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A
A
Right
can
I
just
say
a
few
things
to
introduce
the
panel
city
plans
panel
deal
with
applications
from
the
city
center,
as
well
as
the
largest
and
most
significant
application
the
council
receives.
A
A
F
Good
afternoon
everybody
council,
neil
walker,
heading
in
high
park,
ward
substituting
for
council
maloney.
I
think.
G
Hello,
everybody
councillor,
caroline
gruen.
I
represent
the
bramley
and
stunningly
award.
B
A
Thank
you
all
and
welcome,
and
thank
you
for
the
people
who
have
substituted
that
short
knowledge.
It's
most
welcome.
B
Chair
under
item
number
one,
there
are
no
appeals
against
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents
under
item
number.
Two.
There
are
no
items
requiring
the
exclusion
of
the
press
and
public
under
item
number.
Three.
There
are
no
late
items
of
business
today.
Moving
on
to
agenda
item
number
four:
the
members
have
any
interest
you
need
to
declare.
B
A
A
Thank
you,
sarah,
as
some
of
you
will
know,
this
is
sarah's
last
planning
meeting
and
there
are
some
words
to
be
said
by
jonathan
carr
and
other
people.
I
suspect,
including
myself,
and
we
also
also
on
another
sad
occasion
because
matt
hill,
our
legal
officer,
will
be
leaving
us
too.
From
this
meeting
I
mean
when
you,
where
do
you
get
experience
like
that?
It
takes
many
many
years.
Doesn't
it,
but
I
won't
start
the
paul
rolling
over
to
you,
john.
Please.
B
O
O
O
Always
very
well
considered
in
views
on
on
items
coming
to
panel
and
should
be
greatly
missed.
C
I
I'm
not
going
to
take
too
long,
but
but
I
just
thought
about
when
actually
sarah
started
and
and
she's
actually
been
with
us
since
2001,
you
know
over
20
years
and
during
that
time,
not
only
has
she
progressed
applications
in
the
way
that
john
has
outlined,
but
but
she's
you
know,
acquired
planning
qualifications,
she's
progressed
through
the
planning
system.
I
think
you
started
off
as
a
planner.
You
know
you
took
more
and
more
responsibility.
C
You
showed
you
were
more
than
capable
and
and
looking
back
at
the
schemes
that
she's
been
involved
in.
You
know
from
my
point
of
view.
Sarah
has
been
instrumental
in
in
successfully
delivering
real
planning
gain,
as
well
as
doing
the
job
of
delivering
planning
consent,
but
real
value
on
developments
and
she's
been
involved
in
some
of
the
most
significant
schemes
in
the
city
center.
You
know
she.
She
was
a
case
officer
for
john
lewis
and
victoria
gate.
C
She
dealt
with
the
leeds
university,
the
estates
program
that
they've
had
the
laid
law,
library,
the
school
of
law-
and
you
know
the
student
housing
on
mount
preston
street
and
the
public
realm
that
we
had
up
there
she's
been
involved
in
the
lgi.
She
delivered
the
planning
consent
on
the
lgi
hospital.
I
mean
there's
more
work
to
do
on
that
and
we
solidly
miss
you.
C
But
you
know
these
are
big
projects
for
the
city
and
sarah
has
been
instrumental
in
not
only
guiding
those
through
what
is
quite
a
complex
system,
but
in
a
way
where
she
really
engages
with
different
stakeholders
and
shows
her
skill
and
experience
in
getting
real
planning
benefits
out
of
the
system.
So
I
mean
there
are
others.
You
know
she
was
involved
in
trinity
shopping
center.
She
dealt
with
a,
I
think,
almost
a
village
in
skelton
gate.
This
is
over
1
000
units
and
nearly
2
000
square
meters
of
commercial
space.
C
I
think
I
think
we'll
it
goes
without
saying
we'll
miss
sarah's
ability
and
skill
in
being
able
to
do
the
work
as
well
as
she
does.
But
I'm
sure
you
will
all
join
me
in
wishing
her
best
for
the
future
and
a
happy
retirement
from
all
things
planning.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Sarah.
A
Thank
you
daljut
and
john.
You
haven't
left
much
for
me
to
say
as
a
member
and
I'm
sure
all
members
around
the
table
will
agree
that
we
have
welcomed
sarah's
advice
all
the
way
through
right
from
site
visits
to
when
we
sit
around
here
and
do
it
pre-apps.
A
Q
Thank
you,
I'm
slightly
overwhelmed
by
that.
So
thank
you
for
all
those
really
nice
comments.
Q
This
is
really
great
to
hear
and
and
obviously
I
tried
I've
tried
to
put
my
best
into
the
job,
and
hopefully
that
has
come
through
in
the
schemes
that
I've
dealt
with,
and
you
know
seeing
stuff
that
comes
up
from
the
ground
and
you
know,
you've
influenced
it
in
a
positive
way
is
one
of
the
best
things
about
the
job
you
know
having
that
impact
on
the
city,
and
I
hope
that
most
of
what
I've
been
able
to
do
is
is
positive,
and
I
was
talking
to
a
a
work
experience
guy
and
saying.
Q
Sometimes
you
deal
with
stuff
that
you
don't
actually
personally
like,
but
you
still
got
to
make.
You
know
make
it
the
best
it
can
be.
So
I
hope
I've
actually
achieved
that
in
all
all
the
schemes
I've
worked
on,
so
you
know,
and
I
can
leave
her
leave
them
in
capable
hands
of
dowager
on
the
team.
Where
I
shall
kind
of
you
know,
carry
on,
you
know,
got
a
great
team.
You
know
I'm
not
the
only
one
who's
who
is
an
excellent
planner,
all
of
our
department.
Q
A
A
Moving
to
matt
hill
matt
hill
is
not
retiring,
as
I
understand
that
he's
moving
to
another
post
you've
got
your
career
to
think
about.
We
fully
understand
that
I
shall
always
remember
matt
in
particular
for
lee's
and
bradford
airport.
Many
of
you
will
remember
the
nine
hours
marathon
that
I
don't
think
will
ever
be
beaten.
I
hope
it's
never
gonna
be
beating
in
future.
There
is
I'll
be
interested
to
be
sit
there.
Perhaps
not
in
the
chair
this
time
and
see
it
happen.
A
Matt's
legal
guidance
certainly
guided
us
through
it.
We
contacted
all
the
legal
people,
we
need
to,
we
consulted
very
wisely
and
we
had
the
best
advice
and
matt
saw
us
to
every
stage
of
it.
I'm
sure
you'll
always
remember
that
one
in
particular
it's
probably
written
on
his
heart,
but
I
mean
even
I
think
all
of
us
are
sat
around
the
table.
I'm
conscious
that
not
everybody
agreed
to
the
application.
A
Some
voted
against
it,
but
even
so,
I'm
sure
they'd
be
the
first
to
agree
that
they
have
the
best
legal
advice
that
was
available
all
coming
from
matt
on
on
this
one
so,
and
I
think,
mo
I'm
certainly
confident
and
I'm
sure
matt
was
that
had
the
appeal
gone
ahead,
we'd
have
come
out
looking
really
good
police
planning
authority,
I
don't
think
we'd
we'd
have
been
found
many
gaps
or
anything
wanting
in
it,
but,
as
you
know,
lees
and
bradford
airport
choose
not
to
go
ahead
with
the
appeal
and
we
are
where
we
are
on
that
one.
A
But
thank
you
matt
and
the
very
very
best
of
luck
in
the
future
and
maybe
some
future
date
you'll
come
back
and
work
for
us
again.
Who
knows.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
then,
moving
on
to
the
agenda,
we're
all
19
item
six
previous
minutes
of
the
meeting
16
to
june
I'll,
get
organized
and
tell
you:
what
can
you
turn
to
page
seven,
please,
okay
I'll!
Do
it
in
the
usual
way
and
go
from
page
page
so
page,
seven
page,
eight
page,
nine.
A
Finally,
page
12.
andy,
there
is
a
typo
in
the
on
page
10.
The
third
bullet
point
down
that
it
just
needs
corrected
it
doesn't
I
we?
We
know
what
it
means,
but
obviously
it's
best
that
it's
shall
I
read
it.
A
Okay,
the
proposal
would
retain
the
use
of
use
as
much
as
the
size
as
possible.
Weight
health
would
up
to
three
stories
in
height.
I
think
it
means
increase
in
three
stories
in
the
house.
I
think
we
all
understand
that.
R
A
Lambda
capital
park
top
cliff
lane
molly.
Could
I
invite
mark
to
address
the
panel
and
introduce
this
to
us?
We
also
have
simon
from
environment
here,
so
we
we
may.
We
may
bring
you
in
after
that.
I
will
bring
you
in
after
mark's
presentation.
If
that's
okay
mark,
please.
D
Please
could
you
bring
side
five
up
before
I
start.
Thank
you.
The
application
is
brought
before
you
following
the
resolution
concluded
by
city
plans
panel
on
the
19th
of
may
2022
to
defer
until
further
information
and
details
had
been
received.
The
proposal
relates
to
a
key
general
employment
allocation,
which
is
38.4
hectares
in
size.
The
employment
site
is
recognized
within
the
local
planning
authority's
development
plan
and
identified
as
a
suitable
general
employment
site
within
this
site
allocation
plan.
D
D
The
recommendation
brought
back
to
to
members
was
made
in
light
of
the
further
discussions
with
the
application
applicant
and
the
submission
of
a
package
of
additional
information
which
included
the
reduction
in
the
maximum
parameter
height
for
buildings
proposed
in
parcel
3
from
22.4
metres
to
18.5
meters.
Overall,
this
would
have
a
an
internal
haunch
height
of
15
meters,
which
is
considered
to
be
an
absolute
minimum
for
buildings
for
the
logistics
sector.
D
It
set
out
institutional
requirements
for
for
the
height
and
why
14
at
15,
meters
or
below,
is
not
feasible
or
viable.
