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A
Settle
please,
as
so,
we
can
start
the
meeting
good
afternoon
everyone
and
welcome
to
this
meeting
of
North
and
East
plan
panel.
My
name
is
councilor
Javed
actor
and
I
will
be
chairing.
Today's
meeting
could
I
remind
everyone
that
Trey's
meeting
is
been
live
streamed
on
the
lead
city
council,
YouTube
channel,
so
that
the
public
can
observe
the
meeting
without
needing
to
be
present.
North
and
east
plan
panel
deals
with
applications
from
from
the
north
east
and
the
east
of
the
city.
A
The
aim
of
the
panel
is
to
hear
all
the
information
from
applicant
members
of
public
Council
offices
to
help
members
of
the
panel
to
make
their
decision.
Could
I
now
invite
members
and
officers
to
introduce
themselves
and
mute
your
microphone
once
you
have
introduced
yourselves.
So
if
I
start
from
Andrew.
B
Okay,
champ
Andrew
crates,
planning
officer
and
planning
services.
I
A
Thank
you
for
moving
to
the
agenda.
Could
I
ask
the
cloud
to
go
through
I
agenda
item
number
one
to
five.
Please.
C
Really
sorry,
Joe
we've
got
a
problem
with
some
of
the
cards
under
a
gender
item
one.
There
are
no
appeals
against
a
refusal,
inspection
of
documents
under
gender
item
two.
There
are
no
items
which
require
the
exclusion
of
the
press
or
the
public
under
a
gender
item.
Three,
there
are
no
late
items
of
business
under
gender
item.
Four
could
ask
members
to
declare
any
interest.
They
may
have
I'll
take
silence
as
there
are
none
under
gender
item.
Five
apologists
have
been
received
from
councilor
Jenkins
and
councilor.
C
A
Thank
you
for
that.
Can
I
also
thank
cancer,
McKenna
and
Council
Burke
for
subbing
this
afternoon.
Moving
on
to
item
six
minutes
of
previous
meeting
held
on
28th
July
2022
do
members
accept
these
minutes
are
true
and
correct
record.
A
If
I
just
mentioned,
we
did
receive
an
email
from
one
of
the
objectors
who
came
to
our
meeting
last
time,
Mr
Andy
Berkeley.
He
asked
for
a
minor
Amendment
but
I
I've
taken
on
board.
If
that's
okay
with
members,
if
it
was
only
minor,
but
we
don't
know
exactly
what
he
meant
so
I,
take
it
as
red
yeah
item
number
seven
that
will
be
presented
by
Andrew.
B
Thank
you,
chair,
okay,
so
this
is
a
planning
application
by
the
city
council
for
construction
of
a
new
community
Sports
Hub,
including
fourth
lovely
artificial
grass,
pitches
enclosed
by
metal;
ball,
stop
fencing
car
parking
and
Associated
Landscaping
works
and
also
proposal
to
connect
the
development
to
The
Wider
Green
Park,
including
a
lit
foot
path,
link
from
the
redrow
Housing
Development
towards
thought.
Primary
School,
an
external
substation
and
Bin
store
on
land
off
Thorpe
Park
approach
in
Leeds,
okay,.
B
B
Yeah
so
Green
Green
Park
is
the
area
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
screen,
and
that's
also
thought
plain
to
the
west
of
it.
You
can
clearly
see
it
obviously
sits
within
the
wider
main
urban
area,
with
residential
areas
to
the
west
and
south,
and
you
can
just
about
make
out
the
at
least
your
Railway
line
to
the
north
and
Cross
Gates
Town
Center.
B
So
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide
and
again,
this
is
showing
green
part
now,
depending
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
the
slide,
but
it's
eastern
extent,
with
the
thought:
Park
Business
Park
employment
allocation
to
the
east
in
the
in
the
pink
area.
B
So
this
morning
on
the
site
visit,
we
walked
along
the
footpath
that
roughly
follows
that
eastern
boundary
of
Green
Park
in
the
in
that
area
there
in
terms
of
wider
geography.
Obviously
the
the
M1
sits
out
to
the
East
and
the
East
Leeds
orbital
road
comes
around
the
east
of
Leeds
around
the
outside
of
the
employment
allocation
ended
into
Junction
46
and
again
we
saw
a
bit
of
that
on
the
on
the
mini
bus.
This
morning,
we've
included
an
extract
from
the
site
allocations
plan.
B
This
just
again
shows
service,
Green
Park
in
a
wider
context.
So
it's
this
area
here
to
the
south
of
the
radial
Park
site
that
we'd
passed
on
the
minibus.
You
can
see
the
wider
east
of
these
extension
to
the
east
Temple
Newsome
to
the
South,
obviously
quite
a
large
area
of
Green
Space,
where.
B
This
is
really
an
aerial
photograph
from
a
bit
of
a
distance,
so
again
thought
business
park
out
to
the
east
Central
Park
in
this
Central
Area
to
the
north
of
the
business
park
and
then
the
red
Row
Housing
to
them
to
the
north
bus
in
the
at
least
your
Railway
line
and
green
park.
Being
this
area
of
land
roughly
in
here,
the
application
site.
B
Is
formed
by
essentially
what
were
two
arable
fields
and
part
of
the
third
one,
and
we
saw
the
hedgerows
that
were
out
on
site
this
morning,
both
to
the
existing
footpath
to
the
north
and
also
separating
these
fields.
Sorry,
yes,
of
course,
no
problem.
Apologies
I'm,
so
to
the
Eastern
side
of
the
site
is
the
is
the
area
known
as
the
hockey
stick,
which
is
the?
Is
this
a
sort
of
Darker
area
with
the
footpath
and
Bridal
way
that
we
passed
this
morning?.
B
So
it's
useful
to
refer
to
the
previous
Green
Park
master
plan
that
was
approved,
and
this
this
has
arisen
in
a
number
of
the
letters
of
representation.
So
this
is
an
approved
scheme
which
did
at
that
time
include
Sports
pitches,
football
pitches
within
that
scheme,
but
they
were
all
grass
pitches
rather
than
the
artificial
which
is
now
proposed
and
they're.
Also
they
were
unlit
as
well,
so
they
would
have
sat
in
the
same
location
in
that
southern
part
of
Green
Park,
but
clearly
unlit
and
natural
grass.
B
We've
also
shown
the
Yorkshire
water
sewer
in
blue,
which
runs
east
to
west
and
you'll.
Note
from
the
report
that
we're
awaiting
you
also
want
to
comments
which
I'll
come
back
to
in
time.
B
Additionally,
on
there
might
be
a
little
bit
faint
in
the
southern
in
the
Southeastern
corner.
Is
the
Grimm's
ditch
scheduled
ancient
Monument?
You
couldn't
really
see
that
on
site
this
morning,
because
it's
actually
below
the
level
of
the
existing
ground,
so
it
just
appears
as
an
open
field,
but
there
is
in
fact
a
scheduled
ancient
monument
in
that
location
and
it's
thought
the
ditches
but
runs
much
wider
running
to
the
North
and
South.
But
there
are
various
elements
of
it
which
are
scheduled
Monument
along
the
along
the
Route.
B
So,
in
terms
of
the
relationship
between
the
development
and
existing
trees
and
vegetation,
the
access
is
brought
in
from
the
East
along
fault,
Park
approach
and
into
the
site
in
this
location.
So
clearly,
as
we
saw
this
morning,
there
would
need
to
be
some
clearance
of
vegetation
through
that
hockey
stick
area
of
12
Trees
Additionally.
You
can
see
here.
B
There
are
some
hedgerows
which
would
otherwise
sit
within
existing
So
within
the
proposed
pitches,
and
so
those
those
trees
and
hedgerows
do
need
to
be
removed,
but
the
wider
hair
trays
and
trees
are
retained.
B
B
B
That's
proposed
to
the
north
of
osthorpe
Hall
and
that's
in
this
area
to
the
north.
It
should
also
point
out
that
Oswald
Hall
is
a
great
two
star
listed
building.
That's
that's
mentioned
in
the
report.
B
Now,
as
we
saw
this
morning,
there
is
a
diverted
Bridal
way
and
a
footpath
running
through
those
trees,
and
it's
proposed
that
those
are
retained
in
situ,
but
the
additional
Bridal
way
and
Footwear
are
created
to
the
west,
and
that
would
give
an
opportunity
for
users
of
those
routes
to
to
walk,
or
you
know,
horse
ride
or
cycle
from
north
to
south
without
needing
to
cross
the
access
road
and
those
routes
Connect
into
the
wider
North.
Sorry,
east
to
west
right
of
way
that
we
walked
on
this
morning
and
you
can
see
on
here.
B
So
the
proposals
themselves
include
three
adult
pictures
and
one
Junior
pitch
and
they
are
astro
turf
pictures
I'm
informed
by
the
applicant.
It's
it's
the
the
most
high-tech
design
in
terms
of
those
sorts
of
pictures
at
this
point
in
time,
but
they
would
Endeavor
to
look
at
what
what's
what's
on
the
market
in
terms
of
the
best
available
pitches
when
they
come
to
implementation.
B
Pictures
themselves
are
flood
lit,
so
each
pitch
is
to
have
eight
sorry.
Each
of
the
three
adult
pictures
would
have
eight
15
meter,
High
flood
lighting
columns
and
the
junior
pitch
would
have
six
12
meter.
High
flood
lighting
columns
and
the
flood
lighting
has
been
assessed
by
the
the
council's
lighting
engineer
and
what
you
can
see
from
the
plans
is
essentially
that
it's
only
really
the
pictures
that
are
lit.
It's
the
it's
the
best
in
terms
of
Technology,
available
for
minimizing
light
spillage
and
to
The
Wider
Green
Park
area.
B
In
terms
of
the
other
areas
shown
on
that
plan,
they
represent
various
elements
of
meadow
planting
and
Hedgerow
planting
and
the
particularly
the
woodland
plants
into
the
to
the
West.
That
would
complement
that
existing
hetero
that's
retained,
although
clearly
it
would,
you
know,
take
some
years
for
new
tree
planting
to
grow
up
in
time.
B
So
that's
just
a
further
render
drawing
to
give
an
indication
of
how
the
how
the
site
would
be
greened
up
over
time.
B
It's
also
worth
noting
that,
as
we
saw
on
site
this
morning,
the
site
Falls
from
south
to
North,
so
the
the
lowest
part
of
the
site
would
be
a
lower
plateau
and
then
the
three
pictures
on
the
southern
side
are
slightly
higher
so
but
down
here,
particularly
on
the
southern
side,
they're
cut
into
the
into
the
hillside.
B
B
Then,
just
in
terms
of
some
sections,
so
this
is
looking
at
an
angle
as
to
where
the
access
road
would
cut
through
that
embankment
that
we
walked
along
this
morning
of
the
line
of
the
former
Railway
line.
This
is
perhaps
a
a
bit
clearer,
showing
the
roots
in.
B
B
So
the
car
park
itself
proposes
227
spaces,
including
15
disabled
spaces,
25,
electric
vehicle
charging,
Point
spaces,
two
of
those
for
disabled
use,
16,
motorcycle
spaces
and
14
short
stay
cycle
stands
which
are
actually
in
the
in
the
The
Hub
area,
which
I'll
come
on
to
the
access
to
the
site
will
be
controlled
by
rising
bollards,
to
prevent
unauthorized
use
after
hours
and
the
potential
for
anti-social,
Behavior.
B
B
So
then,
moving
westwards
there's
an
access
from
the
car
park
across
towards
the
Hub
Building.
So
it's
intended
that
the
Hub
would
provide
a
variety
of
uses
and
be
something
of
a
focal
point.
There's
an
outside
seating
area,
very
much
a
public
space
there's
a
run
up
the
the
hillside
in
that
location,
with
steps
adjacent
to
the
building
because
of
the
level
of
gradient.
But
there
is
an
accessible
route
to
the
Roof
Garden
area.
B
Let's
give
a
slightly
clearer
picture:
that's
looking
across
the
the
front
of
the
building,
and
then
you
can
see
how
it
then
fits
into
the
the
slope
of
the
the
land
and
with
the
the
green
roof
and
Roof
Garden.
Above
so
the
the
glaze,
the
glaze.
