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A
Start
the
meeting
can
I
welcome
everyone
to
this
meeting
of
north
and
east
plant
panel?
My
name
is
javed
actor
local
councillor
for
london
and
woodhouse,
and
I
will
be
chairing
today's
meeting.
A
A
The
aim
of
the
panel
is
to
hear
all
the
relevant
informations
from
applicants.
Members
of
the
public
and
council
offices
to
help
members
of
the
panel
make
their
decision.
Could
I
now
invite
members
and
officers
to
introduce
themselves
and
mute
your
microphone
once
you
have
introduced
yourself
if
we
could
start
from
the
left
david.
B
F
A
H
A
Right
good
afternoon,
everyone
once
again
now
before
I
start
the
meeting,
I
think
it's
important
to
bring
it
to
your
attention.
We've
only
got
one
item
on
the
agenda
now
I
wanted
this
to
be
discussed,
even
though
it
was
there
was
only
one,
but
I
did
said
at
that
time
that
I
will
put
this
to
the
members
in
future.
A
If
there's
only
one
item,
are
you
happy
with
that,
or
should
we
have
more
than
one
item
for
the
plant
meeting,
so
I
just
I'll
take
one
minute
of
your
time
if
you
agree
with
it
in
the
future
as
well,
if
there's
only
one
plan,
or
should
we
wait
for
for
a
following
month,
if
you
can
understand
rather
than
having
a
meeting
so
I'll
I'll
put
you
as
members
and
then
obviously
make
I'll
be
it'll
be
interesting
to
hear
from
your
points
of
view.
H
Yes,
I
think
I'm
happy
to
trust
your
judgment.
Chair,
there's,
there's
been
occasions
where
we've
come
for
one
item
that
clearly
was
going
to
take
five
or
ten
minutes,
and
that
seems
like
a
bit
of
a
waste
of
everybody's
time.
But
there
are
other
occasions
when
actually
it's
an
item
that
it's
here
for
a
reason
it
needs
discussing-
and
I
think
it's
better
to
do
this
than
then
try
and
pack
six
things
in
and
then
curtail
debates
down
the
line
and
keep
things
moving.
A
D
Thank
you
chair
under
gender
item
number
one.
There
are
no
appeals
against
the
refusal.
Inspection
of
documents
agenda
item
two:
there
are
no
items
which
require
the
exclusion
of
the
press
or
the
public
agenda
item
three.
There
are
no
late
items
of
business
agenda
item
four.
Could
I
ask
members
to
declare
any
interests.
D
A
Thank
you
and
also
welcome
councilor
eileen
taylor
on
this
plan
as
well
item
six
minutes
of
the
previous
meeting
held
on
the
30th
of
june
2022
members
accept
these
minutes
are
true
and
correct
record.
B
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
chair.
It's
an
application
for
eight
houses
on
the
site
of
a
former
co-op
at
car
park,
co-op
car
park
off
our
coal
mountain
in
roundtay.
B
Just
before
we
go
into
the
report,
there
are
a
few
corrections
and
updates
to
the
report
and
I'll
deal
with
those.
Now,
if
I
may,
there
are
some
sort
of
minor
clarifications
and
to
the
report
first
off
I'll,
just
list
them
off,
but
first
one
is
paragraph
six
page
twenty
one.
It
should
read
round
hey
conservation
area.
That
should
be
the
reference
rather
than
the
gledhowe
valley
conservation
area.
B
Paragraph
11
page
22
talks
about
additional
tree
planting
deals
with
the
issues
of
tree
loss
and
tree
planting
there.
It
says
that
there
are
nine
additional
new
trees
or
additional
trees
to
be
planted
in
actuality.
B
There
are
actually
131
new
trees,
but
I'll
explain
that
a
little
bit,
because
it's
it's
it's
not
quite
as
dramatic
as
it
sounds.
There
are
31
extra
heavy
standard
trees.
Those
are
trees
which
are
generally
around
about
four
to
four
and
a
half
meters
in
height
when
planted
and
they're,
either
planted
in
groups
or
individually
around
the
site,
so
that
that
is
a
substantial
bit
of
planting
31
new
trees.
B
But
there
is
also
a
strip
of
planting
proposed
behind
the
behind
the
houses,
that's
shown
on
the
landscaping
plan.
When
we
get
to
the
landscaping
plan,
I
can
highlight
that
for
you
and
there
are
a
hundred
trees
to
be
planted
within
there.
Now
it's
anticipated
that
there'll
be
a
rate
of
attrition
of
those
trees
and
the
strongest
ones
will
you
know
flourish,
but
there
will
be.
It
won't
be
that
100
trees
will
grow
in
that
location.
B
There
will
be
some
attrition
and
it'll
be
a
far
lesser
number
of
trees
that
will
grow,
but
I'll
highlight
that
strip
of
planting.
When,
when
we
come
to
it
and
again,
paragraph
73
and
page
32
talks
about
nine
trees
and
it
should
be
a
reference
to
a
larger
number.
B
Since
the
report
was
written,
we've
received
three
further
representations
I'll.
Just
very
briefly
summarize.
The
points
that
have
been
raised-
one
representation-
is
critical
of
the
report
because
at
times
it
refers
to
oakwood
oakwood
mountains,
and
it
should
be
oak
well
mount
so
apologies
for
that
they
make
a
representation
that
eight
houses
is
too
many
for
the
site.
B
B
I've
also
received
representation
which
has
just
come
onto
the
system
this
morning
and
I'll
just
briefly
go
go
through
this.
It
points
out
that
in
the
sight
and
surroundings,
it's
a
critique
of
the
report
in
in
the
main
it
points
out
in
this
writing
site
and
surroundings.
That
no
mentions
made
of
the
fact
that
plot
six
was
a
plot
for
the
sixth
house
and
sold
by
the
developed
safeway.
B
I
don't
fully
understand
that
comment,
but
this
has
been
submitted
by
the
speaker.
So
if
members
have
a
question,
they
can
ask
speaker
that
this
isn't
the
objective.
The
application
now
note
that
the
site
access
is
over
is
only
overgrown
because
of
the
neglect
of
the
the
present
owners
that
they
raise
a
query
in
terms
of
the
flood
risk
management
response
of
no
objection,
because
that
was
submitted
in
november
2021.
B
B
They
go
on
to
refute
the
planning
officers
statements
in
the
report
that
the
site
is
tucked
away.
They
point
out
that
you
can
see
it
from
residential
properties
that
surround
the
site
commercial
properties
on
around
some
of
the
commercial
properties
in
the
car
park
on
round
hay
road,
the
home
bargains
car
park,
and
they
say
that
a
10.4
meter,
high
dwelling
is
a
dominant
dwelling.
So
they
disagree
with
the
officer's
conclusion
that
it's
it's
not
a
problem.
It's
not
a
dominant
dwelling.
B
They
ask
that
it
should
plan's
panel
approve
this
application
that
commuted
some
be
posed
on
the
developer
to
cover
future
repair
costs
and
maintenance
of
systems
such
as
the
existing
drainage,
which
will
be
affected
by
such
as
the
access
road.
If
adopted
and
I'll
come
on
to
that
when
we
go
through
the
slides
I'll
just
talk
through
that
issue,
because
it's
an
important
issue
for
local
residents.
B
They
question
that
this
plan
planning
application.
We
did
not
consult
with
our
nature
conservation
officer.
They
point
out
on
the
previous
application
for
49
apartments,
which
is
referenced
in
the
report,
which
was
refused.
We
did
consult
with
a
nature
conservation
officer
and
they
questioned
why
we
haven't
done
that
this
time
and
come
to
the
conclusion
that
we
think
there
will
be
a
biodiversity
benefit.
There
is
a
very
simple
explanation
for
that
and
I
think,
looking
at
the
the
timings
of
it.
B
Unfortunately,
on
that
we
we
relied
on
one
nature
conservation
officer
from
the
time
this
application
was
submitted,
we
only
had
one
nature
conservation
officer
and
unfortunately,
that
officer
was
off
for
an
elongated
period
of
sick
leave,
they've
since
returned
to
the
office,
but
it
simply
didn't
consult
with
them,
because
we
didn't
have
someone
to
consult
with.
So
that's
the
explanation
behind
that.
B
They
consider
that
a
wider
tree
survey
is
essential
and
should
be
carried.
It
should
have
been
carried
out
to
have
a
look
at
neighboring
trees.
B
They
point
out
that
the
the
gardens
of
the
proposed
dwellings
do
slope
up
in
places
and
they
say
they'll
be
unusual
and
use
usable.
Sorry.
Obviously,
officers
come
to
a
different
view.
They
pick
up
on
the
point
of
the
japanese
knotweed
and
say
that
there
is
a
set
legal
process
which
people
need
to
go
to
to.
B
B
There
is
concerns
about
the
access
road
and
I'll
come
on
to
this
and
the
amount
of
land
that
is
going
to
be
excavated
to
create
that
road
and
how
that
is
going
to
be
dealt
with,
and
they
raise
a
risk.
The
concern
that
they've
got
drainage,
which
runs
underneath
the
access
road
and
the
implications
that
that
will
have
about
that
and
then
just
the
general
point
about
the
noise
and
disturbance.
B
B
So
here
we
have
a
an
aerial
shot
of
of
the
site.
This
is
taken
from
the
south,
so
we're
looking
from
south
to
north
I'll
identify
the
extent
of
the
site
starting
off
with
the
the
access
road.
The
proposed
access
comes
through
here
and
the
site
incorporates
that
area
of
vacant
car
park
and
the
bank
of
trees,
which
runs
to
the
rear
of
it.
B
So
it's
roughly
that
line
there,
so
you've
got
the
home
bargains
store
and
car
park
in
here
then
this
is
the
vacant
bitter
car
park,
which
is
the
main
body
of
the
application
site.
Then
you've
got
these
trees,
which
are
also
within
the
application
site
there,
and
the
proposed
access
comes
between
number
29
and
number
31
oak
wall
mount
there.
