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A
A
I'd
like
to
start
the
meeting
today
by
confirming
that
this
meeting
of
the
south
and
west
plans
panel
meets
the
requirements
of
the
council's
constitution.
Even
though
members
of
the
panel
are
in
remote
attendance,
while
items
today
will
be
fully
discussed,
as
is
usual
at
the
south
and
west
plans.
Panel
remote
attendance
requires
a
few
slight
changes
as
to
how
I
will
manage
this
debate.
A
Therefore,
can
I
can
all
attendees,
please
mute
their
microphones
unless
I
invite
them
to
speak,
and
this
will
avoid
disruption
from
the
background
noise
can
all
participants,
please
keep
their
cameras
on
during
the
meeting.
A
All
participants
will
be
invited
to
introduce
themselves
at
the
start
of
the
public
session
to
make
it
clear
to
public
observers,
who'll
be
involved
in
the
proceedings
today
I
intend
to
go
systematically
around
each
panel
member
asking
if
they
have
any
questions
and
comments
to
ensure
that
everyone
has
the
opportunity
to
participate,
and
I
shall
do
the
same
when
requesting
your
vote.
But
of
course
you
don't
absolutely
have
to
contribute
if
you're
invited
to
do
so.
A
A
Thank
you
very
much
so
councillor
hesselwood,
thank
you.
You
you'll
be
my
advice.
If
I
drop
out
I'll
take
the
vote
by
assuming
your
silence
of
approval
for
council
hesselwood.
A
Thank
you,
and
so
now
I'm
going
to
invite
members
and
officers
to
introduce
themselves.
So
if
you
would
unmute,
we.
A
F
Councillor
kaylee
brooks
little
london
and
woodhouse
ward
councillor
campbell.
D
Joel's
not
arrived
yet
chair.
I've
just
sent
a
message
out.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
tom.
D
D
A
A
A
I
So
the
site
is
located
to
the
northern
south
side
of
alcoates
road
in
pudsey,
and
you
can
see
it
outlined
in
red
there.
There's
residential
development
to
a
number
of
sides
consisting
of
suburban,
semi-detached
properties,
predominantly
the
site
itself
is
2.23
hectares
in
size
and
is
greenfield
with
the
exception
of
two
telecoms
masts.
I
Part
of
the
northern
boundary
is
formed
by
a
yorkshire
water
covered
reservoir,
which
is
surrounded
by
a
high
metal
fence
and
trees,
and
you
can
see
this
as
the
the
sort
of
the
square
structure
just
to
the
north
and
east
of
the
application
site
to
the
north.
Land
is
open
and
green
with
the
ring
road.
Providing
enclosure
to
the
south,
east
and
west
is
residential
development
so
that
the
area
is
fully
surrounded
by
built
development.
I
There
are
some
non-designated
heritage
assets
to
the
south
west
of
the
site
at
alcoat's
farm.
However,
these
are
not
within
the
boundary
of
the
application,
and
a
historic
settlement
lies
to
the
north
near
the
bypass.
But
again
is
not
within
the
application
boundary
the
site
itself
is
accessible
with
many
facilities
within
walking
distance.
A
two
meter
walking
catchment.
Sorry
two
kilometer
walk
in
catchment
includes
both
primary
schools
and
secondary
schools,
health
facilities,
shops
and
other
services.
I
I
I
Please-
and
this
is
a
view
looking
north
across
the
main
part
of
the
site
with
the
reservoir
just
on
the
right
hand,
side.
So
the
site
is
relatively
level
across
the
area
with
local
rises
and
dips
and
beyond
the
site
to
the
north.
The
land
does
drop
such
that
the
bypass
is
hidden
from
view
next
slide
please.
I
So
this
is
the
red
line
boundary
and
essentially
this
will
be
the
the
only
approved
plan
as
part
of
this
application
if
it
goes
through
today.
So
as
noted,
it
is
in
outline
and
it's
to
agree
the
principle
of
development
and
the
means
of
access.
Only
now,
with
regards
to
the
principle,
this
has
been
established
through
the
allocation
of
the
site
within
the
site
allocations
plan.
I
A
comprehensive
development
of
the
whole
sap
site
would
have
been
preferred,
but
there
will
be
ample
opportunity
to
ensure
a
layout
that
does
not
impede
access
to
those
two
areas
for
potential
future
development
should
that
come
forward.
Any
layout
will
also
need
to
ensure
access
to
the
reservoir
for
maintenance
purposes
for
yorkshire,
water
as
well.
I
I
All
other
policies
within
the
sap
remain
adopted
and
should
be
afforded
full
weight,
so
this
site
is
allocated
as
an
hg2
site,
but
it
was
not
in
the
green
belt
immediately
before
the
adoption
of
the
site
allocation
plan
and
therefore
it's
not
affected
by
this
statutory
challenge.
It
remains
adopted
and
its
allocation
for
housing
carries
full
weight
next
plan.
Please.
I
I
The
developer
will
be
asked
to
test
for
infiltration
and
the
use
of
soakaways
as
an
alternative
to
discharging
to
the
sewer
system
through
condition
and
a
full
drainage
design
would
be
required
prior
to
commencement
next
slide.
Please,
oh
sorry,
no
sorry!
That
is
the
last
slide.
Forgive
me
with
regards
to
concerns
raid
about
trees.
The
existing
trees
are
located
to
boundaries
of
the
site.
A
tree
survey
has
been
submitted,
which
demonstrates
retention
of
all
the
existing
trees.
I
I
Consequently,
the
application
is
recommended
for
approval,
subject
to
conditions
and
the
completion
of
a
satisfactory
legal
agreement
and
just
to
add
on
as
well
actually
that
the
legal
agreement-
it's
not
specifically
specified
on
the
the
panel
report,
but
it
would
also
need
to
include
potentially
biodiversity
and
also
green
space
maintenance
as
well.
Thank
you
chair.
Thank.
A
You
very
much
vicky,
and
now
we
do
have
council
carter
with
us
who
would
like
to
speak
in
objection
to
this
application.
Council
carter.
I
know
you
are
with
us
this
afternoon-
welcome
to
the
meeting
and
thank
you
for
coming
to
speak
to
us
this
afternoon.
You
have
up
to
four
minutes
and
so
do
start
in
your
own.
A
J
J
J
I
set
out
in
some
detail
our
objections
and
I
don't
propose
to
go
through
them
all
they're,
all
in
writing
in
front
of
you,
but
I
do
want
to
take
issue
with
a
number
of
points.
First
of
all,
it
is
simply
incorrect
to
say
there
have
been
no
accidents
on
al
coach
road
on
the
30th
of
june
of
this
year,
a
car
overturned
and
the
fire
brigade
had
to
be
called,
and
also
during
this
year,
another
vehicle
trash
crashed
into
the
garden
wall
of
a
house
opposite
the
site.
J
So
I
don't
know
where
the
planning
department
got
their
information
from
I've
opposed
this
piece
of
land
being
included
for
housing,
since
it
was
first
mooted
by
the
planning
department,
and
I
want
to
particularly
refer
to
the
remission
and
court
hearing
high
court
hearing
on
the
greenbelt
sites.
J
I
think
it's
a
bit
rich
to
be
frank
for
the
planners,
to
quote
verbatim
on
or
under
paragraph
1015,
what
the
inspector
said,
because
the
inspector
of
course
said
similar
things
about
the
green
belt
sites
and
was
found
to
be
an
error
and
the
result
is
they've
all
been
removed.
The
contention
would
be
that
had
this
legal
challenge
included
greenfield
sites,
then
our
planning
department
would
have
been
similarly
found
wanting
and
these
greenfield
sites
would
not
have
been
included
on
climate
change.
J
The
council
declared
a
climate
emergency
after
the
time
this
site
was
allocated.
Therefore,
its
effect
building
on
its
effect
to
the
environment
can't
have
been
considered
and
I'm
beginning
to
wonder
whether
the
council
does
indeed
take
climate,
the
climate
change
emergency
seriously,
because
if
we're
going
to
include
pieces
of
greenfield
site
like
this
for
housing
purposes,
it
makes
something
of
a
mockery
of
it.
J
As
a
regards
the
site
itself,
the
developer
gave
the
game
away
with
the
plan
he
submitted,
which
indicated
a
number
of
dwellings
which
showed
a
total
disregard
for
the
amenities
of
existing
residents
in
our
coast,
gardens
alcoves,
road
and
hill
foot.
J
Additionally,
it
showed
a
hop
ahead.
Would
you
believe,
into
the
field
below
those
part
of
this
outline,
something
which
was
raised
at
the
core
strategy
review
by?
I
presume
someone
to
do
with
the
developer,
which
I
strongly
argued
against,
along
with
the
whole
site
itself,
and
the
inspector
did
in
fact
agree
that
further
development
further
into
this
area
of
land
was
not
appropriate,
but
it
seems
the
developer
is
intent
upon
doing
that,
and
I
would
hope
that
whatever
happens
with
this
application,
necessary
protection
measures
will
be
taken
to
make
sure
this
doesn't
happen.
J
In
conclusion,
some
members
will
recall
that,
over
the
objections
of
our
highways
department,
members
agreed
to
a
zebra
crossing
on
galloway
lane
as
part
of
the
hill
foot
farm
development.
J
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
councillor
carter
just
nicely
in
the
four
minutes.
So
I'm
now
going
to
ask
the
panel
if
they
have
any
questions,
they'd
like
to
ask
councillor
carter
in
the
usual
way,
I'm
afraid
going
down
the
alphabetical
list.
Councillor.
Al
anderson.
Do
you
have
any
questions.
E
Yes,
I've
got
a
number
okay.
First
of
all,
you
kiss
carter.
You
made
comment
about
the
number
of
properties,
because
there
is
a
an
indicative
plan
showing
a
number
there's,
also
a
maximum
of
77,
and
you
also
mentioned
about
them
being
too
close
to
joining
properties.
E
If
this
application
was
to
be
approved,
is
there
a
number
you
feel
could
be
put
onto
this
site?
So
that's
question
number
one
in
terms
of
question
number
two
victoria
in
her
outline
mentioned
that
she
felt
that
there
was
sufficient
infrastructure
health
services
and
in
the
area,
but
someone
who
knows
the
area
myself
but
you're,
the
local
councillor.
What's
your
view
on
that
in
the
on
page
17,
paragraph
7.1,
it
makes
reference
to
contaminated
lane
land
studies.
Have
you
seen
any
of
these
contaminated
studies?
E
Also,
if
can
you
outline
what
sort
of
consultation
has
taken
place
with
the
developer,
with
both
yourselves
and
local
residents
as
well,
and
then
there
are
some
other
ones,
but
it
depends
on
the
answers
I
get
to
those
particular
questions.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
councilor
anderson.
Would
you
like
to
respond
councillor
carter.
J
Yes,
thank
you
well,
first
of
all,
as
I
make
clear,
I'm
opposed
in
principle
to
this
development,
so
I'm
not
going
to
speculate
on
housing
numbers
other
than
to
say
that
quite
clearly,
what
is
proposed
is
grossly
over-intensive
and
residents.
