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A
Thank
you
john
good
afternoon,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
remote
meeting
of
the
city
plans
panel.
My
name
is
councillor
jim
mckenna
and
I
will
be
chairing
today's
meeting
city
plans
panel
deals
with
applications
from
the
city
center,
as
well
as
the
largest
and
most
significant
application
the
council
receive.
The
aim
of
the
panel
is
to
hear
all
relevant
information
from
applicants.
A
A
A
A
I
will
allow
a
five
second
pause
for
agreement
on
that.
A
A
Thanks
peter
councillor,
dan
cohen,.
A
Thank
you
councillor
I'll
guard
wait
councillor.
E
Everybody
council,
peter
gruen,
cross,
cates
and
winmore,
and
I
promise
to
be
as
good
as
councillor
cohn
and
councillor
wall
shop.
A
D
There
liz
she's
having
problems
logging
on
she's
trying
to
get
on,
but.
E
D
I
K
Good
afternoon
everybody
andrew
crates,
east
area
team,
principal
planning,
officer.
D
On
the
chair,
it's
actually
a
philippa,
plum
tree
valley
as
lead
legal
advisor
to
panel
this
afternoon,
I'm
principal
legal
officer
for
the
council
and
in
the
event,
my
internet
connection
fails
I'm
seconded
by
my
colleague
nikki
deal
who's,
also
on
the
call.
A
Thank
you,
philippa
nikki,
please.
D
A
Thank
you,
nikki
andrew
thickett,.
A
A
D
Thank
you,
chair
under
agenda
item
one.
There
were
no
appeals
against
the
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents
under
item
two
exempt
information
possible
exclusions,
oppressor
public,
I'm
not
aware
of
any
items.
We
need
to
exclude
the
press
or
public
from
item
three
items.
I'm
not
aware
of
any
late
items.
D
D
Okay,
I
can
see
no
hands
going
up
so
I'll
assume.
There's
there's
no
interests.
Number
five!
Apologies
for
absence
castle
robert
finnegan
chair,
has
declined
the
meeting.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
john
moving
on
then
to
item
number
six
on
page
five
minutes
of
the
previous
meeting
held
on
the
11th
of
march.
C
C
Also,
members
expressed
a
view
in
relation
to
the
environmental
areas
that
they
were
the
airport
were
proposing
and
in
particular,
we
asked
about
a
management
plan
for
those
and
public
access
and
further
down.
Well,
the
one
after
that,
which
is
about
the
cycle
path.
Other
members
were
generally
satisfied.
I
don't
actually
recall
the
members
being
particularly
satisfied
and
actually
it's
picked
up
on
page
11..
C
A
I
I
Regarding
the
airport
minutes
in
resolve
point
b,
I
note
that
since
the
meeting
and
the
referral
to
the
secretary
of
state
we've
had
a
response
from
the
secretary
of
state
that
the
application
is
to
be
put
on
indefinite
hold,
and
I
was
wondering
do
we
have
any
more
detail
to
that
to
that
just
or
is
it
just
an
indefinite
hole,
because
I
need
to
talk
to
the
printers
about
the
ir
was
right
t-shirts
I
want
making
up
so
we're
in
all
seriousness.
A
Well,
I
discussed
that
yesterday
and
apart
from
the
letter
that
you
refer
to
which
I've
read,
it
doesn't
say
indefinitely
actually
but
has
been
called
in.
Can
I
invite
dolga
to
come
in
on
this?
Please
thank.
G
You
chair,
we
were
going
to
pick
it
up
in
mata's
arising,
but,
yes,
the
secretary
of
state
has
in
effect,
issued
a
direction
to
say
that
the
local
authority
can't
determine
the
application
until
he
has
had
time
to
consider
it
carol
is
actually
on
the
call.
She
may
have
some
more
details
to
add
to
that.
So
I'm
happy
to
do
that
now.
A
Can
we
do
that
at
the
end,
as
you
said,
because
there's
a
a
matter,
I
want
to
raise
with
carol
as
well:
okay,
fine,
okay,
moving
on
then
page
10.
A
A
A
A
A
A
Page
16
and
page
17.
before
I
ask
you
to
approve
that
as
a
true
and
correct
record,
which
I
shall
do
shortly
with
the
editions
from
council
campbell.
A
D
Carol
please,
I
thank
you
chair,
yes
under
point
three
under
the
resolved
a
we
think
that,
as
you
said,
that
it
should
say
further
negotiations
take
place
on
the
extent
of
demolition
of
the
existing
terminal
building,
and
so
it
just
needs
the
words
of
the
existing
terminal
building
in
certain
and
following
on
from
that,
the
next
few
words
say
I'm
following
the
completion
and
we
think
they
should
have
the
words
of
the
section
106
agreement,
because
at
the
moment
it
just
says
I'm
following
the
completion
section,
106
agreement.
D
A
Okay,
with
those
editions
and
the
comments
from
council
campbell,
can
we
now
agree
them
as
a
term
and
correct
record
I'll.
Take
silence
as
yes
moving
on
matters
arising.
G
D
Yeah
I
mean
what
the
inspection,
what
happened
was
that
we
referred
the
application
to
the
secretary
of
state
in
relation
to
the
development
within
the
greenbelt
and
they
had
21
days
to
look
at
that
and
they
came
back
after
the
21
days
and
said
that
they
put
a
hold
in
on
the
application
saying
that
we
cannot
grant
planning
permission
without
further
authorization
and
they've
said
in
that
letter
that
the
reason
for
that
is
that
they
need
a
further
period
of
time
beyond
the
21
days
to
consider
the
proposal
and
that's
as
far
as
it's
gone.
D
We've
got
nothing
more
from
them,
so
it's
just
for
them
to
consider
the
application
for
further
and,
as
everyone
knows,
there's
a
lot
of
correspondence
about
it.
There's
a
lot
of
background
to
it.
It's
a
major
issue,
so
the
inspector
sorry,
the
secretary
of
state,
it
just
needs
longer
than
these
21
days
to
look
at
it
and
that's
the
reason
for
their
letter,
and
I
have
asked
them
what
time
scales
they're
looking
at
and
at
the
moment
they
have
they're
not
able
to
give
one.
A
Okay,
thank
you
carol.
That's
very
concise!
Any
questions
from
members
on
that
council
latte.
Please.
H
Yes,
if
I
could
just
ask
carol
on
the
news
about
that
item,
they
actually
said
indefinitely
as
opposed
to
would
you
take?
Would
you
say
that
that's
what
you
understood.
D
A
A
E
I
think
all
members
of
panel
will
be
aware
of
this
and
we
are
celebrating
the
right
word.
The
fifth
anniversary
of
the
northern
quadrant,
still
not
having
its
section
106
agreement,
signed
in
fairness
to
officers
with
our
prompting
and
us
chair.
They
have
come
back
with
a
position
statement,
probably
about
12
months
ago,
but
this
will
go
down
in
planning
history.
E
Every
time
I
ask,
I
am
told-
and
I
know
it's
best-
endeavors
from
offices
I'm
told
we
are
almost
there-
it
is
almost
completed,
but
it
never
is,
and
it
truly
cannot
be
right-
that
a
developer
can
take
five
years
to
agree
section.
106
conditions
and
I've
raised
it
and
I
think
counselor
khan
and
others
have
supported
it
in
the
past.
There
should
be
a
time
limit
and
we
said
to
legal
officers.
E
A
Thank
you
peter.
It
has
a
rose
many
times
and
I
think
you're
generally
supported
by
members
of
the
panel
on
it.
It
might
be
useful
that
we
get
a
comment
from
philippe
and
doug
at
this
stage.
G
Yes,
I'm
happy
to
start
chair.
I
I
I
totally
sympathize
with
councillor
gruy's
comments.
I
think
that
the
the
example
he
gives
is
an
extreme
one.
In
my
experience,
but
section
106
agreements
take
much
longer,
especially
on
more
complicated
and
the
most
complex
sites,
large-scale
schemes
where
you've
got
many
different
interests
and
many
different
obligations,
so
they
can
take
some
time
to
get
off
the
line.
G
I
think
the
the
history
behind
the
resolution,
the
section
in
the
in
the
in
the
reports,
the
standard
resolution
to
complete
within
three
months
was
to
avoid
a
situation
where
we
couldn't
get
agreement
than
to
have
to
bring
items
back
to
plants
panel.
It
was
to
allow
the
the
chief
plane
officer
and
the
delegating
powers
to
refuse
applications
when
we
weren't
getting
a
completion
of
the
section.
106
agreement
not
have
without
having
come
back
to
panel,
but
but
notwithstanding
that,
I
totally
agree
that
five
years
is
is
is
is
not
an
appropriate
period.
G
I
mean
no
doubt
there
are
specific
reasons
in
that
particular
case.
But
but
we
are,
we
are
trying
to.
You
know,
get
these
across
the
line
as
quickly
as
we
can.
D
I
can
assist
chair
just
to
just
to
amplify
the
points
that
doubt
it
has
made
screen
you're
entirely
correct.
D
This
has
got
to
be
a
record
breaking
106
negotiation
that
has
gone
on
for
far
too
long,
and
but
there
have
been
reasons
as
to
why
that's
been
delayed,
for
example
the
indemnities
and
land
transfers
and
skeleton
wood,
but
not
to
say
we
have
pushed
this
consistently
with
colleagues
in
planning
and
to
use
the
term
that's
been
used
before
we
are
nearly
there
and
touching
distance
of
getting
this
completed,
and
if
there
are
any
further
updates,
we'd
be
happy
to
bring
those
to
panel,
but
you're
right
to
point
it
out.
Councillor
growing.
C
I'm
just
bearing
in
mind
that
councillor
peter
green,
for
various
reasons,
will
not
be
at
the
next
plans
panel
meeting,
and
I
just
wonder
given
his
enthusiasm
for
this,
that
perhaps
we
ought
to
formally
resolve
something
at
this
point,
because
it
is
true
that
many
of
us
have
concerns
about
the
amount
of
time
it
takes
for
one
or
six
agreements,
and
I
think
developers
know
that
we
don't
really
chase
them
too
much.
C
Would
it
be
possible
for
the
chief
officer
to
give
us
a
brief
report
on
the
the
the
position
at
the
next
meeting,
and
I
think
it
might
be
useful
if
we
indicate
to
him
that
we
would
be
extremely
concerned
and
will
be
expecting
him
to
come
forward
with
some
sanction,
if
that's
the
best
way
to
describe
it
on
the
developers.
If
we
don't
get
something
sorted
out
by
the
summer,.
A
Thank
you,
colin
that
that's
useful.
I
was
about
to
suggest
something
similar
that
we
take
it
to
the
next
chairs
meeting
and
we
discuss
it
with
mr
feeney
and
possibly
do
as
you've
suggested
bring
a
report
back
to
the
panel.
I
think
we
do
need
that
report
back
to
the
panel,
but
the
way
you've
moved
that
and
I'm
sure
there
will
be
general
agreement.
A
I
think
we
can
proceed
in
that
direction
and
ask
for
a
report
at
the
next
meeting.
I
am
of
course
aware
that
peter
will
is
not
contesting
the
next
elections
and
I'll
have
more
to
say
about
that.
At
the
end,
elizabeth,
please.
L
I'm
just
logging
in
to
say
I'm
sorry,
I'm
late
to
the
meeting
for
some
reason,
my
computer,
wouldn't
let
me
in
I
telephoned
the
support
officer
and
she
couldn't
help
and
then
thankfully
debbie
oldham
did
get
me
in.
But
it's
taken
me
half
an
hour
to
join
this
meeting.
A
E
Wait
just
come
back
briefly
chair.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I'm
very
grateful
to
colin
and
members.