B
There
is
the
home
bargains
store,
is
actually
accessed
off
round
hay
road
or
off
fitsworld
drive
up
here
through
there
and
in
there,
so
that
access
will
remain
and
will
be
unaffected
by
the
proposal
and,
as
you
can
see,
it's
very
close
to
round
hey
road
and
all
the
shops
and
facilities
on
round
day
road
and
then
it's
surrounded
by
the
wider
residential
area
of
oakwood
and
around
home.
B
Right,
we've
now
got
a
series
of
photos
just
at
the
just
at
the
site.
B
This
is
just
another
view
of
that
of
that
access
should
point
out.
There
are
a
couple
of
tpo
trees
protected
trees
here,
and
these
are
the
two
trees
that
would
be
removed
as
part
of
the
proposal.
So
there's
an
ash
and
a
sycamore
and
you'll
see
on
the
report
that
the
landscape
officer
enlightens
the
condition
of
those
trees
to
help
those
trees,
isn't
raising
objection
to
the
removal
of
of
those
of
those
trees.
B
Next
slide,
please
again,
this
is
looking
across
the
front
of
the
access
towards
number
29.
You
see
the
trees,
the
trees
there
it's
difficult
to
distinguish
chunks
because
they
are
covered
in
covered
in
ivy.
B
And
this
is
a
view
of
a
sick
at
the
base
of
a
sycamore
tree,
the
trunk
of
sycamore
tree,
which
is
actually
in
the
front
garden
of
number
29
oak
wall
mount.
So
this
is,
to
the
left
hand,
side
of
the
axis
this
tree
is
it's
proposed,
will
remain
okay.
Next
slightly
is
this,
and
this
is
now
we're
looking
from
the
from
the
north
of
the
site,
from
glendale
bert
howe
rise
to
junk
funds,
junction
from
fitzroy
drive,
and
you
can
see
there
the
back
of
some
residential
properties.
B
B
You've
got
home
bargains
building,
on
the
left
hand,
side,
doctor
surgery,
gp
surgery
on
the
right,
there's
the
home
bargains
car
park
and,
in
the
background,
you'll
see
the
fence
and
the
bank
of
trees
and
the
lights,
and
they
form
part
of
the
application
site
as
it
stands
at
the
current
time
and
now
we're
in
the
application
site
itself
we're
looking
from
north
to
south
on
this
slide.
So
when
we
get
to
it,
it'll
be
plot,
seven
and
eight.
This
is
round
about
the
site
of
plot
seven
and
eight.
B
B
B
Again,
more
internal
views
of
the
site,
this
one
actually
shows
where
the
proposed
access
point.
So
the
access
point
would
come
in
at
this
point
here
and
it
is
important
to
note,
unlike
some
of
the
representations
I
read
out
there
about
the
concerns
of
residents
that
access
road
you
can
probably
just
make
out
from
that
that
photo
is
the
the
land
is
actually
at
a
higher
level
than
the
car
parks
that
exists
at
the
moment.
B
So
there
will
be
need
to
be
quite
a
bit
of
excavation
to
create
a
suitable
road
of
suitable
gradient
to
get
into
the
site,
and
that's
where
some
of
the
concerns
come
from
local
residents
about
services
that
run
under
that
road
and
the
implication
that
that
would
have
for
those
services
now
normally
in
the
world
of
planning.
We
wouldn't
normally
get
involved
in
that
because
it's
dealt
with
in
other
ways
through
the
adoption
of
the
road
and
is
proposed
to
adopt
the
the
internal
road
layout.
B
The
section
78
sorry
section,
38
agreement
would
normally
deal
with
the
technicalities
of
how
existing
services
are
arranged
just
to
protect
those
services
to
make
sure
that
no
one's
interests
are
actually
prejudiced.
So
that
would
be
the
normal
course
of
events
as
how
these
matters
would
be
dealt
with,
and
ordinarily
planning
wouldn't
get
involved
in
that
simply
because
there
is
a
process
to
go
through.
B
Okay
next
slide,
please-
and
here
we're
looking
across
this-
is
taken
from
it
would
be
the
south
west
corner
of
the
site
looking
out
across
it's
looking
out
across.
In
effect,
where
plots
one
and
two
would
be
sighted,
and
you
can
see
how
the
land
rises
at
the
back
there
and
you
see
the
very
mature
trees
at
the
back
and
there's
more
sort
of
scrub
land
there
at
front
there.
B
I
should
say
the
whole
of
this
application
site
is
actually
located
within
the
designated
identified
town
town
center,
and
I
did
talk
mentioned
earlier
that
we've
got
the
conservation
area
name
wrong.
The
conservation
area
boundary
is
actually
over
here
beyond
the
fence,
so
none
of
the
site
actually
falls
within
the
the
conservation
area.
B
Right
so
this
is
this:
is
the
proposed
layout,
so
there's
opal
mount
and
the
residential
existing
residential
properties
of
opal
mount
you've
got
fitzroy
drive
up
here
to
the
west,
so
the
proposed
access
off
opal
amounts
they're.
The
group
of
trees
that
are
referred
to
there
are
three
trees
there.
So
the
two
trees
on
the
applicant's
application
side
come
out.
That's
the
sycamore
and
the
ash
tree,
so
it
runs
between
number
29
and
number
31.
B
B
Apart
from
seven
and
eight,
we
look
out
down
the
access
road
there
and
then
the
rear
look
out
across
towards
the
rising
land
and
and
the
woodland
it's
difficult
to
make
out
on
this
slide,
but
we'll
probably
pick
it
up
with
the
landscaping
slide
later
on.
But
each
of
these
properties
has
quite
extensive
gardens
that
stretch
well
up
into
the
woodland
right
onto
the
boundary
of
the
properties
to
the
rear.
Here.
B
B
Arguably
that's
two
and
a
half
story
building
in
terms
of
the
layout
the
ground
floor,
each
comprises
kitchen
and
eating
areas.
When
you
get
onto
the
first
floor
plot,
one
has
a
lounge
at
the
back
there
with
with
a
juliet
style
balcony,
which
you
can
see
there
and
that
just
that
will
fade
out
towards
our
back
garden.
But
they've
got
a
lounge
there.
B
Then
they've
got
a
home
office
and
one
bedroom,
whereas
plot
two
has
a
bigger
bedroom
and
this
sort
of
layout
is
replicated
through
the
site
and
plot
two
has
again
a
first
four
floor
land.
So
all
the
plots
will
have
eating
and
kitchen
facilities
are
ground
floor
and
then
first
floor.
It's
a
mixture
of
a
bedroom
and
habitable
accommodations
such
as
the
lounge
as
it
were,
and
then
on
the
second
floor
into
the
roof
space.
We've
got
a
couple
more
bedrooms,
so
all
of
the
properties
are
three
bedroom
properties.
I
B
Slide
please,
this
is
plots
three
and
four,
so
you
see
it's
more
of
the
same.
What
I'll
point
out
on
here
when
you
start
looking
at
some
of
the
architectural
detailing,
it
is
very
traditional
that
ground
floor
is
where
the
artificial
stone
is
and
then
you've
got
render,
above
with
some
sort
of
timber
boarding
detailing
going
on
there.
B
So
in
many
ways
you
know
it's
it's
it's
quite
round
a
ish,
I
would
say
in
in
terms
of
their
architectural
style
that
has
picked
up
quite
a
few
of
the
architectural
details
from
from
the
wider
area
excited,
please
listen,
and
this
will
be
four
and
five
and
then,
if
we
go
on
to
the
next
one,
please-
and
this
is
seven
and
eight,
which
are
at
the
bottom
of
the
of
the
road
you'll
see
each
on
each
pair.
One
of
the
pair
has
a
garage.
They
also
have
two
surface
car
parking
spaces.
B
So
one
pair
one
of
the
pairs
has
a
garage
and
two
surface
car
parking
spaces.
The
other
ones
have
two
surface
parking
spaces.
So
all
all
of
these
properties
have
at
least
two
car
parking
spaces,
and
there
are
four
visitors
spaces
also
provided
for
which
I'll
pick
up
when
get
onto
the
landscaping
plan
cutting
excited,
please
list
and
as
if
by
magic.
Here's
the
landscaping
plan.
B
B
To
accentuate,
I
suppose,
or
emphasize,
or
complement
the
the
mature
trees
at
the
back,
which
are
retained,
the
large
trees
at
the
back,
which
are
retained,
and
here
you
can
see
the
the
gardens
are
more
closely
defined.
So
if
you
look
at
plot
two,
you
see
that
the
garden
stretches
into
back
there
same
with
plot
three
plot.
B
One
has
that
wider
area
plot
four
plot,
five
and
plot
six
all
stretch
linear
gardens
stretching
into
the
back
then
plot
seven
has
a
wider
garden
in
there
and
plot
eight
has
a
more
narrow,
linear
garden
which
stretches
up
there.
So
you
can
see
a
lot
of
the
garden
is
actually
dominated
by
the
retained
trees.
So
you
do
have
this
mixture
of
a
little
bit
of
open
space,
but
then
the
retained,
trees
and
we'll
see
this
later
on
you'll
see
how
this
the
slope
rises
up
as
well.
B
The
back
of
the
out
the
back
of
the
properties
in
terms
of
the
home
guard
home
bargains,
car
park,
boundary
treatment,
there'll,
be
a
fence,
but
there's
also
going
to
be
apart
from
the
trees,
a
hedge
line
introduced
along
there
just
to
soften
the
the
the
visual
impact
of
that,
and
that's
where
the
visitor
car
parking
is
located,
see
three
spaces
there
and
there's
a
space
there
as
well,
and
then
those
sites
are
just
examples
of
the
the
wild
planting
that
will
take
place
in
amongst
the
woodland
area
supplement
that
okay
next
slide.
B
Please-
and
this
is
just
a
slide
really,
but
just
to
demonstrate
that
larger
vehicles
could
get
in
for
servicing
and
delivery
purposes.
That's
been
checked
out.
I
suspect
the
next
slide
as
well
shows
very
similar
yeah.
B
I
would
just
point
out:
you
see
those
little
dots.
Sorry,
I'm
a
little
bit
colorblind.
So
they
look
green
or
brown
to
me.
So
those
dots
they
indicate
the
electric.
