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A
We're
on
live
okay,
my
bit
now
good
afternoon,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
remote
meeting
of
the
city
plans
panel.
My
name
is
councillor
jim
mckenna
and
I
will
be
chairing
today's
meeting
city
plans
panel
deal
with
applications
from
the
city
center,
as
well
as
the
largest
and
most
significant
applications
the
council
receives.
A
A
I
would
like
to
start
a
meeting
today
by
confirming
that
the
meeting
of
the
city
plans
panel
meets
the
requirements
of
the
council's
constitution.
Even
though
members
of
the
panel
are
in
remote
attendance,
while
items
today
will
be
fully
discussed.
As
usual,
remote
attendance
required
a
few
slight
changes
as
to
how
I
will
manage
the
debate.
A
A
I
intend
to
systematically
go
around
each
member
asking
if
they
have
any
questions
and
comments
to
ensure
everyone
has
the
opportunity
to
participate,
and
I
shall
do
the
same.
When
requesting
your
vote,
I
ask
for
your
assistance
and
patience
while
I
go
through
this
process
in
order
to
avoid
any
disruption
to
the
meeting,
should
I
lose
internet
connectivity,
I
propose
we
appoint
a
vice
chair
who
could
step
in
during
my
absence.
A
A
A
Thank
you
dan
councillor,
al
garthwaite.
L
Good
afternoon,
yes,
landscape
officer,
thank
you.
A
Welcome
seamus
richard
marsh
hello,
yes
good
afternoon,
everybody
richard
marsh
here,
nature
conservation
officer.
Thank
you.
Richard
nikki
deal.
D
D
D
G
D
A
You
moving
on
to
item
six
minutes
of
the
pre
previous
meeting
held
on
the
6th
of
august.
A
E
It's
number
18
matter
arising
from
the
minutes
with
regard
to
minute
number
nine.
On
page
six,
this
is
requesting
the
update
report
being
brought
back.
I
just
wondered
if
there
was
any
update
on
that
situation
so
far.
A
No
though
there
wasn't
that
my
brief
dialogue
is
still
going
on,
I
expect
we
probably
we'll
probably
have
it
at
the
next
meeting,
but
it's
recorded
anyway
and
it
will
have
to
come
back
to
us.
It
will
come
back.
A
A
H
Yeah,
it's
on
the
members
raise
following
questions,
and
I
think
colleagues
have
already
raised
this
several
times
at
this
panel
regarding
the
students,
accommodation,
the
city
center,
and
we
were
promised
we're
going
to
get
a
report
back
on
the
balance
of
accommodation
for
students
and
other
residents
as
well,
and
we
don't
want
city
centre
to
be
saturated
with
students
and
not
have
other
residence
development
taking
place,
and
it
will
we've
been
asking
this
for
a
long
long
time.
Now
it's
a
time
that
reporter
needs
to
come
back
to
members
chair.
A
Okay,
we
indeed
have-
and
it's
usually
councillor
peter
gruen-
who,
who
makes
a
point
to
this-
we
are
waiting
for
mr
feeney
to
bring
that
forward,
and
maybe
our
best
I
can
do
today
is
perhaps
ask
dolce
to
remind
mr
feeney
that
this
this
is
awaited.
M
Yes,
chad,
david
feeney,
is
well
aware
of
it
that
there
is
work,
I'm
aware
of
to
put
a
report
together
that
will
go
to
development
plans
panel
on
the
issue.
The
issue
is
about
the
the
number
of
proposals
we're
getting
for
student
accommodation
and
whether
there's
an
oversupply
within
the
centre
and
that's
been
looked
at
and
will
be
deported
to
the
development
plans
panel.
A
G
May
I
come
in
and
comment
you
may
peter
indeed.
Obviously,
I'm
entirely
in
agreement
with
what
councillor
khan
has
said,
but
I
think
there
are
a
number
of
reports
that
the
chief
planning
officer
has
not
come
back
on.
G
One
was
around
section
106
agreements
where,
probably
more
than
a
year
ago
now
I
first
raised
the
point
that
it
says:
if
section
106
agreements
are
not
signed,
then
a
report
should
come
back
after
three
months
now.
Nikki
deal
will
remember
as
other
legal
officers.
We
talked
about
that
and
we
gave
legal
a
certain
amount
of
time
to
come
up
with
a
report
which
specified
what
would
be
a
reasonable
amount
of
time
and
share.
We
didn't
put
a
time
scale
on
it.
G
A
I
A
I
On
students
and
whether
there
are
too
many
of
them
in
the
city
center,
if
you
recall
chair,
I
have
in
the
past,
expressed
some
views
on
these
size
of
accommodation
both
for
the
private
sector
and
for
students.
And
again
we
were
promised
to
report
which
would
could
be
used
as
a
base
for
an
spd
in
relation
to
size
of
student
accommodation
and
that's
still
not
arrived,
even
though
we
were
promised
that
again
three
four
years
ago,.
A
Okay
and
just
to
point
out
that
how
many
students
who
we
have
or
is
there
another
supply
of
student
housing
so
on
the
top
of
page
11,
and
it
does
say,
38
000
student
students
and
leads
we're
not
living
in
purpose-built
accommodation,
so
I
guess
developers
would
see
plenty
of
scope
there
for
adding
actually
more
students
anyway.
Moving
on
can
we
go
to
I
page
14.
Finally,.
A
Okay,
if
there's
no
comments
on
that,
then
can
we
we
accept
them
as
a
true
record
as
amended
that
actually
the
amended
doesn't
happen.
They
are
a
true
record.
Aren't
they
we're
just
putting
addendums
in
rather
than
changing
anything
greatly?
Can
we
agree
to
that?
A
Take
your
silence
as
yes,
okay
moving
on
then
to
item
number,
eight
nalget.
Are
you
ready
to.
A
M
M
M
Sorry
palm
is
this:
there's
meant
to
be
a
slide
with
a
red
line
boundary.
I
can't
see
a
redline
boundary.
J
We've
got
it
on
the
map.
We
were
sent.
M
That's
okay,
I'll
work
with
this
shot
of
the
wider
technic
brewery
site.
It's
approximately
10
hectares
in
size
and
the
proposals
that
were
agreed
in
outline
include
about
two
hectares
of
city
park.
M
Eventually,
the
city
park
will
reach,
hopefully
a
larger
size
of
three
and
a
half
hectares,
and
it
will
include
land
to
the
west
of
the
site.
So
on
this
photograph,
that's
meadowland!
M
M
Unfortunately,
I
haven't
got
a
pointer,
but
the
site
extends
from
the
river
air,
which
is
shown
on
the
photograph
here
down
south
towards
great
wilson
street,
which
is
at
the
bottom
end
of
the
photograph
and
then
he's
founded
by
crown
point
road,
which
it
starts
at
the
junction
on
great
wilson
street
and
the
blue
and
the
blue
building,
which
you
can
see
on
the
photograph,
and
that
was
a
wider
site
that
was
given
outline
consent
in
2018..
M
Right:
okay,
I
think
this
is
a
plan
I
was.
I
was
looking
for,
which
actually
the
red
line?
Boundary
shows
a
10
hectare
area
for
the
outline
consent
and
the
white
bounded
areas
are
the
areas
that
are
in
the
ownership
of
the
developer
busting
and
they
include
land
to
the
southeast
of
the
site,
which
will
be
the
subject
of
a
future
phase,
two
development
which
will
hope
to
extend
the
park.
That
way
you
can
move
on
to
the
next
slide.
Please
plan.
M
This
slide
shows
the
emerging
master
plan
for
the
former
technical
brewery
site
and
the
potential
for
enhanced
connections
between
the
proposed
park
and
the
surrounding
area
and
the
potential,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
to
extend
the
park
beyond
crown
point
road,
so
you
can
see
there's
connections
both
northwards
towards
the
city
centre
and
and
eastwood
towards
the
rest
of
the
south
bank
towards
leestock
and
the
college
of
building
and
as
well
as
connections
in
the
future
southwards,
across
great
wilson
street.
M
M
The
this
slide
shows
the
the
initial
phase
of
the
park
as
it
was
secured
through
the
approved
parameter
plan
and
the
section
106
agreement
which
is
attached
to
the
outline
consent,
as
well
as
securing
the
park,
which
is,
which
is
the
dark
green
areas.
It
also
safeguarded
pedestrian
routes
through
the
development
plots
indicated
by
the
hatch,
green
and
white
lines
to
ensure
that
the
the
park
was
an
integrated
and
well
connected
space
with
the
surrounding
area.
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
M
Please,
the
reserve
matters.
Application
boundary
for
the
proposals
today
are
actually
the
purple
bounded
boundary
on
this
plan,
which
is,
as
I
said
earlier,
about
two
hectares
of
of
the
park
within
the
wider
technically
site,
which
has
outlined
consent
which
is
denoted
by
the
red
boundary
on
this.
M
You
can
move
on
to
the
next
slide.
Please,
the
the
reserve
matters
application
consists
of
details
for
plots,
1,
a
and
1b
on
this
plan.
These
are
form
the
central
sections
of
the
city
park.
Plot
one
sea
to
the
north
of
this
slide
would
be
the
subject
of
a
future
reserve
matters
application.
M
In
terms
of
the
vehicle
accessing
to
the
park
itself,
this
would
be
limited
to
traffic
required
to
service
salem
chapel,
the
tetley
and
the
temple
event
management
space
towards
the
northern
end
of
the
park.
M
It
also
allow
access
for
maintenance
vehicles
and
all
this
access
will
utilize
the
junction
with
the
event
space
and
waterloo
street
at
the
northern
end
of
the
park
through
a
secure,
controlled
access
point.
Thank
you.
Next
slide.
M
Please
the
emerging
details
for
the
park
were
presented
to
the
panel
last
year
at
the
application
stage,
and
they
were
generally
well
received
by
members.
However,
since
then,
a
great
deal
of
extra
work
has
been
undertaken
to
look
at
to
develop
the
details.
M
M
The
applicant
is
also
specified
that
the
park
would
meet
the
relevant
british
standards
for
accessibility
and
they
will
also
be
provided
accessible,
toilet
facilities
and
there's
also
a
discussion
about
a
public
art
strategy,
including
discussions
with
the
david
oluwali
memorial
association.
You
can
go
on
to
the
next
slide.
Please.
M
In
terms
of
the
site
allocation
requirement
for
a
park
which
delivers
enhanced
biodiversity
corridors,
this
slide
shows
in
the
darker
green
colors
the
areas
where
they'll
be
planting
to
to
ensure
that
the
park
encourage
it
connects
with
the
wider
green
infrastructure
network
in
the
air
valley,
with
with
potential
future
connections
to
sovereign
square,
to
the
west
across
the
river
river
and
across
meadowland,
with
potential
connections
to
the
the
further
phase
of
the
park
towards
the
the
north
plot
1c
and
with
potential
connections
across
crown
point
road
to
the
future
phase
2
proposals,
which
would
form
the
part
of
a
separate
planning
application.
M
The
the
planting
would
comprise
a
variety
of
trees,
shrubs
and
woodland
edge
under
story,
planting
designed
to
attract
a
wide
range
of
insect
pollinators,
birds
and
bats
at
different
times
of
the
year,
and
this
would
ensure
a
strong
biodiversity
corridor
is
is
created.
Thank
you,
pam.
If
you
can
go
on
to
the
next
slide
and
again,
this
just
provides
a
bit
more
detail
on
the
approach
to
the
planting
with
the
different
the
different
colors,
indicating
the
different
nature
of
the
planting
structure
to
increase
biodiversity.