I
think
that's
the
right
thing,
but
I
only
use
the
northern
quadrant
as
an
extreme
example.
The
issue
really
is
this.
I
mean
the
secretary
of
state
is
proposing
a
number
of
planning
changes
and
we've
got
to
demonstrate.
We
are
as
fit
for
purpose
as
can
be
if
we
put
a
three-month
time
scale
on
section
106,
I
hazard
a
guess.
E
Perhaps
five
percent
are
made
within
three
months,
and
I
said
at
the
time,
if
you
think
three
months
is
unrealistic,
put
six
months
or
put
nine
months,
but
whatever
you
put
down
then
adhere
to
and
if
it
doesn't
be,
if
it
isn't
fixed
within
that
period,
as
colin
and
others
have
said,
come
back
to
panel
and
give
panel
the
opportunity
to
decide
what
else
they
might
want
to
do.
I
think
that's
fairly
straightforward
and
simple.
I
hope
I'll
leave
it
there.
Thank
you
chair,
thank.
A
You
peter
all
points
well
well
made
and
I
think
it's
a
general
agreement
of
the
panel
on
that
one.
I
will
still
put
her
on
the
chairs
mate
in
the
next
chairs
meeting.
But,
yes,
we
expect
an
updated
report
at
the
next
meeting.
I.
A
Yes,
peter's
law:
yes,
something
to
remember
you
by
not
that
you're
going
anywhere
around
we'd,
be
still
friends
and
we'll
still
have
interconnections
with
each
other,
I'm
sure.
Okay,
then,
can
we
move
on
then
to
item
eight,
and
could
I
invite
stuart
daniels
to
speak
on
this
report
stuart?
When?
Are
you
ready,
please?
D
Stuart
sorry
stuart
just
before
you
begin,
could
I
just
interject
with
a
reminder
for
members
that
we
are
now
obviously
in
purdue
period
after
the
elections
have
been
called
on,
the
6th
of
may
and
so
chair
and
legal
services
have
discussed
before,
and
it's
just
been
asked
for
legal
to
advise
members
that,
obviously
the
purpose
of
period
isn't
to
prevent
council
carrying
out
its
normal
business.
D
So
not
wishing
all
members
here
today
who
and
they
were
very
experienced
to
suck
eggs
in
any
way,
but
just
a
reminder
to
treat
this
as
a
normal
plans
panel
meeting,
but
be
mindful
in
the
debate
that
that
anything
that
you
say
that
could
amount
to
be
being
perceived
as
electioneering
should
be
avoided.
Please.
Thank
you
very
much.
Sorry.
Please
continue
with
the
presentation
now
sorry
about
that.
A
Thank
you,
phil
philbert,
that's
very
concise.
I
I
think
we
we
will
all
bear
that
in
mind.
No
politics
just
planning.
Thank
you
moving
on
then,
as
I
said
stuart.
Could
you
introduce
report
number
eight.
Please.
J
J
Sorry,
thank
you
at
the
former
heart
campus
of
leeds
city
college,
I'm
sure,
as
members
will
be
aware,
the
application
was
most
recently
deferred
at
the
end
of
february
plans
panel
for
the
reasons
outlined
in
the
report.
However,
to
summarize
the
majority
of
members
were
supportive
of
the
principle
of
development
and
did
see
improvements
in
the
scheme,
but
still
raised
some
concerns
with
the
design
of
certain
house
types
and
the
design
and
massing
of
the
apartment
block.
Therefore,
the
presentation
will
focus
on
these
points.
J
J
Thank
you.
So
this
first
slide
is
a
zoomed
in
block
plan
focusing
on
the
apartments
and
the
immediate
surrounding
area.
So
the
image
to
the
left
is
the
layout
that
members
commented
on
in
february,
with
the
right
hand,
image
showing
the
amended
layout,
the
one
that
is
now
before
you
guys.
As
can
be
seen,
there
is
now
a
very
clear
step
or
break
in
the
building
which
gives
the
appearance
of
breaking
up
the
form
of
the
building
into
two
distinct
sections.
J
J
So
these
next
series
of
slides
are
a
set
of
cgi
images
of
the
apartment
block,
with
this
particular
slide,
showing
the
previous
apartment
layout
at
the
top.
So
the
two
top
images
of
the
previous
layout
that
members
commented
on
and
their
current
counterparts
are
underneath.
J
J
So
this
cgi
image
shows
the
site
entrance
which
would
be
behind
you
with
the
apartment
block
to
the
right
and
the
cemetery
to
the
left.
The
stepping
the
building
can
be
seen
in
the
image.
Other
images
will
show
it
clearer
with
the
other
changes
to
the
apartment
blocks,
including
the
removal
of
stun
surrounds
from
the
windows
which
soften
the
overall
appearance
of
the
building.
The
dom
friends
have
also
been
reduced
in
thickness
and
render
has
also
been
added
to
the
top
third
of
the
building,
as
can
obviously
be
seen
in
that
image.
J
We'll
move
to
the
next
one.
Thank
you.
So
this
particular
image
is
taken
from
the
proposed
footpath
cycle
way
and
shows
the
step
in
the
building
much
clearer.
I
also
which
gives
the
appearance
of
two
buildings
rather
than
the
one
large
block
again.
The
changes
to
the
detailing
is
evident
in
this
image
with
which
improves
the
overall
design
of
the
building
next
slide.
Please.
J
So
this
particular
cgi
is
taken
looking
towards
the
car
park
and
the
rear
of
the
building
and
again
changes.
The
changes
are
evident
to
see
within
the
image
next
slide,
please.
J
So,
finally,
for
the
apartments,
this
is
a
longer
distance
view
showing
them
in
context
with
the
neighboring
dwellings.
So
the
apartment
block
is
just
behind
the
three
trees
that
you
can
see
there
with.
Obviously
the
house
types
next
to
them
and
move
to
the
next
one,
please
so
moving
on
to
the
house
types
themselves,
the
next
two
slides
will
again
show
previous
images
ones
that
members
commented
on
in
february
at
the
top
and
their
amended
images
below.
J
J
So
here
we
have
house
type
e2
on
the
left
and
house
type.
I
on
the
right
same
principle
as
before
as
previous
on
the
top
and
the
current
current
elevations
below
next
slide.
Please,
okay!
So
this
is
house
type
c
and
the
changes
to
this
one
has
been
the
removal
of
the
stone
surrounds
and
replacing
them
with
heads
and
sills,
which
emphasizes
the
proportions
of
the
windows,
ensuring
that
they
no
longer
appear
square,
which
was
some
concern
raised
last
time.
J
J
J
So
this
is
house
type
e2
and
the
changes
are
similar
to
house
type
c
because
they
are
very
similar
house
types.
So
it's
the
removal
of
the
stone
surrounds,
replacing
them
with
heads
and
cells,
and
the
bathroom
window
has
also
been
made
slightly
larger
to
better
for
better
proportions
and
next
slide,
please.
J
J
The
dormers
have
also
been
made
slimmer
to
sit
better
within
the
dwellings
and
and
overall
likes
her
better
visual
immunity.
Next
slide,
please
so
this
is
house
type
I
so
similar
house
type,
but
again
just
showing
the
changes
and
to
the
final
slide.
J
Thank
you.
So
this
final
slide
shows
close-ups
of
the
design
detailing
to
be
used
on
the
development.
These
include
the
string
cast
in
the
top
left
and
the
window
detailing
in
the
top
middle
well
on
the
top
right
as
well,
and
the
dharma
detailing
below,
as
well
as
the
all
the
detailings
that
can
be
seen.
J
Officers
feel
that
these
changes
to
the
house
types
address.
Members
concerns
with
regard
to
the
development
and
create
a
visually
pleasing
form
of
development,
changes
to
the
apartment
block
by
creating
step
in
the
building,
along
with
the
changes
of
the
dharmas
and
adding
the
render
significantly
improve
this
part
of
the
site,
and
it
gives
an
overall
soften
softens.
The
feel
of
the
building.
A
Sorry
I
was
muted.
Can
I
invite
questions
from
members?
Could
you
indicate
by
sean
you're
displaying
a
hand.
H
Can't
understand
why
I
seem
to
get
their
hand
up
first,
but
anyway.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
There's
a
point
I
would
like
to
ask
I've
got
quite
a
bit
to
say
on
the
comments
side
of
things,
but
on
page
24,
2.16,
the
last
paragraph.
H
J
L
Yes,
thank
you.
It
isn't
really
on
what
has
just
been
presented
to
us,
except
that
I
have
got
a
thing
about
front
doors
being
together,
because
for
two
reasons,
first
of
all,
it
doesn't
give
the
privacy
to
the
occupants.
L
Now
I
know
that
you
live
in
a
terrace
house
which
has
got
doors
together,
but
they
are
big.
Houses
are
bigger
than
these,
at
least
so
you
don't
have
that
problem
of
privacy,
but
in
my
own
world
I
have
had
problems
of
constituents
complaining
about
that,
and
also,
as
I
say,
if
the
houses
the
entrance
to
the
at
the
front
is
on
the
outside,
then
it
does
give
that
individuality.
A
You
elizabeth
council
wall
shop,
please.
I
Thanks
chair
yeah,
I
I
mean
look
at
the
presentation.
I
think
mata's
much
much
improved
in
terms
of
design,
which
is
like
the
the
apartment
block,
how
it's
differentiated
now
between
the
with
the
pitch
to
the
roads.
I
think
that's
imp,
good
improvement,
chair,
it's
good
to
see
people
listening
to
what
panel
has
to
say.
I
think
just
regarding
where
the
location
of
corridors
representing
an
area
where
we
have
a
very,
very
high
density
of
terraces.
I
We
tend
to
get
far
more
noise.
Complaints
from
properties
that
have
living
rooms
are
butting
onto
each
other.
If
you
like
chair,
you
know
where
the
corridors
are
together.
So
obviously
corridors
are
front
doors
together,
like
that
it
means
that
inevitably,
living
rooms
are
together
and
that's
where
we
get
the
majority
of
noise
complaints,
just
as
inside
I
think,
separated
from
front
doors
in
that
regard
is
is
good
design
in
terms
of
noise
performance
chair,
but
I'm
very
happy
with
things
in
an
appropriate
juncture.
I'd
like
to
move
the
recommendations.
A
Thank
you
neil.
I
like
all
the
acceptors
moving,
but
when
we
get
to
our
last
for
a
second
council
lati,
please.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
just
a
couple
of
comments.
Generally
speaking,
I
I
I
find
that
the
appearance
of
the
place
has
improved
no
end
so
last
time
it
was
quite
horrific.
H
I
think
it's
not
too
bad
this
time,
apart
from
those
incredibly
ugly
dormers,
and
it
just
raises
a
question
in
our
mind
when
people
apply
to
put
dorms
on
the
front
of
their
houses
as
an
addition,
we
say
dormer's
at
the
back
only,
but
we
we
seem
to
go
along
with
dormers
at
the
front
when
it's
a
new
build,
which
I
just
I
find
quite
rather
strange
and
the
no
no,
no,
not
the
anything
that
will
do.
That's
all
I
want
to
say
thank
you.
B
I
agree
with
graham
it's
a
vast
improvement
on
what
was
there
previous.
I
mean
the
apartment
block.
It
really
broke
it
up
by
doing
this,
so
I've
got
to
say
all
my
objections
I
had
the
last
meeting
to
it
seemed
to
have
gone.
F
Thank
you
chair.
I
just
want
to
to
add
my
agreement
with
the
last
few
speakers
that
I
think
it's
a
much
improved
scheme.
It
now
looks
as
if
somebody's
actually
thought
about
the
design
and
its
visual
appearance,
and-
and
it's
like
that
on
purpose,
so
I
must
say
I
think
it's
well
improved.
