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B
Understand
good
afternoon
everyone
and
welcome
to
this
remote
meeting
of
the
south
and
west
plans
panel.
My
name
is
councillor
caroline
gruen
and
I'll
be
chairing
today's
meeting
south
and
west
plans
panel
deals
with
the
applications
from
the
south
north
west
and
west
of
the
city,
and
the
aim
of
the
panel
is
to
hear
all
the
relevant
information
from
applicants.
B
Members
of
the
public
and
council
officers
to
help
members
of
the
panel
make
their
decision.
I'd
like
to
start
the
meeting
today
by
confirming
that
this
meeting
of
the
south
and
west
plans
panel
meets
the
requirements
of
the
council's
constitution.
Even
though
members
of
the
panel
are
in
remote
attendance,
while
items
today
will
be
fully
discussed
as
usual.
Remote
attendance
requires
a
few
slight
changes
as
to
how
I'll
manage
the
debate.
B
B
So
I
ask
for
your
assistance
and
patience
while
I
go
through
this
process
in
order
to
avoid
any
disruption
to
the
meeting,
should
I
lose
internet
connectivity,
I
propose
we
appoint
a
vice
chair
who
could
step
in
during
my
absence,
and
I
would
like
to
move
councillor
hesselwood
and
invite
another
member
to
second
that
motion.
Please.
B
Thank
you
very
much,
so
I
will
take
silence
as.
B
C
B
B
E
Council
paul
ray
from
huntleton
roadside
ward.
Thank
you.
A
Not
yet
chair,
one
of
my
colleagues
is
just
trying
to
get
hold
of
her.
B
Thank
you
so
I'll
now
introduce
the
officers.
I
hope
it
will
be
all
right
with
you
if
I
use
first
names
just
to
help
us
through
this
steve.
K
Good
afternoon
ahmed
hunid
senior
highways
development
control
engineer.
L
B
Thank
you,
lisa.
M
A
Andy
yeah,
thank
you
chair,
so
under
agenda
item
number
one.
There
are
no
appeals
against
a
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents
under
item
number.
Two.
There
are
no
items
which
require
the
exclusion
of
the
present
public
agenda
item
number
three:
there
are
no
alert
items
of
business
agenda.
Item
number
four
could
ask
members
if
there
are
any
disclosable
pecuniary
interests
to
declare
and
I'll
take
that
silence
as
a
no
and
under
a
gender
item
number
five.
There
are
no
apologies
chair.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
So
item
number
six
is
minutes
of
the
previous
meeting
held
on
the
4th
of
march.
Do
members
accept
these
minutes
as
a
correct
and
accurate
record?
Please
I
will
take
a
few
seconds,
but
I
will
assume
that
you
believe
they
are
correct
and
less
indicated
otherwise.
B
Yes,
I'm
going
that's
the
next
thing,
I'm
going
to
ask
if
anybody
has
any
matters
arising.
So
if
you
have
matters
arising,
please
indicate
I'll
take
them
in
the
order
that
they
have
appeared.
Councillor
campbell,
my.
B
Oh,
thank
you.
Sorry,
apologies
counselor
anderson.
I
I
must
have
failed
to
notice
your
hand.
Would
you
like
to
come
in
first
then,
yeah.
D
B
Steve,
do
you
want
to
come
in
on
that?
One.
D
Steve
the
chair
has
been
sent
an
email
by
the
civic
society.
Are
you
saying
that
you've
not
been
copied
that
you
weren't
passed
that
by
the
chair.
D
G
D
H
N
Sorry
chair,
yes,
it
was,
I
think,
in
effect,
the
the
email
came
from
the
ava
civic
society
who,
by
giving
the
due
give
clive
woods,
is
due
he's
actually
watched
the
watch.
The
webcast
of
the
all
the
way
through
yes
and
married
it
up
against
the
minutes,
and
his
view
is
that
the
members
in
the
meeting
said
something
slightly
different
than
the
the
ite.
A
B
L
Just
in
relation
to
minutes,
it's
it's
absolutely
right
that
members
are
satisfied,
that
the
minutes
are
accurate
or
accurate
reflection
of
what
happened
at
the
meeting,
but
that
is
members
members
it's
for
members
to
decide
and
move
whether
they
think
they
are
accurate
and
obviously
having
regard
to
the
fact
that
they're
not
a
full
verbatim
note.
L
So,
whilst
obviously
members
might
want
to
take
into
consideration
what
any
representations
from
people
that
have
been
made
to
them
in
relation
to
the
minutes,
it
is
actually
a
matter
for
members
to
to
decide
whether
the
minutes
are
accurate
or
not,
rather
than
third
parties.
B
C
Yeah,
sorry
sorry
can
I
come
in
because
I
think
I
think
I
was
one
of
the
counselors
that
was
trying
to
gain
clarity
in
the
last
meeting
as
to
what
we
were
as
to
what
we
were
agreeing
to
and
my
my
recollection
of
that
meeting
isn't
reflected
accurately
in
these
minutes.
Thank
you.
Okay
would.
C
So
it
says
it
says,
on
page
10,
that
the
applications
be
deferred
for
further
discussion
with
regard
to
the
design
and
materials
for
the
first
floor
extension
and
to
provide
more
detail
on
the
conditions.
But
my
my
understanding
was
that
we
were
to
have
further
discussion
as
to
whether
the
extension
was
even.
E
Appropriate,
but
can
I
come
into
council
right
here?
That
was
my
reflection
as
well,
because
there
was
a
discussion
about.
I
think
the
comment
was
we
can't
really
design
the
material
by
committee,
but
there's
actually
a
fundamental
question
over
whether
or
not
the
actual
second
floor
extension
was
actually
reasonable
or
not,
and
I
think
the
probably
the
two
have
got
crossed.
I
think
in
the
conversation
was
we.
B
G
G
I
thought
quite
clearly
as
to
what
the
majority
decision
was,
which
I
took
away
as
being
that
the
principle
of
having
the
first
floor
extension
was
acceptable,
but
as
the
minutes
reflect
that
the
materials
were
wrong,
we
needed
better
graphics
and
we
would
also
spend
some
time
trying
to
reduce
the
number
of
conditions.
B
Yeah,
I
must
say
my
view
is
that
we
simply
felt
we
hadn't
got
enough
to
work
with
to
make
a
decision,
because
nobody
on
the
panel
had
a
clear
view
of
what
that
extension
was
really
going
to
look
like.
There
was
certainly
discussion
about
materials
which
there
was
general
agreement
needed
needed
to
be
looked
at.
Where
do
we
go
from
here?
Nicole.
L
Are
you
muted
sorry,
do
you
want
to
d
defer
the
the
consideration
of
the
minutes
until
later
in
the
panel,
and
perhaps
an
officer
can
can
revisit
that
on
the
on
the
actual
on
the
actual
meeting,
I'm
just
trying
to
look
through
my
notes,
but
I
haven't
found
them
as
yet
from
the
last
meeting.
But
members
need
to
be
satisfied.
L
What
we
can't
do
is
we
can't
re-agree
something
that
wasn't
agreed
at
the
time.
Members
do
have
to
be
satisfied
that
the
minutes
accurately
reflect
what
they
moved
and
resolved.
L
So
perhaps
an
officer
could
step
out
of
the
meeting
and
re-listen
to
that
meeting
or
that
item
just
to
come
back
and
confirm
further,
and
hopefully
we
can
do
that
before
the
end
of
this
meeting.
D
B
Yep,
yes
chair,
I
see,
I
see
no
dissent
so
so
so
we'll
continue
from
the
point
at
which
we're
at
now
and
we'll
ensure
that
the
minutes
are
agreed
before
the
meeting
is
finished.
G
B
J
J
The
application
has
been
brought
before
plans
panel,
as
it
constitutes
major
development
within
the
ward
and
is
being
delivered
via
the
council's
housing
growth
program
to
provide
100,
affordable
housing,
along
with
the
extra
care
provision
and
accessible
bungalows.
In
addition
to
this,
the
scheme
is
a
departure
from
the
site
locations
plan
as
well.
J
J
As
you
can
see,
the
larger
central
site
is
known
as
throttle
recreation
ground
and
that
forms
the
bulk
of
the
developable
area,
which
currently
consists
of
a
large
flat
triangular
area
of
land
and
it's
utilized
as
grassland
and
open
space.
At
the
moment,
access
is
to
be
taken
at
three
points
to
this
site
to
the
throttle
road
at
the
south
of
the
site
and
one
to
middleton
park
avenue,
which
is
on
the
left
to
the
west.
J
Sorry,
the
additional
smaller
site
to
the
west
of
the
larger
site
is
also
to
do
be
developed
for
affordable
housing,
and
this
site
sits
to
the
south
of
middleton's
children's
center
and
access
to
this
area
is
taken
from
throttle
mount
off
systems
road
next
slide.
Please
thank
you
just
to
give
members
a
further
insight.
This
is
an
aerial
of
the
site.
It's
obviously
the
surrounding
context
features
two
star
recently
attached
and
terrorist
properties,
predominantly
brick
built,
obviously
consistent
with
the
the
wider
middleton
area.
J
The
bulk
of
the
larger
site,
as
you
can
see
on,
there
is
grassland
which
is
maintained
by
lcc.
There
is
actually
a
sports
pitch
which
is
not
particularly
clear
on
this
aerial
and
which
is
located
to
sort
of
the
southwestern
corner
of
the
larger
site.
And
again
you
can
see
the
smaller
site
to
the
west
of
the
larger
site,
which
is
currently
vacant,
and
it
was
cleared
some
time
ago
off
throttle
mount
next
slide.
Please.
J
J
Essentially,
as
you
can
see
there,
the
western
portion
shown
in
the
beige
color
is
the
housing
allocation,
and
then
the
green
color
to
the
eastern
side
is
green
space,
so
the
smaller
in
fill
site
to
the
west
is
also
allocated
for
housing,
and
the
allocations
basically
outlined
that
the
larger
site
is
capable
of
delivering
140
units
with
this
development
total
in
153,
so
it
exceeds
the
allocation
and
similarly
the
smaller
site
is
outlined
as
having
a
capacity
of
15
units,
and
there
are
23
units
proposed
on
that
smaller
site
next
slide.
Please.
J
J
So,
strictly
speaking,
this
is
a
departure
from
the
sap
has
highlighted
previously.
