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Afternoon,
chair
members,
staple
the
group
manager
for
south
and
west
lead
officer
for
the
south
and
west
planspal,
and
also
for
one
performance.
Only
today's
presenting
officer.
D
Good
afternoon,
everyone,
ahmed
renaid
highways
officer.
J
Thank
you,
chair
under
agenda
item
one.
There
are
no
appeals
against
the
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents.
Agenda
item
two:
there
are
no
items
which
require
the
exclusion
of
the
press
on
public
under
gender
item
three.
There
are
no
late
items
of
business
and
there
has
been
some
presentation
slides
passed
around
to
members,
as
I
believe
that
they
have
been
revised
from
the
set
that
you
originally
received
under
agenda
item
four,
could
I
ask
members
to
declare
any
interest
they
may
have
I'll
take
silence
as
there
are
none
and
under
gender
item
5?
A
A
Can
we
now
move
to
item
7
oppose
new
g
3g
pitch
and
tennis
court
associated
with
fence
up
to
4.4
meter
ice
former
leeds
golf
course:
gypsy
lane
beast
and
members
can
and
remember
that
this
application
came
to
us
back
in
july.
So
I
will
and
over
to
our
chief
officer,
who
will
be
the
presenting
officer
for
the
day.
C
C
Just
by
way
of
introduction,
this
application
seeks
the
full
planning
for
a
new
3g
pitch
and
tennis
courts
and
associated
fencing
up
to
4.5
meters
in
height
on
the
land
directly
to
the
south
of
the
coburn
high
school,
and
that
was
part
of
the
former
south
lead
golf
course.
Just
across
gypsy
lane.
C
Beast
members
will
recall
that
the
application
was
presented
previously
to
the
south
and
west
plans
panels
a
position
statement
on
the
7th
of
july
at
last
panel,
and
that
was
for
information
and
comment
and
just
to
remind
members
of
the
proposal
and
the
context,
I
will
run
through
some
of
the
old
slides
and
some
of
the
new
ones
and
I'm
going
to
apologize
in
advance
for
what
might
be
a
long-winded
presentation,
but
there's
a
lot
of
issues
and
at
the
end
of
it
I
also
have
a
number
of
updates.
C
I
need
to
make
members
aware
of
some
coming
as
late
as
about
half
an
hour
ago,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
do
so
so
on
this
particular
slide
here,
which
is
the
aerial
photograph
of
the
location
immediately
to
the
east
of
the
site,
is
a
small
area
of
regenerated
golf
course.
Whoops.
Sorry,
something
like
let's
go
back!
This
is
probably
why
they
don't.
Let
me
do
this
very
often,
so
that's
there,
then
to
the
south,
as
you
can
see
on.
C
This
is
a
larger
area
of
the
regenerated
golf
course
appearing
as
grassland
punctuated
by
trees,
which
have
formally
lined
the
the
golf
course
to
the
west
is
a
residential
area.
C
C
The
ghost
course
which
ceased
to
operate
over
two
years
ago
you
can
see
there
is
indicating
red,
has
been
subsumed
into
the
wider
middleton
park
estate.
C
Although
there's
a
long-term
strategy
for
the
improvement
of
the
middleton
park
estate,
the
site,
the
subject
of
this
application
was
specifically
excluded
from
this
when
it
was
first
drafted
and
for
context
and
say
the
red
line
indicates
the
application
site,
the
brown
area,
the
redundant
golf
course
and
the
black,
the
the
middleton
park
estate
in
its
entirety
and
again
for
context
the
application
site,
which
is
the
red
bits.
C
This
close-up
aerial
photograph
shows
the
relationship
of
the
application
site
to
corbin's
school
and
the
existing
playing
pill.
So
you
can
see
it's
immediately
adjacent
and
across
gypsy
lane
to
the
south,
and
you
can
see
on
the
top
to
top
right
the
the
existing
playing
fields.
What
that
photograph
doesn't
show,
unfortunately,
is
that
there
is
a
3g
pitch.
That's
been
constructed
approximately
10
years
ago
in
that
location
there.
C
This
is
no
photograph,
sadly,
which
becomes
relevant
later,
because
one
of
the
issues
in
terms
of
the
alternative
locations
which
were
discussed
at
some
length
last
time,
the
the
construction
of
that,
if
you
were
to
accept
the
size
of
the
new
pitch,
that's
proposed.
C
That
then
precludes
the
development
on
this
area
if
for
no
other
reason
because
of
the
remaining
area
left.
But
there
is
also
some
history,
that's
contained
within
the
report
that
gives
again
background
and
some
issues
in
terms
of
developing
that
site,
regardless
of
the
drainage
issues
that
were
discussed
at
some
point
at
some
length
last
time.
C
Now
this
slide
shows
a
view
across
the
side
west
to
east,
and
you
can
see
quite
clearly
that.
Well
I
understand
it
because
I
used
to
be
a
golfer,
although
some
might
question
that,
but
this
is
actually
one
of
the
fairways
with
the
trees
lining
either
side
slide.
Nine
sure
shows
a
view.
The
southwest
and
slide
10
is
a
view.
C
If
I
can
just
point
there
that
section
of
trees
is
part
of
the
area
of
the
38
trees
that
are
referred
to
as
some
length
in
the
report
to
remove
so
there's
that
section
there
that's
retained,
because
the
tennis
courts
are
actually
to
be
proposed
to
be
constructed
at
the
other
side
and
then
there's
this
section
here
of
the
trees
to
be
removed.
C
So
that
photograph
was
looking
down
there
and
the
trees
on
the
left
with
those
and
the
trees,
obviously
on
the
right,
oops
were
those,
so
those
are
the
ones
we
removed
and
that's
the
obviously
the
location.
So
if
I
just
go
back,
if
members
are
okay,
is
that
yeah
just
to
go
back
just
to
try
and
make
it
a
little
bit
clearer,
so
the
pitch
in
effect
they're
going
to
do
batteries
what's
wrong
with
it.
C
C
So
remind
your
members
of
the
layout
this
proposal,
this
the
proposal
shown
on
slide
nine
consists
of
the
new
full
3g
pitch,
which
you
can
see
the
tennis
courts,
obviously
to
the
left.
So
I
apologize
for
this
small
nature
of
it
and
it
shows
the
the
the
fencing
lines
around
the
perimeter,
which
is
there.
C
C
The
plan
permission
also
in
difficulty
shows
that
indicatively
shows
the
proposed
diversion
of
public
footpath,
207
and
and
the
permissible
bridal
way,
which
will
be
re-routed
to
the
south
of
its
current
alignment,
which
is
purple
there.
C
There
is
a
further
slide
that
shows
the
areas
of
that
in
more
detail
which
I'll
come
back
to
these
broader
works
also
include,
as
I
say,
the
realignment,
the
public
right
away,
which
will
be
created
to
mitigate
the
loss
of
the
public
access
to
the
section
of
the
pro
that
are
referred
to
what
I
would
also
stress
at
this
point,
though,
regardless
of
what
decision
is
made
today
and
if
it
should
be
an
approval.
C
The
closure
of
that
particular
public
right-of-way
is
a
separate
process
that
is
carried
out
by
public
rights
away
themselves.
So,
regardless
of
what
happens
today,
if
it
should
be
approved,
there's
still
a
further
approval
process
that
has
to
be
go
through
that
to
be
gone
through.
So
it's
not
absolutely
certain.
Ultimately,
that
that
will
be
closed.
A
result
of
any
positive
decision
today.
C
It's
clear,
obviously,
that
there
are
some
significant
earth
works
in
terms
of
a
cut
and
fill
exercise
which
is
cut
here,
as
you
can
see
from
the
other
side
here
and
then
the
fill
here
to
create
the
the
flat
land
platforms,
but
again
it
it
it's
it's
it's
important
to
remember
that
despite
these
significant
earth
works,
this
is
a
golf
course
which
of
course,
is
a
man-made
structure
in
its
own
right
and
there
would
have
been
significant
earth
works
carried
out
during
the
1950s
when
the
when
the
golf
course
was
created
to
create
the
greens,
the
bunkers
and,
of
course,
the
the
the
the
fairways
and
the
bottom
right
on
this
particular
slide.
C
C
That's
that
section
the
removed
trees
would
be
in
that
area
and
that
area
there
and
this
is
retained
and
there
would
be
additional
planting-
and
you
can
see
here
again
in
red
that
shows
the
line
of
the
trees
that
are
proposed
to
be
removed
by
the
by
the
application.
And
you
can
see
the
significant
planting
here
retained
and
if
you
remember,
in
the
context
of
one
of
the
earlier
slides
slide
two,
you
could
see
the
wider
ancient
woodland,
which
forms
farther
middleton
parkwoods.
C
This
shows
a
detail
of
the
section
of
the
pitch
and
the
cork
construction,
both
of
which
are
intended
to
be
porous
to
allow
the
water
to
drain
through
and
both
are
filtration
systems
and
also
covered
by
a
condition
to
ensure
that
there
will
be
no
detritus
that
would
wash
off
the
pitches
and
into
the
water
course,
and
you
can
just
see
on
here.
The
construction
is
the
artificial
grass.
The
the
crumb
rubber
crumb
and
sand
layer
is
actually
in
the
base
of
the
grass.
C
Can
you
thank
you.
C
C
Thank
you
all
right,
I'll,
be
a
bit
more
careful,
so
you
have
the
grass
on
top
the
reason
for
the
rubber
crumb
and
the
sand
actually
is
there's
a
number
of
reasons.
One
is
to
actually
ensure
that
the
artificial
grass
on
top
it
stays
erect.
C
So
it
provides
some
support
to
the
base,
but
this
is
obviously
a
pitch
the
size
that
could
be
used
for
rugby
and
football
and
if
you
think
about
the
impact
of
a
rugby
player
landing
on
a
shoulder
onto
a
pitch,
you
need
also
some
protection
in
terms
of
the
bounce
back.
So
they're
not
hurt,
but
also
the
blue
layer
underneath
is
the
more
significant
supporting
layer
to
prevent
injuries
and
then
effectively.
What
you
have
underneath
is
several
layers,
including
like
a
gravel
layer
that
is
one
huge
attenuation
tank,
so
any
water
going
into
it
on.
C
The
pictures
in
particular
goes
into
the
attenuation
tank
to
to
obviously
restrict
the
flow
into
the
watercourse,
so
it
can
be
done
and
bled
off
gently
and,
as
I
say,
there
are
conditions
attached
to
ensure
that
there's
no
none
of
the
detritus
if
there
should
be
any
from
the
from
the
rubber
accenture
to
get
into
the
into
the
water
system.
C
Again,
an
image
at
the
bottom,
which
shows
the
layout
of
the
pitch
the
three
tennis
courts.
The
access
way
to
obviously
make
it
dda
compliant
in
terms
of
the
long
long
ramp
sections,
because
there
was
concerns
about
that,
and
you
can
see
here.
The
type
of
fencing
that's
proposed,
partly
at
4.5
meters
in
height
around
the
the
major
pitch
itself
to
provide
the
prevent.
C
C
C
So
the
root
protection
areas
have
shown
clearly
on
here
that
the
pitch
obviously
will
take
out
the
38
trees
if
approved,
but
the
the
distance
to
the
other
trees
is
maintained
to
protect
those
and
particularly
to
the
ancient
woodland
which
is
shown
in
yellow
on
the
right
right
hand.
Side
of
that
slide,
the
there's
a
buffer
zone
of
15
meters,
which
is
the
yellow
zone.
But
then
the
nearest
point
is
actually
31
meters
away
from
the
ocean
woodland,
which
is
the
bottom
right
corner
of
the
of
the
pitch.
C
And
around
the
the
that
particular
slide,
you
can
see
some
more
sections,
it's
interesting.
The
way
they've
done
them
around
the
size,
but
the
one
that's
really
of
importance
is
the
one
at
the
bottom.
C
The
one
at
the
bottom
again
shows
the
cut
and
fill
exercise
and
and
tries
to
give
an
image
of
what
it
might
look
like
with
the
additional
planting
and
existing
planting
in
in
in
place-
and
I
know
it's
a
little
bit
small,
but
that
is
taken
from
the
south
looking
onto
the
southern
flank
of
the
proposed
major
pitch,
so
the
the
tennis
courts
hidden
behind
the
higher
trees,
the
taller
trees
shown
on
the
left
and
the
the
pitch
itself
is
hidden
behind
the
new
planting,
because
the
view
is
actually
taken
from
approximately
there.
C
So
what
it's
showing
this?
These
tiny
little
dots
here
the
proposed
new
planting,
which
is
policy
compliant
plus
a
few
extra
about
15,
but
any
wider
views
as
you
step
back.
The
views
into
the
pitch
then
become
more
hidden
by
the
existing
tree
cover
and
the
established
trees
that
form
part
of
the
lining
of
the
fairways.
C
This
slide
shows
the
the
the
the
the
new
tree
locations.
I
think
it's
45
heavy
standards
with
some
whips
around
about
70
around
the
perimeter
here,
the
smaller
dots.
C
Now,
the
reason
for
the
smaller
whips
is
actually
whips,
establish
quicker
and
better
than
the
more
mature
trees,
and
because
there
is
already
an
existing
significant
core
of
existing
mature
trees
around
to
to
ensure
that
they
establish
properly.
It
has
been
lent
slightly
towards
the
the
whips
to
establish
around
the
pitch
itself.
Thousands
relying
on
the
stat
heavy
standards,
because,
although
the
bigger
and
have
more
impact
and
taller,
they
are
much
more
difficult
to
actually
establish
when
you
remove
them
and
plant
them
in
a
new
location.
C
The
other
thing
I
would
say
about
this
as
well:
if
you
look
at
the
the
location
of
these
trees
shocking
this
don't
have
we
got
another
one
of
these
sorry.
C
This
actually
shows
the
the
graphics
contour
nigel
went
through
this.
I
won't
linger
on
this
because
we
all
know
that
the
deeper
red
sections
are
where
the
cut
will
take
place
and
the
lighter
colors
at
the
bottom
end,
because
the
slope
running
from
here
to
here
is
where
the
fill
will
take
so
cut
here
and
buzzed
it
down
here
to
to
create
the
to
create
a
level
playing
field.
C
Members
recall
the,
as
I
say
that
it
was
prevented
previously
and
that
the
panel
was
not
yeah,
yeah
yeah
well,
yeah,
there's
worse
to
come
potentially
panel
members
were
not
convinced
that
the
scheme
before
them
was
the
optimum
solution
when
it
was
considered
as
the
position
statement
and
the
further
work
was
needed,
but
panel
also
not
acknowledged
at
the
time
they
wanted
to
see
children
of
the
school
in
the
area
to
have
access
to
the
best
possible
facilities.
Therefore,
further
information
was
sought
relating
to
a
number
of
things.
C
Further
consultation
with
local
ward
members
was
raised
in
this
unit.
A
briefing
meeting
was
held
by
the
applicant
and
the
local
ward
members
from
middleton
park
and
beeson
and
holbeck
was
on
the
21st
of
july,
and
it
was
understood
at
that
time
that
a
joint
statement
was
to
be
issued.
I've
not
received
a
joint
statement,
but
I
have
received
very
recently
half
an
hour
before
the
meeting,
an
email
from
two
of
the
ward
members,
which
I
am
going
to
read
out
at
the
end
of
the
presentation.
C
C
The
full
needs
assessment
has
not
been
carried
out
because
it
was
deemed
unnecessary,
as
the
golf
course
was
closed
in
2019
due
to
the
declining
net
membership
and
to
the
level
of
vandalism
that
had
been
occurring
on
the
site
and,
interestingly,
no
one
came
forward
to
actually
continue
the
operation
of
it
as
a
golf
course
and
that
included
leeds
city
council.
Who
of
course
did
have
a
reasonably
extensive
golf
portfolio
themselves,
but
have
also
been
reducing
because
of
declining
membership
in
the
area.
C
And
people
will
be
aware
of
some
of
the
other
closures
and,
of
course,
temple
news
and
which
was
provided
with
two
full-size.
Golf
courses.
Dorothy
and
irwin
now
only
exists
as
one
the
site
was
chosen
as
it's
legacy
council
owned
and
it's
due
to
its
location,
obviously
directly
adjacent
to
coburn
schools,
as
I
showed
earlier
on.
C
It
is
critical
to
the
school
and
the
trust
that
the
additional
sports
facilities
provide
adjacent
to
their
existing
site,
to
enable
the
integration
to
the
secure
school
boundary
for
obvious
reasons,
but
to
list
them
safeguarding
reasons
and
to
avoid
unnecessary
management
and
logistical
issues
that
were
derived
from
the
use
of
remote
facilities.
And
I
will
come
back
to
that.
A
little
bit
later.
C
The
applicant's
supporting
statement
outlines
the
details
behind
the
loss
of
the
gulfsaw
golf
course,
but
it
also
reiterates
that
his
closure
is
not
linked
to
the
development
proposals.
C
That
was
a
separate
issue
dating
back
to
2019,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
and
on
this
basis
it
is
considered
that
no
further
evidence
is
required
to
demonstrate
that
the
golf
course
is
surplus
requirements.
So
the
key
issues
there-
it's
not
actually
covered
by
the
sports
council
of
sport,
england
policy
anyway,
but
there's
enough
evidence
to
suggest
that
actually,
it's
no
longer
required
with
regards
to
details
of
biodiversity
measures
and
carbon
capture
from
the
new
trees.
Member
requested
more
detail.
C
The
applicant
has
referred
to
the
sporty
as
supporting
detailed
reports
and
surveys
undertaken
and
announced
that
the
proposed
development
will
result
in
the
removal
of
the
38
young
to
early
mature
trees
for
clarity.
None
of
these
trees
are
covered
by
a
tree
protection
order
and
they
do
not
fall
within
the
conservation
area.
The
planning
application
is
supported
by
detailed
tree
survey
as
well
as
now
boric
cultural
impact
assessment.
C
The
impact
of
removing
the
trees
is
acknowledged
and
the
design
team
have
considered
various
options
to
minimize
the
tree
removal.
However,
it's
not
possible
to
retain
these
trees
due
to
the
position
within
the
application
site.
If
you
are
to
accept
the
size
and
scale
of
the
three
gp
pitch
proposed.
C
The
applicant
is
also
indeed
undertaking
extensive
scrub
planting,
which
I
showed
earlier
within
the
wider
site,
with
a
mix
of
native
tree
and
shrub
species
which
total
some
2.4
hectares
of
new
planting
due
to
delays
in
the
project
and
the
rising
prices
of
materials.
The
applicant
has
encountered
additional
costs,
which
also
means
that
they
have
stated
that
they
are
unable
to
fund
more
trees,
because
members
did
ask
ask
for
that.
But
that
is
the
reason
behind
it.
C
The
ongoing
costs
creating
them
difficulties
were
being
advised
with
regard
to
members
request
to
provide
an
assessment
of
calvin's
sequel
sequestration
of
the
trees.
Unfortunately,
applicant
is
unable
to
provide
this
detail
at
this
stage
again
because
of
the
cost
issue,
but
also
it
should
be
pointed
out
that
we
currently
have
no
policy
to
support
insistence
upon
this.
Now,
that
is
a
policy
vacuum
which
our
policy
colleagues
are
looking
at.
But,
as
I
say
at
the
moment,
there
is
no
policies
to
support
that
request.
C
However,
in
terms
of
biodiversity
position,
the
recently
updated
calculations
show
that
there
will
be
a
21.94
net
gain
in
biodiversity
points
following
the
development
as
a
result
of
the
additional
planting.
