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A
A
I'd
like
to
start
the
meeting
today
by
confirming
that
this
meeting
of
the
south
and
west
plans
panel
meets
the
requirements
of
the
council's
constitution.
Even
though
members
of
the
panel
are
in
remote
attendance
while
items
today
will
be
fully
discussed,
as
is
usual,
remote
attendance
requires
a
few
slight
changes
as
to
how
I
will
conduct
the
debate.
A
A
A
B
A
Thank
you,
councillor
brooks
sorry.
I
saw
councillor
brooks
indication
first.
Thank
you.
I
will
take
a
vote
by
assuming
your
silence
is
approval
so
I'll
just
wait
for
five
seconds
for
that
to.
A
A
No
thank
you
very
much
indeed
jules.
I
hope
I
don't
drop
out,
but
thank
you
for
being
ready
and
waiting.
If
I
do,
I
should
now
like
to
invite
members
and
officers
to
introduce
themselves
and
mute
your
microphone
once
you
once
you
have
introduced
yourself
so
again
in
alphabetical
order.
I'm
going
to
start
with
councillor
anderson.
A
Hill
ward,
thank
you
and
councillor
ray.
E
D
I
am
here
because
I'm
having
issues
with
my
tech
good
afternoon,
everyone
nikki
diol
legal
advice
to
this
panel
today.
Thank
you.
B
Good
andrew
thicket
highways
and
transportation.
A
Cody's
not
with
us
about
planning
services-
oh
you
are
andy
you've
already
introduced
yourself
and
toby,
I
believe,
is
with
us
today.
A
B
Okay,
thank
you,
chair
under
agenda
item
number
one.
There
are
no
appeals
against
against
the
refusal
inspection
of
documents
under
agenda
item
number
two:
there
are
no
items
which
require
the
exclusion
of
the
press
or
public
agenda
item
number
three:
there
are
no
late
items
of
business
on
the
agenda
today.
B
A
A
A
So
I'll
assume
again
that
silence
is
hold
on
chair
move
on
mobile.
Thank
you
very
much,
okay
right!
So
are
there
any
matters
arising
from
the
minutes
and
I'll
just
pause
five
seconds
for
anybody
to
raise
anything?
A
No
okay!
So
we're
now
on
to
item
number,
seven
application
for
the
erection
of
a
detached
dwelling
and
chevin
nurseries,
and
it's
it's
over
to
carol
when
you're,
ready,
carol.
D
Thank
you
chair.
The
application
today,
as
you
can
see
on
the
screen,
is
the
erection
of
a
detached
dwelling
at
the
site,
formerly
known
as
chevin
nurseries,
which
is
on
carleton
lane
in
newton.
D
D
This
is
the
os
showing
you
where
the
site
is,
and
you
can
see
it
marked
red
on
the
plan
in
front
of
you.
You
note
on
this
plan
that
there
is
buildings
on
the
site.
They
are
no
longer
present
there.
They
had
greenhouses
on
previously.
There
are
some
images
later
on
that
still
show
the
green
aces
on
site,
but
there's
there's
nothing
left
on
the
site
now,
except
the
shed
and
the
odd
small
building.
D
D
D
D
This
application
went
to
appeal
now,
at
the
same
time
as
this
application
went
to
appeal,
there
was
a
site
three
doors
down
which,
on
that
plan
is
referred
to
as
home
farm
cottage.
If
you
can
see
that
it's
to
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
application
site
now,
this
site
had
previously
had
a
refusal
in
2012
for
a
house
on
the
site,
and
this
was
refused
again
on
greenbelt,
an
increase
of
traffic
in
an
unsatisfactory
location,
unsustainable
development
and
the
loss
of
open
land.
D
However,
a
new
application
on
this
site
came
in
in
2009
and
19,
and
this
was
for
a
larger
house
and
this
time
for
officers
to
be
consistent
with
the
site
in
question
today
and
the
site.
A
couple
of
doors
down.
Officers
refuse
the
scheme
on
green
belt
carriage
of
the
area
and
unsustainable
development,
which
are
the
same
reasons
for
what
we
refused
a
previous
scheme
on
the
application
site.
D
The
inspector
this
year
made
a
decision
on
both
of
these
peels
within
weeks
apart.
However,
the
inspector
on
the
site
at
home
farm
cottage
supported
the
reason's
refusal
stating
that
he
considered
it
wasn't
an
infill
site
in
greenbelt.
It
wasn't
as
it
was
in
an
unsustainable
location,
and
it
did
have
an
impact
on
the
character
of
the
area.
D
D
officers.