However,
it's
only
via
a
reorganization
of
the
areas
which
are
again
highlighted
in
the
beige
and
the
green.
J
So,
as
you
can
see
the
area
the
new,
the
new
enhanced
area
of
green
space
is
to
provide.
Essentially,
this
does
retain
a
dedicated
sports
pitch,
along
with
providing
new
paths,
access
and
planting.
J
J
Thank
you
just
a
bit
more
of
a
detailed
site
plan
for
members.
It's
a
further
illustration.
You
can
see.
The
extra
care
facility
is
situated
to
the
west
of
the
larger
site,
which
addresses
middleton
park
avenue.
J
Below
this,
a
new
courtyard
area
is
to
be
provided
to
the
south
of
the
building
for
the
use
by
the
residents,
along
with
planting
pathways,
to
provide
a
seating
and
exercise
area
and
general
amenity
space.
J
Around
the
extra
care
block
or
a
building,
if
you
like,
16,
fully
accessible
bungalows,
are
there
to
be
provided
with
their
own
dedicated
gardens
packing,
but
they
can
obviously
access
the
internal
green
space
and
courtyard
area
of
the
extracare
facility,
as
can
the
general
public
as
well.
J
J
There
are
flexible
adaptations
built
into
these
properties,
obviously,
as
they've
been
developed
through
the
housing
growth
program,
so
should
adaptations
be
needed?
There
are
things
such
as
knockout
panels
and
provision
for
for
things
such
as
lifts.
J
If
specific
people
need
adaptations
to
those
dwellings,
the
properties
are
a
mix
between
two
and
four
bedroom
units,
as
outlined
in
the
panel
report
with
off
street
parking
served
by
the
proposed
highways
layout
highways
layout
shown,
there
are
a
total
of
93
dwellings
to
the
larger
site
and
there'll
be
23
units
to
the
smaller
site
to
the
west.
J
So,
just
in
terms
of
highways
and
access
to
the
site,
there
are
new
access
routes
to
be
provided,
obviously
internally
within
the
site,
and
this
was
subject
to
amendments
from
middleton
ward
members
who
raised
concerns
about
rap
running
and
the
use
of
the
development
as
a
cut
through
so
just
to
highlight
to
members.
You
can
see
that
there
are
a
number
of
turning
heads
which
have
been
provided
within
the
develop
development
itself,
rather
than
direct
routes
all
the
way
through
the
site.
J
So
highways
offices
have
been
consulted
on
this,
the
supportive
of
the
of
this
game
subject
to
the
attachment
of
conditions
which
obviously
need
to
be
discharged
later
date.
This
scheme
is
also
subject
to
a
number
of
traffic
camera
measures
internally,
so
that
there
are
speed
bumps
and
other
measures
which
obviously
reduce
the
speed
of
traffic
going
through
the
development
next
slide.
Please.
J
J
This
is
the
the
elevation
facing
middleton
park
avenue
so,
as
you
can
see
it's
to
be
erected
in
predominantly
red
brick,
with
an
emphasis
on
a
two-story
farm
at
the
front
which
is
similar
to
the
context
of
the
area
which
is
two-story
properties,
the
the
facade
is
broken
up
with
large
balconies
serving
the
residential
units
which
feature
great
brick
detailing
set
back
from
the
facade
itself
to
create
shadow
lines,
and
these
do
have
glazed
balustrading
to
them
as
well.
J
The
entrance
canopy
features
steel
threaded
panels,
which
you
can
see
centrally
there,
which
gives
it
a
natural
naturalistic
appearance
again
in
gray
and
copper
tones
providing
a
sheltered
area
whilst
returning
the
open
field
to
the
entrance.
J
The
slide
in
this
example
also
shows
the
proposed
roof
terrace
area,
so
the
extra
care
facility
does
feature
a
roof
terrace,
and
this
was
designed
to
basically
replicate
the
two-story
farm
to
the
front
of
the
block
and
that
obviously
provides
an
amenity
space
to
the
roof
for
residents
as
well,
and
that's
going
to
feature
things
like
planters,
seating
and
it
is
set
back
from
the
front
of
the
facade
subject
to
landscaping
conditions
as
well,
which
will
need
to
be
discharged
later
today.
J
Again,
this
shows
the
extra
care
facility
from
a
different
angle
again
from
the
front
of
middleton
park.
Avenue
indicates
proposed
landscaping
buffer,
which
is
to
be
along
the
front
of
the
site
and
soften
the
appearance,
with
new
trees
planted
along
that
row
as
well.
J
J
The
block
features
like
a
split
level
and
it's
three
story
at
the
rear.
This
element's
finished
in
a
light
brown
cladding
time
with
the
front
balconies
again
using
naturalistic
colours,
broken
up
with
grey
windows
which
serve
residential
units
within
the
block.
J
Next
slide.
Please.
J
Again
a
further
view
of
the
extra
care
just
to
re-emphasize
to
members.
This
is
set
back
from
middleton
park,
avenue
again
indicating
the
roof
terrace
area
to
the
front,
with
a
steps
back
design.
J
In
addition,
you
can
see
one
of
the
fully
accessible
bungalows
there
to
the
left
of
the
picture
which
are
built
being
built
around
the
extra
care
facility
and
again
these
are
tied
in
in
similar
materials,
so
matching
red
brick
with
grey
brick
as
well,
creating
sort
of
a
sympathetic
relationship
between
the
two
next
slide.
Please.
J
So
this
gives
an
outline
of
the
area
to
the
rear
of
the
extra
care
building.
This
is
an
area
where
they're
going
to
create
a
courtyard
garden.
It
provides
a
walk-in
circuit
for
residents
for
both
sorry
residents
and
visitors.
So
obviously
we
can
exercise
in
this
area.
It
provides
general
amenity
along
with
seating
and
a
grassed
zone
centrally,
along
with
tree
planting
and
landscaping.
J
J
J
There
are
textured
brick
panels
which
are
in
between
the
window,
openings
to
break
up
the
bulk
and
mass
of
the
block
itself,
along
with
the
balcony
set
well
in
from
the
external
of
action
which
feature
grey
brick
to
create
shadow
lines,
whilst
tying
in
with
the
wider
development
and
again
there's
a
place,
another
use
of
the
grey
brick
and
the
grey
window
grey
windows,
which
obviously
tie
into
the
development
of
the
balcony
areas
as
well.
J
So,
just
moving
on
to
the
general
housing
within
the
site
itself
or
within
both
sites.
This
is
the
within
the
larger
side,
the
fossil
recreation
ground,
and
these
are
the
typical
properties
which
feature
gable
detail
to
the
front,
along
with
pitched
roof
and
alternative
types
of
dwellings.
As
you
can
see
there
to
break
up
the
massing
and
bulk
of
the
roar,
the
properties
feature
contemporary
design
to
time
with
the
extra
care
building
and
wider
residential
housing,
which
obviously,
as
I've
said
previously,
is
predominantly
two-story
red
brick.
J
As
you
can
see
there,
they
do
incorporate
juliet
balconies
with
large
windows
to
the
front
and
rear
and
again
creating
a
contemporary
appearance,
basically
aiming
to
provide
a
modern
type
house,
modern,
affordable
housing
and
just
to
note,
this
slide
also
shows
the
highway
arrangement
which
I
referred
to
before,
which
prevents
some
of
the
routes
being
a
direct
cut
through
to
the
site
as
well,
basically
which
to
provide
prevent
issues
of
anti-social,
behavior
and,
like
I
say,
rap
running,
which
was
highlighted
by
the
middleton
ward
members.
J
Next
slide.
Please
again,
the
general
house
types
which
you
can
see
here.
They
feature
a
grey
brick
paneling
detail
around
the
juliet
balconies,
which
tie
into
the
grey
windows
and
obviously
the
roofing
and
the
canopy
as
well.
J
Next
slide,
please
and
just
in
terms
of
connectivity
to
the
site-
and
this
indicates
the
through
routes
which
allow
obviously
the
general
public
to
sort
of
integrate
and
cut
through
the
site
if
you
like,
which
are
obviously
subject
to
landscaping
as
well
and
planting
areas
to
soften
the
hard
boundary
treatments
on
the
walls.
J
Next
slide,
please,
this
slide
just
gives
a
overview
of
the
green
space
and
the
development
as
a
whole,
and
so,
as
highlighted
it's
retaining
the
sports
pitch
centrally
within
the
site,
and
this
is
surrounded
by
a
new
network
of
paths,
planting
and
multi-use
green
space
areas.
So,
there's
new
seating,
there's
informal
play
areas
which
feature
things
such
as
boulders
and
logs,
like
I
said,
for
exercise
and
general
amenity
play
with
picnic
areas
as
well.
J
J
Obviously
you
can
see
there
the
tree
planting
areas
beyond
the
pitch
and
that's
where
the
areas
of
sustainable
drainage
and
habitat
creation
is
to
take
place,
obviously,
alongside
the
green
space,
and
you
can
see
that
the
dwellings
overlook
the
central
area
of
green
space,
which
should
provide
an
open
feel
within
the
development
next
slide.
Please.
J
J
These
are
basically
to
be
planted
up
on
landscapes
with
a
dry
attenuation
base
and
swales,
and
obviously
these
areas
remain
open
for
play
and
interaction
over
here.
Obviously,
people
as
well
through
the
paths
which
intersect
to
them
next
slide.
Please.
J
Similar
this
just
provides
you
with
a
ground
view
of
that
area,
so
that
it
shows
you
the
proposed
planting
and
landscape
arrangements
and,
as
highlighted
these
provide
a
dual
functioning,
that
people
can
walk
and
play,
etc
through
them,
whilst
providing
a
sustainable
drainage
strategy
for
the
development
and
bio
diversity-
enhancement,
sorry
as
well
so
yeah,
they
do
have
a
sort
of
dual
role
in
that
sense,
similar
this
area
we'll
see
new
tree
planting
and
again,
as
mentioned
previously.
J
So
just
the
final
view
of
the
green
space
with
planting
and
seating,
along
with
the
proposed
pathways
and
the
swales,
which
you
can
see
there,
which
intersects
the
site
and
obviously
the
tree
planting
as
well,
so
that
just
gives
members
a
final
view
of
of
the
the
central
green
space.
