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A
Good
morning,
everybody
welcome
to
development
plan
panel.
Just
a
quick
reminder.
We
are
now
broadcasting
on
to
the
world.
7.3
billion
potential
viewers
so
obviously
keep
your
foul
language
to
a
minimum
and
behave
yourselves.
So
my
name
is
councilmember
walsh.
I'm
chair
of
the
development
plan
panel
got
some
introductory
spiel,
which
tasha
clark
is
going
to
start
off
with,
and
I've
got
my
my
chair
script
and
then
we'll
do
some
housekeeping
and
going
with
today's
meeting.
If
that's
okay,
tash.
B
Yep
great
thank
you
chair,
so
I
believe
that
all
members
are
here
and
present
that
we're
expecting
I'm.
So
we
can
just
go
straight
over
to
you,
chair
to
introduce
everybody.
A
Excellent,
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
So
go
through
my
my
script.
This
is
this
is
meeting
the
development
plan
panel
and
it
meets
the
requirements
of
the
council's
constitution.
Even
though
members
of
the
panel
are
in
remote
attendance
and
everyone
can
see
our
faces
via
zoom,
whilst
item
today
will
be
fully
discussed
as
usual,
remote
attendance
requires
a
few
slight
changes
about
how
helen
managed
the
debate.
So
therefore,
can
all
attendees
mute
their
microphones
unless
I
invite
them
to
speak,
this
will
avoid
disruption
from
background
noise.
A
A
Members
wishing
to
ask
questions
make
comments
should
do
so
by
using
the
raised
hand
facility,
which
I
think
everyone's
now
familiar
with
on
zoom,
and
I
would
also
accept
if
I
don't
see
ray's
hand,
just
a
wave
of
the
hand
is
also
quite
helpful
just
as
a
help.
The
chair
out
that'd
be
great.
So,
in
order
to
provide
any
disruption
to
the
meeting,
should
I
lose
my
internet
connectivity?
I
propose
we
appoint
a
deputy
chair.
A
A
Any
objects
is
there
abstentions
or
anything
like
that.
Please
indicate
no
good,
oh
right,
so
what
I'll
do
now
is
I'll
now
invite
members
and
officers
to
introduce
themselves,
and-
and
also
could
you
mention
your
microphone
once
you've
introduced
yourselves
so
I'll
start
with
councillor,
barry
anderson.
A
Thank
you
very
much
councillor
campbell.
B
Good
morning,
everyone
councillor
dawn
collins
from
horses
award.
Thank
you,
council
gruen
good
morning,
everybody
councillor,
caroline,
grew
and
bramley,
and
stanley
ward.
A
A
F
Morning,
chair
nicole
walker,.
A
Can
you
remind
people
attending
a
meeting
to
to
mute
their
microphones
to
reduce
background
noise
if
at
all
possible,
just
something
to
know
for
people
watching
you'll
notice?
A
number
of
officers
on
the
call
today
and
they're
here
for
technical
support
will
not
be
participating
so
going
through
our
traditional
agenda
item
number
one.
B
And
then
agenda
item
two:
there
are
no
items
which
require
the
exclusion
of
the
press
and
public
under
agenda
item
three.
There
are
no
formal
alert
items
of
business.
However,
members
should
have
received
some
supplement.
Supplementary
information
in
relation
to
agenda
item
seven
and
under
agenda
item
for,
could
I
ask
members
to
declare
any
disposable
pecuniary
interests,
I'll
take
silence
as
a
no
and
then
under
a
gender
item?
Five
I've
received
apologies
from
councillors,
finnegan
and
councillor
carter,
and
we
have
no
substitutes
today.
A
A
If
we,
there
start
on
page
five
of
the
the
document
pack
so.
A
I
was
just
gonna
remem
members,
don't
mind.
I
was
gonna
whisk
through
as
if
I'm
looking
over
to
my
left,
because
my
other
screen
is
where
I've
got
my
papers
is
to
my
left.
So
I
think
probably
the
best
way
to
do
this.
A
Is
if
I
don't
close
my
document
down,
that's
better
right,
sorry
about
that,
go
to
the
minutes,
and
what
I
should
suggest
is
if
any
members
have
got
any
matters
arising
from
the
minutes
is
to
indicate
council
anderson.
C
Just
briefly
actually
specific
place
on
it,
but
I'm
taking
it.
This
comment
under
effectively
what
program
I've
been
asked:
the
emerging
sci:
where
are
we
with
the
emerging
sci.
A
Oh
question:
martin:
please.
H
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you.
Councillor,
anderson,
yes,
the
as,
as
members
will
recall
the
the
statement
of
community
involvement.
Sci
is
a
document
which
sets
out
how
the
council
will
carry
out
its
its
public
consultation
activities
in
terms
of
plan
making
and
and
decision
taking.
H
There's
been
one
round
of
formal
consultation
with
members
of
the
public
and
also
a
steering
group
set
up
involving
local
representatives
to
move
that
work
forward.
There
has
been
some
delay
to
progressing
that
to
its
next
statutory
round
of
consultation
because
of
the
the
covert
pandemic,
but
it
is
hoped
that
that
will
be
able
to
be
swiftly
progressed
now
and
we're
taking
stock
of
some
of
the
announcements
that
came
out
of
government
around
consulting
and
how
local
authorities
consult
not
only
during
the
pandemic
but
but
moving
forward.
H
So
it's
it's.
It's
still
progressing
counsellor
and
we
hope
that,
certainly
at
the
next
dpp
we'll
be
able
to
to
provide
a
more
thorough
update
on
that.
A
Good
excellent,
okay
is
that
okay,
counselor
anderson,
yeah,
okay,
excellent,
any
any
further
comments
on
the
minutes,
not
seeing
any
indications
good.
In
that
case,
can
I
have
someone
move
them
as
a
true
record
of
the
meeting
members,
yep
angles,
male
hair
and
thanks
very
much
council
like
brilliant,
see,
lovely
thanks
very
much
lots
of
ascent,
excellent
okay.
So
that
takes
us
on
then
to
agenda
item
seven,
which
it's
quite
a
a
substantive
piece
of
work
and
it
it
broadly
fits
into
two
sections.
A
There's
the
the
update
on
the
site
allocations
to
plan
legal
challenge
which
martin's
going
to
lead
off
on
in
a
moment,
and
then
we've
got
the
section
of
the
report,
which
I
I
really
want
to
spend
as
the
bulk
of
the
time
on
really
because
it
is
by
far
the
most
important,
that's
our
local
plan
review
and
and
the
policies
that
we
want
to
bring
into
it.
And
obviously
members
will
remember
that
we've
instigated
a
local
plan
review
with
climate
emergency
at
its
heart.
That's
our
focus
now.
A
A
So
whilst
I
don't
want
to
minimize
debate
on
the
first
section,
I
think
the
second
section
is
the
is
by
far
the
most
substantive
and
important
one
as
members
will
know
that
personally,
as
chair
of
dpp
and
chair,
the
climate
emergency
advisory
climate
emergency
is
the
most
depressing
matter
we
face
over
the
long
term.
It
threatens
the
future
of
civilization.
I
wish
that
was
hyperbole,
but
it's
not
so.
I
want
to
spend
the
bulk
of
the
meeting
on
that.
A
H
Thank
you
chair,
and
I
believe
that
we
have
a
presentation
just
to
accompany
this
I'll.
Just
wait
for
that
to
arrive
on
the
screen.
H
So
this
is
to
update
members
of
the
panel
on
what
what
has
been,
admittedly,
quite
a
lengthy
process,
far
lengthier
than
I
think
anyone
considered
it
would
be
at
the
beginning
of
the
process.
As
members
will
know,
the
site
allocations
plan.
The
sap
was
adopted
in
july
last
year
after
many
years
of
preparation,
the
sap
setting
out
housing
and
other
allocations
in
leeds,
in
accordance
with
the
the
core
strategy.
H
Now
the
airbur
neighborhood
development
forum
submitted
a
legal
challenge
to
the
adoption
of
that
document
in
august
of
2019,
and
that
legal
challenge
was
eventually
heard
in
the
high
court
in
february
2020..
H
The
challenge
from
ebra
was
on
seven
grounds
and
that's
contained
in
para
2.6
of
the
report
and
in
summary,
that
related
to
considerations
around
the
council's
strategic
environmental
assessment
and
also
around
reasons
for
greenbelt
release
and
specifically
the
urban
neighborhood
development
forum,
were
focused
on
four
greenbelt
sites
within
their
housing
market
characteristic
area
of
airbra,
and
that
was
the
original
focus
of
their
claim.
Those
are
those
four
sites
in
airbra
and
their
concern
that
their
challenge
was
around
the
rationality
of
the
removal
of
those
sites
from
the
green
belt.
H
Now,
after
the
claim
was
heard
at
the
high
court
in
february,
there
was
a
quite
a
delay
in
terms
of
waiting
for
the
judgment
and
that
judgment
was
eventually
handed
down
in
june
2020
late
as
a
result
of
the
the
pandemic,
and
that
allowed
the
claim,
which
means
that
the
judge
supported
three
of
the
grounds
three
of
those
seven
grounds
now
the
grounds
that
were
supported
related
to
the
inspectors
report,
the
independent
inspectors,
who
were
appointed
by
the
secretary
of
state
to
assess
the
site
allocations
plan
and
the
upheld
grounds
related
to
their
reasoning
within
their
report
and
their
reasoning.
H
Firstly,
in
terms
of
the
exceptional
circumstances
for
greenbelt
release
and,
secondly,
around
the
distribution
of
that
greenbelt
release
across
leeds
and
thirdly
around
whether
or
not
there
was
sufficient
acknowledgement
in
the
inspectors
report
of
an
increase
in
windfall
sites.
That
is
sites
that
weren't
known
about
when
the
site
allocations
plan
was
submitted
to
the
inspectorate,
those
new
windfall
sites
being
planning
permissions,
mainly
in
the
city
center
and
the
inner
area.
H
Now
the
judgment
came
in
in
june,
which
allowed
the
claim,
but
there
was
then
a
further
stage
where
all
parties,
the
neighborhood
forum,
the
council,
the
secretary
of
state
in
terms
of
planning,
inspectorate
and
also
interested
house
builders,
could
comment
on
what
relief
was.
H
What
the
judge
should
propose
now
relief
is
is
basically
what
the
judge
suggests
should
be
done
about
the
errors
now
that
they
have
been
found
worth
noting
here
that
the
urban
neighborhood
development
forum,
in
their
original
facts
and
grounds
set
out
that
the
relief
they
originally
saw
was
to
put
the
four
sites
that
were
removed
from
the
greenbelt
in
the
airbra
housing
area
back
into
the
greenbelt,
but
that
that
position
changed
after
the
judgment
was
handed
down
and
the
neighborhood
forum
were
seeking
for
that
relief
to
be
wider
to
apply
to
all
38
greenbelt
sites
that
the
site
allocations
plan
had
removed
from
the
greenbelt
for
housing
purposes.
H
After
submitting
thoughts
on
on
on
relief,
the
judgment
is
now
awaited.
Those
relief
submissions
went
in
toward
the
end
of
june
sorry
toward
the
middle
of
june,
and
it
was
hoped
and
anticipated
that
we
will
have
received
the
judges
findings
on
that
by
now.
That
is
still
awaited,
and
it
is
unlikely
that
we
are
going
to
be
getting
that
now
through
the
summer,
because
the
the
high
court
does
actually
close
down
during
the
summer.
H
So
unfortunately,
there
is
likely
to
be
a
further
delay
on
this
on
this
decision.
Have
the
next
slide
please
now?
This
is
important,
because
the
council
was
committed
to
carrying
out
a
review
of
the
site
allocations,
plan
and
members
will
be
aware
that
the
review
of
the
sap
was
set
out
within
the
sap
itself
through
the
introduction
of
a
policy
hgr-1
that
recognized
that
the
sap
was
being
adopted
in
advance
of
a
new
housing
target
being
set
within
the
core
strategy.
H
Selective
review
and
members
will
also
recall
that
there
was
a
a
pause
within
the
site
allocations
plan
process
to
allow
for
that
by
actually
reducing
the
amount
of
green
belt
land
that
was
required
to
be
taken
out
going
from
some
twelve
and
a
half
thousand
homes
down
to
just
over
four
thousand
homes.
Now
that
review
still
needs
to
be
carried
out
to
look
at
the
level
of
allocations
available
within
the
site
allocations
plan
for
the
longer
plan
period
to
2033..