I
just
want
to
make
the
point
as
I
feel
it
is
a
shame
that
it's
had
to
come
back
twice
before.
F
We've
got
this
level
of
design
and
I
think
developers
need
to
be
looking
to
bring
this
this
quality
to
us.
In
the
first
instance.
I
do
agree
with
councillor
lassie's
comment
about
the
appearance
of
the
the
windows
in
the
roof.
They
look
like
little
dinky
toys
stuck
on,
don't
they,
but
that's
just
my
opinion,
and
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
people
have
really
thought
about
the
design
this
time
around.
So
I'm
happy
with
the
scheme
now.
A
Thank
you,
caroline.
It
reminds
me
of
the
workshop
we
had
yesterday
when
we
got
the
final
design,
improvement
and
members
comments
was
why
didn't
they
bring
that
to
us?
First
up,
you
know,
but
if
they
don't
well,
you
know
this
is
what
happens,
it's
deferred
and
it's
brought
back,
isn't
it
liz?
Are
you
wondering.
L
L
If
you
use
the
same
argument,
you
could
say
you
could
hear
children
rushing
up
and
down
the
stairs
thump
thump
thump.
No,
that's
not
good
enough.
Those
houses
should
be
sufficiently
insulated
so
that
there
is
no
noise
transmission
and
I
I
do
feel
very
strongly
about
doors
together
on
small
houses.
L
It
does
cause
problems
and
I've
had
them
and
have
to
deal
with
them.
So
I
ask
I'm
not
demanding,
but
I
asked
that
that
the
the
developers
are
asked
to
look
at
doing
proper,
semi-detached
houses,
and
I
I
should
have
added
like
everybody
else.
The
design
is
much
much
improved.
I
mean
my
comments
last
time
were
that
they,
the
block
of
flats,
looked
like
a
prison
block,
and
I
know
because
I
used
to
teach
in
a
prison,
but
there
you
go.
A
A
That
we
please,
I
take
you
as
the
second
of
that
we
agree
officer's
recommendation
and
if
I
can
go
through
the
voting
procedure,
one
by
one
as
usual,
so
you
have,
I
mean
their
choices
obviously
are
in
favor
against
our
abstentions,
starting
with
council
blackbird.
A
A
A
A
M
A
G
Yes,
thank
you.
Chair
panel
have
agreed
to
the
recommendation
in
the
offices
report.
J
I'm
sorry
that's
not
strictly
true.
I
did
also
abstain,
although
I
must
confess.
A
D
Just
before
you
move
on,
we've
got
a
a
caller
on
on
the
line.
How
are
p20
can?
Can
I
ask
you
to
identify
yourself?
Please.
A
Again,
paul
okay:
this
is
the
an
item
that
we've
lived
with
and
indeed
you've
heard
peter's
comments
regarding
non-signing
of
the
section
106,
but
it's
been
for
it's
before
planning
for
many
many
new
times,
and
quite
at
least
five
years
has
been
said,
and
I
think
it's
complicated
so
before
we
move
on
to
the
pre-op.
Can
I
invite
andrew
crates
please
to
give
us
an
overview
of
that
of
this
area
and
the
housing
proposed
andrew?
Please.
K
Thank
you
chair
and
yes,
you'll
have
seen
from
the
reports
and
obviously
the
substantial
item
is
the
pre-app,
but
as
part
of
the
context
to
that,
I've
tried
to
provide
members
with
a
bit
of
an
update
on
the
various
constituent
parts
of
the
easley's
extension.
So
perhaps
if
we
can
go
on
to
the
first
slide,
please.
K
That's
it.
Thank
you,
yeah
apologies.
The
the
slide
appears
to
be
somewhat
slightly
squashed,
and
but
members
do
have
a
copy
of
this
in
appendix
one
of
the
report.
That's
been
circulated
and
so
I'll
go
around
just
quadrant
by
quadrant
and
explain
where
matters
are
at
in.
In
simple
terms,
the
orange
areas
shown
on
the
the
diagram
are
the
areas
proposed
for
residential
development
as
part
of
the
eastleigh's
extension
and
starting
geographically
from
north
to
south.
K
If
we
start
with
red
hall,
which
is
the
subject
of
the
pre-application
inquiry
before
members
today,
so
that
is
the
area
between
the
existing
ring
road
and
the
a58
wetherby
road
and
largely
the
horticultural
nursery
that
was
used
by
the
city,
council
parks
and
countryside
department
before
they
move
to
windmill
grange
and
the
area
we
move
around
to
the
east.
Well,
then,
into
the
northern
quadrant,
which
is
the
area
between
the
a58
weatherby,
road
and
a64
york
road.
K
So
that's
that
long
arc
of
development
and
that's
the
planning
application
for
two
thousand
houses,
a
primary
school
and
a
local
center,
including
health
uses,
and
that's
the
application
that
council
grew
in
referred
to
earlier
and
and
it's
quite
correct.
That's
an
application
which
has
been
in
with
city
council
for
a
number
of
years
and
plans
panel
determined
to
resolve
to
to
approve
the
application.
K
The
section
106
agreement
has
been
in
or
ongoing
for
some
period
of
time,
as
nikki
mentioned
earlier.
We
are
nearly
there
and
I'm
conscious
that
I've
said
that
many
times
and
it's
not
that
there
are
points
of
disagreement
at
this
stage.
K
It's
very
much
trying
to
finalize
those
last
details,
but
we
are
I'd,
reassure
that
we
do
continue
to
try
and
move
things
along
and
as
quickly
as
possible
and
the
further
part
to
the
northern
quadrant,
which
is
a
small
area
on
the
form
of
bramley
gardens
home
site,
which
is
just
to
the
east
of
the
the
green
space
you
can
see
below
the
northern
quadrant
and
that's
the
site.
I
refer
to
in
the
report,
which
is
the
51
dwellings
by
strata
homes
and
that
that
particular
event
is,
is
an
advanced
stage
they've.
K
K
So
that
particular
scheme
is
for
875
houses
and
below
that
between
barrack
road
and
manson
lane
is
then
the
southern
quadrant
and
the
developer
team
is
very
much
largely
the
same.
The
same
people
and
working
together
on
those
schemes,
so
they've
very
much
been
proposed
hand-in-hand
with
one
another,
but
the
southern
quadrant
is
for
925
houses,
a
primary
school
and
a
local
center
again
with
with
health
uses
in
there.
K
So
it's
worth
just
picking
up
on
a
bit
of
policy
detail
before
we
move
on
to
the
the
pre-app
proper
and
it's
just
to
explain
the
position
in
respect
of
the
the
principle
and
again,
the
the
orange
areas
shown
on
here.
Except
for
for
grimes.
Like
all
of
the
the
easley's
extension
and
again,
the
e-law
is
shown
in
the
red
dashed
line
on
the
outside
and
of
of
the
easley's
extension
for
red
hall.
K
I
put
that
northern
and
you'll
see
there
are
some
orange
areas
allocated
for
housing
which
which
go
back
to
the
udp
and
also
a
pink
area
which
was
an
employment
allocation,
and
many
of
you
will
know
the
red
hall
site
and
be
aware
that
it
contains
the
grade
two
listed
red
hall
house
within
the
centre,
which
is
where
the
rugby
league
have
had
their
offices
until
very
recently.
There's
also
numbers
of
mature
trees
and
all
sorts
of
other
constraints,
and
the
effect
of
that
is
ultimately
that
the
site
isn't
deliverable
for
employment
purposes.
K
And
so
the
city
council
has
in
recent
times
proposed
that
that
site
the
allocated
housing
purposes
and
if
we
just
go
on
to
the
next
slide
for
a
moment,
please
I've
just
included
this
extract
from
the
site
allocations
plan,
which
shows
the
the
brown
shape
there
on
the
red
horse
side
and
you'll
see
that's.
That
was
the
area
proposed
for
housing
to
be
allocated.
K
That
brown
area
is
slightly
larger
than
the
pink
shape
you
saw
previously,
and
it
includes
a
rectangle
on
its
northern
side
and
that's
an
area
of
land
which
was
in
the
green
belt,
and
members
will
be
aware
of
the
high
court
order
and
the
remittal
to
the
secretary
of
state
and
so
for
this.
At
this
point
in
time,
the
allocation
is
to
be
treated
as
not
adopted.
K
So
therefore,
if
we
can
possibly
just
go
back
to
the
previous
slide,
so
we
fall
back
to
a
position
where
the
employment
allocation
is
is
effectively
what
is
allocated.
But
as
I
say,
it's
undeliverable
and
the
principle
of
housing
is
acceptable
on
this
site,
subject
to
all
normal
development
control.
Considerations
at
the
area
of
greenbelt
that
I
just
referred
to,
you'll
see
from
this
plan
actually
falls
outside
of
elo
is
to
the
north
of
it.
So
it
doesn't
in
any
way
affect
the
the
housing
proposal
which
will
be
before
members
this
afternoon.
K
So
I
thought
it
was
just
useful
to
quickly
take
you
through
that.
If
you
could
go
on
next
slide,
please
and
the
next
slide
again
and
I've
just
included
this
and
again
to
flash
out,
what's
already
been
given
to
members
in
the
report
in
terms
of
the
the
geography
and
know
much
of
it.
K
But
clearly
there's
the
the
council,
the
former
council
depot,
which
you
can
probably
make
out
there
by
the
number
of
glass
houses
which
have
since
been
demolished
and
removed,
and
I
think
the
slide
actually
picks
up
the
rugby
football
league
headquarters,
which
is
in
the
red
hall
house.
And
you
can
obviously
see
there.
The
red
hall
playing
fields
that
have
been
referred
to
and
to
the
south.
There's
an
area
of
cops
and
open
land
to
the
south
of
the
former
depot
area.
K
They're,
actually,
further
on
in
the
developers,
presentation
clearing
the
slides,
which
show
how
ee
law
cuts
through
the
site
to
the
south
of
the
established
woodland
and
runs
along
the
hedge
line
and
to
a
point
just
south
of
the
wellington
pub
and
in
terms
of
other
things.
To
mention.
I'm
aware
that
the
developer
has
been
engaging
with
local
residents
and
they've
been
undertaking
a
consultation
exercise,
and
as
part
of
that,
I'm
aware
that
some
residents
have
actually
contacted
me
directly
and
yourself
chair.
K
I
just
wanted
to
relay
one
of
those
letters
and
it's
actually
a
letter
from
16
residents
and
who
largely
resided
around
the
red
hall
lane
area
immediately
to
the
south
of
the
site
and
there
to
summarize
the
main
points
I
just
wanted
to
emphasize
the
importance
of
the
existing
land
for
recreation,
and
particularly
in
the
context
of
the
pandemic
and
the
increased
use
of
local
green
areas.
The
suggestion
of
pushing
development
east
was
to
create
a
better
setting
to
red
hall
house
and
to
retain
mature
trees.
K
The
suggestion
that
the
development
exceeds
the
350
units
indicated
in
the
sap
and
that
the
number
of
units
in
front
of
red
hall
should
be
reduced
from
to
reduce
to
50
from
66
concerns
about
traffic
and
a
missed
opportunity
to
tie
the
development
directly
into
the
e-law
junctions,
rather
than
taking
access
from
red
hall
lane
and
the
existing
ring
road.
K
I've
also
received
other
letters
and
again
they
make
this
point
about
the
the
number
of
houses
being
380
rather
than
the
350
and
and
there's
also
a
concern
about
running
through
the
development
and
that's
following
the
spine
road
from
the
ring
road
through
to
red
hall
lane
and
there's
also
some
other
points
about
the
relationships
between
existing
and
proposed
dwellings
and
we'll
take
those
up
in
detail
with
the
developer
as
as
matters
progress
and
just
to
comment
at
this
stage.