J
J
It
is
noted,
whilst
it's
a
slight
departure
from
the
sap
allocation,
is
accept
what
officers
consider
acceptable
in
these
specific
circumstances,
considering,
obviously
all
of
the
issues
officers
conclude
that
the
benefits
of
providing
100,
affordable
housing
scheme
extra
care
facility
contribute
to
the
council's
housing
supply,
also
attracts
where,
with
the
on-site
green
space
enhancements,
which
deliver
a
significant
improvement.
J
So
this
scheme
is
recommended
for
approval,
subject
to
consideration
by
the
secretary
of
state
and
that's
the
presentation
concluded
chair.
B
Thank
you
very
much
mike
that's
very
helpful.
Before
we
proceed
in
all
the
kerfuffle
around
the
minutes,
I
did
overlook
inviting
nicole
to
give
us
our
usual
annual
reminder
about
purder.
My
apologies,
we'll
we'll
do
that
now,
nicole,
we
haven't
proceeded
on
the
debate
yet
so
I'm
sure
it's
appropriate.
L
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
no
problem,
so
yes,
the
chairs
asked
me
to
advise
members
that
the
purpose
of
the
purdue
period,
which
you'll
be
aware
we
are
now
in,
is
obviously
not
to
prevent
the
council
carrying
out
its
normal
business,
but
it
is
to
prevent
the
business
conducted
by
the
council
not
being
used
or
having
the
potential
to
be
perceived
as
being
used
to
to
secure
any
electoral
advantage.
L
So,
as
such,
I've
been
asked
to
advise
you
to,
please
treat
this
panel
as
a
normal
plans
panel
meeting,
but
please
be
mindful
of
debate
that
amounts
to
or
could
reasonably
amount
to
being
perceived
to
electioneering.
Thank
you.
B
M
That's
me
yeah.
I
will
I'll
read
out
the
comments
that
have
been
left,
so
these
are
by
helen
kelly
and
she
states
in
the
documents
supplied
by
the
council.
They
state
that
middleton
primary
is
in
close
proximity
of
the
proposed
build.
There
is
no
mention
of
the
fact
that
there
is
another
primary
school
that
has
already
been
built
and
a
high
school,
that
is
in
the
pac
in
planning
stages,
half
a
mile
away
from
the
site.
This
speaks
volume
as
to
how
overcrowded
the
area
already
is.
M
South
leeds
has
the
second
highest
population
growth
in
leeds
and
middleton
and
is
already
the
third
largest
council
of
state.
With
about
four
thousand
houses,
the
council
has
sold
off
land
in
the
area
to
other
housing
developments,
the
main
one
being
at
the
top
of
the
golf
course
where
the
for
sale
signs
still
stands,
stating
that
it
would
be
an
ideal
site
for
specialist
people's
accommodation
and
ideal
for
all
the
people's
accommodation.
M
If
I
hadn't
been
working
today,
I
would
have
felt
very
uncomfortable
and
not
very
confident
doing
zoom
as
I
would
suspect.
A
lot
of
other
people
would
be
especially
with
the
old
people.
It
is
not
right
to
assume
that
everyone
reads
the
evening
post
and
that
everyone
is
connected
to
the
internet
and
as
for
planning
nurses
up
during
lockdown,
it
is
making
a
mockery
of
the
situation
and
they
should
have
been
put
on
hold
until
a
proper
meeting
could
take
place,
one
that
was
advertised
on
the
notice
board
at
the
church
of
middleton
park.
M
At
no
point
did
she
say
that
it'd
be
179
houses,
middleton
park,
avenue
and
thought
and
thought
lane
are
horrendous
at
certain
times
that
they
are
used
as
a
cut
through
by
people
living
in
the
rough
well
as
a
robin
hood
etc,
and
it
is
not
just
cars
and
buses.
Heavy
guts
vehicles
delivering
to
asda
and
b
m
farm
vehicles
are
forever
thundering
past
because
of
the
location
of
the
local
farms.
M
M
In
the
words
of
one
of
the
council
on
twitter,
we
need
to
make
sure
every
we
need
to
make
sure
everyone
can
benefit
from
parks
and
green
space.
Easy
to
say,
when
your
homes
look
over
a
park
and
not
just
brick
and
mortar
a
lot
of
people
around
here,
don't
want
to
see
the
fields
used
for
housing,
which
I
have
the
opinion
that
it's,
the
council
and
they're
going
to
do
it
regardless.
M
That
is
where
a
public
meeting
would
have
come
into
play
and
I
feel
the
council
is
using
kovid
and
the
lack
of
public
meetings
to
push
things
through
middleton
has
one
of
the
highest
covered
rates.
Could
this
be
due
to
the
fact
that
it's
already
densely
populated
as
I've
previously
as
I've
stated
previously,
I'm
not
very
confident
with
the
internet?
I
would
have
liked
the
chance
of
public
meeting,
but
I
hope
I've
put
my
points
across
and
I'm
quite
confident.
I
am
quite
sure
I
will
forgot
something.
M
B
B
So
we
do
have
some
people
here
to
speak,
for
in
favor
of
the
recommendation,
we've
got
the
council's
project
officer,
we've
got
the
head
of
housing
growth
and
then
we've
got
the
the
agents
here
too
steve
has
anyone
indicated
that
they
are
going
to
speak
for
the
group
or
how
the
time
will
be
divided.
B
B
O
Thank
you
chair,
I'm
ruth
turnbull
and
I'm
the
project
manager
for
this
scheme
and
I'm
supporting
the
planning
application
for
the
site
at
thrustle
recreation
ground
in
the
middleton
ward,
richard
merrells
and
rob
jagger
from
watson,
batty,
the
architects
for
the
scheme
and
mark
denton
head
of
council
housing
growth
were
also
available
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
in
support
of
our
application.
I'd
like
to
make
the
following
four
key
points.
As
set
out
in
the
officer
report.
The
site
has
an
allocation
for
housing
and
was
not
within
the
green
belt.
O
O
Specialist
housing
for
adults
with
physical
and
sensory
impairments
will
be
integrated
nearby
in
the
bungalows,
with
access
to
the
extra
care
facilities
and
communal
gardens.
These
homes
are
the
first
for
this
client
group
to
be
delivered
in
the
city
and
reduce
inappropriate
and
out
of
authority
housing
placements.
O
The
council
housing
growth
program
is
committed
to
delivering
homes
in
places
of
the
highest
quality.
All
the
homes
will
be
highly
energy
efficient
and
benefit
from
a
district
heating
scheme
to
support
our
climate
emergency
aims.
The
scheme
will
bring
benefits
to
the
wider
community
with
the
contract
arrangements,
ensuring
that
around
75
of
local
labour
and
spend
is
from
contractors
within
40
miles
of
the
site,
and
that
85
is
focused
on
smes.
We
estimate
that
this
will
support
up
to
25
million
pounds
of
investment
in
the
leads
pound.
O
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
ruth.
Can
I
invite
people
now
who
would
like
to
ask
a
question
colin?
Is
that
an
old
hand
or
a
new
one.
N
Well,
it's
an
old
interview.
Can
I
just
apologize
chair
because
I
knew
there
was
something
I
had
to
say
about
this
application
and
I'll
just
I
mean
a
quick
look
at
it's
unremembered,
I'm
a
member
of
wade's
charity
and
therefore
I
think
it's
probably
inappropriate
of
me
to
speak
or
vote
on
this
particular
application.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
councillor
campbell.
Can
that
be
noted
under
declarations
of
interest?
Please,
okay,
so
am
I
taking
that
you're
not
going
to
be
involving
yourself
in
this
debate?
B
B
L
I'm
terribly
sorry,
there
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
procedural
issues
with
this
meeting
today.
It's
it's
just
an
issue
with
regard
to
the
fact
that
we
are
in
a
remote
meeting,
so
usually
any
member
that
would
remove
themselves
from
an
item
would
remove
themselves
from
the
room.
Yes,
so
would
it
be
possible
for
us
to
just
pause
while
we're
able
to
move
counselor
campbell
into
the
waiting
room
and
then
we'll
bring
him
back
into
the
for
the
next
item?
B
You
for
the
reminder,
cheerio
for
now
colin
we'll
see
you
after
the
agenda
item.
Okay,
how's,
he
gone
andy.
A
B
Thank
you
very
much.
I've
got
councillor
finnegan
first.
E
Thank
you
chair.
I
know
this
area
well,
this
green
space
is
the
heart
of
the
middleton
community.
E
Now
the
old
skill
center,
which
again
I
know
well,
I've,
really
no
problems
and
difficulties
with
that's
being
developed,
but
if
the
other
side
the
sports
ground
is
developed,
then
it
really
is
imposing
quite
radical
surgery
to
the
green
hearts
of
the
middleton
community
at
this
particular
stage,
and
it
was
have
a
fundamentally
negative
impact
on
how
middleton
looks
and
I'm
sure
how
middleton
feels
I'm
inclined
to
agree
with
the
objector
who
basically
suggests
that
this
particular
location
is
one
that
is
worth
protecting
and
preserving.
E
Middleton
has
seen
a
hell
of
a
lot
of
housing.
A
lot
of
its
green
spaces
have
disappeared
over
the
years
as
a
lot
of
new
and
private
housing
has
been
developed
and
middleton
does
have
other
areas
other
locations
where
extra
care,
which,
in
principle,
I'm
happy
to
support,
can
be
built.
But
I
think
this
is
too
radical.
I
think
it's
too
extreme
in
exchange
of
the
green
heart
of
this
particular
community
and
I'll
not
be
supporting
this
particular
element
of
it.
It's
the
right
building
in
the
wrong
place.
Thank
you,
chair.
F
I
totally
disagree.
I
think
it's
an
excellent
scheme.
I
think
it's
a
scheme,
that's
well
needed
within
within
the
area.
I
think
it.
It
aims
to
enhance
the
green
space
and
in
fact
it's
it's,
giving
a
better
pitch
for
people
to
use
and
for
more
community
use,
and
I
think
it's
excellent
and
I
I
will
be
supporting
it.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Councillor
reagan,
councillor
ray.
E
Very
much
echo
what
council
reagan
has
said.
I
think
it
is
in
a
reasonable
location.
Let's
not
forget
this
is
sap
approved
as
it
were,
so
it's
also
been
through
the
rigors
already.
It's
already
got
the
principle
of
development
agreed.
There
is
a
significant
need
for
this
type
of
extra
care
facility.
I
think
the
design
is
well
balanced.
