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A
And
can
I
welcome
to
this
meeting
north
and
east
plan
panel?
My
name
is
council
java
doctor
and
I
will
be
chatting
today's
meeting.
A
G
Good
afternoon
paul
ray
from
huntsville
riverside
award.
K
Good
afternoon,
councillor
trish
smith,
I
represent
the
pudgy
ward,
but
this
afternoon
I'll
be
subbing
for
barry
anderson
who
represents
adelaide.
A
Thank
you,
everyone
before
I
move
on
to
the
agenda,
can
I
take
this
opportunity
to
thank
councillor
caroline
growing,
for
for
sharing
this
panel
for
for
many
many
years,
and
she
has
been
absolutely
a
fantastic
chair
and
I
wish
her
all
the
best
with
her
new
role
within
the
council.
E
Thanks
chair
under
agenda
item,
one
there's
no
appeals
against
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents,
a
gender
item,
two
there's
no
items
which
require
the
exclusion
of
the
press
and
the
public
agenda
item
three,
I'm
not
aware
of
any
late
items
of
business
agenda.
I'm
full
police
can
ask
members
to
declare
any
interests
I'll.
Take
those
now
an
agenda
item.
Five
we've
received
apologies
from
councillor
anderson
and
council
smith,
substitute.
A
Thank
thank
you
item
six
minutes
of
the
previous
meeting
held
on
the
12th
of
may
2022.
Do
members
except
these
minutes
are
a
true
and
correct
record.
A
Take
care!
No.
Thank
you
move
on
to
item
seven.
This
is
an
application
regarding
a
residential
development
of
360
new,
build
dwellings,
conversions
of
offices
to
form
two
apartments
in
the
old
farmhouse
refurbishment
extension
of
gate
house,
conversions
of
out
buildings
to
form
garages,
bin
and
cycle
store
and
associated
work
on
land
at
red
hall
lane
red
hall
leads.
Could
I
ask
the
officers
to
present
the
applicant.
B
B
I'm
aware
that,
since
publication
of
the
report,
I
think
a
number
of
the
appendices
became
somewhat
jumbled,
so
for
clarification,
appendix
one
is
the
minutes
of
the
city
plans
panel
meeting
from
2021
appendix
2
is
the
slide
that
you
see
before
you
hear,
which
is
the
various
easley's
extension
quadrants
appendix
3.
B
B
So,
in
terms
of
the
the
overall
easily's
extension,
the
the
slide
that
I
have
up
on
screen,
it
shows
the
various
quadrants.
So
if
I
start
in
at
the
far
north
and
work
my
way
southwards,
so
the
red
hall
site
is
in
the
far
north,
which,
as
I
say
this
morning
in
the
northern
quadrant,
which
we
also
visited,
which
spans
between
weatherby
road
and
york
road-
and
you
may
be
aware
of
the
grimes
dining
site
which
sits
next
to
it.
B
B
Now
connected
manston
lane
link
road
beyond
which
is
the
new
bridge
over
the
railway
and
connecting
through
thorpe
park
and
into
junction
and
46
of
the
m1
so
around,
where
the
springs
retail
park
is
and
so
on,
on
the
outside
edge
of
all
of
that
is
the
easterly's
orbital
road,
which
connects
the
existing
ring
road
to
the
north
of
round
hay
and
sits
on
the
outside
edge
of
that
housing
area.
B
B
For
this
particular
application,
the
position
statement
relates
to
which
is
red
hull.
The
site
is
actually
split,
so
there
was
a
housing
allocation
forming
the
eastern
part
of
the
of
the
site.
Sorry,
the
western
part
of
the
site,
the
eastern
part,
which
includes
red
hall
and
spans
out
to
weatherby
road,
was
actually
an
employment
allocation
at
the
time
of
the
udp.
So
that's
a
long-standing
allocation
for
a
effectively
a
business
use
which
isn't
something
that
would
sit
with
national
policy
today.
B
So
through
the
site
allocations
process,
it
was
proposed
to
convert
that
to
a
housing
allocation
effectively,
but
it
got
caught
by
the
remittal
process
and
that's
because
the
far
northern
part
of
that
proposed
allocation
fell
within
the
green
belt.
Now,
as
it
happens
that
that
bit
of
the
site
falls
out
to
the
north
of
e-law,
so
all
of
the
area
of
land
which
flows
within
the
planning
application
area
is
actually
land
that
was
otherwise
proposed
for
development.
B
So
the
current
status
is,
it
is
allocated
for
employment,
but
in
terms
of
the
tests
that
have
gone
through
in
the
site
allocations
process,
it's
not
required
for
employment
and
housing
is
acceptable
on
the
site,
so
in
terms
of
the
site,
characteristics
and
obviously
the
key
missing
thing
from
this
plan
is
is
e-law,
which
we
drove
on
this
morning
on
the
site
visit
so
heading.
B
We
headed
westwards
to
about
this
point
here
on
the
slide,
where
we
viewed
southwards,
towards
red
hall.
So
e-law
does
something
like
that
in
between
the
trees
red
hall
house
sits
within
the
middle
of
the
site,
which
is
grade
two
listed
building
with
a
coach
house
and
other
courtyard
buildings
around
the
rear.
B
For
the
west
of
that
was
the
former
council
depot.
You
can
see
there
a
number
of
greenhouses
and
other
areas
of
hard
standing,
they've
also
been
removed,
since
this
aerial
photo
was
was
taken.
So
that's
now
the
location
of
the
e-law
and
offices
and
depot,
but
clearly
in
time
that
will
be
removed
following
the
completion
of
the
e-law
scheme.
B
B
Now
the
site
itself
is
actually
for
the
most
part
owned
by
the
city
council,
so
it
would
be
if
planning
permission
was
granted.
It's
a
capital
receipt
site.
The
area
which
isn't
owned
by
the
council
is
this
area
around
red
hall
itself,
so
red
hall,
you
may
recall,
was
actually
owned
by
the
rugby
league.
You've
recently
sold
that
property
on
and
there's
a
separate
planning
application
to
convert
those
buildings
to
a
private
hospital
which
is
being
progressed
currently,
but
there's
a
completely
separate
entity
to
this
application.
B
So
with
that
in
mind,
the
council
drew
up
a
planning
brief
for
the
site.
So
this
is
an
extract
from
that
red
hall
planning
brief,
and
so
the
brief
itself
indicates
an
absolute
maximum
of
400
units,
but
then,
through
the
passage
of
time
as
it
progressed,
it
obviously
factors
in
the
housing
capacities
in
the
site
allocations
plan
and,
as
I
mentioned,
the
science
allocations
plan
was
proposing
to
bring
forward
this
eastern
element
as
housing.
B
So,
obviously,
as
you
would
imagine
that
the
area
of
highest
sensitivity
is
in
front
of
the
principal
elevation
of
red
hall
hull
and
that
decreasing
the
further
east
you
go
towards
weatherby
road
and
similarly
to
the
rear,
it's
the
area
of
least
sensitivity,
the
area
of
the
former
depot,
the
other
thing
that
this
plan
shows.
Obviously
it
shows
e-law
on
here
it
indicates
existing
tree
belts
and
individual
mature
trees.
B
It
also
shows
the
the
likely
points
of
access
along
red
hall
lane
and
also
off
of
the
ring
road
at
the
southern
south
western
end
of
the
site.
B
So
in
the
application
there's
a
design
and
access
date
which
takes
us
through
the
various
design
iterations.
This
is
a
concept
plan
which
forms
part
of
that.
That
statement
and
much
of
this
work
had
been
presented
to
city
plans
panel
previously,
in
the
context
of
looking
at
the
wider
strategic
impact
of
the
east
east
extension,
I've
included,
as
I
mentioned,
the
a
copy
of
the
minutes
from
the
city
plans
panel
meeting
last
year.
B
The
key
key
elements
to
draw
out
are
the
areas
of
where
housing
was
proposed,
so
on
this
eastern
area,
a
lower
density
area
of
housing,
which
indicated
by
the
paler
shade
of
grey
brown
and
then
the
darker
colour
is
the
slightly
more
higher
density
or
medium
density.
B
So
that's
where
that
u-shaped
configuration
of
green
space
has
come
from
beyond
that.
The
developers
have
taken
that
a
step
further
in
terms
of
looking
at
how
that
area
could
be
used
in
the
future.
So
the
areas
indicated
include
potential
play
areas.
Community
orchard,
this
southern
end,
a
potential
kickabout
area
in
front
of
red
hall
itself.
B
B
I
might
just
go
back
a
step
because
it's
probably
a
bit
easier
to
see
the
the
spying
road
which
connects
through
from
that's
weatherby,
road
and
red
hallway,
where
we
drove
this
morning
that
that
road
would
continue
through
the
gates
where
we
turned
around
through
the
site,
reach
crossroads
and
then
head
southwards,
towards
red
hall
lane.
So
that's
what's
currently
proposed
in
the
layout
that
absolutely
street
is
effectively
the
same
type
of
street
as
many
of
the
other
streets
within
the
development.
B
B
Obviously
it's
blanks
out
here
because
it's
outside
of
the
application
site,
but
there
are
a
number
of
houses
shown
to
the
west
of
the
red
hall
complex
now,
although
in
the
brief
it's
shown
as
an
area
of
lower
or
lowest
sensitivity
from
officer
perspective,
I
would
say
it's
not
the
case
that
it
has
no
sensitivity
at
all
and
you'll
see
from
the
report.
B
B
So
there
are
various
plans,
layouts
and
design
matters
to
be
addressed
in
the
scheme
and
we're
endeavoring
to
do
that
as
part
of
the
negotiations.
B
Just
also
mention
in
terms
of
housing
mix
and
9.1,
sorry
of
the
one-bedroom
properties
proposed,
there's
9.1,
which
broadly
occurs
with
policy.
Two
beds
are
at
26.4,
which
is
slightly
outside
of
the
parameters
for
two-bit
properties.
B
Three
beds
are
at
twenty
point
one
percent,
which
is
slightly
down
against
the
target
and
of
four
plus
bed
properties
they're
at
forty
four
point,
four
percent,
quite
a
large
chunk
so
of
the
officer
discussion.
So
far
with
the
developers
we've
suggested
perhaps
a
re-look
at
mix
to
see
how
that
helps
with
reconfiguring
the
layout
and
design
of
the
scheme.
B
So
in
terms
of
house
types
there's
quite
a
number
of
house
types,
I've
tried
to
provide
a
number
of
these,
but
not
too
many,
and
this
is
an
apartment
block
for
a
number
of
apartments.
Within
the
scheme,
a
number
of
detached
properties,
some
further
apartments,
terrace
of
houses-
you
can
see
they
largely
seek
to
provide
a
fairly
traditional
appearance.
B
B
In
terms
of
affordable
housing,
there
are
various
clusters,
so,
for
instance,
there
are
some
of
these
terraces
of
houses
and
then
again,
some
of
these
blocks
of
flats
around
the
crossroads
and
some
of
the
lots
of
flats
out
towards
the
ring
road,
as
well
as
some
other
houses
in
between.
B
In
terms
of
the
better
phrase
green
areas
within
the
site,
again,
you
can
see
that
retained
area
of
green
space,
the
retained
woodland
and
an
additional
new
tree
planting
proposed
a
green
buffer
around
ela,
in
addition
to
the
plants
that
will
be
delivered
as
part
of
the
evo
scheme,
which
is
off
the
outside
of
this
red
line.
Boundary
area.
B
So,
coming
back
to
the
point
around
the
spine
road-
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
for
bringing
a
position
statement
today
is
is
in
those
negotiations
with
the
developers.
There
are
various
factors
to
pursue,
but
one
of
the
quite
significant
ones
is
this
issue
of
the
spine
road
through
the
site
and
you'll
have
seen
from
the
letters
of
representation
on
the
report.
B
I
think,
from
an
officer's
perspective.
The
consideration
so
far
is
that
obviously
e-law,
which
is
due
to
opening
in
august,
significantly
changes
the
dynamic
of
the
local
road
network.
So
a
lot
of
that
orbital
traffic
that
would
have
gone.
What
currently
goes
around
the
ring
road
and
might
will
be
looking
for
an
easy
way
out,
should
otherwise
be
directed
northwards
around
e-law,
and
actually
this
wouldn't
be
a
particularly
quick
or
or
helpful
rat
run
through
the
site.
B
And
the
other
aspect
is
the
is
the
width
of
the
road
is
currently.
As
I
say,
a
standard
street
officers
are
mindful
of
the
accessibility
credentials
of
the
site
and
the
there
are
large
areas
of
the
site
which
aren't
particularly
well
accident.
They
certainly
don't
meet
our
accessibility
standards,
so
there
are
bus
stops
on
the
ring
road.
There
are
bus
stops
on
weatherby
road,
but
there
are
quite
large
areas
worth
the
sites
which
aren't
particularly
accessible
and
certainly
don't
meet
our
standards.
B
So
with
that
in
mind,
we
have
been
engaging
with
wika
as
to
the
possibility
of
bus
routes
through
the
site
and
what
potential
is
for
public
transport
provision
elsewhere
in
east
leeds
and
on
the
other
quadrants
we
have
been
investigating
the
use
of
demand,
responsive
travel.
So
this
is
where
you
have
a
minibus
that
operates
where
effectively
you
can.
You
can
order
at
a
particular
time
and
go
to
the
local
bus,
stop
and
get
on
the
bus
and
now
and
wyka
are
monitoring
that
and
see
that
as
a
potential
way
forward.
B
So
it
may
well
be,
at
the
very
least,
would
want
to
design
this
scheme
to
meet
those
requirements
elsewhere.
In
the
other
quadrants,
we
have
various
spine
rates,
which
is
designed
to
a
6.7
meter,
wide
width
to
accommodate
buses,
but
also
have
verges
and
trees
on
those
roads
as
well.
So
from
a
place-making
perspective,
it
gives
the
presence
of
a
higher
order
street
and
a
street
where
you'd
expect
to
find
buses
and
so
on,
and
it
allows
that
space
to
insert
the
infrastructure
like
bus
stops
and
shelters,
and
so
on.
B
So
officers
have
been
suggesting
that
the
developer
team
need
to
explore
that
a
bit
further,
and
rather
than
just
the
standard
streets
with
drives
and
footways
either
side.
It
ought
to
be
something
more
along.
The
lines
of
a
spine
road
shows
the
slight
conundrum
that
the
developers
have
is
trying
to
balance
on
one
hand
to
desire
from
local
residents
that
this
isn't
a
three
route
and
therefore,
how
do
you?
B
B
So
those
are
the
sort
of
factors
that
are
at
play.
This
particular
slide
was
prepared
by
the
developer
team,
ready
to
demonstrate
the
impact
that
a
standard
spine
road
of
those
dimensions
would
have,
and
particularly
the
impacts
in
terms
of
the
loss
of
the
hedgerow
and
trees
along
red
hall
lane.
B
So
they
they're
not
they're
different
to
the
other
spine
roads
in
other
quadrants,
but
that's
fine.
This
can
be
reflective
of
that
local
character
and
there
are
a
number
of
large
trees
in
those
front
garden.
Areas
on
red
hall
lane
as
well,
which
we
obviously
wouldn't
want
to
affect
and
on
the
northern
side,
rather
than
remove
trees
and
hedgerows
it'd,
be
better
to
really
sort
of
use
the
green
space
above
in
order
to
take
some
footways
and
cycleways
through
as
necessary.
B
I'm
sorry
99.5
meters
in
totality
and
the
standard
street,
as
is
currently
proposed,
the
others
have
looked
at
an
alternative
and
what's
described
as
something
that's
more
suitable
for
a
hopper
bus.
So
that
would
be
along
the
lines
of
the
the
demand
responsive,
travel
bus,
which
would
be
obviously
a
smaller
land
take
in
terms
of
the
area
used
by
spine
road.
B
The
other
aspect
just
to
mention
is
a
there's,
a
further
letter
of
representation
further
to
what's
covered
in
the
report
and
that's
from
a
resident
on
red
hallway,
and
they
say
that
they're
concerned
about
the
widening
of
red
hall
lane
and
particularly
becoming
a
three
route,
and
they
consider
that
the
two
areas
of
development
should
be
separate
parcels.
B
The
concepts
of
the
spine
road
should
be
considered
as
a
whole
concern
about
lack
of
traffic
modelling
for
non-e-law
junctions
as
a
result
of
development
I.e
these
of
these
spine
road
connections
to
the
existing
road
network,
too
many
houses
are
proposed
in
excess
of
50
noted
in
the
sap
on
that
eastern
area
concerned
about
lots
of
trees
due
to
drainage
and
concern
about
how
drainage
is
dealt
with
generally,
and
they
also
consider
that
the
green
space
should
be
managed
by
elite
city
council
rather
than
a
management
company.
A
M
Thank
you
chair.
That's
on
his
name,
as
I
say,
mark
johnson
and
alongside
me,
I've
got
represent
representations.
I've
got
my
cash
with
from
red
robe.
Just
in
case
we're
asked
any
questions
regarding
the
landing
effect
and
to
my
left
filming
from
optima
who's.
The
highways
consultant.
M
Hopefully,
we're
not
going
to
take
four
minutes,
but
what
we
would
like
if
there
are
any
questions
too,
is
we're,
certainly
here
to
answer
them.
What
we
do
know
is
that
there's
a
number
of
questions
being
raised
in
the
panel
report,
but
essentially
the
reason
for
being
here
today
is
that,
upon
our
request
and
our
request
is
to
address
the
principal
point
about
the
through
road.
Those
are
the
items
that
are
on
the
note
for
you
to
debate
and
potentially
ask
us
some
questions.
M
Is
that
redesign
and
addressing
some
of
these
other
points
can't
get
any
further
as
you've
seen
from
the
layout?
There's
there's
either
a
through
road
or
no
through
road,
and
the
difficulty
that
we've
got
is
the
developers
as
the
applicant
bearing
in
mind
it's
the
council's
site
is
that
we've
got
members
and
residents
don't
want
to
through
road
and
we've
got
highways
offices,
and
why
could
that
do
and-
and
essentially
we
need
to
come
away
today,
not
with
the
request
to
further
explore,
but
ideally
with
an
answer.
M
A
I
Yeah,
thank
you
chair
and
thanks
for
to
the
point
presentation,
I
was
appreciated
just
be
useful
to
from
your
perspective,
understand
the
pros
and
cons
of
the
three
options
of
the
of
the
through
road
yeah.
M
It's
designed,
in
effect
to
well
to
max
to
some
extent,
to
maximize
development
equally
with
drives
off
that
that
narrower
corridor
in
a
fade,
but
to
not
appear
as
if
it
will
be
a
through
route,
in
effect,
to
avoid
any
ability
to
rat
run
is
it
doesn't
look
as
if
it's
the
through
road
and
what
you'll
be
aware?