K
It
was
the
green
space
policy
g4
and
the
2014
core
strategy,
which
has
been
updated
by
the
2019
core
strategy,
selective
review,
which
is
now
much
more
finely
honed
towards
the
particular
needs
and
sizes
of
dwellings
in
a
given
development.
So,
generally
speaking,
it
actually
creates
often
more
developable
area.
So
it's
not
necessarily
unsurprising
that
that
you
could
actually
develop
more
houses
than
actually
indicated,
and
I
know
ultimately
it's
important
that
each
allocated
site
works
hard
in
terms
of
delivering
the
housing
requirement.
K
Further
point,
as
an
update
is
that
red
hall
house
in
the
report
I
mentioned
that
I
think
the
rugby
league
were
vacating
their
premises
and
the
new
owner
and
there's
a
relevance
to
this.
And
that's
one
of
the
concerns
from
residents
is
potential
traffic
generation
from
the
new
residential
development,
but
also
bearing
in
mind
what
might
happen
in
red
hall
house,
and
it
was
just
to
let
members
know
that
the
property
has
been
purchased
by
somebody
who
wants
to
use
it
for
a
a
private
medical
use.
K
So
it
would
actually
be
also
they've
indicated,
a
relatively
low
key
numbers
of
patients
and
and
therefore
a
relatively
low
level
of
of
traffic
generation.
But
of
course,
we've
yet
to
see
details
of
that.
But
that
might
might
help
members
just
in
terms
of
looking
at
the
context
of
traffic
later
on.
So
I
think
that's
really
everything
I
was
going
to
say
at
this
stage
and
I
was
on
to
hand
over
to
katie
mueller
and
mike
ashworth,
red
row.
A
Thank
you
andrew
good
background.
There
important
that
members
were
brought
up
to
date
on
that
at
this
stage,
can
I
invite
the
developers
to
make
that
presentation?
Please.
N
Good
afternoon,
everyone,
I'm
katie
miller
and
I'm
the
senior
land
manager
at
red
row,
yorkshire,
we're
delighted
to
have
been
selected
as
developer
by
lead
city
council
on
this
site,
and
I
just
wanted
to
take
a
few
minutes
to
talk
you
through
the
design
principles.
N
That's
taken
us
through
from
the
concept
through
engagement
to
the
detail
that
we're
presenting
here
today,
and
so,
if
you
move
on
to
the
first
slide,
please
so
start
off
with
the
red
row:
eight,
which
is
our
unique
set
of
place,
making
principles
that
we
use
in
order
to
create
thriving
communities
and
better
places
to
live
each
one
of
these
principles
aren't
new
principles
for
red
drawing
themselves,
but
we've
developed
this
formal
framework
so
that
we're
making
sure
we're
using
all
principles
in
all
developments
so
that
we
can
shape
the
design
and
create
places
that
offer
social
and
environmental
benefits
for
new
residents
on
the
existing
communities,
and
we
have
used
all
of
these
principles
in
red
hull.
N
So
I'll
just
run
you
through
them
now,
so
that
you
can
bear
in
mind
the
sorts
of
things
we've
been
looking
at.
So
we've
got
listen
to
learn,
which
is
about
listening
and
engaging
with
local
communities
and
stakeholders
at
an
early
stage
to
help
shape
the
shared
vision
for
the
sites.
N
Then
we've
got
homes
for
all,
which
is
about
sustainable
and
socially
cohesive
communities
with
a
wide
range
of
house
types
and
for
different
people
and
then
finally
build
to
impress
which
is
about
creating
beautiful
and
distinctive
homes
and
just
the
essence
that
making
people
proud
to
belong
to
that
community
and
to
live
where
they
live.
So,
if
you
move
on
to
the
next
slide,
please
so
at
a
very
early
stage.
N
In
this
process,
we
were
presented
with
a
planning
brief
by
leeds
city
council,
which
took
into
account
site
constraints,
key
views
in
the
area,
local
and
national
planning
policy,
and
it
it
gave
us
an
indicative
development
framework
that
we
could
shape
our
design
around.
So
in
this
instance
it
you
know
it
tells
about
the
scale
of
development.
Points
of
access
for
the
development
showed
us
where
the
e-law
is
going
to
be
and
also
existing
features
on
sites
such
as
the
trees,
which
you
can
see
clearly
on
this
plan.
N
N
We
have
carried
out
a
number
of
developer
workshops
with
ward
members
and
also
been
speaking
at
community
forums
just
to
start
gathering
people's
opinions
about
development
on
this
site.
It
became
clear
very
early
on
that
green
space
was
absolutely
key
to
this
development.
The
fields
to
the
east
are
a
really
important
local
asset,
and
anything
we
do
on
this
site
should
enhance
the
character
and
sense
of
place.
N
N
So
this
was
the
concept
master
plan
that
we
came
up
with
and
you
can
see
there's
space
the
green
space
wraps
right
around,
and
that
was
because
we
wanted
to
be
sensitive
to
existing
residents
on
red
hall.
Lane
give
them
a
sense
of
openness.
N
We've
got
the
space
around
red
hull
house
to
respect
the
character
of
the
listed
building,
and
then
we've
got
the
openness
along
the
a58
just
to
retain
the
views,
so
it's
not
overly
dominant
compared
to
how
it
is
existing
and
there's
also
a
public
right-of-way
which
runs
through
the
site
which
we've
retained
and
we've
also
enhanced
by
creating
a
whole
network
of
cycleways
and
footways
and
there's
a
proposed
trail
all
around
the
edge
of
the
site,
as
well
as
interconnected
footpaths
and
cycleways
throughout,
and
then
their
orange
buildings
are
listed
building,
so
there's
red
whole
house
in
the
center,
which
is
outside
of
the
development.
N
But
then
the
smaller
orange
buildings
are
listed
by
association
to
red
hall
house
and
we're
proposing
to
convert
those
into
residential
dwellings
and
take
them
back
to
their
original
use.
So
next
slide,
please
so
in
tandem
with
the
concept
master
plan,
we've
also
worked
up
this
green
infrastructure
opportunities
plan.
As
andrew
said
previously.
N
I
think
the
pandemics
made
us
all
really
value
our
open
spaces
and
it's
become
so
important
for
people's
mental
and
physical
well-being
and
people
have
become
so
appreciative
of
the
green
spaces
that
are
on
the
doorstep,
and
I
think
that
is
one
thing
that's
going
to
carry
on
after
this
pandemic's
over,
so
the
landscape
master
plan,
utilizes
different
landscaping,
typologies
on
street
scenes
with
wildflower
planting
and
buffer
planting
to
try
and
enhance
biodiversity
at
retro.
N
We
are
committed
to
delivering
biodiversity
net
gain
and
we
have
working
partnerships
with
the
wildlife
trust
and
the
bumblebee
conservation
trust,
and
they
provide
help
with
our
biodiversity
strategies
throughout
an
application
like
this
one,
just
more
specific
to
red
hull
we've
got
proposals
for
an
informal
kick
about
area
and
so
that
it's
kind
of
less
formal,
more
sort
of
jumpers
for
goal
person
running
around
and
we've
got
an
area
for
that.
N
And
then
we
have
proposed
a
community
orchard
which
we
think
is
a
really
attractive
asset
visually,
but
also
something
that
people
can
engage
with
and
present
foraging
opportunities.
There
is.
We
can
provide
either
equipped
areas
of
play,
either
in
one
area
or
as
sort
of
play
on
the
way,
with
natural
obstacles
and
things
around
the
fitness
trail.
So
there's
lots
of
different
things,
we're
proposing
to
do
here
and
it's
all
things
that
that
people
can
really
engage
with
throughout
the
community.
N
If
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
these
are
just
some
images
of
other
retro
developments
and
just
showing
sort
of
the
public
areas
and
different
sorts
of
planting.
We
can
use
onto
the
next
slide,
please
so
for
our
public
consultation
exercise,
we
would
have,
in
the
past,
done
an
open
event
and
being
able
to
talk
to
people
face
to
face
and
show
them
plans
and
answer
questions.
N
In
the
absence
of
that
we've
carried
out
an
extensive
leaflet
drop,
so
we've
posted
just
short
of
1500
leaflets
to
local
people,
and
we've
also
sent
the
leaflets
out
to
neighbour
and
parish
council
so
that
they
can
put
it
on
the
website
and
just
try
and
reach
as
many
people
as
possible.
N
This
is
supported
by
a
micro
site
on
johnson
malik's
website,
which
gives
a
little
bit
more
information
again
and
gives
people
the
opportunity
to
comment
on
the
plans.
Mark
will
talk
in
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
the
responses
we've
received
through
that,
but
just
to
touch
on
what
andrew
said
before
one
of
the
big
things
that's
come
up
is.
There
is
local
concern
about
rat
running
through
the
development
from
red
hall
lane
to
the
ring
road
and
obviously
that's
something
we
want
to
discourage
as
well.
N
We
will
be
led
largely
by
highways
on
this
and
on
transport
consultations.
However,
there
are
things
we
can
do
in
the
design
of
the
scheme.
Things
like
vertical
street,
calming
different
surface
treatments,
home
zones
and
20
mile
an
hour
limits
to
try
and
discourage
that
and
make
it
so
that
it's
not
a
usable
rat
run,
but
that
will
all
come
out
through
consultation
and
in
the
larger
detail
of
the
design.
N
So
this
brings
us
finally
to
our
proposed
layout,
which
this
is
showing
the
detail
now,
and
I
just
want
to
make
the
point
that
the
public
consultation
is
still
ongoing
and
clearly
we
have
this
pre-app
now,
so
we
develop
this
design
using
all
the
proceeding
principles.
I've
just
spoken
about,
but
you
know
we're
still
open
to
listening
to
comments
from
the
pre-app
and
from
the
public
and
making
any
changes
that
are
necessary.
N
It
addresses
leed
city,
council,
housing
policies
in
terms
of
mix
and
space
standards
and
accessibility
and
affordability,
and
it's
got
a
broad
range
of
house
types
from
one
to
five
beds
and
from
apartments
to
detached
homes.
So
that's
all
from
me.
Thank
you
for
listening
I'll
pass
you
over
to
mark
who
will
just
speak
a
bit
more
about
the
public
consultation
and
any
planning
and
policy
points
and
then
we'd.
Welcome
your
questions.
A
M
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
I'm
not
gonna
sort
of
go
at
length
on
this
on
the
basis
that
cases
describe
the
proposals.
I
think
really
well
alongside
andrew's
comments,
and
I
think
what
I
wanted
to
just
pick
up
on
is
that
we've
been
having
the
consultation
live
on
the
website.
M
Now,
for
a
number
of
weeks,
we've
actually
had
as
many
good
responses
as
what
we've
had
negative,
and
I
know
we
do
many
consultations,
but
this
is
one
of
those
where
we're
actually
getting
some
glowing
responses
that
relate
to
the
around
green
space,
and
I
think
it's
helpful
in
that
respect
that
we
just
bear
that
in
mind.
The
other
key
points
that
have
been
referenced
to
us
in
this
particular
case
is
that
the
rat
running
point-
and
I
know
it
may
be
a
debate
now
for
the
members.
M
Other
points
that
we
pick
up
on
are
largely
loss
of
trees
and
again
that's
been
touched
upon
because
we
can
mitigate
the
loss
of
trees
and,
I
think
there'll
be
a
lot
of
tree
planting
to
go
in
up
alongside
the
new
e-law
roundabouts
and
in
fact
some
of
the
loss
of
trees
actually
takes
place
under
the
e-law
scheme.
So
it's
the
e-law
scheme
that
tends
to
be
removing
a
lot
of
the
trees
as
opposed
to
the
development
itself,
but
on
the
policy
side.
Well,
I
think
so
far.