Each
property
has
an
electric
vehicle
charging
point
and
they
indicate
that
okay,
next
cyclist.
B
Yeah,
I
think
we've
probably
covered
them
as
that.
So
next
slide
please
right
yeah.
This
is
the
point
about
the
gardens
and
the
slope
of
the
land.
Now
this
is
the
most
recent
plan
we
have,
but
it
doesn't
actually
accurately
reflect
the
layout
plan,
that's
currently
before
us,
but
it's
still
a
useful
slide
to
have.
This
actually
shows
nine
properties
on
the
site
and
we
did
negotiate
down
from
nine
to
eight
properties,
but
you'll
see
at
various
points
through
plot
a
plot
c.
B
B
So
what
they're
proposing
to
do
is
excavate
that
area
out
to
create
a
flat
area,
then
there
would
be,
and
then
that
would
remain,
as
is
at
the
present
time,
and
that
would
have
the
benefit
of
protecting
the
tree
or
it's
except
for
not
disturbing
them.
But
it
does
mean
that's
the
only
flat
area
of
the
garden
and
then
there'd
be
steps
that
would
lead
up
into
the
wooded
area
at
the
back
of
the
property.
B
B
B
When
you
move
on
to
the
second
plot
that
we're
looking
at
which,
in
effect
in
terms
of
our
current
scheme
before
us,
is
plots
three
and
four
you
see,
there's
no
actual
retaining
structure.
There,
there's
only
a
very
minor
alteration
to
to
the
levels
in
that
area
there
and
they
will
get
around
about
nine
and
a
half
meters
or
so
before
the
land
starts
to
rise,
and
then
here
which,
for
the
purposes
which
is
here
it's
a
cross
section
through
there.
B
That's
for
our
purposes
plots
five
and
six
again,
you
can
see
that
dark
line
that
bit
there
is
going
to
be
removed
and
there
will
be
a
flat
area
there
at
the
back
of
plots
five
and
six,
and
that's
when
you
look
at
the
the
distance
of
that.
That's
just
under
well
be
in
the
area
of
nine
meters
there
and
a
retaining
wall
of
just
over
two
meters
about
two
point:
three
meters
that
retaining
wall
so
still
quite
a
substantial
retaining
wall.
B
B
But
in
terms
of
retaining
walls,
there's
only
a
very
little
bit
of
the
slope
which
is
going
to
come
out.
It's
only
a
retaining
wall
of
just
over
a
meter
at
all
and
then
which
probably
about
that
point
there,
and
then
you
rise
up
into
the
woodland.
So
in
effect,
that's
one
of
the
unusual
features
of
this
scheme
is
that
the
gardens
do
incorporate
the
woodland
and
it's
going
to
be
a
particular
sort
of
person.
B
I
guess
who
wants
to
have
that
sort
of
wooded
area
to
the
to
the
rear
of
their
their
their
rear
of
their
property.
But
it's
a
it's
a
feature
of
the
development
and
people
will
know
what's
what
they're
buying
into
and
it
has
been
carefully
designed
so
that
the
creation
of
the
flat
areas
doesn't
encroach
on
the
root
protection
areas
of
of
the
trees
themselves.
B
So
right,
oh
we've
only
got
part
of
the
side.
I
think
this
is
probably
the
last
slide,
but
it's
it's
there
really
just
to
demonstrate
just
the
landscaping
scheme
so
now
that
we
put
it
all
to
together
in
terms
of
talking
it
talking
it
through.
This
is
hopefully
that
slide
makes
a
a
little
bit
more
sense.
Can
I
just
double
check?
Is
that
the
last
slide
yeah?
B
So
obviously
it's
it
is
a
difficult
site
to
to
deal
with.
It
doesn't
have
any
particular
sensitive
sensitivities
in
terms
of
policy
designation,
there's
nothing
which
counts
against
principle
in
the
development,
but
there
are
issues
with
this
site.
The
members
will
need
to
consider
relationship
to
existing
residential
properties,
for
example
the
issue
with
the
trees
issues
around
about
the
future
amenities
of
the
occupiers.
B
I
should
say
it's
all
out:
it's
set
out
in
the
report
that,
in
terms
of
sizes
of
rooms,
it
meets
our
standards
in
terms
of
degrees,
of
separation
to
existing
residential
properties.
It's
well
in
excess
of
ours.
Our
standards
in
terms
of
matters
such
as
parking
again,
it
makes
our
guidelines,
but
this
site
does
have
some
interesting
and
challenging
aspects
to
it.
B
One
of
the
aspects
is
the
creation
of
the
access
road,
which
goes
between
two
properties.
Now
some
matters
for
for
members
to
consider,
I
would
say
in
terms
of
the
concerns
of
local
residents-
and
these
are
perfectly
understandable-
concerns
about
their
drainage
system,
for
example,
that
would
be
dealt
with
by
other
ways,
but
remember
those
residents
do
have
a
concern
about
the
impact
it
will
have.
A
Thank
you
david.
We
have
a
speaker
who
objects
to
the
application.
Could
I
invite
them
to
come
onto
the
top
table?
Please.
J
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
neighbors
in
the
oakwells
who
have
made
objective
comments
to
this
proposal.
There's
not
no
time
really
to
talk
about
our
concerns.
Flood
risk
management,
the
adoption
about
the
access
road
protection
of
existing
drains
and
structures
during
constructions
and
highways
matters.
J
J
The
first
is
the
plumbing
authority's
reason
for
the
rejection
of
the
previous
previous
application
on
this
site
to
build
a
block
of
retirement
living
apartments.
I
can
list
these
reasons
now
and
enlarge
on
them.
If
you
wish
all
those
reasons
apply
to
the
current
application,
they
are
poor
design
and
over
development
of
the
site,
two
impact
on
trees,
three
lack
of
affordable
housing
provision-
although
I
know
this
is
not
a
reason
for
refusal,
it
is
still
true.
J
Four.
The
lack
of
green
space
provision.
The
impermeable
area
has
increased
since
the
earlier
designs
and
the
gardens
will
slope
very
steeply
five
impact
on
the
neighbours
amenity
by
way
of
dominance
at
10.4
metres.
The
proposed
railings
are
much
higher
than
the
neighbouring
houses
around
them
and
will
be
overbearing,
particularly
to
number
29
6.,
the
poor
level
of
amenity
afforded
to
future
occupants.
J
Again,
this
is
described
in
the
civic
trip
by
the
civic
trust
with
regard
to
the
small
kitchen
areas
in
four
of
the
houses,
the
kitchens
are
barely
twice
as
large
as
the
walk-in
wardrobes
immunity
includes
a
lack
of
sufficient
outdoor
private
immunity
space.
The
gardens
are
largely
inaccessible.
Due
to
the
acute
angle
of
the
embankment.
J
Seven
failures
to
comply
with
climate
change
policies,
not
just
to
the
lack
of
attacker
potential
for
solar
panels,
was
identified
by
the
civic
trust.
The
designs
of
the
roosevelt
drawings
reduces
the
potential
for
solar
collection
areas
with
their
dormers
and
and
shape.
J
J
She
asked
what
alternatives
have
been
considered.
We
do
not
know
two
under
biodiversity.
She
says
the
nature
conservation
officer
must
be
involved.
Please
refer
to
comments
by
the
nature
conservation
officer.
What
comments
there
is
nothing
on
the
portal
from
the
previous
application.
The
nature
conservation
officer
conditioned
that
boxes,
special,
backed
lighting
and
bird
boxes.
A
Thank
you,
mr
bickley.
Any
questions
for
for
mr
brickley,
yes,
gunslam.
H
Thank
you
chair
and
attack,
and
I,
if
I
commend
you
on
your
timing
as
well,
that
was
exceptional,
but
thank
you
for
your
comments,
which
were
very
helpful.
My
question
really
is:
what
would
you
find
acceptable
on
the
site.
J
The
houses
are
smaller
and
more
in
keeping
with
the
area
access.
That's
suitable
for
that.
There's
not
been
no
ex
exploration
whatsoever
of
the
potential,
because
it's
is
it
like
that:
how
rise
the
road
to
the
side
of
the
home
bargains,
but
it
goes
past
there
there's
been
no
no
consideration
of
using
that
for
access,
but
instead
this
very
narrow
access
road
goes
as
opposed
to
this.
J
Between
29
and
31
opel
mounts
with
masses
of
earth
movement
it'd,
be
it's
a
tight
turning
radius
already
for
fire
tenders
and
refused
vehicles.
Yet
the
dead
hair
rise
is
clearly
suitable
for
articulated
trucks,
bringing
deliveries
into
the
supermarkets.
So
the
issue
is
like:
why
has
this
this
not
been
considered?
I
mean
the
plans,
the
the
planning
policy
officer
actually
actually
questioned
why
about
alternatives?
J
A
J
None
none
whatsoever,
we've
been
consistently
ignored.
We
tried
to
make
representations
about
the
the
the
drains.
There
was
no
initial
consultation
and
he
learned
that
the
first
we
heard
about
it
was
was
was
actually
it
was
actually
before
for
postings.
On
the
lamppost
that
came
later,
it
was
just
a
neighbor
having
to
spot
people
in
yellowjackets
on
the
on
this
on
the
site.
J
So
we
tried
to
make
we've
made
representations
to
through
the
uber
planning
the
approval
planning
channel
we've
gone
directly
to
the
developers.
We've
tried
to
put
things
that
actually
would
help
a
decision
like
the
one
drawing
we
have
for
that
shows
the
positions
of
the
drains
serving
20
25
to
29
opel
mounts.
But
you
know
this.
This
was
sent
by
recorded
delivery
to
the
developers
and
then
copied
to
various
members
of
the
the
and
the
officer
and
our
councillor,
but
it
was
ignored.
J
There
was
no
representation,
there
was
no
response
at
all
from
the
the
developers
and
when
it
was
posted
on
the
planning
portal,
it
was
actually
in
fact
listed
as
a
planning
objection
by
the
land
registry,
so
rather
concealed.
But
what
was
intended
to
be
like
a
helpful
nature,
so
it
would
actually
identify
the
drains
and
incorporate
those
into
the
into
the
designs.
J
So
yeah,
it's
in
short,
you
know
it's.
