruits
is
healthy
as
well,
but
actually
making
people
children
in
particular.
I'm
thinking
that
you
know
trees
don't
come
from.
Sorry.
Fruit
doesn't
come
to
supermarkets.
It
comes
from
trees,
reconnect
them
with
nature
in
a
very
physical
and
tangible
way.
I
quite
like
the
idea
of
that.
Q
So
we
thought
that
was
quite
a
nice
idea
and
again,
that
is
something
almost
presented
before
you
for
consideration
as
quite
a
unique
and
novel
idea
within
the
scope
of
the
topic
of
food
production,
and
I
hope
yeah,
that's
it
from
me
I'll
hand
back
over
to.
L
Adam
thanks
anna
and
thanks
heather
as
well.
I
will
hand
straight
over
to
to
catherine
who's
going
to
be
looking
through
place,
making.
O
So
it
won't
come
as
much
of
a
surprise
that
this
topic
wasn't
too
controversial,
hopefully
I'll
run
quite
quickly
through
some
of
the
headlines
for
both
the
strategic
and
then
move
on
to
the
design
elements
of
place
making,
and
these
do
pick
up
in
part.
Some
of
the
comments
that
members
have
already
made
today
so
emerging
out
of
the
issue
is
an
optional
consultation.
Around
strategically
thinking
were
concerns
on
how
far
we
can
address
that
20-minute
neighbourhood
concept
in
leeds.
O
Given
that
we've
got
a
diverse
urban
and
rural
communities
and
that
there
won't
be
a
one-size-fits-all
approach
and
issues
around
flexibility
and
potential
policy
conflicts
where
our
existing
sequential
approach
for
town
center
uses
was
also
raised.
There
was
a
clear
split
between
those
favoring
car
free
development
balanced
against
those
raising
that
we
shouldn't
become
an
anti-car
city
and
other
suggestions,
particularly
by
the
development
industry,
sought
the
additional
scoping
of
policies
around
growth
provision
promoting,
in
their
part,
the
rural
development,
supporting
sustainability
and
20-minute
concept
of
rural
villages.
O
So
moving
on
to
the
emerging
policy
options
for
strategic,
placemaking
and
first
is
the
baseline
position
of
we
do
nothing.
We
rely
on
the
existing
local
and
national
policy,
particularly
in
reference
to
the
definition
of
sustainable
development,
or
we
alter
our
existing
policies,
and
in
this
case
it's
focused
around
strategic
policy,
one
our
policies
on
h2
and
ec1,
which
are
our
sort
of
policies
for
windfall
development
around
housing
and
employment
and
t2
around
accessibility
criteria.
O
Similarly
is
raised
earlier
under
flood
risk?
Is
the
need
to
ensure
our
policies
on
locational
growth,
sit
side
by
side.
So
how
does
a
sequential
approach
to
flood
risk
balance
with
a
sustainable
20-minute,
neighborhood
location,
particularly
in
the
city
centre
of
the
urban
area,
and
one
last
point
to
pick
out
today
on
this?
Is
the
clear
relationship
between
place
making
and
the
connecting
lead
strategy
already
points
that
have
been
raised
on
the
provision
of
public
transport,
including
mass
transit
and
I'll?
O
Come
on
to
that,
when
I
do
a
quick
run
for
you
on
the
sustainable
infrastructure,
section
I'll
put
my
teeth
back
in
as
well.
So
if
you
want
to
move
on
to
the
next
slide,
I'll
move
on
to
the
design
of
place-
and
this
is
sort
of
down
to
the
the
site
specific
level.
O
Clearly,
the
publication
of
the
mppf
revisions
last
summer,
alongside
the
national
model
design
code,
has
significantly
placed
supporting
emphasis
on
this
topic
area
and
whilst
not
wanting
to
get
back
into
the
debate
of
what
does
good
look
like.
There
was
a
lot
of
support
for
this
topic
area,
with
a
recognition
that
there's
a
lot
of
crossover
with
the
other
local
plan.
O
Update
top
precarious,
has
already
discussed
so
emerging
headline
policy
options
is
the
do
nothing
again
approach,
relying
on
our
existing
local
and
national
policy
and
particularly
the
strength
for
our
existing
sbds
neighbourhoods
for
living
and
building.
For
today.
Tomorrow,
we
can
alter
our
existing
design
policies,
gp5
and
p10
clarifying
again
the
ambitions,
the
expectations,
the
requirements,
the
strengthening
of
references
to
climate
change,
high
quality,
resilience,
adaptability
and
healthy
places.
O
So
the
interrelationships
here
is
key
between
the
other
local
plan
update
one
topics
as
place,
making
at
the
site
level
considers
the
buildings,
the
architecture
and
design
and
the
spaces
around
them.
So
policy
options
already
mentioned
around
whole
life
cycle,
carbon
emissions,
sustainable
construction,
resilience
to
heat
connections,
to
renewable
energy,
heat
networks
and
the
energy
storage,
designing
in
sustainable
drainage
and
flood
risk
resilience,
as
well
as
the
issues
around
green
infrastructure
that
hover
and
manage
touched
upon.
O
The
trees,
the
hedges,
green
walls,
roofs,
green
space,
nature
connection,
biodiversity,
local
food
production
and
then,
of
course,
access
to
active
travel,
public
transport,
including
mass
transit
and
digital
connectivity,
all
need
relevant
cross
references
and
hooks
within
a
place
making
topic
and
make
sure
that
that's
connected,
and
then.
Lastly,
just
on
this
topic,
it's
just
to
know
that
we're
working
really
closely
with
public
health
colleagues
to
ensure
alignment
with
the
health
and
well-being
strategy,
and
also
with
transport
policies,
to
ensure
alignment
with
connecting
lead
strategy
and
associated
work.
O
So
that's
a
run
from
place
making
and
then
I
think
you
want
me
to
cover
sustainable
infrastructure
as
well.
Don't
you
so
I
we'll
just
review
the
vision
for
sustainable
infrastructure.
The
next
slide,
nice
and
short,
leads,
will
ensure
the
delivery
of
an
accessible
and
integrated
transport
and
communication
system
which
focuses
on
public
transport
and
active
travel
next
slide.
Please
so
hs2
and
lead
station.
O
A
wide
range
of
comments
were
received,
which
were
generally
very
supportive.
The
principle
of
a
policy
on
this
topic,
though
quite
rightly
many
people,
did
flag
up
the
uncertainty
of
hs2
and
also
expressed
differing
views
about
the
merits
of
hs2.