M
M
But
what
I
would
say
is
that,
because
the
mix
changes
we
ought
not
to
be
getting
too
hung
up
on
the
numbers,
because
at
the
moment
there
is
a
broad
range
of
apartments,
smaller
dwellings
and
larger
dwellings.
So
the
number
itself
shouldn't
be
a
fixation.
Actually,
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
make
sure
we've
got
good
design
and
that
then
drives
the
numbers
rather
than
letting
the
numbers
drive
the
design.
A
Thank
you
mark.
Thank
you.
Katie
for
that
presentation.
Can
I
invite
members
to
ask
questions
now
by
showing
their
hands
and
I
can
see
counselor
caroline
groom
first.
F
Thank
you
chair.
I've
got
a
few
comments
to
make
later,
but
I
there
are
two
specific
questions
that
I'd
like
to
ask
the
presenters.
Please.
You
mentioned
katie
the
range
of
house
styles
and
I
welcome
that
notion
to
have
a
lot
of
different,
but
obviously
complementary
house
styles
together
in
the
in
the
one
development,
particularly
since
it
is
so
big.
Can
I
ask
you
if
any
of
those
house
styles
have
been
purposely
designed
or
are
they
from
existing
pattern
books?
F
And
the
second
question
I
have
is,
I
think
I
did
spot
one
vehicle
parked
on
the
on
the
street
scene
in
front
of
a
house.
My
question
is:
will
the
garages
be
actually
large
enough
to
fit
cars
in
and
will
vehicles
be
parked
in
front
of
and
obscuring
houses
on
the
roadside.
M
Well
I'll
leave
kitchen
to
come
in,
but
I
think
I
think,
first
of
all
on
the
house
types
again.
It's
obviously
coming
from
the
red
rose
suite,
but
there
is,
in
this
particular
case
apartment
areas
that
will
be
not
necessarily
unique,
but
they
have
been
designed
and
located
at
central
locations
to
reflect
local
circumstances.
So
I
think,
as
is,
as
is
the
case
with
a
lot
of
the
red
road
development
needs
currently,
is
that
they
are
developing
a
house
type
in
certain
designs
that
is
relatively
local
to
its
circumstances.
M
Bearing
in
mind
this
is
an
edge
of
urban
area.
Main
urban
area-
and
I
think
rightly,
some
of
the
car
parking
point
is
that
the
garage
is
a
raw
to
the
new
specification
from
the
council's
expectation
of
63
in
terms
of
meters
dimension.
So
you
can
adequately
park
a
car
and
there
is
space
there
for
a
bicycle.
M
N
It's
covered
that
off
really
well
yeah,
I'd
just
point
out
that
they
are
taken
from
a
suite
of
retro
house
types,
but
we
pick
them
appropriate
to
that
setting
and
we
elevate
them
differently,
and
this
range
that
we're
proposing
here
do
fit
in
really
well
with
the
local
vernacular
and
the
styles
that
are
existing
in
the
area.
L
Well,
thank
you.
I'm
looking
at
the
diagram
on
page
30
on
the
pack
that
we've
received,
and
I
note
that
there
there
are
a
lot
of
trees
to
be
planted
along
the
northern
boundary
of
the
site.
L
N
Yes,
so
we
have
got
buffer
planting,
as
you
rightly
say,
along
the
elo
boundary,
but
as
part
of
our
planning
application.
We
are
also
working
up
an
acoustic
report
which
will
then
advise
us
on
what
we
need
to
do
extra
in
those
areas
and
that
acoustic
report,
of
course,
we'll
do
modeling
for
what
is
to
come.
N
That's
not
what
is
there
currently
and
because,
obviously,
the
e-law
isn't
quite
in
use
yet
so
yes,
those
factors
are
being
considered
and
it
will
be
something
that
comes
out
further
along
the
line
with
the
detail.
B
Thanks
chair,
you
mentioned
about
rat,
rolling
and
20
mile
an
hour
zones
and
that
surely
looking
at
that,
the
oil
estate
being
an
housing
neighborhood
if
it's
to
fit
fit
with
policy
and
fit
with
intentions
of
what
elite
city
council
has
for
the
future,
we'll
be
at
20
mile
an
hour
zone
and
I
would
have
fought
any
access
through.
Would
they
therefore
require
highways
engineers?
Can
you
comment
on
that?
Please.
N
Please
yeah
we
so
we've
designed
our
scheme,
as
you
see
in
front
of
you,
but
we
still
have
the
highways
to
consult
with,
so
we
know
that
we
will
be
largely
led
by
what
they
say
in
terms
of
the
traffic
modeling
and
everything
again
with
e-law
not
being
in
use.
Yet
there
is
some
sort
of
forward
modeling
to
do
to
see
how
that
will
affect
junctions
as
well,
but
we
will.
We
are
expecting
to
be
very
much
led
by
highways.
N
C
Thank
you
chair.
A
couple
of
questions.
Can
I
just
ask
one
and
then
I'll
ask
the
other
one
where
the
the
current
public
right
of
where
whereabouts
does
it
go.
N
It
goes
off
up
to
the
north,
is
it
towards
shadwell?
I
have
to
say
I
don't
know
the
specifics
on
that.
I
can
certainly
look
into
it.
C
Really,
I
suppose
the
the
caroline
touched
on
it
in
this.
This
comment
about
garages
and
whether
the
carriage
is
big
enough
to
get
the
car
in
which,
as
you
know,
is
it
something
I
regularly
comment
on.
But,
as
we
know,
people
use
their
garage
for
other
things,
so
actually
they
tend
to
park
all
over
the
place.
C
C
C
Our
current
thinking
seems
to
be
these
days
that
we
separate
pedestrian
stroke,
cyclists
from
the
road
network,
and
how
do
you
propose
to
do
that,
because
I
can't
really
see
anything
on
here
that
that
indicates
anything
other
than
the
traditional
road
pattern.
N
So
your
first
point
about
parking
again:
our
garages
are
the
correct
space.
Standards
will
also
be
driveway
parking,
so
it
is
through
design
that
we're
trying
to
stop
people
parking
elsewhere
when
it
comes
to
parking
on
pavements.
N
I
guess
you
know
it
comes
to
a
certain
point
where
we
can't
dictate
where
people
park
the
cars.
All
we
can
do
is
offer
them
enough
space
within
their
own
cartilage
and
we'll
strive
to
do
that
on
your
other
point,
with
the
connectivity
of
footpaths
and
cycleways.
N
So
I
think,
with
the
with
the
application,
there
will
be
more
detailed
plans.
If
you
can
see,
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
on
the
scheme
with
the
scale
of
it,
but
this
the
footpath
and
cycle
links
are
completely
separate
to
the
highways
and
the
roads
and
the
cul-de-sacs
there's
it
showed
in
dotted
lines
on
the
concept
master
plan
right
around
the
edge
and
there's
a
network
of
them
specifically
in
the
eastern
parcel
they're,
probably
a
bit
clearer
on
their
concept
plan.
N
Thank
you,
so
the
dotted
lines
and
there's
a
loop
next
to
the
a58.
That's
that's
what
the
footprints
look
like
and
the
dotted
line
carries
around
the
eastern
parcel
around
the
kickabout
area
and
right
around
the
western
side
to
create
a
one
kilometer
loop,
so
yeah.
I
think
that
plan
shows
a
bit
clearer
than
the
detail
plan.
C
Sorry
was
actually
referring
to
all
the
streets,
not
just
a
cycle
route
through
the
site
yeah,
because
separating
the
cyclists,
pedestrian
and
the
car
seems
to
be
the
only
way
to
keep
them
all
safe,
and
I
I'm
I'm
not
sure
that
I
I
really
understand
the
comment
about
the
design
of
the
the
estate
preventive
pavement
parking.
C
M
Chair
just
coming
at
that
point
I
mean
this
is
a
tough
one,
isn't
it
because
in
effect,
we've
been
asked
to
create-
and
this
is
no
criticism
of
anybody
on
this
call-
we've
been
asked
to
create
sort
of
the
greener
streets
with
the
verges
and
then
comply
with
the
parking
standards
of
the
council,
which
hopefully
pick
up
on
this
point,
is
that
there
is
adequate
parking
on
plot,
not
just
in
the
garage
but
on
the
plot
itself
and
therefore,
in
this
particular
case,
you'll
see
when
we
get
into
the
detailed
design
is
that
most
of
the
houses,
if
not
all,
of
the
houses,
will
have
a
parking
places
in
addition
to
the
garages.
M
But
the
purpose
of
the
green
verges
are
to
install
a
rather
healthy,
looking
green
environment
and-
and
I
fully
understand
counselor
campbell's
point-
is
that
how
do
you
then?
Having
created
these
reimburses,
stop
people
parking
on
them?
Well,
what
would
hope
that
the
neighborhood
itself
will
be
relatively
self-policing,
because
if
you've
got
a
nice
green
verge
outside
your
house,
you
don't
want
anybody
parking
on
it,
but
it's
it's
not.
It's
not
a
point.
M
That's
going
to
be
easily
resolvable,
because
the
only
way
to
stop
people
parking
on
these
lovely
green
verges
is
actually
not
to
put
the
green
verges
in
the
first
place,
but
that
that
spoils
the
the
design
point.
So
it
won't
work,
sadly
against
the
other.
But
we
do
take
the
point
on
board.
It's
just
about
how
a
development
manages
itself.
C
I
think
I
might
dispute
the
fact
that
you,
you
can't
do
anything
with
the
green
verge
to
stop
people
parking
on
it.
As
you,
as
you
say,
it
is
a
problem
and
the
idea
that
estates
are
self-policing
is
not
born
out
in
reality.
C
So,
for
example,
you
could
plant
a
hedge
in
it
which
certainly
slows
people
down,
probably
may
not
stop
them,
but
certainly
slows
down
or
limits
their
ability
to
park,
and
I
think
it's
just
simple
design
tweaks
that
make
it.
C
I
don't
mind
people
parking
on
the
road
which
seems
sensible
if
you're,
not
if
you
can't
be
or
you're,
not
able
to
reverse
into
the
garage,
but
I
don't
like
the
idea,
which
is
has
become
prevalent,
of
parking
effectively,
not
parking
on
the
road
but
parking
on
the
pavement
or
the
grass
verge.
So
I
I'm
simply
flagging
that
up,
because
it
would
be
nice
to
have
a
look
at
that
before
we
get
to
the
detailed
application.
N
Yeah
something
we
can
look
at,
I
think
in
terms
of
we
have
talked
about
street
street
planting
along
street
scenes
and
that
also
helps
with
traffic
calming
if
you've
got.
If
you've
got
a
treat
area
of
both
sides
of
the
green
verge
it
does,
it
has
shown
it
that
you
know
it's
proven
that
it
does
all
this
subconsciously,
slow
people
down,
because
they
realize
they're
in
a
built
up
area
and
the
trees.
Are
there
so
and
certainly
something
we
can
look
at.
I
Thanks
chair,
well,
I
think
we're
showing
the
utility
of
pre-apps
chair.
This
is
a
really
good
discussion.
So
far,
there's
clearly
a
lot.
That's
very
good!
In
this
application.
I
think
the
wraparound
green
space
approach
is
really
is
really
super
promising.
I
think
there
are
some
design
quandaries,
though
chair,
and
these
are
good
problems
to
have
to
solve.
Aren't
they
I
mean
we
certainly
want
to
encourage
cycle
movement
and
segregation
of
cyclists
is,
is
the
better
way
just
wanna
appreciate.
I
I
I
We
all
want
to
see
a
strong
approach
to
to
carbon
reduction
or
even
elimination,
we're
living
in
a
climate
emergency
now
and
that's
how
the
basis
will
be
taking
planning
decisions
now
yeah.
We
need
to
see
that
generation
on
site.