J
Existing
residents
would
face
the
prospect
of
greenfield
going
and
new
house
house
boundaries
up
against
their
own
boundaries,
which
they
have
never
had
before
and
with
the
experience
of,
what's
happened
at
hill
farm
down
the
road
which
was
another
greenfield
area,
although
it
was
in
protected
area
of
search,
we've
now
got
residents
existing
residents
there
faced
with
the
gable
ends
of
new
properties
within
a
few
feet
of
their
boundary.
So
I'm
extremely
concerned
about
that.
As
regards
infrastructure,
I
really
don't
know
where
our
planners
get
this
information.
J
J
The
schools,
as
far
as
I
am
aware,
are
all
full.
So,
where
are
the
kids
going
to
go
to
school
if
the
local
schools
are
full?
Where
are
the
residents
going
to
go
for
their
health
services?
If
the
local
surgery
is
full,
I
mean,
I
just
think
we,
it's
almost
become
a
standard
response.
Hasn't
it.
J
Yes,
the
services
are
adequate
when
they
are
grossly
inadequate
and
the
final
point
I've
had
no
consultation
whatever
as
regards
the
result
of
the
land
contamination
study,
but
certainly
the
developer
consulted
the
adjacent
existing
residents
about
their
proposals
and
local
residents
made
sure
we
obviously
was
local
councillors
were
aware
of
this
public
consultation.
J
So
they
did
do
that
and
I
think
that's
what
began
to
generate
the
levels
of
opposition.
A
J
But
it
is
a
fact
that
virtually
all
the
housing
developments
basically
from
al
coach
road
northwoods
drain
down
into
the
various
backs,
two
of
which
have
been
mentioned,
but
there
are
others
which
ultimately
lead
to
rodley
and-
and
I
have
to
say
that
you
know
when
I
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
supporting
the
council
in
lobbying
government
for
a
1
in
200
year,
flood
alleviation
scheme,
which
we
have
got
government
funding
for
and
when
I
see
here
that,
what's
being
proposed
by
the
council,
is
one
in
100
plus
40
percent,
and
we
know
that
rodney
can
flood.
J
A
F
I
do
please
chair
just
the
one.
Thank
you.
I'd
I'd
be
interested
to
know
what
conversations
were
had
during
the
the
development
of
the
the
site
allocations
plan
because
because
obviously
it's
now
in
the
site
allocations
plan
and
now
it's
a
plans
panel.
We
have
to
give
quite
a
lot
of
weight
to
that.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
if
this
was
raised
or
not
during
the
time.
J
Yeah
it
answered
yes,
it
was
I'm
the
award
councillors,
then
the
then
ward
councillors
for
carving
faster
board
made
it
very
clear
that
we
were
not
happy
about
this
site
being
included.
J
J
I'm
I'm
astonished
really.
There
isn't
a
a
ward
in
the
city.
I
think
where
sites
haven't
been
put
forward,
that
elected
members
have
not
raised
issue
with
I'm
talking
about
greenfield
or
greenbelt
rather
than
brownfield.
J
I
think
I've
answered
that.
Yes,
I
just
suggest
I
suggest
with
respect
that.
Perhaps
somebody
explains
that
this
long
drawn
out.
F
A
F
J
It's
a
very
big
question.
The
simple
the
simple
fact
is
that
sites
were
put
in
which
residents
and
elected
members
objected
to
some
got
more
resident
objection
than
others
to.
A
J
A
Story
short
councillor
brooks,
it
was
a
very,
very
extended
process
that
went
on
for
a
very
long
time
and,
and
some
sites
were
highly
controversial
and
others
were
more
straightforward,
but
there
were
very,
very
strong
feelings
at
every
stage
of
the
of
the
process,
probably
too
long
to
go
into
here,
but
we
we
will
organize
a
session.
I
think
so
that
everybody's
brought
up
to
date
about
that
process.
But,
yes,
it
was
a
robust
process,
but
it
was
also
a
very
controversial
process.
A
H
Would
say,
I
think
that's
your
comment
in
regard
to
getting
the
self-allocation
in
place
is
a
slight
understatement.
It
was
even
more
cautious
than
that
from
my
memory
and
I
I
do
recall
that
the
world
members
did
not
support.
F
This
site
going
into
the
sap,
but
unfortunately.
G
For
them
it.
H
J
The
answer
is
that
I
don't
know
what
I
do
know
is
that
what
counselors
in
in
pudsey
and
carving
fastly
have
been
involved
in
preliminary
preliminary
discussions
with
surgeries
around
the
area
about
what
is
needed
in
terms
of
expanded
capacity,
and
that
includes
this
surgery.
A
A
Okay,
thank
you,
council
hamilton.
I
don't
know
how
much
of
the
meeting
you've
had
an
opportunity
to
listen
to,
but
do
you
have
any
questions
for
councillor
carter.
K
No
chair,
sorry
for
being
late.
Okay
did
air
counselor
come
to.
A
A
I
don't
think
so:
okay,
councillor
stevenson.
G
Yes,
good
for
questions.
Thank
you,
chair
incredibly
jealous
of
councillor
brooke's
privileged
position
of
not
having
to
have
sat
through
all
of
the
staffing
choirs,
as
we
did
what
I
will
say
for
those
for
those
who
are
perhaps
listening
in
today.
I
don't
think,
except
for
all
those
sap
inquiries,
I
don't
think
any
award
counselor
could
have
done
more
to
represent
the
views
of
their
constituents
on
the
than
councillor
carter
did
on
this
site.
G
On
that
point,
councillor
carter,
the
site,
specific
requirements
that
were
discussed
at
the
sap
process.
Is
there
anything
outstanding
in
that
that
you
would
disagree
with,
for
example,
thinking
about
the
ecology
of
the
site
and
things
like
bat
surveys,
etc?
Are
you
confident
that
all
those
have
been
done
now
and
messed
at
this
stage
before
it
comes
to
plans
panel.
J
No
I'm
not
just
as
an
aside
for
councillor
brooks's
benefit.
I
had
a
full
head
of
hair
when
this
debate
all
began,
and
now
you
can
almost
count
them
on
the
fingers
of
two
hands.
Be
that
as
it
may,
no
I'm
not
satisfied
is
the
answer.
J
I
think
that
the
importance
of
the
site-
and
I'm
particularly
talking
about
the
part
of
the
site
that
has
never
had
any
housing
permissions
on
it,
which
is
the
bulk
of
the
site,
and
if
somebody
could
put
up
the
outline
again,
you'll
see
precisely
what
I
mean.
Alcoates
hill
and
the
existence
of
a
medieval
settlement.
Alcoa's
hamlet,
has
almost
been
brushed
aside.
It's
been
acknowledged
but
brushed
aside,
and
that
really
is
is
is
unacceptable.
J
I
can
think
of
other
areas
where
we'd
be
going
to
town
on
the
fact
there
was
such
remains
of
such
a
settlement,
and-
and
this
developer
has
quite
clearly
shown
that
he
wants
to
go
further
into
this.
What
was
rural
land,
which
brings
it
closer
to
the
remainders
of
this
this
settlement
and
as
regards
the
bat
survey?
Well,
residents
tell
me
that
they
don't
believe
a
proper
bat
survey
has
been
done
and
at
the
moment,
they're
seeing
quite
a
lot
of
the
these.
G
I'm
major
just
a
quick
follow-up
on
traffic.
How
confident
counts
the
car
show
as
somebody
who's
on
the
ground
that
actually
sees
what's
going
on
there
in
terms
of
the
traffic
survey.
You've
already
mentioned
the
issue
about
accidents
which
will
pick
up
with
officers
in
questions,
but
in
terms
of
cars
entering
and
exiting
exiting
the
site.
We
all
know
what
happens
normally
these
formulas
set
out
and
then
in
reality
it's
something
different.
G
So
in
terms
of
capacity
on
that
road
is
that,
is
it
going
to
be
an
additional
problem
at
peak
hours
mornings
and
evenings
if
more
traffic
is
coming
in
out
of
that
site?
And
finally,
just
on
schools
as
well.
I
know
you've
mentioned
that,
but
of
the
existing
primary
schools
in
the
area
are
any
of
them.
Do
any
of
them?
Have
the
capacity
to
expand
or
are
they
quite
constrained
within
their
sites?.
J
The
three
nearest
schools
are
waterloo,
primary
and
primrose
hill
primary,
which
are
both
part
of
the
alcoates
matt
multi
academy,
trust
and,
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
both
are
full.
The
third.
The
third
school
is
baltimore
primary
school,
which
is
across
galloway
lane
and
into
you.
Well
you
that
the
the
the
map
is
up
at
the
moment,
so
you'll
see
where
I
mean
the
top
left,
it
says
school.
J
Primrose
hill
and
waterloo
have
both
been
extended
in
the
relatively
recent
past.
I
can't
believe
there
is
further
scope
for
extension,
so
there's
an
issue,
an
issue
there
and
as
regards
highways.
J
Well,
I
I
have
no
doubt
you
know
they
they'll
they'll,
do
a
speed
count
on
or
they've
done,
one
on
alcoa's
road.
To
be
frank,
most
councillors
believe
these
speed
counts
to
really
be
to
to
be
active
of
not
fiction
because
they're
clearly
fat,
but
they
don't.
But
if
you
say
85
percent
of
the
vehicles
that
use
the
road
obey
the
speed
limit.
J
Well
right,
okay!
Well,
that
means
15,
don't
I've!
Given
you
an
outline
of
of
two
accidents,
one
with
the
car
turned
upside
down.
Well
work
it
out
for
yourself
what
speed
that
might
or
might
not
have
been
going-
and
I
don't
have
the
details,
so
I
can't
say
for
definite,
but
it
doesn't
take
all
the
working
out
and
certainly
coming
out
onto
that
road.
J
The
traffic
will
be
mainly
at
I
would
guess
school
times,
because
we
know
that,
whatever
we
may
say,
parents
have
a
habit
of
taking
their
kids
to
and
from
school
and
the
morning
and
evening
rush
hours
when
the
road
is
very
busy
and
when
we
return
to
normality,
which
I
hope
we
will,
it
will
be
even
busier
with
this
development
should
point
out
that
the
ward
councillors
in
carving
fastly
and
putsy
have
put
in
place
speed
activated
signs
on
alcoa's
road,
and
it
was
the
lobbying
of
the
then
councillors
for
carving
fastly
ward
that
got
the
speed
humps
put
in
place
like
all
speed
humps,
they
are
pretty
ineffective.
J
I
have
to
say-
and
certainly
we,
the
the
council
ought
to
be
looking
at
more
road
safety
measures
on
that
stretch
of
road.
It's
it's
I'm.
A
B
B
This
view
is
supported
by
the
look
by
the
council's
local
plans
team
who
have
recommended
on
our
application
since
the
outcome
of
the
legal
challenge
and
have
stated
that
refusals
on
allocated
sites
in
an
adopted
plan
could
leave
lead
to
speculative
and
peaceful
development
and
potentially
less
sustainable
sites
being
considered
for
allocation.
Within
the
sap
review,
the
sap
has
provided
evidence
that
the
application
site
is
more
sustainable
than
other
discounted
sites
within
the
out
to
west
hmca.
B
B
We
can
therefore
take
from
this
statement
that
the
inspector
has
found
that
the
site
is
one
of
the
best
and
most
sustainable
choices
for
development
within
the
outer
west.