It
confirmed
heights
of
adjacent
buildings.
It
gave
an
indicative
option
showing
lighting
and
distances
to
demonstrate
that
conditions
relating
to
amenity
are
feasible.
D
It
also
showed
shadowing
diagrams
to
show
that
there's
a
minimal
impact
upon
residential
amenity
and
provided
a
lighting
scheme
showing
lighting's
potential
indicative
lighting
for
buildings,
showing
lighting
spill
and
shown
again
that
there
was
a
minimal
impact
on
residential
amenity.
It
also
suggested
further
wording
for
conditions
to
mitigate
and
ensure
that
lighting
and
noise
is
not
a
significant
impact
as
an
update
since
the
previous
plans
panel
50
representations
have
been
received.
D
These
representations
do
not
raise
any
new
material
planning,
considered
considerations,
but
reiterate
that
it's
considered
that
significant
concerns
regarding
scale
massing.
An
impact
on
the
building
remains
following
the
further
information
that
has
been
provided.
Further
to
this
additional
objections
to
the
information
have
been
received
from
councillors,
newton
senior
and
kitchen.
Their
representations
still
have
significant
concerns
again
with
the
scale
height
and
matting,
and
the
impact
on
the
amenities
of
local
residents.
D
The
environmental
health
service
have
been
consulted
following
the
submission
of
the
additional
information
they've
provided
comments
on
the
proposal,
as
as
it
has
been
amended
environmental
health
services
satisfied
that
the
proposed
buildings
and
their
end
use
can
the
parameters
come,
are
acceptable
and
do
not
present
any
significant
amenity
concerns
provided
that
they're
subject
to
conditions
and
the
environmental
health
services
are
consult
again
at
reserve
matters
stage.
D
A
response
from
a
holding
objection
has
also
been
received
by
national
highways
in
relation
to
the
application,
and
it
states
that
road
safety
audit
as
part
of
the
off-site
works
to
the
m62
junction
is
needed
before
any
decision
can
be
issued.
The
road
safety
audit
has
been
progressed
and
it
is
envisaged
that
this
will
be
finalized
shortly.
The
road
safety
audit
does
not
preclude
this
plans
panel
determining
the
application
and
the
holding
response
is
not
an
objection
to
the
mitigation
scheme
that
has
been
proposed.
D
National
highways
are
fully
supportive
of
the
improvement
scheme
proposed
at
junction
28,
and
the
holding
response
has
been
submitted
to
allow
the
road
safety
audit
to
be
carried
out
prior
to
a
decision
notice
being
issued
as
set
out
in
the
previous
plans
panel
recommendations
and
as
within
this
current
recommendation
put
before
you.
It
is
proposed
that
provisions
are
made
for
officers
to
defer
and
delegate
to
allow
the
section
106
to
be
finalized
and,
in
this
particular
instance,
to
also
satisfactorily
resolve
the
road
safety
audit.
D
Following
concerns
previously
raised
by
members,
the
applicant
has
reduced
the
proposed
parameters
for
the
heights
of
the
buildings
closest
to
the
residential
properties.
This
is
illustrated
on
this
slide,
showing
the
closest
properties
are
85
meters
away.
The
buildings
now
are
proposed
to
be
3.9
meters
or
lower
than
the
the
original
parameters
that
were
put
forward
to
members.
D
The
internal
arrangement,
an
overall
ridge
height
of
18.5
meters,
provides
a
haunch
height
of
15
meters.
Internally,
this
15
meter,
minimum
haunch
height
requirement,
is
derived
from
the
form
and
function
requirements
of
occupiers
and
operators
within
the
logistics
sector,
who
largely
use
pallet
storage
in
a
racking
system.
D
The
height
of
the
building
closest
to
the
residential
properties
is
shown
here
and
the
yellow
denotes
the
previous
parameter
height,
as
it
can
be
seen.
The
parameters
have
been
significantly
reduced
and
the
landscaping,
together
with
the
distance
from
the
dwellings
and
the
nature
of
the
topography
of
the
site,
will
significantly
come
from
camouflage
any
building
built
to
the
maximum
parameters
within
five-year
period.
D
D
Furthermore,
after
the
landscaping
has
matured,
as
shown
here,
the
protons
will
have
minimal
visual
impact
closest
residential
units.
So
if
you
could
now
go
back
to
slide
nine,
that
shows
the
the
landscaping
when
it's
fully
matured
accordingly.
In
this
respect,
the
maximum
height
parameters
limit
the
massing
of
any
structure
and
respond
positively
to
the
concerns
raised
by
the
plans
panel.
It's
considered
that
parameters
proposed
will
comply
with
council's
planning
policies
relating
to
design
and
an
existing
amenity.
D
In
terms
of
the
mitigation
measures
proposed
regarding
noise
and
light
pollution,
members
raised
concerns
with
noise
and
light
pollution.
As
a
result
of
the
development.
The
application
was
submitted
with
an
environmental
statement.
An
additional
indicative
rights
bill
plan
has
been
put
forward,
as
well
as
further
wording
of
potential
conditions
that
could
be
attached
to
any
approval.
D
The
lighting
spill
diagram
has
shown
minimal
impact
upon
the
neighboring
resident,
and
this
is
due
to
the
distance
at
which
the
areas
are
from
the
neighboring
properties
and
and
due
to
the
landscaping
ground
level.
Changes
together
with
the
the
parameters
for
the
the
sighting
and
height
of
the
in
of
the
buildings.
D
The
application
applicant
proposes
mitigation
measures
such
as
significant
landscaping,
buffers
land
burns
and
noise
attention
attenuation
fencing.
Such
measures
can
be
seen
on
side
six
and
the
where
the
proposed
unit
is,
and
it
can
be
understood
how
the
distance
is
between
the
the
closest
neighboring
unit
consumer.
The
site
is
an
important
strategic
employment
site
that
will
significantly
contribute
to
the
economic
growth
of
the
city
as
a
whole.
D
D
So
as
as
a
bit
I'll
just
run
you
through
a
couple
of
the
sides
so
members,
you
can
be
fully
aware
of
the
information
that
has
been
submitted
and
how
it
relates
to
the
closest
residential
units.
As
previously
seen,
the
tree
planting
is
considered
to
be
significant
and
it
will
be
mature,
there'll,
be
significant,
mature
planting
at
an
early
stage
and
through
five
to
ten
years,
as
it
can
be
seen.
These
will
significantly
camouflage
the
the
buildings
of
max
that
could
be
built
up
to
the
maximum
parameters
that
are
being
proposed.
D
This
just
shows
when
we're
talking
about
the
haunch
height
of
15
meters,
how
it
is
arranged,
so
the
ridge
height
is
set
back
from
the
edge
of
of
of
any
building
again
moving
the
massing
of
the
buildings
away
further
from
local
resident
residents.
D
This
is
just
to
demonstrate
that,
in
the
logistics
sector,
racking
systems
are
required
to
ensure
that
buildings
can
be
of
the
smallest
footprint
print
possible
and
whilst
maximizing
the
efficiency
of
of
the
units.
D
And
I
think
that
that's
in
concludes
my
presentation.
Thank
you,
chair.
B
Thank
you
chair.
So
from
from
an
environmental
health
perspective,
we
looked
at
the
lighting
effects
and
noise
impact
assessments
and
concluded
that
they
accord
with
our
guide
guideline
levels
and
at
reserve
matters
stage.
We
would
look
at
these
to
make
sure
that
the
constraints
set
out
in
the
reports
are
adhered
to.
So
from
that
point
of
view,
we're
happy
with
the
assessments
and
happy
to
recommend
conditions
to
to
secure
those
constraints
are
set
out
so
yeah.
I
can
take
some
questions
if
any
members
want
to
clarify
any
points.
M
This
is
the
third
time
that
this
has
been
to
a
plans
panel,
which
is
unprecedented
of
itself.
I've
sat
in
planned
spanner
for
many
years.
I've
never
known
things
to
come
back
three
times
for
a
decision,
and
when
I
was
here
for
the
airport,
I
and
it
wasn't
a
recommendation
for
approval.
This
has
been
a
recommendation
of
approval
three
times
unprecedented
at
this
particular
one,
primarily
because
we
have
concerns
about
the
size
and
height
of
these
particular
buildings
and
noise
and
light
and
its
impact
on
residential
immunity.
M
We've
discussed
highways
we're
not
discussing
always
today
through
those
three
returns
to
plans
panel
and
through
all
of
the
negotiations,
that
the
planning
department's
undertaken
with
the
developer.
You've
got
a
reduction
of
about
12
and
a
half
foot
yeah
of
the
height
of
the
building,
and
that's
pretty
much
it.
The
location
of
the
buildings,
all
the
other
issues
that
were
raised
at
this
particular
point,
the
massing,
its
impact
and
residential
immunity,
all
the
rest
of
it.
They
reduced
it
by
what
is
it
3.9
meters
for
those
of
us
born
before
decimalization?
D
M
I
think
you're
a
post
decimalization,
so
it
is
about
12
and
a
half
foot
if
you
try
the
conversion
at
this
particular
point
that
the
height
has
been
reduced.
That's
that's
great.
I
understand
that.
I
wonder
if
I
might
turn
to
our
an
environmental
health
colleague,
who's
got
a
same
booklet
that
I've
got
that.
M
Hopefully
we
can
share
with
the
rest
of
the
panel
at
this
point
and
looks
like
he's
got
as
many
yellow
highlights,
as
I
have
on
the
actual
booklet,
but
I
wonder
if
he
might
perhaps
helping
it
assist
me
by
looking
initially
at
the
lighting
issue.
So
I
understand
the
lighting
issue
shouldn't
we
about
an
over
spill
lighting
diagram
or,
as
I
understand
it,
a
light
spillage
plan
before
we
consider
the
lighting
taking
it
that
we
regarded
that
as
a
significant
impact
on
residential
immunity.
