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A
Good
good
afternoon,
everybody
welcome
to
development
plan
panel
on
the
18th
of
may
2021.
This
is
the
first
time
we've
met
in
person
for
quite
a
long
time,
so
it's
very
welcome
to
see
faces
that
are
not
behind
the
screen.
Purpose.
Introduction.
I'm
council
neal
walshart,
I'm
heading
in
the
hype
warden
I
chair
the
panel.
I've
got
a
bit
of
a
prepared
script
to
go
through.
Colleagues,
if
you
don't
mind
and
then
then
we'll
do
some
introductions.
A
So
I'm
chairing
today's
meeting,
I'd
like
to
remind
everybody
that
this
meeting
is
held
in
a
way
that
is
covered,
secure
and
meets
all
current
health
and
safety
guidelines.
A
The
meeting's
been
live
streamed
as
we
have
been
operating
in
in
lockdown
folks
when
we
were
doing
a
remote
meeting,
so
there's
absolutely
no
escape
from
being
on
youtube.
I'm
afraid,
and
before
I
begin
like
to
inform
members
of
the
health
and
safety
guidance
we've
received
from
council
officers,
recommends
that
meetings
should
be
concluded
within
90
minutes.
A
So
whilst
we
do
not
suggest
that
we
curtail
debate,
could
I
ask
members
to
bear
this
in
mind?
We've
come
to
discuss
the
the
substantive
items.
We
have
to
do
today
and
I'm
looking
at
no
elected
member
in
particular.
As
I
say
all
of
this,
I'm
moving
my
eyes
around
the
room
so
that
nobody
feels
any
particular
right.
So
we're
going
to
do
introductions
so
I'll
I'm
going
to
go
in
alphabetical
order
rather
than
around
the
room.
A
B
A
Thank
you.
Councillor,
carter
is
normally
here,
but
we're
pleasures.
We've
got
council
allen,
lam
subbing
on.
I
A
K
Thanks,
chad
there's
no
appeals
against
the
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents
and,
under
a
general
item
number
two.
There
are
no
items
which
require
the
exclusion
of
the
press
in
public
under
agenda
item
number:
three:
there's
no
late
items
to
do
under
agenda
item
number
four:
please
connect
members
to
declare
any
disposable,
peculiar
interests,
I'll
take
silence,
there's
none!
Thank
you.
Under
agenda
item
number.
Five.
Apologies
have
been
received
from
councillors,
finnegan
and
carter
council
lamb's
here
to
substitute
on
behalf
of
council
andrew
carter,
thanks
chad.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
So
enjoyed
our
item
six
minutes
the
previous
meeting
held
second
march
2021.
So
if
you
could
all
turn
to
your
document
pack
or
or
online,
if
you
look
at
them
online,
so
we
were
well.
I
said
we're
about
to
say
we
were
here,
but
we
were
remote
on
the
second
of
march
2021
and
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
page
by
page,
but
I'm
going
to
ask
presume
that
you've
read
this
members.
Any
member
got
anything
to
raise
either
within
the
minutes
or
as
a
matter
arising.
I
Thank
you
chair,
there's
a
battery
rising
in
terms
of
an
update
on
the
the
planning
reforms
chair
which
I'm
able
to
provide.
If
that
would
be
helpful,.
H
If
I
may
just
just
a
couple
of
matters
arising
on
the
the
minutes
themselves,
thank
you.
So
the
first
is
in
relation
to
the
the
site
allocations
plan
and
members
will
be
aware
that
that
was
submitted
after
being
endorsed
by
full
council
and
that
was
submitted
to
the
inspector
on
the
26th
of
march.
So
that
plan
is
now
officially
at
examination
and
it's
in
the
hands
of
the
inspector.
H
Louise
gibbons
who's
been
appointed
by
the
secretary
of
state
to
independently
consider
the
the
sapr
middle
and
members
will
remember
that
the
the
sacramental
concerns
37
sites,
which
the
large
amount
of
those
are
related
to
former
housing
sites
in
the
green
belt
that
are
being
returned
to
the
green
belt.
H
Members
will
also
recall
that
one
of
those
sites
at
brown,
moore
barobi
lane,
following
a
consultation
in
january
and
february,
the
council
reminded
to
make
a
modification
to
the
to
the
submission
of
that
site
and
instead
of
removing
that
from
the
green
belt,
because
it
was
tied
up
with
the
housing
sites,
actually
allocate
that
fully
for
employment.
H
Now
the
inspector
has
identified
an
opportunity
for
some
consultation
to
occur
on
that
specific
main
modification
and
members
will
have
seen,
hopefully
an
email
as
part
of
that
consultation
material,
which
alerted
them
to
the
fact
that
anybody
can
now
make
a
comment
on
that
modification
and
that
modification
only
in
terms
of
it's
being
taken
out
of
the
green
belt
for
employment
use
and
that
modification
is
supported
by
evidence
which
members
will
be
aware
of
in
terms
of
employment
need.
H
So
I'm
happy
to
take
questions
on
on
that,
but
just
to
also
confirm
that
the
examination
process
now
we've
got
a
bit
of
clarity
on
that.
The
inspector
will
start
to
communicate
with
the
council.
In
terms
of
asking
questions
on
the
material
that's
been
submitted
to
her,
that's
gonna
happen
through
june
and
july.
A
Nope
just
remember,
you
have
to
actually
physically
raise
your
hands
now,
not
not
not
press
a
button
or
anything;
okay,
okay,
just
just
just
to
check
in
that
case.
Before
being
mr
feeding
with
an
update
on
planning
legislation,
can
I
have
someone
to
move
the
minutes?
I
Thank
you
chair.
It
was
just
to
update
members
on
on
the
planning
reforms,
and
members
will
be
aware
that
there
was
the
queen's
speech
last
week
sitting
out
the
broad
headlines
of
the
reforms.
Just
just
to
recap.
Panel
will
recall
that
the
planning
white
paper
was
published
on
the
6th
of
august
last
year
with
a
deadline
of
the
29th
of
october.
For
for
comment,
and
at
the
time
the
government
said
that
this
was
the
biggest
overhaul
of
the
planning
system,
since
it
was
first
introduced
in
1947.
I
and
following
on
from
that,
we
at
this
panel
considered
various
comments
and
and
particularly
on
the
8th
of
september,
and
they
were
submitted
for
the
deadline.
As
part
of
the
council's
response.
I
I
So
members
will
recall
this
was
around
zoning
and
the
use
of
design
codes,
a
commitment
to
significantly
decreasing
the
time
it
takes
for
developments
to
go
through
the
planning
system,
replacing
the
existing
systems
of
funding,
affordable
housing
and
infrastructure
for
development,
with
a
more
predictable
and
transparent
levy
using
post-brexit
freedoms,
to
simplify,
enhance
the
framework
for
environmental
assessments
for
development.
I
So
this
is
really
creating
legislation
around
what
replaces
environmental
impact
assessments,
habitat
regulations,
assessment
and
strategic
environmental
appraisals
and
then
finally
reforming
the
framework
for
locally
led
development
corporations
to
ensure
local
areas
have
access
to
appropriate
delivery
vehicles
to
support
growth
and
regeneration
so
they're
the
details
we
have
so
far
chair,
I
mean
clearly
over
the
next
few
months.
We
will
see
more.
I
We
understand
that
the
autumn
will
be
when
this
legislation
is
first
put
put
before
parliament
and
we'll
see
a
little
bit
more
detail
at
that
point,
and
we're
also
still
awaiting
the
government's
publication
of
the
responses
to
responses
to
the
planning
white
paper
itself,
and
we
haven't
yet
seen
that
share,
but
we
can
provide
further
updates
for
this
panel
if
that
would
be
helpful.
Thank
you.
A
Thanks
for
david
yeah,
I
think
keeping
us
all
updated
as
possible
is
the
way
forward.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
quite
a
an
evolving
situation
between
now
and
and
that
parliamentary
time
in
september.
Has
anyone
got
any
questions
for
the
chief
of
planned
office
at
this
point
on
this
nope?
Okay,
thanks
very
much
for
that
very
much
appreciated.
J
Thank
you
chair.
Hopefully
we're
now
broadcasting
this
presentation
as
well.
So
thank
you
chair.
I
intensity.
The
report
has
read.
However,
I
have
prepared
a
short
presentation
to
help
summarize
the
report
and
the
consultation
material
and
hopefully
to
lead
us
into
members.
Questions
and
comments
in
front
of
members
is
the
latest
paper
on
the
local
plan
update,
which
contains
the
draft
consultation
material
proposed
to
be
consulted
on
in
july
this
year.
J
Following
an
initial
policy
review
and
initial
engagement
with
colleagues
and
members,
we're
proposing
to
broaden
that
scope
beyond
carbon
reduction
to
also
include
highly
related
topics
such
as
flood
risk,
green
infrastructure,
place,
making
and
sustainable
infrastructure,
largely
because
of
their
important
contribution
to
the
climate.