Hmca
to
meet
the
area's
housing
need.
Finally,
in
line
with
your
office's
recommendation
for
approval,
there
are
no
objections
from
any
statutory
council.
Teas
importantly,
the
site
will
deliver
new
housing
whilst
being
policy
compliant
in
relation
to
housing
mix,
provision
funds
by
open
space,
housing
density
and
access.
B
In
addition,
the
site
will
provide
section
106
contributions,
including
on-site,
affordable
housing
at
15,
a
significant
financial
contribution
to
the
junction
improvements
at
dawson's
corner
on
both
travel
plan
fund
and
travel
plan,
monitoring
fees.
Overall,
the
site
is
allocated
for
residential
development
with
an
up-to-date
adopted
development
plan.
The
site
has
been
thoroughly
assessed
by
leed
city
council
and
forms
an
integral
part
of
the
council's
housing
delivery
figures
in
the
lead
site
allocations
belong.
B
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
that,
and
and
I
am
going
to
invite
panel
to
ask
any
questions
they
want
now
going
down
the
alphabetical
list
again.
Councillor
anderson.
E
E
E
You
have
nobody
left
because,
according
to
you,
there's
only
38
people
going
out
and
you've
got
38
people
going
into
your
site
and
you've
got
43
coming
out
on
a
daily
basis,
which
means
you've
got
five
people
disappearing
every
day.
So
after
13
days
will
be
nobody
left
on
your
site.
Do
you
agree
with
that?.
B
E
Right
so
the
other
question,
the
climate
change.
What
climate
change
initiatives
are
you
going
to
be
introducing
on
this
site?
What
are
you
going
to
put
in
place
in
order
to
meet
not
necessarily
any
statutory
obligation,
but
as
a
good
developer?
What
are
you
planning
to
volunteer
to
put
into
this
development.
B
I
think
that
that's
a
point
that
would
be
picked
up
at
a
later
stage
in
the
science
development
at
this
moment
in
time
we
are
looking
at
an
outline
application,
that's
set
in
parameters,
so
there
would
be
measures
for
that,
but
they
would
come
forward
at
reserve
matter
stage
later
down.
The
line.
E
But
we've
been
asked
to
consider
this
case
today,
because
the
local
ward
councillors
are
concerned
on
climate
change
grounds.
What
I'm
asking
you
to
is
to
give
an
answer
back
to
those
local
councillors
and
point
out
how
good
you
are
and
that
they
have
nothing
to
worry
about
that.
You
are
totally
committed
and
you've
got
a
range
of
measures
that
you
are
going
to
introduce.
B
There
would
definitely
be
the
range
of
measures
introduced.
I
can't
give
you
specifics
this
afternoon.
Any
approval
would
be
conditioned
that
would
have
to
meet
measures
and,
for
example,
your
biodiversity
net
gain
policy.
That
kind
of
thing,
so
I
don't
have
any
specifics
for
you
this
afternoon.
As
I
say,
given
the
stage
of
the
application,
as
I
say
they
would
come
a
more
detailed
stage.
I
think
one
of
the
other
council
has
mentioned
things
about
ecology,
there's,
there's
stuff
in
the
ecology
reports.
B
A
No
thank
you
chair.
Thank
you.
Councillor,
campbell,
no
questions.
I
don't
think
councillor
finnegan's
arrived
yet
andy.
Councillor,
hamilton,
no
question
chair.
Thank
you.
Councillor,
hesselwood.
F
No
nothing
for
me.
Thank
you.
A
No
question:
okay,
councillor
stevenson.
G
Thank
you,
chad,
just
turning
to
10.27
and
power
10.28
of
report.
I
wonder
if,
if
the
speaker
could
comment
on
the
drainage
angles,
specifically
regarding
the
the
way
that
the
water
is
going
to
be
moving
on
on
and
off
the
site,
at
any
existence
of
things
like
wells
underground
drains
and
whether
at
this
stage,
you
could
give
more
information
on
on
what
what's
going
to
be
proposed
to
do
with
that.
B
Yes,
thank
you
chair
at
this
moment
in
time,
as
I
say,
outline
application,
there
was
a
drainage
strategy
prepared
that
came
in
alongside
the
flood
risk
assessment
and
that
looked
at
things
at
a
fairly
high
level.
It
sets
parameters,
it
sets
requirements
for
further
work
and
they
then
fall
out
into
the
conditions
on
any
approval.
B
You've
got
the
list
at
the
end
of
the
officers
report
and
there
are
two
or
three,
then
that
would
pick
up
drainage
specifically,
and
that
would
be
the
detailed
drainage
that
would
follow
alongside
any
reserve
matters
once
a
layout
is
fixed,
that
kind
of
thing
and
they
would
have
to
put
in
the
specific
measures
that
would
meet
the
the
parameters
and
the
safeguards
that
your
officers
have
put
in
by
way
of
conditions.
A
Okay,
thanks
very
much
so
we'll
move
then
to
questions
to
the
offices.
Councillor
anderson.
E
You
won't
be
surprised
to
know
I've
got
a
lot
based
on
here,
so
I'll,
try
and
condense
them
the
best
I
possibly
can,
when
you
get
back
to
my
pages
right.
E
Right:
okay:
where
are
we
right?
Landscaping?
E
We've
had
a
lot
of
concerns
about
landscaping
about
tree
planting
and
various
other
things.
What
can
we
specify
at
this
stage
around
it?
We've
had
the
request
that
it
should
be
treed
around
the
area.
What
can
we
put
in
to
make
sure
that,
when,
if
this
application
is
approved
this
afternoon
that
we
get
the
tree
belts,
we
actually
need
one
of
the
issues
that
came
up
with
the
development.
That's
on
the
corner
that
was
just
recently
built.
E
It's
not
actually
showing
up
in
our
map
that
we've
got
in
front
of
us.
There
was
a
major
development
and
one
of
the
problems
there
was
that
backing
on
to
the
nearby
houses
as
to
who
was
going
to
be
responsible
for
the
fence,
lines
etc,
and
I'm
pretty
sure
I
have
seen
some
information
within
the
council
somewhere
that
this
hasn't
gone
to
plan
the
way
that
the
officer
said
that
it
would
be
agreed
at
the
time.
E
So
what
can
we
put
in
place
to
make
sure
that,
if
this
development
site
was
to
go
ahead,
that
the
properties
that
back
onto
this
site,
there
will
be
proper
access
to
maintain
the
boundaries?
Because,
again,
you
know
that
was
something
that
we
were
given
assurance
at
the
galloway
lane
application
and
it
turned
out
that
we've
not
been
able
to
deliver
it
for
the
residents
in
the
area
in
terms
of
highways.
E
Where
else
have
we
got
right?
The
next
one
is
the
access
onto
owlcoats
have
if
you've
actually
been
on
owlcoat
road,
it
slopes
up
and
down
it's
dangerous
to
come
out
there
at
the
best
of
times.
Just
now,
if
you
try
and
come
out
from
the
access
roads
at
the
side,
it's
very
dangerous
at
this
point
in
time,
because
visibility
isn't
that
great,
because
there
are
cars,
even
if
they
do
come
up
the
road
at
30
miles
per
hour.
E
It's
such
a
slope
that
you
don't
necessarily
see
the
cars
coming
up,
so
I've
got
grave
concerns
over
that.
I
also
would
argue
that
people
might
not
necessarily
come
out
of
the
site
and
turn
right
and
go
down
to
the
barracks
to
get
out
onto
the
major
roads.
They
may
in
turn,
just
drive
all
the
way
through
pudsey
and
come
out
just
at
the
junction
where,
if
you
were
leaving
asda,
you
would
join
on
to
the
bypass.
So
are
you
not
looking
to
try
and
do
something
around
that
junction?
E
A
C
That's
good
sorry
about
earlier.
I
don't
know
what
happened
so
starting
off
with
the
math.
Sorry,
I'm
turning
sideways,
because
I'm
looking
at
me
bigger
screen,
what's
quoted
in
10.23
it's
just
whilst
it
says,
am
peak
and
pm
peak,
it's
actually
the
the
peak
hour
within
the
morning
peak
and
the
evening
peak.
So
basically,
if
you
imagine
generally
with
a
any
any
any
sort
of
housing
development
that
people
probably
leave
for
work
sometime
between
I'll
accept.
E
C
Throughout
the
day,
as
a
if
you
take
the
full
24
hour
period,
you
can
roughly
multiply
the
number
of
houses
by
probably
seven
or
eight
as
the
total
number
of
movements
you
know
throughout
the
day
which
which
is
not
you
know,
which,
as
you
say,
is
people
going
out
during
the
day
shopping
people
going
out
in
the
evening
and
such
like?
Yes,
so
it's
going
to
be
busy.
C
Well
I
mean
it,
we
would
say
I
would
say
not.
You
know
the
the
the
the
figures
quoted
in
10.23
are
the
the
busiest
two
hours
of
the
day
and
either
side
of
that
it
will
be
much
much
less
than
that.
E
So
how
many
right
turns
do
you
anticipate
going
to
be
made
because,
as
I
said,
if
you're
coming
up
from
the
bottom
of
the
site,
where
the
housing
development,
the
previous
one,
was
you
come
up
there?
It's
a
steep
hill,
it's
a
steep
hill!
So
if
someone's
coming
out
of
that
site
to
turn
right
to
go
down
the
hill
they're
going
to
be
facing
cars
that
are
just
suddenly
going
to
come
into
their
sight
as
they
come
out,
and
I
mean
I'm
not
disputing
the
width
of
the
that
you've
got.
E
I'm
not
disputing
the
width
of
that
you're
planning
to
go.
It's
a
whereabout
on
the
road
that
it's
going
to
come
out.
It's
going
to
be
very
difficult
to
see
cars
coming
up,
so
anybody
turning
right
is
taking
their
life
in
their
hands
equally,
if
you're
coming
from
pudsey
and
turning
right
into
the
site
at
night,
you
won't
necessarily
see
cars
coming
up
from
that
particular
part
as
well.
Are
you
not
concerned
that
that's
a
possibility.
C
Well,
no,
I
mean
I
mean,
first
of
all,
in
terms
of
the
the
split
it's
been
assumed
that
it'll
be
about
a
50
50
split,
left
and
right
is
because,
as
you
say,
the
the
attractiveness
of
going
either
way
is
probably
about
the
same,
depending
on
on
where
you're
heading
the
the
sight
lines
from
the
site
have
been
measured
at
90
meters.
C
Now,
90
meters
is
the
the
sight
line
that
would
traditionally
apply
for,
in
fact,
sites
going
back
many
years
where,
where
they,
where
it's
a
30
mile
an
hour,
speed
limit,
but
you
don't
know
the
actual
vehicle
speed
and,
and
it
actually
accommodates
vehicles
traveling
up
to
37
miles
an
hour.
We
do
know
here
from
speed
surveys.
There
was
one
in
2019
that
the
850
85th
percentile,
speed
on
the
road
is
is
is
just
about
just
less
than
30
miles
an
hour
and
the
average
speed
is
is
less
than
that.
C
E
Bear
in
mind
that
there's
been
these
accidents
that
we've
been
advised
about
today
that
weren't
already
in
the
report
and
your
highways
colleagues
have
deemed
it
necessary
to
put
traffic
camping
measures
on
this
road.
