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A
Good
afternoon
members
and
members
of
the
public
and
developers
welcome
to
plans
final
meeting.
We
have
one
new
member
today.
Can
we
welcome
council
maloney
yeah?
He
deserves
it,
pleased
to
say
she's,
our
youngest
counselor,
as
well.
Only
just
sir
out
of
university
and
coming
in
on
the
sharp
end.
A
She
asked
really
good
questions
on
the
side
visit
so
be
careful
officers.
She
she
knows
that
she
knows
the
plan
and
can
I
welcome
also
sharon
hamilton,
who
always
steps
in
for
us.
A
And
council
walsh
who's
not
been
away
too
long,
but
he's
come
back
as
a
substitute.
We
know
him,
you
don't
have
to
be
gentle
with
council
walsh
or
he
knows
his
way
around
this
and
he
yeah.
Why
not?
Why
not?
I
know,
and
we
can't
leave
barry
anderson
out
because
barry
anderson
is
not
sitting
here
as
a
conservative
member
he's
sitting
here
as
a
green
member
he's
standing
in
for
david
blackburn.
Well,
we've
always
said:
well,
that's
weird!.
A
B
A
A
I'm
sorry
you're
right.
Sorry,
I
did
I'm
so
used
to
who
sat
around
the
table.
You
you're
right.
We
must
not
miss
the
former
lord
mayor
who's,
taking
a
year
off
to
be
in
the
less
important
job
of
lord
mayor
of
leeds.
We
all
know
this
is
the
main
job
city
plans
panel.
Don't
worry,
this
is
the
one.
This
is
where
it's
at
and
he's
taking
up
his
place
again.
So
welcome
and
again,
council
khan
certainly
knows
his
way
around
this
panel.
A
B
D
Good
afternoon,
councillor
colin
campbell,
it
is
some
considerable
time
since
I
was
the
youngest
member
of
this
panel.
I
thought
you'd
have
given
me
a
check,
though,
probably
because
I'm
the
oldest.
H
A
Thank
you
for
that.
If
we
can
get
down
the
business
now
that
we've
had
the
the
lighthearted
bit,
as
you
all
will
know,
city
plans
panel
deal
with
applications
from
the
city
center,
as
well
as
the
largest
and
most
significant
applications
the
council
receive.
A
B
B
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Debbie.
Can
we
then
move
on
to
item
number
six,
please
minutes
of
the
meeting
held
on
the
19th
of
may.
A
A
K
Thanks
very
much
chair
good
afternoon
members,
this
application
for
the
demolition
of
an
existing
building
in
the
direction
of
a
ten-story
building,
comprising
retail
floor
space
at
ground
floor
commercial
floor
space
at
basement
level,
purpose-built
student
accommodation
on
the
floors,
one
to
nine,
with
communal
facilities
in
the
building.
An
outdoor
meeting
space
comes
to
you
following
a
plans
panel
consultative
meeting
on
the
21st
of
december
of
la
of
last
year,
when
many
members
saw
and
supported
supported
the
the
developing
proposals.
K
K
Thanks
several
of
the
members
were
on
site
visit
this
morning,
where
we
went
down
to
see
the
existing
existing
premises.
K
House
of
fraser
sat
the
sites
outlined
in
red
on
on
this
diagram
on
the
eastern
side
of
brigade
to
the
east
of
the
trinity
shopping
center
on
the
west
side
of
brigade
and
there's,
as
you
can
see,
it's
a
dense
urban
urban
block
with
a
variety
of
commercial,
primarily
retail
uses
in
the
area,
as
well
as
some
residential
uses
which
sit
above
some
of
the
shops,
including
on
the
on
the
east
side
of
central
road,
which
is
the
road
on
the
eastern
side
of
the
building.
K
I
suppose,
as
a
result
of
its
historical
context,
there's
a
number
of
listed
buildings
in
the
area,
including
the
attached
building
to
the
north
of
the
site,
which
is
133
to
137
brigade
at
the
south
east
corner
of
brigade,
the
orchard
building
society.
Building
this
grade
two
listed
building
and
the
buildings
on
the
eastern
side
of
central
road
in
vasily
house
are
also
listed
buildings
elsewhere
in
the
city
center.
Of
course,
numerous
other
listed
buildings.
K
K
The
site
is
located,
we're
sorry
we're
looking
northwards
up
brigade
from
from
the
junction
board
lane
and
duncan
street,
where
the
clock
is
the
pots
clock
on
the
right-hand
side
that
that
is
effectively
the
beginning
of
the
site
and
the
site
extends
down
the
street
towards
us.
Why
I'm
highlighting
this?
This
image
is
because
the
building
which
sits
on
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
site,
half
of
that
building
is
retained
and
and
half
of
that
building
is
the
listed
building.
I
just
referred
to
133-137
brigade.
K
K
And
then
the
building
was
knocked
down
in
in
around
about
1920
to
allow
the
construction
of
the
first
woolworth
site,
wolves
store
on
on
the
site
that
that
building
which
fred
I
don't
have
a
picture
of
today,
but
that
building
was
demolished
itself
in
the
late
1950s
and
replaced
with
a
building
in
1959
for
for
woolworths
and
that
building
still
stands
on
the
site.
Today,
albeit
will
was
vacated
in.
K
Looking
southwards
down
down
brigitte-
and
this
is
this-
is
a
view
across
duncan
street.
Looking
up
central
road
and
the
the
site
sits
behind
the
the
maple
tree
in
in
that
location.
There
apologies.
This
is
taken
a
few
months
ago,
but
it's
a
view
from
outside
the
corner
exchange
the
public
realm
works
of
subsequently
been
completed
recently
and
we're
looking
again
up
across
new
market
street
up
central
road
and
there's
a
tree
and
another
tree
behind
it
before
you
get
to
the
house
of
fraser
store.
K
K
And
looking
down
central
road
again
from
from
from
cleargate,
albeit
the
reason
access
into
the
house
of
fraser
store,
I
I
think
it's
it's
commonplace
that
it
is
it's
not
been
heavily
used
of
recent
years
and
activity
along
the
street
has
been
quite
quite
minimal.
K
This,
this
graphic
is
just
an
illustration
of
existing
public
realm
along
along
the
street,
with
areas
of
brick
paving
effectively
which
which
was
part
of
the
generation
of
public
realm
treatments
from
from
the
1980s,
and
that
still
persists
today
as
part
of
the
development
proposals
as
a
result
of
the
additional
pedestrian
movements.
That
would
result
from
from
the
development
and
we're
discussing
with
the
developer
proposals
to
improve,
improve
the
surfacing
within
the
street
and
say
these
are
ongoing
ongoing
discussions
which,
which
this
is
just
representing
one
point
in
time.
K
K
So
to
to
the
scheme
itself,
this,
this
is
the
basement
of
of
the
proposed
building,
as,
as
I
mentioned
at
the
outset,
the
the
building
as
a
whole
would
be
demolished.
That's
taking
it
all
the
way
down
to
basement
and
the
basement
would
be
reconstructed
on
the
set
on
the
same
footprint
as
as
the
existing.
K
Moving
up
through
the
site,
we
we're
just
on
to
the
onto
the
ground
floor
now,
we've
proved
brigitte
on
the
on
the
left-hand
side
of
the
diagram.
The
intent
is
that
there'd
be
two
large
retail
units
with
frontages
as
pretty
much
existing
on
onto
brigade
towards
towards
the
rear
of
the
the
property,
but
there's
a
new
active
entrance
into
the
student
accommodation
at
this
point
again
with
additional
immunity
space
within
within
this
part
of
the
frontage.
K
And
this
this
is
a
a
diagram
which
effectively
is
a
cutaway
through
the
proposed
building,
which
gives
you
an
idea,
an
indication
of
the
relationship
between
that
interior
space
and
activity
within
it.
The
movement
and
activity
along
along
central
road
to
show
the
the
clear
interconnection
between
between
the
two
two
spaces.
K
Moving
up
through
the
building
we
get
to
the
first
level
of
student
accommodation
at
level,
one
and
there's
a
mix
proposed
mix
of
studios
and
cluster
flats
within
the
development.
K
This
this
alignment
of
the
building
is
is
effectively
a
an
h.
Shape
is
the
main
frame
for
the
building
sitting
above
the
ground
floor.
You
might
notice
areas
outside
of
that
which,
to
the
north
and
south
of
it,
which
would
be
used
as
external
and
municipality.
K
Moving
up
to
excuse
me
to
the
next
level
get
gets
us
to
a
typical
floor
plan
for
levels
two
to
five
of
the
building.
As
I
mentioned,
there's
a
mix
of
clusters
and
studios
all
the
studios
and
clusters
meet
and
exceed
the
standards
identified
in
the
draft
sbd.
K
So,
on,
on
the
left
hand,
side
an
image
of
the
the
smallest
of
the
the
cluster
flats
and,
on
the
right
hand,
side
an
image
showing
a
typical
layout
in
in
one
of
the
studios.
K
I
think
we've
moved
up
to
level
six.
You
see
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
the
diagram,
the
the
frontage
of
the
the
building
is,
has
been
been
set
back
now
that
that
distance,
one
of
the
members
asked
me
on
site
this
morning.
I
think
it's
1.8
meters,
on
on
checking
and
on
the
southern
side
of
the
eastern
wing,
the
the
building's
moved
in
I've
forgotten
the
number,
but
it's
about
2.5
meters.
If
anybody
wants,
I
can
check
for
you
in
a
second
moving
up
to
the
next
level.
K
Again,
the
the
building
sits
back
even
further
from
from
the
frontage
you
see
on
the
eastern
side
as
well.
The
building
set
step
stepped
in
from
from
that
front,
facade.
K
I
think
we're
on
to
level
eight
now
and
it's
a
rooftop
external
meeting
space
on
on
top
of
the
eastern
wing
and
format
of
of
studios
along
off
the
off
the
corridor
of
the
spine
of
the
building
and
reference
to
the
external
amenity
space,
against
some
precedent,
images
as
to
how
that
could
be
developed
out,
the
the
top
level
of
student
accommodation
is
is
on
level
nine.
On
the
west
end
of
that
you
you'll
note
this
area.
K
K
And
an
example
of
a
green
roof
and
just
an
overview
of
the
the
roofscape
of
the
building
sitting
in
relation
to
the
building
building
to
the
north,
which
which
would
be
retained
I'll
refer
to
that
later.
As
an
update
to
the
report.
But
comments
have
been
received
from
from
the
owners
of
that
property
in
relation
to
the
the
juxtaposition
of
the
the
two
buildings.
K
And
just
just
to
point
out
before
we
before
we
get
to
that
point,
the
the
existing
building
line
is
is
on
on
that
line
there,
whereas
the
primary
new
building
line
for
the
main
mass
of
the
building
sits
back
here.
So
an
existing
distance
of
6.6
meters
will
become
a
distance
of
just
over
17
meters.
At
that
point,.
K
I've
got
some
sections
here,
just
giving
a
further
indication
of
how
how
the
the
building
is
is
set
set
out.