It
will
enhance
the
usable
green
space
in
there
and
actually
enhance
security
and
reduce
anti-social
behavior
in
the
area,
because
it
will
be
enclosed
by
residential
properties
of
a
high
standard.
E
The
fact
that
it's
going
to
be
100
affordable,
is
frankly
fantastic
and
as
much
as
we
all
lament
the
loss
of
green
space,
the
actual
amount
of
green
space
being
lost
is
is
negligible
because
it's
about
the
same
as
the
site
allocation
planter
said
has
to
remain
there.
So
I
think,
on
balance,
yes,
no
one
likes
losing
green
space,
but
it's
sap
approved
the
design
is
well
balanced.
It's
meeting
a
significant
need
and
will
probably
enhance
and
improve
the
area's
anti-social
behavior
issues
and
the
green
space
for
the
public's
use.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Councillor
ray
I've
got
councillor
brooks
next.
C
Thank
you
chair.
I
agree.
I
agree
with
my
my
colleagues
and
I'd
also
like
to
say
well
to
complement
it
on
its
good
design.
It
seems
to
be
a
very,
very
high
quality
design
using
using
appropriate
materials
for
the
area
as
well.
So
I
just
like
to
like
to
add
that.
D
I
apologize
for
coming
where
I'm
coming
up
on
this
one
in
paragraph
93,
the
very
last
sentence.
It
says
it
is
acknowledged.
An
objection
has
been
received
from
sport,
england.
However,
it's
considered
the
replacement
sports
pitch
and
much
enhanced
multi-use
green
space
addresses
these
concerns.
Now
I
actually
agree
with
that
comment
by
the
officers,
but
the
mere
fact
that
that's
in
here
should
we
be
getting
clarification
on
the
sports
england's
position.
D
B
I'll
go
straight
to
steve
on
that
one
and
an
in-principle
answer.
First,.
G
B
Well,
I
think
it
would
be
helpful.
I
think
councillor
anderson
was
really
wanting
to
know
what
exactly
sport
england
had
said
about
it
and
what
their
position
was
michael.
You
might
be
in
a
position
to
recall
that
for
us.
J
J
Obviously,
the
the
playing
pitch
is
being
put
back
but
they're
objecting
on
the
loss
of
the
playing
field
which
they're
considered
and
obviously
when
the
pitch
is
in
use,
it
can
then
be
sort
of
rested
while
these
other
areas
are
played
on,
but
just
to
echo
steve's
comment,
obviously
on
the
balance
of
things
with
the
pitch
is
going
back,
which
is
obviously
positive,
but
the
actual
way
the
site
is
allocated
that
if
the
housing
allocation
was
just
built
on
solely,
there
isn't
actually
a
requirement
on
that
bit
of
the
site,
which
is
allocated
to
put
a
sports
pitch
back.
J
So
this
scheme,
with
it
actually
building
across
the
housing
allocation
and
the
green
space,
is
actually
sort
of
a
mixture
of
both.
So
it's
obviously
providing
the
housing
allocation
and
putting
a
pitch
back
which,
if
they
were
developed
separately
or
if
the
housing
allocation
was
just
developed
on
its
own,
you
may
actually
see
that
site
developed
without
a
picture
at
all.
F
Now
it's
just
a
request
that
we
start,
including
the
the
sport
england
objections,
because
I
remember
panel
last
last
meeting
and
there
was
a
sport
england,
objection
on
the
on
the
the
the
sports
pitching
workload.
Finally,
work
that
we're
looking
at,
and
I
had
to
ask
for
clarification
then
on
that,
so
I
just
a
request
to
back
that
up.
Can
we
start
including
these
in
please,
because
obviously
these
are
related
to
green
spaces,
which
is
really
important
to
us
at
the
moment.
B
F
B
Thank
you.
That's
very
helpful
councillor
hesselwood
because,
as
the
chair
who's
been
briefed
previously,
I
just
assume
knowledge
and
you're
quite
right.
If
it's
not
explicit
in
the
paperwork
you're
given,
then
we
need
to
work
harder
to
to
make
it
more
transparent,
very
helpful,
but
I
think
for
today's
paper,
we've
we've
had
the
position
of
sport.
England
clarified
sufficiently.
B
If
anybody
feels
we
haven't,
please
indicate.
Are
there
any
more
comments?
I've
got
councillor
hamilton.
A
Yesterday
I
was
just
supporting
my
colleagues
by
saying
that,
and
we
I
really
like
this
development
and
working
with
the
the
ward
councillors
and
taking
their
views
in
as
shown
and
when
you
work
the
developers
work
with
us
how
we
can
get
things
done
and
take
into
consideration
and
the
other
thing
I
was
going
to
say
with
regards
to
the
additional
pre-planning
consultation.
A
1400
letters
were
sent
out
and
only
seven
people
reply.
I'm
really
surprised
at
that
because
if
you,
even
if
you
had
an
open
meeting,
I
don't
think
1
400
people
would
have
attended
but
to
say
that
receive
it
through
the
letterbox
and
you
know
failed
to
to
have
a
say.
A
Apart
from
that
objection,
that's
been
read
out.
I'm
just
surprised
at
that
and
to
say
you
know,
is
this
a
precedent
reception
you
know
for
for
others,
because
people
normally
complain
that
they've
never
seen
the
sign.
They
didn't
get
a
chance.
You
know
and
you've
gone
above
and
beyond
and
just
to
say
well
done.
B
Thank
you,
councillor
hamilton,
I
can't
see
any
more
hands,
but
I
would
also
like
to
make
a
comment
very
much
to
echo
the
comments
that
have
already
been
made
in
favor
of
this
development,
and
I'm
really
encouraged
that
colleagues
think
that
it
is
a
good,
a
good
design,
a
good
quality
of
design,
because
we
did
push
on
that
a
little
bit
to
get
that
variation
just
that
bit
of
variation
in
materials
and
texture,
and
I
do
know
that
that
the
officer
mike
doherty
worked
very
hard
with
the
developer
to
get
that
out
of
them
and
the
landscaping
as
well.
B
So
clearly,
it's
had
an
impact.
I
think
it's
really
good
all
affordable
very
well
laid
out
green
space
included.
I
also
agree
with
the
fact
that
we
haven't
lost
so
much
green
space
is
to
be
harmful
to
the
development
and
that
it
will
probably
end
up
being
better
maintained
and
cared
for
as
part
of
that
development.
So
I
personally
am
very
much
in
favor
of
this
development.
B
I
can't
see
any
more
hands
with
with
comments
steve.
Could
you
kind
of
sum
up
where
we've
got
to
before?
I
ask
for
a
proposal.
G
B
F
C
B
Right
we've
got
a
proposal
and
it
was
actually
councillor
brooks.
I
heard,
although
somebody
came
in
beforehand,
but
if
I
can
take
councillor
brooks
as
a
seconder.
Thank
you
very
much
and
we'll
have
to
vote
in
the
usual
way,
I'm
afraid,
because
we're
still
remote.
B
So
please
indicate
how
you
wish
to
vote
when
I
call
your
name
for
or
against
or
abstain.
Councillor
anderson
four
councillor
brooks
for
councillor
campbell.
Oh
he's
not
here.
Of
course,
councillor
finnegan
against
council
hamilton.
B
B
Thank
you,
and
I
am
also
four
so
that
is
clearly
carried,
but
perhaps
andy
you'd
just
like
to
summarize
the
numbers
for
us
to
be
clear
for
the
recording.
A
B
So
once
again
steve
do
you
want
to
say
anything?
Finally
about
that
application?
I
think
it's
very
clear.
It's
it's
been
well
supported
by
panel.
G
B
Thank
you
so
agenda
item.
Eight,
we'll
move
straight
on.
If
members
are
happy
to
forgo
a
break,
given
that
it's
a
shortish
agenda
can't
see
anybody
objecting
to
that.
B
So
we'll
move
to
item
eight,
please
the
detached
house
with
the
detached
carport
adjacent
to
the
gables
in
horsforth.
Please
can
we
proceed
with
the
presentation.
B
I
I
There
have
been
a
previous
history
of
a
residential
development
on
this
site,
with
an
application
withdrawn
in
2016
due
to
officer
concerns
in
relation
to
highway,
impacts,
visual
immunity
and
neighborhood
immunity
and
impact
trees,
and
then
we
refused
an
application
in
2018
on
highway
safety
issue.
Only
can
I
have
the
next
slide,
please
the
original
sorry
that
one
thank
you,
the
original
application
involved
in
access
of
the
a65.
This
is
now
changed
to
an
access
of
whole
lane.
I
Now
on
this
aerial
photograph
in
front
of
you
at
the
moment,
the
site
is
on
the
corner
of
rhoden
road
and
lawn
er
hall
lane,
and
you
can
see
onto
the
road
and
road.
There
is
a
high
hedge
on
that
side.
When
there's
a
stone
wall
which
you'll
see
when
you
see
the
street
scene,
you
can
see
to
the
sort
of
north
of
that
image.
I
There
are
two
large
trees,
they
form
the
boundary
to
the
existing
house
and
will
be
retained
as
part
of
this
development,
and
then
you
can
also
see
that
there's
the
side
road
of
whole
lane,
which
is
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
site,
and
I
have
the
next
slide.
Please.
I
This
is
showing
you
the
site.
You
can
see
the
hedge
that
I've
just
talked
about
on
the
right
hand,
side
there,
which
forms
the
boundary
onto
rhoden
road
and
then
there's
also
the
parking
spaces
that
I'd
like
to
show
you
which
are
on
haul
lane.
You
can
see
where
the
yellow
lines
end
and
where
the
parking
spaces
begin.
I
I
This
again
is
showing
you
where
the
yellow
lines
are
it's
showing
you
where
the
parking
spaces
are
at
the
moment,
it's
difficult
to
see
on
this
image,
but
you'll
see
it
in
in
the
next
image,
but
there's
an
existing
gate
there
on
the
right
hand,
side
and
the
new
axis,
for
this
will
be
between
that
gate
and
the
nearest
sign.
That's
got
the
yellow
site
notice
on
it.
Can
I
have
the
the
next
slide
please.
I
This
is
a
a
better
photo
of
the
boundary
onto
whole
lane
when
we
dealt
with
the
previous
applications,
which
we
refused
on
highway
grounds.
The
proposed
access
was
similar
to
where
the
gate
is
at
the
moment
and
you'll
see
in
another
image.
