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Q
Thanks
chair
under
agenda
item
one,
there
were
no
appeals
against
the
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents
under
a
gender
item
too.
There
are
no
items
which
require
the
exclusion
of
the
president.
Public
agenda.
Item.
Number
three
will
lay
items.
I
am
unaware
of
any
late
items
of
business
agenda.
Item
number
four:
could
I
ask
members
to
declare
any
interest
they
may
have?
Q
I
see
none.
So,
let's
I'll
assume,
that's
none
apologist
for
absent.
Yes,
two
chair
we've
got
councillor
campbell
and
councillor
finnegan,
sending
new
apologies.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
john.
Before
we
go
on
to
item
six,
can
I
ask
the
forgiveness
of
the
people
at
the
back
waiting
to
present
this?
It's
a
rather
special
momentum,
momentous
day
for
us,
as
some
of
you
will
know,
council
wall
shaw
is
he's
having
a
birthday,
I'm
not
sure
what
age
he
is,
but
I
think
he's
over
16.
A
Dear,
oh,
well,
you're
still
you
don't
worry.
You've
got
a
career
in
this
place.
Yet
moving
on
to
the
main
issue
for
our
pause,
oh
can
I
ask
people
to
sign
this
card
as
it
goes
around
the
weapon.
Many
of
you
won't
know
it,
but
our
committee
clerk,
john
grieve,
is
retiring
soon.
A
I
don't
quite
know
when
john,
but
this
will
be
the
last
meeting
that
he
will
be
clerking
john
and
I
go
back
an
awful
long
time
when
I
first
come
on
planning
as
a
backbencher
in
88
john
was
involved
with
planning
then,
and
when
I
became
chair
of
planning
in
early
to
mid
90s
john
was
my
committee
clerk
and
we've
had
an
association
around
panic
for
all
those
years.
A
A
Some
of
you
who
are
elvis
presley's
fans
might
remember.
That's
today
he
died
today.
The
music
died
and
john,
I
understand,
is
still
a
great
fan.
I
remember
john
so
well
really
if
we
used
to
be
in
the
marion
house
a
lot
and
I
had
an
office
over
there
in
those
days
and
john
as
committee
clark
used
to
come
in
and
sit
on,
chairs
brief
and
help
us
organize,
as
john
reminded
me,
that
chess
briefing
those
days
used
to
go
on
about
three
or
four
years
at
three
or
four
hours
hours
hours.
A
I
meant
it
and
they'll
like
it,
but
nowadays
it's
probably
an
hour
and
a
half
to
two
hours.
So
I
don't
know
if
john
slowed
us
down
in
those
days
and
we're
working
quicker
now
that
you
don't
participate,
but
we
leave
that
one
hanging
john.
I
think.
A
I
particularly
remember
john,
during
our
lockdown,
when
we
had
to
go
virtual
and
I
have
to
tell
you
I'd
never
do
done
zoom
in
my
life.
I
could
just
about
manage
facetime
on
on
the
iphone
after
my
seven-year-old.
Well,
he
was
six
years
old
then
showed
me
how
to
do
it,
but
john
got
me
set
up
and
got
me
the
right
equipment
and
I
think
we
all
learned
pretty
rapidly
in
those
days.
It
was
a
difficult
time
for
us.
A
So
I'm
happy
to
pay
tribute
to
you
and
recognize
that
you
were
you're
a
great
servant
of
this
council.
I'm
sure
that
you
have
too
much
energy
to
just
just
disappear
into
the
ether.
I'm
sure
you'll
find
something
to
do
within
the
community.
At
the
time.
I
remember
you,
you
did
play
football
for
a
army
old
boys,
which
is
my
award
army,
maybe
walking
football.
You
could
take
up
john,
who
knows.
A
Living
football
so
I'll
leave
it
there,
because
I
know
there's
a
few
members
around
the
table
who
want
to
say
something.
So
can
I
start
with
council
lottie,
please
bring
you
ask
me.
P
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Well,
I
think
you've
you've
done
a
pretty
good
crazy
of
talking
about
john,
but
I
know
that
I
thought
I'd.
I
thought
I'd
been
on
a
while,
but
when
somebody's
been
45
years
working
for
the
council
or
related
to
the
council,
I
think
it
shows
great
fortitude
and
I
think
that
it
he
must
have
seen
an
awful
lot
of
change
over
those
45
years.
P
You
always
always
come
across
him
somewhere,
usually
in
the
ante
chamber,
and
he
always
looks
serious,
and
so
I
thought
this
must
be
an
important
chap,
better
treat
him
with
with
care,
and
it
was
quite
a
while
before
I
was
on
any
any
committee
that
he
was
he
was
clarking,
but
I
must
say
that
certainly
the
committees
that
he's
clarked
tend
to
run
like
clockwork.
I
don't
know
whether
that's
because
he
has
this
sort
of
aura
of
of
control
that
that
helps.
P
But
I
I
I
really
do
think
he's
one
of
these
chaps
who
doesn't
look
old
enough
to
have
been
here
45
years.
Quite
honestly,
so
he
must
have
been
a
child
starter,
probably
an
apprentice,
but
I
I
I
do.
I
do
want
to
sort
of
underline
what
the
chairman
said
that
about
the
quality
of
your
work
in
sharing
and
looking
after
committees.
P
I
think
it's
been
outstanding
from
the
point
of
view
that
I've
I've
come
across
and
certainly
you
will
be
missed
and
city
plans
certainly
won't
be
quite
the
same
without
you.
So
in
in
lots
of
ways,
I'm
glad
that
I've
only
got
two
more.
No,
I'm
not
glad.
P
I've
only
got
two
more,
but
I'm
glad
I
won't
have
to
get
used
to
another
gentleman
or
lady
clark
in
the
the
committee-
and
I
do
certainly
on
behalf
of
the
conservative
group,
wish
you
all
the
very
very
best
in
retirement
and
hope
that
you
you
do
find
something
to
do
because
I
say
you're
far
too
young
to
be
going
out
to
graz
so
enjoy
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you
graeme
for
those
kind
words
and
I
think
it'll
be
a
time
to
mark
your
enormous
contributions
planning.
I
certainly
shall
miss
you,
you're
very
active
member,
and
you
partake
very
well
and
bring
some
very
sensible
suggestions
to
the
table
which
you
shall
be
missed.
Moving
on
then
david,
the
the
leader
of
the
green
group,
to
give.
O
You,
your
full
title,
just
give
me
a
little
title
when
we
got
back
from
site
visits
this
morning
I
was
in
google
service
and
he
was
running
like
round
like
like
nobody's
business.
I
don't
know
whether
it
would
because
it
was
the
last
planning
meeting
or
if
we
were
trying
to
get
scrutiny
board
out
of
there
so
in
time.
So
we
could
start,
but
it
seems
to
seem
to
be
doing
a
lot
of
running
about
anyway.
He
got
that
organized,
didn't
you
so
so
we
got
we
could
get
in
all
the
time.
O
I've
got
to
say
I'm
on
20
odd
years,
I've
been
on
a
planning
committee.
I've
always
found
john,
very
efficient,
very
good,
I'm
very
friendly
and
very
helpful
to
members.
If
all
officers
were
as
good
as
john
that
would
it
would
be
a
lot
better
place.
I
hope
you
have
a
good
retirement
as
as,
as
as
being
said
previously,
you
don't
look
cold
enough
to
retire.
A
Thank
you
david.
I
wouldn't
want
to
exclude
any
other
members.
If
anybody
wants
to
say
something
I
will
do.
Can
I
start
with
the
birthday
boy
please
and
then
we'll
got
you
done.
Neil.
F
Oh
a
lot-
one
word
has
already
been
said
beyond
just
want
to
thank
you
for
all
your
help
over
the
last
11
or
something
years
of
being
a
councillor
on
plans,
and
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
when
we
went
to
zoo,
I
did
clock
the
fact
that
john
has
an
extremely
stylish
extension
on
his
home
and
so
like
10
out
of
10
for
the
design.
There.
M
I
heard
this
impending
retirement
and
this
great
loss
to
our
council
just
the
other
day
and
actually
got
me
thinking
that
the
very
first
time
I
actually
met
you
was
before
I
was
a
counselor.
In
fact,
many
many
years
before
I
was
a
counselor.
M
I
was
roped
into
sitting
on
school
admissions
appeal
panels
and
the
training
for
said
panel
was
done
by
mr
john
grieve
and
I
remember
sitting.
Of
course
they
were
being
to
talk
through
the
legislation
for
school
appeals
panels
and
at
the
time
I
was
a
practicing
solicitor
doing
school
admission,
exclusion,
appeal
panels
and
thinking
I
didn't
know.
Half
of
this,
which
was
slightly
worrying.
M
But
you've
always
had
the
most
tremendous
grasp
of
the
the
policies
and
the
procedures
and-
and
it's
that
calmness,
that
you've
brought
to
even
the
most
flustered
meeting,
and
we
will
certainly
miss
your
your
calm
and
level
head
and
thank
you.
I
didn't
know,
though
I
have
to
confess
that
the
council
ever
employed
people
at
10
years
old,
which,
which
is
certainly
a
policy
we'll
have
to
look
at.
M
I
wish
you
every
all
the
best
for
a
long,
long
and
healthy
retirement.
E
You
have
to
live
up
to
everyone
else
and
you
don't
want
to
put
a
foot
wrong
and
look
stupid
and
you
never
ever
give
that
sort
of
impression
and
the
calm
and
reassuring
nature
of
your
presence
makes
everyone
who's
new,
just
feel
really
at
home
straight
away.
And
I
really
appreciate
that.
So.
Thank
you.
C
John,
I
don't
go
quite
as
far
back
as
some
of
my
colleagues
who
can
remember
the
old
days
here,
but
but
my
husband
ex-councillor
peter
gruen,
does.
I
know
you
exchanged
some
words
earlier
this
morning,
but
I
know
he
would
want
to
be
remembered
to
you
and
he
wishes
you
the
very,
very
best
for
your
retirement.
C
C
We
wouldn't
have
been
the
first
panel
up
and
running
virtually
you
sorted
it
out,
technologically,
as
well
as
psychologically
and
geared
us
up
for
that
very
difficult
period
that
we've
had
totally
reliant
on
you,
and
I
know
that
you
will
be
hugely
missed
when
you
go
and
like
others
it'll,
take
some
adjustment
to
to
feel
that
I
can
rely
on
somebody
else
as
much
as
I
feel
I've
been
able
to
rely
on
you
thanks
john.
R
Yes,
thanks
jay,
I
mean,
as
officers,
would
certainly
echo
many
of
the
sentiments
that
have
been
expressed
already
today,
I
mean
john's,
been
as
chair,
said,
part
of
the
planning
process
from
my
perspective
for
many
many
years,
and
probably
out
seen
many
many
chief
planners
heads
of
service
and
most
of
the
staff
within
the
service
as
well,
so
he's
sort
of
a
constant
theme,
keeping
us
on
the
straight
and
narrow
guiding
us
through
those
processes
that
we
needed
to
to
change
most
recently,
as
you're
aware
he's
helped
to
set
up
the
remote
panels,
I
think
we're
one
of
the
first
authorities
in
the
country
actually
to
get
back
on
our
feet
after
the
initial
lockdown
and
start
having
panels
again
our
committees,
as
referred
to
in
other
authorities,
and
that
was
largely
down
to
john's
assistance
with
that
process
and
his
practical
guidance
help
and
thoughts
on
how
we
should
go
about
doing
that.
R
So
that
was
very
instrumental
in
terms
of
getting
us
back
on
track.
I've
got
a
few
highlights.
I
think
chairs
already
mentioned
the
the
starting
date,
but
there
are
one
or
two
other
sort
of
highlights
along
the
way
that
probably
worth
a
mention
john
did
get
his
photograph
taken
with
nelson
mandela
in
2001.
R
Apparently
when
he
was
supporting
full
council,
when
nelson
mandela
was
made
an
honorary
freeman
of
the
city,
I'm
sure
that
photograph
is
very
highly
cherished
john
won
a
golden
owl
award
in
2015
a
lifetime
achievement
award.
I
think
the
intention
was
to
ensure
that
he
received
that
before
he
disappeared,
probably
wasn't
known
at
that
time.
He'd
carry
on
for
another
seven
years,
but
we're
all
the
better
for
that.
Obviously,
as
I
say,
tremendous
support
in
terms
of
setting
up
the
remote
panels
and
beyond
that
clarking.
I
R
Eight
and
a
half
hours
it
felt,
like
you
know,
half
years
at
the
time
and
obviously
the
clerk
has
got
to
concentrate
for
every
moment
of
that
meeting.
So
it
does
take
a
real
effort
and
we
do
need
to
sort
of
appreciate
that
fact.
So
again,
thanks
very
much
john
for
everything
you've
done
for
planning,
you
will
be
remembered,
I'm
sure,
and
all
the
best
for
the
future.
A
Q
Thank
you
chair,
thank
you,
members
and
thank
you
officers
that
were
completely
unexpected.
I
certainly
weren't
expecting
that.
I
was
expecting
possibly
end
up
meeting
john's
retiring.
We
wish
him
well,
but
I
didn't
expect
those
individual
contributions.
So
I'd
just
like
to
say
thank
you
very
much.
I've
been
here
45
years,
but,
to
be
honest,
I've
really
enjoyed
my
time
here.
I've
met
some
lovely
people,
some
some
really
nice
members,
like
nice
officers
and
I'll,
be
sorry
to
to
to
miss
the
the
cutting
trust
of
committee
life.
It's
it's
been
really
good.
A
I'm
I'm
coming
to
the
buns.
I
am
coming
to
the
buns,
but
first
of
all,
john,
it's
all
on
youtube
now,
so
you
have
the
video
of
it.
I'm
not
sure
if
I'll
be
in
any
trouble
up
with
that,
because
I
have
taken
a
bit
of
liberty
to
doing
it.
This
way
around,
but
john's
service
is
unique
to
the
council.
In
my
experience-
and
I
know
all
you
lovely
people
will
back
me
up
and
say
it
was
the
right
thing
to
do
anyway.
A
Getting
to
the
bones
now.
My
wife
has
been
very
busy.
She
has
been
a
former
counselor,
as
you
know,
14
years
in
this
place,
and
she
remembers
john
with
great
kindness,
I
did
say
I
was
going
to
buy
a
few
cakes
and
mark
suspensions
to
market.
Occasionally
she
said
no,
no,
no,
no,
I'm
not
having
any
of
that
john
I'll
do
something
special.
I
will
bake
for
john,
so
they're
all
up
there.
Can
I
ask
you
to
help
yourself
at
the
moment.
John.