At
this
particular
point,
I
can't
see
one
in
there.
B
I
don't
have
it
to
hand,
but
there
is.
There
was
one
on
the
portal
that
was
submitted
fairly
recently.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
it.
D
D
The
application
is
an
outline
consent
is
for
looking
at
the
parameters
of
development
in
in
these
three
parcels,
so
any
indicative
writing
spill
plan
is
is
which
the
environmental
health
officer,
simon,
has
has
viewed,
is
just
indicative,
and
we
would
the
conditions
are
being
proposed
to
ensure
that
that
level
of
detail
is
drawn
up
at
a
reserve
matters
stage
when
it's
fully
known
what
the
future
occupants
are
at
this
stage,
that
indicative
plan
is
read
in
connection
with
the
distances
and
and
the
parameters
that
are
proposed
is
considered
to
be
a
sufficient
distance
to
to
ensure
that
you
know,
conditions
can
be
effective.
D
B
Yeah,
the
the
assessment's
taken
taken
a
a
worst
case.
Well,
it's
set
out
the
24-hour
operation,
the
number
of
vehicles,
so
those
are
the
constraints
that
the
development
would
have
to
adhere
to.
So,
if
anything,
changes
that
reserve
matters
they
would
still
have
to,
you
know,
meet
our
our
criteria.
What
it's!
M
And
on
there
it
talks
about
the
number
of
hdbs
that
will
be
moving
at
night
across
all
of
the
units,
and
it
also
confirms
it
says
cars,
but
I
assume
it's
cars
and
light
vans
and
other
such
things
that
are
operating
during
the
night
time
period.
Now,
I'm
suggesting
night
is
probably
eight
to
six
ten
hours,
which
I
think
is
pretty
fair
and
reasonable.
M
According
to
these
figures,
you're
going
to
have
350
hgvs
moving
each
night
and
you're
going
to
have
680
other
movements
of
other
vehicles,
which
are
cars,
maybe
vans
all
the
rest
of
it,
and
I
do
note
at
7.28,
it
says
the
hgvs
will
reverse
into
loading
bays.
Each
reversing
movement
will
take
place
over
a
period
of
one
minute
and
will
include
the
use
of
reverse
beepers.
M
B
B
Additionally,
you've
got
baseline
level
of
sound,
so
you've
got
noise
from
the
surrounding
road
network
and
other
sources
which
provides
masking
sound.
So
you
can
have
a
noise
that
is
quite
loud
when
you
close
up
to
it,
but
with
distance
and
screening
effects
is
below
the
levels
that
are
existing
at
the
receptors.
B
That's
not
to
say
that
it
won't
be
audible
at
times,
but
what
it's
suggesting
is
that,
with
those
measures
in
place,
the
sound
levels
still
accord
with
our
planning
and
noise
guidance,
which
is
for
the
rating
level
to
be
equal
to
or
below
the
background
la-90
level.
So
here
at
the
closest
receptors,
the
sr1
and
2
is
showing
as
minus
four
decibels,
which
is
a
positive
indication
that
there'll
be
a
a
low
impact
at
this
site.
We
would
seek
a
level
of
zero
or
better,
and
this
is
given
a
a
comfortable
margin
below
that
criteria.
M
So
you're
saying
basically,
you
measure
the
noise
at
this
particular
point.
It's
40,
according
to
the
assessment
that
the
the
developers
provided
you
that
you
don't
dispute.
According
to
this,
when
everything
else
is
operating
all
of
these
350
hdv's
680
other
light
vehicles
are
moving.
It's
actually
going
to
be
quieter
than
it
is
as
it
stands
at
this
particular
point
now,
I'm
trying
to
understand
the
science
of
how
it's
going
to
be
quieter
when
there
are
piles
of
hgvs
going
with
according
to
the
developer,
their
reverse
peep
is
going
on.
M
M
B
Sure
I
think
what
what
what's
perhaps
being
confused
is
that
these
vehicles
aren't
going
to
be
operating
all
at
the
same
time,
so
you've
got
a
maximum
number
of
vehicles
that
would
operate
in
an
hour's
period,
but
they
wouldn't
all
be
operating.
At
the
same
time,
the
the
sound
levels
that
are
in
table
7.42
that
that
you're
referring
to
are
the
sound
levels
of
the
vehicles
as
an
hourly
average.
B
So
you
have
a
sound.
So
this
is
taking
the
sound
level
of
the
source
in
question
and
then
we've
got
an
existing
level
of
sound
the
bass
line,
sound
so
which
is
higher
than
what's
being
predicted
here
so,
which
gives
you
a
margin
of
comfort
that
the
sound
will
not
increase
the
overall
ambient
acoustic
environment
in
net.
M
And
now
I'm
more
puzzled
than
I
ever
was
at
this
particular
boy.
You
for
what
you're
telling
me
and
I
accept
entirely.
Naturally,
the
360
350
hcvs,
going
through
the
night,
won't
all
be
going
at
the
same
time
and,
to
be
honest,
residents
might
argue
if
they're
all
going
to
do
it
one
minute
past
each
hour
and
they
all
moved
at
the
same
time.
That
would
be
less
impact
than
them
running
through
every
one
or
two
minutes
is
what
they're
predicting
in
their
particular
table
the
table
that
the
developer
has
provided.
M
I'm
still
struggling
to
understand
with
all
of
these
beepers
going
350
of
them
each
and
every
night
hour
after
hour
after
hour,
how
my
residents
are
not
going
to
hear
it
in
fact,
they're
going
to
be
better
off
because
it's
going
to
be
quieter
according
to
the
tables
and
what
the
developer
is
offering,
which
I'm
I'm
still
struggling
to
understand,
I'm
quite
happy
to
leave
it
there.
Chad,
I
think
I've
made
the
point
that
I
was
trying
to
make.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
and
please
could
you
stay
there
mark
there
may
be
more
questions
on
it.
Robert.
It's
not
unique,
I
have
to
say,
we've
had
up
to
five
times
and
we've
had
three
times
many
many
times
in
over
the
years.
I
know
you're
a
recent
member
to
see
plans
panel,
but
certainly
far
from
unique,
peter.
I
Thank
you
chet.
I
I
had
a
question
really
to
a
couple
of
things.
One
last
time
we
went
round
a
few
times.
I
think
understanding
exactly
what
we
were
signing
off
and
recommending
at
that
point.
I
So
I
wonder
if
we
can
just
have
that
reiterated
what
the
details
are
of
the
recommendation
today,
that's
in
outline
and
the
hybrid
and
as
far
as
I
understand
it
in
terms
of
the
noise
and
the
lighting,
although
we
can
provide
additional
conditions
at
this
stage,
if
we
wish,
we
would
be
looking
at
those
at
the
reserve
matter
stage
when
we'd
know
the
operators
and
the
operations
that
are
proposed
would
would
I
be
able
to
get
some
clarity
on
on
just
those
couple
of
points.
D
Is
it
possible
to
have
side
five
backups?
I
think
it'd
be
easier
just
to
talk
you
through
the
the
parcels
of
land.
If
toby
could
put
that
up,
please.
D
So
the
application
is,
if
the
point
is
working.
No
sorry
isn't
so
the
parcels
of
land.
You
can
see
parcel
one
two
and
three.
That
is
the
subject
of
the
outline
planning
consent,
and
these
are
development
parcels.
K
K
D
Thank
you.
You
can
just
see
where
I'm
pointing
to
here.
So
the
parcels
one
two
and
three
are
the
development
parcels
that
are
subject
to
future
reserved
matters.
This
parameter
plan
gives
you
the
areas
which
are
able
to
be
developed.
It
also
outlines
the
the
different
heights
that
can
be
developed
in
the
different
parcels,
and
it
also
shows
the
area
to
the
north.
This
is
to
be
significantly
landscaped
to,
and
this
section
here
to
provide
buffers
and
the
acoustic
treatment.
D
The
landscaping
is
full
application.
So
what
you'd
be
approving
today
is
the
landscaping,
the
strategic
landscaping
which
is,
and
the
engineering
works
to
ground
levels
to
form
the
mitigation.
The
noise
mitigation
works
and
you'd
be
approving
development
within
these
parcels
of
land
that
are
set
within
the
the
parameters.
D
I
Yeah
I'll,
if
you
don't
mind
I'll
put
it
in
my
own
words
and
come
back
to
you.
So
if
this
passed
technically,
the
developer
could
go
in
and
do
all
of
the
buns
the
trees,
the
ponds,
the
form
flat
plateaus
of
land
for
development
on
and
all
that
work
could
be
started.
I
They
then,
would
have
the
confidence
that
they'd
have
had
max
heights
set
on
those
parcels
that
they
can
come
back
to
us
with
at
reserve
matters.
Does
that?
Does
that
sound
to
you
like,
like
like
what
is
happening
in
that
application?
That's.
D
D
The
elements
in
full
permission
could
be
implemented,
but
what
it
means
is
any
development
of
the
buildings
would
be
reserved
matters
application
and
they
would
then
have
to
look
at
the
end
users
and
their
requirements,
and
this
is
where
you
would
end
up
having
to
assess
the
noise
and
the
the
acoustics
of
those
individual
units,
but
they
would
the
full
up.
Full
permission
does
include
the
three
meter
attenuation
at
noise
attenuation
barrier,
which
is
to
be
along
this
perimeter,
and
does
that?
Is
that
clear?
There's
the
second
question
as
well.
D
I
Does
yes
just
to
clarify
that
last
bit,
then
I
guess,
because
I
think
really
we
focused
on
a
lot
in
the
first
meetings
over
this
and
I'm
a
chair
alluded
to
the
discussion
around
the
leeds
bradford
airport
earlier.
We
spent
some
time
discussing
that
all
at
once,
but
we've
had
quite
some
time
discussing
this
in
different
areas.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
exactly
which
bits
we're
agreeing
and
you
correct
I'll
clarify.