How
close
that
is
to
the
parking
spaces
there
are
on
hall
lane.
The
new
access
has
now
been
moved
and
it's
between
that
existing
gate
and
that
sign
that's
got
the
yellow
site
notice
on
it.
I
So
it's
moved
it
further
away
from
the
parking
spaces
so
that
the
visibility
has
been
improved
for
cars
exiting
the
site.
Can
I
have
the
next
one?
Please
again,
that's
just
showing
you
a
closer
relationship,
so
you
can
see
how
close
when
we
refused
it
previously,
the
access
was
in
relation
to
those
parked
cars
and
it's
now
been
moved
further
away,
so
visibility's
improved
for
cars,
leaving
they
can
see
cars
coming
down
from
that
side
of
hallway.
Can
I
have
the
the
next
one?
I
Please,
this
one's
just
showing
you
that's
the
the
white
building.
There
is
the
existing
house,
the
gables,
so
you
can
see
it's
a
white
gabled
house
with
tiling,
and
then
these
are
the
two
existing
trees
which
previously
a
scheme
looked
to
damage
the
trees
they
were.
The
previous
house
was
too
close
to
these
trees,
but
now
the
scheme
that
we've
got
in
front
of
us
today
ensures
that
these
two
trees
will
remain
on
the
site.
Can
I
have
the
next
slide
please?
I
This
again
is
just
showing
you
another
image
on
whole
lane,
showing
you
the
car
parking
spaces
and
the
site,
and
you
can
see
the
hedge
there
that
forms
the
other
boundary.
I
Can
I
have
the
next
one
please
and
that's,
showing
you
the
site
again
and
the
junction
down
at
the
bottom,
where
the
whole
lane
meets
rhoden
road.
Can
I
have
the
next
one
please?
I
This
is
showing
you
the
site
on
the
other
side.
This
is
what
you
have
on
rhoden
road
you've
got
this
nice
stone
wall.
You've
got
a
high
hedge.
The
original
scheme,
as
I
said,
did
have
an
access
on
here,
but
for
you
we
all.
If
everybody
who
knows
the
a65,
we
considered
that
it
was
inappropriate
to
have
an
access
along
there,
and
there
was
also
the
concern
about
breaking
into
that
nice,
stone
wall
and
hedging.
And
if
you
look
at
the
next
slide,
this
has
a
longer
view
of
this.
I
Was
taken
in
the
summer
where
we
hope
to
get
that
again,
this
is
showing
you
the
long
view
which
we
offices
considered
to
break
in,
and
access
into
there,
as
well
as
the
highway
safety
implications,
would
have
been
unacceptable
in
terms
of
the
visual
impact
on
the
street
scene.
I
Can
I
have
the
the
next
one
please?
So
this
is
the
proposal,
the
site
plan,
as
you
can
see,
there's
the
new
there's,
a
the
gate
that
will
be
closed.
There's
the
new
proposed
access
and
you
can
see
its
relationship
to
those
existing
parking
bays
that
I've
shown
you
on
the
photographs.
I
This
is
just
showing
you
the
house
on
the
the
site.
It
will
be
a
four
bedroom
property.
You
can
see
that
there's
a
good
garden
between
that
house
and
the
existing
boundary
of
the
gables
and
there's
an
open
carport
that
will
go
into
the
corner
on
the
junction
of
whole
lane
and
rorden
road.
I
I
The
west
elevation
will
be
the
view
that
you'll
see
as
you're
coming
into
leeds
down
road
and
road,
and
the
proposed
south
elevation
will
be
the
view
that
you'll
see
from
rorden
road
itself
and
with
the
north
elevation
being
the
view
that
you'll
see
on
hall
lane,
the
house
will
be
white
rendered
and
will
be
tiled
roof
to
match
the
existing
property
of
the
gables
next
door.
I
Can
I
have
the
last
slide
please,
and
this
is
showing
you
its
relationship
in
terms
of
the
existing
street
scenes,
so
the
upper
section
shows
its
relationship
in
relation
to
the
existing
house,
and
you
can
see
the
open
structure,
car
port,
that's
on
that
image,
and
that's
the
image
that
you
will
see
when
you're
actually
on
road
and
road
and
then
the
other
image
is
showing
you
its
relationship
to
the
property
on
whole
lane
and
again,
that's
the
image
that
you
will
see
as
you're
coming
down
road
and
road.
I
If
you
were
traveling
in
the
direction
of
leeds
in
terms
of
the
issues,
the
main
issue
that's
been
raised
by
the
ward
members
is
highway
safety,
with
the
proposed
access
out
of
the
site
being
obscured
by
those
parking
cars.
I've
shown
you
on
hall
lane,
as
I've
stated,
a
previous
application
reviews,
as
it
was
considered,
these
parking
obscured
visibility
from
the
proposed
access.
However,
the
access
for
this
development
has
now
been
moved
further
away
from
the
parked
cars.
Therefore,
improving
visibility
when
leaving
the
site.
I
I
B
Thank
you
carol.
Thank
you
very
much,
so
we
have
counselor
jonathan
taylor
and
councillor
jude
arbuckle
to
speak
now.
Could
I
ask
those
those
two
colleagues,
if
they're
intending
to
split
the
time
between
them.
P
Yes,
we
are
intending,
I
think
I've
planned
to
take
two
minutes
dude
and
we'll
be
speaking.
A
B
Stick
to
the
plan
at
this
point:
okay,
so
councillor
taylor.
Can
I
ask
you
in
your
own
time
to
make
a
start,
and
we
will
indicate
when
the
time
is
is,
is
up.
P
Some
audio
meeting,
thank
you,
chair
good
afternoon
to
my
colleagues
on
the
panel
as
you'll
have
noted
from
the
report.
This
application
has
a
history
of
refusals
and
it
predates
my
time
as
a
counselor
for
horseworth
and
is
in
fact
one
of
the
first
applications.
I
remember
learning
about
from
officers
who,
until
recently
have
found
issue
with
it
for
various
reasons
in
the
report.
You'll
note
that
my
ward
collie,
counselor
collins
and
I
have
expressed
concerns
to
officers
over
a
number
of
issues.
P
Again
until
recently,
these
concerns
were
shared
by
officers.
The
shape
of
the
site
was
unusual
and
the
building
would
propose
would
take
up
a
large
portion
of
it.
However,
the
main
issue
that
we
have
with
this
application
is
with
traffic.
P
Looking
at
the
parking
options,
it
would
seem
likely
that
a
multi-vehicle
household
would
struggle
to
turn
on
site,
meaning
it's
likely
vehicles
would
be
reversing
out
the
driveway,
and
this
is
particularly
concerning.
As
for
anyone
who
knows
that,
turn
off
the
a65
onto
whole
lane
it's
serviced
by
a
bus,
stop
that
is
often
doubled
by
a
slip
road
with
many
vehicles,
traveling
at
40
miles
per
hour.
P
Coming
towards
the
a65
on
whole
lane
and
shown
in
the
drawings
on
the
park,
there
are
a
number
of
parking
spaces
that
severely
impede
visibility
when
leaving
the
proposed
exit
hall.
Lane
is
currently
a
30
mile
per
hour
zone
and
vehicles
coming
towards
the
a65
and
around
these
spaces
are
forced
onto
the
opposite
side
of
the
road
making
a
collision
due
to
speed
and
poor
visibility
likely
under
the
current
plans.
P
Our
proposals
to
make
hall
in
a
20
mile
per
hour
zone
have
so
far
not
been
implemented
by
highways,
despite
the
best
efforts
of
highways
to
accommodate
the
applicant.
Firstly,
by
attempting
to
move
the
exit
directly
onto
the
busy
a65
and
at
a
busy
junction
and
then
by
looking
to
remove
the
footpath
along
the
perimeter
and
place
parking
spaces
in
its
place,
both
of
these
options
were
ruled
out
on
safety
wells
for
motorists
and
pedestrians.
P
The
default
position
which
is
presented
here
today
has
been
unacceptable
to
highways
for
over
three
years
that
I've
seen
this
application
and
it
should
still
be
considered
so
now,
councillor
collins
and
I
echo
the
concerns
raised
by
neighbours
and
recorded
in
the
pack
that
quality
of
life
will
be
impeded
due
to
the
size
of
the
proposed
property
and
danger
exiting
vehicles
were
posed
to
them
under
the
motorists
using
hallway.
Thank
you
for
your
time,
counselor
collins
and
I
will
welcome
any
questions
from
you
as
panel
members.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Could
I
have
councillor
arbuckle
next,
please.
A
Yes,
indeed,
I'm
here.
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
for
letting
me
speak
on
behalf
of
them.
Are
I
have
two
hats?
Really
one
is
I'm
a
resident
of
holland
and
the
other
hat
is
I'm
a
member
of
horsepower
town
council?
So,
mr
chair,
is
it
okay
for
me
to
approach
it
from
those
two
corners.
A
Yes,
well,
the
first
one
is
that
I
support,
obviously
the
decisions
of
horseworth
town
council's
planning
committee,
feeling
that
we
we
have
touched
on
the
on
the
features
of
an
over
development
of
the
site
and
unlimited
parking
space
provided,
but
also
from
a
resident
point
of
view.
It's
a
very
strong
feature
in
that
the
parking
that
started
the
traffic
flows
on
whole
lane
have
increased
significantly
over
time.
A
A
A
A
B
You
thank
you
very
much
indeed,
and
thank
you
to
both
of
you
for
coming
along
and
sharing
those
thoughts
with
us
this
afternoon.
Do
I
have
any
questions
please
for
the
speakers.
Councillor
anderson,
I
think
that's
a
fresh
hand.
You've
put
up.
D
Thank
you
chair.
It's
a
question
for
councillor
taylor.
You
said
in
your
presentation
that
there
are
a
number
of
long-standing
objections
and
that
officers
were
sympathetic
to
those
objections,
but
all
of
a
sud.
Now
we've
got
the
application
before
us.
What
has
changed
or
what
explanations
have
you
had
that
from
officers
to
trying
to
mitigate
the
objections
that
you've
had
what
has
changed
from
when
they
were
objecting?
Along
with
you
to
the
position
we've
got
now.
P
Thank
you,
council
anderson.
There
were.
