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Even
though
members
of
the
panel
are
in
remote
attendance,
the
joint
plans
panel
is
an
informal
meeting
which
brings
together
the
council's
area
plans
panels,
city
plans,
panel
and
development
plan
for
consultation
and
training.
Whilst
items
today
will
be
fully
discussed,
as
is
usual,
remote
attendance
requires
a
few
slight
changes
as
to
how
I
manage
the
debate.
C
Therefore,
can
I
ask
all
attendees
to
mute
their
microphones
unless
I
invite
them
to
speak,
this
will
avoid
disruption
from
background
noise.
Can
all
participants
please
keep
their
cameras
on
during
the
meeting.
However,
if
it
should
be
noted
that
if
there
are
connectivity
issues,
as
we
have
experienced
already
this
afternoon
and
the
bandwidth
is
low,
videos
will
cease
to
be
shown
and
will
be
replaced
by
the
participants.
C
D
C
D
C
C
So,
at
this
point,
I'd
normally
ask
members
of
the
plans
panels
of
the
joint
plans
panel
to
introduce
themselves,
but
on
this
occasion
there
are
so
many
members
on
the
joint
plans
panel
that
I
will
ask
you
to
introduce
yourself
as
you
speak
for
the
first
time,
please
so.
Moving
on
to
the
agenda,
could
I
ask
debbie
police
to
go
through
the
first
two
items
up
to
number
six.
C
A
A
C
Thank
you
so
on
to
item
number
seven,
which
is
minutes
of
the
previous
meeting
held
on
the
14th
of
november
2019..
It
was
quite
a
time
ago.
Do
members
accept
these
minutes,
are
a
true
record
and
again
on
the
true
record
bit
I'll,
assume,
correct
and
less
indicated.
C
C
E
C
C
E
Thank
you
page
10,
the
third
bullet
point.
As
you
know,
it
was
my
turn
in
the
chair
last
time
and
I
asked
about
the
use
of
section
two
and
five
notices
and
asked
that
we
benchmark
and
bring
a
report
to
a
future
joint
plans
panel.
I
appreciate
times
and
kobe
have
probably
got
in
the
way
of
that,
but
I
do
think
it's
important
that
we
stay
to
that
commitment,
which
was
agreed
at
the
last
joint
plans.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you
kevin.
Would
anyone
like
to
comment
on
that
offices
in
attendance.
F
Thank
you,
chad,
jonathan
carr,
head
of
development
management,
just
to
say
that
kevin
councillor,
richard
is
correct
in
that
other
matters
have
intervened
somewhat
in
the
progress
of
bringing
that
report
to
a
panel,
but
it's
still
on
the
on
the
program
to
do
so.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
just
while,
I'm
on
actually
page
nine.
F
Thank
you
just
a
correction
actually,
at
page
nine
on
the
third
bullet
point,
it
talks
about
grant
funding
of
five
hundred
and
six
thousand
pounds,
which
was
actually
fifty
thousand
pounds
just
to
make
that
clear.
Oh
that's!
Quite
descriptive,.
C
I've
got
councillor
peter
growing
next.
G
Now
I
recall
we
invested
a
considerable
amount
of
time
in
talking
about
design
champions
as
part
of
changing
our
agenda
from
being
purely
numbers
based
to
saying
we
wanted
to
spend
time
on
quality
of
design
and
quality
of
construction
and
build,
and
of
course,
there's
been
a
total
silence
for
the
last
12
months
on
that
particular
concept,
and
I
wonder
if
you
could
update
us.
H
H
H
The
other
point
to
make
is
that
mark
burgess
who
was
leading
on
it,
has
since
left
the
authority,
so
we
are
working
through
a
process
of
seeking
to
reappoint
to
that
role.
So
this
is
something
in
terms
of
the
design
champion
component
that
won't
be
overlooked.
It's
something!
That's
still
there
that
we'll
be
following
through.
G
If
I
may
check
and
respond,
thank
you
david.
I
accept
the
explanation,
but
take
it
from
me
that
certainly
in
my
neck
of
the
woods,
we
are
on
the
cusp
of
massive
significant
developments
and
if
we
miss
the
boat,
because
we
can't
decide
how
to
implement
the
best
way
of
improving
our
knowledge
experience,
expertise
regarding
design
matters,
we
shall
miss
a
great
opportunity,
and
perhaps
the
plants
chairs
attending
today
could
take
this
away
and
give
it
a
little
bit
of
extra
momentum.
C
Thank
you
peter.
Can
we
make
a
note
to
place
that
on
the
plans
panel
chairs
agenda,
please
I've
got
councillor
collins
next.
Thank
you.
A
Chair
page,
eight
there's
a
comment
there
about,
obviously
we'll
look
at
land
ownership
of
highways,
england
known
as
ransom,
strips
and
report
findings
back
to
members.
I
don't
recall
what
the
conversation
was
around
that,
but
nor
do
I
remember
getting
any
information
if
we
didn't
get
some
information
could
have
it
copied
to
me
again.
Please.
H
Thank
you,
council,
collins,
david
speaking,
david
feeney
speaking
chair,
just
just
to
respond
to
that.
I
think
I
think
the
issue
that
was
raised
was
in
response
to
a
very
specific
local
matter
in
the
weatherby
area
raised
by
a
member,
and
I
I
recall
that
colleagues
within
the
service
did
respond
on
that
point.
So
we
can.
We
can
dig
out
the
response
that
was
previously
sent
and
circulate
that
to
your
council
collins.
If
that
would
be
helpful,
but
it
wasn't
a
general
strategic
point.
It
was
to
do
with
a
very
specific
localized
issue.
A
A
C
Thank
you,
but
I
think
most
of
us
have
experienced
some
examples
of
of
ransom,
strips
and
and
found
ourselves
in
a
bit
of
a
knot
around
them
david.
So
any
general
information,
or
even
that
repeated
response
would
be
helpful.
I
think
to
all
of
us
to
be
honest.
I
Just
that
chair
with
regards
to
I'm
in
attendance
and
I'm
in
apologies
and
I
left
the
meeting
at
15
45..
So
if
you
look
at
on,
thank
you,
I'm
in
attendance,
I'm
apologian.
We.
C
We
will
amend
that.
Thank
you
sharon,
so
I've
got
councillor
brooks.
I
Thank
you,
chair
mine,
I'd
just
like
to
raise
the
public
speaking
protocol,
it's
on
on
page
eight
minute
seven,
so
I
just
I
just
like
an
update
as
to
whether
whether
airplane
english
expert
has
given
it
the
once
over
because
from
my
recollection
it
wasn't.
It
wasn't
made
clear
in
the
meeting.
C
Who
would
like
to
respond
to
that?
Is
it
david
again
or
jonathan.
F
I'm
happy
to
have
a
go
chair
if
that's
okay.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
The
issue
of
the
public
speaking
protocol
was
arranged
at
the
the
last,
but
one
joint
plans
panel,
and
then
it
was
brought
again
back
up
at
the
subsequent
one.
By
which
point
the
document
had
been
revised
and
had
been
checked
over
for
plain
english.
F
I
think
some
members
felt
that
it
still
wasn't
sufficiently
clear.
I
think
it
was
partly
because
of
the
the
technical
nature
of
some
of
the
phrases
that
had
to
be
used,
but
we
do
now
include
a
glossary
as
part
of
the
protocol
to
hopefully
allow
the
public
and
others
to
understand
the
types
of
terms
that
are
referred
to
within
the
document.
I
I
mean
if,
if
you
could
send
it
round
again,
that
would
be
really
helpful
just
to
just
to
make
sure
because
yeah,
it's
really
important,
that
the
people
getting
involved
in
the
you
know
the
planning
process
have
all
the
information
like
laid
out
easily
for
them.
So
you
know
it's
a
really
important
part
of
the
you
know
the
democratic
process
really.
Thank
you.
F
J
It's
on
a
similar
point,
chad.
I
think
we
also
discussed
actually
about
general
accessibility,
particularly
to
groups
that
have
communication
problems
as
well,
so
as
well
as
having
it
plain
english,
how
we
look
to
make
sure
that
we
have
adaptations
or
our
vulnerability
adaptations
for
people
that
may
need
it
who
have
autism
and
and
other
barriers
that
might
actually
make
it
very
hard.
J
Because,
again,
you
know
you're,
just
looking
at
things
like
autism,
where
there's
a
massive
range
of
people
in
the
general
population,
many
undiagnosed,
actually
there's
an
overall
accountability
and
accessibility
point.
It's
not
just
about
plain
english.
It's
about
the
entire
accessibility
agenda
to
our
residents.
F
Yes,
that's
perfectly
valid
points.
I
think
it's
probably
a
corporate
issue
for
all
documents.
I
mean
this
is
one
of
many
guidance
protocols
that
we
have
across
the
authority,
not
just
within
planning.
So
it's
certainly
a
point
that
we
would
support
generally,
and
obviously
we
can
raise
that
with
colleagues
that
look
after
those
issues
corporately
as.
C
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
right.
We
are
going
on
to
item
eight
now
the
planning
services
performance
report
and
jonathan,
could
I
ask
you
to
present
this
please.
F
So
just
I'll
just
take
members
through
the
report.
In
summary,
it
sets
out
that
the
previous
full
year
was
quite
a
stable
period
in
terms
of
workloads
and
performance
with
performance
being
maintained.
It's
quite
a
good
level,
but
obviously
the
first
two
quarters
of
this
year
were
severely
disrupted
by
the
pandemic,
with
application
numbers
initially
decreasing,
but
subsequently
picking
up
quite
quickly
after
the
initial
lockdown
period.
F
So
from
june
onwards,
case
numbers
picked
up
very
rapidly,
including
within
the
initial
period
processing
of
new
case
work
and
enforcement
activity
was
extremely
difficult
for
officers,
given
the
national
restrictions
in
place,
so
the
service
has
had
to
rely
heavily
on
electronic
systems,
which
obviously
members
will
be
aware.
It's
included
the
incorporation
of
remote
plans
panels
within
our
work.
So
just
taking
members
through
the
report,
then
it's
on
the
workload
section.
F
That
was
actually
above
the
targets,
but
for
the
current
year
first
half
of
the
year,
it's
significantly
down,
as
maybe
expected.
Well
that's
partly
due
to
the
pandemic,
partly
due
to
the
delayed
introduction
of
higher
pre-application
fees,
which
were
due
to
be
introduced
in
april.
F
The
introduction
was
put
back
to
august,
so
there's
a
further
higher
target
of
250
000
pounds
for
the
whole
year
was
the
requirement
we've
not
been
able
to
achieve
that
as
yet,
which
obviously
impacts
on
the
overall
budget
income
in
terms
of
developer
income
at
3.3,
section
106
income
was
much
lower
than
the
18
million
pounds
for
the
previous
year
and
part
of
that's
due
to
the
timing
of
payments
and
trigger
points
for
larger
scale
developments.
It
can
fluctuate
year
on
year
quite
significantly,
and
then
for
the
first
half
of
this
current
period.
F
It
comes
down
to
176
000
pounds
which
again
slightly
down
to
the
impact
of
the
pandemic
in
terms
of
sale
contributions.
We
received
six
million
pounds
for
the
last
full
year
with
the
funds
directed
to
education,
as
it's
become
the
normal
pattern,
but
also
this
particular
time
included
flood
alleviation
in
terms
of
the
construction
industry
industry.
Overall,
it
led
to
significant
difficulties
from
march
onwards
in
terms
of
on-site
delivery,
which
has
led
to
deferred
development
of
payments
of
sill
for
small
and
medium-sized
businesses.
F
So
just
moving
on
to
decision
making
3.4
numbers
coming
into
the
authority
were
roughly
the
same
as
the
previous
year,
but
there
was
a
big
drop,
obviously
in
the
first
two
quarters
of
the
current
year
and
initially
as
said
before,
applications
couldn't
be
progressed
because
of
the
restrictions
and
by
the
time
the
first
lockdown
ended
numbers
had
picked
up
dramatically.
So
there
was
a
backlog
of
casework
and
speedy
speed
of
decisions
was
it
did
fall
off
quite
significantly
as
well
during
that
period.
F
Turning
to
the
work
of
plans
panels
for
2019
to
20,
there
are
74
decisions
made
by
panels,
along
with
other
pre-application
presentations
and
position
statements
considered
and
as
we
know,
since
april
panels
are
remote
operated
remotely,
but
under
the
same
constitutional
rules
with
the
number
of
members
and
composition
of
panels
remaining
the
same
in
the
first
two
quarters
of
this
year,
20
decisions
have
been
taken
by
panel
and,
as
members
know,
initially
panels
were
kept
to
one
item
per
panel,
but
in
recent
months
that's
increased,
as
this
wave
operator
has
become
more
familiar
and
we've
been
able
to
resurrect
business
panels
with
the
table.
F
If
you
look
at
3.5.2
that
shows
that
in
2019
to
2020
from
the
74
decisions
taken,
five
were
against
officer
recommendation
with
two
being
dismissed.
One
appeal
upheld
and
the
other
is
still
outstanding,
and
in
the
six
months
up
to
the
end
of
september
this
year,
we've
had
one
decision
against
the
recommendation
out
of
the
20
that
were
considered
so
just
looking
at
appeals
at
3.6
number
of
appeals
for
the
full
period.
F
F
We
actually
resolved
and
closed
more
cases
than
we'd
received,
with
ongoing
caseload
dropping
to
858,
which
is
well
below
the
thousand
upper
limits
that
we
set
ourselves,
which
is
the
lowest
for
several
years.
F
Performance
on
timeliness
of
visits
was
similar
to
the
previous
year,
probably
since
april,
with
the
lockdown
prohibition
initially
on
site
visits
and
staff
absences,
that's
massively
impacted
on
performance,
so
the
numbers
of
new
cases
coming
into
the
authority
that
are
outstanding,
as
has
picked
up
quite
markedly.
F
Just
on
3.7.6
that
table
should
read
2019
stroke,
20.,
that's
just
a
slight
error
there
I
think,
and
that
shows
465
of
the
cases
were
found
to
involve
no
breach
across
the
whole
reporting
period.
That
11
of
cases
were
found
to
involve
very
minor
breaches
of
control
and
in
june
to
september
of
this
year,
number
of
closed
cases
has
increased
markedly.