I
So
previously,
when
I
said
things
could
be
implemented,
we're
allowing
david
to
work
on
those
things
through
the
team
with
a
developer
until
they
could
be
put
in
place.
So
we're
obviously
delegating
to
the
chief
bonnie
officer
in
terms
of
things
like
the
vehicle
movements
we're
looking
at
and
the
noise
levels
from
those
will
that
be
something
that
we're
in
fact
dealing
with
at
reserve
matter
stage,
so
that
the
indicative
vehicle
numbers
that
we
were
talking
about
there
at
reserve
matter
stage
when
we
know
what
they
are
building
there.
I
Hopefully
we'll
have
some
further
understanding
of
the
final
end
user.
Will
we
then
be
having
further
discussions
around
that,
because
at
the
moment
that
could
be
a
small
logistics
company
using
vans
or
it
could
be
heavy
goods
vehicles
for
all
we
know
or
it
could
be
industrial
plant
machinery?
We
don't
know
at
the
minute.
What's
on
parcel
three
and
therefore
I'm
I
don't
really
want
to
have
that
discussion
now
if
we
may
be
able
to
have
a
very
detailed
discussion
on
it
in,
however,
many
months
time
is
until
it
comes
back
in
reserve
matters.
D
So,
in
terms
of
the
environmental
statement,
that's
being
produced
is
effectively
a
worst
case
scenario,
so
when
the
reserve
matters
comes
in,
as
we've
just
said,
the
layout
is
will
be
looked
at
at
that
stage,
so
you
may
end
up
with
service
yards
further
into
the
site,
which
would
then
have
an
impact
on
on
the
noise
and
again.
We
would
then
have
further
information
to
thoroughly
assess
at
the
reserve
matters
the
noise
of
those
individual
users.
D
So,
yes,
we
would
get
to
assess
in
more
detail
at
that,
and
but
at
the
moment
this
is
like
say,
the
environmental
statement
has
shown
that
it
needs
landscaping.
It
needs
an
acoustic
attenuation
fence
and
that
those
are
the
initial
measures
but
you're
right.
The
further
final
details
of
each
parcel
of
land
will
come
in
at
the
reserve
matters
and
be
assessed
at
that
stage
in
the
individual
highways
requirements
of
those
particular
units.
I
Sorry
chair,
if
I
can
come
back
on
one
last
one
just
other
things
occurring
to
me,
because
obviously
we
did
have
some
concerns
about
this
at
the
last
time
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
very
clear
on
what
we're
doing
so.
We're
given
those
maximum
heights,
we're
not
talking
about
any
of
the
aesthetics
of
the
building
at
the
moment.
Are
we
so
what
we
saw
there
was
how
far
the
trees
could
mask
that
particular
height.
I
D
A
Thank
you
for
those
questions,
peter,
I
think
it's
drawn
out.
A
lot
of
understanding
from
members
are
reinforced
their
understanding
of
it
and
you're
quite
right
in
what
you
said,
and
thank
you
mark
for
your
your
your
answers.
They
were
very
most
helpful,
any
more
questions.
Or
can
we
move
on
to
comments
question.
N
And
so
it
seems
to
me
that
the
debates
really
devolved
down
to
to
parcel
three
and
in
fact
one
aspect
of
parcel
three,
the
bit
that
faces
the
houses
you
we
you.
It
shows
you're
showing
us
some
mitigation
work
in
the
form
of
tree,
planting,
etcetera
and,
and
they
and
presumably
an
acoustic
fence
when
they
get
around
to
doing
it.
N
Is
there
any
potential
in
that
section
of
land,
for
example,
to
use
some
of
the
material
that
they
will
have
to
move
around
the
site
when
they
level
up
some
of
the
other
areas
to
actually
increase
the
height
of
that
slope,
so
that
in
fact,
I
suppose
all
the
people
who
live
there
would
see
would
be
what
they
see
at
the
moment,
which
is
it
is
in
effect
a
hill.
So
is
there?
Is
there
any
potential
for
increasing
the
amount
of
barrier?
N
Be
it,
I
suppose,
a
soil
barrier
which
you
could
then
plant
up
in
that
particular
area.
D
In
terms
of
at
this
stage,
as
I've
just
said,
this
has
been,
and
that
is
an
outline
application
with
the
those
about
the
topographical
changes
being
forming
the
full
application.
It
hasn't.
You'd
have
to
ask
the
developer,
but,
however,
what
I
would
suggest
is
that
the
landscaping
is
on
that
on
those
buffers
and
to
the
north
of
the
site.
It's
not
it's.
D
That
has
been
designed
to
to
to
make
sure
that
it's
not
only
strategically
placed
to
mitigate
against
visual,
but
it's
also
that
parcel
of
land
to
the
north
is
also
to
do
with
the
drainage,
as
was
discussed
heavily
at
the
the
previous
plans
panels.
So
in
terms
of
the
land
levels
they
have
you'd
have
to
ask
the
developer,
but
it
has
been
designed
for
various.
N
I
think
reasons
I
think
I
understand
what
you're
saying
to
me,
because
there
are
effectively
there
are
three:
there
are
four
parcels
of
land
out
there
there's
one
two
three
and
then
a
bit
which
I
think
you're
referring
to
the
north,
which
is
the
landscaped
area
which
they
put
in
the
drainage
ponds
in.
I
don't
think
we're
really
discussing
that.
I
think
if
you
want
to
get
the
drawing
up,
that
might
that
might
help.
N
In
fact,
I
I'm
I'm,
I'm
simply
referring
to
that.
What
I
suppose
you
described
a
small
triangle
of
land
between
the
area
marked
three
and
the
the
houses,
in
fact
that
exactly
there
at
the
moment,
you've
shown
us
you've
shown
us
two
pitches,
one
with
initial
planting
and
one
after
five
years
or
whatever
it
is,
which
shows
some
tree
growth.
N
The
simple
question
is:
could
you
just
make
the
the
slope
a
bit
steeper
so,
in
effect,
rather
than
waiting
for
the
trees
to
grow,
you,
wouldn't
you
wouldn't
see
the
top
of
a
12
meter
high
or
of
an
18-meter
high
building
from
it?
Couldn't
you.
D
N
N
C
I
think
that
providing
it's
feasible
technically
and
it's
not
going
to
create
any
issues
in
structurally
whatever,
then
it's
definitely
something
we
can
explore
with
the
with
the
applicant
and
and
then,
if,
if
that's
agreed,
we
can
control
it
through
the
planning
consent.
M
Thank
you
chair.
This
has
been
here
several
times
at
this
particular
point.
It
may
may
not
be
unprecedented
depending
on
where
you
actually
sit
on
this
issue,
but
it
is
a
myth
to
think
that
if
you
only
agree,
the
outline
at
this
particular
point
you're
going
to
hold
back
the
whole
flood
of
the
impact
of
this
particular
development,
we're
in
a
situation
where,
after
all,
our
pushing
and
shuffling
and
all
our
efforts,
we've
got
buildings
that
are
12
meters,
sorry
12
feet
lower
than
they
were
when
we
first
started.
M
At
this
particular
point,
we've
had
an
interesting
discussion
about
the
impact
of
lighting,
but
we're
told
don't
worry
about
the
lighting
at
this
particular
point.
We'll
figure
that
out
at
reserved
matters
and
the
fact
that
residents
have
those
concerns
at
this
particular
point
is
something
that
they
don't
need
to
worry
their
little
heads
about
at
this
particular
stage.
M
So
I've
explored
even
further
the
impact
of
sound
and
the
fact
that
you
anybody
thinks
that
350
hgvs
reversing
through
a
night
with
their
beepers
on
and
nobody's
going
to
hear
it
because
of
all
of
the
noise
suppression
items
that
have
been
offered
at
this
particular
point
is
clearly,
in
my
view,
unrealistic
and
is
not
an
accurate
assessment
of
the
impact
it's
likely
to
have
on
the
local
community.
Now
the
local
community
will
tell
you
agreeing
this.
Particular
application
makes
the
people
who
are
resident
toxic
homeless.
M
This
is
an
issue
that
needs
to
be
reflected.
That
may
well
be
a
material
planning
issue.
They
will
tell
you
that
this
is
at
this
particular
point
absorbing
co2
and
at
this
particular
stage
this
application
go
ahead,
we'll
be
pumping
out
co2
like
there's
no
tomorrow
in
breach
of
clearly
our
climate
emergency
declaration.
M
They
will
say
that
you're
in
a
situation
where
this
noise
will
be
intolerable
and
clearly
looking
at
the
information
that's
been
provided
to
us
at
this
particular
point:
you're
going
to
have
24
hour
operation,
you're,
agreeing
24
hour
operation
on
this
outline
you're,
agreeing
logistics
work
on
this
outline
and
your
view
that
somehow
we
can
undo
that
damage
we
can
suppress
that
noise.
Suppress
that
light
sometime
later
on
in
the
game
is,
in
my
view,
fanciful.
M
We
are
in
a
situation
where
I
think
the
residents
accept
that
the
right
type
of
employment
use
is
appropriate.
This
particular
point:
this
is
not
the
right
type
of
employment
use.
This
will
be
big
sheds
operating
24
hours
a
day,
impacting
in
terms
of
the
lighting
impacting
in
terms
of
the
noise.
At
this
particular
point
now,
we
could
go
into
even
further
discussions
about
its
impact
on
the
653
junction
28,
all
the
rest
of
it,
even
highways
england
or
whatever
they
called
at
this
particular
point.
I
still
got
a
holding
objection
on
this
particular
point.
M
B
Councillor
finnegan
was
that,
were
you
officially
putting
a
motion
on
the
table
away,
you're
saying
that
you
will
be
doing
so.
I
will
formally.
B
B
And
if
that
is
seconded
and
voted
upon
and
goes
through,
then
it
is
in
effect.