The
left
side
of
the
diagram
on
the
on
the
west
side
is
is
to
to
brigade,
with
that
initial
step
back
and
further
step
back
and
further
step
back
to
the
to
the
top
level
and
equally
on
on
the
central
road
on
the
eastern
side,
step
back
step
back
and
step
back,
as
as
the
the
mass
breaks
down
with
increasing
height.
K
Three
two
got
paired
windows
between
extruded
piers,
which
are
heavily
articulated,
creating
creating
deep
recesses
and
lots
of
shadow.
K
The
paired
windows
sit
within
the
frame
of
of
molded
masonry
with
balustrading
across
the
front
as
you
move
to
towards
the
top
of
the
building
the
materiality
changes
and
above
level,
five,
where
there'd
be
a
chamfered
cornice
materiality
the
the
building
itself
recesses
and
materiality
changes
from
from
stone
to
standing,
seam,
zinc,.
K
This
this
is
a
cut
out
of
the
section
on
onto
central
road.
Again,
I've
mentioned
a
few
times
about
the
the
setback.
K
The
there's
a
strong
grid
along
proposed,
a
long
central
road
just
with
single
windows
between
between
each
each
pier,
where
it's,
which
are
extruded
from
the
the
the
ground
level
detailing
again
heavily
molded
with
balustrading,
where,
where
balustrades
are
required
on
the
main
frontages
to
the
main
streets,
that
would
be
glazed
balustrade,
so
so
as
to
limit
visual
impact
and
the
top
level
of
the
building
above
the
standing
seams
inc
would
be
some
curtain
walling
some
precedent,
images
of
of
those
materials,
the
the
agents.
K
K
Can
I
pass
the
rancher,
so
what
what
we've
got
today
is
is
an
example
of
cast
stone,
which
is
the
tech
creep
product
which
would
be
used
on
the
main
frontages
for
brigitte
and
central
road
with
an
anodized
aluminium,
which
is
the
primary
base
material
on
the
central
road
elevation
under
framing
for
windows,
as
well
as
some
a
sample
of
some
standing
seam
zinc.
Now
the
profile
of
the
material
would
be
as
as
this
larger
piece
will
be.
The
proposed
color
is:
is
this:
this
lighter,
lighter
color
element,
that's
very
much.
K
And
if
people
have
forgotten
what
I
was
just
referring
to
these
boards
helped
to
explain
where
those
where
those
different
materials
would
be
used
and
also
help
to
pick
out
some
of
the
detail
that
the
images
on
the
screen
on
our
table
today.
K
K
Clearly,
as
we
move
forward
through
through
the
process,
we'll
need
to
see
some
larger
sample
panels
built
up
and
there
is
a
requirement
as
one
the
conditions
that
a
mock
panel
is
is
built
up,
so
that
we
can
have
a
good
look.
Look
at
how
how
all
the
different
materials
work
together.
How
how
the
the
joints
and
junctions
are
articulated
and
say
that
be
a
condition
of
planning
permission.
K
So
what
I've
got
here
in
terms
of
the
final
images
to
show
you
a
selection
of
views
up
and
up
and
down
and
around
around
the
site,
showing
an
existing
situation
and
and
proposed
development
members
who,
vis
to
the
site
this
morning,
will
be
familiar
with
variety
of
these
shots.
K
K
K
K
Looking
from
kyrgate
down
central
road
and
the
the
proposal
with
the
the
new
sweeping
elevation,
a
strong
grid,
but
the
the
sweep
of
the
curve,
accelerating
the
the
nature
and
the
geometry
of
those
vertical
piers
and
the
the
string
lines,
we've
heavy
detailing
and
deep
recesses.
K
K
And
the
view
from
outside
the
corner
exchange
looking
across
new
market
street
and
you
see
the
top
of
the
building.
Again,
I
think
it's
I'd
say
there
will
be
areas
where
the
tops
of
the
building
are
visible.
But
given
given
the
position
given
the
scale
given
the
materiality,
we
don't
think
that
those
are
harmful.
K
And
down
central
road
and
one
of
the
developers
team
kindly
provided
a
couple
of
sketches
which,
which
I
think
are
of
interest
as
well.
K
These
are
on
central
road.
I've
got
a
couple
of
updates
to
to
the
report
to
to
report
to
to
you
further
to
the
plans
panel
report
deadline,
we
received
a
letter
of
support
from
the
illuminate
education
group
in
leeds
city
college,
and
they
say
the
scheme
would
benefit
the
city
centre
by
replacing
the
current
use,
which
is
no
longer
fit
for
purpose
and
has
been
devoted
investment
for
many
years.
It
would
replace
an
architecturally
poor
building
with
a
good
one.
K
K
They
refer
to
the
fact
that
there
is
planning
permission
for
alterations
of
their
building
and
change
of
use.
That
could
include
residential
apartments
in
the
upper
floors
of
that
of
that
property.
K
Whilst
the
you
know,
the
the
freeholder
welcomes
the
development
that
will
generate
activity
and
footfall,
and
they
don't
have
any
comment
regarding
the
the
design
of
the
building,
but
would
like
to
see
more
detail
about
the
relationship
between
the
two,
in
particular
the
juxtaposition,
with
the
listed
building,
and
in
that
respect,
given
its
listed
building
where
the
the
junctions
do
operate,
we
will
be
requiring
listed
building
an
application,
for
instance,
on
that
frontage
element,
which
I
referred
to
to
earlier.
K
The
the
agent
requested
that
a
sunlight
and
daylight
report
be
prepared,
specifically
in
relation
to
the
impact
on
on
that
property
if
it
were
to
be
converted
to
to
residential
use
that
has
been
prepared
and
submitted.
K
We've
had
a
good
look
at
that,
and
I
have
a
copy
of
it
here
and
the
the
conclusion
of
the
report
is
that
the
scheme
performs
well
from
a
daylight
and
sunlight
perspective
and
will
not
cause
unacceptable
harm
to
the
residential
accommodation
within
one
three,
three,
two
one,
three,
seven
brigades,
I
I
think
officers
would
would
agree
with
that
position.
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that,
although
the
building
the
new
building
will
be
taller
than
the
existing,
the
offset
would
be
very
much
greater
than
the
existing
arrangement.
K
So
if
the
neighboring
property
was
converted
to
residential
accommodation,
there
would
be
a
6.6
meter
gap
between
the
two
buildings
that
would
be
increased
to
over
17
meters
and
under
a
new
courtyard
created,
which
would
actually
in,
in
my
view
officer's
view
actually
enhanced.
The
the
situation.
K
The
the
freeholder
further
said
that
the
amenities
of
neighbours
need
to
be
protected
and
servicing
proposals
need
to
accommodate
the
occupiers
and
the
rights
of
access
to
their
building.
So
the
the
neighboring
building
just
does
utilize
a
shared
service
yard
and
the
servicing
management
plan,
which
is
a
condition
of
would
be
a
condition
that
planned
permission
would
do
do
with
that
matter.
K
A
Thank
you
tim.
There
are
no
objectors
to
this
application.
I
have
seen
that
the
applicants
have
come
forward,
sat
in
the
appropriate
position.
So
when
I
invite
members
to
speak,
they
may
well
ask
questions
of
the
developers
and
I'm
sure
they'll
be
willing
to
answer
open
to
questions
from
members.
I
Mine
is
regarding
the
the
tree
at
the
back
at
this
moment
in
time
it's
paved
over
with
tar
and
bricks,
etc.
I
Obviously,
you're
going
to
preserve
the
tree,
I'd
like
to
suggest
that
it's
not
paved
or
or
bricked
and
left.
Oh,
it's
gone
and
look
similar
to
what's
been
sketched
on
on
the
picture
number
the
51.,
and
can
we
just
look
at
number
49?
I
Right
there
can,
I
say:
can
we
ensure
that
the
tree
isn't
damaged
in
so
that
we
don't
end
up
in
a
couple
of
years
that
it
looks
like
that
and
that
that
looks
dead?
To
me
I
mean
I
suppose,
it's
supposed
to
be
when
all
the
leaves
has
been
shed,
but
can
we
ensure
that
there's
no
damage
to
it
because
the
tree
is
growing
and
the
the
roots
are
spreading,
so
can
we
ensure
sure
that
is?
I
Is
its
preserve
and
also
looking
at
it
down
there
at
this
moment
in
time
the
branches
are
touching
house
of
fraser.
I
We
don't
want
in
a
couple
of
years,
once
it's
been
yeah
once
the
building
is
up
that
and
the
residents
are
complaining,
they
can't
see
out
it's
windy
and
the
branches
are
knocking
on
their
window.
So
you
know
we're
gonna
end
up
start
trimming
the
tree
so
that
that's
what
I
would
like
I'd
like
to
admit
you
to
ensure
jack
during
if
it's
go
through
during
the
demolition
and
the
reconstruction
that
the
tree
is
preserved.
I
Also
just
on
that
the
cafe
at
the
back
at
this
moment
in
time
uses
beside
the
tree.
They
have
a
couple
of
tables
etc.
Is
that
your
your
land
and
also
will
you
use
that
for
the
residents
that
live
there,
that
they
can
sit
out
rather
than
it
be
the
cafe?
I
don't
know
what
what
arrangement
you
have
with
the
cafe
at
the
moment,
but
for
me,
and
they
would
have
to
go
on
for
the
residents
to
use.
I
So,
if
you
can
just,
let
me
know
out
what
you're
going
to
do
to
ensure
that
the
tree
is
preserved
and
not
end
up
like
number
49.
A
L
Thank
you.
My
name
is
dave
rollinson,
I'm
the
agent
for
the
application,
and
my
colleagues
are
either
from
the
developer
or
technical
consultees.
To
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you
for
you
for
your
points.
Yes,
we
are.
We
are
definitely
going
to
retain
the
tree
and
we've
had
a
tree
survey
done
of
it.
L
We,
you
quite
rightly
can
see
that
the
root
ball
is
bulging
up
because
it's
constrained
and
what
we're
seeking
to
do
both
as
part
of
the
construction
and
the
long-term
management,
and
there
is
a
condition
requiring
this,
but
we've
already
submitted
the
details
of
it
to
give
it
some
breathing
space
to
give
it
some
room
to
allow
that
to
happen,
we
will
have
seating
areas
around
the
tree.
The
tree
won't
sit
in
isolation
with
the
paving
right
up
to
it.
L
It
will
have
that
breathing
space
and
sitting
areas
we
don't
own
that
land.
So
what
we're
looking
to
do
is
work
with
you,
as
the
council,
through
a
section
278
agreement
to
deal
with
the
the
highways
and
and
that's
the
proposal
as
part
of
the
public
realm.
So
what
we
do
need
to
do,
as
you
say
it
currently
sits
next,
it's
so
tight
up
to
the
building.
We
do
need
to
do
some
small
scale
pruning
and
we've
identified
the
details
of
that,
but
that's
simply
to
allow
the
construction.
