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A
Good
afternoon
folks
welcome
everybody
to
development
plan
panel
with
now
being
webcast
live.
So
you
know
7.2
billion
potential
viewers,
so
everyone
carrying
conduct
themselves
in
a
courteous
and
professional
manner.
You
never
know
who
could
be
watching
right
so
welcome
everybody
development
plan
panel
on
the
first
of
march,
I'm
councilman
walsh,
I'd
share
the
panel
and
we'll
do
some
introductions
and
then
some
housekeeping
so
and
usually
might
go
to
my
left.
H
Good
afternoon,
ian
mckay
team
leader
in
policy
and
plans.
A
Thank
you
very
much
everybody
right
so
on
to
our
agenda.
Just
note
that
this
is
we've
meeting
with
broadcast
on
the
council's
youtube
channel
and
student
on
the
council's
website.
Members
of
public
are
are
now
able
to
attend
in
person
as
well,
but
there
are
some
we
have
to
be
ask
them
to
be
mindful
of
coronavirus,
which
is
still
circulating
inland
as,
as
we
all
know,
and
you
should
not
attend
if
you
have
a
positive
test
of
any
kind
right
so
tash.
A
If
you
want
to
go
through
the
first
four
items.
I
A
Great,
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
So
if
we
turn
to
a
gender
item
six
in
the
minutes,
which
is
on
page
70
of
your
hefty
document
pack,
we
have.
We
have
a
lot
of
material
to
go
through
this
afternoon.
Folks,
so
so
minutes
of
the
german
plan
panel
second
of
november.
Has
anyone
got
any
corrections
on
maps
arising
from
that?
H
Chair
just
a
matter
of
rising
the
the
meeting
discussed,
the
consultation
outcomes
of
the
local
plan,
update
and
work
is
underway
on
on
formulating
policies
on
on
the
local
plan
update,
and
it's
intended
that
we'll
run
two
member
workshops
in
march
to
set
out
where
we
are
with
policy
development
and
that
they'll
be
open
to
all
members
and
the
one
date
that
we
have
at
the
moment
is
the
21st
of
march,
which
coincides
with
a
sac
meeting,
that's
also
being
held,
but
we're
going
to
try
and
find
another
date
now
that
other
date
is
probably
going
to
be
an
online
meeting.
H
So
we'll
have
one
virtual
meeting
and
one
in-person
meeting,
which
will
be
the
seahack
meeting,
which
will
give
flexibility
and
hopefully
get
as
many
members
to
those
as
we
can.
D
H
A
Thanks
for
that
council
brooks,
can
anyone
prepare
to
move
the
minutes
as
a
true
record?
Yep
indications,
lovely
so
page
11
is
our
one-liner
meeting
with
the
14th
of
december,
which
the
the
site
allocations
plan
is
everyone?
Okay,
with
the
minutes,
any
matters
arising
from
them,
nope,
okay,
don't
prepare
to
move
them
as
a
true
record,
yep
indications
lovely!
Thank
you
very
much
right.
A
If
it's
a
trivial
spelling
mistake,
just
just
quietly
tell
tasha
we'll
correct
it.
Oh
come
on,
that's
a
common
one
to
do
anyone
prepared
to
move.
This
is
a
true
record.
Yep,
okay,
lovely
folks
right.
In
that
case,
we
are
moving
swiftly
along
to
page
19,
which
is
our
first
substantive
item,
which
is
the
concentration
on
the
transport
supplementary
planning
document,
and
I
don't
think
it
needs
any
more
introduction
from
myself,
but
julian
you're,
leading
off
on
this.
B
You
chair,
so
I
am
going
to
take
the
documents
as
read,
but
I'll
do
a
bit
of
an
introduction.
You
have
seen
the
spd
and
before
we
did
come
to
a
workshop
back
in
november
last
year
to
go
through
the
detail
of
it.
There's
been
some
minor
updates
made
since
then,
and
they
are
covered
in
the
consultation
statement,
which
is
appendix
one
of
this
report
and
then
the
spd
is
appendix
2..
It's
it's
been
a
long
time
coming.
We
know
it
doesn't
address
all
of
the
the
matters.
B
The,
for
example,
all
of
the
updates
that
will
be
will
be
coming
in
the
local
plan,
but
I
think
the
decision
was
made
and
has
been
made
that
it
ought
to
go
out
to
consultation.
We
ought
to
get
it
adopted.
It
does
bring
some
key
updates
to
the
existing
spd's
that
we've
got,
and
it
also
does
give
us
that
cumulative
impact
policy
which
we
are
without
guidance
on
at
the
moment.
B
A
B
It
is
I
mean
so
so
the
transport
spd-
it
is
a
technical
document
that
is
bringing
together
all
of
the
transport
related
spd's
that
we
currently
have.
So
we
currently
have
the
street
design
guide.
The
travel
plan
spd
the
parking
spd.
B
We
have
elements
that
have
been
superseded,
but
that
were
in
the
public
transport
developer
contributions
spd.
So
they
are
the
four
spd's
that
this
is
seeking
to
update
and
supersede
what
we
then
have
is
in
terms
of
our
site
allocation
plan.
We
and
the
core
strategy
sets
the
context
and
the
site
allocations.
Plan
gives
us
site
requirements
where
we
are
expecting
developers
to
pay
cumulative
impact
payments
and
the
cumulative
impact
payments
are
those
payments
where
individually,
a
development
might
not
be
having
a
significant
impact
on
a
corridor
or
a
junction
or
whatever.
B
But
when
you
look
at
all
of
the
planned
development
in
an
area,
it
will
have
a
cumulative
impact
or
they'll,
they
will
have
cumulative
impacts
together.
So
we
put
that
policy
position
together
in
the
core
strategy
carried
it
through
into
the
site
requirements
of
the
site
allocation
plan
and
this
the
element
part
five
of
this
just
gives
us
that
methodology
for
how
we're
going
to
calculate
that
cumulative
impact
payment.
B
Now
I
think,
during
the
course
of
of
doing
this,
we've
very
much
looked
at
rather
than
getting
money
from
developers
to
put
in
lots
of
extra
capacity
which
really
goes
against
our
new
connecting
needs
transport
strategy.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
get
still
still
collect
the
funding
to
put
towards
schemes
which
will
offset
increases
in
trips,
so
schemes
which
will
enable
increased,
walking,
cycling,
public
transport
use
and
therefore
offset
the
impact
of
these
developments
so
they're.
The
really
high
highlights,
like
I
said,
I'm
it
is.
It
is
a
very
technical
document.
B
It
isn't
one,
you
know
it's
not
a
bedtime,
read
I'm
afraid,
but
but
it's
very
useful
for
developers,
it's
very
useful
to
be
able
to
pick
bits
out
and
just
gives
you
know
the
leads
approach
to
to
these
aspects.
We
do
then
have
the
technical
standards
guidance
in
terms
of
our
adoption
criteria
and
the
appendices
to
this
document
as
well.
A
That's
really
useful.
It's
particularly
the
point
the
fact
it's
a
bringing
together
of
a
lot
of
elements
and
a
streamlining
and
then
and
then
a
technical
underpinning
for
a
lot
of
what
will
be
added
to
with
the
various
local
plans
view
we're
underway
with
questions
council,
collins,
councillor,
anderson,
councillor
campbell,
thank.
G
You
I
think
it
was
this
before
I
couldn't
see
an
answer
within
the
document,
but
it
is
a
long
document,
so
apologies
have
missed
it
cumulative
impact,
it's
just
having
some
proper
definition
as
to
what
we
are
counting.
I
think
really.
G
I
know
in
the
past
that
if
you've
got
two
developments
side
by
side,
you
haven't
looked
at
the
commun
cumulative
impact
of
those
two
applications.
So
what
what
sites
are
you
actually
looking
at
when
you're
reviewing
the
cumulative
impact?
Is
it
ones
that
already
exist?
Is
it
ones
that
have
planning
permission,
or
could
it
be
that
you
have
an
area
where
you've
got
half
a
dozen
pending
applications,
where
you
get
them
to
all
collaborate
together
to
find
out
what
the
total
impact
is,
because,
obviously
this
commercial
confidentiality
isn't
there?
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
chair,
so
the
the
policy
I
haven't
got
access
to
to
put
it
on
the
screen,
but
the
if
I
go
to,
let
me
just
find
the
page
for
you,
but
it's
part.
Five
leave.
C
A
B
Anyway,
so
so
it's
it's
very,
you
know
we
have
fixed
the
way
that
the
cumulative
impact
policy
will
work,
counselor
colin.