In
itself,
they
noted
the
importance
of
other
rail
improvement
schemes
such
as
the
northern
powerhouse
rail,
and
they
also
made
a
number
of
specific
comments
and
suggestions
about
the
detailed
con
content
of
such
policy.
O
But
this
includes
looking
at
design,
principles
and
requirements
such
as
supporting
a
second
southern
entrance,
improving
integration
between
the
station
and
other
modes
of
transport
and
looking
at
improvements
to
places
like
the
dark,
arches
and
neville
street,
and
thinking
more
generally,
about
improvements
to
rail
infrastructure
or
the
provision
of
new
lines.
A
policy
could
set
out
the
principles
that
such
infrastructure
will
be
expected
to
meet
in
relation
to
matters
such
as
provision
of
green
infrastructure,
permeability,
flood
risk
heritage,
temporary
uses,
viaducts,
etc,
etc.
O
O
Next
slide,
please
so:
mass
transit
overall
through
the
consultation
there's
a
good
level
of
support
for
this
policy.
In
principle,
again
number
of
responses
did
question
the
need
for
mass
transit,
whether
it
would
be
delivered
again.
We've
got
three
headline
policy
options:
the
baseline
do
nothing
relying
instead
on
existing
local
and
national
policy
or,
alternatively,
develop
a
west
yorkshire
wide
policy
for
wyka,
or
we
could
delay
the
preparation
of
a
policy
until
there's
more
certainty.
O
We
could
develop
a
new
policy
addressing
the
development
of
mass
transit
in
leeds,
or
we
could
develop
a
new
policy
which
focuses
on
public
transport
improvements
more
generally,
either
alongside
or
instead
of
mass
transit
and
again
there
are
some
options,
including
things
such
as
how
mass
transit
relates
to
the
development
strategy
more
broadly
and
this
overlaps
with
place
making
policy,
it
relates
to
patterns
of
development
and
the
density
of
development.
Around
stops.
O
There
are
issues
in
terms
of
the
time
scales
whilst
amongst,
whilst
after
motif
back
in
whilst
a
massive
transit
policy
in
this
local
planner
update
could
provide
the
higher
level
support.
This
may
need
to
be
supplemented
by
further
policy
in
the
future
that
actually
safeguards
the
route
once
it's
been
agreed.
L
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
so
I
mean,
whilst
I've
badged,
that
as
a
bit
of
a
potted
highlights,
I
appreciate
there's
an
awful
lot
for
members
to
go
through
and
digest
there.
I
also
appreciate
it's
it's
hard
to
digest
some
of
this
information
without
a
detailed
paper
in
front
of
you,
but
hopefully
that
that
gives
a
good
indication
of
the
options
work
that
we're
going
through
at
the
moment.
L
L
Help
us
to
arrive
at
sort
of
finalize
reasonable
alternatives,
we'll
bring
that
back
as
a
comprehensive
paper
for
march
and
integrating
with
that
we've
already
begun.
Obviously,
you
know
the
work
in
terms
of
the
evidence
base
and
that
needs
integrating
with
with
with
this
sort
of
policy
development
process,
as
well
as
integrating
the
ideas
that
have
been
raised
today
in
terms
of
the
revised
scope.
L
So
how
do
we
integrate
with
infrastructure,
soil
heritage
considerations
now,
obviously,
the
ecological
emergency,
all
all
with
a
view
to
to
getting
that
sustainability
process
finalized
get
ready
to
have
you
know
sustainable
options,
effective
policies,
you
know
for
summer
2022,
including
dedicated
sessions,
to
go
through
those
policies
with
members
in
terms
of
their
formulation
as
well.
Some
members
will
have
a
you
know.
A
good
involvement
in
that
process
so
appreciate.
L
There's
a
lot
to
go
through,
but
I'll
stop
talking
there
because
I've
probably
gone
a
bit
over
time
anyway,
and
obviously
any
questions
and
comments
we'll.
D
Yes,
there
was
an
awful
lot
to
to
process
there.
I
think
just
just
while
members
are
cody
taking
and
ruminating
just
draw
folks
attention
to
that
last
slide.
We
are
going
to
have
a
lot
of
detailed
policy
sessions
over
the
coming
months,
so
this
is
not.
This
is
far
from
our
only
chance
to
highlight
issues,
but
I
think
what
I
would
like
to
share
is
for
members
of
officers
to
have
in
mind.
Is
that
the
our
end
point
really
is
at
all
times
our
focus
point.
D
Our
end
point
is:
will
this
will
this
resulting
new
development
in
in
leads
being
zero
carbon
and
perhaps
even
being
beyond
zero
carbon?
So
that's
that's
where
we
need
to
get
them.
We
need
to
have
that
in
there
in
our
minds
at
all
times,
just
going
back
to
a
couple
of
sort
of
issues
to
highlight,
I
think
then
look
in
terms
of
carbon
reduction
and
adam
always
saying
I
guess.
D
Is
it
philosophically
your
point
of
view
that
the
either
operational
operational,
zero
carbon
is
different
from
whole
life,
zero
carbon
or
are
they
sort
of
intrinsically
interlinked?
Just
so
I
mean
like,
given
that
we're
in
the
middle
of
a
well-
let's
be
honest,
we're
in
the
middle
of
the
domestic
energy
market
collapse
at
the
moment,
and
that's
I
wish
that
was
hyperbole,
but
it's
not
so
the
operational
aspects
of
how
people
live
is
very
much
the
four
in
everyone's
minds.
D
I
would
imagine
now
we
can
have
that,
whilst
also
having
something
that
is
operation,
zero,
carbon
and
it's
it's
in
its
birth
and
its
end
as
it
were.
What's
your
what's
your
philosophy
on
that,
he
just
might
help
members
and
then,
after
you've
answered
that
council
lands
indicated.
He
wants
to
speak.
L
Yeah
yeah,
that's
it's
a
good
question.
I
think
a
lot
of
these
issues
are
interlinked.
It
also
interlinks
with
sustainable
construction
as
dan's
gone
through,
but
yeah
in
terms
of
the
the
the
differences,
I
suppose
operational
energy
and
operational
zero.
Carbon
relates
really
to
the
point
at
which
somebody
is
now
occupying
that
building
and
doesn't
really
consider.
L
What's
happened
before,
whereas
whole
life
cycle,
carbon
emissions
tries
to
look
at
it
from
cradle
to
grave,
which
I
think
phrase
we
used
in
earlier
meetings
where
you
don't
just,
but
also
incorporates
operational
energy,
but
does
look
way
beyond
that
and
way
earlier
than
that
so
looks
at
things
like
the
materials
that
were
used.