L
Then
it
can
grow
back
and
that's
gone
through
your
your
officer,
consorties.
L
With
regard
to
the
use
of
the
tables
and
the
cafe,
we
have
engaged
with
the
cafe
owners
and
with
the
businesses
along
there,
and
you
may
see
in
the
officer
report
that
we've
set
up
a
forum
for
those
people
to
continue
the
engagement
with
us
through
the
construction
and
and
and
long
term,
so
we're
very
much
supportive
of
all
that
animation
and
activity
along
central
road
as
they
are.
You
will
have
seen
seven
letters
of
support
around
that.
L
So
absolutely
we
can
take
on
board
the
points
that
you've
raised
and
we've
submitted
sufficient
evidence
at
this
stage.
I
think
to
give
the
confidence.
The
last
thing
to
say,
probably,
is
the
details
of
that
are
subject
to
a
condition
and
further
ongoing
and
mr
hart
identified
that.
So
we
can
take
on
board
the
precise
details
and
work
that
to
your
office
of
satisfaction
to
comply
that
with
that
condition.
A
You
is
that
okay
seanan,
thank
you
david
moving
on
then
kaylee
councilbrooks.
Please.
F
Thank
you
chair.
Sorry,
let
me
just
get
my
notes
up
my
apologies.
F
So
I'm
a
bit
concerned
about
the
the
massing
and
sort
of
visual
impact
on
the
heritage
scenes.
I
find
the
the
top
player
to
be
quite
visually
jarring.
I
accept
that
the
the
rest
of
it
is
set
back,
but
the
top
layer
seems
seems
a
bit
of
a
step
too
far
to
me
fully
agree
with
council
hamilton's
comments
about
the
the
damage
to
the
tree.
I
hope
that
there's
a
there's
a
proper
plan
in
place
to
properly
protect
that
and
then
okay
hang
on
right
parking.
F
I'm
a
bit
confused
as
to
why,
in
the
in
the
slides
this
reference
to
parking
when
it's
a
car
free
development,
because
I
mean
obviously
you're
going
to
have
a
drop
off
and
and
pick
up
sort
of
plan,
but
does
that
mean
that
there's
a
there's,
a
agreement
to
have
access
to
the
building
for
drop
off
and
pick
up
when
when
that's
when
it's
a
time
of
year?
For
that
to
happen
or
is
it
is
it
that
students
will
be
expected
to
get
there
on
foot
by
public
transport?
L
Thank
you,
and,
and
thank
you
for
the
questions
I'll
deal
with
them
in
reverse.
If,
if
that's
okay
and
the
reason
you've
seen
some
of
the
sketches
with
parking,
is
it's
the
existing
blue
badge
parking
which
is
being
retained?
So
we
are
car
free,
we're
absolutely
right.
We
have
no
car
parking
spaces,
but
I
think
in
december
you
asked
us
to
answer
that
question
where
we're
retaining
all
the
blue
badge
parking
in
its
entirety,
and
we
are
so.
L
The
second
point
was
to
drop
off
and
pick
up,
as
you
rightly
say,
there's
conditions
requiring
us
to
have
a
management
plan,
and
we
we've
already
worked
through
that.
Through
our
travel
plan,
there
are
a
series
of
car
parks,
but
I
think
our
first
proposition
is
that
the
students
should
use
public
transport
because
we
are
so
accessible
to
the
railway
and
part
of
the
travel
plan
seeks
to
encourage
them
and
give
them
the
information
as
to
how
how
to
do
that.
L
The
second
point,
then,
is
that
the
operator
will
have
an
agreement
or
is
seeking
to
have
an
agreement
with
the
adjacent
car
parks,
and
I
say
adjacent
we've
got
a
list
of
them
all
and
they
all
are
all
in
close
proximity
and
then
the
operator
will
ensure
a
staggered
drop
off
and
pick
up,
and
it's
it's
more
drop
off
than
pick
up
to
ensure
that
it's
not
overloaded
to
work
through
and
then
during
construction
and
operation.
Central
road
will
be
maintained.
So
we're
not
seeking
to
close
that
off.
L
We
will
have
working
areas,
but
it
can
be
maintained
through
so
taxis
can
continue
to
utilize
that,
through
that
process
and
the
level
of
servicing
that
we
identify
is
similar
to
the
current
level
of
servicing
on
house
of
fraser
and
again,
all
that
can
be
accommodated
on
the
restrictions
and
traffic
regulation
or
the
restrictions
that
are
already
in
place.
We
can
accommodate
those.
So
from
that
point
of
view
and
I'll
come
back
to
the
next
point.
But
from
that
point
of
view,
I
hope
that
clarifies
the
the
points
that
you
raised
tree.
L
I've
covered
yeah,
absolutely
no
problem
with
regard
to
the
massing
and
visual
I'll
deal
with
it
and
then
I'll
I'll
ask
our
architect
to
just
come
in
with
with
some
more
of
the
detail,
I
think
what
we've
done
as
a
process
is
to
engage
specialist
heritage,
consultants
and
and
townscape
consultants
and
we've
started
by
looking
at
that
visual
envelope
and
how
it
sits
within
the
policies
and
how
it
sits
adjacent
to
the
conservation
area
and
the
list
of
buildings,
and
we've
done
a
lot
of
modelling
around
that,
and
I
think,
if
I
introduce
you
now
to
ed
norman
who's,
the
architect,
he
will
probably
explain
that
in
a
bit
more
detail
and
then
explain
the
materiality
as
to
how
you've
dealt
with
the
upper
floors.
H
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
the
introduction.
I
am
edward
norman,
the
architect
working
on
for
the
client,
so
I
mean
it's
an
interesting
perspective
and
I
think
that
it's
perfectly
valid
for
someone
to
have
an
opinion
as
to
whether
or
not
they
agree
or
support,
or
don't
the
transfer
of
materiality
from
the
sort
of
hip
level
of
the
building
to
the
upper
floors.
H
What
we've
tried
to
do
here
is
work,
a
kind
of
hate,
the
height
weight
and
distance
hierarchy.
So
we
looked
at
a
number
of
views
around
the
site
and
what
we
wanted
to
ensure
was
that
the
heaviest
element
of
the
building,
the
most
detailed
crafted
and
an
emblematic
if
you
like
element
of
the
building
related
to
the
existing
heights,
particularly
on
bright
with
the
listed
building
and
just
to
the
north
of
our
site,
the
the
massing
as
it
then
steps
up
behind
is
set
back
and
in
overall
mass
and
form
is
different.
H
It
was
actually
agreed
that
if
you
look
at
the
sort
of
eye
line
of
buildings,
whether
it's
from
the
corn
exchange
or
brigade
or
otherwise,
you
have
this
sort
of
visual
line
of
the
heavier
weight
buildings,
whether
they
be
in
stone
and
brick.
And
then
what
we
wanted
to
do
with
the
setback.
Portions
was
start
to
use
more
contemporary
and
indeed
lighter
weight
and
lighter
colored
materials.
So
we
go
from
that
stone
then
to
the
zinc
and
then
to
the
glass.
So
that
was
the
kind
of
architectural
philosophy
around
those
changes
in
materials.
H
Now
you
know
be
disingenuous
of
me
to
say
that
different
people
will
have
different
opinions
on
whether
that's
a
successful
approach
to
architecture
and
whether
it's
done
well
here
or
done
well
or
not
so
well,
somewhere
else.
But
that
was
the
philosophy
that
we
discussed,
reviewed
and
worked
on
with
with
officers
and
others
in
order
to
resolve
our
final
solution
in
terms
of
the
architectural
appearance.
L
And
if
I
can
just
say,
obviously
the
committee
report
identifies
it,
but
we've
engaged
both
with
your
design
team
and
with
english
heritage
heritage
england
these
days
to
work
all
that
through
and
to
work
that
massing
through
it.
It's
the
same
massing
the
same
scale
that
we
presented
to
you
in
in
december
that
we
feel
like
we
got
the
feedback
from
you,
so
we've
not
changed,
we've
not
increased
and
what
ed
and
the
team
have
done
is
evolve
because
some
comments
were
raised
about
the
materiality
we've
evolved.
F
L
We
did
yes,
we
did.
We
engaged
guys
from
social
who,
who
are
our
community
and
engagement?
Consultants,
undertook
a
a
large-scale
engagement.
We
did
a
presentation
to
the
civic
trust
committee
and
again
you've
seen
the
summary
of
their
comments
within
the
committee
report.
But,
yes,
we
had
wasn't
a
face
to
face.
It
was
a
zoom
at
the
time,
but
yes,
we
did
have
a
direct
discussion
with
them.
B
B
If
you
do
the
upper
floors
in
anything
other
than
a
light,
zinc
or
a
glass
they're,
just
gonna
look
abysmally
heavy
as
well
they'll
stand
out.
You
know
the
view
as
you're
walking
up
the
streets
and
what
the
upper
floors
stepping
back
means.
They're,
not
towering
over
you
on
the
street
and
the
long
distance
view
from
corn
exchange.
We
worked
hard
with
that.
Yes,
we
can't
deny
there's
more
massing.
D
B
B
A
F
That's
fine
chair,
but
I
mean
my
my
comments
were
more
around
the
messing,
not
about
the
the
materiality,
so
I
mean
if
you
look
at,
if
you
look
at
slide
38,
you
can
see
that
it
looks
big
and
I'm
not
I'm
not
talking
in
terms
of
what's
already
there.
I'm
talking
in
terms
of
the.
F
Its
location,
you
know
like
thanks.
A
Okay,
that's
fine
kelly,
we
will
move
on
and
we
will
be
moving
to
comments,
so
there
might
be
something
further
on
that
stage.
Can
I
bring
in
council
campbell
now,
please
colin.
D
We
didn't
have
a
long
discussion
about
this
in
december.
If
my
memory
is
correct
and
if
you
you
will
recall,
I
was
fairly
vocal
about
central
road
because
currently
it's
a
bit
of
a
dead
area,
it's
a
bit
of
a
not
very
pleasant
area
to
use
because
it
effectively
it
was
the
back
of
the
store
and
treated
as
the
back
of
the
store.
D
So
I
was
hoping
I
I'm
relaxed
about
the
the
frontage
onto
central
road,
but
I
was
hoping
that,
following
on
from
sharon's
comment
in
relation
to
the
tree,
that
would
be
talking
about
a
bit
more
extensive
improvements
to
commercial,
so
sorry
to
central
road,
particularly
to
make
it
into
a
much
more,
I
would
say,
pedestrianized
pedestrian
friendly
area.
D
I
know
you,
you
may
you've
made
some
proposals,
but
I
think
my
view
is
perhaps
they
ought
to
be
a
bit
more
extensive
and
cover
the
entirety
if
nothing
else,
for
your
frontage,
in
fact,
the
bit
we
can
see
at
the
moment
between
where,
where
the
photograph's
taken
and
the
tree,
I
think
that
will
pro
if
you
did,
that
that
will
provide
a
much
better
pedestrian
domestic
environment,
because
there
will
be
a
lot
of
students
in
here
and
on
a
warm
day
like
today,
it's
a
fair
distance
for
them
to
walk,
to
sit
anywhere
in
a
green
space
and
therefore
they're
going
to
spill
out
onto
the
surrounding
road
network,
and
I
think
you
could
do,
and
I
think
I
would
ask
you
to
do
a
lot
more
in
relation
to.