All
that
kind
of
thing
materials
first
approach
to
decarbonizing
is
excellent.
Don't
get
me
wrong,
but
if
you
please
see
some
some
innovation
here
it
is,
it
is
a
marquee
site.
After
it's
an
important
location,
I'm
cycling
with.
We
we've
touched
upon
in
terms
of
housing
design.
I
Obviously,
what
there's
red
hall
there
you
want
to
be
appropriate.
I'm
sure
you
want
to
do
a
fantastic
job.
It's
always
a
little
bit
concerned
about
peripheral,
sights,
bringing
about
sort
of
more
sort
of
john
bettermanesque
enforced
metroland,
which
we
don't
want
to
see
want
to
see
something
site
appropriate,
which
I'm
sure
you've
got
in
in
your
design
lockers.
But
we
have
had
issues
I
don't
think
with
with
youtubers,
but
I
have
issues
with
with
red
robe
before
in
coming
with.
I
You
know,
tweet
designs
in
a
contemporary
area,
so
we
don't
want
to
see
a
repeat
of
that,
but
this
is
a
different
location.
I
appreciate,
but
it's
just
to
flag
up
those
things.
We
really
want
a
quality
development
here
and
also
we
want
to
see
a
variety
of
housing
types
and
we
you
know,
and
for
the
affordable
housing
contribution.
We
want
to
see
that
in
terms
of
design
blind
as
it
were,
you
know
you
can't
tell
what
are
the
the
the
affordables
and
what
are
not,
but
it's
it's
really
promising.
I
So
far,
I
really
really
like
your
approach
to
green
space.
I
think
it's
really
good.
It's
true
and
it's
good
for
the
neighbors
as
it
were,
for
existing
existing
families
and
communities
there.
I
think
that's
a
really
positive
approach,
so
I'm
not
surprised
you're,
getting
good
consultation
responses
thanks.
K
Thank
you
chair.
It
was
just
to
pick
up
councillor
campbell's
earlier
point
about
the
public
right-of-way
the
claiming
way
across
the
site,
and
it's
just
actually
runs
from
the
end
of
red
hall
lane
and
it
runs
northwards
in
front
of
red
hall
itself
and
over
e-law
and
e-law
has
actually
been
designed
with
a
footbridge
at
that
point
which
comes
into
the
site.
K
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Pastor
walshaw
mentioned
quality
development
and
from
what
red
rose
and
from
the
look
of
the
of
the
layout
here,
that's
what
they
are.
That's
what
they're
aiming
for,
but
I
think
it's
rather
rather
sad
that
we
get
we
get
these
layouts
presented
to
us
and
I
think
that
regimented
is
it
falls
into
mind.
I
mean
these
are
slightly
wavy
lines
of
houses
and
I
I
just
wonder
why
we
cannot
have
houses
which
are
not
in
regimented
rows.
H
Well,
we
have
houses
across
corners
where
some
are
set
at
angles
to
others.
It
surely
doesn't
alter
the
cost
of
building
the
place
a
great
deal.
If
you
do
introduce
a
little
bit
of
variation
and
people,
people
are
happier
and
look
after
their
houses
and
their
places
better
when
they
feel
that
they're
individual,
an
individuality
comes
with
your
house
not
being
totally
like
the
one
next
door.
H
That
would
be
well
worth
considering
and,
of
course,
you
wouldn't
expect
me
to
to
speak
without
mentioning
the
fact
that
you've
got
350
houses
a
lot
of
chimney
in
sight,
your
money
for
chimneys.
For
me
in
geisley,
you
should
be
able
to
manage
them
here
this
area,
because
that's
going
to
be
a
huge
plain,
roofscape
unbroken
boredom.
H
It
just
needs
something
to
give
it
a
lift.
A
more
practical
point
here,
you
you,
you
talk
about
having
a
route
around
the
outside,
walking
cycling
route.
Would
that
be
lighted
because
nowadays
we're
getting
very,
very
conscious
of
the
fact
that
walking
in
the
dark
isn't
the
pleasure
it
once
might
have
been
and
that
other
people
with
evil
intentions
might
be
doing
the
same
thing?
So
I
just
wonder
whether
your
plan
is
to
make
it
a
safe,
walk
around
the
site.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
graeme
katie,.
N
Yeah,
I'm
on
their
footpath
point.
That's
a
really
good
point
about
lighting.
We
are
in
sort
of
the
very
early
stages
of
the
detail,
and
so
that's
something
I
can
certainly
flag
up
and
we
have
been
careful
to
provide
positive
aspects
to
footpaths,
so
they
do
have
natural
surveillance.
But
I
take
your
point
that
at
night
time
it
needs
to
feel
a
safe
area
to
be
so
we'll
we'll
flag
that
up.
Thank
you.
M
M
E
I
just
want
to
be
the
first
when
it
comes
to
comments:
okay,
okay,.
A
I
will
I
will
do
that
I'll
honor.
That
pledge
can
we
move
on
to
comments.
Then
I
think
we've
exhausted
questions
and
can
I
invite
council
peter
groom
to
make
the
first
comment.
Please.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much
and
unsurprisingly,
I've.
Quite
quite
a
few
comments
about
this.
E
I've
been
involved
in
this
venture
in
east
leeds
for
probably
12
years,
and
I
want
to
say
that
in
our
early
discussions
on
the
northern
quadrant,
it
became
obvious
that,
in
our
view,
e
law
was
never
going
to
happen
not
to
a
timely
and
to
a
quality
way,
and
so
the
council
made
a
very
brave
and
correct
decision
to
take
the
lead
and
to
fund
and
to
then
design
and
build
e-law
and
gain
back
the
money
through
a
roof
tax.
E
And
if
we
had
gone
on
site
today
and
I
hope
soon,
you
will
be
able
to
return
to
site
visits.
You
would
have
seen
that
e-law
is
probably
a
year
into
its
construction
with
another
12
months
or
so
it
will
be
finished,
and
the
great
thing
about
that
is,
it
will
probably
be
finished
before
too
many
houses
are
actually
built
so
that
construction,
traffic,
etc
etc
will
not
obstruct
residents
residents.
I'm
aware
will
be
watching
on
youtube,
and
quite
rightly
I
mean
we
absolutely
insisted
that
public
consultation
has
to
be
part
of
this.
E
At
this
stage
and
credit
to
mark
and
the
developers,
I
think,
to
drop
more
than
1500
leaflets
is
commendable
and
to
then
seriously
look
at
the
results
and
let
that
inform
the
design
is
also
good.
But
I
just
want
to
say
to
colleagues
remember
what
andrew
said
at
the
beginning.
E
And
so
I
say
to
you:
when
you
come
back
to
the
detail,
you
can't
just
look
at
this
site
in
isolation.
You
have
to
say
to
yourselves
as
we
as
ward
members
have
done,
and
by
the
way
this
is
not
just
cross
gates.
Ward
members,
you
know
the
war
members
around
there,
we've
all
cooperated
together,
and
we
know
that
the
facilities
that
come
along
with
such
a
huge
development.
E
Requires
cooperation
across
the
different
geographical
segments,
you
can't
have
a
health
center
in
each
one.
You
can't
have
a
school
in
each
one.
You
need
to
cooperate
and
say:
where
is
the
best
place,
and
how
do
you
then
all
contribute
to
that
and
that's
a
really
important
point.
I
want
to
leave
with
my
colleagues.
E
I
understand
mark's
point
he's
right
in
terms
of
apartments
and
things,
and
it
is
more
important
that
the
layout
is
appropriate
and
not
cramped
and
in
that
sense,
the
area
to
the
east,
where
the
green
spaces
that
cancer
wars
are
loaded,
and
I
think
it
is
again
the
proof
the
pudding
will
be
in
the
eating.
E
It
is
such
a
valuable
sight
that
we
actually
wanted
to
be
high
quality,
green
space
and
the
orchard,
and
all
the
other
things
that
are
mentioned
are
absolutely
critical.
We
don't
just
want
a
few
benches
and
a
bit
of
open
space
and
a
couple
of
tulips
and
a
few
trees,
and
that's
it.
It
actually
has
to
be
a
proper
green
space
and
I
believe,
firmly
believe
that
developers
and
their
agents
and
ward
members
want
to
achieve
that.
E
And
so
I
think
all
of
that
is
going
to
be
very
useful.
There
is
a
red
line
for
us
as
ward
members
in
terms
of
traffic,
and
we
have
said
from
the
very
beginning.
We
do
not
see
this
being
a
through
traffic
route
from
wetherby
road
through
the
whole
of
the
development
down
to
the
existing
ring
road,
and
the
reason
for
that
is.
E
We
have
seen
the
rat
running
that
residents
along
the
other
side
of
red
hall
lane
and
coal
road
have
had
to
suffer
for
years
and
years
and
years,
and
I
just
ask
you
to
be
exceptionally
vigilant
in
what
highways
propose,
because
I
am
not
confident
that
in
this
age
the
residents
needs
come
before
the
commuters
needs.
As
far
as
highways
are
concerned,
ward
members-
they
have
a
total
red
line,
it
is
for
the
benefit
of
residents
and
not
through
traffic.
E
E
If,
for
no
other
reason,
public
health
need
to
take
their
proper
place
around
the
planning
table
and
input-
and
I
know
from
my
membership
of
the
local
care
partnership
in
cross
gates-
I've
been
able
to
steer
that
into
a
east
leeds
extension
subgroup
and
there's
a
lot
of
health
input
happening.
That
andrew
is
now
aware
of
and
benefiting
from,
but
we
want
to
see
across
the
four
different
segments
proper
public
health
facilities
I
mentioned
at
the
beginning.
There
are
15
000
new
residents.
E
They
can't
be
accommodated
by
being
run
from
surgeries
in
cross
gates.
There
needs
to
be
a
proper
public
health
solution
and,
finally
chair.
I
want
to
offer
a
challenge
both
to
redraw
and
perhaps
to
neil-
and
I
hope
neil
is
still
here
in
terms
of
the
climate
change
agenda.
E
It
seems
to
me
that
this
is
a
development
the
council
wall
show
and
his
committee
could
adopt
if
that's
the
right
word
or
cooperate
with,
and
actually
see
that,
alongside
the
quality
design
that
caroline
and
colleen
and
others
talk
about,
we
also
get
the
carbon
neutrality
and
the
climate
change
input
that
we
desperately
need.
E
I
think
this
is
well
on
its
way.
It's
a
it's
a
good
development.
It
has
huge
potential
and
I'm
very
glad
that,
after
12
years
of
work
on
this,
I
can
at
least
see
the
first
part
of
it
come
to
panel
and
I'm
confident
that
you
will
do
what
you
always
do
and
put
additional
value
onto
what
is
presented
to
you,
but
I'll
leave
it
in
your
good
hands.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you
peter,
and
I
think
council
wallshore
is
about
to
take
up
that
challenge
I'll
bring
him
in
in
a
minute
peter.
I
will
talk
about
the
end,
but
although
you
won't
be
at
the
next
meeting
or
future
meetings,
I'm
pretty
sure
when
this
application
comes
back
before
us
for
determination,
you'll
be
amongst
the
local
residents
speaking
either
for
or
against,
depending
on
what's
before
us,
I'm
sure
that
will
happen.
A
I
Oh,
thank
you
very
much
chair
a
challenge
accepted.
I
think
I
think
this
would
be
an
excellent
development
to
keep
an
eye
on
it
and
and
being
involved
in
on
a
consultative
basis
as
councillor
and
suggesting
it's
an
excellent
idea.
These
these
extensions
incredibly
important
as
a
city.
It's
a
big
strategic
objective
that
council
groans
held
there
for
many
years
and
it
could
see
it
started
to
come
fruition
and
we
need
to
take
that
forward
in
a
on
the
basis
of
keeping
the
climate
emergency
at
the
forefront
of
our
minds
at
all
times.