A
A
A
A
A
Don't
we
we
do
any
matters
arising?
A
B
Thank
you,
chair,
yeah,
just
a
few
brief
words,
because
obviously
it's
the
applicant's
presentation,
but
if
you
cast
your
mind
back
we're
just
talking
about
the
virtual
panels
back
in
january
2021,
some
of
you
will
remember
that
this
particular
site
was
the
focus
of
the
january
panel,
where
we
essentially
had
an
application
for
a
hybrid
development
which
was
demolition
of
the
existing
builders
on
site,
which
was
the
full
aspect
of
the
the
hybrid
and
the
outline
part
was
to
develop
the
site
into
a
mixture
of
residential
lead
development,
but
essentially
631
residential
units
with
some
commercial
ground
floor
space
that
ultimately
went
through
panel
approved,
and
we
after
dealing
with
the
section
106,
we
eventually
issued
a
decision
in
the
summer
of
last
year.
B
This
site
has
now
been
sold
and
is
now
with
glenbar
at
property.
We
have
been
working
with
glenn
brooke
for
the
last
few
months
on
this
latest
pre-application
inquiry,
which
is
a
very
similar
quantum
of
development.
This
is
a
pre-application
for
a
full
application,
though
this
time
the
outline
is
not
to
be
followed
through
and
essentially
it's
a
very
similar
scheme.
In
many
respects.
It's
618
units
of
residential
units
with
a
slightly
lesser
amount
of
commercial
ground
floor
space
as
well
I'll.
B
Let
the
applicants
develop
the
presentation
from
now
on
in,
but
essentially,
we've
got
three
key
questions
that
I
want
members
to
focus
on
today,
one
which
is
the
scale
and
the
mass
in
which
broadly
follows
similar
lines
to
some
of
the
illustrative
plans
that
we
saw
in
the
outline.
But
we
didn't
actually
approve
those
plans.
If
you
recall
we
had
those
shown
for,
as
I
say
for
illustration
purposes,
but
essentially
we
took
a
decision
not
to
approve
them
with
all
matters
reserved
apart
from
access.
B
So
I
want
to
focus
on
the
scale
of
the
massing
and
then
the
second.
He
wants
to
talk
about
the
materials
and
the
elevational
treatment.
We
are
encouraged
as
officers
of
what
we're
seeing,
but
we
want
to
just
get
your
own
comments
on
that
and
then.
Thirdly,
the
quantum
of
electric
vehicle
charging
points
which,
as
you
you
will
well
know,
our
policy
en8
refers
to
100
of
residential
spaces
to
be
electric
vehicle
charging
points.
B
B
Projects
as
the
scheme
develops,
but
essentially
I
think
we
would
like
your
comments
on
that
as
well.
Given,
obviously,
the
policy
does
require
100,
although
there
is
obviously
some
flexibility
around
the
delivery
of
that.
So
without
further
ado,
I'd
like
to
bring
the
outputs
in
and
let
them
present
the
scheme.
A
Thank
you
richard
that
we
shall
do
over
to
you.
Can
I
firstly
apologize
once
again
for
the
delay,
but
I'm
in
a
generous
move
today,
so
I
will
allow
you
a
little
bit
longer
if
you
need
it,
so
don't
really
have
the
rush
just
to
make
it
up
a
little
bit
to
you
so
now's
your
opportun
opportunity.
Please
present
this
to
us
and
we
will
then
ask
the
relevant
questions
and
make
the
relevant
comments
when
you're
ready.
I
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you
richard,
so
we're
here
today
to
present
the
scheme
on
behalf
of
glenbrook.
As
you're
aware,
the
site
sits
on
the
south
of
kirksville
road
and,
as
you
can
see,
on
the
screen
and
the
existing
site
is
just
over
two
hectares
and
which
you
can
see
on
the
next
slide.
I
So
that's
the
site
in
question
that
we're
here
to
talk
about
today
and,
as
richard
said,
glenn
book
have
just
recently
purchased
this
site
and
then
on
the
next
slide,
you'll
be
aware
that
the
outline
was
consented
in
june
2021
and
the
parameters
that
were
consented
are
shown
on
the
screen
there.
So
we
have
three
different
zones
of
varying
heights
and
massing
over
2
in.
J
Afternoon,
everyone
so
the
project
at
the
moment.
I'm
trying
to
read
that,
of
course,
so
it's
a
large
site
we've
been
here
before
the
airline
application
stages.
We've
discussed
and
I
think
the
key
drivers
are
access
to
nature.
It's
a
large
site.
We
need
to
provide
commensurate
outdoor
space
with
this
there's
a
large
central
space
that
forms
the
heart
of
dartmouth
effectively.
J
There
is
a
focus
on
wellness,
access
to
nature
and
actually
engaging
with
these
spaces
in
a
meaningful
way,
rather
than
just
being
landscape.
The
sake
of
landscape,
quantum
landscape
full
detail
way
in
a
second,
but
it's
about
residents
accessing
this
and
actually
using
it
for
useful
community-focused
purposes.
It's
a
fully
accessible
landscape.
It
takes
in
the
falls
two
wall
and
routes
over
the
first
two
wall
onto
the
river
walkway.
It's
been
consolidated
at
the
moment.
J
The
housing
mix
we've
increased
the
housing
mix
to
take
into
account
the
10
3
beds
discuss
the
last
panel,
so
it
now
works.
50
one
bed,
40
2
bed,
10
3
bed,
split,
we'll
come
on
to
a
minute
we're
targeting
the
new
partners,
which
comes
into
effect
in
june
effectively
with
a
transition
for
a
year
looking
at
centralized
plants.
How
we
make
this
more
efficient
sort
of
distribution
of
services
rather
putting
systems
into
each
building.
J
These
will
be
centrally
serviced
where
possible,
we're
looking
at
100
ev
ready,
as
discussed
previously
by
richard,
with
a
30
upfront,
delivery
of
that
renewables
and
an
electric
only
solution
which
ties
into
the
new
partner
effectively.
So
it's
quite
an
ambitious
package
of
development,
effectively
broadly
focused
on
through
access
to
nature
and
landscape
center.
In
the
scheme.
J
So
this
was
the
initial
diagram
that
we
talked
about
at
the
outline
stage.
Effectively
there
is
the
kirkstall
road
renaissance
area
planning
framework
is
in
effect
in
this
part
of
the
city,
so
this
brings
into
effect
this
central
route
through
the
site
east
to
west,
so
through
the
city
reach
developments
which
take
account
of
this
as
they're
coming
forward
through
the
nissan
garage
which
is
not
being
developed
at
this
point
in
time
through
to
washington
street
and
back
out
to
coaxtal
road.
There's
then
also
a
secondary
east
to
west
route
along
the
riverfront.
J
J
This
is
the
massive
president
as
it
exists
at
the
moment
within
our
proposal.
So
previously
the
consent
outline
stage
has
sort
of
16
story
elements
in
the
centre
of
the
site.
We've
taken
a
decision
to
bring
that
down
at
this
point
in
time,
and
also
there
were
six
blocks
in
that
outline
consent
we've
got
five
blocks
have
been
consolidated.
J
It's
part
of
this
consolidated
route
through
from
town
back
out
towards
towards
washington
street,
and
although
this
isn't
in
place
yet
through
nissan
dealership
in
the
center
of
that
image,
ultimately
we're
allowing
that
flexibility
of
this
to
happen
in
the
future.
Should
it
come
forward
as
part
of
that
site,
I
suppose
central
large
central,
green
space
on
our
side
and
left
of
the
screen
looking
out
into
the
river
addressing
the
sort
of
end
route
of
the
fast
two
walkway
and
then
buildings
that
address
the
face
of
that
river
side.
What
way
as
well.
J
And
that's
how
the
masquerade
looks
in
context,
so
the
image
to
the
right
of
that
sort
of
white
block
massing
is
the
city
reach
proposal,
that's
sort
of
steps
down
from
16
stories
down
to
sort
of
10
11
stories
we're
in
the
ground,
plus
12
story,
the
taller
end
down
to
ground
plus
a
to
the
lowest
end
of
this
on
our
site.
So
the
general
matching
profile
is
one
of
stepping
up
towards
the
city
across
these
sort
of
sites.
They
exist
at
the
moment.
J
And
that's
our
ground
floor
plan
effectively,
so
are
we're
in
a
flood
zone
here.
So
there's
been
a
lot
of
flood
modelling
on
this
site.
We've
got
no
residential
ground
floor.
We
can't
support
that,
given
the
flood,
the
sort
of
flooding
parameters
within
this
site,
what
we
are
trying
to
step
lightly
onto
the
ground
floor,
so
it's
about
putting
uses
down
there
that
can
be
supported.
It's
about
communal
spaces,
it's
about
a
commercial
unit
on
coastal
road
that
fronts
out
and
provides.
K
Thanks
just
going
to
run
through
the
emerging
landscape
proposals-
and
this
first
slide
just
to
really
capture
the
character
of
the
type
of
place
that
we
want
to
create,
and
it's
one
that's
influenced
by
the
character
of
the
river.
So
it's
outward
facing
it's
it's
bringing
in
that
that
quality
of
the
river's
edge
and
making
something
which
works
with
it
in
terms
of
biodiversity
and
but
also
with
the
strategic
route
which
runs
on
the
riverside,
but
primarily
want
to
create
a
place
which
is
going
to
help
foster
a
community.
K
We've
got
a
lot
of
new
people
going
to
come
and
live
in
this
part
of
the
city,
and
we
want
to
create
spaces
which
allow
them
to
feel
comfortable
to
spend
time
outside
with
each
other
and
at
the
same
time,
offering
a
very
generous
public
space
which
is
accessible
to
the
public,
and
then
we
also
want
to
create
a
place
for
children.
You
know
a
place
where
children
can
explore
can
play
can
feel
comfortable
and
safe.
K
So
these
are
all
general
themes
which
are
running
through
the
emerging
proposals
and
it's
gonna
be
a
highly
sustainable
place.
So
we're
obviously
creating
a
setting
for
new
residential
development,
which
is
based
around
a
large
central
park
which
occupies
about
three
and
a
half
thousand
meters
squared
of
the
site,
which
is
about
20
of
the
overall
site
area.
K
Just
in
that
one
space,
we're
planting
over
100
trees,
some
of
real
size
within
the
central
space,
and
then
we've
got
large
areas
of
lower
level
planting
as
well,
which
will
add
a
huge
amount
in
terms
of
biodiversity
and
allows
nature
to
touch
every
part
of
the
site
and
we're
going
to
make
that
work
with
the
with
the
drainage
system
as
well.
So
we
have
a
site-wide
sustainable
drainage
system.
So
it's
a
it's
a
hard-working
site
which
is
using
nature
to
ensure
it's
a
long-lasting
and
resilient
place.
K
K
We've
pulled
the
buildings
right
back
from
the
edge
of
the
road
to
allow
space
for
future
delivery
of
a
cycle
route
along
kirksville
road-
and
this
is
a
in
the
interim-
be
a
four
meter
footpath,
which
will
run
alongside
the
carriageway
and
then
a
really
generous,
slow
level
planting
zone
which
will
have
large
street
trees
which
have
a
real
presence
on
kirkstall
road.
And
then
that
will
culminate
in
the
top
of
that
plan.
Image
in
the
main
pressure
and
entrance
along
the
the
central
streets
into
the
development.
K
And
this
image
of
the
of
the
riverside
parks
lake
to
appreciate
the
scale
of
the
space
that
term
that
we're
proposing
it'll
be
a
public
space
with
a
huge
amount
of
flexibility,
but
also
sort
of
rich
layering
of
planting.
So
we've
got
lower
level
planting
around
the
edges.
Some
larger
tree
specimens
in
the
center
and
we're
weaving
in
these
different
play
opportunities
throughout
the
space.
K
And
then
either
side
of
this
public
space,
we've
got
what
we've
called
the
community
courtyards,
so
they're
fully
accessible,
but
we're
using
the
planting
strategy
as
a
means
to
create
a
subtle
edge
between
the
main
central
space
and
the
space
immediately
adjacent
to
the
buildings.
Because
we
want
activities
to
happen
in
those
community
courtyards
which
are
for
the
community
and
run
by
the
community.
So
things
like
growing
food.
K
And
then
we've
also
got
a
parking
courtyards,
two
main
parking
courtyards,
which
we
want
to
have
a
positive
role
in
the
overall
appearance
of
the
of
the
development.
So
we're
using
different
types
of
materials
across
across
the
parking
areas
to
break
that
up,
but
also
to
allow
it
to
function
properly
as
part
of
the
sustainable
drainage
network.
K
There's
plenty
of
space
in
between
parking
bays
for
tree
planting
and
we're
looking
at
different
ways
of
defining
the
edge
of
these
parking
areas,
so
that,
when
you're
in
the
central
street,
for
instance,
that
the
parking
area
off
to
the
right
is
well
screened
through
a
layered
approach
to
plantings,
there's
lower
level
planting
in
the
foreground
with
street
trees
and
then
we're
looking
at
these
screens,
which
will
run
alongside
the
parking
areas
so
whatever
time
of
year.
It
is.
This
will
feel
like
a
really
green
and
lush
environment
and
then
equally
from
the
riverside.
K
The
fast
two
wall
in
the
foreground-
and
this
is
over
towards
building
d
in
the
parking
area
in
behind
we've,
got
green
screens,
which
will
run
across
there
a
more
open
piece
of
landscape
in
the
foreground.
J
Okay,
architectural
treatment,
so
we've
got
five
buildings
once
feel
that
a
part
of
one
family
here
effectively.
So
what
we've
looked
at
doing
is:
building
hierarchy
of
sort
of
base
middle
and
top
a
sort
of
robust
planning
grid
on
that
which
allows
sensible
proportion,
windows,
bedrooms,
living
rooms
that
are
legible
across
the
site
and
gives
it
underlying
degree
of
organization
effectively.
J
We've
then
looked
at
how
you
address
the
horizontality
of
buildings
and
how
you
detail
that
with
sort
of
subtle
ground
floor
detailing,
which
makes
it
tactile,
which
is
about
pedestrians,
interacting
with
these
buildings
directly
and
how
you
define
entrance
points
to
buildings
versus
primary
routes
and
secondary
routes
and
then
on
the
sort
of
upper
level
of
these
buildings.
We've
got
two
sort
of
typologies
that
play
out
against
a
common
base.
So
you
know
the
way
they
split
across
the
buildings.
J
You
know
you
look
at
mixing
these
things
up,
so
you
you're,
providing
clear
orientation
around
the
site
effectively
we'll
come
to
in
a
second
with
the
visuals.