This
is
more
than
double
the
required
10
percent
of
policy
compliance
and,
with
regard
to
the
recent
comments
provided
by
the
nature
team
on
the
value
of
the
existing
grassland,
the
applicant
carried
out
an
additional
survey
and
it
concluded
that
the
habitat
classification
presented
in
the
ecological
impact
assessment
is
correct.
C
For
clarity,
though,
even
if
the
strategic
significance
was
changed
to
high
the
total
project,
score
remains
the
same:
at
21.94,
gaining
habitable
habitat
units
regards
locating
the
pitches
on
the
existing,
curb
and
campus.
C
C
The
main
argument
of
the
application
put
forward
is
that,
in
line
with
the
department
of
education
guidance
for
soft
outdoor
pe
spaces,
the
school
has
a
deficit
of
35.5
outdoor
sports
provision,
which
means
they
are
unable
to
deliver
their
curriculum.
In
addition
to
that,
they
have
continued
to
take
additional
children.
Circa
211,
at
the
request
of
the
council,
which
has
exacerbated
these
issues.
C
C
It's
just
off
that
to
that
slide,
and
also
with
it
being
in
close
proximity
to
the
ancient
woodland,
as
I
mentioned
before,
requires
a
15
metre
buffer
zone
between
the
development
and
the
woodland
and
also
if
the
proposed
facilities
were
to
be
constructed
within
the
school
site.
This
will
result
in
the
temporary
loss
of
the
existing
facilities
to
facilitate
the
construction,
which,
of
course,
during
that
particular
period,
would
further
exacerbate
the
issue
with
the
school's
ability
to
deliver
the
curriculum.
C
There
would
also
be
a
loss
of
car
parking
due
to
the
need
to
form
a
construction
access
through
the
existing
car
park
that
was
recently
delivered
as
part
of
phase
one
which
is
in
this
location,
thus
potentially
displacing
the
vehicles
outside
the
school
boundary
onto
the
neighboring
network.
C
Slide
17
shows
the
cobbled
path
in
the
northeast
core
of
the
site
and
slide.
18
is
actually
a
slide
from
the
other
end.
Looking
back
up
to
where
the
first
photograph
was
now,
the
concern
really,
the
public
access
has
been
considered
and
members
asked
the
design
team
to
explore
the
opportunity
of
public
access
to
the
existing
cobble
path
outside
of
ours.
C
The
existing
cobble
path
will
remain
in
situ,
but
due
to
the
need
to
integrate
the
application
site
within
the
secure
boundary,
access
to
it
will
be
restricted,
given
that
the
application
provides
a
new
diverted
path
to
the
south
of
the
new
facilities.
The
proposal
does
not
offer
the
opportunity
to
keep
the
path
open
outside
of
school
hours,
as
this
would
require
redesigning
the
fencing
proposal
and
including
additional
gate
and
could
also
introduce
safeguarding
issues
which
I
referred
to
previously.
C
Consulting
concern
relating
to
the
potential
community
use
of
3d
pitch
a
reverse
and
enforceable
community
use
agreement
was
also
required,
as
outlined
in
the
accompanying
planning
statement.
If
members
have
looked
at
the
in
more
detail,
the
proposal
the
development
will
be
made
will
will
be
made
available
for
community
use.
C
There
is
no
currently
a
carbon
specific
community
use
agreement,
but
the
lettings
of
the
existing
facility.
This
school
are
managed
by
leeds
city
councils,
school
and
community,
electing
team
in
line
with
their
higher
policy
and
charging
schedule,
and
although
academies
are
free
to
set
their
own
charges
and
approve
or
reject
applications
for
use
of
their
affiliate
facilities
as
and
when
they
come
through.
I'm
not
aware
that
this
has
occurred
and
there
is
no
intention
to
change
the
current
process,
which
is
managed
by
lee
city
council
and
just
for
information.
C
The
existing
facilities
are
usually
available,
6
pm
to
9
p.m,
monday
friday,
9
to
6
on
weekends,
unless
the
school
agrees
to
a
late
booking
and
the
let
the
lettings
team
have
advised
that,
based
on
their
records,
coburn
school
is
open
a
lot
of
the
time
for
community
use
bookings
and
has
a
very
busy
schedule
in
this
regard.
C
The
highways
office
confirmed
that
the
parking
provision
is
sufficient
to
support
the
community,
use
the
proposed
development
and
regard
to
logistics
of
accessing
the
site
after
school
hours.
The
school
has
confirmed
that
the
school
girls
will
be
open
and
to
allow
access
to
the
3g
pitch.
In
addition,
they
have
school
staff
on
site
available
should
they
required.
C
C
However,
a
contractor
has
been
appointed
and
the
applicant
has
provided
some
details
of
the
construction
phase
which
are
considered
acceptable,
so
a
condition
would
also
be
added
on
as
an
extra
layer
of
comfort
for
that
further
detail,
but
what
we
have
so
far
includes
the
proposed
location
of
the
contractor's
compound
and
details
of
the
temporary
storage
as
surplus
materials
and
for
clarity.
If
clarity
these
details
have
been
submitted
in
response
to
the
comments
provided
by
the
landscape
officer
to
ensure
that
they
do
not
impact
on
any
of
the
existing
stroke
maintaining
trees.
C
I
briefly
touched
on
the
disabled,
access
and
drop-off
arrangements
required
for
the
pitch
use
and
tennis
courts
and
again,
as
stated
in
the
accompanying
design
and
access
statement,
the
applicant
acknowledges
that
the
gradient
of
the
site
is
notable
and
presents
some
challenges.
However,
all
paths
are
designed
to
ensure
that
proposed
facilities
are
fully
accessible
to
wheelchair
users
and
other
disabilities.
C
The
proposed
pass
will
also
include
resting
and
passing
places
and
access
to
the
site
and
the
drop-off
within
the
existing
car
park
area,
which
I've
already
pointed
out
on
the
adjacent
school
site
where
there
are
changing
and
toilet
facilities
for
the
use
of
the
pitch.
Now
again,
just
an
interesting
point
to
make
here
is
this:
this
application
originally
did
have
changing
facilities
within
the
green
belt
associated
with
the
pitch,
but
through
negotiation
to
minimize
the
impact
on
this
area
that
was
removed,
and
now
the
the
facilities
were
used
within
the
existing
car
park.
C
So
just
going
back
to
that
one
to
leave
it
there.
So
now
members,
if
I
can
just
talk
about
the
key
issues
ultimately
coming
to
a
conclusion,
because
I
know
that's
been
long-winded
but-
and
I
say
there
are
updates
design
and
visual
impact.
C
Obviously
I
discussed
that
with
the
school
as
to
why
that
was
done
and
on
their
part,
if
you
think
about
it.
Logically,
if
they
were
to
even
consider
that
to
put
it
in
at
this
point
during
construction,
it
has
to
be
more
logical
than
actually
digging
up
everything
that
you've
just
built
at
a
later
date,
but
to
assuage
any
any
concerns
about
that.
C
Obviously,
that
would
be
covered
by
a
further
planning
application,
which
of
course,
I
suspect,
will
probably
come
back
to
this
to
this
venue
anyway
for
for
discussion,
so
that
that
explains
why
it
appears-
although
it's
not
actually
shown
on
the
drawings
such
as
this
one,
as
I
said
before,
the
proposal
will
be
shielded
by
the
existing
planting,
etc,
etc.
C
C
Now
I
know
members
were
particularly
concerned
about
that
and
I've
had
a
discussion
with
the
policy
colleagues
about
this,
and
I
think
everybody
accepts
now,
because
we've
debated
this
particular
point
at
a
panel
on
a
number
of
occasions
that
realistically
we
all
understand,
I
think
that
trees
need
to
be
planted
at
a
greater
ratio
than
that.
C
So
at
the
moment,
we
we
only
have
the
three
to
one
policy,
which
is
a
bit
of
a
crude
instrument.
However,
a
policy
has
been
developed
with
a
charts
which
is
not
public
at
the
moment,
but
it's
to
be
considered
next
week
at
the
development
plans
panel,
which
actually
is
very,
very
sophisticated
in
terms
of
assessing
the
girth
of
the
trees,
the
age
of
the
trees,
the
condition
etc.
C
The
height
that's
been
removed
and
then
suggesting
increased
planting
ratios
based
upon
that
information,
and
in
some
cases
it
can
be
up
to
20,
potentially
27..
C
Well,
where
we
put
them
all
might
be
another
matter.
But
but
I
I
mentioned
this
only
because,
unfortunately,
that
is
not,
although
material
consideration.
It
has
no
way
to
the
this
point
because
it
will
go
to
development
plans
panel
next
week
at
some
point
future
that
it
will
go
to
not
scrutiny
but
sorry
executive
board,
my
apologies
and
then
sometime
next
year
there
will
be
a
public
consultation
exercise
and
of
course
that
is
likely
to
be
amendment
amended
through
that
process.
C
C
C
Although
the
report
indicates
that
various
individual
habitats
areas
of
low
ecological
value,
collectively
and
without
mitigation,
the
impact
would
be
significant
and
there's
noted
in
the
applicant's
response
to
this,
though,
with
the
additional
planting
shrub
planting,
tree
planting,
etc.
Ultimately,
the
net
gain
is
still
seen
at
29.
21.94,
which
is
above
the
10
policy
requirement.
C
I
would
also
just
make
a
point
about
the
hedgehog
release,
because
that's
been
raised
in
some
of
the
the
comments
from
resident
support
groups
recently,
which
I
will
go
back
to
at
some
point.
It's
been
confirmed
by
parks
and
countryside
that
the
application
site
is
not
used
for
hedgehog
release
that
is
actually
within
the
woodland
and
measures
are
to
be
put
in
place,
obviously
to
to
not
destroy
or
to
minimize
the
disturbance
of
the
habitat
and
the
foraging,
because
the
hedgehogs
do
travel
some
considerable
distance
at
night.
C
When
foraging
up
to
two
kilometers,
I'm
advised
other
issues.
Councillor
burke
had
raised
concern
about
the
loss
of
the
ancient
woodland.
Well,
the
ancient
woodland
is
unaffected
by
these
proposals.
Society's
closest
point
is
31
meters
away,
which
is
on
the
southeastern
tip
on
this.
This
slide
objectives
have
raised
concerns
relating
to
the
loss
of
the
the
path
and
historic
cobbles,
and
this
would
cause
a
local
heritage,
I'll
stress
again,
it's
not
to
be
removed,
but
due
to
the
fencing
and
safeguarding
issues,
access
will
be
restricted.
C
Regards
the
function
of
the
green
curry
for
those
who
prefer
to
in
policy
n8,
the
site
is
probably
accessible
for
informal
recreation
and
provision
will
be
lost
but
replaced
with
the
sports
solicitors
that
will
be
made
available
for
wider
community
use
again.
It
should
be
noted
that
such
loss
equates
to
five
percent
of
the
golf
course
area
and
obviously
is
much
much
less
in
context
of
the
wider
middleton
park
estate.
C
C
I
mentioned
a
little
bit
earlier
when
we
looked
at
the
sections
of
the
pitch
and
how
it
operates
that
the
the
courts
will
be
provided
with
a
permeable
surface
gravel
layers
which
will
act
as
a
holding
tank
beneath
the
the
picture
line
runoff
to
be
controlled
and
with
the
guards
particulate
run
off
the
in
terms
of
the
rubber.
The
design
of
the
pitch
base
and
filters
will
prevent
this,
and
the
pitch
is
endorsed
by
sport.
England
and
such
this
type
of
pitch
is
still
endorsed
by
sport.
C
C
There
are
it's
really
a
chemical
issue
rather
than
the
particulates
themselves.
Apparently,
there
are
legislative
bloodies,
which
I
can
refer
to
later.
If
members
are
interested
that
have
looked
at
this
and
they're
basically
in
holland
in
particular,
have
done
some
of
the
more
sort
of
cutting-edge
studies
recently,
their
their
own
body
has
actually
come
back
and
they've
used.
The
phrase
that
actually
it's
negligible
is
the
possibility
of
any
any
health
issues
being
caused
as
a
result
of
the
of
the
particulars.
C
C
C
This
document
advises
that
inappropriate
development
is,
by
definition,
harmful
to
the
green
belts
and
should
not
be
approved,
except
in
very
special
circumstances,
and
if
it
is
inappropriate
development,
whether
the
harm
by
reason
of
inappropriateness
and
any
other
harm,
is
clearly
outweighed
by
other
considerations,
so
as
to
amount
to
the
very
special
circumstances
necessary
to
justify
the
development
yeah.
That's
a
mouthful.
Isn't
it
blame
our
policy
colleagues
for
that?
C
But
the
key
thing
is
that,
although
the
provision
of
sports
for
facilities
can
be
considered
to
be
not
inappropriate
development,
as
defined
in
paragraph
50
of
the
framework,
consideration
needs
to
be
given
to
preserving
the
openness
of
the
green
belt,
so
just
to
stress
that
these
types
of
facilities
can
be
seen
as
not
affecting
the
is
not
inappropriate
development.
C
However,
you
have
to
consider
also
whether
it
preserves
the
openness
of
the
green
belt
and
the
purpose
of
including
it
within
the
land
within
it
in
the
first
place.
So,
although
the
operation
of
laying
out
the
tennis
courts
and
3d
pitch
will
include
the
removal
of
trees
or
the
vegetation
level
changes,
these
will
be
screened
to
a
degree
by
the
presence
of
the
retained,
trees
and
landscaping
and
remodel,
earthworks
and
and
the
creation
of
the
landscape
escape
buffer.
C
It's
therefore
considered
that
the
proposed
developments,
as
far
as
it
relates
to
the
laying
out
of
the
pitch
itself
and
the
chords
has
been
carefully
situated,
where
it
will
effectively
be
screened
from
long-distance
views
for
all
the
reasons
mentioned
before.
In
this
context,
the
modest
scale
of
the
development
proposed
is
design
a
locational
backdrop.
C
C
C
Members
will
recall
provision
of
sport
facilities
etc,
because
we've
discussed
this
other
venues
that
not
inappropriate
development
is
not
in
appropriate
development,
as
defined
in
paragraph
150,
the
mppf
and
previously
referred
to
in
the
this.
In
the
report,
paragraph
113
to
properly
engage
in
the
weighing
exercise
and
therefore
come
to
a
decision.
It
should
be
remembered
that
the
fencing
is
well
meshed
to
maximize
visibility
and
permeability
through
it
painted
dark
green
to
reduce
its
visibility
and
will
be
viewed
against
a
backdrop
of
existing
and
additional
tree
planting.
C
Therefore,
it's
considered
the
defense
will,
although
inappropriate
by
definition,
will
have
minimal
harm
to
the
green
belt,
and
this
conclusion
is
supported
by
a
number
of
appeal
decisions
which
are
summarized
in
the
in
the
report
they
have
before
you
against
this
minimal
harm.
It
is
necessary,
then,
to
balance
the
other
considerations
in
this
case
they
are
considered
to
be
substantial.
C
The
applicant
has
also
referred
to
the
dfe
guidance
contained
in
the
soft
pe
spaces
and
based
on
this
guidance,
it
means
that
the
school
has
64.5
percent
of
the
required
provision
and
a
deficit
of
35.5
this
deficit.
This
deficiency
cannot
be
provided
within
the
parameters
of
the
school
boundary,
as
I've
explained
earlier
and
in
terms
of
the
proposed
fencing
treatment.
C
So,
with
regards
to
the
issues,
the
loss
of
38,
mainly
category
trees,
good
quality
and
immediate
visual
harm
of
such
will
be
significant,
but
as
a
significant
but
as
assessed
above.
This
will
be
minimized
by
the
surrounding
tree
cover
and
to
subsume
when
viewed
from
distance
in
longer
term
views
aided
by
the
above
policy
requirement
replacement
planting,
the
development
will
be
will
blend
into
the
broader
context
and
will
not
detect
from
the
overall
cap
to
the
area.
C
We've
mentioned
the
mitigation
planting
before
so.
I
won't
replace
repeat
that,
and
it's
accepted
that
in
terms
of
climate
change,
the
council
declared
climate
emergency
that
the
value
of
these
trees
regard
to
their
carbon
storage
and
mitigation
of
air
noise
pollution
and
flooding,
of
course,
is
very
important
on
this
issue,
though,
there
is
no
evidence
to
suggest
that,
once
the
development
has
been
completed
and
the
landscaping
and
planting
reaches
maturity,
the
proposed
scheme
would
fail
to
accord
with
any
planetary
policies
aimed
at
combating
climate
change.
C
Excuse
me
indeed,
over
the
life
of
the
development,
there
will
be
a
net
gain
in
carbon
sequestration
as
the
trees
mature,
but
it's
accepted
at
the
moment
with
a
cat
with
the
council's
current
three
to
one
policy
it,
the
the
tree
panting
will
not
provide
the
sequestration
that
the
loss
of
the
38
trees
would
do
immediately.
C
Furthermore,
the
development
will
also
be
available
outside
of
school
hours
for
community
use,
which
will
have
a
significant
and
broader
public
benefit
and
help
to
reduce
the
deficit
which
exists
throughout
the
throughout
the
city
in
terms
of
highway
consideration,
the
impacts
and
the
and
the
impact
on
the
living
conditions
surrounding
residents.
The
proposal
is
concerned
to
be
accepted,
considered
to
be
acceptable.
C
So
against
this
background,
it's
concluded
that
development
is
acceptable
in
planning
terms.
The
definitional
heart
definitional,
harm
of
the
fence
to
the
green
belt
is
considered
to
be
minimal
and
that
this
harm
and
any
other
identified
harm
is
considered
to
be
clearly
outweighed
by
the
other
considerations,
to
amount
to
the
very
special
circumstances
necessary
to
justify
the
development.
C
It
is
therefore
recommended
that
the
application
be
approved,
subject
to
the
conditions
in
the
report
now
chair.
If
you
just
bear
with
me
a
little
longer,
because
I'm
almost
there
subsequent
subsequent
to
the
drafting
of
the
report
on
the
presentations,
I've
had
a
request
for
an
additional
highways
condition
with
regard
to
a
car
park
management
plan.
C
So,
in
coming
to
a
conclusion,
members
need
to
be
aware
that
that's
not
listed
on
the
front
page
of
reports,
but
also
conditions
to
secure
future
maintenance
of
landscaping
to
be
grooved
with
parks
and
countryside,
because
the
the
commute
at
some
is
still
under
some
discussion
between
the
two
parties
and
in
terms
of
ecology.
C
The
ecologists,
although
obviously
regrets
the
the
loss
of
the
the
environment
environment
as
a
result
of
the
pictures
they
are
now
requesting
additional
conditions
regarding
the
construction
of
an
m.
Sorry,
a
construction
and
environmental
management
plan,
a
biodiversity
enhancement
management
plan
and
a
biodiversity
monitoring
program.
C
C
There
is
no
automatic
reason
why
members
should
disregard
those
or
not
read
them,
but
I
will
outline
the
the
key
bullet
points.
I
can
go
through
it
paragraph
by
paragraph,
but
I
don't
think
you
want
another
23
pages
of
it,
but
these
have
come
from
south
leeds
former
golf
course.
C
Community
group,
which
is
the
one
to
nine
pages
and
the
south,
leads
golf
course
and
land
pressure
group
which
comprises
the
friends
of
middleton
park,
a
beast
and
community
foreman
forum
and
cycle
pathways,
which
is
actually
the
private
non-profit
company
that
runs
the
urban
cycle
park
which
is
adjacent.
C
So
the
issues
that
have
been
raised
just
in
bullet
point
is
lots
of
the
I
mean
they
are
covered
by
the
report
on
the
presentation.