Emergency
topic
planning
is
obviously
just
one
part
of
this
agenda,
but
it's
a
crucial
one
and
has
a
role
to
play
in
achieving
quality,
green,
healthy,
active
and
connected
communities
across
leeds
I
set
out
in
the
report.
The
first
regulatory
stage
of
the
local
plan
update
will
be
regulation,
18
consultation.
J
The
purpose
of
this
stage
is
to
get
views
on
what
matters
the
local
plan
update,
will
need
to
consider
and
address
otherwise
known
as
the
scope
of
the
plan,
while
sustainability
has
been
at
the
heart
of
the
planning
system
and
leads
local
plan
for
decades.
Much
about
the
climate
emergency
requires
new
technology
and
new
ways
of
thinking.
As
such.
One
thing
that
we
can
be
we
can
guarantee
is
that
we
don't
have
all
the
answers.
J
That's
why
consultation
is
so
important.
This
is
a
crucial
opportunity
to
speak
to
communities,
action
groups,
businesses,
developers,
scientists
and
lots
of
other
stakeholders
to
understand
what
the
climate
emergency
means
to
them
and
understand
how
they
feel
the
planning
system
in
leads
can
be
molded
to
help
address
it.
J
The
format
of
the
consultation
documents
is
designed
to
help
with
this.
There
are
five
thematic
papers
which
set
out
the
background
to
their
topics,
existing
policies
and
how
they're
performing
and
ideas
and
options
for
what
new
policies
could
look
like
these
ideas
and
options
are
not
intended
to
be
exhaustive,
and
this
is
followed
by
consultation,
questions
which
aim
to
capture
views
on
individual
topics.
J
J
The
the
breadth
of
the
topics
covered
can
be
seen
on
this
slide
here.
I
won't
read
them
out,
but
as
we
go
through
we'll
see
that
these
are
all
covered
within
the
individual
topic
paper.
So
we
have
the
five
topic
papers
on
the
left
hand,
side,
carbon
reduction,
flood
risk,
green
infrastructure,
place
placemaking
and
sustainable
infrastructure.
J
So
topic,
one
is
about
carbon
reduction,
and
this
deals
with
a
range
of
issues
related
to
the
production
of
carbon
usage
in
buildings,
the
generation
of
low
carbon
forms
of
energy
and
energy
storage.
Whilst
our
existing
policies
have
been
a
huge
step
in
the
right
direction,
they
don't
take
us
far
enough
to
be
net
zero
by
2030
through
the
consultation
material,
we're
keen
to
explore
views
and
how
we
can
reduce
emissions.
There
are
many
aspects
to
this.
J
The
first
is
a
concept
known
as
whole
life.
Carbon
costs,
sustainable
construction
goes
beyond
the
emissions
of
a
building
when
in
use
and
instead
can
be
considered
holistically
to
reflect
the
whole
life,
sustainability
of
a
building
from
construction
use
and
even
demolition
and
recycling
of
the
building
materials.
J
The
benefit
of
such
approach
is
obvious
in
carbon
emission
terms,
but
it
may
also
be
beneficial
that
it
allows
developers
to
find
their
own
way
to
zero
carbon
rather
than
policies
prescribing
how
exactly
that
should
happen.
This
would
allow
for
flexible
responses
from
applicants,
but,
of
course,
the
consultation
material
also
asks
questions
about
whether
this
is
achievable
and
viable.
J
Renewable
energy
is
also
a
key
key
factor.
Should
we
be
setting
targets
for
the
generation
of
new
renewable
energy?
We've
already
exceeded
our
existing
targets
set
out
within
the
existing
local
plan.
Should
we
be
identifying
land
for
its
delivery,
or
should
we
simply
be
updating
our
policies
to
be
clear
on
what
is
acceptable
and
where
these
again,
questions
are
raised
in
the
consultation
material?
J
Finally,
I'd
just
like
to
talk
on
energy
storage,
which
relates
to
this
storage
of
excess
energy
generally
created
by
renewable
energy,
which
is
an
important
part
of
the
infrastructure,
as
expressed
in
the
report.
There
are
currently
no
existing
policies
within
a
local
plan
on
energy
storage
and
therefore
one
is
proposed.
Sorry,
therefore,
one
proposed
option
is
for
storage
to
be
identified
in
locations
usually
typified
as
industrial
areas
with
good
connections
to
the
electricity
grid.
J
Moving
on
to
flood
risk,
the
uk's
winters
have
got
12
wetter
over
the
last
60
years
and
it's
predicted
that
rainfall
is
likely
to
increase
by
further
20
by
2070.,
of
course,
communities
and
leads.
I've
seen
the
effects
of
flooding
with
their
own
eyes
and
don't
need
statistics
to
see
that
the
stats
that
I
quoted
there
are
obviously
national
statistics.
J
It's
important
that
we
ensure
that
the
council's
policies
are
informed
by
the
most
up-to-date
local
evidence.
As
such,
the
lead
strategic
flood
risk
assessment
is
currently
being
updated,
and
this
will
give
us
key
data
on
floodless
throughout
the
district.
J
It
also
considers
the
issue
of
functional
floodplain
and
whether
those
areas
should
be
expanded
to
prevent
urban
expansion
on
areas
not
having
protection
from
flood
defenses.
Although
clearly
the
council
has
invested
heavily
with
with
partners
on
flood
defenses,
flooding
has
a
negative
impact
on
the
lives
of
everyone
affected
by
it.
Given
the
forecasted
increase
in
ray4,
we
want
to
consider
what
we
can
do
to
make
sure
that
new
development
is
resilient.
J
There's
been
a
rise
in
purpose-built
accommodation
for
people
who
are
especially
vulnerable,
such
as
the
elderly
and
disabled.
These
people
may
be
less
able
to
cope
with
the
impacts
of
flooding
and
the
effects
can
be
devastating
for
them.
Through
the
local
plan
update,
we
wish
to
explore
where
the
local
plan
could
provide
a
clearer
steer
and
how
developments
can
be
made
resilient
for
all
users,
taking
into
account
climate
change.
J
The
final
policy
area
for
the
flood
risk
paper
relates
to
the
permitted
development
rights
that
allow
the
paving
over
of
front
gardens.
This
is
a
challenging
area.
Clearly,
as
the
loss
of
front
gardens
does
not
require
planning
permission
and
recent
changes
to
article
4
directions
would
suggest
that
removing
a
permitted
rights
here
would
be
unfeasible
as
such.
It
may
be
that
the
best
course
of
action
may
come
in
the
form
of
guidance
for
households
to
inform
them
of
the
benefits
of
natural
spaces
with
porous
materials,
no
matter
how
small
they
may
be.
J
J
The
green
infrastructure
plays
a
crucial
role
in
addressing
the
climate
emergency,
as
well
as
improving
the
health
and
well-being
of
our
citizens
and
the
vitality
of
sorry
biodiversity
through
the
green
infrastructure
top
of
paper.
We're
keen
we're
trying
to
introduce
two
key
concepts.
First,
that's
of
natural
capital,
which
is
the
way
of
thinking
about
the
natural
environment
as
an
asset
and,
secondly,
ecosystem
services,
which
concerns
the
benefits
and
interactions
between
nature
to
people
and
the
wider
environment.
J
We're
therefore
keen
to
set
up
the
importance
of
gi
in
delivering
sustainable
development
in
leeds
maximize
its
positive
impacts
on
the
climate
and
place
a
value
on
gi's
management
creation
and
loss
within
the
context
of
the
new
environment
bill.
It's
important
that
we
clarify
and
strengthen
our
policies
to
enable
us
to
create
new
gi
to
better
identify,
protect,
improve
and
extend
existing
gi.
J
In
addition
to
these
policy
aims,
the
gi
paper
also
sets
out
the
crucial
role
of
trees
in
carbon
sequestration,
flood
risk,
biodiversity
and
well-being
in
line
with
the
white
rose
forest
partnership
strategy,
whilst
the
removal
of
trees
may
not
require
planning
permission
in
most
cases,
the
local
plan
already
has
a
well-used
policy
on
tree
replacement
as
part
of
the
development
schemes.
However,
data
would
suggest
that,
in
terms
of
replacing
the
carbon
sequestration
value
of
trees,
this
three
for
one
replacement
policy
does
not
go
far
enough.
J
Whilst
the
council
is
heavily
investing
in
the
delivery
of
new
spaces
in
the
city
centre,
it
is
recognized
that
current
policy
requires
the
delivery
of
less
green
space
in
the
city
centre
than
in
other
parts
of
the
district.
We're
therefore
asking
the
question
of
whether
this
should
be
increased
and
how
the
paper
also
considers
the
topic
of
nature
conservation
and
biodiversity.