So
one
of
these
topologies
about
verticality-
and
it's
about
this
more
historic
references
about
warehouses,
about
rhythm
and
it's
about
seeing
things
in
the
oblique.
So
you
see
a
verticality
that
expresses
itself
along
these
key
street
views.
J
You
know-
and
this
may
this
is
about
projecting
peers
and
it's
about
windows
setbacks.
You
do
have
an
overall
rhythm
of
things
that
happens
in
elevation,
which
might
look
a
bit
like
that.
So
then
a
secondary
sort
of
a
second
order
of
things
which
is
more
about
modern
interpretation
about
which
about
post
and
linfield
effectively
it's
about
expensive
flat,
brick
work
with
deeper
reveals,
which
for
similar
proportions,
there's
a
commonality
between
both
typologies
that
work
together.
J
And
then
the
key
points
at
which
you
address
and
see
this
is
the
sort
of
mixture
of
topologies
and
the
way
this
site
unfolds,
there's
clearly
a
primary
route
in
from
kirksville
road
into
the
center
of
the
site,
which
brings
you
through
past
buildings,
a
and
b
into
the
central
space.
Where
you
can
look
at
the
river,
you
can
landscape
space.
You
have
a
view
of
everything
going
around
you,
so
we've
tried
to
look
at
key
points
on
this
view
effectively.
So
this
is
on
kirkster
road.
J
You
see
the
left-hand
side,
stepping
down
second
half
of
building
a
down
to
tannery,
there's
a
sort
of
clear
hierarchy
of
stepping
there
back
down
to
the
tannery
building,
which
is
important
in
the
context
and
then
the
primary
route
through
into
the
center
of
the
site,
which
addresses
the
sort
of
riverfront
in
the
parkway,
as
you
step
close
to
that
there's
a
commercial
unit
on
the
bottom
left
of
that
building
on
the
left
hand,
side
and
then
a
clear
route
through
the
center
of
the
site
to
the
landscape
space.
J
At
the
end
of
this,
which
is
defined
by
sort
of
arched
openings
through
colonnades,
down
that
space
sort
of
very
clear
street
scene,
effectively
defined
by
trees,
landscape
and
parking
across
there,
and
then
you
hit
the
center
of
the
site
where
you've
got.
You
know
a
clear
route
into
this
large
landscape,
open
space,
the
river
beyond
sort
of
three
buildings
that
border
that
you
know
enclose
it,
provide
different
uses
to
open
out
onto
that
space
and
define
these
community
gardens.
J
Andrews
talked
about
previously
and
then
looking
back
at
the
scheme
across
the
sort
of
width
and
depth
of
this
landscape
space.
You
can
see
it's
it's
broad,
it's
generous
about
70
meters
at
its
widest
point,
so
it's
a
significant
area
which
is
comparable
to
millennium
square
and
it's
sort
of
overall
size.
A
G
Thanks
chair
first,
it's
around
some
of
the
messing
really
on
this.
G
I
used
to
live
just
the
other
side
of
kirksville
road,
and
one
of
the
big
issues
on
kirksville
road
is
that
if
you're
on
it,
you
feel
that
you
are
enclosed
in
what
used
to
be
obviously
a
very
industrial
area
with
no
idea
and
no
real
connection
to
the
nature
that
you've
got
just
on
the
other
side
of
the
buildings
near
the
river
and
most
of
those
you
can't
get
through,
and
you
can't
see
through
in
any
way-
and
I
think
I'm
a
bit
concerned
with
this
plan
as
you've
got
it,
that
the
massing
and
orientation
of
that
first
building
is
perpetuating
that
a
bit
so
that,
if
you're
on
kirksville
road,
what
you
don't
see
is
this
opened
up
area
of
of
the
water
space
and
the
natural
environment
around
as
soon
as
you're.
G
Beyond
that,
first
building
and-
and
I
get
the
point
that
you're
trying
to
protect
that
for
some
of
the
residents
to
have
a
quieter
space
inside,
but
you
can
then
see
through
and
see
these
views.
I
just
wondered
whether
you'd
considered
splitting
that
building
in
half
providing
more
of
a
view
through,
so
that
you're
trying
to
create
that
environment
that
that
the
residents
that
are
there
in
the
community
already
can
then
be
able
to
see
through
see
the
river
that
they've
got
there,
that
for
many
years,
they've
been
blocked
off
access
to.
J
I
think
it's
something
we've
looked
at
quite
early
on
in
the
process.
I
think
the
problem
with
it
is:
it's
still
160
meters
away
from
the
face
of
that
building
through,
and
you
sort
of
there's
a
layered
approach
of
things
happening
beyond
that,
and
it
makes
it
difficult
to
see
how
that's
a
viable
view
through.
If
you
know
what
I
mean,
I'm
almost,
I
think
what
we've
got
to
is
the
idea
that
this
riverside
walkway
will
become
consolidated.
J
You
know
the
first
two
works
are
going
to
make
this
riverside.
What
way
I
think,
and
then
once
that
becomes
something
you've
got
spaces
off,
that
that
are
probably
accessible.
Eventually
people,
you
know
it
becomes
a
known.
Doesn't
it
rather
than
an
unknown
and
the
site
is
permeable
by
its
nature,
you
live
in
the
area.
You
know
it's
permeable
and
you
start
to
use
this
thing
as
part
of
a
proper
piece
of
city
rather
than
as
a
development
garden
effectively.
I
think
we
see
it
as
a
public
space.
J
We
don't
want
it
to
be
a
cordoned
off
thing
on
our
site.
It's
part
of
the
public
realm
and
these
buildings
acting
as
individual
buildings
within
a
landscape
rather
than
as
one
development
with
gates
at
the
front
of
it.
So
we
have
explored
it.
I
just
think
the
way
it
works
with
the
sort
of
site
and
this
quantum
car
parking.
J
We
need
to
get
into
this
site
to
make
it
viable
get
people
living
there,
because,
ultimately,
it
needs
to
be
well
occupied
to
make
it
a
viable
piece
of
city
that
doesn't
really
lend
itself
to
that
route
through
the
center
for
building
a.
I
think
we
were
better
consolidating
it
down
to
that
sort
of
street
way
through
effectively
and
always
creating
a
road
through
to
a
space.
J
K
Yeah,
just
to
add
to
that,
I
think
the
way
we
the
approach
to
tree
planting,
certainly
at
the
entrance
into
the
site,
as
you
look
along
kirkstall
road,
certainly
along
that
that
side
of
kirksville
road
there'll
be
a
notable
break
in
the
built
form
in
between
the
tannery
and
and
our
building
a
and
be
fairly
fairly
wide
and
generous.
And
you
know
big
trees
at
that
entrance
as
well,
just
quite
a
bit
of
space,
and
I
think
just
that
will
feel
like
an
invite.
K
I
think
in
terms
of
drawing
people
down
and
towards
the
river
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
insane
you.
I
don't
think
you
wouldn't
ever
you
wouldn't
see
the
river,
they
say.
There's
no
buildings
there
at
all
be
very
difficult
to
see
the
river
itself,
but
what
we
want
to
do
is
create
a
sequence
which
draws
people
through
the
site
and
then,
as
it
continues
on
to
the
park
and
then
to
the
riverside.
K
L
I
think
the
the
union
mix
we've
proposed
is
based
on
our
understanding
of
demand
and
need
in
the
area
in
terms
of
an
overall
unit
mix,
we've
taken
on
board
the
feedback
from
previous
panels
in
relation
to
the
enhanced
provision
of
three-bedroom
apartments.
So
we've
we've
reduced
the
overall
unit
numbers
which
has
had
the
impact
of
increasing
the
proportional
percentage
of
one
beds.
L
But
I
think
if
the
increase
in
in
three
bed
unit
numbers
to
the
10,
which
has
been
established
within
this
forum,
supports
that
family
element
within
a
city
centre,
environment
and
we're
looking
to
support
that
also
with
the
play
opportunities
of
a
landscape
and
the
the
general
community.
R
Yes,
I
think,
as
we've
discussed
at
the
previous
panel,
the
policy
is
flexible
in
terms
of
saying
it
depends
largely
where
the
area
is,
but
it
does
have
a
guide
of
a
minimum
20
for
three
bedrooms.
But
that's
that's
a
district
city-wide
policy
which
is.
R
R
But
it
was
just
the
number
of
three
bedroom
ones,
which
was
of
contention.
H
Not
really
chair,
because,
if
the
mini,
if
the
minimum
three
bed
is
supposed
to
be
20
and
like
this
is
a
pre-app,
so
you
know
we
we're
supposed
to
be
supposed
to
be
sort
of
raising
issues
like.
That
is
a
really
big
issue
to
me.
We
we
do
in
little,
london
and
woodhouse
ward,
have
a
shortage
of
housing.
L
I
think,
in
regards
of
the
application
itself,
we
will
be
submitting
a
housing
needs
assessment
in
support
of
the
application.
The
proportion
of
three
beds
in
this
application
actually
exceeds
that
which
was
included
within
the
original
outline
submission.
So
we
have
made
a
positive
step
in
the
direction
in
response
to
concerns
previously
raised
in
this
forum.
L
A
Thank
you.
I
I
think
your
comments
are
noted.
It's
quite
right
on
the
outline
that
that
was
the
case,
and
it's
only
very
recently
that
we've
achieved
10
percent,
so
we
are
moving
upwards.
I
mean
on
many
of
university
areas.
We've
only
achieved
seven
percent,
so
people
around
the
table
have
done
a
good
job,
but
it
is
a
district
wide.
If
you
look
at
the
other
areas,
they
tend
to
be
nearly
all
three
and
four
bedrooms
in
the
inner
areas.
A
A
Caroline!
Please.
C
Thank
you
chair.
My
first
question
was
going
to
be
the
one
councillor
brooks
has
just
asked,
because
on
the
cgi's
you're
definitely
depicting
family
life
and
children
playing
and
personally,
I
don't
think
that
housing
mix
reflects
that.
So
I
would
humbly
ask
you
to
reconsider
that
and
see
if
you
could
get
more
of
the
three
beds
in
the
second
one
was
about
the
230
surface
level,
parking
spaces
and
and
how
realistic
we
feel
that
is
given
the
amount
of
accommodation.
C
Obviously,
in
an
ideal
world,
we
want
fewer
people
to
do
fewer
journeys
in
a
in
a
car,
but
whether
that's
practical
and
feasible.
In
this
context,
I
don't
know-
and
one
of
the
questions
already
down
on
the
paper
chair
is
whether
we
feel
the
amount
of
electric
pointing
charging
points
initially
provided
is
sufficient.
I
would
suggest
that
it,
it
would
need
to
be
more
than
20
or
even
100
at
this
point
and
then
in
general,
I
just
wonder
if
you
could
talk
to
me
about
the
balcony
space.
C
I
have
we
got
as
many
as
we
can
have
practically.
Could
you
make
it
more
and
what
size
are
there?
Please.
L
Whilst
it
is
a
sustainable
location,
we
will
be
looking
to
encourage
public
transport
via
walking,
cycling
and
the
bus
network.
We
do
feel
there
will
be
demand
for
a
percentage
of
parking
spaces
for
people
who
want
to
potentially
live
within
close
proximity
of
the
city
centre,
but
maybe
also
commuting
outwards
for
work.
So,
yes,
we,
we
have
considered
the
level
of
parking
in
some
detail
and
we
think
the
balance
is
is
about
right
but
happy
to
consider
any
comments
in
that
regard.
L
If
we
look
into
the
electric
vehicle
charging
provision,
I
think
the
first
point
to
note
is
we
we
do
take
sustainability
very
seriously
and
it
is
at
the
heart
of
our
design.
Proposals
and
I'd
like
to
to
clarify
about
the
infrastructure
for
provision
will
be
in
scituate
day
one,
so
that
will
include
ducts
into
all
spaces.
All
electrical
distribution
boards
to
enable
additional
charging
points
to
be
connected.
L
We
do
appreciate
that
that
is
increasing
by
the
year
and
there
will
be
increased
demand
in
in
the
forthcoming
years,
but
we
felt
the
balance
of
30
percent
would
enable
future
growth,
but
also
make
sure
that
additional
charging
points
installed
weren't
obsolete
before
they
were
ever
utilized
about
a
phased
provision
of
the
additional
points.
Would
one
enable
the
most
recent
technology
to
be
installed
and
increase
sustainability
and
efficiency
and
prevent
equipment
being
installed
and
disposed
of
before
it
has
actually
been
utilized.
C
J
We've
got
marketing
currents
with
wind,
obviously
we're
in
the
valley.
Here.
Wind
is
whistling
down
that
river.
We've
done
a
wind
survey,
obviously
a
wind
assessment
of
this,
so
we're
providing
them
where
we,
since
we
can,
against
that
wind
strategy.
J
A
Hey,
I
I
think
the
panel
have
started
to
realize
the
value
of
a
balconies
where
they
can
be
fitted,
particularly
with
the
pandemic
and
people
living
in
high
rise
and
who
have
been
isolating
at
home.
So
I
think
in
some
ways
the
world
has
changed,
so
maybe
that's
something
more
consideration
could
be
could
be
given
to.
I.
J
Think
that's
a
sensible
position
to
be,
and
I
mean
we
all
know
it's
been
a
difficult
couple
of
years
with
outdoor
space.
I
think
we.
What
we
do
have
here
is
a
vast
amount
of
outdoor
space
that
is
part
of
that
community,
which
we're
giving
back
to
the
site
effectively
our
landscape,
and
I
think
personally,
I
believe
balconies
are
sensible
where
they
are
viable.
P
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
right.
The
what
you're,
showing
us
is
a
very,
very
attractive
development
and
look
at
making
it
certainly
a
very
attractive
place
to
live.
I
I
wonder
what
is
your
experience
over
previous
developments
about
the
way
people
actually
do
live
in
these
developments?
I've
never
had
to
experience
it
myself.
P
So
I
don't
know
a
personal
experience,
but
human
nature
is
such
that
when
you
know
we're
not
a
naturally
gregarious
nation,
are
we
and
I
just
wonder
whether
you
talk
about
playfulness
and
how
playful
people
are
probably
most
irritating
and.
P
That
we
know
it's
true,
it's
a
fact,
so
I
I
just
wonder
you
know
how
much
actual
experience
of
it
happening.
Do
you
have
the
balconies
that's
been
covered.
Yes,
the
one
thing
which
I
was
never
a
scout,
so
I
never
got
used
to
points
of
the
compass
which
way
is
north.
I
always
like
to
be
able
to
visualize
the
shadows,
and
I
just
want
when,
if
you
can,
if
you
can
tell
me
where,
where
the
sun
is
going
to
be
on
this,
I
know
it's
in
the
sky.
Damn.