There
is
actually
recessed
a
little
way
underneath
the
underneath
the
parapet
and
it's
proposed
to
construct
the
building
and
face
it
in
in
a
bluff,
brick
with
some
use
of
Timber
paneling.
B
So
in
terms
of
the
proposed
layout
of
the
building,
as
you'd
expect,
it
includes
changing.
Facilities
also
includes
the
reception
area
and
accessible
toilets
are
changing
places
area
as
well.
The
cafe
is
very
much
at
the
end
in
terms
of
sandwiches
and
coffees
and
so
on.
It's
not
a
bar
and
it
won't
serve
alcohol.
B
There
are
also
two
meeting
room
spaces
which
can
be
opened
up
and
used
either
as
part
of
a
cafe
or
separated
off
or
for
separate
use.
B
And
this
slide
shows
the
Roof
Garden
area
again
the
steps
up
the
side,
but
there
is
the
accessible
route
to
the
onto
the
roof
as
well,
and
it's
part
part
of
green
roof
planted
with
shrubs
and
then
part
of
it
is
an
artificial
surface
and
that
can
be
used
for
standing
out
and
viewing
over
pitches.
B
B
And
then
some
interior
cgis.
B
Okay,
in
terms
of
the
pitches
themselves,
they
are
bound
by
boundary
treatments,
so
there's
various
different
types
of
boundary
treatments,
but
the
largest
is
the
four
and
a
half
meter.
High
ball
stop
fencing.
So
that's
the
the
area
in
yellow
which
essentially
encompasses
all
of
these
pictures.
So
that's
the
highest
structure.
That's
that's
proposed
around
the
car
parking
area.
It's
it's
just
a
a
knee
rail
metal,
knee
rail
fence
and
to
you
know,
to
keep
people
safe
and
so
on
and
to
separate
that
from
The
Wider
Park
area.
B
B
Some
of
those
trees
are
existing
and
in
the
background
there
is
the
retention
of
the
existing
hedge
line
and
trees,
but
there
will
be
additional
planting,
although,
as
I
say,
that
would
take
some
time
to
to
grow
up
then
a
further
further
section,
showing
the
cut
and
fill
across
the
site
in
order
to
drop
the
upper
pitches
into
a
lower
level
to
sit
them
below
the
the
the
overall
Horizon
and
then
coming
down
to
that
lower
pitch
to
The
to
the
east.
B
B
The
biodiversity
net
gain
calculation,
which
is
set
out
in
the
report
and
essentially
there's
a
the
44.97
habitat
biodiversity
units
as
a
Baseline
and
43.16
post
development,
so
there's
a
loss
of
1.1.
B
However,
in
terms
of
heterobiodiversity
units,
there
are
13.83
as
a
Baseline
and
they're
increased
to
15.37
post
development,
which
is
which
is
positive
and,
however,
there's
a
there's.
A
reduction,
a
lot
of
habitat
units
within
the
application
site
and
therefore
this
area
of
land
to
the
north
of
Oz
Thorpe
Hall,
has
been
identified
as
an
area
where
some
habitat
creation
can
take
place.
B
So
that
area
is
currently
has
4.4
units
and
that
will
be
raised
to
7.36.
Creating
a
mixed
scrub
habitat
so
overall
there'll
then
be
a
2.5
increase
in
habitat
units
and
an
11
increase
in
Hedgerow
units,
which
would
occurred
with
the
count
Source
policies.
B
Since
the
publication
of
the
report,
there
have
been
45
further
letters
of
representation
and
plus
a
direct
letter
to
officers,
and
so
I
seek
to
summarize
the
main
points.
Many
of
them
are
points
which
have
been
made
within
the
within
the
report
already,
but
I'll
summarize
those
additional
letters,
so
essentially
residents
feel
that
have
not
been
properly
consulted.
B
B
B
Use
of
artificial
pitches
is
environmentally
very
poor
fences,
lighting,
columns
and
buildings
are
overbearing
will
have
an
urbanizing
effect
on
what
is
a
natural
open
space
together
with
too
much
other
development
happening
in
this
part
of
the
city,
notably
at
Thorpe
Park,
and
the
springs
concern
about
impacts
on
existing
Woodlands
concern
expressed
about
the
loss
of
vegetation
and
impact
on
drainage.
Given
that
the
lower
parts
of
the
site
are
already
waterlogged
in
the
winter
and
could
give
rise
to
flooding,
the
development
would
bring
additional
traffic
noise
and
light
pollution.
B
B
It's
also
currently
difficult
to
judge
where
the
lights
are
to
be
cited.
Precisely.
An
objection
is
raised
to
24-Hour
lighting
of
paths,
as
this
could
give
rise
to
anti-social
Behavior,
and
the
widths
of
some
paths
means
that
they
could
be
easily
used
by
Vehicles,
particularly
when
children
are
walking
to
school
and
increased
traffic
could
be
a
safety
hazard
to
children
around
osthorpe
Primary
School.
The
proposals
do
not
address
additional
traffic
generation.
Are
you
aware
this?
B
B
The
site
has
historic
value
once
holding
John's
meeting's,
former
Workshop
house
and
Mill,
as
well
as
evidence
of
an
iron
AIDS
settlement,
there's
a
need
for
further
archaeological
investigation.
They
mention
has
been
made
of
compensation
for
residents.
Green
Park
would
be
better
as
a
public
part
with
just
trees
and
footpaths
that
everybody
can
enjoy.
B
Other
proposals
would
be
better
located
at
skeleton
gate
towards
Junction
45
of
the
M1
or
at
Temple.
Museum
has
also
been
mentioned.
Additionally,
save
South,
Leeds
former
golf
club,
sorry
save
self
leads
former
golf
course.
Community
group
I've
raised
a
similar
objection
to
the
scheme
in
South
Leeds
and
raise
a
particular
issue
with
the
use
of
rubber
crumb
in
Ashbury.
B
Turf
pictures
I
suggest
that
they're
a
major
source
of
microplastic
pollution
reference
has
been
made
to
a
number
of
scientific
sources
and
studies
and
note
that
such
environmental
contaminants
are
likely
to
be
particularly
harmful
to
children
and
vulnerable
people,
and
both
through
inhalation
absorption
through
the
skin
and
ingestion
of
turf
infill
particles
by
state
that
manufacturers
claim
that
measures
can
be
put
in
place
to
prevent
The
Escape
of
microplastics.
But
actually
it's
very
difficult
to
monitor
the
inhalation
of
turf
particles
ought
to
be
an
area
of
air
quality
concern.
B
B
The
issues
largely
reflect
what
is
covered
in
the
report,
though
there
is
the
issue
around
the
use
of
ashtray
Turf
pitches,
which
are
governed
by
other
legislation
and
guidance
outside
of
the
planning
system.
B
In
terms
of
other
matters
arising
since
the
publication
of
the
report
mentioned
in
the
head
of
the
report,
the
awaiting
a
response
from
Yorkshire
water,
so
they
have
now
responded
and
stated
no
objection
subject
to
conditions
to
retain
the
easement
over
the
the
sewer
that
runs
through
the
site.
B
So,
overall,
the
scheme
has
significant
well-being,
Community
benefits
which
are
supported
by
local
and
National
planning
policies,
with
consideration
being
given
to
all
other
matters.
The
Proposal
is
considered
to
comply
with
both
local
and
National
policy
and
therefore
the
recommendation
to
members
is
defer
and
delegate
approval
to
the
chief
planning
officer
and
subject
to
the
conditions
listed
in
the
head
of
the
report.
A
Thank
you
Andrew.
We
have
six
speakers
who
wish
to
speak
in
objection
to
the
application.
Could
I
now
invite
them
to
come
to
the
table
and
when
ready,
you
have
six
minutes
in
which
to
present
your
objection,
that
is
one
minute
per
person.
C
C
Despite
the
lifting
of
curved
restrictions
in
July
2021
there's
been
no
invitation,
our
organization
of
a
public
information
meeting
and
no
response
to
various
emails
from
planning
officers
or
local
councilors.
The
report
does
not
reflect
reality
and
what
has
actually
happened
does
not
meet
the
requirements
of
Lee's
core
strategy.
C
E
So
I'm
Geraldine,
server
and
I
have
already
sent
three
letters
of
objections
to
the
panel
plus
a
letter
to
Richard
Bergen
MP,
who
is
aware
of
the
situation
for
generations
of
my
family,
have
lived
in
baraby
Avenue
since
1926.
we
have
seen
the
Green
Space
slowly
get
built
on.
This
is
one
development
too
far.
E
Objection
referring
to
plastic
grass
on
Far
pitches,
plastic
grass
is
made
of
polyethyl
polyethylene
the
same
plastic
that
makes
plastic
bags
when
the
Sun
Shines
on
this
it
breaks
down
into
micro,
Plastics,
which
end
up
in
watercourses
and
eventually
into
the
ocean.
Recent
research
also
shows
that
it
gives
off
plastic
particles
into
the
air
which
youngster
is
playing
on
it
and
the
local
community
will
be
breathing
in
when
the
grass
is
worn
out.
It
will
end
up
in
landfill.
E
Leads
you
to
council
advertised
on
the
Sainsbury's
roundabout
that
they
are
supporting
projects
to
help
back
climate
emergency
I
would
argue
that,
with
this
development,
they
are
contributing
to
climate
emergency.
Consider
it
takes
174
plastic
noodles
just
to
make
one
plastic
carrier
bag.
How
much
the
far
plastic
football
peaches
the
council
advertise
on
the
road.
Next,
to
Sainsbury's
no
more
areas
to
protect
biodiversity,
yeah
just
up
the
road
they
propose
to
destroy
it.
E
I
have
taken
reliable
evidence
that
the
traffic
forecast
in
this
planning
application
is
incorrect.
If
all
peaches
were
used
at
the
same
time
complete
with
players,
substitutes
managers,
coaches,
spectator
traffic
and
local
traffic,
it
would
generate
traffic
well
in
excess
of
the
maximum
forecast
in
this
modeling.
Existing
roads
would
not
be
able
to
cope
with
the
traffic
and
it
will
become
a
large
problem
in
and
around
baraby
Avenue
and
baraby
Lane.
The
traffic
forecast
is
therefore
incorrect.
E
C
Hi
I'm
Jessica
Ashdale
and
my
mum's
daughter,
I,
am
the
fourth
generation
to
be
raised
in
this
area
and
I
would
also
just
like
to
raise.
My
objections
may
need
to
Echo
my
mom's
points.
I'll
add
a
few
more.
So
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
C
My
thoughts
were
that
you
acknowledge
that
there
will
be
some
light
pollution
to
the
local
area
which
will
affect
both
residents
and
the
biodiversity
in
baraby
woods.
This
is
in
addition
to
the
noise
pollution
from
the
normal
operation
of
the
site
itself.
Austin
use,
as
well
as
air
pollution
from
the
traffic
I'd,
also
like
to
highlight
the
difference
in
the
proposed
next
scrub
versus
the
impact
on
mature
Woodland,
as
these
are
not
ecologically
equivalent
and
to
further
that
point.
C
C
The
whole
site
is
itself
would
be
better
suited
to
a
Brownfield
site.
Thank
you.
L
L
3G
AstroTurf
is
banned
in
multiple
countries,
especially
in
cities
such
as
New,
York
and
Paris.
The
reason
for
this
is
the
chemicals
released
from
the
crumb
I
can
give
you
the
details
if
required,
but
unfortunately,
this
these
chemicals
are
connected
to
cancer
cases,
especially
among
young
children
who
play
on
these
surfaces
another
one.
The
light
pollution
caused
by
this
application
has
not
totally
addressed
and
therefore
is
incomplete,
as
trees
are
used
in
the
calculations
as
part
of
the
screening.
These
will
not
be
fully
to
the
height
for
15
years.
L
Another
one,
the
noise
pollution
again
has
not
been
totally
addressed
and
studied
is
incomplete
on
a
professional
assessment
basis.
This
proposal
has
multiple
gray
areas
which
need
correcting,
including
the
traffic
impact
on
osthorpe
lane,
from
parking
the
impact,
the
health
of
the
local
people,
especially
youngsters,
who
need
sleep,
and
this
will
go
out
until
10
30
at
night
and
also
to
the
players.