Consider
that
these
recent
inspectors
decisions
on
this
site
are
a
material
planning
consideration
that
should
be
afforded
significant
weight.
So
the
matters
of
greenbelt
and
unsustainability
cannot
be
considered
at
this
current
time,
and
the
issue
with
the
application
for
us,
as
officers
now
to
look
at,
is
the
impact
of
the
development
on
the
character
of
the
appearance
of
the
area,
which
is
what
I'm
going
to
go
through
with
you
now.
So
if
I
can
have
the
next
site
please
before
so,
this
is
showing
you
an
aerial
of
the
site
on
this
aerial.
D
Actually,
you
can
see
that
the
buildings
have
been
demolished
with
only
a
couple
of
buildings
remaining
on
the
site.
I
think
the
next
slide
slide.
Five
has
a
better
aerial
view
of
the
site
for
you
to
see.
So
this
is
the
site
in
question
here
which
is
underneath
what
says
county
k9
dog
groomers.
So
it's
the
opposite
side
of
the
road
from
there
and
you
can
see
the
remains
of
what
was
a
a
market
garden
nursery.
D
D
This
shows
the
aerial
view
looking
the
other
way,
so
you
can
see
that
the
site
has
a
lot
of
hard
standing
to
the
front
at
the
access
side.
The
houses
along
this
street
scene
are
quite
well
set
back
from
the
road
and
there
is
a
change
in
levels
from
the
road
up
to
the
site.
Not
significantly,
but
there
is,
there
is
an
element
of
change
of
levels
and
then
you
can
see
the
rest
of
the
site
has
now
just
been
left
to
overgrow,
and
I
have
slide
seven.
Please
this
view.
D
You
can
see
the
whole
sign
for
chevron
nursery
on
the
right
hand,
side
there.
I
think
that's
still
there
at
the
moment.
This
is
the
view
that
you
get
when
you
leave
carlton
lane,
which
is
carlton
lane's
the
main
road-
and
this
is
the
view
down
the
lane
where
the
houses
we've
been
talking
about,
have
been
constructed,
and
you
can
just
see
at
the
end
of
the
boundary
wall
and
hedging
on
the
right
hand,
side
where
the
existing
tarmac
access
to
the
site
is.
D
Can
I
have
slide
number
eight
please?
This
is
showing
you
the
access
nearer
to
the
site
and
that's
a
shed
that's
still
existing
on
the
site.
You
can
see
some
significant
trees
at
on
the
frontage
here.
They
are
to
remain,
which
is
which
is
good,
and
if
you
just
look
in
the
distance,
you
can
just
see
the
chimneys
and
the
roofs
of
the
two
houses
that
are
beyond
this
site.
D
Can
I
have
the
side?
Number
nine,
please
that's
the
shed
again.
We're
now
moved
beyond
the
site,
and
this
is
the
shed
on
the
opposite
side
view
of
the
shed,
and
this
is
delphi,
which
is
the
house
adjacent
to
the
site.
So
you
can
see
how
far
back
it's
set
from
the
street
scene
and
the
new
house
that's
going
in
will
be
in
line
with
this,
so
it'll
be
set
as
far
back
as
that
property
is.
D
This
is
showing
you
the
entrance
from
the
other
side.
There's
the
shed.
You
can
see
the
greenhouses
on
this
because
it
was
taken
a
couple
of
years
ago
which
have
now
been
demolished
on
the
site
and
just
in
the
distance
on
the
right
hand,
side
is
carlton
lane
can
I
have
slide
number
11.
Please
and
again.
D
Can
I
have
slide
number
12,
please
that's
showing
you
delft
view
again,
which
is
the
house
adjacent
to
the
site,
and
then
it's
showing
you
the
house,
the
other
side
of
that
and
which
you
can
see
significantly
bigger.
When
I
show
you
this,
these
street
scene
views
in
shortly
you'll
be
able
to
see
that
the
new
house
that's
going
up
the
opposite
side
of
that
is
of
a
similar
scale
to
the
one
it's
adjacent
to.
D
Can
I
have
slide
number
13
please.
So
this
is
the
application.
Now
the
ready
dotted
line
shows
you,
the
house,
that
we
wanna
appeal
in
terms
of
the
character
and
the
appearance
and
the
reason
the
inspector
thought
that
it
wasn't
in
character
was
the
area
is
that
she
considered
that
it
took
up
quite
a
large
amount
of
the
plot
width-wise.
D
If
you
look
when
we
look
at
the
street
scene,
images
in
a
minute
you'll
see
that
the
other
house
on
the
street
have
significant
gaps
to
the
boundaries
and
she
considered
that
the
property
that
went
to
appeal
was
too
large
in
the
plot
you
can
see.