M
So
there
will
be
features
such
as
pollinating
gardens,
swale
planting
and,
in
addition
to
the
woodland
planting,
there'll
also
be
proposals
for
mature
legacy
trees
donated
by
the
the
the
dark,
the
dark
green
circles
on
this.
You
can
go
on
to
the
next
slide.
Please.
M
In
terms
of
the
the
more
detailed
character
of
the
park
itself,
the
next
few
slides
aims
to
show
how
the
park
comprises
different
elements
and
different
functions,
and
it's
broken
down
into
a
number
of
character
areas
so
to
the
north
of
the
tecli
building
and
between
salem
chapel
and
the
future
development
plot.
Mu4
on
this
plan
will
be
a
a
an
event
space
known
as
the
techni
triangle,
and
to
to
to
the
north
of
stardom.
M
Chapel
is
proposals
for
a
more
sense
regarding
and
it's
an
opportunity
for
people
to
to
to
connect
visually
with
and
and
and
have
amount
of
respite,
and
it
will
include
planting
which
will
be
attractive
to
insects
and
give
scent,
as
well
as
texture
and
that's
known
as
the
theater
gardens
they'll,
also
be
a
green
amphitheater
within
the
to
the
to
the
west
of
the
tetley
triangle,
space
which
will
allow
informal,
seating
and
viewing,
and
then
the
main
body
of
of
the
parkland
area
will
be
to
the
south
of
the
tesla
between
the
technium
crown
point
road,
which
will
include
large
areas
of
parkland,
as
well
as
planting
play
areas
and
the
biodiversity
corridors
that
I've
mentioned
earlier.
M
You
want
to
the
next
slide,
please
so
in
terms
of
a
little
more
details.
This
is
a
flight
show
in
the
area
of
the
theater
gardens
north
of
salem
chapel.
It
would
be
a
modern
ornamental
and
sensory
garden
for
quiet
enjoyment,
it'd
be
slightly
larger
in
areas
than
the
rain
garden
at
sovereign
square,
and
it
will
include
a
mix
of
sun
and
shade
tolerant
order.
Planting
in
four
raised
planting
beds
and,
as
I
said
earlier,
it's
chosen.
The
planting
chosen
for
its
visual
impact.
M
Texture
and
scent
it'd
also
be
an
important
connector
between
the
park
and
the
improvement
works
planned
by
the
council
for
medallion
go
on
to
the
next
slide.
Please.
M
M
It
would
be
appropriate
for
concerts
markets
outdoor
cafe,
space
it'll,
be
approximately
half
the
size
of
or
it'd
be
approximately
sorry
half
the
size
of
the
paved
area
of
millennium
square.
While
some
planting
is
proposed,
this
will
be
movable
planters
and
it
will
include
ornamental
grasses
and
shrubs,
but
mostly
be
a
hard
hard
space.
The
the
green,
the
the
tetley
triangle,
green
space,
which
is
immediately
to
the
south
of
salem
chapel,
will
be
a
softer
space.
M
This
will
be
grassed
and
stepped
and
it'll
be
an
informal
amphitheater
which
will
be
similar
in
size
to
marion
gardens.
You
can
go
on
to
the
next
flight.
Please,
the
central
park
area
would
be
stretch
from
tently
to
crown
point
road,
and
this
will
be
the
most
significant
part
of
this
phase
of
the
park
in
terms
of
its
size.
It
will
include
grassed
areas
and
trees,
a
water
feature
and
play
area
to
the
northern
end,
as
well
as
the
grass
mount
towards
the
southeastern
corner.
M
M
The
tall
grasses
and
herbaceous
perennials
for
vertical
structure
and
and
bulbs
such
as
allium
and
tuna.
The
central
area
in
terms
of
size
would
be
slightly
smaller,
smaller
than
level
part,
but
it
would
be
flat
with
the
exception
of
the
mounded
area,
at
the
southeastern
corner.
M
Trees
planted,
and
these
are
donated
by
this
solid
green
circles,
shown
on
this
plant
and
they'll,
be
comprised
oriental
plain.
M
A
common
line,
corsican
wing
nut,
cutleaf
beach
and
as
well
as
pop
horn,
beam
amongst
others,
the
the
lensing
trees
will
be
some
seven
to
eight
meters
in
height
and
they'll,
have
a
50
to
60,
centimeter
trunk
girth
and
in
in
terms
of
the
size
of
those
trees,
the
the
especially
that
we
don't
normally
get
that
size
of
tree
planted
from
the
outset
and
in
terms
of
the
the
other
three
species,
they'll
they'll,
be
semi-mature
and
they'll
include
a
variety
of
birch
cherry,
pine
and
hornby.
M
If
you
can
move
on
to
no
it's
okay,
sorry
before
we
move
on
to
the
next
slide.
The
other
feature
on
this
slide
is
other
at
the
pasture
indicated
on
on
this
slide.
These
will
be
green
communal,
connectors
between
the
buildings
on
either
side
of
the
park
park.
M
They'll
be
four
meters
wide
they'll
include
pocket
parks,
along
where
the
planting
benches,
as
well
as
by
passing
by
swale
planting
the
the
two
play
areas
I
should
mention
to
the
north,
which
are
shown
in
yellow
here,
would
be
sighted
next
to
a
water
feature
and
sculpture
to
be
located
to
the
east
of
the
temple.
Building.
M
The
details
of
those
will
are
being
worked
up
in
conjunction
with
our
leads
parks
and
countryside
service,
and
they
will
be
controlled
by
condition
on
the
outbound
consent.
M
M
If
we
can
go
on
to
the
next
slide,
please
this
is
a
a
detailed
pre-practice
plan
and
I
don't
mean
to
go
into
this
at
all,
but
it's
just
to
really
show
that
significant
thoughts
and
work
has
been
done
to
ensure
that
the
planting
is
appropriate
for
not
only
the
scale
and
the
kites
of
the
space
that
we're
creating,
but
also
in
terms
of
the
biodiversity
issues
required
to
be
looked
at
by
by
our
policies
for
the
park.
M
M
M
M
I've
now
got
a
series
of
cgi's
which
hopefully
will
give
a
feel
of
the
new
space
that's
been
proposed,
so
we
can
go
on
to
the
next
one.
Please.
This
slide
shows
the
the
entrance
to
the
event
space
from
the
north
side
of
the
park,
with
tempe
building
on
the
left
and
sailor
chapel
to
the
right
and
go
on
to
the
next
one.
M
This
this
slide
shows
the
as
if
one
was
standing
in
the
event
space
itself
in
front
of
the
techlee.
As
I
said,
the
there
are
proposals
for
buildings
to
bound
this
space
and
and
up
to
the
right
is,
is
the
outline
of
the
mu3
office
building,
which
is
also
a
formal
application
and
has
been
to
members
before
go
on
to
the
next
slide.
M
If
you
go
on
to
the
next
one,
please,
and-
and
this
is
looking
at
the
proposed
green
amphitheatre
space
in
front
of
the
office
plot
at
mu3
here
with
the
salem
chapel
on
the
right,
the
next
one
please-
and
this
is
an
image
of
the
theater
gardens
which,
as
I
said
earlier,
would
be
the
ornamental
show
garden
with
seating,
sensory
and
vibrant
planting
all
year
round.
M
If
you
can
go
on
to
the
next
slide,
please
palm
just
briefly.
The
the
applicants
and
council
officers
have
given
considerable
thought
to
the
proposals
within
the
context
of
needs.
Is
climate
change,
emergency
excavation
the
trees
and
shrubs
in
the
park
and
surrounding
the
adjacent
mu3a
office
building
would
assist
in
absorbing
carbon
dioxide
and
promote
biodiversity
as
they
mature
all
the
time
I
mentioned
that
there
was
140
new
trees
proposed
within
plots.
M
One
air
one
bills
apart,
that
would
be
added
to
by
56
56
new
trees
proposed
in
the
adjacent
mu3a
office
block,
which
means
that
almost
200
new
trees
will
be
delivered
in
the
first
phases
of
the
development,
as
as
members
will
be
well
aware,
trees
combat
climate
change
by
sequestering
carbon
through
photosynthesis
and
growth,
and
there
is
some
evidence
that
deciduous
trees
have
slightly
higher
sequestration
rates
and
coniferous
trees
and
of
the
143
fees
being
proposed
within
the
initial
phase
of
the
part.
132
of
of
those
will
be
deciduous.
M
M
So
we
think
this
is
a
21st
century
park
which
meets
the
challenges
of
the
climate
change
emergency
declaration.
We'll
go
on
to
the
next
slide,
please,
and-
and
finally,
I
think
in
summary,
it's
considered
that
the
proposals
represent
a
major
contribution
to
a
multifunctional
city
park.
The
park
would
be
child
friendly,
well,
connected
and
accessible.
M
The
application
accords
with
the
parameters
and
design
called
agreed
outline
planning
stage
and
accords
with
the
development
plan.
Therefore,
officers
are
recommending
the
details
for
approval
chair.
Before
I
finish,
I
do
have
one
update
since
the
publication
of
the
panel
report.
We
have
received
a
letter
of
support
from
a
local
resident
in
the
south
bank
area.
They've
stated
that
the
area
is
in
desperate
need
of
green
space.
M
A
A
If
that's
what
you
wish,
can
I
start
then,
with
members
questions
to
officers,
may
I
start
with
councillor
david
blackburn.
B
Don't
get
me
wrong
I'll
welcome
this,
but
what
what
stage
or
what
stage
in
their
life
will
these
trees
be
that
are
planted?
In
other
words,
some
of
the
some
of
the
ones
you
say
are
mature
trees,
they're
going
to
be
replanted
there?
Oh,
but
obviously,
for
the
first
few
years
a
tree
doesn't
absorb
that
much
carbon,
it's
as
it
gets
more
matured.
It
starts
absorbing
the
carbon
to
correct,
so
we're
going
to
an
extent.
So
can
we
have
some
percentage
of
how
many
trees
are?
B
You
know
our
reasonably
developed
trees?
The
other
thing
is,
and
I'm
I'm
not
sure
that
playing
officers
will
help
us
with
this.
It
might
be
something
really
that
we
should
be
talking
about
developer
about.
I
understand
our
parts
department
will
secure
over
managing
this
area
and
a
sum
of
money
will
be
given
them
to
them,
except
for
them
to
to
manage
it
with.
Is
this
money
ring
offense
for
this
site,
or
was
it
gonna
just
go
in
a
general
budget
of
of
the
parks
department?
B
My
concern
is
this
is,
as
we
all
know,
we
are
in
hard
times
now,
and
these
are
times
might
go
on
for
quite
a
while,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
what
we're
doing
on
this
site
is
actually
maintained
properly.
A
So,
thank
you,
david
good
questions.
There
we
have
sheamus
here,
so
he
might
be
able
to
help
us
on
the
maturity
of
the
trees
and
I
believe
sean
fletcher
is
here
from
parks
and
countryside.
So
you
may
want
to
comment
of
course,
delgado
and
your
office
are
welcome
as
well.
Can
I
start
with
you
sheamus.
L
On
the
carbon
side
good
afternoon,
it
is
it
is.
It
is
true
what
the
counselor
said,
that
the
trees
don't
function
in
terms
of
sequestration
right
from
day
one
and
the
age
of
these
trees.
According
to
the
developer,
is
the
legacy
tracer
six,
it
seems
to
be
six
years
old.
Other
trees
are
five
four
three
years
old.