H
Now
it
had
been
intended
that
we
would
bring
a
scope
of
the
site
allocations.
Plan
review
to
development
plan
panel
as
soon
as
possible,
but
clearly,
whatever
relief
is
determined
from
the
airbra
challenge
will
affect
what
the
scope
of
that
sap
review
looks
like.
So,
unfortunately,
the
immediate
implication
of
the
delay
in
the
the
challenge
and
the
laying
down
of
relief
is
that
that
site
allocations
plan
review
is
further
delayed
and
we
won't
know
we
won't
know
what
that
is
until
that
relief
is
ordered
and
the
implications
of
that
are
understood.
H
So
that's
just
to
bring
members
up
to
date,
really
with
where
we
are
the
nature
of
the
the
the
judgment
and
what
the
next
steps
have
been
and
the
implications
on
the
sap
review.
Thanks.
A
Martin,
good
and
comprehensive,
as
always,
do
we
just
bear
with
me
a
second
while
I
there
we
go
get
my
full
screen
back,
so
I
can
see
you
all.
I
think
I've
got
any
questions
or
comments
regarding
martin's
update,
see
no
indications.
Oh
counselor
campbell.
D
Right,
I
suppose
it's
a
bit
unfortunate,
isn't
it
that
the
high
court's
gone
on
holiday,
because
it
does
leave
us
in
a
slightly
different
position
notwithstanding
what
anybody's
personal
views
or
panel
members
sorry
yeah.
The
panel
members
views
were
on
those
particular
greenbelt
sites.
D
D
What
would
be
the
position
if
somebody
turned
up
tomorrow
with
a
planning
application
on
either
one
of
the
greenbelt
sites
in
abra
or
another
one
and
somewhere
else
in
the
city.
A
I
think,
but
man
on
that
I
mean
the
short
version
is
apart
from
these
sites,
because
there
would
be
a
legal
question
over
them.
If,
if,
if
a
site
is
not
in
the
sap,
then
there's
no
dice
effectively.
That's
what
having
an
sap
means
that
puts
you
onto
that
footing.
But
martin,
do
you
want
to
come
in
at
that
point?.
H
Thanks
councillor
thanks
chair:
yes,
if,
if
an
application
did
come
in
on
one
of
these
sites,
we
would
have
to
progress
that,
but
in
progressing
that
we
would
clearly
need
to
attach
appropriate
weight
to
to
the
policies
that
were
in
view
of
the
judgment.
F
E
D
It
so,
as
I
say,
if
somebody
turned
up
tomorrow
with
a
planning
application
for
a
greenbelt
site-
let's
say
let's
say
in
horsford,
for
example,
because
I
know
there
are
two
or
three
in
hartsford:
that's
not
part
of
the
original
request
from
the
airborne
neighborhood
forum,
but
it's
a
greenbelt
site
now.
D
A
H
H
We
would
need
to
progress,
an
application
if
it
was
submitted
to
us,
because
at
the
moment,
notwithstanding
the
judgment,
the
plan
remains
adopted
until
the
relief
is
set
out
and
there
is,
albeit
a
very,
very
small
chance
that
that
relief
may
be
that
nothing
happens
to
the
site
allocations
plan,
but
in
terms
of
the
process
of
of
of
looking
at
an
application
where
it's
submitted
to
us
and
we
have
applications
in
the
system.
H
Now
we
do
have
to
continue
to
look
at
those,
but
we
and
the
applicants
are,
of
course
well
aware
of
the
situation
as
regards
the
judgement
and
and
and
what
anticipated
relief
may
be.
Yeah.
A
Okay,
thanks
for
that
man,
I've
got
a
list
of
speakers.
I
don't
remind
colleagues
that
well.
I
know
this
is
important.
We
don't
have
the
relief
yet
so
we
are
sort
of
going
over.
I
don't
want
to
go
over
old
ground,
so
council
rich
is
next.
Then
council
anderson,
then
councillor
collins,
kevin
thanks.
G
Chair
yeah,
I
just
want
to
ask
there's
the
kind
of
you've
outlined
a
couple
of
the
risks,
martin
to
the
council
of
the
delay,
and
you
know
the
resulting
relief
that's
announced.
I
just
wondered
what,
if
there's
any
kind
of
mitigation
for
the
local
authority,
bear
in
mind
that
in
2.9
the
judges
made
clear
the
errors
were
of
the
independent
inspectors,
so
not
our
errors,
but
we're
gonna
have
to
pick
up.
G
You
know
the
consequences
that
it
were,
so
I
just
wondered
if
there
were
anything
that
could
could
happen
to
mitigate
that
for
us.
Thank
you.
H
You
thank
you
chair.
Thank
you,
councillor,
richie
yeah.
I
I
understand
the
frustration
with
that.
Sadly,
there
isn't.
The
planning
inspectors
were
appointed
by
the
secretary
of
state
to
to
look
independently
at
the
sap.
As
you
say,
the
judges
found
that
the
errors
lie
within
their
report
and
the
reasoning
that
that's
been
given
within
their
report.
But
there
is,
there
is
nothing
to
be
done.
H
There
is
no
route
to
go
back
to
the
planning
inspectorate
to
to
to
have
that,
mitigated
and
yes
that
they,
depending
on
what
the
relief
is,
will
depend
on
the
risk
and
any
potential
next
steps
that
are
taken.
But
again,
the
planning
and
spectra
are
insulated
from
any
come
back
on
that.
A
Okay,
yeah
and
it
is
worth
considering
that
the
council's
decision
making
through
the
development
the
sap
has
not
been
called
into
question
by
this
decision.
It's
the
the
fault
lies
with
the
inspectors,
which
is
enormously
unfortunate.
Does
that
satisfy
you,
council,
richie,
yeah,
okay,
good
council
anderson's
indicated
he
doesn't
want
to
speak
councillor
collins.
B
Thank
you
chair.
I
appreciate
we
don't
know
what
the
outcome
is
going
to
be
yet,
but
there
is
a
high
chance,
a
high
probability
that
we're
going
to
lose
at
least
a
couple
of
sites.
So
I
just
have
some
questions
that
I
don't
need
a
lengthy
answer
to,
but
if
you
can
just
bear
with
me
on
page
12
point
2.3
officers
say:
there's
a
down:
there
was
a
downward
housing
trajectory.
B
B
Now
these
have
always
been
a
little
bit
of
a
bone
of
contention
as
to
where
did
these
come
from?
Who
set
them?
Are
they
actually
relevant?
B
B
We
obviously
need
that,
and
I
just
wondered
at
what
point
or
can
we
find
out
today?
How
is
that
going
to
be
structured?
So
I
think
there's
been
concerns
in
the
past
that
it's
been
very
developer
dominated
and
when
you,
when
I
first
joined
council
and
read
through
the
list
of
sites
that
were
being
rejected,
and
there
were
a
lot
that
said
potential
contamination
and
it
did
feel
as
if
the
developers
just
wanted
those
off
the
potential
list.
B
A
Okay,
martin
george
come
in
on
those
and
at
this
point
also
welcome
davey
feeney,
the
chief
planning
officer
thanks
for
joining
us
david
good.
H
This
was
the
phrase
that
was
applied
to
the
site
allocations
plan
during
its
preparation
to
reflect
that
the
core
strategy,
selective
review,
was
looking
at
a
a
different
housing
target
at
the
time,
which
was
supported
by
a
strategic
housing
market
assessment
which
effectively
brought
the
core
strategy
down
from
70
000
homes
to
52
000
homes,
so
that
that's
the
the
the
reference
to
the
downward
trajectory
and
that
new
number
of
52
000
was
set
last
year
in
the
adopted
course
strategy.
H
Selective
review
so
there'll
be
a
chance
to
look
again
at
that
number
in
in
in
five
years
time,
as
is
required
by
by
government
guidance
in
terms
of
the
review
of
the
housing
market
areas,
they
again
were
looked
at
within
the
core
strategy,
selective
review
and
they
were
used
as
well
in
terms
of
the
strategic
housing
market
assessment.
H
Now,
if,
if,
if
members
consider
the
conversation
about
hmcmas
is,
is
warranted
through
the
local
plan
update,
then
we
can
certainly
come
to
that
later
on
in
in
this
session,
and
in
terms
of
the
the
schla
councillor,
collins,
we've
actually
moved
quite
a
way
forward
with
the
shema
in
terms
of
quite
positive
relationship
with
the
home
builders
federation.
H
There
was
quite
a
lot
of
disagreement
in
terms
of
house
builder
and
and
council
meetings,
but
now
the
approach
of
the
the
schla
is
for
house
builders
to
provide
up-to-date
information
on
the
sites
that
they
are
engaged
with
bringing
forward,
and,
as
we
know,
we
have
a
lot
of
different
types
of
house
building
in
the
city,
not
only
those
building
in
the
outer
areas,
but
also
those
building
in
the
city
centre
in
the
inner
area
so
and
as
those
markets
have
have
become
firmer
and
established.
H
The
evidence
in
terms
of
the
deliverability
of
of
sites
in
the
in
in
that
area
has
become
a
lot
stronger
and
more
defensible.
So
the
is
actually
quite
a
positive
way
of
looking
at
things
and
in
terms
of
the
the
analysis
of
sites
that's
carried
out
by
the
council
itself,
alongside
house
builders.
So
all
the
information
that
sits
on
a
schla
site
will
be
checked
by
the
council
using
its
evidence
base
that
includes
contaminated
land.
B
B
All
I'm
trying
to
do
is
to
see
if
there's
some
piece
of
work,
we
need
to
do
now
to
protect
ourselves
in
a
way
that
the
trajectory
is
still
downwards,
that
the
reasons
that
we've
maintained
the
hmcas
are
still
valid,
just
so
that
if
we
do
get
developed
as
challenging
as
in
the
future
because
of
the
changes
we
can
stay
well,
we've
already
done
this
piece
of
work.
What
we
said
then
still
valid
today.
D
H
Yeah
thanks
councillor
collins,
so
so
just
to
be
clear.
The
the
judgment
doesn't
raise
any
issues
with
the
level
of
housing
that
was
being
looked
at
in
in
in
the
core
strategy
of
the
course
strategy,
selected
review
and
doesn't
cast
out
over
the
hmcas
as
being
an
appropriate
means
by
which
to
distribute
housing.
What
the
the
judgement
focuses
in
some
detail
is
is
is
an
absence
of
thorough
explanation
by
the
inspectors
about
that.
H
So
the
challenge
shouldn't
give
rise
to
as
a
driver
to
a
need
to
look
at
those
issues,
but
they
inevitably
will
be
part
of
the
local
plan
update
moving
forward
because
they
sit
at
the
heart
of
the
spatial
strategy
for
leads
so
we'll
need
to
consider
with
and
through
members
whether
there
are
feelings
for
those
policies
to
be
updated
or
not.
A
Yeah,
I
I
agree.
That's
something
we're
gonna
have
to
come
to
of
youtube
council
mckenna,
jim
you're.
Next.
E
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you,
martin,
I
was
just
wondering:
have
these
four
sites
been
stymied
forever,
there's
no
possibility
of
revisiting
them
on
the
the
plan
review.
What
does
concern
me
is
that
if
there
is
a
shortfall
in
housing,
and
particularly
if
it's
wider
than
these
four
sites
in
terms
of
greenbelt-
and
there
was
an
extra
4000
houses
required
well,
it
could
only
be
achieved
by
packing
the
inner
city
areas
that
a
lot
of
us
around
the
table
represent,
and
I
would
find
that
most
unpleasant
and
most
disputable.
E
We
have,
particularly
in
my
area,
we
have
very
little
green
space
whatsoever.
Nevermind
greenbelt,
that's
a
pipe
dream
for
us,
but
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
implications
here
and
I
understand
martin
that
there's
a
lot
we
don't
know
and
a
lot
has
got
to
come
out.
I
fully
understand
that,
but
it's
something
we
will
have
to
review
in
in
line
with
what
the
chair
says,
we'll
have
to
reconsider
our
climate
emergency
changes
and
our
effects
on
policy
and
certainly
pakistan
city
would
seem
to
be
an
absolute
number
in
that
direction.
E
A
Thanks,
council
mckenna,
I
mean
yeah,
I
you
know,
I
represented
an
initiative
award
myself
as
well
and
it
it
is
a
concern.