J
J
J
L
I
think,
in
terms
of
your
other
comments
on
the
experience
of
the
communities
and
the
utilization
of
these
facilities
on
sites,
we've
got
a
number
of
years
experienced
now
within
the
residential
and
build
tournament
sector.
Specifically,
since
we
completed
our
first
development
in
2014,
our
most
recent
developments
have
shown
that
there's
a
high
level
of
community
engagement
and
the
most
recent
buildings,
we've
we've
completed
an
operational
both
ranking,
neither
top
of
the
the
table
in
terms
of
tenant.
L
L
This
design
here
very
much
takes
into
account
the
requirement
to
build
that
community.
You'll
note
that
the
tenant
facilities
are
centralized
around
the
green
space
in
in
three
blocks
the
intention
very
much
those
to
make
sure
that
none
of
the
residents
feel
marginalized
in
any
of
the
periphery
blocks
and
encourage
activity
through
the
center
of
the
site.
So
I
think
we're
very
much
tailoring
this
to
the
feedback
we've
received
on
previous
developments,
and
this
is
an
evolution
further,
which
has
added
benefits
of
substantial
green
space
and
landscaping,
which
is
going
to
add
to
that
experience.
L
So,
yes,
we
are
finding
these
facilities
are
being
well
utilized,
but
we
are
evolving.
All
the
time
covered
being
a
particular
issue
which
we've
seen
an
increase
in
homework
and,
in
particular
facilities
around
that
to
assist
and
benefit
residents,
who
don't
want
to
spend
all
time
all
of
their
time
within
the
private
dwelling.
So
we
are
trying
to
encourage
that
use
of
community
space
and
we
constantly
build
upon
that.
A
M
Thank
you
chair
to
pick
up
if
I
may,
on
councillor,
brooke's
comments
around
a
number
of
bedrooms
and
our
policy
is,
as
I
believe,
20
officers
constantly
tell
us.
We've
got
to
look
city-wide
useful.
If
officers
could
tell
us
what
the
three-bed
is,
I
believe
it's
three
percent.
M
Sorry,
city
center-wide,
sorry,
I
believe
it's
three
percent
and
if
we
don't
start
moving
nearer
policy,
it's
it's
just
not
going
to
move
it's
very
concerning.
Could
you
just?
You
spoke
about
charging
points,
and
that-
and
I
understand
the
point
you
make.
Of
course
this
isn't
going
to
be
delivered
overnight.
This
is
not
going
to
be
on
ground
and
completed
for
some
years.
M
I
accept
your
arguments
in
terms
of
making
sure
you've
got
the
most
up-to-date
equipment,
but
I-
but
I
don't
accept
that
where
you
are
at
the
moment,
is
anywhere
near
enough
and
I
think
somewhere
far
closer
to
75
percent,
it
is,
is
going
to
be
what
is
needed
by
the
time
you
are
ready
to
have
people
moving
in.
L
Thank
you
for
that.
I
think
the
electric
vehicle
charged
points
I
too,
I'm
sort
of
considering
whether
to
take
the
plunge
into
electric
vehicle
territory,
and
I
think
the
the
the
requirement
to
ensure
the
infrastructure
in
places
is
a
valid
one
and
we
are
supportive
of
the
policy
generally
in
terms
of
we
are
providing
100
provision
of
the
infrastructure
to
these
spaces,
to
avoid
any
disruption
to
tenants
and
any
reasons
or
delays
in
installing
additional
charge
points
in
accordance
with
a
an
agreed
phase
strategy
which
would
be
monitored.
L
I
think,
as
as
I
referenced
previously,
the
level
of
being
proposed
at
the
moment
is
very
much
being
dictated
by
demand.
These
buildings
are
professionally
managed
and
operated
and
effectively
if
there
are,
if
there
is
demand
for
these,
it's
in
our
interest
to
provide
the
additional
charge
points,
because,
ultimately,
we
want
happy
tenants
and
happy
residents
that
want
to
sort
of
live
here.
I
do
again
just
reiterate
the
concerns
about.
L
If
we
install
the
proposed
level
of
provision,
we
would
have
a
a
lot
of
charge
points
which
are
simply
not
being
utilized
in
event
verb
or
obsolete
or
disregarded,
which
it
just
doesn't
seem
sustainable,
which
I
think,
I
think,
the
intention
of
the
policy
to
ensure
that
sustainable
transport
is
at
the
top
of
the
agenda.
So
I
think
the
policy
aspiration
is
correct
and
I
think
we
are
providing
the
infrastructure
to
to
ensure
we
can
comply
with
that.
A
Thank
you
for
that
I'll.
Please.
E
Yes,
I
agree
with
the
comments
made
about
more
three-bed
housing.
I'd
like
to
see
that
I
agree
with
the
comments
about
more
electric
charge
points
and
as
someone
who's
been
driving
an
electric
car
for
the
last
four
years.
I
think
it
seems
to
me
that
the
technology
has
settled
from
the
really
difficult
situation
four
years
ago,
where
you
never
knew
what
you
were
going
to
find,
and
there
was
a
multiplicity
of
of
points
and
I've
certainly
not
had
a
problem
in
the
last
year.
E
So
I
think
we
can
anticipate
that
a
lot
more
people
will
be
having
electric
cars
and
that
they
will
be
more
uniform
standard
of
charge
points.
I
would
like
the
balconies
to
be
reviewed.
I
think,
obviously,
if
it's
going
to
be
really
dangerous
and
the
wind
will
blow
people
off,
then
that's
a
problem,
but
we
don't
want
that.
E
No
or
just
be
really
unpleasant,
but
you
know
people
do
like
balconies
and
you
know
if
the
plant
pots
are
going
to
be
bowling
down
the
coastal
road.
We
don't
want
to
see
that
either,
but,
but
I
think
a
bit
of
a
review
of
that
would
be
nice
and
I
think
that
regard
to
the
number
of
parking
spaces.
There
are
very
good
bus
routes
along
the
kirksville
road.
So
I
I
do
wonder
whether
we
need
quite
some
money
actually
but
that's
open
to
question.
And
finally,
you
mention
a
crash
on
3.10.
E
Do
you
actually
be
in
a
nursery?
Because
a
crash
is
somewhere
where
you
leave
a
child
for
a
short
space
of
time,
because
you're
undertaking
a
class
of
some
sort,
whereas
a
nursery's
full
day
provision
for
parents
who
are
going
to
work,
whether
it's
working
at
home
or
working
wherever?
E
So
you
don't
need
to
comment
on
the
first
three.
I
think
you've
already
commented
and
given
your
views
on
the
the
first
first
issues,
but
perhaps
the
questions
versus
nursery,
you
could
explain
a
bit.
L
Sorry
would
you
just
point
us
in
the
direction
of
the
comments
on
the
crash.
Just
looking
at
the
report,
I
don't
believe,
there's
a
well.
There
isn't
a
crash
proposed
as
part
of
the.
E
L
L
A
Thank
you
all.
That
was
a
really
good
point
on
nursery
versus
crash.
I
I
had
a
when
my
daughter
was
very
small
and
we
both
had
to
work.
We
used
one
just
up
the
road
from
there,
just
the
other
side
of
the
viaduct
for
the
first
three
years
of
a
life
yeah
and
they
often
are
in
short
supply.
So
it
may
well
be
worth
thinking
about
it
for
a
commercial
activity
on
the
site,
there's
an
awful
lot
of
working
parents.
After
all,
it
is
aimed
at
people
under
35.
A
So
you
know
that
that's
certainly
something
that's
worth
considering
and
perhaps
coming
back
thinking
about
a
bit
more,
but
thank
you
for
raising
that
paul.
Please.
N
The
question
was
the
public
open
space
on
the
riverfront
and
and
that
park
that
you
say
is
that
genuine
public,
because
you
then
mentioned
some
tenant
engagement
and
that
seems
to
think
that
it
will
only
be
open
to
tenants.
So
it
was
really
just
to
get
clarification
of
what
is
going
to
be
open
to
everyone,
whether
you
live
there
or
not,
and
what
is
only
going
to
be
reserved
for
residents.
That
was
just
a
clarification
question.
K
Yes,
it's
all
all
publicly
accessible,
yes,
yeah
and
you
know,
it'll
be
open
and
inviting-
and
we
want
the
public
to
use
that
space.
Absolutely
probably
my
my
terminology
may
have
confused
apologies.
For
those
I
mean,
actually,
the
whole
space
is
publicly
accessible.
The
point
I
was
trying
to
get
across
was
that
there
is
a
sort
of
subtle
threshold
between
the
main
space
and
then
the
spaces
closest
to
the
buildings.
I
think,
for.
K
If
you
want
residents
to
use
those
spaces
for
safe
for
growing
food,
then
there
does
need
to
be
a
level
an
edge
to
that
space.
So
you
can
still
access
it
as
a
member
of
the
public,
but
people
have
the
confidence
to
use
those
spaces
in
those
for
those
sorts
of
functions.
Then
it
does
need
to
be
a
level
of
protection
as
well.
So
what
it's
all
is
all
public
accessible.
The
main
central
space
is
open
to
the
riverside.
D
Yes,
I've
I've
sat
back
and
let
everybody
else
ask
questions,
because
mine
is
the
usual
ancillary
question
about
trees,
and
I
mean
clearly
alongside
the
river.
You
need
water,
loving
trees
and
along
cursor
road.
You
need
trees
which
are
pollution.
Tolerant.
Could
you
let
me
have
a
list
of
the
trees,
please,
which
you
plan
to
plant?
If
you
haven't
got
it
now,
I
should
be
glad
if
you
would
send
it
me.
Thank
you.
K
Yes,
we
can
do
that.
I
haven't
got
here
today,
but
we'll
we'll
we'll
send
that
across.
A
Thank
you
moving
on
to
comments,
then
I'll
bring
paul
in
and
I'll
take
members.
I
N
Yeah
I
mean
the
housing
mix.
Thing
is
something
that
needs
to
be
sorted
out
with
with
the
three-bedroom,
because
you
came
to
scrutiny,
did
that
and
the
policy
is
still
20
but
they're
doing
a
separate
table
now
for
the
city
center,
which
we're
achieving
three
percent,
but
we're
still
at
20.
But
what
seems
to
be
from
the
last
panel
on
our
scrutiny
about
what
happened
at
the
last
panel
that
it
became
an
auction
really
with
regards
to
whether
we
went
they
went
to
10,
we
gave
them
the
permission,
etc.
N
It's
not
the
way
we
can
work,
because
this
developer
clearly
he's
seeing
that
I'm
thinking
10
is
going
to
get
me
over
the
line,
but
is
it
what
we
want
as
a
city
and
and
then
but
then
I
go
on
to
say-
and
I
said:
is
it
scrutiny?
N
Does
three
bedrooms
deliver
you
a
family
or
does
three
bedrooms
deliver
you
three
separate
rooms
being
rented
out
through
through
someone
buying
the
flat
and
then
subletting
it
out.
So
does
it
bring
you
a
family
or
does
it
not
it's?
N
I
don't
wanna
answer
to
it,
but
it's
something
that
officers
do
need
to
embrace,
because
I
think
the
will
of
the
panel
is
that
we
want
to
encourage
families,
and
I
think
that
the
developers
probably
want
to
encourage
families,
but
they
won't
put
three
bedrooms
in
if
they
don't
think
they
can
rent
them
out
or
sell
them.
And
ultimately
we
don't
really
want
three
bedrooms
rented
out
as
three
single
rooms,
because
that
just
gives
us
a
worse
problem
than
than
single
flats
in
our
fairness,
council
carol's
shooting
his
shoulders
and
not
worried
about
it.
N
So
that's
that's
the
real
point
I
wanted
to
make
to
officers
that
we
need
to
get
a
clear
steer
about
where
we're
going
to
go
with
the
guys.
I
think
you
know
where
members
want
to
go,
but
it's
a
case
of
having
that
policy
sorted
out
with
balconies
and
with
council
growing.
We
do
need
as
many
balconies
as
we
can
and
council
gathway
things
will
always
blow
off
the
balconies.
N
N
Yeah
they
do
yeah
yeah.
They
run
on
the
rails,
they're
very
grippy
squirrels
in
leafy
hotels.
I
can
assure
you
so,
but
I
think
we
do
need
balconies,
because
all
the
open
space
you
provide
isn't
useful
in
a
pandemic
when
we
can
only
meet
with
one
other
person
and
not
sit
with
them.
We
can
only
exercise
which
we
were
at.
I
think
this
time
last
year,
so
their
own
public,
their
private
outdoor
space
is,
is
the
key
to
it.
N
You
know,
I
know
juliet
balconies,
you
all
like
to
think
satisfactory,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
council
group
is
checking
that
she's
not
going
to
take
a
juliet
bulk
in
the
other
balcony.
So
I
think
it's
a
gift
of
getting
as
many
as
you
can
preferably
south
facing
balconies
to
satisfy
the
council
at
it
because
he
likes
themselves
because
and
just
finally
on
the
parking
spaces.
I
think,
if
you
were
coming
in
to
build
today,
then
30
would
be
okay
with
everything
else.
N
There
will
be
at
some
point
that
deluge
in
charging
points,
and
I
think
councillor
catholic
was
trying
to
make
the
point
about
accessible
charging
points,
because
I've
had
some
putting
in
my
ward,
which
I
was
offered
them
for
free
and
they
were
going
to
be
all
singing
and
all
dancing
and
I
believe
they're
only
any
good
for
teslas.
I
don't
know
anything
about
this.
Plug-A-Lack
I'd
have
thought
that
when
we
were
designing,
plugs
we'd
have
a
universal
plug,
but
unless
we
you
can't
because
they're
all
charging
different
rates.
N
So
it's
a
case
of
getting
a
universal,
I
mean
why
we
can't
have
a
universal
plug.
I
still
I'm
unsure,
but
it's
getting
the
ones
that
people
use,
because
there's
no
point
in
charging
points
that
are
only
selective
to
certain
vehicles
which
might
not
be
used.
So
I
think
it's
doing
the
work
on
that
before
and
I
think
probably
would
need
a
condition
to
make
sure
that
we
get
the
right
charging
points
in
and
I'm
rambling
now
so
I'll
leave
it
with
you.
A
I
don't
think
you're
rambling
at
all.
I
think
you
made
perfect
sense.
I
did
have
a
side
conversation
with
john
about
our
policy
on
housing
mix
and
I
think
girls
is
a
little
unclear,
particularly
for
the
city
center,
and
I've
asked
that
we,
we
really
ought
to
look
at
that
again
and
be
more
decisive
in
and
provide
better
guidance
to
members.
A
A
You
know
as
a
first
choice,
but
anyway
it's
something
we
should
look
at
and
consider
and
it
was
fascinating
about
plugs.