The
chemicals
do
actually
affect
them.
That's
come
out
of
these.
The
turf
and
I
can
give
you
details
if
required.
L
I
Hello,
my
name's
Richard,
paulingham
and
I
friends
of
Geraldine
and
Jessica
here
visit
them
quite
often
and
walked
from
my
place
in
appenders
fields,
join
them
on
certain
events
and
walk
through
Barnaby
Woods.
This
is
Greenbelt
that
should
be
looked
after
and
planted
up
with
more
trees.
It
has,
over
the
years,
been
much
neglected
with
dangerous
situations
with
the
trees
falling
with
the
ivy
growth.
I
It's
sometimes
be
quite
dangerous,
walking
through
there
when
it's
windy,
I,
don't
agree
with
this
development
regarding
the
football
pitches
and
the
plastic
grass
there's
many
of
them
already
around
in
the
area.
I
Many
people,
often
myself,
really
don't
really
appreciate.
Just
like
football
to
be
honest
and
voices
should
be
heard
too.
I
The
loss
of
green
belt
of
this
area,
I've
known
for
many
years
and
obviously
used
for
farming
of
cereals
and
obviously
there's
been
animals
in
the
area
which
is
quite
nice
to
to
walk
through
and
see
at
some
quite
nice
trails
that
you
take
in
that
area.
Thank
you.
A
A
Six
minutes,
unfortunately,
someone
has
taken
more
than
one
minute
so.
D
Can
I
go
I
mean
I
prepared
to
put
it
to
be
a
minute
long.
Thank
you
very
much.
Yes,
thank
you.
My
name
is
shahab
address
and
I'm
a
resident
in
the
temple
Museum
Ward
and
I'm.
D
Also
a
representer
of
the
green
party,
I
coordinate
Central
and
outer
Leeds,
that's
around
20
Awards
in
the
city
and
I'm
here
to
support
some
of
the
residents
which
brought
this
to
my
attention
during
the
election
period,
which
has
just
gone
so
aside
from
the
160
plus
consent
Ray
so
far
in
comparison
to
the
dozen
or
so
showing
support
and
I
would
have
also
added
the
journal
comments
as
objections
as
well.
So
it's
overwhelmingly
riddled
with
issues,
especially
concerning
lighting,
artificial
surface
and
The
Disappearance
of
natural
Green
Space
home
to
numerous
Wildlife.
D
But
the
report
has
still
concluded
in
favor
of
this
development.
Personally
I
do
appreciate
that
land
has
to
be
converted
to
make
way
for
infrastructural
development
services,
which
will
benefit
a
certain
percentage
of
the
population.
But
this
area
of
the
proposed
development
is
a
very
peaceful
area
where
individuals
and
families
Retreat
to
disconnect
from
urban
life
and
many
walk
their
dogs.
There
is
an
initial
concern
of
how
this
peaceful
and
tranquil
environment
will
be
disrupted.
D
The
biggest
concern,
however,
is
the
erosion
of
the
green
space
in
this
part
of
the
city,
a
couple
of
statements
from
the
report,
which
was
which
allowed
me
up
quite
often,
the
proposed
scheme
gives
rise
to
significant
Community
benefits
which
cannot
be
replicated
elsewhere
in
this
part
of
the
city
and
then
again
it's
that
significant
Community
facilities.
It's
only
football
in
a
cafe,
I
I
can't
understand
what
are
the
significant
benefits
of
the
community
are
aside
from
the
football.
D
This
then
begs
the
question:
to
what
extent
will
this
development
be
Progressive
in
terms
of
enhancing
the
lives
of
people
across
eastlies
and
Beyond
in
comparison
to
the
Greenland,
which
will
be
converted
at
the
detriment
of
wildlife,
wild
Plantation
archaeological
significance?
I
mean
this
is
a
pretty
much
a
footballing
venture
dominated
by
a
single
activity,
but
how
many
people
within
the
population
was
actually
use
this
space
and
I
feel
it
will
be
incredibly
lower
than
anticipated.
Football
is
seasonal,
most
Club
teams
do
not
practice
and
play
regularly.
D
The
cost
benefit
may
not
be,
as
you
have
stated,
why
did
approved
natural
grass,
pitches
and
Redevelopment
of
this
site,
get
changed
to
this
High
Cost
of
resource
intensive
project
when
it's
principally
about
playing
football
and
finally,
what
will
be
the
cost
of
community
members
to
use
this
space
and
how
will
people
from
very
disadvantaged
backgrounds
access
this
space?
As
you
have
made
it
clear,
this
space
must
become
self-sufficient
within
a
certain
time
frame.
So
there
are
two
aspects
to
consider
here.
D
First
is
to
maintain
high
quality
services
for
the
public
to
use,
and,
secondly,
that
of
financial
sustainability.
How
will
these
two
be
balanced
when
costs
become
a
Paramount
Factor
running
of
this
service?
How
will
you
focus
on
the
people
who
could
desperately
use
a
site
for
their
personal
growth
and
development
without
any
access
and
affordability
issues,
and-
and
there
was
nothing
about
the
maintenance
cost
for
running
this?
Thank
you
very
much.
K
The
the
main
question
that
I
had
just
and
it's
to
to
anybody
really
is
just
around
the
consultation,
which
is
always
something
this
panel
is
concerned
about
and
making
sure
things
are
done
with
with
people
not
to
them.
So
what
what
you've
obviously
described?
What
didn't
happen?
What
sort
of
consultation
do
you
feel
should
take
place
or
should
have
taken
place,
and
what
would
you
like
to
see
happen
in
the
in
terms
of
making
the
scheme
I
get
the
sense
from
the
majority.
C
I'll
speak
and
feel
free
for
anybody
to
come
in,
because,
obviously
I
think
consultation
hasn't
taken
place.
The
only
way
that
I
found
out
about
this
was
a
flyer
through
my
door.
Speaking
I've
lived
in
the
area
since
1991.
I
know
a
lot
of
people
not
just
on
Barry
Belen,
Lane
and
ozthot
Lane.
My
children
have
been
to
school
there,
so
I
know
lots
of
people
locally.
A
lot
of
people
haven't
had
Flyers
a
lot
of
people,
don't
know
anything
about
it.
C
A
flyer
there's
been
no
opportunity
to
discuss
concerns.
The
only
thing
that
we
were
able
to
do
was
to
post
things
on
a
portal
which
was
very
difficult
to
access.
At
times
it
certainly
wasn't
user
friendly
for
a
lot
of
people
because
she
tried
to
get
on
you
couldn't
get
on.
So
you
had
to
be
determined
to
go
back
onto
that.
C
I
think
there
should
have
been
some
dialogue.
There
should
have
been
a
meeting
I
think
we
should
before
the
proposals
are
even
develop.
We
should
have
been
consulted
about
this.
The
local
area
should
have
been
consulted.
We
were
aware
there
was
Green
football
pictures,
absolutely
fine
to
have
green
football
pictures
if
stated
that
before
not
an
issue
with
the
green
football
pictures,
we
recognize.
You
know
the
proposals
for
well-being,
but
I
think
the
consultation
process
has
just
not
happened
at
all
and
I
I
feel
that
it's
relatively
flawed
and
it
doesn't
work.
C
D
Thank
you.
It
is
just
a
general
question
on
that,
because
we've
heard
one
person
say
that
pretty
much
that
that
they
think
they
shouldn't
be
used
for
football
or
sport
in
in
that
sense,
and
there's
more
General
comments
around
the
actual
material.
So
I'll
just
be
curious
for
for
some
of
the
residents
here.
Is
it
the
proposed
usage?
That's
the
main
issue
in
the
round,
or
is
it
the
proposed
material
because
we're
getting
two
conflicting
statements
from
two
different
sets
of
people.
L
E
Could
I
just
add
as
well
the
huge
toll
it
will
take
on
many
beasts
and
little
creatures
in
that
area?
Plastic
grass
will
destroy
all
of
this
there'll
be
no
insects.
50
insect
populations
have
dropped
by
50.
That's
that
says
ital.
This
will
prevent
bird
life,
it'll
prevent
hedgehogs
foxes
and
so
on
and
I
really
do
think
that
this
plastic
grass
should
not
not
be
going
ahead.
It's
just
appalling,
in
fact.
In
my
opinion,
plastic
grass
should
really
be
banned.
Okay,.
I
Thank
you,
chair
on
the
site
visit
earlier
resident,
I
overheard
had
mentioned
the
state
of
the
the
land
as
it
is
now
and
when
we
walk
through
it,
you
could
see
it
hadn't
been
cultivated,
so
my
question
really
is
historically
in
in
say
the
past
five
years
or
so.
What's
that
that
Landing
question
look
like,
has
it
been
set
aside
to
Wildlife
or
had
it
been
cultivated.
L
Survive
in
the
last
five
years,
it's
been
farmed,
a
lot
of
it,
but
also
some
of
it
was
set
aside
now
prior
to
thought.
Park
development
there
used
to
be
seven
acres
of
short
rotational
copacing,
which
I
and
my
fellow
members
at
the
DTI
gave
approval
to
be
cut
down,
but
on
the,
but
there
had
to
be
replacement
trees
for
it.
This
has
not
happened,
and
it
is
not
included
in
here.
So
again,
I
can
talk
from
the
beginning
of
this
project.
Mr
chairman
I
was
a
DTI
officer,
and
this
is
wrong.
A
E
Could
I
just
add:
that's
in
the
flyer:
I
got
Temple
news
in
word:
Leeds
the
council
for
the
labor
party,
March
2021.
They
promised
the
planting
of
5.8
million
trees
and
I've
looked
at
the
plans
for
this
planting
and
I'm,
not
aware
of
any
of
these
trees
that
are
going
to
be
planted
in
the
r
stop
area
and
I
just
think.
That's
rather
sad.
E
Thank
you,
chair
I've
got
two
questions:
if
that's
okay
one's
regarding
the
danger
attached
to
activation
pictures,
I'm
just
curious
to
because
that's
a
huge
statement
you
made
that
they
cause
cancer
and
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
I
am
vaguely
aware
of
this,
because
I
was
involved
in
amateur
sport
for
a
long
time
now
in
America
they
banned
the
use
of
some
of
them
to
hold
a
bit
about
it.
Wasn't
that,
but
quite
recently
the
national
governing
bodies
of
the
UK
have
come
out
and
made
a
statement.
E
I've
just
actually
found
it
and
it
says
that
there
is
no
risk
and
they
are
completely
safe,
not
my
words
I'm
reading
from
this
this
website,
so
I'm
I'm
when
the
statements
around
them
being
cancer
caused
and
it
was
linked
to
Tire
Chrome.
Wasn't
it
and
the
use
so
can
a
fish
I
think
it
depends
entirely
because
there
was
a
whole
issue
about
using
Tire
Chrome
on
artificial
pictures,
I'm
not
coming
in
an
artificial
versus
grass
I'm,
just
particularly
coming
on
that.
E
L
L
Now
the
thing
is
that
what
you're
talking
about
is
that
crumb
has
been
connected
and
is
actually
now
proven
and
there's
a
paper
just
released
four
days
ago
by
a
professor
from
Sterling
University,
confirming
that
mercury,
LED,
Benzene
and
arsenic
are
all
present
in
the
crumb.
Now.
The
thing
is
that
I've
mentioned
I
haven't
actually
mentioned,
there's
actually
now
130
cases
of
children
and
adults
who
have
been
directly
connected
with
con
cancer
cases.
L
E
You
can
I
can
I
just
add
as
well
that
it's
not
the
the
damage
that
the
plastic
grass
is
doing
to
people,
which
is
shocking,
but
it's
also
the
huge
cost
to
the
planet
of
producing
the
stuff.
In
the
first
place,
all
the
oil
that's
needed
and
lead
city
council
can't
say
that
it's
helping
to
back
climate
emergency
when
they,
when
they're
doing
all
of
this,
it's
just
a
it's
a
huge
cost
to
the
planet,
and
this
is
why
I
disagree
with
it.
A
Let
me
see
if
I
can
just
remind
members
of
the
public
objectives
when
you
do
come
back.
Please
raise
your
hand
if
you
want
to
come
back
rather
than
just
coming
onto
the
mic,
so
customer
do
you
want
to
come
back
here?