The
deferral
officers
would
then
go
away
and
draw
up
proposed
reasons
for
refusal,
and
then
that
would
come
back
at
a
later
date.
For
those
reasons
for
refusal
to
be
ratified
by
the
panel.
Just
one
other
thing
to
say.
If
that
is
the
course
of
action
that
the
panel
is
proposing
to
take,
then
officers
will
need
some
clear
guidance
from
members
as
to
what
those
reasons
for
refusal
will
be.
A
It's
not
a
second
one,
okay,
so
that's
on
the
table.
Okay,
I
don't
want
to
curtail
the
debate
because
we
have
quite
a
few
speakers
and
they
should
get
the
opportunity
to
speak.
So
I
will
go
back
to
that
resolution
at
the
containment
and
I
believe
matt.
We
have
to
take
that
one
first,
don't
we
the
amendment?
Okay,
in
the
meantime,
can
I
invite
neil
to
continue.
Please.
F
Thank
you,
chair
just
wanted
to
just
make
where
the
situation
was
clear
and
I
think
mr
hill's
hand
on
his
forehead
when
he's
speaking
then
indicates
why
he's
leaving
us
for
another
post
in
the
council.
F
He's
not
talking
about
as
usual,
very
much
very
true
so
sorry
this.
This
application
has
been
with
us
a
number
of
times
now
and
as
always
city
plans
panel
has
gone
through
it
with
patience
and
diligence.
Not
for
nothing.
Is
this
known
as
a
details
panel,
and
I
think
members
on
all
sides
would
agree
that
this
has
gone
through
considerable
evolution
and
I
think,
to
my
mind,
considerable
improvement.
F
It
is
an
outline
application,
although
it's
sachets
somewhat
into
being
a
hybrid
and
members,
should
take
note
that
a
reserved
application
will
come
before
us
in
due
course,
as
highlighted
by
councillor
carl
hill,
I
would
draw
members
attention
to
the
fact
that
of
the
matters
that
we
wrote,
we
brought
to
light
as
a
panel.
Those
have
all
been
in
effect
answered
by
by
the
applicant
and
officers.
F
I
do
think
that
councillor
campbell's
sensible
idea
to
keep
her
an
open
mind
as
to
height
height
of
bunsen
hills.
Should
we
call
it,
I
think,
he's
an
extremely
sensible
one
chair
and
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
see
that
conditioned
in
that
I
can
see
the
chief
planner
also
fiercely
taking
notes.
I
think
the
more
well
take
a
step
back
from
that
all
part.
All
planning
consents
require
something
from
the
communities
that
they
occur
in,
and
I
think
it's
beholden
on
us
as
a
panel
to
make
sure
of
the
people
of
mali.
F
This
comes
with
the
the
absolute
most
benefits
and
the
absolute
least
costs,
and
I
think
the
light
and
noise
of
the
operations
are
duly
noted
and
the
sensible
ones
to
raise
as
councillor
finnegan
has
done,
and
members
on
both
sides
of
this
panel
have
offered
as
of
officers
and
the
applicant.
Indeed
many
sensible
ameliorations
to
those
costs
and
impacts,
and
I
think
we
should.
We
should
look
very
very
hard
as
a
panel
in
our
conditioning
about
minimizing
the
noise.
F
I
think
that's
a
first
duty
there
and
then
minimizing
the
aesthetics
and
I
do
know
the
reduction
in
height
and
I
do
know,
the
reduction
in
height
doesn't
affect
any
potential
uses,
whether
they
be
logistics,
manufacturing
or
perhaps
new
industries
for
the
21st
century,
chair,
which
I
think
people
would
would
greatly
appreciate.
I
think,
therefore,
given
that
what
can
be
done
at
the
reserve
matters,
and
I
think
that
the
situation
said
before
is,
as
the
officer
said,
this
is
actually
a
worst
case
scenario.
F
What
we've
presented
with
yet
we're
ameliating
that
worst-case
scenario
so
chair
to
to
conclude,
I'm
happy
with
the
the
application
I
set
out
and
a
due
point
after
due
debate
I'll,
be
happy
to
move
the
recommendations.
Chair.
A
Thank
you,
neil,
and
we
will
have
to
have
that
result.
Is
that
a
secondary
resolution
kelly?
Yes,
okay
and
you,
you
want
to
speak
I'll.
Have
you
down
for
speaking
as
well?
L
Thanks
cheer,
we
shouldn't
be
going
in
circles
with
us.
As
far
as
I'm
concerned,
we
haven't
really
moved
involved
since
last
time.
I'm
very
concerned
that
what
we
end
up
with,
as
I
said,
we're
not
it's
it's
not
about
the
development.
I
mean
quite
clearly.
This
land
is
developed
now
and
he's
got
employment,
but
really
it's
how
it
sets
out
on
that
piece
of
land
and
that
plot
near
the
algiers.
L
But
the
issue
is
I:
I
can't
support
what
we've
got
here
on
the
basis
of
what
might
happen
further
down
the
road-
and
I
know
from
past
experience
that
we
have
passed
the
fear
and
it's
come
to
detail,
planning
up
the
detail,
planning
application
and
we
get
told
oh
you've
already
agreed
that.
Well,
I'm
afraid
I
can't
support
it.
A
L
L
I
would
like
to
bet
a
lot
of
money
that
that
will
be
the
layout
that
comes
to
reserve
matters,
so
that
is
what
you're
going
to
get,
and
david
is
right
in
the
sense
of
once
we
approve
it
today
we
approve
logistics,
development,
more
noise,
more
light
pollution
and
more
movements
24
hours
a
day,
and
we
might
say
well
it's
too
much
when
it
comes
back
to
reservoirs.
The
light
might
be
too
bright,
but
we
will
still
have
to
have
light
on
that
side.
L
If
we're
having
a
bigger
bun,
let's
have
it
now
and
have
the
trees
planted
on
it
now,
rather
than
because
that's
what
we
are
approving
the
landscaping
plan,
we
are
proving
that
in
full
that's
set
in
stone.
If
we
come
back
and
say
we
want
a
bigger
bond
in
12
months
time
or
six
months
time,
they
will
say
no.
L
You
approved
that
last
time,
they'll
absolutely
say
that
and
they'll
be
in
their
rights
to
say
that
so
members
have
to
be
comfortable
with
landscaping,
because
that's
a
full
application-
and
I
think
personally,
members
have
to
be
happy
with
the
layout
and
they
have
to
be
happy
with
more
noise
and
more
light
or
not
vote
for
it.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
paul
peter.
Please.
I
Thanks
jeff
neil
said
a
bit
of
what
I
was
gonna
do,
because
I
think
there
were
many
discussions
we
could
have
had
here
today
that
we
had
last
time-
and
I
seem
to
remember
it
was
myself
that
proposed
that
we
bring
it
back
for
the
detail,
and
that
was
around
noise
lighting
and
the
the
concerns
around
the
height
of
that
that
that
one
plot
three
is
it
called:
we've
had
the
height
of
plot
three
reduced,
which
I
think
makes
a
a
significant
difference
actually
because
it
was
previously
coming
up
above
the
trees.
I
Now
there's
a
small
sliver
of
it.
So
I
think
we've
come
some
way
the
light
and
the
noise
I've
been
satisfied
that
are
the
worst,
the
worst
that
we
can
see
will
still
be
planning
acceptable.
So
I
mean
we
had
discussions
about
other
things
in
the
meeting
that
I
may
not
have
been
100
happy
with
on
this
site.
I
There
was
a
discussion
around
the
use
of
the
green
belt
with
the
ponds
as
some
of
the
attenuation,
but
it
was
proven
to
me
quite
rightly
that
that
wasn't
something
that
we
could
have
refused
this
on,
because
that
is
seen
as
acceptable
development
within
the
green
belt,
and
so
I
think,
when
we're
looking
at
the
noise
in
the
lighting.
I
All
of
this
meets
policy
at
the
case
that
we've
been
shown-
and
I
don't
see
what
reasons
I
would
therefore
have
to
refuse
this-
whether
or
not
I'm
perfectly
happy
with
it
going
as
it
is
or
not.
There's
a
lot
of
work.
We
can
do
at
the
detail
stage.
There
was
conversation
about
the
the
carbon
impact
of
it,
but
we
had
that
conversation
previously
where
it's
a
zero
development,
and
I
think
we
were
quite
complimentary
about
that
at
the
time
and
they
went
into
detail
around
how
that
was
going
to
be
covered.
I
So,
in
terms
of
where
I
am
I'm
happy
that
we
take
this
through
to
the
next
stage
that
conversation
about
the
bond
is
one
that
seems
a
sensible
one
to
have,
but
I'd
be
happy
to
leave
it
with
the
chief
planning
officer
to
do
what
he
can
around
there
and
and
to
delegate
that
to
officers,
and
I
think
that
they'd
have
heard
of
that.
But
as
far
as
I
see
this
is
a
a
scheme
that
meets
planning
policy.
J
Yeah
yeah,
I
mean
I
just
I
disagree
with
council
of
finnegan's
particular
points
this.
This
is
a.
This
is
a
proposal.
That's
you
know
it's
much
improved.
We've
got
just
just
draw
everyone's
attention
to
page
18
and
19..
J
The
this
conditions
proposed
here,
including
noise
mitigation
schemes
to
be
implemented
prior
to
the
first
use
of
the
relevant
building
and
retain,
after
in
good
order
for
the
lifetime
of
the
development
like
so
so.
In
terms
of
in
terms
of
noise,
I
feel,
like
that's
been
covered,
and
I
agree
with
with
my
colleagues
on
this
side
of
the
table
that
we've
it's
much
improved
and
there's
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
reason
to
turn
this
one
down.
I
think
I
think
we
should
really
welcome
the
reduction
in
height.
K
Thank
you
chair,
so,
let's
turn
initially
to
the
height,
because
that
was
something
I
had
a
particular
concern
with
last
time.