I
think,
especially
the
last
four
months
have
given
everyone
a
if
it
was
needed,
a
refresher
and
a
reappraisal
about
the
importance
of
urban
green
spaces
and
how
important
to
quality
life
here.
So
I
am
acutely
aware
of
that.
Martin
is
there
anything
you
want
to
add.
H
You
can
do
it
yeah
other
than
other
than
chair,
just
to
say
that
there
is
nothing
to
stop
these
sites
coming
back
in
as
part
of
a
future
local
plan
or
site
allocations
review,
but
clearly
they
would
still
remain
if
they
were
to
go
back
in
the
greenbelt.
They
would
still
remain
green
belts
so
that
the
usual
national
policy
tests
would
apply
in
terms
of
taking
those
out.
But
but
I
understand,
council
mckenna's
concerns.
H
There
was
an
awful
lot
of
of
brownfield
land
included
within
the
site
allocations
plan
review,
but
members
were
keen
that
this
wasn't
just
about
providing
housing
in
the
city
centre
in
the
inner
area.
This
was
providing
a
spread
so
that
everyone
within
leeds
is
authority
had
the
opportunity
to
to
purchase
a
a
a
new
home.
E
Check
check
out
yourself
a
word
please,
and
of
course
I
I
didn't
mean
to
mention
it
martin,
but
we
have
the
allocation
of
thousands
through
their
the
area's
characteristic
area,
which
means
some
areas
are
taking
very
little
of
the
pain.
You
know,
and
that
seems
to
me
unfair
and
that's
not
how
we
set
out
to
do
it
in
the
first
place.
E
You
know
there
was
a
very
carefully
figured
out
that
each
each
characteristic
gary
would
take
their
fair
share
of
the
housing,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
when
there's
a
shortfall
like
this
again
to
repeat
myself,
the
inner
city
areas
is
lumped,
and
I
don't
find
that
acceptable
at
all.
A
J
Feeny,
it
was
just
just
following
up
on
that
point.
Really.
I
think
martin's
covered
it
in
part,
but
at
the
heart
of
the
the
strategic
housing
market
assessment
it
was
to
look
at
sort
of
housing
need
across
the
district,
and
I
think
as
martinez.
J
This
is
about
meeting
a
range
of
needs
spatially
throughout
leeds
and
its
communities
and
being
mindful
that
just
providing
in
one
area
doesn't
meet
the
needs
in
other
areas.
Necessarily,
so
I
think
the
point
that
comes
from
mckenna
made
about
that
sort
of
balance
and
the
distribution
is
at
the
heart
of
what
we've
been
trying
to
achieve.
I
think
overlaying
that,
in
terms
of
the
local
planning
review
going
forward,
it's
about
thinking
about
that
distribution
through
the
climate
change
and
so
to
speak.
A
A
No,
no
thank
you
david
there's,
a
bit
of
white
noise
on
you
when
you're
talking
just
as
a
heads
up,
I'm
not
quite
sure
why.
J
J
A
Okay,
thank
you
move
your
microphone
david
slightly,
wonderful!
They
are
very
sensitive.
No,
no
thanks
for
update,
though
it's
really
important
right.
Can
I
ask
colleagues
when
you've
spoken?
Can
you
put
your
hands
down
on
the
the
on
the
participations
list
because
I've
all
four
of
you
wanted
speakers
still
up?
A
A
Obviously
we'll
bring
an
update
back
to
his
panel
as
soon
as
we
hear
anything
as
martin's
said
that's
going
to
be
now
in
in
in
the
autumn,
as
the
the
court
has
risen
so
members,
okay,
that
we
move
on
to
the
local
plan
review,
which-
and
just
to
reiterate
you
know-
climate
emergency
is
the
most
pressing
issue
we
face.
It
is
more
pressing
than
covered
19
in
terms
of
what
it
would
mean
for
the
city
as
a
whole.
A
They're
both
pressing,
but
I
think
just
climate
emergency-
has
that
long
term
threat
to
civilization,
and
I
say
that
again
for
the
second
time
just
to
stress
the
import
I
put
on
it
and
the
council
puts
on
it.
So
on
that
now,
martin
and
adam
who's,
leading
off
with
this.
It's.
I
I
Lee's
local
plan
sets
the
land
use
and
spatial
planning
framework
for
how
leads
will
develop.
The
current
leads
local
planners
are
set
to
five
development
plan
documents,
mainly
covering
the
period
between
2012
and
2028,
but
with
some
policies
covering
up
to
2033,
as
well
as
reviewing
the
sap
the
council
committed
in
its
local
development
scheme
to
review
and
update
other
policies
and
plans.
I
Members
will
recall
that
local
authorities
are
required
by
the
town
and
country
planning
act,
regulations
2012
to
review
the
policies
that
make
up
the
local
plan
every
five
years
since
january,
a
review
of
extant
local
plan
policies
has
been
undertaken.
This
helps
show
how
existing
policies
are
performing
their
conformity
with
national
guidance
and
whether
an
update
needs
to
be
considered.
There
are
over
250
policies
in
the
local
plan.
It
is
not
proposed
that
they
all
need
to
be
updated.
I
Some
such
as
those
updated
by
course,
strategy,
selected
review,
site
allocations
plan
and
the
air
valley
leads
area.
Action
plan
are
very
recently
adopted
and
remain
up
to
date.
Appendix
1
in
the
agenda
pack
shows
the
results
of
that
review.
It
concludes
that
there
are
policies,
including
some
of
the
spatial
policies
of
the
course
strategy
and
policies
in
the
natural
resources
and
waste
plan
and
saved
udp,
where
the
evidence
base
needs
refreshing
or,
while
local
circumstances
have
changed,
to
warrant
consideration
of
an
update
within
the
context
of
national
planning,
guidance,
evidence
and
local
priorities.
I
I
The
council's
local
development
scheme
was
agreed
by
panel
in
january
2020.
It
sets
three
work
three-year
work
program
for
local
for
leeds
local
plan
and
noted
that
the
scope
of
the
leads
local
plan
update
would
be
determined
through
a
the
review
of
local
plan
policies
to
see
if
they
needed
updating
and
be
in
response
to
council
priorities.
In
particular,
the
climate
emergency.
I
It
is
noted
that
full
council
on
the
11th
of
september
2019
approved
a
commitment
that
a
future
plan
review
should
include
a
strategic
plan
to
one
plant
more
trees,
two
place
a
greater
emphasis
on
sustainable
and
active
travel
to
new
developments
and
three
review
policy
sb12
related
to
leeds
bradford
airport.
I
think
it's
important
just
to
kind
of
touch
on
terminology
here
or
how
officers
are
using
the
terminology
just
so
that
we're
clear
the
local
plan
review
and
the
local
plan
update
they're,
essentially
opposite
sides
of
the
same
coin.
I
I
I
Therefore,
one
approach
would
be
to
focus
on
those
policies
within
the
local
plan
which
can
contribute
towards
reducing
carbon
emissions.
However,
policies
to
mitigate
and
adapt
to
the
impacts
of
climate
change
and
policies
to
promote
sustainable
development
are
very
much
interrelated.
The
shape
of
strategic
and
non-strategic
policies
on
the
climate
emergency
can
be
summarized
as
follows.
I
The
spatial
strategy,
the
local
plan
update,
provides
an
opportunity
to
strengthen
policies
on
the
location
of
development
densities,
of
development
in
the
most
sustainable
places,
maximization
of
brownfield
land,
avoiding
flood
risk
and
accessibility,
development,
close
to
public
transport
hubs
and
or
active
travel
routes,
carbon
reduction
and
sustainable
design
and
construction.
The
local
plan
update
can
consider
policies
for
net
zero
carbon
buildings
in
leeds,
and
the
council
now
needs
to
develop
an
evidence
base
that
shows
how
this
can
be
justified
and
achieved.
I
Renewable
and
low
carbon
energy
generation
and
district
heating.
The
local
plant
update
can
explore
the
role
of
local,
low-carbon
and
renewable
energy
potential
within
leeds.
There
is
an
opportunity
to
identify
suitable
sites
for
renewable
and
low-carbon
energy
sources,
such
as
solar,
wind
and
geothermal
heat
distribution,
and
for
energy
storage,
green
and
blue
infrastructure,
including
tree
cover
green
space
and
biodiversity.
I
There
are
opportunities
to
set
targets
and
make
land
available
for
new
tree
planting
and
other
measures
to
improve
tree
cover
natural
flood
risk
management
options
are
preferred
and
there
are
opportunities
to
reinforce
and
strengthen
policies
on
the
use
of
sustainable
drainage
systems,
which
known
as
suds,
sustainable
travel,
car,
free
living
and
walkable
neighborhoods.
There
needs
to
be
closer
alignment
between
development
and
transport
planning,
so
the
options
for
car,
free
living
and
walkable
neighborhoods
can
be
realistically
considered.
I
Next
slide,
please,
following
the
initial
scoping
work
that
was
undertaken
on
the
local
pun
update
the
world
has
been
hit
by
the
kobe
19
pandemic,
which
has
had
a
profound
impact
on
all
aspects
of
life
within
the
country
of
particular
importance
to
local
plan.
Update
is
the
impact
that
pandemic
has
had
on
employment,
both
in
terms
of
employment
levels,
but
also
more
broadly,
its
impact
on
employment
patterns
such
as
commuting
and
office
floor
space
demand.
I
Obviously,
it's
impacted
the
retail
sector
and
the
resilience
of
our
high
streets
profoundly,
but
also
as
as
chair
noted,
the
people's
access
to
green
space
has
been
a
particularly
huge
issue
over
the
last
four
months.
This
has
resulted
in
a
reassessment
of
the
need
for
future
policies
in
light
of
kobe
19
and
that
work
is
still
ongoing.
I
In
addition,
further
policies
are
being
explored,
including
infrastructure
and
investment,
with
a
particular
focus
on
hs2,
the
city
station
and
mass
transit
and
place
making,
which
could
set
out
the
strategic
role
that
place
making
plays
in
different
communities
in
terms
of
ensuring
resilient
and
stronger
communities
alongside
meeting
council
priorities,
whilst
maintaining
and
enhancing
local
character
and
distinctiveness
next
slide.
Please
thank
you.
I
This
plan
making
process
is
happening
in
the
context
of
major
changes
to
the
planning
system,
as
signaled
by
the
government.
Changes
to
permitted
development
rights
and
particularly
impacts,
which
will
particularly
impact
on
the
delivery
of
housing
and
town
centre,
uses
and
very
recent
changes
which
predate
the
writing
of
this
report,
but
to
the
use
class
order,
which
will
impact
on
sound
center
uses,
particularly
the
local
plan
update,
will
have
to
take
account
of
all
of
these
changes
as
and
when
they
are
finalized
and
understand
its
implications.
I
The
first
regulatory
milestone
in
this
timetable
is
the
initial
stage
of
public
consultation,
known
as
regulation
18
consultation,
which
was
initially
scheduled
for
autumn
winter
2020,
but
has
been
delayed
as
a
result
of
the
sap
legal
challenge
and
covert
19..
It
is
now
indicatively
scheduled
to
start
in
spring
2021.
I
The
relevant
regulations
specify
that,
as
part
of
the
plan
preparation
process,
we
should
invite
representations
and
what
the
local
panel
to
contain,
whilst
being
mindful
of
the
need
to
not
prejudge
the
outcome
of
that
consultation,
it
is
considered
that
it
would
be
helpful
and
speed
up
the
process
if
the
council's
preferred
scope
of
policies
were
used
as
a
means
of
generating
responses
to
the
plan
at
that
early
stage.
This
would
hopefully
help
shorten
the
time
scale
for
preparation
and
focus
comments.
I
A
Great,
thank
you
very
much
awesome.
So
thanks
for
adam
and
so
effectively
that
and
then
next
stage
of
our
discussion,
colleagues
is
what
do
we
think
should
be
in
scope
and
if
there's
anything
of
particular
detail
importance.
I
think
that
this
is
the
an
opportune
time
to
discuss
it.
A
I
think
our
our
starter
for
10
really
is
despite
the
limitations
of
national
piling
policy
and
that's
in
a
state
of
flux
at
the
moment,
which
is
a
concern,
and
I
think
that'll
be
a
subject
of
our
next-
an
update,
our
next
panel
meeting
and
the
government
to
thrash
out
some
of
his
plans.
A
It's
going
to
be
some
some
action
in
parliament
regarding
planning
this
coming
week.
Well,
this
week.