J
The
environment
bill
will
require
a
10
biodiversity
net
gain
on
sites,
but
the
question
remains
whether
leads
wishes
to
go
further
than
this.
J
Finally,
for
this
topic
paper,
we
seek
to
raise
the
issue
of
local
food
production.
It's
a
topic.
That's
not
typically
covered
in
local
plans,
but
it
is
an
issue:
that's
gaining
more
and
more
prominence
through
the
paperwork,
exploring
what
can
be
done
to
support
the
provision
of
local
community
food,
growing
opportunities
and
spaces
as
part
of
new
developments
at
a
more
strategic
level.
Policies
could
look
at
the
support
for
commercial
agritech
businesses
through
the
provision
of
vertical
farms.
J
It
includes
well
policy
area
of
hs2,
it's
important
to
stress
that
the
local
plan
will
not
be
able
to
influence
whether
hs2
occurs
or
not
or
its
roots.
However,
there
are
key
opportunities
to
ensure
that
hs2
is
well
integrated
with
the
city,
and
new
policy
can
help
with
that,
particularly
with
regard
to
permeability,
the
creation
of
new
spaces
and
the
allocation
and
design
of
new
development
opportunities
caused
by
the
scheme.
J
J
New
policy
within
local
plan
update
will
not
influence
the
current
planning
application
process,
but
it's
important
to
consider
how
planning
policy
can
shape
the
future
development
of
the
airport
and
its
service
access
and,
finally,
digital
connectivity
in
our
digital
age
infrastructure
is
increasingly
more
than
planes,
trains
and
automobiles
to
meet
the
needs
of
our
modern
lives.
It's
crucial
that
new
development
is
designed
with
good
digital
connectivity
from
the
outset.
This
will
hopefully
help
to
reduce
the
need
for
later
retrofitting
and
reduce
digital
poverty.
J
So
that's
all
the
topic
papers,
so
I
just
wanted
to
set
out
very
very
very
briefly
next
steps,
which
was
to
clearly
following
this
meeting
to
finalize
the
consultation
material,
then
dovetailing
with
that
to
finalize
an
engagement
strategy
to
help
us
go
out
to
consultation.
J
We've
obviously
got
executive
board
on
the
23rd
of
june
as
well
to
approve
that
consultation
and
then,
hopefully,
all
being
well
and
all
those
approvals
being
given
public
consultation
would
begin
in
july
2021.
J
So
that's
the
end
of
the
presentation
obviously
have
to
take
any
questions
or
comments.
Thank
you.
A
And
thanks
adam
no
obviously,
colleagues,
that
was
a
switching
microphone
and
then
they
were
focused
on
me.
So
obviously
that's
a
lot
of
information.
That's
five,
really
big
topic
areas.
We
would
have
without
the
code
restrictions
we
could
have
had
the
the
officers
responsible
for
the
sections
to
come
in
and
give
individual
presentations
I'd
just
like
to
to
thank
them
for
all
the
work
and
from
adam
and
martin
and
david
and
the
team
have
been
doing
a
nicole.
That's
quite
a
lot
gone
into
this
two
dpp
veterans.
A
A
lot
of
this
is
very
familiar
as
we've
been
working
on
this
for
newer
members.
I
it's
a
bit
of
an
info
dump.
I
appreciate,
but
I'm
hoping
that
you've
read
it
in
detail,
there's
a
lot
of
good
work
in
here
and
that
I'm
really
keen-
and
I
hope
everyone
is
to
to
get
out
to
public
consultation,
because
I
have
a
suspicion
that
the
people
of
leeds
will
have
quite
a
lot
to
say
about
these
topic
areas.
I
think
they
might
be
quite
engaging
and
they
really
really
should
be,
and
I'm
to
be
honest.
A
I
I
honestly
can't
wait
to
see
what
people
have
to
say
and
what
further,
what
further
information
and
and
ideas
and
suggestions
we
can
get
from
the
ideas
factory
that
is
leads.
So
on
that
note,
I
want
to
open
it
up
to
members.
I've
already
had
council.
Allow
me
indicate
someone
to
speak,
and
then
council,
collins
and
anderson,
so
we'll
we'll
go
in
that
order.
Alan
over
to
you.
E
Yeah
thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
for
the
the
presentation.
As
you
say,
it
has
a
lot
of
good
stuff
in
it.
There's
quite
a
number
of
comments.
I'd
like
to
make
I'm
going
to
focus
on
two
in
particular,
and
then,
if
other
colleagues
don't
pick
pick
up
I'll
come
back
at
the
end,
but
I
don't
hog
the
meeting
and
I'm
conscious
with
on
the
time
pressure.
So
the
two
key
things
and
again
stressing
there's
a
lot
of
good
things
in,
but
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
I
feel
are
missing.
E
I
did
give
mr
feeny
and
elliot
to
tip
off
yesterday,
so
this
won't
come
as
a
surprise
to
them,
and
so
the
first
one
is
around
my
personal
view.
All
it's
not
the
only
way
you
could
do
it.
I
feel
there
should
be
a
sixth
topic
area
which
would
be
around
blue
infrastructure,
and
I
think
it's
something
that's
missing
for
some
members
will
be
aware
from
counter
anderson's
scrutiny,
board
of
issues
around
water
quality
and
problems
of
raw
sewage
and
litter
going
into
our
river
network.
E
And
if
you
talk
to
any
planner
at
any
development
about
it,
they'll
say
not
my
problem,
because
we
just
will
power
money
build
out
there.
It
will
go
to
yorkshire
water
for
as
long
as
they
see
it
as
not
their
problem.
They
won't
see
it
as
part
of
the
solution.
So
I
would
like
to
see
ideally
from
my
perspective,
a
sixth
topic
area,
although
you
could
incorporate
this
into
strengthening
the
flood
risk
section.
There
are
three
key
things
and
think
need
to
be
focused
on.
E
One
is
how
we
deal
with
sewage
and
human
waste
going
forward.
What
technologies
are
available,
what
can
be
done
through
the
planning
process
to
try
and
alleviate
the
problem?
Government
has
recognized
as
a
problem
and
is
taking
legislation
forward,
but
every
new
dwelling
that's
built
is
adding
to
the
problem,
and
so
we
need
to
try
and
do
something
to
to
reduce
the
pressure
on
the
system.
E
The
second
thing,
perhaps
trickier,
but
the
other
big
issue
is
the
amount
of
litter
which
find
its
way
into
into
the
the
river
network
and
how
we
try
and
take
action
to
address
that
and
the
final
thing
again
very
tricky
to
deal
with
through
the
planning
process.
But
it's
a
rural
water
runoff.
It
is
addressed
as
part
of
flood
risk,
but
the
amount
of
aggregates
pesticides
things
like
that
that
are
being
washed
off
into
the
river
is
causing
a
real
problem
with
the
ecosystem.
E
E
The
one
this
point
I
had
with
the
paper
was
the
lack
of
reference
to
child-friendly
leads
and
how
we
should
be
using
the
planning
system
and
the
local
plan
to
make
sure
that
we're
a
child-friendly
city.
If
the
planning
process
is
child-friendly
and
developments
are
child-friendly,
that
is
to
the
to
the
betterment
of
everybody
and
the
whole
city,
and
it
shows
that
you've
got
a
future-proofed
plan,
so
they're
the.
E
I
think
that,
rather
than
a
topic
area,
that
is
just
strengthening
the
language
making
sure
it
comes
through
as
a
theme
and
that
people
are
thinking
about
all
of
the
areas
in
that
context,
but
they
would
be
the
two
principal
points
I
might
come
back
with
some
of
those
if
others
don't
raise
them.
Thank
you.
A
A
However,
let's
let's
explore
them
properly,
particularly,
I
think
we've
all
been
made
very
much
away
in
the
last
couple
years
about
refuse
ending
up
in
the
water
system
and
up
in
the
river
systems.
So,
let's
we
can.
We
can
investigate
that.
Looking
officers,
yep
good,
excellent,
okay,
child
friendly
yeah
yeah,
there's
an
awful
lot
of
design
and
pedestrian
and
cycling
safety
within
the
within
the
working
that
in
the
documents,
but
we
can
bring
that
to
the
floor
in
terms
of
putting
a
child
friendly
stamp
on
it,
yeah.
A
J
It
was
just
on
on
the
sort
of
child
friendly
elements
of
the
consultation.
I
think
we're
acutely
aware
that
we've
not
been
particularly
successful
at
getting
comments
and
engagement
from
young
people
in
previous
planning
consultations,
we're
working
with
students
who
are
undergraduate
students
at
the
university
of
leeds
who
who
are
working
at
someone
get
part
of
an
engagement
strategy.