How
were
they
transported
to
site
and
also
way
beyond
you
know,
uri
being
in
a
in
a
building
and
how
energy
efficient
our
light
bulbs
are.
But
what
happens
once
the
building
is
no
longer
needed?
Can
it
be
easily
reused?
L
Can
the
materials
be
recycled
easily
yeah?
There
are
lots
of
materials
that
are
not
easy
to
be
recycled,
so
the
whole
life,
I
think,
almost
whole
life
cycle.
Carbon
emissions
can
be
considered
as
a
whole
umbrella
that
covers
the
almost
the
whole
of
it
from
start
to
finish,
but
operational
energy
looks
at
just
that
point
at
which
people
are
in
it
and
in
terms
of
what
we
think
about
how
we
move
forward
with
it.
L
I
think
you
know
the
stated
ambition
of
the
plan
is
to
get
to
to
have
new
planning
policies
that
help
us
get
to
net
zero
by
2030..
So
we're
going
to
push
the
envelope
on,
what's
the
most
sustainable
and
viable
option
for
us
to
to
do
that
subject
to
sustainability
appraisals,
and
it
may
be
that,
in
terms
of
whole
life
cycle
emissions,
the
picture
is
a
lot
more
emerging
at
the
moment.
You
know,
there's
there's
not
many
councils
that
are
looking
at
this.
It's
quite
quite
a
brand
new
idea.
L
We
shouldn't
think
that
we're
the
first,
but
it's
it's
relatively
new,
whereas
operational
energy
is
a
bit
more
easy
to
to
to
measure.
So,
as
dan
said
in
the
presentation,
one
of
the
ideas
is,
we
could
use
the
early
part
of
the
plan
period
to
essentially
amass
data
about
whole
life
cycle,
carbon
emissions
to
compel
developers
developments
to
give
us
the
figures,
because
they
don't
do
that
at
the
moment.
We
don't
have
access
to
these
figures
at
the
moment
other
than
the
existing
policy
requirements.
L
So
if
we
just
even
that
cultural
change
for
developers
to
think
okay,
I
need
to
be
able
to
itemize
and
account
for
the
carbon
emissions
of
every
aspect
of
my
development,
even
if
you're
not
trying
to
hit
a
target.
Just
that
mindset
change,
I
think,
is
going
to
make
a
huge
difference,
but
also
helps
us
to
a
massive
amount
of
data
about
what
does
good
look
like
and
then
we
can
start
to
think
about
setting
targets,
perhaps
later
down
the
line.
So
that's
that's
an
option.
D
J
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much
we're
covering
a
lot
of
ground,
and
I
guess
everyone
on
the
call
could
take
up
a
lot
of
time
making
comments,
but
I'm
just
going
to
focus
on
two
things
briefly,
I'd
say:
I'm
leaving
my
camera
off
to
manage
my
wi-fi,
I'm
sure
everyone's
breathing,
a
sigh
of
relief
about
that
anyway.
J
So
the
two
things
I
wanted
to
to
raise
are
one
around
blue
infrastructure
and
it's
just
to
get
an
assurance
from
officers
that
well
I'm
really
pleased
that
it's
been
included
and
having
been
the
person
that
put
it
forward
in
the
first
place,
and
then
it's
been
picked
up
through
the
the
consultation
that,
while
it's
in
it
doesn't
just
become
an
afterthought
and
just
tagged
it
on
as
a
headline
to
to
green
infrastructure.
J
My
preference
would
probably
be
it
had
its
own
section,
but
I
think
it
would
be
coming
an
unwieldy
document
by
then
so
I'm
quite
happy
to
live
with
it
being
in
with
green
infrastructure.
But
I
I
just
would
like
some
reassurance,
particularly
as
the
set
of
slides
there.
J
We
didn't
cover
it
as
a
as
a
topic
area,
I'm
conscious
of
that
and
I'd
just
like
some
reassurance
that
we're
going
to
be
excuse
me
ambitious
as
ambitious
for
blue
infrastructure
as
we
are
around
green
infrastructure
and
other
issues
is
difficult,
but
that
doesn't
mean
we
shouldn't
try
and
take
it
on
and
be
ambitious
about
it.
J
The
second
point
is
just
to
pick
up
on
the
issues
around
the
the
conflict
with
things
such
as
20-minute
neighborhoods
in
the
outer
areas
where
it
just
it
is
impossible
to
create
a
20-minute
neighborhood
in
somewhere,
like
the
area
I
represent,
or
where
councillor
anderson
or
councillor
campbell
or
other
parts
of
the
city,
and
it's
how
we're
going
to
use
policy
to
address
those
conflicts
when
they
come
so
a
car
free
neighborhood
in
weatherby
is
not
going
to
be
an
option
because
there
is
simply
isn't
the
public
transport
infrastructure
to
support
that
council
anderson
made
the
point
well
earlier,
but
there's
there's
some
big
conflicts
that
we're
building
in
and
the
climate
emergency
challenge
almost
makes
the
conflicts
bigger
than
they
were
to
start
with.
D
We
barely
noticed
it's
all
right.
Just
on
that,
thanks
for
having
me,
the
infrastructure
won't
be
forgotten,
I
think,
in
terms
of
training
in
neighborhoods
in
outer
areas.
I
think
it
is.
I
know
what
you're
saying
about
public
transport
infrastructure
and,
as
we've
said,
all
along
across
many
many
dp
meetings
over
the
last
couple
of
years.
Transport
is
when
looking
at
climate,
the
climate
emergency
transport
is
it
is.
D
I
think
that's
also
a
very
useful
way
of
looking
at
it,
but
I
think
it
will
be
for
the
for
the
policy
detail
workshops
to
work
out
exactly
how
we
make
20
minutes
neighborhoods
more
real
in
outer
areas,
because
obviously
they're
the
more
car
dependent
parts
of
leads.
Hence,
when
we
look
at
the
carbon
maps,
that's
one
of
those
outer
areas
have
higher
carbon
use,
because
there's
that
that
higher
carbon
dependency,
you
know-
I
tell
you
from
a
point
of
view-
represents
heading
in
high
park.
Hittingly
now
parker
effectively
already
20
minute
neighborhoods.
D
So
you
know-
and
I
so
I
I
take
your
points
on
board.
I've
got
quite
a
few
speakers
wanting
to
come
in.
So
let's
take
a
few
elected
members
officers
before
we
come
in
with
some
some
responses.
I've
got
council
brooks
and
council
hayden.
I
Thanks
chair,
I
think
I
think,
on
the
20-minute
neighborhoods
issue.
I
think
I
think,
in
terms
of
like
the
the
reasoning
behind
it.
It's
it's
really
quite
persuasive
like.