M
Is
that
because
we're
working
on
the
in
east
lisa
extension
sites
all
the
way
through
these
leads
not
just
through
e-law,
but
all
the
way
down
through
those
developments,
we've
got
a
spine
road,
a
public
transport
spine
road
on
the
and
on
the
three
cross
sections
that
we've
provided
it's
in
effect,
it's
the
maximum
one
red
hall
doesn't
fall
under
the
spd
for
east
leeds.
It's
got
its
own
design
requirement
in
the
design
guide.
The
design
guide
doesn't
anticipate
a
spying
road
through
the
site.
M
We
think,
if
we're
going
to
have
a
through
road
with
a
hopper
possibility,
then
we
would
need
to
design
it
slightly
wider
than
we
what
we've
got
it
and
therefore
we
have
suggested
a
bespoke
halfway
house
option
on
the
plan,
but
that
in
a
sense,
is
still
a
spine
road
that
goes
through
the
site
and
and
therefore
our
conundrum,
in
effect,
is
we're
either
having
a
spine
road
or
not.
M
We
don't
necessarily
need
to
say
it's
the
middle
option,
but
it
will
be
something
similar
to
in
different
parts
of
the
route
that
goes
through.
It
was
referenced
that
we
could
actually
stop
the
road
halfway
through
the
site
and
put
a
bus
connection
through
well,
you
know
again,
that's
possible.
We
don't
mind
that,
but
we
do
need
some
guidance
as
to
as
to
which
one
we're
going
to
go
on.
J
Thank
you
chair
in
the
report
at
para,
31
historic
england
have
raised
some
significant
concerns
regarding
the
housing
around
red
hall,
so
links
to
the
the
spine
road.
Obviously
you
make
it
wider
than
your
argument
is.
That
means
you
can
fit
fewer
houses
in
around
it.
M
Thank
you
counselor.
I
I'm
not
sure
it's
actually
connected
again
I'd
like
to
hear
the
opinion
of
the
offices
on
this,
but
I
think
the
access
comes
off
red
hall
road,
which
is
on
the
eastern
edge
of
that,
drawing
where
you
see
in
connecting
with
weatherby
road
and
in
all
honesty,
we're
not
quite
sure,
what's
going
to
happen
with
that
junction,
because
we
think
there's
a
closure
to
take
place
on
the
opposite
side
under
the
northern
quadrant
and
again
it
will
be
useful
for
officers
to
come
back
and
comment
upon
that.
M
But
there
is
no
alternative
access
point
into
the
site
off
weatherby
road,
so
we're
coming
in
off
the
red
hall
lane,
whatever
happens,
the
historic
england.
Objection
in
in
part
is
one
of
principle.
They
don't
want
to
see
housing
on
that
eastern
part
of
the
site,
but
then
tend
not
to
understand
that
the
site
is
already
allocated
for
employment
use.
M
We
appreciate
the
story.
England
wants
us
to
respect
the
sensitivity
of
red
hall
and
that's
what
the
planning
brief
does,
so
that
area
of
housing
to
the
east
of
red
hall
is
laid
out
in
that
fashion.
That
was
pointed
out
by
andrew,
creates
in
this
presentation
in
a
use
shape
of
green
space,
and
I
think
from
the
design
offices
so
far
and
from
all
of
the
comments
we've
had
from
the
council's
design
team.
M
Is
that
that's
fine
subject
to
one
or
two
tweaks
of
design
on
the
houses
fronting
onto
red
hall,
but
the
access
point
along
red
hall.
Lane
is
not
something
that
we
can
change
and,
as
we've
pointed
out
on
this
plan,
if
we
go
for
the
or
singing
or
dancing
higher
designed
spine
road
spec,
we
end
up
losing
trees
and
moving
verges
around
and
that's
not
what
the
residents
along
there
want.
I
M
Yeah,
thank
you
councillor.
We
we
are
looking
at
that
and
we
think
there
is
some
written
room
on
that.
One,
we're
very
mindful
of
lifestyles
these
days
as
to
how
people
work
from
home.
As
a
result
of
that,
sometimes
you
do
end
up
with
references
to
bedroom
numbers
being
the
fixation,
and
it's
clearly
not,
I
mean
most
of
the
meetings
we
have
with
planning
offices.
These
days
are
from
somebody's
bedroom
on
a
laptop.
So
what
we?
A
Right,
thank
you,
mr
johnson.
Can
I
now
we
also
have
council
pauline
graham
in
attendance
at
the
meeting
and
will
be
allocated
four
minutes
to
to
to
address
the
panel.
Please.
N
Thank
you,
chair,
council,
pauline,
graham
cross
gates
from
windmill
ward
and
a
resident
of
the
area,
since
I
was
five
years
old,
so
I
know
all
these
the
playing
fields,
I
never
thought
I'd,
see
any
building
on
the
fields,
but
that's
something
that
we
went
through
and
worked
with
the
developers
and
keeping
green
space
at
the
front
in
front
of
the
house
and
also
along
with
the
road.
So
it's
not
houses
on
the
road.
N
It's
still
the
fields
there
and
the
main
thing
we
did
say
from
the
many
meetings
going
back
over
a
few
years
with
my
previous
colleague
count
piece
of
brewing
was
we
didn't,
want
a
rat
run
from
red
all
lane
through
to
the
ring
road,
because
there
would
be
because
traffic
coming
down
the
ring
road
that
would
go
to
the
roundabout
weatherby
road
to
go
straight
through.
N
J
Yep
hi
councillor,
graham
just
following
from
what
we
just
heard
about
the
whip
issues
on
this
on
on
the
road.
Would
you
have
a
comment,
a
view
on
on
those
issues
as
a
local
ward,
member.
N
A
I
Yeah,
it's
a
similar
question
on
the
on
the
the
road
layouts
just
to
understand
from
officers
perspective.
What
what
the
rationale
is
for
the
the
big
spinal
route,
which
I
can
see
the
point
from
war,
mems
and
local
community
and
the
concerns
that
they
have.
So
I'm
just
understanding.
Why
that's
office's
preference
and
why
that's
better
than
the
alternatives.
C
So
I
think,
when
we've
got
a
housing
development
of
this
size,
we
want
to
make
sure
it's
properly
connected
and
our
our
design
guidance.
You
know
you
know
for
developments
over
300
houses.
C
You
know
we're
looking
for
two
access
points
and
I
think
what
I'd
like
to
emphasize
is
that
I'm
very
much
looking
at
it
rather
than
talking
about
a
spine
road
that
we're
talking
about
a
development
with
two
separate
accesses
and
how
those
link
in
the
middle,
perhaps
you
know,
I
think,
there's
further
work
and
discussions
need
to
be
had,
but
it's
about
also
that
place
making
so
one
allowing
public
transport
penetration.
C
I
mean
so
one
option
that
you
may
be
considering
the
future.
Is
that
a
ring
the
ring
road
bus
is
diverted
through
this
just
like
that
is
one
thing
that
could
perhaps
be
considered.
So
it's
important.
We
think
to
future-proof
the
development
so
that
there
is
a
route
that
a
standard
bus
service
you
know
could
travel
through
the
development
there's
a
large
area
of
the
development
that
is
well
over
400
meters
from
what
from
the
existing
bus
stops.
C
So
it's
about
making
sure
that
it
it
can
be
accessible
on
by
public
transport.
In
addition,
it's
about
trying
to
achieve
street
trees
and
verges
at
the
moment
the
proposals
have
no
verges
and
no
street
trees
on
what
the
developers
put
forward
and
also
providing
cycle
provision.
The
moment
there's
no
segregated
or
even
shared
use
cycle
provision
in
the
proposals
the
developers
brought
forward.
So
I
think
I'm
I'm
open
to
looking
at
you
know.
Sort
of
it
doesn't
have
to
be
that
sort
of
spinal.
That's
a
continuous
route
like
that.
C
It
could
be
one
connected
road
in
another
one
you're
coming
from
red
hall,
lane
that
meet
without
being
that
obvious
sort
of
you
know
through
routes
and
that's
by
node
concept.
I
think
perhaps
we
need
to
move
away
from
that
and
think
of
it
as
two
connections
with
the
proper
infrastructure
to
allow
that
bus
penetration
and
also
provide
the
diverges,
the
street
trees
and
the
cycle
provision
and
pedestrian
provision.
I
Yeah,
yes,
yes,
it
does.
I
think
I
I
my
sympathies,
probably
lean
towards
the
concerns
that
residents
and
members
have
raised
about
rat
running
and
having
experienced
it
in.
In
my
own
ward,
lots
of
other
I'm
sure
lots
of
colleagues
around
the
table
have
got
developments
where
they
spend
their
lives.
Trying
to
unpick
that
nice
connective
route
is
lovely
in
theory,
but
the
practicalities
of
how
people
actually
behave
then
becomes
a
problem,
and
that's
probably
where.
So,
what
would
you
say
to
to
those
concerns
that
people
quite
understandably,
have.
C
I
think,
as
as
with
the
opening
of
elar,
you
know,
you've
got
the
new
which
we
saw.
We
saw
people
on
site
visits
morning
so
and
in
terms
of
the
traffic
modeling
that's
been
done.
I
don't
think
the
evidence
is
that
it
wouldn't
be
a
significant
background.
There'd
be
no
benefit
to
using
that,
and
also
with
the
northern
quadrant
coming
forward
and
the
proposed
closure
of
the
west
eastern
arm
of
red
hall
lane.
C
That
also
lessens
the
likelihood
of
that
being
a
rat
run,
and
I
think
so,
I
think,
with
the
additional
road
infrastructure
that's
being
delivered
and
also,
if
an
appropriate
layout
and
where
the
junctions
were
within
the
site
that
you
you'd
minimize
the
risk
of
that
becoming
a
rat
run.
B
Sorry
yeah,
so
I
can
just
add
in
a
further
point
on
that
at
the
moment,
in
the
developer
scheme,
they've
got
this
area
of
crossroads,
which
I
mentioned
that
I
always
had
had
some
concerns
about,
but
in
terms
of
looking
at
a
potential
design
solution,
we
could
work
in.
I
think
we've
talked
about
a
t-junction
potentially
in
the
middle
of
the
site,
rather
than
the
crossroads.
A
Yeah
I've
got
council
smith
and
then
council
bethel
and
then
council
stevenson.
Please.
K
Thank
you
chair.
My
point
was
actually
to
try
and
see
if
there
was
any
way
to
break
the
road
up,
it
is
long
and
straight
it
will
turn
into
a
rat
run.
That's
just
the
way
things
are,
so
I
think
we
do
need
to
somehow
punctuate
it
and
make
it
awkward
so
that
it's
far
less
appealing
for
people
to
to
just
see
it
as
a
as
a
short
cut
through,
but
I
like
the
idea
that
we've
got
two
separate
accesses,
I
think
that's
necessary.
C
I
think
it's
not
the
intention
that
it
will
be
a
main
road.
You
know
it's,
the
the
the
geometry
we're
looking
for
is
what
we
determine
connector
street,
so
it's
connecting
the
new
development
to
the
external
network,
and
rather
this
is
like
a
main
road,
but
it's
just
making
sure
that
we've
got
that
cycle.
Connectivity,
public
transport
potential
and
pedestrian
connectivity
as
well.
H
Thanks
very
much,
it's
been
touched
on
a
little
bit
around,
making
it
less
appealing.
There
are
hard
engineering
solutions
that
we
can
use
to
make
it
still
an
effective
public
transport
route
that
make
it
so
that
the
rat
running
is
well,
it's
a
human
nature
thing,
isn't
it
so
if
you
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
quicker
or
easier,
then
therefore,
it's
less
likely
to
be
done.
H
I
guess
I
also
think
I
personally-
and
this
might
just
be
because
of
experience
in
my
award,
but
I
personally
find
looking
at
that
quite
worrying
in
terms
of
not
so
much
the
rat
running,
but
the
sort
of
nuisance,
bikes
and
the
almost
race
track
nature
of
it,
and
obviously,
when
we
have
things
like
speed,
cushions,
speed,
bumps
etc
put
in.
Actually
they
make
it
kind
of
a
game
so,
whether
or
not
there's
something
that
can
be
put
into
it.
That
mitigates
for
that.
H
At
the
same
time
would
be
something
I'd
be
interested
in
seeing
and
then
also
just
a
small
point
on
cycling.
I
have
started
cycling,
but
I'm
using
you
can
see
the
shocking
council
on
space
there,
but
I
use
an
electric
bike
because
I
am
not
up
to
a
regular
bike
and
if
we
want
people
to
be
getting
into
cycling,
then
that
is
where
a
lot
of
people
will
start.
Electric
bikes
are
incredibly
heavy
and
to
have
at
one
end
the
only
option
as
stairs
I'm
finding
quite
quite
worrying.
H
It
talks
about
the
the
pedestrian
link
to
the
pedestrian
and
cycle
path
facilities
being
developed
will
be
only
because
of
level
changes
accessible
by
steps.
So
I'd
quite
like
some
sort
of
acknowledgment
that
there'll
be
a
ramp
or
something
you
know
you
can
get
those
ones
that
they
kind
of
clip
onto,
and
you
can
just
push
them
up
and
they're,
often
at
stations
and
things.
If
I've
read
that
right,
which
I
also
may
not
done
thanks.
C
I
believe
that
there
is
actually
a
ramp
to
access
to
the
bridge
of
the
alarm
and
that's
what
you're
front,
but
I
think
we
are
working
again
pushing
to
try
and
improve
other
links
into
the
elor
route
as
well
and
also
along
the
existing
ring
road,
where
you
know
we're
looking
for
a
cycle
access
to
to
link
to
the
ela
and
also
to
link
to
other
cycle
network
beyond
the
site
as
well
so
yeah.
C
So
we
are,
you
know,
and
also
to
improve
the
link
along
the
a58
up
to
the
elr
roundabout
and
the
new
elor
around
the
way
which
includes
you
know,
segregated
cycle
route.
All
the
way
around.
H
J
Could
an
officer
just
explain
to
me
this?
The
you
mentioned
the
closure
on
red
hole.
So
can
we
just
explain
where
that's
at
what
the
actual
proposal
is
for
clarity
first
before
I
make
further
comment.
B
Only
a
couple
of
slides
away
yeah,
so
this
links
into
the
council
lam's
question
links
into
the
northern
quadrant
proposals,
which
is
the
next
scheme.
But
clearly
the
site
is
next
door
to
the
red
hall
site,
so
the
red
hall
site
is
to
the
west
of
wetherby
road
here
and
so
on.
The
northern
quadrant,
the
the
outline
consent
requires
red
hall
lane
to
be
closed.
B
A
point
closure
on
its
eastern
side
up
to
the
east
of
weatherby
road
and
that's
because
of
the
existing
safety
concerns
around
that
crossroads,
and
that's
the
crossroads
that
we
moved
through
this
morning
on
the
minibus
and,
historically,
that's
been
an
area
of
difficulty,
and
I
know
that's
been
exacerbated
in
more
recent
times
due
to
construction
traffic
and
so
on,
related
to
to
e-law
at
the
moment,
the
existing
residents
down
here
the
way
that
they
access,
weatherby
road
will
be
generally
to
travel
north,
but
a
long
red
hall
lane
and
then
they've
got
the
choice
of
going
straight
on
left
or
right
and
obviously
straight
going
left
takes
you
down
to
the
ring
road
and
turning
right
takes
you
out
towards
weatherby
in
the
northern
quadrant.
B
B
J
C
It's
about
ensuring
that
you
know
those
buses
can
progress,
really,
you
know
without
sort
of
hindrance,
whereas
I
think
hgvs
and
delivery
lorries
that
they're,
you
know
is
less
frequent
for,
and
so
it's
about
making
sure
that
there's
a
bus
route
that
isn't
going
to
be
obstructed
and
that
those
bus
buses
can
get
through
and
and
whereas
you
know,
we'd
expect
sort
of
like
large.
The
large
hgv
penetration
is
something
that
is
very
infrequent.
J
I
think
the
experience
of
most
bush
users
in
the
city
at
the
minute
would
be
that
they're,
not
that
frequent,
given
the
strikes.
In
terms
of
of
that.
Why?
Why,
therefore
can't
the
developer
building
bus
stops
that
sit
in
of
so
not
on
the
main
highway,
so
buses
would
pull
in
and
allow
the
free
flow
of
the
highway?
Why
is
it
that
the
road's
got
to
be
wide
enough
all
the
way
along.
C
So
really
it's
it's
about
allowing
that
sort
of
the
safe
passage
of
that
vehicle
and
also
allowing
sort
of
space
for
those
bus
stops
and-
and
I
think
yeah
you
know.
Usually,
we
we'd
we'd
only
ask
for
like
bus
lay
by
pullings
on
really
significant
main
roads
where
you're
holding
up
other
traffic,
whereas
we
wouldn't
be
needing
that
on
this
road.
C
But
it's
because
I
think
you've
got
to
also
allow
for
potential
parked
cars
that
type
of
thing
as
well,
so
the
bus
still
needs
to
be
able
to
pass
vehicles
that
are
parked
etc.
As
well,
and
that's
partly
why
you
know
the
road
we
need
to
be
widened.
A
I
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
ask
about
a
bit
more
about
the
bus
routes,
because
why
are
we
so
concerned
about
having
a
bus
route
straight
through
there,
because
my
logic,
unless
I've
got
it
wrong,
if
you're
going
to
have
a
bus
route
through
there,
there's
currently
bus
provision
down
wetherby
road
and
around
the
ring
road?
So
a
bus
that
went
through
the
estate
will
be
diverted
off
one
of
those
routes,
which
would
mean
the
existing
residents
would
be
less
accessible
than
they
are
now.
I
So
the
benefit
would
be
to
the
new
residents,
because
they'd
be
a
bit
closer
to
the
bus.
Stop
and
you'd
have
taken
away
from
existing
residents,
because
you
wouldn't
there's
been
no
justification
for
putting
a
brand
new
route
that
purely
diverts
through
there.
It
would
have
to
be
something
that
was
diverting
from
an
existing
existing
route
or
have
I
missed
something.
C
C
There's
a
significant
amount
of
this
development
where
the
the
proposal
proposed
houses
are
more
than
400
meters
from
the
existing
bus
stops,
whereas
the
existence
is,
if
say,
for
instance,
if
you
looked
at
say
the
ring
road
bus
most
of
the
houses
along
the
ring
road
frontage
would
be
able
to
access
a
bus
further
along
the
ring
road
bus
stop
or
on
wetherby
road
itself.
So
it's
about
ensuring
that
there's
a
potential
to
improve
the
accessibility
for
the
future
residents
of
this
development.
C
It
may
be
that
the
the
public
transport
offer
is,
you
know,
demand
responsive
transport,
that's
a
pilot,
that's
being
rolled
out
at
the
moment.
You
know
sort
of
monitored,
but
we
don't
know
exactly
what
the
bus
routes
are
going
to
be
in
the
future
and
and
there
will
be
a
balance
about.