It
seems
that
there
is
a
slight
movement
of
the
exit
where
previously
the
exit
was
coming
out
through
the
gate,
but
now
it's
been
moved
ever
so
slightly
away
from
the
parking
spaces
which
it,
in
my
opinion,
if
you
were
to
stand
there,
doesn't
offer
a
greater
deal
more
visibility
from
that
side
and
actually
brings
it
closer
to
the
junction
with
the
a65,
which
makes
it
even
more
dangerous
coming
out
of
there.
P
P
In
my
view-
and
I
think
it's
unfortunate
at
the
moment-
the
panel
members
aren't
able
to
get
there,
because
if
you
were
to
stand
where
the
exit
is
being
proposed
and
where
it's
been
proposed
previously,
you
would
see
just
how
how
severely
impeded
visibility
is
from
the
right-hand
side
looking
out
the
development
and
how
dangerous
it
is
with
cars
coming
around
at
some
speed
from
the
a65
to
the
left,
yeah
yeah.
B
Chair
would
you
mind
if
I
made
a
brief
comment?
I
I
I
don't
mind
at
all
council
collins
as
long
as
it's
in
line
with
with
the
procedure.
Can
you
advise
me
nicole,
is
that
okay.
L
Chair
if
councillor
collins
is
responding
to
questions
as
part
of
the
speaker
with
counselor
taylor,
then
that's
fine,
but
we
wouldn't
usually
permit
speakers
to
just
make
comments.
Yes,.
C
C
Yes,
in
response
to
the
question,
I
think
the
the
only
other
thing
that's
actually
changed
is
that
it's
a
new
highways
officer
or
a
different
highways
officer.
I
should
clarify,
and
when
the
highways
officers
reviewed
this
application,
we
were
in
covid
and
lockdown,
so
the
amount
of
traffic
at
that
junction
was
considerably
reduced
and
you
can
actually
see
that
from
the
photographs
that
there's
no
cars
there
other
than
the
two
parked
ones.
C
So
so
really,
I
think
it's
that
the
key
problem
is
that
the
the
maximum
amount
of
traffic
that
will
go
along
there
is
at
the
peak
times
in
the
morning
and
the
evening
it
is
seen
as
a
cut
through
as
councillor
arbuckle
said,
but
unfortunately
I
don't
think
the
highways
officers
have
been
able
to
see
that
because
of
the
reduced
traffic.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
more
questions,
please
of
the
speakers
and
I
don't
see
any
more
hands,
so
we
can
proceed
to
speakers
who
are
now
here
to
speak
in
support.
Nigel
ormondroyd,
are
you
present
with
us.
N
B
Yes,
you
are
okay,
so
if
you'd
like
to
speak
starting
in
your
own
time,
please
for
a
maximum
of
four
minutes.
Okay,.
H
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
nigel
normandroid
and
I'm
the
agent
for
the
application
and
the
applicant
when
you
see
and
his
family
live
in
the
gables
and
the
proposed
house
would
be
in
the
garden
area
to
the
side
of
their
home.
They've
lived
in
the
horse
area
for
some
time
and
are
very
proud
to
be
part
of
the
local
community.
H
Roger
has
therefore
been
mindful,
whilst
considering
the
development
not
to
propose
anything
that
would
be
inappropriate
to
the
area
and
have
a
negative
impact
on
his
family
home.
He
also
asked
me
to
confirm
that
the
financial
gain
is
not
a
motivator
for
the
proposed
home,
and
I
would
have
that
if
this
was
the
aim,
I
would
have
suggested
a
different
type
of
development,
which
would
have
increased
any
potential.
On
the
other
side,
the
house
is
an
opportunity
for
a
self-built
project
that
will
remain
in
the
family
for
the
foreseeable
future.
H
To
add
to
your
understanding
of
the
history
of
the
proposal,
I'd
like
to
confirm
that
the
2017
planning
application
for
the
site
was
withdrawn
because
the
whole
land
parking
spaces
were
introduced
after
the
application
was
submitted,
and
so
we
withdrew
the
application
to
allow
further
consideration
of
this.
The
impact
on
on
the
application,
the
2018
planning
application,
was
originally
submitted
because
the
applicant
was
told
by
the
council
that
the
car
parking
spaces
on
hall
lane
were
going
to
be
removed
so
that
this
would
no
longer
be
an
obstacle
to
the
proposed
dwelling.
H
Whilst
the
application
was
being
considered.
The
intention
to
remove
the
parking
spaces
was
rescinded
and
resulted
in
a
refusal
following
further
consultations
with
the
highways
department
and
the
principal
engineer,
andrew
thickett,
it
was
agreed,
a
suitable
access
could
be
provided,
off-road
enrollment,
so
the
new
application
was
submitted
with
a
revised
design
to
suit
the
new
access.
H
There
was
a
period
of
further
discussions
with
the
planning
officer,
susie
watson
and
the
highways
engineer,
gerdam
shergo,
and
it
was
gurnam
who
proposed
the
current
design
for
the
access
off
all
lane.
So
I
changed
the
design
to
include
his
recommendations
and
agreed
some
changes
to
the
house
design
with
susie
watson,
which
is
the
scheme
that
you
are
now
considering.
H
H
However,
the
highway
development
engineers
report
concludes
that
the
proposal
is
acceptable
in
highways
terms
and
therefore
would
not
increase
the
risk
to
safety
as
perceived
by
others.
It
should
be
noted
that
there
is
the
opportunity
to
turn
cars
around
within
the
site
and
that
the
houses
opposite
that
are
existing,
don't
have
that
facility
so
to
move
on.
As
you
can
see,
the
planning
officers
report
that
the
proposed
scheme
complies
with
all
the
local
and
national
planning
policies
and
will
not
cause
harm
to
the
character
and
appearance
of
the
area.
B
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
almanroyd,
that
signaled
your
time
up,
but
I
I
think
you
fitted
it
in
well.
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
questions,
please
for
mr
allmanride
and
I
can't
see,
I
can't
see
any
hands,
so
I
can
go
straight
to
questions
to
offices.
Please,
and
we
have
our
mad
with
us,
for
I
expect
most
of
the
questions
will
be
directed
for
ahmad
counselor
anderson.
D
D
Secondly,
why
were
the
yellow
lines
put
on
that
road?
In
the
first
place?
What
was
the
purpose
behind
them?
Secondly,
do
highways
officers
sorry?
Thirdly,
how
do
highways
officers
have
any
concerns
about
traffic
leaving
a
40
mile
per
hour
zone
and
bearing
in
mind
that
if
they've
been
traveling
at
40,
they
are
certainly
not
going
to
be
down
back
to
40
by
the
time
they
reach
this
house?
So
what
rough
speeds
are
they
allowing
for
at
that
particular
point?
D
If
next
one
is
if
a
car
was
coming
out
and
there
were
cars
parked
legitimately
in
the
car
parking
position,
provisions
there,
what
effect
and
what
reduction
will
that
be
on
the
visibility
displays,
because
the
visibility
displays?
If
there
are
no
cars,
there
will
be
a
measure
and
then,
if
you
re-measure
them
once
you've
got
the
cars
in
place,
what's
going
to
be
the
reduction?
D
What
is
the
accident
record
at
that
on
that
road,
because
there
was
no
mention
of
it
here?
Is
there
an
accident
record
and
are
these
official
accidents
or
residents
stroke
counsellor
reported
accidents
and
the
final
thing
is:
if
we
could
bear
in
mind,
I
think
if
I
see
this
correctly,
this
is
a
four
bedroom
house.
If
additional
car
parking
was
needed,
would
the
residents
be
expected
to
park
in
the
allotted
spaces
that
are
already
there
or
how
would
highways
officers
anticipate?
The
parking
would
be
generated.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Lots
of
questions
there,
council
anderson,
you,
you
may
need
to
remind
ahmad
on
the
way
through.
I
K
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
with
regards
to
your
first
question:
counselor,
the
in
terms
of
vehicles
approaching
from
the
band
the
the
on-street
parking
bays
as
they're
occupied.
They
will
automatically
deflect
traffic
into
the
other
side
of
the
road
and
therefore,
and
therefore
the
visibility
would
be
able
to.
If
somebody's
waiting
to
exit
that
junction,
they
will
be
able
to
see.
K
Somebody
approaching
that,
on
the
other
side
of
the
road
we
have
been
on
site
visit
me
and
another
highways
officer
during
during
covert
and
and
it's
not
it's
not
to
observe
the
number
of
traffic
and
the
queuing
because,
as
you
said,
it's
not
representative,
it's
just
to
see
and
double
check
the
visibility
and
the
behavior
of
traffic
around
that
bend
generally
as
traffic
approaching
that
down,
and
we
ourselves,
we
have
driven
down
her
lane
on
average
traffic
is
doing
between
15
and
20
miles
an
hour
and
the
requirement
for
this
to
achieve
that
visibility
is.
K
This
is
between
25
and
30
meters,
for
an
exit
for
somebody's
waiting
to
exit
to
look
to
their
right.
The
the
encroachment
to
the
on-street
parking
bays
is
very
minimal,
I.e.
It's
only
the
first
parking
bay.
K
If
it's
occupied,
then
it
would
impede
visibility,
but
the
if
you're
approaching
from
the
bend
you
would
be
able
to
see
somebody's
bonnet
or
or
the
the
person
who's
exiting
the
the
the
minor
arm,
you'll
be
able
to
see
the
front
of
their
car
and
therefore
you
will
act
accordingly
and
and
respond
to
that
and
we've
seen
that
behavior
already
happening
where
vehicles
are
approaching
downhaul
lane
and
there
is
vehicles
on
the
other
side
of
the
road
they'll
they'll
automatically
give
way
to
them,
because
the
obstruction
is
on
their
side.
K
So
they'll
wait
for
for
for
the
vehicles
of
the
other
side
to
come
to
go
across
before
they
make
that
decision
as
drivers
to
to
then
proceed
to
whole
lane
in
terms
of
a
road
safety
in
our
lead
city,
council's
records
and
and
the
public
records
of
crash
map.
There
hasn't
been
an
accident
reported
of
any
severity
since
2012,
so
there's
no
existing
highway
safety
issue.
That
would
be
exacerbated
by
the
proposed
development
in
terms
of
the
internal
car
park.
K
If,
if
there's
an
additional
car
for
for
for
that
user,
there
isn't
anything
at
the
minute,
stopping
them
part
using
these
on-street
parking,
bays,
they're
they're
in
term,
because
the
four
bed
dwelling
the
requirement
is
two
parking
spaces
and
they
have
provided
two
parking
spaces.