I
If,
if
you
have
everything
within
a
20-minute
walk
of
where
you
live,
then
obviously
you
don't
need
to
jump
in
the
car
like
and
also
I
don't.
I
don't
think
that
I
don't
think
it's
just
walking
it's
also.
You
know
that
access
to
public
transport,
as
well
so
I'd
say
instead
of
instead
of
sort
of
potentially
knocking
a
policy
on
the
head
because
it
doesn't
fit
everywhere.
I
Yeah,
I
mean
public
transport,
obviously
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
into
the
difficulties
around
the
funding
and
the
infrastructure
for
that.
But
if
we
don't,
if
we
don't
put
all
our
cards
on
the
table
and
say
we
want
this,
I
don't
know
how
else
it's
going
to
be
achieved.
I
So
like,
although
I
fully
understand
like
the
challenges
that
are
going
to
be
involved
in
in
retrospectively,
making
20
minute
neighborhoods
in
the
outer
areas
and
to
be
fair,
like
some,
some
of
the
inner
areas
aren't
that
accessible
either
because
of
you
know
massive
roads
cutting
through
communities
and
things
like
this
like
yeah,
it
doesn't
mean
that
we
shouldn't
be.
I
We
shouldn't
be
working
towards
overcoming
those
challenges
it
might
take
a
while,
but
hopefully
we'll
get
there.
D
F
Thank
you,
chair
yeah,
the
20
minute
neighborhood
says
because
actually,
although
I
take
take
council
lamb's
point
which
really
well
made,
but
it's
difficult
in
the
outer
areas
actually
somewhere
like
weatherby,
you've
got
everything
in
the
in
the
town
of
weatherbay
that
you
could
possibly
need
and
if
you
live
within
the
the
actual
town
of
wetherby
and
obviously,
if
you
start
to
get
more
rural
in
terms
of
where
you
live,
then
it
becomes
much
more
difficult.
But
if
you
live
within
the
it's
got
everything
you
need.
It
is
the.
F
It
is
a
very
compact,
20-minute
neighborhood.
You
could
watch
your
house.
A
lot
of
people
in
weatherby
would
be
able
to,
whereas
if
you
live
in
cross
green
or
eastern
park
somewhere
like
that,
actually
get
into
decent
decent
shops
in
the
20-minute
walk
or
the
doctors
or
things
like
that,
so
yeah,
it's
something
that
we
should
all
we
should
be
striving
for,
that
people
can
access
the
services
they
need
access
their
community
and
what
it
has
to
offer
without
needing
a
car.
F
But
as
councillor
brooke
said,
it
can
be
as
difficult
in
some
inner
city
areas,
but
actually
in
a
fabulous
town
like
wetherby.
You
know
it's
got
everything
everything
you
need
kind
of
there
within
walking
distance
for
many
many
people
who
live
in
the
actual
town
surrounding
the
town
centre.
Thank
you.
B
Yeah,
I'm
saying
I
agree
with
councillor
brooks
and
we
can't
seems
to
have
everything
under
one
umbrella.
We
need
to
spread
it
out
and
we
are
talking
of
health
and
well-being
as
well.
B
If
we
have
everything
just
in
one
place
is
that
same
we're
not
going
to
move
about,
so
we
do
need
to
move
and
as
councilor
brooke
says,
sometimes
we
just
have
to
put
our
trust
and
confidence
and
open
plays,
are
right
in
the
expert
I'll
agree
with
some
of
what
counselor
lam
said,
but
we
just
I
don't
agree
with
everything
jam
pack.
I
agreed.
We
have
different
ages
and
we
have
to
encourage
the
younger
ones
to
move.
D
D
Certainly,
I
see
a
lot
of
policies
around
the
country
that
look
at
something
like
a
15
to
1
replacement
to
loss
ratio,
and
I
think
that's
that's,
certainly
where
a
lot
of
people
in
the
country
seem
to
be
which,
rather
than
three
to
one
ratio-
and
it's
also
the
nature
of
that-
that
replacement
planting
that
we've
got
work
to
do
there.
I
think
as
well.
What
do
folks
think
about
the
tension
between
having
local
policies
versus
hoping
national
policy
will
will
get
there
in
the
end
I
tend
to
er
towards.
D
O
D
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
Yeah
leads
leads.
I
know
it's
corny,
but
you
know
what
I
mean
yeah,
because
I'm
I
mean
national
policy
is
catching
up,
but
whether
it'll
continue
to
I
don't
know
I'm.
D
F
Agree
because
we
need
to
do
what's
best
for
leads
and
and
what
fits
with
our
other
policies
that
yeah.
B
F
Know
into
act
with
them
the
planning
policies
such
as
the
transport.
You
know
strategy
and
things
like
that.
So
we
really
need
to
look
at
what's
best
for
elite
and
you
know
fold
your
head
with
our
own
policy,
making
as
much
as
we
possibly
legally
can
yeah.
D
J
Thank
you.
Well,
I
it's
a
new
hand
going
back
to
an
old
point,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
the
the
point
I
made
hadn't
been
lost
and
just
to
come
back
to
what
council
hadn't
said,
which
is
absolutely
right.
J
Weatherby
is
a
wonderful
place
to
live,
but
where
she's
wrong
and
I'll
be
delighted
to
to
bring
her
and
give
her
a
tour
around,
is
it
doesn't
have
everything
for
everybody
and
there's
a
often
a
misconception,
a
lot
of
outer
areas
that
they're
lovely
places
to
live
and
they
are
and
that
everybody's
doing?
Well,
that
is
not
not
the
case
at
all.
J
So
if
you
need
to
visit
a
job
center
and
you
live
in
weatherby,
then
you're
not
in
a
20-minute
neighborhood
if
you've
got
a
an
outpatient
appointment
at
a
hospital
which
quite
frequently
is
york.
That
means
that's
probably
a
whole
day
out
to
get
there
for
the
two
hourly
bus
service
that
that
runs
and
there's
I'm
I'm
just
I'm
just
making
that
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
on
this
is
not
that
we
should
not
strive
for
20
minute
neighborhoods.
I
think
we
should
the
the
issue.
J
I
was
trying
to
raise
is
the
tension
where
it's
difficult
to
do
it,
because
you
don't
have
lots
of
people
that
need
to
access
a
particular
service
reluctantly,
accepting
that
the
transport
infrastructure
problem
is
not
going
to
be
solved
by
us
around
in
this
meeting
and
forum
or
anytime
soon.
So
it's
how
you
make
sure
we
are
doing
the
best
we
possibly
can
in
those
areas
that
can
achieve
20-minute
neighborhoods
and
how
we
manage
through
policies
the
tension
between
policies.