There
is
a
bit
of
a
curve
up
to
20
years
when
they
really
start
hitting
peak
functionality.
L
So
there
is
a
bit
of
a
lag,
but
that's
really
we're
starting
from
scratch.
Here
we
can't
get
this
sequestration
immediately
on
day,
one
that's
impossible,
so
there
is
a
bit
of
a
time
lag,
but
you
know
given
carbon
neutral
for
the
country
in
2050,
you
know
they
will
be
up
and
running
and
functioning
at
a
high
rate.
Whenever
we
get
to
that
period,
that's
30
years
ahead.
L
N
Sorry
chair:
this
is
andrew
cobden
from
vastin
yeah.
We
do
have
ed
lister
of
planet,
our
landscape,
architect
in
the
room
with
us,
and
we
just
had
a
very
brief
conversation
whilst
on
mute
over
here
and
I'm
happy
to
ed
to
fill
in
the
details.
But
I
just
asked
a
question:
those
those
legacy
trees.
N
How
old
are
they
and
your
view
is
that
they're
20
years
old,
when
they're
going
to
be
planted
now
we
may
have
more
detail
if
you
want
to
talk
about
the
other
trees
within
within
the
proposals,
but
they
are
slightly
older
than
sheamus
has
has
reported
there.
O
Thank
you,
andrew
yeah,
the
so
the
we've
got
a
range
of
sizes
of
trees
throughout
the
site.
The
the
legacy
trees
are
all
what
we
call
six
times
transplanted
trees,
so
they've
been
moved
approximately
every
three
years
in
their
life,
which
puts
them
at
around
about
18
to
20
years
old
at
the
time
of
planting,
but
they've
got
an
established
root
system.
That's
why
we
transplant
them
every
three
years
to
enable
them
to
be
moved
in
successfully
and
and
planted
to
establish
successfully
on
site.
O
We've
got
a
range
of
sizes
throughout
all
the
other
trees.
We
were
really
keen,
I
would
say
about.
50
of
them
are
what
we
class
as
suddenly
mature,
so
they're
about
20,
centimeter
girth
is
how
we
measure
the
size
of
a
tree,
which
is
a
typical
height
of
about
about
four
to
five
meters
high.
So
I'm
a
bit
bigger
than
that
with
about
a
two
meter
spread
on
them,
so
they're
already
quite
mature.
O
All
those
trees
would
be
four
times
transplanted
so
again,
12
to
15
years
old,
so
again,
a
range
of
maturity
and
then
within
the
woodland
edge
and
the
biodiversity
corridor.
We've
gone
for
a
range
of
of
ages
in
a
range
of
sizes,
and
that's
that's
partly
to
give
to
give
a
little
bit
of
variety.
So
we
don't
have
sort
of
a
it.
O
Doesn't
all
look
the
same
and
that
we
have
trees
ranging
from
sort
of
12
to
14
centimeter
girth,
which
is
two
to
three
meters
in
height
right
up
to
the
to
the
larger
trees,
the
legs
trees,
which
might
be
up
to
about
six
or
seven
meters
in
titan,
at
height
in
total.
So
so
there's
a
real,
a
real
blend
of,
and
that's
all
part
of
what
we
like
to
think
of
as
a
as
our
succession
landscape,
which
is
thinking
much
further
down
the
line
both
in
terms
of
of
size,
growth
and
species.
O
Is
that
where
we've
picked
trees
out
to
be
adaptable
to
changes
in
climate,
to
other
demands
that
that
we
want
from
the
site
and
to
give
a
variety
of
mixes.
So
if,
for
instance,
we
we
have
a
particular
disease
which
we've
had
in
recent
years,
we've
had
elm,
we've
had
ash
dieback
and
we've
had
precessionary
moth
in
oak
as
well.
O
So
so,
we've
been
very
careful
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
a
mix
of
of
trees
on
on
the
site
so
that,
if,
for
whatever
reason
we
have
another
outbreak
of
of
any
disease
or
or
or
an
issue
with
certain
species,
as
as
we
have
seen
of
late,
then
at
least
we've
got
variety
there
to
to
give
us
a
good
cover
for
for
many
years
to
come.
A
Thank
you
ed.
Thank
you
very
useful
that
this
will
all
be
covered
by
condition.
Then,
will
it
the
age
of
the
trees
dodge
it.
M
No
sorry,
sorry,
the
full,
the
full
details
of
the
planting
will
is
covered
by
by
condition
so
that,
yes,
the
the
actual
size
of
the
trees
will
be
subject
to
signed
off
by
a
condition.
A
D
Chair,
actually,
I'm
online
yes,
provision's
been
made
in
the
medium-term
financial
plan.
Involvement
in
the
park
course
that
we
are
going
to
share
with
bastion
and
report
back
to
the
to
the
joint
management
board.
That's
going
to
manage
the
site,
so
I
think,
to
to
alert
council
blind's
concerns
that
the
budget
will
be
ring
fenced
to
this
particular
scheme,
not
part
of
the
general
for
the
paris
countryside,
service.
A
A
Okay,
moving
on
then
councillor
colin
campbell.
Please
colin
no
questions
at
the
moment
thanks.
Thank
you
councillor,
peter
carlill,
no
questions
in
a
minute
thanks.
C
D
D
D
E
I
remember
when
we
first
looked
at
this.
We
talked
about
the
provision
of
exercise
equipment
and
for
adults,
and
this
has
been
repeated,
but
in
one
of
the
contributions,
I
wonder
whether
any
exercise
equipment
could
be
added,
particularly
in
the
perimeter
space
that
with
the
runner
for
the
runners,
do
you
want
all
my
questions
at
once.
M
In
terms
of
the
the
exercise
options,
I'm
aware
of,
I
know
that
there's
a
proposal
for
one
kilometer
running
track
around
the
edges
of
the
park,
where
there's
any,
where
there's
going
to
be
additional
equipment
to
that,
perhaps
we
can
bring
the
applicants
back
in
but
again
the
full
details
of
that
will
be
subject
to
control
by
the
condition
on
the
outline
consent.
A
N
Would
you
like
a
comment
from
from
vastint?
I.
N
All
right,
okay,
dowdy,
it's
absolutely
right!
In
addition,
there
are
some
sort
of
informal
benches
and
natural
pieces
of
of
landscaping
that
can
be
used
for
exercise,
but
we
haven't
got
anything
deliberately
mechanical
because
of
its
its
maintenance
obligations
and,
quite
frankly,
over
time
can
look
quite
unsightly.
N
So
there
is
the
opportunity
you
you
may
have
to
be
a
little
creative
in
your
thinking,
but
we're
all
about
that.
But
you
can
certainly
you
know,
use
the
flat
areas
of
of
green
space
to
exercise
to
put
some
mats
down
to
do
yoga.
That
sort
of
thing
is
all
possible,
so
we'd
like
to
think
that
we've
been
we've
allowed
for
it,
but
not
in
in
a
formal
way.
N
A
E
Well,
okay,
I
don't
personally
think
that
it
is
unsightly
and
I
think
it's
pretty
low
maintenance
but
I'll
then
I'll
have
a
think
about
that.
I
wondered
about
the
stage
of
the
negotiations
with
the
david
olawali
memorial
committee
because
I
understood
that
their
plans
were
fairly
advanced
when
I
last
talked
to
them.
A
M
D
Executive
regeneration
manager
at
elite
city
council,
so
yes,
the
olly
willing,
memorial's
plans
are
developing
in
further
detail
that
their
plans
are
subject
to
funding,
but
they
are
collaborating
in
great
detail
and
with
good
spirit
with
both
the
stint
and
the
city
council,
and
my
understanding
is
is
that
the
memorial
may
have
some
announcements
in
the
coming
weeks
around
some
of
the
funding
to
develop
that
project
further.
So
thank
you.
Chad
thank.
E
Okay,
thank
you.
I'd
like
to
ask
about
the
play
equipment.
I
know
that
there's
a
children's
playground
on
the
toddler
playground,
which
is
good
and
they're
both
near
together,
so
someone
who
had
both
could
be
looking
to
both
of
them
and
you
could
have
children
playing
on
both,
which
is
great.
E
I
wondered
about
the
actual
play
equipment
and
in
particular
whether
there
was
anything
suitable
for
disabled
children
with
mobility
disabilities,
for
example,
a
swing
that
it's
possible
to
lie
back
on,
rather
than
just
sit,
upright
and
or
a
flat
to
ground,
small
roundabout,
which
is
helpful
for
wheeling
either
a
wheelchair,
or
indeed
a
large
push
chair
on
two
and
is
often
easier
for
smaller
children.
Just
to
run
on
to
is
there
has
there
been
anything
decided
about
what
the
play
equipment
will
be
and
whether
this
will
be
included.
M
Then
at
the
moment,
the
formal
proposals
don't
include
details
of
the
play
equipment,
those
are
being
developed,
understanding,
consultation
with
parks
and
countryside,
and
they
will
they
will
come
later
as
part
of
the
condition
discharge.
But
if
colleagues
or
the
applicant
have
any
further
information
on
that
happy
chair
for
you
to
invite
them
in.
N
From
the
oh
sorry,
I
was
just
unmuting
andrew
cobden.
Here
again,
yes,
we
we
take
on
board
your
comments,
counselor
and
it
is
as
as
deljin
said,
it
is
subject
to
detailed
design.
We
are
in
consultation
about
that
detailed
design,
but
what
what
the
plans
show
at
the
moment
is
that
the
two
play
spaces
are
accessible
for
all
and
so
the
play
equipment
when
selected
can
be
accessible
to
all
and
that's
our
aim.
N
E
Okay,
great,
thank
you
I
mean,
I
know
not
all
play
equipment
can
be
accessible
for
everybody,
but
at
least,
if
there's
some,
you
know
a
variety,
that's
great
moving
on
to
the
so-called
theater
area,
I
think
it
was
called.
I
saw
it
had
rather
stark,
looking
concrete
seating,
and
I
wondered
whether
this
could
be
softened
in
some
way
or
modified.
E
M
M
You
know,
but
if
there's
an
opportunity,
if,
if
in
the
comments
panel's
view,
is
that
the
area
is
too
harsh,
perhaps
that's
something
we
can
revisit
with
the
applicant,
but
I
think
from
officer's
point
of
view,
this
is
very
much
a
space
for
contemplation,
it's
a
sensory
garden
and
it
will
have
significant
planting
and
that
concrete
seating
is
really
the
edge
of
the
planters
palm.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
bring
the
slide
up,
which
shows
the
visual
of
the
theater
gardens.
It
was
towards
the
end
of
the
presentation.
M
E
I
mean
we
can
see
it's
a
bit
further
on
behind
the
couple
who
are
walking
towards
us.
There's
a
young
woman
sitting
cross-legged
at
the
top
of
a
sort
of
tiered
bit
of
seating.
That
was
really
what
I
was
referring
to.
E
There
was
another
one
which,
where
you
see
it's
a
great
close-up,
and
that
was
the
one
that
I
thought
looked
a
bit
harsh
with
no
backs
to
the
seating
which
isn't
very
comfortable
really
whether
there
could
be
anything
put
in
to
for
more
comfort
and
ease
for
people
who
will
be
contemplating
it
quietly
but
may
want
something
a
bit
softer
or
more
comfortable
than
just
sitting
on
an
edge.
M
Okay,
well,
I'm
sure
we
can
pick
up
the
details
of
that
with
the
applicant.
You
know
the
the
full
details
will
be
subject
to
of
the
condition,
and
I'm
sure
this
was
a.