Where
is
the
most
demand,
but
it's
about
making
sure
that
there
there's
bus
routes
and
bus
stops
within
you
know
our
acceptable
walking
distance
and
to
meet
our
accessibility
standards
and,
in
the
future.
L
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
lisa,
just
touched
upon
it
and,
as
we've
got
john
our
design
team
leader
here,
I
think
it's
probably
a
point
to
give
members
a
complete,
complete
picture
about
this,
the
spine
road
on
the
main
through
route
or
whatever
label.
We
we
put
on
it
because
it's
not
it's
not
just
solely
confined
to
a
highway
issue.
L
There
is
also
an
issue
about,
as
lisa
touched
upon
mentioned,
placemaking
and
giving
that
sense
of
identity,
an
issue
around
about
the
hierarchy
of
streets
as
well
and
making
a
place
more
legible,
so
that
people
can
easily
find
their
way
around
it.
And
what
you
see
a
lot
of,
what's
coming
out
of
central
government
planning
guidance
at
the
moment
about
making
beautiful
places
talks
about
grass
verges
and
trees
tree-lined
residential
streets.
So
it's
probably
just
worth
hearing
what
john's
got
to
say
on
on
that
aspects
where
to
which
one's
watching.
D
And
thank
you
chair.
Yes,
the
point
was
made
that
it's
not
just
about
the
accessibility,
but
it
is
the
place
making,
and
you
know,
with
the
developments
of
such
a
large
scale,
character
sense
of
place.
What
makes
it
different
from
the
the
other
large
development
plots
becomes
really
important,
particularly
when
we're
talking
about
a
single
phase
of
development.
D
Huge
number
of
units
delivered
at
the
same
time
and
at
present
presently
proposed
a
pretty
similar
style,
so
the
structure
of
the
place,
the
legibility,
how
easy
it
is
to
find
your
way
around
is
an
important
part
of
that.
The
point
to
be
made
about
the
direction
from
government
and
it's
very
much
about
beautiful,
distinctive
places.
Greenery
is
incredibly
important.
D
The
width
of
the
street
sends
a
message
and
the
ability
to
incorporate
things
like
virgins
street
trees
send
a
message
to
people
using
the
area
about
where
the
the
center
is
how
to
how
to
find
their
way
around
and
distinguishes
one
street
from
another,
which
is
incredibly
important
in
terms
of
creating
those
those
these
new
neighborhoods.
If
you
think
about
the
neighborhoods
that
we
love,
they
have
a
really
clear
structure
to
them,
and
it's
not
just
about
the
buildings.
D
A
Thank
you,
john,
that
was
helpful
council
smith
and
then
council
beethoven.
K
Thank
you
again,
chair,
not
sure
if
you
might
be
best
place
to
actually
answer
this
one.
I
realize
it
isn't
current
policy,
but
if
we
are
in
essence,
future
proof
in
this
estate
in
case
we
get
a
bus.
Why
aren't
we
future-proofing
in
case
we
get
a
mass
transit?
Thank
you.
C
I
think
if,
in
the
future
a
mass
transit
system
is
is
actually
delivered
for
leeds,
it
would
probably
most
likely
be
on
the
main
arterial
routes
in
and
out
of
the
city
with
some
key
radial
routes
as
well,
most
likely
and-
and
this
isn't
what
we're
looking
at
for
this
development
and
also
at
the
moment,
there's
no
policy
hook
for
mass
transit.
So
we
haven't
got
it's
not.
You
know.
C
I
know,
there's
work
going
on
with
waika
and
you
know
looking
at
developing
mass
transit,
but
it
is
far
in
the
future
and
we
haven't
got
a
policy
to
to
to
require
that.
A
Thank
you,
council
patel.
H
Thank
you.
I've
not
checked
the
specific
distances
involved,
but
I
wonder,
have
we
looked
at
having
a
commuted
sum
to
allow
bus
stops
to
be
put
in
around
the
development,
so
is
retained
on
routes,
but
extra
put
in
so
that
it
comes
below
the
400
meter.
Bus,
stop
policy.
C
And
we'd
usually
be
seeking
our
contribution
to
provide
bus
stops,
but
in
terms
of
accessibility
we
need
we.
You
know
there
needs
to
be
service
to
those
bus
stops,
but
we
would
be
seeking
contribution
to
install
bus
stops.
If
that
is
you
know,
decisions
made
to
to
route
a
bus
through
the
development
in
the
immediate
term.
H
B
Yeah,
sorry,
I
can't
say
yeah,
I
think
I
I
don't
know
what
you
mean
and
I
don't
think
in
this
particular
case
because
of
where
the
bus
stops
are
in
actually
quite
close,
proximity
to
the
red
hall
lane
junctions
and
the
the
ring
road
entrance.
I
don't
think
it
would
actually
change.
So,
even
if
you
had
additional
stops
on
the
ring
road
or
with
and
and
weatherby
road,
there
wouldn't
be
there's,
probably
not
as
much
space
for
them
to
be
far
that
much
further
on
than
where
they
are.
B
A
F
Does
this
whole
plan
come?
This
is
like
almost
a
pre-op
stage
to
a
degree.
So
does
it
come
back
again
and
then
the
second
point
is
the
flexi
bus
has
been
running
for
about
a
year
in
east
leeds,
and
I
just
wonder
if
we've
got
any
indications
to
its
usage,
because
the
flexi
bus
doesn't
actually
need
bus
stops.
So
it's
like
a
taxi
service
to
to
your
house
or
to
your
the
corner
of
your
street.
F
So,
and
the
third
point
is
when
the
new
e-law
road
opens
in
august,
we
don't
know
yet
what
the
effect
is
going
to
be
on
the
whole
area
holistically,
if
you
like.
So
if
things
do
come
back
again,
we've
got
maybe
get
some
indication.
I
mean
I've
heard
that
one
traffic
engineer
said
it
was
going
to
reduce
the
traffic
on
the
ring
road
run
seacroft
by
about
80
percent,
but
that's
hard
to
know.
Isn't
it.
B
Thank
you.
Yes,
so
at
this
stage
we're
a
position
statement
say
so
it's
a
live
application
and,
as
mark
johnson
touched
on
earlier
it
it's
really.
The
application
is
here
today
to
try
and
seek
out
members
views
on
the
scheme
so
far,
and
particularly
this
naughty
issue
of
the
spying
road
and
because
that
affects
the
dynamics
of
everything
else
on
site
in
terms
of
the
changing
layout.
So,
in
the
fullness
of
time
there
will
be
a
redesign
of
a
scheme
and
that
will
then
be
brought
back
to
panel
for
for
a
decision.
B
Now,
it's
a
question
on
the
drt
side
of
things.
Yes,
it's
a
trial.
That's
been
running
for
a
while,
I
think
from
the
discussions
with.
Why
is
it
about
must
be
nearly
a
year
actually,
and
so
I
think
it's
got
a
bit
further
to
run.
I
don't
have
any
figures
on
how
well
it's
doing
or
otherwise,
but
we
could
probably
get
those
from
wiki.
Definitely
lisa.
C
I
don't
have
any
figures
per
se.
I
know
feedback
is
quite
positive,
but
I
think
usage
is
quite
low,
so
it
is
a
pilot
and
and
it's
whether
that
is
something
that
is
going
to
be
sustainable
financially
in
the
long
term.
I
think
it's
too
early
to
say.
B
I
think
the
other
thing
just
to
obviously
add
into
that
is
it's
been.
It's
been
a
pilot,
unfortunately,
during
the
pandemic
as
well,
so
that's
probably
affected
the
dynamic
of
of
usage
and
and,
as
you
say
quite
rightly
obviously,
elo
will
be
opening
imminently,
and
so
we
may
well
have
at
the
moment
we're
forecasting
what
we
think
might
happen
to
traffic,
so
it
would
be
useful
to
have
that
real-life
experience
of
how
is
it
actually
being
used?
F
Yeah
so
there's
money
allocated
in
this
travel
plan
for
for
club,
cars
and
and
so
on.
I
just
wonder
if
that
money
would
be
better
spent
on
subsidizing
the
flexibus
service,
because
I
I
don't
know,
questions
have
been
asked
really
about
whether
those
travel
plan
vouchers,
if
you
like,
are
very
effective,
really
and
get
well
used.
B
Yeah
can
just
come,
come
back
on
that
yeah.
So
there's
the
the
travel
plan
and
the
residential
travel
plan
fund,
which
is
to
fund
particular
measures
like
bus
passes
and
the
car
club
and
so
on,
but
quite
separately.
There's
also
a
bit
around
public
transport
infrastructure,
so
we'll
be
looking
at
a
separate
from
or
contribution
towards
something
be
that
drt
or
a
bus
service
extension
in
any
event.
But
it's
not
still
an
area
of
exploration
with
wyka.
J
J
Was
because
the
junction's
quite
bad,
and
when
we're
spending
millions
as
a
council
on
the
e-law
road
and
the
developers
spending
millions
developing
this
area,
it
seems
a
bit
of
a
an
odd
argument
to
say
that
that
junction's
still
going
to
be
a
problem,
because
it
would
seem
to
me
that
this
is
a
stage
where
you
say
improve
the
junction.
Then,
and
it's
all,
it
is
a
bad
junction.
At
present
buses
going
down
there
would
make
that
worse
most
likely.
J
J
But
I
wonder
where
you
know
to
be
colloquial
my
constituents
on
bramley
fields,
further
down
you're
telling
them
they've
got
to
go
north
to
come
south
because
you're
closing
a
route
that
they'd
ordinarily
take.
So
I
think,
by
whatever
a
comment
from
me,
chair,
I'd,
say:
if
you're
going
to
look
at
anything
in
terms
of
highways,
you've
missed
an
opportunity
to
actually
look
at
how
you
can
widen
junctions
etc
and
make
that
whole
crossroads
work
better
and
keep
it
open
for
those
who
do
want
to
use
it.
B
You
chair:
yes,
it's
probably
something
sort
of
expanded
on
further.
So
whilst
that
closure
point
is
related
to
the
northern
quadrant
consent,
it's
a
it's
a
valid
point
in
relation
to
this
application
on
red
hall,
and
that
may
well
be
happening
ahead
of
northern
quadrant,
because
obviously,
that
closure
is
related
to
the
northern
quadrant.
So
there
is
a
discussion
on
going
around
wall
with
the
crossroads
as
it
is.
What
might
potentially
need
to
be
done
to
improve
that
junction?
B
So
I
think
that's
an
open
area
of
discussion
that
we're
having
with
the
developers
so
at
the
moment,
they're
not
proposing
anything,
but
that's
something
we
said
well.
Potentially
that
closure
doesn't
happen
this
whole
quite
a
way
down
the
line.
So
what
happens
in
the
meantime
to
make
that
as
safe
as
possible?.
J
And
my
further
comment
regarding
buses:
if
I'm
not
sure,
I
particularly
see
the
need
for
buses
to
go
through
this
debt,
for
the
points
that
counts
are
land
made.
I
think
there's
also
amenities
on
wetherby
road
that
people
could
use
if
needed.
I
would
question:
we've
got
quite
a
lot
of
flats
there's
no
coming
on
to
housing
mix
afterwards,
but
I
think
the
argument
was
being
made
that
that's
a
maybe
an
older
population.
J
It
would
require
the
buses
require
the
amenities
well
have
we
looked,
therefore
about
putting
immunities
into
the
development
as
another
alternative,
and
that
might
be
something
to
explore
and
and
just
think
on,
the
buses.
A
comment
that
you
might
want
to
go
away
and
think
about
is
if
whether
a
bus
turn
around
area
might
be
more
sufficient.
J
So
actually
you
punk
one
bus
stop
in
the
middle
of
the
estate
on
the
entrance
to
up
to
red
hall,
so
a
bus
can
turn
come
in
and
turn
around
and
go
back
out
rather
than
go
right
through
that
the
development
I
don't
necessarily
require
answers
if
you've
got
a
notepad
but
you're
going
to
go
and
discuss
other
things.
You
can
put
on
it.
I
On
the
the
spy,
I
don't
like
the
idea
of
a
spine
road
and
the
more
we
talked
about
it,
the
the
less
I
like
it.
I
think
it's
unnecessary
for
a
number
of
reasons,
and
my
concern
about
is
probably
less
the
rat
running
opportunity,
more,
the
speed,
opportunity
and
council
of
bithell
eluded
to
it
that
I
can't
see
where
people
would
wrap
run
to
and
from
given
it's
bounded
by
weatherby
road,
a
lovely
new
link
road
and
the
ring
road.
It's
difficult
to
see
too
many
circumstances
where
you'd
think.
I
Well,
that's
going
to
save
me
time
getting
where
I
want
to
go
equally,
I
strongly
the
justification
for
having
it
as
a
bus
route
and
I'd
like
to
see
the
connectivity
more
within
the
site
and
have
that
broken
up
rather
than
one
big
straight
straight
route.
I
don't
think
it's
it's
necessary,
or
I
know
that
the
points
you
made
personally
subjective
thing.
I
don't
think
it's
particularly
attractive
to
to
the
development.
I
On
the
other
issues,
I
would
like
to
see
some
movement
on
the
housing
mix,
as
suggested
by
officers
and
the
other
area.
I
would
like
to
see
some
change
changes,
probably
to
create
more
of
a
buffer
around
red
hall
to
the
western
side
in
the
same
way
as
it's
been
created
on
the
on
the
eastern
side,
and
so
I
think
that
would
be
the
key
points
for
me
at
this
stage.
A
Can
I
now
invite
david
to
some
somehow,
please.
L
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
I
think
my
understanding
from
the
general
feeling
from
members
is
really
one
not
necessarily
to
encourage,
because
of
concerns
about
speed
and
volume
of
traffic
going
through
the
development,
so
not
to
encourage
this
a
bus
route
through
through
the
site
along
the
spine
road.
L
So
we
will
take
that
away
picked
up
on.
So
that's
in
respect
of
question
number.
One
respect
to
question
number
two:
do
members
have
any
comments
to
make
in
respect
to
conservation
matters?
Well,
the
main
comment
which
has
come
through
council
lamb
has
just
made
in
respect
of
requiring
more
of
a
buffer
to
the
west
side
of
the
red
hall
listed
buildings
on
that
point.
So,
in
respect
to
question
three
which
deals
with
members,
observations
and
housing
provision,
the
main
point
is
to
revisit
the
issue
about
housing,
housing
mix.
A
A
B
Thank
you
chair.
I
referred
earlier
to
the
east
east
extension
diagram,
so
I
won't
go
through
all
of
that
again
and
but,
as
I
mentioned
before,
this
particular
pre-op
proposal
relates
to
the
the
far
western
portion
of
the
northern
quadrants
and
relates
to
a
pre-application
proposal
for
423
dwellings.
B
I'll
just
move
it
on
again
to
the
the
master
plan,
so
this
was
the
master
plan
in
the
outline
consent,
but
worth
just
giving
you
a
very
broad
overview
of
the
of
the
northern
quadrant.
Obviously,
this
application
actually
came
in
quite
some
time
ago,
before
e-law
was
pursued
by
the
council
and
ultimately
delivered
and
as
part
of
that
scheme.
B
B
The
link
between
all
of
those
is
the
dark
gray,
which
is
the
spine
road
which
links
the
the
elo
junction,
where
we
parked
this
morning
on
the
site
visit
and
that
links
all
the
way
eastwards,
along
to
skelton's
lane
across
to
the
skeleton
lane
junction
with
eloh
and
then
down
southwards,
to
the
york
road
junction
and
there's
also
a
spur
off
which
will
connect
through
to
the
grimes
direct
site.
B
B
So
there
are
a
number
of
plans
which
have
been
submitted
by
the
developers
to
the
council,
which
broadly
occurred
with
those
principles,
which
is
what
the
requirement
is,
and
so
it's
probably
now
a
good
opportunity
really
to
hand
over
to
the
developer
team
to
give
their
presentation.
O
Thank
you.
Should
we
introduce
ourselves?
First
of
all,
I'm
matthew
gregg.
I
work
for
litchfields
and
working
on
behalf
of
mr
simmons
homes,
west
yorkshire,.
D
And
adam
jackson,
planning
manager
of
similar
homes.
O
Thank
you,
so
yeah
we'll
give
you
a
bit
of
a
an
overview
of
phase
a
of
north
quadrant
this
afternoon
and
we're
going
to
go
through
the
layout
a
little
bit
we're
going
to
zoom
in
and
then
zoom
out.
These
are
still
working
progress
plans,
so
you
know,
there's
still
some
things
that
we
can
do
and
some
things
we
can
add
to
based
on
feedback
today
and
also
feedback
from
the
consultation.
O
That's
currently
ongoing,
we'll
go
through
some
of
the
design
and
policy
considerations
that
we're
taking
into
account
and
we'll
give
you
some
initial
feedback
on
the
public
consultation
as
well
that
we've
been
carrying
out.
O
So
the
site,
as
you
know,
is
bound
by
weatherby
road
to
the
west
red
hall
lane
on
the
south
and
the
e-law
on
the
north,
and
it
does
straddle
coal
road.
O
And
what
we're
trying
to
do
here,
you
mentioned
about
sense
of
place.
You
know
the
site
entrance
here
from
e-law.
You
know
it's
it's!
It's
very
we're
trying
to
make
it
very
clear
that
this
is
the
entrance
to
the
site
clear
about
the
street
street
hierarchy.
It's
a
public
transport
route.
It's
a
net!
O
It's
wide
enough
for
buses
to
go
down,
it's
integrated
into
the
e-law,
so
for
pedestrians,
cyclists
and
vehicles,
it's
safety,
overlooking
we've
got
some
apartment
blocks
situated
around
this
entrance
area
here,
which
are
about
three
stories
high
and
they
give
a
sense
of
arrival
with
spaces
in
front
set
back
from
the
road
with
car
parking
behind
and
when
you
arrive,
the
idea
is
that
you
can
see
clearly
where
you're
going
to
be
going
along
the
spine
road,
but
you
can
also
look
to
your
right
with
connections
to
the
south
towards
red
hall,
lane
reaching
connections
for
both
pedestrians
and
cyclists,
off-road
cycling
provision.
O
So,
along
the
spine
mode
itself,
the
design
reflects
the
fact
that
we've
got
higher
order
street
here,
so
there
will
be
a
little
bit
more
activity
compared
to
some
of
the
the
quieter
streets
to
the
side.
We're
looking,
therefore,
to
set
back
some
of
the
houses
and
some
of
the
small
apartment
blocks
from
the
street.
O
There'll
be
limited,
private
accesses
off
the
spine
road.
There
will
obviously
be
some,
but
you
know
where
car
parking
is
needed.
That's
that's
to
the
rear
of
the
buildings,
and
we've
got
well-defined
front
garden
boundaries
as
well
along
the
spine
road
and,
in
fact,
throughout
the
whole
of
the
development.
O
O
But
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
trying
to
connect
habitat
features,
landscape
features
and
public
open
spaces.