D
Yeah
yeah,
and
thank
you
for
that.
I
think
that
that's
that's
illuminating.
I
think
when
we
get
into
the
detail
policy
development
of
this
we're
going
to
have
to
be
clear,
I
think
it's
florence,
insofar
as
much
as
we
can
be
as
to
what
types
of
infrastructure
can
reasonably
fit
into
20
minutes
looking
at
mr
feeney
and
go
on
this
so,
for
example,
to
find
the
animators
something
like
a
job
center.
You
couldn't
reasonably,
I
don't
think,
put
into
a
into
a
20-minute
neighborhood
categorization,
but
a
gps
practice.
You
could
so.
D
E
Think
it's
a
good
point
that
members
are
raising
about
20
minutes
neighborhoods
and
I
think
it's
question
of
overlaying
that
isn't
it
with
the
existing
town
and
district
centers
we
had,
which
are
many
and
varied
in
character,
and
each
one
will
have
its
own
unique
identity.
I
think
the
common
thread
across
all
of
them
and
between
them
is
that
it's
about
improving
the
vitality
and
viability
of
those
centers
and
where
it
is
possible
to
locate
or
co-locate
facilities
within
them.
E
Then
we
should
make
the
most
of
those
opportunities,
because
if
we
can
do
that
as
a
basis
to
reduce
the
number
of
trips
either
by
the
private
car
or
on
public
transport,
then
it
enables
people
to
live
their
lives
as
locally
as
they
can.
I
suppose
the
point
that
council
lam
is
making
that
you
get
to
a
threshold
where
it
simply
isn't
possible
to
achieve
a
certain
type
of
facility
at
that
local
level
and
because
of
the
way
different
providers
and
services
operate,
you
can't
necessarily
neatly
fit
them
within
the
catchments
of
a
local
center.
E
E
D
Thanks,
you
plan
officer
again
extremely
helpful:
a
policy
leaver
powerful
enough
to
help
communities
as
diverse
as
alan's,
helens
and
cayley's.
So
that's
no,
no
mean
feat.
I
mean
challenge
ahead
of
us,
I'm
sure
we're
up
for
it
is
there
any
more
comments
on
the
so
far
council
brooks
is
our
new
hand
to
casser
anderson.
I
This
is
just
my
brain
being
probably
a
bit
mental,
but
do
we
need
to
perhaps
designate
new
centers
like
work
out
where
the
the
areas
are
that
don't
have
much
by
way
of
coverage
and
like
that
had
also
maybe
answer
the
question
of
employment
sites
as
well,
but
I
do
understand
that
there's
a
minimum
amount
of
residents
needed
per
per
cent
to
to
make
a
make
a
place
viable
yeah.
I
I
do
I
do
wonder
if
like
if
we
were
to
map
all
of
the
all
of
the
centers
and
work
out
like
exactly
where
all
the
20-minute
neighborhoods
are
like.
Could
you
know
if
there's
a
if
there's
a
big
gap
in
the
middle
of
a
load
of
them,
like
maybe
we
could
just
designate
one
there.
D
L
Yeah,
absolutely,
and
obviously,
if
catherine
and
martin
wants
it
to
come
in
on
on
this
topic,
obviously
they
may
be
able
to
add
more
detail,
but
in
terms
of
town
centres,
we're
doing
a
lot
of
work
at
the
moment
to
to
assess
kind
of
the
health
of
centers
following
covid
and
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
that
we're
doing
an
awful
lot
of
on-site
assessments
just
and
and
not
just
capturing
sort
of
quality
data,
but
but
quantitative
data
as
well
so
and
be
able
to
compare
our
centers
as
well
just
to
see
where,
where
best
practices
and
where
healthy,
centers
are
and
aren't.
L
But
I
think
members
have
raised
some
really
key
philosophical
questions
really
about
the
switchback
neighborhood
question.
If
I
may
say
so,
you
know
it's
because
the
question
at
the
heart
of
it,
I
suppose,
is,
do
we
do.
We
is
our
aspiration
to
create
20-minute
neighborhoods
or
is
it
to
direct
development
to
where
they
already
exist?
That's
kind
of
one
of
the
questions,
that's
at
the
heart
of
it.
So
if
it's
the
former,
as
I
think
councilor
brooks
suggests
you
know,
do
we
do
we
we're
trying
to
turn
everywhere
into
a
20-minute
neighborhood?
L
How
could
we
go
about
doing
that?
As
council
alum
says,
there
are
other
areas
of
the
city
that
are
going
to
be
quite
difficult
to
achieve
that.
I
know
in
catherine's
team
and
ian's
team
that
work
has
been
done
to
look
at
where
we
think
already
20
minute
neighborhoods
exist,
so
that
map
that
council
brooks
suggests
we.
We
we've
tried
to
create
a
kind
of
proxy
for
that.
I
say
proxy
because
we've
used
the
locations
of
local
and
town
centres
and
20
minute
distances
to
that
now.
L
The
20
minute
concept
is
a
little
bit
more
subtle
than
just
town
centres.
There
are
other
things
in
there
and
not
in
there,
but
we
can
use
it
as
a
proxy
and,
as
I
think,
as
both
councillor
brooks
and
hayden
said,
there
are
areas
in
the
inner
areas
that
that
don't
meet
those.
You
know
those
criteria
either
it's
not
just
the
outer
areas,
but
we'd
have
a
real.
L
We
are
certainly
able
through
policy.
I
would
argue
whether
this
is
the
plan
to
do
it,
but
we're
we.
We
are
able
to
designate
centers.
The
issue
is
obviously
whether
the
market
is
interested
in
actually
providing
the
facilities
that
are
required
to
make
it
a
20-minute.
Neighborhood
council,
council
brooks
is
absolutely
right
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
people
that
are
acquired.
You
know
when
you
think
of
new
supermarkets,
new
doctors
surgeries.
L
They
work
on
models
that
require
a
number
of
people
within
walking,
distance
or
driving
distance,
and
if
those
models
aren't
due
to,
they
won't
really
provide
facilities
there.
So
there's
a
difficulty
in
us
sort
of
preemptively
saying
this
is
where
a
town
center
should
be
but
doesn't
currently
exist.
L
So
new
development
does
allow
us
those
options
if
we're
doing
it
within
existing
communities,
it
does
become
a
bit
challenging.
As
to
how
realistic
it
is
for
the
market
to
actually
deliver
it,
but
all
debate
that
we
should
definitely
be
having-
and
I
certainly
don't
want
to
close
off
any
options,
I
think
that.