This
is
an
artist's
impression
of
of
the
the
approach
to
the
space
rather
than
the
the
exact
details
coming
forward.
E
Okay,
thank
you.
Sorry,
chair
I've
got,
I
mean
if
it's,
if
that's
not
the
exact
and
the
final
word
on
it,
then
my
comments
can
just
be
recorded.
I've
got
one
more
comment
only
or
one
more
question
I
should
say
which
picks
up
on
what
I
think
the
civic
trust
mentioned.
I
know
that
the
david
oluwali
memorial
statue
and
feature
would
have
water,
which
is
great,
but
I
did
wonder
whether
a
small
water
feature
might
be
included
elsewhere.
M
The
objective
was
to
create
a
multifunctional
space
which
tries
to
hit
as
as
many
needs
as
possible.
It's
not
going
to
be
possible
to
fit
all
that
in.
So
I
think
it's
another
detailed
comment
which
we
can
explore
with
the
developer,
but
it
may
be
that
there's
good
practical
reasons
why
another
water
feature
can't
be
provided
and
but
but
we
do
have
a
water
feature.
So
I
think
that
that
that's
that's
important.
If
I've
got
that
correct
andrew
can
you
can
you
confirm
that.
N
Yes,
yeah
you're,
absolutely
right.
We
just
to
go
back
on
an
answer.
Part
of
the
the
raised
seating
for
the
the
theater
gardens
is:
is
them
all
about
being
sensory
and
people
trying
to
get
close
to
those
smells
colors?
That
sort
of
thing
that's
why
they
are
raised,
but
you're,
absolutely
right.
The
the
artist
impression
actually
that
you
see
on
the
screen
doesn't
follow
with
the
plans.
The
the
plan
form
plans
that
have
been
submitted.
N
So
we
will
deal
with
that
at
detail
and
we
take
your
comments
on
board
as
to
the
water
feature.
We
have
incorporated
water
feature.
N
The
daily
david
olawali
association
wanted
the
sculpture
to
fit
within
a
playful
environment,
and
that's
why
we've
cited
the
sculpture
adjacent
to
the
play
areas
and
they
do
have
an
element
of
fun
within
them,
as
our
proposals
are
emerging
but
to
be
very
honest
with
you,
water
features
can
be
very
expensive
to
install
and
very
expensive
to
maintain,
and
there
was
a
a
healthy
debate
between
us
and
and
the
council
and
within
the
council
itself,
I
believe,
to
try
and
make
sure
that
we
carefully
managed
the
maintenance
responsibilities
going
forward.
N
So
we've
tried
to
contain
it
within
one
location,
surrounded
around
the
memorial
and
include
that
element
of
fun
to
it
too.
So
I
hope
it's
it's
achieving
the
aims
that
everyone
would
like
to
see.
I
A
Thank
you.
We
don't
have
a
good
record
in
leeds
with
water
features.
They
tend
not
to
work
after
a
year
or
so
there's
a
few
examples
I
can
think
of
so
hopefully
this
time
around
we'll
actually
get
one.
That's
working,
yeah,
okay,
yeah,
I'm
sure
you
will
andrew.
Thank
you.
I'm
just
thinking
of
our
past
failures.
Not
that
necessarily
your
failures
may
be
our
own
counselor,
caroline
groon,.
F
Please,
yes,
I
have
one
question
please
for
seamus
when
I
read
the
papers,
particularly
the
list
at
2.4
on
page
19
and
the
second
paragraph
on
page
33,
which
describes
the
carbon
absorption
features.
I
really
did
feel
that
this
was
a
tremendous
opportunity
to
make
a
fabulous
green
space
and
a
huge
impact
on
carbon
absorption,
etc.
F
So
we've
heard
specifics
about
the
trees
and
the
planting,
but
my
question
to
sheamus
is
thinking
broadly
and
strategically.
Sheamus.
Do
you
think
there
is
anything
else
that
could
be
done
with
this
development
to
to
make
it
even
more
powerful
in
terms
of
impacting
and
improving
our
environment.
L
L
So
I
think
the
the
plan
as
it
exists
is
it
is
a
good
compromise
of
pleasing
and
hitting
all
the
targets
that
it's
supposed
to
hit
and
the
trees
will
mature
over
time
and
a
lot
of
big
species
in
there
that
have
got
a
long
future
ahead
of
them.
L
They,
you
know
they're
large
long
live
species,
many
of
them,
so
there
will
be
a
good
return
in
that
sense,
but
the
only
other
way
this
could
be
done
would
be
to
is
to
the
way
the
the
parks
maintained,
and
so
this
low
carbon,
the
use
of
materials
that
could
be
a
lower
carbon
and
so
on,
and
obviously
the
buildings
themselves.
L
F
M
Keep
going,
that's
it!
No!
That's
it
thank
you
yeah,
and
I
think
it
it's
really
about
the
opportunity
that's
being
created
for
a
large
parkland
area,
and
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
the
the
green
space
here
and
there
isn't
an
appropriate
visual
for
this.
M
So
perhaps
apologies
for
that,
but
the
green
space
between
the
tech
league,
which
is
a
white
building
in
the
center
of
the
slide
that
you
can
see
here,
extending
south
eastward
towards
the
crown
point
road
which
is
towards
the
bottom
right
hand,
corner
of
the
slide
that
that
green
space
will
be
similar
in
size
to
lovell
park
and
and
members
will
know
lovell
park
it's
one
of
our
biggest
spaces
in
in
the
city
center.
M
So
I
think,
as
as
a
size
of
space
that
will
be
making
considerable
impact
and
and
has
the
potential
to
be
a
parkland
type
destination
in
this
area
that
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
the
size
of
the
space.
Thank
you
chair.
F
Yeah,
I
think
that
is
helpful,
because
I
must
say
it
was
those
it
was
that
plan
particularly
and
others
that
made
me
expect
the
cgi's
to
look
greener.
So
perhaps
we
need
to
develop
some.
That
gives
us
a
better
aspect
of
that
that
part
of
the
green
space.
N
Chair
it's
andrew
coblin
again.
Could
I
just
add
to
that
council?
This
obviously,
is
the
first
phases
of
the
park
delivery.
We've
got
the
north
park
to
come,
which,
in
its
own
right,
is
quite
a
substantial
piece
of
green
space,
and
then
we've
got
the
land
to
the
south.
N
The
crown
point
road
to
come
forward
where
we
are
hoping
to
deliver
those
long
views
from
great
wilson
street
through
to
the
back
of
the
techni
and
beyond
to
bridge
end,
and
I
I
feel
that
when
that
comes
forward,
you'll
get
a
real
understanding
of
the
sense
and
scale
of
the
park,
and
we've
got
cgi's
to
deliver
for
those
that
they're
not
ready
for
this
presentation.
N
They
weren't
defined
for
this
first
phase
of
park,
but
they
real
really
do
give
you
that
sense
of
space
and
and
and
length
and
breadth
of
the
park,
which
I
think
makes
a
significant
contribution.
G
Chair,
thank
you
very
much.
Can
I
say
that
what
I've
heard
so
far
has
definitely
lifted
the
miserableness
of
lockdown
and
I'm
quite
excited
by
by
all
of
this.
So
my
questions
are
in
the
context
within
this
is
very
welcome.
G
I
want
to
piggyback
the
first
question
on
what
david
said
earlier
on
about
the
parks
and
the
maintenance
and
renewal,
and
I
wonder
if
we
can
condition
the
standard
that
we
expect
this
park
to
remain
at,
because
I
think
the
question
is
very
clear:
it
can
easily
erode
and
in
the
text
reference
is
made
to
some
other
parks
and
sadly,
I
have
to
say
sean
that
some
of
those
that
caroline
and
I've
walked
recently
are
not
in
that
kind
of
condition
that
we'd
all
aspire
them
to
be
yet.
M
That
is
a
condition
on
the
outline
consent
which
asks
for
details
of
the
management
of
the
landscaping
to
be
agreed
with
us.
M
But
but
beyond
that,
if
the
council
will
be
taking
a
250
year
lease
as
parks
and
countryside
and
their
intention
is
to
manage
this
space
to
the
same
standards
and
qualities
as
as
our
award-winning
spaces,
such
as
ground
bay
park
and
and
that's
and
those
discussions
are
taking
place
between
the
the
developer
and
between
parks
and
countryside,
and
that
will
be
a
lot
more
stronger
than
any
condition
we
could.
We
could
place
on
to
through
the
planning
regime.
M
G
Think
this,
this
question
of
mine
is
not
addressed
to
the
developer
and
if
you
go
back
to
round
a
park,
I
don't
know
when
it's
the
last
time.
Some
of
you
walked
in
round
a
park,
but
it
is
not
the
park
that
it
used
to
be
frankly,
and
I
believe
we
are
very
strict
on
our
conditions
with
developers.
G
We
need
to
be
equally
strict
on
our
conditions
with
with
the
parks
department
and
the
city
council.
This
is
a
legacy
park
for
future
generations
and
we
don't
want
to
see
the
condition
eroded
by
benign
neglect
or
monetary
neglect,
so
I
feel
very
strongly
that
something
needs
to
go
in
there
that
protects
the
quality
of
the
environment.
N
It's
it's
andrew
coblin,
again,
councillor
gruen,
I
appreciate
you
did
you
didn't
put
that
at
my
door
or
our
door,
but-
and
I
know
that
leonel
is
on
the
call
who
will
speak
for
the
council,
but
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
as
deljit
says,
the
the
the
strength
of
the
agreement
between
vasin
and
the
council
will
ensure
that
this
park
is
maintained
to
a
green
flag
standard
and
that's
the
stand.
That's
the
highest
standard
in
the
land
really
for
the
maintenance
of
of
open
spaces.
N
N
We
have
a
vested
interest,
we're
long-term
investors
into
places
and
we
wish
to
hold
our
buildings
that
surround
this
park
and
frankly,
rely
on
this
park
remaining
in
a
great
condition
to
to
to
maintain
the
spaces
around
those
buildings
and-
and
we
are
pushing
for
this
park
to
be
maintained
to
the
appropriate
level
that
that
keeps
it
as
a
beautiful
space.
N
So
if
it
is
falling
below
standard,
then
we
will
be
the
first
people
to
be
calling
for
that.
To
be
enhanced,
I
hope
that
helps
answer
the
question
lee
you
might
want
to
contribute
from
your
side.
D
A
D
Yep
so
as
andrew
outlines,
the
council
will
enter
into
a
250
lease
and
that
does
have
obligations
on
the
council
in
maintaining
the
power
to
achieve
those
green
flag
standards,
and
indeed
the
council's
executive
board
in
march
agreed
to
that
principle.
That
obligation
have
been
in
place
and,
as
andrew
says,
should
the
the
council
default
on
its
obligations.
D
Yes
yeah,
so
we've
been
working
with
fasting
and
needing
to
build
up
the
budget,
so
we've
ensured
that
we
have
sufficient
level
of
resources
to
continue
to
maintain
this
to
a
very
high
standard
and
about
some
of
our
our
other
major
parks
in
the
city.
D
D
G
I'll
move
on.
Thank
you,
chair,
good
discussion,
I'm
very
happy
with
with
some
of
the
comments
in
passing.
Can
I
just
say
I
also
agree
with
the
comments
about
a
water
feature
and
I
understand
the
point
you've
made
share.
But
if
you
go
back
to
sovereign
square,
there
was
no
water
feature
initially
and
panel
made
a
big
difference.
I
think
to
how
that
square
developed
and
so
again,
if
there
is
any
scope.