Rather
so
I
I
I
guess
I
start
for
ten
years
and
it's
how
do
we
get
new,
build
housing
and
an
apartment
housing
in
leeds
to
zero
carbon
or
as
near
to
zero
carbon
as
feasible
within
the
scope
of
this
local
plan
review?
I
think
that's,
probably
a
big
central
question
for
us
to
to
be
able
to
answer
and
to
be
able
to
have
those
policies
in
place.
A
My
second
sort
of
broad
scope
area
is
particularly
the
last
four
months
have
shown
us
somewhat
of
a
different
world,
despite
the
most
tragic
of
reasons
for
it
and
awful
reasons
for
it.
But
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
localities
again
and
about
how
people
can
exist
in
their
local
communities.
Far
more
early
and
that's
led
to
discussions
of
things
like
50
minute,
neighborhoods
I.e.
A
Can
I,
from
my
home
reasonably
do
the
things
I
need
to
do
within
a
50-minute,
walk
or
cycle
or
some
form
of
active
travel.
I
think
that's
something
we
should
also
consider
so
given
those
points,
I'll
rather
open
it
for
other
of
the
members
adam
martin
and
david,
and
then
we
can
probably
come
back
with
some
discussion
on
that.
So
I've,
david,
councilman
harrington,
kick
off
on
this
and
I'll
bring
you,
mr
feeny,
and
then
I've
got
don
barry
and
colin.
F
Thank
you,
chair,
you've
already
raised
the
the
point.
I
particularly
wanted.
J
F
Make
and
then
I
I
think
it's
really
really
important
and
we're
looking
at
active
travel
neighborhoods
for
existing
housing
at
the
moment
and
looking
to
roll
them
out
as
trials
in
some
of
our
communities.
F
But
actually,
if
you
look
around
the
world
kind
of
other
kind
of
leading
cities
are
doing
that
and
they're
looking
to
the
future
as
well.
So
if
you
look
at
paris
or
utrecht,
yeah,
you've
got
examples
in
near
european
neighbours
where
this
is
being
done
very
successfully
and
and
the
idea
being
that
within
maybe
20
minute
walk
cycle
or
public
transport
journey.
F
You
can
get
all
the
basic
daily
essentials
that
you
need
from
from
where
you
live,
and
given
the
experience
of
covid,
where
people
have
under
lockdown
had
to
stay
local
worked
from
home
with
the
exception,
obviously
of
key
workers.
F
I
think
there's
a
growing
interest
in
being
able
to
facilitate
that
so
with
local
amenities
being
accessible
within
that
short
journey
time
from
home,
to
support
that
kind
of
community
regeneration,
and
I
think
there's
this
really
great
potential
for
this,
including
you
know,
reducing
carbon
emissions,
improving
air
quality
and
improving
physical
health
and
well-being,
because
people
then
choose
to
walk
cycle
scoots
to
their
local
amenities,
rather
than
driving
to
something
further
away
to
get
the
things
that
they
need
for
the
day-to-day
lives.
F
So
I'm
really
really
keen
just
to
look
at
that
as
an
area
under
those
new
local
plan.
A
Yeah,
no,
I
agree
entirely
absolutely
there's
a
really
good
and
strong
opportunity
to
hear
all
those
notes.
Isn't
that
david
you
want
to
come
in
now.
J
Thank
you
chair.
I
think
council
muharram
should
have
picked
up
on
some
of
the
the
themes
I
was
going
to
raise.
It's
just
just
a
few
observations.
If
I
may,
I
think.
J
Thing
is
the
impending
planning
reforms.
I
think
we
do
need
to
be
mindful
of
the
implications
of
those
and
there's
there's
meant
to
be
a
planning
policy
paper,
as
it's
been
described,
issued
this
week,
and
we
need
to
understand
what
that
is
what's
been
proposed,
what
the
consultation
is
and
then
how
that's
going
to
lead
to
change
in
terms
of
nppf
or
national
planning
legislation.
J
And
I
think
one
of
the
issues
for
us
is
that
our
sort
of
longer
term
strategy
isn't
overwhelmed
by
shorter
term
measures.
The
initiatives
coming
out
of
government
which
might
compromise
that
sort
of
longer
term
structural
change
that
I
think
we
need
to
be
working
toward
in
terms
of
dealing
with
climate,
emergency
and
future
proofing.
J
The
city-
because
you
know
rightly
so-
there's
been
a
number
of
adjustments
to
aspects
of
planning
to
support
economic
recovery
or
community
resilience
in
terms
of
flexibilities
which
have
been
important
but
there's
a
longer
term
set
of
issues
here,
which
we
need
to
be
sort
of
embedding
and
applying
in
terms
of
our
policy
and
our
strategy
going
forward.
So
that's
sort
of
a
general
point
on
the
planning
reforms.
I
think
in
terms
of
the
important
point
council
oil
show
you've
made
about
the
issues
associated
with
the
performance
standards
of
new
properties.
J
I
mean
that's
clearly
very,
very
important,
especially
meeting
our
housing
requirement.
In
parallel
with
that,
though,
I
think
we
also
need
to
be
pressing
to
enable
easier
and
effective
retrofit
of
the
existing
housing
and
commercial
stock
as
well,
because,
given
that
most
of
you
know,
leed
is
already
here
so
to
speak.
There's
a
challenge
there
in
terms
of
retrofitting
the
existing
fabric
of
the
city,
to
make
sure
that
makes
a
positive
contribution
as
well.
J
So
I
would
hope
that
the
government
reforms
would
help
to
enable
planning
to
have
a
positive
impact
on
that
in
some
ways.
So
I
think
that's
important
to
to
thread
into
all
of
this
as
well
and
then,
finally,
you
know
very
valid
points
that
have
been
made
by
councilman
herron
about
the
importance
of
living
locally
and
some
of
the
initiatives
which
are
current
and
and
effective
elsewhere
in
into
the
cities.
J
But
I
think
there's
been
a
recognition
through
what
you've
been
saying:
council
walsh
about
local
infrastructure
within
a
15-minute
traveling
time
to
active
travel
locally,
and
I
wonder
if,
through
the
plan,
there's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
reimagine
the
role
of
town
and
local
centers
as
almost
local
supply
chain
hubs,
you
know
there's
a
way
of
reimagining
their
role
in
terms
of
how
do
they
fit
within
that
sort
of
service
infrastructure,
but
at
a
local
level.
J
So
if
people
are
increasingly
reliant
and
necessarily
so
on
on
local
travel
to
get
the
things
they
need,
then
there's
a
resource
opportunity
there
if
local
centers
are
within
reasonable
distance
of
where
people
are
living
and
can
they
be
repurposed
in
a
way
that
enables
them
to
meet
these
broader
needs.
So
just
a
few
thoughts,
if
that's
helpful,
thank.
A
You
no
really
really
helpful.
I
I
agree
entirely
so
I've
councillor
collins
is
next.
B
Thanks
chef,
I
think
for
me
personally,
one
of
the
prior
host
priorities
is
people's
access
to
green
space,
especially
in
the
inner
city
and
the
surrounding
areas
where
it
is
very
urban,
and
I
just
wonder
if
there's
more,
we
need
to
do
in
our
policies
to
make
sure
that
developers
do
actually
provide
more
green
space
on
site.
There
are
some
good
developers
who
see
that
putting
the
green
space
in
will
actually
help
them,
sell
their
properties
or
let
out
their
properties
and
therefore
do
it.
B
But
it's
we're
seeming
to
be
very
much
dependent
on
the
developers
choice
at
the
moment
and
I'm
just
wondering
what
we
can
do
to
strengthen
our
point
that
they
have
to
put
more
green
space
in
it.
It's
great.
B
The
idea
of
you
can
go
somewhere
like
a
park
within
15
minutes
or
20
minutes,
but
I
don't
know
about
other
people,
but
I
just
I
like
going
out
my
back
door
and
sitting
in
my
back
garden
when
I've
just
got
a
sandwich,
and
I
might
only
be
there
for
10
minutes,
but
it
it
makes.
You
feel
an
awful
lot
better
if
you
can
actually
do
that.
A
No
it
it's
a
good
point.
I
I
think
if
members
cast
their
mind
back
to
when
we
started
this
process
before
the
current
pandemic,
unpleasantness
started.
One
thing
I
I
did
raise
as
a
suggestion
is
effectively
making
hedgerows
mandatory
rather
than
fencing,
because
that
would
make
at
a
what
should,
I
would
hope,
be
a
relatively
simple
policy
adjustment,
obviously
sometimes
famous
last
words,
of
course,
but
at
a
stroke
you
would
gain
a
lot
more
green,
green
infrastructure.
A
What
a
dreadful,
what
a
dreadful
consultant's
phrase:
green
infrastructure,
but
hedgeroys,
more
biodiversity,
more
carbon
capture,
more
local
oxygen,
just
better
for
everybody,
and
I
think
that's
I
I
agree.
I
think
so.
Officers
have
a
mind
to
adam
and
martin
to
to
strengthen
green
space
requirements
before
we
get
some
get
officers
to
come
in.
I
want
to
get
barry
and
colin
have
indicated.
They
want
to
speak
so
and
then
so,
let's
go
with
council
anderson
and
then
councillor
campbell
and
councillor
richie
and
then
bring
offices
in
for
a
session
thanks.
C
I
would
like
to
make
just
a
some
a
general
comment,
your
game
with
and
then
go
into
specifics.
Sure
in
terms
of
general
comments.
C
In
the
light
of
what
was
said
about
the
delay
because
of
the
urban
judgement
it,
it
would
be
good
if
we
could
get
some
interim
timetable
out
as
to
what
we
what
we
can
do
prior
to
that
one
coming
out.
In
other
words,
what
can
we
get
done
that
isn't
necessarily
dependent
on
that
particular
judgment,
because
there
are
things
to
do
with
the
high
streets,
for
example,
and
in
terms
of
climate
change
that
we
could
probably
get
on
with
just
now?
C
At
the
moment,
I
think
we've
all
got
an
excellent
understanding
of
economic
sustainability
in
terms
of
the
three
tests
within
the
nppf,
but
I
would
argue
that
we've
probably
got
hindi's
57
varieties
on
the
other
two
as
to
what
they
actually
mean.
Now
it's
not
divine
defined
within
the
nppf,
and
so
it
is
a
lawyer's
charter.
C
The
way
that
it's
set
out,
but
recently
on
one
or
two
plans
panels.
There
has
been
complications
because
of
not
really
understanding
what
the
council's
view
is
on
those
two
particular
items
and
what
individual
plans
panel
members
interpretation
of
those
items
are
never
mind
the
public,
not
necessarily
understanding.
So
that's
the
generality
in
terms
of
specifics,
surely
we
could
get
on
with
some
work
on
the
natural
resources
and
waste
plan
because
I
don't
think
that's
affected
directly
by
the
urban
situation
and
that
one
was
2013.
C
So
at
some
time
the
world
has
changed
a
lot
in
that
time
in
terms
of
distances
we
might
have
thought
was
acceptable
to
bring
in
materials
in
the
past
now.
This
can
have
a
detrimental
effect
on
some
of
our
areas.
I
accept
what
I'm
saying
could
have
a
detrimental
effect,
but
if
we're
trying
to
reduce
the
distances
to
bring
in
materials
and
various
other
things,
then
we
need
to
have
a
look
and
a
view
on
it,
so
that
at
least
we
can
have
an
honest
discussion
with
the
public.
C
In
terms
of
the
implications
of
it
in
terms
of
paragraph
2.29
and
the
I
do
think
we
need
to
get
a
paper
as
quickly
as
possible
on
what
the
pd
rights
and
the
effect
that
they're
going
to
have
in
the
city
center.
I
heard
what
council
mckenna
said
earlier
on
about
potentially
more
housing
going
into
the
city
centre.
Well,
one
of
the
unintended
consequences
or
intended
consequences,
depending
on
how
kind
you
want
to
be
to
the
government,
is
that
we
might
find
a
number
of
office
blocks
coming
forward
for
conversion
over
to
housing.
C
So,
what's
going
to
be
the
implications
of
that,
and
also
the
lack
of
appropriate
green
space
around
those
particular
city
centre
locations,
how
are
we
going
to
square
that
circle?
Because
I
do
think
that
there
is
a
contradiction
in
that
particular
one
there
and
there's
also
the
contradiction
between
having
a
thriving
city
centre
and
high
streets
as
grant
chaps
has
found
out
for
himself
that
his
policy
he's
now
arguing
against
his
policy.