Yes,
thank
you.
E
Thank
you.
It's
it's
an
incredibly
emotive
subject.
Isn't
it
obviously
because
nobody
ever
wants
to
hear
if
anybody
at
least
young
people
who
are
have
been
struck
down
by
any
illness
and
cancer
is
always
one
of
bills
that
we
never
ever
want
to
mention?
However,
however,
whenever
we're
talking
about
emotive
subjects,
I
think
we
do
need
to
be
entirely
driven
by
the
facts
as
they
are
now
I.
Have
that,
because
it's
very
easy
to
drift
off
into
some
kind
of,
and
nobody
ever
I'm
sure
I
speak
for
everybody
in
this
room.
E
E
Think
it's
important
once
we
start
mentioning
cancer
and
things
like
that
that
we
put
that
into
some
kind
of
context,
so
spot
England
has
expressed
its
total
confidence
in
the
National
governing
body
statement
and
their
statement
subsequently
said
that
they
are
safe
and
the
measures
they
have
taken
to
ensure
the
health,
safety
and
Welfare
of
users
of
artificial
turf
pictures.
At
present,
the
preponderance
of
evidence
clearly
shows
no
negative.
E
Health
effects
are
associated
with
the
Chrome
rubber
info
used
in
Synthetic
Turf,
and
the
national
governing
bodies
believe
they
have
taken
all
measures
to
ensure
that
pitches
they
use
and
Fund
in
England
are
safe
and
at
present
have
no
known
Hazard
to
help.
I
can't
argue
that
point
I'm
just
reading
sport
England's
statement,
but
I
thought
it
was
important
to
flag
that
up,
because,
obviously,
as
I
said,
cancer
is
really
emotive
and
spot
England.
E
L
L
A
Thank
you
can
I
just
remind
members.
Can
we
concentrate
what's
before
us
and
it's
on
the
planning
issues
that
we
talk?
Obviously
it's
important
to
talk
about
the
health
issues,
but
there
are
other
authorities
can
can
deal
with
those
matters.
So
if
there
are
any
questions
for
objectives,
anybody
else
in
that
case,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
and
now
we
also
have
the
agent
Nick
Beckett,
who
will
be
speaking
in
support
of
this
application
when
you're
ready,
you've
got
six
minutes
to
address
the
panel.
Please.
H
The
facilities
are
intended
for
football,
so
that's
50,
local
teams
and
50
for
public
use.
125
local
teams
from
East
Leeds
are
already
invested
for
using
the
pitches
at
this
site.
So
we
know
the
demand.
Is
there
women's
football
so
encouraging
more
girls
in
sport
off
the
back
of
the
recent
women's
Euros
success,
and
not
just
that,
but
also
walking
football
and
disabled
football?
All
part
of
that
mix
and
consideration
the
Leeds
pitch
playing
pitch
strategy
shows
a
deficit
of
13
artificial
grass
pitches
across
the
city.
H
H
The
3G
pitched
surfaces
would
be
the
best
standard
of
artificial
pitch
using
up
stands
at
the
perimeters
to
retain
the
rubber
Chrome
and
contain
microplastics
sport.
England's
position
outlines
that
artificial
grass
pitches
are
recognized
as
a
durable,
safe,
year-round,
plane,
surface
able
to
withstand
intensive
use
in
all
kinds
of
weather.
H
H
Vehicle
access
to
the
site
is
proposed
via
thought
Park
to
the
new
car
park
away
from
residential
areas.
The
new
car
part
is
required
to
control
vehicular
movements
to
the
site
and
prevent
cars
parking
on
neighboring
residential
streets.
There
are
25
EV
charging
points
and
grass
Creek
surfacing
adjacent
to
existing
mature
trees
to
minimize
environmental
impact.
H
It
is
not
anticipated
or
intended
to
bus
people
in
to
this
site
from
The
Wider
leads
area
and
the
furthest
registered
Club
is
based
in
garforth,
enhance
pedestrian
and
cycle
links
from
also
Lane
to
Green.
Park
also
encourage
sustainable
travel
and
promote
well-being,
levels
and
surfaces
have
been
designed
to
be
fully
accessible.
H
The
Pavilion
building
accommodates
Community
facilities
such
as
a
flexible
Cafe
space
toilets,
including
a
changing
places,
facility
cycle
storage
and
a
roof
Terrace
for
viewing
all
sports.
It
is
not
intended
to
have
a
license.
Bar
adjacent
residences
are
over
100
meters
away
from
the
pitches
with
tree.
Planting
between
pictures
are
set
down
in
the
landscape
so
that
the
top
of
the
fencing
is
in
line
with
the
existing
ground
level
adjacent
to
the
houses.
H
H
The
usage
chart
demonstrates
an
anticipated
7
to
8
PM
finish
in
the
evening
at
the
latest.
Floodlights
would
not
be
used
on
Saturdays
acoustic
modeling
has
been
undertaken
of
existing
and
proposed
situations
and
no
increase
in
background
noise
is
anticipated
primarily
due
to
the
adjacent
M1
Motorway.
H
H
Wildlife
underpasses
are
proposed
to
the
to
the
site
under
the
access
road
to
avoid
animals
crossing
the
road
surface,
also,
including
the
proposals
of
four
bat
boxes
and
12
bird
boxes.
To
ensure
a
diverse
wildlife,
The
Pavilion
building
is
to
meet
the
highest
standard
of
sustainability
standards
with
a
briam,
excellent
Target.
Above
and
beyond
the
council's
current
planning
policy,
ground
Source
heat
pumps
will
provide
renewable
energy
to
the
building
and
more
than
half
the
demand
from
the
grid.
A
But
thank
you
and
do
members
have
any
questions
for
the
speaker,
councilor
Anderson,
then
Council.
J
J
So
what
future
proofing
are
you
going
to
put
in
because
you've
not
got
many
EV
charging
points,
and
if
we
are
going
to
convince
people
and
convert
them
over
to
electric
cars,
then
the
vast
majority
of
people
will
be
using
them
eventually
whether
I
agree
or
disagree
with
that's
not
irrelevant.
The
fact
is:
that's
the
stated
objection
objective
of
the
government
and
also
of
the
council
as
well.
So
what
you're
going
to
do
to
Future
proof,
the
second
one?
J
Presumably
you
will
be
holding
competitions
there.
So
where
do
you
see
the
additional
changing
facilities
being
constructed
when
you've
got
multiple
teams
who
are
coming
along?
Where
would
you
see
them
being
located
because
go
around
the
city
and
a
lot
of
the
good
areas?
We've
got
have
six
seven
eight
nine
ten
teams
turning
up
to
play
in
the
same
pitch,
because
it's
a
tournament
and
how
would
that
operate?
Where
about
on
the
thing
have
you
got
your
officials
and
referees
accommodation,
I,
didn't
see
anything
specifically
marketing
see
plenty
of
changing
rooms.
J
Don't
get
me
wrong,
there's
plenty
of
changing
rooms.
So
where
are
the
officials
that
you're
going
to
have
coming
along
because,
particularly
if
you
get
good
quality
teams
coming,
the
officials
will
expect
to
be
given
quite
a
high
standard
to
go
and
change
into
when
you
are
presenting
your
information
to
the
council.
Did
you
come
up
with
any
distance
visuals,
because
we've
heard
a
lot
from
the
residents
this
afternoon
that
this
is
going
to
be
visible?
That's
going
to
be
visible,
have
you
come
up
with
any
visuals?
J
That
would
show
I
mean
an
example.
This
morning
is
when
we
were
on
site
and
we
were
on
our
stock
Lane.
We
were
talking
about
the
floodlights
and
the
officer
pointed
out
that
the
pitch
was
down
in
the
dip,
which
meant
that
in
theory
there
should
be
limited
visibility
of
the
floodlights.
At
that
point,
we've
not
seen
anything
today
and
that
would
go
to
reinforce
the
point
you
know.
Did
you
prepare
them
and
you
just
not,
and
the
officer
has
made
a
choice
and
not
portrayed
them
consultation.
J
Why,
when
the
applicant
is
Lead
City
Council
our
lead
city
council,
letting
their
own
residence
down
you're
finding
out
to
the
best
my
knowledge
I,
don't
think
you're
you're.
You
are
connected
to
leave
city
council,
but
this
is
Leeds
city
council
who
are
applying
and
Lead
City
Council
of
the
highest
possible
standards
for
consultation
where
those
of
us
who
are
on
the
development
plans
panel
have
recently
been
through
looking
at
the
best
way
of
carrying
out
consultation.
J
I
think
this
would
be
an
example
as
to
why
the
council
gets
it
wrong
to
be
quite
Frank.
If
the
truth
be
told,
it's
then
to
go
on.
Where
do
you
see?
You
mentioned
all
these
teams
that
are
interested?
How
many
of
them
actually
come
from
what
I'll
call
the
sea
Croft,
hair,
Hills,
barmintoff,
Temple,
Newsome
side
of
the
city,
because
I
don't
think
they're
going
to
drive
around
all
go
out
to
Thorpe
Park
to
go
into
the
car
park.
J
They
will
come
in
and
park
in
and
around
awesome
to
be
quite
Frank,
because
that's
that's
the
closest
where
to
go,
and
anybody
who
lives
anywhere
near
a
school
or
anywhere
near
Sports.
Pitch
is
no
that
people
Pile
in
to
the
nearest
possible
parking
spaces
and
the
final
thing
is
you've,
seen
the
objections
about
public
health
about
the
pictures.
J
Have
you
approached
Leeds
City
council's
Public
Health
to
get
your
eyes
dotted
and
your
t's
crossed
that
they
have
confirmed
to
you
that
there
are
no
Health
impacts
and
that
leads
Public
Health
are
relying
on
some
of
the
information
that
my
colleague
has
already
put
in
to
the
public
domain.
Thank
you.
H
So
that's
a
lot
of
questions
so
if
I
could
just
go
back
to
Evie,
so
the
first
question
was
about
EV
charging
points.
Is
that
correct,
so
I
understand
what
has
been
submitted
is
in
line
with
Lee
ticket
council's
current
planning
policy.
I.
Think
a
couple
more
spaces
have
been
requested.
I'm
sure
those
could
be
accommodated.
J
This
is
Lead
City
Council
that
are
making
the
application
so
lead.
City
council
should
volunteer
to
go
further
than
the
minimum
standards
necessary
as
showing
leadership
for
the
rest
of
the
city,
who
we
hope
will
then
follow
climate
emergency,
and
so
Leeds
should
be
leading
on
this
and
coming
up
and
exceeding
all
standards.
Not
sticking
behind.
Let's
go
to
the
minimum
standards.
Leads,
should
always
be
exceeding
standards.
H
That's
something
I
would
need
to
take
take
up
with
a
client,
unfortunately,
but
as
far
as
we
say
from
planning
policy
perspective,
the
the
scheme
is
compliant
yeah
in
terms
of
competitions.
The
the
existing
car
parts,
the
proposed
car
part,
is
oversized
for
what
it
needs
to
be
to
for
what
is
the
anticipated
demand
so
for
competitions
and
the
reason
for
that.
Let
me
just
let
me
finish
the
reason
for
that
is
to
serve
as
a
car
park
to
access
the
rest
of
the
Green
Park
area,
foreign.
J
If
you've
got
11
players
from
each
team
and
say,
you've
got
six
teams
there,
but
66
plus
another
five
substitutes
for
getting
out
to
a
lot
of
people
needing
to
change
in
these
changing
areas.
It's
just
and
in
some
cases,
if
we
end
up
which
I
think
we
were
going,
we
end
up
with
mixed
games
being
played
it's
going
to
be
very
problematic
in
terms
of
how
you
would
separate
that
up.
A
H
In
terms
of
consultation,
the
I
appreciate
that
is
a
Hot
Topic
and
one
that
is
is
a
very
emotive.
Having
spoken
to
the
client,
the
consultations
were
planned
to
be
undertaken,
but
obviously
it
was
during
the
covert
pandemic,
so
no
face-to-face
consultations
could
have
taken
place
prior
to
the
application
being
taken
place.
H
My
understanding
is,
there
were
two
online
consultations
and
flies
were
posted
to
a
number
of
residents
to
2
500
residents.