Lots
of
the
current
informal
use
public
right
of
way
changes,
impact
on
green
belt
issues
surrounding
climate,
emergency
impact
on
the
wildlife,
habitat
question,
re,
the
academy's
intentions
and
and
some
suspicion
about
the
the
school
rule
and
whether
that
will
be
reduced,
which
I'm
informed
would
not
be
increasing.
Flood
risk.
C
We
also
received
a
further
objection
from
councillor
carlisle,
which
covers
many
of
the
the
same
points
as
well
and
raises
one
or
two
questions
about
our
concerns
that
have
been
covered
previously
and
then
just
before
panel.
If
you
recall
right
at
the
very
beginning,
I'd
mentioned
that
members
had
requested
what
the
members
view
were
on
this.
C
So
just
before
counselor,
just
before
panel
counselor
andrew
scopes
sent
me
an
email
I'll,
just
read
this
out
in
full,
it's
view,
and
it's
it's
also
the
view
taken
by
councillor
sharon
burke,
and
it
just
says
it's
a
shame.
We
can't
speak
because
they
did
submit
a
request
this
morning
to
speak
at
plans
panel,
but
the
deadline
for
that
actually
was
earlier
in
the
week.
So
in
probability
terms
after
discussion
with
the
chair,
we
declined
that
request
and
I
suggested
that
they
put
their
concerns
in
writing.
C
So
this
is
it
it's
a
succinctly
it's.
This
is
a
really
difficult
decision
with
really
valid
points
on
both
sides.
We
appreciate
the
time
and
effort
that
the
residents
have
put
into
the
consultation
process
and
have
read
and
understand
their
concerns,
which
we
sympathize
with.
However,
on
balance,
our
view
is
that
the
needs
of
the
children
south
leads
must
be
provided
for
and
in
essence,
apart
from
saying,
we
can't
go
through
all
the
arguments
and
short
email.
C
That
is
their
concluding
comment
and
at
that
point
chair
I'll
hand
it
back
to
the
meeting.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
A
We
have
three
objectives
to
speak
today:
we've
got
allen
suzanne
and
lindsay.
Could
you
three
please
take
a
seat
over
there.
A
Thank
you
in
total,
you've
got
four
minutes
to
speak.
M
M
Our
key
objection
is
that
this
development
will
permanently
change
land
that
was
added
to
the
middleton
park
estate
in
2019,
following
the
closure
of
the
golf
course,
and
I
would
point
out
that
this
is
a
permanent
change
rather
than
the
change
to
create
the
golf
course
in
the
first
place.
Building
a
3g
pitch
will
require
significant
landscaping
and
the
addition
of
multiple
man-made
layers
of
material
into
the
site
to
create
the
playing
surface,
including
cabling
for
lighting
which,
although
not
including
this
application,
will,
in
our
view,
need
to
be
added
to
make
the
site
viable.
M
This
would
be
a
significant
construction
on
what
is
green
belt
land,
which
is
not
covered
by
the
exceptions
listed
by
the
national
planning
policy
framework.
Our
view
is
that
this
allows
some
construction
for
sport,
but
not
the
addition
of
a
plastic
pitch.
It
should
be
noted
that
the
appearance
of
the
pitch
will
be
green.
It
is
actually
anything
but
3g
pictures
are
devoid
of
life.
The
site
is
currently
full
of
life
with
multiple
species
of
butterfly
insects
and
birds
identified.
M
The
site
is
adjacent
to
an
important
hedgehog
release
site,
and
the
panel
will
be
aware
of
how
important
this
work
is.
Although
the
applicant
states
that
the
development
will
have
improved
the
site's
biodiversity
score,
how
can
changing
a
thriving
tree-lined
meadow
into
to
a
plastic
fenced-off
pitch?
Be
adding
species
biodiversity
to
a
site?
M
Even
if
there
is
additional
planting
included?
The
site
currently
adds
to
the
achievement
of
the
government
screening
commitments.
This
development
will
not.
It
will
create
the
need
for
regular
regeneration
of
the
pitch,
although
the
development
will
use
recycled.
Rubber
crumb
studies
have
shown
that
loose
crumb,
as
suggested,
could
be
carcinogenic,
with
micro
plastics
leaching
into
local
streams
and
then
into
the
city
strains
near
the
south
leads.
M
In
conclusion,
we
feel
that
this
development
is
not
needed.
New
school
facilities
are
due
elsewhere:
it's
not
suitable
for
the
green
belt
and
is
not
supported
by
both
government
and
council
green
policies.
It
will
create
a
ban
wasteland
for
wildlife.
Finally,
it
is
not
wanted
by
the
community
of
those
who
play
community
football.
Only
30
percent
play
on
a
full-size
pitch.
The
only
decision
you
can
make
is
to
refuse
this
development.
N
The
pitch
is
not
sustainable
development;
it
exposes
children
to
hazardous
chemicals.
There
is
massive
microplastic
pollution
from
rubber
chrome
and
other
plastics.
It
has
a
short
lifespan.
There
is
no
end-of-life
policy
with
the
council,
there's
no
recycling
in
the
uk.
It's
against
the
leeds
waste
strategy.
It
pollutes
soil
and
water
particles
are
ingested
or
breathed
in
which
is
against
leeds
air
quality
strategy.
It
creates
an
urban
heat
island
effect,
which
is
against
leeds
air
quality
strategy.
It's
located
in
leeds
wildlife,
habitat
network,
which
is
against
policy
g9.
N
L
And
personally
I
started
with
this
because
of
my
interest
with
the
ancient
path
I
used
to
ride
it,
and
now
I
walk
at
least
three
times
a
week.
It's
a
dog
walk
when
previous
work
was
done
on
that
path
about
15
years
ago.
They
have
to
put
a
membrane
down
to
protect
the
cobbles
underneath
it
because
it's
historical
value
this
time
with
this
work,
they've
dug
all
the
path
up.
We
showed
you,
the
nice
shiny
new
one.
B
Yeah,
I'm
not
sure
who
to
address
it
to
but
one
of
the
documents
we
received.
I
think
from
one
of
you
three.
It
was
a
reference
to.
I
think
it's
the
beeston
neighborhood
plan
and
the
path
itself,
which
is
apparently
mentioned
within
the
neighborhood
plan,
there's
nothing
about
it
in
our
papers.
So
could
you
tell
me
what
the
neighborhood
plan
says
about
the
power.
N
It's
a
historic
they've
designated
it
as
a
historical
asset
of
middleton
park.
So
that's
what
they've
got.
L
Yeah
I've
got
I've
got
two
questions
to
to
to
two
of
the
objectives.
Can
I
ask
them
both
at
the
same
time?
Is
that
yeah?
Just
when
you
were,
I
couldn't
talk
about
the
pitch
needing
replacing
you
said
the
the
lifespan
of
the
pitch.
I
just
wondered
if
you
could
tell
me
if
you
knew
how
often
the
pitch
is
needed,
replacing
because
I
have
a
concern
about
what
happens
when
the
pitch
needs
replacing
and
then
I've
got
another
question
to
yourself.
Sorry,.
N
Right
so
the
pitchers
need
replacing
every
eight
to
ten
years,
but
also
every
one
to
two
years.
You
also
have
to
get
more
rubber
chrome,
so
there's
more
rubber
from
every
one
to
two
years
and
and
then
afterwards,
there's
no
end
of
life
policy
that
the
council
have
actually
done
so
far.
And
so
what
would
happen
is
it
would
just
be
this
supplier
or
there?
Would
a
specialist
company
come
and
take
it
away,
but
there's
actually
no
uk
recycling.
N
So
what's
happened
in
the
past.
Is
it's
just
been
stored
up
in
warehouses
and
because
you
can't
dispose
of
it
because
it's
like?
Obviously
it's
like
toxic
waste.
Sometimes
it's
been
it's
been
sort
of
reallocated
to.
I
don't
know
to
like
people's.
My
people
might
just
buy
it
for
the
garden
and
a
lot
of
it's
actually
ended
up
in
the
third
world
as
well.
So
it
is
very
problematic
and
they
asked
they
are
trying
to
get
more
recycling
available.
L
And
I
have
no
question:
can
I
just
ask
you,
you
were
just
talking
about
the
fence
when
you
got
cut
off
there,
because
I
know
time
was
up.
So
you
said
about
you'd:
ask
the
school
to
move
the
fence
to
the
other
side,
so
the
hedge
could
be
retained,
but
then
you
were
cut
off.
I
just
wondered
if
you
could
tell
us
what
their
response
would
be,
the
path
in
the
hedge
that
runs
all
the
way
along.
It
are
on
the
maps
from
the
1800s.
L
So
we
know
they
were
all
at
least
there
then,
and
we
asked
the
school
if
it
would
not
be
possible
to
have
their
fence
put
the
other
side
and
a
gate
opposite
the
school
gate.
So
the
kids
could
you
know
they
could
unlock
it
to
use
it
and
the
headmaster
said
no,
because
in
this
day
and
age,
if
they
had
to
walk
over
that
six
foot
path,
they
might
be
at
risk.
So
they
couldn't
do
it
that
way
they
had
to
have
it
all
in
one.
L
L
Because
they
dug
it
up
to
widen
the
road,
but
I
think
the
signs
there
now
are
the
worst
signs
they're
telling
them
not
to
do
anymore
at
the
moment.
Thank
you,
sorry.
I
know
I'm
asking
questions,
but
I
had
covered
on
the
7th
of
july,
so
I
wasn't
here
for
the
discussions.
So
apologies.
If
I'm
asking
questions
that
have
been
asked
before.
A
L
L
No,
the
other
way,
it's
just
it's
a
concrete
road,
it's
just
a
plain
white
road
and
the
dug
up
all
the
trees
and
the
hedges.
I
do
actually
have
pictures
of
all
the
roots
of
the
trees
showing
where
they
sent
the
digger
down,
and
you
can
see
the
old
membrane
and
you
know
where
they've
dug
it
all
up
and
destroy
the
hedge
and
everything.
C
Sure,
just
just
to
try
and
clarify
this,
this
this
picture
is
the
cobble
path,
but
it's
shown
from
the
east
side
looking
across
and
the
other
one
is
from
the
other
direction.
Looking
down,
so
my
understanding
that
this
this
has
not
been
harmed
and
it's
not
intended
to
be
held
as
a
result
of
the
application.
So
I
think
we're
talking
about
something
completely
different
to
these
two
slides.
C
L
C
L
C
L
L
I
I
have
an
issue:
sorry,
the
the
the
objective
said
that
they're
gonna
that
she's
concerned
they're
digging
a
head
job
and
asked
for
the
fence
to
put
the
other
side
of
the
hedge.
So
we
don't
dig
the
hedge
up,
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
we're
laying
hedges
around
the
city
because
of
the
because
of
the
climate
emergency.
So
I
want
to
know
where
the
hedges
that
we
that
we,
that
the
school
is
saying
they're
going
to
take
out
to
put
a
fence
up,
because
I'm
not
happy
about
that.
L
C
L
L
C
Well,
because
right
we
can
address
this
question
directly
to
the
applicant
because
they
are
going
to
have
the
opportunity
to
speak,
but
I
don't,
I
think,
slightly
across
purposes
here,
because
that
was
historic
damage.
I
think,
because
there's
no
intention
to
alter
the
entrance
to
this
accepting
further
down
where
you
would
have
to
gain
access
to
the
new
pitch.
So
I
don't
think
this
affects
the
hedge
at
all.
N
And
I
just
say
something
I
think
what's
important
there
to
remember
is
what
we're
saying
is
that
that
was
a
cobbled
path
that
was
much
cherished
by
people
going
down
and
in
the
first
phase
in
phase
one.
They
destroyed
that
with
no
regard
to
the
local
communities.
Love
of
that
and
that's
why
it
just
looks
like
an
access
road
now
and
the
fact
is,
when
you're
telling
the
local
community
that
that
school
will
be
in
charge
of
the
rest
of
that
path.
G
Thanks
joe
just
just
a
question,
first
gentleman
who
spoke
so
this
this
proposal
will
resu
result
in
the
loss
of
five
percent
of
a
recently
gifted
community
area.
So
is:
is
it
your
contention
that
the
loss
of
that
five
percent
is
so
heinous
to
the
to
the
wider
area
that
overrides
the
the
benefits
for
the.
G
M
I'm
not
sure
I
can
answer
the
fact
that
it's
highness
to
the
benefits
of
the
school-
that's
not
my!
That's!
Not
my
role,
I'm
chair
of
trustees
of
the
friends
of
midland
park
charity.
We
look
after,
as
I
say,
and
manage,
and
help
to
help
help
working
with
the
council
for
the
whole
of
middleton
park.
I
rick.
I
understand
that
it
is
only
five
percent
of
midland
park,
but
it
is
an
import
habitat
area
for
the
park.
M
If
you
think
it's
an
important
meadow
area,
it's
just
been
established
as
a
meadow
area,
it's
used
by
the
local
community.
So
it's
one
part
of
the
park
that
we'd
like
to
see
could
have
retained.
If
we
can,
it's
also
an
important
entrance
way
into
the
park.
As
linda
said
earlier,
she
uses
that
path
to
get
into
the
park
every
every
week,
three
to
four
times
a
week.
She
walks
down
that
path
gets
into
the
park
that
way
because
it's
a
it's
a
level
route
into
the
park.
M
So
it's
used
extensively
by
the
local
community,
it's
enjoyed
by
the
local
community.
It's
part
of
the
20
minute
neighborhoods.
It's
it's
well
used!
That's
all
I
can
say
I
mean
there
are
obviously
other
parts
of
middle
department
park,
as
you
saw
on
the
map,
is
massive.
It
covers
a
wide
area,
but
there
are
lots
of
different
environments
within
that
park,
and
this
is
an
important
part
of
that.
N
Can
I
just
start
something
as
well
with
it
being
part
of
the
20-minute
neighborhood?
It's
because
it's
open
space
and
that's
what
for
personal
safety
for
women
and
other
vulnerable
groups?
That
was
the
reason
that
I've
always
used
that
piece
of
land,
because
it's
quite
near
residentials,
residential
housing
and
you'd.
Go
on
that.
So
it's
a
specific!
It's
got
specific
qualities
that
piece
of
land:
it's
not
just
any
old
piece
of
land.
It
has
that
open
quality
which
you
know,
as
I
say,
vulnerable
groups
and
women
appreciate.
N
I
Taking
it
I'm
sure,
you'd
agree
with
was
all
that
he's
doing.
A
great
job
is
this
particular
school
and
taking
it
that
the
kids
there
have
more
than
a
third
less
of
the
land
that
they
need
for
pe
and
other
activities.
How
would
you
resolve
that
problem.
N
What
they've
got
there's
loads
of
space
in
the
park,
for
example,
there's
other
things
that
they
could
try,
which,
when
they've
got
the
there's
the
cricket.
There's
a
bike
park
that
they
could
get
more
involved
in
they've
also
got
their
own
land,
which
is
substantially
a
lot
larger
than
most
other
schools.
They
could
have
a
they
could
put
a
pitch
onto
the
onto
the
part
that
they've
already
got
the
rugby
pitch
and
I
think
somewhere
it
said
about
that.
N
They
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
that
because
they
had
over
16s,
but
it's
a
score
for
11
to
16.
So
that's
that's
not
right,
and
they
could
also
use
john
charles
and
we're
in
a
a
time
of
where
it's
going
to
be
very
difficult
for
people
to
pay
for
sports
facilities.
We
want
to
keep
john
charles
viable
for
the
local
community.
Why
would
you
divert
funding
away
from
john
charles?
It
makes
no
business
sense.
N
So
john
charles
is
within
it's
within
five
minutes
in
a
mini
bus
to
john
charles,
which
is
just
already
just
got
a
new
tennis
tennis
courts,
both
in
and
out
also
by
by
introducing
children
to
the
local
sports
facility.
That
the
council
already
provides
is
that
that
means
that
they're
going
to
use
that
again,
you're
introducing
them
early.
So
I'll
go
down
to
john
charles,
but
if
you
don't
actually
acknowledge
that
that
exists
in
a
school,
you
know
that
they
can
use
those
community
facilities
and
they're
not
going
to
know
about
it.
N
So
it's
it.
There's
there's
plenty
of
things.
I
mean
there's
another
football
hub
going
up
at
the
other
part
of
eastern.
We
don't
actually
need
this
need
a
pitch
there.
The
community
will
use
it
and
I-
and
I
must
say
that
we've
had
the
local
community
have
been
monitoring
the
use
of
the
picture.
Over
the
summer
it's
been
used
on
a
night,
a
total
of
five
times
three
times
three
wednesdays
and
another
two
wednesdays.
N
I
think
where,
on
one
occasion
there
was
two
people
playing
on
the
other
occasion,
there
was
three
people
playing
and
other
than
that.
It
was
used
the
first
week
in
august
for
this
for
children
and
that's
it.
It's
never
been.
No
one's
ever
seen
anyone
there
on
a
weekend
and
it's
just
honestly
being
used
for
those
wednesday
evenings
and
that's
only
five
since
july,
the
14th,
I
think.
I
So
your
view
is,
you,
don't
seem
to
have
any
practical
ways
of
increasing
the
space
available
within
the
school,
but
your
view
is:
the
environment
will
be
enhanced
by
putting
kids
in
and
out
on
a
mini
bus
down
to
some
other
sporting
facility.
I
understood
that
correctly.
N
There's
there's
loads
of
facilities
around
that
they
could
use.
I
don't
see
why
I
don't
see
why,
in
the
time
of
the
climate
emergency,
I
think
people
can
remember
who've
all
been
to
school,
that
we
might
have
had
to
go
to
a
swimming
bath.
For
example,
what
should
we
build
every
school
of
swimming
baths
because
they
can't
swim
at
their
own
school?
You
have
to
make
use
of
it's
called
a
circular
economy,
trying
to
make
use
of
the
resources
that
you've
already
got
instead
of
recreating
more.
A
We
have
m2
speakers
in
favor
of
the
application,
who
is
maria
and
david.
O
Okay,
good
afternoon
everybody,
my
name
is
dave
gunning.
I'm
the
head
teacher
of
coburn
school
colbin's
school
was
built
with
a
capacity
of
1050
pupils.
200
pupils
per
year
group
lee's
city
council
asked
us
to
permanently
increase
our
pan
to
240
per
year
group
increasing
the
school
number
to
1200..
In
addition,
we
were
approached
by
local
councils,
lead
elected
members
and
senior
executive
officers
to
take
additional
bulls
cohort
of
60
pupils.
We
did
this
to
support
the
local
community.
O
We
deeply
cared
about
the
children
we're
in
south
leeds
and
we
wanted
the
children
who
live
within
the
local
community
to
come
to
their
local
school
and
not
have
to
travel
across
the
city
to
skills
that
had
been
allocated
to
them.
So
we
currently
have
1264
on
roll,
so
the
school
has
increased
from
its
original
number
of
1050..
O
O
Whilst
we
recently
gained
a
new
modular
building
built
on
the
skills
existing
tennis
courts,
we
agreed
to
take
an
extra
30
students
from
this
september.
At
the
request
of
lee
city,
council
and
local
councillors,
the
proposed
new
facilities
will
give
us
increased
capacity
for
football
rugby
and
replace
the
tennis
courts
lost.
This
will
ensure
that
our
pubes
can
study
practical
sports
and
take
part
in
more
extra
curricular
activities.
O
O
H
I
would
also
like
to
use
this
opportunity
to
address
aspects
that
the
local
community
appear
to
be
most
concerned
about,
in
terms
of
the
proposed
measures
to
intercept
the
3g
pitch
rubberized
granules
from
polluting
the
area
the
pitch
contractor
allowed
for
decontamination
units
at
each
gate.