C
Officially,
because
he's
now
been
told
by
his
high
streets
that
he's
now
cutting
off
the
sustainability
of
them,
because
you
can't
get
any
place
to
park,
you
can't
park
outside
shops
and
various
other
things
like
that.
So
we've
got
these
are
decisions
and
discussions
that
we've
got
to
have
in
terms
of
the
contradictions
that
are
in
place.
C
Then,
if
I
move
on
to
paragraph
316
in
terms
of
cross-boundary
matters,
one
of
the
issues
that
if
andrew
carter
had
been
here
today,
I
know
he
would
have
brought
up-
is
brad
bradford's
proposals
for
building
this
link
road.
He
sat
he
listened
into.
I
think
it
was
a
scrutiny
meeting
that
was
taking
place
in
bradford
recently,
where
it
was
firmly
still
on
the
agenda.
C
The
next
one
I'd
be
interesting
to
know
what
officers
views
are
on
paragraph
318,
which
is
about
original
level.
The
impacts
of
the
west
yorkshire
devolution
deal
because
I
asked
a
question
at
scrutiny
on
this
and
was
given
an
assurance
that
there
would
be
little
or
no
effect.
Now
I
don't
agree
with
that
answer.
I
got,
and
I
know
from
speaking
to
some
officers.
They
are
equally
concerned
about
this.
So
what
was
actually
said,
and
can
we
get
it
made
public?
C
What
was
said
in
our
council's
response
back
in
this
particular
area,
and
on
that
we
maybe
need
to
look
at
what
things
need
to
be
devolved
down
to
a
more
local
level
to
community
committee
level,
for
example
in
terms
of
powers
and
suggestions
and
working
through
some
of
those
examples,
because
I
think
we
would
all
agree
that
the
best
way
of
sorting
any
pandemic
out
in
the
future
is
to
take
it
down
to
the
lowest
possible
level.
And
the
example
I
gave
at
council
was
the
volunteers.
C
I've
covered
the
town
centres
and
it'd
be
interesting
to
know
what
is
meant
by
in
paragraph
319,
managing
the
growth
of
leeds
airport,
because
that's
obviously
very
controversial.
Just
now,
I'm
trying
to
explain
to
some
people
what
is
happening
with
planning
applications
and
what
the
greater
expansion
is
going
to
be
is
proving
very
difficult.
So
I
do
think
we
need
some
clarity
on
that.
We
need,
as
a
development
plans
panel
green
infrastructure.
Yes,
I
do
think
we
need
to
do
a
heck
of
a
lot
more
on
that
climate
change.
Well,
council
grown.
C
So
I
do
think
it's
important,
because
sometimes
members
appear
to
have
a
greater
understanding
as
to
what
we're
trying
to
do
as
a
council
than
necessarily
some
of
the
planning
officers
do
and
we
need
to
try
and
resolve
that
one
way
or
the
other.
We
need
to
get
clarity
so
that
we're
both
talking
about
the
same
the
same
things
and
then
I
just
go
through
to
the
end.
Where
we've
got
appendix
one.
C
C
It
says
that
there's
no,
it's
not
considered
it's
considered
to
be
up
to
date
in
conformity
with
the
nppf,
but
we
might
have
to
look
again
at
how
we're
going
to
do
it,
particularly
in
respect
of
what
the
chair
said
about
the
15
minute
distances,
because
some
places
are
detached,
semi-detached,
fully
detached
from
the
rest
of
leads
and
the
same
with
potentially
policy
h2
as
well
policy.
H4
again,
I
fell
foul
of
that
the
other
day
when
it
plans
panel,
when
I
was
trying
to
argue
what
was
meant
and
what
it
actually
says.
C
C
And
then
policy
g3
standards
for
open
space,
sport
and
recreation
again
taking
into
consideration
what's
said
about
city
centers
and
about
the
15-minute
thing
I
do
think
we
need
to
look
at
that
again
officer
recommendation
is
no,
and
it's
considered
to
be
up
to
date.
I
would
suggest
not
so
I
know
that's
a
lot,
but
it
is
something
that
I
take
very
very
seriously
what
we're
trying
to
do
here-
and
this
is
the
opportunity
that
we've
got
to
try
and
bring
clarity,
we'll
have
differences
of
opinion.
C
A
No
thanks,
I
know
there's
a
lot
barry,
but
that's
fine.
This
is
the
this
is
the
the
forum
for
that
probably,
what
would
be
a
good
idea
now
is
because
between
myself,
councilman
herren
council
of
collins
council
anderson
has
been
quite
quite
a
lot
of
of
member
questions
and
quite
a
lot
of
points
raised.
What
I've
proposed
to
do
is
bring
in
officers
now
and
then
post
that
we've
got
councillors,
campbell,
richie,
arif
and
gruen
to
come
in.
I
think
that's,
probably
the
best
way
of
dividing
dividing
this
up.
I
Shall
I
shall
I
come
back
on
that
chair
adam
and,
if,
obviously,
if
other
officers
notice,
I
haven't
picked
up
him
for
a
comment.
Please
please
step
in,
I
will
be
looking
to
my
left
just
to
look
at
the
notes.
I've
I've
made
so
please
bear
with
me,
but
in
terms
of
yeah
the
points
you
you
may
share
in
terms
of
how
how
do
we?
How
do
we
go
about
a
policy
approach
to
to
make
our
development
zero
carbon?
I
Essentially
we're
already
pursuing
that
angle
in
terms
of
the
energy
performance
through
the
the
siak
working
groups,
we're
engaging
with
the
green
building
council
and
we're
we're
trying
to
capture
good
practice
elsewhere.
There's
lots
of
good
practices
out
there
at
the
moment,
including
london,
but
other
authorities
too.
I
We
are
lobbying
government
in
terms
of
trying
to
get
them
to
be
more
ambitious
about
building
regulations
because
that's
obviously
a
major
part
of
of
the
energy
efficiency
standards
of
buildings
as
well,
and
whilst
obviously
that
dovetails
with
with
the
planning
system,
it's
not
necessarily
directly
affected
by
policy.
I
C
I
Cancer
anderson
who
spoke
about
it,
the
three
stands
of
sustainability
and
and-
and
that
has
to
be
a
major
plank
of
any
evidence
that
we
produce-
that
any
any
efficiency
standards
that
we
we
set
do
have
to
be
demonstrably
viable
and
that's
work
that
we
know
that
we
need
to
do
what
wants
a
kind
of
a
preferred
scope
of
what
these
policies
might
be.
We
can
we
can
start
to
test
the
viability
of
that,
but
but
that's
that's,
that's
our
approach.
I
The
the
easiest
part
in
a
sense
is
writing
the
policies
in
some
respects,
because
we
can,
we
can
set
out
standards
fairly
easily,
but
to
understand
whether
these
are
achievable
as
the
real
is
the
real
crux
of
it,
and
so
that's
where
the
real
effort
needs
to
go
cancer
mulherins
points
back
to
travel
yeah.
I
I
completely
agree
with
that.
We'd
also
I'd
also
read
up
on
those
kind
of
15-minute
neighborhoods
and
I
think
that's
that's
a
way
of.
I
As
david
said,
it's
probably
a
way
of
of
helping
our
local
town
centers
in
a
way
that
anecdotally,
we've
heard
that
they
they
have
benefited
from
in
some
respects.
Probably
quite
narrowly,
I
accept
that
from
from
the
lockdown
in
some
respects
that
people
have
been
forced
to
shop
locally,
some
local
centers
may
have
been
may
have
benefited
from
that.
I
I
We
probably
look
at
a
higher
level,
and
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity
to
perhaps
look
down
on
a
kind
of
a
medium
grain
which
I
think
is
is
is
really
important,
because
it's
not
just
about
access
to
to
retail,
it's
obviously
access
to
to
green
space
and
and
other
infrastructure
as
well,
which
were
really
important.
So,
yes,
I
I
think
that's
something
that
we
can.
We
can
certainly
look
at
just
going
through
the
the
other
comments.
I
Councilor
collins,
yeah,
there's
there
is
an
issue
in
terms
of
delivery
of
green
space
on
site,
one
of
the
the
the
tasks
of
the
core
strategy.
Selective
review
was
to
update
the
policy
on
green
space
delivery
and
that
re-emphasized
the
importance
of
delivering
on-site
now.
Clearly,
that's
a
fairly
recent
policy.
So
it's
going
to
take
time
for
that
to
bed
in
in
terms
of
development
management
decisions
and
building
on
the
ground,
but
we
certainly
hope
that
that
will
see
improvements
of
delivery
of
green
space
on
site.
I
However,
I
think
an
avenue
that
we
well
on
that
point.
Obviously
we
need
to
keep
that
under
review.
We
need
to
monitor
that
to
make
sure
that
that
is
actually
happening,
which
is
something
that
we're
currently
doing
anyway
through
green
space
monitoring
work.
So
that's
something
to
certainly
keep
in
mind
in
terms
of
the
city
centre
aspect,
though
our
our
policies
as
it
stands
doesn't
require
any
green
space
where
developments
are
less
than
0.5
of
a
hectare,
and
I
think
that's
something
that
we
probably
really
need
to
look
at
again.
I
Okay,
in
terms
of
in
because
there's
particular
pressures
aren't
there
in
in
the
city
centre
area
for
people,
whilst
the
city,
the
authority
as
a
whole
has
obviously
put
a
huge
amount
of
investment
into
new
sort
of
pocket
parks.
The
one
outside
marion
is
a
really
good
example
of
that,
and
there
are
others
there's.
I
Obviously
the
the
city
park,
which
is
a
lot
of
work,
is
underway
to
deliver
and
that
will
obviously
see
a
real
improvement,
but
I
think
if
we
can
lever
in
more
investment
through
through
developments,
that's
going
to
be
really
positive
as
well,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
this
is
usable,
green
space
and
that's
that's
a
really
key
thing,
so
I
think
looking
at
that
threshold,
certainly
from
an
office
point
of
view,
I
think
that's
something
that
we're
keen
to
consider
if
members
are
likewise
just
going
through
councillor
walt
shaw
again,
you
made
the
point
about
hedgerows
rather
than
fencing,
I
think
yeah.
I
Absolutely
we
can.
We
can
consider
the
viability
and
of
that
as
an
approach
and,
in
effect,
that's
design
guidance.
Isn't
it.
I
think
it's
about
place
making
really
about
how
we
make
places
more
attractive,
more
resilient
and
be
more
creative
in
the
way
that
we
can
deliver
some
of
these
solutions.
Counselor
anderson
in
terms
of
internal
timetable,
absolutely
yeah.
We
we
can
make
sure
that
we
can
progress
that
and
make
sure
that's
available.
I
I
don't
know
whether
you
wanted
it
for
the
next
meeting
or
in
advance
of
the
next
meeting,
but
certainly
there
are
lots
of
things
that
we're
doing
right
now
in
terms
of
updating
topic
papers
that
haven't
been
delayed,
necessarily
by
kobe
19.
What
they
have
been
is
forced
to
reconsider
in
a
sense,
particularly
on
issues
like
green
space
or
town
centers.
So
that's
that's
forced
us
to
reconsider
our
thinking.
In
many
respects
it
won't
necessarily
change
it.
As
martin
said
I
think
earlier.
Perhaps
it
was
david.
I
The
the
pressures
on
our
town
centers
haven't
necessarily
been
caused
by
kovic
19,
but
they
certainly
have
been
exacerbated
by
them.
They
were
already
struggling
and
that
has
gone
into
sort
of
a
free
fall
in
some
respects
as
a
result
of
kobe
19,
and
we
can
see
that
in
full
figures.
In
the
city
centre,
but
yeah,
we
can
certainly
develop
a
timetable
for
how
we'll
progress
on
this
work.
I
I
mean
the
the
first
point,
as
I
said
in
my
presentation,
was
to
prepare
essentially
topic
by
topic
papers
for
consideration
of
panel
members
at
dpp
to
show
options
in
terms
of
policy
formation
and,
if
that's
supported,
that's
obviously
something
we
can
timetable
through
and
for
the
next
few
months.
If
that's,
if
that's
helpful,.
I
Just
going
through
cancer
anderson's,
there
are
a
few
there,
so
I'll
try
and
do
it
briefly
a
better
definition
of
what
is
meant
by
environmental
and
social.
I
I
I
think
this
is
a
tricky
issue
for
us
to
grasp
with.