So
what
we've
done
is
we've
taken
hot
spot
junctions
across
the
city
which
have
been
identified
as
those
congested
junctions
that
will
be
impacted
by
the
development
plan,
so
it
was
brought
out
of
a
high
level
strategic
transport
model
to
identify
hotspot
junctions.
B
What
we've
then
done
is
we've,
looked
at
all
of
the
site
allocation
sites
and
assessed
which
sites
would
put
10
or
more
two-way
trips
through
those
congested
junctions,
and
that
effectively
is
a
methodology.
We've
used
so
10
trips
on
themselves.
Really,
probably,
wouldn't
you
wouldn't
notice
them
in
day-to-day
variations,
but
when
you've
got
six
sites,
putting
you
know
60
to
150
trips
through
these
junctions,
then
actually
they
are.
It.
Is
it's
going
to
be
more
noticeable,
so
so
they
are
pre-identified
locations
and
they're
pre-identified
sites.
B
The
way
we're
then
looking
at
try
what
what
amount
people
would
actually
have
to
pay
towards
it.
Is
that
we're
looking
at
the
fact
that
we've
got
there
for
say
five
sites
all
impacting
on
one
junction
that
we
we're
looking
at
the
amount
of
planned
additional
trips
that
would
be
going
through
that
junction
and
proportioning
so
say
the
first
site
had
25
of
the
total
of
those
extra
trips.
Then
they
would
pay
25
of
the
cost
of
the
scheme.
B
That
was
there
to
mitigate
and,
as
I
said
earlier,
the
scheme
generally
we're
not
looking
at
capacity
enhancement
schemes,
we're
looking
at
offsetting
the
schemes
so
they're
schemes
that
would
encourage
people
to
change
their
mode
and
therefore
you
know
give
more
capacity
through
a
junction
by
mode
change.
Instead,.
G
So
there
is
a
risk,
then
that
at
the
moment
you
might
have
a
junction,
that's
not
on
your
high
level,
problematic
radar,
but
it
could
be
close
and
there
could
be
a
development
that
then
tips
it
over
the
edge.
If
you
see
what
I
mean
so,
and
it
does
become
a
problem
junction,
then
so
how?
How
often
are
you
reviewing
whether
further
junctions
need
to
be
added
onto
that
list
of
ones
that
need
a
proper
review
if
something
else
is
going
to
be
travelling
through
them?.
B
K
Yeah
right
as
the
chief
planning
officer
well
as
the
chief
planning
officer,
is
aware,
I'm
having
issues
over
the
use
of
section
106
money
just
now.
So
what
are
we
going
to
put
in
place
to
enable
it
to
be
used
properly?
I've
contacted
a
guy
called
finn
campbell
to
try
and
get
an
update,
because
I've
asked
them
the
question
about
metro
cards.
K
How
many
have
been
issued
in
my
word
and
how
many
have
actually
been
used
and
how
many
are
still
stuck
in
people's
drawers
because
we've
wasted,
I
would
argue,
as
a
city,
a
lot
of
money
doesn't
matter
which
part
of
the
city
we're
in
you
know:
we've
wasted
money
on
that.
So
how
can
we,
as
elected
members,
get
more
involved
and
where
the
money
is
being
spent
because
highways
in
its
broadest
sense,
have
wanted
to
use
some
section?
K
106
monies
road
safety
improvements
but
being
told
very
clearly:
that's
not
what
the
section
106
agreement
says.
Sorry,
so
I've
made
the
suggestion
to
the
chief
planning
officer.
Maybe
we
need
to
think
about
the
way
we
draw
up
the
section
106
to
give
us
a
greater
flexibility.
But,
what's
in
here
that
ward
members
can
get
a
hold
of
that,
can
help
us
look
at
the
issues
and
problems
that
we've
got
when
you
just
mentioned
cumulative
impact.
K
Well,
the
example
I'd
give
you
in
my
area
is
the
daily
arms
otley's
been
developed
just
about
out
of
existence
in
terms
of
the
number
of
developments
that
it's
got
pool
ram.
Hope
the
major
developments
coming
up
at
the
airport,
not
necessarily
the
airport
itself,
but
the
employment
site
are
all
going
to
have
to
go
through
that,
and
there
doesn't
appear
to
be
any
great
plans
to
resolve
that.
Even
if
you
got
the
money,
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
anything
on
even
being
discussed
as
to
how
we're
going
to
solve
that
particular
problem.
K
So
what
is
there
in
here
that
we
could
hang
our
hats
on
as
ward
members
to
feel
confident
that
somebody
somewhere
is
going
to
grasp
the
nettle
and
do
something
about
it
so
in
terms
of
using
money
properly
to
meet
the
needs
of
local
people?
And
secondly,
how
we're
going
to
get
plans
put
on
you
know,
move
them
on
prior
to
the
developments
taking
place,
because
if
we
wait
till
all
the
development
takes
place,
it's
going
to
be
about
15
years
before
we
finally
get
around
to
sorting
the
daily
arms
out.
A
Okay,
yeah,
just
as
a
point
of
view
for
that
developer,
contributions
that
pay
for
metro
cards,
those
elements
of
the
section,
106
agreements,
yeah
yeah,
specifically
also
never
heard
of
a
place
being
developed
out
of
existence.
That
would
seem
to
be
a
contradiction
in
terms.
Council
anderson.
A
I
think
you
believe
you're
referring
to
the
east
of
oklahoma,
which
has
been,
which
has
been
somewhat
put
back
due
to
the
issues
it
maintains,
changing
the
character
of
an
eight
yes,
that's
that,
indeed,
can
happen.
I
think
choice
of
words
is
important.
Nonetheless,
jillian,
do
you
want
to
definitely
speak
to
those
points
yet.
C
Thank
you,
chad.
Just
coming
on
the
first
points
that
counts
anderson
raised
before
julian
comes
in
on
some
of
the
others
I
mean
just
in
terms
of
one
or
six.
More
generally,
I
mean
I
think
his
members
are
aware
they
have
to
be
related
to
the
development,
so
in
terms
of
the
the
funds
or
the
the
interventions
that
arise
from
that,
they
have
to
be
linked
to
that
proposal.
That
has
to
be
specifically
set
out
as
part
of
that
agreement.
C
B
Yeah
yeah,
thank
you,
so
so
the
section
106
monies
to
begin
with,
I
think,
just
generally.
B
From
my
perspective,
I
am
actually
getting
an
additional
member
of
staff
just
to
give
me
more
assistance,
so
I
can
give
all
of
you
more
assistance
in
terms
of
the
position
on
the
section
106
of
my
monies,
so
hopefully
that
person
will
be
in
post
within
the
next
month
or
so
so
that
would
will
be
a
good
start
for
me
because
I'll
be
able
to
respond
a
bit
more
a
bit
quicker
to
you
on
it.
As
david
has
said,
you
know
it
is
prescribed
so
the
metro
cards.
B
We
don't
get
money
specifically
for
metro
cards
anymore.
I
think
there
was
a
meeting
of
of
this
plans
panel
some
some
years
ago
where
we
agreed.
We
would
change
our
approach
and-
and
we
now
use
a
residential
travel
plan
fund
for
developments
now,
some
of
that
money
can
go
on
metro
cards
if
that
is
the
most
appropriate
measure
for
the
resident
of
that
site.
But
money
is
it's
also
going
on
car
club
trials?
It's
going
on
other.
You
know
bike
vouchers,
it's
going
on
other
other!
B
Other
means
of
encouraging
sustainable
travel
from
from
residential
traffic
travel
residential
sites
that
we're
developing
when
it's
dealt
with
so
metro
cars,
though,
if
the
money
has
gone
for
metro
cards,
it's
administered
by
wika,
so
we
don't
have
direct
access
to
that
information,
but
we
do
have
regular
meetings
with
them.
In
fact,
we've
got
one
this
week
with
weicher,
so
I
think
some
of
the
questions
you've
asked
councillor.
Anderson
will
be
able
to
get
the
answers
to.
K
Yeah
eden
was
present
as
well,
and
you
were
to
begin
with.
It
was
at
the
last
sea
act
meeting
we
were
talking
about
the
electronic
e-bikes
and
about
how,
in
the
main,
it's
going
to
be
inside
the
outer
ring
road,
roughly
speaking,
not
not
exclusively
but
roughly
speaking
to
stanford
now,
and
we
were
talking
about
the
cost
of
it.
K
So
so
so.
In
other
words,
if
you
put
some
of
that
funding
into
that
type
of
thing,
because
once
you
get
people
using
their
car,
I
think
people
will
continue
to
use
it.