J
Now
it's
not
specifically
for
the
local
plan
update,
but
it's
to
boost
our
ability
to
engage
with
young
people
in
general,
so
we're
hoping
to
use
some
of
that
learning
that
they're
going
to
give
us
in
june
early
june,
hopefully
to
help
us
really
strengthen
the
offer
and
talk
to
young
people
in
a
way
that
really
grabs
their
attention,
because
I
think
a
huge
amount
of
this
agenda
is
obviously
clearly
relevant
to
them,
probably
more
than
anyone
else
so
yeah.
The
the
other
aspect
was
just
to
say.
J
J
J
There's
there's
elements
to
this
that
it's
difficult
for
the
planning
system
to
regulate
particularly
aspects
like
rural
runoff
if
it
hasn't
required,
planning
cons,
planning
permission
in
the
first
place
and
that's
true
of
lots
of
other
things
that
don't
require
planning
permission,
but
certainly
happy
to
look
through
and
strengthen
references
where
they're
relevant
and
also
tie
back
to
existing
policies
where
they
are,
such
as
in
the
natural
resources
and
waste
policies
which
already
include
policies
on
water
quality.
Yeah
comments.
One
may
thank
you.
A
Thanks
for
adam
okay,
council
collins.
F
Thank
you
chair.
I
think
a
lot
of
these
topics
that
we're
discussing
today
have
come
about,
because
we've
had
some
very
successful
working
group
meetings
and
at
a
lot
of
those
working
group
meetings.
F
We
talk
about
policy
and
why
you
know
we
haven't
brought
forward
policies
and
strengthened
policies
that
we
already
have
so
so
I
welcome
this
sort
of
work
and
consultation,
but
I'm
throwing
it
back
to
officers
as
to
how
strong
are
our
policies
going
to
be,
and
how
long
is
it
going
to
be
before
we've
got
these
strong
policies
because
discussions
we've
had
in
the
past,
it's
always
been.
Oh
well,
they've
got
to
be
evidence-based.
F
Counsellor
we've
got
to
prove
that
it's
a
necessary
policy,
it's
great
having
a
talking
shop
and
talking
to
the
public
about
what
they
would
like.
But
how
are
we
actually
going
to
make
some
really
strong
policies
that
aren't
just
mimics
of
what
the
government
policies
are
that
we
can
actually
tie
developers
to
what's
changed
today
from
all
of
the
meetings
we've
had
in
the
working
groups?
What
what
approach
are
we
going
to
have
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
some
strong
policies?
Not
just
some
nice
recommendations.
A
Well,
council,
we're
we're
in
the
grip
of
a
series
of
statutory
processes
that
we've
discussed
many
times
are
being
somewhat
clunky
and
time-consuming,
but
we
are
in
that
in
that
process.
What
we
will
have
at
the
end
of
it
is
a
really
strong
set
of
price,
a
really
strong
set
of
policies
pretty
much
along
the
lines
of
what
we've
discussed
enhanced
by
what
people
of
leeds
have
to
say
and
contribute
to
so.
F
J
Evidence
is
obviously
a
crucial
part
of
the
the
plan
making
process,
but
we
wouldn't
be
undertaking
this
if
we
didn't
believe
that
we
can
pull
that
evidence
together
to
demonstrate
that
we
can
make
much
more
strength
and
policies,
but
evidence
has
to
be
part
of
that
process,
because
if
it's
not,
then
you
get
the
situation
you
describe
where
we
get
positively
worded
policies
that
when
they
actually
meet
reality,
they're
quite
easy
to
avoid.
J
What
we
need
to
be
able
to
demonstrate
is
that
these
are
ambitious
enough,
but
also
deliverable
enough
that
they're,
actually
realistic
and
we'll
need
evidence
to
do
that.
We've
started
that
process
of
commissioning
evidence.
It's
too
early
to
say
what
the
outcomes
are.
Yet
what
I'm
hoping
for-
and
I
know
the
team
are
hoping
for
too-
is
that
a
lot
of
new
ideas
will
come
out
of
the
consultation.
A
lot
of
evidence
from
developers
may
suggest
that
they're
already
doing
a
lot
of
these
things.
J
These
technologies
already
exist
they're
already
viable,
and
we
can
use
that
evidence
to
show
that.
Actually,
if
it
can
be
done
here,
then
it
can
be
done
there
as
well.
So
it
isn't
just
about
necessarily
local
people's
views
as
as
crucial
and
important
as
they
are,
but
it's
actually
practitioners,
views
and
scientist
views.
Hopefully,
they'll
come
out
from
this
consultation
to
actually
point
us
in
the
right
directions
for
how
we
better
commissions
from
future
evidence.
J
In
terms
of
the
time
scales
as
councillor
wallsaw
says,
we've
got
regulation
consultation
here,
which
we're
not
proposing
detailed
policies
for
quite
deliberately
but
we're
hoping
towards
the
end
of
this
year,
we'll
be
able
to
use
the
consultation,
material
and
new
evidence
to
pull
together
to
have
much
stronger
draft
policies
which
can
then
go
out
to
consultation.
Perhaps
either
later
this
year
or
more
accurately,
employ
more
likely
towards
the
end
of
sorry
towards
the
beginning
of
next
year.
J
But
it
is
a
process
that
will
take
time.
But
but
we
are,
you
know
really
confident
that
we
can
improve
our
existing
suite
of
policies
to
strengthen
them
and
make
them
a
lot
more.
Climate
friendly
yeah.
B
B
Can
you
briefly
how
you're
going
to
launch
this,
because,
hopefully,
by
that
time,
we
are
in
a
freer
way
of
being
able
to
meet
when
this
is
launched
and
also
the
methods
you're
going
the
different
methods
and
the
different
channels,
you're
planning
to
use
what
sort
of
materials
are
going
to
be
available?
For
example,
someone
like
me
who
does
genuinely
want
to
get
contributions
for
this
I'd
be
quite
happy.
B
If
someone
gave
me
a
set
of
slides
like
they
did
during
the
site
allocations
plan,
where
I
can
go
to
my
community
groups
and
explain
what
the
position
is
you
using
council
slides,
not
my
own
personal,
take
on
on
them
right,
so
that
I'm
putting
forward
a
council
message
here,
because
I
think
it's
vitally
important.
We
get
as
many
people
as
possible
responding
whether
we
like
the
responses
is
not
the
point.
I
think
we
need
to
engage
with
people,
because
that
will
have
two
benefits
one.
B
It
will
help
inform
our
decision,
but
secondly,
it
will
show
if
we
go
down
the
route
of
some
of
the
planning
reforms
where
we
need
to
engage
and
keep
contact
with
residents
out
there.
So
it
will
show
a
degree
of
that
and
also
how
we're
going
to
consult
with
neighborhood
plan
groups,
forums,
groups,
parishing
town
councils,
residence
groups-
if
they
are
so
interested
in
these
types
of
things
and
that's
the
first
part
and
then
the
second
one
is
in
respect
of
page
52
of
our
papers.
It
talks
about
that.
B
We
don't
appear
to
have
a
clear
plan
at
the
moment
for
disposing
of
waste
on
site
the
waste
arisings
in
terms
of
the
best
way
of
dealing
with
black
been
green
bin
and
brown
bin
materials
that
have
been
generated.
There
are
some
innovative
schemes
out
there
and
it's
whether
or
not
an
act.
So
what
the
question
really
is
the
waste
plan,
the
natural
resources
and
waste
plan
when's
that
due
to
be
revisited
again,
because
if
I
remember
correctly,
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
first
plans
we
actually
issued
into
the
public
domain.
J
Questions
in
terms
of
the
programs,
the
last
one.
First,
if
you
don't
mind
in
terms
of
the
waste
plan,
we're
we're
updating
policies
at
the
moment
on
a
thematic
basis,
so
elements
of
the
natural
resources
and
waste
plan
are
being
updated
through
this
local
plan
update
on
the
climate
emergency,
but
there
are
clearly
other
aspects
of
the
waste
plan
that
aren't
covered
by
this
material
as
you've,
obviously
recognized
that
needs
to
be
done
it
won't.
It
can't
wait
until
the
end
of
the
local
plan
update
process.
J
It
needs
to
essentially
be
a
part
two
of
this
local
plan
update
process,
so
we
haven't
started
scoping
that
out
quite
yet,
but
we're
going
to
need
to
do
that
fairly
soon.
Obviously,
there
are
other
aspects
of
things
like
kind
of
bin
kind
of
disposals
and
how
that's
used
some
of
that
can
be
down
to
residential
design
guides
and
things
like
that,
and
obviously,
we've
got
fairly
up-to-date
spd's
on
that,
but
I
I
know
they're
obviously
being
revisited
at
the
moment.
J
In
terms
of
the
first
point
clearly
about
the
consultation
I
mean,
we
will
be
very
very
pleased
for
councillors
to
take
out
material
to
to
discuss
with
their
with
their
residents
and
anyone
else
they'd
like
to
discuss.