Having
said
that,
they
have,
they
still
have
a
sufficient
internal
area
to
have
a
third
car
there,
without
affecting
without
causing
somebody
to
reverse
back
onto
whole
lane.
I
hope
that
answers
all
your
questions.
Council.
Thank
you.
D
Well,
three
things
haven't
been
clarified,
one
is
if
we
can
use
google
streets
or
not,
secondly,
why
the
yellow
lines
were
put
there
in
the
first
place?
And
thirdly,
I,
when
I
referenced
40
miles
per
hour.
That
is
this.
I
accept
what
you
said
about
15
to
20
coming
down
hall
lane.
D
I've
got
no
dispute
with
that
whatsoever
where,
when
I
do
have
concerns
if
cars
are
coming
off
the
a65
at
40
plus,
because
if
a
car
is
meant
to
be
if
the
speed
limit's
40,
we
all
know
that
roughly
10
plus
two
so
we're
talking
about
cars
being
there
round
about
45
miles
per
hour
coming
off
onto
hall
lane.
What
allowance
have
you
made
for
that?
So
that's
the
three
questions,
google
streets,
yellow
lines
and
the
40
mile
an
hour,
not
I'm!
B
Thank
you.
Can
we
just
clarify
councillor
anderson
on
your
google
streets
question?
Do
you
mean,
can
we
use
google
streets
in
this
meeting
as
a
paper
for
everyone
to
use.
D
D
L
Actually
trying
to
work
out
what
the
what
the
rule
is,
but
I
mean,
as
we
know,
google
street
maps
is
publicly
available
to
individuals.
What
what
what
I
don't
know
we
could
even
do
today
if
we
were
allowed,
was
to
be
able
to
get
to
the
point
where
we
can
show
show
members
that,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
members
couldn't
have
a
look
separately
if
they're
able
to
during
this
meeting
at
that,
it's
certainly
something
we
can
look
in
into
for
future
meetings.
L
But
I
think
even
if
we
could
get
access
to,
it
would
be
difficult
to
then
present
it
at
this
meeting.
Unless,
unless
anyone
can
tell
me
otherwise.
G
I'm
just
going
to
have,
there
are
often
copyright
and
licensing
issues,
so
yeah
we'd
have
to
check
that
to
be
fair,
we
can
use
it
for
just
using.
You
know
the
aerial
photographs
and
satellite
stuff,
but
the
other
thing
we
don't.
We
have
to
look
into
it.
I
suspect
it's
a
licensing
issue,
but
there's
been
a
effectively
a
company,
complete
city
council.
B
I
I
also
feel
that
I,
I
might
have
a
bit
of
difficulty
with
individuals
accessing
it
and
some
not
depending
on
how
many
screens
they've
got
available
and
what
their
access
issues
are,
that
that
would
mean
that
some
would
have
the
advantage
of
it,
and
some
would
not.
So
I'm
I'm
not
too
happy
with
that,
but
I
have.
D
I'm
happy
with
that
ruling.
I
was
just
asking
the
point
to
try
and
add
a
bit
of
clarity,
okay
and
also
I
wanted
it
so
that
we
all
saw
the
same
thing
at
the
same
time
rather
than
some
of
us
doing,
research
and
others.
Yes,
I
think
we
should
all
see
the
same
thing
yeah
and
all
base
our
decisions
and
what
we
see
not
anything
else.
We
get
passed
to
us
or
anything
like
that.
B
K
Yeah
ahmad,
yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you
councillor,
the
the
the
40
miles
an
hour.
If,
if
you're
exiting
rodent
road
you
there
is
a
deceleration
sort
of
a
bus
lay
by
something
and
this
and
that's
there
for
a
reason,
so
this
will
slow
traffic
down
if,
if
you're
approaching
junction,
as
you
would
do
into
there
are
a
clear
road
signs
that
this
is
a
30
miles
an
hour
road.
So
you
will.
We
would
expect
drivers
to
reflect
that
the
road
itself
whole
lane
itself
will
it
does
act
as
a
speed
reduction
measure?
K
So
so
because,
as
they
exit
from
rodent
road,
they
will
they
will
act
according
well
they're
supposed
to
act
accordingly
to
whole
lane
in
terms
of
the
double
yellow
lines
they
we
usually
provide
them.
If
it's.
If
the
approach
is
to
a
secondary
distribu,
if
it's,
if
it's
it's
a
strategic
route,
the
a65
or
a
secondary
distributor
road,
we
provide
them.
K
If
the
junction
bell
mouth
is
not
really
does
not
meet
the
junction
at
a
perpendicular
angle,
and
and
that's
the
reason
where
we
stop
where
we
could
support
at
some
point
historically
providing
the
double
yellow
lines.
It
would
also
stop
vehicles
parking
on
the
north
side
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
of
the
of
the
proposed
dwelling,
because
these
driveways
to
the
north
do
not
meet
the
visibility
requirements
because
of
because
the
road
shapes
and
the
bend
of
the
road.
So
so
so,
there's
two
features
to
the
double.
K
Yellow
lines
is,
and
it's
mainly
in
the
interest
of
highway
safety.
D
N
Thank
you,
chair
good,
a
couple
of
highways
questions
and
please
know
a
non-highway
question
just
confirm
for
me:
what's
the
speed
limit
on
whole
lane.
N
Secondly,
the
the
marked
outs
parking
bays
on
whole
lane
seem
a
bit
of
an
anomaly
to
me
and
who
uses
them
and
the
third
question,
which
is
probably
for
carol
the
the
the
boundary
treatment
onto
rodden
road,
is
a
fairly
substantial
hedge.
N
I
was
just
wondering
why
we
weren't
asking
perhaps
for
that
hedge
to
be
extended
around
the
curve
of
the
bend
to
provide
a
bit
more
screening
for
the
proposed
development.
Thank
you
chair.
Those
are
my
thank.
K
Yeah,
thank
you
councillor.
The
whole
lane
is
subject
to
30
miles
an
hour,
speed
limit
at
the
minute,
the
the
the
use
of
the
exist
on-street
parking
base,
they've
been
provided
recently
for
residents
on
the
other
side
of
of
whole
lane
and
they've
been
provided
the
interest
of
parking
capacity
and
highway
amenity
really
because
we
understand
from
historically
there
has
been
a
requirement
for
these.
B
Thank
you
does
that
fulfill
the
highway
side
of
it
councillor
campbell,
yeah,
yeah,
okay,
thank
you
carol.
I
Mute
carol,
yes,
sorry,
I
was
trying
to
find
the
arrow
and
direct
it
to
the
the
mute.
Yes,
I
mean
if,
if
members
consider
it
would
be
appropriate
to
have
that
and
a
condition
to
extend
that
hedge
further
round.
I
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
that
and
I
can
see
the
benefits
of
doing
that,
and
so
you
know
if
you're
minded
to
approve
it
with
that
additional
condition.
Then
then
I'll
be
happy
to
support
that.
I
B
You
are
there
any
more
questions,
please
for
officers
and
I
can
see
no
indication.
So
can
I
write
comments,
please
that's
it.
I've
got
councillor
campbell,
councillor,
hesselwood
and
then
councillor
anderson,
so
I'll
take
councillor
campbell.
First,
please.
B
F
D
The
only
comment
I've
got
is,
I
am
concerned
on
the
highways
grounds,
I'm
not
they.
I
accept
that
in
theory,
people
should
be
slowing
down
to
be
an
acceptable
speed
coming
off
of
rodden
road,
but
experience
tells
me
in
my
own
word
that
what's
expected
and
what's
reality
are
two
different
things
in
terms
of
what's
happening
here,
and
I
am
also
concerned
that
if
we
have
needed
double,
yellow
lines
and
the
residents
opposite
do
need
the
car
parking
spaces,
that's
even
less
space.
D
If
people
are
coming
to
visit
this
this,
this
property,
as
well
as
to
where
these
people
would
park
and
if
it's
visitors
will
be
parking
there.
Where
are
the
residents
going
to
park
and
what's
the
anticipated
buildup
of
problems,
so
I
want
to
be
able
to
support
this
application
because
I'm
not
satisfied
that
the
highways
angle
has
now
been
satisfactory
resolved.
Thank
you.
B
L
B
B
Second,
it
sir
thank
you
councillor
reagan,
so
I
have
a
proposer
and
a
seconder.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
for
your
vote
in
the
usual
way,
please
for
against
or
abstain
in
alphabetical
order.
Councilor
anderson
against
thank
you.
Councillor
brooks
abstained.
N
B
G
L
B
I
certainly
was,
if
you're
not
in
support
of
it,
please
indicate.
B
B
G
G
Steve,
well,
I
thought
you'd
ask
me
to
summarize.
Yes,
I
did,
I
think
andy
needs
to
just
check
on
the
voting,
because
I
think
I
got
slightly
caught
out
again,
but
I
think
the
majority
of
members
were
for
approval
of
the
application
andy.
Could
you
just
remind
us
of
the
the
numbers
please
yeah.
We.
B
What
I
got
too
is
that
correct,
yeah.
Okay,
so
that's
clearly
carried.
Thank
you
very
much
indeed,
and
that
almost
brings
us
to
final
business,
but
we
do
have
the
question
of
the
minutes
to
to
settle
before
we
finish
the
meeting
nicole,
could
you
just
tell
us
what
our
choices
are
here,
for
example,
do
we
have
to
agree
them
today,
or
could
we
carry
them
over
to
the
next
meeting?
While
we
look
in
more
detail
of
the
issues
that
have
been
raised
so.
L
There
are
several
options
available
for
members.
You
can
either
move
the
minutes
other
than
I
think
it's
item
six.
That's
an
issue
and
defer
that
to
the
next
time
or
you
can
divert
all
the
minutes
or
what
I
can
say
is
that
jonathan
carr
now
has
had
the
opportunity
to
re-listen
afresh
to
the
to
the
recording
of
the
last
panel
meeting.
He
is
able
to
confirm
what
was
discussed
and
what
was
moved
and
then
I
am
able
to
advise
on
that
if
required.
N
In
sorry,
chair
trying
to
find
the
move
button
there
I'm
happy
to
listen
to
jonathan.
Can
I
just
say
one
thing
in
relation
to
google
earth
this.