A
Thank
you,
neil
caroline
councillor,
caroline
groom,
please.
F
Thank
you
chair.
I've
heard
about
the
redroad
placemaking
policies
before
and
I
I
very
much
welcome
them
and
I
think
it's
really
well
thought
through,
and
so
that
was
a
really
good
start
to
the
presentation.
F
Like
others
have
already
mentioned.
I
like
the
green
space
layout
and
ideas.
I
accept
that
it
might
need
to
be
adjusted
as
time
goes
on,
with
deliveries
in
mind
and
so
on,
but
plenty
of
green
space
imaginatively
laid
out.
I
like
the
suggestion
of
a
broad
range
of
house
styles,
and
I
like
the
provision
for
cycling
and
exercise
and
walking
and
all
of
those
things
that
we've
been
talking
about
in
recent
months,
that
design
a
place
to
live.
F
F
That's
had
to
come
to
plans
panel
three
times
and
has
now
just
reached
a
standard
which
we
feel
is
acceptable,
not
outstanding,
not
iconic,
but
acceptable,
and
I
think
it's
a
shame
that
it's
had
to
come
three
times
and-
and
we
are
now
saying
it's-
okay,
not
not
outstanding
about
five
years
ago
or
so.
F
I
can't
remember
exactly
how
long
ago,
one
of
our
plans
panels
also
approved
a
development
at
bramhawk,
which
was
a
more
rural
setting,
and
we
were
under
pressure
at
the
time
of
not
having
a
five-year
land
supply
and
there
was
a
presumption
in
favor
of
development,
and
I
believe
that
it
was
one
of
those
that
was
upheld
at
appeal
and
every
time
I
drive
past
that
development,
I
physically
shudder
it
grates
on
me
to
such
a
degree.
I
I
hope
nobody's
bought
one
of
those
houses
and
is
living
in
it.
F
It's
currently
just
a
completing
build
out,
but
it's
largely
occupied
now,
and
it
is
absolutely
shocking
to
look
at
in
that
environment,
and
I
regret
that
decision
every
time
I
pass
it
now.
What
we
have
here
is
an
iconic
site.
It's
rural,
it's
surrounded
by
very
pretty
rural
scenery
and
facilities,
and
so
it
I
I
don't
feel
that
this
can
be
approved
because
we
feel
it
is
acceptable.
F
I
think
it's
got
to
be
iconic
and
I'll
be
honest
with
you.
I
I
also
approve
of
the
range
of
house
styles
and
buildings
and
sizes
of
homes.
I
am
a
little
bit
disappointed
that
you
haven't
developed
something
especially
for
this.
You
must
have
developed
the
other
house
styles
for
something
somewhere,
and
if
this
doesn't
merit
fresh
thinking
and
new
ideas,
then
I
think
nothing
does
it's
part
of
a
massive
massive
development
and,
as
people
have
referred
to
before,
you
do
need
to
take
account
of
the
fact.
F
It's
only
part
of
the
whole
this
and
it's
all
got
to
add
up
together.
So
I
think
the
point
that
I'd
really
like
to
make
is
that
we,
we
really
do
need
to
see
something
of
quite
exceptional
quality.
Next
time
you
bring
this
to
panel,
and
I
have
learned
lessons
from
decisions
that
we've
made
in
the
past
and
I'm
not
about
to
make
the
wrong
decision
again.
L
Phew
fancy
following
that,
I
I
just
and
and
and
peter
going
as
well.
I
just
want
to
make
a
couple
of
mundane
comments.
I
totally
sympathize
with
the
residents
thinking
that
ratarams
may
be
caused
if
there's
through
roots
through
the
estate
and
if
anything
that
this
pandemic
has
taught
me
is
that
vehicle
speed,
there's
an
open
road
and
the
speed,
and
it's
no
good
point
painting
20
miles
per
hour
on
the
road.
L
Take
no
notice
and
it
isn't
local
residents,
it's
it's
through
traffic,
and
I
I
do
think
that
there
should
be
no
through-route
through
routes
through
this
estate.
The
other
issue
about
parking
on
grass
verges.
I
it
where
I
live,
it's
absolutely
shocking
and
again
it
isn't
local
residents,
it
tends
to
be
delivery.
L
Vehicles
and
some
of
the
grass
verges
on
spend
lane.
It
looks
as
though
tanks
have
been
on
them
it.
It's
absolutely
appalling.
There
is
a
remedy
for
that.
Of
course
you
build
higher
kerbs
and
if
you
build
high
high
kerbs
it
it
puts
off
vehicles
from
parking
on
on
the
verges.
They'd
have
to
have
very
big
wheels
to
get
on
a
verge,
because
if
they
think
the
underside
of
the
vehicle
is
going
to
be
scraped,
they
don't
do
it
so
that
they're
just
two
suggestions
that
I
wish
to
make.
B
Thanks
yeah
I've
got
a
very
promising
going
right
direction.
I've
got
to
say
I
agree
with
previous
speakers
pacifica
peter
about
no.
No,
this
couldn't
be
any
through
road,
but
if
there
is
any,
if
there
is
a
free
road,
it
should
be
part
of
a
20
mile,
an
hour
zone
and
it
should
have
appropriate
traffic
engineering
there
to
make
sure
people
can't
go
faster,
but
preferably
he
shouldn't
be
a
through
road.
On
the
things
to
do
with
grass
verges.
B
Can
I
suggest
that
the
developer
go
to
west
clifton,
bonn
c
in
essex
and
look
at
some
streets
there
some
the
avenues?
I
think
they
call
them
where
the
grass
verges
are
not
grass
verges,
but
our
grass
edges
and
nobody
can
park
on
them,
which
is
wonderful.
You
might
have
all
things
have
problems
with
with
odd
bits
of
litter
getting
stuck
in
them.
But
but
the
fact
is,
you
can't
park
on
them,
so
it's
manageable.
So
I
suggest
to
go
look
at
that
because
I
I
think
it'd
be
quite
good.
B
If,
if
we
do
that
because
not
only
does
it
does
it
look
better
but
also
it
starts
at
absorbing
stuff.
From
the
cars
on
that
so
at
ground
level,
so
it'd
be
very,
very
good.
B
Regarding
the
passing
on
the
outside
and
the
the
cycle,
the
wave,
I
appreciate
what
people
said
about
lighting
on
it,
but
if
this
is
supposed
to
be
a
natured
area,
we've
got
to
be
very
careful
where
we
put
lighting,
because
we
don't
want
to
do
anything
that
deters
creatures
who
are
nocturnal
and
putting
light
in
there.
Sometimes
we'll
do
that.
So
I
think
it's
got
to
be
done
in
an
informed
way
and
that's
all
I've
got
to
say.
As
I
said,
I
say,
very
promising,
going
right
direction.
B
I'll
be
glad
to
see
it
come
back.
Okay,.
A
C
Yeah,
I
I
think
most
people
have
said
some
of
the
things
I
was
going
to
say.
I
would
just
raise
a
couple
of
points
notwithstanding
the
argument
about
the
through
route.
I
think
it
would
help
members
with
regard
to
a
through
route.
If
we
had
some
sort
of
idea
about
and
as
peter
said,
this
is
a
big.
This
is
a
big
sight
in
totality
what
was
happening
on.
C
I
think
it's
the
eastern
side,
because
this
is
where
the
road
links
in-
and
I
think
it's
about,
balancing
up
how
you
get
around
the
entirety
of
the
development,
not
just
this
particular
section.
I
think
within
that,
looking
at
the
layout,
I
don't
find
the
layout
particularly
inspiring.
C
People
friendly
much
more,
I
suppose,
more
continental,
slightly
in
in
its
in
its
layout.
It
looks
like
an
old-fashioned
estate
with
a
spine
road
and
lots
of
cul-de-sacs
off,
and
I
think
you
could
do
a
much
better
with
that,
and
I
will
just
repeat
my
right.
I
think
it
was
liz's
comments
in
relation
to
some
sort
of
screen
into
the
roads,
because
the
road
traffic
noise
will
be
an
issue,
the
people
who
live
there
and
it's
up
to
us
to
minimize
that
impact.
A
Thank
you
colin.
I
don't
see
any
more
members
who
wish
to
comment
so
can
we
move
on
belgium?
Is
there
any
comments
from
officers
at
this
stage.
G
K
No,
as
you've
said,
download
it
yeah
plenty
to
to
take
up
really
and
take
forward
with
continued
discussions
with
red
row,
and
I
think,
as
I
said
in
the
report,
this
is
very
much
the
start
of
the
conversation.
So
there
will
be
continued
discussions
at
the
consultative
forum
and
elsewhere
to
to
move
this
scheme
along
over
the
next
few
months
and
ultimately
back
to
bit
back
before
members
at
plans
panel.
A
Thank
you,
belgium,
thank
you,
andrew
can
we
go
back
to
the
agenda.
Then
there
are
a
number
of
questions
that
have
been
posed
by
officers
to
members.
So
can
we
go
through
them
one
at
a
time
please
and
the
first
one.
Do
members
support
emerging
principle
in
respect
of
the
design
and
layout?
C
A
A
C
Jared,
I
think
I
think,
caroline
raised
the
issue
that
might
this
might
not
be
housing
type,
but
you
know
we
are
looking
at
looking
at
something
that
isn't
just
well
the
drawings.
C
F
Thank
you
for
raising
that
you're,
quite
right
and,
and
I
would
like
to
see
very
strong
contemporary
design,
but
obviously
fitting
with
the
with
the
landscape
around
it.
A
A
E
You
need
to
look
at
everything
together
and
if
I
leave
you
with
no
other
thought
than
public
health,
I
know
there
are
lots
of
colleagues
who
are
very
sympathetic
towards
the
fact
that
we've
not
perhaps
given
enough
attention
to
public
health
within
planning
decisions,
because
they
haven't
been
around
our
table
and
they
haven't
barged
their
way
into
into
our
door.
But
you
cannot
leave
15
000
people
without
super
duper
public
health
facilities
as
part
of
this
project.
So
please
don't
just
look
at
primary
schools
secondary
schools,
green
space
highways.
A
Thank
you
peter.
Can
I
thank
mark
and
katie
for
the
presentation
and
been
there
to
answer
questions
hi.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
your
presentations
and
and
addressing
the
questions
that
was
asked
of
you.
It's
a
scheme
that
we'll
be
looking
at
as
it
develops
in
its
inception
very
closely
as
you
realize,
but
with
that
you
have
a
lot
to
take
away.
A
Most
members
have
commented
and
expressed
their
ideas
and
I'm
sure
you'll
take
them
on
board
and
consider
them
before
we
see
an
application
on
this
site,
but
thank
you
once
again,
belgium.
G
Thank
you,
chad.
I
I
was
frantically
trying
to
find
my
hand
function
and
it
seemed
to
have
disappeared
somewhere.
So
apologies,
I
didn't
mean
to
interrupt,
but
I
think
just
in
terms
of
the
questions
that
you
asked
at
the
end.
G
Clearly,
we
we
tried
to
do
a
bit
of
crystal
ball
gazing
when
we
asked
those
questions
in
the
report-
and
I
and
I
accept
that
in
terms
of
the
emerging
design,
principles
and
layout
members
have
raised
a
number
of
points
and,
in
effect,
members
want
more
information
about
the
quality
and
the
details
before
they're
prepared
to
commit,
and
I
accept
that
I
understand
that
and
we
will
work
with
the
the
applicants.
No
doubt
on
that.