So
we
wonder
whether
a
best
way
of
doing
that
is
a
kind
of
a
resource
pack
that
we
can
share
with
councillors
that
they
can
take
out
which,
as
you
suggest,
includes
a
perhaps
a
simplified
set
of
similar
slides
with
some
speaking
notes.
J
If
that's
helpful,
we're
working
on
an
engagement
strategy
as
we
speak
and
I'm
hoping
to
get
a
draft
to
go
through
on
friday,
and
that
will
include
how
we
engage
with
with
different
groups
just
clearly
how
we
might
engage
with
lee's
university
might
be
very
different
with
how
we
engage
with
a
neighbour
planning
forum,
and
we
need
to.
We
need
to
recognize
that
difference
to
get
the
best
out
of
that
consultation.
J
So
we're
also
working
with
our
web
team
about
our
web
presence
as
well.
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
were
involved
in
the
connecting
leads
consultations,
which
was
quite
a
strong
web
presence
which
had
used
a
lot
of
kind
of
web
webcasts
and
we're
hoping
to
to
make
good
use
of
that.
That
too,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
people
seem
we're
engaged
in
on
that
and
who
weren't
previously
engaged
and
we're
keen
to
make
sure
that
people
who
don't
usually
get
involved
in
this
process
have
that
opportunity
as
well.
B
During
the
sat
process,
I
was
one
of
the
critics
of
the
department
because
you
didn't
get
out
to
a
whole
raft
of
communities
and
you
might
hold
a
meeting
in
one
location
and
you
were
expecting
about
four
or
five
wards
worth
to
come
to
that
particular
location
and
it's
very
difficult
and
it's
the
hard
to
reach
groups.
They
actually
have
something
very
important
to
say
on
this,
particularly
it
comes
to
the
climate
change
things.
B
We've
got
to
take
the
whole
of
the
population
with
us,
not
just
those
that
want
to
engage
it's
those
that
don't
want
to
engage
us
now
or
feel
that
whenever
they
say
something
we
ignore
them.
So
I
think
that's
where
I'm
coming
from,
and
I
I'm
happy
with
what
you've
said,
but
I
do
think
it's
incumbent
upon
us
all
to
do
everything
we
can
to
get
as
much
out
there
as
we
possibly
can.
A
C
Thank
you,
and
it's
actually
on
this
point
as
well,
about
reaching
as
many
people
as
possible
and
going
back
to
council
lamb's
point
about
young
people.
Apologies
if
you
have
considered
this,
but
we
have
a
fantastic,
have
a
voice
counsel
within
the
count
within
you
know,
and
they
will
have
a
lot
to
say
on
on
these
issues-
and
I
mean
it's
great
using
the
university
of
leeds
but
potentially
they're,
not
they
haven't
come
from
leeds.
I
haven't
grown
up
in
leeds
and
potentially
won't
stay
in
leeds.
C
So
I
would
love
to
see
our
own
young
citizens
being
used
and
yes
and
they're
one
of
those
hard-to-reach
groups
that
traditionally
planners
might
not
have
spoken
to
in
the
past,
so
yeah.
Thank
you.
A
Nope
really
good
idea.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that,
mr
mr
elliott,
and
then
colin.
Then,
council
brooks.
H
Yeah,
thank
you
just
to
make
the
point
that
we're
also
working
really
closely
with
the
leeds
climate
commission
and
I'm
landing
these
these
policies
and
these
ideas
with
them,
and
I
think
it's
important
just
in
terms
of
councillor
collins
point
about
where
do
the
teeth
come
in
this
and
members
will
recall
that,
in
order
to
get
to
net
zero
by
2030,
the
climate
commission
have
already
identified
that
there
are
some
cost
neutral
and
cost-effective
measures
that
can
be
taken
to
get
us
50
percent
of
the
way
there
and
and
those
require
better
building
and
getting
out
of
the
cars
and
swapping
petrol
for
feet
and
and
cycling.
H
Now
that
doesn't
just
require
planning
to
create
policies
in
order
to
encourage
places
to
to
facilitate
that.
It
also
encourages
people
to
change
their
behavior
to
do
that,
because
this
isn't
just
our
plan
within
planning.
This
is
the
city's
plan,
so
I
think
it's
going
to
be
really
important
through
that
consultation
to
to
to
really
get
an
understanding
of
do
people
want
this.
A
Yeah,
thanks
to
my
mine,
yep
castle
campbell.
D
Thank
you,
chad.
I
was
just
pondering
on
on
that
point
about
engagement
and
it
I
I
slightly
worry
that
we
we
pick
on
certain
groups
of
people
to
engage
with
whoever
they
may
be,
but
barry
does
have
a
very
valid
point
that
in
well.
Let's
be
honest.
The
areas
we
represent
there
are
a
lot
of.
D
There
are
lots
of
organizations,
all
of
which
can
be
very
vocal,
which
have
valid
points,
and
I
think
it's
about
when
we
come
to
the
strategy
about
consultation,
having
a
very
clear
view
about
how
we
make
sure
that
the
maximum
number
of
people
can
be
involved
in
this,
because
occasionally
I'd
have
to
say,
I
found
it
with
the
airport.
D
If
I'm
honest
with
you,
a
number
of
people
felt
that
there
was
a
significant
lobby
who
were
not
too
happy
about
the
airport
who
would
dominate
in
the
discussion
now,
whatever
your
personal
views
are,
or
whatever
the
views
were,
they
felt
they
were
excluded
from
from
that
debate,
and
I
think
if,
if
you
feel
excluded
from
a
debate,
you
feel
to
yourself
actually
I'm
not
part
of
this,
and
it
picks
up
from
on
something
that
alan
said,
which
is
there
are
really
lots,
lots
and
lots
of
things
we
could
put
into
this.
D
D
Can
I
just
raise
a
couple
of
points
on
things
that
are
in
here,
and
it's
really
a
question
comment
really
the
bit
about
biodiversity,
gain
which
I
think
we're
all
in
principle
support.
D
But
one
of
the
things
that
I
was
pondering
on
looking
at
an
application
from
last
year
was:
what
do
you
do
about
areas
where
there
actually
is?
Quite
a
significant
there
is
quite
significant
biodiversity,
which
are
then
developed.
D
We,
I
think
we
have
to
grasp
a
nettle
here
and
that
is
to
say
that
to
fund
a
an
integrated
transport
system
for
the
city,
we
need
a
source
of
funding
which
is
over
and
above
going
to
the
government
with
a
begging
poll
and
therefore
I
just
wonder
whether
we
ought
to
start
thinking
about
a
transport
levy
on
development.
D
D
A
Council
campbell,
I
I
think
the
the
bradford
airport
responses
might
be
quite
the
one
of
the
largest
sections
of
responses.
I
think
it
might.
It
might
cause
some
comment,
I
believe,
and
the
youtube
of
the
the
initial
plans
panel
hearing
has
now
had
6
000
views,
which
is
it's
quite
I
think,
is
a
record
I
think
nationally,
perhaps
anyway,
in
any
case
yeah.
I
know
the
points
well
made.
I
think,
in
terms
of
funding.
I
think
yes,
that's
going
to
be
a
perennial
problem.
A
We
now
have
a
metro
mayor,
and
I
would
imagine
that
this
is
occupying
quite
a
lot.
The
the
transport
time
of
of
tracy
braven
and
her
team,
reliable,
secure,
affordable
funding
is
going
to
be
a
key,
a
key
problem
with
all
of
this.
So
yes,
I
totally
agree
with
that.
In
terms
of
the
levy,
I
think
yeah
we
put
that
into
the
mix
as
part
of
the
responses
as
well
yeah.
A
In
that
case,
thank
you
for
that.
I'm
going
to
council
brooks.
Oh,
do
you
want
to
come
back
adam,
oh
yeah,
please.
H
Yeah,
thank
you
just
going
to
come
back
on
the
biodiversity
point,
councillor
campbell's.
So
the
the
approach
is
no
matter
what
the
baseline
biodiversity
of
the
site
is
be
that
very
poor
biodiversity
or
very
good
biodiversity.
There's
an
expectation
that
there'll
be
an
increase
in
that.
So
if,
if
sites
could
be
developed
with
rich
biodiversity,
but
the
developer
would
have
to
show
that
there
was
a
net
gain
through
that
development.
H
Now,
if
that
wasn't
achievable
on
site,
that
could
be
achievable
off-site,
but
it
would
it
but
but
it
would
have
to
be
a
comparative
to
what
the
baseline
biodiversity
was
at
the
start.
Does
that
answer
your
question.
D
I'll
I'll
come
I'll
come
back
yeah.
I
understand
that
the
the
the
rationale
on
that
one,
but
by
by
def
definition,
once
you
develop
a
site,
you
lose
the
biodiversity
on
it.