As
far
as
I'm
aware,
consultations
were
also
undertaken
with
Ward
members
as
well.
So
clearly,
it's
not
ideal,
given
that
we're
in
the
pandemic
not
able
to
undertake
a
face-to-face
consultation,
but
other
measures
were
put
in
place.
J
How
about
the
car
package?
You
mentioned
all
these
teams
that
were
coming
yeah
and
what
concerns
me
is
you've
got
adequate
car
parking
at
the
thought
parking,
not
disputing
that
under
any
circumstances
whatsoever.
But
if
these
teams
are
coming
from
the
areas
I
mentioned,
the
shortest
place
to
go
is
to
actually
enter
the
Ozark
area
and
the
bottom
end,
that's
the
shortest
route,
and
why
I
go
additional
mileage?
J
H
So
the
car
park
is
is
located
directly
adjacent
to
the
entrance
of
the
Pavilion.
We,
it
is
the
shortest
place
to
access
the
the
actual
Services
we
don't.
We
cannot
see
why
anyone
would
want
to
come
through
local
areas
in
parking
lot
on
residential
streets
if
sufficient
car
parking
is
available
directly
adjacent
to
the
plane,
facilities
and
I
think
this
has
been
verified
by
the
the
transport
state.
A
Right
can
we
now
move
on
to
Council
sorry.
J
To
come
back
on
was
consultation.
We've
been
out
of
the
pandemic
for
a
while.
You
knew
that
this
application
was
coming
before
panel.
You
knew
the
level
of
objections
that
were
there
because
they're
on
they're
there
for
you
to
see
on
the.
Why
didn't
you
hold
a
consultation
exercise
say
three
or
four
months
ago
that
you
you
could
have
then
said
to
today.
J
That's
all
I'm,
saying
I
mean
I,
accept
what
you
said
about
the
pandemic:
I'm,
not
disputing
that,
but
we're
now
out
of
it.
You
knew
this
application
was
coming
forward
soon.
You
could
have
done
it
even
in
the
last
six
weeks
to
be
quite
Frank
once
the
local
elections
were
out
the
way
it
would
have
then
been
out
of
the
political
domain,
and
it
would
have
been
a
good
opportunity
to
let
the
residents
see
some
of
the
graphics
that
we've
seen
today,
which
might
have
convinced
them
that,
on
balance,
this
isn't
a
bad
thing.
Overall.
H
So
the
original
planning
application
planning
application
for
this
development
was
submitted
in
December
2020,
so
for
the
public
consultation
to
have
influenced
the
the
design
it
would
have
had
to
have
been
held
before
that
time.
K
Yeah,
thank
you.
Chad
I
think
cash
Anderson
has
covered
most
of
it,
but
most
things
are
possibly
considered,
but
I
do
want
to
dwell
on
the
consultation
and
and
the
first
I
feel
probably
slightly
unfair
to
you.
K
That
I
don't
think
this
is
entirely
your
responsibility,
but
you're
the
person
who's
been
sent
to
answer
our
questions
so
I'm
afraid
I
have
to
direct
it
at
you,
so
I
think
the
first
is
frustration
again
that
when
it's
the
city
council,
putting
forward
an
application
that
we
haven't
consulted
properly
with
the
local
community
and
I,
don't
think
the
excuse
of
the
pandemic
and
the
timing
washes
at
all,
because
we're
sat
here
in
now,
August
2022,
not
December,
2020,
there's
been
plenty
of
opportunities
where
there
could
have
been
face-to-face
engagement
or
consultation
to
happen.
K
So
my
question
is:
how
do
we
fix
that
now
with
given
we're
in
there
in
a
tricky
spot,
where
we're
being
asked
to
consider
this
application
I
think
it's
accepted.
There
hasn't
been
sufficient
consultation
with
the
community,
but
we
have
to
make
a
decision
on
the
merits
of
it.
So
how
do
we
fix
and
evolve
the
community
in
the
next
steps
of
this.
H
K
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
Jeff.
Just
just
just
a
couple
of
things,
there's
obviously
been
a
quite
a
heavy
emphasis
here
on
football
I'm,
just
wondering
from
the
client's
point
of
view,
which
is
obviously
the
city
council,
why
this
has
not
been
more
envisions
as
a
as
a
multi-spots
playing
facility,
particularly
bearing
in
mind
that
will
have
an
impact
on
the
type
of
service
that's
been
used.
So,
for
example,
rugby
doesn't
go
very
well
necessarily
on
AstroTurf,
so
it
seems
if
we're
putting
quite
a
significant
sum
of
money
into
this.
D
H
I
believe
the
Park,
like
Park
life
initiative,
is
funded
from
central
government
via
the
Football
Association,
and
that
that
is
the
primary
focus,
but
it
is
intended
not
just
to
be
for
Club
teams,
and
you
know
it
is
intended
to
be
for
other
activities
to
to
encourage
people
who
haven't
historically
been
able
or
wanted
to
participate
in
sport
to
to
do
that.
H
I
believe
there
is,
it
is
targeted
towards
walking
football
disabled
football
as
well,
as
you
know,
getting
well
again
using
the
recent
women's
year
of
success
to
encourage
more
girls
into
football
as
well
when
women
into
football.
D
So,
based
on
that,
the
what's
kind
of
being
put
for
us
that
this
is
going
to
be
to
a
certain
extent
for
multi-spot,
but
actually
what
we're
talking
is
about
multiple
iterations
of
football
rather
than
actually
multi
multiple
different
types
of
sport,
because
I
think
you
know
it
does
go
to
the
type
of
service,
but
also
goes
to
the
usability.
Now.
I
may
not
accept
comments
earlier
on
that
nobody
wants
a
football
pitcher
I.
D
Think
Lee's
is
quite
a
a
football
supporting
City,
but
it's
it
does
go
to
the
question
of
the
usability
of
the
space
and
as
much
as
the
main
funding
may
be
coming
from
Park
life
and
and
obviously
that
is
heavily
linked
to
the
the
football
it
just
seems.
It's
a
again,
it's
probably
going
on
to
comments,
or
probably
they
just
seems
like
it's
a
missed
opportunity.
I
H
So
the
the
client
team
is
made
up
of
multiple
stakeholders
so
that
there
was
a
a
team
in
City
development
as
well
as
the
fa
in
sport
England
as
well.
So
it's
it's
and
I
think
cam
active
leads
of
an
active
interest
as
well.
So
this
it's
it's
a
bit
of
a
broad
client
team.
I
Thanks
I
just
want
to
come
back
to
the
astro
turf
issue
and
I
wondered
whether
you've
done
any
assessment,
whether
you
could
provide
any
information
on
on
the
balance
of
where
sometimes,
when
we're
looking
at
the
environmental
impact,
we
have
to
balance
it
with
usability.
So
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
can
see
how
you
can
use
AstroTurf
for
more
hours,
because
if
it's
not
raining,
Etc
I
can
see
how.
I
If
you've
got
Astra
Turf,
you
don't
have
to
mow
the
lawn
three
times
using
two-stroke
or
diesel
engine
and
the
emissions
I
can
see
how
you'd
have
to
reseed
it
put
a
fertilizer
on
it
twice
a
year.
I'm
a
king,
Gardener
I,
do
all
this
at
home,
so
I
can
see
the
benefits
of
all
that
and
then
I
think
the
other
side,
which
is
so.
I
We
just
had
a
heat
wave
where
we
were
all
warned
not
to
let
the
dogs
out
on
Ashford
Turf
type
grass,
if
you've
got
it
because
it
reaches
temperatures
of
100
degrees.
So
clearly
you
ain't,
gonna,
send
22
chaps
out
or
or,
ladies
out
doing,
the
football
on
on
100
degree
temperature.
I
So
is
there
an
assessment
anywhere
that
gives
us
some
facts
as
decision
makers
that
we
can
look
and
see
the
balance
and
the
rationale
behind
why
AstroTurf
is
is
proposed
and
the
other
point
on
traffic
which
I
think
you
missed,
and
perhaps
this
is
when
you
don't
get
local
people
sort
of
doing
these
plans.
This
is
what
kind
of
comes
through
and
its
Grimes
died
by
the
way,
not
not
Grim's
Dyke,
but
councilor
Anderson
asked
the
question
around
parking
and
what
I
think
you
missed.
H
So
the
initiative,
the
Park
life
initiative,
just
for
getting
back
to
the
surface
the
park
like
initiate
Park
life
initiative,
is
intended
to
be
to
make
sure
that
sporting
facilities
can
be
made
open
year
round.
That
is
the
primary
reason
for,
for
the
astrative
surface
and
and.
H
Foreign,
so
it's
it's
a
national
initiative.
This
isn't
just
for
for
leads
it's
it.
It's
it's
rolled
out
nationally.
The
the
park
life
initiative
lead
seek,
council
is,
is
being
in,
you
know,
receiving
central
government
funding
for
for
this
initiative,
and
it
will
be
for
the
benefit
of
local
teams.
H
With
regards
to
the
surface.
With
this,
this
advantages
and
disadvantages
to
AstroTurf
versus
grass,
as
you've
said
to
yourself
you'd,
probably
have
to
water
grass
pictures
you
know
using
your
water
consumption
has
been
horrendous
recently
with
regards
to
got
a
hose
pipe
band
coming
in
imminently,
if
it's
not
in
already
so.
Therefore,
it's
it's
a
balance.
It's
a
balance
really.
A
Can
I
remind
members,
this
is
a
plans
panel
meeting
where
let
these
people
please
speak
and
I
don't
want
any
hackling
if
with
respect.
Thank
you.
Yes,
sir.
H
Sorry
regarding
parking
is
something
we'd
have
to
discuss
with
the
with
the
transport
Assessor
I
I
can't
say
at
this
moment
in
time:
I'm
fully
your
favorite,
the
excite.
A
Of
the
offside
okay
can
I
just
have
a
pause
for
about
five
minutes
or
so
because
we've
got
an
officer.
Who's
got
to
leave
at
three
o'clock.
So
if
there
are
any
questions
for
this
particular
officer,
Mr
Atkinson
who's,
the
principal
engineer,
is
he
sorry
which
a
lighting
and
Engineers
sorry?
So
if
there
are
any
questions
for
him
before
he
leaves,
will
that
be
okay
with
members
here.
F
I
have
to
plead
ignorance
in
terms
of
floodlighting
and
it's
the
tech
side
of
it.
How
do
the
shades
work
so
that
the
felt
lighting
Only
Hits
the
areas
we're
aiming
for
and
I
guess
for
me.
There's
a
difference
between
that
shining
elsewhere
and
just
being
able
to
see
the
pitch.
M
Okay,
so
the
the
lighting,
the
lighting
Design
Consultants,
that
have
been
used.
They
have
followed
all
recommendations
with
regards
the
the
levels
of
the
lighting
for
that
type
of
facility.
The
the
upwards
light
spillage
wasted,
light,
Etc
and
Shields
and
louvers
can
be
fitted
to
lanterns
and
columns
to
prevent
back
spill
of
light
towards
any
direction.
M
It's
like
a
retrofit
piece
of
Kit
can
be
used
either
fasten
to
the
lantern
or
to
the
column,
and
that's
basically
how
you
prevent
light
spillage,
not
going
where
you
don't
want
it
to
go
that
with
the
type
of
lantern
you
use
in
the
first
place,
which
puts
the
which
puts
the
light
in
a
specific
area.
So
the
the
light
spread
is
forwards,
outwards
downwards,
rather
than
upwards
backwards,
where
you
don't
want
it
now,
looking
at
the
proposals
that
were
put
forward,
everything's
been
followed
within
the
industry
guidelines
and
everything
mitigation.
M
Meth
measures
have
been
put
in
place
time.
Restrictions
will
also
benefit
that,
if
you're
to
ask
me,
are
residents
going
to
be
able
to
see
a
glow?
Yes,
you
can't
say
that
you,
like
you,
write
an
area.
That's
not
lit
in
the
middle
of
an
open
space,
there
will
be
a
glow
but
direct
light
spill
towards
where
it's
not
wanted.
It
has
basically
been
eradicated
by
the
the
lighting
design
itself.
F
Thank
you,
okay,
yeah.