I
have
to
admit,
I
thought
we
had
universal
plugs
and
they
did
every
car
that
was
fascinating
to
learn.
Thank
you
for
that
paul,
okay,
caroline!
Please.
C
There
were
a
few
mutterings
at
this
end
of
the
table
about
whether
we
would
agree.
This
is
a
city
centre
location.
C
I
think,
and
that's
that's
what
underpinned
my
question
about
the
parking
is:
is
it
that
central
would
be
a
rhetorical
question
at
this
point
just
back
to
balconies
briefly,
because
we're
into
the
debate
now,
rather
than
the
questions,
I
think
I
spent
quite
an
amount
of
time
in
the
residential
areas
of
germany,
and
my
experience
is
that
every
single
flat
that
I
visited
workers
people
live
in
flats
as
a
matter
of
course,
in
germany,
every
single
flat
I
visited
had
a
balcony,
so
I
think
there
must
be
some
way
of
designing
balconies,
it's
a
greater
height
and
a
greater
size
than
you
have
here,
because
flats
abroad
have
them
every
single
flat
has
a
balcony.
C
So
I
think
it's
worth
actually
looking
looking
at
that
issue
just
to
take
the
the
debate
about
the
one
bed
and
the
three
beds
a
little
further
forward,
I
think
we
do
need
to
revisit
the
policy.
I
I
suggest
we
perhaps
begin
to
look
at
that
at
plans
chairs
meeting,
because
I
do
think
we
need
to
be
clear.
I
think
we
need
to
be
clear
about
what
the
impact
is,
because
one
bed
flats
is
creating
a
particular
kind
of
community
and
that
community
isn't
the
community
that
you
are
depicting
on
your
cgis.
C
Finally,
on
materials
and
design,
I
think
this
is
quite
attractive
and
I
like
the
materials
and
the
tones
that
have
chosen-
and
I
think
they
suit
the
area
very
well.
But
my
question
is
looking
at
page
38.
The
slide
on.
Is
it
slide
36
on
page
38
of
the
presentation
pack,
I'm
not
sure
that
in
real
life
you
would
perceive
that
brickwork,
quite
as
clearly
as
it
looks
there
from
the
distance
that
you
we
are
positioned
as
the
observer
here
and
so
the
likelihood
is.
C
It
might
look
a
little
bit
more
bland
than
it's
made
to
look
on
that
illustration.
If
you
see
where
I'm
coming
from
so
what
I'm
saying
is
I
I
like
the
way
it's
depicted
here,
so
I
hope
there
will
be
some
perceivable
character
from
a
reasonable
distance
and
that
it
won't
look
bland
from
the
middle
distance,
but
the
tones
and
the
and
the
materials
and
the
style,
I
think,
is
very
appropriate
to
the
area.
C
Oh
and
as
a
part
owner
of
a
hybrid
car,
I
find
it
absolutely
useless.
So
I
think
the
route
is
going
to
be
to
go
through
to
full
electric.
I
G
Thank
you,
chad.
This
question's
been
raised,
and
I
think
it
might
be
my
differing
view
in
the
fact
that
the
first
house
I
bought
in
leeds
is
is
not
far
from
this,
and
I
think
if
that
area
was
a
bit
more
family
friendly
than
than
it
unfortunately
has
become.
I
probably
would
still
live
there
with
with
my
two
children,
and
I
think
for
me
that
connection
then
and
and
that
divide
for
me
this
isn't
city
center
and
that's
the
concern
I
have
in
in
quite
a
lot
of
the
areas
of
kirksville
road.
G
For
me,
this
is
very
different
than
that
in
a
very
different
location
and
we
have
a
choice
of
what
location
we
want
this
to
be,
and
I
think
it's
a
family
area,
I'm
concerned
that,
if
we're,
if
we're
ending
up
thinking
about
city
centre
living,
then
that
happens
in
the
city
centre,
and
that
happens
there,
because
it
is
incredibly
close
to
all
those
things
in
the
city
centre.
G
This
isn't
necessarily
and
there's
some
families
that
are
living
across
the
road
there
that
that
would
would
love
it
to
have
more
of
a
feel
of
a
residential
community
that
I'm
worried
we're
going
away
from
with
some
of
these
developments
and
in
that
way
really.
G
This
development
confuses
me
a
bit
because
the
level
of
parking
where
we'd
have
accepted
lower,
where
a
city
center
development
next
to
the
train
station
I'd,
have
been
calling
for
there
to
be
no
parking,
possibly
or
visitor
parking.
Only
were
it
another
mile
out
of
the
city
would
be
asking
for
the
opposite
and
probably
a
bit
bigger
with
the
three
bedrooms.
I'm
then,
on
that
level.
G
This
I
think,
needs
to
be
closer
to
what
you'd
expect
in
a
residential
community
than
you'd
expect
in
the
middle
of
brigade,
and
I
think
that's
where
we
need
to
be
clearer
on
many
and
that's
where
paul's
completely
right
on
this,
we
we
didn't
for
developers
that
might
want
to
watch
later.
We
didn't
set
a
precedent
that
anywhere
in
the
city,
we
would
accept
10
as
our
minimum.
G
It
might
not
be
a
family,
but
it
gives
you
the
option
of
a
family
that
a
one
bedroom
flat
does
not
give
you
so
I'd
rather
have
three
people
living
there
in
a
shared
flat.
That
then,
has
the
opportunity
of
at
some
point
housing
a
family
than
something
that
couldn't
and
to
be
honest,
it
may
allow
three
people
to
afford
a
flat,
this
close
to
the
city
centre,
who
who
otherwise
may
not
be
able
to
afford
it.
So
I
think
that's
really
my
question
and
I
don't
know
how
we
address
that
fact.
G
A
Thank
you
for
those
comments.
I'm
sure
that
you've-
and
it's
not
just
you
it's
members
around
the
table,
have
given
planning
officers
some
work
to
do
it's
something.
I
think
we
probably
need
to
discuss
a
chairs
meeting,
as
suggested
by
council
groom.
So
we'll
hear
more
on
that.
Moving
on
and
david,
please.
O
Peter
says
about
this
and
all
the
other
members
quite
clearly,
that's
this
site
is
more
family-friendly
than
one
site
that
would
be
near
it
to
the
city
center
and
we
need
a
better
housing
mix
there
when,
if
you,
if
you
go
about
many
years,
just
across
the
road
and
and
around
that
area
with
family
housing,
so
we
when
we're
trying
to
bring
back
that
family
housing
into
those
areas.
So
I
think
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
that
regard.
O
We're
challenging
the
charges
for
cars.
I
mean
this
is
going
to
take
a
long
time
to
develop
and
I
would
say
it
depends
on
what
the
build-out
is,
because
by
the
time
you
built
this
out,
most
of
your
car
owners
have
got
go
to
live.
There
probably
will
have
electric
gas,
and
I
think
that
what
you've
got
to
look
at
is
how
things
are
going
to
let
develop
over
the
next.
What
five
to
ten
years-
and
I
think
what
you're
doing
you
don't
wait
to
put
it
to
happen,
you're
ready
for
doing
it.
O
So
I
think
we
need,
as
it's
built
out,
we
need
the
appropriate
level
of
of
of
charges
basis.
I
mean
there's
nothing
if
you
intend
to
do
it
as
you
build
a
but,
as
I
say,
you've
got
to
work
on
the
intent
of
the
thing
as
near
as
possible.
Do
100
really.
H
Yeah
just
echo
what
what
pete
is
saying
really
so
in
in
terms
of
the
location,
there
is
a
brilliant
primary
school
for
which
I'm
a
governor,
not
10,
minute,
walk
away.
Yes,
yep
the
I
mean
the
the
housing
mix.
Targets
is
10
one
bed,
two,
fifty
percent
two
bed,
thirty
percent
three
bed
and
ten
percent
four
bed.
I
don't
understand
why
we've
got
this
confusion
over
whether
oh
you
know
it's
a
city,
center
location
and
therefore
it
should
be.
H
I
don't
know
50
one
bed
or
whatever
like
it's
silly.
It's
silly!
You
look
at
the
location,
it's
quite
clearly,
not
the
city
center
really,
and
if
the,
if
the
developer
is
saying
family
friendly
development,
that
that
doesn't
mean
one
beds
to
me,
I
mean
there's
plenty,
there's
plenty
of
families
that
are
living
in
one
bed,
accommodation
with
one
or
more
children
in
my
ward,
but
I'd
rather
that
be
improved
on
and
have
more
three
and
four
bed
properties
that
they
can
live
in
and
get
to
work
from
easier.
H
So
yeah
excuse
my
town
chair.
I
am
quite
angry
about
it,
but
thank
you.
M
Thanks
jeff,
you
know
I
share
councillor
brooks's
frustration
with
this
council
policies
do
not
come
from
nowhere,
they
evolve,
they
are
debated
and
they
are
adopted,
and
we
might
not.
All
of
us
across
the
council
agree
with
them,
but
it's
hugely
frustrating
when
we
have
them
and
then
just
choose
to
ignore
them,
and
I
understand
some
of
the
logic
of
being
flexible
almost
to
the
point
of
breaking
in
terms
of
some
city
center
locations.
M
M
We
have
a
policy
of
30
or
thereabouts
for
three
bed
and
we
are
never
going
to
get
anywhere
near
our
target
positive
if
we
consistently
approve
applications
below
that.
So
I
put
that
down
as
a
very
firm,
clear
marker
as
to
my
view
on
this
particular
issue,
and
I
don't
think
I'm
a
million
miles
away
from
colleagues
right
around
the
room
on
that
in
terms
of
charging
points
today
has
been
something
of
an
education
for
me,
because
I
have
not
realized
how
many
different
plugs
there
are.
M
Nonetheless,
once
I've
got
over
that-
and
I
will
speak
to
colleagues
more
on
that
particular
topic,
and
it
seems
very
clear
to
me
that
the
current
proposal
around
the
amount
of
available
plug
and
play
parking
charging
points
is
woefully
inadequate
for
what
is
going
to
be
needed.
In
very
short
order,
and
so
as
as
this
is,
I
can't
again
support
where
this
application
is
to
to.
As
councillor
blackburn
said,
if
this
was
going
to
be
finished
tomorrow,
that
would
be
one
thing,
but
it's
not
going
to
be
finished
tomorrow.
A
Thank
you
dan.
I've
seen
all
my
members,
so
we
might
want
go
on
to
three
questions
we
here
and
please
out.
E
Yes,
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
with
most
of
what's
been
said
in
comments,
so
I
won't
repeat
that,
except
to
say
the
echo
that
a
three-bedroom
flat
might
not
just
be
a
family,
although
that
would
be
good.
It
might
be,
for
example,
three
nurses
who
wish
to
share-
and
that
happens
quite
a
lot-
I'm
not
talking
about
students
necessarily
but
people
in
their
20s
and
30s
wish
to
share,
rather
than
necessarily
going
into
single
bed
accommodation,
and
we
should
be
open
to
that
as
well.
Thank.
G
A
Thank
you
all
before
we
go
on
the
questions.
The
applicants
have
heard
clearly
members
viewers
around
the
table
and
I'm
sure
they
will
take
note
and
consider
these
things
when
it
comes
before
it
comes
back
to
this
next
time.
In
the
meantime,
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
our
policy
a
bit
more
closely
and
we
will
do
that
moving
on
then
to
page
46.
On
this
three
questions,
I
think
I
know
the
answer
to
most
of
these
already.
A
The
first
one
do
members
support
the
emerging
layout
and
scale
of
the
proposed
development.
That's
probably
a
yes,
you
see
yep.
B
Yes,
it
was
more
about
the
the
general
layout
in
terms
of
how
the
blocks
individually
relate
to
each
other,
the
public
open
space,
the
routes
through
and
so
on,
but
happy
to
take
on
boards
what's
said
about,
obviously
the
housing
mix
and
how
that
would
affect
the
layout.
The
three
bed
units
I've
shown
are
pepper,
potted
throughout
the
development.
B
So
perhaps
some
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
particular
views
on
that,
whether
that's
the
right
approach
or
whether,
given
obviously
what
we've
been
talking
about,
whether
it's
better
to
have
actually
one
block
more
dedicated
to
the
three
bed
units,
so
it
might
foster
a
bit
more
family
interaction.
G
Just
on
that
point,
I
think
the
problem
is
with
the
balance,
because
if
you
have
one
family
living
in
an
area
where
everyone
else
is
young
single
people,
then
that's
probably
not
the
right
sense
of
pepper
potting
and
you
might
be
better
having
a
family
building.
However,
I
wouldn't
like
to
see
that
I'd
much
rather
the
fact
that
there
were
half
and
half
families
and
individuals
and
therefore
making
a
proper
mixed
community,
like
you
might
say,
in
the
houses,
the
other
side,
the
terrace
houses.
G
So
I
think
that's
the
problem
that
the
pepper
potting
approach
is
perfect,
pepper,
potting
approach.
If
it
is
the
correct
mix
of
houses,
but
if
it
is
too
little,
then
it
it
won't
fit,
and
it
will
be
like
being
the
last
house
left
of
a
family
in
hyde
park
when
the
rest
of
the
house
when
the
rest
of
the
streets
are
students,
etc.
I
think
I
think
that's
the
difficulty
and
I'm
a
bit
concerned
that
we
could
make
kirksville
road
into
the
next
hyde
park.
G
In
that
scenario,
student
flats
in
the
city
center,
where
we're
going
not
to
be
in
a
residential
area,
and
I'm
worried,
we
might
just
elongate
the
city
center
so
that
we
allow
more
student,
develop
developments
and
individuals
in
it
rather
than
rather
than
protect
the
policy.
That's
there.
A
So
on
that
one,
then
perhaps
we
need
some
some
further
thoughts
on
it,
so
we
we
shall
just
say
liz.
D
I
lived
in
a
block
of
flats
in
oxford
and
it
was
mainly
for
postgraduate
students,
but
a
number
of
them
did
have
children,
and
I
have
to
say
that
some
families
were
a
bit
of
a
nuisance
to
others
and
it
it
reminded
me
of
the
playfulness
you
know,
but
families
are
families,
I
mean
I've
had
a
family
and-
and
I
know
bringing
up
children.
I
know
what
it's
like.
D
B
I
think
so
I
think
we
we
probably
need
to
have
a
chat
about
obviously
housing
mix,
but
clearly
clearly
in
terms
of
the
questions
that
we
were
looking
more
about
the
layout
and
the
scale.
But
I
think
it's
clear
that
that
housing
mix
is
a
is
perhaps
a
question
that
we
should
be
should
have
been
asking
and
but
hear
it
loud
and
quite
clear.