F
So
that's
quite
a
significant
achievement,
but
obviously,
looking
at
the
first
two
quarters
of
this
year,
with
the
lack
of
visits
and
the
inability
to
carry
out
visits,
it's
had
led
to
a
very
significant
impact
on
our
ability
to
serve
formal
notices.
So
far,
I'm
just
looking
at
complaints
at
3.8
you'll
see.
The
number
of
new
complaints
was
significantly
down
from
the
previous
full
year
by
about
a
quarter
and
that
downward
trend
carried
on
into
the
first
two
quarters
of
the
current
year.
F
Looking
at
ombudsman
cases,
there
were
five
where
fault
was
found,
issues
were
around
communication,
wording
of
standard
conditions
and
reminders
have
been
issued
to
officers
about
processes
and
consultation
documentation
as
well,
so
we're
covering
off
any
issues
that
arise
from
from
the
ombudsman
just
quickly.
Turning
to
section
4
on
staffing
on
the
planning
application
case
officer
side,
the
staffing
was
relatively
stable
during
the
initial
full
year
period
since
april,
there's
been
a
number
of
instances
of
long-term
sickness
due
to
the
impact
of
carvings
and
other
restrictions.
F
Since
the
april
again,
we've
had
covered
related
absences
of
staff
and
some
staff
reallocated
to
other
duties
to
help
with
the
council's
tackling
of
the
pandemic,
which
has
impacted
on
the
ability
to
to
resolve
case
work
going
forward
just
moving
on
to
service
improvement.
Work
then,
certainly,
prior
to
the
pandemic,
we
had
launched
into
quite
a
number
of
service
improvements.
F
One
example
was
the
engagement
with
the
customer
base
of
household
applications,
so
it's
the
agents
that
we
met
in
march
with
new
processes
introduced
and
discussed
at
that
meeting
and
in
terms
of
officer
training
and
help
and
improvements
set
up.
The
introduction
of
a
climate
change,
climate
emergency
steering
office.
F
K
C
Background
noise.
I
wonder
if
I
could
ask
colleagues
to
just
check
if,
if
they're
muted,
because
we're
getting
some
chattering
going
on
in
the
background-
and
it's
just
slightly
distracting.
F
F
C
F
F
F
The
report
refers
to
the
new
sharepoint
site,
that's
been
developed
for
members.
It
brings
together
useful
information
and
access
to
guidance
just
in
one
place.
F
This
has
been
further
developed
over
the
next
few
months
to
act
as
a
self-service
point
for
members,
and
it
will
also
include
detailed
information
on
section
106
contributions
as
well,
which
is
often
asked
for
so
following
on
from
the
agent's
conference
back
in
march
that
I
mentioned,
we've
adopted
a
protocol
for
dealing
with
householder
applications
to
try
and
streamline
that
process
and
to
ensure
that
time
spent
on
each
household
application
is
proportionate
to
that
type
of
submission.
F
The
agents
were
largely
agreeable
to
this
actually,
and
it
helps
to
provide
them
with
more
certainty
as
to
the
approach
that
will
be
adopted
and
ultimately
to
quicker
decision
making,
but
without
reducing
the
quality
of
the
decisions
made,
which
is
reflected
in
the
appeals
record,
which
we'll
come
on
to
just
looking
at
the
challenges,
then
at
section
6.
F
An
external
review
was
carried
out
over
the
summer
period
and
that
highlighted
two
main
areas
for
consideration.
Those
were
potential
improvements
to
existing
systems
and
processes
to
modernize.
How
we
deal
with
planning
processes
and
try
and
wherever
possible,
digitize
them,
but
also
to
look
at
the
decision
making
process
and
the
governance
of
decision
making
to
try
and
reduce
the
resources
input
to
panels
again,
the
intention
is
to
maintain
performance
and
delivery,
but
at
a
reduced
cost
base.
F
So
the
digital
agenda
will
be
further
developed
with
lessons
learnt
from
the
current
working
conditions
since
the
end
of
september.
Since
the
end
of
the
reporting
period
talked
about
here,
we've
actually
seen
a
number
of
senior
staff
retiring
experienced
staff,
so
we
do
have
an
immediate
challenge
of
workloads
and
resourcing
to
to
take
account
of
prior
to
the
full
review.
Taking
effect
we've
mentioned
here,
the
the
white
paper,
which
I'm
sure
many
members
will
be
aware
of
planning
for
the
future,
which
is
widely
described.
F
We
do
expect
it
to
evolve
and
change
quite
markedly,
actually
as
it
progresses,
but
it
will
still
no
doubt
still
result
in
a
fundamental
shift
to
the
planning
system
overall,
which
would
clearly
impact
on
us
as
a
service.
The
council's
response
to
the
white
paper
is
attached
to
appendix
one
for
members
interest.
F
Stats
6.2.1
there's
a
spelling
mistake,
it
should
say
codes
and
not
cods.
I
think
at
that
point
just
to
point
that
out
6.3
that
summarizes
the
issues
that
I've
talked
about
in
terms
of
resourcing
and
budgets
explains
the
delays
to
implementation
of
the
higher
pre-app
fees
and
the
pressure
on
existing
budgets
and
sets
out.
There
needs
to
be
changes
in
the
way
the
services
delivered
to
ensure
that
we
are
meeting
our
statutory
obligations
and
requirements
and
also
to
generate
income.
That's
needed
to
keep
the
service
going
forward
in
the
future.
F
So,
just
really
to
conclude
just
to
say
that
the
performance
of
development
management
does
remain
good,
but
budget
challenges
and
issues
stemming
from
the
pandemic
have
created
a
backlog
of
case
work
both
in
plenty
applications
and
compliance,
which
has
meant
it's
been
a
very
challenging
period.
For
the
last
six
months.
F
At
least,
the
focus
is
on
maintaining
the
quality
of
output
for
planning
decisions
and
in
compliance
and
ensuring
that
we
do
remain
sort
of
policy
compliant
with
our
decision
making,
but
also
have
a
half
a
an
eye
on
ensuring
that
we
are
contributing
to
the
climate.
Emergency
concerns.
F
And
just
again,
to
reiterate
to
do
this,
we
will
need
to
to
conduct
a
review
which,
which
introduces
changes
to
how
we
operate
as
a
service
and
bearing
in
mind
the
government's
proposals
for
changing
planning
in
the
future
in
the
not
too
distant
future.
F
Thank
you
chair.
Hopefully
that
was
a
bit
of
a
long
run
through,
but
relatively
short,
compared
to
the
length
of
the
report
itself.
C
C
That
explains
it.
Thank
you
very
much
jonathan
and
secondly,
I
have
had
a
signal
on
my
screen
to
say
that
my
signal,
my
connection
is
weak,
so
councillor
mckenna
be
on
the
lookout.
If
I,
if
I
disappear,
you
may
be
needed
and
if
that
does
happen,
I
will
go
and
sit
next
to
peter's
screen
and
therefore
will
still
be
present.
C
Okay,
so
can
I
invite
comments,
questions,
points
of
view
or
anything
else
on
this
report,
please
from
members
I've
got
councillor
nash
first,.
L
Right,
elizabeth
nash,
hansel
and
riverside
on
page
27,
you've
only
just
mentioned
it
about
the
planning
white
paper
and
we
have
prepared
a
response
anyway.
But
what
about
the
local
government
association
they
like
to
get
involved
with
things
like
that?
Have
we
contacted
them
and
I'm
quite
sure
they
would
want
to
speak
on
behalf
of
all
local
authorities.
L
H
Thank
you
counselor.
Now,
it's
just
to
confirm.
Yes,
yes,
we
are
in
touch
with
the
lga.
There's
been
a
few
practitioners
groups
that
we've
sat
on
in
response
to
various
topics
along
the
way,
so
we
are
plugging
into
the
lga
and
raising
our
concerns
through
that
through
that
route.
Just
to
reassure
you.
C
E
Thanks
chair
bramley
and
stanley
ward,
I
don't
think
I
introduced
myself
last
time,
so
forgive
me
for
that
yeah
just
on
page
23
or
2223
about
the
cases
enforcement
cases
and
there's
a
referral
to
the
members
award
updates,
which
are
really
helpful.
But
there
is
something
lacking
with
those
which
I'd
like
to
put
on
record
and
corrected.
E
We
don't
always
get
updates
when
cases
are
closed,
so
I
noticed
cases
just
disappeared
off
subsequent
updates
without
any
confirmation
that
they've
been
closed
and
it
helps
us
to
keep
a
track
on
things
if,
if
we're
updated,
rather
than
having
to
go,
look
for
information
about
specific
cases.
E
F
Yes,
thank
you
joe.
It's
certainly
something
we'll
go
and
have
a
look
at
and
see
how
easy
it
is
to
do
that
and
with
the
mind
to
ensuring
that
members
are
informed.
Is
it
cases
where
members
have
shown
a
particular
interest
or
generator
themselves
already
all
cases
that
you'd
be
interested
in
knowing
well.
E
C
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
councillor
collins.
Please.
A
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
councillor,
collins,
horseforth
ward,
I
think
I
failed
to
announce
myself
last
time
as
well.
There
doesn't
seem
to
be
any
detail
in
here
about
enforcement
and
prosecutions
regarding
tpos
and
works
to
trees
in
conservation
areas.
I
I
assume
it's
just
lumped
in
with
all
of
the
other
numbers,
but
is
there
any
way
that
we
could
get
detail
about
what
the
council
is
doing
regarding
protecting
our
mature
trees?
A
I
was
quite
disappointed.
The
other
day
when
I
was
talking
to
quite
an
active
member
of
our
community,
and
he
actually
said
he
wouldn't
bother
reporting
anyone
damn
doing
damage
to
trees
anymore,
because
the
council
was
very
ineffective
that
wasn't
quite
his
wording
but
ineffective
at
taking
things
forward
and
doing
anything
about
it
and
the
council
appeared
not
to
care
so
there
were.
The
officers
would
like
to
comment
on
that
and
let
us
know
if
there's
some
more
further
detail.
I
can
give
us
regarding
the.
F
Yes,
thank
you
through
you
chair
again.
Thank
you.
F
Yeah
I
mean
it's
certainly
something
that
we
could
look
to
supply,
maybe
an
item
for
our
sharepoint
site
just
to
keep
members
up
to
date
on
the
live
situation
with
numbers
of
cases
but
sort
of
in
relation
to
trees
or
other
types
of
breach.
F
C
Thank
you,
councillor,
mckenna.
K
Thank
you
chair.
Can
I
start
by
saying
an
excellent
report,
jonathan
very
easy,
to
follow
and
understand.
Thank
you
for
that.
My
not
concerned,
but
I'd
like
to
highlight
five.
Two
members
training
five,
two
one
five
two
point:
one
we
haven't
had
members
training
for
a
long
time
and
now
that
we're
efficient
and
that's
probably
too
big
of
work,
but
usually
we
function
online.
It
does
seem
to
me
that
there
are
some
counselors
who've,
probably
only
had
one
training
session
and
that's
a
a
good
time
ago.
K
F
Yes,
as
I
said,
we
did
have
a
quite
a
full
program
for
the
last
year
prior
to
the
pandemic,
but,
given
that
things
embedded
in
in
terms
of
electronic
working,
I
think
it's
probably
something
we
can
seek
to
reintroduce.
F
C
Yeah,
I
do
agree
with
that
point:
on
training.
We've
we've
had
compulsory
training
in
previous
years,
so
we
must
be
overdue.
Some
of
that
compulsory
training
that
keeps
us
up
to
date
with
the
planning
framework,
etc.
So,
yes,
I
would
also
urge
that
we
we
get
on
with
a
session
or
two
of
those
important
briefings.
G
Chair,
thank
you
very
much.
I
echo
the
comments
about
the
excellence
of
the
report
very
readable.
I
hope
sufficiently
plain
english
for
everybody,
but
it's
a
good
report.
My
first
comment
is
on
para613
item
two.
G
G
You
know
we
should
look
at
the
cut-off
point
very
carefully
and
there
should
always
be
a
mechanism
where
ward
members
who
are
not
part
of
the
planning
process
and
that's
most
of
the
council
and
you're
defending
their
right
here,
not
just
your
own
right
most
of
the
council.
The
only
access
to
panel
is
quite
often
through
an
appeal
mechanism
of
wanting
to
get
things
to
come
to
panel,
so
I
would
jealously
guard
the
fact
that
we
need
to
have
those
controversial.
G
Those
topical
items
still
come
to
panel,
and
the
second
comment
I
would
like
to
make
is
on
the
planning
white
paper.
G
I
recognize
again
it's
all
additional
work,
but
some
of
this
work
you'll
have
done
for
the
executive
member
for
plans,
chairs,
you've
got
three
plants
panels
and
we
could
have
actually
had
a
better
feel
and
a
better
response
from
if
I
call
us
rank
and
file
members
of
plants
panels
than
we've
been
able
to
have.
So
please
accept
these
as
a
constructive
criticisms,
if
you
wish,
because
overall,
as
you
know,
I
think
you
do
a
tremendous
job
on
these
statistics
bear
that
out
and
thank
you
very
much
for
all.
You
do
do.
H
Well
I'll
pick
up
the
point,
a
couple
of
points
chair.
If
I
may
I
mean
on
on
the
work
of
the
panels,
I
mean
clearly,
we
are
looking
at
our
work
streams
in
in
the
round
in
terms
of
the
the
volume
of
material
coming
through
the
system
and
our
back
office
systems
to
try
and
make
that
as
efficient
as
possible,
and
we're
certainly
not
seeking
to
prevent
opportunities
for
items
to
go
to
panel
to
have
the
the
rigorous
discussion
that
we've
been
used
to.
H
I
think
the
work
we're
talking
about
is
looking
at
the
systems
end
to
end
to
find
out
where
the
efficiencies
lie
and
also
enable
us
to
free
up
some
capacity
within
the
service
to
help
with
the
the
income
generation
work,
which
is
what
we
need
to
do
in
terms
of
meeting
our
income
targets.
So
that's
sort
of
the
context
for
that
particular
point.
In
terms
of
the
consultation,
I
mean
it's
a
fair
comment
that
councillor
gruen
has
made
about
sort
of
the
dissemination
of
responses.