It's
not
like.
We've
been
like
shouting
out
shouting
and
being
demonstrated,
we've
tried
to
take
our
representations
democratically
through
the
punning
process,
but
but
until
my
speech
now,
this
has
been
basically
ignored.
A
Thank
you,
cancer
jenkins.
You
want
to
come
back.
E
Yeah,
just
a
sort
of
supplementary
question
really
that
access
on
to
oakworld
mount
looks
very
narrow,
and,
looking
this
morning,
when
I
visited
there
was
quite
a
lot
of
cars
parked
on
oakwell
mound
so
and
also
the
I
can't
really
see
very
clearly
any
footpaths
into
the
development,
and
it
just
seems
to
be
quite
a
narrow
exit,
but
also
quite
congested
in
terms
of
quite
a
lot
of
traffic
coming
down
the
hill.
E
So
I
just
don't
know
whether
the
whether
you
think,
in
your
opinion,
the
highways
consideration
has
been
looked
at
and
whether
there
would
need
to
be
some
double
yellow
lines,
maybe
to
prevent
some
parking,
whether
that
would
affect
local
residents.
J
Well,
I
think,
on
this
issue
I
actually
speak
for
a
few
neighbours
who
have
actually
supported
the
scheme,
or
one
has
actually
posted
a
a
a
supportive
comment,
but
included
the
caveat,
but
the
highways
issues
resolved
so
parking
issue
is
a
major
issue
to
the
to
both
objectors
and
supporters
of
this
scheme,
and
no,
we
don't
think
it's
been
adequately
considered
by
highways.
Yes,
the
the
access
road
is
very
narrow
and
to
maintain
the
minimum
width
for
to
be
adopted,
there
is
no
footpath.
J
Also,
we
can
we're
concerned
about
flood
risk
management,
particularly
on
on
on
the
count
of
this
access
road.
The
flood
risk
management
consultation
report
dated
back
to
november
last
year.
All
calculations
were
submitted
and
we've
got
no,
you
know
it
was
fine,
it
would
be.
The
public's
management
is
very
competent
person.
J
However,
since
then
the
design
of
the
access
road
was
radically
changed
to
bring
it
up
to
adoptable
standards,
but
as
a
concrete
supporting
structure
on
these
on
the
south
side
of
that
access
road
to
support
the
weight
of
vehicles
to
stop
the
whole
lot
collapsing
into
the
house
of
into
number
31..
This
is
a
substantial,
subterranean,
concrete
structure
and
would-
and
this
is,
can
only
have
an
effect
on
the
on
the
sustainable
drainage
system
that
has
been
installed.
The
one
you
see,
ruber
cross
section,
also
concerns
with
the
access
road
is.
J
J
So
there's
the
planning
condition
was
that
the
designs
of
the
access
road
were
submitted
as
a
were
developed
and
submitted
to
a
fuller
stage
than
they
would
normally
be
for
planning
stage,
and
these
major
concerns
of
ours
has
not
been
addressed.
J
The
drainage
which
you
mentioned
that
serves
20
25
to
29,
is
also
understood
to
be
rooted
under
its
access
road.
This
is
not
shown
on
any
drawing,
and
yet
yes,
the
response
from
the
planning
officer
is
well,
if
it'll
be
an
under
underneath
an
adoptable
highway
at
the
end
of
the
year
at
the
end
of
the
day,
but
it
does
not
address
the
real
concerns
about
what
would
happen
to
protect
it
or
even
identify
it
during
the
construction
phase
so
and
then
back
to
the
parking
issue
itself.
J
Yes,
yes,
parking
is
a
problem
and
you
rightly
saw
parking
on
the
other
side
of
opal
mount
when
you
visited
the
site
today.
The
reason
these
peas
are
not
residents
who
park
there.
They
are.
The
traders
were
working
in
the
in
the
shops
and
and
cafes
in
in
on
the
round
road
parade
which
we've
got.
You
know,
there's
no
parking
restrictions
there
would,
they
obviously
have
a
present.
J
They
have
a
right
to
park
there,
but
the
reason
they
parked
there
was
because
where
they
used
to
park
before
was
cut
off.
But
what
used
to
be
the
larger
co-op
car
park
that
you
saw
on
your
site
today
would
adequately
accommodate
parking
for
the
whole
neighborhood,
and
then
it
was
just
fenced
off
driving
these
the
workers
depart
their
cars
in
side
streets,
so,
yes,
oakwell
mount
has
become
congested
and
the
fact
that
the
double
yellow
lines
might
might
be
extended
just
just
beyond
the
above.
J
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chad,
I'm
just
looking
at
the
houses
that
the
existing
houses
on
park.
G
Number
27
here:
29,
are
they
detached
houses?
And
if
sir,
do
you
know
how
many
bedroomed
houses,
those
ones
are
existing
ones.
J
The
houses
on
oprah
mount
are
quite
quite
varied,
they
are
all
two-story,
some
are
semis
and
the
five
five
houses
25
to
29,
including
where
I
live,
are
more
modern.
They
were
built
in
1986.
G
Do
you
happen
to
know
number
31
on
the
other
side
of
the
the
access
it?
It
looks
like
there's
some
sort
of
lost
loft
space
accommodation
there
they're
quite
high
pitched.
Am
I
correct
they're
all.
J
So
sorry,
could
you
I'm
sorry
in
my
house
to
get
here.
I
forgot
to
put
my
hearing
aids,
you
know.
So
if
you
would
pressure
your
bottle
up
and
get
amplifiers
your.
G
Number
31
yeah.
It
looks
as
though
they're
quite
high
pitched
roofs.
It
looks
as
though
there's
some
living
accommodation
in
the
roof.
Is
that
correct?
You
know.
J
A
A
Right
when
you're
ready,
you've
got
four
minutes
between
yourself,
so
whenever
you're
ready,
please
start
the
presentation.
I
Certainly,
thank
you
chair.
My
name
is
andrew
windruss,
I'm
from
id
planning
and
planning
consultant
for
the
applications,
david
whitaker,
the
applicant
to
my
left
and
the
resident
from
number
31
to
my
right,
who
will
also
speak
just
to
be
brief.
Yeah
I
was
highlighted
in
the
very
detailed
offices
report
that
we
wholly
support.
The
proposed
development
fully
complies
with
the
development
plan,
both
on
both
national
and
local
policies.
I
The
proposals
are
acceptable
with
respect
to
their
impact
on
the
living
conditions
of
both
existing
and
local
residents
and
the
future
residents,
and
it's
a
well
laid
out
and
design
scheme
as
covered
by
the
officer
report.
Importantly,
all
technical
conci
consultees
raise
no
objection,
so
there
are
no
technical
concerns
and
there
are
further
conditions
added
to
the
application
to
allow
for
more
detail
to
come
forward
and
has
already
touched
on.
More
detail
has
been
provided
than
perhaps
would
be
typical
in
this
stage.
I
Because
of
the
nature
of
the
application,
the
site
is
predominantly
brownfield
and
in
a
sustainable
location
close
to
local
amenities,
including
round
a
park.
It
provides
much
needed
family
housing
and
will
provide
a
significant
number
of
new
additional
trees
that
will
in
turn,
have
biodiversity
benefits.
K
My
name
is
david
whittaker
and
I'm
one
of
the
directors
of
the
applicants
who
has
made
their
planning
application
on
the
ogre
mount
site.
We
are
a
small
local,
leeds-based,
high-quality
developer
and
we
have,
over
the
last
10
years
or
so
successfully
completed
similar
high
quality
schemes
in
oakwood,
such
as
the
one
opposite,
the
montessori
school,
on
whether
we
rode
in
oakwood,
as
well
as
off
devonshire
crescent
in
round
hay
opposite
the
car
park
for
saint
andrews
united
reform
church.
K
K
K
Local
residents
will
be
aware
that,
after
that
part
of
the
car
park
closed
that
there
were
difficulties
with
anti-social
behavior
in
the
car
park,
an
illegal
occupation
by
third
parties
which
necessitated
eviction.
The
site
was
therefore
fenced
off
by
the
co-op,
as
it
was
in
separate
ownership
than
the
home
bargains
car
park.
The
site
has
now
been
derelict
for
approximately
six
years
as
a
local
resident,
I'm
very
keen
to
ensure
that
if
our
scheme
is
approved,
we
will
seek
to
deliver
a
lasting,
high-quality
development
fit
for
the
area
and
also
fit
for
local
residents.
K
I
Broadly
speaking,
I'm
a
pragmatist,
and
so
I
support
this
scheme
as
being
better
than
the
previous
schemes
that
have
been
proposed
behind
our
house,
in
particular
the
huge
block
of
retirement
flats.
It's
also
considerably
better
than
having
to
look
out
over
a
derelict
half
a
supermarket
car
park.
We've
had
concerns
about
the
cutting
down
of
the
tree
of
the
support
for
the
access
road
and
also
for
traffic,
but
as
far
as
I
can
see,
this
is
about
enforcement.
I
The
conditions
that
are
proposed
are
suitable
or
sufficient
to
deal
with
those
concerns
that
we
have
as
long
as
those
conditions
are
enforced,
you
can
paint
wa
lines
all
the
way
up
the
street
if
you
like,
but
people
will
still
park
on
them
unless
the
parking
restrictions
are
enforced,
they
are
not
being
at
the
moment.
That
is
the
concern.
The
principal
concern
that
we
have.
A
Thank
you
any
questions,
council
stevenson
and
then
council,
taylor.
G
K
Yeah,
obviously,
the
point
I
think
of
understanding
is
whether
we
could
come
in
off
the
home
bargains
car
park
rather
than
coming
in
off
oakwell
mount.
That
wouldn't
be
the
case.
It's
obviously
a
fully
operational
car
park
leads
to
home
bargains
and
it's
private
land,
so
the
only
access
that
is
available
to
this
site
is,
via
the
land
of
oak
wall
mount
which
the
co-op
bought
about
40
years
ago.
K
We
have
had
a
brief
discussion,
but
on
a
commercial
basis,
I
would
imagine
if
we
went
to
home
bargains
and
said,
we've
got
this
great
idea.