Now
all
elected
members
know
trying
to
get
highways
to
agree
to
put
traffic
coming
down
is
not
necessarily
the
easiest
thing
to
do
so.
There's
obviously
been
very
good
reason
why
highways
have
agreed
to
it
and
on
the
on
the
picture
that
we've
got
where
the
entrance
is,
there's
actually
some
traffic
camera
measures
nearby,
so
they've
been
done
for
a
reason.
C
Well,
as
I
say,
what
I
don't
know
and
which
I
haven't
researched
is
going
back
several
years
before
that
traffic
jamming
was
put
in
what
the
what
the
speeds
were
then,
but,
as
I
said,
the
2019
speed
survey,
which
is
obviously
after
the
traffic
cam,
is
being
put
in
place,
shows
traffic
speeds
to
be
85th
percentile,
just
slightly
below
30
miles
an
hour,
so
it
would
have
see
it
would.
C
It
would
seem
that
the
traffic
army
is
doing
its
job
just
looking
at
the
accidents
where
generally
the
stuff
that
we
get
through,
that
appears
on
our
system
can
delay
by
a
few
a
few
weeks.
There
is
an
accident
recorded
near
alcoa's
terrace,
which
is
just
slightly
to
the
east
of
the
site,
which,
which
was,
which
is
probably,
I
think
it
was
30th
of
june
this
year.
So
that's
probably
the
one
one
of
the
ones
that
council
lookout
is
referred
to.
C
There
isn't
a
lot
of
information
about
it,
other
than
that
the
the
injuries
of
the
driver
was
only
slight.
So
I
mean
cars
do
turn
over
in
accidents
at
fairly
low
speeds.
So
that
could
have
been
that
that
on
alcoa's
road
itself,
the
ordinal
accident
then
goes
back
to
2013..
C
There
are
some
accidents
recorded,
just
as
you
go
around
the
bend,
which
is
then
called
cemetery
road.
There's,
there's
there's
one
there's
a
couple
down
there,
but
that
that's
quite
remote
from
the
side,
but
there's
a
length
of
road
to
to
to
have
an
accident
in
2013
recorded
and
then
one
in
2020.
That
would
to
me
suggest
a
pretty
safe
section
of
road.
A
I
Yes,
chair,
thank
you
perhaps
if
I
can
just
pick
up
on
the
landscaping
element.
Obviously
this
is
an
outline
application.
We
are
not
considering
landscaping
as
part
of
this
that
will
have
to
be
submitted
as
a
separate
application,
and
we
will
be
able
to
sort
of
consider
it
at
that
stage
in
conjunction
with
the
layout
and
the
set
out
of
green
space,
public
open
space
and
all
that
sort
of
thing
with
regard
to
who's
responsible
for
fence
lines.
Obviously,
that
is
a
civil
matter.
I
Each
each
occupier
will
have
fence
lines
for
which
they
are
responsible
for
the
maintenance.
Now
there
is
no
right
to
actually
maintain
fences
if
it
is
not
within
the
bounds
of
your
property,
so
that
is
a
civil
matter,
not
something
that
planning
can
necessarily
control.
E
What
I
asked
was:
what
can
we
put
into
the
any
approval
today
about
the
landscaping,
because
I
know
from
bitter
experience
that
unless
we
get
the
conditions
right,
it's
very
difficult
to
actually
reserve
matter
stage
to
get
anything
done
unless
we
get
in
at
the
very
beginning,
unless
we
make
it
very
clear
to
the
developer.
What
we're
putting
in
so
I'm
asking
for
advice.
E
What
can
we
put
in
to
tighten
the
conditions
up
that
are
outlined
in
this
report
here
to
make
sure
that
we
can
meet
the
landscaping
needs
about
tree
cover
biodiversity
and
various
other
things?
I'm
asking
for
advice
on
that
one
and
in
respect
and
in
respect
of
the
fencing
one
at
the
previous
time
when
I
sat
in
when
this
application
at
the
bottom
of
the
hill
came
in.
E
This
very
question
came
up,
and
it
was
mr
butler
who
said
I'll
I'll
get
clarification
because
with
the
case
was
deferred
and
he
brought
some
further
information
back
again,
because
that
was
on
a
slope
and
it
was
very
easy,
very
difficult
for
people
to
get
down
to
maintain
their
fences
and
because
it
was
allowed
to
be
built
too.
Close
to
each
other,
it's
proving
to
have
local
residents
arguing
with
each
other,
let's
not
build
it
close.
What
I'm
saying
is,
let's
not
build
it
close
this
time
and
we
won't
have
the
arguments
coming
up.
A
Just
before
you
come
in
victoria,
I
think
in
particular,
councilor
anderson
makes
a
good
point
about
being
quite
firm
about
tree
planting
at
the
earliest
possible
stage
in
the
light
of
the
carbon
footprint
issue.
I
wonder
if
perhaps
steve
or
somebody
might
want
to
come
in
and
just
help
us
through
that
one,
because
I
think
putting
markers
down
early
on
is
a
very
good
idea
if
steve's
still
with
us.
I
Might
not
be
possibly
from
the
sounds
of
it
when
we
can,
we
can
put.
We
can
put
condition
on
that
request,
details
of
the
landscaping
to
be
submitted,
but
that
would
have
to
be
done
anyway,
through
condition
two,
I
think
it
is
which
is
the
submission
of
the
reserve
matter,
applications
within
the
legal
agreement.
I
We
will
need
to
have
clauses
with
regard
to
public,
open
space,
sort
of
the
layout,
the
maintenance
and
the
the
sort
of
the
implementation
of
that,
and
we
will
also
have
to
have
potentially
clauses
about
biodiversity
and
and
sort
of
what
exactly
is
expected
to
be
achieved.
I
Now,
if
there's
any
sort
of
particular
tree
belts
that
are
going
to
need
to
be
put
in-
and
I
know
that
the
nature
conservation
officer
has
indicated
he'd
like
to
see
something
along
the
northern
boundary,
particularly
with
regard
to
tree
belts,
potentially
sort
of,
then
the
the
maintenance
of
that
would
also
need
to
go
into
a
legal
agreement
as
well.
E
The
issue,
the
one
that
mr
butler
had
to
get
personally
involved
in
for
the
development
in
the
bottom,
which
hasn't
been
a
success,
because
if
you
take
the
point
I'm
making
is,
if
you
build
the
houses
back,
you
know
and
we
say
we're
going
to
want
a
usable
gap
between
the
houses,
then
that
will
reduce
down
effectively
the
capacity
of
the
site.
That's
what
the
implication
of
what
will
happen.
If
I
get
you
persuaded
to
take
a
two
or
three
meter
gap
around
the
bottom
of
the
site,
so
there
is
sufficient
space.
A
Could
we
say
something
like
accessibility
for
maintenance,
vicky.
H
F
H
Well,
I
wouldn't
have
expected
to
be
satisfactory
now
to
be
fair,
I
think
what
what
vicky's
trying
to
get
across
here
is
that,
because
this
is
only
an
outline-
and
we
have
to
remember
that
it's
only
the
access,
the
principle
that
we're
talking
about
that.
It's
actually
at
this
point
not
really
necessary
for
the
landscaping
detail
to
be
brought
forward.
H
A
Yes,
I
think
that
does
help.
I
don't
know
whether
you
caught
the
the
suggestion
I
made
I
I
we
are
really
very
clear
about
climate
change
and
the
tree
planting
issue,
and
I
was
just
looking
for
a
way
to
enable
us
to
put
a
marker
down
if
you
like
about
the
expectations
in
terms
of
tree
planting
as
early
as
possible,
and
this
discussion
may
well
have
gone
somewhere
towards
doing
that.
Actually,.
H
E
The
point
about
the
100
year
event
and
the
the
council
I've
got
a
standard
of
one
in
200.
In
terms
of
the
rest,
you
know
most
of
the
other
parts
of
the
city.
So
why
the
difference
there
and
then
the
other
point
is
in
paragraph
10.35,
it
says
the
sale
payment
would
contribute
towards
additional
infrastructure
include
school
places
provision
now.
E
What
did
the
officer
mean
when
they
wrote
that?
Because
those
of
us
who
know
about
cell
know
that
the
council's
policy
at
the
moment
is
all
of
the
still
money
that
the
council
get
goes
for
school
provision
now,
whether
that's
right
or
wrong?
That's
not
the
point.
The
point
is
the
council:
that's
what
they
do
with
their
provision.
E
How
much
of
that
sill
will
actually
end
up
with
the
local
ward
members
to
decide
where
it
gets
spent?
It
would
be
good
if
that
was
set
out
in
the
report
to
give
us
a
rough
idea,
because
it's
not
true
because
there
are
infrastructure
needs
and
at
least
if
we
know
how
much
money
the
local
councillors
have
got.
So
is
there
any
clarification
on
those
two
points.
I
I
A
Perhaps
somebody
could
find
out
whilst
the
discussion
is
going
on,
because
it's
a
fairly
straightforward
mathematical
question.
E
L
Okay
messages
earlier
an
urgent
doctor's
appointment,
so
he
couldn't
make
it
to
this
meeting.
Actually,
unfortunately,.
I
Yeah
I
mean
looking
at
the
response
that
maine's
drainage
provided
us
with
and
they
did
review
the
objection
which
I
think
was
from
councillor
carter
and
provided
some
response
to
that.
Now
it
does
say
in
in
their
comments
it.
It
says
the
one
in
100
plus
40
allowance
for
climate
change.
If
that's
incorrect,
we'll
have
to
go
back
and
check
that,
but
that
that
is
what
the
comment
says.
Unfortunately,
so
I
can't
give
you
sort
of
any
indication
as
to
why
it
says
that.
G
G
Is
is
that
accords
with
our
policies
on
the
requirements?
So
that's
why
it's
in
there,
as
as
one
in
100
plus
40
that
meets
our
policy
requirements.
A
A
I
think
he's
had
to
leave
on
an
urgent
family
issue.
Yeah.
H
So
we've
got
a
response
on
the
still
payments.
If
you
can
just
bear
with
me
a
second
okay.
Thank
you
flicking
between
so
many
screens.
Thank
you
bear
with
me
one
second
yeah.
The
money
split
into
two
separate
funds
is
agreed
by
the
council's
executive
board.
The
neighborhood
fund,
which
is
passed
direct
to
local
communities,
receives
around
five
to
twenty
five
percent
of
the
money
and
the
strategic
fund
receives.
Seventy
to
eighty
percent
is
useful.
Large-Scale
infrastructure
developments
in
leeds
does
that
help.
E
E
And
25
it
depends
what
the
totality
is.
The
point
I'm
making
is.
It
doesn't
give
us
a
figure
on
here,
so
we
can't
work
it
out
for
ourselves.
So
I
was
already
awake,
but
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
that
there
are
infrastructure
needs
and
at
least
this
give
us
an
idea
of
how
much
is
going
to
be
available
to
address
those
infrastructure
needs
over
and
above
the
council's
commitment
to
schools.
So
that
was
where
I
was
coming
from,
but
I'm
happy
I'm
happy
to
park.
It.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
so
we're
up
to
councillor
campbell,
if
he's
still
with
us,
no
counselor
hamilton,.