In
addition,
all
of
the
proposed
new
playing
surfaces
and
access
paths
are
formed
in
porous
materials,
rain
falling
onto
these
surfaces
percolates
through
them
and
is
contained
within
a
layer
of
gravel
that
is
separated
from
the
natural
soils
beneath
by
impairmentable
membrane.
H
Whilst
we
are
unable
to
provide
more
trees,
the
remainder
area
of
the
former,
of
course
to
the
east
of
the
site,
will
include
creation
of
4.4
hectares
of
woodland
that
will
further
mitigate
tree
loss
and
improve
carbon
storage
in
this
part
of
leeds.
In
regards
to
concerns
relating
to
the
wealth
of
hedgehogs,
the
potential
for
impacts
on
hedgehogs
is
extremely
low.
However,
as
a
precautionary
measure,
initial
groundworks
could
be
subject
to
ecological
supervision.
Overall,
the
proposed
planting
within
a
former
golf
course
is
anticipated
to
be
significantly
beneficial
for
hedgehogs
due
to
creation
of
new
habitats.
H
Lastly,
I
would
like
to
clarify
that
the
support
comments
contributed
by
the
pupils
were
voluntary
and
were
not
made
at
the
request
of
teachers,
as
some
objectives
have
suggested.
Common
school
has
a
very
active
student
council
and
the
pupils
participation
in
a
demographic
democratic
process
such
as
planning
should
be
viewed
as
a
positive
thing.
To
conclude,
the
proposals
will
deliver
a
beneficial
addition
to
the
school
facilities.
A
Thank
you
if,
before
I've
opened
up
to
members,
could
you
tell
me
how
many
percentage
of
your
people
from
the
local
community
attend
your
school.
O
For
the
recent
admissions
figures,
the
children
live
less
than
a
mile
from
the
school,
so
at
coburn
we
with
an
oversubscribed
school
this
year
we
had
over
800
and
applicants
for
240
places.
Like
I
said,
we
agreed
to
take
an
extra
30,
so
that's
270,
but
the
children
live
within
walking
distances.
So
it's
less
than
a
mile,
so
the
children
who
live
within
the
local
community.
We
don't
bus
a
lot
of
children
from
outer
areas
because
of
the
the
demand
of
the
local
community.
A
And
if
these
children
wasn't
going
to
your
school,
they'd
have
to
be
bussed
miles
away
from
your
area
and
just
be
in
mind
that
leaves
up
a
policy
of
child
friendly
leads
and
the
children
is
for
tomorrow's
future.
So
I
do
think
the
school.
What
you
are
saying
is
based
in
a
local
young
people
and
which
is
benefit
for
the
community,
so
in
other
words
they
are
giving
it
back
and
all
the
activities
is
giving
it
back
to
the
deprived
local
community.
Thank
you,
counselor
milton.
E
With
regards
to
the
proposal
where
we,
okay,
let
me
start
the
existing
pitch
on
curb
campus
need
to
be
fully
and
properly
considered
with
regards
to
consideration
of
drain
matters,
drainage,
mattered
and
then
down
on
number
30.
E
It
stated
for
clarity.
The
area
to
the
east
of
the
existing
g
3g
pitch
has
also
been
assessed,
but
it
was
discontinued
due
to
containing
the
school
athletics
track.
Okay,
I
won't
go
reading
all
that,
but
then
it
says
this
will
result
in
a
temporary
loss
of
the
existing
pitches
to
facilitate
the
construction,
which
would
further
exacerbate
the
issue
with
the
school
ability
to
deliver
their
curriculum.
E
So
my
question
is
that
mean
to
say
you've
assessed
it
and
it
can
be
done.
However,
is
that
being
discontinued
due
to
the
fact
that
the
it
would
delay
it
would
exacerbate
the
issue
with
the
school
ability
to
deliver
the
curriculum,
but
it
can
be
done.
H
I'm
gonna
take
this
question:
counselor,
that's
okay!
So,
yes,
we
assessed
whether
we
could
have
the
proposed
pitch
within
the
existing
school
side,
and
the
answer
is
no.
The
current
size
of
the
proposed
pitch
will
not
fit
to
the
north
of
the
existing
frigid
pitch
nor
to
the
east.
It's
just
too
big.
However,
if
we
were
asked
to
consider
a
smaller
size
pitch,
so
when
the
smaller
size
pitch
does
fit
within
that
location,
however,
a
it
doesn't
need
meet
the
needs
of
the
sports
department.
H
H
I
have
provided
a
few
other
reasons
why
we
can't
do
it,
we're
still
going
to
be
taking
trees
out
if
we
go
to
the
east,
we're
quite
close
to
the
ancient
woodland
much
closer
than
we
are
on
current
site
and
ultimately,
I
think
the
key
thing
in
here,
although
we
we
have
considered
it
because
we
were
asked
by
the
planning
officer
and
the
members,
our
planning
application
is
for
the
former
golf
course
rather
than
for
the
school.
So
it's
if
we
wanted
to
do
this.
This
is
not
part
of
this
application.
E
Well,
you're
saying
that
it
would
be
smaller
is
that
without
the
the
tennis
courts,
so
it
could
be
done,
but
without
the
tennis
court.
H
O
In
terms
of
the
school
we
have
to
deliver,
the
national
curriculum
and
three
areas
of
national
curriculum
are
competitive
sports
and
that's
one
of
the
areas
so
for
the
size
of
peach,
it's
got
to
be
a
pitch
where
competitive
sports
can
be
played
on
and
when
we
looked
at
the
guidelines,
the
pitch
that
we
put
in
for
this
application
is
the
pitch
that
we
need
and
also
because
of
community
use.
O
A
lot
of
the
community
are
older
than
16,
so
we'd
restrict
community
use,
but
we
do
have
students
at
school
who
are
over
16,
because
we
have
students
who
are
out
of
year,
like
many
schools.
Schools
do
so,
but
it
still
doesn't
address
the
deficit.
We
are
35
percent
sure
we
were
35
short
when
the
school
was
originally
built
in
2008
with
1050
students.
We've
now
got
twelve
hundred
and
sixty
eight
we
increased
the
school
plan.
O
We
agreed
to
take
240
per
year
group
instead
of
210,
so
that's
put
an
additional
200
students
within
the
curriculum
and,
like
I
said,
we
deliver
a
30
week
school
where
many
schools
win
leads
deliver
25
because
of
the
provision
all
students
study.
Pe
it's
compulsory
from
year,
seven
to
year,
11
they
have
three
lessons
per
week
of
pe.
We
think
it's
vital
within
the
community
of
south
leads
to
address
some
of
the
issues
of
obesity,
mental
health,
fitness
and
it's
become
really
really
difficult
to
meet
the
needs.
O
We
could
have
said
to
the
local
authority
to
the
local
council.
No
we're
not
going
to
take
additional
children,
but
it's
my
firm
belief.
It's
a
community
school,
it's
not
my
school.
It's
a
community
school!
It's
the
heart
of
the
community
of
said
that
this
school
is
at
the
heart
of
the
community
and
it's
for
the
children
of
this
community
and
we
just
can't
deliver
the
curriculum
and
we're
feeling
the
pressures
and
we're
having
to
restrict
what
we're
delivering
and
you
know
we're
a
child-friendly
city.
O
A
O
Yeah
we
had
a
local
meeting
with
a
local
residents
and
they
objected
to
it
being
so
close
to
the
border
of
their
houses.
So
we
said
well
we'll
move
we'll
move
the
3g
pitch
to
the
other
side.
So
we
listen
to
the
local
community
and
we
we
we
moved
it
at
their
request.
L
Yeah
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions.
First
of
all,
I
I'm
really
concerned
with
how
you're
pitching
this,
because
you
seem
to
blame
in
the
council,
because
we've
asked
you
to
take
extra
pupils:
the
school's
a
school,
not
a
private
business.
I
just
want
to
make
that
point.
You
said
yourself
it's
at
the
heart
of
the
community,
so
please
don't
blame
the
council
for
asking
you
to
take
extra
extra
pupils.
I
have
two
questions.
One
is
about
the
hedge,
this
hedge
and
the
fence.
L
I
want
to
know
about
that,
because
we're
laying
hedges
around
the
city,
I'm
not
agreeing
to
any
hedge
to
be
ripped
up
to
be
replaced
with
a
fence.
I
want
to
know
why
this
fence
can't
be
put
the
other
side
and
secondly,
why
can't
these
pitches
be
grass?
Why
are
we
digging
up
grass?
Why
are
we
digging
up
our
natural
resources
to
put
a
lot
of
plastic
down
I'll
give
you
an
example,
my
son's
just
left
school
he's
16
and
he
was
at
school.
L
L
What
I
have
issue
with
is
digging
up
a
load
of
grass,
a
meadow
and
trees
to
replace
it
with
a
load
of
plastic.
So
I
know
you're
gonna
say
because
it's
all
year
round-
and
so
it
can
be
used
all
year
round.
Lots
of
other
schools
use
grass
plain
pitches
all
year
round
grass
playing
pictures
all
around.
So
I
want
to
know
why
it
can't
be
grass.
H
I'm
just
going
to
take
quickly
the
question
about
the
hedge,
so
no
hedges
are
being
removed
where
the
cobalt
path
is
up
just
to
clarify
this
we're
not
taking
anything
from
there
every
single
tree
on
a
shrub
that
is
being
removed
to
facilitate
this
development.
It's
marked
on
a
plan
that
was
included
within
steve's
presentation,
so
I've
tried
to
follow
the
objectives
comments,
but
I
don't
actually
understand.
I
think
it
is
a
historic
issue
and
with
no
hedge
and
counselor
you
are
right.
H
We
are
planting
more
and
ideally,
if
we
come,
we
don't
want
to
do
so.
We
tried
really
hard
not
to
lose
anything
there,
but
definitely
no
hedge
is
you
know
it's
problematic
in
terms
of
our
fencing.
We
can
still
have
defense
for
safeguarding
reasons
with
all
the
existing
hedges
over
there.
That's
absolutely
fine
I'll!
Let
david
answer
the
other
questions.
If
that's
okay,
thank
you.
O
I'm
not
blaming
the
council
for
taking
additional
children,
the
local
members
and
local
authorities
said.
Will
you
consider-
and
I
said
yes,
because
the
children
live
within
the
local
community-
they
live
on
the
doorstep.
So
there's
no
blame
for
the
council.
I
work
with
the
council.
I
work
very
closely
with
elected
members
to
support
the
children's
education.
You
know
I'm
an
educationalist
and
it's
you
know.
We
all
know
that
education
is
the
only
thing
that
can
improve
life
chances.
O
So
that's
the
first
one,
I'm
not
blaming
anybody,
the
local
children
that
live
in
the
local
community,
the
part
of
the
community.
Secondly,
the
reason
why
we've
gone
for
a
3g
pitch
is
because
of
usage
because
we
have
1200
children.
They
have
three
lessons
a
week:
five
year
groups.
So
it's
about
maintaining
the
pictures
and
making
sure
that
they
can
be
played
on
and
also
we've
looked
at,
some
of
the
sports
that
we
deliver
and
three
g
meets
meets
the
needs,
and
I
struggle.
O
Sometimes
why
are
we
denying
the
opportunity
when
we
can
have
outstanding
facilities?
And
if
we
went
to
harrow
or
eaton
private
schools?
They've
got
3g
pictures.
4G
pictures,
tennis
courts
and
we
deliver
outstanding
education
for
the
young
people
of
south
leeds.
We
should
be
celebrating
that
you
know
that
is
an
achievement
to
do
that.
O
We
we
go
against
against
the
grain.
You
know
it's
unheard
of
for
inner
city
high
schools
to
deliver
an
outstanding
education.
I'm
talking
about
february,
when
ofsted
came,
we've
done
the
same
to
south
lee's
academy.
We've
changed
that
around
it
was
inadequate
for
10
years.
Offstead
have
just
been.
It
got
outstanding
and
good
children
within
the
local
community
and
I'm
not
going
to
sit
back
and
compromise
the
education
of
young
people
and
settle
for
second
best.
Why
should
I?
O
Why
should
the
people
of
south
leeds
all
right,
the
school
they're
going
to
put
a
major
investment,
we're
going
to
invest
a
million
pounds
from
the
school
budget
to
match
fund
lee
city
council?
That
is
a
major
commitment
from
the
governors
of
the
school,
so
we're
using
local
money
for
local
children
to
improve
the
facilities.
So
it's
not
about
politics
to
me.
O
It's
about
education
and
it's
about
making
sure
the
children
of
south
leeds
get
exactly
the
same
standard
of
education
of
any
other
child,
regardless
of
where
they
come
from,
and
that's
what
it's
about
to
me
and
I
wouldn't
be
a
good
head
teacher
if
he
didn't
fight
for
my
school,
for
my
children
and
for
the
community
and
that's
why
people
want
to
send
children.
That's
why
we've
got
people
from
the
school
on
the
youth.
O
Parliament,
that's
why
we've
got
children,
an
active
school
council
and
it's
about
being
a
community
and,
like
I
said
ofsted
did
that
and
you
know
I
agree
with
you.
It's
unfortunate
trees
have
to
be
cut
down.
I
asked
the
planners,
I
asked
the
architect,
please
can
you
revisit?
Please,
can
you
see
if
it
can
be
done?
In
addition,
they
came
back
and
said
no.
It
can't
and
because
a
golf
course
became
available
from
2019.
O
It
allowed
us
the
opportunity
to
improve
the
facilities
and
all
we're
doing
is
improving
the
facilities,
all
right,
we're
not
doing
anything
else.
If
so,
we
can
deliver
the
curriculum
because
we're
sure
was
35
percent
sure
I
couldn't
understand.
If
we
could
deliver
all
the
curriculum-
and
we
were
not
sure,
but
according
to
dfe
guidance,
we
have
I'm
sorry
you're
getting
upset
because
I'm
speaking
my
mind,
but
that's
what
I'm
doing.
Okay,
that's
what
me
it's
my
opportunity
to
answer
your
questions.
L
Can
I
just
come
back
in
please
I've
got
I've
got
something
and
then
if
it
was
harrow
I'd
be
objecting
to
a
3g
picture.
Harrow
as
well.
I
don't
know,
and-
and
please
don't
tell
me-
I'm
getting
upset.
Don't
patronize
me.
My
son
went
to
school.
I've
done
all
those
things
that
your
school
want
to
do
and
all
those
things
that
your
school
are
doing
and
they've
still
got
a
grasp
playing
pitch.
So
I
don't
understand
why
we're
digging
the
grass
up
to
lay
a
load
of
plastic.
O
E
O
I
Look:
I've
got
the
minutes
of
the
remote
meeting
of
the
executive
board
wednesday
24th
of
june
2020
council
blaking,
the
chair,
all
the
people
on
at
this
particular
point
where
they
agreed
in
a
nutshell
that
the
proposal
for
the
freehold
to
transfer
the
land
identified
within
the
submitted
report,
which
forms
part
of
the
former
south
ladies
golf
course
called
the
monkey
academy
trust
be
approved
to
allow
the
delivery
of
the
sports
field.
Provision
required
as
part
of
the
proposals
detailed,
so
exec
board.
2020
are
basically
saying.
I
Look
we
want
you
to
do
us
a
favor.
You
need
to
take
these
extra
kids.
We
know
that
you're
committed
to
the
local
community
at
that
particular
point.
Part
and
parcel
of
the
deal
is
that
we
give
you
the
land
and
we'll
support
your
application
to
extend
the
sporting
opportunities
for
working-class
kids,
taking
into
account
that
you
seem
to
be
having
a
bit
of
a
battle
at
this
particular
point,
you
feel
that
perhaps
the
city
council
welshed
a
little
on
that
deal.
B
I'm
sorry
that
you
feel
that
we
we're
not
trying
to
get
the
best
for
kids
in
south
leeds.
In
fact,
I'm
not
sorry.
I
resent
the
idea
that
you
think
that
I
really
do.
We
are
sitting
here
trying
to
square
a
circle.
Quite
frankly,
so
I
asked
the
question
well,
two
two
questions
really
one
one
is:
the
chair
seemed
to
imply
that
in
the
questions
about
local
children
using
the
school,
but
somehow
if
these
facilities,
weren't
created
you'd
start
turning
children
away,
I'm
assuming
that's
not
true
right,
okay,
the
second
one!
B
I
would
ask
the
question:
we
know
about
the
executive
board
comments
and
you
built
the
extension.
What
was
it
29,
2019
2020?
B
Why
has
it
taken
up
to
now
to
come
forward
with
the
application
for
a
plane
pitch,
because
the
you're
out
you
the
basis
to
your
argument-
is
that
you've
a
shortage
of
to
make
the
dfe
guidelines?
You
have
a
shortage
of
space?
Why?
Why
didn't
it
all
come
at
once?
If
the
the
logical
situation
will
be,
you
would
build
the
extension
and
the
pitch
at
the
same
time
rather
than
come
back
and
tears
now
shall.
A
O
So
it
was
originally,
we
were
putting
the
application
in
for
the
modular
building
and
the
3g
pitch,
but
because
of
the
speed
we
needed
the
modular
building
and
because
it
was
a
it's
a
lead
city
council
application,
it's
not
a
school
application.
The
officers
at
leeds
city
council
said
would
be
better
doing
in
two
phases:
phase
one
and
phase
two.
O
Unfortunately,
we
didn't
expect
phase
two
to
last
so
long
and
that's
the
reason
we
asked
for
it
all
to
be
done
together,
but
because
at
least
it's
council
of
the
applicants,
they
said
we'll
do
it
in
two
separate
phases.
H
If
am
I
just
today,
because
the
applicant
team
is
not
here
today,
but
I
was
advised
that
that's
the
actual
reason
also
confirming
what
david
said
that
why
this
was
done
in
two
phases.
So
this
was
the
advice
that
project
managers
should
give
to
the
school,
because
the
module
building
was
needed
very
quickly,
so
they
didn't
want
to
combine
them
into
one
contentious
application.
Knowing
especially
that
this
is
a
green
boat
site.
H
A
J
Thank
you
chair.
I
also
take
exception
at
your
comments
that
we
don't
want
the
best
for
the
children
in
your
your
school.
J
We
want
the
best
for
children
all
around
this
city
and
there
are
many
schools
around
this
city
who
have
a
deficit
of
playing
facilities,
so
I
really
do
take
exception
to
that,
I'm
afraid
in
my
own
ward,
I've
got
schools
that
don't
have
any
plane
facilities
and
they
have
to
use
public
parks,
so
I've
got
I've
got
three
questions
for
you,
please
so,
first
off
with
the
attenuation
on
which
is
on
slide
13,
where
we've
got
the
different
layers
of
how
the
3g
pitch
is
formed.
J
Is
there
any
data
to
support
the
depth?
That's
needed.
We've
heard
how
the
area
is
subject
to
flooding.
So
what
is
going
to
stop
the
pitch
flooding
and
remain
usable
all
year
round,
as
is
your
want?
Is
there
any
data
to
support
the
depth
of
that
attenuation?
Please?
J
The
second
question
is
about
the
ramps.
Now
you've
put
some
ramps
in
which
are
dda
compliant
for
access
to
the
pitch
and
the
tennis
courts,
which
are
on
your
site,
but
you're
moving
a
public,
footpath
and
you're
diverting
that
around
an
area
which
again
is
is
very
likely
to
be
undulating.
Shall
we
say
so,
have
you
put
any
thoughts
into
the
dda
regs
for
the
wider
community?
When
you
move
that
path,
please
and
then
my
last
question
is
regarding
the
lighting.