That
is
roughly
what
I
anticipated
in
terms
of
the
tech
I
didn't
know
if
there's
something
fancier
with
floodlights.
So
if
we
got
money
planned
within
the
budget
for
fitting
them
after
the
project
is
completed,
have
we
got
extra
money
to
fit
those
leaves
and
shades
retrospectively?
This
question
come
back.
One
number
two
is
have
we
got.
F
Have
we
had
any
sort
of
reflection
on
on
the
reflectivity
of
the
surfaces
in
terms
of
the
building
materials
we're
using
and
the
impact
that
the
flood
lights
hitting
those
will
have
on
it,
then,
reflecting
back
out
of
the
area
and
then
the
final
question,
just
as
a
little
swervable
is
the
car
park.
Is
that
likely
to
be
lit
a
at
all
and
B?
F
M
Okay,
so
with
with
regarding
funding
for
louvers
Shields,
which
could
potentially
be
retrofit
I'm
here
as
the
lead
City
Council
Street
lighting
engineer,
so
I'm
asked
to
comment
on
planning
issues
that
they
they
allow,
that
lighting
will
never
be
mine.
It
will
it
will.
M
It
will
belong
to
the
development
so
whether
there's
budget
in
there
for
retrofit
louvers
and
shields
I,
don't
honestly
know
you
would
ask
to
ask
them
another
gentleman
at
the
end
reflectivity
off
the
surface,
then
you
know
the
the
light
coming
down
illuminates
the
pictures
you
inevitably
do
get
reflectivity
off
the
surface,
but
the
the
equipment
that's
been
specified
is
to
give
the
right
lighting
levels
for
that
type
of
facility.
M
So
there's
no
I
can't
really
say:
oh
yes,
you'll
get
a
load
of
reflection
or
you'll
get
not
get
a
lot
of
reflection.
It
depends
on
the
color
of
the
grass
or
fake
grasses.
As
you
know,
Stone
reflects
different
to
tarmac,
reflects
different
to
concrete,
but
as
I
say,
that's
the
the
that
reflectivity
on
a
sports
pitch
is
not
my
it's
not
my
area
of
expertise.
M
I've
just
been
asked
to
comment
on
the
lighting
levels
and
the
type
of
equipment
that's
used,
and
then
what
was
this
worth
bar
the
time
of
the
car
park?
Time
of
the
car
park?
Okay,
yeah.
M
So
obviously,
if
people
will
finish
playing
so
the
the
the
pitch
is
the
flood
Lighting
on
the
pitches
can
be
can
be
knocked
off
at
whatever
time
the
the
curfew
is,
but
obviously,
after
the
game,
you've
got
people
we'll
be
using
the
facility
and
or
finishing
getting
changed
and
then
wanting
to
get
safely
to
the
cars.
M
So
there
is
inevitably
going
to
be
some
you
use
or
need
for
lighting
after
the
floodlights
go
to
finish
to
you
know,
to
allow
safe
passage
to
the
to
the
vehicles
that
they've
used
to
get
there
in
the
first
place,
they're
not
taught
I
believe
they
are
yes.
A
But
I'm
only
taking
questions
at
this
stage
for
Mr
Atkinson,
so
I've
got
counselor,
Lam
and
then
comes
to
sorry.
Counselor
Stevenson
did
you
did
you
want
to
come
back
yeah
just
yeah
I've
got
you
and
then
I've
got
cancer
Anderson
and
then
a
councilor
Flint
has
been
waiting
for
some
time
but
I'm
sure
your
question
was
to
to
the
agent
right
so
yeah
Council.
I
Stephen
thanks
yeah
on
lighting
count
around
hasn't
made
a
good
point
earlier
that
we
haven't
seen
the
drawings
around
how
this
impacts
and
that
would
have
been
quite
useful
from
CGI
side.
So
from
a
licing
point
of
view.
I'm
looking
at
the
pictures
here
is
it
just:
does
the
front
of
lighting
go
all
four
sides
of
the
pitch.
M
Sorry,
yes,
the
the
you've
liked
it
from
music
to
get
decent
Quality
Lighting
you
like
from
them
all
all
all
sides
to
give
to
give
that
uniform
levels.
That's
needed
for
spots
activities.
I
In
which
case
all
the
lighting
would
be
directed
north,
where
there's
no
residential
housing,
because
the
problem
is
at
the
minute
you
talk
about
that
plates,
which
is
perfect
for
the
southern
position
lights,
but
the
problem
is
for
the
residents
who
were
overlooking
it
they're
then
looking
directly
into
the
northern
lights
they're
facing
them,
so
the
back
plates
aren't
going
to
stop
anything.
So
can
you
just
put
it
on
one
side
and
the
lumen's
strong
enough
to
light
the
whole
pitch.
M
The
simple
answer
to
that
is:
can
you
yes,
would
it
work?
No,
you
like
a
sports
pitch
from
all
sides
so
that
the
so
the
the
level
the
levels
that
are
on
there
are
uniform
for
the
for
the
players.
If
I,
if
I
like
to
Broad
I,
can
light
a
road
from
one
side
or
the
other
side
or
a
staggered
Arrangement,
but
if
you're
liking
the
sports
pitch,
it's
it's
it's
to
get
that
overall,
consistent
lighting
level,
so
Sports
can
be
played
safely.
J
J
The
effect
is
because
in
my
area,
we've
got
a
lot
of
floodlights
for
various
things
and
after
a
while,
you
don't
actually
notice
them
to
be
if
they
don't,
if
the
truth
be
told
and
I
think,
maybe
it's
the
fear
of
what
might
occur
and
if
we
were
able
to
say
to
them.
Well,
if
you
go
to
such
a
such
a
location,
you'll
see
it
in
situ
and
you'll
see
how
controlled
it
is.
J
Are
you
aware
of
any
place
where
residents
could
go
and
look
and
see
this
type
of
lighting
and
the
way
the
pictures
are
lit
up.
M
I
suppose
you
could
pick
any
illuminated
Sports
pitch,
but
you
can't
pick
one
like
this
one,
because
this
one
is
four
pictures.
This
High
sat
this
far
down
in
the
in
the
landscape,
any
any
illuminated
Sports
pitch.
You
could
go
to
any
illuminated,
Sports
Picks
and
that's
I'm,
not
talking
about
that's
just
been
lit
with
Road
lighting
like
one
of
the
multi-games
centers
that
are
in
a
park,
but
any
any
Loop
any
professional
semi-professional
illuminated
Sports
pitch
would
give
you
the
same.
K
You
councilam
thank
you,
chair,
yeah,
I'm,
there's
two
parts
to
this
phone
I'm
from
what
councilor
Bethel
was
saying,
which
is
I'm,
trying
I'm
trying
to
get
my
head
around
what
the
the
change
in
lived
experience
will
be
for
people
that
live
close
by
and
a
concern
from
your
answers.
Not
a
criticism.
M
I
mean
I'll
I'll,
like
all
I
can
say,
is
that
you
know
if
this.
If
this
is
an
area
that
wasn't
lit
and
is
now
going
to
be
late,
you
are
obviously
going
to
notice
a
difference
from
the
from
the
law.
I
can't
say
how
that
would
affect
these.
Ladies
and
gentlemen
behind
me
because
depends
on
the
angle
of
their
their
house
too.
The
to
the
lighting
depends
on
what
their
usual
view
usual
view.
Is
it's
it's
it's.
It
said,
sort
of
an
impossible
question
to
answer
them.
I'm,
sorry,.
A
G
Thank
you
chair.
We
have
had
examples
before
of
lighting
for
headingly
cricket,
ground
and
Leeds
leads
rhinos
and
those
venues
are
surrounded
by
housing
in
the
headwind
area
on
all
four
sides,
and
there
was
protest
against
it,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
go
to
watch
cricket
and
rhinos
regularly
and
really
there
isn't
any
issue
from
local
people.
We
don't
get
any
complaints
if
you
go
down
the
road,
a
bit
coaxial
Lane
to
cookstall
desachi
golden,
which
is
a
rugby.
G
Oh,
by
the
way
it
has
synthetic
surface
as
well
and
Leeds
rhinos
play
on
it
during
the
flood,
it's
in
2015
who
totally
destroyed
and
they
had
to
relayed
it.
So
professional
rugby
players
seem
very
happy
playing
on
it.
Although
I
will
say,
Emerald
stadium
is
natural
grass
and
that's
about
just
playing
rugby.
If
you
go
up
to
the
top,
then
we'll
be
talking
about
a
higher
level
and
you
look
up
Beckett
Park.
G
They
have
a
ruling
track
and
they
have
some
sports
facilities
on
Leeds,
Metropolitan
University
and
that's
at
a
very
high
level,
one
highly
where
I
live.
When
I
come
down.
Past
Scots
Park
I
can
clearly
see
it
on
the
horizon
and
there's
actually
not
much
way
of
of
stopping
it.
So
it's
it's
a
higher
level,
but
we've
dealt
with
these
all
the
time
and
they
usually
can
be
controlled,
and
you
know
I
think
you
know.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
we
should
recognize
that
and
we
we
have
listened
to
people.
G
As
you
know,
our
chair,
City
plans,
panel
and
I,
was
there
for
the
lights
on
the
new
headingley
Stadium
rebuild,
and
all
these
questions
were
answered
to
the
satisfaction
upon
us
and
indeed
they've
been
operation
now
some
years
and
we
don't
get
much
come
back
from
local
people.
So
perhaps
I'm
saying
maybe
the
concerns
are
a
little
bit
premature
and
maybe
after
a
while,
they
simply
won't
notice
it
like
I,
don't
know
this
or
where
I
live
and
cook.
So.
A
Thank
you
for
that
comes
from
McKenna
if
there
aren't
any
other
questions
for
Mr
Atkinson.
Thank
you
for
for
your
time
and
do
apologize
that
you're
five
minutes
late.
So
can
we
now
come
back
to
the
age
and
Council
Flint.
C
Thank
you
just
got
a
couple
of
questions.
C
C
Do
the
benefits
of
getting
more
people
exercising
and
involved
in
sport
kind
of
outweigh
the
use
of
plastic
in
a
climate
emergency
that
the
council
had
declared,
so
that's
kind
of
what
we're
wrestling
with
and
so
I
just
want
to
understand
a
little
bit
more
like
do.
You
know
how
many
more
matches
can
be
played
with
the
astro
turf
and
also
just
about
the
maintenance
of
it?
Obviously
they
have
like
a
lifespan.
So
how
long
would
one
of
these
pitches
last
for
and
then?
C
How
would
it
be
disposed
of
you
know?
Is
there
any
a
recycling
possible?
You
know
where
is
all
that
plastic
going
to
go
and
how
long
do
they
last
so
long
term?
You
know
we've
got
to
decide.
Is
this
a
good?
C
Do
the
benefits
of
of
getting
people
exercising
our
way?
The
extra
plastic
that's
going
to
be
involved,
and
also
along,
like
that?
Getting
more
people
involved
in
sport,
like
are
the
right
people
gonna
be
using
this,
so
you
know
there's
obviously
a
big
car
park,
so
people
coming
from
outside
you
talked
about
getting
50
of
local
people
using
the
pictures.
C
So
is
that
already
in
place
like
has
there
been
engagement
with
schools
and
use
groups
and
girls
groups
particularly
like
how
does
that
work-
and
you
know
I
know
from
like
my
kids
using
these
pictures?
It's
not
cheap.
So
is
there
subsidies
in
place
to
get
people
using
the
pictures
that
might
struggle
to
afford
it,
and
you
know
I'm
I'm
struggling
with
the
consultation
question
as
well,
and
just
wonder
you
know
it's
not
that
difficult
to
announce
a
meeting
in
the
next
next
few
weeks
for
the
residents,
so
would.
C
Is
that
something
that
you're
willing
to
do,
because
it
just
seems
you
can't
do
this
without
really
engaging
and
listening
to
the
residents
and
addressing
all
their
concerns.
So
could
you
please
hold
a
meeting?
Thank
you.
H
So
I've
just
again
just
trying
to
get
my
pieces
of
paper
in
place,
so
the
information
I
have
in
front
of
me
with
regards
to
the
pictures.
The
high
quality
consistent
playing
system
with
playing
service
is
the
ideal
environment
to
play
the
game
and
for
young
people
to
learn
with
regards
to
maintenance
programs.