Clearly
national
policy
as
you've
suggested,
doesn't
necessarily
provide
a
huge
amount
of
detail.
I
think
what
we
have
to
do
is
make
sure
that
it's
sustainable
against.
I
You
know
core
strategy
objectives
against
best
council
planning
priorities
and
use
that
as
the
basis
for
for
what
we're
seeking
to
achieve
and
make
that
perhaps
vagueness
at
a
national
level
work
for
us
on
a
local
level
where
we
can
put
our
own
stamp
on
what
we
mean
for
leads
for
these
things.
Pd
rights,
yeah,
there's,
there's
a
huge
amount
of
change.
It's
something
that
david
touched
on,
there's
a
huge
amount
of
change
happening
to
our
high
streets.
I
I
think
one
of
those
first
topic
papers
that
perhaps
benefit
from
coming
is
a
look
at
high
streets,
because
I
think
that
can
consider
the
impacts
of
pd
rights
and
the
impacts
of
changes
to
the
use
class
order
which
were
announced
last
week
and
are
going
to
have
quite
a
profound
impact
on
what
users
can
change
to
others
without
the
requirement
of
planning
permission
yeah.
So
I
think
that's
something
we
could
bring
as
a
as
a
as
an
earlier,
rather
than
later
topic
paper.
B
I
Cross
boundary
working.
Yes,
we
recognize
the
importance
of
that
that
the
systems
we
already
have
set
up
in
terms
of
the
duty
to
cooperate.
I
would
hope,
are
robust
enough
to
deal
with
that
challenge.
They
have
worked
in
the
past.
Their
approach
has
been
found
sound
to
be
in
the
past
with
previous
plans,
so
we're
confident
that
that
will
be
the
case
moving
forward.
I
In
terms
of
the
regional
spatial
strategy,
I'm
not
developing
strategy,
rather
I'm
probably
not
close
enough
to
to
on
those
issues
to
talk
about,
so
it
might
benefit
from
parts
martin
or
david
if
they
wanted
to
come
in
on
those
elements.
But
I
think
that
was
everything.
I've
apologies.
If
I've
missed
anything
there.
A
No
comprehensive,
I
don't,
I
don't
think
you
did
david
martin.
What
did
you
do?
Is
there
anything
sure.
J
I
was
going
to
come
in
chair,
but
I'm
just
going
to
show
you
a
few
a
few
members
wishing
to
speak.
So
I'm
happy
to
pick
up
any
issues.
I
did
have
a
few
additional
comments
that
council
anderson
had
raised
to
come
back
and
underpoint
about
green
space,
but
marty
might
want
to
come
in
and
I'm
I'm
mindful
that
other
members
are
wanting
to
speak
as
well.
So
well,
I'm
happy
just
to
come
back
later.
If
that
would
be
helpful.
Well.
A
D
Thank
you
chair.
I
suppose
I'm
in
a
slightly
difficult
position
in
relation
to
the
current
policy
of
government,
which
seems
to
be
to
make
decisions
by
photo
opportunity.
So
we've
got
a
slight.
D
I
suppose
there
must
be
a
conflict
going
on
within
government
about
the
planning
system,
because
some
elements
seem
to
be
saying
well
effectively,
tear
up
all
the
regulations
and
get
get
on
with
it,
and
other
sections
appear
to
be
suggesting
things
that
would
require
more
legislation,
more
constraints.
So
I'm
not
sure
that's
that's
played
out
yet.
That
said,
I
found
myself
in
a
slightly
difficult
position
and
a
good
job
of
sitting
down
that.
I
actually
agree
with
everything
you
said
at
the
very
beginning.
D
Yeah,
well,
we
live
it
out.
We
live
it
out,
but
I
think,
certainly
within
the
city
council,
we
we
all
have
a
general
clear
view
about
the
direction
we
want
to
travel
and
particularly
I'm
interested
in
sustainable
housing
and
the
sustainable
beca
through
build
quality
but
sustainability
from
sight.
So
the
idea
of
the
15-minute
neighborhood
sounds
pretty
good
to
me.
D
The
green
space
one
has
been
a
long-standing
argument
of
mine
because
we
have
well
even
up
to
the
present
day,
been
allowing
developers
to
buy
out
of
their
green
belt
commitment
to
well
sorry,
their
green
space
commitment
within
housing
developments.
D
D
So
I
think
actually
the
demand
is
there
for
that
space
for
people
to
just
get
that
bit
of
freedom.
A
bit
of
emotionally
fresh
air,
a
bit
of
relief,
because
I
think
people
have
worked
out
that
green
space
actually
provides
you
with
some
mental
well-being.
And
I
I
there
there's
this
talk
about
the.
In
effect,
we
don't
ask
for
any
in
the
city
centre
and
I've
always
said
we
should
do,
and
I
I
think,
see
no
reason
why
groups
of
developers
shouldn't
get
together
and.
D
Put
in
a
combined
green
space
in
relation
to
several
developments,
can
I
just
take
an
issue
with,
and
I
can't
remember
which
officer
said
it,
but
they
referred
to
the
term
demonstrably
viable.
Now
my
experience
with
developers
is
that
their
view
is
nothing's,
viable.
D
A
Chair
yeah
thanks
council
campbell,
I
well
I
mean
we
have.
We
have
good
developers
who
are
keen
to
meet
policy
requirements
and
we
have
other
developers
that
try
their
damage
not
to
meet
any
other
policy
requirements,
that's
a
constant
struggle
for
is
it
where
the
officers
and
plans
panel
members.
I
think
everyone
have
real
concerns
about
the
the
current
changes
of
planning
system.
A
There
is
like
I
said
there
is
real
tensions
in
the
government
between
the
sort
of
the
sort
of
laissez-faire,
creative
destruction
types
and
those
who
are
perhaps
thinking
a
bit
more
in
a
more
structured
sense
planning
decisions.
Last
lifetimes
I
would
suggest
the
planning
system
is
not
the
problem
here.
The
planning
system
are
developed.
A
The
doors
to
the
slums
of
the
future-
and
I
think,
we're
already
seeing
that
in
certain
areas,
particularly
particularly
in
london,
there
have
been
some
frankly
appalling
developments
that
have
no
place
in
the
the
20th
century,
let
alone
the
20th
21st.
So
that
is
a
huge
concern
and
officers
are
going.
Gonna
have
to
be
sharpest
to
updating
members
on
on
all
these
changes,
and
we
would
be
lobbying
hard
as
a
council
against
the
ones
we
feel
are
unfair.
A
I
think
we're
gonna
bring
in
the
next
few
members
to
speak
and
then
we'll
get
officers
to
to
to
bring
those
points
all
together.
So
it's
castle
richie
next.
G
Thanks
jerry
just
to
endorse
the
crucial
matter
of
climate
change,
I'd
just
like
to
make
one
point
that
it's
so
important
that
we
reduce
that
threshold
before
the
requirements
of
the
end
one,
and
what
have
you
come
into
play
to
one
property?
I
guess
also,
they
want
to
pick
up
on
affordable
housing.
Members
are
always
keen
to
have
more
affordable
housing
government
make
noises
about
it,
but
it's
hard
to
keep
up
with
what
they
actually
mean
on
it.
G
To
be
honest
with
you
my
view
anyway,
yeah
h5,
which
I
think
is
a
affordable
housing,
isn't
mentioned
at
all
in
the
plan.
Really,
there
is
a
reference
to
in
the
appendix
one
to
h14
about
rural,
affordable
housing
and
that
will
be
under
reviewing
in
five
years,
but
nothing
on
h5.
G
So
I'd
just
like
to
clarify,
if
I
may
have
missed
it
and
apologies
if
I
have,
but
I
think
that
should
be
under
review,
because
that
is
a
massive
priority
for
members
of
this
council.
I
think
on
all
sides
to
be
fair.
So
if
you
could
clarify
that-
and
that's
me
don't
thank
you.
Okay,
thanks.
A
Kevin
sal:
do
you
want
to
come
in.
B
Yes,
chair,
thank
you.
I
guess
what
I
want
to
this
has
been
eluded
by
other
members.
Is
I'm
to
talk
about
planting
trees?
Obviously,
tree
planting
enhances
an
area,
but
also
it
also
absorbs
pollution
as
well,
and
I
think
what
I'm
keen
to
see
is
developers
actually
working
with
community
groups
in
the
area.
B
So
your
bloom
group,
even
school,
so
children's
get
their
children
get
to
have
a
say
in
terms
of
what
sort
of
tree
planting's
available
and
just
so
you
know
the
community
can
take
ownership
and
take
care
and
look
after
it,
and
I
think
that
those
conversations
really
really
need
to
happen
and-
and
I'm
just
really
would
hope
that
the
this
conversation
can
can
be
taken
further
and
we
encourage
developers
to
have
the
nation's
chair.
B
Thank
you,
chair
yeah.
My
point
is
a
bit
more
processing,
I'm
just
interested
in
in
the
process
of
how
these
are
going
to
be
reviewed
and
rebuilt,
because
lots
of
people
today
have
said
lots
of
important
things
about
the
policies
that
we
are
most
passionate
about.
You
know
green
infrastructure,
landscape,
en1
and
en
3.
Reducing
carbon
tree
cover
bio
diversity,
there's
waste
management
in
there
etc.
B
I
know
we've
got
the
seac
working
groups,
which
of
course
have
ceased
since
lockdown,
and
I
I
suggest
that
now
we're
all
on
a
platform
that
we're
reasonably
competent
with
and
comfortable
with
that,
perhaps
they
they
should
continue,
even
though
they're
not
public
meetings.
B
But
I
think
my
point
is
that
each
each
one
of
these
are
a
massive
piece
of
work,
and
that
and
lots
of
these
are
things
that
we
constantly
bang
our
heads
against
at
plans
panel
meetings,
because
they
don't
go
far
enough
and
they're
not
strong
enough.
So
if
we
got
our
policies
into
a
place
where
we
wanted
them
to
be
in
terms
of
climate
change,
I
think
the
major
thing
then
would
be
we
might
say
they
were
achievable,
but
in
our
judgment,
but
how
would
we
get
developers
to
comply?
B
I
mean
that
is
the
crunch
question
for
me.
It's
every
plans
panel.
Is
it
policy
compliant
and
usually
the
answer
is
not
entirely,
and
sometimes
it's
even
not
at
all.
So
we
need
to
bring
the
developers
with
us-
and
I
have
made
this
suggestion
before
and
we
did
have
one
such
meeting
with
developers
and
then
we
it's
drifted
a
little
bit
and
lockdowns
interfered,
but
I
do
think
we
need
to
have
our
developers
on
board
with
our
thinking.
B
Here
I
mean
it
might
have
been
an
idea
to
invite
a
developer
today
or
two
and
certainly
david.
I
think
those
meetings
that
you
started
should
resume
with
developers.
We
need
to
be
having
these
conversations
with
the
people
that
we
actually
want
to
do.
These
things
is
my
point,
so
I
and
I
feel
this
emergency,
and
could
you
just
remind
me
of
the
time
scale
please.
A
Thanks,
caroline,
I
know
that
process
is
incredibly
important.
There
is
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
and
you're
right.
The
pandemic
has
got
in
the
way
for
the
last
four
or
five
months.
Although
some
work
has
continued.
Regarding
so
see
at
working
groups,
the
the
transport
one
has
progressed
as
continued,
because
that
was
heavily
focused
on
active
travel,
which
was
all
part
of
our
our
response
to
covid,
but,
yes,
the
other
the
other
ones
are
starting
up.
Again,
I
make
a
suggestion.
A
I
think
the
dpp
members
should
be
invited
to
the
relevant
seat
working
groups.
I
think
they'll
be
really
that'd,
be
really
useful,
there's
an
awful
lot.
We
want
to
do
to
get
it
done
awfully
quickly
and
just
just
people
watching
on
the
I
chair
both
both
panels.
So
it's
it's.
My
role
is
to
coordinate
these
matters,
so
we
want
to
bring
dp
members
into
the
seat
working
groups
and
we
can
make
things
make
really
rapid
progress.
A
There
is
a
lot
of
process
to
be
worked
through
adam's
already
suggested,
bringing
back
scoping
documents,
and
I
think,
from
today's
discussions,
officers
will
have
a
pretty
thorough
understanding
of
of
where
elected
members
are
at.
Regarding
where
we
need
to
see
the
scope
and
it's
it's
big,
detailed
and
involved,
isn't
it
I
think
what
was
we
introduced
a
couple
years
ago?