We
need
to
need
to
firm
up.
A
Our
members
happy
with
the
layout
and
the
scale
and
we'll
shrunk
that
one
on
parker
for
a
while
is
that?
Yes,
yes
yep
just
to
move
on,
I
mean
it
does.
It
does
permit
into
what
we've
said
around
the
table
and
other
in
other
questions
than
that.
Okay,
so
layout
and
scale
we're
happy.
Yes,
do
members
have
any
specific
feedback
on
the
emerging
ever
evolution.
C
Canola
yeah.
Well,
I
guess
I
gave
my
comments
earlier.
I
I
think
the
mater
the
palette
and
the
materials
are
are
really
suitable
fit
for
purpose
and
well
well
designed,
but
I
wouldn't
want
what
I
said
before
was.
If
one
stands
in
the
middle
distance,
I
hope
you
will
perceive
that
in
the
same
way
that
it's
shown
you.
A
I
A
And
I
think
that
concludes
the
presentation.
A
Can
I
thank
the
applicants
most
enlightening
and
you
certainly
give
us
fruitful
thoughts
so
sorry
again
that
you
had
to
wait
for
the
presentation,
but
I'm
sure
we
got
where
we
needed
to
be
lots
of
guidance
there
for
you
lots
of
guidance
for
planning
offices
before
it
comes
back
to
us.
Thank
you
again
and
good
afternoon.
I
F
A
Hey,
can
we
resume
the
meeting
then,
and
if
you
will
please
move
on
to
page
51
agenda
item
nine
another
pre-app:
do
you
want
to
say
a
few
words
by
way
of
introduction,
tim.
I
Thanks
chad,
very
very
briefly,
to
introduce
the
the
the
scheme
officers
have
been
speaking
with
the
the
current
developers,
modern,
their
team
for
the
the
past
six
months
or
so,
and
we've
had
some
quite
productive
discussions
in
terms
of
an
iterative
process.
Members
will
be
familiar
with
the
site
dance
scheme
that
outline
planning.
Permission
has
been
granted
for
on
three
occasions
over
the
past
20
years
and
unfortunately,
none
of
those
schemes
have
come
forward.
So
hopefully
this
is
the
one
that
will
will
get
off
the
ground.
I
I'll
pass
you
over
to
andrew
now,
who
will
introduce
the
team?
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
tim
welcome,
andrew
and
team.
You'll
know
how
these
things
work.
You've
10
minutes
to
present
your
your
application
and
members,
then
will
have
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
and
comment
for
your
guidance.
So
when
you're
ready,
please
start.
R
Thank
you
chair.
I
think
we
did
agree
15
minutes
just
as
point
of
clarity.
I
think,
if
that's
still,
okay
with
everyone
yeah,
thank
you
just
with
it
being
a
slightly
larger
site
and
yes,
I'm
andrew
windrus
planning
consultant
for
the
application
I'll.
Let
individuals
introduce
himself
as
and
when
they
do,
but
we've
got
nick
and
kerry
the
architects
to
my
right
and
andrew
price
landscape
architect,
who
you've
already
heard
from
today
as
well.
R
As
has
been
touched
on
in
the
report
and
you'll
see
on
a
slide
today,
so
it
will
be
for
a
major
mixed
use,
outline
scheme
with
residential
office,
commercial
and
a
travel
hub
all
brought
forward.
The
outline
application
will
be
just
looking
to
agree
the
principles
of
development,
the
maximum
quantums.
R
It
will
set
some
parameters
for
minimums
and
maximum
building
heights
and
distances
between
buildings,
and
then
it
will
also
just
agree
the
main
points
of
access
into
the
site.
So
that's
the
only
matters
that
will
be
considered
by
this
application
and
I'll,
say:
reserve
matters.
Application
where
the
detail
will
come
forward
will
hopefully
be
closely
following
an
outline
approval
later
this
year
I'll
hand
over
to
nick
to
present
the
details.
S
Thanks
andrew
this
first
slide
shows
the
location
of
the
site
shown
edged
red
on
the
image
situated
within
holbeck
to
the
south
of
lee
city
centre
and
you'll,
see
the
city
center
boundary
shown
as
a
dark
black
line.
So
it's
within
the
city
centre
to
the
south.
This
is
a
key
gateway
site
into
the
city
from
the
south
and
it
presents
a
significant
regeneration
opportunity
with
potential
to
support
connections
between
residential
areas
to
the
south
and
the
city
centre.
S
The
vision
driving
these
current
proposals
is
to
deliver
a
new
high
residential-led
mixed-use
scheme,
with
significant
new
green
infrastructure
and
public
realm
to
support
connections
to
the
wider
area.
Development
will
include
a
new
network
of
pedestrian-focused
streets
and
spaces
alongside
homes,
workplaces,
a
hotel,
restaurant
shops
and
other
amenities.
S
S
S
This
next
slide
shows
the
current
site
environment,
dominated
by
surface
car
parking
and
the
existing
road
infrastructure.
There's
a
halford
store
towards
the
northeast
corner
of
the
site.
You
can
see
on
the
top
left
image
and
there's
also
a
large
operational
primary
substation
in
the
centre
of
the
site
accessed
from
trent
streets
areas
of
landscaping
within
the
site
boundary
providing
north-south
pedestrian
routes
from
bowling
green
terrace
towards
street
sweet
streets.
However,
the
pedestrian
environment
is
currently
very
poor
and
the
whole
area
is
in
need
of
significant
improvement.
S
Opportunities
and
constraints
have
been
analyzed
in
detail
throughout
the
design
development
process.
The
sketch
we
can
see
on
the
screen
highlights
a
number
of
the
key
constraints
that
have
been
taken
into
account
during
the
design
process.
These
include
high
pressure,
gas
lines
and
associated
easements
to
the
north
and
south.
S
S
This
slide
shows
some
of
the
initial
sketch
concepts
developed
in
response
to
the
site,
opportunities
and
constraints.
The
sketches
show
lower
scale
commercial
edges
to
meadow
road
and
jack
lane,
with
a
residential
cluster
of
accommodation
of
buildings
set
back
from
these
busy
roads
located
to
the
north
and
west
of
the
site.
S
S
S
S
Importantly,
the
parameter
plans
also
provide
flexibility
to
allow
the
scheme
to
develop
and
evolve
over
time
in
response
to
changing
requirements
and
demands
the
slide
on
the
screen.
As
we
see
it
now
shows
the
key
changes
to
the
illustrative
massing
and
the
building
footprints
between
july,
which
is
when
we
first
met
with
tim
in
december
last
year.
S
S
It's
important
to
note
at
this
point
that
the
illustration
is
just
one
potential
form
of
development
that
could
be
brought
forward
in
line
with
the
proposed
parameter
plans
and
we'll
skip
forward
too.
Actually
now
this
2d
illustrative
master
plan
describes
the
principles
of
building
sighting
and
separation
and
public
realm
route,
spaces
and
connections
that
are
safeguarded
by
the
parameter
plans.
S
On
this
plan
we
show
the
development
of
the
substation
plots
and
that's
plot
d
in
the
centre
of
the
plan
across
the
whole
site.
We
can
now
start
to
appreciate
the
scale
of
the
public
realm
and
how
the
key
concepts
of
space
movements
and
connections
shown
on
the
earliest
slides
have
been
developed
and
integrated.
S
And
then
going
back
to
the
previous
slide,
this
shows
the
master
plan
with
the
substation
retained
in
the
centre
of
the
sites.
So
in
this
condition
a
new
landscape
boundary
would
be
proposed
and
introduced
to
the
substation
and
this
boundary
edge
would
be
developed.
So
it's
fully
integrated
with
the
adjacent
massing
and
building
design
to
form
a
single,
cohesive
development,
and
you
can
see
from
this
that
the
key
routes,
the
spaces
and
the
overall
organization,
the
master
plan
remain
unchanged
from
the
previous
image
we
had
on
the
screen.
S
And
then,
looking
now
at
the
main
public
spaces,
this
slide
shows
the
illustration
of
the
proposed
sweet
street
linear
park
to
give
an
impression
of
how
it
could
look.
This
will
be
a
fantastic
new
tree-lined
public
space
facing
sweet
street.
It
will
provide
the
interface
and
connection
to
the
city
center
and
will
establish
the
overall
green
character
of
the
development
at
22
meters
wide
by
133
meters
long.
This
is
a
significant
space.
It
provides
opportunity
for
a
variety
of
routes
and
soft
landscaped
areas
and
supports
aspirations
for
a
boulevard
type
green
corridor
along
sweet
street.
S
City,
one
square
accessed
directly
from
the
linear
park
is
the
central
public
space
within
the
development.
It
provides
opportunity
to
dwell
in
space
for
seating
and
spillouts
from
active
frontage
at
the
base
of
the
buildings.
This
is
a
pedestrian-only
space
and
provides
a
further
north-south
route
through
the
sites.
S
S
Although
this
green
street
integrates
service
access
and
other
limited
vehicular
movement,
it's
very
much
a
pedestrian
priority
environment.
You
can
see
from
the
sections
at
the
bottom
that
generous
footpaths
and
layered
green
infrastructure
will
help
create
a
welcoming
route
through
the
centre
of
development.
S
S
Building
lines
to
these
edges
are
set
back
along
jack
lane
and
meadow
road
to
accommodate
existing
trees
and
also
to
allow
for
new
tree
planting
within
the
site
boundary.
As
shown
on
the
indicative
section.
A
minimum
10
meter
setback
along
meadow
road
allows
recycle
lane
alongside
pedestrian
routes,
trees
and
soft
landscaping.
S
S
S
A
C
I
think,
looking
at
the
drawings
and
listening
to
the
presentation,
I
think
the
design
and
masking
seem
appropriate
on
paper.
But
what
strikes
me
is
that
it's
is
it
am
I
right
2
000
plus
dwellings,
which
is
4
000
people,
it's
a
whole
community
that
you'd
be
creating
on
this.
Have
you
thought
about
infrastructure
such
as
doctor,
surgeries
and
things
because
to
4
000
people
is
a
huge
amount
of
people
to
just
put
in
an
area
and
schooling.
R
Yes,
certainly
that
came
up
in
a
presentation
with
the
holdback
forum
as
well,
because
it
is
within
that
that
area
of
the
whole
neighborhood
plan
as
well
with
regard
to
the
the
doctors
there
is
that
commercial
space
and
the
use
classes
there,
which
would
be
able
to
accommodate
that
so
again
with
reserve
matters
and
as
there
is
that
threshold
of
residents
coming
forward,
I'm
sure
that's
something
which
medical
practices
would
be
quite
likely
keen
to
to
locate
onto
this
site
and
something
that
the
applicant
will
be
keen
to
consider.
R
There
are
schools
within
the
locality,
of
course,
some
of
them
there
are
recent
ones
proposed
as
well
within
the
the
situ
scheme.
So
that's
something
which
we'll
discuss
further
with
offices
as
to
the
actual
access
to
certain
ages
and
age
groups
within
those
schools
and
we'll
get
that
feedback.
I'm
sure
from
the
education
department
within
the
council
and
the
applications
submitted.
C
And
equally
the
buildings
themselves
as
depicted
on
the
on
page
76
on
those
two
sketches:
they
are
huge
structures,
aren't
they
so
it
looks
very
attractive.
The
examples
of
building
styles
and
materials
that
you
put
at
the
back,
but
I
think,
if
you,
if
we're
constructing
huge
buildings
at
this
scale,
it
does
make
the
quality
of
construction
and
appearance
really
important
and
how
that
would
be
perceived
from
ground
level.
I'm
not
sure
really
big.
G
Thanks
chet,
I
think
one
of
the
caroline's
alluded
to
it.
Really.
I
think
one
of
the
difficulties
to
grasp
here
is
maybe
scale,
because
I'm
I'm
looking
at
this
plan
and
when
I
look
at
just
the
2d
plan
alone.
I
see
a
lot
of
corridors
of
green
space
and
I
get
the
linear
park.
But
I'm
a
bit
concerned
that
this
amount
of
people-
probably
there's
the
courtyard
there
and
I'm
trying
to
get
that
size,
and
I
think
it's
hard
to
gather
that
scale
without
the
pictures.
G
But
I'm
a
bit
concerned
that
there's
lots
of
small
corridors
of
green
space
that
that
you
could
use,
but
has
there
been
any
thought
to
whether
it
would
be
better
to
separate
the
buildings
round,
place
them
more
around
in
a
the
outlying
areas
or
or
separate
from
one
side,
so
that
there
could
be
a
sizable
chunk
of
green
space
in
this,
because
I
think
that
would
that
would
maybe
much
nicer
and
looking
at
then
the
different
areas
in
that
this
amount
of
people
is
probably
enough.
G
That
would
deserve
a
large
amount
of
green
space
park,
playground,
etc.
And
I
I
just
wonder
if
you
can
talk
us
through
that,
a
bit
more
because
it's
very
hard
to
gauge
on
this,
whether
we're
looking
at
a
number
of
streets
such
as
cook
ridge
street,
which
have
their
place
in
the
city
centre.
But
you
wouldn't
expect
your
children
to
play
there
or
whether
any
of
these
are
going
to
be
areas
that
you
would
expect
in
a
residential.
K
And
community
take
the
first
point
on
the
the
the
size
and
scale
and
and
position
of
the
public.
Space
again
is
something
we
gave
a
lot
of
thought
to,
and
obviously
one
of
the
considerations
around
context
and
obviously
city
park
is
coming
forward,
which
is
a
large
public
space.
You
give
that
type
of
offer.
I
suppose
of
you
know
the
thing
about
the
different
activities
you
do
in
these
spaces
of
kicking
a
ball
around
the
sort
of
the
sense
of
openness.
K
We've
got
a
city
park
coming
forward
on
one
side
and
then
a
whole
bit
more
park
just
on
on
the
other
side
as
well,
just
the
south,
I
should
say
I
think
also
we
want
to
understand
in
terms
of
the
scale
of
the
buildings
also
the
size
of
those
streets
and
the
the
linear
street.
The
green
street
through
the
center
is
25
meters
wide.
K
So
it's
about
two-thirds
of
the
width
of
sovereign
square,
but
four
times
as
long
so
they're
huge
spaces,
and
because
you
know
it's
not
like,
we've
got
two
two
lanes
of
traffic
going
through
the
whole
length
of
it.
There
is
access
to
the
north,
but
there's
a
huge
amount
of
space
within
those
streets
given
over
to
amenity
and
they're
gonna
serve
a
number
of
functions
both
in
terms
of
side
wide
infrastructure,
but
also
amenity.