D
The
new
house
now
has
been
reduced
in
terms
of
hits
with,
and
it
leaves
quite
a
significant
gap
on
both
sides,
there's
a
slight
wing
to
the
back
of
it
and
to
the
rear,
and
then
there's
a
single
story
garage
located
to
the
front
and,
as
you
can
see
on
this
plant,
the
trees
that
were
on
those
images
that
you
saw
will
be
retained
as
part
of
the
development.
D
Can
I
have
slide
14,
please
just
move
down
to
my
notes.
Thank
you.
This
is
showing
you
the
floor
layout
of
the
development
and
one
of
the
things
that
it
has
is
that
it'll
be
two-story,
but
there
is
a
room
and
suite
in
the
in
the
roof
space
of
part
of
the
existing
house
and,
as
I
said,
there'll
be
a
single
story
garage
to
to
the
front.
D
D
The
main
materials
will
be
stone
and
slate
and
on
that
image
to
the
front
there,
it's
in
line
with
other
houses
in
the
street
scene
in
that
you've
got
the
three
windows
at
the
top
and
the
three
windows
at
the
bottom,
and
even
though
these
are
on
narrow,
thin
windows,
they
they
do
fit
in
with
the
existing
street
scene
to
the
rear,
there'll,
be
the
stone
and
slate
again
and
there
will
be
elements
of
timber
cladding
and
the
applicants
taking
advantage
of
the
garden
and
the
views
to
the
rear
buying,
including
a
lot
of
glazing
on
this.
D
This
rear
elevation,
which
is
acceptable
in
this
location,
can
I
have
the
next
slide
please.
These
are
the
street
scenes
images
that
I
spoke
to
you
about.
D
So
the
top
image
shows
you
the
site,
as
it
is
at
the
moment,
and
the
middle
image
shows
you
what
the
site
will
look
like
when
the
application,
when
the
house
has
been
constructed-
and
you
can
see
on
this
from
the
levels-
has
an
influence,
because
you
won't
see
the
whole
of
the
house
when
you're
on
the
on
the
street
scene
and
you
can
see
from
the
size
of
it.
It
fits
in
very
well
with
the
houses
next
door,
but
one
and
next
door,
but
two
and
the
next
orbit.
D
So,
as
I
said
previously,
the
the
only
reason
for
refusal
that
officers
could
deal
with
in
relation
to
this
application
was
whether
it
fitting
fitted
in
with
the
character
and
appearance
of
the
street
scene,
and
these
images
give
you
an
idea
that
it
does
fit
in
with
the
character
and
the
appearance
of
the
street
scene,
because
it's
it's
in
line
with
all
the
properties
along
there
and
officers
consider
it
would
be
difficult
to
refuse
the
application
on
this
basis,
and
I've
got
one
final
slide
for
you,
which
shows
a
3d
images
slide
number
17..
D
These
are
the
three
different
images
of
the
rear
of
the
property.
Just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
it
gives
you
a
better
idea
of
the
materials
and
the
roof
light.
That's
proposed
on
the
rear
elevation
for
the
the
sweet
in
the
in
in
the
roof,
since
the
panel
papers
have
been
written,
counselor
campbell
who
cannot
attend
today,
I
believe,
has
sent
you
all
an
email
regarding
his
objections
to
the
scheme.
D
His
email
fully
reflects
and
includes
all
the
points
that
he's
previously
raised
that
are
already
within
the
officer
report,
except
for
one
new
objection.
Where
he
has
stated
that
if
officers
are
arguing
that
it
is
an
info
plot,
that
might
be
so
if
the
house
fulfilled
local
needs,
but
a
large
five-bedroom
house
in
a
large
garden
does
not
fill
a
local
need,
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say.
Thank
you.
D
A
You
carol,
could
we
take
the
presentation
down
while
we
start
the
debate
and
then
I
can
see
the
hands,
that's
very
helpful.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
So
we're
going
to,
if
you
wouldn't
mind,
use
your
blue
electronic
hand
facility
to
indicate
if
anyone
has
any
questions
please.
First
of
all
we
don't
have
any
speakers
for
this
particular
item.
A
A
Any
questions
please.
Yes,
councillor
brooks.
C
Hello
thanks
for
that,
the
the
sort
of
the
floor
area
of
of
the
proposed
new
house.
How
does
it,
how
does
it
compare
with
other
other
houses
on
the
street.