Together,
you
know
across
the
side,
so
coherent
framework,
echoing
the
outline
application
and
the
principles
set
down
there,
we're
connecting
these
features
with
tree-lined
streets
and
green
corridors.
So
one
of
those
features
is
cole
park.
O
It's
a
informal
open
space.
We
haven't
fully
decided
exactly
what
it
might
be,
but
you
know
could
be
some
seating
areas
there,
because
it's
on
the
spine
road,
it's
overlooked
by
passing
traffic
and
then
by
passing,
cyclists
and
pedestrians.
It's
also
overlooked
by
the
houses
as
well,
and
it's
south
facing.
O
And
then
we've
got
some
open
space
indicated
there
as
well
to
the
north
of
the
the
map
just
between
the
houses
and
the
e-law
and
yeah
we're
conscious
of
the
fact
that
this
is
right
on
the
edge
of
of
the
city.
The
countryside
is
beyond
e-law
and
you
know
we
want
to
soften
that
transition
from
suburbia
into
the
countryside,
so
slightly
lower
density
and
I'll
come
on
to
character
in
a
few
moments.
O
O
It's
immediately
accessible
from
the
spine
mode,
so
we're
proposing
to
retain
the
hedgerow
from
the
spine
load
down
to
that
whole
lane,
which
is
there
currently
on
the
trees
as
well,
and
then
to
create
an
off-road
cycle
pathway
from
the
spine
road
down
to
providence
park
and
also
make
it
accessible
to
the
east
where
the
primary
school
is
proposed.
O
We've
also
got
an
additional
open
space
there
near
the
primary
school,
which
will
also
be
well
connected
to
providence
park
itself,
so
it
all
sort
of
serve
yeah.
That's
it
it'll
serve
as
a
as
a
focal
point
for
the
development.
O
It's
well
overlooked:
it's
it's!
It's
visible
from
the
spine
road
and
it's
visible
from
red
hall
lane
as
well.
So
this
is
a
residence
to
the
south.
You
know
it's.
It's
meant
to
be
a
good
focal
point,
so
red
hull
lane
proposing
to
retain
the
hedge
row
along
red
hall
lane
and
the
trees,
and
when
we
met
with
ward
members
in
february,
one
of
the
key
points
was:
we've
got
to
have
good,
footpath
and
cycle
links
from
the
site
into
red
hall
lane
to
the
south.
O
So
we've
got
several
of
those
from
the
the
end
of
the
roads
there
and
the
only
vehicle
access
is
from
his
call
load,
which
is
now
just
off
the
picture.
So
you
know,
red
hole
lanes
should
be
a
little
bit
quieter
and
it
should
be
quite
a
pleasant
environment.
There.
O
So
bring
it
all
together,
it's
well
connected
we're
proposing
to
in
line
with
the
outline
proposals.
We've
got
the
spine
mode
through
the
middle.
It's
well
connected
open
spaces
throughout,
and
you
know
we're
looking
at
a
range
of
one,
two.
Three
and
four
bedroom
houses
you'll
see
in
in
the
report,
the
proposed
mix-
and
you
know
clear
street
hierarchy
and
several
cyclone
footpath
collections
throughout
looking
at
some
other
design
and
policy
considerations.
O
It
was
the
idea
that
you
would
have
different
character
areas
and
the
idea
you
know
it's
supposed
to
enhance
the
positive
character
of
the
existing
area,
the
housing
to
the
south
and
to
help
maintain
the
character
of
the
wider
landscape
in
which
it
sits.
So
you
know
I've
got
the
e-law
there
now,
but
you
know
it
is
on
the
edge
of
the
city,
so
we're
very
conscious
of
the
fact
that
you've
got
this
existing
houses
to
the
south.
We
want
to
mirror
those
to
some
extent.
O
We've
got
the
spine
road
down
the
middle,
so
there's
an
opportunity
to
do
something
a
little
bit
more
contemporary,
perhaps
and
then
perhaps
a
little
bit
different,
and
then
we've
got
the
rural
edge
to
the
north.
So
just
to
give
you
a
flavor
of
what
that
will
look
like
what
could
look
like
on
the
plan.
O
We've
got
some
you
know:
selection
we've
got
barnwood
contemporary,
we're
there
there's
a
couple
of
those
near
the
entrance
area,
just
off
coal,
I've
just
off
spy,
the
spine
road
and
looking
over
coal
road
as
well,
but
marsden
master
contemporary
again
just
off
the
spine
road,
but
not
actually
on
it
itself
and
and
the
others
speak
for
themselves.
You've
got
the
galloway
rural
and
the
the
nebraska
rural
buff,
brick,
and
you
know
good.
O
You
know
mix
of
materials
there
to
sort
of
mix
it
up
throughout
the
site
and
the
galloway
and
the
saunten
are
more
traditional
a
little
bit
more
traditional
with
you
know
some
more
red
brick,
which
you
know
in
the
context
of
the
wider
housing
to
the
south.
I
think
you
know
we
think,
would
work
quite
well.
O
O
You
know
where
we
can
and
and
certainly
whether,
whether
adding
to
the
to
the
proposal
significantly-
and
I
won't
say
much
more
on
that
so
affordable
and
accessible
housing
policy
compliant
15,
affordable
housing,
60,
40,
split
and
accessible
housing,
as
well
also
policy
compliant
proposing
to
have
the
accessible
and
adaptable
standards
and
wheelchair
user
dwellings
in
terms
of
sustainability,
we're
you
know
aiming
for
the
policy
compliance,
but
actually
you
know
trying
to
go
a
little
bit
beyond
that.
O
High
levels
of
insulation
and
filter
photovoltaic
solar
panels
and
electric
vehicle
charging
points
to
every
development
which
is
policy
compliant.
As
well-
and
you
know
introducing
tangible
ecological
enhancements
as
well
and
then
trying
to
you
know,
work
towards
you
know:
enhancing
the
wildlife
throughout
the
site,
so
just
to
touch
upon
some
of
the
consultation
that
we've
done
so
far.
We
did
a
drop-in
exhibition
last
wednesday,
which
was
very
well
attended.
A
Yep,
can
I
ask
the
speaker
to
wrap
you
up.
Please.
O
Yeah
I'll
wrap
it
up.
That's
absolutely
fine,
so
we've
got
a
website
dedicated
website.
We've
got
currently
over
500
visitors
and
it's
some
positive
things.
People
are
saying,
but
else
you
know
some
some
concerns
as
well,
understandably,
which
I
think
andrew
distributed
to
members
yesterday.
I
think
you
know
a
few
points
on
those,
so
we
can
discuss
those
shortly.
Thank
you.
O
I
Yeah,
thank
you
chat.
You'll,
be
pleased.
Now
I've
got
a
counter
anderson
style
list
of
questions,
so
I'll
I'll
just
go
through
them
all
and
then,
and
so
it's
starting
where
you
started
on
the
feature
on
the
on
the
entrance
from
e-law
at
the
roundabout.
I
It's
got
it's
a
minor,
relatively
minor
thing,
but
it's
got
the
feel
of
somewhere
where
the
residents
at
some
point
will
ask
for
a
gateway
feature,
and
I
wonder
if
it's
something
you
might
consider
either
putting
a
provision
in
for
the
residents
to
work
on
once
they're
in
in
place
or
for
something
that
you
could
it
just
has
the
feel
that
it
could
do
with
some
something
at
the
the
entrance.
I
Just
looking
at
the
layout,
I
had
some
concerns
about
on-street
parking
and
if
you
could
talk
about
that
and
refuse
collection
as
well
just
thinking
of
issues
we
often
come
across
on
the
southern
boundary,
it
feels
a
bit
close
to
the
to.
I
know
there's
a
there's
a
buffer
strip
from
the
site
visit,
but
I
just
wonder
if
you
comment
on
sound
pollution
and
air
quality
from
e-law
itself
for
those
people
on
the
southern
boundary.
I
Again,
if
you
could
talk
a
bit
more
about
the
accessible
green
space,
because
the
lovely
pictures
of
the
playground
and
the
child
didn't
quite
seem
to
match
what
was
proposed
in
the
in
the
development,
so
it'd
be
useful
to
know
a
bit
more
detail
about
what
the
actual
accessible
green
space
will
look
like
and
then
I'd
be
grateful
for
your
comments
on
the
proposal
to
close
red
hall
lane,
which
I
have
some
concerns
about,
so
be
useful
to
know
where,
where
you
are
on
that.
So
that's
completes
my
list
chair.
O
Yeah
yeah
yeah.
We
certainly
consider
you
know
the
gateway
feature
idea.
I
think
it's
really
good
idea,
and
you
know
we
can
can
be
something
that's
you
know
done
as
part
of
the
once
the
development
is
up
and
running,
or
you
know,
once
we
get
residents
moving
in
and
it
can
be.
O
You
know
a
good
thing
to
do
in
terms
of
on-street
parking
yeah
I
mean
looking
at
where
there
is
car
parking
to
the
rear
of
the
apartments,
and
you
know
where
there's
car
parking
there's
a
every
dwelling
will
have
the
car
parking
so
we'll
have
car
parking
spaces
and
they'll,
be
you
know,
set
to
to
the
side
of
the
dwellings
where
possible.
G
I
think
we've
done
our
best
through
the
design
to
try.
G
Run
and
therefore
on
the
street
parking
as
far
as
we
can
as
matt
sort
of
touched
on
during
the
presentation
we've
tried
to
in
certain
areas,
direct
traffic
off
this
main
spine
road
and
have
the
parking
available
around
the
side
rather
than
to
the
front
and
to
the
rear,
sorry
of
dwellings.
Where
possible.
G
So
yeah
I
mean
it's
all
going
to
be
policy
compliant,
but
we
have
tried
tried
where
possible,
to
reduce
on
street
park
and
to
avoid
that
view
of
cars
sort
of
fronting
onto
onto
the
onto
the
highways.
So
that
is,
that
is
part
of
the
design
and
obviously,
that
can
be
considered
through
the
application.
O
Yeah
and
in
terms
of
the
southern
boundary
being
too
close
to
the
lord
presumably
mean
that
the
northern
banjo,
being
too
close
to
the
law
and
about
noise,
yeah
yeah,
I
mean
for
sure,
we've
we've
been
working
with
noise
consultant.
You
know
as
part
of
the
reserve
matters.
You
know
to
check
that
you
know
we're
in
line
with
the
outline
and
what
was
done
at
the
outline
and
whether
there
isn't
you
know
any
need
to
tweak
that
order
to
do
any
more
work.
So
you
know
we'll
report
back
on
that.
O
We'll
take
that
particular
point
about.
You
know:
noise
from
the
e-law
for
residents,
along
that
northern
boundary
yeah
the
accessible
green
space.
Do
you
mean
that
the
picture
of
the
girl
playing
on
on
the
swings?
Is
that
right,
yeah
yeah?
I
mean
that's
supposed
to
there's
a
generic
photo,
but
it'll
be
a
a
leap.
You
know
local
equipped
area
play.
So
as
part
of
that,
I
think
there
will
be
some
accessible
play.
O
You
know
designed
as
part
of
it
and
it'll
be.
You
know
well
designed
in
fenced
around
playground.
You
know
which
is
meant
for
the
size
of
the
development
that
this
is
going
to
be.
You
know
to
serve,
you
know,
400
dwellings
or
so
so,
yeah
accessible
green
space
in
terms
of
cycle
ways
and
footways.
O
The
ideas
that
providence
park
will
be
very
accessible
to
existing
and
new
residents,
and
then
you
asked
about
it
being
too
close
comments
too.
Close.
Look
at
that.
Yes
about
the
closure
of
that
whole
name.
Well,
we've
got
a
lot
of
comments.
You
know
like
last
week's
drop-in
event
on
that,
and
you
know
I
think
it
might
be
something
for
officers
to
to
comment
on
as
well.
I
mean
we,
we
understand,
there
are
potential
safety
issues
with
that
crossroads
there,
which
is
why
you
know
it's
proposed
to
be
closed
off.
O
O
Well,
the
idea
is
that
they
will
be
discouraged
from
doing
that,
because
it's
not
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
a
securities
route.
It's
not
going
to
be
easy
for
them,
but
I
think
there
is
some
money
to
be
set
aside
to
monitor
that
closure.
You
know
in
the
future,
but
I
think
officers
may
be
able
to
comment
on
that
in
more.
A
Detail
I'll
ask
andrew
to
comment
as
well.
If
that's
okay,.
B
I
can
just
maybe
assist
with
that
point
from
the
perspective
of
the
outline
consent
and,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
outline
consent
has
a
condition
in
requiring
the
the
closure
of
red
hall
lane
at
its
point
with
weatherby
road,
and
but
it
was
recognized
at
the
time
when
this
has
been
debated
many
times
before
at
the
consultative
forum
and
that
plans
panel,
and
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
there
are
a
mixture
of
views
and
there
are
yeah.
There's
some
people
who
see
the
benefits.
B
There
are
many
people
who
don't
think
actually
it
will
make
life
more
difficult
and
potentially
could
give
rise
to
rat
running
elsewhere,
there's
a
very
called
windmill
gardens
which
connects
a
number
of
roads
down
to
the
ring
road.
And
again
it
comes
back
to
this
point.
We
don't
we
don't
know
what
the
effects
are
until
the
ela
is
open.
B
So
there's
some
uncertainty,
but
ultimately
the
that
closure
is
is
off
the
back
of
the
outline
consent,
but
there's
a
pot
of
money
also
in
the
106
there
to
deal
with
any
other
unforeseen
traffic
impact.
B
So,
although
that
that
measure
is,
is
proposed
to
go
in
at
a
point
in
time
and
several
things
could
happen,
one
is
it's
either
the
developer
says
this:
this
won't
work,
we
don't
think
it
needs
to
be
done,
and
then
they
put
a
case
to
highways
and
highways
say:
yes,
we
agree,
don't
do
that
or
the
developers
could
come
forward
with
a
scheme.
B
The
council
proposed
pursues
that
and
again
it
works
out
that
it's
not
worth
doing
or
it
goes
ahead
it
gets
put
in,
but
then
there's
some
money
to
then
take
it
out
if
it
causes
more
problems
than
it
than
it
solves.
So
there
is
some
flexibility
there
for
future
outcomes,
but
it's
but
it's
it's
something
of
a
separate
matter
to
the
pre,
their
pre-application
proposal
at
this
stage,
but
it
is
obviously
something
that's
been
covered
on
the
outline
does
that
help.
I
H
Thank
you.
Mine
also
is
on
the
green
space.
Much
as
a
lot
of
the
development
has
green
color
on
it.
Not
much
of
it
is
actually
utilizable,
but
in
this
sort
of
a
situation
it
does
feel
like
there's
the
opportunity
for
you
to
be
quite
creative
with
the
way
it's
used.
I
actually
don't
really
rate.
H
I
know
your
answer
back
was
about
putting
a
fenced
playground
in
and
I
don't
really
necessarily
rate
that
in
the
sense
that
it
doesn't
actually
provide
any
creativity,
opportunities
for
children
and
there
are
inherently
accessibility
and
inclusion
issues
around
it.
Even
when
you
get
the
inclusive
equipment,
so
it
would
be
good
to
see
whether
you'd
be
able
to
consider,
or
rather
can
you
consider
putting
in
some
stuff
that
is
more
creativity-based,
and
I
also
wondered
whether
you'd
considered
in
the
woodland,
the
e-lord
woodland.
H
Obviously
that's
a
really
great
buffer,
but
actually
there
are
a
lot
of
children
who
really
actually
love
roads
not
to
play
on
that's
important,
but
certainly
for
my
kids.
If
they're
stressed
and
I
take
them
and
they
watch
the
cars
and
the
buses-
that's
actually
really
calming
and
something
they
get
quite
a
lot
of
pleasure
from
so
actually
whether
you
could
be
creative
in
putting
benches
in.
H
My
questions
about
waste
recovery,
the
sustainability
slide
sort
of
showed
that
as
a
list
of
things,
ways
in
which
you
were
really
putting
effort
into
sustainability-
and
I
wondered
actually
if
you've
considered
and
then
why
they've
been
rejected
anything
a
bit
more
like
water
butts,
were
I
had
those
as
a
kid
like
there's
more
that
can
be
done
on
waste
water
in
terms
of
toilets,
can
use
grey
water,
there's
a
whole
load
of
things,
in
fact,
in
housing
that
can
be
done
to
really
effectively
utilize
grey
water
and
then
my
other
one's
on
highway.
O
Thank
you.
Yeah
we've
had
design
team
meetings
everywhere.
We've
talked
about
the
potential
to
do
something
creative,
you
know
with
the
the
open
spaces
and
the
play
park
it
sort
of
that
informal,
but
also
formal
wild
adventure
play
that
could
be
done.
You
know,
we've
got
the
long
haul
road,
the
retention
of
the
hedgerows
and
the
trees
there,
and
you
know
we
talked
about
having
some
sort
of
route
that
was
like
a
play
area
route.
You
know
for
for
adventure
play
or
something
like
that
so
yeah
for
sure.
O
We
can
consider
that
and,
as
I
said
earlier,
you
know
we're
working
on
the
landscape
proposals
currently,
so
you
know
we
can
take
that
back
and
put
that
suggestion
forward
and
likewise
for
the
the
woodland
open
space
and
whether
there's
any
chance
there
to
you
know
have
some
relationship
with
the
road.
You
know
with
the
e-law
and
have
you
know,
benches
and
places
to
sit
and
that
sort
of
thing
you
know
we'll
also
consider
that
as
well
and
then
waste
recovery,
wastewater,
grey,
water,
there's
anything
you
want
to
say
on
that
living
too.
D
Yeah,
I
think
it's
probably
worth
touching
on
building
wrecks.
So
as
we
stand
today
that
we've
got
the
car
strategy
policy,
which
requires
us
to
achieve
20,
less
co2
emissions
and
than
building
vegas
target
rate,
that's
kind
of
been
superseded
as
of
the
15th
of
june
and
we're
now
at
30
and
by
the
time
we
build
a
lot
of
this
site,
it's
probably
going
to
post
2025,
so
we're
going
to
be
into
future
home
standards
and
whatever
that
may
be.
D
So
I
think,
there's
probably
going
gonna
be
a
lot
that
will
happen
additional
to
what
you
see
these
days,
that
we'll
have
to
do
anyway.
So
things
like
gray,
water
recycling,
things
will
inherently
be
part
of
the
scheme,
because
they'll
have
to
be
so.
Those
measures
will
be
in
there.
I
appreciate
water,
but
it
seems
quite
sort
of
an
archaic
thing
to
do
and
quite
simple,
but
I
think
the
feedback
we've
had
for
members
so
far
is
actually
that
that
is
quite
a
positive
thing
to
do.
So.