G
But
I
want
to
go
into
a
a
proper
question
and
if
you
can't
provide
this
in
a
public
forum
I'll
understand,
I
want
to
raise
the
fact
that
this
will
be
a
very
popular
destination,
with
lots
of
people
mingling
at
lots
of
different
times
of
the
day
the
evening
and
the
weekend
and
I'd
like
a
a
a
briefing
note
to
come
to
panel
members
about
the
security
measures
that
we
are
taking
in
order
to
monitor
and
keep
the
whole
of
this
area
safe.
G
A
I
think
that
can
be
done.
It's
probably
right
peter
that
we
could
discuss
that
on
a
more
private.
G
Indeed,
indeed,
I
think,
I
think
all
my
colleagues
will
I'm
sure,
agree
that
this
is
a
a
paramount
issue
of
our
times.
Sadly,
and
we
do
need
at
the
beginning
to
safeguard
people
who
are
going
to
come
here
to
enjoy
themselves,
I'm
happy
with
that.
My
final
question
is
this
is
a
very
heavy
early
investment
by
vastind,
which
we
obviously
welcome.
N
Hello,
hello,
chair:
can
you
hear
me?
I
count
yes
good.
Thank
you.
So,
in
answer
to
your
question,
we
intend
to
start
construction
during
early
2021,
hopefully
of
this
park
and
of
the
office
building
mu3a,
which
sits
adjacent
to
it
when
it's
consented,
assuming
it
is
consented.
That
is,
and
that
will
broadly
be
a
two-year
time
period,
that
very
conveniently,
as
planned
links
in
with
the
city's
investment
into
the
changes
at
meadow
lane
and
crown
point
road.
N
We
are,
as
as
as
deljit
will
be
aware,
we're
already
in
discussion
on
the
design
of
further
buildings
and
another
office
building
we're
at
the
early
stages
of
design
of
a
residential
building
and-
and
these
are
big
spaces
they're
big
buildings.
They
will
be
phased
over
time
and
the
106
obligations
will
will
be
delivered
as
we
build
out
those
phases.
There
are
contributions
to
things
like
travel
plans
and
the
pedestrian
bridge
across
the
river
air
that
will
come
out
at
the
appropriate
time.
N
The
delivery
of
this
park
is
not
is
not
contingent
on
or
or
replacing
any
of
those
obligations
that
we
hold
elsewhere
within
the
106..
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
It
does
thank.
A
Thank
you
peter
moving
on
councillor
khan,
asked
khan.
Any
questions.
H
Yes,
just
briefly,
and
just
following
from
council
grew,
I
was
there
he's
a
mind
reader
today.
Actually
I
wanna
ask
a
question
about
the
security,
but
he's
already
asked.
My
question
is
regarding
accessibility
to
the
park.
Will
it
be
24.
M
Yes,
I
I
I
believe
so
andrew.
Can
you
confirm
that.
N
Yes,
the
park
is
un-gated,
it
is
therefore
accessible.
24
7.
there
are.
There
are
obviously
security
provisions
around
deliveries
and
and
and
vehicles
entering
the
park
spaces,
which
goes
back
to
councillor
gruen's
question
to
a
degree
and
with
that
becomes
a
or
with
that
comes
a
degree
of
responsibility,
security,
natural
surveillance
and
all
those
sort
of
things
that
are
important
in
city
centers,
with
open
spaces
that
are
that
are
accessible
all
day
and
all
night.
N
I
Yeah,
a
lot
of
what's
been
asked
and
said
already,
I'm
very,
very
sympathetic
with.
I
think
one
basic
question
I
have
is
we're
wanting
to
regenerate
the
south
bank
and
the
park
is,
is
a
wonderful
way
of
doing
it.
It's
been
there
been
a
comparison
made
with
other
parks
within
the
city,
but
this
is
going
to
be
quite
or
at
least
around
the
city.
I
This
is
going
to
be
quite
different
in
that
it's
got
a
lot
of
people
there
already
working
living
drinking
eating
on
its
periphery,
and
so
I
just
wonder,
are
we
thinking
of
this
as
a
park
for
the
people
who
are
there
or
is
it
genuinely
going
to
also
be
meant
to
attract
other
people
so
that
we
get
people
across
the
river
into
the
south
and
based
that
question
on
the
fact
that
totting
up
the
860
car
spaces,
221
motorbike
spaces
1974
bike
spaces?
I
That's
like
sort
of
3
000
ways
of
getting
getting
into
this
space,
but
that's
a
lot
of
people
already,
because
when
you
look
at
the
there's,
2000
residential,
perhaps
offices,
you've
got
diners
and
you've
got
drinkers
just
seems
an
awful
lot
anyway.
Water.
Yes,
I
would
ask
that
there
was
a
water
feature
and
I
I
wasn't
thinking
in
terms
of
sparkly
fountains
and
things
like
that.
I
A
M
I'm
I'm
happy
to
start
off
chair
with
the
with
the
questions
raised
by
council,
latte
and
others
can
chip
in
as
relevant.
I
think
that
the
first
question
was
whether
this
is
a
park
for
the
people
that
are
already
there
or
in
addition,
it's
also
part
for
for
people
going
there.
I
think
the
the
answer
to
the
question:
counselor
latte
it
it's
going
to
be
a
part
for
both
it
will
be
a
strategic
side
space
for
for
the
south
bank.
M
So,
yes,
it
will
serve
people
who
are
already
there,
but
it
will
also
serve
people
in
other
parts
of
the
city
centre
who
want
to
use
this
space.
As
you
well
know,
leasing
center
is
very
walkable
destination
and
with
proposals
for
the
footbridge
links
over
the
river
air,
this
park
will
be
no
more
than
five
minutes
walk
from
brigade,
so
it
is
designed
to
to
be
accessible.
M
It
is
designed
to
be
accessible
in
sustainable
way.
It's
walking
rather
than
car
means,
and
but
it
is
of
a
scale
that
serves
the
city
center
as
a
whole,
rather
than
just
this
site
or
immediate
hinterland.
M
In
terms
of
the
design
of
the
sculpture
and
who's
overseeing
it,
I
think
colleagues
will
may
have
more
information
on
the
on
on
the
arrangements
for
that.
But
I
I
believe
it's
a
david
olivalli
memorial
association
who
were
at
the
forefront
of
that
been
supported
by
the
developers
and
by
by
colleagues
in
the
council,
and
I
think
in
terms
of
the
water
feature,
I
think
that's
probably
a
comment,
and
that's
probably
for
members
to
consider
whether
they're
satisfied
with
proposals
coming
forward.
M
There
is
a
water
feature
that,
as
andrew
cogden
from
boston
has
indicated,
there
are
challenges
with
with
extending
or
providing
more
water
features,
but
there
is
one
that's
there
as
part
of
this
proposal.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Okay,
come
moving
on
then
I'm
sorry
about
that.
I
didn't
lose
connective
for
a
couple
of
minutes.
There
bring
in
council
elizabeth
nash.
Now
elizabeth.
Do
you
have
a
question.
J
J
I
have
a
few
questions
and
I,
the
first
question
is:
am
I
wasting
my
time
because
I
did
attend
with
chris
briggs,
who
wrote
the
report
to
see
the
landscape
architect
from
the
stint
in
in
marion
house,
and
we
did
agree
a
number
of
species
of
trees
and
I
did
report
that
to
a
plant's
panel
and
then
why
are
the
trees
not
the
same
as
we
agreed
the
trees
which
are
mentioned
in
the
report
I
think,
are
from
last
time
I
mean
you've
got
trees
like
alder,
which
are
water,
loving
trees.
J
The
last
thing,
regardless
of
whether
we
have
water
features
or
not
the
last
tree
that
you
want
there
there
was
there,
were
a
few
trees
that
were
suggested
by
me
and
the
landscape
architect
accepted
that
and
and
indulge
it
didn't
mention
them
in
the
report.
It
was
mentioned
that
some
of
the
commentators
had
said
that
they
would
like
to
see
all
all
year
round
interest
in
the
parks
I
suggested
winter
flowering
cherries.
Where
are
they
not
there?
J
I
suggested
ruin
trees,
which
are
colonizing,
trees,
beloved
of
birds
for
the
berries
not
there.
I
remember,
colin
campbell.
We
had
a
little
debate
about
scots
pine
and
I
said:
well,
you
don't
get
scots
pine
in
yorkshire
and
he
said.
Oh
we've
got
one
in
ottawa,
which
is
obviously
a
rural
area,
not
a
city-centred
area,
but
I
did
accept
that
the
height
they
were
the
landscape
architect.
I
wasn't
there
still
listener.
J
I
can't
remember
the
name.
I'm
sorry
said
that
we
want
height,
so
I
thought
okay
go
along
with
it,
but
what
I
did
suggest
was
a
a
sequoia
valentonia,
the
european
redwood,
which
would
give
brilliant
height
it's
the
one
that's
planted
at
the
back
of
the
civic
hall,
and
it's
one
that
a
commentator
said.
Why
can't
we
have
a
giant
redwood?
J
Why
has
this
not
been
mentioned?
The
other
thing
is
adelgid
mentioned
about
planting
the
common
line.
Are
you
aware?
Common
lime
are
full
of
aphids,
which
secrete
a
sugar
solution
which
attracts
a
fungus
and
drips
on
everybody
and
everything.
There
are
other
limes,
like
small
leaf
lime,
large
leaf
lime
and
my
favorite,
the
silver
weeping
line.
All
those
three
have
glorious
scents,
a
common
line
doesn't
so.
Why
have
I
wasted
my
time?
J
Would
somebody
ask
me
that
now,
before
you
answer
that
the
the
other
question
is
about
parks
maintenance,
I
happen
to
be
they
laid
my
support,
executive
member
for
museums
and
in
front
of
my
house
where
I
live
is
abby
house,
museum
and
coach.
The
lobby
there
is
a
walled
garden
there,
which
was
created
as
a
scented
garden
parks
department,
know
nothing
about
that.
J
So
can
we
have
labels
or
or
signs
round
the
parks
to
say
this
is
a
a
scented
garden.
This
is
a
whatever
a
wildlife
garden
whatever
because,
as
time
goes
on,
departments
forget
what
the
original
intention
was.
Can
I
have
an
answer
to
those
questions
and,
most
importantly,
have
I
been
wasting
my
time
over
trees.
A
I
hope
you
haven't
been
wasting
your
time
liz.
Maybe
we
can
have
a
comment
from
sheamus
on
that
I
mean
you,
you
generally
no,
not
three
species,
far
better
than
the
rest
of
us.
So
sheamus
can
you
be
helpful.
I
do
understand
that
you
had
a
meeting
and
with
local
community,
yes
shameless.
Please.
J
L
J
Sorry
not
with
the
local
community,
with
the
officer
responsible
for
designing
the
the
tree
spaces.
A
Okay,
I
I
thought
it
was
councillors
from
your
ward,
but.
M
It's
a
surprise
to
me
that
the
the
three
species
that
will
come
forward
are
in
line
with
the
discussions
with
with
that
council
nasa
has
had
section.
5.3
of
the
report
makes
it
quite
clear.
Chris
has
reported
that
the
discussion
that
council
nash
had
with
with
I
presume
himself
and
the
applicant's
landscape
architect,
and
that,
following
that
discussion
regarding
tree
species,
those
three
species
have
been
included
in
the
proposal,
so
it
could
be
that
it's
just
my
presentation,
I've
referred
there'll,
be
a
wide
variety
of
trees
being
proposed
here.