H
Pictures
can
be
heavily
used
all
year
round
with
no
decline
in
quality,
and
it
says
that
they
almost
completely
negate
fixture
cancellations
during
winter
months,
helping
football
to
be
a
key
part
of
regular
physical
activity
habits
in
2019
in
the
2019
playing
season,
9641
Community
football
matches
were
called
off
due
to
poor
pitch
quality
in
West
riding.
That's
150,
000
Games
canceled
in
England,
so
that
it
does
have
a
significant
impact
on
the
ability
to
to
play
sports
in
regards
to
lifespan.
I.
H
Don't
actually
have
that
those
figures
to
hand,
unfortunately,
but
something
we
can
find
out
in
terms
of
the
right
people.
That's
been
extensive.
Research
done
by
I
believe
it's
active
leads
they've
pulled
together,
a
chart
which
I
did
refer
to
in
the
original
presentation.
With
regards
to
anticipated
usage
clubs
that
have
already
expressed
interest,
whether
they've
been
it's
I
I
would
highly
suspect
they've
been
in
touch
with
schools.
I
I
can't
speak
on
behalf
of
active
leads,
unfortunately,
but
in
terms
of
affordability
it
again.
H
This
is
not
a
profit-making
venture.
It's
it's
purely
meant
to
be
self-sustaining
in
any
any
profit
is
going
to
be
reinvested
back
into
sporting
facilities
and
leads,
and
with
regards
to
consultation
again
at
some
I
would
have
I'd
speak
to
the
client
representative
when
they're
available
with
regards
to,
under
the
consultation,
okay,.
C
C
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
just
wanted
to
do
all
the
pictures
have
to
be
artificial
for
the
project
to
be
viable
long
term,
and
one
of
the
concerns
seems
to
be
the
products
used
for
the
infill
of
the
artificial
pitch
I.
Believe
there's
organic
materials
available
for
infill
have
they
been
explored.
H
H
It's
not
to
say
we
can't
have
a
conversation
with
with
the
sport
England
and
the
and
active
leads
to
establish
whether
one
or
two
could
be
grass
I.
I
I.
Don't
have
that
that
information
on
me
in
terms
of
the
actual
3G
pitch
itself
as
I,
say,
I
think
what
that
one
of
the
war
members
did
read
out
the
position
statement
from
sport.
England
says
it's:
it's
not
deleterious
to
health,
there's
no
evidence
of
it,
but
regards
to
recycling
it's
something
we
could.
C
It
is
environmentally
more
friendlier,
isn't
it
than
artificial
anyway,
but
in
terms
of
it
would
be
interesting
to
know
what
the
financial
position
would
be
in
terms
of
viability
if
there
were
other
options
with
maybe
having
to
grasp
pictures
or
three
grass
pitches
I'm,
just
interested
to
know
what
the
use
is
throughout
the
year
of
artificial
pictures
and
whether
it's
consistent
throughout
the
year,
because
I'm
sure
matches
are
also
canceled
due
to
poor
weather,
whether
it's
on
artificial
or
grass
pitches,
so
I
think
it'd
be
handy
to
have
more
information
about
usage
and
again
about
the
viability
and
even
if
it
means
half
and
half
with
the
pitches,
just
look
at
options,
so
you
know
we
have
moral
understanding
of
it.
F
Thank
you.
I
also
have
a
range
of
questions,
some
of
which
you
may
have
to
take
away.
F
So
there's
there's
been
talk
in
the
report
about
these
10
football
teams
who
are
willing
to
use
it
for
their
training
and
I
just
want
to
know
how
much
our
sustainability
model
is
based
on
this,
in
the
sense
that
actually,
the
the
the
likelihood
of
two
or
three
football
teams
trading
in
the
same
place
on
the
same
night,
because
there's
only
seven
days
in
a
week
and
obviously
you
also
need
to
take
out
match
days
because
you're
not
gonna,
have
people
trading
on
their
match
days.
F
Normally,
it's
gonna
mean
that
they're
going
to
double
up,
which
means
they're
going
to
be
looking
at
similar
groups
of
people
to
form
the
teams,
so
I'm
just
I'm
just
wondering
whether
or
not
actually
we
need
to
be
thinking
more
along
the
lines
of
aiming
for
one
football
team
to
train
there
a
night
in
order
for
our
sustainability
plans
to
work
out
and
I.
Just
if
you've
got
any
thoughts
around
that.
That
would
be
really
helpful
for
me
to
understand.
F
F
For
example,
there's
talk
in
the
report
of
the
the
contamination
and
avoiding
contamination
on
the
pitches
from
The
Wider
area,
but
very
little
about
the
contamination
of
the
pictures
elsewhere.
Now
I
played
rugby
on
a
rubber
crumb
surface
at
University,
badly
I
might
add
and
it
gets
everywhere
and
you
end
up
taking
it
everywhere
with
you
on
the
way
home.
F
So
actually
there's
going
to
be
quite
a
spread
of
this
rubber
crumb
going
away
on
each
of
the
players,
which
obviously
would
be
safer
if
it
was
sand
rather
than
rubber
crumb.
So
can
you
give
me
an
indication
of
the
mitigations
we've
got
for
that.
F
I
have
a
a
similar
Venture
in
my
ward
and
there's
real
issues
with
people
breaking
into
play
when
it's
closed
and
at
night,
and
actually
the
fences
don't
necessarily
stop
them
as
effectively
as
we
might
hope
so,
I'm
interested
in
what
ways
we're
going
to
ensure
that
there
isn't
that
ASB
element
coming
in.
F
Could
you
give
me
an
indication-
and
this
is
one
of
the
laundry
mats
take
away
rather
than
answer
here
on
what
the
difference
in
cost
of
Astro
to
build
and
maintain
would
be
versus
grass
with
a
drainage
system
and
maintenance,
because
actually
there
are
ways
to
avoid
grass
pictures
having
issues
with
water
logging
and
on
a
similar
note,
can
you
give
me
an
indication
of
the
difference
in
infiltration
rate
between
AstroTurf
and
grass?
F
It
talked
about
the
current
area,
being
a
learning
environment
and
actually,
if
it's
previously
been
agricultural
land
I'm
interested.
If
we
have
any
indication
of
who's
using
the
land.
F
Now,
as
a
learning
environment,
one
of
the
objections
talked
about
it
and
I
can't
I
can't
think
what
it
would
be
being
used
as
really
and
then
on
a
similar
thing
was
it
actually
accessible
to
the
public
when
it
was
farmed
any
more
than
it
would
be
with
the
new
thing
and
finally,
the
toilets
in
there
can
we
have
confirmation
that
they
will
all
be
gender
neutral.
Please.
H
So
we'll
start
with
these
ones,
there
will
be
gender
neutral,
toilets
in
terms
of
the
learning
environment.
Now
it's
not
something
I'm
able
to
comment
on,
but
I
believe
there
is
a
public
footpath
through
the
site
now
and
that
will
be
maintained
in
and
there
will
be
another
one
that
is
so
it's
more
permeable,
I
I
don't
have
statistics
on
infiltration
rates
to
hand.
Unfortunately,
but
it's
something
we
can.
We
can
look
into
and
I
don't
I,
don't
have
the
costs
for
the
the
difference
between
grass
pitches
and
astrative
to
hand.
H
Unfortunately,
with
regards
to
break
into
an
anti-social,
Behavior
I
think
if
you
compare
it
to
the
previous
scheme,
which
was
open
grass
playing
fields,
the
what
I
think
what
lead
city
council
have
found
in
the
past
in
order
to
protect
those,
what
they
found
is
a
lot.
They
have
anti-social
behavior
on
those
pitches,
if
they're
not
fenced,
and
that
happens
regularly.
H
H
With
regards
to
the
maintaining
rubber
crumb
on
on
the
pictures
themselves,
there
are
boot
cleaning
facilities
within
within
the
within
the
the
pictures
themselves,
so
you're
not
bringing
rubber
Chrome
off-site.
So
they
are
boot,
washing,
there's
channels
around
the
perimeter
of
the
pictures
to
stop
the
rubber
crumb,
leaving
the
boundary
of
the
pitch
itself,
and
there
will
be
up
stands
to
prevent
rubber
crumb
leaching
off
the
off
the
surface
and
I
I.
H
Couldn't
give
you
an
attic
personally
of
regarding
the
two
teams
playing
simultaneously,
but
it's
something
we
can
pick
up
with
was
active,
leads
and
Sport
England.
F
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
for
your
answers.
I
think
the
one
I
just
want
to
come
back
on
quickly
is
the
rubber
crumb
being
taken
off
boot.
Cleaning
is
great,
but
I
cannot
get
across
just
how
much
it
goes
literally
everywhere.
F
Boot
cleaning
won't
be
enough
to
mean
that
that
rubber
crumb
does
stay
specifically
where
we
want
it,
and
I
really
really
think
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
putting
something
in
place,
so
maybe
searching
other
parts
of
the
country
to
find
out
what
works
for
them
so
that
it's
not
being
taken
taken
off
site.
Thank
you.
D
This
might
actually
turned
into
a
question
for
the
office,
but
we'll
ask
the
question,
because
we've
talked
about
this
rubber
Chrome
quite
a
lot,
but
it's
a
really
actually
quite
fundamental
question:
the
funding
from
Park
life.
Does
it
require
it
to
be
throw
turf
or
does
it
give
flexibility?
Because
if
the
funding
is
specifically
linked
to
an
AstroTurf
surface,
then
we've
had
a
lot
of
conversation
about
something
which
actually
makes
very
little
difference.
Because
if
we
decline
it,
then
the
money
doesn't
come.
So
can
someone
just
clarify
if
possible?
A
Thank
you.
I
can't
see
anyone
else
indicating
before
I
bring
the
officers.
Shall
we
have
a
10
minutes,
Comfort
break
yeah
yeah.
Thank
you.
B
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
Chad.
This
is
just
to
address
some
of
the
the
comments
have
been
raised
during
the
during
the
questions
and
it
might
help
set
a
bit
of
the
context
in
terms
of
where
members
want
to
go
with
this
particular
application.
B
The
first
thing
I
wanted
to
just
touch
upon
was
the
discussion
in
around
about
the
the
use
of
astro
turf
and
the
artificial
surface,
and
the
impact
that
that
has
on
the
house
it.
It
takes
me
back
a
little
bit
to
the
to
the
debates
that
we
used
to
have
at
plans
panel
about
telecommunications
masks
and
the
implications
of
Health.
That
came
from
that.
B
So
that's
not
really
an
area
that
we
can.
We
can
go
into
in
terms
of
the
nature,
the
precise
nature
of
the
playing
surface.
Again,
it's
not
really
a
matter
for
for
planning
to
be
involved
in
terms
of
whether
they
use
sand
or
whether
they
use
rubber
chippings.
That's
an
operational
once
you
take
the
health
aspect
out
of
it.
That's
really
an
operational
aspect.
We've
got
no
evidence
in
before
us,
so
we
we've
got
no
expertise
to
advise
on
the
sustainability
of
that.
B
But
I
think
that
debate
is
really
very
much
in
the
margins,
especially
when
you
have
regard
to
the
fact
that
these
sort
of
planes
surfaces
are
used
throughout
the
city,
but
I
perfectly
understand
where
members
are
coming
from,
because
it's
your
questions
are
very
much
aimed
at
getting
a
betterment
in
terms
of
the
nature
of
the
facility
and
just
testing.
What's
what's
before
us
in
terms
of
the
acceptability
of
that,
so
that
that
moves
on
to
the
the
issue
in
terms
of
the
consultation.
B
In
this,
it's
clear
that
the
applicant
did
too,
although
it
was
constrained
by
the
circumstances,
exists
at
the
time
consultation
prior
to
the
application
coming
in,
because
they
did
that
in
November
the
application
came
in
December
they've
done
their
Flyers.
This
is
what
members
are
going
to
have
regard
to.
B
That's
that's
a
difficult
one
for
us,
but
in
light
of
the
strength
of
the
feeling
and
I've
heard
that
the
applications
come
from,
City
development
I
will
raise
will
raise
his
matters
with
a
director
of
City
development,
Martin
farinson
for
him
to
take
forward
and
we'll
pass
on
the
strength
of
the
patterns
panel,
feeling
no
matter
what
the
outcome
of
this
particular
decision.