G
I
think,
in
terms
of
the
next
question,
which
was
about
seeking
members
observations
in
respect
to
the
housing
provision
that
was
more
to
do
with
the
approach
towards
meeting
the
council's
house
standards
meeting
the
access
provision
of
accessible
units
making
sure
that
the
meeting
the
affordable
housing
that
would
require
now
andrew
has
made
it
quite
clean
his
report
that
the
developers
committed
to
meeting
all
our
adopted
standards
in
those
respects-
and
I
just
wanted
it
probably
goes
without
saying.
G
But
I
just
wanted
to
the
clarity
that
members
were
supportive
of
that
and
the
approach
which
you
know
if
it
meets
our
policy
we
should
be,
and
then
I
think
I
I
totally
take
on
board
councillor
peter
gruy's
comments
at
the
end
in
terms
of
public
health,
we
we
are,
we've
been
smaller
in
the
past
than
perhaps
we
should
have
been,
but
we
are
now
automatically
consulting
public
health
colleagues
on
applications
such
as
this,
and
we
will
be
consulting
public
health
colleagues
on
these
proposals
as
well
and
working
strategically
with
them
in
terms
of
not
just
this
site
but
provision
along
eagle
in
terms
of
the
facilities
that
are
needed.
G
For
this
new
community,
so
I
I
just
wanted
to
sort
of
sum
up
and
make
that
clear
for
the
record
chair.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
and
I'm
sure
all
of
the
members
would
agree
with
those
principles
before
you
go
in
our
housing
provision.
Yes,
people
are
nodding
just
to
remind
you
that
the
next
meeting
is
on
the
13th
of
may
and
at
the
moment
it's
probably
not
going
to
be
a
zoom
meeting.
I
don't
know
how
or
why
we
will
be
holding
it.
It
might
not
be
in
room
six
and
seven
who
knows.
A
Officers
are
still
considering
it
very
carefully,
but
it
looks
like
it
won't
be
zoomed
as
with
a
decision-making
body
with
that
it
will
be
after
the
local
elections
and
a
number
of
us
are
standing
for
re-election.
Then,
david
myself,
I
don't
know
some
of
the
others,
and
we
have
two
members
amongst
us
who,
oh
al,
you
are
standing.
Aren't
you
yes.
So
at
least
three
of
us
we
have
two
members
who
who
won't
be
at
our
making
for
sure
some
of
the
others
may
not
be.
A
Who
knows
the
electorate
will
decide
these
things.
I
hope
I
haven't
gone
into
deep
water
there
for
phillip,
but
council
khan
is
going
on
to
be
the
lord
mayor
of
leeds.
Well,
you'll
be
still
on
the
panel,
maybe
you'll
be
still
on
the
panel.
For
that
it'll
be
probably
your
last
meeting,
then
yeah
it'll
be
before
the
agm,
so
you're,
okay,
we
can
talk
about
you
or
that
one
okay,
I
love
you
yeah.
G
A
We'd
be
delighted
to
see
you,
hopefully
you
will
be
successful.
Can
I
wish
you
all
who's
standing
for
election?
The
very
best
of
luck.
Now,
as
you
know,
peter
gruen
is
not
seeking
election,
so
this
will
definitely
be
his
last
meeting.
A
I
haven't
wrote
anything
down
because
I
didn't
want
to
sound
false
peter
has
been
such
an
asset
to
planning
over
these
many
many
years.
I
think
you're
almost
been
on
the
panel
as
long
as
council
campbell
and
myself
peter.
I
don't
know
how
many
years
there
is,
but
it's
a
long
time
and
you
were
very
much
involved
in
the
sap
when
you
were
a
member
of
the
executive
board
member
and
always
took
of
a
very
keen
interest
in
the
planning
system.
A
Although
you
had
a
wide
range
of
departments
under
your
guidance
at
the
time,
so
we
we
really
thank
you
for
that.
You
really
will
be
missed.
You
are
a
very,
very
great
loss
to
to
us,
but
we
know
that
you'll
still
be
about
you'll,
be
watching
us
and,
if
necessary,
you'll
be
nudging
us
in
the
right
direction.
A
So,
thank
you
so
much
for
all
your
help
and
all
your
guidance
and
all
your
assistance
over
the
years.
You
have
been
wonderful
in
that
respect.
I
see
hans
gone
up
and
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
I'm
going
to
invite
a
member
from
each
group
to
speak,
so
I
will
take
in
that
order.
I'll
start
with
councillor
lati,
please
if
he
wishes
to
say
something,
I'm
absolutely.
H
Delighted
in
six
and
seven
I've
sat
across
from
peter
for
quite
a
lot
of
years
on
city
plans,
and
it's
almost
annoyed
me
that
that
he
usually
gets
to
say
what
I
want
to
say
before
I
get
the
chance
to
say
it,
and
then
he
also
gets
the
chance
to
pull
my
leg
about
chimneys,
which
he
does
in
a
in
a
very
nice
way.
But
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
I
have
a
great
deal
of
respect
for
peter
when
it
comes
to
planning
and
that
doesn't
imply.
H
I
haven't
respect
for
him
in
other
in
other
ways
as
well,
but
certainly
when
it
comes
to
planning,
he
knows
an
awful
lot
about
it
and
he's
he's
a
real
sort
of
cornerstone
of
any
planning
committee.
I
think
perhaps
it's
not
going
to
be
quite
the
same
without
him.
I
don't
know
who's
going
to
take
his
place.
We
need
somebody.
H
We
need
one
of
those
sort
of
rocks
in
the
corner,
but
I
do
hope
that
peter
will
have
a
really
really
enjoyable
retirement
and
that
I'm
sure,
we'll
probably
see
him
sitting
in
the
aldermans
or
not
in
the
ottoman
seats.
But
as
an
alderman
somewhere
in
chamber
in
the
future,
I
sincerely
hope
so
peter
have
a
wonderful
retirement.
H
C
One
thing
you
can
say
about
peter,
is
he
welling
says
lots
of
things
about
peter
actually,
but
one
of
them
is
that
he
he
has
been
passionate
about
planning
and
certainly
been
very
vocal
on
a
number
of
areas
and
has
been
very
transient
in
expressing
his
opinions,
and
I
think,
it's
fairly
safe
to
say
that
I
might
have
agreed
with
him
nearly
50
of
the
time,
and
I
I
I
would
just-
and
I
know
it
it's
a
difficult
subject
for
us,
but
I
I
do
think
we
ought
to
pay
thanks
for
his
efforts
in
relation
to
the
the
core
strategy,
in
particular
the
sap.
C
Now
I
know
the
saps
are
one
of
those
things
that
which
we
all
fall
out
about
and
have
fallen
out
about
in
lumps,
but
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
went
into
producing
that
document
and
I
think
it's
to
peter
in
many
ways
that
we
actually
produced
the
document
which
he
brought
to
council,
and
it
was
fortunate
because
it
enabled
all
the
opposition
parties
to
vote
against
it.
But
at
least
he
was
honestly
thought,
fair
and
equitable.
C
During
the
discussions
about
that,
and
though
we
may
not
like
the
result,
I
think
we
have
to
recognize
that
he
did
put
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
into
that
and
I
would
just
say
I
think
we
probably
will
miss
him
on
plans
panel,
because
his
ability
to
create
mischief
was
legendary
and
in
some
ways
it
might
be
a
slightly
more
dull
place.
If
we
didn't
have
that
sort
of
twinkle
from
his
eye
when
he
knew
he
was
about
to
drop
some
sort
of
bombshell
on
us.
I
shall
miss
you
peter
all.
The
best.
B
Thank
you
jeff.
I
don't
have
any
trouble
with
him.
Can
I
join
in
the
praises
to
peter
I.
I
hope
he
has
a
a
very
good
retirement,
similar
to
what
colin
just
said.
I
probably
50
of
the
time
I've
been
on
different
side
to
him,
but
you've
got
to
respect
what
what
what
his
view
was,
and
certainly
he
knew
his
stuff
and
when,
when
it
was
something
where
you
agreed
with
him,
I
think
it
was
a
useful
ally
to
have
with
with
you
and
he
he's
brought.
B
He
brought
things
that
others
wouldn't
have
brought
to
to
the
meetings.
I
think
so
that's
it
it'll
be
missed,
we'll
try
it.
It
turn
into
carrot
to
carry
on
and
the
other
thing.
I
I
think
beyond
that,
while,
as
I
said,
lots
of
times,
I
need
would
have
would
have
disagreed,
I
always
found
it
easy
to
to
work
with
so
good
luck
to
you
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
A
David
kelsey
khan,
did
you
take
your
hand
down?
Did
you
want
to
speak.
G
Yes,
chair
we're
delighted.
Where
can
I
start?
G
Peter
has
been
a
fantastic
colleague
comrade
mentor,
I've
known
peter
for
more
than
nine
years
now
and
when
I
be
first
became
on
at
the
city
plans
panel
peter
did
mentor
me
and
he
is
a
brilliant,
knowledgeable
person
and
also
the
contribution
he
has
made
in
the
city
of
leeds,
and
it
will
be.
You
know
we
can
tarnish
peter
the
changes
in
city
of
leeds
the
better
changes.
We
can
tarnish
future
with
that,
and
you
know
I
just
want
to
say
from
bottom
my
heart.
G
E
E
Word,
I'm
almost
blushing.
Thank
you.
All
very
much
city
plans
panel
is
one
part
of
the
council's
work.
I
shall
I
shall
miss
a
lot.
E
I
always
think
it
attracts
a
kind
of
person
who
is
genuinely
interested
in
our
communities
and
recognizes
how
much
planning
is
part
of
everyday
life
of
everyday
people
and
many
other
parts
of
the
city
council.
Don't
realize
that.
E
E
I
remember
as
jim
does
when
we
look
back
and
we
look
to
the
1990s
and
a
certain
leader
of
the
council
at
that
time
who
espoused
the
red
brick
look
of
leeds
and
very
few
people
now
thank
him
for
it
and
for
me,
the
legacy
that
we
leave
here.
All
of
us
together
is
what
will
people
in
20
years
say
about
the
decisions
you've
made.
E
Now
some
don't
even
stand
the
testament
of
a
year,
as
caroline
has
said,
and
there
are
some
decisions-
I've
we've
taken
that
I
regret
so
I
just
want
you
to
be
brave
and
stand
up
for
the
best
principles
in
the
city,
because
the
city
deserves
it
and
I
think
what
we're
doing
about
the
skyscape
and
some
of
those
new
developments
coming
in
are
absolutely
fantastically
challenging
and
iconic
and
will
make
such
a
difference
to
leeds
as
a
place
and
finally
chair.
I
want
to
thank
people.
I
want
to
think
officers.
E
I
think
the
planning
offices
we've
had
and
I've
seen
grow
through
my
time
when
they
were
first
coming
on
the
scene
and
now
our
senior
colleagues
presenting
to
us
and
helping
us.
You
know
I
think
back,
I
have
to
say
of
the
phil
crabtrees
and
the
martin
sellences,
and
he
thought
at
the
time
god.
Nobody
will
ever
follow
these
people,
but
of
course
they
do
and
to
see
you
know.
Martin
elliot
and
david
feeney
come
through
and
now
be
very
senior.
Colleagues
in-house
grown
in-house
is
fantastic.
E
E
I'm
on
the
side
of
enabling
I
always
have
been,
and
I
take
risks-
and
you
know
I
do,
but
if
you
don't
take
a
risk,
you
don't
get
anywhere
and
that's
what
I
think
my
colleague
neil
warsaw
is
now
doing
with
climate
change.
If
you
don't
take
a
risk,
you're
not
going
to
get
anywhere.
You
know
you're
going
to
be
stuck
in
the
in
the
mud
and
nothing
will
happen.
So.
Thank
you
all
belgium.
Thank
you
for
all
your
work
on
city
plans.
Thank
you,
colleagues,
you're
great
I'll,
miss
you
good
luck!.