D
Certainly
this
section
of
central
road
would
that
be
possible.
L
Thank
you,
council
campbell.
If
we
stick
with
that,
drawing
there
that
that
actually
doesn't
depict
our
public
realm
improvements.
So
the
reason
for
that
is
that
this
is
an
ongoing
discussion,
because,
as
I've
said
before
it's
the
section
278
element,
it's
the
local
local
authority
land
as
part
of
your
highways
console
team
response,
we're
required
to
to
provide
606
pounds
per
flat,
which
is
223
000
pounds
towards
these
sorts
of
activities.
And
what
we've
done
is
work
with
your
colleagues
in
highways
to
look
at
those
sorts
of
issues.
L
So
if
we
start
from
the
point
of
view
that
you
asked
us
in
december
to
get
more
activity
along
that
frontage-
and
we
have
now
got
our
student
amenity
along
that
frontage-
we've
got
the
student
reception
area
along
that
frontage
and
we've
got
the
rear.
Sorry,
the
main
access
for
the
basement,
leisure
and
retail
activity,
so
we've
we've
animated
the
street,
and
then
it
comes
down
to
the
public
realm
elements
in
looking
at
that
overall
figure.
And
that's
if
you
like,
the
sil
compliant
figure,
that's
the
figure
that
that
we've
been
working
within.
L
We
do
actually
now
extend
improvements,
not
just
along
the
whole
of
our
frontage,
but
right
up
to
the
kerguet
link
along
the
footpath
area,
because
your
highways
colleagues
said
to
us-
and
I
don't
know
which,
whether
tim
you
can
put
the
perhaps
the
other
drawing
back
up.
There
is
an
area
of
of
a
dark
colored
block
which
feels
like
it's
for
highways,
but
it's
not
this
bollard's
that
stops
it
and
your
highways
colleagues
rightly
said
to
us
that
feels
like
an
anomaly.
L
So
what
we've
agreed
to
do
is
to
extend
if
you
like,
the
red
line
area
of
the
public
realm
right,
the
way
along
or
north
along
central
road,
beyond
our
frontage,
to
link
with
kerguet
we've,
clearly
retaining
the
tree
and
everything
we've
said:
we're
giving
that
tree.
Breathing
space
and
seating
areas
there,
so
that
spillout
that
you
asked
for
can
be
both
from
students
and
from
the
cafe
into
those
areas,
and
then
that
anomaly,
you
can
see
it
on
there.
L
I
don't
tim
whether
you
can
highlight
the
area,
but
you
can
see
the
anomaly
between
the
two,
the
two
red
elements
that
we
will
resolve.
So
what
we're?
Currently
proposing
to
do
is
to
bring
the
granite
sets
within
the
main
spill
out
area
and
then
look
at
a
a
variance
between
the
granite
sets
and
the
the
the
red
along
that
pedestrian
area.
But
I
have
to
say
your
comments
are,
are
interesting
and
welcome
because
it
is
an
emerging
scheme
and
we
are
working
through.
L
We
have
to
set
this
in
the
context
both
of
you
know
overall
sort
of
build
costs
and
inflation.
We
have
to
deal
with
with
what's
required
and
I
think,
as
a
planner,
I
also
have
to
just
say
to
the
client
look:
there
is
a
sill
requirement
figure
here
and
we're
trying
to
deal
with
it.
But
your
comments
are
welcome.
L
We
can
continue
that
discussion
with
tim,
andy
and
stephen,
and
we
can
work
through
along
there,
but
we
will
definitely
introduce
benches
and
we
will
give
the
breathing
space
for
the
tree
and
there
will
be
that
breakout
space
and
we
will
do
some
form
of
improved
surface
treatment
right.
The
way
up
to
kergue
does
that
help.
D
G
Thank
you
chair.
I
I
think
the
I
think
there's
a
bit
of
confusion
I
mean
sill
is,
is
nothing
to
do
with
the
highway
works.
It's
totally
separate,
there's
been
a
at
some
custom
and
practice
with
student
accommodation
in
other
areas
of
the
city
centre,
where
I
think,
as
as
a
contribution
to
public
realm,
that
figure
is
being
used,
saying
that
there
have
also
been
on
these
other
schemes.
Requirements
for
offsite
highway
works
that
are
over
and
above
that
contribution
level.
So
I
think
there
has
been
discussion
about
that
contribution
level.
G
But
what
that
contribution
level
wouldn't
do
is
fund
the
entirety
of
the
scheme
on
central
road.
So
I
think
the
ideal
and
what
we've
been
what
we
would
like
to
achieve
would
be
the
entirety
of
that
blue
line
area
upgraded
as
part
of
this
development,
but
but
what
the
developer
said
to
us
is
that
no
they
can
they
can
just
do
they
can
do
this
area,
that's
white,
but
including
including
that
extended
bit
there
at
the
end
on
the
footwear
side.
So
that's
where
we're
at.
G
We
would
like
the
blue
area
we're
being
offered
a
different
area,
but
it's
you
know
it's
they're
saying
it
is
their
cost
and
viability
issue.
I
think
the
the
bigger
concern
is
that
you'll
have
a
road.
That's
a
bit
of
a
mishmash
if,
if
this
is
paved
in
a
different
area
to
the
blue,
to
the
reds
red
blocks
on
the
other
side
and
the
gray
sets
on
the
road
and
then
with
the
potential,
the
granite
area,
that
would
reflect
the
granite
stone
that
we've
got
on
kergate.
G
So
we
are
at
risk
of
getting
a
bit
of
a
mishmash,
albeit
you
know
we
we
could
potentially
do
something.
You
know
this
little
area
here
could
could
be
significantly
enhanced.
I
think
where
I'm
at
at
the
moment
is
we
can
deliver
these
by
section
278,
but
we
haven't
gone
through
that
process.
Yet
to
say
that
these
are
the
this
is
these
are
the
off-site
highway
works?
We've
had
a
safety
audit
on
them,
we've
accepted
them
that
we
haven't
gone
through
that
process.
G
So
I
think
it's
been
a
little
bit,
perhaps
not
quite
resolved
at
this
stage.
D
G
The
other
condition
we
have
on
it
is
is
a
condition,
a
condition
relating
to
doing
a
survey
of
the
condition
of
the
highway
around
the
site,
which
would
be
on
brigades,
kergate
and
central
road,
because
I
think
when
you're
developing
in
such
a
constrained
city
centre
area-
and
you
know
with
the
with
the
demolition
and
then
the
construction
we
would
seek
to
ensure,
at
the
very
least
that
we
got
the
paving
in
a
decent
condition
when
they
left
the
site.
G
K
A
I
have
to
say
david
and
thank
you
for
your
reply
and
you
have
moved
there's
no
question
of
it,
but
most
members
on
site
agree
with
council
campbell
that
you
know
it
would
make
such
a
difference
if
this
was
paved
in
one
generic
material.
A
It
does
very
much
look
like
back
a
house
rather
than
front
of
house,
and
I
I
think
students
expect
a
lot
more
often
there
when
someone
was
at
your
university,
lived
in
bed
that
sits.
So
it's
something
that
I
think
should
be
seriously
considered
and
I
think
the
question
that
was
put
by
kelsey
campbell
that
there's
no
requirement
for
affordable
housing.
So
it
does
give
you
a
bit
of
leeway
and
clearly,
during
the
construction
period,
there's
going
to
be
a
large
building
demolished.
A
There
may
well
be
damage
to
that
that
surface
I'd
be
surprised
if
it
wasn't,
quite
frankly,
as
I'm
sure
you
would
be
another,
so
perhaps
something
to
consider
really
seriously.
L
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
the
comments.
The
reason
I
mentioned
silly
is
the
still
compliance,
not
the
sil
money,
but
exactly
that's.
Why
we're
here
clearly,
we
would
like
we
would
hope,
and
we
would
like
a
positive
resolution
today,
but
that
is
the
details
of
that
are,
if
you
like,
not
not
before
you,
that
is
an
ongoing
condition.
Discharge
and-
and
I've
heard
you
clear,
I'm
sure
tim
has
heard
you
clear
as
to
how
we
work
through.
L
A
Okay,
can
I
bring
in
council
khan,
please
now
asga.
B
Thank
you
chair.
My
question's
already
been
covered
by
a
colin
yourself
actually,
and
I
will
echo
each
word
what
they
have
said
to
you
know.
I
would
love
to
see
the
improvement
on
the
central
road
as
well.
That
will
help
massively
and
it
will
uplift
the
area
also
as
well.
So
I
want
to
spot
my
do
that
those
comments.
A
J
Thanks,
I
mean
in
terms
of
the
building
as
a
whole,
both
on
brigade
and
from
central
road.
I
think
it
it
does
look
much
improved
to
what
was
there
and
the
fact
that
there
is
some
activity
on
central
road
is
a
bonus
to
what's
there
at
the
moment
and
really
will
help
the
businesses
opposite.
The
independent
businesses
that
I
think
we
raised
that
we
were
very
very
keen
were
supported
through
this,
because
I
was
going
to
add
to
the
comments.
Column.
J
When
actually,
we
see
it
very
much
as
a
pedestrian
shared
space,
and
we
would
expect
vehicles
to
see
that
this
is
for
people
walking
and
cycling
across
the
entire
stretch
of
it.
You
know
the
need
for
bollards.
There
is
probably
you'd
be
questioning
why
you
would
need
bollards
in
a
space
like
that,
but
I
I
imagine
it's
the
black
color
of
the
road
that
does
that
and
makes
it
seem
like
a
road
without
doing
something
wrong
there.
J
I
think
we'll
have
conflict
where
cyclists
and
pedestrians
will
try
and
stay
on
the
red
areas
of
the
street
in
order
to
try
and
avoid
the
potential
conflict
for
cars,
in
fact,
it's
their
street
to
use
in
their
entirety
in
the
cars
in
many
ways,
the
ones
that
should
be
taking
more
care
in
that
area.
J
So
I
think
that
that's
something
that
could
be
added,
and
it
is
a
shame
that
the
tree
there
has
no
extra
companions
to
help
it
along
along
that
facade,
so
a
bit
more
greenery
a
bit
more
and
obviously
we're
keeping
the
disabled
parking.
But
I
would
like
to
see
a
bit
more
along
there,
but
it
is
yeah
those
black
and
dark
sets
along.
There
are
the
things
that
are
causing
an
issue
with
that
road.
A
Thank
you
for
those
comments.
Peter
colored,
please.
D
Yes
check,
but
if
we
start
on
the
the
building
itself,
I
I
think
it's
actually
looks
quite
a
nice
design.
I
think
it
it
works,
it
will
improve
rigor.