B
L
G
G
Approach
that
will
sit
across
the
plan
that
helps
implement
a
lot
of
policies,
so,
instead
of
just
thinking
about
accessibility
as
a
determinant
of
housing
growth
on
its
own,
we're
thinking
about
accessibility
along
with
town
center
health,
along
with
density
along
with
design
and
place
making
it
with,
with
with
the
focus
on
neighborhood
and
with
a
focus
on
accessible
neighborhood.
So
if
that
helps
it
it
will,
it
may
be
that
we
need
to
finish
off
the
task
of
a
fully
compliant
20-minute
neighborhood
plan
when
it
comes
to
local
plan.
G
Update
too,
when
we're
looking
at
employment
allocations
and
housing
allocations
and
town
centre
designations.
So
so,
and
I
think,
if
that's
the
case,
we
can
explore
that
in
a
workshop
to
give
a
bit
more
clarity
in
terms
of
what
we
need
to
do
now
and
what
we'll
do
next.
D
H
Those
areas
that
have
a
neighborhood
plan?
Has
there
been
any
discussion,
not
necessarily
about
20
minute
neighborhood,
but
at
a
national
level,
about
neighborhood
plans
looking
at
how
they
can
build
in
what's
needed
in
that
that
area
and
those
areas
that
don't
have
neighborhood
plans?
Is
it
not
then
incumbent
upon
the
council
to
develop
some
sort
of
local
design
plan
to
fit
in
with
all
of
these?
These
types
of
things
I
mean
it's
it's
the
way
forward.
H
D
Now
good
questions,
officers.
N
Thank
you,
councillor,
anderson
in
terms
of
neighborhood
planning.
I
have
a
start
with
the
positive
I
mean
we.
We
have
recently
been
advised
that
we've
been
successful,
successful
in
securing
some
pilot
funding
for
inner
city
and
more
deprived
communities,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
keen
to
do
is
to
explore
the
concept
of
20-minute
neighborhoods
in
those
particular
areas.
N
But,
of
course,
with
the
plans
that
are
either
already
made
in
leeds
or
are
well
progressed.
There
is
a
bit
of
a
time
lag
because
those
plan,
those
policies
in
those
plans,
were
actually
developed
some
years
ago,
they've
taken
quite
some
time
to
get
through
this
system
and
councillor
anderson
in
your
world.
I
mean
you
know
and
and
other
areas
you
know
you
know-
that's
been
taking
place
for
some
time,
so
it
might
be
a
matter
of
review.
There
are
some.
N
D
Okey-Dokey,
thanks
for
you
know,
martin,
is
that
a
new
handle.
G
Yeah
thanks
councillor
just
to
say
on
the
national
model,
design
code,
councillor
anderson,
having
tested
the
government's
approach
to
that
and
and
looked
specifically
at
whether
it
was
possible
to
to
go
down
a
sort
of
a
coding
route
for
large
swathes
of
the
city.
I
think
the
conclusion
that
we
reached
was
that
design
was
much
better,
being
reactive
to
particular
neighborhoods
in
particular
circumstances
as
they
arise.
G
So
we
would
certainly
be
looking
to
prepare
policies
that
really
support
that
approach,
and
that
would
be
along
the
lines
of
updating
neighborhoods
for
living.
The
council's
current
spd
on
design
and
giving
that
a
lot
more
prominence
through
uppercase
policy
within
the
plan.
H
Yeah,
so
that's
fine,
I
mean
that
because
I
mean
it
was
council.
Hayden
was
talking
about
a
number
of
inner
city
areas
and
it's
just.
They
may
not
have
a
neighborhood
plan,
but
it's
how?
What
can
we
do
as
a
council
to
actually
give
them
support
so
that
they
can
develop
a
cohesive
strategy?
It's
fine
in
some
of
our
areas.
You
know
even
and
headingly
you've
got
active
people
who
are
interested
in
that
type
of
thing.
Not
every
community
necessarily
benefits
from
the
same
there.
So
it's.
H
F
Can
I
just
come
in
there
because
there's
a
number
of
in
what
we
would
call
more
in
the
city
areas?
Holbrake
was
obviously
the
the
first
of
quite
a
few
years
ago.
F
Headingly
in
headingley's
neighborhood
plan
is
nearing
completion
and,
as
is
hyde
parks,
and
these
are
these
are
proper
neighborhood
plans
and
really
so
we're
starting
in
chapel,
town
and
chapel
allerton,
and
this
pilot
funding
will
look
at
neighbor
plans
in
areas
such
as
hair,
hills
and
and
lincoln,
green
and
and
places
like
that,
yeah
so,
and
little
wood
house
as
a
as
council,
brook
says
in
the
in
the
chat.
F
So
actually
we
are
doing
and
it's
down
to
the
support
and
the
huge
amount
of
work
that
ian
and
his
team
have
put.
I
have
put
and
now
continuing
to
put
and
that's
why
they've
won
this
funding,
this
pilot
funding
to
specifically
look
at
inner
city
areas,
and
I
think
it's
really
important
with
all
our
policies
so,
and
especially
the
ones
that
we're
looking
at
today
in
terms
of
the
ecological
environment,
greening
and
all
those
sorts
of
things
really
important
into
these
neighbourhood
plans
going
forward.
Thank
you.
D
Yeah
thanks
clowns
hayden,
as
I'm
frequently
fond
of
saying,
there's
an
awful
lot
going
on
right,
don't
see
any
more
speaks
on
this
item
and
I'm
just
conscious
of
time
we're
probably
going
to
run
a
bit
over
we've,
given
obviously
the
team
a
lot
to
think
about.
D
Just
thinking
should
we
move
on
to
if
everyone's
in
a
car
to
the
same
community
involvement
item.
So
that's
ian
and
caroline.
N
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair
before
I
hand
over
to
caroline
harris
who
will
take
you
through
the
main
points
in
the
report.
I
just
want
to
say
a
few
words
about
where
we
are
and
what
happens
next,
but
actually
also
to
record
our
thanks
to
those
who
have
taken
part
in
the
scoping
consultation.
N
We've
had
some
really
good
comments,
although
it
was
some
time
ago
and
but
also
to
the
members
of
the
sci
engagement
group,
who
have
been
made
up
of
a
range
of
stakeholders,
including
community
and
business,
who
have
been
really
quite
constructive
and
positive
in
their
advice
and
support.
So
far,
so
that's
been
a
real,
a
real
benefit
in
in
this
piece
of
work.
But
of
course
we
have
an
interim
sci
and
that
has
allowed
us
to
continue
to
deliver
a
quality
planning
service
during
the
period
of
covered
restrictions.