J
So
if
this
is
passed
today
and
you
get
permission
to
create
this
area,
you
will
future
proof
it
by
putting
in
cabling
to
allow
lighting.
J
Now
it's
in
greenbelt,
we
shouldn't
have
light
pollution
in
greenbelt,
and
I
think
at
the
last
meeting
when
this
came
before
us,
I
asked
the
question
about
lighting,
because
without
without
the
lighting,
the
pitch
is
not
available
to
the
wider
community
for
most
of
the
year
and
yet
you're
kind
of
saying
I
don't
want
lighting,
but
I'm
going
to
put
the
electrics
in
so
I'd.
Like
those
comments,
please
thank
you.
H
Thank
you
counselor,
so
the
first
question
in
relation
to
the
depth
of
the
pitch
and
flooding
and
potential
draining
issues.
I'm
not
a
drainage
engineer
just
to
clarify
our
planning.
Application
is
supported
by
flood
risk
assessment
and
drainage
strategy.
So
in
line
with
that
strategy,
the
engineers
design
everything
so
the
pitch
isn't
flooded
and
obviously
the
depth.
How
how
I
mean
the
depth
of
the
construction
works?
Everything
is
related
to
the
drainage
strategy.
H
However,
there's
also
a
second
opportunity
for
the
council
to
assess
our
strategy
and
whether
we're
doing
this
correctly,
which
will
be
at
the
planning
condition
stage.
However,
we
have
not
received
any
concerns
from
from
a
flood
risk
management
team
in
relation
to
our
strategy
for
draining
the
pitch.
So
at
the
moment,
as
far
as
I
understand,
and
as
I
was
advised
by
our
technical
colleagues,
that
is
in
a
concern,
but
I
think
it's
a
very
valid
question
in
terms
of
the
ramps.
H
Yes,
so
we've
got
obviously
access
ramps
to
the
pitch
and
to
the
tennis
courts,
and
obviously,
we've
perhaps
mentioned
in
a
steve
presentation.
We've
got
resting
places
during
on
the
paths
within
this
application
site.
In
terms
of
the
diverted
public
right
of
way,
it
is
a
separate
application,
but
that's
something
I'm
personally
dealing
with,
so
I
can
explain
the
dda
compliance.
Our
the
diverted
path
is
going
to
be
three
meters
wide,
so
it's
much
wider
than
the
existing
one
and
it's
going
to
be
flexi
paved
two
different
types
of
flexi
pave
the
one.
H
There
is
basically
different
types
of
it
because
of
the
root
protection
areas,
but
ultimately,
what
that
means
that
is
going
to
be
accessible
for
everyone
horse
riders,
because
it's
a
permissive
brighter
way
as
well
as
well
and
wheelchair
users
and
pro
people
with
all
sorts
of
mobility
issues.
So
actually
the
this
is
actually
part
of
my
application
for
the
diversion.
The
new
footpath
is
more
user-friendly,
more
accessible
than
the
existing
one
levels
are
slightly
different
within
the
area
where
the
footpath
is
diverted.
H
Footpath
is
proposed,
I've
got
a
drawing
that
includes
the
levels,
but
our
architect
took
the
levels
into
account
and
basically
assess
whether
the
wheelchair
user
or
anybody
with
mobility
issues
will
can
actually
access
it
safely
and
continue
the
journey
on
a
path
onto
the
ancient
woodland
and
rest
of
the
pubs
that
links
with
the
old
one.
I
think
the
is
hopefully
question
two
and
just
a
question
three
about
the
lighting.
H
Yes,
you
are
correct
that
we
put
infrastructure
for
the
lighting
and
initially
our
proposals
include
the
lighting
columns
at
the
pre-application
stage,
and
we
have
discussed
the
impact
with
the
ecologists
with
the
planners
and
decided
that
we're
going
to
take
this
out
of
the
proposed
scope
of
works
at
this
stage,
just
to
go
back
to
one
key
thing:
that
it
wasn't
a
hard
decision
for
us
to
take
them
out,
because
the
main
reason
why
we
need
those
pictures
is
to
meet
the
curriculum
and
the
curriculum
can
be
met
during
daylight
hours,
even
in
the
winter,
with
some
stretch
on
some
of
the
months.
H
But
but
of
course,
we
do
try
to
generate
funding
for
the
school
for
the
schools
from
the
communities,
so
communities
are
still
important.
H
We,
I
I
haven't
been
informed
of
any
plans
to
include
the
lighting
in
this
application
and
it's
not
included,
obviously
at
the
very
end
of
it,
and
if
the
school
wish
to
apply
for
lighting,
they
will
need.
As
far
as
I
am
aware
that
we
need
planning
permission
and,
as
steve
mentioned
in
his
presentation,
they
will
be
back
in
front
of
you
members
to
consider
the
impact
of
the
columns.
H
H
I
understand
counselor
that
I
mean
yeah,
I'm
happy
to
take
that
question.
So
I
understand
that
the
initial
scope
when
the
budget
was
costed,
bear
in
mind
that
I'm
obviously
now
the
person
responsible
for
budgeting
of
this
project,
but
we
took
the
account,
took
the
cabling
enabling
into
account
when
we
were
budgeting
this
project.
We
took
the
three
to
one
replacement
ratio
and
amount
of
trees
we're
going
to
need
to
purchase.
H
We
took
a
into
account
all
the
surveys
we
needed
to
do
as
part
of
the
planning
application,
and
I
think
I've
said
it
before,
and
I
appreciate
it.
It
might
not
sound
like
a
genuine
answer,
but
it
truly
is
the
delays
on
this
project
cost
money
and
the
basically
we
run
out
of
money
and
cabling
was
always
part
of
it.
So
there
was
money
put
aside
and
I
and
I'm
sure
the
entire
design
team
wishes
that
we
had
more
money
to
include
the
trees
and
we
have
looked
at
it.
H
H
D
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
just
to
clarify
a
couple
of
things,
because
some
of
the
percentages
are
just
confusing
me
so
in
regards
to
there's
a
35
deficit.
Is
that
a
35
deficit
on
overall
land
that
you
don't
have
or
specifically
the
soft
play?
D
That's
so
that's
just
yeah.
If
you
could,
if
you
could
answer
that
one
sure.
H
So
how
the
this
is
a
deficit
based
on
number
of
children
at
the
school
and
based
on
the
current
playing
pitches,
so
everything
is
taken
into
account
the
grass
pitch
that
gets
waterlogged.
They
still
use
it.
If
it's
water
locked
up
tracked
with
david,
the
3g
pitch
the
athletic
struck,
everything
they've
got
on
the
site
has
been
basically
taken
into
account.
So
one
of
our
design
team
members
done
a
calculation,
so
there's
a
formula
to
do
it.
H
That's
basically
you
take
amount
of
children
and
what
provision
you've
got
and
what
sport
you
can
teach
and
then,
based
on
the
guidance
you
see
whether
you've
got
enough.
You
know
enough
spaces
to
teach
that
obviously
delivery
of
the
curriculum
and
the
fact
that
the
school
actually
delivering
more
lessons
than
comparable
schools
and
leads
also
takes
into
account.
So
I
don't
know
if
I
can
say
any
more
on
that,
but
obviously
this
is
all
calculated
of
what
school
exists.
Existing
provision
is.
Thank
you.
D
And
the
thing
is,
I
guess,
due
to
the
the
lighting
question,
but
I
guess
formally
of
the
of
the
previous
picture.
This
might
be.
Maybe
a
comment
to
the
officer.
I'm
not
entirely
sure
was
the
immunity
to
the
residents
specifically
due
to
the
lighting
that
you
ended
up
needing,
and
so,
if
it
is,
the
lighting
you're
going
to
now
potentially
build
a
new
3g
pitch
with
no
light
in
and
so
then
you're
going
to
spend
a
million
pound
on
then
something
that
then
isn't
going
to
be
used.
D
C
Sorry
yeah
interrupt
on
this,
but
because
I've
researched
the
history,
because
it
was
me
that
raised
it.
Obviously,
in
the
report
about
the
location
of
the
the
withdrawn
application,
there
was
something
around
about
69
objections
to
to
that
application,
but
it
covered
a
number
of
issues,
lighting
being
one
of
them,
but
one
was
the
close
proximity.
C
One
was
three
three
loss:
one
was
potential
for
balls
going
across.
One
was
noise
because
it
was
literally
hard
up
against
the
the
boundaries
some
of
the
properties
on
the
other
northern
side
of
the
pictures-
and
I
say
it's
an
interesting
conundrum-
this
isn't
it
in
a
way
because
actually
we
we've
got
into
a
lot
of
debate
about
potentially
moving
it
to
onto
this
other
site.
C
But
this
is
a
debate
that
was
happening
full
10
years
ago
and
discounted
and
resulted
in
the
current
pitch,
which
is
on
the
southern
side
and
exists,
which
now
obviously
also
restricts
the
size
of
putting
a
big
pitch
there,
even
if
you
wanted
to.
But
why
would
you,
I
suppose,
if
you're
going
to
get
loads
of
objections
again?
H
Thank
you
steve.
I
think
that
answers
most
of
it
and
that's
very,
very
helpful,
but
just
to
say
about
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
a
light
lighting
and
we're
still
going
for
it.
It
all
goes
back
to
the
fact
that
the
school
just
wants
to
deliver
the
curriculum.
So,
ultimately,
if
this
wasn't
the
main
driver,
they
would
have
pushed
more
for
the
columns,
but
at
the
moment
the
key
priority
for
them
is
to
deliver
those
lessons
and
be
able
to
offer
all
those
sports
to
the
children.
H
So
I
guess
you
know
going
forward
and
also
there
is
another
thing
if
you
I
work
on
quite
a
few
schools-
and
I'm
sure
councillors
have
also
knowledge
on
this,
because
a
lot
of
these
schemes
end
up
in
this
room.
So
if
we,
you
know,
if
we
include
the
pitch
this
with
columns
changing
rooms,
you
name
it.
Ultimately,
we
have
to
have
a
business
plan.
G
H
Thank
you
counselor,
so
I
don't
have
the
full
design
because
it
will
be
at
the
condition
stage
and
again,
I'm
not
a
contractor.
However,
what
the
contractor
told
me
that
every
single
gate
will
have
the
contamin
decontamination
unit
basically
works
both
ways.
I
think
you
put
your
feet
in
it
and
it
takes
all
the
residue
from
wherever
you
came
from,
so
you
don't
actually
pollute
the
pitch
and
destroy
its
quality
and
does
the
same
thing
that
holds
down
to
all
the
sand
and
the
rubber
crumbs
when
you're
leaving
the
pitch.
H
H
I
will
be
more
than
happy
to
provide
a
further
details
and
condition
stage
because
we
have
to
anyway
we
had
a
contractor
appointed
about
halfway
through
the
project,
so
some
of
the
nitty
gritty
details
and
construction
stage
drawings
having
been
produced
in
time
to
present
it
to
you,
so
apologies
that
I
can't
really
I
don't.
I
didn't
want
to
google
it
because
I
don't
want
to
lie
to
you
what
they're
going
to
do
when
they're
actually
going
to
go
with
a
different
product.
H
K
I've
got
one
question
and
then
I've
got
some
other
ones
afterwards,
depending
what
the
answer
to
the
first
one
is.
Are
you
working?
Are
you
the
client
of
the
council
at
all,
or
is
it
just
a
school?
Are
you
acting
in
that
capacity?
H
Hello
hi,
so
I'm
the
agent
I'm
acting
on
behalf
of
leeds
city
council,
who
is
the
applicant,
so
site
development
team.
That's
that's
my
role!
Planning
agent.
A
K
K
K
So
they've
been
part
of
that
one,
but
then
the
the
more
precise
questions
earthworks
roughly
how
many
vehicles
are
you
going
to
need
to
flatten
this
area
out?
The
reason
I'm
asking
is
that
this
highways
officer
had
a
lot
of
problems
with
both
horseforth
golf
course
and
headingley
golf
course
doing
exactly
the
same
thing
and
causing
absolute
havoc
in
the
local
community,
because
the
conditions
weren't
set
properly
in
the
first
place,
so
how
many
vehicle
movements
would
you
be
doing
with
that
in
terms
of
the
debate
that
you've
seen
taking
place
over
the
rubber
crumb?
K
Now
last
week
we
had
people,
quoting
sports
england,
saying
that
everything
was
acceptable.
The
football
association
saying
everything
was
acceptable.
We
then
had
an
expert
from
a
health
background
saying
it
wasn't
acceptable.
So
what
evidence
have
you
been
able
to
get
on
behalf
of
the
children?
Because
after
all
the
bottom
line
here
is
it
will
be
the
children's
health
that
will
be
affected
in
the
long
term?
So
what
assurances
have
you
got
about
the
health
impacts
of
the
rubber
crumb
and
then
the
final
one
is
the
recycling
of
the
pitch.
K
Where
are
you
going
to
take
the
pitch
to
and
what
you're
going
to
do
with
it?
Because
again,
we
were
advised
that
there
is
no
great
process
for
disposing
of
these
types
of
pitches
for
good
upper
bad.
It's
not.
This
doesn't
affect
just
you.
This
affects
a
number
of
other
applications.
So
the
question
is
about
the
council
and
going
a
bit
further
earth
works.
Health
work,
the
health
impacts
and
what
you're
going
to
do
about
recycling
the
pitch
marie.
K
On
that
point,
I've
braced
this
at
development
plans
panel
in
the
past,
and
what
we've
set
is
the
minimum
standards
that
need
to
be
adopted,
not
the
maximum
standards.
If
an
applicant
chooses
to
go
further,
it's
the
same
as
a
housing
application.
This
was
a
house
network
which
is
not
if
an
applicant
wants
to
make
it
into
a
zero
carbon
house.
K
They
are
free
to
do
so
if
it
is
their
so
desire
of
their
cost
model,
so
lead
city
council
can
and,
in
my
view,
should
in
order
to
look
after
the
community
be
going
further
than
the
minimum.
That's
all
I'm
asking
them
to
do
is
to
make
this
this
more
acceptable,
not
trying
to
argue
against
why
we
should
refuse
it,
I'm
only
trying
to
say
in
order
to
do
it,
I
think
we
should
be
putting
pressure
on
the
council
to
say
no,
we
will
go
further.
K
C
Just
briefly
on
this
particular
point,
all
the
members
obviously
sat
around
this
table
are
members
of
the
council.
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
point.
So
it's
part
of
that
decision
making
process
and
we
are-
we
are
in
a
period
of
extreme
financial
constraint
and
not
wishing
to
defend
the
applicant,
the
council,
particularly,
but
I
am
a
council
officers.
C
However,
when
push
comes
to
shove-
and
if
say
they
were
to
do
that
now-
let's
say
they
did
have
the
money,
because
there
are
some
budgetary
issues
here
which
are
not
really
for
us
to
consider
and
we
have
a
scheme
in
front
of
us.
That's
policy
compliant
as
jonathan's
pointed
out,
but
what
happens
unfortunately,
we've
seen
it
happen
at
this
panel.
Is
that
later
on
some
applications.
C
I
understand
the
aspiration,
but
I
think
we
need
to
have
some
reality
and
some
reasonableness
in
terms
of
if
the
applicant
is,
if
the
applicant
is
providing
policy
compliance
schemes,
then
actually
we
should
be
approving
them,
not
not
going
beyond
that.
Now.
I've
said
before
that
in
the
presentation
that
the
the
council,
and
certainly
the
policy
section,
are
aware
of
some
of
the
vacuums
that
are
in
these
policy
issues
and
are
developing
policies.
But
again
that
takes
time
so
sometime
next
year
we
will
be
chasing
more
trees
and
we
will
have
a
policy.
A
K
Is
it's
up
to
us
to
challenge,
to
try
and
get
improvements
if
possible,
and
that's
why
I'm
saying
that
the
council
could,
if
they
wish-
and
it's
not
come
down
to
cost,
go
to
leeds
university
in
terms
of
the
trees
go
to
glenn,
garner
glenn
garner
has
got
an
excellent
way
of
calculating
the
asset
value
of
trees
and
also
the
amount
of
carbon
that
a
tree
emits.
He
is
an
expert
on
it.
We
have
an
expert
in
this
council
who
can
do
it
if
we
so
that's.
K
You
know
the
council
experts
can
give
us
the
information
if
they're
so
minded
and
they
are
brilliant
at
the
job.
They
do
don't
get
me
wrong.
They
are
brilliant
at
their
job.
In
doing
that,
that's
why
we've
got
such
a
good
forestry
section.
I
know
some
of
us
might
criticize
them
for
other
reasons,
but.
H
I
guess
I
would
like
to
add
to
what
jonathan
and
steve
already
said,
how
I
see
it
counselor
and
it's
a
planning
application
and
when
we
prepare
planning
application,
we
look
at
policy
if
there
is
a
chance
to
do
something
better
and
a
lot
of
these
school
projects
actually
end
up
to
have
improvement
like
this
one.
We
have
additional
15
trees
and
we
doubled
the
biodiversity
improvements
that
obviously
it's
all
it
costs
to
the
applicant.
H
So
when
we
have
opportunity,
we
we
try
to
do
better,
and
I
appreciate
that
this
is
application
by
leed
city
council,
but
I
guess
the
beauty
of
planning
policy
is
that
it
applies
to
everyone.
It
doesn't
really
matter
who
is
the
applicant.
So
when
I
assess
the
requirements
for
this
planning
application
and
advised
lead
city,
council
and
design
team,
and
when
I've
met
with
the
planning
department,
ecologists
and
landscape,
you
know
we
we
basically
we
were
told
this
is
what
we
need
to
provide.
These
are
the
policies
you
need
to
consider.
H
We
have
been
told
to
look
at
you
know,
opportunities
to
include
more
trees
and
we've.
We
have
included-
and
I
appreciate
it-
maybe
the
15
trees
is
in
what
council
has
had
in
mind,
but
this
is
the
limitation
and
it
is
policy
compliant
and
we
have
looked
at
what
currently
the
policy
is.
I
think
the
issue
is
with
the
councils
updating
its
policy,
I
mean
with
the
carbon
assessment
of
the
trees.
I
have
actually
looked
into
it
and
I've
seen
some
of
the
information
the
council
understand
referred
to.
H
But
eventually
they
will.
I
just
we
were
at
the
point
of
the
application
that
this
was
an
ask
of
us
at
the
two
are
pre-application
meetings:
it's
not
con.
It's
not
a
policy
requirement
and
the
outcomes
of
the
survey
wouldn't
get
us
any
further.
It
was
if
they
told
us
here.
You
need
200,
more
trees
to
offset
this
instantly.
Where
would
I
get
the
200
trees
from
we
wouldn't?
So
this
is
the
truth,
and
I
wanted
you
to
know
how
we
assess
the
situation
as
well.
Thank.
K
H
H
Okay,
so
the
other
questions
I
think
I
got
lost
in
a
wider
discussion
if
you
could
concentrate
earthworks.
H
H
H
H
So
simple
answer:
I
don't
have
number
of
vehicles
how
many
of
them,
but
this
can
also
be
controlled.
There
are
plenty
of
types
of
vehicles
we're
going
to
have
the
discussion
with
the
highways
office
at
the
discharge
of
condition
stage,
which
ultimately
will
allow
us
to
adapt
the
size
and
weight
of
the
vehicles
to
local
highway
network
and
f
works.
H
I
mean
I've
got
plenty
of
information.
How
deep
the
curtain
fail
is
going
to
go
and
how
they're
going
to
do
it
again.
We
have
a
contractor
appointed
who
is
a
very
experienced
contractor.