If
you
put
a
building
on
even
if
it's
only
on
part
of
a
site,
you've
lost
that
biodiversity
and
and
the
thing
that
always
concerns
me
slightly
about
the
talk
you
officers
have
about
offsite
is:
is
developers
ability
to
buy
out
of
their
responsibility?
D
So
we
do.
We
we
see
on
all
of
these
areas.
Don't
we
green
space,
affordable,
housing,
everything
now
biodiversity,
I
think.
Well,
you
could
say:
affordable
housing
is,
but
it
it
is
vital
that
we
maintain
this
biodiversity
and
we
don't,
and
so
it
seems
to
me
that
we
we
have
to
have
a
a
robust
mechanism,
for,
as
you
say,
calculating
what
the
score
is
on
the
original
side,
calculating
the
loss
and
then
saying
that's
got
to
be
replaced
somewhere
else,
and
you
have
to.
D
I
suppose
you
have
to
evidence
how
you're
going
to
do
that
not
simply
say
well,
we'll
slip.
The
council
hundred
thousand
pounds
and
parks
can
spend
it
on
whatever
they're.
Like
sorry
sure.
H
Thanks
joe
yeah,
I
I
I
think
it's
absolutely
central,
I
think,
to
to
how
we
actually
get
these
policies
to
work,
and
I
think
part
of
that
is,
as
adam
mentioned,
the
the
approach
to
natural
capital
and
ecosystem
services.
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
get
better
and
get
more
used
to
counting
the
environment
as
well
as
counting
carbon
and
and
using
those
that
intelligence
to
support
policy
making
and
decision
taking,
because
the
government
within
the
nppf
seeks
what
it
terms
net
gains
across
the
economy,
society
and
an
environment.
H
You
only
know
whether
you've
achieved
that
net
gain.
If,
if
you
can,
if
you
can
quantify
what
what
the
environmental
aspect
of
that
is
and
that's
what
defra
are
producing
through
the
environment
bill,
so
it's
going
to
be
really
important
for
the
the
work.
That's
gone
into
the
environment
bill
to
be
captured
through
this
local
plan.
C
Thank
you
chair,
so
this
is.
This
is
obviously
like
the
first
opportunity
that
I've
had
to
to
feed
into
this
like
officially.
So
what
I'm
concerned
about
is
the
lack
of
affordable
housing
being
inbuilt
into
this
into
these
discussions
and
into
these
these
topic
areas,
especially
when
you
consider
the
the
the
20-minute
neighborhoods,
if
the
only
people
that
can
afford
to
live
in
those
20-minute
neighborhoods
are
on
very
high
incomes.
C
What
what
does
that
say
about
labour
as
a
city-
and
I
think
I
think
as
well-
it's
it
pulls.
C
It
pulls
a
sort
of
direct
conflict
between
the
inclusive
growth
strategy
and
and
planning
policy,
because
you're
supposed
to
have
by
an
inclusive
city,
but
then
you're
filling
it
full
of
areas
that
no
one
can
afford
to
live
in
who
live
locally
on
lower
incomes,
our
cleaners,
our
shop
workers,
who
will
all
be
working
in
areas
that
they
need
to
walk
to.
So
I
don't
understand
how
you
how
you
square
that
circle.
I
don't
know
if
you've
had
any
discussions
about
this
previously.
A
Yeah
I
mean
affordable,
housing's
covered
quite
a
lot
of
our
time,
and
it
is
it's
one
of
our
biggest
issues,
particularly
I've
say
this
for
the
seventh
or
eighteenth
time
in
this
panel,
as
we
really
hamstrung
by
government
definitions
of
affordable
housing
which,
by
their
own
metrics
that
are
not
really
affordable.
I
want
to
bring
mr
elliott
in
who's
indicated.
Yeah.
H
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
councillor
brooks
for
raising
that,
because
it
is
a
really
important
point
of
clarity
to
clarify
for
new
members
of
this
meeting
and
also
when
we
go
out
to
consultation,
that
this
is
a
partial
local
plan
update.
So
it's
only
selective
in
its
scope.
H
Now
it's
it's
selective,
having
been
through
an
assessment
of
our
all
the
200,
odd
policies
within
the
development
plan
for
leeds
as
a
whole
up
to
date,
and
that
happened
last
year,
where
it
was
considered
that
it
really
was
the
climate
emergency
policies
and
the
place-making
policies,
as
well
as
those
of
the
natural
resources
and
waste
plan
that
were
in
need
of
update
because
they'd
been
adopted
in
2013..
H
Now,
that's
not
to
say
that
we've
got
that
that
that
absolutely
right
and
that
at
a
point
in
the
future,
we
need
to
look
again
at
those
affordable
housing
policies
and
see
if
they're,
meeting
the
needs
across
leeds
and
that
will
be
done.
But
a
decision
was
taken
by
development
plan
panel.
That,
in
order
for
us
to
deal
with
the
climate
emergency,
we
had
to
keep
the
policies
that
we
were
looking
at
fairly
contained
and
the
scope
of
this
plan
quite
contained.
H
So
things
like
employment,
land
needs
and
and
overall
housing
needs.
An
affordable
housing
policy
were
set
to
one
side
to
be
to
be
updated
at
a
future
point
in
time.
Does
that
help?
But,
but
I
think
I
think
the
policies
around
place
making
that
are
within
this
document
and
the
climate
emergency
relate
not
just
to
general
housing
but
to
affordable
housing
as
well.
C
Thanks
for
clarifying
that,
but
I
mean
if,
if
what
we're
going
to
be
doing,
is
looking
at
place
making
and
not
mentioning
affordable
housing
apart
from
on
page
119
on
a
graphic,
I
think
it
needs
mentioning
in
in
the
in
the
body
of
the
document,
rather
than
just
being
alluded
to
somewhere
over
here.
H
Chair
and
counselor
brooks.
We
can
certainly
clarify
how
these
policies
relate
to
the
existing
policies
that
we've
got
for
affordable
housing
in
the
city,
so
that
these
new
proposed
policy
areas
are
going
to
fit
with
the
existing
policies.
We've
got
for
seeking,
affordable
housing
through
new
developments.
A
I
hope
that
helps
council
brooks,
I
mean
one
of
our
one
of
our
goals,
for
all
of
this
process
is
to
be
able
to
demonstrate
to
developers
at
large
that
nothing
that
we're
asking
for,
or
we
want
to
ask
for
in
terms
of
zero
carbon
housing.
That
kind
of
thing
is
is
undeliverable
or
unsustainable
within
their
present
financial
models.
That's
a
serious
objective
we
have
adam.
Do
you
want
to
come
in
as
well?
Yeah.
J
It
was
just
to
say,
certainly
within
the
place
making
topic
paper,
we
can
certainly
kind
of
strengthen
references
to
make
sure
that
this
is
about
all
communities
and
not
just
as
you
know,
as
you
suggest,
the
benefits
being
felt
by
certain
affluent
areas
that
really
this
is
about.
You
know
looking
at
inner
cities
as
well
as
as
other
areas
as
well
and
making
sure
that
the
access
to
services
is
there,
where
possible,
or
what
role
the
planning
system
can
fulfill
in
that
and
what
other
roles
other
parties
may
have
to
fulfill
as
well.
A
Absolutely
good
excellent:
okay,
council,
green.
F
Thank
you
chet,
as
the
debates
moved
on.
A
number
of
the
points
that
I
was
going
to
raise
have
been
touched
on,
but
I
will
elaborate
and
I
do
feel
as
a
piece
of
consultation
we're
in
first
of
all,
I
should
say
I
welcome
all
the
papers.
I
think
they
really.
They
raise
the
right
issues
for
consultation
and
there's
a
lot
of
good
sense
in
there,
and
lots
of
the
questions
really
do
resonate.
F
However,
as
a
piece
of
consultation,
I
think
we're
in
danger
of
having
a
one-size-fits-all
audiences
approach.
We've
already
mentioned
a
number
of
different
audiences.
That
would
be
interested
for
different
reasons,
and
I
have
said
many
times
before
that
actually
the
language
of
planning
is
really
difficult
to
access.
F
So
coming
to
councillor
hayden's
point
about
young
people,
council
hayden,
if
I
had
a
pound
for
every
time
I
have
mentioned
involving
young
people,
both
in
this
forum
and
in
the
planning
forums
that
I've
sat
on
over
the
years.
I
would
be
a
very
rich
person,
but
we
don't
seem
to
be
any
nearer
engaging
young
people
in
our
debate.
F
It's
it's
absolutely
clear.
I
mean
we
approve
schools
and
we
don't
ask
one
young
person
about
them
at
all
before
we
approve
them.
It's
it's
a
definite
omission
and
one
that
I
would
really
encourage
you
and-
and
you
would
need,
in
my
view,
to
present
the
material
in
a
different
sort
of
way.