So
if
we
can
get
them
using
public
transport
or
the
e-bikes
from
day
one
when
they
arrive
in
an
area,
there's
a
greater
chance
of
them
continuing
to
that's
where
I'm
coming
from
it's.
It's
that
type
of
logic.
K
K
You
know
how
many
times
do
we
fall
out
with
highways
colleagues
at
plants
panels,
because
we
don't
think
they've
gone
far
enough
and
you
always
come
back
and
tell
us
we're
wrong,
except
that
I
mean,
but
we're
always
challenging.
We
always
challenge
highways.
You
know
at
most
plans
panels
we
challenge,
so
it's
we've
got
to
use
this
document
equally,
your
staff
have
got
to
use
this
document
and
we
need
to
work
better
together.
That's
what
I'm
that's,
what
I'm
coming
about,
so
that
we
can
say
to
the
developers?
K
Well,
yes,
you
can
have
this
development,
but
how
about
having
a
degree
of
flexibility
over
the
funding
as
to
should
it
be
used
to
subsidise
bus
services?
If
it
does,
it
means
that
we
will
end
up
giving
the
money
to
the
mayor
if,
if
it
goes
down
the
route,
that
luke's
is
going
to
do
we'll
end
up
giving
the
money
direct
to
the
mayor
and
the
mayor
will
then
decide
how
it's
spent
in
running
the
bus
service.
However,
it
falls
out
in
the
end-
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
transparent.
J
K
A
Yeah,
well,
I
think,
look
I
think
we
we
should
be
flexible
and
open-minded
about
how
we
best
most
appropriately
take
money
from
the
vast
earnings
the
developers
make
from
development
and
use
it
for
the
betterment
of
people
in
leeds,
but
you're
right.
So,
for
example,
that
bike
scheme
comes
online
that'd
be
a
really
interesting
use
of
it.
I
think
metro
cads
can
work
in
certain
situations.
A
I
think
some
studies,
you
know
subsidizing
bus
services
can
work
in
some
situations,
it's
about
being
appropriate,
isn't
it
I
think,
as
long
as
we've
got
the
tool
kit
to
do
that,
and
then-
and
also
electric
members,
obviously
always
want
to
be
able
to
offer
challenge
at
plans
panel
to
make
sure
that
developers
are
in
accord
with
that
kind
of
toolkit.
As
we
keep
saying,
counselor
anderson,
if
it's
not
policy
or
compliance,
it's
not
getting
in.
K
Now,
if
we're
going
to
be
consulting
with
residents
and
giving
them
a
say,
then
they
have
things
that
they
feel
on
a
transport
side
would
make
a
development
less
objectionable,
more
acceptable,
depending
on
what
side
of
the
argument
you're
on.
But
if
it's
all
going
to
be
overridden,
because
officers
centrally
are
going
to
decide
how
that
money
is
going
to
be
spent,
then
it
makes
you
know,
ian's
job
harder
to
consult
with
people.
If
the
residents
want
to
do
x
and
officers
want
to
do
why
it's?
How
do
we
get
the
meeting
of
minds?
B
Can
I
just
come
back
in
it's
not
specific
I'll,
let
others
talk
about
the
sci,
but
I
think
certainly
you
know
once
we
have
a
section
106
that's
signed,
then
usually
it's
very
prescriptive
about
what
we're
spending
money
on
there
might
be
choice
in
terms
of
a
travel
plan
fund,
part
and
certainly
e-bike
usage-
will
be
one
thing
that
will
be
adding
to
that
list,
but
so
the
time
I
think
for
being
really
clear
about
what
it
is
you
know,
you'd
like
to
achieve
out
of
the
development
is
at
the
stage
of
the
planning
application
so
that
actually,
when
we
sign
that
section
106,
it's
got
the
scheme
in
it
that
that
you
want
it
to
have
in
it.
B
B
J
Well,
you
just
answered
part
of
my
first
question,
which
is
the
daily
arms
one
of
the
hot
spot
junctions.
So
the
answer
that
is
yes,
so,
presumably
the
east
of
octoly
development
should
it
ever
come
forward.
There
would
be
a
contribution
towards
a
cumulative
impact
contribution
towards
that,
making
it
even
more
expensive
still.
J
I
I,
as
you
say
most
this
document's
fairly
technical
and
so
I'm
not
going
to
comment
on
the
visibility
displays
or
anything
like
that,
but
and,
as
you
say,
there's
a
lot
in
there.
So
I've
just
got
a
list
of
things
that
that
came
to
me
while
I
was
reading
through
it,
which
maybe
and
then
I've
missed
or
or
you
know,
there's
no
particular
order
to
any
of
these.
So
I'll
just
go
through
my
list
as
it
came
in.
J
One
relates
to
cycle
parking
and
we've
got
a
fairly
clear
section
about
what
appears
to
be
on
street
cycle.
Packaging
sheffield
stands
in
particular,
there's
the
housing
one
as
well.
There
doesn't
seem
to
be
anything
about.
I
suppose
you
described
as
lockable
storage
cycle
storage
units.
J
I
mean
there
are
a
number
of
authorities
now
that
have
covered
on-street
cycle
lockable
cycle
parking
and
in
particular
I
think
I
noticed
it
a
couple
of
months
ago
a
couple
where
they
are
secure,
lockable,
cargo
bike
facilities
and
I
think
if
we
are
to
to
try
and
push
people
into
using
cargo
bikes
within
a
a
localized
area.
We
need
some
sort
of
secure
parking
available.
J
And
I
think,
if
you
put
in
a
space
within
a
development
such
as
easter
butler
for
a
car
share
point,
you
could
also
put
in
at
the
same
time
a
cargo
bike
storage
point
if
you're
trying
to
make
that
as
part
of
yeah
right
as
members
will
know,
I
I
I've
said
on
more
than
one
occasion
that
I
think
we
let
developers
in
the
city
centre
off
lightly
in
relation
to
parking,
because
in
in
our
area,
we
ask
for
two
per
two
per
dwelling,
at
least
whereas
in
the
city
centre,
if
you
get
a
disabled,
bear
you're
doing
well,
and
the
argument
also
is
that
this
this
transport
box,
but
the
transport-
let's
be
honest,
the
transport
networking
leads
is
not
the
best
and
the
internal
box.
J
It's
another
one
of
my
old
bug
bears,
but
julian
I'm
sure
you're
ready
for
this
one,
and
it
relates
to
the
size
of
car
parking
spaces
and
more
particularly
the
size
of
garage
doors.
J
So
if
you
look
at
a
modern
mini
as
opposed
to
an
original
mini
for
those
of
us
who
remember
they're
about
twice
as
big
right,
well,
they're
about
twice
as
big
a
modern
minute
is
about
twice
as
big.
My.
J
So
we
we're
talking-
and
one
of
the
issues
that
I
think
we
we
see
on
some
of
the
estates-
is
that
actually
people
don't
use
their
garages
and
people
tend
to
use
a
caddish
for
all
sorts
of
things,
but
they
don't
put
the
car
in
the
garage
for
the
simple
reason
that
there
isn't
really
enough
room
to
easily
either
reverse
in
or
driving.
J
And
the
same,
I
think,
is
true
on
a
lot
of
our
estates
with
the
actual
space
to
park
a
car,
and
so
I
I
would
like
us
to.
I
would
like
to
feel
comfortable
that
we've
looked
at
that
and
increased
the
size
of
those
two
dimensions,
and
I
had
something
else
which
I've,
oh
yeah,
the
other
one
relates
to
on
street
parking.
J
And
I
know
there
are
a
number
of
elements
within
here
about
that.
But
I
can't
find
anything
which
I
suppose
is
a
design
exemplar
about
how
you
stop
on
street
parking
leaking
onto
the
adjacent
pavements
throughout
grass
verge.
J
And
I
think
from
my
point
of
view.
If,
while
we
continue
to
allow
motorists
to
park
effectively
on
the
pavement
or
on
the
grass
verge,
then
it
defeats
the
whole
object
of
what
we're
trying
to
do,
because
it
ruins
grass
verges
and
then,
in
the
case
of
pavements,
it
means
pedestrians
end
up
walking
on
the
road.
So
I
and
it
may
be
in
here,
but
I
haven't
found
that
and
if
it
isn't,
can
we
put
it
in.
A
Right
thanks,
council
camp,
that's
quite
a
list.