M
You
know
many
many
trees
and
some
it's
a
very
landscape,
and
it
could
be
that
I
I've
just
referred
to
three
species
which
don't
which
are
and
admitted
to
refer
to
other
tree
species
which
have
been
agreed
and
are
part
of
the
proposals,
perhaps
andrew.
If
you've
got
your
landscape
architect,
who
was
hopefully
part
of
the
meeting
with
council
nashville,
they
can
confirm
that.
That's
the
case
that
we
that
the
that
the
tree
species
include
those
species
agreed
with
councillor
nash,.
N
Dalget
hello,
chair
again
andrew
cobden,
here,
councillor
nash,
I'm
not
gonna
even
attempt
to
keep
up
with
you
on
trees
and
species,
but
I
do
know
that
ed
is
very
knowledgeable.
He
had
that
meeting
with
you
I'll
just
say
at
the
outset
that
the
the
application
itself,
which
forms
the
the
meat
of
of
the
of
the
consent
that
will
hopefully
be
granted,
includes
many
many
more
trees
and
there
is
still
the
opportunity
to
to
have
that
conversation
and
and
and
ensure
that
you're
happy
with
the
proposals
that
we're
bringing
forward.
N
But
ed
can
give
you
a
lot
more
detail
on
some
of
the
trees
you
identify,
but
there
are
many
many
more
trees
in
the
application
than
there
were
in
the
report
and
it's
very
difficult
for
dowager
and
his
team
to
cover
everything.
That's
in
these
reports,
but
I
believe
all
of
your
comments
at
the
meeting
that
you
held
have
been
taken
on
board
ed.
Thank
you.
Andrew.
O
Ed
yeah,
counselor
nash,
yeah
ed
lister
here,
and
I
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that.
Yes,
it
was
a
very
useful
meeting
that
we've
had
there
and
and
absolutely
we've
taken
on
board
and
those
those
comments
and
in
going
back
and
looking
at
it
in
detail
and
as
you
as
you
as
we've
developed
this
scheme,
certain
species
that
that
we
discussed
you
mentioned,
for
instance,
the
the
older,
and
I
agree
this
is.
This-
is
a
tree
for
wet
areas.
O
We
have
introduced
through
the
all
our
sustainability
ambitions
at
rain,
gardens
and
and
swales,
where
those
those
trees
would
be
appropriate.
So
we
tried
to
use
those
trees
appropriate
to
the
conditions
on
on
site.
I
think
other
other
broader
points
just
to
pick
up
a
few
that
you've
mentioned
the
we
have
used
the
the
dawn
redwood
as
opposed
to
the
giant
redwood
and
and
that
you
know
we
could
easily
you
know,
take
change
that
species
from
our
from
to
to
a
giant
redwood
if
we
felt
between
us.
O
That
was
a
particular
important
tree
to
have
in
there,
but
I
think
the
other
other
points
of
note
from
our
meeting.
We
did
have
quite
a
lot
of
pines
in
there.
Originally
we
took
on
board
that
comment.
O
We
had
pines
as
our
legacy
trees
a
few
of
our
legacy
trees
because
of
their
all-year
interest,
in
that
they
give
a
winter
color
throughout
the
throughout
the
winter
months
and
those
those
were
taken
out-
and
we
did
we
have
put
in
a
large
cedar
in
in
that
in
its
replaces
one
of
our
legacy
trees,
which
we
felt
was
appropriate
in
that
sort
of
parkland
setting
another
one
of
your
points
about
the
line.
O
During
our
discussion,
we
we
discussed
the
possibility
of
tilia
tomentosa,
which
is
the
small
lethal
silver
leaf
line,
which
I
think
you
have
mentioned
in
preference
to
the
tier
european,
which
is
the
common
line.
The
one
there's
a
problem,
one
problem
with
the
two
temperatures
is
narcotic
to
bees,
and
so
with
a
consideration
of
the
pollinating
aspects
of
our
biodiversity
corridor.
O
We
were,
we
were
concerned
about
that
aspect
and
the
the
line
that
is
proposed
sits
within
within
a
green
space
and
doesn't
so
any
any
aphid
jew
that
that
falls
off
the
tree
will
be
on
in
lawns,
as
opposed
to
it
within
any
sort
of
paved
or
other
hard
surface
area
where
it
would
become
a
problem.
So
I
think
I
I
think,
generally,
I
would
say:
we've
we've
tried.
I've
got
that
list
of
my
notes.
O
From
that
meeting
in
front
of
me,
I've
been
checking
through
as
you've
said,
and
I
think
probably
there
are
one
two
species
that
that
we
that
you've
mentioned
that
perhaps
we've
not
picked
up
on
that.
We
I'll
hold
the
hands
up
and
we
should
put
those
in.
If,
if
that's
something
like
they
saw
us,
I
thought
we
did
have
more
service
in
there.
O
The
sword
wasn't
repairing
our
woodland
mix
because
of
the
berry
content,
and
I
just
need
to
check
that
again
to
make
sure
we
have
so
there
is
a
really
good
good
blend.
I
talked
about
it
earlier
about
making
sure
we
had
a
diverse
range
of
species.
We
talked
about
the
tulip
tree.
I
remember
talking
about
that
specifically
with
you
as
one
that
we
could
introduce
and
that's
that's
in
there
as
one
of
our
legacy
trees.
So
so
yeah,
absolutely
the
conversation
didn't
go
wasted.
O
I
really
appreciated
the
time
and
the
conversation
with
you.
We
we
will
endeavor
to
to
to
just
make
sure
there
are
that
the
the
broader
range
of
species
that
you've
discussed
are
included
in
there
in
the
detail
and
I
think
to
be
fair.
Deljit
has
only
had
an
opportunity
to
mention
a
few
of
the
trees
in
this
conversation
and
there's
a
there's,
a
very
big
list
of
of
trees
that
sit
within
that
wider
planting
schedule.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
That's
useful
though,
please
liz.
Obviously,
you
didn't
waste
your
time,
but
the
explanation
probably
has
helped,
but
please
liz:
let's
not
have
a
giant
red
redwood
in
there
because
it
is
a
city
center,
not
a
forest,
and
I
think,
in
my
opinion,
a
sakai
or
something
that
size
would
would
not
be
suitable.
A
I
don't
want
to
have
any
further
debate
on
that.
I
don't
have
any
further
debate
on
that,
but
that's
my
opinion
and
I
am
moving
on
because
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
that
and
obviously
there's
more
dialogue
to
come
on
it.
So
can
I
move
on
to
paul
wadsworth,
please.
M
Okay,
yes,
I
think
I
think
I
think
that's
something
we
we
can
pick
up
with
with
bastion,
if
appropriate
in
term,
for
example
the
sensory
gardens.
You
know
you
could
have
some
interpretation
in
those
kind
of
areas
so
happy
to
pick
that
up
with
andrew
and
his
team.
Thank.
A
Okay
and
finally,
council,
neil
walsh,
neil
thank
thanks.
H
Chad,
just
as
a
point
of
process
can
councilwoman
I'd
really
appreciate
it
if
the
running
order
of
councillors
was
occasionally
bumped
around.
A
F
A
H
H
I
I
actually
actually
do
so.
I
don't
know
chair,
I
think,
an
idea
of
a
giant
sequoia
redwood
in
there
would
be
quite
interesting.
You
know
it
be
quite
if
we're
looking
for
signature
trees,
but
actually
just
might
want
to
raise
to
both
the
applicant
and
to
sheamus
and
to
sean
is
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
around
things
that
tend
to
get
called
city
trees
or
moss
trees.
H
The
you
start
to
see
them
in
london
and
various
u.s
cities.
European
cities,
where
you've
got
an
awful
lot
of
air
cleaning
capacity
in
a
relatively
small
structure,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
looking
at
sort
of
the
boundary
to
crown
point
road
may
be
incorporated
into
the
instructions
from
the
buildings.
This
might
be
a
way
of
yes,
there's
enormous,
a
lot
of
trees
and
it's
really
welcoming
in
it.
The
park
designs,
look,
look
fantastic,
but
is
there
any
scope
for
most
trees,
stroke,
city
trees?
H
As
a
as
an
approach
to
be
considered,
I
think
they're
quite
useful.
They
they
basically
chair
they.
They
cleanse
effectively
huge
amounts
of
air
per
per
the
size
of
the
actual
installation,
because
they're
made
up
of
layers
of
moss
and
they're,
quite
seen
as
quite
the
coming
thing
in
improving
urban
air
quality
and
also
sequestrating
a
lot
of
carbon.
So
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there
to
to
to
our
people
into
the
applicants
for
consideration.
Chair.
L
Hello
to
yes:
well,
I
think,
are
you
referring
to
these
artificial
sort
of
machines
that
have
got
moss
inside
them
that
are
like
suction
machines?
Is
that
you're,
not
literally
meaning
trees?
Is
that.
H
Yeah
there's
a
whole,
I
mean
there's
quite
a
range
of
different
options:
shameless
but
yeah
different
types,
you've
seen
coming
on
to
to
the
market,
but
yeah
the
effectively
seeing
a
sort
of
an
urban
park,
type
structure
with
moss
and
and
various
species
built
into
them
and
yeah.
They
they
effectively
draw
air
through
and
they're
particularly
effective
for
getting
rid
of
diesel
particulates,
which
is
one
of
the
decent,
obviously
particular
pollution
problems.
So
just
something
for
consideration:
it's
not
it's,
not
a
hill.
A
Yeah,
okay,
we'll
keep
it
on
board,
it's
been
recorded
and
I'm
sure
we'll
we'll
be
looking
again
at
three
species.
Okay,
then,
can
we
move
on
to?
Does
any
officers
want
to
say
anything
further
before
we
move
on
the
comments.
A
A
H
No,
in
all
seriousness,
this
is
all
rather
wonderful,
I'm
extremely
pleased
to
see
vastin
bringing
forward
the
city
plans
city
park,
rather
as
as
a
first
stage
because
not
too
often
chair,
as
you
know,
we've
seen,
applicants
do
often
quite
the
opposite,
and
the
green
public
space
is
an
afterthought
rather
than
first
and
foremost,
and
I
don't
doubt
that
vastin
will
produce
an
excellent
set
of
plans
in
conjunction
with
council
colleagues.
H
H
Yeah
this
is
this
is
a
great
piece
of
of
work
really
in
this
in
the
park
I
mean
it
looks
on
paper
really
good.
H
I
I
think
that,
with
all
these
things
being
a
little
bit
in
the
industry,
you
see
these
cgi's
and
plans
and
things,
and
they
never
just
quite
turn
out
the
same
and
what
I
would
say
about
trees
and
tree
sizes
is,
you
know
you
have
to
start
small
and
let
these
things
mature,
and
they
are
always
better
when
they
are
matured
rather
than
when
we,
when
we
start
off,
but
just
a
couple
of
points
really
one
is
about
the
outdoor
exercise
equipment.
H
I
think
councilor
gathway
mentioned
and,
and
she
left
the
question
sort
of
hanging
in
the
sense
of
it
had
been
agreed.
I
think,
with
parks
that
they
wouldn't
put
it
in
well,
I'm
not
sure
that
I
quite
agree
with
that
agreement
and
we
didn't
hear
from
sean
as
to
whether
he
was
in
favor
of
it
or
not,
because
he's
quite
in
favor
of
outdoor
equipment
exercise
equipment
in
all
our
community
parks.