D
I
know
we
jokingly
said
that
in
the
1950s,
when
the
way
the
wall
was
still
was
erected,
that
was
probably
cutting
edge,
design
and
we'd
be
sitting
around
the
table,
saying
we
don't
like
that
horrible
victorious
stuff
next
to
it,
but
certainly
times
move
on,
and
this
seems
to
me
a
sympathetic
development
down
there,
which
I
appreciate
it's
taller
than
the
existing
and
it's
taller
than
the
one
next
door.
D
But
I
think
we
have
to
be
realistic
that
there
needs
to
be
certain
mass
within
the
the
development,
and
I
think
the
developer
has
accepted
that
and
and
created
some
upper
floors,
which,
though
they
won't
be
invisible,
will
not
be
so
much
in
your
face,
I
think
is
the
word
the
rest
of
it.
I
think
it.
It
looks
quite
interesting.
D
We
often
get
designs
which
are
fairly,
in
my
opinion,
fairly
bland,
but
there's
plenty
of
detailing
on
here
which
reflects
a
lot
of
the
detailing
on
those
victorian
buildings
of
rigger
and
and
on
to
commerce
onto
central
road.
I
keep
trying
to
call
it
commercial
street.
I
don't
know
why
central
road,
I
think
the
the
ground
floor
works
here,
because
it's
there's
going
to
be
plenty
of
light.
There's
going
to
be
plenty
of
activity
on
that
particular
section
which
currently
is
fairly
dead.
D
Quite
frankly,
and
it
I
think,
once
you
get
usages
in
the
place,
it
helps
other
property
owners
to
re-evaluate
what
the
effectively
their
frontage
is.
You
know
where
should
we
be
aiming
at
and
so
the
other
properties
down
there
further
down
the
further
down
central
road
might
actually
start
to
look
out
onto
central
road
in
a
way
that
they
don't.
D
At
the
moment
I
would
say
I
won't
say
it's
a
red
line,
but
I
think
we
have
to
make
it
very
clear
that
we
want
to
see
something
much
more
comprehensive
on
this,
this
section
of
commercial,
central,
centric,
again
central
road
that
we're
seeing
at
the
moment
sharon's
point
about
the
trees
is
valid
and
I
think,
because
of
the
constraints
on
the
tree
itself,
it's
lifting
itself
out
of
the
throat.
D
So
there's
there's
going
to
have
to
be
some
serious
work
around
it
anyway
to
to
to
create
space
for
the
tree
and
it
struck
us
as
we
walked
down
towards
the
market.
D
After
going
on
the
site
visit
crossing
over
the
the
crossing
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
road
on
the
there's
been
a
little,
I
don't
say,
pocket
piece
of
greenery
with
some
trees
and
some
beds,
and
I
think,
if
you're
looking
for
a
exemplar
of
what
you
could
do
around
that
tree
and
on
here,
all
you
need
to
do
is
to
just
walk
from
here
down
to
the
market
and
look
at
that
because
I,
I
think
that
really
works
small
scale
intimate.
D
A
Thank
you
colin,
very
useful
comments.
A
lot
of
agreement
around
the
table
on
that
can
I
bring
in
council
walsh
on
neil,
please.
H
Yeah
thanks
chad.
I
think
it's
a
another
application.
That's
really
benefited
by
the
tender
embrace
of
the
city
plans
panels.
Here
it's
really
much
improved.
I
think
there's
an
awful
lot
to
recommend.
I
won't
go
dwell
too
much
from
what
colleagues
have
already
said,
but
I've
got
a
lot
of
agreement
with
their
comments
so
far,
particularly
regarding
central
road
in
the
additional
details,
we'll
we'll
want
to
see
there
in
due
course,
but
I
think
looking
at
it
from
brigade,
I
think
there's
a
lot
to
commend
in
the
design.
H
I
think
that
the
architect
can
then
take
a
lot
of
credit,
for
I
think
he's
really
good.
The
detail
is
good.
The
stepping
back
is
good.
Materiality
is
good.
I
think
it
replaces
a
very
bad
building
that
I
think
council
campbell's
right.
I
think
sometime
in
the
whenever
it
was
built,
I'm
going.
I
need
to
get
rid
of
this
victorian
rubbish.
So
let's
put
up
this
simple,
concrete
modernism,
but
I
think
this
is
a
far
better
replacement.
H
I
think
other
colleagues
have
covered
the
issues
regarding
mogrini
and
whatnot.
From
my
own
point
of
view
chair,
I
think
the
approach
to
to
climate
energy
and
brian
is
good.
That's
what
we
want
to
see
again
very
welcome
to
see
that.
So
I
don't
really.
I
don't
have
any
negative
concerns
chair,
so
I
mean
it's
an
appropriate
time.
I'd
be
prepared
to
move
the
recommendations.
A
Thank
you,
council
walsh,
asgard
police.
B
Thank
you
chair,
and
you
know
from
the
site
visit
this
morning
and
have
a
looking
at
the
building
that
is
existing
there.
Many
people
will
not
be
sudden
to
miss
that
building
and
this
new
proposal,
I
think,
is
remarkable,
remarkable
building
it's
going
to
be,
and
it's
going
to
improve
the
area
as
well.
So
I
echo
you
know,
I
welcome
this
new
design
and
you
know
well
detailed
and
it
blends
in
really
nicely
with
the
listed
building
side
of
it
as
well,
just
the
on
the
back
of
the
central
road.
B
What
I
said
early
on,
I
think
it
will
be
nice
if
we
can
have
some
improvements
on
the
central
road
and
and
have
some
landscaping
around
the
tree.
So
people
can
enjoy
themselves
well,
they
are
walking
or
having
a
small
breaks,
so
that
will
be
welcomed.
Thank
you.
I
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
said
it
this
morning
to
the
officers
and
colleagues
saying
that
I
go
to
the
house
of
fraser
and
I've
never
noticed
how
ugly
the
building
work,
because,
obviously
we
just
go
in
that
side,
but
looking
at
it,
what
you
propose,
that's
gonna
be
built.
When
you
come
out
of
trinity,
it
will
be
a
a
really
good
site
to
look
at
it's
going
to
be
brilliant.
So
I
I
imagine
myself
because
I,
when
we
finish,
I
went
back
and
stood
at
trinity
by
the
lady
of
the
cloth.
I
Is
it
called
yes
and
I'm
thinking
how
ugly
that
building
is.
This
will
be
a
really
good
site
to
look
at
and
draw
people
out,
because
that
was
the
whole
idea
when
trinity
was
approved
to
bring
people
out
onto
to
brigade-
and
I
think
this
this
this
will
do
it
and
also
with
the
landscaping
and
saving
the
tree
and
ensuring
that
it
don't
die.
The
people
live
in
in
the
buildings
opposite
and
it
will
be
somewhere
for
them
as
well
to
to
sit
and
relax.
I
So
you
know
they've
never
had
anything
because
the
trees
of
the
tree
every
so
often
I
think
it's
the
council
pave
it
I'll
break
it.
So
that'll
be
nice
for
them,
because
I
know
someone
who
lives
around
there
and
they've
got
nowhere
to
go
really
to
enjoy.
Apart
from
the
cafe
section,
so
I
think
they'll
enjoy
that
as
well.
Once
it's
all
come
so,
yes,
once
that
area
is,
is
developed,
I
think
it
will
be
well
used,
and
I
like
it.
A
I
think
we
all
do
charm,
one
of
them,
so
indeed
high
praise
for
developers
in
particular
to
ed
the
architect
really
well
done.
Thank
you.
I
think
we
it's
generally
well
received.
I
know
there
was
concern
about
the
massing,
but
not
particularly
about
the
design.
B
Thank
you
chair.
I
I
think
you've
done
part
of
the
summary.
For
me.
I
think
members
on
on
on
the
whole
are
very
supportive
of
the
scheme.
There
have
been
a
number
of
members
who've
raised
the
questions
about
the
extent
and
nature
of
the
treatment
to
central
road,
but,
as
both
the
applicant
and
officers
have
advised
that's
an
ongoing
discussion.
B
However,
we'll
we,
we
will
take
into
account
what
members
have
said,
and
we
know
those
comments.
The
the
recommendation
is
to
defer
and
delegate
the
the
decision
and
that's
subject
to
not
only
the
completion
of
the
section
106
agreement,
but
it's
also
subject
to
resolving
the
outstanding
concerns
of
the
hse
and,
and
we
can
also
address
because
it's
already
covered
in
the
in
the
report-
by
by
condition
the
detailed
nature
of
the
section
278
works.
Thank
you
chair.
A
That's
unanimous,
thank
you,
and
can
I
thank
the
applicants
and
the
architect
once
more
good
design.
We
we
like
to
see
that
type
of
quality
come
to
leads
with
the
resolution
of
the
pedestrian
area.
I
think
we're
on
the
right
track.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
have
a
good
afternoon.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Debbie.
Can
we
move
on
to
the
final
item
agenda
item
eight
and
it's
a
pre-application.
Sarah.
Do
you
wish
to
say
anything
at
this
stage?
Okay,
over
to
the
applicant
center,
as
you
know,
you've
been
making
a
presentation
to
us.
You
have
10
minutes,
but
we
might
stress
that
a
little
bit
if
it's,
what
you're
saying
is
worth
listening
to.
So
it's
entirely
up
to
you,
make
it
interesting.
E
Thank
you
very
much
good
afternoon,
chair
members,
a
little
introduction.
My
name
is
chris
johnson
architectural
assistant
enjoyed
design
architects
and
leads
I'm
here
today
with
greg
mitchell
director
at
enjoy
design
we're
here
on
behalf
of
town
center
securities.
To
present
you
to
you,
the
scheme
at
100,
marion
center
and
white
house.
E
The
scheme,
as
you've
visited
this
morning,
is
located
in
the
north
centre
in
the
arena
quarter
of
the
city
on
this
plan,
the
sites
in
particular
are
labeled
number
one
for
100
marine
center,
which
we
shortened
to
100
mc
and
number
two,
which
is
weight
house.
E
The
aim
of
our
presentation
today
is
to
introduce
the
emerging
principles
of
scale
and
use
on
the
site
and
that
we
believe
that
the
site
is
a
sustainable
and
appropriate
location
for
student
accommodation,
regeneration
of
this
phase
of
the
american
estate,
our
100
marine
center
and
the
white
house
proposals
form
the
latest
phase
in
a
long-term
redevelopment
of
the
marine
estate
in
this
image,
we're
showing
the
four
major
projects
that
have
been
delivered
in
the
past
13
years,
which
have
enabled
sustainable
regeneration
strategy
that
has
avoided
a
statewide
demolition.
E
Many
similar
retail
developments
of
this
out
of
this
age
have
experienced
this
wholesale
demolition
demolition
to
introduce
a
site,
more
detail.
Wade
house
is
currently
an
11
story,
office
building
with
ground
and
first
floor
retail.
The
offices
are
vacant
as
of
2021
and
100.
Marion
center
has
ground
floor.