I
think
I
think
particularly
a
particular
interest
in
myself
is
the
the
city
center
parking
approach,
because
in
a
super,
sustainable
location
like
the
city
centre,
you're,
absolutely
loath
to
see
parking
space
has
been
in
development,
but
if
that
can
be
become
captured
as
part
of
a
financial
mechanism,
I
think
that's
worth
exploring
at
least
and
that
might
require
filing
for
not
filing
but
developing,
for
perhaps
a
future
document.
B
Thank
you,
chair
yeah.
Thank
you.
The
the
first
one
council
campbell,
the
the
lockable
cycle-
storage.
It
isn't
in
here
it
is
something
that
colleagues
are
currently
looking
at
cycle
hangers.
I
think
they
call
them
at
them,
and
it's
something
I
think
we
did
get
some
funding
for
through
the
active
travel
fund
to
see
if
we
could
implement
some.
I
don't
think
yes,
we've
quite
managed
to
get
a
model
that
we're
happy
to
introduce,
and
that
really
certainly
is
one
of
the
reasons
it's
not
in
here.
B
So
I
think
it
will
be
coming,
but
perhaps
a
bit
too
late
to
get
into
this
document
I'll
skip
parking
in
the
city
centre
for
now
come
back
to
it.
Garage
doors
have
been
added
and
we
have
a
dimension:
a
width
of
2.6
meters,
clear
width
for
a
garage
door.
Now
that's
wider
than
a
standard
parking
bay.
So
it's
and
it's
the
first
time
we've
had
guidance
in
the
document,
so
that
has
been
added
in.
B
Yeah
so
then,
this
final
issue
about
on-street
parking
design
exemplars,
I
mean
certainly
something
we've
had
that
discussion
within
the
team
about
looking
out,
for,
I
think
after
certainly
after
the
lane
side.
Farm
example
of
you
know:
how
do
you
prevent
vehicles
from
bumping
up
onto
verges?
B
It
again,
I
think,
in
terms
of
the
whole
design
of
the
document
it's
covered
by
the
fact
we
want
it
to
be
fit
for
purpose
and
we
want
it
to
be.
You
know
you
know
designed
on
street.
That's
what
it
says
in
the
document,
so
that
would
include
ensuring
that
it
wasn't
to
be
used
inappropriately.
B
We
can
never
fully
ensure
that,
but,
but
you
know,
the
government
has
been
doing
that
consultation
on
pavement
parking
and
I
think
we'll
see
where
that
goes,
and
you
know
they'll
have
much
further
reaching
impacts
for
leads,
I'm
so
going
back
to
parking
in
the
city
centre.
Did
you
want
to
come
in
on
that?
One
martin.
H
Thanks
julian,
I
was
just
going
to
say,
councillor
campbell
legally,
an
spd
can
only
expand
on
policy
which
already
exists,
and
one
of
the
things
which
is
very
clear
in
government
guidance
is
that
is
that
it
can't
place
additional
financial
burdens
on
development
that
aren't
already
signaled
through
a
statutory
development
plan
document,
such
as
the
core
strategy
or
the
site
allocations
plan.
There
would
be
options
to
to
look
at
that
as
we
progress
local
plan
update
policies
specifically
around
place,
making
20
minute
neighborhoods
in
the
city
centre.
J
I
think
I'd
prefer
to
use
the
word
will,
rather
than
can
because
that
you
know
you
will
forgive
me,
but
I've
sat
through
a
lot
of
meetings
where
officers
said
we
can
do
this,
but
we
actually
never
quite
do
that.
I
think
we're
gonna
have
to
get
a
grip
on
all
of
this
lot,
because
if
we
can't
get
people
out
of
their
car,
I
think
onto
public
transport
and
if
there
isn't
a
decent
public
transport.
J
Now
it
is
a
report
today,
isn't
it
from
the
international
climate,
whatever
it
is
at
the
un
saying
things
are
much
worse
than
we
thought
they
were,
so
we
we're
really
gonna
have
to
be
radical
on
this
and
I
know
we'll
all
get
grief
for
it,
but
you
know
it's
our
grandchildren
that
need
to
we're
going
to
pick
this
up.
Just
just
to
pick
up
on
your
point
about
lockable
storage.
J
J
They
will
provide
on-street
lockable
cycle
so
that
you
don't
have
to
keep
your
bike
in
your
front
room
and,
I
think
that's
a
model.
We
could
look
at
certainly
for
lots
well,
headedly.
It
would
work
out
in
your
part
of
the
world.
It
would
work
out
in
part
of
ours.
I
think
it
works
in
most
people's
areas.
Isn't
it
I
don't
see?
Actually
do
it
on.
A
I
think
it's
worth
pursuing.
I
think
I'd
like
to
see
the
definitely
we
should
pursue
that,
but
also
what,
if
in
london,
if
there's
somewhat
of
a
in
those
areas,
you're
mentioning
just
thinking
off
top
my
head,
there
might
be
perhaps
a
reduced
car
ownership
that
facilitates
that
extra
space
on
street.
I
think
we
should
be
if
we
want.
We
want
people
to
use
their
cars
less.
I
know
an
approach,
attitudes
to
car
ownership
and
are
changing
even
even
up
here.
Aren't
they
so
that's
an
interesting
one
to
pursue
right.
Councillor,
hayden.
E
E
This
part
of
me
thinks
that
we
shouldn't
actually
be
facilitating
anybody
owning
a
car,
because
it
is
the
single
biggest
emitter
of
carbon
that
we
personally
do
in
in,
and
you
know
in
terms
of
our
our
daily
lives
so-
and
I
take
your
point
about
the
buses
and
they're
getting
worse
as
we
need
them
to
get
better
and
it's
because
of
the
pandemic,
and
it's
just
a
perfect
storm,
which
we
kind
of
saw
last
week
as
well.
Didn't
we
so?
But
it's
really.
E
I
really
welcome
the
talking
in
terms
of
the
community
communicative
effect.
Okay,
I'm
saying
and
especially
section
of
chapter
11,
the
landscape,
green
infrastructure.
Then
there's
some
really
interesting
research.
There
that's
come
out
the
united
states
about
trees
being
able
to
essentially
become
traffic
calming
measures,
as
well
as
all
the
amazing
cooling
effects,
and
but
I
know
that
in
my
part
of
the
world,
people
don't
like
trees.
Next
near
their
houses,
in
case
they
fall
down,
but
actually
it
it.
E
It
says
in
here
about
that
they
actually
allow
the
wind
to
come
through.
So
actually
can
you
know
mitigate
against,
and
we
see
we
saw
last
week
last
week.
Didn't
we
and
ten
days
ago,
terrible
sites
of
trees
coming
crashing
into
people's
houses,
that
it
must
be
incredibly
frightening,
but
but
they
are
in
such
as
even
reducing,
obviously
reducing
wind
speeds
in
winter.
Therefore,
reducing
heat
loss
from
buildings,
so
they
actually
reduce
the
wind
speed.
E
You
know
to
be
drawn
out
of
this
document,
which
is
a
technical
document,
but
is
also
lends
a
lot
to
how
we're
going
to
tackle
the
climate
emergency
going
forward,
and
you
know,
bring
those
benefits
towards
avoided,
skin
cancer
and
all
sorts
and
noise
levels,
all
those
things
that
actually
really
annoy
our
residents
and
ourselves
that
live
in
because
we
all
live
in
our
areas.
E
If
I
just
respond
a
little
bit
to
counselor
anderson
we'd,
all
not
border
the
bot
yeah-
and
I
know
the
thing
that
section
106
money
should
stay
in
the
world-
that's
generated
it,
but
it
may
be
that
developments
causing
problems.
In
other
words,
it
could
be.
A
D
Thanks
chair
just
just
a
couple
of
points,
clarification
really
so
in
the
in
the
sort
of
pedestrian
bit,
there's
lots
of
very
lovely
loads
and
loads
and
loads
of
quite
technical
language
and
everything,
and
then
it
comes
to
mixed-use
schemes,
which
I
think
everyone
knows,
the
the
majority
of
the
developments
coming
forward
in
my
ward
and
mixed
use
schemes
and
in
the
inner
area
at
the
moment,
and
I'm
I'm
a
bit
concerned
that
it's
not
it's
not
really
that
clear
as
to
what
we
expect
from
developers,
I
can.
D
I
can
see
the
need
for
flexibility,
but
surely
we
should
be
laying
out
what
we
want
them
to
do
like
what?
What
the
bare
minimum
is
that
we
want
from
them.
I
can.
I
can
see
that
it
says
the
mix
use
scheme.
Oh
no,
wait
hang
on
sorry
connect
type.