H
I
think,
just
by
way
of
context
here
I
mean
we're
in
a
period
where
there's
been
a
flurry
of
government
announcements
and
consultation
documents,
some
changes
have
just
been
introduced
without
any
consultation.
Some
changes
have
been
induced
proposed
with
fairly
short
consultation
periods,
and
other
changes
have
been
run
out
over
a
longer
period.
So
so
you
know
we
are
trying
to
keep
up
with
the
announcements
and
the
changes
coming
through,
but
you
know
we
can
circulate
responses
more
widely.
If
that
would
be
helpful
where
they've
been
prepared.
Chair.
C
I
think
we
would
find
that
helpful.
I'm
just
looking
around
to
see
if
people
are
nodding,
but
I
think
we
would
people
who
haven't
had
exposure
to
that
information
would
would
find
that
useful
peter.
Do
you
want
to
come.
G
Back
well,
thank
you
for
saying
that
I
clearly
do
think
it
is
informative,
but
you
might
also
actually
in
all
humility.
You
might
pick
up
some
ideas
and
comments
from
other
planning
members
that
hadn't
surfaced
by
then.
G
On
the
first
point,
I
recognize
from
everything
you
say
very
diplomatically,
about
planning
resources
and
the
unprecedented
position
the
council
is
in,
but
the
answer
is
is
not
to
take
less
for
public
scrutiny.
G
I
think
that's
the
point,
I'm
making
improve
efficiency
and
all
that
yes,
of
course,
but
member
involvement
actually
is
part
of
the
integrity
and
the
conscience
of
our
planning
system,
and
we
do
very
well
in
leeds,
and
so
let's
keep
that
up.
C
Yesterday,
okay,
thank
you,
so
I've
noticed
jonathan's
put
his
hand
up.
Is
it
on
this
item?
Jonathan
because
I
do
have
councillor
jenkins
waiting,
sorry
encounters.
J
J
Until
I
read
paragraph
5.3,
I
wasn't
aware
that
we
had
this
sharepoint
facility,
so
I
wouldn't
have
thought
I'd,
be
the
only
person
who
doesn't
so
it
might
be
a
worthwhile
having
a
training
course
as
to
how
we
can
use
it
and
how
we
can
make
best
use
of
it.
So
the
officers
that
are
putting
stuff
on
can
see
the
benefits
and
we
can
understand
the
benefits
of
it.
Thank
you.
F
Yes,
that's
certainly
something
I'll
share
with
helen
who's,
largely
put
together
this
piece
of
work
and
I'm
sure
she'd
be
more
than
happy.
If
members
were
made
much
more
aware
of
the
benefits
that
it
can
bring.
C
C
K
Hi,
it's
councillor
david
jenkins,
from
killingbeck
and
seacroft.
This
is
a
maybe
another
item
for
training.
K
Maybe
it
needs
updating,
because
a
lot
of
the
time
with
developments,
it
seems
to
be
insecure
by
design
or
unsecured
by
design,
so
issues
like
having
chicanes
and
to
stop
motorbikes
going
through
estates
and
traffic
calming
measures
and
so
on.
So
I
think
I
wonder
if
we
could
have
some
sort
of
discussion
with
the
police
and
new
developments
where
people
have
experience
of
these
issues.
C
F
Just
to
say
it's
a
very
good
suggestion
which
we
can
explore
with
the
architectural
laser
officer
and
bring
forward
yeah.
Thank
you.
C
Okay,
I
don't
see
any
more
hands
at
the
moment.
Is
there
anybody
else
wishing
to
speak
before
we
move
on?
I
just
have
one
comment,
actually
david
or
jonathan,
and
that's
at
733
on
the
climate
emergency.
C
It
actually
says
there
are
no
direct
implications
for
this
report,
but
this
report
is
reporting
on
a
year's
work
and
we've
done
a
lot
of
work
on
climate
emergency
in
terms
of
policy
development,
training,
discussion,
presentations
and
I
would
have
given
the
significance
of
the
issue
I
I
would
have
expected
actually
that
there
would
have
been
climate
change
reference
in
this
report.
H
Thank
you.
Chair
can
come
back
on
that.
I
I
don't
think
that's
very
good
drafting.
Is
it
the
way
it's
been
presented?
I
think
earlier
in
the
report,
it
does
describe
the
work
we're
leading
on
in
terms
of
the
cross
service
work
in
terms
of
taking
forward
the
climate
emergency,
which
is
higher
up
the
report.
H
I
think
the
intention
of
how
how
it's
explained
in
733
is,
I
think,
it's
about
performance
in
in
the
the
general
sense
of
of
the
throughput
of
work
and
those
issues
rather
than
the
policy
issues
per
se,
but
perhaps
it
could
be
stronger
there
to
make
those
links.
So
that's
something
we
can
look
up
for
next
time.
C
Yeah.
Thank
you
very
much
indeed.
Thank
you.
I
haven't
seen
any
more
hands
go
up
on
this
issue,
so,
unless
you'd
like
to
make
any
final
comments,
jonathan,
we
can
move
on
to
the
next
item.
C
Can
we
note
the
report,
then
please
members,
that's
the
recommendation.
I'll
take
silence
as
a
as
agreement
to
that.
Thank
you
agenda.
Item
nine,
we're
on
the
buildings
at
risk
item.
I
can
see
that
phil
is
in
attendance.
So
can
I
hand
it
over
to
you
phil?
Please
sorry,
I
should
have
said
we
have,
since
the
publication
of
this
report
had
an
update
on
tower
works,
which
I
think
you're
going
to
take
into
account
in
your
presentation.
M
Yes,
I
am
yes
thank
you,
and-
and
thank
you
thank
you
and,
and
thanks
for
asking
me
to
introduce
the
annual
report
on
buildings
at
risk.
Just
a
reminder:
a
building
at
risk
is
a
list
of
building
at
risk,
from
neglect
and
declave
from
neglect
and
decay,
rather
than
at
risk
from
alteration,
and
the
global
picture.
Global
picture
is
that
there
are
112
buildings
at
risk.
M
The
the
buildings
at
risk
are
in
the
register
at
the
back
of
the
report,
which
represents
point
four
percent
of
the
just
short
of
two
and
a
half
thousand
listed
buildings
in
the
city.
M
Four
buildings
at
risk
have
been
removed
from
the
register
that
they're
in
the
they're
in
the
appendix
at
the
back
of
the
report,
because
they've
been
repaired
and
that
concert
no
longer
to
be
at
risk
and
I'll
go
I'll
go
over
a
few
of
those
later
on.
Three
listed
buildings
have
been
added
to
the
register.
M
This
is
almost
certainly
an
underestimation
of
the
number,
because
our
intelligence
is
largely
based
on
site
visits
and
we've
almost
stopped
doing
site
visits
during
the
pandemic.
So
I
think
the
true
picture
will
be
that
that
a
few
more
mr
buildings
have
become
at
risk
since
the
last
report.
M
Unfortunately,
the
council
owns
15
building
buildings
at
risk,
which
is
disproportionate,
so
that's
to
say
that
the
council
owns
disproportionately
too
many.
Mr
buildings,
15
buildings
at
risk
is
16.8
percent
of
the
total
112
buildings
at
risk,
but
the
the
council
doesn't
own
16.8
of
this
to
buildings,
so
the
council's
performing
some.
It
isn't
good.
On
that,
I
will
go
the
end
of
this
introduction.
I
will
go
into
what
the
council
is
doing
about
that.
M
I'm
often
asked
when
I
present
these
reports
about
owners
liabilities
in
relation
to
this
to
buildings
and
and
keeping
them
in
good
repair.
There
is
actually
no
liability
on
owners
to
keep
their
buildings
in
good
repair.
M
M
But,
of
course
we
we
need
a
budget
to
do
that,
and
you
know
money
is
hard
to
come
back
come
by
at
the
moment
and
we
haven't
served
any
bill
bill
at
risk
notices
since
the
last
report
I'll
come
and
come
on
to
the
particulars
now
and
talk
about
some
individual
buildings
at
risk.
The
big
three.
This
is
a
term.
That's
been
banded
around
for
quite
a
few
years.
These
are
the
buildings
at
risk
that
we've
focused
most
of
our
attention
on,
and
you
know
it
is
a.
M
It
is
a
action
by
the
whole
council
to
do
something
about
these
buildings
and-
and
they
are
the
first
white
cloth
hall,
there's
a
picture
of
that
at
the
back
of
the
report
and
anybody
who
goes
down
there
on
kerger
kergate
I'd
recommend
it
can
see
what
has
happened
and
I
think
you'll
be
you'll,
be
surprised
since
that
photograph
was
taken.
Things
have
moved
on
quite
a
lot
and
we're
expecting
that
that
building
will
be
finished
march
april
next
year,
which
will
be
great
news.
M
Hunslet
mill.
The
first
phase
is,
is
complete
and
please
do
go
down
there
and
have
a
look.
You'll
see
the
great
progress
and
the
developer
is
about
to
start
on
phase
two,
which
includes
the
magnificent
grade.
Two
stylistic
building
against
the
canal,
the
the
other,
the
other
one
to
mention
is,
is
tower
works
and,
as
council
grew
and
said,
I'd
like
to
say
a
bit
more
about
that.
If
you,
if
you
went
down
there,
you
probably
think
nothing's
happening,
nothing
is
happening.
M
Well,
that
is
not
the
case
since
cg
bought
the
building.
Three
years
ago,
they've
invested
approximately
3.5
million
pounds
on
repairs.
M
In
fact,
they've
just
installed
some
room
flights
which
which
involve
craning
them
in
from
adjoining
land
and
there's
been
continuing
investigation
to
work
out
how
to
get
to
the
point
where
it's
safe
to
get
inside
it's
structurally
complex,
but
I
think
I
think
we
understand
it
now
to
to
go
out
and
and
get
a
contractor
to
do
some
further
works,
which
will
cost
about
five
million
pounds
just
to
get
to
that
whole
point.
So
we
can
get
inside
and
do
further
work
and
eventually
stabilize
the
building.
M
You
may
have
read
that
the
chance
of
exchequer
has
dedicated
25
million
pounds
to
the
repair
of
this
building
to
establish
the
british
library
for
the
north,
which
would
be
absolutely
fantastic.
M
So
just
going
on
again
about
some
some
specifics
majestic
there's
a
picture
of
the
back
of
the
report.
You
probably
all
know
you
might
have
seen
that
that
has
been
complete.
It
will
be
the
headquarters
for
channel
4.
this
time
last
year.
It
was
still
a
building
at
risk,
and
it's
you
know
what
we've
achieved.
There
is
absolutely
fantastic:
a
great
blending
of
new
and
old,
which
I'm
very
proud
of
the
two
buildings
at
risk.
At
cockroach
hospital
have
been
repaired
for
residential
use.
One
is
an
extra
care
facility.
M
M
Hyroids
has
been
finished,
it's
been
a
long
journey
and
all
all
of
the
listed
building
is
now
occupied
and
another
lupton
on
heading
the
lane.
If
you
drive
past
now,
you'll
see
that
there's
a
scaffold
up
and
works
underway
to
remove
the
graffiti
and
carry
out
weather
proofing
and
removal
of
dry
rot.
M
So
that's
a
great
step
forward
since
last
year
mount
saint
mary's.
There
was
a
position
paper
to
members
a
few
weeks
ago
and
we'll
be
coming
back.
I
think
for
the
application
to
be
determined,
and
hopefully
that
will
deliver
a
new
residential
development
in
a
building
risk
that
needs
a
new
use,
st
john's
round,
a
that's
on
the
market
and
hopefully
we'll
we'll
get
a
new
a
new
occupy
for
that
building.
M
Stonebridge
mills
workers
started
on
that
one
and
the
the
repair
of
the
listed
building
is
tied
to
the
residential
development,
I.e,
there's
a
break
point
and
after
which
they'll
have
to
have
finished
the
refurbishment
of
this,
the
building,
which
is
what
we
did
at
cook,
reach
hospital.
M
They
could
only
build
out
75
percent
of
the
houses
before
they
repaired
the
list
of
buildings.
So
that's
that's
been
very
successful.
Just
say
a
bit
about
council
owned
buildings,
the
refer
first
annual
report,
which
is
2012.
M
We
had
18
buildings
at
risk
in
council
ownership.
Now
we've
got
16..
I
expect
that
this
will
decrease
with
the
accelerated
disposal
of
council
assets,
so
this
time
next
year,
I
think
that
number
will
have
decreased.
M
On
the
other
hand,
the
budget
that
we
had
to
repair
historic
buildings
is
suspended
because
of
the
council's
financial
pressures,
which
may
lead
to
the
deterioration
of
some
of
the
council's
buildings.
Just
to
conclude,
the
ongoing
survey
of
the
city's
listed
buildings
has
shown
that
the
number
of
buildings
at
risk
has
decreased
since
the
last
report
and
accounts
of
4.4
percent
of
the
two
and
a
half
thousand
buildings
in
the
city.
M
The
council
is
actively
involved
in
the
majority
of
buildings
at
risk,
which
has
resulted
in
four
listed
buildings
being
repaired
and
brought
back
into
use.
Since
the
last
report
in
2019,
intervention
by
the
council
has
been
prioritized,
with
a
focus
on
the
big
three,
where
significant
progress
has
been
made,
the
number
of
council
owned
bills
at
risk
has
remained
largely
the
same
as
2019,
but
the
planned
disposal
of
several
properties
should
show
a
marked
reduction
by
the
next
report
in
2021.
C
I
Councillor
sharon
hamilton,
meanwhile,
the
motown
ward,
just
first
just
a
minor
error
on
3.2.3
mounts
at
mary's.
I
think
it
should
say
1980s
if
you
look
at
the
date
right.
My
question
to
was
regarding
building
at
risk
where,
when
you
said
phil
that
the
owners
that
the
owners
can't
force
them
to
repair
their
buildings,
however,
the
council
can
step
in
and
we
don't
have.
The
funding.
However,
is
it
buildings
that
are
danger
at
risk
to
public
and
safety
that
we
would
repair.
M
Thanks
for
pointing
out
the
error,
it's
amazing,
you
can
reread
these
things
and
still
miss
things
like
that.
It
was
pretty
glaring.
M
M
But
I
didn't
say
I
apologize
yes,
I
mean
the
council
has
various
powers,
there
are
powers
under
the
building
act
which
allows
us
to
step
in
and
make
buildings
safe.