N
So
we
will
present
a
draft
document
to
the
march
dpp
meeting
prior
to
consultation
and
at
that
consultation
we
can
utilize
some
of
the
no
tried
and
tested
techniques
successfully
used
in
your
local
plan,
update
consultation
last
summer
and,
of
course,
restrictions
permitting
undertake
face-to-face
consultation,
hopefully,
but
before
we
do
that,
we
have
an
opportunity
at
this
meeting
to
take
stock
and
discuss
what
the
new
document
should
look
like
what
it
should
include
and
importantly
how
we
can
set
the
tone
for
engagement
and
consultation
for
the
next
five
years
and
as
highlighted
in
the
previous
discussion,
this
is
going
to
be
a
critical
period
for
planning
for
the
district
and
for
climate
change.
N
M
Thanks
very
much
ian
good
afternoon,
everybody
in
thinking
about
what
the
new
sci
should
look
like
and
what
it
should
include.
We
have
had
the
benefit
of
a
positive
and
constructive
sci
engagement
group,
who
also
helped
design
the
successful
scoping
consultation
where
we
had
good
feedback
from
local
residents,
community
and
neighbourhood
planning
groups,
businesses
and
other
stakeholders.
M
M
M
When
we
considered
the
results
of
the
scoping
consultation.
The
university
of
reading
research
and
the
local
plan
update
consultation
together.
One
solution
for
a
more
user-friendly
document
would
be
to
have
a
three-part
document
with
distinctive
but
related
parts,
which
would
help
with
navigation
clarity
and,
ultimately,
more
effective,
insufficient
and
efficient
consultation
and
engagement.
M
M
Part
two
would
be
the
more
operational
section
of
the
sci
setting
out
how
we
will
consult
on
the
preparation
of
policy
documents,
publicize
planning
applications
and
support
neighborhood
planning.
This
section
will
detail
the
statutory
requirements,
but
we
will
also
set
out
those
areas
where
we
may
be
able
to
do
more
subject
to
resources.
M
These
include
using
the
most
appropriate
methods
of
engagement
for
each
area
or
neighborhood
targeting
those
harder
to
reach
groups,
as
we
tried
with
the
local
plan,
update
consultation
and
making
sure
our
advancements
in
digital
consultation
engagement
do
not
leave
behind
people
who
are
not
online
or
do
not
feel
comfortable.
Using
this
medium,
we
would
also
set
out
in
part
three
how
we
will
monitor
and
review
the
effectiveness
of
the
sci
moving
forward.
M
M
M
How
can
we
make
the
best
use
of
digital
technology,
interactive
website
online
workshops,
digital
advertising,
etc,
but
still
ensure
those
who
can't
or
won't
take
part
online
are
included
in
consultation
engagement
and
what
indicators
could
we
include
to
judge
the
success
of
consultation
and
engagement
activity
in
the
future?
I
Thanks
chair,
thank
you
for
the
report.
There
there's
some
really
useful
things
in
there.
I
was
just
wondering
what
what
thought
has
been
given
to
visiting
community
committees
and
getting
community
committee
chairs
involved
in
specific,
specifically
like
the
place
making
aspects
around
this,
because
in
my
experience,
people
don't
really
care
that
much
about
planning
until
there's
something
that
they
don't
like
and
they'll
say
things
like
well,
no
one
ever
told
me
and
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah.
I
I
I
really
do,
but
in
terms
of
like
active
engagement
like
I
do,
I
do
feel
like
community
committees
may
be
a
way
of
like
getting
in
there
and
also
that
it
should
be
pitched
more
as
a
sort
of
place
making
rather
than
being
bogged
down
in
really
like
you
say
before,
like
you
said
before
the
acronyms
and
the
really
technical,
jargony
sort
of
planning
language,
something
something
simple
like
a
what
kind
of
place
do
you
want
to
live
in
just
and
then
you
know
it's
opening
a
discussion
as
to
what,
like.
P
I
It
a
positive
thing
rather
than
talking
about
specific
policies
and
things
like
this,
so
then
you
know
you're
taking
you're,
taking
what
people
want
to
see
and
then
trying
to
work
it
into
new
policy
rather
than.
I
D
No,
it
does
what
do
what
does
ian
and
caroline
think.
N
N
I
mean
there
was
a
time
when,
as
neighborhood
planning
plans
were
progressing,
I
would
take
them
to
community
committee,
not
every
community
committee
actually,
but
but
quite
a
number
of
them
inner
south
and
outer
north
northeast,
in
particular
at
that
time,
and
that
was
a
very
effective
method
of
not
just
me
engaging
with
that
committee,
but
actually
the
people
preparing
the
plans
actually
engaging
with
the
committee
as
well
and
actually
highlighting
a
number
of
issues
and
priorities.
N
So
I
think
that's
a
really
good
point,
and
one
that
can
certainly
be
taken
forward
is
also
a
really
timely
point
as
well,
because
martin
and
I
actually
have
a
meeting
with
liz
german.
I
think
it's
it's
coming
up
on
thursday.
I
remember
correctly
to
discuss
that
very
point,
although
the
focus
will
initially
be
only
on
the
priority
neighborhoods,
but
it
is
something
that
we
are
very
keen
to
take
forward
and
no
doubt
we
will
report
back
to
this
panel
in
in
due
course.
D
Really
helpful,
it's
councillor,
gruen.
K
Thank
you
just
a
few
comments
really
on
on
the
narration
that
we've
just
had.
First
of
all,
I
think
it
should
be
as
specific
to
leads
as
possible,
so
I
think
you
were
mentioning
an
annex
or
a
section
that
made
it
very
leads
specific.
I
think
it
should
be
very,
very
lead
specific.
I
mean
we
are
all
here
to
represent
our
city
and
the
more
relevant
it
can
be
to
our
own
surroundings,
the
better
from
my
point
of
view.
So
it's
a
yes
from
me
to
that
one.
K
The
second
point
I
wanted
to
make-
and
I
have
said
this
before
when
we've
been
talking
about
neighborhood
plans,
the
links
that
you
make
with
neighborhood
planning
are
very
very
valid
and
I
completely
see
why
they
are
there,
but
I
would
just
ask
you,
particularly
if
you
were
using
neighborhood
planning
scoring,
for
example,
as
success
criteria
to
just
bear
in
mind
the
difference
in
capacity
for
community
engagement
in
different
parts
of
the
city.
K
The
reason
that
we
in
bramley,
for
example,
don't
have
a
neighborhood
plan
is
because
it
is
extremely
difficult
to
engage
our
communities
in
wanting
to
do
that.