The
consideration
in
this
particular
application
is
is
today
so
I
think
that
just
really
covers
off
the
main.
The
main
points
that
I
wanted
to
cover.
B
A
Thank
you,
David.
That
was
really
helpful.
Any
members
have
any
questions
for
officer
or
officers
Tulum.
K
I
I'm,
probably
straight
into
comments
and
proposing
a
way
forward
to
be
honest,
chair
because
I
I
I,
say
you're
quite
frustrated
and
I
get
the
same
sense
around
the
table,
particularly
as
this
is
an
application
by
Leeds
city
council,
as
I'm
embarrassed
that
we
are
not
being
the
Exemplar
in
how
to
bring
something
like
this
forward
and
how
to
engage
with
the
community
and
and
do
things
properly
so
I
feel
we've
heard
too
much
this
morning.
We
don't
have
that
information
to
answer
this
afternoon.
We
don't
have
that
information.
K
We
don't
have
the
answer
to
that
question
and
clearly
there's
this
is
something
that's
being
done
to
the
community
rather
than
with
them,
and
so
my
proposal
chair
is
that
we
defer
this
for
a
cycle,
but
with
specific
purposes
one
for
the
client
will
call
them
to
properly
engage
with
the
community
and
come
back
on
the
specific
issues.
I
think
that
are
lacking,
so
consultation
is
one
parking.
Is
one
floodlights
and
The
Wider
lighting
impact.
So
it's
not
just
about
the
impact
of
the
floodlights
but
the
whole
sites.
K
The
lifespan
of
the
astro
turf
I
accept
what
David
said.
It's
not
for
us
to
consider
what
the
surface
is.
I
think
it
is
for
us
to
consider
what
the
lifespan
is.
What
the
impact
is
on
the
climate
emergency
then,
and
what
the
recycling
opportunities
are.
I
think
that
is
something
for
us
to
consider.
K
Accessibility
in
community
use
and
I
think
we've
heard
the
answer
that
no
it
can't
we've
got
to
consider
it's
it's
astro
turf,
it
approve
or
don't
approve
others,
and
we
can
consider
whether
it's
grass
or
not,
but
that
would
be
my
proposal
chair,
that
we
defer
it
so
that
those
things
can
take
place
and
we
can
have
the
community
can
get
the
consultation
it
should
have
had
and
we
can
have
the
information
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
make
a
decision.
A
Before
I
take
your
proposal,
councilor
McKenna,
you
were
showing
interest
to
speak.
G
I
was
chair
and
I'm
still
asking
the
question:
I'm
sorry,
which
obviously
an
important
one
to
me
before
we
go
into
yours
and
it's
to
Andrew,
hi
Andrew.
You've
had
an
easy
afternoon.
So
far,
is
the
community
facilities
available
for
local
community
or
is
it
from?
Is
it
just
for
football
related
thing,
because
it
seems
to
me
that
it
would
be
very
valuable
for
local
people,
local
communities
to
gather
and
discuss
things?
And
basically
that's
my
question
is
yes
or
no
you'll
be
really
in
it?.
B
Yes,
the
answer
is,
is
yes,
my
understanding.
Is
it
for
the
open
to
the
local
community,
so
people
can
go
there,
have
a
coffee
and
walk
around
the
park
in
general,
as
I
mentioned
in
my
presentation,
there
are
two
meeting
rooms
in
the
building
as
well,
so
they
could
be
used,
for
you
know
relatively
small
scale,
Community
functions,
meetings
and
so
on
as
well.
D
Sorry
yeah,
it's
a
question
part.
Is
it
he's
picking
up
a
question
question
counselor
Anderson
asked
earlier
of
the
age
and
just
in
relation
to
parking
on
the
southern
side
of
the
site.
We've
heard
that
actually
in
in
a
perfect
world
everyone's
going
to
go
to
the
car
park,
but
what
what
what
mitigation
measures
are
highways
proposing,
if
any
around
any
incidental
parking
towards
the
south
of
the
site,
people
using
the?
What's
on
the
map
indicators
of
the
blue
foot
path
into
the
site?
It
causes
interconnectivity.
D
So
what
kind
of
mitigation
measures
are
proposed
to
try
and
help
residents
in
that
area?
Not
have
a
lot
of
unintentional
parking.
C
Okay,
so
currently
there
are
some
restrictions
associated
with
the
school
and
nursery
on
all
sort
of
Lane.
At
the
moment
we
haven't
requested
any
additional
parking
controls
along
our
sort
of
Lane.
However,
it's
something
that
we
could
it's
it's
quite
difficult
to
predict
how
much
they
would
be
on
the.
E
Of
a
monitoring
of
any
uniformity,
so
if
it
is
problematic,
we
could
then
take
measures
to
control
it.
I
Thank
you,
chair,
I
had
a
a
very
very
long,
almost
as
long
as
Council
Anderson's
list
of
questions
to
officers,
but
I
was
just
looking
around
the
room
as
councilor
Lambert.
His
motion
and
I
think
I
get
a
sense
that
actually
many
of
my
questions
may
be
answered
with
further
information
provided
if
we
were
to
defer
and
also
I'd,
have
more
questions
so
I
think
I'd
rather
leave
them
until
the
appropriate
time
when
it
comes
back.
So
in
that
Spirit
I'll
formally
move
to
Second
Council
arms
motion.
I
A
Right,
if
this
is
the
case,
any
anyone
who's
in
favor
of
cancer
Lam's
proposal,
Council
Stevenson,
who
just
seconded.
C
So,
just
to
jump
in
because
Council
alarm,
you
have
suggested
a
new
motion
which
differs
from
that
in
the
officer
report.
If
you
want
to
sort
of
just
lay
that
out
again
for
us
and
then
Council
Stevenson,
if
you're
prepared.
Second,
that
will
vote
first
of
all
on
whether
everyone
is
happy
for
this
new
motion
to
come
to
the
table
and
then
vote
on
the
motion
itself.
K
Thank
you,
so
my
motion
is
that
we
defer
this
item
for
a
cycle
to
enable
proper
consultation
to
take
place
with
the
local
community
and
War
members
and
to
get
more
information
back
around
the
parking
issues
around
the
impact
of
the
floodlights
and
The
Wider
lighting,
the
impact
of
the
the
astro
turf
and
what
its
lifespan
is.
What
the
impact
of
that
is
on
the
the
climate
plans
to
mitigate
the
the
rubber
crumb
going
all
over
just
get
confirmation
about
accessibility
and
Community
use.
So
that's
my
motion,
chair.
B
B
I'm
afraid,
from
my
perspective,
I
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that
question.
Although
I
do
know
that
there
is
pressure
on
to
resolve
the
application
as
quickly
as
possible,
but
I
don't
know
whether
the
applicants
have
any
further
information
on
that.
D
D
I
think,
which
is
what
asking
for
certain
specifics
to
be
clarified,
is
that
what
I'm
reading
from
the
room,
because
I
think
if
the
concern
is
that
from
the
applicants
point
of
view
in
this
case
the
Thunder's
point
of
view,
part
I've,
got
to
know
the
organization
now
then,
actually
you
park
like
there,
we
go.
Thank
you
actually,
if
we're
given
an
indication
that
actually
it's
approval
in
principle,
subject
to
specific
qualifications
in
terms
of
questions
that
we
haven't
had
answered,
or
are
we
not
not
as
stage
I'd
obviously
beat
your
proposal?
D
I
I
If
you're
now
saying
to
us
within
one
cycle,
you
cannot
provide
the
information
we've
asked
for
then
you
were
premature,
bringing
it
to
us
today
anyway,
so
I
think,
on
the
basis
of
what's
being
said
and
councilor
Lam's
motion,
I
will
formally
second
I
think
we
should
move
in
the
way
that
the
legal
advisors
suggested.
A
If
I
may
just
add
more
one
more
thing
and
I
was
going
to
ask
this
earlier
on,
and
you
know
it's
all
right
to
say
after
it
is
taken
two
years,
but
what
we
got
to
understand.
A
We
have
been
through
a
pandemic,
which
obviously
has
been
difficult
for,
for,
for
many
of
us,
I
mean
I
can
understand
the
frustration
from
some
members,
but
I
also
understand
that
some
of
the
deprived
areas
surrounding
this
particular
locations-
some
of
these
young
people,
don't
get
the
same
opportunity
not
only
in
education
but
also
in
sports
facilities
as
well.
So
I
mean
when
we
talk
about
these
sort
of
localities.
We're
not
just
talking
about
this
particular
area,
we're
also
talking
about
places
like
Halton
Moore,
which
is
not
far
away
from
from
this
location.
A
Seacroft,
gibton
and
Hare
Hills
I
mean
two
months
ago
we
approved
a
small
sort
of
well-being
Center
in
fernville,
so
it
shows
I
mean
one
of
the
questions
I
asked
this
morning
was:
do
we
know
how
many
football
pitches
are
surrounding
this
particular
barrier
and
I
think
the
answer
was?
Was
we
were
not
clear,
but
also
what
I
know
from
my
day
job
some
of
the
primary
schools
in
Crossgate?
There
are
in
the
heart
of
the
some
of
the
councilor
States,
not
with
the
I,
don't
think
so.
A
They've
got
their
own
football
pitches
surrounding
them,
so
I'm,
just
I'm,
just
thinking
I'm
loud
here
I
mean
I,
don't
want
to
miss
an
opportunity
for
those
young
people,
male
and
female.
Unfortunately,
I
don't
have
these
facilities
in
my
neck
of
the
wood,
you
know
if
I
would
have
had,
I
would
have
spoken
out
and
I
would
definitely
would
have
supported
any
sort
of
sports
facility
for
our
local
people,
not
only
for
the
young,
but
also
for
for
for
working
people
who
can
take
more
facility.
A
But
again,
this
is
not
planning
a
issue,
but
it's
something
that
I
feel
that
we
need
to
be.
You
know
absolutely
serious.
We
and
we
we've
heard
from
the
objectives
and
we
I
have
I,
have
every
single
sympathy
with
every
single
person
who
has
came
to
this
room,
but
also
I
have
some
sort
of
sympathy
for
for
our
young
people.
A
These
people
are
the
future
of
our
city
and
of
our
of
our
nation
as
well
so
better
in
mind,
and
if
you
feel
willing
to
move
your
motion
legally
I'm
obliged
to
take
the
vote
and
and
move
on
with
it.
C
No,
that's
fine,
so
we've
got
counselor.
Stevenson
is
now
second
in
that
motion.
So
if
we
can
just
vote
that
you're
all
happy
for
this
motion
to
come
to
the
table
or
not
and
then
vote
on
the
actual
motion
itself.
A
Right
taking
counselor
Stevenson's
motion
started
councilman's
motion
second
by
councilor
Stevenson
for.
A
C
A
So,
looking
at
the
office
recommendation,
all
in
favor.
A
A
That,
if
you
want
to
just
finalize
the
agenda,
sorry
yeah.
B
Thank
you
chair
just
then,
to
confirm
that
members
have
deferred
consideration
the
application.
This
is
to
allow
further
consultation
to
be
undertaken
by
the
applicants,
public
consultation
to
be
undertaken
by
the
applicants
for
further
information
respective
parking
issues,
further
information
to
be
presented
in
respect
to
wider
impacts
of
the
flood
lighting,
further
information
in
terms
of
the
nature
of
the
playing
surface,
it's
lifespan,
sustainability
of
of
it
and
the
implications
of
the
rubber
crumb
as
it
were,
and
the
further
information
in
terms
of
community
use
and
accessibility
of
the
facility.
K
So
just
one
clarification
David
just
referred
to
the
impact
of
the
flood
lighting.
The
motion
was
about
the
flood
lighting
and
the
the
lighting
of
the
site
as
a
whole.
J
A
Okay,
thank
you
item
nine
date
and
the
time
of
the
next
meeting
will
be
Thursday
the
22nd
of
September
2022.
That
concludes
business
of
today's
meeting.
Thank
you
all
for
attendance
and
contributions.
I
now
declare
this
meeting
to
be
closed.
Thank
you.