One
connector
streets
can
be
designed
to
accommodate
a
mix
of
residential
and
commercial
traffic
where
necessary.
D
Now
that
that
doesn't
scream
to
me
that
there
is
equity
between
the
internet
or
areas
that
says
to
me,
you
can
do
it.
It's
not!
It's
not
really
strong
enough.
So
I
was
just
wondering
if
that
could
be
tidied
up
a
little
bit.
I
suppose,
but
then
as
well
as
that,
the.
D
On
page
44
of
the
report,
not
of
the
document
pack
thing
it,
it's
got
that
it's
got
that
diagram,
that
I
took
issue
with
last
time
and
it
just
says,
proposed
planting
should
be
taken
into
account
in
any
safety
order.
Can
is
that
is
that
about
pedestrian
safety
specifically,
and
are
we
going
to
be
expecting
developers
to
like
employ
the
services
of
a
of
a
safety
expert
to
assess
that
or
what
I'm
concerned
about
is
pedestrian
safety
at
night
time
and
poor
visibility
so
yeah
just
those
two
things.
D
A
No
thanks
good
points
officers,
yeah
yep,.
B
Yep,
thank
you
chair
the
yeah,
the
type
one
connector
street.
I
think
really
what
we
were
trying
to
say
was
you
don't
need
an
industrial
style
road
if
it's
got
some
commercial
development
on,
so
you
can
use
a
connector
street
for
developments
that
are
mixed.
So
perhaps
the
another
way
that
certainly
the
way
you
read
it,
it
didn't
sound
very
positive,
but
I
think
it
is.
B
It
is
intended
to
be
positive
to
say
that
you
don't
have
to
go
up
to
the
next
standard
of
road,
so
I
wouldn't
take
a
negative
from
it,
but
I'm
trying
to
think
there's
a
way
of
changing
it
to
make
that
more
specific.
But
I'm
not
sure
if
I
can
an
excuse.
A
I
said
an
example
would
be
good
because
when
yeah,
when
councilbooks
was
reading
it
out,
I
was
suddenly
picturing
and
then
you're
answering.
I
was
only
picturing,
so
you
wouldn't
have
to
have
as
wide
a
road
you
wouldn't
have
heavy
curbage.
You
could
have
appropriate
floor
treatment.
Treatage
bolady
type
street
furniture
planting
benches.
That
kind
of
thing,
but
it
would
still
be
accessible.
Am
I
on
the
wrong
lines
here.
B
No,
I
think
I
think
you
are
you
find
yes,
I'm
thinking,
for
example,
the
the
retro
site
of
thought
park.
If
you
go
in
there,
it's
commercial
at
the
front
and
then
residential
at
the
back
and
it's
a
mix
of
you
know,
I'm
not
sure
how
it
would
look
on
an
example
if
we
had
a
photo
or
whatever.
But
it's
that's
a
sort
of
an
example,
and
you
know
there
are
other
areas
I
think
easter
butler.
B
I
know
it
hasn't
got
it
hasn't
it's
not
progressing
at
the
moment,
but
I
think
that's
a
mix
of
commercial
and
residential
as
well.
So
it
would
just
be.
You
know
there
are
those
sorts
of
potential.
B
So
what
we
don't
just
want
is
to
end
up
with
industrial
standard
roads
that
eventually,
you
know
effectively
end
up
serving
residential
development.
On
the
second
point.
Yes,
so
when
we
do
safety
audits,
it
is
a
it
is
a
qualified
auditor
and
it's
it's
someone
who
was
they
have
to
if
it's
from
the
same
company
than
the
chinese
wall-
and
you
know
it's
it's
somebody
who
is
what's
the
word,
I'm
looking
for
independent
of
of
the
design
team.
D
Does
that
include
reducing
danger
of
attack
at
night
time
and
things
like
that,
though,
or
is
it?
Is
it
very
basic
like
like
what
sort
of
level
are
we
talking
about,
because
what
I
don't
want
is
for
there
to
be
an
increase
in
attacks
on
pedestrians
at
night
time,
whether
men
or
women.
B
I've
never
seen
one
that
specifically
looks
at
stranger
danger
or
that
sort
of
thing
it
is
a
road
safety
order.
It
is
about.
You
know,
clearly
the
highway
scheme
that
we're
looking
at.
So
I
I've
seen
them
before
that
look
at
lighting
and
lighting
levels
and
lack
of
lighting
and
that
sort
of
thing
to
be
fair.
I'm
not
sure
I've
had
any
that
where
we
would
suggest
that
you'd
have,
because
I
think
it
was
masking
from
the
from
the
greenery.
Wasn't
it
from
the
hedging
that
was.
B
That
was
the
issue
that
was
raised,
I'm
not
sure
we've
yet
to
have
one
of
those
schemes
audited,
and
so
it
may
do.
But
I
can't
say
it
definitely
would
cover.
D
Sorry,
just
come
back
here
that
that's
a
a
big
concern,
because
if,
if
we
asking
for
hedges
like
trees,
basically
fine
because
they're
tall,
they
don't,
they
don't
really
mask.
But
if
we're
asking
for
hedges
to
screen
like
we
need
to
have
something
about
like
a
maximum
height
or
something
like
that
to
try
and
try
and
mitigate
any
any
danger
that
that
will
come
from,
I
mean
to
be
fair,
not
just
night
time,
but
you
know
why
attacks
can
happen
at
any
time
of
the
day
or
night.
D
A
That's
really
sensible
castle
gruen.
G
Thank
you,
my
points
about
the
consultation
process
actually,
but
just
referring
to
an
earlier
part
of
the
debate
about
removing
traffic
from
the
road
I
mean.
I
really
do
think
that
this
is
an
absolute
priority,
but
for
me-
and
I
know
I
sound
like
an
old-fashioned
gramophone
record
going
round
and
round
until
public
transport
becomes
a
viable
and
reasonable
alternative.
G
G
So
traffic
is
the
thing
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at
to
control
and
reduce,
but
I
I
must
say
that
until
we
have
public
transport
that
will
get
us
from
a
to
b
in
a
reasonably
efficient
manner,
we
will
not
get
people
out
of
their
public
transit
out
of
their
cars
and,
and
so
that
has
got
to
be
an
absolute
priority
for
the
city.
Absolutely.
A
J
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
you're
right.
I
think
that
the
the
deregulated
bus
service,
except
on
those
really
high
profile,
high
profitable
routes,
is
looking
very
iffy
at
the
moment.
But
I
have
to
be
honest
with
you
and
say
I
can't
see
a
replacement
because
I
can't
see
the
city,
council
or
wike
is
stepping
up
to
produce
a
comprehensive
network
best
way
in
the
world.
I
wouldn't
mind
them
trying,
but
best
one
in
the
world.
I
can't
see
them
funding
it.
A
No
it'll
be
an
absolute
strategic
priority
for
for
for
wike
for
the
care
for
the
mayor,
but
also
it'll
need
to
be
a
strategic
priority
for
government
because
it's
happening
in
west
yorkshire,
it's
happening
elsewhere
and
it'll
be
beholden
on
government
to
drop
its
ideological
blinkers
from
each
obsession
with
deregulating
and
privatizing
everything.
That's
going
to
be
an
abundantly
clear!
You
don't
see.
A
The
the
outside
london
english
system
is
very
rarely
replicated
in
anywhere
else
on
the
planet,
for
good
reason,
because
it's
bobbins
and
it
doesn't
work
and
we're
having
that
demonstrated
as
yet
again
if
the
last
previous
30
years
wasn't
clear
enough,
we're
having
it
reinforced
yet
again,
so
we'll
see
how
that
develops.
Counselor
campbell,
council
mckenna.
C
Thank
you,
chair
colin.
You
brought
me
back
to
my
battles
in
the
late
80s
regarding
deregulation
of
business.
I
was
very
much
involved
at
the
time.
I
was
a
bus
driver
and
I
have
to
say
we
lovely
parliament.
We
went
all
over
the
place.
We
did
everything
we
could
to
with
my
union,
which
is
unite
now
tng
in
those
yet
days,
and
we
did
warn
about
what
exactly
what
you
said.
In
fact,
it
didn't
take
20
years
for
it
to
happen.
It
was
happening
within
few.
C
A
few
years
once
cross
subsidization
had
ceased
unprofitable
routes
just
disappeared.
Unless
west
yorkshire
passenger
transport
was
prepared
to
fund
them,
which
they
did
in
a
number
of
cases,
but
with
diminishing
resources
over
the
years,
that's
become
less
of
a
possibility.
C
Olla.