D
That's
why
it's
on
there,
but
if
there
are
things
we
can
include,
if
we
have
a
specific
sort
of
requests,
we
can
look
at
that
now,
but
a
lot
of
the
stuff
will
be
building
of
ex
requirements
by
the
time
I
get
to
it
anyway.
H
A
K
Thank
you
chair,
just
a
a
a
really
just
a
thought,
but
you've
got
some
really
nice
open
green
spaces
here,
which
is,
is
actually
quite
nice
to
see.
You
know
it's
a
large
estate.
K
However,
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
any
kind
of
community
space
there,
I'm
not
thinking
of
a
community
center,
but
going
back
to
the
green
spaces.
Would
you
consider
slotting
in
some
kind
of
area,
to
grow
your
own?
I'm
not
saying
a
huge
green,
a
huge
allotment
place
or
anything
like
that,
but
is
there?
K
Is
there
perhaps
some
scope
where
you
could
you
could
fit
in
some
raised
beds
where
the
community
could
grow
their
own
and
come
together,
because
not
everybody
will
have
a
large
garden,
certainly
not
in
the
apartment
buildings
and
the
people
who
have
the
younger
children
won't
want
that
time
and
pressure,
but
there
could
be
a
way
to
come
together
and
bring
the
community
and
and
really
sort
of
engage,
and
I
just
thought
that
was.
That
would
be
quite
a
nice
thing.
Thank
you.
O
Yes,
I
think
something
we
could.
You
know
certainly
consider,
and
you
know
it's
it's
so
it's
open
opportunity
for
that.
I
think
you
know
the
landscape
proposals
being
being
worked
on
at
the
moment.
A
F
Yeah
just
to
follow
on
that
I
mean
there's
no
sign
of
an
allotment
which
may
be
a
possibility
for
the
community
and
particularly
in
terms
of
like
growing
your
own
vegetables
and
with
climate
change
and
cost
of
living
and
so
on,
and
it
would
seem
that
there
could
be
more
trees
between
the
e-law
and
the
houses.
There's
just
a
few
dotted
around,
but
you
could
have
a
screen
of
trees
really,
and
that
might
you
know
might
be
helpful
for
everybody
and
also
when
you
mention
airtight
properties.
F
O
G
Point
the
first
portion
of
the
site
will
be
traditional
gas
boilers
moving
forward
as
building
rigs
change,
we'll
have
to
come
up
with
a
different
way
of
heating,
but
that
will
be
decided
in
future
because
we're
still
awaiting
the
consultation
results
of
the
future
homes.
P
So
in
terms
of
actually
serving
the
site,
the
first
part.
G
Part
of
the
site
will
be
served
on
gas,
but
going
forward
we're
not
sure
exactly
how
it's
going
to
be
done,
but
we
will
be
with
something
that
the
industry
is
looking
at.
Very
closely
could
be
through.
District
heating
could
be
through
heat
pumps,
but
that
hasn't
been
decided
as
yet.
J
Well,
thank
you,
chair
on
the
gateway
point
that
council
lamb
raised.
I
think
it's
a
good
idea,
but
I
also
wondered
why
so
you've
got
a
as
you
sweep
into
the
site.
J
You've
got
a
house
on
and
two
housing
angle
faces,
which
is
quite
a
nice
feature,
but
on
the
opposite
side,
it's
just
sort
of
like
the
square
edge
of
the
the
other
property,
and
I
wondered
why
more
hasn't
been
done
there
to
try
and
make
that
a
really
nice
gate
where,
as
you
come
in
almost
symmetrical
to
either
side
on
the
playing
field,
how
come
the
playground?
Sorry?
How
can
a
playground
so
far
away
from
the
proposed
school?
J
If
you
think
about
other
schools
in
that
facility,
the
playground's
normally
sort
of
adjacent
to
so
parents
can
use
either
side.
We've
got
at
the
other
side
of
the
field
to
the
school,
the
block
of
land,
that's
out
with
the
red
line.
Do
we
know
what's
happening
there?
J
D
D
So
the
location
of
the
play
area
is
where
it
is
sort
of
shown
in
that
agreed,
open
space
strategy
and
the
land
which
sort
of
sits
to
the
east
of
colorado,
and
then
we've
got
the
open
space
where
the
primary
school
is.
That's
separate.
Land
ownership,
that's
owned
by
sam
smith's.
It's
not
part
of
the
outline
scheme
so
as
it
stands
that
will
be
left
in
its
current
state.
So
you'd
effectively
have
quite
a
substantial
area
of
green
space,
either
side
of
colorado
as
you
come
into
the
site.
O
I
think,
in
relation
to
your
question
about
whether
you
could
have
another
one
or
two
angled
apartments
at
the
entrance
area
on
the
northern
side
of
the
spine
road.
I
think
it
could
just
be
a
you
know,
a
practical
point
of
we're
not
proposing
that
many
apartments,
and
you
know
if
we
were
to
propose
more
apartments.
I
I
think
naturally,
that's
probably
where
they
would
go.
O
You
know
those
houses
on
the
north
and
side
of
the
coal
of
the
spine
road
as
you
enter
the
site
there
yeah
well
set
back
from
from
the
road.
At
that
point
there
so
yeah.
B
I
might
be
able
to
better
assist
with
that.
Yes,
so
the
school
is
secured
through
the
outline
consent
and
the
way
it
is
structured.
So
there's
two
things:
one
is
the
provision
of
land
and
currently
the
land
is,
is
owned
by
the
various
landowners
in
the
northern
quadrant.
So
you'll
see
from
the
red
line
boundary
on
this
scheme,
there's
a
there's,
a
there's,
a
purple
line
in
the
southeast
corner,
which
is
part
of
the
score
site.
But
the
score
is
not
to
be
delivered
through.
B
This
reserve
matters
that
purple
and
then
continues
eastwards
and
includes
an
area
found
in
the
next
ownership
and
so
in
the
106,
the
section
106
agreement-
and
I
think
it's
something
like
by
459
dwellings-
that
land
must
be
given
over
to
the
council
or
an
education
body
at
the
cost
of
a
pound
and
that's
been
retained,
for
I
think
it's
a
20
year
period.
So
there's
then
a
process
of
an
academy
developing
interest
and
then
wanted
to
bring
forward
a
school
separately.
B
To
all
of
that
is
then
the
the
funding
which
comes
from
the
the
development
itself
so
on
the
northern
quadrant.
There's,
as
I
say,
there's
a
there's,
a
number
of
different
owners
who
pay
different
amounts
at
different
points
in
time.
So
as
soon
as
development
starts
happening,
that
triggers,
I
think
it's
three
stage
triggers
of
those
funds
coming
in
which
total
five
million
pounds
towards
the
delivery
of
that
primary
school.
J
B
I
I
couldn't
give
you
a
year,
as
I
say
well,
I
can
link
that
to
is
the
is
the
numbers
of
dwellings
in
the
106
agreement,
which
was
the
459
dwellings.
I
think
so
it
depends
on
how
quickly
or
slowly
the
development
happens.
A
N
N
Yes-
and
I
spoke
to
people
when
I
was
there-
and
I
was
also
contacted
afterwards
and
that's
the
main
concern,
because
red
hall
lane
is
not
just
a
side
road,
it
could
be
classed
a
few
years
ago
as
a
main
road,
because
it
is
the
one
people
used
to
go
up
onto
wetherby
road
and
coming
off
a
wetherby
road
to
the
red
halls
and
down
to
the
birch
fields
in
skelton
lane.
N
So
I'd
like
to
know
how
you
propose
for
people
to
access
where
they
would
go
like
myself.
If
I
was
going
to
weatherbait
after
shadwell,
I'd
go
on
the
coal
road
and
I'd
go
left
up
red
hall
lane
automatically
and
that's
where
you
would
go.
And
yes,
there
has
been
a
lot
of
traffic
there
with
our
traffic
lights
without
hold
up
because
of
the
work
for
the
spine
road
lower
down
outside
of
the
wellington,
where
there's
been
cues
and
directions
and
everything-
and
I
think
it's
wonderful.
N
N
N
And
I
think
it's
something
that
needs
to
be
addressed
and
there's
just
no
reason
to
close
red
hall
laying
off?
If
it
was,
we
could
have
traffic
lights
if
we're
saying
that
there's
a
lot
of
traffic
going
there,
but
what
it
will
cause-
and
this
was
raised
several
times
so
going
up
red
hall
lane-
you
go
left
and
win
more
gardens
and
then,
if
you
wanted
to
get
out
to
wetherby
road
at
the
ring,
road
you'd
come
out
at
ringwood
avenue
by
the
shops.
N
So
that's
creating
the
right
run
across
there
as
well,
and
traffic
will
go
and
coming
back
in
that
way
right
into
ringwood
avenue
off
weatherby
road,
vice
versa.
So-
and
that
was
the
main
issue-
and
I
bet
50
people
have
come
back
to
me
alone
regarding
that.
But
for
myself
I
know
that
it's
not
right
and
it's
not
needed
the
red
door
lane
to
be
closed,
not.
J
At
end,
that's
coming
so
school's
gonna
come
at
some
point
at
the
end
of
skeleton's
lane,
that's
got
to
serve.
I
believe,
all
of
this
new
development
at
the
top
end,
including
red
halls.
So
would
you
agree
that
it
will
be
crucial
for
residents
of
the
new
red
hall
development
to
be
able
to
travel
along
the
length
of
the
red
hall
lane
to
the
new
school
as
opposed
to
having
to
go
all
the
way
up
around
the
law
and
through
the
estate
to
get
to
the
private
school?
J
N
When
you
say
red
hall,
you
mean
the
new
the
new
building,
because
brett
hall
is
the
other
side
of
the
road.
Yes
and
the
school
windmill
sent
polls
that
was
built
after
all
of
the
houses
were
built
and
everything.
So
they
don't
look
at
building
the
school
first,
but
obviously
people
need
to
access
it
and
retire.
Lane
would
be
the
way
you
would
automatically
go
if
you
were
coming
further
afield.
That
way.
I
Yeah,
thank
you.
It's
possibly
more
a
question
for
officers,
but
councillor
grey
might
have
a
view
as
well.
If
I
understand
correctly,
the
closure
was
agreed
as
part
of
the
outline
consent.
So
what
is
the
technical
way
that
we
can
unpick
that
now?
I
If
we
think
it's
it's
my
personal
viewers,
it's
a
terrible
idea
to
close
it.
I
think
there'll
certainly
be
some
impact
from
the
development,
but
it'd
be
better
to
have
a
pot
of
money
to
see
what
the
impact
is
and
then
let
ward
members
and
highways
officers
work
on
what
the
right
solution
is.
Rather
than
having
a
pot
of
money
to
unpick
that
the
fact
we've
agreed
a
pot
of
money
to
potentially
unpick.
It
suggests
that
no
one's
terribly
confident
it's
a
good
idea
in
the
first
place.
N
Thank
you
chair.
Well,
regarding
closing
red
hall
lane
from
the
word
go,
I've
always
objected
to
it
objected
and
put
those
points
forward,
and
then
I
wasn't
aware
that
it
had
been
agreed.
The
outline
but
andrew
did
mention
about
this
pot
of
money
and
obviously
my
previous
colleague
peter
grew,
and
he
was
more
involved
with
the
planning
side
and
he
raised
it
as
regarding
that.
But
why
would
you
want
to
like
counsellum
said?
Why
would
we
want
to
close
it
and
then
say?
Oh
well,
we've
got
some
money
set
aside
in
case.
B
Yes,
I
suppose
it's
from
the
from
where
we
are
today
because
we're
looking
back
on
an
application-
that's
been
around
for
for
10
years,
but
you're
quite
right.
The
context
of
those
we've
got
the
red
hall
application
as
well
at
the
same
time-
and
there
is
a
question
mark
around:
what's
the
dynamic
in
terms
of
highways
and
its
interaction
with
whether
it
be
road
and
red
hallway
in
there,
and
we
don't
have
a
solution
yet
on
how
that
potentially
works.
B
So
that's
one
thing
to
bear
in
so
it
might
be
that
if,
if
there's
an
approval
on
red
hull
and
development
is
underway,
there's
a
highway
scheme
which
deals
with
matters
around
that
junction,
and
it
might
well
be
that
in
the
future,
when
it
comes
to
the
northern
quadrant
developers,
discharging
that
condition
they
can
point
to
that's
well.
Actually
all
these
issues
were
resolved
off
the
back
of
the
red
hall
application,
for
instance,
and
therefore
there
will
be
no
need
for
that
point
closure.
B
So,
as
I
say,
the
condition
is
flexible
and
it
allows
consideration
at
a
point
in
time
for
a
developer,
to
make
representations
and
say
actually
we're
required
to
discharge
this
condition,
but
we
don't
think
it
needs
it
needs
this
closure
anymore
for
whatever
reason,
because
it'll
potentially
be
some
years
down
the
line.
Yeah.
The
worst
case
scenario
is,
as
a
scheme
goes
in
and
it's
as
I
understand
it,
pretty
simple
closure,
so
it
wouldn't
be.
It
wouldn't
take
an
awful
lot
of
money
so
then
undo
it.
B
C
I'm
not
got
a
lot
to
add,
apart
from
the
at
the
moment
for
the
red
hole
development
we're
seeing
that
we
need
a
scheme
to
improve
that
junction
they're,
not
proposing
any
changes
to
the
junction,
as
is
at
the
moment.
So
that
is
something
that
we
are
in
discussions
with
redraw
on,
but
and
so
any
scheme
that
they
come
forward
with
needs
to
really
be
designed
for
the
crossroads,
as
is,
but
with
the
potential
that
if
then,
the
closure
is
regarded
as
required.
That
could
be
relatively
easily
achieved
without
a
lot
more
disruption.
A
I
Okay,
well,
it's
on
the
same
point
to
start
with,
which
is,
I
know,
everything
that
you've
said.
But
what
is
the
technical
options
for
this
panel
today
to
unpick
the
previous,
because,
as
things
stand,
what
you've
described
is
lots
of
if
spots
are
maybes,
but
it
is
the
position
that
the
outlying
consent
is
to
close.
That
road
and
my
view
for
the
share,
is
that's
a
mistake.
So
it's
what
options
do
we
have
in
terms
of
giving
a
steer
to
to
unpick
that.
B
Terms
of
the
item
before
members
today,
it's
specifically
a
pre-application
presentation
for
a
reserve
matters
proposal,
so
that
would
be
a
different
application,
so
you'll
be
looking
at
all
of
these
matters
not
dealt
with
on
the
outline,
so
I
would
say
there
isn't
a
route
to
influence
that
decision
through
this
panel.
But
the
comments
are
noted
and
and
it's
something
that
we'll
discuss
in
the
future
through
the
consultative
development
on
all
of
these
applications
and
we
meet
regularly
to
discuss
these
matters.
B
J
L
Yeah
andrew
might
be
able
to
to
help
on
him,
and
I
think
the
issue,
the
the
point
we're
at
the
present
time
is
that
we've
got
a
resolution
from
city
plans
panel
to
to
grant
planning
permission
that
planning
permission.
Although
section
116
has
just
been
signed,
it
hasn't
actually
been
issued
as
yet,
but
will
be
issued
imminently
and
you're
right.
Once
we've
issued
the
planning
permission,
there
is
the
opportunity
there
if
the
developer
sees
fit
or
the
applicant
sees
fit
to
make
an
application
to
to
vary
or
remove
that
remove
that
condition.
L
B
A
I
I
think
just
a
couple
of
issues
and
it's
really
to
hope
to
aid
your
future
discussions,
so
one
is
on
sound
pollution
and
air
quality
and
I'd
certainly
be
looking
for
some
reassurance
and
some
more
work
on
particularly
sorry.
I've
got
my
north,
sometimes
mixed
up,
but
on
the
northern
boundary
with
e-law,
I
can
already
foresee
the
residents
complaining
about
the
lack
of
acoustic
screening
and
particulates,
and
so
on.
So
I'd
like
to
see
some
some
detail
about
that
and
equally
on
the
on-street
parking
issue.
I
raised.
K
B
J
Well,
thanks
jeff
a
comment
on
that
gateway
section.
I
hadn't
realized
that
the
the
angle
dwelling
was
actually
apartments
and
I
actually
think
that
would
be
personal
view
would
be
a
bad
move.
I
don't
think
a
big
block
of
apartments
coming
in
is
necessarily
would
be
a
very
attractive,
welcome,
gateway
feature
and
I
think,
within
that
little
sort
of
square,
you
could
quite
easily
rejig
that
around
so
you
have
a
very
attractive
pair
of
semis
as
a
entrance
feature.
J
That's
a
design
issue
and-
and
I
just
want
to-
as
I
did
in
the
previous
one
mark
on
record-
my
objection
to
the
closure
of
read
the
red
hole
junction
and
I
actually
think
the
problem
here
is
that
there
seems
a
bit
of
silo
working
and
the
council
are
waiting
for
the
developer
to
come
forward
and
the
developer
might
be
waiting
for
the
council
to
issue.
I
think
somebody
just
got
to
grasp
the
nettle
and
say
to
the
developer
the
well.
I
agree
with
council
ram.
J
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
panels.
I'll
just
say:
you've
heard
loud
and
clear
from
some
members
and
you've
heard
extremely
loudly
from
the
local
ward
councillor
councillor
graham
who's
represented
her
constituents
well
today
in
making
that
case,
and
I
think
some
needs
to
grasp
the
nettle
and
deal
with
that
and
bring
that
forward.
So
it's
it's.
It's
answered.
L
Yes,
thank
you
chair,
so
just
dealing
with
the
first
issue,
which
is
one
of
the
principles
in
respect
to
the
design
and
layout
number
of
comments
here,
but
they
primarily
rate
to
the
entrance
into
the
site
of
e-law
and
picking
up
on
what
council
stevenson
has
just
said
that
an
apartment
is
not
an
attractive
gateway
feature
that
we
ought
to
look
at
the
re
redesign
of
the
layout
of
that
little
bit
that
it
should
be
replaced
with
with
housing
that
the
design
should
also
on
the
northern
side
of
the
entrance
road
replicate,
what's
on
the
southern
side,
to
their
boats
face
out
so
that
we've
got
a
welcoming
feature
as
it
were,
but
also
that
the
scheme
should
make
allowance
for
a
future
introduction
of
a
gateway
feature
at
that
point
as
as
well.
L
But
that
may
be
in
consultation
with
the
residents
the
new
residents
in
terms
of
housing
provision.
We
haven't
had
any
general
comments
on
those,
but
I
know
the
comment
about
apartments
in
that
particular
location.
L
Landscaping,
which
is
question
number
three
council,
jenkins
and
others-
have
raised
the
issue
about
the
northern
boundary
to
e-law
and
the
need
to
strengthen
that
buffer
there
to
filter
fuse
through
may
also
help
with
matters
such
as
air
pollution
and
particulates.