Retail
with
a
disused
cinema
above
town
center
securities
have
undertaken
several
design
studies
regarding
the
reuse
of
the
cinema,
but
none
have
proven
commercially
viable.
E
E
So
a
unique
feature
of
the
marine
estate
is
the
formation
of
the
estate
is
a
urban
block
in
the
city.
This
is
established
what
we
define
as
a
visual
marion
podium,
which
is
suitable
for
holding
for
hosting
tall
buildings,
set
further
back
from
the
public
highway.
E
Apologies,
it's
worth
noting
that,
since
the
2019
approval,
the
arena
quarter
has
substantially
evolved
to
form
a
tall
building
cluster
in
line
with
the
sbd
along
merriam
way
and
wade.
Lane
there's
been
movement
away
from
an
office
in
retail,
led
development
towards
a
purpose-built
student
accommodation
area
which
has
formed
reappraisal
of
the
100
marion
center
and
wade
house
site.
E
So
what
we're
seeing
here
is
the
our
kind
of
conceptual
approach
to
the
design.
Our
first
design
principle
has
been
to
retain
and
reuse
as
much
as
possible.
At
wade
house
we've
proposed
a
major
retrofit
and
modernization
package
with
additional
floors
added
to
the
top
of
it
at
100
marine
center.
The
current
construction
means
it's
not
suitable
for
a
re-use
and
retrofit,
so
we've
proposed
careful
demolition
works
to
enable
a
suitable
footprint
for
a
taller
building
to
be
created
on
the
site.
E
Following
discussion
with
officers,
we've
established
that
a
scale
for
both
of
the
schemes
can
be
identified.
It's
proposed
that
we
add
up
to
three
stories
on
wade
house
in
line
with
technical
constraints
of
the
existing
structure
at
wade
house.
We
propose
to
remove
the
outdated
facade
retrofit
this
with
a
high
performance
modern
envelope
to
meet
modern
standards
at
100
marion
center.
E
The
new
building
is
proposed
to
rise
to
a
maximum
of
35
stories.
This
is
roughly
in
line
with
the
what
we
identify
as
the
higher
building
tier
that
is
one
to
establish
in
the
area.
E
We
then
propose
to
split
the
initial
100
marine
center
mass
into
three
components,
with
ambition
to
create
a
visual
tall
building
cluster,
which
complements
the
the
contemporary
tool
building
cluster
emerging
along
merriam
way,
as
shown
in
these
diagrams.
E
E
It
enables
the
potential
for
material
and
design
detail
to
each
of
the
components
on
100
marine
center,
which,
alongside
wade
house,
would
establish
an
emerging
design
code
for
the
for
a
pair
of
contemporary
buildings.
Here
as
part
of
our
studies
of
the
scale,
we
assessed
the
proposals
in
the
context.
E
In
its
context,
by
preparing
a
series
of
key
long
distance
views
from
the
adopted
leads
tall
building
sbd.
This
shows
that
the
scheme
would
visually
blend
into
the
taller
building
context
around
the
city
centre
from
a
long
distance
in
discussion
with
officers,
we've
then
also
established
several
closer
views
and
we've
modeled
these.
In
the
view
city
software.
E
Now,
looking
specifically
at
the
layout
within
the
marion
estate,
the
proposal
has
been
designed
to
retain
strong
retail
frontage
to
the
public-facing
shopping
mall.
A
new
route
was
introduced
to
enable
access
to
the
new
landscape
courtyard,
along
alongside
secure
access
routes,
specifically
for
the
student
accommodation
to
encourage
interaction
with
the
estate.
E
The
ambition
is
to
maximize
these
connections,
create
a
truly
sustainable
site
and
unlocks
previously
inaccessible
areas
of
the
marine
estate.
E
As
part
of
our
assessment,
the
proposal
will
look
to
add
new
pedestrian
cycle
routes
for
students
and
the
public
to
connect
the
site
into
its
surroundings.
E
E
Both
100
marion
center
and
wade
house
will
be
well
suited
to
handle
the
peak
vehicle
traffic
that
can
occur
at
student
drop-off
times.
This
would
be
managed
through
an
estate-led
strategy,
utilizing
the
merrie
and
multi-story
car
park.
A
route
can
be
established
between
both
proposals
along
the
existing
marion
estate
balcony,
and
this
enables
direct
access
for
both
of
the
accommodations.
E
It's
proposed
that
there
might.
There
would
also
be
a
restricted
vehicle
delivery
and
drop-off
route,
which
could
also
be
operated
from
the
courtyard.
This
would
form
a
well-lit
and
controlled
access
to
ensure
a
safe,
secure
route
for
out
of
hours,
access
from
wade
lane.
E
On
the
upper
accommodation
levels,
we've
assessed
that
the
scheme
can
be
compliant
with
the
draft
purpose-built
student
accommodation
and
hmo
sbd
requirements
for
both
proposals.
These
layouts
are
forming
part
of
an
emerging
emerging
student
accommodation
strategy
to
demonstrate
that
the
football
the
footprint
is
feasible,
and
but
these
are
subject
to
change
in
the
future.
As
the
designs
developed
at
this
stage,
we've
also
considered
that
proposals
would
be
suitable
for
future
conversion
into
private,
residential
or
hotel
conversion
without
major
demolition.
E
What
we
have
also
going
to
establish
is
that
there's
an
emerging
design
approach
towards
a
contemporary,
a
contemporary
unitary
system,
which
gives
a
lightweight
crystalline
appearance
through
varying
transparent,
opaque
panels.
There
was
an
aspiration
for
a
shared
language
between
100
marine
center
from
whitehouse
through
material
and
detail
design.
E
Our
landscape
proposals,
which
have
been
prepared
by
reform,
illustrate
an
emerging
public
realm
that
will
regenerate
the
courtyard
site
into
a
new,
attractive
public
amenity
opportunities.
Further
outdoor
student
or
retail
amenity
in
the
form
of
reef
terraces
could
also
occur,
improving
the
surveillance
and
activity
of
this
area,
crucially
in
sustainability
as
well.
Our
proposal
responds
to
the
lead
city
council's
climate
emergency
declaration
by
embedding
sustainability
principles
from
an
early
stage.
E
Fundamentally,
this
improve
this.
This
includes
our
retain
and
reuse
strategy
by
the
reuse
of
white
house
and
the
insurance
that
the
buildings
could
be
adapted
for
future
use.
The
site
location
also
is
a
key
part
of
this
strategy.
It
encourages
a
sustainable
lifestyle
for
its
proximity
to
amenities,
to
encourage
the
realization
of
walking
and
cycling
sitting.
Specific
technical
details
and
specifications
can
be
clarified
as
design
process
continues.
E
In
summary,
today,
we've
presented
our
initial
ideas
and
ambitions
for
the
100
million
center
and
warehouse
proposals
in
the
current
direction
of
travel.
These
conceptual
visualizations
of
the
scheme
illustrate
how
a
regeneration
of
the
site
could
become
a
truly
sustainable
development
in
the
marion
estate.
A
J
I'll
do
a
question
question
not
not
necessarily
related
to
the
buildings,
but
but
the
purpose.
Obviously,
the
the
ideal
requirement
for
the
purpose-built
student
accommodation
is
to
try
and
relieve
some
of
the
houses
of
multiple
occupancy.
In
some
of
the
other
areas.
We've
got
the
city
free
up
the
family
housing.
J
One
of
the
difficulties
I
always
find
when
we're
looking
at
this
is
that
we're
not
necessarily
looking
at
having
the
full
range
of
purpose-built
accommodation
that
we
may
need.
So
when
I
was
a
student
in
the
city
15
years
or
so
ago,
I
found
that
the
house's
shared
house
was
two-thirds
of
the
price,
maybe
of
purpose-built
accommodation
that
was
around
at
that
time.
J
But
what
we
tend
to
be
looking
at,
I
think,
is
very
high-end,
very
expensive,
purpose-built
student
accommodation,
which
obviously
is
going
to
serve
a
purpose
to
get
some
of
the
students
out
of
some
of
those
houses,
but
maybe
not
those
that
are
effectively
impacted
most
by
cost.
J
I
just
wondered
if
you
could
talk
around
the
the
level
of
what
we're
looking
at
here
in
terms
of
the
purpose-built
accommodation,
what
kind
of
whether
it's
a
high-end
accommodation
you're,
looking
for
whether
it's
more
inclusive
and
going
to
be
suiting
all
the
different
students
of
the
city
and
how
it's
going
to
be
different
than
maybe
from
some
of
the
other
offers
that
are
around.
C
I
could
sort
of
try
to
answer
your
question
and
it's
not
an
easy
one
to
answer
at
the
moment,
because
what
we're
trying
to
do
at
the
moment
is
establish
the
principle
I
guess
of
student
accommodation.
This
isn't
a
scheme
that
our
applicant
would
be
building
themselves,
they'll
be
working
hand-in-hand
with
with
a
with
a
student
accommodation
provider.
So
I
think
it's
a
very
interesting
point
you
make,
and
it's
certainly
one
that
we
could
take
away
with
us.
C
I
think
almost
would
need
to
sort
of
take
your
question
and
answer
it
a
little
bit
further
down
the
line,
not
that
we
want
to
dodge
it
at
this
point,
but
we
probably
can't
really
answer
it.
If
truth
be
told,
we
can't
really
give
it
the
the
sort
of
the
thought
that
it
deserves.
J
Come
back
to
me
coming
in
thanks-
and
I
appreciate
that-
and
I
think
the
principle
is
very
sound
in
my
view,
and
it
fits
in
with
what's
emerging
if
you
can
just
be
cognizant
of
that,
then
as
we're
going
through,
because
actually
to
to
really
make
a
popular
and
diverse
student
area.
Out
of
this,
we
do
need
the
full
mix
of
students,
not
just
those
that
tend
to
be
the
wealthiest.
C
A
You
colin
please.
D
C
So
to
answer
your
first
question:
advanced
talks
are
ongoing
with
a
student
accommodation
provider,
no
firm
commitment
is
made
with
them
at
the
moment,
which
kind
of
overlaps,
with
the
first
question
really
as
to
why
we
can't
answer
that
in
too
much
detail.
But
this
we're
certainly
not
here,
should
we
say
flying
a
kite.
There
are
potential
end
users
in
the
background,
with
discussions
ongoing
you're
right,
a
consent
was
granted
for
office
accommodation.
C
Of
course
the
market
is
an
ever-changing
beast
and
unfortunately,
the
office
accommodation
or
the
potential
end
user
that
we
were
here
to
try
and
secure
a
consent
for
at
the
time
the
deal
sadly
fell
away
and
didn't
move
forward.
That
is
exactly
why
we're
here,
looking
at
an
alternative
use.
H
I'm
thanks
to
you
to
be
honest.
Mine
are
more
a
set
of
comments
really
then
then
questions
direct
questions
and
he's
better
for
the
applicants.
It
was
a
good
presentation.
I
liked
him
very
much
probably
better
to
hear
than
rather
than
me
twice
and
derek
questions
I'll
come
in
at
an
appropriate
time.