I
think
we've
got
to
accept
that
the
height
is
improved,
I
mean
12,
foot
is
12,
foot
is
12
foot
and
the
fact
that
that's
come
down
to
what
to
me
seems
to
be
a
far
more
sensible
height
is
positive
and
it's
positive
movement
there's
a
reason.
K
As
colleagues
probably
know,
one
of
my
the
business
I
used
to
run
was
a
logistics
business,
so
I
have
quite
a
significant
level
of
knowledge
when
it
comes
to
this
type
of
operations,
and
so
my
deep
concern
really
comes
down
to
the
noise,
because
the
noise
in
that
location,
whatever
documentation
is,
it
is
going
to
have
on
a
night
time
a
significant
impact
on
residential
immunity
because,
while
it
may,
while
there
is
a
background
noise,
it's
a
noise
differential,
and
so
it's
that
different.
K
It's
a
bit
like
if
you
live
near
an
airport
you'll,
get
used
to
the
fact
that
there'll
be
aeroplanes
flying
over
even
even
after
leeds
bradford
decided
not
to
go
ahead
with
what
we
approved,
but
but
then,
if
you
throw
in
a
different
noise
like
a
tractor
that
will
stand
out
because
it's
a
different
type
of
background
noise
and
that's
my
concern
with
this,
the
reversing
beepers
that
we
will
have
at
all
hours
of
the
day,
because
this
is
a
24
7
operation
are
great
of
a
great
concern
to
me
and,
and
while
I
am
pleased
that
there
are
attempts
to
address
that
for
me
that
isn't
sufficient
the
outline
approval,
we
are
giving
still
accepts
a
significant
impact
on
residential
immunity
because
of
the
hours
of
operation
of
the
site.
K
I
I
have
to
confess,
and-
and
I
realize
my
my
popularity
in
morley
might
be
about
to
take
a
dip.
K
I
think
they're,
I'm
hugely
popular
right
across
the
city.
Neil,
it's
a
it's!
It's
something
that
staggers
me
as
much
as
others,
but
there
were
you.
Yes,
that
is
from
when
I
was
a
stand-up
comedian.
I
will
miss
you
on
this
panel.
You
know
like
a
rash,
but
I
I
I
think
the
reality
is.
This
is
approved
as
it's
approved
as
an
employment
site,
and
this
is
an
acceptable
type
of
employment.
K
It
might
not
be
desirable,
but
it's
acceptable
and
the
height
of
the
sheds
is
now
sensible
and
therefore
I
I
really
struggle
to
argue
with
that
element.
I
think
councillor
campbell's
suggestion
around
the
bund
absolutely
be
incorporated
and
again
the
landscaping
is
being
approved
today,
that's
not
outlined
so
for
me,
we
should
be
making
that
clear
that,
from
our
perspective,
that
needs
to
be
carried
forward
in
terms
of
increasing
the
height
of
the
bund,
because
that
will
mitigate
the
height
of
the
sheds.
K
N
N
N
Okay
and
we've
heard
that
the
their
noise
attenuation
works
meet
policy.
So
none
of
those
things
would
stand
up
an
appeal.
N
Okay
highways
isn't
really
an
issue,
but
I
think
I
know
the
highways
agency,
whatever
they
call
themselves,
I'm
a
holding
objection,
but
that's
that's
that's
suitable,
so
I'm
trying
to
find
what
are
the
reasons
for
turning
this
down
and
I've
made
a
suggestion
in
relation
to
screening
for
the
for
the
houses.
N
So
if
you've
got
a
situation
where
you
can't
see
the
thing,
then
that
in
itself
will
reduce
the
issue
in
relation
to
noise
and
light,
you
have
to
face
facts,
don't
you?
We
know
it's
an
employment
side.
Therefore
there
will
be
noise
and
there
will
be
lights
because
that's
the
way
employment
sites
are
they
light
it
up.
So
they
can
see
what
they're
doing
they.
Don't
I've
never
heard
of
an
employment
site
that
doesn't
have
any
lights.
N
So
there's
going
to
be
lights
of
that
now,
I
think
we've
made
it
very,
very,
very
clear:
haven't
we
that
we
would
expect
a
scheme
to
come
forward
that
addresses
that
and
we
would
need
to
be
very.
We
knew
we
would
need
to
be
convinced
that
the
light
pollution-
and
there
will
be
some
because
you'll
see
a
glow
in
the
sky-
let's
face
it,
but
then,
where
I
live,
you
can
see
a
glow
in
the
sky
from
the
rest
of
leeds.
So
you
know
you
learn
to
live
with
it.
N
N
There
will
be
some
noise,
but
I
wish
you'd
been
as
enthusiastic
when
I
was
complaining
about
a
night
flying
at
the
airport,
but
there
we
are,
there
will
be
some
noise,
but
there
are
measures
that
can
be
taken
to
reduce
the
impact
of
that
to
the
various
minimum.
That's
what
we're
saying
we
want
it
reduced
to
the
barest
minimum.
N
Now
I
I
appreciate
that
reversing
lori's
beep,
but
I
was
thinking
when
you
were
talking
about
it.
My
new
car
beeps,
when
I
reverse,
and
I'm
just
wondering
when
the
neighbors
are
going
to
start
complaining
when
I'm
backing
out
the
drive,
that's
been
flipping,
but
the
bottom
line
is
there
will
be
that
noise
and
we
we
recognize
that
we
will
do
something
about
it.
So
I
cannot
see
a
reason
for
turning
this
down,
which
means,
with
some
reluctance,
I'd
support.
It.
G
The
only
thing
I'd
add
to
that,
because
I
agree
with
colin's
analysis.
There
is,
I'm
often
very
disappointed
with
landscaping
schemes
when
I
actually
see
them
planted
and
done
up
because
they
don't
look
anything
like
they
look
on
the
cgi's.
C
A
C
G
Where
I
was
coming
from,
I
I
lived
near
the
e-law.
I
live
kind
of
near,
where
the
edge
of
that
is
and
where
some
landscaping
was
was
planned
in
and
it
and
it's
not
good
at
all,
it's
very
thinned
out
and
it's
it's
absolutely
not
substantial
enough
and,
in
my
view,
doesn't
screen
it
sufficiently.
Now.
I'm
sure
that,
on
the
on
the
plans
we
all
agreed
it
looked
as
if
it
was
a
good
buffer
and
it
was
landscaped
in
and
it
was
conditioned
and
all
the
rest
of
it.
N
Thanks
caroline,
it's
could
we
just
condition
that
they
did
the
landscaping
before
they
did
anything
else.
C
I
I
I
would
think
that
the
landscaping
and
the
significant
works
to
the
green
space
areas
will
have
a
cost
attached
to
them.
That
cost
probably
has
to
be
paid
by
the
benefits
of
the
development.
So
I
I
don't
think
we
can
insist
that
that's
done
before
the
development
is
actually
begun
in
in
terms
of
the
buildings
happy
for
colleagues
to
come
in.
On
that.
D
Just
to
yes,
I
would
agree
with
delgia
on
that,
but
I
think
it's
maybe
important
to
say
that
the
details
in
the
actual
original
application
was
for
10
000
trees
that
weren't
they
had
various
girths
and
heights
of
significant
heights.
I
think
there's
two
to
three
meters
in
there
and
accordingly,
that
will
be
part
of
the
landscaping
conditions
and
we
we
can
make
sure
that
those
details
that
have
been
put
forward
in
this
application,
the
applicant
is-
is
tied
to
that.
H
It
would
be
good
to
when
this
comes
back,
to
know
that
someone
with
a
real
expert
eye
on
the
type
of
tree
and
landscaping
from
from
the
authority
has
had
a
chance
to
see
it
and
to
come
and
actually
to
panel
and
answer
any
questions
that
we
may
have
on
that.
So
that
we
can
be
absolutely
convinced
that
it's
going
to
work.
C
D
A
Yeah,
I
think
that's
my
most
helpful
mark
yep.
Okay,
we
have
two
resolutions
before
us.
We
have
council
wall,
shaw
and
councillor
brooks
who
have
moved
the
officer's
recommendation
and
councillor
finnegan
and
councillor
blackburn
has
moved
an
alternative
resolution.
A
M
That
we
refuse
this
particular
application
on
the
grounds
of
its
impact
on
residential
immunity,
certainly
to
do
with
light
and
noise,
its
impact
on
residential
immunity
because
of
the
height
and
the
size
of
the
buildings,
and
that
it
is
contrary
to
this
city
council's
declaration
of
a
climate
emergency.
M
B
I'm
very
sorry
to
be
pedantic
councillor
finnegan.
Are
you
content
for
that
motion
to
be
a
motion
that
the
panel
is
minded
to
refuse,
rather
than
outright
refusal.
M
You
telling
me
legally
that
I
have
to
say
minded
instead
of
just
refuse
that
thing,
then
at
that
particular
point
I
will
take
that
legal
advice.
My
own
personal
view
is,
you
know,
split
its
throat
and
let's
kill
it
off,
but
if
you're
saying
that
we
have
to
be
minded
to
actually
do
that
and
that's
the
legal
advice
then
I
will
happily
say
we
are
minded
to
refuse
it
and
send
the
officers
away
to
reflect
on
it.
M
A
Thank
you
matt.
We
we're
certainly
gonna
miss
your
advice,
but
thank
you
anyway.
Andy.
Are
you
clear
on
that
resolution?
How
it's
now
been
worth
it?
Okay?
So
if
we
move
on
to
council
finnegan's
resolution,
all
those
in
favor,
please
show.
A
Seven,
okay,
so
moving
on
to
councilworld,
shows
support
for
the
officer's
recommendation
seconded
by
council
brooks
all
those
in
favor.
Please
show
okay
and
we
will
be
adding
the
condition
but
I'll
bring
I'll
bring
a
doujin
in
the
sum
up
on
that
one.
So
all
those
in
favor.
A
The
same
vote:
okay,
dalzia.