Young
people,
children,
even
depending
on
what
the
topic
is,
would
need
a
different
approach
and
we
haven't
grown
that
through
planning.
F
So
it
is
a
concern
and
I
think
equally,
there
are
statements
in
there
that
we,
we
couldn't
as
a
council
possibly
do
single-handedly
without
engaging
with
really
crucial
partners
and-
and
the
debate
with
each
of
those
partners
would
need
to
be
very
different.
So
there's
a
statement
in
the
papers
that
say:
should
we
or
a
question
should
we
develop
with
a
presumption
against
car
use
or
reduced
car
use,
and
the
answer
to
that
is:
we
won't
achieve
that
until
public
transport
is
improved.
F
So
it's
all
very
well
as
having
a
question
about,
should
we
presume
against
car
use
what
what
discussions
have
we
had
with
the
transport
providers
and
what
assurances
have
they
given
us
and
how
can
we
hook
them
in
because
it
will
not
budge
until
it
is
much
easier
for
me
to
get
on
public
transport
and
travel
from
where
I
live
to
my
ward.
It
just
won't
work
and
it's
a
very
good
feet
and
bikes
fine,
but
we
all
have
to
travel
further
than
that
on
occasions.
F
Don't
we
and
there's
there
is
also
a
phrase
in
the
report
that
says,
or
do
we
allow
developers
to
find
their
own
way
to
carbon
reduction?
F
Well,
in
my
view,
developers
will
never
find
their
own
way
to
carbon
reduction
unless
there
are
some
significant
hooks
out
there
to
hook
them
in
on,
and
I
think
the
the
the
journey
we
need
to
travel
with
developers.
The
debates
we
need
to
hold
with
developers
are
very,
very
significant,
so
I
think
just
putting
this
out
as
a
piece
of
consultation
blandly
to
all
audiences
won't
necessarily
get
the
results
that
we
need
and
I
think
we
need
to
develop
different
conversations
with
different
groups.
J
Thank
you,
council
grid.
We
completely
agree
and
we
we
are
sort
of
we
weren't
planning
on
necessarily
holding
sort
of
meetings
with
with
different
groups
and
presenting
this
material
as
it's
as
you
see
it
today,
we
need
to
tailor
that
absolutely
tailor
that
to
the
audiences
that
we're
talking
to
and
part
of
the
engagement
strategy,
we'll
we'll
deal
with
that.
It's
about
drawing
from
this
material,
I
think
and
pulling
out
the
themes
and
putting
it
in
language
that
people
from
different
areas
will
will
understand
or
different
backgrounds
are
going
to
understand.
J
So
absolutely
completely
agree.
We've
we've
tried
hard
to
make
this
material
a
lot
more
sort
of
plain
english
and
reader
friendly.
I
appreciate
there's
a
huge
amount
of
kind
of
new
technology.
Then
you
sort
of
there's
still
you
know
jargon
in
here
by
necessity.
Unfortunately,
but
I
think
in
our
discussions
with
with
other
groups,
we
we
will
obviously
do
our
best
to
make
sure
that
it's
tailored
to
to
a
level
that
they
can
best
engage
with.
J
So
we
completely
agree
with
that
in
terms
of
the
the
comments
about
developers
finding
their
own
way.
Part
of
that
was
rather
than
saying
you
will
use
this
technology,
this
technology
and
this
technology.
J
It
was
about
saying
you
will
you
know
if
we
were
to
have
a
policy
on
this,
it
could
say
you
will
reach
zero
carbon,
but
how
you
do
that
will
be
based
a
suite
of
technologies
that
developers
can
use
as
best
befits,
perhaps
their
site
or
their
expertise
or
their
development.
It
wasn't
necessarily
saying
that
they
have
a
choice
or
an
opt-in
or
opt-out
of
being
zero
carbon,
but
how
they
might
achieve
that
is.
It
is
probably
best
dealt
with
by
them
on
a
side-by-side
basis.
J
Perhaps
that's
the
question
for
the
consultation
rather
than
them
being
able
to
choose
in
or
out
of
it
in
terms
of
the
car
usage
points.
Absolutely
clearly,
planning
can't
do
this
alone
or
many
of
these
aspects
alone
and
part
of
this
and
those
references
were
obviously
a
reflection
of
the
council's
vision
has
set
out
in
the
connecting
lead
strategy
about
having
an
aspiration
to
be
a
city
where
you
don't
need
to
have
a
car,
so
we're
obviously
keen
to
make
sure
that
we
kind
of
reflect
that
vision.
J
As
well
so
we're
joined
up
with
that
approach,
but
clearly
those
conversations
which
are
probably
better
had
through
that
connecting
lead
strategy,
but
clearly
the
the
question
that
sets
out
there
will
hopefully
get
ideas
flowing
about
that
and
we
can
be
joined
up
with
transport
colleagues
to
make
sure
that
we're
both
together
moving
in
that
same
direction.
A
Hope
that
helps
in
that
regard
I
mean
this
is
part
of
the
journey
we're
on
which
is
a
hackney
phrase,
but
it
is
true.
I
mean
let's
be
clear
if
we
get
a
load
of
responses,
saying,
of
course,
not
developers,
you
know,
won't
find
their
own
route,
that's
evident
in
itself
and
enormously
useful
as
part
of
this
process.
It's
like
we
have
to
have
policies
at
the
end
of
the
day
that
are
strong,
but
also
can
stand
up
for
themselves
in
court
as
it
were.
It's
pretty
bluntly,
council
mckenna,
jim.
G
Thank
you
chair.
I
was
looking
at
the
policies
we
have
for
a
wind
turbine
regeneration
on
page
69
and
there
seems
to
be
a
gap
regarding
solar
farms.
G
We
are
identifying
areas
for
wind
turbines,
but
to
me,
solar
farms
have
greater
opportunity
for
renewable
resources
unless
you
actually
walk
around
near
the
dalek
in
the
elite
city
station,
there's
not
a
great
deal
of
amount
of
wind
in
leeds.
You
know
until
you
get
there
to
the
outer
areas,
but
solar
far
farms
on
a
on
a
reasonable
day
can
generate
an
awful
lot
of
electricity,
and
I
think
we
should
be
marrying
the
same
approach
to
winter.
G
A
No,
it's
quite
well
made.
I
especially
need
to
consider
the
fact
that
consistently
now
renewables
are
cheaper
per
kilowatt
hour
than
non-renewables,
and
that
needs
that's
a
myth
that
needs
busting.
That
they're,
not,
I
think
jim
you're
right
absolutely
right
castle
brooks
and
then
councillor,
lamb
and
well
after
council
brooks
I'll
bring
you,
mr
phoenix.
I
think
it
was
more
quite
david.
A
I
Yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you
chair.
It
was
just
really
to
say
that
fully
understand
council
gruen's
comments
in
terms
of
linking
in
with
with
young
young
people
in
the
scope
of
the
consultation.
I
I
think
in
terms
of
the
the
steps
we've
been
taking,
I
think,
is
to
sort
of
actually
settle
on
the
material
in
the
first
place
in
terms
of
the
scope
of
the
the
consultation
and
the
policy
areas,
which
is
what
we've
been
working
on
through
dpp
in
terms
of
the
format
of
the
consultation
and
the
different
methods,
I
think
you've
outlined
council
grew
and
we
have
the
the
statement
of
community
involvement,
which,
to
some
extent,
is
our
method
statement
in
terms
of
engagement
in
the
planning
process.
I
Now
I
take
what
you
say
in
terms
of
past
attempts
to
engage
with
with
children
and
young
people,
and
you
know
we
will
explore
all
of
the
channels
in
in
looking
at
how
best
to
do
this
and
how
to
engage
with
a
much
broader
spectrum
of
people
you
know
within
within
the
resources
we
have.
We
will
certainly
try
and
do
that.
I
think
one
of
the
issues,
also
in
doing
that,
will
be
to
make
sure
that
we
are
following
up
on
consultation
with
key
statutory
undertakers
as
well.
I
So
some
of
the
comments
that
council
m
has
made
about
water
quality
and
those
issues
we
need
to
be
picking
up
with
yorkshire,
water
and
the
environment
agency,
given
the
links
of
planning
to
the
water
framework
directive
as
well,
so
to
make
sure
that
their
activities
and
planning
activities
are
complementary.
So
if
we
can't
deal
with
it
through,
planning
planning
is
being
used
as
a
nudge
to
help
through
other
channels
to
be
able
to
to
deal
with
some
of
these
issues.
I
So
I
think
we
need
to
use
that
consultation
innovatively
as
well
as
you
know,
for
following
the
rules
of
what
we
have
to
do
in
terms
of
our
planning
requirements.
Thank
you.