Chair
first.
A
One
kaylee
please
counselor
broke.
F
Thanks
chair,
I
I
agree
with
my
colleague,
councillor
carlill,
so
I
represent
this
part
of
the
city
and
a
little
slice
of
like
high
part
burley
and
a
little
slice
of
whatever
like
but
nobody's.
I
F
Big
I
for
all
the
for
all
the
pbsa
that's
going
up
in
the
city.
I
have
not
seen
any
reduction
in
demand
on
hmos
in
in
the
the
sort
of
traditional
student
areas.
F
C
I
too
was
assumed
in
leeds
many
years
ago,
and
I
still
wonder
where
the
heck
we
all
used
to
live
because
the
amount
of
student
accommodation
has
been
built.
I
I
can't
honestly
answer
your
question,
but
there
still
seems
to
be
an
insatiable
appetite
for
for
student
accommodation,
one
way
or
another.
I
think
just
to
make
the
point
that
going
forward
there
is,
there
will
be
a
detailed
report
on
demand
coming
forward
with
an
application.
So
you
know
that
will
be
part
of
the
next
stage.
B
C
Appearance,
yes,
the
the
images
that
we've
put
forward
today
are,
they
are
conceptual,
and
the
reason
they're
conceptual
is
that
the
sort
of
the
plans
and
the
elevations
quite
clearly
work
work
handing
glove
and,
as
we
continue
talks
with
potential
end
users,
the
mix
will
will
influence
the
the
elevations.
As
you
can
imagine,
I
think,
for
a
whole
host
of
reasons,
both
technical
and
appearance.
We
would
be
looking
for
a
more
unified
glazed
system,
so
the
images
you're
seeing
they're
not
accidentally
fairly
glassy
in
appearance.
C
I
think
that's
kind
of
the
the
flavor
we'd
be
looking
to
adopt,
but
it's
it's
probably
about
as
far
as
we
can
take
them
at
the
moment.
Whilst
the
plans
are
somewhat
generic
in
form.
I
Can
I
just
ask
with
regards
to
inside
the
marion
center
we
talked
about
around
the
back,
where
the
cash
point
is.
Is
that
going
to
be
change
or
anything
different
gonna
happen?
There.
I
E
So,
on
the
on
the
plan,
essentially,
that
is
around
the
point
where
we'll
be
creating
a
new
foreign
fraud
so
becoming
essentially
in
that
cash
point
area.
It's
the
one
adjacent
to
the
home
bargains
retail
unit,
yeah,
so
essentially
that
that
would
be
in
the
position
where
we
would
look
to
create
the
new
for
a
fair
through
obviously
there'd,
be
a
kind
of
relocation
and
a
retail
strategy
that
would
determine
where
that
could
be.
E
To
the
to
the
courtyard
so
it
might,
it
might
be
useful
to
be
able
to
just
see
the
the
layout,
because,
essentially
what
we,
what
we
do
propose
is
that
there
is
the
strong
retail
frontage
maintained
within
the
marion
mall
itself.
But
then
we
essentially
create
a
new
means
of
accessing
these.
E
E
Live
there?
Yes,
it
will
be
they'll,
be
obviously
that
this
will
work
in
line
with
the
marian
estates
wide
strategy
to
be
able
to
do
that.
But
the
the
kind
of
ambition
is
to
be
able
to
make
that
public
space
in
the
public
foreign
yeah.
I
So
the
only
reason
why
I
asked
that,
because
I
remember
when
the
office
building
was
approved,
I
think
you
know
about
making
it
accessible.
Yeah.
A
C
Simple
answer:
that,
yes,
is,
it
is
the
answer
we're
looking
at
a
car
free,
courtyard,
yeah,
very
much.
H
H
I
think
that's
where
we
like
to
see
that
I
think
the
way
the
marion
block
as
the
marion
estate
has
evolved
over
the
last
couple
of
years
has
been
very
welcome
as
it
moves
from
that
that
hint
of
dystopian
70s
architecture
into
something
that
looks
fit
for
a
major
european
city
in
the
in
the
early
21st
century
and
something
about
marion
center.
Is
that
once
we're
showing
a
load
of
photos
from
1972
when
it
had
just
been
built,
and
he
looked
dystopian
even
then,
so
we're
glad
to
see
it.
I
H
H
I
think,
first
of
all,
we're
we're
in
the
it
would
approach
the
climate
to
energy,
we're
in
the
process,
so
you'll
be
aware
of
a
climate
emergency
local
plan
review
which,
which
gathers
weight
with
every
passing
day,
we're
sort
of
two-thirds
through
that
process.
So
we
very
much
want
to
see
attention
paid
to
that
and
see
that
this
can
be
an
example
of
development
with
that
regard,
and
certainly
the
things
that
you've
mentioned
so
far
give
some
indication
of
that.
That's
that's
very
welcome.
H
Chair
very
much
want
to
see
a
focus
on
that
as
councillors
carlill
and
brooks
have
mentioned
that
the
student
mix
is
really
going
to
be
really
important
to
us.
The
affordability
of
all
this
is
going
to
be
really
important.
H
There
is
a
lot
of
pspo
in
that
area
that
could
be
considered
to
be
all
fishing
in
the
same
pond
and
at
some
point
that's
going
to
break
as
a
model.
Yes
and
I'd
hate
to
see
something
good.
Come
forward
in
this
location,
and
for
that
to
be
the
case,
I
represent
heading
in
high
park,
which
is
neighboring
water
council
of
brooks
and
the
holy
grail
for
a
lot
of
our
constituents.
It's
a
psbo
to
finally
capture
second
third
final
year,
what
other
students?
H
So
I
really
think
your
providers
should
be
looking
towards
that,
because
the
growth
of
psp-
I
didn't
know
I
didn't
know
there
was
enough.
Well
am
I
on
psp-
are
all
good
grief.
There
are
so
many
acronyms
in
local
government,
let's
go
with
purpose-built
student
accommodation,
I'm
sure
you're
all
nodding,
so,
but
no,
but
there
is
a
lot
in
the
purpose
built
in
the
area
yeah
and
the
points
remain
wrong,
abbreviation
or
not,
and
for
a
lot
of
our
constituents.
H
The
holy
grail
is:
is
that
capturing
those
later
year,
students,
because
that
will
directly
free
up
family
accommodation,
I'm
sure
the
law
of
the
student
house
chair
will
always
be
there,
but
if,
if
purpose
built,
could
crack
that
does
that
that
market?
That
would
be
incredibly
incredibly
welcoming
in
the
world
that
a
lot
of
us
represent.
So
I
think
that's
going
to
be
interesting
to
see
how
you
approach
that,
but
I
think
more
widely
that
this
area
is
going
to
take
some
real
management.
H
There's
the
hotel
right
next
to
it
sure
there
are
multiple
eateries
of
us
eating
and
fast
food
there's
an
awful
lot
of
pspo
in
the
areas
yeah.
I
think
we
need
to
see
details
of
how
both
your
your
application
deals
with
the
management
of
all
of
that.
But
actually
we
need
to
look
more
broadly
chair
and
we
need
to
get
a
view.
I
think,
as
a
panel
as
to
how
what
the
admiration
of
all
this
is
going
to
mean.
You
know,
picture
the
scene
on
the
second
week
of
september.
H
You
can
imagine
how
it
might
look,
so
we've
not
had
any,
not
too
many
problems
so
far,
but
at
some
point
you
know
we
that
may
well
happen,
but
I
would
give
this
a
a
sort
of
you
know
a
course
of
optimistic
sort
of
you
know
thumbs
up
really,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
good
here
and
I
think
the
concepts
and
the
scale
is
correct.
It's
just
getting
those
details
right,
but
it
is
just
to
finish
up
here.
H
A
Neil
colin,
please.
D
I
I
suppose
touching
on
the
freeing
up
the
houses
of
heavily,
which
we've
been
talking
about
for
as
long
as
I
can
remember,
and
had
all
right
and
high
park,
I'm
back
really
and
and
several
other
areas.
I
could
mention
that
right.
I
don't
think
it's
the
fortunate
panel.
I
don't
think
we
can
book
the
market.
D
D
You
won't
be
tripping
over
students
all
the
time,
but
I
don't
see
that
happening
in
the
near
future
and
I'm
also
sympathetic
to
the
developer,
because
this
the
old
marion
center,
as
somebody
who
remembers
it,
opening
and
thinking
at
the
time
it
was
well,
if
I'm
honest
with
you,
people
actually
came
to
look
at
it
because
it
was
such
a
novelty
and
it's
looking
a
bit
tired
in
places
and
the
the
the
developer
has
over
the
years
upgraded
sections.
D
Almost
in
a
I
was
going
to
say
circular
they've
gone
around
the
site
in
effect,
but
I
suppose
my
comments
really
relate
to
the
questions
were
being
asked
and
I
think
that's
that's
it.
So
do
members
consider
the
proposed
site
is
suitable
for
students.
D
D
D
You
effectively
walk
up
an
alley
out
a
weird
lane
into
a
pretty
unpleasant
area
at
the
moment,
and
it
seems
to
me
that,
if
you
put
in
what
they're
talking
about,
which
is
a
thousand
students
into
that
space,
it's
really
not
a
very
pleasant
environment
for
them
or
a
safe
environment,
actually
for
them
to
use,
and
I'm
I'm
not
convinced
that
this
this
talk
of
a
landscape
courtyard,
it's
not
a
landscape
court
yeah!
D
D
I
don't
think
it's
really
that
I'm
not
convinced
this
is
a
suitable
site
for
that
type
of
development,
because
I
think
the
the
the
living
conditions
for
the
students,
the
the
rooms
themselves,
but
I
think
the
what
we've
normally
expected
and
which
we
saw
on
the
previous
application.
The
previous
item
was,
we
were
talking
about
a
student
facility
with
a
downstairs
accommodation
which
provided
services
for
students,
but
had
a
high
profile
you're
not
going
to
get
that
here.
D
D
I
think
that
I
think
the
other
thing
relates
to
the
design
scale
and
massing
the
design.
I'm
not
really
sure
about.
We've
got
some
artist
impressions
that
would
be
work
in
progress.
D
I
would
suppose,
but
I
am
mindful
we-
we
went
to
look
at
the
the
site
from
millennium
square
on
the
site
visit
this
morning,
which
I
think
was
extremely
valuable
for
me,
because
it
did
indicate
that
effectively
this
would
be
highly
visible
from
millennium
square
and
it
will
back
up
against
the
museum
and
I'm
not
convinced
with
what
we've
been
shown
today,
that
those
buildings
will,
in
effect
frame
the
museum,
and
I
used
as
my
example
this
morning,
the
old
bbc
building.
D
If
you
go,
look
at
the
bbc
building
that
is
framed
by
a
modern
building
and
in
my
opinion,
that's
a
classic
of
how
to
do
it
right.
It
really
works.
In
my
opinion,
this
I'm
not
sure
about
it's,
a
big
building
and
a
big
extension.