A
I
mean
the
reason
why
we're
having
this
local
plan
review
is
is
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
the
strongest
possible
policies
we
can
have
it
is
we
introduced
en1
and
en2
a
couple
of
years
ago
and
at
the
time
they
were
seen
as
sort
of
commented
on
in
the
planning
sector
by
they
were
leading
edge,
and
then
it
was.
It
was
both
heartening
and
disheartening.
If
you
like
to
see
how
easily
developers
were
able
to
meet
them,
because
the
industry
was
already
starting
to
change
and
changed
quite
rapidly.
A
So
the
successes
for
those
policies
need
to
be
very
firmly
rooted
in
the
in
in
having
a
zero
carbon
focus,
and
officers
have
heard
that
loud
and
clear
from
members,
along
with
the
green
infrastructure
and
other
questions.
I
think
probably,
then
officer,
colleagues,
if
you
want
to
speak
to
the
points
about
what's
the
process
and
the
timeline
adam
you've
touched
upon
it
already,
but
it's
probably
worth
a
refresher.
I
am
mindful
of
time.
Colleagues,
I
don't.
I
don't
want
to
go
past
one
o'clock,
for
example,
I
think,
with
online
meetings.
A
Everyone's
attention
starts
to
to
wane
at
probably
around
about
now.
So
probably
I
should
do
something
dramatic
to
make
you
all
wake
up,
not
that
you're
asleep.
I
do
apologize,
but
I
think
if
we
could
speak
to
the
process
and
the
timeline,
because
we
have
covered
a
lot
of
content,
yeah
and
I
think
that'd
be
really
useful
officer.
Colleagues
yeah.
I
Yeah
I'll
outline
it
as
as
I
understand
it,
and
obviously,
if
other
officers
feel
they
they
need
to
provide
clarification,
then
obviously,
please
step
in
working
backwards.
I
suppose,
if
we,
if
we're
looking
at
a
spring
consultation,
we
would
need
approval
as
an
executive
board
to
be
able
to
do
that.
So,
if
that's
timetabled
for
let's
say
march,
we
would
what
we
would.
I
If
that
was
the
case,
then
we
would
need
to
be
bringing
a
probably
a
preferred
scope,
consultation
document
to
dpp
in
in
early
2021,
so
to
be
able
to
do
that,
we
obviously
need
to
be
getting
into
the
detail
of
the
of
the
topic
papers
from
now,
until
probably
the
end
of
the
year.
So
by
christmas
we
feel
that
we've
got
a
draft
scope
that
we
can
take
to
consultation,
some
of
the
detailed,
evidence-based
work
on
that
may
not
be
completed.
I
I
So
that's
not
that's
not
a
an
issue
to
delay,
but
but
evidence
is
obviously
very
important
as
we
get
towards
the
sort
of
the
sharper
end
of
the
process,
so
that
that's
the
headline
of
it
in
terms
of
the
local
plan
review,
which
probably
needs
to
be
seen
as
slightly
separate
from
the
local
plan
update
the
local
plan
review
is
again
nicole,
will
step
in.
I
If
I,
if
I
er
on
this
one,
my
understanding
is
that
it's
it
david,
as
the
chief
planning
officer
has
the
authority
delegated
to
him
to
approve
that
review,
which
can
then
be
put
onto
our
website,
and
that
would
simply
be
a
list
as
you've
seen
showing
with
an
accompanying
report
showing
the
approach
that
we've
taken
and
the
policies
that
should
be
included
in
scope
of
a
review.
I
Obviously,
the
bigger
effort
is
okay.
What
do
you
do
with
that
information?
How
do
you
then
take
that
forward
and,
as
you
suggest,
counsellor
guru
and
there's
there's
a
lot
of
significant
issues
in
play
there
that
all
need
careful
consideration
and
that's
what
we
would
hope
would
be
thrown
out
through
the
more
detailed
topic
by
topic
consideration
at
a
few
future
meetings?
H
Yeah
yeah,
okay,
thanks
yeah,
I'm
just
just
just
following
on
from
that.
I
I
think
it's
helpful
for
members
to
remember
that
we're
not
obliged
to
review
everything
that
that
that
potentially
needs
to
be
reviewed
now
and-
and
there
is
this
balance
between
speed
and
breadth-
that
we
need
to
strike,
and
the
message
is,
is
loud
and
clear
that
the
climate
emergency
sits
at
the
very
top
of
of
of
of
the
the
policies
to
be
looked
at.
H
So
what
we'll
need
to
do
is
gather
all
the
points
that
have
been
made
today
and
understand
that,
whilst
that
that
they
may
not
be
up
for
an
update
now,
they
can
certainly
sit
on
the
local
development
scheme
and
and
form
the
the
scope
of
any
any
future
update.
Now
part
of
this
is
going
to
be
when
we
look
at
the
climate
emergency
policies.
H
How
far
do
they
extend
to
other
strategic
policies
within
the
plan
and
and
in
in
turn,
require
those
to
be
updated?
Now
that's
work
that
we'll
start
to
clarify
for
members
through
the
topic
papers,
but
the
other
point
that
I
really
wanted
to
to
stress
is:
there's
still
a
need
for
us
to
heighten
the
use
of
existing
policies
that
we
already
have,
because
I
know
that
members
have
raised
some
points
about
existing
policies
and
dissatisfaction
with
with
their
implementation.
H
But
it's
really
important
that,
through
training,
through
guidance
notes
and
through
other
means,
we
we
keep
ensuring
that
those
policies,
especially
for
the
climate
emergency,
are
heightened
and
and
and
do
the
best
they
possibly
can
and
we're
achieving
that
through
training
materials,
for
example,
that
are
being
driven
through
through
the
ciac
group.
A
J
Thank
you
just
just
a
few
points
to
respond
to
members
comments,
and
I
found
the
discussion
really
helpful
and
appreciate
the
concerns
that
members
are
raising
on
the
on
the
green
stage.
J
As
colleagues
have
said,
we
have
recently
revisited
some
our
green
space
policies
to
make
them
more
effective,
but
I
do
take
councillor
campbell's
points
and
comments
that
have
been
raised
before
at
panel
about
the
challenge
of
providing
green
space,
particularly
in
areas
that
are
already
densely
developed.
It's
very
challenging,
isn't
it
without
a
development
proposal
in
a
very
densely
developed
part
of
the
city
to
create
additional
green
space?
I
think
some
of
the
issues
and
circumstances
that
have
been
highlighted
through
the
pandemic
have
been
around.
J
J
So
I
think
you
know
we
do
have
strategic
policies
in
place
for
green
infrastructure,
but
it's
about
the
effectiveness
of
those
policies
and
how
we've
been
able
to
apply
those
principles
to
connect
communities
up
in
a
more
direct
way
to
those
green
space
opportunities.
So
I
think
I
think
that's
about
about
an
implementation
issue
that
we
can
look
at
in
conjunction
with
our
revisited
green
space
policies.
J
I
think
in
terms
of
permitted
development
and
colleagues
have
been
mentioning
this
this
morning.
I
personally
have
concerns
about
it,
because
I
think
some
of
the
committed
development
allowances,
whilst
on
one
hand,
are
helping
to
stimulate
economic
recovery
and
provide
gold.
Actually,
there
is
a
disconnect
with
sort
of
the
longer
term
policy
objectives
that
we
have,
particularly
in
terms
of
the
quality
of
place
and
the
quality
of
development.
J
So
there
is
a
concern
about
that
and
I
think
that's
something
that
we
do
need
to
be
commenting
on,
and
we
are
lobbying
on
this
already
through
through
various
channels.
Council
anderson
made
some
important
points.
I
think
about
sustainability
and,
as
I
think
as
we
all
know,
you
know
this
is
a
topic
of
great
debate.
Isn't
it?
What
does
sustainability
actually
mean?
I
think
in
simple
terms
and
as
members
are
aware,
you
know
metaphorically
it's
about
consuming
our
own
smoke.
J
Isn't
it
it's
about
the
impact
that
we
have
and
being
able
to
minimize
that
impact
which
is
conducive
to
achieving
social,
economic
and
environmental
objectives
at
the
same
time?
But
but
personally,
I
think
it
needs
to
go
beyond
that,
because
I
think,
if
you
can
imagine
sustainability
as
a
ladder,
you
know
we
need
to
be
laddering
up
in
terms
of
our
application
of
the
achievement
of
those
social,
economic
and
environmental
objectives.
J
At
the
same
time,
rather
than
paying
passing
reference
to
them,
we
actually
have
to
make
significant
changes,
and
I
think,
at
the
moment,
instead
of
in
government
thinking,
there
is
some
movement
towards
improving
on
sort
of
the
environmental
sustainability
through
commitments
to
improving
net
gain,
particularly
in
terms
of
biodiversity.
J
So
that's
a
positive
step,
I
think
in
terms
of
environmental
sustainability,
but
that
needs
to
be
done
within
the
context
of
environmental
capacity
in
achieving
economic
recovery
and
inclusive
growth,
whilst
making
sure
that
there's
social
justice
at
the
same
time
so
that
you
know
these
are
big
topics.
But
they.
A
J
It's
holding
all
of
that
together.
Isn't
it
through
our
plan
making
yeah
in
terms
of
devolution
and
counselor
anderson
made
one
or
two
points
about
cost
boundary
working
and
changes
a
footer
to
a
sort
of
a
subregional
level.
In
terms
of
devolution,
I
mean
just
to
remind
members,
you
know
this
is
going
to
be
coming
forward
next
year
and
one
of
the
jobs
of
the
combined
authority
will
be
to
prepare
a
spatial
development
strategy
and
that
isn't
a
rerun
of
the
regional
spatial
strategy.
J
It's
it's
a
strategic
document,
but
through
the
council's
comments
on
the
devolution
process,
we've
been
at
pains
to
say
that
this
will
be
the
first
sds
prepared
following
the
declaration
of
climate
emergencies
within
local
authorities
and
therefore
that
document
needs
to
talk
to
that
agenda
and
lead
on
that
agenda.
So
I
would
hope
that
some
of
the
comments
that
colleagues
have
been
making
and
the
scope
of
our
local
plan
review
that
can
be
used
as
a
basis
to
help
influence
the
spatial
development
strategy,
because
we've
got
some
good
ideas
about.
J
You
know
what
needs
to
come
forward
and
I
think
we
need
to
be
bringing
those
to
that
debate
in
terms
of
cross-boundary
issues.
I
mean
we've
had
long
discussions
previously
development
plan
panel
on
the
duty
to
cooperate,
and
some
of
the
issues
that
council
and
listeners
raised
are
picked
up
in
that
in
that
forum.
So
members
just
need
to
be
aware
that
we're
not
sitting
on
our
hands
those
discussions
are
still
still
going
going
forward.
The
other
point
cause
anderson
raised
about
the
application
of
our
climate
policies
at
panels.
J
I
think
we've
had
this
frustration
around
policy
requirements
not
being
specified
at
outline
stage
and
because
of
that,
it's
been
difficult
to
negotiate
on
individual
applications
when
reserved
matters.
Applications
come
in
and
that's
that's
a
consequence
of
legal
case
law
rather
than
something
that
that
we
should
have
perhaps
picked
up
sooner.
J
But
I
would
hope
that
once
those
particular
sites
have
come
through
the
process,
the
policies
that
we
we
are
wanting
to
bring
forward
that
are
in
place
already,
as
well
as
the
new
policies
through
the
local
plan
review,
will
enable
us
to
step
up
in
terms
of
the
climate
policies
and
going
to
council
gruen's
point.
I
fully
agree
that
we
do
need
to
re-engage
with
the
development
industry.
I
mean
there
is
an
appetite
within
parts
of
the
sector.
J
I
think
to
take
this
forward,
but
others
you
know,
are
getting
up
to
speed
and
also
there'll
be
a
new
cohort
of
interest
in
taking
forward
some
of
the
pd
through
house
builders.
So
so
we
do
need
to
try
and
influence
all
of
those
providers
and
sectors
within
the
the
economy
to
to
to
work
together
on
this
agenda
and
then,
finally,
I
think
other
colleagues
have
picked
it
up,
but
in
terms
of
the
scope
of
the
policies
council,
richie
talked
about
h5
and
counselor
anderson
talked
about
sp6
sp7.
J
Well,
those
policies
have
been
subject
to
recent
review.
Haven't
they
through
the
core
strategy,
selective
review?