K
Chair
I
had
noticed
that
the
windows
weren't
open
and
I
have
been
trying
to
contact
our
colleagues
in
facilities
management,
I'm
waiting
to
hear
back
from
them,
but
we
have
asked
that
in
future,
when
room,
six
and
seven
or
any
room
is,
is
set
up
that
it.
It
is
set
up
in
the
way
that
the
risk
assessment
has
asked,
because
I
had
noticed
that
the
windows
weren't
open-
and
that
was
something
with
regard
to
ventilation.
That
was
supposed
to
be
in
place.
H
I'd
please,
I
did
ask
this
question
at
the
beginning.
As
soon
as
I
came
into
the
room
chair
and
I
was
told,
the
difficulties
were
with
the
blinds
and
that
we
can't
have
the
blinds
up,
because
then
members
can't
be
seen
on
the
on
the
youtube
broadcast.
E
Yep,
thank
you,
chair
yeah.
This
is
really
tying
up
some
of
the
following
from
councillor
gruen,
but
others
have
touched
on
it
as
well
about
how
we
make
sure
we
get
the
best
responses
to
this,
but
also
use
the
opportunity
to
try
and
give
the
public
confidence
and
knowledge
about
the
process.
E
Because
one
of
one
of
the
things
we
we
hear
repeatedly,
I'm
sure
all
of
us
do
from
our
local
residents
is
you
declared
a
climate
emergency
two
years
ago,
and
yet
we
sit
and
hear
about
planning
application,
and
you
can't
do
anything
and
put
putting
the
two
things
together
and
coming
back
to.
This
is
about
teeth,
there's
also
an
issue
of
consultation
fatigue
for
those
of
us
in
the
outer
areas.
E
When
we
talked
about
connecting
leads,
what
we've
had
is
repeated
consultations
about
transport,
to
which
nobody
listens
to
anything
anybody
says,
and
it
comes
back
to
the
20-minute
neighborhood
issue.
If
you
live
in
wetherby,
I
suspect
hotly
is
the
same
and
some
other
outer
parts
of
the
city
where
we
have
an
accessibility
standard
in
the
core
strategy
which
we
conveniently
set
aside
every
time.
E
It's
going
to
stop
a
development,
so
nowhere
in
my
ward
meets
the
core
strategy,
accessibility,
standards
and
so
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
raised
eyebrows
when
people
are
asked
about
a
20-minute
neighborhood.
So
well,
we
can't
get
if
you
want
a
neighborhood
that
you
don't
have
a
car.
Well,
that's
impossible
in
our
communities
and
people
need
to
understand.
Actually
how
is
this
going
to
work
in
practice?
E
We
most
of
the
questions.
I
think
people
would
agree
with
the
things
that
are
put,
but
then
how
is
it
going
to
work
in
practice?
And
how
do
we
give
people
confidence
that,
by
responding
to
the
consultation,
making
positive
suggestions
that
they're
actually
going
to
turn
into
policies
that
will
have
teeth
and
will
be
enforced
properly
as
part
of
the
planning
balance?
E
I
think
it
should
be
saying
that's
an
absolute
last
resort
when
there's
no
other
alternative,
and
that
should
be
the
kind
of
policy
we're
striving
for
whether
it's
habitats,
whether
it's
carbon,
that
we
it
should
be
the
absolute
cast
iron
exception,
not
sort
of
well
there's
an
easy
way
out.
We'll
just
do
it
off-site
we'll
just
do
it
somewhere
else,
we'll
we'll
build
our
affordable
housing
in
a
completely
different
part
of
the
city,
because
it
doesn't
stack
up
for
us
here.
E
A
I
think
there's
a
fair
question
point.
I
think
this
is
part
of
a
process
where
it's
well.
It's
one
element
of
serious
things
that
are
coming
together
that
might
help
address
things
like
accessibility
standards
like
a
public
transport
network
in
the
public
interest,
as
opposed
to
what
we
have
now
would
be
a
big
step
forward
in
that
regard
with
a
minority.
We
can
now
do
that
adam.
Do
you
want
to
just
want
to
cancel
answer
points
or.
J
I
think,
certainly
in
terms
of
the
the
habitat
aspects
of
it.
Obviously,
we
we
have
protected
habitats
that
are
protected
through
the
through
the
core
strategy
and
it's
important
that
the
policies
will
will
clearly
protect
them
from
any
from
from
forms
of
development.
I
think
as
well
as
you
say,
I
think,
designing
a
scheme
can
be
about
a
habitat
being
a
center
point
of
that
scheme,
rather
than,
as
you
suggest,
you
know,
removed,
but
replaced
by
something
10
larger.
J
That's
that's
clearly,
not
not
a
beneficial
position
to
be,
I
think,
sensitively
designed
sites
that
actually
accommodate
habitats.
It
is
perfectly
feasible,
I
think
we
know,
through
colleagues,
who've
worked
in
the
council
house
building
program
where
they
can
use
natural
england
assessment
tools
to
to
assess,
what's
on
site,
to
be
able
to
understand
what
needs
to
be
retained
and
also
quantify
what
would
need
to
be
added
to
to
achieve
that
net
gain.
A
J
Yes,
so
we've
got
executive
board
on
the
23rd
of
june,
we'll
be
seeking
approval
to
go
to
consultation
early
july.
There's
no
set
date
for
that.
Yet,
but
as
soon
as
we
can,
that
may
be
affected.
I
suppose
if
we
want
to
do
more
front
loading
of
consultation
to
make
sure
people
are
ready
for
that
consultation.
J
That
might
add
a
little
bit,
but
I'm
sure
that'll
be
weeks,
we're
obviously
working
through
the
engagement
material
as
we
speak
to
try
and
get
this
in
a
position
where
it's
good
for
the
website
and
good
for
when
we
go
out
to
speak
to
the
public
but
they're
the
main
stages.
Unless
martin
and
david.
A
B
Are
we
going
to
try
and
organize
a
workshop
later
on
to
look
at
the
metrics?
How
we
go
about
measuring
it,
because
if
somebody
who
sits
in
a
number
of
plans
panels
and
council
finnegan
isn't
here
today,
he
asks
the
same
question
every
single
time
about
measuring
the
you
know
the
climate
change
improvement
and
the
officers
say:
we've
not
yet
got
the
metric
calculated
yet
etc,
etc.
B
B
They
say:
okay,
we'll
come
harder
on
this,
but
we'll
agree
to
go
softer
on
that,
and
that's
because
I
mean
cancer
campbell's
always
pointing
out
this.
This
application
is
not
policy
compliant,
and
then
we
get
told
oh
well,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
totally
compliant
in
every
single
policy.
It's
only
some
policies
overall,
you
know
and
that's
where
I
think
we
need
to
get
a
clear
argument
going
on.
A
H
So,
yes,
I
think
I
think,
that's
a
point
well
made.
I
mean
this
consultation
will
elicit
lots
of
different
areas
that
we
need
to
discuss
with
this
group,
and
I
would
see
that
toward
the
end
of
the
summer
and
through
the
autumn,
there'll
be
as
a
need
for
a
series
of
meetings,
stroke
workshops
to
pick
up
the
key
themes
that
are
emerging
from
that
and
I
think
you're
quite
right.
Councillor,
anderson
metrics
will
be
I'll,
be
one
of
those.
E
Thank
you,
chad.
It's
two
completely
contradictory
comments,
one
I
would
like.
E
Well,
I'll
give
you
a
minute
to
come
up
with
it.
Firstly,
I
would
like
these
new
policies
to
be
in
place
a
week
ago,
a
month
ago,
a
year
ago,
but
and
so
pacing
is
key.
So
I'd
be
quite
keen
to
know
when
we
would
actually
expect
to
get
to
the
end
of
this
in
the
timeline
and
have
policies
that
we
can
enforce.
But
in
contradiction
to
that
always
slightly
wary
of
a
consultation,
that's
going
to
take
place
over
the
summer
holidays.
E
A
Contribute
it's
a
concern,
but
we
also
need
to
make
progress.
We
we
really
do
time
is
pressing
with
this.
These
all
of
these
issues,
and
yes,
we
are
within
statutory
processes
that
you
know
as
a
council,
we
want
to
make
as
speedy
as
possible,
but
they
are,
they
have
all
got
to
be
undertaken,
and
that
is
am
I
frustrating.
A
Well,
we
managed
to
undertake
that
within
the
time
scale
before
you
all
go,
though,
I'd
just
like
to
say
that
due
to
changes
in
roles
and
responsibilities,
is
his
counselor
rich's
last
development
plan
panel
meeting
with
us
for
the
time
being
so
I'd
just
like
to
say
a
huge
thank
you
to
kevin
for
all
his
contribution
and
hard
work
and
good
sense
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
and
thanks
very
much
kevin
really
appreciated.
A
A
A
J
Let
me
just
bring
up
the
papers.
Sorry
page.