H
Well,
that's
a
maintenance
issue,
not
really
a
capital
issue
with
regards
to
that,
and
the
other
thing
really
is
that
I
I
not
often
I
agree
with
councillor
nash,
but
she
is
one
of
the
ward
members
for
the
area
and
if
it
was
in
my
ward,
I
would
expect
to
be
consulted
all
the
way
down
the
line
with
this,
and
so
I
would
expect
the
same
for
those
war
members
in
the
war
that
this
sits
in.
So
those
are
really
my
comments.
Chair
thanks.
A
Paul
moving
on
councillor
nash,
please.
A
J
Do
you
have
time?
Sorry,
I
I
couldn't
say
the
mute
it
slipped?
Yes,
I
I
thank
you
councillor,
wadsworth
and
I'll.
I
agree
that
gym
equipment
should
be
provided,
but
it
doesn't
have
to
be
metal
mechanical
stuff.
There
is
plenty
of
wooden
things
like
rails,
there's,
balancing
rails,
there's,
there's
bars,
I'm
not
an
expert
on
equipment,
but
I
have
seen
it
elsewhere
and
that
that
would
fit
in
very
easily
with
a
with
a
park.
J
J
I've
already
said
that
there
are
10
000
residents
already
there
and
when
the
area
is
developed,
there's
going
to
be
a
heck
of
a
lot
more
residents,
and
I
I
I
do
think
as
far
as
possible.
We
should
extend
the
green
area.
There's
no
reason
why
fairs
are
what
cannot
be
put
on
grass.
It
happens
in
our
other
parks
when
we
have
festivals
and
galas
there's
plenty
of
stores
on
the
grass.
We
don't
have
to
have
an
ugly
a
hard
surface.
J
I
hope
they
are
not
going
to
be
slippy
anyway,
and
I
I
do
have
to
come
back
on
on
the
common
lime
tree,
who
would
want
to
walk
under
a
common
lime
tree
and
be
dripped
on
with
them,
with
the
the
secretions
from
aphids
and
and
just
a
final
comment,
although
mature
trees
and
some
immature
trees
can
make
an
immediate
impact
it
it
knocks
them
back.
J
As
we
say
in
yorkshire,
if
you
plant
young
trees,
they're
away,
they
take
cold
straight
away,
but
the
more
mature
tree,
the
more
difficult
it
is
to
get
to
help
get
hold
of,
and
I
do
take
on
board
the
comments
made
by
the
nursery,
that's
being
used
that
they
move
these
trees
every
three
years,
so
they
get
used
to
being
moved,
but
nevertheless,
that
that
is
a
a
downside.
J
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Well,
I
think
this
is
absolutely
super.
The
my
my
questions
before
were
not
meant
to
sort
of
say
that
I
I
wasn't
happy
about
the
place.
It's
just
that
I
think
it's
going
to
be
overpopulated.
It's
going
to
be
hard
to
move
in
there
in
terms
of
the
number
of
people
who
are
already
there
and
the
ones
who
will
cater
for
for
going
to
it.
So
I
think
it
is
going
to
be
a
very,
very
popular
space.
I
think
I
have
some
sympathies
with
elizabeth
that
I
had.
I
I
had
visualized
sort
of
grassland.
I
I
visualized
the
park
and
tamiya
park
is
rolling
grass
and
there's
not
quite
enough
of
it,
but
I
can
see
probably
why
the
the
play
the
play
area
stuff-
that's
just
been
talked
about.
Harlow
carl
has
got
some
of
this
wooden.
I
I
They
asked
the
grass
play
area
grass,
oh
yes,
they.
I
asked
about
the
the
sculpture
and
yes,
I
I
appreciate
that
the
memorial
association
now
are
looking
after
this.
I
just
wondered
whether
we
ought
not
to
have
some
some
directional
say
over
sculpture
that
is
going
into
into
our
open
spaces.
I
A
Graeme
asgar
khan,
council
khan,
please.
H
H
Thanks
to
the
offices,
what
they've
done
to
produce
our
fantastic
clean
space.
Thank
you.
G
F
Please
thank
you
chair.
I
also
support
this
and
really
welcome
this
scheme.
I
think
it's
an
excellent
imaginative,
forward-looking,
really
helpful
development
for
our
city.
I
agree
with
many
of
the
all
of
the
comments
that
have
been
made
so
far,
but
I
did
say
when
I
asked
my
question
that
I
would
just
like
to
focus
on
playing
my
in
my
comment.
F
I'm
delighted
there
are
two
play
areas
and
I'm
delighted
that
they
serve
two
different
age
groups
of
children.
That's
great
councillor,
lati
referred
to
some
examples
of
play,
equipment
that
were
not
just
the
standard
metal
swings,
roundabout
and
slide
and
so
on,
and
I
really
do
feel
passionately
that
this
is
a
children's
place
as
well
as
an
adult's
place,
and
that
the
play
should
be
thought
about
and
designed
with
the
same
kind
of
care
that
we're
dealing
with
all
the
adult
facilities,
parks
and
countryside.
F
F
I
know
it
can
be
done
and
I
would
I
would
seriously
suggest
that
you
do
have
a
design.
What
do
they
call
them
a
design
conference
or
group
or
whatever
it's
called,
and
I
suggest
that
you
do
involve
members
who
are
not
necessarily
planning
members
but
members
who
are
representatives
of
children
in
the
area,
committees,
perhaps,
and
also
members
of
children's
services,
with
a
relevant
brief.
I
know
mr
burgess
has
an
interesting
play
and
I
know
there
are
others
around
the
table.
F
I'm
sure
that
do,
but
it
is
a
very
serious
issue
and
I
think
it
would
ruin
an
extremely
imaginative,
dynamic
development
not
to
give
the
same
degree
of
thought
to
that
those
play
areas.
Thank.
E
Yes,
I'm
glad
that
other
councillors
picked
up
on
my
comment
about
exercise
equipment.
I
was
hoping
that
would
happen,
I'm
still
in
favor
of
exercise
equipment.
I
don't
personally
think
it
looks
unsightly.
As
I
said,
it's
not
a
big
maintenance
issue.
I
can
think
of
a
number
of
parks
where
this
is
being
put
in
I'd,
suggest
not
wooden
because
it
rots
and
is
more
susceptible
to
vandalism,
but
I'm
sure
this
can
be
discussed
further.
E
I
think
it's
a
shame
that
members
of
the
david
olawali
memorial
association
were
not
asked
to
come
to
this
meeting
and
to
display
their
plans
because
councillor
lati
and
others.
It's
come
up
several
times
and
I
saw
their
their
quite
detailed
plans
over
a
year
ago.
Now
the
sculpture,
which
is
of
a
flower,
has
been
done
by
designed
by
a
nigerian
sculptor
and
they
really
are
very,
very
nice.
E
I
agree
it
would
be
useful
for
us
to
see
them,
and
I
think
if
this
comes
back
to
us,
that
we
should
have
someone
and
we
should
be
able
to
see
the
plans
for
ourselves
and
when
I
had
the
discussions
with
them
over
a
year
ago
and
saw
the
plans.
It
did
seem
to
me
that
their
funding
model
was
at
a
very
advanced
stage.
And
again
they
could
answer
that
very
specifically.
E
E
And
I
do
think
it's
a
great
park
and
will
be
wonderful,
and
I
trust
that
a
friends
of
the
park
will
set
itself
up
consisting
of
local
residents
and,
as
with
other
friends,
groups,
be
able
to
play
a
significant
part
in
the
maintenance
and
upkeep
and
any
further
developments
in
discussion
with
parks
and
countryside
and
other
stakeholders.
E
Friends
of
groups
are
the
mainstay
of
many
parks
and
can
perform
a
really
vital
function
and
I'm
sure
we'll
do
so
among
all
the
local
residents
that
are
going
to
be
around
this
one.
Thank.
D
You
chair,
I
think,
to
keep
his
appearance
on
six.
I'm
gonna
have
to
go
some
answer.
So
just
just
a
few
comments
from
me.
I
think
this
is
a
superb
development,
a
super
proposal.
N
D
Many
different
ways
I
I
find
myself
absolutely
agreeing
with
councillor
gathway
in
terms
of
the
exercise
equipment.
D
And
frankly,
while
I
agree
almost
exclusively
with
everything,
counselor
nash
says
and
I'll
come
to
that
in
a
moment,
I
think
for
the
exercise
equipment.
D
It
traditionally
does
need
to
be
that
more
mechanical,
because
because
it
it's
that
it's
the
outdoor
gym
type
equipment,
and
I
think
that
this
would
be
a
real
benefit,
immeasurable
benefit.
That
really
ought
to
be
taken
forward.
D
D
For
me,
it's
down
to
those
our
elected
board,
members
to
finesse
the
approved
plan,
and
if
the
view
is
that
councillor
nash
feels
that
she
wants
a
tree,
that's
going
to
reach
to
the
sky,
then,
who
am
I,
as
a
norwoodly
councillor
to
disagree
with
her
place,
making
in
the
area
that
the
good
citizens
of
leeds
have
decided
that
she
ought
to
be
the
representative?
C
Thank
you,
chair
I'll,
just
associate
myself
with
some
of
the
other
comments
that
have
been
made.
First
councillor
peter
gruins.
C
C
So
it's
great
to
see
this
first
and
then
just
to
touch
on
the
points
that
caroline
grew
and
made
about
the
different
types
of
play,
equipment
and
the
and
the
different
opportunities
for
play
given
in
those
things
that
are
less
structured
and
less
formal
equipment.
C
Completely
agree
on
that
and
one
of
the
most
important
bits
about
play
in
early
years.
Provision
is
looking
at
something
and
deciding
what
you
were
going
to
make
of
it,
and
how
are
you
going
to
play
with
it?
And
so
sometimes
those
things
that
are
just
the
blocks
that
are
plunked
in
the
middle
of
a
park
can
become
the
most
exciting
because
they
are
a
boat
they're,
an
aeroplane
they're.
Whatever
you
want
them
to
be,
whereas
a
set
of
swings,
I'm
afraid
as
great
as
they
are,
are
always
a
set
of
swings.
C
Yes,
many
of
us
have
missed
them
over
this
last,
while,
while
those
have
been
closed,
but
there
are
real
opportunities
for
different
types
of
play,
as
well
as
those
more
formal
facilities,
so
completely
want
to
support
the
comments
that
caroline
made
and
and
make
sure
we
look
at
that
in
this
park
as
a
city
center
location,
but
hopefully
use
that
as
an
exemplar
for
something
that
we
could
see
in
our
community
parks
following
on
from
that
and
I'll
leave
it
there.
I
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
Well,
we've
been
a
long
time
getting
here,
but
I
I
have
to
say
that
this
is
seems
to
be
stage
one
of
what
is
beginning
to
look
like
a
really
interesting
redevelopment
of
that
part
of
the
area
south
of
the
river.
I
Just
a
couple
of
a
couple
of
points
to
pick
up,
I
think
probably
the
developers
who
are
sitting
and
listening
to
us
would
have
worked
out
by
now
that,
if
you,
if
you
get
a
dozen
planets
panel
members
together,
you'll
barely
get
about
two
dozen
opinions
about
the
detail
of
what
we
should
do
and
in
fact
you
we've
really
been
talking
about
detail
here.
Rather
fine
detail,
in
fact,
rather
than
the
general
principle.
I
So
the
general
principle,
I
think
we
all
agree,
is
fine.
Just
a
couple
of
the
the
specific
points
that
have
been
raised.
I
think
peter
and
caroline's
comments
in
relation
to
play.
Areas
I.e
play
areas
for
younger
people
are
valid
and
I
think
it's
worth
looking
at
them,
certainly
within
the
context
of
a
completely
new
part.