Who
also
knows
the
site
very
well
from
phase
one
I
mean
everything
will
have
to
be
undertaken
in
line
with
all
the
regulations
and
procedures
which
apply
to
hedgehogs
and
everything
else.
So,
however,
given
that
I'm
not
a
design
manager
or
a
contractor,
I
don't
think
I
can
provide
any
specific
details
on
earthworks.
K
How
many
vehicle
movements
do
you
need
because
that,
as
the
highways
officer
will
be
able
to
confirm
it,
had
a
significant
impact
because
you've
got
to
get
the
loads
of
earth
in
you've,
got
to
get
the
vehicles
back
out
again
and
it
does
damage
the
road.
It
means
there's
an
argument
over
who's
going
to
be
responsible
for
repairing
the
road
that
comes
along
there.
Does
it
fall
to
highways
to
repair
it,
or
does
it
fall
to
the
applicants
to
repair
it?
It's
important.
K
We
know
so
that
we
can
condition
it
because,
in
my
experience,
what
happened
and
this
highway
after
hopefully,
will
confirm
it
came
because
the
council
didn't
write
tight
enough
conditions.
So
what
I
was
looking
for
was
from
yourself.
If
you
put
a
condition
on
us,
we
will
comply
with
it
fully.
That
was
all
I
was
watching
from
you
on
that
one.
Nothing
else
that
was
that
was
it.
H
Counselor
just
said,
obviously
I
couldn't
confirm
the
exact
number
of
vehicles
again.
However,
what
I
can
say
to
you-
and
I
think
I
forgot
to
mention
david
just
reminded
me-
we
are
reusing
the
soil
from
the
f
works
and
we've
got
already
provided
the
council
with
details
of
the
location
of
the
area.
We're
gonna
stockpile
it.
H
So,
instead
of
this
material
being
brought
into
the
site
in
large
vehicles,
we
already
gonna
have
that
material
within
a
site
and
also,
if
we
propose,
for
example,
to
have
four
vehicles
come
in
daily
and
if
this
is
not
appropriate
for
the
hype
for
the
local
roads,
I'm
sure
the
highways
department
will
let
us
know
at
the
condition
stage
and
basically
reduce
the
number
of
vehicles
that
come
into
the
site.
So
I
guess
we
can.
There
is
a
good
opportunity
to
deal
with
it
at
the
detail
stage.
Thank
you.
C
D
Yeah,
just
thanks
counselor,
you
know
how
well
we're
involved
with
headingly
and
golf
course,
but
these
are
significantly
larger
developments
than
what's
in
front
of
us
now
right.
So
the
the.
G
We've
learned
from
these,
I
accept
that
we've
learned
from
horse
with
golf
course
and
from
heading
the
golf
course,
and
if
it's
it's
a
it's
a
before
and
after
highway
condition,
server
we
can
and
the
developer
the
council
will
be
responsible
for
fixing.
Any
damage
goes
to
the
highway
to
the
highways.
That's
fine.
H
So
again,
I'm
not
a
3g
pitch
specialist
and
still
the
final
design
will
come
at
the
condition
stage.
However,
I've
discussed
the
recycling
of
the
existing
3g
pitch
with
david.
H
Unless
you
appreciate
it,
it
was
a
company
that
installed
the
pitch
and
therefore
the
school
who
doesn't
have
the
expertise
or
the
capacity
to
recycle
is
relying
on
the
expertise
of
a
specialist
that
deal
with
3g
pitches,
and
I
cannot
comment
whether
there's
any
facility
in
leeds
or
anywhere
else,
because
I
haven't
done
the
research,
so
I
don't
understand
how
it
will
be
disposed
of
and
I'm
I
haven't.
I've
done
a
few
pretty
pitches
in
my
career,
but
I've
never
actually
been
asked
about
this
question.
H
D
Any
at
any
point
was
there
any
consideration
of
extending
the
current
3g
pitch,
and
that
way
you
could
have,
because
I,
I
guess,
there's
an
argument
to
say:
well,
we
can
gain
you
know,
maybe
more
soft
play
area
which
is
better
for
competitive
sports,
but
I
also
think
that
you've
really
overlooked
something
really
basic
and
fundamental,
which
would
have
been
the
gain
of
such
a
beautiful
space
for
the
children
in
the
first
place,
and
you
didn't
have
to
have
damaged
it
in
the
way
that
it
will
be
and
the
concerns
that
members
have
you
wouldn't
have
had
to
exacerbate
any
of
it.
D
Just
by
extending
the
current
3g
pitch.
You
know,
I
think
many
members
wouldn't
have
had
an
an
issue
with
that.
You've
currently
got
3g
pitches,
but
the
children
could
have
gained
so
much
more
from
orienteering
or
cross-country
with
the
huge
amount
of
land
you
would
have
gained
and
I'll
be
honest,
I'm
really
frustrated
that
we've
come
back
a
second
time
and
and
actually
a
lot
of
stuff
that
we
brought
up
first
time.
D
It's
it's
basically
we're
going
to
dig
our
heels
in
a
little
bit.
So
at
any
point
was
the
current,
because
obviously
we
just
found
out
now
it's
you're
putting
in
a
million,
and
I
think
the
council
are
also
putting
a
million
so
for
two
million
pounds,
I'm
sure
you
could
have
just
extended
the
current
3g
pitch
wider
and
longer
in
its
current
situ
and
the
children
would
have
gained
such
an
amazing
space
with
without
without
what's
going
to
happen
on
it.
H
I
might
try
to
answer
these
questions.
Thank
you
councillor
mixed
approach
with
david.
So,
yes,
when
we
were
asked
to
consider
alternative
location,
we
have
considered
everything.
I
think
it's
it's,
even
if
we
extend
the
size
of
the
existing
3g
page
and
that
in
mind,
I
haven't
actually
tested
the
logistics
of
it
because
there
was
obviously
a
contractor
will
have
to
see
whether
this
can
be
done.
H
However,
this
will
not
obviously
deal
with
the
deficit
and,
yes,
we
have
considered
a
lot
of
people
actually
at
the
pre-application
stage,
local
community
have
sent
me
emails,
asking
whether
we
considered
this
area
of
the
former
golf
course
to
be
turned
into
an
informal
place,
something
like
go
ape
or
something
a
bit
more
unconventional.
H
So,
unfortunately,
because
it's
a
secondary
school,
they
have
a
bit
less
freedom.
What
they
can
do
david
will
talk
about
what
they
already
do.
However,
they
obviously
they've
got
a
curriculum
that
they
have
to
stick
to,
so
obviously
they
can
try
to
amend
some
of
it.
I
guess
I'm
not
entirely
sure
how
far
that
goes,
but
if
they
have
the
curriculum,
a
national
curriculum
to
stick
to
to
deliver
a
certain
level
of
physical
education
for
secondary
school,
that
informal
space
wouldn't
work
as
well
as
it
would
work
on
primary
school.
H
I
think
david
will
be
best
if
david
answers
the
rest
of
it.
Thank
you.
O
Yeah,
thank
you
if
we
did
extend
the
existing
3d
picture
going
to
the
area
where
there
was
the
objections
10
years
ago
next
to
the
local
residents
in
terms
of
the
tennis
courts,
we
did
have
tennis
courts,
but
the
new
modular
bill
was
built
on
top
of
the
tennis
courts.
We're
also
a
school
who's
got
net
national
tennis,
accredited
accreditation,
so
we
applied
and
because
a
lot
of
the
children
don't
play
tennis
within
in
the
city
communities.
We
had
a
a
school,
it's
recognized
for
tennis.
O
That's
why
we
just
want
to
replace
the
existing
tennis
courts
that
were
lost.
If
they
hadn't
built
the
modular
building.
On
top,
we
would
have
still
had
the
tennis
courts.
We
do
use
the
external
areas
as
well.
We
use
it
for
science,
we
use
it
for
cross
country,
so
we
do
you
use
even
95
of
existing
green
space.
That
will
will
will
be
there
and
we,
you
know
the
skills
fully
supports
what
the
local
community
want
to
do
with
the
area.
D
Please
come
just
back
on
it.
Sorry.
The
deficit
was
mentioned
again,
I'm
not
against
you
getting
the
land.
In
the
first
place,
I've
got
frustrations
on
what
you're
planning
on
to
do
the
land.
So
if
you're
saying
like
you
couldn't
have
extended
3g
pitch
five
meters,
you
know
what
in
length
or
five
meters
in
width
it
certainly
wouldn't.
I
can
you
know
you
can
see
on
this.
You
can
see
on
the
map
it
wouldn't
have
encroached
or
on
to
the
neighbors
in
any
way,
shape
or
form.
H
I
can
take
half
of
that
question
again
so,
okay,
how
to
I
think,
let's
break
it
down.
So,
even
if
we
extend
that
pitch
and
make
it
bigger
and
obviously
it
will
probably
improve
some
of
the
aspects,
but
it's
still
a
single
pitch
right,
so
we're
still
not
dealing
with
the
deficit.
If
the
school
has
a
curriculum
to
teach
football
or
rugby
going
back
to
informal
space,
they
can't
teach
them
in
a
golf
course
with
the
38
trees
over
there.
H
They
just
can't
because
it's
not
going
to
be
possible,
and
so
I
fully
appreciate
all
the
questions
and
I've
gone
through
exactly
the
same
questions.
For
last
two
years,
I've
been
working
on
this
project
a
little
bit
less
than
two
years,
but
we
can
on.
If
we
got
what
we've
got
here
today.
With
this
application,
we've
got
the
opportunity
councillors
to
basically
to
end
all
the
problems
the
schools
are
currently
having.
Rather
than
putting
money
into
half
solution
that
is
not
going
to
solve
everything.
H
It's
ultimately,
an
opportunity
to
address
the
deficit
provides
enough
facilities
for
rugby
for
football.
For
tennis,
that's
you
know,
there's
obviously
quite
important
here.
So,
unfortunately,
some
of
things
would
to
back
to
your
question.
Some
of
it
will
work,
but
some
of
it
wouldn't
and
it
wouldn't
be
for
us
a
viable
and
feasible
solution.
Thank
you.
A
A
I
Thanks
chad
want
to
stephen
one
to
the
legal
officer.
If
I
may,
in
terms
of
questions
to
steve
one
of
the
few
times,
I
possibly
agree
with
the
report.
This
put
up.
That's
a
20-year
thing,
but
leaving
that
aside,
the
concern
that
I
would
certainly
have
is,
if
there
is
any
agreement
for
future
community
use,
that
it
needs
to
be
strong
and
robust.
I
Similar
agreements
in
my
own
backyard
at
bruncliff
has
not
worked
for
all
sorts
of
reasons.
The
school
it's
not
as
committed
to
the
community
as
it
should
be.
It
can
make
more
money
by
doing
other
things,
so
I'd
be
interested
in
understanding
how
we
can
condition
a
strong
agreement
that
makes
sure
that
the
community
does
benefit
from
any
extended
opportunities
to
use
this
new
facility.
Should
it
be
agreed.
I
Well,
at
this
particular
point,
is
somebody
who
plays
on
a
3g
pitch
regularly
without
flood
lights
as
long
as
it's
not
dark.
That
may
well
be
a
relevant
factor,
but
you're
getting
a
lot
of
playing
time
at
this
particular
point
either
way,
but
leaving
that
aside
declaring
an
interest
that
I
do
actually
play
on
a
3g
pitch
regularly,
the
second
one
to
the
chief
legal
officer,
if
you
could
just
run
us
through
the
green
belt
test,
so
the
sporting
element
of
it,
if
you
like,
is
not
regarded
as
inappropriate
development.
I
C
Yes,
we
could
draft
a
condition
regarding
the
community
use
agreement,
but
what
what
what
put
before
is
that
it's
currently
as
a
lot
of
other
schools
is,
let
least
by
lee
city
council,
so
there's
an
agreement
in
place
for
the
city
council
to
be
leasing
this
to
the
community
anyway.
So
is
the
is
the
question
really
that
we
don't
trust
the
school
or
we
don't
trust
lee
city
council
to
lease
it.
It's
a
difficult
one
to
answer,
because,
yes,
we
could
add
that
condition.
But
at
this
point
he's
trying.
I
To
achieve
at
this
point
I'll
name,
the
school
brunch
already
do
it
through
lettings,
it
doesn't
work.
It
excludes
a
lot
of
the
local
groups.
At
this
particular
point
now
we
can
condition
this.
I'm
sure
this
isn't
a
deal
breaker
in
any
shape
waveform.
We
can
condition
it
to
make
sure
that
the
enamel
this
was
an
illegal
agreement
that
was
drawn
over
20
years
ago.
It's
out
of
date
at
this
particular
point.
So
now
I'm
going
to
go
with
letting.
C
F
So
in
a
in
a
nutshell:
yes,
you
have
it
correct
in
how
you
outlined
the
green
belt
test,
so
we've
got
that
development
in
the
green
belt
is
harmful.
If
it's
inappropriate
now
the
sporting
facilities
and
the
provision
of
sports
facilities
can
be
considered
to
be
not
inappropriate
development.
So
that's
fine
within
the
terms
of
the
framework.
F
We
then
need
to
look
at
the
fencing
as
you
reference
and
go
into
whether
give
consideration
to
preserving
the
openness
of
the
green
belt
and
whether
that
openness
is
preserved
and
whether
the
development
then
goes
against
the
purposes
for
including
land
within
the
green
belt.
F
So
the
operation
of
laying
out
the
tennis
courts,
the
3g
pitches
is
not
inappropriate
because
that's
the
sporting
facilities,
but
then
there's
the
removal
of
trees,
level,
changes
and
the
provision
of
the
fencing.
So
you've
got
to
consider
whether
that
is
acceptable,
whether
the
openness
of
the
green
belt
is
preserved
and
whether
it's
balanced
with
the
other
benefits
that
this
scheme
brings
and
therefore
whether
the
other
benefits
that
are
brought
by
the
scheme
outweigh
the
harm
to
the
green
belt.
C
Chair
just
before
we
go
to
further
questions,
and
I
mean
the
thought
did
strike
me
as
I
went
to
the
toilet.
There
was
an
open
door.
I
might
just
disappear,
but
there
were
a
couple
of
misunderstandings
I
think
at
the
beginning-
and
I
would
like
to
just
bring
members
back
to
these,
because
I
think
it's
only
fair
to
do
so,
going
right
back
to
the
representations
from
the
community.
C
C
C
Even
if
the
the
pitch
was
extended,
the
existing
pitch.
That's
there
now
is
extended
and
you
put
another
one
on
in
a
way.
I
think
the
school's
still
deficit
in
its
provision.
So
even
then
it
doesn't
actually
cover
it
fully.
But
there
is
a
bit
of
an
issue
here,
because
we
talked
about
the
curriculum
for
the
school
and
not
being
able
to
deliver
it,
and
I'm
sure
the
head
teacher
would
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
on
this.
C
Yes,
it's
an
outstanding
school
at
the
moment,
but
it's
struggling
and
cannot
deliver
the
curriculum
if
this
provides
the
delivery
of
the
curriculum.
But
it's
not
actually
then
approved.
Where
does
that
leave
the
school
with
the
curriculum?
And
although
the
school
in
the
head
would
continue
to
take
kids
into
it
because
I'm
sure
as
an
educator,
he
wouldn't
want
to
do
anything
else.
The
difficulty
then
becomes.
C
So
I
just
thought:
I'd
clarify
that
there
was
a
question
I
think
from
councillor
hazelwood
and
I
think
council
bouldin
bowdoin
repeated
it
later
about
the
pitch
and
why
digging
up
grass
just
remember
that
one
of
the
issues
here
is
the
area
that
now
is
talked
about
being
waterlogged,
which
cannot
be
used
to
its
maximum
capacity.
C
So
really,
the
pitch
is
quite
simply
about
maximizing
the
usage,
because
this
usage
of
that
pitch
by
everybody
and
of
every
age
group
and
including
the
school
and
the
community,
because
there
are
already
areas
they've
got
a
problem
with
and
again,
even
if
this
pitch
is
provided.
I
suspect
that
actually,
in
terms
of
the
full
area,
it
remains
slightly
deficient.
C
Counselor
smith
asked
the
questions
about
any
data
to
support
the
construction
type
of
the
pitch
and
the
depth
of
the
attenuation
tank.
Well,
the
one
point
that
we
just
missed
there
was
that
actually,
that
attenuation
tank,
which
is
effective,
the
gravel
bed
is
it
has
been
on
on
the
data
and
on
climate
change.
Issues
is
meant
to
take
a
1
in
100
rainfall
event,
plus
40
percent
additional
capacity
because
of
continuing
climate
change.
So
I'm
hoping
that
answers
that
it's
big
it's
the
same
size
as
the
pitch
and
deep.
C
There
was
a
question
about
that
was
raised
about
no
interest.
One
of
the
letters
of
support
of
the
application
actually
comes
from
beast
and
safc,
I'm
assuming
fc's
football
club,
I'm
not
sure
what
sa
is,
but
but
obviously
there
is
some
interest
there
from
other
clubs
and
adult
clubs
to
to
to
to
use
the
pictures.
So
it's
not
poorly
correct
to
say.
There's
no
interest.
C
Council
anderson
made
a
raised
issue
about
wanting
to
make
this
application
acceptable,
and
I
tried
to
say
at
the
time
that
I
fully
understand
that
aspiration,
but
the
question
I
would
put
back
in
a
way
I
suppose
is,
but
by
definition,
if
the
proposal
is
policy
compliant,
is
it
not
acceptable.
C
Which
is
policy
compliant?
In
fact?
It's
over
that!
Isn't
it
because
there's
an
additional
15.,
then
actually
it
is
acceptable
on
the
basis
of
our
current
policies.
I
did
explain
that
there
are
other
policies
in
draft
that
are
trying
to
improve
that
situation,
because
this
is
a
regular
discussion
that
we
have
at
this
planned
pal,
but
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear.
It
is
actually
policy
compliant
and
therefore,
by
definition,
it
would
be
acceptable
in
that
respect.
C
There
was
this
issue
about
the
the
the
crumb
disposal.
Ultimately,
the
end
of
the
day.
I
don't
think
this
is
an
issue
for
panel,
because
the
environment
agency
would
have
the
responsibility
if
there
was
any
problems
regarding
the
the
disposal
of
the
crumb
at
some
later
stage-
and
I
hear
what's
being
said
by
councillor
campbell,
but
I
just
want
to
make
that
point
and
and
going
back
to
the
hedge,
I
mean
that
that
really
was
was
a
bit
irrelevant
in
a
way.
C
Wasn't
it
because
that
was
a
historic
issue
may
or
may
not
have
been
perpetrated
by
by
the
school.
I
honestly
don't
know,
but
actually
it's
not
relevant
to
this
application.
So
I
just
thought:
I'd
clarify
those
few
things
and
I'll
do
my
best
to
take
any
other
question
bounce
in
the
world.
Sure
sorry.
D
I
guess
it's
a
slightly
about
before,
but
in
regards
to
this
sort
of
whether
or
not
it's
inappropriate
is
it.
Is
it
not
deemed
inappropriate-
and
I
know
again
we
we're
kind
of
going
on
to
the
deficit
aspect.
They've
had
a
deficit
of
35
percent
and
building
this
supersized
pitch
it's
going
to
be
increasing
135
percent
and
the
and
by
their
own
measures
is
the
requirement
is
35.
I
think
it.
You
know,
I
think
it
is
a
they
could
have.
D
It
could
have
been
very
easily
to
have
extended
the
current
pitch
by
35
and
it
would
have
been
maybe
that
the
same
size
of
what
they're
going
to
plan
to
build
now-
and
I
I'm
not
against
the
you-
know
the
land
being
granted
to
them.