The
powers
we've
got
under
the
listed
building
act
are
distinct
and
allow
us
to
do
a
bit
more
than
than
that.
It
allows
us
to
make
buildings
weatherproof
and
safe
and
also
to
stop
intruders.
So
so
so
the
powers
and
the
listed
building
acts
are
more
extensive
in
combination
because
the
because
the
powers
under
the
listing
act,
don't
won't
necessarily
remove
the
public.
C
K
Thank
you,
chair
councillor,
azga
khan
boom
foster
enrichment
award
on
page
62.
Martinson
mary's
church
is
in
birmingham
rich
middle
of
the
world
award.
I
represent
with
my
two
other
colleagues
and
we
welcome
the
this
building
this
church
back
into
development
back
into
use.
K
But
what
I
feel-
and
my
other
colleagues
feel
is
because
when
we
ask
the
developers
to
bring
the
sites
back
into
use,
we're
giving
in
too
much
there's
no
green
space,
there's
no
sale
money,
there's
no
section
one
or
six
as
well,
and
also
there's
always
sign
developments
taking
place
first
and
that
building
is
left
over
and
they'll
turn
around
and
say.
Sorry,
we
don't
have
a
funds
till
we
get
some
more
funding.
K
The
other
one
is
phil
it's
by
the
way.
It's
brilliant
report
before
we
used
to
have
like
I
saw
sites
as
well.
Within
these
reports
I
saw
sites
had
been
disappeared
and
there
are
some
sites
within
our
worlds
that
are
attracting
and
social
behavior
nuisance,
and
is
there
any
way
we
can
start
enforcing
those
sites
as
well?
Please
yeah.
M
Yeah,
I
mean
sometimes
those
those
eyesores
are
listed
buildings
I
you
know,
I'm
afraid
to
say
other
sites
are
a
bit
beyond
my
remit,
and
I
wonder
whether
david
feeney
would
like
to
comment
on
that
about
isil
isil
sites.
More
generally,
you
know
vacant
sites,
for
instance,.
J
H
I
think
thank
you
chair.
I
think
we
just
need
to
establish
what
what
the
sites
are
and
their
current
status.
It
might
be
their
sites
that
currently
have
a
planning
consent.
That
is,
you
know,
waiting
to
start
or
it
could
be
for
some
other
reasons.
So
I
think
it's
just
understanding
what
the
sites
are,
and
perhaps
the
ownership
of
those
sites
and
understand
if
any
action
is
already
been
taken.
So
I'm
happy
to
have
a
separate
discussion,
counselor
khan
with
you,
if
that
would
be
helpful
on
those
particular
sites.
C
Yes,
and
if
it
would
be
helpful
just
to
say
that
the
iso
site
scheme
was
a
scheme,
I
think
that
preceded
yourself,
david,
certainly
in
your
current
role,
so
you
might
not
have
been
aware
of
it
when
it
when
it
came
up,
but
it
was
a
a
scheme
where
members
were
encouraged
to
identify
sites
that,
were
I
saws
within
their
ward
and
bring
them
to
the
attention
of
the
of
the
planning
group
and
draw
plans
or
aspirations
for
those
sites.
There
were
two
such
in
my
ward.
C
C
C
A
K
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
nice,
stuff,
yeah.
Yes,
sir
david
we've
got
one
site,
it's
in
hair,
hills
and
gibson,
but
it's
looking
to
bench
office
award,
it's
the
compton
road,
compton
arms
probably
used
to
be
what
the
owner's
done
is
demolish
that
pub
and
it's
causing
quite
a
few
onto
social
behavior
and
we've
got
other
partners
working
in
the
area
and
it's
been
working
for
a
long,
long,
long
time,
david,
but
there's
other
sites
as
well.
I'll,
we'll
have
another
conversation
outside
this
meeting.
L
Nash
think
we've
all
got
our
names
under
our
photographs,
so
the
public
could
come
see
who
we
are
that's
right
anyway.
Firstly,
firstly,
a
comment
and,
as
phil
has
alluded
to,
the
best
way
of
preserving
buildings
is
to
have
them
occupied,
and
I
was
going
to
comment
on
that
on
the
previous
report.
L
So
quite
frankly,
I
welcome
the
fact
that
the
council
is
now
trying
to
to
sell
them
because
listed
buildings
which
are
converted
to
housing,
make
very
desirable
and
saleable
properties.
L
Some
of
the
listed
buildings
which
are
in
council
ownership
are
not
buildings,
they're,
small
memorials
and
plaques,
and
I
did
suggest
that
perhaps
local
councillors
may
have
some
local
funds,
maybe
local
ceremony,
that
they
can
use
to
repair
or
or
restore
whatever
it
is.
L
And
thirdly,
I
am
concerned
that
there
are
a
number
of
buildings
about
which
are
not
listed
and
and
they're
not
suffering
any
damage
or,
but
I
I
I
would
like
them
to
be
listed
for
protection
for
their
future,
and
I
noticed,
for
example,
that
on
67
at
the
bottom,
there's
burley
branch
library,
which
is
a
listed
building
in
in
council
ownership,
built
at
the
same
time
and
in
the
same
style,
is
hamslett
library.
L
Now
the
previous
council
wanted
to
pull
it
down
and
we
in
hunslet
stuck
up
for
this
building
and
at
the
time
we
had
some
rats
money
and
we
did
quite
a
bit
of
refurbishment
as
soon
as
labour
took
control.
Again
that
was
one
of
the
first
jobs
that
happened
now.
The
council
has
put
a
lot
of
money
into
consulate
library
and
it
is
a
hub
and
it's
been
beautifully,
restored
and
and
opened
up
it's
a
real
pleasure
to
go
inside,
but
when
it
was
under
threat.
L
I
did
inquire
about
getting
this
building
listed
and
it
was
just
a
blank
wall
all
the
time.
I
would
still
like
that
building
to
be
listed
in
case
some
philistines
take
over
in
the
future
and
have
got
other
plans
for
that
area,
but
I'm
sure
throughout
leeds
there
are
buildings
which
should
be
listed.
They
may
be
of
architectural
or
local
interests,
but
they
should
be
on
the
list
of
listed
buildings.
L
So
that's
all
I
have
to
say,
but
I
I
should
be
glad
of
your
comments
about
the
latter.
Two
things.
M
Yes,
just
just
on
on
on
buildings
that
should
be
listed
listing
is
a
is
administered
by
historic
england
and
they
have
their
criteria
and
the
criteria
really
don't
sort
of
reflect
local
belonging
and
attachment
to
buildings.
So
what
what
we're
doing,
if
you
like,
instead,
are
as
well
as
is
locally
listing
buildings,
we're
putting
together
a
list
of
locally
listed
buildings
right
at
the
beginning
of
that
which
at
least
will
alert
the
planners
if
an
application
is
made
to
demolish
them.
M
They'll
know
that
this
building
is
constant
to
be
locally
listed,
and
that
needs
to
be
weighed
in
the
balance
when
a
decision
is
made
so
we'll
give
them
some
protection
in
the
the
planning
process
and
and
certainly
hund's,
the
library
would
be
one
of
those
locally
listed
buildings.
A
lot
a
lot
of
the
branch
libraries
I
mean,
we've
got
a
great
legacy
of
branch.
M
Libraries
in
needs
all
different
styles,
but
the
ones
that
were
built
in
the
in
the
30s
and
later
in
the
50s
are
fantastic
and
those
that
aren't
aren't
listed
nationally
will
be
on
the
local
list.
L
Yes,
I
I'm
glad
to
hear
that,
but
I
don't
think
it's
quite
good
enough.
Hunslet
library
is
exactly
the
same
style,
the
same
period,
the
same
architecture
as
burley
library
and
yet
burley
library
is
listed
and
hanselt
isn't
and
hunslet.
I
I
I
invite
all
panel
members
to
go
and
visit
it.
It's
absolutely
magnificent,
but
who
knows
what
may
happen
in
the
future?
L
And
I
don't
understand
why
I
barely
got
on
the
list
and
there's
other
libraries
like,
for
example,
compton
road
which
should
be
listed
and
maybe
under
threat.
So
I
don't
understand
why
we
can't
have
this
on
a
national
list.
C
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much
liz
phil.
Are
you
able
to
have
a
a
short
meeting
with
liz
outside
this
meeting
on
that
issue,
specifically
to
do
with
hunslet
I'd.
C
A
Thank
you
chair
a
couple
of
things
now,
I'm
afraid
phil
just
mentioned
the
locally
listed
buildings
plan
it'd
be
nice
if
we
could
have
a
little
bit
information
further
information
about
that
to
delay
to
date,
because
I
think
it's
a
very
good
idea
and
there's
buildings
in
in
our
ward
that
we'd
probably
like
to
go
on
that
list.
So
that's
the
first
point.
The
second
point
is,
which
was
the
main
reason
I
wanted
to
talk.
A
The
buildings
at
risk
register
is
very
helpful,
but
it
leaves
me
asking
more
questions
and
I
just
wondered
when
you
put
a
property
or
an
item
or
whatever
on
the
list.
Is
there
a
report
behind
it
that
actually
says
what
the
officers
are
concerned
about?
A
What
they
think
the
the
issue
is
with
that
building,
because
if
we,
if
we
could
apply
for
some
to
see
the
the
information
behind
those
items,
I
think
it
would
help
us
as
ward
members
to
then
focus
on
that
property
and
if
opportunities
did
come
up
where
we
could
assist
in
taking
off
the
list,
because
we
could
get
some
work
done,
I
think
I'm
sure
we
would
all
do
that.
So
is
there
information
behind
these
reference
numbers
that
we
could
be
copied
in
on?
Please.
M
Yes,
there
is
counsellor
for
for
each
buildings
at
risk.
There's
a
there's,
a
there's,
a
survey
report
that
was
filled
out
when
the
surveyor
went
out
to
to
look
at
the
building
this
this
report,
you
can't
contain
all
that
information
for
obvious
reasons,
because
it
would
go
on
hundreds
of
pages,
but
what
we're
doing
is
is
slowly
uploading
all
that
information
to
the
geographical
information
system,
gis,
which
you
know
will
make
that
information
available
and
also
photographs,
and
also
update
on
repair
and
reuse.
M
J
Just
briefly,
it
was
a
point
that
phil
made
about
paragraph
3.3.3
about
having
to
suspend
the
council
owned
heritage
asset
program
outside
of
this
meeting.
I'm
asking
you
just
now:
can
you
give
me
an
update
on
the
effect
that
this
is
going
to
have
on
the
adult
reformatory
and
to
mr
feeney?
Can
you
get
whichever
planner?
It
is
that's
carrying
out
the
pre-op
discussions
with
the
potential
purchasers
of
the
site
to
give
me
an
update
on
it,
because
if
we
get
the
application
going,
we
won't
need
to
spend
money
on
on
investing
in
it.
J
So
it's
just
we
get
the
balance
right.
It's
not
that
I'm
being
critical,
it's
just
so
that
I
can
understand
where
it
is
because
if
the,
if
the
application
doesn't
go
ahead,
it
will
then
come
on
to
mr
ward
to
protect
it.
If
we
can
get
the
application
going,
it
will
then
fall
to
the
prospective
purchasers
to
get
it
brought
up
to
grade
2
standard
again.
M
Yeah,
yes
I'll
I'll,
follow
up
with
a
with
a
report
that
details
investment
in
the
building
and
we'll
also
include
an
update
on
where
we
are
with
the
planning,
application
and
disposal.
B
Thank
you,
chair
council,
david
blackburn
family
and
we're
going
to
introduce
himself
there's
three
things.
But
firstly,
if
I
can
comment
on
what
council,
unless
we're
talking
about
about
listing
I've
got
to
agree,
agree
with
it.
B
Is
it
there's
sort
of
oddities
when,
when
it
comes
to
listing,
I
can
remember
a
beautiful
villa
house,
the
top
of
the
nail
in
my
ward,
that
that
former
councillor
bedford
and
I
tried
to
get
listed
and
we
were
told:
oh,
we
can't
list
it
because
it
there's
plenty
of
villa
houses
such
as
that
throughout
the
league's
district.
Well,
as
I
said,
that
was
a
a
point
that
could
be
seen
from
huddersfield
railway
line
as
you
were
coming
into
leeds,
you
know
it
was.
B
It
was
gorgeous
and
the
thing
is
is
there's:
there's
inconsistencies
there
and
there's
some
buildings.
It's
probably
at
least
they
shouldn't
make.
So
I've
got
everything
for
it
with
her,
but
going
back
to
report
and
we
mentioned
stonebridge
mill,
I've
got
to
say
I
was
very,
very
happy
to
see
vehicles
going
on
to
the
site
and
making
a
start
the
other
week.
I
know
without
an
update
from
planning
officers
about
how
things
are
moving
forward.
B
I
went
to
a
meeting
with
the
owner
of
stonebridge
mills
some
22
years
ago,
and
I've
been
wanting
something
decent
doing
there
for
all
that
time
and
at
last
we've
got
something
going
and
I
think
when
we
get
that
development,
that's
going
to
enhance
the
area
and
make
strawberries
mills
a
wonderful
building.
B
Once
again,
you
know
that's
that
part
of
our
heritage
and
then
the
third
point
I
wanted
to
mention
was-
and
it's
not
on
the
list,
not
in
the
report
but
I'll
just
sort
of
flag
it
up
at
the
moment
and
could
consume.
Could
we
arrange
to
have
a
meeting
outside
of
this
regarding
family
or
the
former
family
or
methodist
church,
where
my
what
colleagues
have
raised
recently
issues
to
do
with
with
that?
That's
a
listed
building
and
it's
got
a
listed
interior
with
box
pews,
and
there
are
some
serious
concerns
about
that.
C
Lovely
thank
you
very
much
phil.
I
don't
see
any
more
hands.
I
think
that's
a
historic
david
blackburn
hand.
No,
so
can
I
move
us
to
the
recommendation,
which
again
is
just
to
note
the
report
and
I'll
just
take
silence's
agreement
that
we've
we've
noted
it.
C
Thank
you.
So
now
we're
moving
on
to
agenda
item
10,
which
is
the
council
house,
council
housing
growth
programme,
and
this
is
going
to
be
presented
by
mark
denton,
so
mark
it's
it's
over
to
you.