F
No
nothing
for
me
chair.
Thank
you.
G
Stevenson
yeah
thank
you
chair.
Can
I
ask
somebody
to
comment.
I've
got
three
points.
First
comment
is
on
schools.
Can
an
officer
make
a
comment
on
what's
going
to
happen
with
the
extra
school
capacity
need
and
whether
there'll
be
sufficient
still
money
to
to
cover
that.
I
Well,
the
that,
when
the
site
was
allocated
for
the
site
allocations
plan,
they
will
have
looked,
they
will
have
consulted
with
education
authority
and
they
will
have
looked
at
the
capacity
of
schools
along
with
all
the
matters
such
as
the
highways
highway
networks
and
intensity
of
traffic
movements
and
all
those
sorts
of
things.
So
it
has
been
deemed
that
this
site
is
suitable
for
development.
I
G
Yeah,
it
doesn't
quite
go
to
the
point,
but
that's
fine,
I'll
move
on
in
terms
as
a
side
issue.
I
think
the
issue
with
the
drainage
is
outstanding
and
with
without,
without
wanting
to
veer
into
comments
without
an
officer
to
describe
that
the
answer,
I'm
not
sure
whether
I
can
make
an
informed
decision.
G
My
final
question
is
on
the
junction
the
highways
of
the
junction
from
we
talked
a
lot
about
cars,
but
it
is
a
desire
of
the
council
and
the
where
shorts
combined
authority
to
get
people
out
of
the
cars
and
onto
football
cycle.
So
what
about
cycling?
On
the
junction
are
officers
content
that
this
conforms
with
the
cycle
infrastructure,
design,
the
local
transport
notes?
I
think
it's
one
twenties
and
that
and
how
that
will
conform
in
terms
of
cycles
moving
in
and
out
of
that
junction.
C
Yes,
thank
you,
council,
I
mean
it
is
just
really
another
fairly
minor
side.
Road
is,
is
this,
and
as
with
the
other
roads
along
al
quartz,
road
and
and
typically
through
the
city,
the
traffic
flows,
both
in
and
out
of
the
site
and
on
alcoa's
road
and
of
such
a
level
that
really
needs
any
intervention.
G
G
So
at
present
cars
have
the
priority
there.
So
what
are
the
sight
line?
Specifications
in
your
opinion
as
drawn
out
here
sufficient
to
meet
that
policy.
C
The
the
idea-
yes,
the
the
2.4
by
90
that's
provided-
is
perfectly
adequate
for
a
cyclist
to
pull
out
of
that
that
junction,
yeah,
and
also-
and
also
from
from,
if
you
like,
a
cyclist,
cycling
past
the
junction
on
on
altcoats
road,
that
the
sight
lines
for
a
vehicle
wishing
to
pull
out
to
such
that
they've
got
ample
opportunity
to
to
spot
a
cyclist
coming
along
at
old
courts.
Road.
A
We're
doing
it
the
other
way
around
for
the
next
one.
I
hope.
Okay,
we're
on
to
comments
then
panel.
If
anybody
somebody's
interested.
H
In
something
in
terms
of
the
drainage
chair,
just
to
make
it
clear
to
the
members
and
help
council
stevenson,
there
obviously
seems
to
be
a
slight
difference
of
opinion
between
what
we've
had
back
from
both
yorkshire,
water
and
main
drainage
and
and
councillor
carter's
recollection
of
how
it
operates,
because
both
both
the
drainage
bodies
that
we've
consulted
on
the
application
have
actually
raised
no
objections
to
the
application
subject
to
conditions
which
are
listed
at
the
at
the
head
of
the
report
and
when
they,
when
they've
looked
at
it,
they've
clearly
made
the
decision
that
you
know
the
the
drainage
risk
to
the
site
itself
or
off-site
drainage
from
the
site
sufficient
or
low
enough
to
actually
become
considered
by
a
condition
and
further
details
at
the
reserve.
H
H
There
are
some
questions
that
can't
seem
to
be
answered
on
this
site
because
actually
we're
not
considering
the
quantum
of
development
at
all.
Therefore,
it
has
to
be
a
condition
for
further
consideration
at
a
later
date.
We
don't
know
how
many
properties
there
are,
so
we
don't
know
exactly
the
complete
runoff.
Likewise,
we
wouldn't
know
the
the
different
distances
to
other
properties
that
surround
the
site,
where
all
that
would
be
considered
either
by
condition
or
by
the
further
details
that
we
get
a
reserve
matter.
Thank
you,
chair.
I
Okay,
thank
you.
Can
I
just
also
add
as
well
on
that
one
in
the
condition
that
drainage
have
recommended
to
us,
which
obviously
isn't
in
full
on
the
panel
report,
but
it
does
include
an
awful
lot
of
plans
and
and
information
that
they
have
to
submit
in
order
to
to
discharge
that
condition,
but
that
does
include
for
a
plan
that
shows
overland
exceedance
routes
in
the
event
of
a
failure
of
the
drainage
system
or
storm
event
that
is
in
excess
of
the
one
in
100
plus
40
climate
change,
storm
event.
I
A
E
Yes,
just
brief:
oh
I'll,
try
it
well.
I
won't
be
brief
because
I
can't
be
be
figured
I'll.
Try.
The
I
personally
have
grave
concerns
over
this
because
of
the
travel
assessment
isn't
clear
in
here
as
to
what's
happening.
I
am
not
satisfied
that
the
infrastructure,
health
and
school
needs
have
been
addressed.
Clearly
in
the
report,
I
am
concerned
at
the
fact
that
there
have
been
accidents
and
that
the
road
itself
is
quite
dangerous,
particularly
for
cyclists
and
drivers.
Trying
to
make
right
turns
in
and
out
and
by.
E
I
do
feel
we
could
look
for
a
better
contribution
from
the
developer
towards
the
potential
impact
at
the
other
end
in
pudsey,
in
terms
of
highways
works,
I've
got
concerns
that
the
developer
wasn't
very
clear
on
what
plans
they've
got
for
climate
change,
whether
this
is
part
of
this
application.
I
asked
the
question
for
their
commitments.
That's
all
I
wanted
from
them.
I
think
there
are
a
number
of
issues
outstanding
on
the
drainage.
E
There
are
a
number
of
issues
each
clarified
to
make
sure
that
the
boundary
issues
are
clarified.
Now
again,
people
are
going
to
say
we're
only
going
for
outline,
but
I'll
address
that
in
a
minute
we
don't
appear
to
I've,
certainly
not
seen
it.
Neither
is
counselor
carter
and
some
residents
haven't
seen
the
contamination
reports.
So
how
do
we
know
that
this
site
is
okay
to
go
ahead?
Until
we
see
this,
we've
been
told
that
there
were
bad
surveys
promised,
but
we've
not
seen
them.
E
So
how
do
we
know
that
this
isn't
going
to
cause
a
problem
on
the
site?
So,
but
overall
I
do
think
there's
a
lot
more
information
needs
to
be
looked
at.
I
do
think
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
get
the
conditions
right
if
this
isn't
going
to
be
deferred
for
a
further
cycle
so
that
we
can
get
this
clarification.
E
That
is
necessary
here,
because
I
still
think
that
the
chances
if
we
approve
the
outline,
I
would
challenge
anybody
to
tell
me
when
an
outline
has
been
approved
and
then
the
application
does
not
end
up
going
through
in
the
future.
This
is
the
one
chance
we've
got
to
get
it
right
to
see
whether
or
not
development
should
or
shouldn't
go
on
this
site.
E
A
Thank
you
castle,
anderson
and,
and
I
would
say
that,
yes,
as
you
predicted,
it
is
just
outline
planning
today
and
actually
we
have
quite
a
good
track
record.
Haven't
we
of
deferring
things
further
along
the
line
and
actually
getting
some
changes
and
results
through,
so
we're
we're
not
bad
at
that
and
that
that
might
be
one
of
those
cases
here.
Councillor
brooks.
F
Yeah,
I
think
it's
been,
it's
been
a
really
valuable
session.
Quite
a
lot
of
quite
a
lot
of
issues
have
been
raised
and
examined,
and
it's
been
very
very
interesting
to
to
hear
what
what
the
potential
issues
are
and.
F
Yeah,
I'm
in
agreement
with
you
chair
about
this.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
councillor
hamilton.
F
H
F
Details
and
counter
anderson
and
and
as
is
detailed
on
the
documents,
will
be
filled
in
as
we
go
forward.
So
I
do
think
we
can
put
some
stipulations
in,
but
we
are
just
looking
at
an
outline
planning
application
and-
and
we
can
dermy
and,
as
you
said,
a
lot
of
the
detail
as
we
go
forward
with
this.
G
Thank
you
chair.
I
mean
the
one
of
the
problems
I
have
in
many
ways
with
this
is
despite
what
is
becoming
being
talked
about
in
white
papers,
about
the
presumption
of
outline
planning
based
on.
What's
happened
in
the
sap.
That
is
not
currently
the
legislation
today.
So
just
because
something
is
in
the
sap
doesn't
mean
that
we
have
to
automatically
grant
outline
planning.
G
There
has
to
be
a
number
of
specifications
that
are
met
that
are
actually
included
in
the
site,
specification
plans
through
the
site
allocation
plan
process,
and
I
think
it's
right
that
we
do
drill
down
on
some
of
those
at
this
stage
to
make
sure
that
we
do
get
it
right
and
contrary
to
mr
butler's
earlier
comment,
I
don't
mind
how
many
conditions
are
attached.
I
think
that's
the
job
of
the
plans
panel
to
make
sure
that
we
get
a
proper
outcome
at
this
stage.
I
am
concerned
about
the
drainage
element.
G
I
don't
think
it's
been
answered
fully
because
we
haven't
had
a
chance
to
actually
question
and
query
that
in
detail.
All
we've
had
is
to
be
able
to
read
the
reports.
I
think
it
would
have
been
better
if
had
we
had
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
do
that,
and
likewise
on
schools.
G
Just
because
this
is
allocation
plan
has
approved
this
and
in
the
broader
scheme
there
has
been
an
opportunity
for
the
education
team
to
comment
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
the
site-specific
requirements
of
this
specific
site
have
been
met
by
this
outline
application.
G
So
I
think,
in
summary,
chair,
I
think
there'd
probably
be
some
more
detail,
could
have
been
provided
to
us
to
help
us
along
on
the
way
of
seeing
if
this
is
a
an
outline
planning
application
is
worthy
of
support.
Today,.
A
Thank
you
councillor,
stevenson,
and
I
would
actually
also
emphasize
that
we
had
renewed
and
refreshed
our
relationship
with
education
in
terms
of
their
contributions
to
plans
reports,
and
we
had
got
quite
an
in-depth
and
systematic
response
when
they
were
consulted
on
on
planning
reports.
You've
just
reminded
me
that
we
might
need
to
revisit
that
because
it
we
we
were,
reproaching
it
in
a
very
thorough
way
and
it
is
very
important
information
and
it
also
means
we
don't
have
to
count
up
children's
places
when
we're
in
the
plans
panel.
B
A
Thank
you.
Does
any
other
officer
wish
to
clarify
anything
at
this
point?