I
think
some
of
the
issues
here
are
about
the
implementation
and
the
effectiveness
of
those
policies.
So
that's
something
we
can
turn
to
as
part
of
the
authority
monitoring
report,
so
it
is
something
that
will
be
picked
up
through
monitoring
prior
to
a
formal
review
of
those
policies
at
the
appropriate
time.
I
hope
that's
a
useful
catch-up
in
those
points.
A
It
is
very
much
so
thank
you
david,
I
mean
yeah
we
have
to
be.
We
have
to
be
really
mindful
of
getting
the
focus
right
for
this
of
the
local
planet.
Review
he's
got
to
stay,
focused,
not
exclusive
on
climate
emergency,
but
to
be
seen
for
a
climate
emergency
lens,
that's
incredibly
important
for
us.
As
a
city
council
going
forward
councillor,
I've
got
councillor
richie
councillor
campbell
and
council
collins,
and
then
I
want
to
wrap
things
up.
A
Okay,
in
that
case,
council
campbell
and
council
coins
were
then
were
they
new
blue
hands
so
to
speak.
B
Thank
you
and
it's
a
bit
of
a
technical
question
really,
to
what
extent
will
we
be
limited
in
what
we
can
do
with
the
policies
and
with
regards
to
what
has
been
approved
in
the
core
strategy?
I'm
just.
I
haven't
read
the
core
strategy
recently,
but
I'm
sure
in
there
somewhere.
It
says
something
about
infill
sites
that
we
would
welcome
development
of
infill
sites,
I'm
just
thinking.
B
If
we're
going
to
start
thinking
more
about
pocket
parks
and
opportunities
putting
in
green
space,
it
may
be
those
infill
sites
that
we
want
to
target
for
the
the
greenery.
Will
we
be
limited
in
what
we
can
do
with
a
change
in
policy?
If
it's
contradicted
in
the
course
strategy,
the
infield
parts
was
just
an
example
really.
H
Officers
chair,
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
really
good
question,
because
this
in
in
in
looking
at
a
selective
local
plan
update,
there
will
be
a
need
to
cross
reference.
How
that
affects
other
policies
within
the
adopted
plan.
But
I
think
from
what
we've
said
today.
The
focus
is
is
very
much
going
to
be
on
updating
the
strategic
policies
of
the
plan,
as
as
they
relate
to
areas
that
have
significantly
changed,
coupled
with
a
more
in-depth
look
at
climate
emergency
policies.
H
So
it
may
be
that,
where
those
those
policies
that
we
are
updating
in
in
a
strategic
manner,
they
they
may
have
an
impact
on
some
of
the
the
the
the
lower
policies,
non-strategic
policies
elsewhere
in
the
core
strategy.
But
that's
something
that
we'll
deal
with
and
consider
through
the
topic
papers
and
as
we
progress
the
review.
B
H
One
chair,
so
so
the
the
the
policy
on
on
infill
I
mean
I
I
I
think
councillor
collins
is
referring
to
sp
one,
which
is
the
spatial,
the
key
spatial
policy
of
the
core
strategy.
That
says
that
the
focus
of
development
will
be
in
the
main
urban
area
on
infill
sites
and
then,
if
there
are
no
infill
sites
on
other
sites
and
then
if
there
are
no
other
sites,
then
extensions
to
the
main
urban
area.
I
think
that's
the
policy
that's
being
referred
to.
H
If
there's
no
reason
to
to
change
that
approach,
then
that
possibly
won't
be
updated,
but
if
there
is
a
reason
to
heighten
or
change
that
approach
to
better
deal
with
the
climate
emergency,
for
example,
then
that's
something
that
will
be
within
scope
of
the
update.
A
Okay,
I
think
that's
pretty
comprehensive
answer.
Council
collins,
so
I
mean
we
have
covered
an
awful
lot
of
ground,
there's
quite
a
lot
of
sort
of.
If
you
like
areas
of
of
work
there
adam,
I
think
something
we've
not
particularly
touched
upon
yet
huge.
I
think
council
anderson
raised
it,
but
I
think
aviation
and
transport
obviously
are
really
important
topics
and
starting
from
if
you
like,
from
the
slowest
to
the
fastest
modes,
I
mean.
A
Obviously,
we've
got
quite
a
strong
pedestrian
and
cycling
focus
at
the
moment
and
that
needs
to
obviously
continue.
We've
got
a
strong
public
transport
focus
at
the
moment.
Colleagues
are
probably
aware:
wyka
pasta,
it's
paper
regarding
franchising
of
buses
and
that's
now
a
discussion
to
have
with
central
government.
A
It's
probably
worth
noting
that
that's
been
wiki's
preferred
option
for
about
four
or
five
years
since
I
was
on
the
transport,
the
old
transport
authority,
but
it's
now
an
option
that
governments
are
open
to,
hopefully
so
fingers
crossed
on
that,
but
obviously
so
that
that
needs
to
be.
We
need
to
be
mindful
of
that,
but
I
don't
want
to
be
sidetracked
from
climate
emergency,
but
then
we
go
to
to
aviation.
We
obviously
we've
got
a
live
planning
application
with
the
expansion
of
leeds
bradford
airport
and
it's
hours
of
operation
now
that's
to
be
determined.
A
So
it's
difficult
to
have
a
a
conversation
for
those
of
us
who
are
members
of
the
city
plans
panel.
It's
difficult
to
have
much
of
a
conversation
on
that,
but
I
think
council
anderson
is
how
do
we
manage
the
the
growth
of
the
airport?
Well,
I
think
it's
a
much
bigger
question
than
that.
It's
about
how
does
britain,
how
does
great
britain
tackle
aviation?
There
needs
to
be
a
national
policy
focus
and
we
need
to
make
that
clear
to
governor.
A
Currently,
we
have
a
positive
bismarckian
level
of
competition
between
regional
airports
and
that
just
won't
do
when
we
have
to
tackle
climate
emergency
aviation's-
a
huge
contributor
to
that,
and
I
think
I
think
we
need
to
see
movement
from
government
on
that,
and
I
think
we
need
to
be
that
as
part
of
our
discussions
with
central
government.
So
we
need
aviation's
got
to
have
a
role
in
this
policy
review.
Of
course,
we've
talked
about
green
infrastructure.
We've
talked
about
how
we're
seeing
I'm
just
really
summing
up
now.
A
Colleagues,
if
you
want
to,
if
add
anything,
please
feel
free,
we
talked
extensively
about
green
infrastructure
process.
Turning
up
getting
working
groups
moving,
I
suggest
getting
dp
members
invited
to
see
working
groups.
I'm
sure
colleagues
will
be
okay
with
that.
I
think
we
certainly
don't
want
any
delays
to
to
how
we
go
forward.
I
certainly
don't
think
there'll
be
a
problem
with
executive
board
and
and
getting
the
consultation
progressed
at
all.
Is
there
anything
else
I've
missed?
Oh
retrofit
retrofit's
hugely
important.
A
F
So
the
only
thing
I'd
say
would
be
local
energy
generation.
That's
not
less
in
terms
of
tackling
the
climate
emergencies.
B
A
It
is
quite
a
lot
of
work,
so
it'll
be
a
lot
of
midnight
oil
burn,
but
that's
okay!
That's
fine!
When
I
really
should
know
this
is
chair
for
giving
me
colleagues
when
is
our
next
schedule
meeting
martin.
A
Thank
you,
okay,
so
there's
an
awful
lot
that
needs
to
do
between
now
and
then
there's
an
awful
lot
of
scoping
reports
that
need
to
come
back.
So
what
I
would
suggest
is
a
couple
of
things.
I've
already
mentioned
dp
members
to
be
invited
to
see
at
working
groups,
so
I'll
coordinate
that
with
with
tasha
draft
papers,
can
be
obviously
circulated
to
dp
members
as
soon
as
they're
available
adam
for
discussion.
A
So
as
forewarned
as
possible
as
a
chair,
I'm
very
open
to
lay
items,
as
you
know,
there's
no
point
delaying
things,
so
I
think
that's
that's
the
way
forward
and
we'll
I'll
email
out
to
members
regarding
how
we're
going
to
progress.
All
of
that
officially,
is
there
anything
else
or
have
we
tentatively
covered
our
agenda?
Adam.
I
I
I
A
I
say
all
of
them:
it's
most
unhelpful.
I
would
suggest
I
I
given
there's
a
lot
going
on
in
the
planning
system
as
a
whole.
A
I
would
suggest
to
fellow
elected
members
that
there's
the
zero
carbon
housing
and
future
development
is
incredibly
important,
as
is
local
energy
and
green
infrastructure,
and
how
those
broadly
those
three
areas
and
how
planning
changes
might
impact
them
and
how
we
can
how
they
go.
How
they're
going
to
interface,
something
like
that
for
the
next
meeting.
H
H
It's
martin
elliott.
I
think
that
I
think
that
sounds
sounds
very
reasonable.
I
think
an
overarching
summation
of
of
the
the
discussions
that
we've
had
here
today,
yeah
as
a
as
a
sort
of
an
overview
that
then
leads
us
to
drop
down
into
individual
thematic
and
topic
areas
would
be
my
way
of
looking
at
it.
B
B
Yeah,
sorry
chair:
could
you
just
repeat
that
list
you've
just
said
for
aries
to
come
back
to
the
next
meeting?
Please.
A
Oh
heck,
no,
I'm,
joking
so
broadly
speaking,
zero
carbon
housing,
both
housing
and
and
apartment
type
developments
and
green
infrastructure
in
all
its
forms
and
local
energy
production
and
and
how
local
energy
is
changing.
A
Will
sit
underneath
martin's
sort
of
broad
overview
and
that
will
structure
the
next
stage
of
policy
development
and
in
between
now
and
then
we'll
get
heads
together
regarding
what
working
groups
are
going
to
happen
and
when.
A
C
C
But
the
fact
is
that
you
know:
will
we
will
they
be
able
to
have
the
time
by
the
8th
because
bear
in
mind
in
august
there's
a
lot
of
officers
are
taking
time
off
and
various
other
things,
and
this
is
going
to
be
quite
a
complicated
announcement
by
the
government.
Can
we
get
something
by
this
date
telling
us
what
the
government's
agenda
is.
H
I
think
chair
that
I'm
not
getting
a
sense
from
government
that
they're
going
to
stop
planning
for
particular
themes
or
particular
issues,
so
I
think
councillor
anderson,
I
think,
there's
still
going
to
be
a
need
for
us
to
look
at
what
the
current
planning
system
should
and
could
offer
in
terms
of
local
energy
generation
and
whether
we've
got
the
right
policies
to
achieve
that,
and
then
should
the
government
decide
that
it
wishes
to
change
the
way
that's
actually
implemented.
H
We've
at
least
then
got
quite
a
good
starting
point
from
which
to
respond
to
those
changes,
but,
but
certainly
I
I
I
think,
moving
on
with
what
we
can
currently
achieve
is
is
is
is
is,
is
advised.
C
Where
I'm
coming
from
is
the
pd
rights,
you
know
if
we
could
get
a
rough
idea
from
officers
what
buildings
and
areas
might
be
come
areas
where
this
request
will
come
forward
and
what's
the
potential
impact
going
to
be
on
delivery
and
on
the
ability
of
competing
planning
applications
in
the
system
going
to
be
coming
in
for
and
with
similar
developments
in
the
area
and
the
impact
that
that
might
have
on
too
many
coming
in
an
area
and
not
enough
green
infrastructure,
for
example,
being
able
to
be
put
in
place.
A
Well,
as
soon
as
we
know,
we'll
pull
things
together
and
let
members
know,
I
think,
can't
really
say
more
than
that.
I
mean
who
knows
where
the
government's
going
to
come
out
with
it.
The
prime
minister
recently
declared
himself
the
new
fdr
and
it
turned
out.
It
was
actually
the
new
herbert
hoover,
or
rather
her
herbert
hoover's,
less
successful
car
salesman
brother.
So
I
really
we
don't
know.
What's
going
to
come
out
through
the
review,
I
think
my
concerns
I
do
share
them
all.
A
B
A
Yeah
you've
seen
the
recommendations
about
knowing
the
report
and
progressing
things.
Can
I
have
someone
to
move
them?
Yep,
council,
mckenna,
council,
collins
vote
in
favor
hold
your
hands
up;
hey
full
sweet,
excellent.
Well,
thank
you,
colleagues!
Is
there
any
other
any
other
business?