Can
I
ask
you
to
sum
up,
please.
C
So
after
considerable
debate,
where
it
was
clear
that
some
members
recognized
the
the
improvements
that
have
been
made
since
this
item
first
came
to
panel,
whilst
others
clearly
thought
not
enough
had
been
done.
Despite
panels
deliberations,
it's
clear
that
the
motion
to
agree
the
officer's
recommendation
has
been
carried
aft
after
a
vote.
C
In
addition
to
the
to
the
recommendation,
the
report,
we
will
have
an
extra
condition
to
control
the
details
of
the
reverse
lights
and
we
will
also
have
discussions
with
the
applicant
on
the
possibility
and
potential
for
increasing
the
bond
height
to
the
nearest
residential
properties.
Actually,
I
don't
think
we.
C
Well,
I
think
I
think,
subject
to
that,
not
creating
any
other
issues.
Then
I
think
that's
something
we'll
we'll
pursue
with
the
applicants.
Hopefully
that's
an
accurate
summary.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
A
Could
you
turn
the
page
117
agenda
item
eight
and
can
I
introduce?
Can
I
ask
sarah
to
introduce
this
item?
Please.
Q
Thank
you,
chair
I'll,
just
check
that
this
is
actually
going
to
move
on
for
me.
No,
it's
not
toby
I'll.
Tell
you
after
to
ask
you
to
move
it
on.
I
think
it's
still
not
working.
Probably
I
was
just
it
was
just
slow.
Okay.
I
will
go
back
to
the
beginning
right,
okay,
just
to
started
off
members
in
terms
of
what
you're
looking
at
so
we've
had
a
previous
pre-app.
So
some
members
were
party
to
that.
Not
everybody
a
bit
of
aware.
Q
So,
hopefully
we
can
bring
members
up
to
speed
and
there's
also
the
minutes
in
the
report
from
that
pre-app
as
well,
for
this
residential
scheme
setting
landscaping
and
with
immunity
space.
So
it
is
purely
residential,
there's
no
other
uses
in
there.
Apart
from
immunity
for
the
residential
scheme,
I'm
just
moving
on
to
where
the
site
is
so.
The
site
is
the
little
red
line
boundary
at
the
bottom,
and
this
is
just
indicating
its
to
the
major
parts
of
the
city
center,
so
the
the
station
and
other
kind
of
hubs
within
the
city's
city
center.
Q
Q
At
present,
our
most
recent
use
has
been
as
a
surface
car
park
and
it's
been
a
fallout
for
some
time
that
was
a
temporary
car
park
and
it's
always
been
included
as
a
potential
site
for
redevelopment
and
it's
in
our
site
allocation
plan
for
residential
potential
use
so
moving
to
the
next
one.
Q
This
gives
you
a
bit
more
of
the
context,
so
the
site
is
in
blue
on
there
and
on
your
paper
versions,
and
this
can
kind
of
gives
you
more
kind
of
context
of
where
it
is,
and
you
can
see
that
there's
an
arrow
pointing
next
to
the
blue,
there's
an
arrow
pointing
to
a
tall
building,
which
is
the
midland
mills
tower
that
got
consented
at
panel
previously,
and
so
we
have
a
tall
building
there.
Next
to
a
listed
building,
which
is
midland.
Mills
and
this
site
sits
next
to
that
as
well.
Q
And
what
the
scheme
is
bringing
forward
is
a
development
that
wraps
itself
around
the
site
from
what
the
water
lane
edge
right
round
to
the
back
and
it's
a
residential
scheme
of
375
dwellings,
all
apartments
and
in
terms
of
the
mix
we've
got
200
one
bedroom,
144,
two
bedrooms
and
36
three
bedrooms,
so
that
gives
10
for
the
three
bedrooms,
which
obviously
is
a
key
upgrade
for
members
that
manage
they
managed
to
achieve
recent
recent
panels,
which
is
great,
so
they
there's
accords
with
that.
Q
It
also
has
three
internal
community
spaces,
communal
immunity,
spaces
and
then
various
external
spaces
of
landscaping.
That
I'll
show
you
as
we
go
through
and
then
car
parking
as
well
as
that
and
you
can
see,
there's
like
a
green
strip
along
the
edge
so
in
terms
of
the
surface
area
and
the
site's
not
huge,
but
we
do
have
a
landscaped
edge
on
the
two
little
circles.
The
larger
of
those
two
is
actually
a
podium
piece
of
landscaping
as
well,
which
I'll
indicate
as
we
go
through
before
I
move
on
to
more
detail.
Q
I
just
want
to
kind
of
allude
to
a
couple
of
things
that
are
in
the
report
and
you'll
note:
we've
got
brian
mcguire
here,
which
is
the
district
valuer.
So
in
terms
of
what's
in
their
reply
report,
there's
been
a
financial
viability
appraisal
and
you
can
see
that
detailed
in
the
report,
where
brian
has
assessed
that
and
and
come
up
with
three
options
for
you
to
have
a
look
at
on
that
in
terms
of
the
section
106
obligations.
Q
Also
in
the
report,
I've
referred
to
the
fact
that
I'll
verbally
update
you
on
the
hsc
fire
strategy
situation.
So
what's
happened.
There
is
that
the
fire
strategy
has
been
updated
and
the
hse
has
responded
again,
but
it's
still
not
quite
right.
There's
some
still
some
technical
details
that
they
need
clarity
on
to
allow
them
to
actually
move
away
from
their
objections.
So
it's
things
like
the
there's,
been
an
introduction
of
doors
to
address
some
of
the
fire
issues,
but
it's
not
clear
why?
For
the
hsc?
Why
those?
Q
Why
those
doors
will
do
that
and
then
there's
an
issue
about
a
distance
in
one
of
the
corridors,
so
in
terms
of
determination,
we're
asking
you
to
defer
and
delegate
that
back
to
us
not
only
for
the
normal
section,
106
and
conditions,
but
also
to
conclude
the
hsc
issue
and
if
it
doesn't
get
concluded.
Obviously
it
will
come
back
to
panel.
Q
So-
and
this
is
just
kind
of
you
can
see
in
your
pack-
it's
just
a
kind
of
iteration
of
what
they
kind
of
progress
to
show
that
there's
been
pre-application
discussions,
including
panel,
and
that
the
scheme
has
evolved
as
a
result
of
that-
and
this
is
kind
of
the
first
look
at
the
land
layout
of
the
site
in
a
bit
more
detail
where
you
can
see
the
built
form
and
it
it's
a
building
that
wraps
around
from
to
the
lowest
part
being
two
stories
up
to
26
stories.
Q
So
it
says
ground
and
25
on
there
on
the
tallest
part,
and
this
also
gives
you
a
first
idea
of
that-
the
landscaping
details
and
the
fact
that
we're
getting
trees
on
the
site,
which
we
didn't
have
another
planting
that
that
wasn't
evident
there
before
I'll
come
back
a
bit
more
landscaping
and
then,
in
terms
of
massing.
This
is
the
blue
block
showing
the
building's
heights
again,
as
I
say
it,
kind
of
wraps
around
the
site.
Q
So
it
wraps
around
the
front
of
lands,
not
landslide
water
lane,
and
then
the
high
point
is
at
the
rear
to
create
that
mirroring
effect
with
midland
tower.
That's
consented
at
the
back
there
and
to
bookend
the
mill.
Q
This
also
shows
you
the
emerging
bit
more
of
the
emerging
context
of
other
tall
buildings
in
the
area
that
have
got
consent
and
then
they've
done
moved
on
to
key
views
of
it
from
a
a
distance.
So
we
asked
them
to
do
particular
ones
that
we
thought
were
where
we
could
actually
see
the
building
from,
because
I
think
there's
areas
where
we
didn't
feel
it
was
of
significance
or
it
became
part
of
the
skyline.
Q
With
other
taller
buildings
so
view,
one
is
from
across
the
river
and
canal,
so
whitehole
road
area
view
two
is
from
the
west
looking
across
from
halbeck
lane.
In
the
end
of
waterlane
view,
three
is
looking
across
temple
works
view
four
is
from
sweet
street
and
then
view
five
is
looking
from
the
side
of
the
grove
pub
along
back
row.
Q
So
we
think
these
are
the
key
ones
where
you
actually
see
it
in
the
skyline
and
against
the
backdrop
of
other
buildings
in
the
area,
including
other
taller
buildings
in
the
area
that
we've
got,
consent
for
and
then
kind
of,
moving
back
to
the
layout
of
the
site
and
the
landscaping.
This
gives
you
a
bit
more
detail
the
landscaping
a
bit
more
kind
of
zoomed
in
so
you
can
see.
Q
There's
a
tree-lined
route
along
the
edge
of
the
site
where
it
boots
up
to
midland
mills
and
members
who
were
on
site
will
will
recall.
They
had
a
discussion
this
morning
about
the
wall,
and
this
came
up
a
pre-app
stage
as
well
in
terms
of
the
opportunities
to
take
down
that
wall
between
midland
mills
and
the
sites.
At
the
moment,
there's
a
really
tall,
brick
wall
there,
which
is
a
bit
of
a
block
between
the
two
sites.
It
is
part
of
the
midland
middle
sites
site,
not
part
of
this
site.
Q
However,
both
the
developer
for
this
site
and
midland
mills
are
both
on
board
with
the
idea
of
breaking
through
that,
whether
it
be
removable
fully
or
breaking
through
in
certain
points
along
the
wall.
So
we
can
create
a
connection
through
into
midland
mills
and
beyond
to
bath
road,
because
from
the
middle
of
the
mills
you
can
get
through
under
the
viaduct
of
bath
road.
So
that
is
the
one
of
the
aims
that
we'd
kind
of
like
to
push
the
developers
on
both
sides
to
keep
in
mind.
Q
That
would
be
a
really
positive
addition
to
the
scheme
and
then,
in
terms
of
this
being
the
the
lowest
level.