K
So
we
want
those
spaces
to
really
offer
a
huge
amount
and
similarly
on
sweet
street,
the
linear
park
is
26
meters
wide.
So
it's
a
really
really
generous
space
in
itself.
It's
just.
It
happens
to
be
quite
long
as
well.
O
Be
by
surprise,
I
think
this
quick
is
that
on
meadow
road,
certainly
there's
going
to
be
some
planting
going
down
there,
but
from
what
I
can
see
here,
I
can't
envisage
you
actually
what
you're
doing
meadow
road
takes
in
the
slipper
up
a
slipper
road
off
for
m621
and
comes
around
the
roundabout
from
jewsbury
road,
and
I
know
from
working
down
there
for
many
years
the
level
of
particulate
material,
that's
at
a
lower
level
around
there,
it
is,
is
really
bad
and
all
the
buildings
you're
gonna
build
against
that
one.
O
Alfred's
old
place
our
offices,
but
quite
clearly,
if
sufficient
planting
isn't
done
to
to
deal
with
particulate
matter,
that's
gonna
go
that's
gonna
spread
on
onto
the
site.
So
what
specifically
you're
gonna
do
on
that
from
jack,
laying
down
that
corner
on
the
road.
K
See
in
terms
of
the
the
proposal
along
the
street,
the
buildings
can
be
set
back
at
least
10
meters,
from
from
the
edge
of
the
carriageway
and
within
there
to
be
a
three
meter
cycle
corridor,
a
three
meter
tree
line
which
include
meadow
planting
underneath
it
and
then
a
low
level.
Planting
set
back
from
that
as
well.
K
So
there's
a
series
of
layers
within
the
planting
and
the
benefits
and
part
of
the
strategy
around
there
was
around
absorbing
and
protecting
the
spaces
within
the
development,
from
the
air
quality
along
meadow
road
and
and
obviously
improving
air
quality
on
the
way
as
well.
So
the
whole
strategy
is
around
getting
that
green
edge
to
the
development
where
it
fronts,
jack,
lane
and
meadow
road
and
bringing
that
and
drawing
that
green
infrastructure
into
the
site.
N
You're
only
giving
this
green
space
over
because
you've
got
no
build
zone
to
the
south
and
you've
got
a
high-pressure
gas
main
to
the
north,
which
is
which
is
logical,
that
you're
not
going
to
try
to
build
up
or
move
those.
But
a
long,
linear
piece
of
landscaping
doesn't
do
the
same
work
as
a
square
and
the
courtyard
I
I'll
ask
you.
N
I'm
not
supposed
to
tell
you
how
to
work
your
business,
but,
but
you
know,
you've
got
to
get
you've
got
numbers
in
mind
and
and
you've
got
to
get
to
there
in
some
shape
or
form,
but
leaving
this
space
on
the
ground
without
a
decent
square
that
is,
that
is
accessible
to
everybody.
I
appreciate
the
the
the
length
of
the
northern
edge
is
is
good,
but
it's
never
as
good
as
a
square.
N
A
linear
piece
never
works
as
well
as
a
as
a
square,
and
we've
got
lots
of
examples
of
that
across
the
city,
and
so
that's
my
that's
a
comment
here,
probably
rather
than
a
question,
but
the
actual
question
is:
is
the
courtyard
going
to
be
open
to
everybody
and
how
could
you
achieve
more
green
space
as
a
squares
rather
than
linear
pieces?
That
would
work
better.
Please
do
chiefly
please
and
he's
happy.
Yes,.
K
K
The
first
one
in
terms
of
whether
the
approach
we've
taken
of
longer
but
still
generous,
general
quite
wide
spaces.
I
think
the
way
in
which
you
you
perceive
and
use
a
space
is
as
much
about
the
edges
as
as
the
size
and
scale
of
it
and
the
city.
One
square
which
we've
got
within
the
development
will
be
very
different
to
the
sweet
street
linear
park,
which
is
obviously
part
of
a
much
bigger
piece
which
is
still
yet
to
come,
which
we'll
take
in
other
developments.
K
So
we
think
the
activity
will
happen
in
cities,
city
one
square
will
be
different
to
the
green
street
and
to
sweet
street
linear
park.
I
think
in
terms
of
the
size
of
it
and
whether
you
know
we
provide
another
park
square
or
another
sovereign
square.
I
think
our
approach
has
been
really
to
to.
I
mean,
is
to
serve
the
community
around
here,
both
in
holbeck
and
within
this
development,
but
you're
not
necessarily
going
to
get
the
same
use
that
you
might
have
right
in
the
core
of
the
city.
K
So,
for
instance,
park
square
they've
got
a
number
of
trends
and
uses
and
lots
of
people
going
through
that
space
to
get
from
one
side
of
the
city
to
the
other,
which
you
might
not
necessarily
have
here.
So
while
there's.
Obviously
a
lot
of
people
come
to
to
live
in
this
part
of
the
city.
K
We
think
the
approach
we've
taken
in
a
sort
of
a
series
of
linear
spaces
and
city
one
square
is
the
right
mix
and
what
we
didn't
want
to
create
is
another
big
open
space
which
actually
wouldn't
have
the
number
of
people
that
you
may
be
getting
in
the
new
city
park
or
in
sovereign
square
or
in
park
square.
R
But,
to
a
degree
just
to
add
to
that
these
are
the
indicative
master
plan.
These
are
minimum
dimensions
which
are
based
on
some
of
those
parameters
could
get
larger,
they
can
change
in
shape
and
they
and
the
landscaping
is
certainly
indicative
in
terms
of
how
how
that's
been
sketched
and
designed
today,
so
that
that
will
influence
the
shape
of
the
spaces
and
then
influence
the
usability
once
the
detailed
design
does
come
forward
as
well.
So
they're,
certainly
things
which
we
we
take
into
account
for
the
reserve
matters
process.
A
I
think
the
there
was
a
question
there.
Actually
members
who
are
on
the
site
visit
will
have
seen
how
ugly
their
electricity
station
was,
and
you
did
say
obviously,
quite
rightly
it's
in
the
report
and
tim
said
on
site
that
you,
your
first
desire,
is
to
remove
it,
but
your
second.
A
If
it
can't
be
done
then
to
a
landscaper,
but
it's
pretty
ugly,
I
mean
if
what
you
were
able
to
remove,
would
you
be
planning
to
turn
that
into
more
green
space
or,
as
as
paul
said,
build
some
more
on
on
that
side,
but
it
is
pretty
ugly,
as
anybody
who
was
on
the
side
visit
would
have
seen.
R
The
applicant
is
working
very
hard
with
other
departments
of
the
council
to
try
and
relocate
that
substation
and
looking
at
whether
a
land
opportunity
is
to
move
it
nearby,
so
that
certainly
something
they
clearly
don't
want
to
have
that
within
the
site.
You
know
that
does
them
no
no
favors
at
all.
In
their
respect,
there
is
a
building
as
an
alternative
within
the
parameters
proposed
within
that
site.
Yes,
if
it
was
to
relocate,
though.
C
Back
on
the
substation
again
it,
it
was
extremely
ugly
and
I
get
the
planting
if
it
cannot
be
moved,
but
would
you
do
anything
with
the
actual
structure
itself
to
make
it
a
bit
more
palatable?
C
S
So,
just
on
the
first
part
of
that
question,
if
the
substation
does
stain,
we
would
be
looking
to
refurbish
the
brickwork.
The
brute
work
itself
is
actually
quite
good
quality.
There
is
some
decent
modeling
at
the
top
of
the
substation
doors
and
louvers.
All
the
the
things
that
can
easily
be
replaced
would
be
replaced,
but
I
think,
as
we
mentioned
in
the
presentation,
we
would
be
looking
to
screen
that
substation
with
a
landscape
screen
we'd
be
looking
to
plants
inside
the
existing
substation
boundary.
S
A
Yeah,
a
counselor
grew
and
did
ask
if
it
could
be
green
space
and
not
a
building,
and
that
was
my
question
or
perhaps
I
hadn't
asked
it
quite
concisely,
as
caroline
has,
but
it's
probably
well
worth
addressing
that
at
this
point.
S
As
they're
currently
drawn
up,
the
parameter
plans
show
a
building
on
the
substation
sites,
but
they
are
parameter
plans.
This
is
an
outline
application,
so
there
is
detailed
design
to
be
done
at
the
next
stage,
so
that
doesn't
preclude
more
green
space
on
the
substation
site,
but
we
are
showing
a
building
on
that
site
at
presence.
H
Thanks
chair,
I
share
collee's
concern
about
the
green
spaces
being
basically
corridors,
and
I
I
also
have
some
concerns
that
would
they
be
actually
usable
because
they
could
just
turn
into
wind
tunnels,
so
would
people
be
able
to
comfortably
use
them
both
as
walkways
and
as
immunity
space?
H
I
mean
that's
number
one,
I
suppose,
but
then,
but
then
also
in
terms
of
the
uses
of
that
amenity
space.
It
is,
as
other
colleagues
have
rightly
pointed
out,
very
limited
in
terms
of
what
you
could
do
with
it.
I
mean
a
playing
field
would
be
preferable
really,
wouldn't
it
for
play
all
games
and
whatnot.
Thank
you.
I
I
think
in
terms
of
the
wind
we've
done
some
cfd
modelling,
so
that's
in
process
and
we're
looking
at
that
in
terms
of
the
comfort
levels
within
those
spaces
and
at
the
moment
we're
progressing
that
well,
there's
no
significant
levels
of
issues
with
comfort
along
that
green
street.
It's
very
well
protected
the
buildings
protect
it
from
the
prevailing
winds
of
the
green
street.
There's
no
issues
along
there
and
also
along
the
western
eastern
edge
of
the
the
linear
park
as
well.
H
Sorry,
I
was
just
gonna
say
as
well
in
terms
of
the
tall
building
14
40
stories.
I
think
I
think
it
is
42
yeah
14
so
so
like
in
terms
of
the
treatment
of
that
building.
H
I
As
I
say,
we've
done
the
cfd
analysis
and
it's
not
presenting
any
safety
issues
on
the
wind
modeling
at
the
moment,
based
on
the
illustrative
master
plan,
there's
obviously
a
few
screens
within
the
landscape
that
we'll
need
to
add
into
some
hot
spots
within
the
the
development
site,
but
in
the
in
terms
of
the
the
actual
form
and
the
mass.
At
the
moment
it
doesn't
present
any
wind
problems
in
that
area
of
the
site.
S
And
just
just
to
expand
on
that,
as
we
we
touched
on
the
in
the
presentation
that
the
massing
has
been
deliberately
kind
of
organized
to
step
up
from
the
west.
It's
the
it's
the
westerly
winds
that
are
the
the
prevailing
winds
and
they
those
lower
buildings.
They
really
do
screen
that
tall
building,
there's
not
actually
a
huge
amount
of
wind
impacts
directly
onto
that
building
or
effects
from
that
tall
building,
because
they
are
screened
by
the
lower
buildings
to
the
west.
E
Yes,
quite
a
lot
of
that's
been
covered,
but
thinking
back
to
the
previous
application
that
we
discussed,
would
you
allow
sufficient
space
for
a
nursery,
because
I
think,
with
that
number
of
people
they
might
well
find
the
nursery
extremely
valuable
on
site.
R
Yes
again
with
the
reserve
matters,
I
think
that's
something
which
could
certainly
come
forward
within
the
scope
of
this
outline
through
the
reserve
matters
and
subjects
but
which
building
block
comes
forward
where
that
demand
is
the
threshold
of
when
residential
tips
into
that.
But,
yes,
that
will
certainly
be
considered
going
forward.
A
I
see
no
more
questions.
Can
we?
Is
it
a
question
or
comment?
Okay,
you
cannot
first
comment
and
peter.
G
Thank
you,
I'm
getting
my
finger
up
first
today
and
my
comments
pulled
on
from
the
previous
one.
I'm
I'm
trying
to
do
my
sums
and
if
I've
worked
it
out
right
on
the
numbers
then
effectively,
this
is
as
big
as
one
of
the
villages
I
represent
out
in
the
outer
west.
This
could
be
the
entire
village
of
carvalho.
If
my
sons
are
right
and
they've
got
a
200
meter
by
200
meter
park
right
in
the
middle
that
is
incredibly
busy.
G
What
they
don't
have
is,
then
all
the
people
that
will
work
in
the
office
buildings
that
will
be
around
here.
That
will
be
additional
population.
On
top
of
that,
so
I
mean
the
village
of
carvalhe
manages
to
to
have
that
large
park
in
the
middle.
It
covers
two
or
three
nurseries.
I
think
two
primary
schools
and
and
all
of
the
rest
of
it
for
those
kind
of
communities
now,
unfortunately,
not
everywhere
in
the
city,
has
the
things
that
we
have
benefit
to
in
the
leafy
suburbs
in
the
outer
west,
but
through
planning.
G
My
aim
is
to
try
and
make
sure
that
everywhere
in
the
city
does
have
that,
regardless
of
whether
it's
in
beeston
in
in
birmingham
or
in
the
edge.
So
I
have
real
concerns
that
what
we're
creating
here
is
something
that's
a
bit
like
what
was
in
these
areas
that
we're
trying
to
get
rid
of
rather
than
what
what
it
possibly
could
be
and
therefore
I'm
a
bit
underwhelmed
really
with
the
scale,
and
I
I
think
that's
the
difficulty
of
just
seeing
this
size
were
it
to
come
through
as
four
separate
plots.
G
I
think
we'd
have
been
asking
for
a
lot
more
from
each
individual
plot.
That's
there
and
I
think
it
it
may
be
somewhat
hidden
away
and
the
other
comment,
no,
I
couldn't
go
on
the
site
visit
today.
Unfortunately,
so
I
apologize
for
that,
because
I'd
have
been
interested
too,
but
I
know
that
the
amount
of
green
space
there
isn't
too
different
to
what's
there
at
the
moment
when
it
next
to
the
side
of
a
car
park.
G
As
far
as
I
can
see
on
some
of
it,
and
probably
I
think
people
would
say
that
that's
not
enough
and
not
really
usable.
So
I
think
that's
my
thoughts
in
this
amount
of
area.
You
are
building
a
whole
new
village,
and
I
would
therefore
expect
and
hope
to
see
to
get
the
best
out
of
planning
everything
that
that
village
needs
come
through.
If
this
is
that
master
plan,
I'm
therefore
I'm
afraid
somewhat
underwhelmed.
With
this
compared
to
some
other
proposals,
we
may
have
seen
thanks.
F
Yeah
thanks
joe.
Yes,
I
was
going
to
make
very
similar
comments
to
to
council
carlo,
really,
perhaps
not
using
the
village
analogy,
but
it's
but
it's
it's.