Please
can
we
come
across
your
private
car
park
and
put
a
private
access
road
in
and
survey
houses
off
it?
I
think
you
can
probably
guess,
as
I
could
guess
what
the
answer
would
be.
A
Do
you
want
to
come
back
council
stevenson,
councillor
taylor.
F
Yeah
I've
heard
from
the
previous
speaker
that
you
haven't
consulted
any
of
the
residents.
I
was
wondering:
did
you
consult
the
local
work?
Counselors
you've
got
this
in
planning
over
a
year.
You
said
you've
been
planning
to
do
this
work
and
you-
and
I
know
that
communication
is
very
vital.
F
So
I
think
that
if
you
did
speak
to
the
local
residents
and
get
both
sides-
probably
we
wouldn't
be
mistaken,
but
so
did
you
speak
to
the
local
councillors
to
let
them
know
what
you
were
doing,
what
you're
not
going
to
do
and
have
any
open
meetings
with
the
local
resident
31
agreed
supported,
and
you
give
the
vital
reason
why
at
which
I've
got
no
problem
with
that.
But
maybe,
if
you
did
sit
with
the
other
residents,
you
would
see
way
forward.
Yeah.
K
Obviously,
covert
does
not
help
the
situation
here
in
terms
of
consultation
you're,
quite
right.
Normally
what
we
would
probably
do.
We
would
probably
sort
of
book
the
local
hall
and
invite
people
down
and
say:
look
we've
got
a
planning
application.
Do
you
want
to
come
down
and
discuss
it?
That
has
clearly
not
been
possible
for
us
to
do,
and
I
think
I'm
writing
saying
factually
that
it's
it.
This
is
classed
as
a
minor
application
at
nine
units.
K
F
I
know
we
all
blame
covey,
but
zoom
did
kicked
in
very
early
and
into
covet
and
the
award
counsellors
would
be
you
and
go
between
the
local
residents
at
the
time.
If
you
wanted
to
really
reach
the
resident,
you
could
speak
to
the
local
world
councils
and
especially,
I
would
speak
to
number
29
where
the
road,
because
that
resident
gonna
have
more
effect.
F
I
We
have
three
officers
engaged
with
council,
lisa,
martin
and
then
david
has
directly
again
in
more
recent
time
and
yes,
certainly
going
forward.
Obviously,
the
construction
of
the
site
will
require
close
engagement
with
with
the
neighboring
parties
a
through
sharing
of
detail
in
terms
of
any
construction
detail
again,
as
it
gets
into
that
that
final
level
of
detail
and
then
also
re
the
usual
hours
that
the
council
would
impose
in
terms
of
construction
hours
and
actually
just
keep
it
regularly
updated
from
there
on.
D
Thank
you
guess,
yeah.
It
was
helpful
to
go
to
the
site
this
morning
and
actually
see
the
space,
and
these
are
being
billed
as
family
homes,
and
we
were
looking
at
the
kind
of
garden
size
and
the
two
houses.
At
the
end,
I've
got
substantially
less
flat
garden
space.
I
think.
Is
it
like
two
meters
and
it
looks
like
the
rest
of
the
garden,
is
so
very
inaccessible
for
people
and
I
sort
of
struggling
to
work
like
how
a
family
would
use
that
space.
D
It
just
seems
if
you're
saying
that
their
family
houses-
that's
not
a
very
usable
space
for
a
for
a
young
family
and
then
my
other
question
about
that
is,
like
the
main
issue
really
seems
to
be
the
access
road
and
you
can
see
that
surveys
still
need
to
be
done,
but
wondering
what
kind
of
reassurance
you
can
give
to
the
people
at
29-
and
you
know
they've
got
a
pretty
open
fence
at
the
side
and
there's
talk
of
like
a
little
buffer.
D
But
you
know
how
that
is
going
to
impact
their
house
and
their
garden,
and
just
you
know
what
detailed
reassurance
can
you
give
that
you
take
that
into
account.
K
If
you
take
your
last
point,
first
in
terms
of
the
the
residents
the
left-hand
side
yeah
I
mean
the
the
access
road
is
close
to
the
property,
but
of
course
the
actual
road
itself
will
be
founded
on
its
own
supporting
foundations.
So
there
will
be
no
impact
or
influence
on
the
adjoining
property
in
terms
of
pressure
or
loading.
K
The
loading
down
will
go
down
through
the
road,
not
laterally
after
29,
but
you're
right
I
mean
obviously
that
property
is
close
and
the
garden
is
closed,
and
certainly
our
intention
would
be
to
sit
down
with
the
residents
in
the
event
that
our
planning
application
is
successful
and
perhaps
see
whether
we
can
agree.
You
know
a
revised
fencing
treatment
at
our
cost
if
they
were
so
interested
to
to
improve
that
aspect.
K
K
You
can
answer
your
first
point
about
the
gardens
in
seven
and
eight.
Yes,
they
are
smaller.
We've
done
similar
schemes
in
the
past
and
we
tend
to
find
that
the
profile
of
people
who
buy
them
is
different.
K
Each
time
and
some
people
want
big
gardens,
they've
got
children,
they
want
places
to
play
out
other
people
they're
away
a
lot
or
they're,
not
interested
in
gardening
or
they're,
more
elderly,
and
they
don't
want
as
much
space,
and
we
tend
to
find
that
some
people
are
interested
in
larger
gardens
and
some
people
are
interested
in
just
a
patio
area
to
sit
out
on,
and
it's
not
always
the
case
that
everyone
wants
a
big
garden.
That's
certainly
our.
D
G
D
D
I
The
council's
adopted
policies,
and
even
those
ones
for
seven
and
eight
are
much
larger
flat
areas
than
than
two
meters,
of
course,
they're
up
at
seven
and
eight
meters,
as
with
the
ones
on
the
side,
so
they
have
a
patio
area
and
then
the
flat
area,
and
then
the
the
area
in
the
the
more
planted
area
in
seven
and
eight
certainly
is
still
flatter,
unlike
the
other,
slightly
steeper
ones,
I
mean
ever
since
I
started
working
on
it
and
I
live
locally
and
have
just
in
the
process
of
moving
house.
I
I
thought
my
kids
would
love
it
on
it
and
never
get
them
out
of
the
woodland
areas
up
at
the
top
and
you'd
be
you'd,
be
getting
them
out
of
there,
and
that
would
be
difficult.
So,
as
david
has
touched
on
it's
something
which
it
meets
all
the
policies,
it
does
provide
something
different
and
there
are
those
flat
areas
as
a
minimum.
Anyway,
we've
looked
at
particularly
that
part
of
the
site.
Quite
a
lot,
and
you
will
recall
there
were
nine
houses.
I
It's
been
brought
in
to
give
more
space
in
and
around
there,
which
again
has
has
just
released
some
of
the
space
in
that
area,
while
still
allowing
for
all
the
turning
and
parking.
So
that's
where
there's
probably
not
scope
to
move
seven
and
eight
any
any
further
because
of
the
some
of
those
parking
and
highway
requirements,
I'm
just
touching
on
the
access
road.
Obviously,
that's
that
that
fully
meets
the
council's
adoptable
standards
and
that
has
been
designed
in
in
that
basis.
C
Thanks
chair
in
relation
to
the
access
from
oakwell
mount,
is
there
not
any
scope
to
put
a
footpath
along
the
side
of
number
31?
I
mean
obviously,
there's
access
for
cars,
but
there'll
be
people
on
foot
that
might
want
to
go
to
the
shop
or
or
school
or
wherever.
If
it's
familiar.
I
So
we
we
have
had
one
on
there
before
the
highways
officers
asked
us
to
widen
the
road
to
ease
the
passing
there
and
again
this
complies
with
access
requirements
for
shared
services
in
that
sense,
because
it's
very
lightly
trafficked
just
been
for
eight
houses,
so
he
did
under
the
private
drive
arrangement.
I
Have
a
driveway
have
a
pathway
on
the
side
say
the
highways
officers
prefer
to
have
the
wider
actual
vehicle
route
in
that
sense,
complying
with
that
sure
lisa
will
be
able
to
clarify
the
the
type
and
the
standard
this
one
exactly
is.
I
can't
remember
the
definition
so
something
which
was
on
there.
We
felt
there
was
enough
in
terms
of
having
a
passing
place
for
cars,
so
it
was
more
a
single
vehicle
route
with
passing
places
under
footpath,
but
the
highways
officers
wanted
that
that
wider
highway
route
in
that
sense.
E
Yeah
three,
I
think
three
points
one
is
about
history,
so
there
is
a
sign
there.
That's
still
that
says
it's
still
cooperative
land
by
the
access
in
the
access
road.
So
if
that
was
40
years
ago,
that
it's,
I
just
wonder
what
the
history
was,
why
they
co-op
bought
that
land,
if
you
like
to
add
it
into
the
car
park
and
whether
it
was
ever
used
as
a
road
or
whatever,
so
that
that's
a
bit
of
history,
I
suppose,
and
whether
it
means
anything
I
don't
know.
The
second
point
really
is
about.
E
I
mean
about
footpaths
that
if
it's
a
these
are
family
houses
and
they're
likely
to
be
children.
Those
children
are,
you,
know
susceptible
to
potential
heavy
traffic
or
some
traffic
in
that
area,
and
I
would
have
thought
that
was
a
road
safety
issue
and,
thirdly,
is
about
climate
change.
Now
we're
going
to
be
in
a
fuel,
poverty
situation
or
fuel
crisis
situation
until
2024
at
least,
and
I
can't
understand
why
these
are
houses
that
look
to
be
south
facing.
K
Yeah,
I
mean
they're
all
really
good
questions
in
terms
of
you
know
current
climate
issues
really,
but
the
houses
themselves
are
effectively
east
facing
not
south
facing,
so
the
solar
gain
from
them
will
be
much
less
in
that
regard,
solar
panels,
yeah
we
we
would
be
sympathetic
to
them.
We
could
look
at
them.
Certainly
again,
the
orientation
we'd
have
to
check
and
see
whether
it's
possible.
K
E
I
One
about
the
the
co-op
history-
I
I
certainly
don't
know,
but
again
I've
been
a
local
resident.