We
we've
given
it
a
very
good
discussion,
but
highways
do
you
want
to
come
in
andy
or
do
you
feel
you've
said
everything
you're
going
to
say.
H
Steve,
obviously,
not
legal,
I
was
just
wearing
why
our
drainage
officer
wasn't
here
and
he's
actually
come
back
from
his
appointment.
If
that
question
that
counselor
stevenson
raised,
he
wants
to
put
it
directly
to
him,
because
I
wouldn't
like
this
application
and
do
it
to
be
hung
up
on
on
something
that
would
normally
become
covered
by
condition
anyway.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
drawing
our
attention
to
that.
Could
you
remind
me
of
the
name
of
the
drainage
officer,
police,
thomas
beavis,
thomas,
thank
you.
So
if
you
would
like
to
council
stevenson,
ask
your
question
directly
again
on
drainage.
I'd
be
grateful.
A
G
E
Well,
there
was
two
parts
to
it.
One
was
why
we've
gone
for
one
and
a
hundred
plus
forty,
instead
of
one
in
two
hundred
and
also
on
particles,
need
to
find
a
bit
that
counts
to
cut
yes
in
paragraph
10.3.2,
cancer
carter
raised
drainage
concerns
and
made,
and
you
know
just
to
answer
that
particular
point.
What
was
behind
the
clarification
on
the
debate
between
councillor
carter
and
maine's
drainage
and
where
it
was
going
to
the
water
was
going
to
end
up
going
into
and
also
the
effect
on.
A
A
Well,
he's
obviously
not
because
he's
not
coming
back.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Sorry
about
that.
Barry
good,
try,
okay,
so
we
were
just
summing
up
and
anything
anything
anything
from
legal.
Please
before
we
complete
this
item.
No,
no,
no
feather
points
from
me,
chair!
Okay!
So
can
I
just
ask
steve
to
to
sum
up
as
far
as
the
debate's
gone,
please.
H
Thomas's
response
to
the
questions
from
council
answers.
I
do
apologize
to
council
stevenson,
I
mean
this
site
has
been
described
where
the
members
sometimes
accept
it,
not
as
the
best
and
most
sustainable
in
leeds.
It
is
a
sap
allocated
site
application
is
seeking
approval
of
the
principal
and
access
only
so
some
of
the
issues
were
debated
to
a
degree
today.
H
You
know
they
are
actually
either
covered,
specifically
by
conditions
will
be
part
of
the
detailed
reserve
matters
submission
in
terms
of
plans
I'll
be
added
as
informative
to
remind
officers
that
may
be
dealing
with
the
application
when
it
comes
to
the
reserve
matter
later
date.
Therefore,
what's
before
members
is
actually
a
recommendation
to
approve
the
application
subject
to
the
conditions
and
the
106,
but
specifically
for
the
principle
of
development
and
just
the
the
access
arrangement.
A
Thank
you.
I
would
just
like
to
say
before
we
conclude
that
I
take
everything
that
council
carter
has
said
and
all
of
his
concerns
about
this
application
extremely
seriously,
as
I
would
any
concerns
expressed
by
a
ward
councillor
on
a
planning
application,
and
I
have
on
many
occasions
the
frustration
that
he's
clearly
going
through
now
in
relation
to
local
plans
in
my
own
ward,
as
have
my
ward
colleagues,
so
I
fully
understand
why
we're
here
today
having
this
debate.
H
A
H
Well,
we
can
take
the
we
can
hear
what
the
amendment
is.
It's
specific,
but
if
we've
already
had
a
proposal
we
then
need
a
second,
I'm
not
sure
of
the
order
that
happened
there.
A
E
Just
proposing
that
we
defer
this
for
one
cycle
to
get
information
on
drainage
and
on
schools
and
on
local
infrastructure.
We
need
that
clarification
before
we
can
definitely
approve
this
application.
Yes,
it's
a
sap
site,
not
disputing
that.
I
just
want
it
deferred
for
one
cycle
so
that
we
can
get
information
from
education
about
the
school
demand
within
the
area
and
whether
or
not
the
infrastructure
information
can
be
given
to
us
in
greater
detail
and
clearly
set
out
what
the
impact
is
going
to
be
on
the
local
community.
A
A
F
A
A
Thank
you
very
much
so
that
is
clearly
carried
and
approved.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
I
would
like
to
suggest
now
that
we
have
a
five
minute
comfort
break
please.
So
if
you
would
like
to
stretch
your
legs
for
five
minutes,
we'll
come
back
at
a
quarter
past
three.
Could
I
ask
you
to
mute
your
microphone
and
turn
your
camera
off
during
that
five
minutes?
Please
thank.
A
J
D
A
Can
you
take
it
down
or
will
it
just
stay
there?
That's
it!
Okay,
if
everybody's
back,
can
I
welcome
everybody
back
and
move
us
on
to
the
next
agenda
item,
which
is
item
nine?
Sixty
eight
billing
book
drive
the
children's
home
application
and
so
victoria.
I
think
you're
on
again.
I
Hi
I'm
chair,
thank
you.
I
I
do
apologize
if
I'm
not
pronouncing
the
name
of
the
road
right,
but
I
pronounce
it
as
billing
bow,
but
I'm
quite
happy
to
change.
If
that's
not
correct,.
I
She's
billing
boxes:
yes,
okay,
okay,
so
this
is
an
application
for
a
change
of
use
from
a
c3
dwelling
house
to
a
c2
residential
institution.
It's
a
small
children's
home.
I
Next
slide,
please
so
the
property
in
question.
That's
the
subject
of
the
change
of
use
is
a
two-story
detached
house
with
a
private
drive
access
off,
billingbork
drive.
The
property
has
been
previously
extended
to
the
side,
as
you
can
just
see
in
that
photograph
there
over
the
garage
to
create
additional
accommodation.
I
I
I
That's
been
added
in,
so
it
won't
be
in
the
the
presentation
pack
that
members
received-
and
this
is
just
an
aerial
shot-
that's
been
taken
from
google
maps,
so
this
is
just
to
demonstrate
how
the
property
sits
within
its
plot
itself,
and
you
can
see
it
there
with
the
red
dot
on
68
billion
drive,
the
property
achieves
a
12
meter
distance
from
its
side,
elevation
to
the
western
property,
eight
meters
of
which
is
its
own
side
garden.
I
I
think
I
said
at
the
start,
but
if
I
didn't
it
is
for
children
who
are
aged
between
8
and
18
years,
so
some
will
be
preparing
to
move
out
into
their
own
properties
and
needing
to
learn
how
to
do
that.
A
further
staff
bedroom
is
also
provided.
I
Now,
the
council's
children's
services
department
have
objected
to
this
proposal
on
the
grounds
that
there
are
enough
homes
in
the
local
area
already
now.
This
is
not
a
situation
to
planning's
mind
of
cumulative
impact
and
planning
has
no
remit
in
dictating
the
market
location
of
private
facilities
such
as
this,
unless
there
is
clearly
substantiated
harm
to
residential
immunity.
I
Other
objections
have
been
raised
around
issues
to
do
with
the
safety
of
the
children
who
will
be
homed
on
this
site.
Now.
This
is
a
matter
for
the
care
providers
who
are
required
to
risk,
assess
both
the
home
and
residents
and
for
ofsted
who
are
responsible
for
evaluating
the
home
providers
and,
if
necessarily
the
police
as
well.
I
Other
objections
have
been
made
regarding
noise
and
disturbance.
However,
given
the
small
scale,
nature
of
this
property,
its
detached
status
and
the
adequate
distance
and
separation
from
other
properties,
there
is
no
reason
to
suspect
that
it
would
cause
any
more
disturbance
than
a
large
family
home.
I
A
Very
much
victoria-
and
we
do
have
a
speaker
now,
mr
daniel
lofthouse,
if
you're
with
us.
L
Thank
you.
I've
been
a
resident
here
for
13
years
now
and
we
all
are
a
close-knit
community,
but
initially
this
application
was
trying
to
be
pushed
under
the
radar
and
and
on
the
first
application.
The
only
time
we
knew
about
is
word
of
mouth.
L
Furthermore,
the
house
is
to
the
north,
then
four
blocks
of
townhouses
they've
never
been
made
aware
and
still
are
not
made
aware.
The
only
person
that's
made
them
aware
is
myself.
The
people
opposite
in
these
bungalows
are
elderly.
L
L
You
know
I
could
go
across
all
the
comments
that
we've
done
backwards
and
forwards,
but
what
we
feel
is
the
antisocial
behavior
aspect
of
it.
The
noise
increase
the
possible
crime
implications
and
I'm
not
I'm
not
saying
in
any
shape
or
form
that
there's
going
to
be
anything
from
that,
but
there
is
a
possibility.
I
do
apologize
for
the
noise,
but
I
am
at
work
it
does.
L
It
does
state
that
it's
8
to
18
years
old
and
we
have
all
done
our
research
on
the
street
and
we
know
that
that's
not
going
to
be
the
case.
This
house
is
designed
to
house
people
of
an
age
that
can't
live
on
their
own
or
are
going
to
so
it's
going
to
be
from
the
age
of
14
15
upwards,
not
eight
and
I'll.
L
Just
read
out
some
comments
that
I've
had
from
the
the
residents
around,
which
is
a
lot
of
them,
have
been
stressing
about
this,
going
ahead,
loss
of
sleep,
the
possibility
of
not
being
able
to
sell
their
properties
because,
legally
now,
if
you
were
to
put
your
house
on
the
market
in
that
area,
if
anybody
asked
a
question
you
were
obliged
to
tell
them
and
if
they
were
obliged
to
tell
somebody
they
live
close
to
a
children's
home.
It's
going
to
have
a
negative
impact
on
their
cost.
L
L
You
know
if
somebody
comes
to
to
buy
their
property
and
and
think
no,
I
don't
want
to
live
near
a
children's
home
they're
going
to
have
to
reduce
their
the
value
of
their
property.
It's
going
to
have
a
negative
impact
on
them,
and
we
we
all
feel
that
if
this
there
is
better
suited
places
for
a
children's
home,
this
children's
home
would
never
be
put
in
a
place
like
old
woodley
because
they
carry
more
clout
than
we
do.
L
It's
been
put
in
an
area
because
you
know
well
just
to
finalize.
I
just
think
that
if,
if
this
is
pushed
through,
we
we
we
all
feel
that
the
council
has
failed
the
local
residence,
especially
when
it
comes
to
not
letting
all
the
local
residents
know,
and
we
can't
trust
a
company
that
has
clearly
stated
that
they
said
they
sent
letters
to
all
the
residents.
When
that's
certainly
not
true.
A
Thank
you
very
much
daniel
and
for
staying
within
your
speaking
time
as
well.
Thank
you.
We
I'm
now
going
to
invite
members
of
the
panel
to
ask
you
any
questions
on
the
basis
of
what
you've
just
said
so
councillor
ray.
Do
you
have
a
question
for
daniel.
F
E
A
Okay,
so
thank
you
very
much
indeed
for
that
and
we
now
have
sam
deacon,
the
applicant's
agent
sam.
Are
you
with
us
this
afternoon.
A
Oh
that's
good
and
we
can
hear
you
loud
and
clearly
so
you'd
like
to
speak
in
support
of
the
application
and
of
course
you
also
have
up
to
four
minutes
to
do
that.