L
So
we
will
go
away
and
have
a
look
at
that,
then,
in
terms
of
other
matters,
these
mainly
relate
to
the
open
space
that
it
be
that
the
open
spaces
should
be
accessible,
inclusive
and
include
creative
play
council
bethel's
point
about
the
woodland
design
it
so
that
all
youtube
the
designs
enable
it
to
be
utilized
for
informal
recreation
and
encourage
its
use,
and
also
a
couple
of
members
made
comment.
Council
smith
made
comment
about
the
provision
of
community
open
space.
Is
there
a
provision
here
for
say,
mini
scale,
allotments
or
grow
your
own
facility?
L
And
then
there's
the
general
comment,
which
was
made
at
the
end:
that,
in
light
of
what
the
ward
member
said
and
many
of
the
plans
panel,
members
about
the
red
hill
closure
to
note
that
and
to
take
those
views
forward,
the
opposition
to
red
hall,
lane
the
closure
red
hall
lane
and
to
open
that
up
to
a
wider
discussion.
But
we
certainly
noted
that.
A
A
Can
we
wait
till
next
item
or
shall
we
do
it
now
for
let's,
let's
let's
go
for
10
minutes,
then
yeah.
Let's
have
a
comfort
break
for
10
minutes
here.
Q
Q
Q
It's
important
to
stress
that
the
application
has
been
brought
to
panel
as
a
position
statement.
This
means
officers
are
not
making
a
recommendation
at
this
stage,
but
presenting
the
application
to
members
and
seeking
their
comments
on
the
key
planning
issues,
of
which
there
are
four.
Q
So
the
first
slide
shows
the
application
site
plus
wider
area.
You
can
see
it's
it's
just
to
the
east
of
the
city
centre,
with
quarry
house
to
the
north
and
leeds
bus
station
and
leeds
minster
to
the
west.
The
saxton
gardens
estate
lies
immediately
to
the
south.
I've
also
highlighted
bow
street
park
since
it's
a
good
example
of
green
space
in
the
local
area,
and
it
includes
a
skate
park,
multi-use
games,
area.
Q
Q
The
site
itself
includes
the
cleared
site
of
the
former
yorkshire
riders
sport
and
social
club,
which
is
this
building
here,
and
an
area
of
grassland
to
the
south
which
links
into
the
wider
green
space
just
to
be
clear.
The
area
to
the
south
of
the
energy
center
is
also
green
space,
but
at
the
time
this
area
was
taken,
it
was
used
as
the
site
compound
during
construction
of
the
energy
center
just
for
reference.
It's
it's.
This
area.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
This
is
a
3d
image
of
the
scheme.
Officers
consider
the
design
of
the
building
positive.
As
mentioned
it
is
orientated
north
south
to
follow
the
urban
grain
of
the
saxton
gardens
estate
at
the
varied
elevation
form
and
angles.
Add
interest
to
the
area
and
break
up
the
massing
and
bulk
of
the
building.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Furthermore,
the
applicant
has
submitted
evidence
based
on
the
council's
housing
growth
team's
demand
data,
which
identifies
that
68
one
bed
42
through
two
bed
and
thirty.
Two
three
bed
dwellings
are
needed
in
the
richmond
hill
area,
and
so
they
make
the
point
that
the
demand
is
being
met,
even
if
it
doesn't
comply
with
the
council's
preferred
mix.
Q
Q
In
terms
of
demonstrating
a
clear
relationship
to
improvements
in
existing
green
space
quality,
the
application
proposes
the
following:
the
flat
place.
Frontage,
which
is
shown
on
this
slide,
would
be
re-graded
to
create
a
gentle
slope
into
the
green
space
and
a
metal
knee
rail
will
be
installed
to
prevent
unauthorized
vehicular
access.
Q
Q
Q
The
proposal
includes
private
gardens
for
the
ground
floor
residents
and
a
communal
area
of
private
immunity
space
located
to
the
west
of
the
building
for
the
upper
floor
residents.
Planning
guidance
recommends
that
the
area
given
over
to
private
immunity
space
for
flats
should,
as
a
minimum,
equal
25
percent
of
the
total
gross
floor
area
of
the
building.
Q
Q
Q
Officers
have
asked
the
applicant
to
consider
balconies
and
or
a
roof.
Terrace
we've
been
told,
balconies
aren't
deliverable
due
to
costs
and
safety
concerns
unless
a
roof,
terrace
isn't
achievable
again
due
to
cost,
but
plus
the
roof
will
be
likely
given
over
to
solar
panels.
Q
The
scheme
has
been
revised
to
include
access
gates
which
would
allow
residents
easy
access
into
the
green
space,
which
could
then
be
used
for
recreation
purposes.
However,
there'd
be
no
change
in
the
private
immunity
space
provision
and
the
access
gates,
just
point
them
out,
are
at
the
end
of
the
car
park
and
would
lead
from
the
private
community
space
at
this
point
here.
Q
So
the
third
question
for
members
is:
do
you
consider
the
proposed
level
of
private
immunity
space
acceptable?
The
final
issue
is
that
there's
a
highways
objection.
Highways
team
have
no
concerns
with
the
parking
arrangements
or
vehicular
access,
but
do
want
to
see
further
measures
to
increase
pedestrian
connectivity.
Q
Specifically,
they
want
the
footpath
on
the
south
side
of
railway
street
to
be
extended
to
the
junction
with
eastfield
street,
so
I'll,
try
and
show
this
on
a
on
an
old
slide
yeah.
So
you
can
see
the
footpath
here.
This
is
what
the
developer
will
be
delivering.
You
can
see
it
ends
at
the
edge
of
the
site,
and
how
is
it
asking
that?
Q
That's
continued
and
extended
along
this
section
of
railway
street
to
the
point
here
where
it
would
then
connect
into
an
existing
footpath,
and
these
are
just
a
couple
of
photos
showing
where
the
footpath
would
run.
This
is
looking
towards
the
city
center,
so
it
would
run
up
to
here
and
again
again
looking
to
the
east
and
it
would
run
along
along
here.
Q
So
those
are
the
four
key
planning
issues
the
questions
can
be
found
at
the
end
of
my
report.
I
think
it's
page
one
one
sixty
or
one
at
106.,
sorry,
but
I'll
quickly,
repeat
them.
Do
members
wish
to
comment
on
the
proposed
housing
mix?
Q
Finally,
the
council
has
received
a
couple
of
letters
of
representation,
one
from
the
civic
trust
who
are
firmly
in
support
of
the
proposed
development
and
one
from
a
member
of
the
public
who
was
generally
supportive
but
had
concerns
around
the
traffic
impact
and
how
the
commuted
suns
would
be
spent.
But
no
major
objections
have
been
raised
by
residents
or
ward
members.
Thank
you.
A
A
R
Thank
you
chair,
rather
than
spent
four
minutes
going
over
what
john
has
already
gone
over,
and
we
think
we're
really
here
just
to
answer
questions
that
any
you
may
have
in
relation
to
the
four
points
that
john
has
raised
today.
A
I
Thank
you
chair.
My
first
question
is
just
to
get
an
understanding
of
why
it's
five
a
five-story
building
and
why
you
haven't
taken
the
opportunity
to
go
higher
given
what's
in
the
in
the
area?
Is
there
a
particular
reason
why
why
that's
the
size
of
the
building,
because
that
that
kind
of
then
links
into
views
on
the
on
the
other
issues?
We've
got
to
address.
R
Yeah,
certainly
the
the
brief
called
for
a
certain
quantum
of
development
on
the
site
which
we've
achieved.
R
We
wanted
to
keep
the
height
of
the
building
below
16.5
meters,
because
that
was
identified
as
the
height
at
which
the
the
the
emissions
from
the
flues
from
the
energy
center
start
to
wash
across
the
site
as
the
pirelli
winds
carry
them.
So
we
wanted
to
sit
below
that
height.
If
we
could
going
above,
that,
height
would
have
meant
mitigation
measures
such
as
air
conditioning
and
probably
not
using
natural
ventilation
for
upper
floor
flats.
R
I
Back
council
for
them,
yeah,
yes,
please!
Well!
The
reason
for
asking
is
my
understanding
is
that
the
lack
of
amenity
is
really
linked
to
funding
and
costing
so
my
question:
if
you
put
more
development
in,
does
that
mean
you
can
give
more
amenity
in
the
form
of
balconies
and
things
like
that
or
roof
terrace
I'm.
I
I
need
some
expert
advice
about
the
emissions
and
things,
but
I
know
enough
to
know
I
don't
think
there's
a
great
deal
of
emission
that
comes
out
of
that
kind
of
thing,
and
the
existing
residences
are
gonna,
be
taller
and
will
have
the
impact.
So
it's
just
really
to
understand.
If,
if
that's
all,
you
can
do
at
five
or
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
to
go
higher
and
therefore
give
a
better
quality
of
life
and
a
better
quality
of
build
to
all
the
residents
that
would
be
would
be
in.
I
It
would
also
address
the
the
issue
of
not
having
enough
three
bedrooms
and
and
so
on,.
R
Sure,
if
I
understand
correctly,
you're
saying
why
aren't
we
going
taller
and
making
the
footprint
smaller
to
get
more
immunity
space?
Is
that
what
you're
driving
at.
I
R
Thank
you,
yeah
yeah,
one
of
the
central
factors
is
in
in
not
including
balconies.
We
did
show
them
on
the
initial
feasibility
scheme
was
that
there's
there's
housing
management
issues
in
that,
in
the
sense
that
having
families
living
high
up
with
balconies,
you
know
it
creates
safety
issues
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
I
know
that
leads
new
york's
housing
association's
housing
management
team
were
not
keen
to
see
balconies
on
the
scheme
also
with
in
terms
of
putting
the
roof
terrace.
R
R
Whilst
they
are
relatively
small
because
of
the
energy,
the
energy
strategy
we
decided
to
go
with,
we
do
need
to
put
the
the
pv
cells
in
a
fairly
large
area
of
pv
cells
as
well
on
the
roof
in
order
to
mitigate
and
to
bring
us
all
within
the
threshold
that
we
need
to
be
to
meet
not
only
the
n1
requirements,
but
also
to
improve
the
energy
efficiency
of
the
building
as
well.
K
Thank
you
chair.
My
observation
is:
you've
got
some
some
lovely
ground
floor
units
each
with
a
private
garden,
so
surely
it
would
make
sense
for
all
of
those
to
be
three
bed
or
larger
family
homes.
K
K
If
we
continually
put
people
in
in
in
homes
that
are
unsuitable
for
them,
then
we
encourage
a
transient
lifestyle
and-
and
you
know,
we
we
as
a
city,
need
to
be
welcome
in
our
residence
and
making
sure
that
we're
giving
them
the
best
homes
that
we
can
possibly
give
them.
So
I'd
like
you
to
consider
turning
all
of
those
ground
floor
apartments
into
three
bed
family
homes,
please
thank.
R
Certainly,
if
you
look
at
the
floor
plans
of
the
building
and
the
way
the
building
is
actually
constructed
effectively.
What
we
have
is
we
have
party
walls
that
run
the
entire
height
of
the
building.
Effectively.
That's
the
most
efficient
way
to
construct
the
building.
The
three
bedroom
flats
generally
tend
to
be
larger,
obviously
larger
than
one
and
two
bedroom
flats.
R
So
if
we
put
all
the
three
bedroom
flats
at
ground
floor,
then
what
it
would
do,
we
would
send
the
party
walls
up
the
rest
of
the
building
and
then
we'd
end
up
with
space.
We
couldn't
really
use,
because
what
we
do
need
to
also
bear
in
mind
is
that
we
need
to
meet
the
ndss
space
standards,
so
we'd
have
a
flat.
We
would
have
flatter
ground
for
their
88
meters
square,
setting
their
structure
up
the
building
and
what
we
build
above
that
may
not
necessarily
fit
in
with
that
structural
grid.
R
That
the
ground
floor
is
then
dictated.
It
would
cause
a
lot
of
difficulties.
It
would
cause
a
lot
of
problems
in
terms
of
construction
as
well,
and
it
would
probably
add
costs
to
the
to
the
you
know
to
the
overall
budget
scheme
as
well.
So
it's
not
something
we
generally
tend
to
do.
We
it's
not
a
practical
solution.
Whilst,
yes,
it
makes
sense
in
terms
of
putting
the
flats
that
you
think
you'd
want
to
be
at
the
ground
floor.
K
Thank
you
chair,
so
we're
putting
it
in
the
too
difficult
box,
then,
because
I
feel
that
you
could
build
the
ground
floor.
Put
your
next
slab
up
and
then
start
restart
your
party
walls.
I
understand
it
will
be
a
little
bit
more
cost,
but
surely
creating
a
decent
home
has
got
to
be
the
priority,
rather
than
just
choosing
the
easy
option.
R
Yeah,
I
mean
it's
not
an
easy
option,
you
know
it's,
you
know
it's
just
you
know
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
just
try
to.
You
know
just
just
provide
a
variety
of
accommodations
throughout
the
scheme,
and
it
doesn't
necessarily
follow
that.
R
You
know
if
you
put
all
the
three
beds
on
the
ground
floor,
you
will
end
up
with
the
same
number
of
three
bed
apartments,
the
child.
You
know
by
doing
it
the
way
we
have.
We
are
actually
achieving
more
three
bed
apartments
or
you
know.
If
the
raw
example
would
we'd
fit
a
lot
less
in
because
there
just
isn't
the
space
there
to
do
it.
We
are
in
quite
you
know,
constrained
city
center
site.
Here
we
don't
quite
have
the
luxury
of
putting
everything
where
we
need
it
to
be.
A
Anybody
else,
nicole.
E
Thanks
chair
on
the
site
inspection
this
morning,
we
were
there
at
the
site.
Quite
a
while,
and
I
noticed
there
was
a
lot
of
traffic
going
up
the
road
and
you
said
in
the
report
that
there's
got
not
going
to
be
a
path
on
the
side
of
the
site.
Would
you
reconsider
that,
given
that
the
you
know
there's
going
to
be
residents
with
families
and
potentially
children
on
that
road.
R
Yeah
sure
our
kind
of
overriding
impression
was,
I
mean,
we've
looked
at
this
we've
considered
it
in
detail
and
from
our
sort
of
multiple
site
visits.
We've
noticed
that
sort
of
the
design
line
is
more
dire,
diagonally
across
the
site
from
the
saxon
gardens
estate
towards
the
town
centre.
It
doesn't
really
take
into
you
know
from
what
we've
seen
and
what
we're
seeing
it,
people
actually
moving
across
the
site.
R
The
existing
path
will
be
well
used
and
then,
if
we
can
get
it
cut
through
from
that
path
onto
flag's
place
and
bring
them
into
the
town
that
way
that
that's
probably
where
the
money's
better
spent,
we
think
we
didn't
really
and
in
terms
of
cost
benefit
as
well,
and
you
know
we
need
to
be
aware
of
cost
at
all
times,
because
this
is,
you
know,
100
social,
rented,
affordable
housing.
R
The
cost
of
providing
extending
that
that
path
along
east
field
from
railway
street
to
east
field
street
wasn't
quite
as
simple
as
providing
a
path
dagging
across
the
site.
The
dishes
in
terms
of
highway
retaining
we
would
need
to
retain
the
earth
yeah
to
stop
it
from
you
know,
collapsing
onto
the
highway.
That's
quite
a
technical
issue
as
well,
and
we
just
thought
overall,
it
would
be
of
little
benefit
and
money
would
have
been
better
spent
elsewhere
in
the
scheme.
J
E
Well,
at
the
moment
there
was
the
announcement
recently
about
extending
the
right
to
buy
to
housing
association
tenants,
but
we've
not
seen
any
detail
about
that
and
how
the
how
it
would
work.
Housing
associations
are
saying
that
we
would
once
be
able
to
replace
any
homes
lost
with
another,
with
another
being
able
to
replace
another
home.
So
we're
waiting
on
some
detail
that
we've
not
seen
anything,
but
it's
certainly
something
that
has
been
in
the
press
recently
and
we
await
decisions
from
government.
E
We
I'm
not
sure
I'd,
have
to
double
check
that,
but
it
is
going
to
be
grant
funded
by
homes,
england,
but
whether
the
discount
for
right
to
acquire
is
so
low.
I
suspect
there'd
be
no
take
up
on
it,
but
I
I
would
have
to
double
check.
Apologies.
H
Thanks
just
a
quick
one
after
a
councillor
sharps,
the
I
accept
the
point
you're
making
about
the
pavement.
But
if
that's
the
case,
then
are
you
considering
putting
in
some
form
of
crossing?
Because,
although
it's
only
quite
a
small
road,
it
is
a
rat
run
and
actually
the
kids
running
across
could
potentially
be
an
issue,
even
if
they're
with
parents.
R
Yeah,
we've
not
been
asked
to
consider
that
and
throughout
the
planning
process
and
throughout
the
consultation
process
with
highways,
they
never
identified
a
crossing
as
a
requirement
from
howard's
point
of
view.
What
we
were
asked
to
do
and
what
we
have
considered
and
what
we
look
to
provide
in
the
next
stage
of
the
development
in
terms
of
sort
of
finalizing.
R
The
landscaping
is
to
provide
permeability
across
the
site
and
to
provide
routes
across
the
site
that
don't
necessarily
require
us
to
to
cross
railway
street
as
it
were,
then
we
think
that
sort
of
lacks
places
the
more
natural
crossing
point
if
there
is
a
need
for
one.
But
yes
to
answer
your
question,
it's
not
something
that
was
identified
during
the
consultation
process
with
the
highways
department.
H
R
I
think
a
patent
in
the
crossing
perform
different
functions
practically
on
the
ground.
I
think
I
think
it's
it's
interesting
whether
they
would
consider
that
a
requirement
if
we
were
to
have
to
go
back
to
to
reconsult.
R
I
think
his
question
for
highways,
in
all
honesty,
is
probably
a
little
bit
beyond
my
my
specialist.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
C
Yeah,
I
mean
primarily
we're
seeking
that
food
way.
Provision
to
you
know,
link
to
you
know,
look
what
other
local
housing
areas-
schools,
employment
links.
You
know
we
would
probably
be
seeking
an
informal
crossing
point.
You
know
as
part
of
that
as
well,
but
primarily
it's
the
need
for
that
food
way
along
that
entire
stretch,
link
up
with
other
footpaths,
there's
also
playground
at
the
top
of
the
green
space
there
as
well,
and
without
that
footwear.
There's
no,
you
know
there's
a
bit
of
a
circuitous
route.
C
That's
also
unlit
to
go
around
there,
so
I
think
the
it
is
an
area
in
transition
and
also,
I
think,
because
there's
a
lot
of
construction
going
on
as
well
and
some
of
the
traffic
we
probably
saw.
You
know
there's
also
that
element
there
as
well,
but
there
was
also
quite
a
lot
of
fly
parking
as
well
when
we
went
on
the
site
visit.
So
prima,
our
primary
primary
concern
is
to
actually
secure.