Thanks.
D
Councillor
green,
hopefully
you
can
hear
me
I
I
did
have
some
I.t
problems
earlier,
so
fingers
crossed
everything
will
be
all
right
and
good
afternoon
to
all
the
members.
At
this
meeting,
I'm
matt
denton,
head
of
the
council
housing
growth
service.
I
will
just
give
you
a
very
brief
introduction
to
the
report
which
you've
hopefully
had
a
chance
to
have
a
look
at.
D
I
think
I
hope
it's
a
good
update
in
terms
of
the
program
showing
good
progress,
but
identifying
that
this
still
remains
some
major
challenges
ahead
in
terms
of
the
council's
aspirations
to
deliver
a
significant
council
housing
program.
D
The
report
sets
out
the
context
in
which
we
we're
delivering
housing.
Leeds
is
a
very
successful
city
in
terms
of
the
number
of
new
homes
being
built,
but
I
think
there's
a
recognition
that
there
is
a
shortage
in
particular
of
affordable
housing.
So
that's
not
just
the
council
itself,
as
a
direct
provider
contributing
to
that,
but
also
the
work
of
registered
housing
providers
and
then
also
through
the
various
other
channels
in
which
affordable
housing
is
provided.
D
You
know
that
there
is
a
need
to
to
really
do
everything
possible
to
try
and
bring
sites
forward
and
to
to
make
this
that
make
the
program
meet
those
targets.
From
the
report,
you
can
see
that
significant
resources
have
been
committed
since
the
abolition
of
the
cap
on
the
housing
revenue
account
in
2018.
At
that
time
we
were
looking
at
a
program
of
around
350
homes.
We
we're
now,
as
you
can
see
up
to
a
program
which
is
just
over
800
homes.
D
So
it's
taken
some
time
to
actually
get
schemes
to
a
point
where
they're
into
planning
and
on-site,
which
is
fairly
typical
in
terms
of
development
in
an
area
that
we're
looking
to
try
and
accelerate.
But
hopefully
that
you
can
see
is
a
is
a
really
big
level
of
growth
in
a
relatively
short
space
of
time.
D
The
the
the
program
benefits
from
the
multidisciplinary
team
that
we
have
there,
so
we
have
great
support
within
the
widest
city
development
directorate,
but
from
colleagues
that
are
on
the
call
today
in
terms
of
david's
planning
department
and
also
in
terms
of
fill
with
with
the
design
input
that
we
get
from
from
his
team
and
the
the
report.
I've
shared
with
you
today
kind
of
highlights
previous
executive
board
reports
where
progress
has
has
been
reported.
D
D
We're
delivering
800
homes
at
the
moment
are
in
the
process
of
doing
that
as
part
of
that
target.
But
there
is
a
real
shortage
of
land
and
sites,
and
so
you
know
I
I
kind
of
picking
up
on
some
of
the
comments
that
have
been
made
in
on
the
early
reports.
We
we
have
got
a
number
of
larger
sites
that
we're
delivering
at
the
moment,
but
we're
also
looking
as
we
move
into
the
next
year
to
to
see
how
we
can
deliver
some
of
the
smaller,
more
difficult
sites
that
are
there.
D
Most
of
the
sites
we
are
involved
with
are
complex
or
have
significant
regeneration
or
contamination
issues
which
I'm
sure
you're
all
very
familiar
with
against
that
shortage
of
land
and
our
program
targets
we're
still
losing
around
600
homes
each
year
to
the
right
to
buy
program
that
generates
receipts,
but
we're
on
a
very
tight
time
scales
in
terms
of
having
to
commit
those
and
then
being
at
risk
of
of
being
repaid
to
the
government
if
we
don't
commit
them.
So
again,
that's
highlighted
as
a
risk
within
the
report
that's
been
presented
to
you
today.
D
I
appreciate
there's
a
lot
of
issues
and
it's
hard
to
cover
everything,
and
I
don't
want
to
take
up
a
lot
of
members
time.
But
we've
tried
to
highlight
some
of
the
work
we're
doing
to
lead
with
quality
design
put
in
place
in
people.
Thinking
about
the
tenants
and
the
communities
that
the
schemes
are
placed
in
at
the
same
time,
trying
to
do
that
within
affordability
that
looks
at
people's
incomes,
not
just
affordability
in
housing,
allowance
thresholds,
there's
a
bit
about
climate
change
and
biodiversity,
which
again
is
is.
D
It
is
a
great
part
of
the
agenda
and
another
pressure
to
contend
with
when
also
dealing
with
all
the
issues
in
terms
of
kind
of
making
sites
developable
at
higher
standards,
and
we
do
do
our
very
best
to
engage
and
work
with
local
members.
I
know
it's
not
always
easy
and
there's
sometimes
questions
about
where
consultation
ends
and
information
starts,
and
that
may
well
be
an
issue
that
that
is
discussed.
But
there
is
a
ward
memory
engagement
strategy
and
we
work.
D
last
couple
of
things.
There
are
a
number
of
risks
that
are
listed
at
para,
4.6
that
they
are
challenges
to
any
development
program,
we're
no
different
from
anybody
else.
But
hopefully
members
can
see
that
you
know
if
you
look
at
the
balance
in
the
table,
which
sets
out
the
800
units.
More
and
more
of
those
schemes
are
heading
into
planning
or
will
be
on
site
during
2021
onwards.
So
I
I'll
stop
at
that
point,
a
chair
and
and
if
there's
any
questions
or
comments
that
members
wish
to
make.
C
Thank
you
very
much,
marco,
a
very
useful,
helpful
insight
into
the
development
of
that
programme.
Just
looking
at
hands,
councillor
nash
and
then
councillor
richie
wants
to
come
in
councillor
nash.
First,
please.
L
All
right,
thank
you.
Yes,
it
was
a
very
helpful
report
and
I
certainly
will
be
making
use
of
it.
But
for
years
now,
instead
of
talking
about
houses,
we
talk
about
housing,
our
homes
and,
as
we
know,
developers
love
to
build
flats
because
they
can
make
more
money
from
flats
and
there
is
a
great
shortage
of
houses
for
families.
L
So
I
wonder
if
you
could
look
at
that,
please
and
and
identify
how
many
require
houses
compared
with
how
many
desire
flats-
and
I
think,
you'll-
find
that
not
many
people
ask
for
flats.
D
Mark
yeah
yeah,
we
we
work
very
cl
closely
with
with
our
housing
management
colleagues
to
to
decide
on
the
the
best
mix
within
each
scheme.
Planning
as
well
sets
parameters
in
terms
of
local
needs.
That
should
be
addressed
to
try
and
ensure
we,
we
produce
a
balanced
place,
and
I
have
to
say
that
the
majority
of
the
schemes
that
we
look
at
have
a
big
component
on
family
housing.
D
There
are
sites
that
are
more
challenging,
they're,
quite
often
smaller,
where
we
we
often
look
at
a
higher
density
solution
in
order
to
actually
get
the
sites
developed,
because
a
small
number
of
houses
doesn't
kind
of
help.
We
it's
very
difficult
to
achieve
an
economically,
financially
viable
scheme
on
those
sites,
and
the
choice
could
potentially
then
be
that
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
develop
them
at
all
in
every
area.
We
we
work
with
with
housing
and
we
when
we
do
produce
the
statistics,
and
we
can
do
that.
D
But
there
is
a
a
very
large
number
of
single
person
and
small
household
demand
across
the
city.
So
whilst
we
won't
be
building
just
lots
of
high
density
schemes,
we
are
certainly
looking
at
high
density
schemes
as
well,
because
we
do
need
to
maximize
the
the
the
assets
that
we
we
can
obtain.
But
we
always
try
and
work
both
with
housing
management
and
with
local
members
around
achieving
a
balance
and
the
right
scheme.
But
viability
is,
is
a
major
concern.
L
Well,
you
may
say
I'm
glad
to
hear
you
say
that,
but
that
has
not
been
our
experience
in
the
past.
In
fact,
when
a
new
estate
was
built
in
hanslat,
it
meant
clearing
away
flats
which
which
had
fallen
into
disrepair,
because
elderly
people
didn't
want
them
anymore
and
to
build
a
more
high
density.
Housing.
L
Fine.
But
my
colleagues
and
I
had
a
devil
of
a
job
to
reduce
the
number
of
flats
which
were
proposed
and
we
we
couldn't
get
it
fully
housing.
We
still
had
to
take
some
flats
whether
we
wanted
them
or
not,
but
we
we
did
have
quite
a
fight
to
get
more
houses
built
on
the
site.
L
So
I'm
glad
to
hear
what
you're
saying,
but
I
I
I'm
a
bit
skeptical
whether
you
do
take
into
account
ward
members
comments,
I'm
sorry
about
that,
but
that
that's
the
fact
and
that
and
that's
experience
and
I'm
still
having
a
discussion
only
on
a
very
small
site,
but
there's
a
proposal
to
bill
flats
and
I
want
houses,
but
because
you
can
build
more
flats,
then
that
it's
going
to
be
flats,
whether
we
want
them
or
not,
and
as
a
as
a
member
I
have
never
ever
been
asked.
Apart
from
once
on.
L
C
D
Okay,
councillor
growing
up
I'm
happy
to
provide
a
breakdown
of
of
the
program
so
far
in
terms
of
the
mix
between
houses
and
flats.
I'm
happy
to
provide
that
because
it
will
show
that
the
substantial
number
of
new
homes
we're
producing
are
family
homes,
we're
also
meeting
the
needs
in
terms
of
m43
and
and
fully
wheelchair
compliant
properties,
sometimes
in
addition
to
policy
requirements.
C
Yep,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
and
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
circulate
what
you're
referring
to
and
then
members
can
pick
it
up
with
you
outside
the
meeting
if
they
wish
to
continue
that
discussion.
So
thank
you
very
much
indeed,
councillor
richie.
E
Thanks
chair
yeah,
I've
got
two
points,
the
first
one
and
it
might
be
more
for
the
planning
offices
david
on
our
sort
of
strategy.
E
E
I've
got
a
really
question
why
I
know
there's
special
circumstances
and
you
argue
it's
to
bring
a
listed
building
back
or
lack
of
viability,
etc,
etc.
But
I'm
not
sure
it's
the
right
approach.
When
you
look
at
23
000
on
our
housing
list
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
you
can
use
the
same
arguments
as
to
why
we
need
to
build
these
in
a
city
in
the
generally
inner
city
sites.
E
The
same
arguments
extrapolated
from
the
urban
experience
where
we've
taken
those
green
belt
sites
out
because
we've
got
in
excess
of
a
five-year
land
supply
so,
in
other
words,
we're
not
under
pressure
to
build
on
these
inner
city
sites
either.
E
I
just
want
clarification
on
the
new
bills,
because
I
believe
we
only
get
a
third
of
our
receipt
back
to
build
new
houses,
but
on
the
new
properties
without
15
years
built
in
protection.
Does
that
give
us
full
cost
recovery
of
the
new
builds?
It's
not
just
a
third.
Is
it
that's?
What
I'm
getting
at!
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
Council
richie,
I
mean
just
on
the
overall
strategy.
I
mean
just
to
reassure
you
and
the
other
members.
I
mean
the
delivery
of
affordable
housing
remains
a
very,
very
high
priority
for
us,
through
the
planning
service
and
through
the
core
strategy.
Selective
review
you'll
recall
that
we've
sought
to
increase
the
percentage
targets
as
well
for
affordable
housing.
So
it
is
something
that
we're
very
mindful
of
of
doing
and
we're
working
hard
within
the
service
and
with
other
services.
H
I
think
we're
very
mindful
also
within
particularly
within
in
urban
areas,
that
the
lack
of
green
space
and
the
ability
to
achieve
that
on
sites
and
in
relation
to
development
proposals,
but
it
is
integral
to
our
strategy
to
increase
that
number,
and
we
are
working
with
colleagues
in
our
regeneration
teams
and
mark's
colleagues
to
boost
the
supply,
and
I
think
we've
been
successful
in
moving
a
number
of
schemes
through
the
system.
E
No
chair,
I
think
I've
made
my
point
so
no
just
the
second
point.
I
think.
D
Yeah,
just
briefly
on
the
first
point
as
well
chair,
if
I
may,
I
mean
one
of
the
things
that
planning
department
colleagues
are
assisting
us
with,
because
council
rich
you
mentioned
about
cpo
or
purchases
that,
as
as
part
of
ongoing
reviews
that
that
colleagues
do
around
sites
that
aren't
coming
forward.
D
We've
been
assisted
in
terms
of
writing
out
as
part
of
a
a
regular
kind
of
reminder-
that's
sent
out
to
those
developers
or
land
owners
to
say
on
this
occasion
that
the
council
is
also
looking
to
boost
its
land
supply
and
would
be
interested
in
doing
that.
And
I'm
I'm
pleased
to
report
that
I
can't
say
that
we
can
turn
them
into
converted
leads.
D
But
thanks
to
the
support
of
david's
team
within
planning,
we've
now
got,
I
think,
a
list
of
possibly
30
additional
sites
that
may
are
currently
owned
by
developers
or
land
owners
who
are
saying
well,
we
might
be
interested
in
talking
to
the
council
about
them
purchasing
all
or
part
of
these
sites
or
properties.
So
in
the
new
year
or
we
we've
already
begun
the
process
working
with
regeneration.
D
Colleagues-
and
we
are-
we
are
looking
at
all
different
ways,
because
I
I
didn't
make
the
point
in
my
introduction,
but
clearly
800
is
great,
but
when
you're
looking
to
do
1500
and
there
are
700
to
go,
we
have
to
continue
to
kind
of
push
on
and
and
find
the
rest
of
that.
So
planning
planning
department
are
extremely
supportive
in
terms
of
that
joint
working,
which
I
think
members
would
would
see
being
absolutely
essential
in
terms
of
us
having
a
joined
up
approach
to
this.
D
In
terms
of
the
second
point,
just
briefly:
yes,
councillor
richie
we're
limited
in
terms
of
the
30
percent
that
we
can
apply
as
part
of
the
scheme
costs
to
deliver
new
units.
The
15-year
cost
floor
protection
protects
the
the
notional
cost
of
delivering
the
unit,
that's
at
sales.