So,
if
you'd
like
to
start
whenever
you're
ready.
M
M
The
cambium
group
have
provided
specialist
residential
care
for
children
for
more
than
15
years.
The
purpose
of
this
small
specialist
care
home,
proposed
at
billingboard
drive,
is
to
create
a
safe,
nurturing
environment
akin
to
a
family
home.
This
home
provides
the
perfect
environment
to
support
these
children.
M
M
My
client
has
gone
through
the
necessary
risk
assessment
and
safeguarding
protocols
expected
of
the
regulators
ofsted
and
are
satisfied
that
billing
board
drive
is
an
appropriate
location
and
home
to
relocate
these
children
currently
living
at
the
existing
home
in
wurtley.
The
house
is
detached.
It
benefits
from
substantial
bordering
and
gardens.
It
has
fencing
and
shrubbery
outline
its
boundary,
providing
the
children
with
a
high
level
of
privacy
enhancing
their
feeling
of
being
safe
from
the
outside
world.
M
The
property
also
benefits
from
ample
off-street
parking
with
sufficient
space
for
the
carers
to
park
their
car.
The
risk
assessment
process
also
considers
the
proximity
of
other
children
homes
in
the
area.
Those
identified
offer
a
completely
different
type
of
care
to
that
proposed
at
blinkport
drive
each
responding
to
the
acute
and
varied
needs
of
so
many
vulnerable
children
in
our
communities.
M
If
this
application
isn't
approved,
my
client
will
have
to
work
with
the
council's
children's
services
team
to
find
temporary
accommodation
for
these
children.
The
impact
of
this
would
be
threefold.
The
children
will
have
a
break
in
their
care
and
the
prospect
of
another
move
will
be
unsettling
for
the
children
who
have
experienced
significant
adverse
childhood
trauma.
M
Secondly,
this
will
put
pressure
on
the
council's
resources,
as
the
children
will
return
to
the
care
of
the
council's
children
services
team
and,
finally,
the
staff
who
currently
work
in
the
existing
home
will
lose
their
jobs.
The
officer
report
also
makes
reference
to
some
local
objections.
Two
of
these
are
from
residents
who
live
on.
Summerdale's
close,
it's
unclear
how
these
people
will
be
affected
by
the
proposal.
M
M
It
is
a
requirement
of
the
regulator
for
my
client
to
forge
a
good
working
relationship
with
local
police.
This
relationship
protects
the
children
and
the
safe
operation
of
the
home.
It
is
not
within
the
remit
of
the
planning
system
to
manage
the
operational
running
of
care
homes.
This
is
covered
by
other
legislation
and
the
regulator
ofsted.
M
The
report,
prepared
by
your
professional
planning
officer,
confirms
that
the
proposal
is
fully
compliant
with
local
policy
is
acceptable
in
highway
terms
and
will
not
result
in
undue
immunity
impacts
on
neighbours.
I
there
or
respectfully
request
that
you
support
your
officer's
recommendation
and
approve
this
application
so
that
the
children
can
be
relocated
to
billing
port
drive
and
their
care
com
can
continue.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
Thank
you
very
much
as
well,
and
I'm
going
to
invite
questions.
But
first
I
do
have
one
myself
you'll
you'll
note
from
the
office's
report
that
leed
city
council
children's
services
don't
entirely
align
with
your
views
in
terms
of
the
desirability
of
a
home
in
that
area
and
they're,
arguing
that,
due
to
proximity
of
leeds
city,
council,
children's
homes
and
current
existing
private
provision,
supporting
children
with
similar
needs
within
the
immediate
communities
of
ls-13
leeds
children's
services
would
not
support
establishing
further
children's
home
at
this
location.
M
Yeah,
I
have
a
have
a
response
to
that
as
part
of
the
risk
assessment
that
my
clients
had
to
undertake.
As
I
said
in
my
presentation,
they
had
to
identify
nearby
homes.
The
two
nearest
homes
are
sent
catherine's
children's
home,
which
is
located
0.5
metre.
Sorry,
half
a
mile
away
from
from
this
property.
It
is
a
secure
provision,
so
there
the
children
do
not
have
access
to
the
community
based
on
the
con
based
on
the
the
individual
needs
of
those
children,
so
a
different
care
facility
entirely.
M
The
next
nearest
is
rainbow
house,
which
is
one
mile
away.
This
is
a
registered
children's
home.
However,
the
service
here
provides
short
break
respite
service
for
children
with
physical
disabilities,
again
not
a
comparable
service
offered.
Here.
I
think
my
final
point
that
I
would
make,
if
I
may
share,
is
that
this
is
a
replacement
home,
not
an
additional
home.
The
existing
home
that
these
children
currently
reside
in
is
in
wordly
the
lease
on
that
property
is
due
to
expire
next
month.
M
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much,
and
so
we're
going
the
other
way
around
councillor
ray.
Do
you
have
any
questions?
G
I
do
chair
and
if
I
may,
although
it's
not
a
planning
issue,
can
I
just
say
as
a
shadow
exec
member
for
children
on
the
council
education?
I
just
thank
the
applicant
for
giving
such
a
robust
response
there
to
some
of
the
false
fears
and
stereotypes
that
sadly
exist
in
there
in
society.
Still
today,
my
question
related.
My
internet
broke
up
broadly
there,
where
you
mentioned
the
need
for
moving
from
work.
G
I
think
I
heard
you
say
that
you're
renting
in
workly,
so
are
you
purchasing
this
property
here
is
that
is
that
the
route
and
the
reason
for
that
for
the
move?
My
other
question
was
why
it's
a
six
bedroom
property.
So
why
are
we
limiting
to
three
children?
Is
that
a
capacity
issue
for
you
in
terms
of
the
required
space
for
those
children
inside
the
house,
or
could
it
be
possible
to
actually
increase
the
number
of
children
benefiting
from
a
center
like
this.
M
Yeah,
I
can,
I
can
respond
to
both
simple
answer
to
the
first
question
is
yes,
the
intention
subject
to
planning
is
to
purchase
this
property.
The
existing
property
is
there
is
a
lease
arrangement
in
place
so
answer
your
first
question
upon
planning.
They
would
be
purchasing
this
property.
M
Second
question:
yes,
this
property
as
it
currently
stands,
provides
more
bedrooms
than
is
required.
Three
bedrooms
will
be
provided
for
the
children.
Two
bedrooms
will
be
provided
for
the
staff
that
sleep
over
on
the
evening,
so
that
that
fills
five
bedrooms.
The
additional
room
would
be
used
as
ancillary
storage.
M
A
Thank
you
is
that
okay,
council
stevenson
can
we
move
on
yes,
perfect?
Thank
you,
councillor
reagan.
Do
you
have
a
question?
I.
K
No
question
chair,
but
I
just
wanted
to
know,
was
anybody
here
from
children's
services.
You
know
with
regards
to
them.
Putting
in
the
objection
it's
a
good.
K
Especially
at
this
moment
in
time,
you
know
with
regards
to
budget
etc,.
A
A
Call
him
chair,
okay,
well,
we'll
carry
on
with
the
questions
council
hamilton
and
then,
when
joel
comes
back,
you
might
want
to
ask
him
a
question.
Councillor
brooks.
E
Yes,
just
one
chair
just:
can
you
clarify
the
point
that
the
resident
made
about
the
lack
of
public
consultation?
I
note
that
the
planning
application
was
validated
on
the
16th
of
march
around
about
when
lockdown
was
beginning
to
and
covered
was
beginning
to
take
effect.
But
you
must
have
made
your
mind
up
beforehand.
Can
you
explain
what
your
consultation
has
been
and
if
it
hasn't
been
trying
to
explain
to
residents
that
they've
got
the
wrong?
You
know
that
they've
got
a
false
view
of
the
types
of
people
that
will
be
going
in
there.
M
Yes,
of
course,
councillor
anderson.
I
just
must
point
out
that
when
we
submitted
this
prior
to
submitting
this
application,
we
sent
letters.
This
was
a
letter
sent
on
behalf
of
our
client
to
the
immediate
neighbors,
so
neighbors
that
domestic
boundaries
border
this
property.
M
A
Thank
you
so
we'll
move
on
to
questions
to
offices,
please
counselor
ray
no
councillor
stevenson.
G
Yes,
please
one
on
on
a.
I
think
it
would
be
highways,
I'm
thinking
about
the
proficiency
of
parking.
So
it
could.
We
have
a
comment
on
whether
there
there
is
deemed
to
be
sufficient
parking
at
that
site
for
for
what's
required,
and
if
we
have
an
education
officer
there.
Now
I'd
like
to
ask
a
question
to
them.
First,
but
I'll
go
with
the
highways
first
chair.
C
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
we
can.
Thank
you
good
yeah.
Well,
this
is
the
useful
image
that's
on
screen
at
the
moment,
because
you
can
clearly
see
there's
two
cars
parked
on
the
side,
but
but
also
to
the
to
the
left
in
front
of
the
house.
There's
a
an
area
there,
where
there's
two
sort
of
paler
patches
on
the
tarmac
where
two
further
cars
come
pack,
so
you
can
get
four
cars
packed
and
able
to
maneuver
independently
on
the
site.
C
Now
we've
heard
that
there'll
be
a
maximum
number
of
three
staff,
so
even
with
the
three
staff,
it
does
give
a
an
extra
space,
for
you
know
any
visitors,
whether
it's
a
health
care
visitor
or
a
tradesman
or
a
family
member
visiting
and
then
actually
a
quite
a
spacious
drive
for
a
very
short
ad
hoc
visit.
So,
yes,
we
we're
confident
that
there
should
be
no
reason
to
expect
any
overspill
parking
out
onto
onto
the
street
from
this
proposal.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
I
will
proceed
and
come
back
to
it
at
the
end.
Right
can
I
come
back
to
that
then.
F
F
No,
not
for
me.
I
think.
K
No
question
chair,
it
does
check.
Can
I
just
say
it
doesn't
matter
if
children's
services
can't
come
in,
but
I
just
want
you
to
know.
You
know
their,
why
you
know,
because
I've
just
heard
that
the
other
children
homes
are
completely
different.
Yes,
you
know
so
anyway.
Do
it
in
comments
fair.
A
Point
councillor
brooks
no
questions
chair
councillor,
anderson.
A
Okay,
well,
we
might
find
one
arrives
during
the
comments.
If
we're
making
having
a
debate
councillor
we're
on
to
comments
now,
do
you
have
any
comments
you'd
like
to
make
you.
G
Yeah,
I
couldn't
put
that
any
better
myself
counselor.
I
endorse
that
comment.
I'm
fully
supportive
of
this
application
chair.
The
only
slight
amendment,
I
would
think
think
is.
As
I
say,
I
don't
really
see
this
as
a
planning
matter,
but
the
whole
application
really
in
that
respect,
was
on
the
the
change
of
use.
G
I
don't
see
any
of
the
other
concerns
that
have
been
brought
to
us
for
consideration
being
applying
matter,
but
I
just
wonder
we
mentioned
a
set
condition
attached
to
limit
the
number
for
three
and
I'm
actually
wondering
whether
that's
required,
I
think
in
terms
of
hostile
inspections
and
all
the
other
regulations
around
children's
homes,
that,
in
terms
of
sufficient
space
for
the
children's
needs,
that
is
dealt
with
by
other
regulations
and
I'm
not
actually
sure
whether
we
need
to
enforce
that
planning
regulation
to
restrict
it
at
three.