F
F
As
they
say,
yes,
sir
yeah
underwhelming
is,
I
think,
my
overall
impression
to
me
looking
at
this-
and
I
appreciate
his
early
days
and
there's
some
there's
some
excellent
sort
of
build
up,
slides
and
content
in
this
presentation,
but
when
we
get
to
the
messing
and
the
forming
and
taking
chair,
that
is
on
the
outline.
But
you
look
at
this.
F
This
is
a
whole
new
community
or
indeed
a
villagers
as
peter
said,
but
what
this
looks
like
when
you're
looking
at
it.
This
is
trying
to
build
it's
trying
to
build
and
sort
of
slip
in
a
bit
of
a
city.
That's
existed
for
a
long
time.
Do
you
know
what
I
mean
if
it's
almost
if
this
would
have
been
here,
this
could
have
been
the
building
form,
the
structure,
the
mass
in
the
scale
on
the
side.
F
It
doesn't
feel
hugely
cohesive.
It
feels
like
you're
trying
to
get
away
with
adding
a
bit
of
the
city
center
on
that's
been
there
for
a
long
time,
and
if
you
walk
through
it,
you
perhaps
would
not
know
that
this
was
an
opportunity
to
master
plan,
an
incredibly
significant
city,
strategic
city
center
side.
Chair,
do
you
see
where
I'm
coming
from?
I
hope
that
makes
sense,
and
I
think
you
never
know
good
to
have
a
check
mid
rant,
but
I
think
I
think
that's
my
overall
impression.
F
I'm
concerned
the
the
the
green
space
is
just
is
navigation
routes.
It's
happenstance
the
linear
park
at
the
end
kind
of
looks
like
a
cop
out
folks,
I
have
to
say
as
to
where
you
want
to
put
green
space,
given
that
the
opportunity
is
to
significantly
master
plan
this,
given
this
opportunity
that
we
might
be
able
to
move
the
substation
that
this
has
got
an
awful
long
way
to
go
in
terms
of
design
massing
it
effectively.
F
You
might
want
to
say
it's
got
quite
a
lot
of
issues
regarding
the
entire
philosophy
of
what's
been
proposed.
The
underpinning
philosophy,
I
think,
is
wrong
to
an
extent
and
I
think
that's
real
concerns,
but
so
there
are
those
overall
issues,
but
then,
when
we
went
to
when
we
moved
to
detail
matters,
we
really
want
to
see
because
of
the
scale
because
of
the
sheer
number
of
units,
because
it
is
actually
a
new
community.
F
It
is
an
area
where
and
if
you
might
have
caught
the
earlier
debate
for
the
previous
we'd
really
want
to
see
it
attractive
to
a
whole
broadsword
of
the
population
not
just
hit
20
somethings
in
the
more
bedroom
flats
and
their
netflix
accounts
and
their
starbucks
cars
right,
because
apparently
that's
how
you're
able
to
afford
a
home
chair
now,
if
you
just
you
just
can't
see
your
netflix
but
anyway
more
seriously.
I
think
there's
a
lot
to
there's
a
lot
to
go.
F
Yet
I'm
keen
to
see
it
can't
see
the
outline
come
forward,
but
it's
got
to
come
forward.
Acknowledging
everything
we've
said
and
it's
got
to
be
policy
compliant.
You
know
we
it.
We
do
want
to
see
this
site
develop,
but
it's
certainly
not
at
any
cost,
and
I
think
that
has
probably
come
loud
and
clear
from
the
previous
items
from
colleagues
on
this
one
chair
thanks.
P
Right,
yes,
this,
I
know
put
it
this
way.
We
earlier
this
afternoon,
we've
looked
at
a
similar
development
of
a
large
space.
P
P
P
P
There
has
been
things
said
well
now
before
I
say
that
the
other
thing
is
about
the
treatment
of
the
of
the
development
itself
and
yes,
you've.
Given
us,
given
this
wonderful
presentation
and
impressions
of
what
you
what
you're
going
to
do,
but
because
of
its
size,
there
isn't
going
to
be
a
one.
Design
fits
all
here.
It's
going
to
have
to
be
when
you
come
along
with
the
actual
application
it's
going
to
have
to
respect
the
fact
that
it
is
big
and
therefore
have
some
different
aspects
of
design
with
the
buildings
individually.
P
I
hope,
even
though
I
won't
be
able
to
see
it
and
another
thing,
we've
had
lots
of
requests
for
different
facilities
and,
as
I
say,
bearing
in
in
mind
its
size
and
the
lack
of
anything
within
reasonable
distance
up
there.
Apart
from
coming
into
the
center,
it
is
going
to
have
to
have
the
sort
of
facilities
that
we
all
come
to
expect
to
make
life
reasonable.
P
We've
talked
about
facilities
for
children,
we've
talked
about
facilities
for
young
people,
but
something
this
size
is
also
going
to
have
some
old
people
there.
You
know
it
it's
not
going
to
be
everybody
under
under
40.
there's
going
to
be
going
to
be
a
good
cross-section
of
people,
and
I
do
think
that
we
have
to
think
in
terms
of
catering
for
people
who
can
no
longer
run
up
the
stairs
to
the
flats
and
all
this
other
thing
and
hang
over
the
balconies.
P
And
that
sort
of
thing
you
know
you've
got
you've
got
to
think
that
this
is
the
whole
of
life
is
going
to
be
in
this
place,
and
I
I
just
haven't,
got
the
feeling
that
that
that
depth
of
vision
has
has
been
applied
to
this.
We,
we
tend
to
think
always,
as
I
say,
about
young
people
who
are
living
the
life
and
going
outside
and
mixing
and
having
drinks
together
and
the
children
are
playing
together
outside.
P
That's
going
to
be
difficult
in
these
corridors
of
green,
because
once
again,
there's
been
plenty
of
requests
today
for
an
area
of
green
space,
not
just
little
green
corridors,
and
if
you
want
people
to
get
together,
because
I
I'm
afraid
I'm
one
of
the
doubters
on
this
panel
about
people's
ability
to
to
create
communities
without
a
really
good
shove.
You
know
they
they
need
something
to
make
them
do
it.
P
So
I
think
plenty
of
in-depth
thought
about
shape
and
size
of
green
spaces
and
the
cross
section
of
people
who
are
going
to
be
living
here,
because
they
ain't
all
going
to
be
kids.
H
Thanks
chair
just
like
to
echo
all
of
my
colleagues
really
I've,
I've
got,
I
think
I
think
we
sort
of
beating
around
the
bush
with
it
really
the
the
development
is
too
dense.
We
need
to
remove
some
of
the
some
of
the
buildings
in
order
to
free
up
some
green
space.
I
think
like,
rather
than
dancing
around
the
the
issue,
I
thought
I'd
just
come
straight
out
and
say
it,
but
otherwise
support
everything
that
colleagues
have
said.
Thank
you,
chair.
D
D
And
the
the
electricity
station
in
the
in
the
middle,
if
that
was
moved,
that
would
improve
the
situation,
but
lo
and
behold,
another
block
is
plumped
in
where
that
was
of
30
stories
high,
that
that's
ridiculous,
that
the
whole
concept
has
to
be
rethought
because
there's
no
way
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I'm
going
to
vote
for
this
with
that
number
of
people
living
there
on
that
on
that
plot,
with
such
little
green
space,
where
they
can
sit
out,
they
can
walk
around
it.
It's
just
ridiculous!
D
A
Yeah,
I
think
so
yeah
tell
us
thanks
liz.
Caroline,
please.
C
Well,
a
little
bit,
in
contrast
with
what's
been
said
so
far,
I
I
actually
will
go
along
with
the
ideology
and
principle
of
the
development.
I
I
think
it's
interesting
to
develop
a
community
in
a
space
like
this.
I
I
do
have
not
difficulty
with
the
scale
but
difficulty
imagining
the
scale
from
what's
in
front
of
us.
C
I
do
know
that
it's
huge
and
and
it
will
generate
a
lot
of
people
and
therefore
I
agree
with
colleagues
about
the
amount
of
green
space
and
the
shape
of
the
green
space
and
other
sorts
of
facilities
that
this
amount
of
people
will
need.
I
mean
your
comments
peter
about
carvely
reminded
me
also,
the
village
that
we
share
between
our
walls
of
rodley,
which
has
both
a
park
and
a
nature
reserve,
as
well
as
many
other
facilities.
C
This
I'm
not
saying
this
should
look
like
a
village
or
feel
like
a
village,
but
people
have
to
be
able
to
live
the
sort
of
lives
everybody
wants
to
live,
and
given
that
everybody
here
will
be
in
flats,
the
green
space
is
really
really
important
and
we
haven't
even
touched
on
balconies.
Yet
in
this.
In
this
quantity,
but
so
and
for
me
the
substation
is,
is
quite
an
issue.
I
I
sort
of
feel
an
inevitability
that
you
will
come
back
and
say
you
can't
move
the
substation
because
it's
not
affordable.
C
A
O
I've
got
you.
I
agree
with
very
much
what
everybody
else
has
said.
I
mean
it's
two,
it's
two
thousand
there
outsole's
there
generally
peter
says
it's
about
same
size
as
as
fastly
like
two
polling
districts.
In
most
of
these
worlds,
you
know
probably
a
fifth
to
the
sixth
of
a
actual
council
ward
and
there's
hardly
any
facilities
there
at
all.
O
In
in
regards
of
green
space,
I
mean
I
would
have
all
the
minded
if
something
hadn't
been
said,
that
the
would
try
to
improve
access
to
to
obec
mall
or
to
the
piece
of
greenland,
where
the
oak
sport
center
used
to
be
a
bottom,
a
beast
in
ill,
but
there's
nothing
about
there
because
you
can
get
through
that
on
paths.
O
But
the
fact
is
is:
is
it's
it's
too
much.
There's
too
much
development
there
and
these
two
and
we're
not
talking
about
putting
too
many
people
into
smaller
space
without
any
facilities
and
it's
not
on
and
all
you're
doing
is
you're
doing
what
houston
apple,
we're
building
slums,
we're
not
building
places
for
people
to
live.
N
N
But
most
people
in
in
carpet
have
got
backyards
and
they've
got
a
lot
of
green
space
outside
of
cable
fields
to
walk
in
and
as
council
groups
as
we
haven't
talked
about
balconies.
But
you
are
putting
people
up
42
stories
and
then
not
giving
them
a
green
space.
So
you've
got
to
understand
that
they
won't
want
to
stay
42
stories,
I'm
not
suggesting
that
you're
putting
the
children
up
there
in
42
stories,
but
you
know
you're
going
to
put
a
reasonable
height
with
the
three
bedrooms
which
are
going
to
be
the
family
accommodation.
N
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
get
into
housing
mix,
because
the
report
says
you're
going
to
bring
that
forward
to
later
date
and
we
haven't
got
many
hours
to
go
through
the
housing
mix.
But,
as
I
say,
I'm
sure
that
you're
watching
on
youtube-
and
you
saw
the
previous
debate-
if
not
you
could
watch
it
back,
but
the
green
space.
I
think
you're
just
gonna-
have
to
look
at
something
I
think
either
removing
that
block.
N
But
you
can't
do
that
because
you've
got
building
constraints,
but
I
just
think
you're
going
up
so
high
with
nothing,
because
you
won't
put
a
balcony
at
42
stories.
I
don't
think
I
could
do
a
balcony
42
stories
and
you
need
to
look
at
some
of
our
estates
that
have
got
high
rise
on,
where
they're
only
nine
stories
and
how
much
space
we
put
around
them
when
the
council
built
them,
which
is
a
long
time
ago,
but
they
did
put
a
lot
of
space.
N
It
sometimes
gives
us
a
lot
of
problems
with
that
space,
but
but
it's
there
and
you've
got
the
ability
to
you
need
the
ability
to
put
the
space
there
and
you've
got
to
manage
it
so
that
it
doesn't
become
some
of
the
problems
that
we
have.
But
it's
got
to
be
there.
Otherwise,
you'll
get
a
community
that
are
very
unhappy.
E
Yes,
I
agree
with
just
about
everything.
That's
been
said:
we
need
green
space.
We
really
do
enough
that
a
whole
community
can
do
things
in
my
local
park.
We
have
an
exercise
trail,
we
have
playground,
we
have
a
pavilion
with
a
cafe
in
it
and
an
awning
outside
which
is
a
real
feature.
We
have
summer
band
concerts,
we
have
festivals,
we
have
a
dog
show.
I
know
this
well,
I'm
involved
in
organizing
quite
a
lot
of
them
and
we
have
tennis
courts.
E
We
have
all
sorts
of
things
and
I
would
like
to
see
for
a
community
this
size.
We
really
need
to
think
that
way,
and
that
can't
happen
in
these
linear
walkways,
although
in
the
pictures
they
look
attractive.
Yes
and
that's
nice-
you
don't
just
want
paved
over
between
the
different
buildings,
but
we
need
that
sort
of
space
for
people
to
actually
enjoy
themselves.
E
A
A
A
We
haven't
really,
but
we
we
have
basically
I'll
al-
has
raised
the
points
about
that
in
our
you
know,
comments.
So
probably
we
need
more
information
on
that
because
it
has
to
be
connected
to
the
city
center.
Hasn't
it
okay,
subject
to
confirmation
of
details.
Do
members
support
the
emerging
approach
to
sustainable
development?
A
I
C
Rather
than
just
a
flat
nerve
to
all
these,
I
mean
I
think
we
we
buy
into
the
idea
to
a
degree.
It
just
needs
to
go
further.
I
mean
the
green
space
as
it
is
shown.
Developed
is
very
nice.
Just
isn't
enough
of
it,
and
rather
than
just
saying
no
to
everything,
perhaps
we
ought
to
just
give
them
a
bit
of
a
clue
as
to
what
we,
what
we
feel
would
make
it
a
yes.
A
I
mean
I'm
sure
we
we
are
happy
to
see
this
side
come
forward,
it's
been
empty
for
a
long
time.
It's
had
several
planet
provisions
and
nothing
has
been
built
there.
I
think,
as
andrew
said
earlier
on,
he
was
planning
offers
on
one
of
them.
Two
of
the
sites
were
talking
about
casino,
on
site
one
day
that
we
we
agreed,
but
it's
good
to
see
it
come
forward,
but
probably
a
lot
of
hard
work
for
applicants
and
officers
to
before
it
comes
back
here.
A
Do
that?
Okay,
thank
you
to
to
andrew
and
the
team
for
bringing
that
forward,
and
I
think
I
wish
you
good
afternoon
because
that's
our
final
item.
The
next
meeting
is,
I
believe,
the
24th
of
march,
so
safe
journey
home,
look
forward
to
seeing.