It
was
their
car
park.
Then
they
closed
it.
I
don't
know
any
more
than
that
in
response
to
the
fault
past.
I
suppose
my
earlier
comments
about.
I
Yes,
we
designed
it
to
have
both,
but
then
we're
asked
to
widen
the
actual
highway
and
do
it
over
I've
got
type
3b
in
my
head,
but
again
I'm
sure
officers
will
will
confirm
as
to
that
to
confirm
exactly
how
that's
designed
in
terms
of
its
shared
type
arrangement
for
both
pedestrians
and
vehicles,
but
that's
what
we
were
asked
to
design
it
on
the
basis
of
and
change
our
original
design
climate
change,
it's
not
of
a
threshold
to
to
require
the
details
of
the
council's
policies,
the
m1
and
ent2,
but
certainly
something
by
condition.
I
Of
course
we
can
explore.
You
know
what
measures
can
be
going
in.
We
know
this
are
the
whole
shift
from
away
from
gas
boilers
and
putting
in
air
source
heat
pumps.
That
type
of
thing
coming
in,
I
think
it's
next
two
or
three
years
so
they're
all
things
that
we'd
certainly
consider,
by
condition,
if
necessary,.
G
I
Yeah,
there
are
often
cars
that
arrive
in
the
middle
of
the
night.
I
we
do
have
an
attic.
The
loft
is
converted,
that's
where
I
sit
and
work
on
an
evening
preparing
for
the
next
day.
There
are
often
cars
that
come
in
there
and
and
then
another
car
will
pull
in
next
to
it
for
a
few
seconds
and
then
drive
away
again.
I
You
can
all
guess,
what's
going
on
there,
just
over
the
last
couple
of
weeks,
someone
has
been
dumping
food
waste
on
that
side
of
the
car
park,
so
that
we've
had
huge
flocks
of
seagulls
and
and
kites
flying
around
interested
in
whatever
the
person
on
the
bike
has
been
throwing
over
the
fence,
and
I
lived
there,
and
it
was
me
that
reported
to
the
council
when
the
travelers
arrived
shortly
before
home
bargains
opened,
and
obviously
the
council
had
to
expend
some
energy
and
and
funds
no
doubt
on
having
them
sent
on
their
way.
I
So
it's
not
ideal
and
that's
why
I
opened
with.
I
consider
that
this
is
a
better
option,
either
than
the
huge
block
of
retirement
flats
or
continuing
to
look
at
half
of
the
derelict
supermarket
car
park.
A
Thank
that,
thank
you,
gentlemen,
for
your
time
and
now
shall
we
move
on
to
the
questions
to
officers.
C
Thank
you
chair.
It's
just
about
0.94
on
page
35
of
the
report
and
the
wildlife
and
the
woodland
behind
the
houses.
So
I
just
wondered:
who'd
actually
considered
whether
the
proposal
would
affect
any
protected
wildlife
if
there
is
any
protected
wildlife
there.
If
that's
been
established
and
and
is
anything
we
can
do
to
protect
any
further
development
of
that
woodland
so
that
obviously
it
would
be
privately
owned.
C
I
know,
obviously
it's
it's
not
flat
land,
so
you
probably
couldn't
build
on
it,
but
there
may
be
over
development
that
homeowners
may
want
to
cut
it
down,
cut
it
back,
which
would
could
then
impact
on
the
wildlife
there.
Thank
you.
B
Yes,
thank
you
councilman
yeah.
There
is
a
condition,
condition:
nine,
it's
just
a
headline
which
talks
about
landscape
management
plan,
but
we'd
expect
as
part
of
that
the
management
of
those
garden
spaces
details
of
how
they're
going
to
be
managed
to
be
to
be
submitted.
But
I
take
your
point
about
it's
very
difficult
to
control
what
a
a
resident
of
the
house
might
want
to
do
with
their
own
with
their
own.
B
Their
own
patch
of
land,
but
that's,
probably
as
best
as
we
can
do,
is,
is
look
at
measures
and
see
how
that
message
can
be
passed
on
to
future
owners
of
the
property
in
in
terms
of
the
biodiversity.
The
the
applicant
did
submit
a
biodiversity
report
and
we
did
have
the
preview
on
the
2019
application.
The
comments
that
were
submitted
by
our
nature
conservation
officer
to
fall
back
on,
I
think,
essentially
the
at
the
present
time.
B
The
view
was
taken
with
this
site
that,
because
a
large
part
of
it's
hard
standing
that
counts
against
the
biodiversity
quality
it
has,
the
the
lighting
also
would
count
against
will
make
it
unlikely
for
species
such
as
bats,
to
frequent
they're.
In
not
saying
they
wouldn't,
but
it
makes
it
less
likely,
plus,
there's
no
watercourses
or
anything
like
that,
which
would
encourage
other
species
and
potentially
some
protected
species
in
the
diversity
of
wildlife.
B
It's
more
likely
that
they're
going
to
be
matters
of
a
lot
of
bird
life
in
in
the
woods
and
those
sort
of
things.
What
we
could
do,
because
I
do
take
the
point-
is
that
we
could
add
a
condition
to
if
members
of
minded
grant
planning
permission
to
require
details
of
the
scheme
for
measures
to
be
agreed
to
achieve
a
biodiversity
net
gain
to
be
submitted,
and
that
may
also
include
things
like
the
introduction
about
bat
boxes
and
bird
boxes
and
and
the
like.
B
The
other
thing
I
would
say
is
that
there
is
substantial
new
planting
to
take
place,
which
we
thought
would
increase
the
variety
of
habitat
as
well
and
the
habitat
resource
generally
and
the
variety
of
habitats.
So
that's
where
we've
come
to
the
conclusion:
why
we've
come
to
the
conclusion
that
we
think
that
there'll
be
a
net
gain?
But
I
take
a
point.
I
think
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
add
such
a
condition
on.
H
Thank
you
chat.
I've
got
four
questions.
What
one
actually
follows
on
from
councilman
mitchell's
point
about
some
future
proofing
and
just
understanding
what
permitted
development
rights
would
be
would
be
in
place
and
particularly
around
the
amenity
of
what
conditions
the
company.
H
I've
got
a
concern
that
in
pretty
much
every
case,
the
the
households
will
be
taking
responsibility
immediately
for
some
very
mature
trees
with
tpos
and
knowing
what
I'm
sure
all
our
caseworks
are
like
you're,
quickly
going
to
be
knocking
on
the
doors
and
and
getting
people
asking
what
they
can
do
about
them
and
and
so
on.
Just
making
sure
what
what
conditions
are
in
place
are
really
really
clear
and
also
around
paraphernalia,
and
what
other
built
structures
would
be
acceptable
or
not.
H
So
that's
one
aspect
I
wanted
to
ask
about
david
referred
to
this
being
within
the
defined
town
center
boundary
and
as
a
point
of
principle,
I'm
a
little
concerned
that
in
an
area
where
there
is
housing,
growth
generally
we're
actually
shrinking
the
potential
location
for
services
and
and
shops,
and
things
like
that,
if
I've
understood
what
you,
what
you
said
correctly
I'd
be
grateful.
Someone
could
comment
on
refuse
collection
and
bins,
which
is
a
concert,
looks
very
tight
to
me
again.
H
It
feels
like
a
caseworks
problem
being
built
in
to
start
with.
Where
are
people
going
to
wheel
their
bins
out
to
if
all
of
the
visitor
parking
spaces
are
full
how's,
the
refuge
truck
going
to
get
in
they're,
expecting
people
to
wheel
it
to
the
end
of
what
looks
a
pretty
busy
and
congested
road?
H
So
what's
the
plan
for
that
and
the
final
question
is,
I
didn't
really
feel
we
got
an
answer
from
from
the
the
applicant
about
what
officers
have
done
to
explore
whether
an
access
is
feasible
from
the
road
that
runs
into
the
existing
car
park,
because
if
it's
doable,
it
seems
more
preferable
to
do
that
and
it
didn't
seem
like
it
had
been
imagining
what
somebody
might
say.
If
you
ask
them,
it's
very
different
to
asking
them
and
hearing
what
they
actually
said.
A
B
Okay,
thank
you
chair.
Yes,
thank
you,
counselor
yeah
in
in
terms
of
conditions
and
the
the
land
to
the
rear.
B
I
don't
think
we've
we've
got
one
on
which
controls
permitted
development
rights,
but
yeah
you're
right
there's,
it's
probably
a
good
idea
to
put
something
on
which
will
restrict
the
building
of
outbuildings
and
that
sort
of
thing.
The
other
thing
that
we
could
potentially
put
on,
which
might
help.
The
biodiversity
point
also
is
about
external
lighting
referred
to
the
car
park
lighting.
We
all
know
that
those
sort
of
bright,
very
bright
security
lights
you
sometimes
get
flicking
on
and
off,
can
discourage
wildlife.
So
we
can.
B
We
can
certainly
look
at
that
in
terms
of
the
future
management
we
can
put
a
condition
on
which
will
require
a
scheme
of
measures
to
be
submitted,
and
that
could,
in
theory
include
or
require
the
applicant
to
submit
to
us
details
of
the
information
that
they're
going
to
provide
to
potential
purchasers
and
homeowners
as
well
and
about
the
limitations
in
terms
of
the
usage
of
of
of
that
of
that
land,
and
there
might
be
something
that
we
can
do
to
reinforce
that
in
terms
of
physical
reinforcement
in
terms
of
creating
picket
style
fences,
maybe
in
gates
to
define
the
area
where
you're
going
into
the
woodland
as
it
were,
and
have
that
sort
of
nature
area.
B
To
sort
of
reinforce
that
that
message.
So
there
are
all
things
that
we
could,
we
could
probably
do,
I
suspect,
moving
on
to
the
town
center
boundary.
I
suspect
that
was
just
a
historic
thing,
because
it
was
the
car
parked
to
the
shop
to
the
retail
units
as
as
such
from
a
planning
points
view.
I
suppose
the
question
that
we
would
ask
ourselves
is
okay
in,
in
those
circumstance,
is
a
residential
in
principle
acceptable
in
planning
policy
terms.