C
You
know
the
adequate
footwear
provision
along
the
frontage
and
we
think
that's
the
most
important
thing
and
I
think
the
justification
for
not
providing
that
is
well.
People
could
cross
the
road
and
use
the
footwear
on
the
other
side,
but
if
there
was
a
footwear
you
wouldn't
need
to
cross
the
road
for
some
of
the
journeys
you
might
take.
A
Thank
you,
council,
lamb.
I
Thank
you,
chair
just
wondered
if
you
might
consider
the
introduction
of
a
green
wall
in
an
area
that
could
definitely
do
with
some
more
greenery
and
the
area
that
struck
me
was
the
on
the
the
front
right
elevation,
there's
a
big
white
block,
and
it
tends
to
lend
itself
quite
nicely
to
to
a
green
wall
which
would
add
to
the
sustainability
and-
and
it
certainly
is
an
area
from
the
site
visit
like
it
could
do
with
a
bit
more
greenery.
R
Thank
you
yeah.
Yes,
we've
as
a
practice,
we've
looked
at
green
walls
in
the
past.
We
look
into
the
feasibility
of
them
and
we
find
that
from
a
maintenance
point
of
view
that
they
are
a
little
bit
problematic.
What
we
have
done
in
the
throughout
the
design
process
and
through
the
planning
processes
is
we've
increased.
The
tree
cover
across
the
site,
one
of
the
last
things
we've
done
in
order
to
kind
of
maximize
or
yeah
maximize
the
private
immunity
space
on
the
site
is:
we've.
R
We've
moved
a
sort
of
a
green
margin
between
ourselves
and
the
energy
center
and
effectively
taking
the
trees
from
that
green
margin
and
put
them
on
the
frontage.
Now
so
what
we've
got?
You
know,
sort
of
we're.
Looking
at
potentially
sort
of
you
know
a
row
of
popular
of
the
street.
We
think
they
would
probably
provide
more
long-term
benefit
to
the
scheme
and
certainly
be
less
problematic
in
terms
of
maintenance.
R
E
I'd
just
want
to
come
in
as
well
to
say
that
it's
not
something
as
a
housing
association
that
we've
done
before
and
and
in
terms
of
cost
any
cost
to
maintain
a
green
wall
would
be
passed
on
to
the
tenants
as
a
as
part
of
the
service
charge,
so
obviously
we're
trying
to
ensure
these
are
affordable
as
as
possible
and
minimize
service
charges.
So
you
know
that's
not
something
we've
considered
before.
For
that
reason,
but
take
the
point
that
we
want
to.
E
You
know,
provide
as
much
landscaping
on
the
scheme
as
we
can
to
really
sort
of
make
it
feel
as
green
as
possible.
A
I
It's
it's
it's
more
of
a
comment
that
I
would
make,
but
I'd
really,
I
don't
want
to
make
it
without
you
having
the
opportunity
to
respond
to
it.
So
so
my
view,
there's
lots
to
like
about
the
scheme
and
the
development
of
of
the
area.
I
My
gut
feel
is
it's
a
missed
opportunity
and
we
could
do
more
and
create
more
units
and
create
better
living
spaces
off
the
back
of
that
and
that
that's
really
and
in
terms
of
answering
the
four
questions,
that's
kind
of
where,
where
I'm
leaning
that
it's
one
that
you
really
want
to
get
let's
get
on
with
it
and
get
get
a
really
good
scheme
for
people.
But
I
just
feel
like
there's,
potentially
a
missed
opportunity
and
looking
around
the
area,
we'll
we'll
think
we
could
have
done.
I
E
Well,
I
suppose
the
chimney
to
plume
was
a
limiting
factor
and
also
any
any
building
above
18
meters
takes
you
into
a
higher
risk
building,
it's
not
something
that
we
really
wanted
to
to
get
into
in
terms
of
building
safety,
the
new
building
safety
bill.
So
you
know
that,
as
well
as
the
plume
were
limiting
factors
for
us
to
go
any
higher.
A
Thank
you
thank
miss
mr
jackson
and
mrs
chambers.
Thank
thank
you
for
your
time
now.
Can
I
out,
can
I
invite
members
questions
to
to
officers?
Please.
E
L
Yeah,
it's
it's
a
difficult
one.
When
we've
got
the
applicants
saying
no,
they
won't
deliver
it.
So
we
might
be
held
to
be
unreasonable
to
put
on
a
condition
requiring
them
to
deliver
something
that
they
through
negotiation
they've
been
unwilling
to
deliver.
It
would
probably
more
come
round
to
whether
we're
willing
to
support
the
scheme
on
the
back
of
the
issues
around
about
pedestrian
connectivity.
G
I
suppose
this
is
just
a
question
because
it's
on
the
similar
vein,
obviously
the
applicant
has
said
no
to
a
path,
because
we're
obviously
wanting
to
increase
connectivity
that
if
there
was
a
conversation
in
the
apricot
willing
to
look
at
a
low-cost
measure,
say
because
there
is
a
path
there,
just
on
the
wrong
side
of
the
road,
some
form
of
pedestrian
refuge,
so
that
people
can
get
across
and
then
go
down
the
existing
path.
G
And
I
don't
know
from
a
technical
point
of
view,
what's
more
expensive,
the
producing
pedestrian
refuge
or
actually
having
all
of
that
with
the
retaining
they'd
have
to
do
and
all
the
excavation
and
all
the
movement
all
the
cost.
Because
if
we're
saying,
we
feel
need
to
be
improved
connectivity
and
they
saying
they
can't
do
they
can't
do
it
from
a
viability
point
of
view.
Is
there
a
lowest
cost
option
to
get
there
so
that
we
get
what
we
want
as
an
authority
at
the
lowest
possible
cost
for
the
for
the
applicant.
C
The
the
road
there
wouldn't
be
wide
enough
to
accommodate
a
pedestrian
refuge
in
the
middle
of
the
road.
You
know
we
could
potentially
look
at.
You
know
raise
tables,
but
you
need
one.
You
need
two
and-
and
it's
not
really
the
preferred
option.
To
be
honest,.
A
C
I
can't
say
for
definite:
I
don't
have
the
those
figures
you
know
to
hand,
I
don't
think
it
would
be
prohibitively
expensive.
There
is
some
level
difference,
but
I
don't
think
you
need
an
extensive
retaining
wall
or
anything.
I
think
you
might
need
to
look
at
some
regrading
or
a
very
low
level
sort
of
wall
to
accommodate
the
the
rise
in
the
ground.
C
The
like
lighting
columns,
need
to
be
relocated
to
the
back
of
footwear
as
well,
so
there
would,
it
probably
is
a
more
costly
option
than
putting
in
you
know,
sort
of
crossing
provision,
but
really
to
be
honest,
it's
not
really
an
acceptable.
Oh
well,
we'll
cross
you
over
there
and
cross
back
over
there.
You
know
when
really
there
should
be
a
food
way
to
link
to
the
local
communities,
employment
sites,
playground
provision,
schools,
etc.
L
All
right,
yeah,
thank
you
chair.
I
mean
one
of
the
options
and
this
will
go
into
comments.
If
members
have
very
strong
views
on
this,
but
of
course
one
of
the
options
for
members
is
to
instruct
officers
to
go
back
and
do
their
best
to
negotiate
a
scheme,
a
foot
way
along
to
continue
that
footwear
along.
I
Q
Yes,
that's
right,
and
the
council's
parks
and
the
countryside
team
currently
maintain
the
the
area
of
green
space.
I
Well,
my
last
question
starts
my
comment
that
if
we
own
the
land,
we
surely
have
a
duty
to
make
sure
we're
doing
the
very
best
that
we
can
out
of
it.
It's
not
a
question
of
viability.
It's
this
or
nothing,
and
I,
as
I
said
in
my
my
questions
last
comment.
My
worry
is
we'll
look
at
this
as
a
missed
opportunity
and
if
you
go
through
the
four
questions,
housing
mix.
Well,
no,
it's
really
important
to
get
the
housing
mix
right
in
that
location,
and
I
think
we
have
to.
I
We
have
to
stick
to
our
guns
on
that.
In
terms
of,
I
think
there
is
clear,
wider
planning
benefits
from
losing
the
green
space,
but
there
is
not
an
acceptable
reason
for
not
having
enough
amenity,
particularly
having
just
been
through
the
pandemic
and
lockdowns
and
so
on,
and
I
frequently
thought
when,
in
the
nice
area
that
I
live
with
lots
of
places
to
go
and
walk,
I
often
thought
of
people
living
in
places
like
this.
I
That
didn't
have
that
opportunity
and
the
amenity
more
than
ever
is
really
important
to
have
that
level
right
and
the
linkages.
I
think
that's
essential,
and
I
just
my
gut
feel
is
we
can
do
a
lot
more
with
what
is
a
really
promising
site,
and
if,
given
that
we
own
it,
surely
we've
got
a
duty
to
to
make
sure
that
that's
what
happens
that
we
make
the
best
of
it
and
that
it's
a
really
good
quality
space
for
people
to
live.
A
That's
that's
a
good
point
cancer
stevenson
and
then
council
smith,.
J
I'm
conscious
that
this
is
just
a
position
statement,
so
not
wanting
to
predetermine
what
might
come
back
to
a
panel
that
I
I
and
others
sit
on.
But
if
you
want
feedback
from
the
applicant's
side,
I
suspect,
if
you
came
back
without
any
changes,
you
would
probably
find
a
proposal
and
a
second
to
impose
a
condition
on
a
planet
application
to
get
that
footpath
and
I
think,
in
the
interest
of
residential
immunity
and
highway
safety.
J
We'd
have
quite
a
strong
position
as
members
to
ask
that,
so
it
might
make
it
easier
for
you
if
you
work
through
the
offices
now,
and
I
would
I'll
take
the
opportunity
to
propose
that
recommendation
from
david
when
we
get
to
the
point-
and
my
other
comment
was
just
going
back
to
that
issue
of
the
right
to
acquire.
J
J
My
view
would
be
given
that
these
properties
could
become
private
dwellings
and
given
the
direction
of
legislation
I'm
most
likely
to
at
some
point,
and
I
think
we
should
be
quite
firm
in
arguing
for
more
three
bedroom
properties
in
there,
and
I
I
think
there
is
a
there
were
a
lot
of
answers
today
that
went
in
the
difficult
box
and
actually
with
a
bit
of
creative
thinking.
J
We
can
find
ways
around
to
ensure
that
we
do
get
more
three
bed
properties,
because
if
this
does
come
back
to
a
panel
that
I'm
sat
on,
that
will
be
my
argument
when
we
get
there.
K
Thank
you
chair.
I've
heard
today
quite
a
number
of
issues
that
are
relevant
very
relevant
to
very
many
people
in
our
city
that
have
literally
been
put
in
the
too
difficult
box,
and
I
think
we
can
do
so
much
better.
We
own
this
land.
You
know
it's
up
to
us
to
lead
our
residents
into
the
future
and
we
aren't
leading
them
into
the
future
with
this
development
as
it
stands.
In
my
opinion,
we,
if
you
look
at
the
housing
mix
needed
in
this
area.
You
know
we
do
need
family
homes.
K
There
are
a
lot
of
high-rise
blocks
and
families
are
living
in
them
and
they're
desperate
for
some
outside
space
and
we're
basically
saying
well,
it's
just
too
difficult
to
provide
that
and
I
think
we're
only
going
up
five
floors.
K
If
we're
only
going
up
five
floors,
then
why
is
it
so
difficult?
You
know
we
we
were
saying:
well,
we
we're
going
to
put
the
wall
in
and
it's
going
to
go
all
the
way
up.
We
don't
need
to
do
that.
You
know
there
are
building
techniques
that
that
can
be
applied
to
to
make
sure
that
this
development
is
the
development
that
our
citizens
deserve.
G
I
think
really
just
to
echo
what's
been
said
on
the
the
the
other
side
of
the
desk
today.
In
terms
of
you
know,
it
is
a
principal
development
here,
a
good
one.
Yes,
I
think
we
can
all
agree
with
that
is.
It
is
the
loss
of
some
of
that
green
space
for
the
utilization
of
the
majority
of
that
brownfield
space
worthwhile.
G
We're
always
tending
to
ask
for
less
density,
and
I
think
just
because
something's
hard-
it's
not
a
cop
out
for
for
for
someone
proposing
a
development
and
and
just
taking
the
argument
about
the
plumes
from
the
energy
facility.
Well,
if
that
was
going
to
be
a
health
issue
that
he
would
have
gone
there
in
the
first
place
because
of
the
existing
high
rises.
G
So
I
think
that's
sorry,
I'm
you
know
a
bit
of
a
red
herring
to
try
and
get
around
some
of
the
more
complicated
costs
of
going
to
a
higher
density,
build
which
they
obviously
wish
to
avoid,
even
though
would
probably
ultimately
be
more
profitable
for
them,
because
it
just
makes
life
more
complicated
and-
and
I
think
again
not
to
prejudge
what
might
come
back
to
panel.
L
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
I
think
in
broad
terms,
a
number
of
councillors
have
summarized
a
broad
position,
which
is
yes
support.
The
principle
but
could
do
could
do
better
and
I
think
I
think,
there's
I
get
the
feeling
also
that
there's
a
general
support
in
terms
of
the
form
of
the
design
it
hasn't
been
specifically
mentioned,
but
I'd
sort
of
take
the
silence
on
on
that.
But
members
are
in
favor
of
the
design
approach
because
it
is,
it
is
an
attractive
building.
L
So
the
principle
is
is
good,
accepting
the
loss
of
green
space,
but
we
could
do
more
and
achieve
more
creative,
achieve
a
higher
density
and
better
quality
development
in
terms
of
the
level
of
accommodation
and
connections
that
can
be
provided
for
those
for
those
residents.
So
that's
the
general
comment,
then
the
more
specific
comments
in
terms
of
housing
mix
the
ground
floor
really
should
be
all
three
bed
units
to
make
use
of
the
private
immunity
space
and
that
there
is
a
need
to
provide
three
bed
units
to
follow
our
planning
policy.
L
L
Again,
it's
that's
a
very
important
matter
in
light
of
the
pandemic,
so
efforts
should
be
made
to
look
at
the
design
to
accommodate
as
much
private
community
space,
as
can
be
achieved
for
the
individual
flats
and
I've
taken
that
to
mean
really
what
you're
looking
at
is
it's
just
some
form
of
outdoor
space
which
which
may
well
be
taking
us
back
to
the
discussion
about
balconies
or
roof
terrace
or
whatever,
but
again
with
the
creative
thinking
and
the
connections
issue.
L
Is
that,
yes,
that
that
footpath,
along
the
edge
and
is,
is
required
and
it's
a
fundamental
part
of
the
scheme?
If
we
can
achieve
all
of
that,
then
we
don't
get
into
the
world
of
the
missed
opportunity
that
number
of
members
have
talked
about
and
as
part
of
that
discussion,
we'll
have
a
look
at
the
issue
of
air
pollution
and
what
the
check,
what
actually
the
reality
is
and
what
what
the
constraints
are
I'll
put
there
take
the
comments
that
we've
made
about
neighboring
development.
I
So
it
was
just
a
note
because
it
hadn't
come
up
that
okay
did
you
say
it
was
a
26
story
scheme
which
is
going
up
closer
to
the
to
the
chimney
than
or
20
or
20
to
a
much
taller
building,
much
closer
to
the
to
the
chimney.
Q
Yeah,
that's
right.
Just
on
the
other
side
of
flats
place.
The
current
development,
I
think,
is
going
to
reach
to
about
20
stories
also
on
on
that
side,
but
I
haven't
looked
into
detail
in
terms
of
whether
they've
taken
more
mitigation
measures
to
to
combat
some
of
the
the
problems
associated
with
the
with
emissions
from
the
energy
center.
A
Thank
you.
If,
if
this
is
the
case,
are
we
all
happy
with
that?
We
just
agreed
yeah.
Thank
you.
Can
we
now
move
on
to
item
10,
which
will
be
led
by
lydia.
E
The
development
consists
of
the
construction
of
a
new
well-being
center.
It's
to
replace
the
existing
fernville
leisure
center,
including
wider
site
improvements,
and
the
item
has
come
to
members
for
feedback
on
the
matters
identified
in
the
report
to
allow
input
an
early
stage,
although
the
formal
full
application
has
now
been
received
within
the
last
day
or
two
and
due
to
time
constraints
with
a
funding
application.
E
Members
comments
on
the
pre-app
will
be
helpful
to
inform
the
full
application
at
its
early
stage
console
t
comments
have
been
received
from
flood
mismanagement
and
land
contamination
which
are
supportive
and
raise
no
objections.
They
require
the
submission
of
standard
reports
and
further
site
information.
A
Sorry
can
I
we
also
have
samuel
fleming,
who
will
be
speaking
in
support
of
this
application,
and
you
have
10
minutes
to
speak.
P
And
richard
berry
architect,
from
mps
working
on
behalf
of
police
city
council
on
this
game
said
not
some
sam
fleming's,
a
colleague
of
mine,
so
yeah,
not
actually
him
presenting.
P
So
shall
I
talk
through
this
presentation
and
maybe
sort
of
does
this
turn
the
slides
forward?
Okay,
thank
you.
So
let
me
just
check.
If
that
works.
Do
I
need
to?
Is
it
the
arrows
yeah?
Oh
yeah,
there
we
go
so
it
was
just
catching
up.
So
I'll
just
start
with
a
bit
of
background
in
terms
of
setting
the
context
for
where
we
are
and
then
move
into
the
proposals.
P
So
hopefully
most
people
know
the
location
of
where
we
are,
but
we're
kind
of
about
two
and
a
half
miles
out
of
the
center
of
leeds.
You
can
see
the
the
area
shaded
in
red
is
the
site
round,
hair
part
to
the
north
and
temple
news
and
to
the
south.
You
can
see
a
cycle
lane
that
connects
round
apart
to
temple
news.
What
we're
looking
to
do
as
part
of
this
facility
is
try
and
enhance
them
connections
and
make
that
feature
of
our
site.
P
Let's
see
if
the
next
slide,
I
don't
think
is
this
point
to
work
the
site
history
next,
so
one
of
the
big
key
themes-
that's
developed
through
these
proposals
is
trying
to
make
something
something
of
the
area,
and
so,
as
part
of
that
understanding,
the
site.
History
is
quite
important
to
understand
how
it's
evolved
and
why
so,
you
can
see
there
in
the
1850
format.
There's
a
public
footpath,
that's
rooted
through
the
site,
that's
kind
of
been
there
hundreds
of
years.
So
can
we
kind
of
make
a
feature
of
that?
P
You
can
see
then,
as
we
go
through
the
historic
maps,
it's
kind
of
been
surrounded
by
housing
developments
and
then
through
to
the
some
it
is.
Might
you
can
see
the
current
leisure
center
development
and,
at
the
end
of
that
public
route,
the
parkway
towers,
the
tower
blocks
being
developed,
which
is
on
axis
of
that
slide,
and
if
you
can
click
the
next
slide?