Yesterday's
thank
you
for
reminding
me
my
my
question
is
just
a
basic
one
and
I
apologize
in
advance
if
it's
in
it,
but
have
we
got
a
policy
regarding
e-scooters
now
I
know
they're
on
trial
at
the
moment,
and
it's
actually
illegal
for
most
of
these
people
who
drive
around
on
them
and
they
shouldn't
be
on
pavements.
C
They
should
be
on
roads
and
you
should
have
a
driving
licence,
but
it
does
seem
to
me
that
this
is
going
to
grow
very
substantially
to
say,
there's
so
many
thousands
on
the
road
when
it's
not
legal,
it's
obviously
something
that's
going
to
take
off,
particularly
in
the
indiana
areas,
where
short
distances,
maybe
from
army
heading
near
bramley
to
town
it
might
be
less
likely
in
the
outer
areas,
but
who
knows
they
might
come
up
with
a
more
powerful
version.
So
if
we
haven't
got
anything,
I
think
we
should
have
something
on
it.
B
There's
nothing
in
the
spd
on
these
scooters.
What
we
have
I
mean
leads
pulled
out
of
the
trial
just
because
we
had
so
many
difficulties
with
our
cycle
lane.
The
formatting
and
the
traffic
regulation
orders
if
it
if
it
is
legalized
which
it
looks
like
it
might
be
through
through
rental
schemes,
then
you
know
that
would,
I
would
hope,
come
with
some
of
the
the
things
that
were
missing
through
the
trials
and
legislation,
hopefully
to
make
them
not
vehicles
as
a
first
off,
but
it
would.
B
They
would
still
be
illegal
to
to
cycle
on
or
to
ride
on
footways.
So
it
would.
It
would
be
cycle
lanes
or
carriageways.
So
I
think
we
will
have
to
cross
that
bridge
when
we
come
to
it.
But
at
the
moment,
they're,
not
legal,
within
public
areas
in
in
leeds
they're,
not
legal
on
the
highway
in
any
anywhere
and
the
police
have
a
information
leaflet
to
provide
to
riders.
But
I
think
they're,
doing
very,
very
yeah
soft
approach
to
enforcement.
Shall
we
say.
C
Please
thanks
julian
for
that
yeah.
I
I'm
very
much
aware
that
it's
not
legal,
but
while
this
hits
the
payment
will
be-
and
I
think
we
should
have
prepare
a
section
and
prepare
some
comments.
You
know
just
to
just
to
let
people
know
when
it
goes
out
to
consultation
with
the
general
public.
Many
of
them,
I
suppose,
we'll
be
riding
these
computers
that
we
are
aware
of
there.
There
is.
There
is
a
stagnation
point
because
of
lack
of
government
legislation,
but
it
should
become
legal
we'd
like
to
see
a
b
c.
A
F
I
was
just
going
to
says
I
totally
agreed
counsellor
and
mckenna
and
if
you
take
consular
campbell
point
of
view
with
getting
the
cars
after
the
road,
this
is
highlighting
young
people,
because
at
the
moment
we
do
see
the
scooters
around
the
area.
So
we
need
to
prepare
for
it
because
it
is
going
to
happen
and
it's
preparation
that
get
it
started
and
the
bus
again.
Yes,
we
do
need
a
proper
bus
in
the
factory
to
get
the
cars
because
concert
campbell.
F
K
J
F
A
Good
points
well
made:
I've
got
now.
Council
grew
in
the
council
ahead
and,
let's
hate
cancer.
I
didn't
know
it
was
something
specific
to
those.
So
I
don't.
E
G
G
It
just
seems
to
me
that
70
respondents
in
total
seems
an
incredibly
small
number,
that's
out
of
everybody
in
the
city,
and
so
when
it
comes
to
the
percentages
that
follow
that
about
how
you
know
number
of
comments
and
percentage
of
respondents
on
each
of
the
parts.
I
I
question
whether
that's
statistically
relevant
really
and,
as
I
recall,
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
discussing
how
to
make
this
consultation
accessible.
G
Has
it
caused
you
to
to
ask
any
questions
about
the
the
methodology,
because
70
is
a
very
small
number?
If
I'm
reading
the
report
correctly,.
H
I
think
council
agreement
is
probably
testament
to
the
the
topic
and
the
technical
nature
of
it.
To
be
honest,
a
lot
of
this
is
also
already
guidance
on
the
council's
website,
and
this
document
really
consolidates
that
that
guidance
together.
So
I
think
when
people
were
reading
it
through
felt
that
actually
what's
new
about
this,
what
do
I
need
to
comment
on?
We
did
get
comments
from
residents.
H
We've
had
resident
group
comments,
it
went
out
to
all
resident
groups
and
we've
had
some
engagement
from
residents,
but
it
as
I
say,
it's
mainly
a
technical
document
for
developers
to
use.
So
I
would
expect
the
engagement
on
these
issues
to
be
a
lot
greater
when
we
look
at
local
plan
update
policies
on
place
making
and
any
any
any
policies
that
we've
got
on
transportation
within
that
plan,.
G
Yeah
I
mean
I
agree,
it's
a
technical
document,
it's
a
technical
document
for
us,
never
mind
for
people
who
perhaps
haven't
been
on
a
plans
panel
or
whatever,
and
so
I
I
wonder
whether
there
couldn't
or
shouldn't
have
been
some
much
more
accessible
synopsis
or
awareness
raising
document.
That
just
brings
out
the
main
points,
because
it's
a
huge
pile
of
reading
for
anybody
to
do
voluntarily.
A
Yeah,
I
think
subsequent
consultations
have
had
a
lot
more
responses
and
been
a
lot
more,
which
you're
going
to
hear
from
for
me
in
in
in
the
carolina
section
in
the
fci
that
it's
been
much
more
more
modern
as
it
were.
I
think
right.
Jillian
has
captured
an
awful
lot
of
commentary.
I'm
not
going
to.
Actually
summarize
don't
worry
if
there
are
no
mother
cancer
anderson.
K
Residents
have
been
raising
concerns
and
nothing
ever
happens
with
those
concerns
that
we
still
get
the
developments
without
the
improvements
with
promises
or
down
the
line
we'll
get
it
done
down
the
line
we'll
get
it
done.
I
give
you
two
examples,
one.
If
a
new
school
was
to
be
built
in
one
site
in
my
ward,
we're
going
to
have
to
go
back
to
the
new
residents
that
have
moved
in
and
so
said.
Oh
by
the
way,
you're
going
to
now
have
a
two-form
enter
school
next
year.
K
Instead
of
getting
done
and
also
the
potential
new
train
station
down
at
horseforth
that
might
be
affected
by
the
airport,
there
was
a
development
there.
I
asked
for
something
to
be
done
at
that
same
time
and
highway
said
well
we'll
get
round
to
eventually
well,
the
residents
aren't
happy
they've
lost
confidence
in
the
system
because
they
raise
things
and
there
is
nothing
to
force
the
developers
or
that
matter,
council
officers
to
actually
do
something
about
problems
that
are
in
existence.
K
I
had
some
people
contact
me
one
day
about.
Why
should
I
pay
a
thousand
pounds
for
a
decent
e-bike
if
there's
not
any
place
to
store
it
nearby?
K
I
now
have
contacted
officers
and
they've
confirmed
where,
within
the
city
centre,
you
could
park
that
quality,
but
it's
not
near
where
a
lot
of
people
work.
So
it's
you
know.
Yes,
it's
secure.
Yes,
it's
there,
but
if
you're
trying
to
get
to
work
by
cycling,
you've
then
got
to
go.
There
drop
your
bike
off
and
then
walk,
which
all
adds
to
the
time
that
it
takes
in
terms
of
journey
times.
So
it's
just.
K
We
need
to
give
the
confidence
need
to
give
the
public
confidence
that
we're
actually
listening
and
that
we're
actually
doing
something-
and
this
is
I'm-
going
to
be
making
a
similar
problem
in
a
minute.
That's
part
of
the
problem
we
consult
with
people,
but
how
many
times
do
we
actually
change
things
as
a
result
of
those
70
people
that
responded?
G
A
On
that
happy
note,
although
I
must
have,
I
feel
contractually
obliged
to
comment
that
perhaps
if
local
councils
were
involved
in
school
planning,
schools
might
appear
a
lot
more
quicker
than
the
current
geological
time
scale
approach
we
have
from
central
government,
but
that's
that's,
perhaps
a
different
issue
from
development
plan
panel
right
folks.