G
I
think
it
would
be
very
unreasonable
to
impose
that
and
have
a
situation
at
some
point
in
the
future,
where
the
needs
of
that
building
might
change
and
we
might
have
to
have
four
children
there
and
they
then
have
to
come
back
and
vary.
It
first,
and
I
think
you
know
the
capacity
itself
limits
the
provision
there
and
I
just
think
it's
perhaps
unnecessary
for
us
to
impose
that
that
condition.
My
comment
chair.
A
Thank
you,
councillor
hasselwood.
F
A
Okay,
councillor
hamilton
I'll
come
back
to
you
if,
as
and
when
we
get
an
education
officer
here,
councillor
brooks.
A
F
I
think
it's
an
excellent
proposal.
I
think
we
we
need
more
of
these
facilities
for
our
young
people
in
the
city
and
I
think
we
we
don't
need
to
segregate,
and
we
need
to
welcome
these
young
people
into
our
communities
and
I'm
I'm
delighted
to
to
accept
this
proposal.
A
Thank
you
now,
it's
councillor
brooks.
A
H
Chair
I've
just
been
sending
some
emails
out
to
some
im's,
rather
because,
from
my
perspective,
it
is
a
little
bit
embarrassing
when
we're
not
accessing
people.
We
do
appear
to
have
someone
on
online,
but
I
don't
know
whether
they
can
actually
answer
the
question.
So
I'm
flying
reluctant
to
offer
him
up,
but
we
can
ask
the
question:
we
have
joel
hannah.
Oh
I'm
not
sure,
if
he's
actually
on
the
I'm,
just
I'm
just
checking
again
chair
because
it
is,
it
is
ridiculous.
I
do
apologize
for
it
just
bear
with
me
one
second.
F
A
F
My
comment
was,
I
just
wondered
if
we
had
anyone
from
children's
coming
in,
because
I
did
just
want
to
comment
that
we've
heard
that
there
is
a
a
children's
home,
half
a
mile
away,
which
is
saint
catherine's,
which
is
in
our
ward
in
bramley,
as
this
is
just
over.
The
border
into
armley,
ward
and
and
saint
catherine's
is
an
award
in
bromley,
and
I
have
to
say
both
myself
and
the
chair
have
visited
st
catharines.
F
We
we've
spoken
to
the
the
children
there
we've
spoken
to
the
staff
there,
it's
a
great
facility
and
there's
absolutely
no
evidence
at
all
in
our
award
that
either
that
children's
home
has
caused
any
issues
whatsoever,
asp
or
any
of
the
issues
that
were
referred
to
in
in
the
speaker's
presentation
at
the
beginning.
Not
not
the
officer,
the
the
the
the
person
speaking
in
objection
to
this.
F
Absolutely
no,
no
evidence
of
any
of
that
kind
of
behavior,
and
that's
only
you
know
that
I'll
say
that's
over
just
over
the
border
now
and
half
a
mile
away
and
it's
a
great
facility.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
comment
that
you
know
that
it
we've
had
absolutely
no
issues
with
that
children's
home
and
I
do
dispute
those
those
facts
that
have
been
put
forward.
K
Can
I
make
my
comment
then,
before
you
go
on,
please
do
the
officer
is
unable
to
attend.
My
comment
was
obviously
I
fully
support
this
application
and
I'm
sick
to
death
and
fed
up
of
people
always
perceiving
anti-social
behavior
as
if
they're
monsters,
these
are
children.
We're
talking
about.
You
know
next
door
to
me.
K
They
have
five
children
and
I'm
here
now
on
this
zoo
meeting
and
it's
raining
chucking
it
down
and
I
haven't
heard
a
sound
from
any
of
them
the
other
occasion
when
they're
arguing,
yes
like
we
all
do
you
know
it's
not
really
very
nice
to
hear
what
people
saying
with
regards
when
it
comes
on
to
children
and
three
children
moving
into
to
our
houses,
just
look
at
his
as
a
family
and
I'm
really
shocked
and
surprised
at
children's
services.
K
Actually,
when
we're
desperate
for
to
look
after
our
children,
you
know
and
with
regards
to
the
way
things
are
with
the
budget
at
this
moment
in
time.
You
know
I'm
really
really
surprised
at
them
that
that's
why
I
just
wanted
to
hear
their
view,
never
mind
that
having
one
home
already
half
a
mile
up
the
road
and
another
further
down
the
road
to
me,
that's
not
an
excuse.
You
know
these
are
children
that
we
need
to
care
for
no
matter
what
the
situation
is
with
them.
K
You
know
if
the
disabled
unruly
leaving
prison
or
whatever
we
need
to
look
after
people,
and
these
are
gonna
be
well
looked
after
with
two
staff
living
in
I'm
really
shocked
at
that.
But
that's
all
I
just
was
a
bit
annoyed
when
I
read
it
with
regards
to
the
children's
services.
That's
all,
but
it
doesn't
matter
whether
they're,
here
or
not,.
E
E
I
would
think
that
their
role
should
be
to
try
and
explain
to
people
that
that's
not
the
case
rather
than
what
they
appear
to
have
said
in
here
and
that's
what
I
wanted
to
query
was
whether
or
not
they
would
take
any
action
to
try
and
reassure
local
residents.
But
I
totally
support
this
proposal
and
I'm
quite
happy
to
suggest
that
we
move
forward
with
the
motion
and
improve
the
the
emotion.
A
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much
before
we
do
that,
though
I
I'd
just
like
to
qualify
that,
because
I
am
on
the
corporate
parenting
committee,
as
I
think
councillor
councillor
stevenson
also
is,
and
I
can
honestly
say
that
I
believe
our
children's
services
stand
up
for
children
and
whatever
entry
they've
put
into
this
report
will
be
I'm
sure,
based
on
technical
statistics
and
I'm
sure
it
will
not
be
about
having
any
concern
whatsoever
that
children
would
not
have
a
place
in
a
community.
A
I
just
feel
I
need
to
say
that,
because
I'm
on
a
committee
that
stands
up
for
children-
and
I
I
see
our
children's
offices
standing
with
them,
so
I
I
just
wanted
to
qualify
that
I
want
you
to.
I
Jump
in
very
quickly,
I
might
just
have
a
little
bit
more
information.
To
add
to
that.
Thank
you
from
what
I
know.
It's
not
a
question
of
it's
not
simply
the
fact
that
they
consider
there
to
be
too
many.
I
think
it's
because
they
would
like
a
more
a
more
even
spread
across
the
district
as
a
whole,
rather
than
having
a
concentration
in
one
particular
ward
or
area
joel's
just
managed
to
provide
some
information
for
us
and
apparently,
in
this
particular
location.
I
I
just
also
wanted
to
ask
a
quick
question
about
the
the
conditions
one
of
the
members
raised
concerned
that
we
didn't
necessarily
need
a
restriction
on
the
number
of
residents
we've
restricted,
both
the
number
of
staff
and
the
number
of
residents
sort
of
based,
largely
on
trying
to
keep
the
overall
population
of
the
house
to
a
a
minimum,
really
trying
to
keep
it
as
similar
as
possible
to
a
large
family
home
and
we're
not
wedded
to
those
conditions.
I
I
don't
think
particularly
highways
reason
to
to
have
that
condition
on,
especially
for
the
staff
numbers,
because
the
wood,
I
think
that
the
accommodation
itself
will
curtail
the
number
of
staff
that
can
fit
in
anyway.
So
if
councillors
want
us
to
remove
them,
I'd
welcome
the
the
advice
on
that.
G
Well,
can
I
check
because
I
was
going
to
suggest
an
amendment
on
that
that
we
remove
conditions
three
and
four
so
before
we
get
to
the
motions
can
I
can
I
table
that
amendment
to
refuse
remove
condition
three
and
four.
A
Can
I
ask
the.
A
Of
okay,
so
I've
got
a
a
proposer
and
a
seconder.
So
we'll
go
down
the
list
and
and
we'll
vote
on
that
amendment.
First,
okay,
councillor
ray
councillor
stevenson,
I
agree.
Councillor
reagan,
agree:
councillor,
hesselwood,
agree,
councillor
hamilton
agree,
councillor
finnegan,
oh
it's
not
here.
Is
it
councillor
brooks
in
favor
and
councillor
anderson.
E
H
The
propose
to
as
well
chair
about
this
condition,
because
it's
raining
so
heavily
here
with
the
valances
I'm
struggling
to
hear
some
of.
What's
being
said,
I've
turned
it
really
loud,
but
I
just
I'd
like
to
hear
what
that
condition
actually
is
going
to
be
changed,
because
I
may
have
a
comment.
That's
that's.
Why?
Please?
We.
H
Can
I
just
chip
in
because
obviously
the
building
at
present
is
more
than
big
enough
for
the
three
children,
because
it
has
the
five
bedrooms
that
will
be
in
use
with
the
carriers
that
are
there
plus
it'll
leave
one
for
for
the
storage,
but
the
condition
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
they
can't
come
back
at
a
later
date
and
then
apply
to
have
that
condition
either
removed
or
vade.
H
If
there
should
be
a
need,
I'm
just
thinking
in
terms
of
offering
comfort
to
to
the
residents
that
have
come
along
today
that
are
concerned
about
the
premises
that
we
just
remember
retain
that
element
of
control,
because
it
doesn't
preclude
the
operator
for
coming
back
at
a
later
date,
rather
than
just
removing
it
completely.
In
which
case
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
control
that
at
all.
A
A
There
is
reference
in
the
report
to
two
children's
homes
in
bramley,
which
panel
refused
and
which,
which
the
inspector
then
approved,
and
I
just
want
to
be
absolutely
clear
with
people
that
the
reason
the
ward
councillors,
including
myself,
asked
for
those
houses
to
come
to
panel
is
not
because
we
did
not
welcome
those
children
in
the
community.
It
was
because
we
believed,
and
we
still
believe,
that
the
house,
the
buildings
of
the
houses
themselves,
were
unsuitable
for
that
use.
A
They
were
back
to
backs
very,
very,
very
small,
straight
out
onto
the
street
with
absolutely
no
boundary
and
no
garden,
and
it
was
for
that
reason.
We
felt
they
were
unsuitable
for
children's
homes.
It
was
not
to
do
with
any
reason
of
not
wishing
to
have
those
children
living
in
our
community
and,
as
my
colleague
councillor
hesselwood
has
just
said,
we
do
have
two
children's
homes
in
bramley.
We
visit
them
regularly
and
they
cause
the
neighbors
absolutely
no
problem.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that.
A
So
can
I
have
a
proposal
now,
please
for
the
for
the
recommendation.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
So
we'll
go
down
the
list
and
if
you
could
indicate
which
way
you're
voting
please
counselor.
A
G
Delighted
at
my
political
union
here
and
delighted
to
approve
chair.
F
Councillors,
I
agree
with
the
proposal,
but
I
it's
going
to
be
the
first
and
last
time.
E
A
A
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Do
any
more
officers
or
legal
or
highways
wish
to
make
any
final
comments.