D
Sorry
trying
to
find
my
own
mute
button,
yes,
the
floor
areas
of
similar
scales
to
not
necessarily
the
adjacent
house,
because
delph
view
as
you've
seen
on
that
image
is,
is
smaller
than
the
application
site,
but
it
does
fit
in
line
with
the
other
two
larger
houses
that
are
on
that
street
scene.
A
C
A
Any
more
questions:
okay!
Well
before
we
just
move
into
the
debate
david,
the
history
of
this
site
is
very
clearly
set
down
in
the
paper,
as
are
all
the
circumstances
and
decisions,
but
I
think
it's
particularly
important
that
members
fully
understand
that
the
frustrations
that
of
the
offices
have
been
faced
with
in
coming
to
this
view,
would
you
like
to
just
go
through
the
history
again,
just
so
that
we're
all
absolutely
clear
what
decision
was
made
by
who
at
what
point?
Please.
E
Yes,
sir,
certainly
chad
just
well
actually
I'll
start
off
then,
with.
E
The
site
that
is
down
the
road,
but
within
a
few
plots
down
from
this
one
back
in,
I
think
it
was
2012.
Wasn't
it
carol?
I
think
we
had
an
application
there,
which
we
refused
that
went
to
appeal.
That
was
for
a
house
that
was
refused.
Permission
went
to
appeal.
The
appeal
was
allowed
in
that
instance.
E
We
then
had
two
applications,
one
on
the
application
site,
which
is
chevron
nursery
site
and
one
on
the
2012
site,
which
is
referred
to
in
the
appeal
decision
as
ironically,
I
suppose
in
some
ways
as
the
building
plot
the
both
those
decisions
they
were
dealt
with
by
different
inspectors.
E
Both
decisions
were
issued
in
july
of
this
year.
They
were
issued
within
nine
days
of
each
other.
Both
proposals
concerned
new
houses
on,
in
effect,
what
were
vacant
vacant
sites,
although
our
site,
of
course
previously
did
have
the
nurseries
on
it.
E
The
inspector
dismissed
that
appeal
and
agreed
with
the
council
on
all
our
arguments,
the
primary
one
and
relevance
to
this
being
that
it
wasn't
an
infill
site,
also
agreed
with
us
in
respect
to
the
points
on
highway
safety
and
that
it
was
an
unsustainable
location,
and
that
was
despite
the
fact
that
in
2013,
an
appeal
for
a
detached
house
had
been
allowed
on
that
site
by
a
previous
inspector,
but
this
inspector
came
to
a
different
view,
so
that
was
the
building
plot
site
and
that
decision
came
out
in
the
first
july
this
year.
E
E
E
Nevertheless,
the
inspector
didn't
share
our
view
in
terms
of
highway
safety
concerns,
noted
the
view
in
terms
of
that
it's
unsustainable,
but
said
that
one
house
in
essence
would
not
make
a
material
material
difference,
and
I
think
it's
it's
fair
to
say
that
decision
was
reached
in
the
backdrop
that
there
was
formally
a
use
on
there
and
there
were
nursery
on
there.
So
there
would
have
been
some
activity
on
there
and
that's
a
balanced
decision
or
that
would
have
gone
into
the
balance
and
then
the
the
final
point.
E
The
inspector
disagreed
with
us
on
was
the
inspector
came
to
the
conclusion
that
this
was
an
infill
site
and
therefore,
once
inspector
once
she
had
identified
that
as
an
infill
site.
That's
one
of
the
categories
of
development,
which
is
planning
policy,
says,
is
acceptable
in
the
green
belt
and
therefore
the
inspector
set
aside
our
green
belt
objection
to
the
application.
E
E
So
we
had
a
position,
obviously,
where
officers
felt
that
there's
an
inconsistency
that
the
greenbelt
planning
policy,
although
the
the
inspector
had
issued
a
judgment
that
the
addition
that
judgment
was
flawed
and
it
expressed
that
disappointment
with
that
and
as
a
consequence
of
all
of
that,
we're
now
here
with
you
today
with
an
application
for
on
the
on
this
site
and
the
recommendation
heavily
reflects
the
fact
that
we've
got
a
recent
inspector's
decision,
albeit
that
we
disagree
with
that
decision.
E
But
we've
got
that
decision
and
that
the
that's
a
material,
significant
material
consideration
and
there's
been
no
material
change
in
circumstances
either.
Planning
policy-wise,
or
with
in
terms
of
circumstances
of
the
site
since
july
of
this
year,
and
that
the
applicant
has
had
regards
to
the
inspector's
specific
criticisms
as
followed
the
advice
of
the
inspector
as
it
were
and
has
amended
their
scheme
accordingly
and
and
hence
we
have
a
recommendation
with
you
today
for
permission.