A
K
K
Council's
fault
the
school
isn't
arriving,
it
was
the
it
was
the
fault
of
planning,
insisting
that
the
land
be
allocated
for
a
school
in
the
first
place
and
then
subsequently
doesn't
matter
whether
it's
the
council
that
do
it
or
whether
it's
a
private
school,
all
of
a
sudden,
a
school's
going
to
arrive.
My
argument
is
the
school
should
have
been.
We
should
have
got
that
as
part
of
the
development
in
the
first
place,
not
subsequent.
That's
the
point
I'm
making,
I
don't
care
who
provides
it.
The
council.
A
You'll
be
in
trouble
why
councillor
conan
will
be
on
the
phone
to
you.
Why
showing
disloyalty
through
policy
about
academics.
I
wouldn't
like
to
be
in
your
shoes,
counselor
anderson.
I
am
slightly
teasing
you,
but
it
the
points
you
yeah
are
well
made
about
issues
that
occur,
but
sluggishness
in
the
education
planning
system
is
not
generally
the
thought
of
local
authorities
these
days.
I'm
afraid
right
on
that
note
we're
absolutely
totally
moving
to
the
statement
of
community
involvement,
which
is
in
a
caroline,
so
we're
in
your
hands.
I
Thanks
chair
and
thank
you
all
for
your
feedback
at
the
last
dpp
meeting
on
the
18th
of
january,
we're
now
presenting
the
draft
sti,
which
you
will
find
in
appendix
one
of
item
two
for
approvals.
I
Thank
you,
martin
yep.
We
are
now
presenting
the
draft
for
approval
prior
to
consultation,
which
we
hope
will
take
place
during
the
remainder
of
march
and
april.
We've
followed
good
practice
in
preparing
the
sci
with
soft
market
testing,
a
scoping
consultation
and
the
assistance
of
the
sci
engagement
group.
We
have
also
responded
positively
to
feedback
to
date
and
lessons
learnt
from
recent
consultations,
including
making
the
draft
jargon
free,
clear
and
locally
distinctive,
as
you'll
find.
I
I
Most
consultation
responses
will
be
gathered
via
smart
survey.
Although
we
will
be
providing
an
email
address,
a
telephone
number
and
postal
address
to
give
choice.
We
will
be
asking
for
feedback
on
the
clarity,
usefulness
and
the
length
of
the
document,
and
there
will
be
an
opportunity
to
comment
on
the
consultation
principles.
I
All
responses
to
the
consultation
will
be
carefully
considered
and
we
will
adapt
and
improve
the
document
based
on
these,
where
it
is
possible
to
do
so.
A
consultation
report
will
be
prepared
to
provide
feedback
on
these
comments
and
any
response
to
them.
We
anticipate
that
the
final
statement
of
community
involvement
should
be
ready
for
adoption
during
the
summer.
K
Come
from
because
our
friend
george
has
been
in
touch
with
me,
so
can
you
explain
why
you've
not
taken?
No?
No!
No!
Why
are
you
not
taking
a
cross-council
approach
to
it
as
per
the
recommendations
and
what
was
the
name
of
the
report,
the
university
of
reading
civic?
Why
did
you
not
choose
that
way?
What
was
the
logic
of
your
thought
process
behind
that?
Why
you
decided
to
not
take
on
their
suggestions?
H
I
mean
it
is
recommended
in
the
in
the
paper
tigers
report,
but
I
mean
we've
got
to
remember
that
the
sei
is
is
about
planning
applications,
it's
about
planning
policy
documents
and
it's
about
neighborhood
planning.
Primarily.
I
do
think
there
is
an
opportunity
to
explore
those
other
issues
in
the
consultation
and
perhaps
through
some
of
the
indicators.
H
But
but
you
know
there
is
no
other
local
planning
authority
in
the
country
that
has
a
across
council
sci.
I
think
I
think
the
approach
really
is
about
working
with
other
services
within
the
council
and
being
joined
up
and
complementary,
and
I
think
we
are
in
many
in
many
ways.
I
think
we
could
probably
look
at
some
of
the
wording
in
respect
of
that
being
joined
up
in
complementary
and
and
emphasizing
that
point,
because
we
actually
do
work
closely
with
with
colleagues
across
across
the
council
in
in
many
areas.
K
Well,
you've
already
heard
what
I've
said
about
highways:
they
don't
consult
and
when
they
do,
they
don't
actually
action
when
they
get
information
back
from
residents.
How
many
times
when
we've
been
looking
at
planning
applications,
we
bring
up
the
issue
about
provision
of
doctor,
surgeries
and
various
other
things,
and
we're
told
that's
not
part
of
the
planning
process.
K
A
we've
got
the
exec
member
is
pushing
forward
here
about
active,
leads
all
the
time
which
I
totally
agree
with,
but
that's
all
part
that
should
be
part
of
the
process.
So
why
we're
not
looking
at
that
and
why
we're
not
working
with
local
other
providers?
We
should
be
working
together
because
the
council
does
work
a
lot
in
silos
and
they
don't
always
talk
to
each
other.
You
produce.
You
know
you
have
listened.
You
have
come
up
with
a
document
that
can
be
read
I
made.
K
I
was
very
critical
of
the
best
council
plan
because
it
was
written
in
language
that
I
don't
think
a
lot
of
people.
So
you
you,
you
know,
you
have
you
know
so
correct.
You
know
applauds
where
necessary,
but
it's
how
you
get
the
rest
of
the
council
to
take
your
lead
and
actually
start
talking
to
local
residents
about
the
impact
of
planning.
I
accept
that
they're,
not
actually
planning
reasons,
but
they
are
things
are
going
to
impact
locally
as
a
result
of
it.
K
You
know
you've
heard
some
of
the
things
we've
talked
about
in
the
highways
terms.
You
know
if
we,
if
I
said
oh
well,
we
need
to
provide
e-bikes
on
a
development
they.
I
would
probably
get
the
answer.
Well,
yes,
council.
That's
a
good
idea,
but
we'll
that'll
be
agreed
further
down
the
line
and
nothing
will
be
written
down.
How
many
times
at
plans
panel
meetings.
Do
we
say?
K
A
And
do
you
want
to
come
back
on
that?
I
mean
just
to
send
that,
in
terms
of
talking
to
communities
about
planning,
I
can't
help
but
notice
council
anderson,
that
this
is
the
consultation
draft
which
will
involve
going
out
to
communities
to
talk
about
planning
and
the
local
planner
review
is
about
to
go
out
in
the
climate
emergency
led
local
planning.
We
will
be
going
out
in
the
late
spring
early
summer
for
consultation
with
policies
again
that
will
be
talking
to
communities
about
planning.
H
That
may
or
may
not
be
be
the
case,
but
I
think
probably
the
best
that
I
can
that
I
can
offer
at
this
particular
stage
is
that
during
march
and
april
I
will
be
speaking
to
a
lot
of
different
groups
across
the
city
and
no
doubt
that
issue
will
be
raised,
and
I
will
report
back
on
those
particular
issues.
And
let's
and
let's
allow
the
results
of
the
consultation
to
determine
the
changes
that
we
wish
to
make
to
the
document.
K
I've
gotten
that
is,
are
you
going
to
have
road
shows
throughout
the
city,
because
ever
since
I
got
on
council
there
is
a
reluctance
to
come
out
to
my
ward
by
any
council
department
to
do
consultation
when
the
sap
was
going
on
and
all
the
controversy
that
my
ward
had,
I
asked
planning
if
they
would
come
out,
they
said
no,
you
need
to
go
to
one
of
the
other
ones
nearby,
which
you
know
some
people
don't
want
to
go
three
or
four
miles
down
the
road
to
an
event.
K
That's
taking
place,
so
what
we're
going
to
do
to
engage
better
with
holding
actual
events
in
wards
to
engage
with
people.
Your
electronic
is
good,
no
problems
with
that
at
all,
but
it's
how
you
get
engaged
face
to
face
with
people.
So,
if
you're
outside
a
supermarket,
for
example,
you
can
engage
with
a
lot
of
people
as
they
come
along,
you
can
have
a
you
can
get.
K
H
Yeah
I
mean
we
will
respond
positively
to
any
requests
that
come
in
to
speak
to
communities
across
the
city,
but
but
I
I
know
at
least
one
of
the
things
that
I'll
be
doing
is
that
I
have
a
meeting
with
the
adult
neighborhood
forum
during
the
consultation
period
and
I'll
be
using
that
to
speak
to
them
properly
about
the
consultation,
probably
pool
parish
council
as
well
in
terms
of
their
neighborhood
planning
work.