So
it
is
a
full
protection
rather
than
a
third
of
the
protection,
but
clearly
in
terms
of
viability.
We
generally
look
at
the
hra
period
of
30
years,
so
it
does
remain
a
risk
and
a
threat.
C
B
Thank
you
chair
generally.
What's
behind
the
paper,
I
support,
and
I
don't
want
any
answer
to
this
and
get
into
any
long
discussions,
because
I,
I
think
the
officers
are
responsible
for
this.
I've
had
enough
discussions
over
the
period
and
we
have
got
battles
to
come
next
coming
next
next
year.
B
I
think,
but
the
issue
is,
as
is
some
of
the
sites
that
the
inappropriate
sites
that
have
been
chosen,
and
basically
in
areas
where
count
the
council,
as
as
ad
land,
where
it
sought
off
to
the
private
sector
for
housing,
where
we
could
quite
definitely
have
built
council
housing
because
we
need
them.
D
Yes,
thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
councillor,
blackburn
and
without
getting
into
scheme
specifics
or
site
specifics,
because
I
am
aware
of
of
the
area
that
council
blackburn
is
kind
of
alluding
to.
D
I
think
one
of
the
other
points
that
that
I
would
make
is
that
one
of
the
other,
difficult
balances
and
and
probably
sometimes
is
challenging
and
confusing,
is
that
there
are
areas
where
the
council
chooses,
for
instance,
as
an
example,
the
brownfield
land
program,
where
we
actively
look
to
involve
developers
in
purchasing
council-owned
land
or
assets
in
order
to
build
homes
for
sale
to
diversify
tenure
within
within
communities.
D
Now
it
is
always
a
difficult
balancing
act
because
clearly,
at
the
time
that
many
of
these
programs
were
initiated,
we
were
capped
in
terms
and
we
had
very
limited
hra
resources
in
which
to
to
develop
our
own
housing
solutions,
and
I
think
the
thing
that
we
are
doing
and
and
will
be
of
interest
to
members
moving
forward.
D
But
I
haven't
kind
of
committed
to
that
within
the
paper
today
is
that,
as
as
with
other
local
authorities
that
have
an
active
housing
program,
we're
also
looking
at
where
we
might
need
to
do
mixed
tenure
schemes
in
order
to
ensure
that
affordable
housing
is
delivered.
So
I
I
I'm
not
answering
council
blackburn's
question
that
he
hasn't
asked
if
that
makes
sense.
But
I
understand
the
point
he's
making,
but
I'd
say
the
general
point
to
all
members
is
that
there
there
will
be
brownfield
land
programs.
D
There
will
be
other
regeneration
programs
that
have
been
deliberately
promoted
in
order
to
bring
investment
and
bring
tenure
diversification
into
certain
areas.
We
are
now
in
a
position
that
we
weren't
even
two
years
ago,
probably
three
years
ago,
certainly
to
actually
have
a
much
more
active
program,
and
hopefully
you
can
see
in
terms
of
the
aspiration
in
the
paper.
The
commitment
from
the
council
and
the
executive
board
is
to
deliver
as
many
affordable
and
ideally
council
homes
for
rent
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
city.
C
Thank
you
mark
and
I
don't
see
any
more
hands
going
up
and
up
so
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
a
very,
very
helpful
report
and
an
excellent
presentation
and
response
to
those
points
that
were
put
to
you
and,
as
you
say,
I
think
the
aspiration
is
there.
We
we
haven't
achieved
it
yet
there's
a
journey
to
go,
but
clearly
your
heading
is
in
the
right
direction.
So
I
thank
you
for
that.
Thank.
C
No,
I
can't
see
anybody
else
indicating
so
can
I
ask
people?
Can
we
note
the
report
please
before
moving
on
and
again
I'll
just
take
silences
as
a
yes,
lovely,
so
we'll
move
on
now?
Thank
you
very
much
mark
to
our
last
item
substantive
item
agenda,
11
place,
making
and
local
plan
update,
and
this
is
going
to
be
presented
by
jenny
fisher,
who
is
the
principal
officer
in
sustainable
development
and
catherine
holloway
team
leader
for
city
development.
C
Thank
you
both
for
being
so
patient
waiting
until
this
point
in
the
meeting
before
you
can
do
your
presentation
please,
over
to
you.
N
Thank
you
I'll
I'll,
kick
off
with
that
fma
and,
whilst
jenny's
trying
to
upload
a
screen
presentation
for
you,
you
may
have.
You
may
have
spotted
the
mistake
on
the
title
of
the
report,
for
which
I
apologize,
that
of
pace
making
which
actually
place
making.
Whilst
this
is
a
typo,
perhaps
it
can
be
taken
in
the
spirit
that
we're
wanting
to
move
at
pace
on
a
knee
enabling
improvements
in
sustainable
place.
N
Making
the
report
and
presentation,
jenny-
and
I
will
be
giving
this
afternoon
is
very
much
an
update
on
the
report
previously
presented
to
joints
plans
panel
last
july,
and
that
was
on
cross-departmental
work,
including
public
health.
Active
leads
planning
highways
parts
countryside
to
build
on
the
work
of
leeds
2014
public
health
report,
with
a
focus
of
an
identifying
practical
steps
to
achieve
benefits
and
added
value
between
good
design
and
planning
for
health
and
well-being.
N
N
I
think
I've
managed
to
fill
that
in
whilst
jenny's
got
those
slides
so
I'll
hand
over
to
jenny.
Thank
you.
I
have.
O
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
catherine
jenny,
fisher
from
design,
team
and
city
development.
Can
you
see
the
presentation
I
put
up
on
the
screen
now?
Yes,
I'm
hoping
it's
filling
your
screen.
Yes,.
O
C
If
you
can't
do
it,
jenny,
we'll
we'll
live.
O
With
that
yeah,
I'm
not
quite
sure
why
it's
not!
That
is
that
better,
yes,
fantastic!
Yes!
Yes,
that's
better
yeah!
This
is
actually
part
of.
This
is
a
repeat
of
the
presentation
we
gave
to
joint
plans
panel
last
year
or
july
2019
now
so
I'd
like
to
update
you
on
the
work
we've
been
doing
since
then.
O
O
We
have
basically
the
two
key
documents
building
for
tomorrow
today
and
neighborhoods
for
living,
we're
actually
intending
to
merge
and
update
those
two
documents,
because
we
feel,
along
with
the
highways
design
guide.
All
this
information
should
really
be
in
one
place.
O
O
This
is
just
a
slight
introduction
actually
of
of
some
a
training
resource
that
we've
been
working
on
this
year
place
making
for
resilient
communities.
O
Kobe
19
has
emphasized
the
importance
of
place,
making
I'd
like
to
show
you
that
this
is
actually
a
piece
of
training
that
we've
actually
rolled
out
to
all
our
colleagues
in
city
development,
and
our
next
aim
is
actually
to
to
present
it
to
you
all.
So,
obviously,
councilman
mckenna
has
mentioned
earlier
about
the
need
for
training
in
planning,
but
this
is
something
that
again
we
wanted
to
share
with
colleagues
first
and
we're
ready
to
sort
of
share
it
with
you
all,
as
well.
O
Now
so
we'd
quite
quite
like
to
sort
of
arrange
some
sessions
early
in
the
new
year.
If
that's
okay-
and
I
hope
we
hope
you'll-
find
it
interesting,
I've
got
a
couple
of
extracts
from
that
training
just
to
wet
your
appetites.
This
is
just
an
example
of
you
know
a
layer,
a
typical
layout.
What
would
be
looking
for
if
we
were
if
we
were
trying
to
design
something
that
we
thought
addressed
all
the
health
and
well-being,
climate
mitigation
issues?
O
And
it's
a
starting
point
really
for
just
discussing
these
with
colleagues
and
with
your
and
any
interested
parties
outside
the
authority?
O
We've
also
got
this
slide
on
existing
character,
and
the
key
thing
here
is
that
there
is
no
such
thing
as
a
cleared
site.
This
is
important
because,
obviously
you
know
we've
got
we've
got.
You
know,
garnet
smell
hydropowers.
You
know
we're
utilizing
the
river
at
at
ottly.
O
You
know,
we've
got
the
immature
accordia
in
cambridge
here
where
they've
utilized
and
maintained
all
those
existing
mature
trees,
which
certainly
creates
fantastic
feature
for
the
site,
but
it's
using
the
contours
of
the
site
and
just
basically
using
what's
there
already
this
piece
of
work.
You've
seen
this
graphic
before
so
I
don't
want
to
to
dwell
too
much
on
these.
O
These
slides,
because
they
are
in
the
you
know,
explain
better
in
the
report,
but
the
three
key
principles
that
we
actually
put
together
back
in
2016
when
we
first
started
working
closely
with
public
health
was,
was
active,
neighborhoods,
better
air
quality
and
green
space
and
cohesiveness.
O
Cohesive
communities-
and
you
know
four
years
later-
these
are
these-
are
all
very
relevant
to
what
we're
going
through,
particularly
this
year
with
the
challenges
with
with
kobe
19.
again.
Some
of
you
will,
if
you
will
have
seen
these
slides
before,
I
tend
to
show
them
in
presentations.
But
this
is
malmo
in
sweden.
O
We're
also
looking
at
you've,
probably
heard
the
words
20-minute
neighborhoods
used
a
lot
this
year
in
webinars,
there's
been
an
awful
lot
of
webinars
that
we've
all
been
attending
while
we've
been
home
working
20
minute
neighborhood
is
what
it
sounds,
and
we've
all
been
been
been
doing
that
this
year,
when
we've
been
in
lockdown,
is,
is
exploring
our
neighborhoods
getting
getting
to
know
our
neighbours
and
making
that
20
20
minute
journey
instead
of
getting
in
the
car
and
and
just
and
just
really
embracing.
O
What's
around
us,
and
certainly
celebrating
our
green
space
city,
development
and
public
health
are
currently
working
on
the
development
of
a
walking
action
plan
for
the
city
covering
key
environmental
priorities
and,
and
this
led
to
the
initiation
of
work
to
start
mapping
walking
routes
across
the
city,
and
this
partnership
working
will
hopefully
deliver
walkable
low
traffic
neighborhood
schemes
in
priority
neighborhoods.
We're
certainly
doing
some
key
work
in
lincoln,
green
and
the
recreations
and
beasts
at
the
moment.
O
Healthy
spaces
where
communities
can
connect
and
walking
and
cycling
is
easiest
most
attractive.
Option
of
movement
is
our
aim.
O
I
wanted
to
use
a
couple
of
case
studies
here
because
I
wanted
to
you
know
it
to
be
clear
that
we're
already
got
some
really
fantastic
schemes
that
are
either
in
the
pipeline
in
the
city
or
already
been
out
there
for
quite
some
time,
and
the
case
study
for
active
neighborhoods,
I
feel
is,
is
kirkstall
forge
coming
forward
where
place.
Making
you
know
is
is
first
on
that
initial
master
plan,
with
with
connectivity
and
connections
that
natural
setting
the
master
plans
promoting
healthy
lifestyles,
and
it's
been
very
much
developed
to
build.
O
O
The
second
of
our
principles
is
better
air
quality
and
green
space.
You
can
see
the
images
here,
we're
already
doing
it
in
leeds.
We've
got
fantastic
violia
waste
recycling
in
leeds
that
that
has
this
wonderful
green
wall
and
we
are
getting
inquiries
from
members
to
say
well
what
you
know
can
we
do
this?
O
Can
we
do
more
of
this,
and
certainly
it's
something
we
are
trying
to
encourage
developers
to
to
incorporate
the
case
study
for
this
one
is,
is
a
climate
innovation
district,
which
I
know
many
of
you
will
be
aware
of.
I
I
went
down
that
she
hadn't
walked
around
it
a
few
weeks
ago.
Anticipating
I'd
be
talking
about
it
today
and
it's
it's,
it's
impressive.
The
way
it's
been,
it's
developing,
you
know
the
manufacturing
on
site.
O
You
know
it's
all
about
this
riverside
setting
focusing
on
the
biodiversity,
green,
sustainable
travel
and
when
I
walked
around
there
there
was
an
awful
lot,
a
lot
of
people
home
working
in
the
windows
here.
So
it's
it's
clearly
an
active
community
already
and
a
third
of
our
principles.
It's
cohesive
communities-
and
this
is
this-
is
really
again.
It's
been
a
key.
This
year
in
in
people
sort
of
getting
getting
to
know
their
community
and
finding
that
that
is
so
important
to
have.
O
You
know
those
those
co-located
services
and
high
quality
neighborhood
spaces
to
encourage
that
social
interaction,
the
image
on
the
bottom
right
again,
some
of
you
will
be
aware
of
this.
It's
catch.
O
The
community
facility
in
in
hair
hills
really
is
quite
an
exemplar
of
community
cohesion,
as
training
for
young
people
cafe,
food
growing,
they've
even
got
goats
and
a
gym,
and
they
really
are
embracing
their
local
community
and
particularly
their
young
people
case
study
for
this
one
is
lilac
in
bramley,
co-housing
community
and
again
you
know
the
founder
of
this
development
is
a
resident,
and
it
you
know
it's.
If
you
haven't
been
to
visited
it.
It's
certainly
worth
worth
a
visit.
It's
got.
O
You
know
allotment
on
site,
it's
all
about
shared
facilities
and
community,
very,
very
highly
sustainable
energy
efficient.
But
again
this
is
a
one-off.
You
know
we're
not
rolling
these
out
they're,
not
everyone's
cup
of
tea,
but
certainly
I
think
we
should
be
giving
people
the
choice,
if
that,
if
this
is
the
way
they
want
to
live
the
one
thing
I
particularly
like
about
this
is
these:
you
know
the
community
aspect,
the
meeting
rooms,
the
shared
meals
in
the
common
house,
they've
got
communal,
gardens
and
a
shared
laundry
and
a
tool
store.
O
O
I
also
just
wanted
to
remind
remind
everybody
really
that
we
are
doing
this
successfully
elsewhere.
You
know,
we've
got
a
number
of
award-winning
schemes
in
leeds
we've
got
saxton
gardens
which
won
a
housing
design
award
reader
awards.
You
know,
former
council
apartment
blocks
that
have
been
beautifully
restored.