A
Thank
you
david
for
that
very
straight,
clear
and
honest
account
of
of
the
process
to
date.
That's
much
appreciated
by
us.
So
can
I
open
this
up
now,
please
for
comments
and
discussion.
Anybody
like
to
start
us
going.
B
B
I
do
think
that
we've
got
two
contradictory
appeal
decisions,
but
I
accept
the
advice
from
officers
that
we
cannot
refuse
it
because
in
their
opinion
they
wait
applied
to
one
of
them.
I
disagree
with
that,
but
I
cannot
in
all
honesty,
go
against
it,
even
though
I
would
like
to
vote
against
it.
But
by
taking
the
advice
of
officers,
I
am
going
to
effectively
abstain
because
I
do
think
there
are
concerns
in
those
there.
I've
come
across
this
these
conflicting
decisions
before
and
why
should
we
give
what
greater
weight
to
one
over
the
other?
B
But
I
do
accept
carol's
comments
that
she's
made
today.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
councillor
anderson,
but
it
it'll
be
interesting
to
hear
from
other
people
how
they
feel
as
well,
because,
of
course,
if
everybody
abstains,
we
don't
get
a
decision.
Counselor
chamilt.
Are
you
indicating.
A
C
Yes,
I'm
unmuted.
Now
I
read
all
the
papers
on
this
and
I
actually
know
the
site
quite
well
and
we've
stuck
between
a
completely
stuck
between
a
rock
and
a
hard
place
with
this
one,
because
there
are
highways
issues
it
is
on
a
blind
corner
getting
in,
and
out
of,
there
is
extremely
tricky
at
the
best
of
times,
but
you
know
it
was
a
nurse.
It
was
a
nursery
before
so
the
so
the
traffic
flow
will
have
been
much
greater
than
from
one
house.
One
presumes
it
as
ever.
C
It
completely
sticks
in
my
throat
that
this
is
green
belt,
and
if
we,
if
we've
got
a
green
belt
policy,
then
we
should
stick
to
it
and
and
but
now
we're
arguing
about
whether
it's
infill
or
whether
it
isn't
so,
I'm
sorry
to
say
I
probably
will
be
abstaining
as
well,
because
I
can't
vote
for
it
because
it's
because
it's
still
green
belt,
but
we've
just
we've
we're
just
stuck
in
a
complete
log
jam
with
this
one
is
my
is
my
conclusion.
A
Thank
you
councillor,
chamilt,
any
any
further
comments
or
points
anyone
would
like
to
make
on
this
application.
A
Okay,
well,
people
are
not
coming
forward
now.
I
think
it's
it's.
I
can
understand
why
we've
reached
this
position,
so
I
think
the
first
thing
to
do
then
to
get
us
moving
is
to
is
to
is
anybody
prepared
to
move
the
recommendation.
A
I'll
move
it
chair,
thank
you,
councillor
brooks.
Do
I
have
a
second
I'll?
Second
it
thank
you.
Councillor
hamilton
now
we're
going
to
take
the
vote
in
in
the
usual
way.
If
I
may
so,
I'm
just
going
to
run
down
the
names
and
if
you
could
indicate
whether
you
are
voting
for
the
recommendation
or
against
or
abstaining,
please
councillor,
anderson
epstein,
councillor
brooks
or
councillor
hamilton,
four
councillor
hesselwood
ball.
A
And
my
vote
is
exactly
the
same
with
reservations.
Four,
so
could
you
summarize
that
for
us
please
andy.
B
A
So
that
is
clearly
carried,
and
thank
you
very
much
indeed,
that's
probably
the
shortest
meeting
of
the
south
and
west
plans
pal
that
we
have
ever
had.
I'm
sure
you'll
be
very
pleased
about
that,
but
I
do
think
that
that
was
a
very
difficult
decision
for
us
today
and
it
does
it's
very
irksome
when
we
are
having
to
vote
for
something
that
is
not
policy
compliant
because
of
the
circumstances
that
inspectors
have
imposed
upon
us
and
it's
a
sad
day
when
we
we
have
to
do
that.
A
I
thought
you
might
just
have
to
want
the
opportunity
to
say
thank
you
very
much
to
her
and
for
the
minutes
just
to
say
how
much
we've
appreciated
her
services
over
the
years,
how
expert
she's
become
and
how
we
will
really
really
miss
her.
So
thank
you
very
much.
I
think
pam
will
probably
listen
to
the
recording
of
this.
So
if
I
tell
you
pam
on
the
recording
that
people
are
clapping
using
their
hands
in
the
little
rectangles
for
you,
it's
a
strange
way
to
do
this.