Thank
you.
P
That's
the
site
has
existing,
so
it's
kind
of
quite
a
big
site
close
to
30
hectares
in
area,
but
what
we've
found
is
there's
quite
a
few
facilities
there
that
become
run
down
over
time.
There's
an
existing
all-weather
pitch,
that's
becoming
a
state
of
disrepair,
there's
tennis
courts
and
things
below
that.
Some
of
the
issues
that
have
been
fed
back
is
is
safe
to
keep
people
feeling
safe
in
this
area.
There's
the
existing
building
there,
but
it's
quite
an
inward
looking
building.
P
So
there's
a
lot
of
not
not
a
lot
of
natural
surveillance.
So
how
can
we
improve
that
safety
aspect
as
well
as
the
sort
of
improving
the
facilities
on
the
site?
Have
the
next
slide
please?
So
this
is
the
master
plan
before
we
went
into
the
public
consultations
and
what
you'll
see
through
this
is,
and
the
slides
to
come
is
how
how
this
has
evolved.
Taking
on
board
the
comments
that
have
been
raised,
but
the
starting
point
for
this
was:
how
can
we
enhance
this
as
a
park
and
almost
aspire
to
sort
the
ground
apart?
P
Temple
knew
some
style
of
part,
so
you
can
see
the
cycle
lane
running
up
north
to
south
the
edge
of
the
site.
What
we've
looked
to
do
is
put
a
cycle
in
split
cycle,
pedestrian
lane
that
runs
through
the
site.
East-West
there's
some
slides,
that'll
come
up,
we'll,
hopefully
explain
that
a
bit
better
and
you
can
see
the
well-being
center
in
the
red
shaded
thing
in
the
middle
of
the
site
and
then
around
that
clusters
of
facilities
and
again
that's
to
try
and
create
that
overlooked
nature
trying
to
create
more
passive
surveillance.
P
So
I
mentioned
the
park
run
route.
I
think
I
mentioned
the
park
run
route
running
around
the
edge
of
the
site
in
the
red.
The
yellow
areas
are
sort
of
activity
nodes.
So
when
you're
in
that
parkland
room,
there's
sort
of
things
to
do
stations,
activity
stations
as
you
go
through
the
site,
maybe
the
next
slide
please.
P
P
The
idea,
then,
our
build
the
current
building
is
quite
hidden
when
you
approach
into
the
sites
of
the
idea
of
pushing
that
a
bit
further
north
get
a
bit
of
visibility
from
the
main
route
into
the
site,
connect
that
building
better
to
the
pedestrian
route
running
across
the
site,
making
that
kind
of
quite
a
key
route
which,
when
some
parkway
towers
and
back
across
and
then
enhancing
some
of
the
current
facilities,
such
as
the
current
bmx
truck
the
cycle
track
and
trying
to
enhance
them
next
slide.
Please.
P
This
gives
a
brief
overview
of
some
of
the
recent
public
consultations
we've
had
on
the
scheme
and
then
a
list
of
some
of
the
key
comments
which
we've
tried
to
take
on
board
in
the
proposals.
You'll
see
as
we
work
through
them,
but
some
of
the
key
things
rare
things
like.
Could
we
put
things
like
playgrounds
on
it
or
kids
and
teenage
play
areas?
P
Can
we
look
at
the
drainage
strategy
for
sites
create
something
more
sustainable
and
potentially
these
swales
and
ponds
and
picnic
areas?
The
splash?
Can
we
make
the
pool
create
a
more
fun
aspect
to
the
pool,
so
maybe
in
a
sort
of
a
increased
splash
pad
facility?
Maybe
the
next
slide.
Please,
then
this
shows
the
state
of
the
development
where
we
are
now
so
the
what
we're
putting
is.
We've
put
some
play
areas
in
to
the
just
to
the
right
of
the
building
along
that
central
spine
path.
P
You
can
see
the
skate
park
and
bmx
track
as
you
walk
as
you
go
around
the
building,
an
artificial
pitch
south
of
the
building,
and
then
tennis
courts
and
three
tennis
courts
and
a
mugger
at
the
other
side
of
the
building,
which
would
be
where
the
current
building
is.
So
when
that's
demolished,
they're
getting
stalled.
P
You
can
see
the
sort
of
areas
of
blue,
which
is
this
drainage,
where
there's
ponds
as
part
of
that,
as
it
leads
back
into
the
to
the
back
the
bottom
right
of
that
image.
If
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
so
going
through
some
of
them
areas
in
a
bit
more
detail.
So
hopefully
the
images
at
the
bottom
give
you
sort
of
the
idea
of
the
a
split
cycleware
pedestrian
route
that
run
through
the
site
through
the
parkway
tiles
and
connect
back
into
the
main
cycle
infrastructure.
P
The
footpath
runs
parallel
to
that,
but
as
we
get
to
the
building
breaks
away,
so
it
kind
of
meanders
more
putting
a
cafe
spilling
out
onto
that
space
as
well,
so
people
that
come
to
the
site
can
sort
of
come
there
use
the
wider
site
facilities,
maybe
get
a
drink
or
an
ice
cream
or
whatever.
As
part
of
that,
so
I
can
sort
of
round
here
part
kind
of
idea.
P
Next
slide,
please
one
of
the
big
things
as
well
is
creating
more
of
a
prominence
from
that
site
entrance
so
pushing
the
building
up.
So
you
get
more
of
a
view
through
that
approach
road,
but
it
is
quite
a
little
bit
into
the
site.
P
So
can
we
do
more
in
terms
of
maybe
signage
into
the
site
banner
signs
as
you
come
down
that
route
just
again
to
try
and
draw
people
in
a
bit
more
because
there
was
quite
a
few
people
mentioned
the
consultation
and
maybe
some
of
the
new
houses
they
weren't
really
aware
of
all
the
facilities
on
this
site.
So
it's
increasing
the
prominence
of
it
next
slide.
Please.
P
This
shows
the
idea
of
the
skate
park
and
the
the
pump
track
so
they're
down
the
side
of
the
building,
labeled
c
and
d
on
that
plan.
So
again
they
benefit
from
the
surveillance
from
the
building
and
from
that
central
spine,
we're
hopefully
trying
to
make
them
feel
a
bit
more
safe
as
a
facility
where
parents
don't
allow
their
kids
to
be
next
slide.
Please
there's
so
the
play
areas.
That's
low,
noted
l
on
that
plan.
P
P
You
see
on
approach,
maybe
sort
of
popping
the
head
over
the
tree
band
and
the
trees
that
are
in
that
area,
outdoor
shelter,
sort
of
a
teenage
shelter
congregation
area,
but
again
benefiting
from
surveillance
from
the
building
from
passing
people
just
trying
to
create
that
idea
of
safety
in
the
area.
Next
slide,
please.
P
This
is
the
southwest
approaching
to
the
site,
so
this
building
will
be
visible
on
multiple
routes
into
the
site,
so
just
creating
every
current,
creating
attractive
routes
in
all
the
approach
routes.
P
Next
slide,
please
against
the
white
back.
One
of
the
big
things
is:
can
we
reinforce
the
biodiversity
in
the
area
in
the
works
that
have
already
been
taken
on
the
other
outside
of
our
site?
Can
we
sort
of
create
that
buffer
running
through
our
site,
so
the
idea
of
the
swales
you
can
see
there
in
the
blue,
concrete
picnic
areas
and
sort
of
roots
around
that
area
and
then
get
sort
of
help
contain
the
site
from
the
surrounding
roads
next
slide.
Please.
P
So
on
to
the
building
itself,
so
this
kind
of
shows
the
main
concept
of
the
building.
We've
got
multiple
approach
routes
into
the
site.
You've
got
people
that
might
travel
by
car,
but
he's
also
people
that
might
come
by
cycle
or
walking
into
the
site
so
providing
the
cycle
storage
for
them
as
you
get
into
the
site.
P
The
idea
of
a
sort
of
heart
space
in
the
middle
of
the
building
and
from
that
from
sort
of
to
wet
change,
to
swimming
external
change,
to
the
outdoor
pictures
and
then
from
the
dry
change
to
places
like
the
gym.
The
studios,
the
red
lines,
almost
like
the
secure
line
that
you
have
to
have
the
badges
to
go
through
the
swipe
cars
to
go
through
but
spaces
before
that
cafe
that
could
spill
out
into
a
terrace
up
to
the
wider
park
and
then
sort
of
community
facilities
adventure
play
on
to
the
next
slide.
P
Please
shows
the
sort
of
concept
for
the
building,
so
it's
wrapped
around
this
heart
space
and
facilities
around
that
main.
The
black
line
that
main
east-west
route,
linking
from
parkway
towers
back
to
the
other
side
of
the
site.
Next
slide,
please,
this
sense
shows
a
building
plan,
so
I'll
go
through
the
rest
quite
quickly.
This
then
shows
the
building
plan,
the
heart
space
in
the
green
and
through
to
the
facilities
next
slide.
Please.
P
This
is
the
approach
through
into
the
scheme,
so
trying
to
create
sort
of
a
welcoming
environment,
an
open,
atrium
space
on
one
side
which
looks
to
aspire
from
the
council
and
facilities
which
links
the
other
side
of
that
heart
space
next
slide,
please!
This
is,
if
you
come
into
the
cafe,
to
the
well
being
sent
to
the
atrium
at
the
back,
the
pool
to
the
right
with
sort
of
views
into
that
next
slide.
P
P
P
Yeah
there's
last
two:
I
think
the
adventure
play
I
think,
there's
some
visuals
coming
up.
You
can
just
sort
of
skip
through
them
quite
quickly.
That's
the
lower
level
yeah.
You
can
skip
through
these
visual
of
the
building
green
roof.
So
that's
visible
on
the
approach
routes.
We
just
keep
skipping
through
approach
through
from
that
south
approach
route.
You
can
see
the
parkway
towers.
If
you
go
to
the
next
one
and
then
you
can
see
the
part
where
tower
is
framed
by
the
building
form.
P
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Any
questions
to
the
speakers
and
I
do
apologize
for
the
name
these
the
names
were
given
to
me
was
from
from
from
the
from
the
planning,
so
country
bethel.
H
Thank
you.
I
wondered
whether
you'd
looked
at,
what's
going
to
be
in
the
youth
shelter
area
and
whether
there's
any
mileage
in
having
like
game
boards,
etc,
painting
all
the
tables,
obviously
not
the
actual
equipment,
but
so
that
they
can
bring
stuff
to
occupy
themselves
while
they're
there.
F
Yes,
certainly
it
was
the
the
covered.
Shelter
was
actually
something
that
was
raised
in
one
of
the
public
consultation
sessions.
I
think
at
the
seacroft
consultation
session,
a
very
valid
point,
creating
a
an
area
where
teenagers
can
hang
around,
but
not
in
a
in
a
mischievous
way,
actually
providing
them
something
interesting
where
they
can
meet
with
their
friends.
F
We
would,
as
part
of
the
development,
look
to
engage
with
the
local
communities
via
various
steering
groups
and
try
and
engineer
spaces
so
that
they
do
meet
the
needs
of
the
of
the
young
people.
So
we
have
suggested
with
youth
services
that
we
arrange
some
consultation
sessions
just
just
with
children
rather
than
getting
adults
in
there.
Who
may
distort
the
the
picture
that
we
get
back.
I
Yeah,
thank
you,
chad.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
There's
a
lot
to
like
about
it.
The
the
one
thing
that
struck
me
in
some
of
the
outside
space
and
equipment.
The
thing
I
wrote
down
was
anti-social
behavior
and
you
alluded
to
it
a
little
bit
in
in
people's
concerns
about
safety
and
things,
just
wonder
if
you
could
elaborate
on
what
you've
done
to
design
out
asb,
because
there
are
some
bits
of
equipment
in
there
that
just
look
like
a
magnet
for
it
and.
F
Certainly,
yes,
as
part
of
the
external
equipment,
we're
looking
to
obviously
install
something.
That's
robust,
but
as
well
as
it
being
robust,
is
its
position
in
its
location
within
the
park,
making
sure
that
it's
either
overloads
that
we've
got
cctv
that
we're
looking
to
introduce
within
the
park
for
security
purposes,
but
also
in
designing
entrances
into
the
park
that
prohibit
things
like
anti-social
activities
on
motorcycles.
F
It's
currently
the
site's
blighted
with
with
with
youtube
use
the
site
as
a
bit
of
a
a
shortcut
to
get
from
one
side
of
leeds
to
the
other
side
of
these
leads,
so
we're
introducing
chicanes
all
of
the
pedestrian
entry
points
and
things
to
prevent
motorcycle
activities
on
the
site.
I
think
the
the
the
feedback
that
we've
had
from
the
the
public
consultation
sessions
is,
you
know,
there's
a
there's,
a
real
need
for
different
activities
to
take
place
on
the
site.
F
That
is
at
the
moment
it's
a
big,
green,
barren
space
largely
laid
out
in
in
football
pitches,
but
because
they're
not
drained
they're
heavily
water
logged,
often
unavailable
for
use
and
and,
as
a
result,
the
site
isn't
really
that
well
utilized
by
the
community.
I
think
it's
you
you're
right.
F
The
anti-social
activities
are
actually
deterring
people
from
going,
though,
so
the
idea
is
that
as
our
design
progresses
that
we
we
install
things
that
are
robust,
that
can
defend
themselves,
but
we
actually
think
about
the
design
when
we
when
we're,
as
we
have
put
it
together,
I
mean
we've
had
west
yorkshire,
police
architecturally
as
an
officer
who's,
given
us
advice
and
guidance
on
the
form
of
the
building.
F
What
to
install
you
know
the
the
cycle,
storage
and
and
in
terms
of
orcas,
but
also
just
you
know,
the
the
types
of
things
that
children
will
will
do
and
I
think
we
need
to
design
it
mindful
that
children
will
behave
in
a
child-like
way,
and
you
know
the
building
needs
to
to
cater
for
that.
A
Thank
you
anyone
else.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation
and
thank
you
for
your
time
results
now.
Can
I
invite
councillor
arif
hussein
who's,
the
sorry
cancer,
salman
arif
who's
local
word,
counselor
for
the
area.
E
Thank
you
chair.
It's
alright!
I'm
quite
used
to
it,
if
I'm
honest
with
you
they've
been
called
counselors
day,
so
yeah,
just
just
a
couple
of
points
really
from
my
perspective,
as
as
a
counselor
representing
the
award
of
gibton,
hair
hills,
and
you
know
for
us,
this
is
going
to
be
a
much
needed,
sustainable
and
hopefully
a
state-of-the-art
leisure
center
and
a
well-being
center.
E
I'm
sure
many
of
us
have
learnt
to
swim
at
funerals.
I
certainly
did
and
there's
a
few
people
nodding
their
heads,
but
it's
really
aged
and
and
actually
there
is
that
the
time
is
right
for
us
to
to
have
a
a
a
well-being
center
of
this
niche,
and
I
think
council
lam
is
right.
There
isn't
much
not
to
like.
It
looks
really
good,
but
also
it's
worth
noting
that
in
the
in
it's
not
just
about
gifts
and
hair
hills.
E
This
is
going
to
benefit
the
whole
of
east
leeds
and
that's
why
we've
got
to
get
the
transport
of
this
right
as
well.
I
think
that
was
something
that
was
mentioned
in
the
comments
earlier,
but
also
in
the
consultation,
but
speaking
to
local
people.
The
access
has
got
to
be
spot
on
from
different
areas,
and
it's
the
only
swimming
facility
in
the
hall
of
inner
east
as
well.
E
They
would
massively
benefit
from
having
somewhere
to
go
to
hair
hills
is
very
much
a
built
up
area,
so
sometimes
people
do
come
towards
gibton,
but
I
think
darren's
right
fennel
doesn't
get
the
the
use
that
it
should
have,
perhaps
because
there's
not
a
lot
going
on
there,
and
so
I
certainly
welcome
it
and
from
my
hat
as
a
cabinet
member
from
public
health,
you
know
in
terms
of
looking
at
health
inequalities.
E
The
inner
east
area
has
got
very
high
levels
of
health
inequalities,
and
this
is
another
way
for
us
to
encourage
people
to
be
out,
but
again
they
need
to
be
going
to
a
well-being
center.
That's
welcoming
that's
not
aging,
so
this
is
hopefully
a
step
in
in
the
right
direction,
but
just
just
to
reiterate
that
yes,
people
from
gibson
hair
hills
will
benefit,
but
this
is
for
everybody
in
around
that
area
in
the
east
of
the
city.
That
will
massively
benefit
from
this.
So
yeah
really
excited.
F
Yeah,
just
echo
everything
that
councillor
arab
has
said
and
say:
this
is
the
oldest
sports
center
in
leeds
still
existing.
So
it's
40
years
old
and
it's
quite
in
need
of
restoration
and
development
into
a
health
and
wellbeing
center,
and
so
it
would
be
fantastic
for
the
area
and
we
hope
that
the
government
will
allow
it
through
the
leveling
up
process
at
its
second
attempt,
and
it
will
also,
I
think,
because
it's
going
to
be
moved
towards
the
road
to
towards
oakwood
lane.
F
K
Thanks
yeah,
I
like
it,
I
like
it
a
lot.
I
think
it's
needed,
and
I
hope
that
if
the
money
is
forthcoming
from
government
that
obviously
it
makes
life
easy,
but
if
it's
not
I'd
like
to,
you
know,
try
and
find
a
way
around
that
and
and
make
sure
that
it
happens
anyway.
Thank
you.
H
Yeah,
just
a
really
quick
comment:
I'm
hopeful
that
I'm
I'm
really
happy
with
it
and
I'm
hopeful
it
should
go
ahead.
We're
able
to
put
some
really
effective,
functional,
calisthenic
type,
gym
stuff
in
as
well
as
your
sort
of
run-of-the-mill
literally
run
stuff
thanks.
L
Yes,
thank
you
chasing.
This
is
pretty
pretty
easy.
Summering
up
in
terms
of
the
first
questions,
members
consider
the
proposed
sighting
of
the
well
being
said
to
be
acceptable.
I
think
the
answers
to
that
is.
Yes,
our
members
question
two
members
supported
emerging
design.
I
think
the
answer
is
yes
to
that.
L
Third,
one
about
accessibility
arrangements.
Members
are
also,
I
get
the
impression
very
much
supportive
of
that
general
comment.
Very
supportive
of
the
scheme
welcome
scheme,
fantastic
facility
and
also
members
very
keen
for
it
to
be
developed,
and
can
I
be
a
little
bit
cheeky
here
and
just
ask
members
in
in
light
of
that,
in
light
of
what
the
the
ward
member
said
in
the
last
presentation,
you've
seen
our
members
content
for
this
application
to
be
determined
by
by
officers
rather
than
bring
it
back
to
the
plans
panel.