O
O
Then
we've
got
allison
bywater
millennium
village,
which
again
is
one
of
the
largest
home
zones
in
the
uk,
holds
a
building
for
life
gold
award,
and
we
often
use
that
one
as
a
case
study
brown,
the
brownfield
lamb
program
development,
I'm
hoping
mark
denton's
still
with
us,
because
you
know
that
that
needs
celebrating.
It
was
finalist
in
the
rtpi
awards
for
planning
excellence
in
2020
I'll,
just
be
showing
you
some
slides
on
that,
a
little
bit
later
on
parkland's
in
more
town.
O
This
was
a
very
difficult
had
a
difficult
planning
history,
this
site,
formerly
privately
owned
sports
field,
but
now
residential
development
of
just
25
houses
with
an
urban
park
and
they
provided
land
for
the
local
school
for
educational
use.
Yarn
street
again
it's
it's!
You
know
what
people
don't
know
about
this
one,
but
it's
a
small
scheme
on
huntsman
riverside
and
you
know:
sustainable
travel
to
the
city
center,
pedestrian
friendly
streets
and
play
spaces.
O
Just
to
have
a
look
very
briefly,
a
few
of
these
urban
splash.
This
is
you
know
this
that
this
this
is
one
of
their
flagship
projects.
Still
existing
blocks
retain
repurposed
they've
got
communal
recycling
facilities,
urban
allotments
on
site.
They
give
give
those
over
to
the
local
community
if
they've
got
some
spare.
So
again,
we're
doing
you
know
we're
talking
about
you
know
creating
pedestrian-friendly
spaces
and
segregated
walkways
and
making
it
very
healthy
to
live
in
these
places
and
we're
doing
this.
O
This
is
parklands
at
moore
town,
and
this
is
a
site
that
could
have
been
completely
covered
in
in
houses,
and
there
was
a
you
know,
a
developer
that
listened
to
the
local
community
and
only
developed
on
30
percent
of
the
site
and
gifted
the
remaining
70
percent
over
the
local.
You
know
the
local
community
into
our
parks
department
very
well
used
and
popular
brownfield
land
program
been
very
successful.
O
You
know
it's
providing
an
awful
lot
of
homes
for
people
that
need
it,
but
I'm
comparing
this
one
with
that
with
goldsmith
street
in
norwich
in
nottingham.
Rather
this
this
has
got
an
architect
on
board,
mikhail
riches,
and-
and
this
is
the
key
here-
I
think,
is
you
know-
nottingham
city
council
have
managed
to
create
this
groundbreaking
development
and
deeply
because
they've
got
a
you
know,
top
name
architect
involved.
O
But
you
know
we've
got
some
fantastic
architects
working.
You
know
we
need
city
council
on
it
and
the
question
I'm
asking
really
is:
is
you
know
we
could
we
could
do
this
on
on
on
our
council
on
sites?
You
know
we
can
certainly
learn
the
lessons
from
solar
gain
from
those
very
gently
sloping,
roofs.
O
You
know,
they've
got
an
awful
lot
of
communal
space
and
it's
all
about
sustainable,
active
travel
and
and
play
spaces
and
people
being
part
of
a
community
just
a
few
others
that
I'm
sure
you're
aware
of
I
just.
I
just
feel
that
you
know
it's
an
opportunity
really
to
celebrate
one.
You
know
schemes
that
we've
done
well.
This
is
the
former
wolfdale
hospital
in
otley
skillful,
restoration
of
listed
buildings
and
sensitively
detailed
new
build
it's
a
very
nice
scheme.
O
We
often
talk
about
millennium
village,
you
know,
and
by
water.
You
know
phase
two
has
been
successful
as
well,
and
you
know
we've
got
you
know,
there's
street
trees
segregated
walkways
to
encourage
active
travel
front
gardens,
provide
defensible
space,
but
they
also
have
planting
which
absorbs
rainfall,
provides
habitats
and
amenity
value.
You
know
what
I
like
about
this
scheme
is.
Is
you
know
you've
got
window
treatments
you
know
caught.
You
know,
corner
treatments,
gable
ends.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
active
frontages
here.
O
You
feel
safe
and
secure
on
these
sites
and
again
a
a
comment
made
by
council
jenkins
earlier
about
you
secured
by
design.
I
mean
that's
certainly
being
looked
at.
You
know
at
perks
or
forge,
but
also
here,
you'd
feel
safe.
I
think
walking
around
here
just
a
few
other
ones
here,
yarn
street
grimes,
dike
church
fields
in
boston,
spa,
you
know,
we've
got
again,
you
know
integrated
play
spaces
segregated
walkways
buildings.
O
In
context
I
mean
yarn
street
is
right
next
to
hansel
mill
and
a
lot
of
the
design
of
these
these
buildings
is,
you
know,
is-
is
trying
to
relate
to
that
historic
building.
Next
door.
O
O
So
the
dominance
of
the
car
results
in
housing.
That
is
characterized
by
hard
surfacing
a
tarmac.
So
what
is
the
solution,
and
these
are
just
questions
that
that
we're
always
asking
ourselves-
and
I'm
sure,
you're-
also
asking
you
know
when
you
see
housing
developments
coming
through
to
for
you
to
look
at.
This
is
quite
an
old
image
from
mark
bidolf
2001,
but
it's
still
very
relevant
in
the
cars
and
parking
separated
from
pedestrians
and
social
areas.
O
You
know
next
to
housing,
that's
what
we
should
be
looking
at
here.
Don't
assume
that
you
have
to
have
your
car
right
outside
your
front
door.
Then
you
know:
how
can
we
encourage
our
residents
to
walk
and
be
active?
Well,
they
want
to
feel
as
if
as
if
it's
healthy
to
do
so,
you
know
so
really
trying
to
push
these
segregated,
walking
and
cycle
ways,
but
have
a
planted
barrier
between
them.
O
You
know
so
that
you're
not
breathing
in
the
traffic
fumes
last
slide,
one
of
the
last
slides
from
me,
but
I
saw
this
last
weekend
and
that's
the
community
christmas
spirit.
This
virgin
oakwood
has
been
adopted
for
many
years
with
a
biodiverse,
wildflower
border
and
now
and
they've
put
up.
You
know
local
residents
put
a
christmas
tree
on
the
corner.
That's
fantastic,
but
also
you
know
segregated
walkways
we're
already
doing
it.
Steinbeck
road
in
meanwood
has
a
historic,
footwear
cycleway.
O
You
know,
and
I
think
I
think
we
need
to
celebrate.
You
know
you
know
the
success
stories
here
and
I
know
I
know
we're
all
trying
to
to
improve
on
the
design.
You
know
design,
quality
and-
and
I
think
that's
so
important,
but
it's
so
important
to
celebrate
what
we
already
have
this
again.
I've
shown
I've
shown
before
in
presentations,
but
this
is
trumping
to
meadows
in
cambridge,
and
you
know
this
is
the
sort
of
thing
that
we're
talking
about.
Is
you
know
the
segregation?
O
You
know
waste
centralized
waste
disposal
just
very
briefly
on
on
the
university
they've
done
some
fantastic
work.
Research
work
mapped
all
the
trees
on
the
campus
to
try
and
work
out.
You
know
how
much
how
many
tons
of
carbon
they
store
and
over
their
lifetimes,
the
campus
trees
have
stored
over
540
tons
of
carbon,
which
is
absolutely
huge
and
that's
equivalent
to
the
annual
carbon
footprint
of
around
180
people
living
in
the
uk.
O
So
the
key
thing
to
mention
here
is
that
they're
not
just
doing
work
in
on
the
campus
they're.
Also,
you
know
working
alongside
us
at
least
city
council
and
they've
done
a
a
lot
of
research
in
middleton
park,
exactly
the
same
exercise
in
mapping
how
much
carbon
all
the
trees
in
middleton
park
are
absorbing
and
storing
how
to
tackle
the
problem
of
refuse
collections
and
wheelie
bins.
O
We're
sick
of
seeing
wheelie
bins
all
over
the
place,
but
centralized
waste
disposal
is
the
way
forward
and
we
are
having
conversations
with
with
a
volume
house
build
at
the
moment
on
a
couple
of
key
key
sites
in
leeds
big
sites
in
leeds
and-
and
we
have
to
start
looking
at
this
because
we
don't
want
to
find
we're
five
years
down
the
line
and
we're
wondering
why
we
never.
O
We
never
even
started
the
conversations
about
this,
but
you
know
we
are
having
those
conversations
with
with
our
waste
service
team
and
again
they're
doing
they're
doing
it
in
wembley
park
and
barking
in
london
and
northwest
cambridge
it'd
be
lovely
if
they
came
this
far
far
north
but
taylor
wimpey
they're,
talking
to
us
for
easter
weatherby
site,
and
these
leads
extension,
I'm
going
to
hand
you
over
now
to
catherine
thanks.
N
However,
it's
felt
that
existing
policy
could
be
strengthened
and
the
vision
for
leeds
is
to
have
a
strong
policy
framework
pulls
out
the
issues
that
jenny's
highlighted
to
ensure
that
planning
policy
and
decisions
achieve
healthy,
inclusive,
safe,
resilient
adaptable
places,
and
that
leeds
is
designed
to
achieve
a
better
and
more
sustainable
future
for
all.
So,
the
current
policy
that
we've
got
does
lack
explicit
reference
to
health
and
well-being
and
climate
change.
N
Therefore,
we
feel
that
it
could
be
more
done
to
provide
a
stronger
hook
and
stronger
signposting
to
the
other
policies
within
the
core
strategy
which
have
important
linkages
in
the
the
general
concepts
of
placemaking.
It's
not
just
design,
but
it's
the
whole
concept
of
green
spaces
spaces
around
buildings,
how
the
buildings
are
built
and
accessibility
and
connectivity.
N
N
If
you
want
to
move
to
the
next
slide
jenny,
so
our
final
slides
just
pulling
out
a
quote
from
the
world
health
organization
back
in
2012,
who
said
that
local
councils
can
have
their
most
important
long-term
effect
on
health
and
and
the
cross
benefits
to
climate
change
through
the
decisions
they
take
about
spatial
planning
and
the
very
last
slide.
N
The
collaborative
work
across
planning
design
highways,
active,
leads
parks
and
countryside.
Public
health
is
enabling
improvements
in
sustainable
placemaking
by
providing
the
necessary
evidence
and
influencing
the
developers
and
investors
into
leads,
and
we
hope
that
building
this
whole
system,
collaboration
with
health
focused
and
climate
change,
design
solutions
will
see
notable
future
increases
in
healthy
and
resilient
communities.
C
Well,
thank
you
very
much
jenny
and
catherine
as
ever.
I
feel
completely
inspired
by
that
presentation
and
I'm
sure
lots
of
colleagues
around
the
table
feel
the
same
way.
Those
are
fundamental
principles
of
moving
forward
and
really
inspiring
to
see.
But
I
I
have
to
say
that
you
did
mention
earlier
on.
C
So
I
throw
that
challenge
to
david
to
consider
throughout
the
debate,
but
I
I
do
think
that
what
you've
shared
with
us
today
personally
from
a
personal
point
of
view,
is
absolutely
the
way
forward
and
with
that
I'll
I'll,
throw
the
floor
open
for
debate
and
comment.
Councillor
ray.
J
Thank
you
and
I'm
very
surprised
agenda,
but
I
would
say
in
action:
I'm
going
to
use
the
example
of
yarn
street
in
hunslet
it
made
the
development
have
been
designed
to
be
that
way,
but
it's
actually
a
living
nightmare
for
residents,
because
actually
the
places
around
it
have
not
been
designed
to
work
with
it.
So
they're
in
the
middle
of
an
industrial
estate
they're
now
over
developed
because
of
hunslet
mill
putting
pressure
onto
the
system,
they
don't
have
a
shop.
J
The
nearest
shop
is
across
two
main
roads
which
are
in
the
middle
of
rebuilding
and
their
other
bits
access
to
a
tow
path,
which
is
now
so
busy.
It's
actually
quite
problematic
for
people.
So
as
much
as
I
think,
your
strategy
is
right,
I
think
the
where
it
happens
is
so
important,
because
on
paper,
yarn
street
is
perfect.
In
reality,
it
fills
my
inbox
with
three
or
four
emails.
J
A
day
of
complaints,
because
actually
the
place
it
was
put
was
wrong,
and
I
think
this
is
where
we
have
to
come
to
the
point
I
think
counselor
groom
has
mentioned
about
the
developers
they
put
as
many
properties
in
that
as
possible
to
make
that
financially
viable.
So
all
that
potential
was
completely
destroyed
because
they
tried
to
shove
as
much
in
as
possible,
and
I
suppose
my
comment
is:
is
the
internal
mechanisms
of
the
council
need
to
stop
fighting
each
other,
because
actually
this
is
that
is
perfect.
On
paper,
it's
not
in
reality.
C
A
Thank
you,
chair,
yeah,
finding
that
presentation,
fantastic
and,
like
you
said
inspiring,
but
I've
got
a
real
issue
about
affordable
housing
and
about
social
housing,
and
I
think
these
big
development
sites
that
are
bringing
these
particular
issues
into
it
are
putting
barriers
up
for
social
housing,
but
because,
if
they're
at
the
side
of
these
new
developments,
they're
seen
as
a
a
a
an
added
extra
and
then
they're
not
able
to
get
involved
in
this
particular
the
these
particular
events
that
are
happening.
A
So
I
think
we've
got
to
bear
in
mind
that
all
these
aspirations
are
for
all
the
people
of
the
the
areas
not
just
for
the
ones
that
can
afford
your
your
top-end
housing.
A
Glad
that
you
mentioned
indoor
space,
as
well
as
the
focus
on
outdoor
space,
which
is
obviously
important,
because
indoor
community
space
is
incredibly
important
for
things
that
people
want
to
do
together.
L
A
Celebration
or
a
christmas
fair
or
having
a
meeting
whatever,
and
so
many
of
these
big
developments
that
we
see,
particularly
on
the
edge
of
the
city
when
the
plans
come
forward.
There's
nowhere
like
that,
and
it's
just
that
people
seem
to
be
in
these
atomized
little
houses
where
they
have
to
travel
a
really
long
way
to
get
to
anything
like
that
which
is
not
helpful
at
all.
So
I'm
glad
that
was
mentioned,
and
I
agree
with
what
both
the
previous
speakers
have
says
as
well.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you
so
jenny
and
catherine.