B
And
yes,
it
is-
and
I
think
we
would
say
on
that
basis,
because
the
location
of
it
to
the
rear
as
the
retail
frontage,
we
wouldn't
think
that
that
would
inhibit
or
adversely
impact
upon
vitality
and
the
viability
of
the
the
retail
center
as
as
as
a
whole
and
just
from
the
nature
of
the
location,
I'll.
Let
lisa
deal
with
the
issue
about
refuse
collection
and
bins
from
the
access
from
gledhow
rise.
I'm
I
haven't
personally
been
involved
in
any
discussions
on
the
application,
but
I'm
not
aware
that
we've
raised
that
as
an
issue.
B
C
So
your
question
about
refuse
the
the
road
layout
internally
has
been
designed,
so
a
refuse
vehicle
can
enter
and
turn
within
the
site,
and
that
was
part
of
our
requirement
of
the
way
that
you
know.
We
asked
the
ridge
from
the
original
layout
to
be
revised,
because
I
think
there
were
concerns
that
the
the
original
layout
refuse
would
have
to
be
from
oakwell
mount
and
there
was
no,
you
know
then
there'd
have
to
be
a
collection
point
on
auckland.
We
thought
that
was
not
et
cetera.
C
That
would
cause
a
lot
of
problems
in
terms
of
that
those
number
of
bins
and
therefore
we
we
asked
for
it
to
be
designed
so
refuse-
could
enter
the
site
and
turn
within
the
site
and
the
turning
head
at
this.
You
know
just
at
the
end
of
the
access
road
has
been
designed
on
that
basis.
C
Just
also
just
in
terms
of
the
question
about
the
the
on
alternative
access,
I
don't
think
the
site,
as
shown
meets
the
adopted
highway
boundary.
I
don't
have
information
on
where
the
adopted
highway
extends,
but
I'd.
Imagine
the
road
round
to
the
back.
You
know
to
the
the
home
bargains
car
park
is
is
privately
owned.
A
C
Yes,
there
will
be
tiaras
along
that
access,
road
and
the
turning
head
to
prevent
any
parking
within
that
to
keep
that
clear
for
larger
vehicle
turning
and
also
on
oakwell
mount.
That
is
why
the
tros
are
extended
to
allow
vehicle
to
safely
access
the
new
development.
C
D
Thanks
chair,
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
clarify,
what's
meant
in
the
recommendation,
that,
with
the
details
of
fences
and
boundary
treatment
and
what
that
refers
to
so
just
thinking
about
the
fence
that
goes
alongside
the
car
park,
it's
like
a
really
long
boundary
and
I
think
you
said
that
is
going
to
be
a
hedge,
but
then
there's
kind
of
questions
around
who
would
maintain
that?
Could
people
just
sort
of
cut
through
the
hedge
to
go
to
the
shop?
Does
it
make
sense,
but
pathetic?
D
Like
is
because
it's
so
long
like
it
to
look
at
it
would
be.
You
know
it's
just
a
long
hedge
offense.
Is
there
a
way
to
make
that
kind
of
more
interesting
and
and
diverse,
and
who
would
be
responsible
for
the
on
the
access
road?
The
sort
of
buffer
and
planting
is
that
then,
for
residents
to
upkeep
or.
C
B
Okay,
yeah,
I
think
your
counselor,
the
the
condition
number
six
details
of
fences
and
boundary
treatment
is
a
sort
of
a
catch-all
as
it
were,
so
it
will
deal
with
the
fences
or
boundary
treatments
for
the
back
gardens
of
the
properties
and
between
gardens
of
properties.
B
It
would
also
catch
yes,
the
the
boundary
treatment
between
the
site
and
the
the
car
park.
It
is
shown
to
be
a
hedge
I'd.
Imagine
I
think,
also
there's
supposed
to
be
a
fence
which
runs
alongside
that
which
would
serve
to
protect
the
hedge
and
stop
people
from
cutting
through.
It
is
a
long
stretch
of
hedge.
There
are
a
couple
of
extra
heavy
standard
trees
which
propose
to
be
planted
in
amongst
it,
which
will
serve
to
break
it
up
a
little
bit.
B
It's
difficult
to
do
too
much
with
that,
because
that's
where
the
visitor
parking
is
also
located,
so
that
would
prevent
well.
We
could
reduce
the
number
of
visitor
parking
to
break
up
that
headline
a
bit
more
with
more
landscaping,
because
I
think
that's
probably
the
only
way
that
we
could
could
do
it.
But
it's
just
a
trade-off
between
whether
it's
the
visitor
parking
or
all
the
hedging.
B
There
is
a
point,
though,
that
I
think
would
be
sensible
and
you
touched
on
it
and
when
you
were
talking
about
the
rear
gardens
as
well,
that
the
details
of
the
retaining
structures
should
probably
also
be
submitted
for
approval,
because
we
do
have
a
number
of
retaining
structures
in
back
gardens
and
we
want
those
to
look
appropriate
as
as
well.
B
C
At
the
moment,
it's
not
within
the
proposed
adopted
highway
boundary.
I
notice
that
there
is
a
landscape
management
plan
conditioned,
so
I'm
understanding
at
the
moment
that
those
who
need
to
engage
their
management
company.
You
know
to
manage
that
piece
of
landscaping
and
the
hedge
and
those
trees
that
we
haven't
got
any
of
those
within
the
highway
boundary,
as
proposed.
G
Three
questions:
I
think,
if
I
take
one
at
a
time
moving
on
from
the
point
about
that
boundary
hedge
between
the
two
car
parks,
I
it
concerns
me
there's
a
suggestion
of
offense,
given
the
antisocial
behavior
that
was
referred
to
earlier
and
other
issues,
and
I
can
see
very
quickly
how
that
becomes
an
issue
with
air
maintenance
over
time
that
wood's
going
to
dilapidate.
G
There
will
no
doubt
be
some
teens
at
some
point
that
try
and
smash
through
that
or
set
fire
to
it
or
something,
and
I
wondered
actually
for
aesthetics.
It
might
look
a
lot
better
if
we
had
a
wall
down
there.
So
I
built
a
wall
with
the
planting
in
front
and
then
perhaps
like
a
bird
mouth
fence,
and
then
you've
got
your
visitor
car
parking,
which
might
perhaps
finish
off
the
whole
thing
quite
nicely,
rather
than
just
a
wooden
fence.
So
have.
G
Is
there
an
opportunity,
within
that
the
discussions
around
the
conditions
for
rounded
treatments
to
to
have
a
look
at
that?
If
we
haven't
already.
G
That
was
very
nearly
a
comment
chair,
so
let
me
get
away
with
that.
I'm
a
bit
concerned
around
plot
one
when
we
talked
about
that
seven
meter,
flat
patio
and
then
a
three
meter
wall
and
then
a
very
steep
incline
seven
meters
is
is,
is
quite
a
distance
that,
in
terms
of
the
patio-
and
I
wondered,
is
there
an
opportunity
to
reduce
that
and
have
less
of
an
incline
and
that
three
meter
wall
and
part
of
the
reason?
G
I
wonder
that
it
it's
probably
going
to
be
very
dark
around
there
because
of
the
trees,
so
you're
going
to
have
a
big
seven
meter
flat
area
of
space.
That's
probably
going
to
have
no
sunlight.
So
how
how?
How
far
is
it
usable?
So?
Is
there
an
opportunity
to
bring
that
back
and
reduce
the
incline,
but
does
that
not
work.
B
Okay,
if
I
can
answer
that
with
reference
to
the
to
the
louis,
is
it
possible
to
put
up
first
number
slide
number:
let's
go
for
slide
number
17,
please.
B
So
the
flat
area
is
essentially
that
area
there,
so
they
will
get
the
the
suns
from
just
gone
midday,
I
suppose,
depending
on
the
time
of
year
into
the
evening,
they're
really
they'll
be
impacted
by
these
trees.
Here
new
planting
there,
but
the
the
new
planting
we're
looking
at
in
that
location
is
going
to
be
what
we
would
call
residential
friendly,
so
it'll
be
trees
like
silver
birches,
rowan
horn
beans,
that
sort
of
trees
that
are
more
acceptable
within
sort
of
a
domestic
setting
the
big
existing
trees
around
around
here.
B
B
B
You
could,
in
theory,
bring
the
wall
yeah.
She
could,
in
theory,
bring
the
wall
forward,
but
I
think
the
way
that
we've
it's
been
negotiated
is
just
to
maximize
the
the
the
level
area
out
out
the
back
so
yeah.
If
you
brought
it
forward,
it
would
have
the
benefit
of
reducing
the
retaining
structure,
but
it's
just
playing
that
off
against
the
benefit
of
the
wider
flatter
area,
as
it
were.
G
Have
we
at
any
point
doing
a
sort
of
an
overlaying
map
to
see
whether
I'm
looking
at
the
spread
of
properties
here
here?
So
it
would
be
29
downwards.
On
the
left
to
me
at
that
angle,
it
looks
like
if
you
picked
up
those
properties
and
put
them
at
a
90
degree
angle
on
the
side.
It
would
more
or
less
be
a
similar
sort
of
density.
G
In
terms
of
where
we
are,
which
pointed
to
the
question
I
asked
earlier
about
the
houses
in
situ
and
have
we
have
we've
done
that?
I
know
there's
a
paragraph
in
here
on
housing
mix,
but
in
terms
of
density
are
we
is
it
fair
to
say
that
actually,
what's
going
to
go
on
that
size
is
pretty
same
as
there's
a
density
of
the
the
ones
that
were
built
in
the
80s
here.
B
Yeah,
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
the
same
as
ones
which
are
built
in
the
80s.
I
I
think
the
the
density
of
the
development
has
been
has
been
a
determining
in
the
spatial
characteristics
of
the
development
have
been
determinative
of
the
form
and
the
density.
That's
that's
happened
to
meet
our
policies.
We
would
end
up
in
terms
of
our
density
policies.
B
Thirty
twenties
per
hectare
we
would
have
ended
up
with
a
much
denser
a
much
denser
scheme
and
to
be
fair,
we
probably
would
never
going
to
achieve
that
anyway,
because
the
nature
of
the
slope
and
the
woodland
etc.