D
A
Thank
you
colin.
I
again
I
have
to
say
when
we
were
in
millennium
square
this
morning,
that
was
a
general
concern
of
the
members
present.
Certainly
you
know
the
height
of
it.
It
needs
very
careful
looking
at
and
how
you
lightened
the
top
of
it
at
the
very
least.
So
it
does
need
a
lot
of
work
there.
Sarah,
I
think,
kaylee,
please.
F
Thanks
chair,
I
think
I
think,
in
terms
of
like
the
design
and
everything,
because,
because
we're
only
at
pre-app
stage,
there's
a
lot
of
flexibility
there.
I
think
the
design
could
address
some
of
the
concerns
about
amenity
on
site.
I
mean,
would
it
be
possible,
for
example,
to
to
design
in
some
roof
terraces,
like
all
sorts
of
stepped
in
terraces,
to
make
a
bit
more
a
bit
more
of
an
interesting
design
and
just
throwing
some
some
stuff
out
there?
F
And
I
suppose,
I
suppose,
also
a
concern
that
is
often
raised
by
local
residents
is,
is
about
impact
on
amenities,
I'm
not
talking
so
much
about
parks
and
green
spaces.
I'm
more
talking
about
gps!
So,
and
I
know
that
the
student
medical
practice
is
over
over
subscribe.
F
So
I
would,
I
would
be
interested
to
know
like
what
kind
of
provision
would
be
in
place
at
the
time
of
building
for
for
the
residents
of
this
block
as
well,
because
it
is
a
lot
of
people,
isn't
it
so
yeah
so
yeah
I
mean
I,
I
don't.
I
don't
think
it's
the
wrong
place
at
all.
F
I
think
I
think
that
I
think
that
the
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
have
been
raised
can
be
designed
out
quite
a
bit
of
clever
design
and
a
bit
of
thought,
a
bit
of
extra
thought.
I'm
not
saying
that
you've
not
thought
and
just
yeah
making
sure
that
you're
putting
yourself
into
the
shoes
of
the
person
who's
going
to
be
living
there.
Yeah
cheers.
A
Thank
you
kelly.
Any
more
comments,
peter.
J
J
Obviously,
the
design
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
go
through
until
we
see
what
it
looks
like
so
that
that's
hard
for
us
to
see
now-
and
I
think
we'll
have
a
lot
of
questions
at
that
next
stage.
So
it's
probably
it
may
be
something
that's
useful
for
you
to
bring
back
to
us
again
before
it
comes
to
to
something
final,
maybe
so
that
we
can
see
a
bit
more.
But
the
one
thing
I
do
like
is
around
the
concept
of
it.
J
Looking
like
a
cluster
of
buildings
rather
than
a
single
one,
because
I
think
that
will
help
very
bit
a
lot
of
the
buildings
in
the
city.
While
we
have
a
number
of
tall
buildings
already
and
some
that
are
coming
through.
Some
of
them
do
look
in
isolation
at
the
moment,
and
I
think
what
you've
done
is
come
up
with
a
concept
that
that
could
be.
You
could
build
more
on
that
perhaps,
and
that
might
feed
into
the
comments
around
council
of
brook's
view
around
whether
roof
terraces
or
anything
there.
J
I
My
comment
is
the
same
as
it's
over
there
regarding
the
the
back
and
the
entrance.
You
know
if
we're
going
to
some
people
are
going
to
live
there
and
it
can't
be
just
no
cars
won't
be
there
and
just
a
little
square
for
them.
It's
got
to
be
welcoming
and
it's
got
to
be
somewhere
that
you
would
want
to
live.
So
I
always
put
myself
in
that
position.
Would
I
want
to
go
and
live
there?
You
know.
So
a
lot
of
work
needs
to
be
done
on
that.
I
You
know,
because
if
students
are
going,
we
know
that
they
come
they're
only
here
for
a
while
and
they
go
away,
but
others,
but
you
know
it
needs
to
be
something.
That's
bright,
vibrant,
not
too
dark,
not
look
like
just
a
dark
alley,
because
then
we're
gonna
end
up
getting
people
getting
assaulted,
etc.
So
if
it
could
open
up
somehow
as
well
and
be
bright,
yes,
so
that
that
definitely
I
I
wouldn't
want
to
be
walking
around
there.
Thinking
I'm
going
home
in
a
dark
alley,
so
it
needs
a
lot
of
work
on
that.
A
Thank
you.
Sharon
you've
heard
members
comments,
I'm
sure
that'll
be
a
guide
to
you.
Can
we
move
on
to
section
nine
and
there's
some
questions
that
officers
have
posed
for
you,
starting
with
nine
two.
Do
members
consider
that
that
the
proposed
use
of
the
site
for
students,
accommodation
to
the
ground
to
the
upper
floors
and
use
of
classy
commercial
use
to
one
unit
at
ground
floor
with
the
resulting
loss
of
potential
retail
space
is
acceptable
in
principle?
It's
almost
two
questions
that
really
isn't
it
okay?
I
Should
have
been
split
up
all
this
question,
you
know
remember,
consider
the
proposed
use
of
the
site
for
students,
accommodation,
the
overflow
I
I
should
have
been
a
question
on
its
own
without
all
the
other
clustered
in,
but
we
don't.
A
I
think
we
can
all
agree
with
that
part
of
it
kelly
you're
right
I
mean
when
we
went
through
the
marion
center.
We
did
see
a
lot
of
steel
shutters
and
what
have
you
under
the
same
in
brigade
which
is
concerning
so
perhaps
that
part
is
fine.
What
about
the
use
of
the
building
for
students?
How
do
we
feel
about
that?
D
Like
I
said
at
the
very
beginning
of
my
comments,
there
are
a
number
of
student
properties
in
the
area.
I
think
I
need
more
convincing
that
simply
tweaking
this
one
to
make
it
usable
by
students.
I
need
more
convincing,
but
I
I
appreciate
what
you're
saying.
A
Useful
comments
colin,
it's
been
captured,
but
I
think
the
majority
believe
that
it's
it's
acceptable
for
students
is
that
right.
Am
I
reading
that
one
right,
I
take
silence
as
agreement.
D
Is
that
part
a
of
question
nine,
two
or
nine
three,
because
nine
three
I
I
quite
definitely
do
not
believe
the
living
conditions
are
suitable,
because
I
don't
think
you
know
that
that
entrance
of
wade
lane
that
shared
servicing
road
that
quite
well
gestured
at
a
landscape
courtyard
is,
is
where
I
think.
As
I
say,
this
is
for
a
thousand
people.
A
I
I'm
we're
not
on
9-3,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
people
might
actually
agree
with
that.
It's
got
to
be,
it's
got
to
be
right,
hasn't
it.
So
I
think
9-2
was
general
agreement
with
colin
knott
in
agreement.
Go
on
to
9-3,
subjective
confirmation
of
detailed
proposal.
Do
members
consider
that
the
living
conditions
within
the
student
accommodation
would
be
acceptable?
I
mean
we
don't
know
a
great
deal
about
that.
Do
we,
apart
from
the
size
of
rooms,
kaylee.
F
A
It's
a
very
wise
and
fair
point,
so
we
we
would
need
more
information
on
that.
Okay,
unless
do
you
remember
support
you
mentioned.
D
Can
can
I
just
say
when
you
send
more
information,
it
might
also
be
helpful
to
us
what
the
more
information
is
and
it
struck
struck
me
on
site
today
that,
if,
if
you,
if
you
look
at
the
the
the
weird
lane
entrance
with
the
barrier
and
the
one
at
the
other
end
effectively,
that's
the
service
yeah.
That's
currently.
This
is
the
service
yard
for
the
entirety
of
the
development.
D
So
I
think
we
need
to
understand
how
you
will
possibly
service
the
rest
of
the
development
if,
in
effect,
you've
taken
out
a
substantial
chunk
of
that
service
area,
because
at
the
moment
I
think
from
my
point
of
view
anyway,
if
the
servicing
the
level
of
service
in
vehicles
continues
to
be
at
the
same
level,
it
is
at
the
moment,
then
that
will
create
a
conflict
between
the
residents
and
that
service
vehicle.
D
I
would,
for
example,
say
quite
categorically:
you'd
want
to
close
the
entrance
from
wade
lane
that
we
went
walked
up
this
morning
to
vehicles
full
stop
part
of
making
it
a
better
pedestrian
environment
is
to
get
the
vehicles
out
of
the
way
turn
it
into
actually
something
that
looks
like
a
path
to
get
into
home.
Doesn't
it
sorry,
honestly.
A
Don't
think
there's
any
disagreement
on
that
with
you
colin
and
it
did
come
up
in
questions
that
would
be
cars
allowed,
and
you
know
I
mentioned
the
little
barrier
with
the
security
went
on
and
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
that's
all
gonna
go.
Is
that
correct,
yeah,
okay
and
clearly
it's
something
we
will
be
watching
very
very
closely
on
the
at
the
outline.
B
E
Yes,
there
is
yes,
so
you
might
have
noticed
it
on
your
visit
today
there
is
an
existing
service
and
the
proposal
would
retain
that
service
funnel.
I
believe
at
the
moment
the
estate
has
is
primarily
serviced
from
that
tunnel,
and
actually
the
that
car
park
section
is
is
not
used
very
much
for
servicing
of
the
retail
units,
so
it
the
the
service
tunnel,
would
be
maintained
as
part
of
the
product.
G
G
But
I
think
it
would
be
a
really
good
thing
if
we
can
close
that
exit
onto
wage
lane
clearly
retain
the
access
and
then,
if
there
is
any
high
level
service
requirements
remaining
see
what
turning
facility
we
can
get
in
there
and
send
them
out
under
the
tunnel.
I
think
that's
that's
that's
the
way
we
would
have
to
go
with
it.
A
Julian,
that's
very
useful:
can
we
go
on
to
nine
forward
and
you
remember
supporting
emerging
design,
scale
and
massing
and
of
course,
we've
already
commented
on
that
regarding
where
it
frames
the
museum.
A
D
A
A
You
thank
you
kaylee,
so
with
that
I
think
you've
given
a
good
steer
to
the
applicants
and
we
look
forward
to
the
scheme
coming
back
with
the
improvements
that
we
need
and
more
clarity
regarding
parking.
Okay,
can
we.
A
The
student
bikes
as
well,
don't
forget,
there's
a
thousand
thousand
students
on
there,
there'll
be
several
hundred
on
there
yep.
Okay
can
I
thank
you
both
for
presenting
this
afternoon
have
a
safe
journey
home.
A
And
for
us
work
never
quite
finishes.
Does
it
just
to
remind
you
that
the
next
meeting
is
on
the
14th
of
july?
I
don't
know,
what's
going
to
be
on
the
agenda,
then
I
even
I
haven't
seen
it,
but
I'm
sure
there'll
be
plenty,
but
thank
you
for
your
attendance
and
we
finished
before
four
o'clock.
That's
always
a
bonus,
isn't
it
thank
you.