If
you
could
pick
those
points
up
for
us
councillor
ray
on
suitability
of
place,
councillor
reagan
on
affordable
housing
and
councillor
garth,
wait
on
indoor
space.
O
Okay,
shall
I
go
first
catherine.
Thank
you
very
much
that
they're
very
helpful
comments
absolutely
agree
with
what
councilor
reyes
said
about
yarn
street.
It's
really
it's
a
really
difficult
one,
because
I
I
you
know
as
an
urban
designer
you
know
I
would
love
to.
O
I
would
love
to
be
designing
developments
that
are
called
a
car
free
or
you
know,
car
clubs
attached
to
them
and
and
we're
trying
to
reduce
that
dominance
of
the
car,
but
we're
not
there
yet
and-
and
I
think,
over
the
last
few
years
since
the
arn
street
has
been
developed,
I
think
car
ownership
has
probably
increased
even
more.
Everyone
seems
to
need
to
have
two
or
three
cars.
O
So
I
absolutely
agree
with
you
on
that.
There's
an
awful
lot
of
work.
We
need
to
do
with
our
highways
department,
but
on
a
positive
things
are
definitely
going
to
change
in
the
future.
O
There
are
going
to
be
less
cars
on
the
road
and
I
think
we
need
to
be
obviously
looking
forward
to
the
day
that
that
happens,
but
I
agree
with
you
councillor
ray
that
that
leaves
you
with
a
headache
with
what
happens
at
the
moment-
and
you
know
certainly
yarn
street
was-
was
developed
as
an
opportunity
for
the
with
one
of
the
first
developments
right
next
to
the
city
centre.
That
was
trying
to
encourage
active
travel.
O
So
I
think
they're,
you
know
their
aspiration
was
right
and
and
we
encouraged
them,
but
we
have
to
be
realistic
and
if
you
have
issues
like
that,
we
need
to
know
you
know
we
need
to
know
about
them,
because
it's
useful
for
us
for,
for
other
schemes,
we're
looking
at
councillor,
reagan's
comment
about
affordable
and
social
housing.
Absolutely
agree
with
you
on
that,
and
it
can't
possibly
be
a
matter
of.
O
You
know
that
that
whoever
can
afford
it
gets,
gets
the
the
best
developments
and
the
best
looking
developments-
and
you
know
one
criticism,
you
know
you
could
you
could?
You
could
say
about
you
know,
situational,
forge
and
even
lilac.
The
three
case
studies.
I
you
know
I
I
showed
along
with
our
principles:
yes,
they're,
fantastic,
but
you've
got
to
be
able
to
afford
those,
and
it
would
be
fantastic
to
roll
those
out
across
our
council
schemes
and
and
to
our
our
affordable.
O
You
know
affordable
housing
schemes
and
again
it's
something
I'll
follow
up
with
we're
in
regular
conversations
with
mark
denton
in
in
council,
housing,
growth
and
we'd
certainly
love
to
do
more
work
with
them
to
you
know
to
ensure
that
this
happens,
that
you
know,
there's
not
a
divide
between
you
know
the
the
affordable
housing,
how
they
look
and
and
other
our
housing
has.
They
have
to
sit
well
together.
O
So
you
know,
I
can
assure
you
that
we
are.
We
are
looking
into
that,
but
it
is
again
a
difficult
one.
Volume
house
builders
are
trying
to
get
maximum
profits
for
their
sites.
The
council
of
golf
weight
again
in
these
indoor
community
spaces.
I
mean
you
know:
we've
had
a
dreadful
year
with
kovid
19,
but
this
is
possibly
a
positive
that
will
come
out
of
this.
Is
that
we're
not
we're
not
in
the
office
city,
central
offices
anymore?
O
A
lot
of
us
are
working
on
our
own
at
home.
I'd
certainly
benefit
from
having
a
hub.
You
know
within
walking
distance
of
my
house
here
that
I
could
you
know
that
we
could
walk
to
and
have
a
bit
of
a
community
feel
about
it.
I'd
like
to
think
that
that
is
something
that
is
going
to
happen,
that
people
want
more
facilities
in
their
local
communities.
C
N
I'm
happy
with
that
councillor
grant.
I
will
just
add
that
we
do
have
policies
in
place
to
make
sure
that
affordable
housing
is
fully
integrated
and
that
there
should
be
no
difference
in
inclusivity
from
for
design.
Design
should
be
approached
for
all
sites,
regardless
of
the
tenure
and
type,
and
also
you
know
just
to
pick
up
on
the
point
that
the
jenny's
made
on
on
the
situation
with
the
kovo
pandemic.
N
That
has
really
emphasized
the
need
for
personal
space,
public
space
and
easy
commutable,
accessible
connections
to
facilities
and
that's
really
playing
through
the
thoughts
of
patterns
of
place,
making,
as
well
as
individual,
the
sort
of
cosmic
place
making
on
individual
sites.
So
bringing
back
to
the
comment
that
councillor
reyes
made
it.
Yes,
we
can
approach
a
sort
of
a
specific
design
approach
on
a
particular
site
that
then
will
hopefully
spread
its
wings
out
into
existing
communities.
N
L
Yes,
I'd
just
like
to
support
what
my
colleague
councillor
ray
said
about
yarn
street
young
street
is
a
nicely
designed
estate,
I
have
to
say,
but
when
it
came
up
to
the
plans
panel,
I
I
I
objected
to
the
number
of
flaps
that
were
being
built
there.
As
my
usual,
we
need
more
houses
in
huntlett
and
I
pointed
out
that
huntsman
mill
was
likely
to
be
converted
into
flats.
L
I
mean
I
accept
if
you
have
a
building
like
hunslet
mill,
you
can't
do
anything
else
with
it,
but
have
flats
and
the
plans
panel
very
patronizingly
said
it
was
from
the
chair.
L
Oh
you
know.
Our
answer
was
to
that.
But
paul
is
absolutely
right.
There
is
absolutely
no
facilities
whatsoever
and
they,
although
it's
not
far,
if
you're
a
walker,
the
the
only
way
that
you
can
walk
is
along
the
riverside
and,
quite
frankly,
at
night
time
it
is
just
not
safe.
L
So
I
think
we
all
have
to
be
aware
that
when
we
are
building
estates,
that
there
are
facilities
that
there
is
a
shop
there
is
connectivity
with
elsewhere
in
the
in
the
area.
So
I
I'm
pleased
that
paul
raised
that.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Liz
would
catherine
or
jenny
want
to
comment
on
that,
and
perhaps
david
might
want
to
come
in
on
the
on
the
more
strategic
elements.
K
O
Thank
you,
I'm
going
to
regret
putting
yarn
street
in
my
in
my
presentation
now
some
respects,
I'm
glad
I
did
because
it's
used
very
useful
for
us
to
hear
this
feedback,
but
I
I
don't
really
got
anything
to
add
to
what
I
said
before.
Really
it
was,
but
you
know
it
was
designed
and
built
in
good
faith
that
it
was
going
to
be
using
the
wrong
arm.
O
You
know
everything
that
was
happening
at
the
royal
armouries,
but
yes,
points
taken,
and-
and
you
know
this
is
probably
a
bit
of
a
a
different
scheme
than
the
others
that
I
presented.
So
I
hope
everyone
understands
that
you
know
I
don't
you
know
appear
all
the
focus
being
on
this
particular
scheme.
You
know
it
is
it.
It
is
very
different
in
what
it
was
trying
to
do.
I
think
this
one.
L
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
liz
point
taken,
but
I
have
to
say
you
referred
on
a
couple
of
occasions
as
well
in
your
presentation
too.
This
is
the
one
off
and
we're
not
rolling
these
out
yet.
H
C
H
Thank
you
chair,
I
mean
you
know
we're.
Certainly
echo
members
views
about
the
importance
of
design,
quality
and
and
its
delivery,
and
and
as
catherine
and
jenny
have
have
said,
you
know
we
are
seeking
to
drive
that
forward
across
across
the
district
and
to
take
advice
from
local
communities
and
residents
as
well
in
terms
of
design,
quality
and
delivery.
I
think
the
issue
of
practice.
H
I
think
the
issue
we
have
is
that
it's
variable
isn't
it.
We
have
some
good
developers
with
some
good
examples
and
some
pioneering
work,
and
then
we
have
other
examples
which
don't
meet
the
standards
that
we're
setting
through
our
policies.
I
think
where
I'd
like
us
to
get
to
is
to
a
tipping
point.
H
We
have
more
of
the
good
than
the
disappointing
schemes
and
then
we
get
a
momentum
overall
and
we're
able
then
to
signpost
towards
what
good
actually
looks
like
and,
more
importantly,
good
in
relation
to
being
resilient
and
meeting
the
needs
of
affordable
housing
and
the
climate
emergency.
So
I
think
we're
working
through
that
transition
at
the
moment.
C
Thank
you,
councillor
carlill.
P
Thank
you,
chad.
It
was
more
of
a
general
point
in
following
on
from
so
thanks
jenny
for
coming,
and
I
think
members
were
all
really
appreciative
of
the
update.
You
gave
18
months
as
you
told
me
ago,
which
is
a
bit
of
a
surprise
to
me,
but
there
you
go
and
just
really
support
the
work
that
you're
doing
there.
P
I
think,
obviously,
members
have
made
comments
about
particular
schemes
that
haven't
worked,
but
obviously
you're
trying
out
new
things
in
various
areas
and
we've
talked
about
other
issues
between
meetings
and
what's
good
to
see
is
that
it
really
is
joined
across
the
council
with
different
services
coming
together,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
that
has
brought
improvements
to
the
developments.
You've
worked
on
so
far
and
members
are
really
supportive
of
that
and
I
think
quite
often
we're
asking
then
how
we
can
take
this
further.
P
So
the
idea
of
more
training
and
understanding
for
members,
I
think,
is
really
good
on
that.
Maybe
looking
into
some
of
those
developments
that
we've
had
hearing
from
ward
members,
I
think
was
a
common
council
of
mulherin
put
in
there
that
that
was
a
good
one
about
what
their
experiences
have
been.
So
so
we
can
help
improve
those.
My
two
points
really,
I
think
on
that
are
when
you
came
18
months
ago,
and
I
know
you've
done
a
lot
of
work
since
then.
P
P
Also
there
is
that
that
one
in
the
back
of
my
mind
that
we're
dealing
with
new
developments
here
and
obviously
we're
in
a
plans
panel
meeting
the
improvements
to
existing
estates
is
always
one
in
my
mind.
So
obviously
new
developments
come
forward
and
we
can
seek
to
do
what
we
can,
but
quite
often
we've
got.
P
I
know
we've
got
work,
for
instance,
going
on
around
the
recreations
and
to
try
and
improve
that
existing
neighborhood,
but
we've
obviously
got
a
lot
of
neighborhoods,
many
of
which
were
built
in
the
victorian
times
that
could
do
with
bringing
up
to
date
and
and
improvements
on
a
number
of
these
issues.
P
That's
one
members
will
have
I'll
leave
it
more
as
a
comment
a
chair
on
that,
but
I
think
just
really
looking
forward
to
having
more
in
depth
on
this
more
of
an
understanding
of
the
issues
and
they're
more
of
an
understanding
really,
as
I
say
again
on
how
we
as
members
can
support
these
kind
of
proposals
going
through
and
ensuring
that
we
get
more
of
those
good
developments
rather
than
those
where,
unfortunately,
they
may
be
lacking.
C
Thank
you
peter.
I
can't
see
any
more
contributions.
Is
there
anyone
else
who
would
like
to
contribute
at
this
point?
C
Okay,
can
I
thank
you
again,
catherine
and
and
jenny
for
that
presentation
it.
C
It
fascinates
me
every
time
I
hear
another
update
and
we
wait
with
baited
breath
to
hear
more
about
the
progress
that
you're
making,
but
I
I
think
I
can
feel
a
consensus
around
the
virtual
table
that
you
are
undoubtedly
leading
us
in
the
right
direction
on
this
and
that
the
principles
are
absolutely
fine,
but
there's
a
degree
of
of
work
on
the
detail,
isn't
there
and
the
understanding
and
the
knowledge
from
experience
that
will
take
us
to
the
next
phase
but,
as
ever
very
enlightening,
very
informative,
and
thank
you
very
much
indeed.
C
Can
I
ask
jonathan
and
david
whether
anyone
either
of
you
would
like
to
sum
this
last
item
up
or
say
anything
in
conclusion,.
P
H
Need
to
be
joining
forces
collectively
to
make
sure
that
that
happens,
because
we
owe
it
to
future
generations
and
communities
of
today
to
to
achieve
that.
So
that's:
what's
driving
us
forward
as
a
service
and
what
we
committed
to
doing
notwithstanding
the
challenges
we
have
about
ever
changing
policy
at
a
national
level
and
also
the
current
budget
circumstance.
You
know
we
will
do
what
we
can
to
move
things
on
throughout.
So
again,
can
I
just
thank
you
for
your
contribution
and
members
this
afternoon,
for
it's
been
a
very
useful
session
for
us.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you
very
much
indeed.
I
should
have
actually
just
mentioned
for
the
benefits
of
counselor
mckenna,
that
lilac
is
actually
in
armley,
but
only
just
it's
right
on
the
border,
so
it
actually
belongs
to
armley,
but
I
have
visited
it
and
it's
very
interesting.
K
You
for
that
I
I
was
going
to.
I
was
going
to
raise
that
with
jenny,
but
I
thought
it
might
be
a
bit
niggly.
I
live
on
the
same
street
as
lilac,
and
I've
actually
got
a
kooksville
address,
but
it
is
solidly
in
the
army,
ward.
In
fact,
it
was
the
army
councils
myself
and
former
councillor
allison
lowe,
who
made
it
happen
by
persuading
the
council
that
this
was
a
scheme.
K
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Well
that
just
draws
to
a
conclusion
and
I'd
like
to
wish
everybody
a
happy
christmas
break
and
let
us
all
hope
for
a
better
new
year.
My
only
apology
of
the
afternoon
is
to
say
tradition
would
say
that
we
would
all
be
having
mince
pies.
Unfortunately,
I
can't
get
them
through
the
internet
to
you,
so
we'll
have
to
make
up
for
it
after
the
new
year.
Next
time
we
can
get.