H
D
Thanks
chair,
I
can
see
that
there's
online
surveys,
but
I
was
just
wondering
if
there's
any
plans
to
do
like
a
social
media
push
because,
although
obviously
face-to-face
is
important,
quite
a
lot
of
people
can't
be
bothered,
but
they
might
want
to
click
on
something.
Have
a
quick
look
at
it
and
give
the
views
that
way
and
also
schools
and
engagement
with
young
people.
D
Yeah
is
there
any
plans
on
doing
anything
with
schools,
because
I
know
I
know
the
I
know
the
children
at
the
two
primary
schools-
I'm
a
governor
for
are
very,
very
much
interested
in
their
environment,
and
I
think
it's
a
really
good
thing
to
encourage
participation
in
in
this.
This
level
of,
I
guess,
planning,
like
speaking
as
I
am
someone
who
came
to
planning
a
bit
later
in
life.
I'd
love
to
see
some
kids
get
excited
about
about
that.
You
know.
H
Yeah,
absolutely,
I
couldn't
agree
more
in
that
on
that
last
point
and
and
school
kids
are
very
much
interested
in
planning,
but
they
might
call
it
something
different,
but
they're,
very
much
interested
in
in
the
issues.
There's
nothing
specific
in
the
diary
at
the
moment
to
speak
to
schools,
but
we
are
speaking
to
a
number
of
representative
groups
across
the
city,
but
we
will
be
doing.
We
will
be
doing
something.
I
just
don't
know
exactly
what
at
the
moment-
and
I
guess
related
to
that
is
social
media
as
well.
H
I
think
social,
the
social
media
aspect
was
quite
successful
in
the
local
plan
update
last
year
and
I
think
we
want
to
build
on
that
and
it
was
particularly
useful
for
for
young
people.
So
there's
lots
of
good
lessons
to
be
learned
from
that
period
last
year,
so
there
will
be
a
social
media
strategy.
But
again
we
just
haven't
finalized
the
details.
C
I
I
suppose
the
question
might
be
whether
young
people
how
they
can
engage
with
the
sci
itself
as
a
document,
might
be
a
little
bit
more
challenging
because
it
doesn't,
like
you
say,
there's
really
exciting
things
about
planning
that
people
really
want
to
get
their
teeth
into
about
the
climate,
emergency
green
space,
and
things
like
that
aren't
in
the
sei
itself,
because
the
seo
is
obviously
the
mechanism
by
which
we
consult.
So
it
might
be
a
I'm
not
trying
to
dismiss
their
involvement
in
it.
C
But
it
may
be
a
little
bit
more
more
technical
than
they
than
the
topics
that
they'd
really
like
to
get
their
teeth
into.
So
I
think
it's
more
about
making
sure
that
we
we're
really
committed
to
making
sure
they're
engaged
in
in
the
the
local
plan
making
elements
of
it.
It
would
be
my
my
view
on
that.
A
Yeah
thanks
good
point
yeah
and
then
it's
councillor,
taylor.
E
Quickly
on
that
specific
point,
I
think
what
has
been
raised
here,
because
this
is
a
technical
about
planning
consultation
on
planning
in
the
future.
So
this
might
be
an
opportunity
to
speak
to
teachers
and
to
like
the
the
youth
council
and
representatives
groups
of
young
people
to
say
when
we're
consulting
in
the
future.
How
would
you
like
us
to
consult
with
you?
What
questions
would
you
like
to
see?
G
F
Chair
most
of
mine,
already
highlighted
from
counselor
and
listen.
Where
can
you
speak
to
the
community?
On
my
patch
you've
got
committee
committee.
We've
got
lots
of
third
sector
groups,
council
brooks
brings
in
schools.
We
work
very
closely
with
schools
with
young
people,
social
media
and
planning
most
times
it
goes
into
the
library
and
what
we
do
with
our
schools,
with
young
people
to
try
and
get
them
involved.
F
When
balls
planting
these
young
people
come
out
and
plant
the
bulbs
with
us,
and
they
really
loves
it.
So
if
the
planning
is
in
the
library,
the
school
teachers
can
take
the
young
people
to
the
library
and
there's
many
ways,
but
I
think
you
should
utilize
third
sectors,
because
third
sectors
is
the
one
embedded
in
the
community
and
they
know
their
community
and
could
bring
the
out
and
we
are
still
slightly
in
a
pandemic,
not
because
we're
not
wearing
face
mask
and
whatever
it's
not.
Everyone
feel
comfortable
coming
out
at
this
moment
in
time.
F
So
we
have
to
tread
easily
to
get
out
face
to
face.
Counselor
anderson
is
brave
enough
and
myself,
but
there's
still
some
tiny
people
there.
So
I
think
at
this
moment
in
time
we
utilize
community
committee
trying
with
young
people
because
they
have
been
isolated
a
long
time
so
anything
to
get
them
out
into
the
environment.
Get
them
involved,
use
the
library
do
whatever,
but
there's
so
much
third
sectors,
don't
leave
third
sectors
behind
because
they
are
the
community
rules.
H
I
mean,
if
I
can
just
make
one
very
simple
point
is:
is
a
lot
of
the
work
that
that
we
do
is
actually
not
recognized
and
I'll
give
you
one
really
good
example
of
that
about
four
weeks
ago
I
went
to
the
hyde
park
neighborhood
forum
meeting
and
as
much
as
I
hate
to
say
this.
I
was
about
25
years
older
than
anyone
else
in
that
room
and
there
were
about.
H
There
were
about
20
people
there,
and
it
was
a
really
energetic
and
counselor
walsh
or
you've
been
to
that
meeting
yourself
a
few
times,
but
it
was
you
know
and-
and
that
has
not
been
publicized
as
such.
That's
work
that's
going
on
behind
the
scenes,
but
it
was
a
real
pleasure
to
see
that
in
action
and
it
came
across
really
well
lots
of
that
type
of
work
is
actually
taking
place.
F
I
totally
agree
with
you
and
a
lot
of
work.
What
the
council
is
doing
is
when
I
was
a
lot
mad
and
go
out
there
speaking.
I
realized
that
we
are
not
selling
ourselves
you're
doing
the
work,
but
no
one's
seen
the
work
doing,
and
I
think
we
need
to
sell
ourselves
more.
This
others
say
no
you're,
not
doing
anything
until
you
said
well.
This
is
what
there
this
is,
what
they,
but
we
do
need
to
sell
ourselves.
A
Thanks
to
my
colleagues
I
mean
I
just
just
I
say
I
would
always
bring
the
drum
for
high
park
neighborhood
forum
and
our
fantastic
chair,
heston
from
all
hallows
church,
and
if
you
want
to
see
a
fantastic
community
institution,
get
along
to
all
hallows
and
see
rainbow
junction
there
and
the
amount,
the
work
that
we've
all
done
together
and
the
pandemic's
been
incredible.
So
just
always
willing
to
ban
that
bang,
the
drum
for
them
in
a
public
focus.
They're
all
awesome
people
right
councillor
hayden.
I
think
we
nearly
finished
for
the
day
just.
E
Can
I
just
like
kind
of
mention
ian,
because
it
was
said
that
don't
go
out
to
outer
areas.
I
think
ian's
been
to
every
village
in
the
outer
leads:
haven't
you
north
south
east
west,
to
doing
neighborhood
planning
and
and
on
different
forums
and
might
not
be
specifically
orwell
or
pool?
And
but
here
was
mentioned,
and
but
honestly
all
over.
Haven't
you
by
to
the
north,
south,
east
and
west,
and
fantastic
in
especially
with
the
neighborhood
planning
and
fantastic
engagement.
Just
wanted
to
mention
that.
A
H
A
Is
is
this
something
terrific
to
do
with
black
death
or
something
right
or
I
don't
know?
Okay,
let's
not,
let's
not
go
there
right.
Are
there
any
more
comments
for
officer
colleagues
from
members
not
seeing
any
okay
good
in
that
case
close
the
item
off
yep,
in
that
case
we're
more
or
less
done
unless
anyone's
got
any
other
business
just
to
inform
you
that
our
date
and
time
of
our
next
meeting
is
tuesday,
the
10th
of
may
at
1
30.
A
Colleagues,
carly's
colleagues,
just
just
are
we
happy
because
the
the
sti
is
going
for
consultation?
Mr
elliott's
quite
rightly
pointed
out.
We
do
have
to
sort
of
move
the
recommendations
to
send
it
out
for
consultation.
Are
we
all
happy
with
that
show
of
hands
move
yeah
there
you
go
democracy
satisfied.
Everyone
can
now
actually
really
go
home
thanks
very
much.