They
might
have
had
to
have
leveled
the
pitch
to
maybe
have
been
able
to
use
it
for
athletics
or
other
or
other
sports.
But
is
there
not
a
level
of
inappropriateness
if
they
could
have
current
land
that
they
could
have
just
utilized
what
they
want
to
do
anyway?.
C
We're
actually
mixing
two
things
here.
Well,
it
is,
it
is.
It
is
a
question
chair,
we're
mixing
two
things
here:
one
which
is
green
belt
policy
and
what
what
types
of
development
are
considered
to
be
by
definition,
inappropriate,
and
we
came
down
to
the
fact
that
actually,
as
as
pipper
explained,
that
the
provision
of
the
sporting
facility
itself
ie
the
pitch
is
not
it's
not
inappropriate,
but
actually
the
surrounding
fences,
so
that's
completely
separate
to
actually
providing
or
trying
to
discuss
or
consider
the
provision
of
the
pictures.
C
It
needs
that
pitch.
So
if
you
were
to
increase
it
by
35
percent,
you
then
still
need
another
pitch
somewhere
to
to
get
up
to
the
to
the
quantum
that
they
require.
If
they're
going
to
follow
the
the
guidelines
and
within
the
school
boundary,
the
only
place
that
you
can
put
that
is
further
to
the
north,
which
is
exactly
where
the
pitch
10
years
ago
was
withdrawn
because
of
significant
objection
from
the
community
for
a
number
of
reasons
which
was
included
lighting
but
noise
and
the
ball
damage
and
removal
of
tree
stroke.
C
C
But
the
increase
in
the
size
of
the
school
means
that
this
pitch
is
now
required
and
actually,
if
you
think
about
it-
and
I'm
trying
to
make
this
really
simple,
because
I
think
some
of
the
issues
have
got
lost
in
the
argument
of
time
a
little
bit
if
you
extend
it
by
35,
it
doesn't
give
you
that
quantum.
So
you
would
still
need
another
pitch.
So,
yes,
you
could
do
it,
but
you
need
another
pitch.
C
The
other
issue
is
to
try
and
force
it
down
to
the
to
force
it
onto
the
area
which
is
con
currently
flooded,
but
the
fact
that
it
does
get
flooded.
Yes,
some
of
it
could
be
solved.
But
again
you
don't
really
have
the
area
and
then
the
other
alternative.
Is
you
actually
rob
the
school
of
another
facility
that
it
already
has
and
wants
to
keep?
Which
of
course,
is
the
running
track?
C
D
And
I
I
guess
the
other
question
is
so
I
was
in
education
for
nine
years
and
and
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge
that
I
don't
think
the
department
of
education
does
ask
you
to
have
3g
pitches.
C
C
C
Can
I
just
finish
please,
I
think
I
think
the
problem
here
is
that
we've
said
before
that.
Actually,
that
pitch
is
required
of
that
type
to
maximize
its
usage,
and
you
can
use
a
3g
pitch
because
of
its
construction
because
of
its
maintenance
much
more
intensively
than
you
can
a
traditional
grass
pitch
that
that's
the
difference
and
that's
the
point
I
need
to
make.
G
I
don't
know
whether
this
is
for
mr
butler
or
the
legal
officer
now
maybe
being
slightly
naive
here,
but
I
always
thought
greenbelt
was
about
natural
environment.
G
F
It
passes
the
green
belt
test
because
greenbelt
actually
has
to
do
about
the
environment,
but
also
openness,
more,
preserving
an
open
view
of
space
so
that
nothing
is
harmed
nothing's
harming
that
nothing's
impacted
on
that
vision
that
you
see
and
therefore
a
3g
picture
of
sporting
facilities
of
any
type
are
deemed
not
to
be
inappropriate.
Because
of
that
reason
the
openness
with
most
sporting
facilities
is
preserved.
F
So
under
the
national
planning
policy
framework
and
code
by
our
local
policy,
we
see
that
it
preserves
the
openness
and
therefore
it's
not
inappropriate
development
to
have
sporting
facilities.
I
think
one
important
thing
to
keep
in
mind
when
we're
looking
at
the
green
belt
issue
and
also
discussion.
That's
been
going
around
about
the
possible
carcinogenic
nature
of
the
materials
used
as
well
as
how
it's
going
to
be
disposed
of
is
that
some
of
these
points
are
issues
well,
particularly
on
the
type
of
material
used
in
disposal.
F
Those
are
governed
by
other
areas
of
legislation
which
is
not
planning
legislation,
and
so
the
role
of
planning
committee
is
not
to
be
here
to
usurp.
Another
area
of
the
law
that
is
already
dealt
with
by
another
area
of
law
planning
committee
is
here
to
implement
the
planning
law,
which
is
what
we're
looking
at
today,
and
also
to
to
consider
what
defensible
reasons
committee
might
put
forward
for
a
refusal.
If
this
application
was
going
to
be
refused
today
and
committee
would
need
very
strong,
watertight
reasons
for
refusal.
F
So
that's
got
to
be
considered,
for
example,
with
the
tree
replacement
provision.
What
is
being
offered
by
the
applicant
is
policy
compliant.
So
if
trees
were
seen
to
be
such
an
issue
by
panel
that
it
led
to
refusal
that
would
put
forward
a
refusal
reason,
I
don't
know
what
the
refusal
reason
would
be,
because
what
is
being
delivered
on
the
trees,
for
example,
is
policy
compliant.
C
Sorry,
councillor
govani:
it's
not
a
naive
question
because
actually
the
wording
of
inappropriate
or
not
inappropriate
yeah.
If
you
look
back
at
it,
somebody
wants
to
do
it
in
plain
english,
because
it's
shocking
the
way
that
it's
written,
but
can
I
just
make
the
introduction
to
what
philippa
said,
perhaps
a
bit
simpler,
put
simply
some
things
in
the
green
belt
are
deemed
appropriate.
C
L
C
C
But
in
terms
of
just
the
simple
economics
of
it.
If
you've
got
the
opportunity
to
do
it
now,
why
wouldn't
you?
Because
otherwise
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
you've
just
built
and
put
in
such
as
the
paths
and
surrounding
infrastructure?
You
will
then
be
going
back
and
taking
out
and
adding
to
the
costs.
So
I
I
don't
see
why
that's
complicated,
because,
if
anybody's
suspicious
of
the
motives
for
doing
that,
that's
fine,
but
that
will
be
controlled
by
a
separate
application.
C
C
But
that
is
would
be
covered
by
a
separate
application
and
obviously
because
of
the
debate
today
and
the
the
the
concern
that's
being
raised
almost
certainly
that
application
will
be
called
to
come
back
to
this
panel
for
yourselves
to
discuss
again.
L
Okay,
can
I
can
I
ask
philippa
with
the
inappropriate
nurse
of
development.
So
it's
not
the
fact.
Councillor
girvani
asked
the
question
and
he
said
it
wasn't
the
fact
that
it's
it's
3g,
the
it's
it's
plastic
and
it's
the
the
the
vision.
You
know
the
openness
that
needs
to
be
maintained,
so
the
problem
is
with
the
the
fencing
rather
than
the
actual
pitch
yeah.
So
what
about
lighting
then
is
lighting
inappropriate
as
as
the
fence
would
be
inappropriate
and
that's
what
we
have
to
consider.
F
So
that
would
have
to
be
considered
at
the
time
that
any
consideration
of
lighting
was
being
put
forward
as
a
separate
and
in
that
instance,
again
as
to
whether
the
the
lighting,
if
any
lighting,
was
brought
forward
as
part
of
an
application.
So
whether
that
interferes
with
the
approach
with
the
openness
of
the
space
or
whether
that
is
deemed
inappropriate.
F
And
if
it
is
deemed
inappropriate
by
panel.
Whether
that
can
then
be
balanced
against
what
benefits
are
seen
and
whether
those
benefits
that
are
coming
forward
outweigh
the
the
harm
and
the
inappropriate
element.
C
So
the
simple
answer
is
actually
yes,
but
they
come
forward
if
they
were
to
come
forward
with
an
application.
They
would
then
have
to
make
a
special
case
to
actually
for
us
to
consider
as
to
why
we
would
ever
basically
overrule
that
inappropriateness.
B
I
think
we're
we're
all
sitting
here
in
a
in
a
very
difficult
position
and
we've
been
accused
of
are
apparently
accused
of
not
wanting
to
do
the
best
or
the
council
have
decided
that
we
want
to
do
this,
and
I
think
there
were.
B
There
must
have
been
a
bit
of
an
issue
two
or
three
years
ago,
when
the
discussion
took
place
about
extending
the
school
itself,
and
I
get
the
impression
that
certain
commitments
were
made
in
relation
to
extra
land
for
plane
facilities,
and
I
think
that's
caused
a
bit
a
bit
of
a
problem.
B
I
think
we
we
all
understand
now
the
issue
in
relation
to
green
belt,
so
my
interpretation
is
in
effect.
There
should
be
no
development
in
greenbelt.
That's
national
and
local
policy
unless
there
are
very
special
circumstances
and
if
there
are
very
special
circumstances,
there
can
be
some
development
and
it's
helpfully
described
as
development
that
can
be
considered
not
inappropriate
double
negative
there,
which
is
always
a
gem,
isn't
it
and
in
the
past,
playing
pitches
have
been
regarded
as
not
inappropriate.
B
So
if,
if
we
are
persuaded
to
set
aside
greenbelt
policy-
and
this
is
the
policy
decision
we
are
going
to
make-
then
this
use
does
seem
to
be
compliant
with
policy.
B
If
we
agree
the
initial
policy
we
should
be
set
aside
greenbelt-
and
the
question
we
have
to
ask
ourselves
is:
are
the
reasons
for
setting
aside
greenbelt
policy
sufficiently
strong
to
counteract
the
issue
in
relation
to
the
detrimental
effect
of
the
green
belt,
because
this
will
have
a
detrimental
effect
on
the
green
belt?
Okay
and
that's
a
decision
we
have
to
make
and
it's
a
difficult
decision
to
make.
B
It
would
have
been
much
easier
for
me
to
make
that
decision
if
I
felt
that,
as
part
of
the
application,
steps
were
being
taken
to
mitigate
against
the
the
impact,
the
visual
impact,
the
wildlife
impact,
the
sustainability
impact
on
the
green
belt
of
the
development.
B
Okay
and
I've
got
a
number
of
points,
and
I
have
to
say
I
don't
believe
there
is
a
significant
community
benefit.
Okay,
so
I've
got
a
number
of
points
that
in
no
particular
order
which
at
the
moment
mean
I
have
great
difficulty
in
supporting
this.
Now,
I'm
not
saying
in
the
future.
I
never
will
have
I'm
simply
saying
at
the
moment.
B
I
have
so
I'm
not
clear
from
the
what
was
being
said
and
the
the
the
the
documentation
about
the
new
footpath
route
about
how
suitable
it
will
be
and
how
appropriate
it
is,
and
I
appreciate
that
diverting
a
public
footpath
is
for
public
rights
of
way,
but
in
effect,
if,
if
we
were
creating
a
public
footpath,
we
would
expect
the
public
footpath
to
be
usable
by
everybody.
And
I
am
not
clear
from
this
that
it
is.
B
B
I'm
also
not
clear
in
relation
to
the
drainage-
and
I
know
we've
talked
about
this
tank
underneath
the
underneath
the
pitch,
but
I
am
looking
at
my
personal
experience
relating
to
the
school
next
door
to
where
I
live,
where
they're
also
putting
a
3g
pitch
in
and
as
part
of
the
planning
permission
for
that
there
was
a
much
more
detailed
set
of
drawings
provided,
which
which
covered
how
the
water
would
be
collected,
how
the
water
will
be
filtered
and
how
the
water
will
be
disposed
of.
I
don't
see
any
of
that
information
here.
B
I
suppose
what
we're
asking
in
relation
to
gain-
and
mr
butler
has
basically
said
well,
let's
go
into
development
plans
that
the
new
improved
one
of
a
better
word
is
going
to
development
plans
panel
next
week
and
therefore
it'll
be
some
time
before
except
it's
accepted,
but
it's
going
to
develop
a
plans
panel
and
I
don't
feel
that
development
plans
panel
will
say
they
don't
agree
with
it,
but
the
baseline
is
we
own
this
site,
it's
our
land
and
if
we,
if
this
was
a
private
developer,
we'd
be
using
this
as
a
ransom.
B
We'd
be
saying
no
we'd
like
you
to
meet
our
new
policy.
It's
not
particularly
onerous.
Oh
it's!
It's
slightly
more
aroused,
but
he's
not
particularly
honest,
but
so
we
as
the
landowner
who
are
allowing
the
development
to
take
place,
would
like
you
to
be
our
current,
our
new
policies
and-
and
it's
not,
you
know
we're
not
being
rotten
about
trees.
You
know
it
is
a
well
thought
out
policy.
B
I
don't.
I
know
mr
butler
keeps
referring
to
it
as
the
redundant
golf
course,
but
you
know
it's
sometimes
this.
It
was
a
golf
course.
Quite
frankly,
if
you
go
look
at
it
now,
you'd
never
know
it
were
a
golf
course.
It
looks
like
a
it
looks
like
a
meadow
actually
and
I
think
you've
got
to
cut
you've
got
to
stop
pretending
that
simply
because
by
calling
it
a
redundant
golf
course,
it
means
that
somehow
this
is
more
acceptable.
B
I
I've
mentioned
the
trees.
I
have
some
concerns
about
planting
whips
because
I
don't
know
about
the
rest
of
you.
But
if
you
look
at
the
big
tree
planting
we've
had
over
the
the
last
two
winters.
B
The
success
rate
on
whips
is
absolutely
diabolic
and
I
would
say
to
you
if
I
look
at
oakley,
if
you
look
at
it
on
the
negative
side,
we've
we've
planted
two
and
a
half
thousand
whips,
of
which
one
and
a
half
thousand
have
died,
who
had
killed
one
and
a
half
thousand
trees.
So
I'm
not
sure
about
that.
B
I
I,
the
nature
team
do
have
a
view
and-
and
you
said
the
school
disagree
with
it.
I'm
going
with
the
nature
team.
B
Quite
frankly,
I
think
they're
viewed
this
this
this
path,
that's
that's,
got
sets
on
it
the
old
path
which
is
mentioned
in
the
beast's
neighborhood
plan,
and
I
appreciate
if
the
recent
neighborhood
plan
is
not
adopted,
it
isn't
full
planning
law,
but
it
depends
what
stage
it's
at
and
if
it's
been
identified,
then
it
is
a
material
consideration
in
my
opinion,
and
it
seems
to
me
that,
in
effect,
the
school
are
building
a
fence
round
the
path
and-
and
it
said
at
certain
times
of
the
day
well
mostly
at
night,
it'll
be
accessible
to
the
public,
even
though
there's
nowhere
to
go,
and
so
it
seems
to
me,
why
isn't
the
red
line
going
around
that
the
path
because
at
least
that
would
give
some
ownership?
B
And
if
it
is
a
historical
asset,
it
would
mean
that
somebody
looked
after
it
because
at
the
moment
I
don't
see
anybody
doing
that.
I
think
there
has
to
be
a
condition
which
relates
to
the
end
of
life
strategy
of
the
pitch
again
going
back
to
prince
henry's.
There
is
a
condition
about
what
do
you
do
at
the
end
of
the
10-year
period?
B
You
know,
and
we
we
do
that
on
a
regular
basis.
So
if
it
was
a
temporary
building,
we'd
say
and
at
the
end
of
10
years
you
do
this
xyz
and
get
rid
of
it.
So
there
needs
to
be
a
condition
like
that.
B
B
I
have
to
ask
the
question
as
you,
as
you
did
last
time:
if
it
gets
to
four
o'clock
in
december,
it's
unusable
because
you
can't
see
anything.
So
there
has
to
be
something
about
that.
I
think
also
there
needs
to
be
some
sort
of
policy
in
relation
to
the
management
of
the
construction.
B
You
know
you
very
touched
on
the
vehicles
going
in
and
out.
There
may
not
be
that
many,
but
there
will
be
implications
of
vehicle
movement,
so
we
need
a
effectively
a
construction
plan
and
in
relation
to
the
the
health
potential
possible
health
risks
associated
with
rubber
crum.
B
I
know
it
there's
quite
a
bit
on
facebook
about
it,
but
it
is
quite
simple.
We
could
simply
ask
our
public
health
people.
What
is
the
current
thinking
in
relation
to
this
and
if
we're
satisfied,
then
we're
okay?
So
I
think,
from
my
point
of
view,
panel
has
to
make
a
decision.
Do
we
agree
the
principle
of
setting
aside
greenbelt
policy
to
to
allow
this
to
happen?
B
G
Thanks
chair
gosh,
it's
been
a
long
and
detailed
afternoon
chair
and
I
think
one
of
the
glories
and
the
beauties
of
the
uk
planning
system.
Is
it
its
attention
to
detail
and
we've
we've
seen
that
this
afternoon.
G
G
Let
us
not
underestimate
the
benefits
to
the
life
chances
of
children
in
this
area,
from
extending
these
sports
facilities
to
some
that
might
sound
like
a
small
thing,
but
I
think
it's
enormously
important
thing.
What
do
sports
of
all
kinds
build
where
they
build
character?
They
build
resilience,
they
build
the
ability
to
take
defeat
and
victory
in
equal
measure,
and
this
application
will
allow
children
to
to
see
more
of
that
and
the
school
to
fulfill
its
needs.
It
is
an
outstanding
school
that
needs
repeating
again.
G
So
let's
look
at
planning
matters.
We
need
to
concentrate
on
planning
matters
this
afternoon.
Colleagues,
there
is
a
green
belt
test.
To
my
mind,
this
is
part
of
the
green
belt
test
and
I
think
that's
been
clear
from
country
from
legal
and
from
others,
there
is
a
net
tree
and
the
net
biodiversity
gain.
G
Let
us
remind
ourselves
that
this
proposal
takes
only
five
percent
of
what
used
to
be
the
golf
course.
It
is
now
as
councillor
campbell
so
rather
looks
like
an
assortment
of
meadows
and
succession
areas.
He
only
takes
five
percent
of
that
area.
That
was
only
gifted
to
the
community
in
2019-2020,
and
if
we
cast
our
mind
back
to
the
map
that
was
displayed
chair
that
showed
both
the
golf
course
and
the
middleton
park
estate,
we
can
see
that
in
reality,
that's
an
incredibly
small
part
of
that
area.
G
Now
the
trading
of
that
incredibly
small
part
of
the
area
provides
enormous
benefits
to
this
community.
There's
been
a
lot
of
commentary
this
afternoon
that
separated
the
children
of
this
community
from
the
community.
I
disagree.
Communities
are
cohesive
holes
made
of
all
age
groups
and,
frankly,
as
a
father
of
three,
I
tend
to
put
the
children
of
my
children
at
my
heart
on
my
thinking
and
the
heart
of
the
way.
We
look
at
all
things
that
come
across
come
to
us
in
in
live
chair,
including
this
plan
application.
G
Yes,
there
are
concerns,
but
none
of
those
concerns
outweigh
the
incredible
benefits
that
this
community
could
benefit
from
somewhat
of
a
cliche.
Isn't
it,
unfortunately,
in
english
culture,
where
there's
a
joke?
Oh
won't
somebody
think
of
the
children.
Well,
actually
it
shouldn't
be
a
joke.
Should
it
we
have
an
opportunity
before
us
here
to
absolutely
think
of
the
children.
G
That's
why
I'll
be
supporting
this
application
chair,
and
I
would
also
draw
colleagues
attention.