I
suppose
we
could
talk
about
the
sports
equipment
which,
which
may
well
be
play
a
play
area
for
grown-up
people.
Again.
I
I
think
these
are
it's
worth
looking
at
this,
if
not
perhaps
in
this
location,
certainly
within
the
phase
two
or
phase
three
of
this,
this
development
I'm
happy
with
the
mix
of
the
paved
area
and
grassed
area,
because,
as
I
say,
this
is
part
of
a
much
larger
scheme
again
water
features,
peter
brewing,
made
a
comment
that
everybody
else
seems
to
be
able
to
do.
Water
features
except
us,
and
I
think
it's
back
to
this
principle
about
maintenance
and
if
there
is
long-term
and
detailed
maintenance
of
this
site,
it
shouldn't
be
an
issue.
I
I
don't
want
to
get
too
far
into
the
argument
about
trees,
because
we
do
have
that
just
about
every
time
and
this
this
information
I
found,
I
think
I
found
a
couple
more
scots
pines
in
auckland,
but
I
think
we
are
looking
at
a
range
of
trees
and
I
I
think
that
I'm
quite
happy
for
us
to
install,
I
suppose,
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
almost
mature
trees,
and
I
appreciate
that
they
won't
capture
much
carbon
for
the
first
few
years,
but
there's
nothing's
down
there's
capturing
carbon
at
the
moment,
anything's
a
plus,
really
what
the
issue
is
is
how
do
you
maintain
those
trees
and
ensure
that
they
get
the
start
that
enables
them
to
to
grow
on,
and
that's
that's
the
interesting
aspect
about
how
do
you
deal
with
that?
I
The
sculpture,
I
know
graham
always
says
that
we
ought
to
have
the
final
say
on
a
sculpture
or
maybe
even
a
veto.
But
that's
that's
not
my
opinion.
Whoever
pays
for
the
sculpture
can
have.
Can
you.
I
Child
charger,
and
so
yes,
this
is
looking
very
positive
and
I
hope
that
we'll
be
on
site
or
certainly
in
the
spring.
Thank
you.
B
You
chair
just
on
the
water
feature.
I
I
I
I
go
along
with
having
further
water
features
on
there,
but
only
reason
I
bring
it
up
is.
Is
it's
not
just
lisa
has
that
problem?
It
seems
to
be
an
english
disease.
I
remember
going
with
council
of
inking
when
she
was
development,
exact
member
to
manchester,
and
I
was
showing
her
this
fountain
in
manchester
and
how
wonderful
it
was,
and
that
was
broken
as
well.
So
it's
not
just
leads
that
that
have
trouble
with
maintaining
things
in
a
perfect
world.
B
I
would
say
that
there's
too
much
hard
surface
in
here
and
we
need
more
more
green
area,
more
green
areas
there,
but
let's
face
it.
What
a
difference!
This
will
make.
I
used
to
pass
this
site
on
the
way
to
work
for
many
many
years
and
to
at
that
time,
to
imagine
that
you
could
have
such
a
nice
beautiful
piece
of
green
in
in
that
situation.
B
It
wasn't
wasn't
believable.
So
I
I
I
certainly
support
what
what's
been
done
here.
I've
got
some
still
got
some
concerns
about
maintenance,
and
I
think
maintenance
has
got
to
be
done
properly
and
we've
got
to
make
sure
what
the
developer
says
that
it
that
basically
they'll
all
pass
to
account.
B
What
I
hope
you
do
do,
because
the
thing
is
is
doing
this
and
then
not
looking
after
it
properly
would
be
a
disaster
that
supports
putting
some
exercise
equipment
in
and
as
on
the
trees,
I
would
say
to
the
developer:
listen
to
councillor
nash,
because
a
lot
of
what
she
said
is
right.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
david.
Does
any
officers
which
wish
to
comment
at
this
stage.
M
Chair
perhaps
I
can
just
make
a
a
couple
of
comments.
I
know
that,
obviously
there's
there's
what
widespread
support
for
the
proposals,
but
there's
a
number
of
detailed
comments
and-
and
some
have
been
reoccurring
comments.
M
So
in
terms
of
the
the
play
areas
and
the
details
of
those,
as
I
said
earlier,
they
will
be
the
subject
of
condition,
discharge
and,
and
they
will
come
to
us
later,
and
the
the
applicant
and
parks
and
countryside
representatives
have
heard
what
members
have
said
and
I'm
sure
those
comments
can
be
taken
on
board
as
part
of
those
that
detailed
design
consideration.
M
M
M
The
there's
a
comment
that
there's
too
much
for
a
couple
of
members
is
comment
that
there's
too
much
hard
space.
I
think
I
just
want
to
note
that
that
that
triangle
area
of
land
to
the
north
is
multi-functional.
It's
not
just
event
space
there
will.
There
is
a
requirement
for
vehicle
access
to
the
park
and
not
just
the
to
the
park,
but
for
the
buildings
that
are
in
the
park
and
some
which
aren't
part
of
the
applicant's
ownership
or
the
council's
ownership,
such
as
salem
chapel.
M
So
in
any
case,
there
will
need
to
be
some
hard
standing
areas
for
for
those
kind
of
functions,
but
also,
I
think,
as
part
of
a
city
center
space,
a
multi-functional
space
which
includes
the
capacity
to
have
market
stalls
to
have
outdoor
events
in
a
in
a
way
which
we
can
manage
really
well
and
and
and
in
an
area
which,
as
council
latias
alluded
to
would
be
very
busy,
will
probably
require
some
a
hard
servicing
area
rather
than
a
soft
area.
M
And
then
the
only
other
comment.
I
would
like
to
quickly
pick
up
on.
It's
quite
clear
to
me
that,
in
terms
of
the
the
the
details
of
the
trees
etc,
we
can
work
with
councillor
nash
and
with
local
ward
members
as
we
go
forward
in
terms
of
the
condition
discharge.
Thank
you,
chair.
K
Yes,
I
did
hear
my
name
brought
up
the
councillor
caroline
gruen
earlier,
because
we've
talked
about
play
in
the
past,
but
first
of
all,
I
think
that
the
one
that's
on
screen
and
I'm
not
sure
whether
members
can
see
that
one
on
the
screen
and
the
the
applicant
andrew
cobden,
with
with
vastin,
mentioned
it
in
passing
that
to
do
with
that
balance
of
soft
and
hard
there's
more
to
come
way
off
to
the
south
of
that.
Drawing
obviously
there's
there's
more
soft
coming
in
there.
K
But
equally,
I
don't
think
we've
touched
on
it
yet
and
it's
and
we
are
paving
the
way
to
reordering
meadow
lane
and
highways
always
call
it
downgrading,
and
some
of
us
always
call
it
upgrading,
because
actually,
the
balance
of
tarmac
to
green
will
be
massively
different
to
the
left
of
that,
drawing
in
front
of
salem
chapel
towards
the
riverfront.
So
there's
a
balance
to
be
had,
and
in
that
wider
context,
maybe
that
event
space
with
the
flexibility
needed
for
drawing
to
allow
both
soft
and
hard
to
happen
around
that
event.
K
Space,
because
immediately
to
the
south
of
where
all
those
I
suppose
there
it
looks
like
a
little
market
there
on
that
particular
illustration,
there
is
a
there
is
a
sort
of
amphitheater
of
softness
there,
so
the
two
can
interact
and
I've
been
to
that
place
that
councillor
gulf
weight
talks
about
near
near
king's
cross,
and
that
is
a
green
sitting
area
right
adjacent
to
the
canal
and
it
is
beautiful,
but
that
relationship
with
the
hard
and
the
soft
can
happen
there
across
that
across
that
space
into
the
future.
K
But
when,
when
my
name
was
brought
up,
it
was
to
do
with
play,
and
I
I
think
that
play
will
not
be
the
same
in
five
years
time
as
it
as
it
is
when
it
goes
in.
We
we
all
know
that
and
some
of
the
best
play
areas
have
a
common
responsibility
associated
with
them,
and
you
know
I
would
hope
that
in
time
people
don't
point
the
finger
at
the
local
authority
and
say
why
aren't
you
doing
something
here?
There'll
be
residents
there.
That
will
have
so
much
benefit
from
that.
K
You
know
new
residents
as
well
as
councillor
nash
has
mentioned.
Existing
residents
so
some
form
of
relationship
there
I
mean
this.
K
This
is
a
scheme
that
is
about
what
will
it
be
like
for
our
city
in
40
years
time,
as
well
as
the
day
it's
first
there
and
play
it
definitely
does
not
want
to
stay
there
for
as
long
as
andrew
cobton's
thinking
it
might
and
rust
away
it's
you
know
some
of
these
things
can
be
sponsored
so,
but
also,
more
importantly,
I
think
residents
should
have
a
stake
in
that
with
our
with
our
council
and
if
we
can,
with
parks
and
countryside
in
time,
be
flexible
about
who
the
question
who
is
responsible
for
this
and
and
and
my
my
view-
is
that
the
most
the
best
places
european
as
well
as
in
uk
are
looked
after,
and
you
know
in
fact
new
equipment
might
be
might
be
brought
in
by
residents
to
to
to
invest
in
that
space,
and
we
need
to
get
a
partnership
in
that
respect
into
the
future.
K
A
Thank
you
mark
that
was
very
useful
and,
of
course,
you're
dead
right
about
play
equipment
it
does
quickly
get
dated.
I
can
tell
you
that
in
army
in
our
place
and
at
play
parking
army
we're
into
the
third
refurbishment
since
I've
been
a
councillor,
so
I
guess
it's
lasting
about
10
years
before
he
needs
to
move
on
anyway.
That
brings
us
to
the
vote.
G
Can
I
make
just
one
further
comment:
okay,
peter
in
the
summary
I
didn't
hear
that
we
had
taken
on
board
my
request
for
a
security
briefing.
I
hope
that
can
be
included.
M
Yeah
happy
to,
I
think,
it'll
be
a
separate
paper
bespoke
just
to
that
matter,
but
happy
to
bring
that
to
panel
for
information
at
the
right
time.
A
Thank
you,
okay,
council
wall
shot
took
advantage
of
being
first
this
time
and
moved
the
recommendation.
Do
we
have
a
seconder,
please
second
chance,
yeah
I've
seen
council
khan,
he
put
his
hand
up
straight
away.
Okay,
all
right!
A
If
I
go
through
in
name
order,
then,
and
we
will
go
back
to
alphabetical
order,
so
starting
with
council
blackburn,
are
you
in
favor
abstain
or
against
david.
A
A
And
I'll
jump
in
last
before
john
corrects
me,
council
mckenna,
I
am
in
support
and
also
welcome
for
the
city.
It's
about
time.
We
had
a
city
center
park,
long
overdue,
long
overdue.
Thank
you
john.
I
believe
that's
unanimous.
M
I
I
think
I've
got
very
little
to
add
it's
unanimous
support
for
the
proposals,
we'll
pick
up
on
the
on
the
detailed
comments
and
work
through
those
in
terms
of
conditioned
discharges
with
the
applicant
and
I'm
happy
at
the
right
time
to
bring
a
paper
on
the
security
matters
that
have
been
raised.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Lovely
well.
That
concludes
the
business
of
the
meeting.
Can
I
thank
you
all
for
your
contributions.
I
think
it's
been
very
reflective
and
very
interesting
and
we
have
things
to
work
out.
It's
not
quite
there
yet,
but
we're
moving
in
the
right
direction
and
with
that
can
I
declare
the
meeting
closed.
Thank
you.