When
you
have
a
look
at
that,
but
the
spatial
pattern
of
dwellings
certainly
tries
to
pick
up
or
certainly
reflect
some
of
the
more
historic
nature
of
that
particular
location
locality,
and
it
is
that
sort
of
garden,
suburb
type
affair
in
terms
of
the
scale
and
three
story.
B
Whilst
we're
on
this
slide,
we
do
have
some
three-story
developments
out
the
back
there
with
the
with
the
flats,
which
is
a
more
modern
development.
There
are
three
story,
four
story,
developments
along
the
parade
as
as
well,
and
actually
it's
out
shot
here,
but
there
are
some
terraces
here
which
are
three-story
which
are
victorian,
edwardian
terraces.
C
Thank
you
just
a
quick
one,
just
following
them
from
council
stevenson's
point
about
the
retaining
wall
on
plot
number,
one.
It's
three
metres
high
and
I'm
just
thinking
that
that
potentially
will
be
a
family
garden.
Is
there
any
safety
issues
around
the
height
of
that
retaining
wall?
If
small
children
can
gain
access
to
it,
is
it
a
steep
drop
or.
B
Yeah
we
we
haven't
really
sort
of
got
into
those
into
those
details,
but
what
the
way
that
we
might
cover
it
off
that
that
particular
point
is,
you
know
we
talked
about.
I
think
that's
an
answer,
question
that
council
and
gave
about
defining
the
edge
of
the
garden
as
it
were,
to
the
to
the
woodland
area
that
falls
within
the
garden
using
a
fence,
and
that
might
serve
a
a
dual
purpose
in
in
that
respect.
E
Yeah,
sorry,
so,
just
about
my,
I
think,
without
making
a
comment,
the
access
road
is
quite
critical.
So
one
of
the
issues
it
seemed
to
me
is
that
access
for
the
waste
wagons
has
been
in
discussion
with
the
waste
management.
Maybe
this
has
to
happen
subsequently,
but
whether
you
can
actually
have
smaller
waste
wagons
going
down
some
of
the
smaller
roads
rather
than
the
large
ones,
which
might
be
more
appropriate
in
this
case
and
whether
that
would
then
enable
perhaps
a
footpath
to
be
instigated.
C
I
mean
I
can
only
go
on
what
you
know.
What's
already
been
discussed
and
generally,
I
think
the
waste
wagons
that
the
council
use.
You
know
they'll
cover
off
an
area
all
at
once,
so
it
might
be
difficult
to
use
different
sizes
for
specific
areas.
I
don't
I
don't
know,
I'm
not
I'm
not
involved,
but
in
terms
of
the
lack
of
food,
the
development
is
a
small
cul-de-sac
of
eight
dwellings
and
our
design
guidance.
C
You
know
there
is
that
you
know
for
the
shared
surface
street
it
is,
you
know
specifically
for
cul-de-sacs
up
to
ten
dwellings
where
we
wouldn't
require
a
fruit
way,
because
the
vehicle
movements
are,
you
know
it's
a
short
cul-de-sac,
so
vehicle
movements
are
considered
to
be,
you
know
relatively
low
and
and
and
slow
speeds
as
well,
and
it
would
be
you
know,
design.
You
know
as
a
block
paved
surface
so
that
it
feels
like
it's
not.
E
And
just
finally
from
me
there
is
no
access
to
the
shopping
area
from
there's
no
gated
access,
and
I
just
wondered
whether
that
was
in
terms
of
like
health
and
safety.
Again
you'd
feel
quite
closed
in
without
that
possibility
of
an
alternative.
E
You
know
I'm
not
thinking
about
a
fire
or
anything
like
that,
but
I
mean-
or
maybe
I
am,
but
you
know
perhaps
that
does
need
to
be
some
emergency
way
of
getting
through
and
also
if
you're
living
there.
You
know
you
think,
well,
you
should
be
able
to
get
through
without
having
to
go
right
down
to
oakwood
mount.
H
Yeah,
thank
you,
chair
yeah.
I
think
my
view
is
we're
halfway
to
a
good
scheme,
but
I
feel
like
we're
building
in
problems.
If
we're
not
careful
and
I'm
certainly
not
comfortable,
I
don't
go
in
a
place
to
say
no
I'd
refuse
permission,
but
I
also
don't
think
I'm
in
a
place
to
say
I'm
ready
to
defer
and
delegate
to
to
officers.
H
I
think
it
would
benefit
massively
from
the
involvement
of
local
residents
and
the
war
members
as
councillor
taylor
alluded
to
at
the
beginning,
and
it's
I
really
don't
accept
that
in
the
last
12
months
the
developer
couldn't
have
found
a
way
to
to
engage
with
the
local
community,
and
I
think
their
input
and
that
of
the
local
members
would
would
help
to
resolve
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
are
there.
H
The
issues
the
issues
to
me
are
around
the
access
and
I'd
want
to
know
definitively
that
there
is
no
other
option
that
could
be
explored.
I
think
if
you
had
an
access
at
the
at
the
other
end,
if
that
was
possible,
it
doesn't
seem
to
me
it
would
be
too
difficult
to
flip
the
the
scheme.
Almost
on
its
head
to
make
it
to
make
it
work.
H
So
there's
that
I
I'm
concerned
about
the
access
that's
proposed
and
whether
actually
it
will
the
impact
that
we'll
have
on
current
residents
concerned
about
the
the
other
things
we
talked
about,
but
I'd
certainly
I'd
feel
much
more
comfortable,
knowing
local
people
that
had
an
input
and
that
we
went
with
the
principle
that
the
developers
should
be
working
with
the
community
to
deliver
this
not
doing
something
to
them.
H
F
G
I'm
going
to
make
a
slight
suggestion
in
the
tweak.
I
think
there
is
an
avenue
to
explore
on
access
because
we
didn't
have
an
adequate
yeah,
an
adequate
answer,
I'm
afraid
I
think
recollection.
The
answer
I
was
given
from
the
applicant
was
you
can
imagine
what
the
conversation
is.
Well,
it's
not
my
job
to
imagine
it's
your
job
to
ask
the
question
and
you
haven't,
so
I
think
they
should
be
going
back
and
and
looking
at
that
point
boundary
treatments
as
well.
G
We
clearly
need
to
address
that
through
through
relevant
conditions
and
on
pd
rights
as
well.
I
just
one
minor
thing
I
look
the
garage
is
so
would
it
be
permitted
development
to
extend
the
garage
either
forward
or
upwards,
and
if
not,
if
that
is
permitted
development,
we
should
probably
seek
to
restrict
that,
if
that's
the
case,
but
the
slight
tweak
was
going
to
be
just
to
to
save
our
time.
If
nothing
else
that
I
think
I
would
probably
be
mindful
to
defer
and
delegate
this
to
the
around
award
members
in
consultation.
G
So
it's
what
we
did
recently
on
an
application
in
colligan,
which
was
very
successful
for
us,
because
the
roundy
ward
members
can
then
work
with
residents
and
with
the
applicant
to
try
and
iron
out
some
of
these
things
with
officers
and
if,
at
that
stage
the
round
award
members
are
happy
for
it
to
be
deferred
to
officers
to
approve
them.
That's
fine,
but
if
they
feel
like
it
needs
to
come
back
to
pan's
panel,
they
can
make
that
judgment
for
us.
So
that
would
be
a
slight
tweak.
I'd
make.
D
Yeah,
thank
you,
chad.
I
think
just
listening
to
the
comments.
I
think
we're
all
pretty
much
in
agreement
that
but
the
principles
there
that
this
is
a
reasonable
site.
It
just
needs
to
be
better
than
it
is,
and
I
think
I
don't
know
which
who
to
agree
with
on
that,
whether
it
should
go
toward
members
I'll
come
back
to
panel.
I
I
I
I
think
in
every
respect.
D
I
think
we
all
agreed
that
like
say
in
principle,
this
is
better
than
what
is
there,
but
it
could
be
better
than
what
is
presented
and
I
think
it's
a
couple
of
cycles
back
is
probably
what
we're
looking
at,
but
I
do
I
do
think
it
should
just
for
clarity
of
purpose
should
come
back
to
panel
because
I
think
that's
a
clearer
and
simpler
process
and
I'm
not
quite
sure
we
can
really
do
that
other
way
quite
legally,
but
anyway,
legal
office
seems
to
agree
counselor,
counselor
stevenson.
Thank
you.
So
we've
got
two
competing
motions.
D
G
D
E
A
B
Okay,
thank
you
chair.
It
looks
so
we're
moving
towards
a
deferral
of
consideration.
The
application
report
back
to
plans
panel
after
future
date
for
for
determination.
This
would
be
due
to
to
allow
for
consultation
with
local
residents
and
local
members
particularly
points
on
the
access.
Whether
there
is
an
alternative
access
that
can
be
achieved
off
bloodhound
rise
and
also
to
discuss
with
the
in
the
impacts
of
the
current
access
arrangements,
as
pros
proposed.
B
B
Look
at
that
pick
up
on
councillor
jenkins
point
about
consulting
with
nature
conservation,
and
then
we
would
also
pick
up
on
the
points
raised
by
members
during
the
course
of
discussion
in
terms
of
conditions
about
details,
of
retaining
structures
to
rear
gardens,
details
of
sustainable
design
measures,
and
we
may
be
able
to
bring
some
further
information
back
to
plans
panel
as
part
of
the
discussions,
woodland
garden
management,
in
terms
of
how
that's
going
to
be
achieved
and
defining
the
woodland
boundary
by
a
fence
taking
out
permitted
development
rights
for
outbuildings
and
restrict
powers
to
put
up
lighting
as
it
were,
and
also
pick
up
on
the
point
about
extensions,
because
we've
got
small
gardens.
B
A
Thank
you
based
on
this
summary
provided.
Does
someone
wants
to
move
the
motion?
Counselor
stephen
sorry,
counsellum
seconded
by
cancer
taylor?
Could
we
now
take
the
vote
on
the
motion
as
proposed
and
second
and
seconded
for
anyone,
sorry
or
anyone
for.