Lastly,
to
two
things:
climate
emergency
gets
mentioned
a
lot
and
colleagues
will
well.
Colleagues
will
know
that
I
have
some
considerable
experience
in
climate
climate
fields,
one
of
the
biggest
impacts
a
school
has
is
its
school
run.
G
G
I
I
feel
like
I'm
in
an
altered
universe
at
this
particular
point,
and
I
had
to
look
up
the
60
series
sci-fi
series
that
actually
put
in
a
weird
and
different
world,
and
it's
the
outer
limits
for
those
of
us
who've
been
around
long
enough.
We
might
remember
the
outer
limits
all
that
sort
of
stuff,
and
why
do
I
feel
I'm
in
this
alternative
universe?
Well,
for
one,
I'm
agreeing
with
cancer
wall
show
for
the
first
time
that
I
am
aware
of
at
this
particular
point,
but
for
another
we
have
an
educator.
I
You
know
at
the
point
where,
quite
rightly,
we
should
be
talking
in
very
strong
terms
to
developers
we're
not
we're
backing
off
and
yet
at
a
point
where
an
educator
is
turned
round
the
education
system
in
south
leeds
we're
there
questioning
his
motives
and
making
all
sorts
of
weird
and
wonderful
allegations
against
him.
At
this
particular
point
now
I've
been
around
long
enough,
but
some
of
you
have
also
been
around
long
enough
to
know
what
a
basket
case
south
leads.
I
Education
was
anytime
from
2000
onwards
at
this
particular
point,
and
this
educator
and
his
team
have
turned
that
round
and
said
to
working
class
communities.
Now
we're
not
going
to
accept
a
second
class
education
for
you,
we're
going
to
make
sure
that
you
have
higher
respiration
we're
going
to
make
sure
that
you
don't
give
in
that.
You
don't
accept
second
class,
whether
that's
in
sporting
activities
or
whatever
it
actually
might
be,
and
then
we're
also
told
well.
You
know
we
can
get
rid
of
the
tennis
courts,
because
working
class
kids
shouldn't
be
playing
tennis.
I
Perhaps
that
should
be
left
to
eaten
a
hallow
or
some
other
places
at
this
particular
point
and
where
the
point
where
we
have
a
significant
problem
with
obesity
with
all
kids
but
particularly
working
class,
we
are
obsessing
about
some
health
issue
that
may
or
may
not
exist
other
than
on
facebook.
So
it's
a
peculiar,
peculiar
world
that
we're
finding
ourselves
in.
At
this
particular
point.
I
This
school
is
offering
a
working-class
community
got
left
behind
real
opportunities
at
this
particular
point,
and
it's
doing
that
under
very
difficult
circumstances.
And
what
we're
saying
this
afternoon
is
we
don't
care
about
these
difficult
circumstances,
we're
going
to
continue
to
make
sure
those
circumstances
remain
difficult
instead
of
giving
out
a
bit
of
a
hand
up
to
make
sure
those
kids
continue
to
thrive
and
do
well
despite
the
communities
that
they've
come
from
we're
hearing
from
ward
members
that
they
know
it's
difficult.
I
It's
a
challenging
application
at
this
particular
point,
but
they're
the
ones
who
speak
up
for
their
particular
community
and
say
we
know
that
the
kids
education
is
ultimately
the
heart
of
this
application.
So
I
am
bemused
bemused.
Why?
Colleagues,
certainly
colleagues
across,
but
I
thought
have
been
chomping
at
the
bit
to
make
sure
every
working-class
kid
gets
the
best
opportunity
possible
trying
to
figure
out
all
sorts
of
different,
difficult
obstacles
to
put
in
the
way
of
them
achieving
this,
because
on
straight
planning
grounds.
I
On
the
other
hand,
now
we're
supposed
to
be
about
balance,
and
I
can't
figure
out
how
the
impact
of
some
fencing
is
so
overwhelming
that
it
undercuts
all
of
these
other
opportunities,
all
the
options
that
we've
got
where
we
can
do
something
exceptionally
positive
at
this
particular
point,
because
those
are
really
the
only
grounds
that
you
can
refuse
this
application
on
it's
policy
compliant
and
I'm
a
serial
refuser
of
officer's
recommendations
at
this
particular
point,
a
serial
refuser
I
mean
I
can't
remember
the
last
time
I
supported
one,
but
leaving
that
aside,
the
bottom
line
is
when
you
condense
this
down,
if
you're
looking
at
the
broader
issues,
the
balance,
it's
about
making
sure
this
community
benefits
positively
and
we
give
this
school
all
of
the
kids
that
attend
this
school
a
hand
up-
and
this
is
what
it's
about
this
afternoon.
I
K
K
Person
speak,
I
think
we
all
agree
with
those
bigger
comments
where
I
do
have
a
different
is
the
balance
that
we
need
to
look
as
to
how
what
we
can
do
for
the
community.
We
also
have
members.
The
two
members
that
were
read
out
today
are
broadly
supportive
of
it,
but
would
like
to.
I
got
the
impression
we'd
like
to
see
some
enhancements
and
some
further
things
being
done.
Two
other
counselors
have
contact,
have
contacted
either.
K
So
I
so
where
I'm
coming
from
on
this,
because
then,
if
you
look
at
page
20
the
number
of
organizations
that
have
raised
objections,
if
you
look
at
paragraph
17,
where
we
made
comments
the
last
time
have
these
been
resolved,
I
would
say
no
on
balance
so
one
and
so
for
the
reasons
that
councillor
campbell
put
forward,
I
would
actually
prefer,
if
we
deferred
this,
to
get
further
information
and
further
chance
to
negotiate
on
behalf
of
the
community
and
on
behalf
of
the
councillors,
who
would
like
to
push
a
little
bit
further.
K
A
A
K
Well,
my
interpretation
of
what
they
said
is
as
good
ward
members.
They
are
saying
on
balance,
we
are
in
favor
of
this,
but
we
if
there
is
any
possibility
of
an
enhancement
or
improvements,
we
would
like
those
to
be
considered.
That's
my
interpretation
of
what
they've
said.
If
somebody
disagrees
fine,
that's
my
interpretation
of
them
being
good
counsellors
asking
for
that.
They
broadly
support
something
but
they're
aware
that
some
parts
of
their
community
have
concerns,
and
if
these
could
be
resolved,
they
would
be
more
than
happy
if
they
could
be.
D
Yeah
I've.
Actually
I've
found
this
more
conflicting
than
probably
anything
I've
done
on
plans
panel
in
the
short
time
I've
been
on
it.
I
still
think
there's
been
quite
a
lot
of
confusion
almost
between
the
granting
of
the
land,
but
actually
what
I
think
many
people
have
brought
up
is
actually
the
specific
application
and
what
they're
going
to
do
with
it.
I
wouldn't
have
had
less
of
an
issue,
even
if
some
of
the
trees
were
failed,
even
if
there
was
some
leveling
of
the
ground
taking
place
and
they
could
have
used.
D
It
also
just
a
thing
that
was
sort
of
said
before,
while
hedgehogs
might
be
sort
of
being
positioned
in
in
the
woodland.
This
habitat
is
exactly
what
they
utilize.
They
use
the
edge
of
woodland,
so
they
might
not
be
being
dropped
in
the
current
space.
But
actually
this
is
pride.
It
is
actually
prime
hedgehog
gland.
The
utility
of
the
of
the
space
is
the
resounding
issue
wanting
to
do
the
3d
pitch
and
we're
sometimes
somehow
suspending
disbelief
and
we're
pretending
that
we've
never
had
olympians.
D
E
Sometimes
we
have
to
make
difficult
decisions,
but
with
this
application,
I'm
having
difficulty
with
it,
because
when
I
first
received
it
and
read
it,
I
felt
that
it
was
a
done
deal.
E
E
If
you
like
to
know
my
life
story,
you'll
know
what
the
private
is.
So
I
I
take
great
offense
when
anyone's
talking
about
we
don't
care
about
children
or
anyhow,
you
want
to
put
it
and
we,
you
know
not
getting
them
to
climb
the
ladder
etc.
E
Just
because
we
we're
objecting
to
certain
things
and
and
passing
remarks
that
you
not
all
school
as
tennis
courts
and
that
the
school
don't
have
to
have
tennis
court
for
children
to
move
forward
and
regarding
the
the
the
pitch
with
us
asking
for
it
to
be
extended,
etc.
E
You
know-
and
so
I
take
great
offense
with
that-
it's
nothing
to
do
that.
We
don't
want
our
children
to
strive
and
have
the
best
within
leads,
because
we
do
and
when
you
come
from
the
black
community.
That's
what
we
do.
All
the
time
strive
for
the
best
for
our
children
and
fight
for
the
best
for
them
for
them
to
get
a
step
up
the
ladder.
So
in
because
we're
we're
passing
certain
remarks
about
what
is
required
doesn't
mean
we
don't
care.
G
Thank
you,
chair
yeah.
This
is
a
chippy
cool
one.
I
don't
like
the
idea
of
the
3g
pitch
5g
pitch,
how
many
g
it
is
football
pitch
grass
pitch.
Yes,
as
I
said
when
we
looked
at
this
a
month
ago,
a
local
sports
club
with
over
100
teams,
so
that's
1100,
I
saw
members-
is
currently
building
new
grass
pitches.
G
I
mean
it's
effectively.
What
they're
doing
with
the
gravel
sink
anyway
is
for
the
drainage,
so
you
can
still
do
that
and
have
a
grass
pitch
and
kenzler
anderson
raised
issues
of
work
done
at
horseface
golf
club
and
headingley
golf
club.
G
They
didn't,
have
any
sort
of
wheel
scrub
when
they
were
leaving
the
site-
and
I
don't
know-
perhaps
the
highways
officer
can
tell
us
and
tell
us,
can
that
be
a
condition
on
the
side.
I've
been
clarified,
yeah
yeah.
Thank
you.
I
think
that
would
be
that'd
be
good,
hope.
I'm,
the
sports
club,
I'm
talking
about
in
horseforth,
is
effectively
doing
a
similar
thing
to
this.
In
that
it's
having
to
level
the
site,
so
there's
very
little
movement
of
soil
in
or
out
and
the
local
roads
are
kept
clean.
G
G
G
G
L
Yeah
again,
apologies
because
I
wasn't
here
on
the
7th
of
july
I
had
covered,
so
I
am
you
know
I
have
come
to
this.
It's
the
first
time.
I've
discussed
this.
So
thank
you
for
everyone's
contributions
and-
and
I
too
I
I
have
absolutely
no
issue
with
the
pitches.
You
know
with
sports
facilities,
for
the
the
pupils
at
the
school,
no
issue
whatsoever.
L
However,
you
know
and
and
that
the
the
piece
of
land
there
that's
been
allocated
to
the
school.
I
have
no
issue
with
that.
I've
just
fallen
on
from
councillor
gavani's
comments
there
about
the
the
pitch.
I
know
when
my
son
played
rugby.
He
mainly
played
on
a
on
a
grass
pitch
and
had
to
have
boots,
but
they
had
to
have
another
pair
of
boots,
because
if
you
went
somewhere
that
played
on
the
on
the
3g
pitch,
she
had
some
other
pair
of
boots.
L
So
again
the
cost
is
you've
got
to
do
lots
of
kit,
basically
for
depending
on
what
you're
playing
on
as
well,
so
that
that
contributes
to
it.
So
I
again,
I
found
myself
in
an
alternative
reality.
L
I
found
myself
agreeing
with
councillor
campbell
and
councillor
anderson,
which
doesn't
go
on
record
very
often,
but
I
would
like
to
propose
that
I'm
not
even
gonna
try
to
put
their
recommended
their
suggestions
into
a
recommendation,
but
I
would
like
to
propose
would
go
with
some
kind
of
recommendation
around
what
they
were
saying
that,
yes,
we
we
agree
in
principle
the
development
of
the
green
belt,
but
as
the
conditions
that
they
have
put
forward.
L
That's
what
we
want
to
see
and
I
would
also
like
to
put
an
extra
condition
that
comes
back
to
next
plans
panel.
So
we
don't
delay
the
development
because
I'm
conscious
that
they
want
to
get
this
done
for
the
pupils
at
the
school.
So
I
wanted
to
come
back
to
the
next
class
panel,
so
we
can
have
those
those
details
and
get
it
you
know
if
we
want
to
pass
it,
we
can
get
it
through.
L
Is
it
yeah?
I
haven't
spoken
all
afternoon.
I
agree
totally
with
what
jules
has
said
there
we're
not
against
developing
education
for
our
underprivileged
young
people.
That's
what
we're
on
this
side
of
the
political.
L
About
is
the
use
for
the
community
and
I
think
that's
got
to
be
some
condition
in
this
proposal
about
how
they're
going
to
use
that
facility,
because
without
lights,
they're
not
going
to
get
the
the
advantage
of
using
that
facility
in
the
winter
months
and
at
the
weekends,
because
it's
going
to
be
solely
used
by
the
school.
So
I
think
we've
got
to
have
some
conditioning
on
that.
B
If
it
would
help
chair,
if
it
would
help,
I
will
propose
that
in
principle
we
accept
the
rationale
for
setting
aside
greenbelt
policy
to
provide
a
pitch
adjacent
in
the
green
belt
adjacent
to
the
to
the
school
all
right
bolt
before
we
agree
to
sign
it
off.
B
We
have
a
number
of
other
conditions
points
we'd
like
clarifying
or
agreeing,
but
we
are
happy
to
expedite
that
in
as
timely
manner
as
possible
and
more
than
happy
to
deal
with
that
at
the
next
plans
panel
meeting
and
those
I
think
I
I've
made
a
list
here
which
I'm
quite
happy
to
pass
on
and
I'm
not
sure
if
barry
didn't
add
another
one.
Okay,.
A
C
Chi,
can
I
just
before
we
go
to
any
motion
on
this.
I
think
there's
a
time
issue
for
the
school
of
yet
further
delay,
because,
as
we've
said,
please
let
me
finish.
B
With
the
greatest
respect,
mr
butler,
we
have
spent
all
afternoon
knocking
this
about,
and
it
should
be
fairly
clear
to
you
by
now
that
some
of
us
have
significant
concerns
about
this
development
and
we
are
attempting
we've
been
accused
of
not
wanting
the
best,
which
is
not
true,
which
has
really
upset
us,
and
we
are
attempting,
as
I
said
quite
clearly
then,
to
expedite
this
matter,
because
we
know
that
they,
the
school,
would
like
to
move
forward.
We'd
like
to
move
forward,
and
so
this
is
a
mechanism
for
moving
forward.
B
B
C
Chad,
if
I
can
just
finish,
I
appreciate
that,
but
I
also
appreciate
that
that
some
of
the
information
that
was
done
in
the
summary
is
actually
inaccurate
as
well,
but
we
normally
in
these
situations,
because
if
members
are
minded
to
actually
approve
in
principle
and
I've
got
a
list
of
one
two,
three
four
five,
six,
seven,
eight
additional
conditions
to
add.
We
would
normally
defer
that
to
the
officers
to
draft
those
conditions
up
and
just
remind
members.
C
That's
the
landscape
management,
car
park
management,
construction
and
environmental
management
plan,
biodiversity,
diver
biodiversity,
enhancement
and
management
plan
by
diversity,
monitoring
program,
community
use
agreement,
which
is
actually
already
on
there
at
condition
21
by
the
way,
construction
access
management
plan,
which
is
issue
about
wheel,
scrubbers
and
the
end
of
life
strategy
for
for
the
rubber
chrome.
So
all
I
was
going
to
suggest
if
members
are
minded
to
approve
it,
the
subject
to
the
additional
conditions.
The
conditional
conditions
are
in
front
of
you
to
consider.
B
I
understand
that,
mr
butler,
but
I
do
think
because
we
have
expressed
such
strong
opinions.
It
would
be
diplomatic,
I
think,
to
show
us
particular,
for
example,
the
the
community
use
agreement
and
it's
not
a
complicated
thing
to
put
together,
because
lots
of
other
schools
have
this
agreement
with
the
community.
I
I
understand
that
you
know
what
what
happens
under
certain
circumstances,
but
this
does
seem
to
be
a
particularly
controversial
one,
and
I
think
members
would
like
to
be
confident
that
what
they
thought
they
were
experienced,
they
actually
agreed.
C
So
so
chair,
because
an
alternative
motion's
been
taken
and
being
carried
with
eight
votes,
the
application
will
be
put
back
four
weeks,
not
three
weeks
four
weeks
at
best
for
members
to
provide-
and
I
want
to
be
absolutely
clear
of
this-
because
obviously
the
applicant's
got
to
deal
with
this-
the
landscape
management
plan-
and
you
want
the
wording
from
the
conditions,
because
we
will
have
to
agree
some
of
these
car
park
management
plan,
construction,
environmental
management
plan,
biodiversity,
enhancement
and
management
plan,
biodiversity,
monitoring
program,
community
use,
agreement,
construction
access
management
and
end-of-life
strategy
is
that
it.
B
There
was
also
a
a
point
about
a
comment
from
drainage
anyway
about
the
drainage
proposals.
There
was
also
a
comment
in
relation
to,
I
suppose,
for
everyone's
peace
of
mind,
coming
from
our
public
health
people
about
the
potential
or
perceived
or
potential
or
whatever.
However,
you
want
to
describe
it
health
implications
of
that,
and
I
think
I
know
my
personal
view,
but
I
think
if
we
have
on
record
when
we're
clear
that
we
know
what
we're
doing
all
right.
Sorry
just
I
do.
I
also
think
it
is
not
unreas.
B
It
is
not
unreasonable.
I'm
going
to
do
this,
what
the
heck-
it's
not
unreasonable
for
us
to
say
to,
because
this
is
a
city
council
planning
application.
It
would
be
nice
if
we
could
perhaps
go
somewhere
further
to
meet
in
the
revised
development
plan,
proposals
which
are
going
to
development
plans
panel
next
week.
C
B
With
respect,
if
you
remember,
mr
butler,
I
did
touch
on
the
point
that
there
are
concerns
about
this
getting
into
the
system
and
I
think
they're
effectively
getting
into
groundwater.
B
And
therefore,
I
would
like
to
understand
understand
how
it's,
how
they
are
simply
to
say,
there'll,
be
a
condition
always
as
some
concerns,
if
the
condition,
if
if
drainage
can
provide
us
with
the
a
wording
for
the
condition
which
they
should
be
able
to
do,
if
they've
agreed
it
that
that
shouldn't
be
any
reason
for
delay.
C
Brian,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
whether
we're
talking
about
a
condition
or
information
I
mean
it
seems
a
combination
of
both,
but
I'm
sure
we
can
draft
a
condition.
But
again,
the
last
point
I
do
need
to
say
this,
because
that
request
for
it
to
be
nice
to
go
towards
this
policy.
This
policy,
actually
at
this
point
in
time,
has
no
weight
whatsoever
because
it's
not
gone
to
any
meetings
and
it's
not
gone
to
executive
board.
B
C
I
understand
that,
but
I
didn't
mention
why
these
sort
of
requests
are
are
difficult
because
we've
been
told
that
they
don't
have
the
money
to
do
it,
and
I
pointed
out
because
of
the
lack
of
weight
on
this.
We
have
absolutely
no
weight
to
insist
upon
it,
and
I
want
to
make
that
clear
to
to
to
panel.
C
So,
in
terms
of
summary,
the
application
has
been
deferred
by
south
and
west
pants
panel
for
a
list
of
conditions
which
I've
already
read
out.
So
I
don't
think
I
need
to
do
it
again,
but
also
for
further
information
on
drainage
and
a
possible
more
detailed
condition
and
the
potential
implications
of
the
it's,
not
the
particulates.