Let
alone
take
a
lead
in
it,
and
the
only
way
we
wind
up
with
one
is
if
one
of
the
three
councillors
leads
it
and
and
engages
others,
and
you
know
it
would
then
be
a
counsellor-led
plan.
So
I
would
ask
you
to
bear
in
mind
the
different
community
capacities
and
also
the
different
registers
in
which
I
think
we
need
to
engage
with
communities
around
the
city.
K
So
for
me,
if,
if
we're
going
to
introdu,
if
we're
going
to
involve
the
people
that
I
represent,
it
will
have
to
not
be
dry,
it
will
not
have
to
have
jargon
in
it
and
it
will
have
to
be
not
written
in
planning
language
because
we
lose
them
straight
away,
a
lot,
a
lot
of
them.
So
I
think
we
have
to
think
about
the
art
of
consultation
as
well
as
what
we're
consulting
about
and
how
we're
consulting.
K
That
would
be
what
I
would
have
to
say,
and
I
absolutely
agree
with
the
comments
that
have
been
made
about
taking
it
to
community
committees.
I
think
that
is
a
very,
very
valid
way
of
consulting
and
neighborhood
forums.
From
that
point
of
view,
as
well,
yep.
H
So
what
I
would
say
what
would
be
an
interesting
test
is:
how
will
we
go
about
explaining
to
these
groups
what
we're
actually
talking
about
today
when
it
goes
out
for
its
next
level
of
consultation,
you
know,
but
it's,
how
would
we
do
it?
I
mean,
and
will
this
proposal
meet
that
requirement
or
does
it
need
refining.
B
B
N
Really
good
point,
councillor
anderson,
I
mean
I
think
I
mean
before
martin.
I
think
martin
might
want
to
say
a
few
words
there
as
well.
But
I
think
the
key
one
that
I
want
to
make
is
that's
in
some
ways
where
the
engagement
strategy
comes
in
prior
to
consultation
taking
place.
So
it's
not
just
about
who
you're,
who
you
want
to
engage
with
so,
for
example,
they're
harder
to
reach
groups
or
or
whatever.
But
the
critical
thing
is.
N
How
do
you
engage
and-
and
you
know
evidence
strongly
suggests
in
leeds
that
different
things
work
in
different
parts
of
the
district
and
I
think
we're
not
quite
there
yet.
But
I
think
that's
one
of
the
opportunities
that
we
have
in
part
three
of
the
sti
is
in
making
it
locally
distinctive.
We
can
begin
to
get
under
the
skin
of
what
does
work
in
different
parts
of
the
district
and
what
doesn't
work
and
actually
start
to
draft
engagement
strategies
for
for
the
work
that
we're
doing
related
to
that.
N
And
I
think
that
is
the
way
that,
with
the
way
in
there
is,
of
course,
going
to
have
to
be
an
element
of
trying
and
testing
on
this
as
well,
because
it
isn't.
It
isn't
an
exact
science,
consultation
and
engagement,
of
course,
and
we
will
need
to
feel
our
way
somewhat.
D
Yeah,
I
agree
martin
and
adam.
G
Thanks
castle,
warsaw
yeah,
just
I
mean
councillor
anderson,
raises
a
a
very
good
point
and
I
hope
that
some
of
the
the
consultation
methods
that
were
deployed
for
the
local
plan-
update,
reg
18
consultation
in
july
to
september
last
year
showed
that
we're
starting
to
do
that.
G
Hopefully,
members
could
see
that
some
of
the
language
and
the
the
the
wording
on
the
website
and
the
navigation
navigability
of
the
website
and
the
the
use
of
pictures
and
the
use
of
diagrams
etc
was
really
starting
to
starting
to
talk
to
and
engage
people,
and
we
can
go
further
and-
and
I
think
we
have
at
our
disposal
some
very
good
urban
designers
within
the
council
and
it's
my
intention
that
when
we
go
out
for
specific
policies,
I'd
like
to
draw
what
good
looks
like
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
show
people
in
leads.
G
What
we
think.
The
different
development
under
different
types
of
policy
will
be
and
have
them
engage
with
a
picture
rather
than
than
words
on
a
page.
So
you're
absolutely
right.
But
it's
various
sort
of
techniques
like
that
that
that
I
think
we're
really
up
for
using.
D
N
Yes,
thanks
guys
so
and
we'll
come
back
to
the
the
march
meeting
with
a
draft
sci
and
luke
to
undertake
consultation
on
that
shortly
afterwards.
B
D
B
E
G
M
Yeah
consultation
can
still
sort
of
technically
occur.
It
would
just
be
a
case,
though,
of
members,
therefore
refraining
from
entering
into
interaction
on
the
consultation
and
standing
apart
from
that.
G
Chair
if
I
was
going
to
offer-
yes,
I
think
certainly
it
would
be
really
helpful
to
show
pace
on
this
and
bring
it
back
to
dpp
in
march.
There
is
an
option
for
members
to
to
to
make
an
agreement
to
to
consult
on
this
and
then
hold
that
consultation
in
abeyance
for
a
period
of
time,
but
certainly
we
would.
We
would
advise
members
at
the
time
and
at
that
panel
as
to
the
risks
associated
with
any
consultation
that
were
to
occur
to
stray
into
the
purdue
period.
D
Yeah
I
mean
I'm
relatively
comfortable
with
that-
I
must
admit
myself
as
chair,
but
we
do
need
to
keep
the
pace
up
across
the
board,
with
both
the
local
plan
review
and
the
sci.
So
our
next
meeting
dates
are.
G
Yes,
chair
the
site
allocations,
plan
remittal
finishes
its
consultation
at
the
end
of
this
month
and
in
order
to
allow
the
planning
inspector
sufficient
time
to
be
able
to
to
consider
a
report
and
bring
back
to
that
dpp
meeting.
There
is
a
suggestion
that
we
hold
that
meeting
on
either
the
14th
or
the
15th
of
march
instead
of
right
at
the
beginning
of
march.
On
the
first.
D
And
we
could
do
the
we
could
do
the
tuesday
it
clashes
with
planned
shows,
but
I
think
we
could
we
need
to
make
progress
on
all
these
things.
So
let's
do
this
by
email,
let's
circulate
a
poll
as
it
were
and
we'll
go
from
there.
D
In
that
case,
I
think
we're
done.
Colleagues
yep
good
that
case
gonna.
Follow
me
close.
The
meeting
wish
you
all
a
safe
journey
downstairs
put
the
kettle
on
or
wherever
you
are
and
I'll
see
you
all
very
soon,
thanks
for
everything
this
afternoon.
Folks
much
appreciated.