The
issue
of
members
using
google
earth
arose
some
five
or
six
years
ago,
and
it
was
decided,
then,
that
we
couldn't
use
google
earth
or
one
member's
version
of
google
earth
just
this
panel,
unless
every
every
single
thing
had
access
to
it
and
that's
not
always
possible
sure.
So,.
B
H
Okay,
thank
you,
chair
yeah,
so
I
have
listened
to
the
sort
of
relevant
portion
of
the
recording
on
youtube
whilst
trying
to
keep
an
eye
on
proceed
proceedings
today.
H
So
basically,
what
happened
was
that
the
steve
did
ask
for
clarification
twice
as
to
members
wishes
and
suggested
that,
as
a
result
of
listening
to
the
debates
that
the
first
floor
extension
was
to
be
reconsidered
in
terms
of
its
design
and
materials.
H
But
it
didn't
answer
the
question
of
whether
the
second
floor
was
to
be
accepted
or
not,
but
because
brooks
did
accept
that.
H
So
the
motion
wasn't
altered
by
that
query
and
carried
on
in
terms
of
the
vote
and
after
the
vote
ue's
chair
did
ask
steve
to
sum
up
for
the
minutes
and
for
the
recording
just
to
clarify
what
had
been
agreed
so
again,
steve
confirmed
that
the
item
was
deferred
to
consider
designing
materials,
the
first
floor,
extension
and
flesh
out
the
conditions
as
well.
H
So
in
terms
of
emotion,
I
think
basically
it's.
What
we
could
say
is
that
the
application
was
deferred
for
further
discussion
with
regard
to
the
designing
materials
of
the
first
floor
extension
and
for
clearer
images
of
what
is
proposed
and
to
provide
more
detail
on
the
conditions.
So
it's
effectively
as
minuted,
but
with
the
addition
of
the
requirement
for
clearer
images
of
what
is
to
be
proposed.
B
Thank
you
that
that
does
reflect
my
recollections
and
I
do
recall
the
question
from
councillor
brooks
and-
and
I
do
recall
as
moving
on
from
that
position
in
the
way
that
you've
described.
L
So
what
I
could
do
chairs
just
just
to
clarify
that
a
little
bit
further,
what
jonathan's
described
is
what
was
in
as
in
the
draft
minutes
other
than
the
the
reference
to
clear
images,
but
also
just
for
those
members
who
have
received
the
email
from
mr
woods,
who
is
the
chair
of
the
air
bra
civic
society.
L
In
that
he
suggests
that
novo
no
vote
took
place
to
confirm
members
were
accepting
of
some
form
of
extension,
I.e
the
principle
of
the
extension,
but
there
was
that
was
never
moved
as
part
of
any
motion.
It
was
never
included
in
any
motion
and
therefore
that
is
why
no
vote
was
taken
on
the
principle
of
the
extension.
L
Having
said
that,
the
details
around
the
extension
and
how
it
was
designed
will
be
included
in
what
was
moved,
which
was
material
and
design
and
further
details
on
conditions,
all
of
which
was
agreed,
would
be
deferred
to
go
in,
get
the
negotiations
and
then
bring
back
for
members
to
have
another
full
discussion.
L
And
so
on
that
basis,
the
I
would
I
would
be
advising
that
that
the
minutes
as
drafted,
unless
you
wanted
to
tweak
slightly,
which
is
entirely
a
choice
for
members,
are,
do
reflect
the
principle
of
the
motion
and
what
was
actually
moved
and
voted
on
and
carried.
B
C
Thank
you
chair,
so
my
my
recollection
of
the
meeting
was
that
the
the
principle
of
the
second
story
extension
was
never
agreed
so
so
that
aspect
of
of
the
application
was
to
come
back
for
discussion
and
agreement
at
a
later
meeting.
L
It
was
deferred
for
more
negotiations
and
information
around
the
material
and
design
and
conditions
so
and-
and
that
makes
sense
really
because,
as
members
are
aware,
you
are
asked
to
assess
the
actual
application
before
you
and
whilst
you
can
make
amendments
or
or
tweaks
or
impose
further
conditions,
the
principle
of
what
the
principle
of
what's
there
before
you
is
what
you're
really
being
asked
to
to
to
assess
what
wasn't
moved
was
a
refusal
because
of
because
of
the
actual
principle
of
the
extension.
L
Having
said
that,
you
know
that
doesn't
mean
that
negotiations
with
the
applicant-
I
don't
know
how
big
how
they
are
going
or
what's
going
on,
but
for
the
purposes
of
the
minutes
we
need
to.
They
should
reflect
not
the
verbatim
conversation,
and
that
is
some
of
the
things
that
mr
wood
has
set
out
in
his
in
his
email.
They
have
to
reflect
what
the
motion
was
and
what
the
vote
was.
Even
if
some
members,
you
know
had
had
different
views
or
certain
comments
that
didn't
then
bring
the
itself
into
the
motion.
B
Council
brooks
my
recollection
of
this
as
well
is
exactly
as
you've
described.
I
do
recall
you
raising
the
in-principle
issue
and
I
satisfied
myself
in
my
head
that
what
we'd
agreed
for
deferral
would
mean
that
if
there
wasn't,
if
we
couldn't
reach
agreement
on
the
design
and
materials
of
the
extension
in
situ,
then
then
it
would
be
refused
on
that
basis.
B
G
Yeah
jam,
I
I
just
jump
in
a
tiny
bit.
Yes,
I
think
I
think
the
minutes
do
reflect
accurately
what
was
discussed
at
the
plans
panel
and
because
there
was
a
split
in
the
members.
I
think
there
were
possibly
two
members
that
had
a
bit
of
an
issue
with
the
principle
of
the
first
floor.
G
I
was
very
careful
to
make
sure
that
we
got
clarity
as
officers
to
go
back
to
the
applicant
as
to
what
we
were
discussing
but
at
the
same
time
leave
the
the
decision-making
responsibility
with
panel,
ultimately,
hence
the
deferral
and
not
to
bring
back
to
panel
and
not
to
delegate
it
to
officers.
So
I
think
the
minutes
do
cover
council
brooks
point,
so
you
know
we've
gone
away.
We've
spoken
to
the
applicant.
G
We
have
started
negotiate
on
alternative
renderings
for
the
for
the
upper
story,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
when
it
comes
back
to
panel,
if
members
are
unhappy
with
that,
well,
it's
fully
within
the
the
panel's
remit
to
to
make
a
different
decision.
So
it
was
all
very
carefully
worded
to
keep
the
responsibility
and
the
decision
making
within
the
panel's
grasp.
G
But
at
the
same
time
give
the
old
applicant
the
opportunity
to
to
amend
the
design
of
the
first
floor
element
without
simply
enough,
so
I
do
think
it
covers
the
issue.
B
E
If
it,
if
it
means
that,
actually
we're
not
happy
with
what
comes
back
and
it,
and
that
effectively
means
we
declined
the
design
and
that
that's
fine,
if
it's
just
simply
that
the
wording
is
such
a
way
that
it's
capture
all,
rather
than
probably
the
specifics.
I
think
the
person
who's
sending
emails
asking
for
on
our
recollections
and
that's
fine.
E
N
Well,
to
be
honest,
my
recollection
is
is
similar
to
yours
and
I
think
it's
a
case
of
what
we
thought
we
were
saying
which
may
not
have
sounded
like
what,
because
I
think
there
was
some.
N
There
was
some
discussion
about
the
the
principle,
but
we
were
particularly,
I
think
we
probably
that
became
secondary,
because
the
the
materials
etc
were
just
not
acceptable,
and
it
almost
seems
to
me
that
if
you
look
on
page
10
on
the
paragraph
below
the
bullet
points,
the
first
sentence
says
in
summary,
the
spot
members
were
accepted
of
some
form
of
extension.
On
the
first
floor.
N
B
C
B
H
H
Add
again,
having
listen
to
it
again,
just
within
the
last
hour,
steve
did
take
pains
to
ask
for
clarification
twice
that
the
principle
was
accepted
and
that
it
was
the
design
of
materials
that
were
to
be
reconsidered,
and
that
was
part
of
the
motion
that
you
suggested
me
put
forward
to
to
be
considered.
H
A
N
We're
simply
saying,
is
it's
a
slightly
different
approach?
Isn't
it
that
you
know
if
we're
saying
we
agreed
the
principle
if
they
come
along
with
it
with
a
design
which
is
meets
our
stringent
requirements,
then
I
don't
think
that's
an
issue,
but
as
I
say,
I
think
that
that
first
sentence
is,
is
not
what
panel
thought
there
was.
They
were
saying
at
that
moment
and,
as
I
said,
I
don't.
N
L
Yes,
yes,
the
minutes
help
reflect
the
the
general
basis
of
debate,
but
the
resolution
is
what
is
the
is
the
important
part,
because
that
is
what
members
of
the
panel
decided
must
happen
next
and
as
as,
as
we've
been
discussing,
that
is
going
to
come
back
and
it
is
still
open
to
members
if,
if
it
comes
back
with
the
with
the
extension
and
members
are
not
not
happy
that
it's
acceptable
in
planning
terms,
then
then
members
have
another
opportunity
to
either
move
refusal
or
to
seek
further
changes.
L
If
that's
what
if
they
feel
like
it's
not
far
from
what
what
would
be
acceptable.
So
you
know,
if
members
feel
so
strongly
if
members
feel
so
strongly
that
they
want
to
remove.
I,
I
assume
we're
talking
about
sorry,
I'm
looking
at
a
different
screen
with
it
on.
In
summary,
it
was
felt
that
members
were
accepting
of
some
form
of
extension
at
first
floor.
If
members
feel
so
strongly
about
that,
and
they
want
to
move
to,
remove
that
it
doesn't
change
the
resolution.
It
just
changes
the
minute,
the
the
minute.
B
Nicole,
if
if
you
say
that
that's
possible
to
do,
I
personally
would
like
to
do
it.
L
B
B
Thank
you,
councillor
campbell.
Do
we
now
take
a
formal
vote
on
it?
Nicole?
Yes,
please,
okay!
So
if
you
are
in
favor
of
what
of
removing
the
sentence
that
we
have
been
referring
to,
please
say
for
otherwise
against
or
abstain.
Counselor
anderson
for
councillor
brooks
four
councillor
campbell
councillor,
finnegan
paul
councillor,
hamilton.
B
P
B
And
I
will
vote
for
as
well,
so
that
is
carried.
Do
you
want
to
summarize
andy.