So
you
can
see
the
kind
of
pinky
corally
orangy
bit,
that
is
the
immunity
space
inside
the
building
and
then
the
blue
pale
blue
is
the
cycle
store
and
then
the
white
inside
the
building
is
under
croft
car
parking
with
a
little
bit
external
and
a
delivery
space
external
there's.
Q
Also,
a
drop
off
lay
by
on
water
lane
created
as
well
as
works
of
footwear
and
some
speed
cushions
on
the
road
there
and
then
there's
other
areas
of
landscaping
as
well.
So
there's
an
area
to
the
rear
of
the
building,
which
is
not
really
a
public
space,
it's
more
of
a
private
space
for
residents
to
use,
and
it
it's
also
there's
a
an
area
there
where
you
can
see
where
there's
more
bushes
and
trees,
where
it's
actually,
it
changes
level
and
rises
to
the
viaduct.
And
then,
when
we're
on
site.
Q
We
talked
about
distances
in
around
those
those
three
areas,
so
at
the
entrance
point
to
the
site
where
vehicles
enter
and
you
and
pedestrians
enter
it's
approximately
27
meters
in
width,
depending
on
where
about
you,
are
and
then
from
the
building
back
to
that
wall
to
midland
mills.
We've
got
21
well
over
21
meters,
then
along
the
side
of
the
site,
where
you
would
walk
up
the
side
of
midland
mills.
We've
got
about
4.7
meters
and
then
in
that
more
private
space
up
to
the
viaduct
side
and
these
the
wall
to
that
side.
Q
Q
I
do
have
paper
copies
if
members
want
to
see
those,
but
again,
we've
got
an
immunity
space
at
this
upper
level,
and
here
we've
also
got
that
upper
podium
level
on
top
of
the
car
park
and
there's
some
kind
of
ideas
at
the
side
there
in
those
bubbles
that
what
that
space
could
be
and
we've
got
cgi
as
well
of
that
space
in
terms
of
the
car
parking
you'll,
see
that
there's
46
car
parking
spaces
in
there.
Q
Q
Q
We've
got
a
good
mixer,
53
percent
one
bed,
thirty
seven,
two
beds
and
ten
percent
three
beds
and
they're
all
called
with
the
space
standards,
and
these
are
indicative
layouts
at
the
bottom
of
those
units,
the
one
two
and
three
beds,
and
in
there
you
can
see
even
in
the
one
bed,
we've
got
a
two
person
a
bed.
Q
We've
got
a
double
bed,
so
in
terms
of
space
that
we're
kind
of
achieving
that
option,
for
being
it
being
a
one
person
or
two
person
in
the
one
bed
and
then
to
the
other
side.
You
probably
see
better
in
your
packs
than
on
the
screen,
but
that
just
tells
you
the
space
for
the
communal
spaces.
So
internally
it
amounts
to
700
square
meters
and
externally
it's
975
square
meters
of
immunity
space
and
then
this
is
just
kind
of
there's
the
start
of
looking
at
the
building's
architecture
and
the
contextual
approach.
Q
Q
So
in
terms
of
that
they're,
looking
at
very
regular
grid,
building
really
kind
of
strong
warehouse
type
grid,
patterning
with
deep
recesses
and
a
calm,
subtle
change
in
color
in
the
brick
palettes.
It
is
predominantly
brick
but
there's
a
subtle
shift
in
the
color.
So
hence
there's
the
two
tones
of
blue
in
there
and
then
a
bit
of
detailing
in
that
brick
away.
Q
So
we've
got
some
vertical
ribbing
there
next
to
the
windows
in
that
brickwork
to
give
a
bit
more
visual
interest
to
them,
and
there
are
also
balconies
as
well
on
some
of
the
levels
which
the
there's
a
little
view
at
the
end
of
some
of
the
balconies.
Q
And
then
these
are
kind
of
the
elevation
views
so
looking
into
the
site.
So
this
is
looking
if
you
walked
into
the
site
and
you
were
looking
at
the
end
of
the
building
with
the
podium
and
the
car
park,
and
midland
mills
is
to
the
side
and
then
looking
along
the
view
from
water
lane
and
then
the
other
view
from
the
opposite
side
and
then
from
the
rear
and
then
just
to
finish
off.
Q
We've
got
two
cgi's,
so
this
is
from
the
entry
point
and
obviously
here
we
can
start
to
see
some
of
the
balconies
that
would
be
on
there
and
some
of
the
landscaping.
Clearly,
these
are
quite
mature,
looking
trees,
obviously
that
we
always
get
this
officials,
don't
we
were
getting
mature,
looking
trees.
So
you
know
in
terms
of
kind
of
what
they
would
look
like
on
day
one.
Q
That's
it's
really
important
that
we
get
some
quality
in
there
to
get
that
feel,
and
then
again
this
is
a
second
cgi
showing
the
podium
landscaped
area
and
what
that
could
potentially
be
again.
All
of
those
details
would
be
subject
to
conditions
for
the
landscaping
and
for
its
management
and
all
the
details,
such
as
the
planting,
the
species,
the
size,
the
furniture
in
the
landscape,
areas,
etc,
and
so,
in
summary,
chair
officers.
Think
this
is
a
positive
addition
and
kind
of
develops.
A
Thank
you,
sarah,
and
we
can't
leave
you.
Let
you
go
just
yet.
There
will
be
questions,
I'm
sure.
So,
if
you
remain,
can
I
bring
brian
in
at
this
time
the
district
valuer
you've
all
got
his
report
on
his
comments.
So
let
brian
speak
to
her
and
again
he's
available
for
questions.
P
Thank
you
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
run
you
through
the
brief
timeline
and
and
some
of
the
key
work
that
we
did
to
assess
the
viability
of
the
scheme.
P
The
applicant
originally
submitted
their
viability,
appraisal
dated
and
it
was
dated
the
9th
of
march
and
in
that
viability
appraisal
it
had
a
cost
plan
which
sets
out
the
construction
cost
of
the
scheme,
and
that
was
dated
the
6th
of
january
now,
as
I've
often
told
you
in
the
past,
my
role
is
to
advise
the
committee
and
the
local
authority
whether
the
information
in
their
viability
report
is
reasonable.
P
P
We've
got
to
be
independent
and
if
we
think
something's
wrong
or
not
quite
right,
let's
say
we've
got
to
highlight
that
so
your
independent
cost
consultant
rex,
proxy's
rex
procter
and
partners
who
advise
on
the
cost
element
reviewed
the
cost
plan
and
one
of
the
first
things
they
said.
Look.
This
cost
plan
is
out
of
date.
P
We
reviewed
that,
but
subsequent
delays
and
and
not
coming
before
the
committee
they
needed
to
submit
another
cost
plan
on
the
20th
of
june,
because
costs
were
going
up
there.
I
say
on
a
monthly
basis
and
to
give
you
a
bit
of
background
in
in
round
terms.
P
So,
but
to
reassure
you,
these
cost
plans
are
independently
reviewed
by
a
firm
of
quantity
surveyors
who,
who
are
also
in
the
marketplace,
who
know
what
what's
happening
with
construction
costs
at
the
coal
face.
Let's
say
you
know
they're
actually
seeing
it
in
the
market,
so
they
submitted
a
report
to
myself.
P
Just
confirming
that
again,
what
they're
saying
is
reasonable
that
that
that's
what
they're,
seeing
and
then
and
the
maybe
inflationary
pressures
going
forward
for
another
year
or
so,
but
that's
another
matter
in
terms
of
the
original
report
that
was
submitted
by
the
developer,
that
their
consultant
was
saying
that
the
scheme
was
unviable,
it
couldn't
provide
any
affordable
housing.
P
P
I
concentrate
on
the
revenues
and
at
that
point
we
start
looking
at
what
are
their
projected
rents.
What
are
the
running
costs
in
the
scheme?
What
professional
fees
are
they
proposing
and
what
profit
level
their
their
type?
What's
their
target
profit
level?
So
I
can
answer
specific
questions,
but
I
won't
run
you
through
the
the
last
four
months
of
working
on
it,
but
we've
increased.
We've
we've
put
a
case
forward
to
say
that
maybe
some
of
your
rents
are
a
little
bit
low
when
the
building
subsequently
lets.
P
We've
also
looked
at
the
operating
costs,
because
the
model
here
is
the
landlord
rents
the
apartments
out,
but
the
landlord
also
has
to
pay
for
all
the
heating,
cleaning,
insurance,
etc
in
terms
of
operating
the
building.
So
you
have
a
gross
rent
for
the
total
rental
value
of
the
entire
building,
but
off
that
you
have
to
take
some
operating
costs.
P
Fortunately,
we
were
able
to
get
we,
we
turned
around
this
deficit
of
8.9
million
and
and
was
able
to
demon
and
were
able
to
demonstrate
that
it
could
in
fact
support
some
affordable
housing,
some
section
106
costs
and
still-
and
in
my
in
the
report
that
you've
got
in
front
of
you
on
page
page,
one
you'll
see
that
at
the
bottom,
I've
given
three
options
so
on
it
with
con
in
consultation
with
your
planning
officer
and
and
what
have
you
we
said
well,
look
there
is
a
pot
of
money
available
to
put
towards
affordable
section,
106
and
sill,
and
if
it
helps
you
as
decision
makers
and
and
it
gives
the
developer
options
as
well,
we'll
set
out
what
could
be
done
here
so
under
option.
P
One.
We're
saying
that
the
scheme
could
effectively
support
3.2
percent,
affordable
and
sill
of
a
hundred
and
seventy
nine
thousand
two
hundred
and
thirty
four.
Now
that
that's
12
units,
but
it
wouldn't
contribute
to
any
section.
106
costs
so
option.
Two
basically
expresses
the
surplus
as
two
figures,
which
is
the
sill
179
234
and
another
pot
of
money
which
could
just
go
towards
section
106,
which
is
408
750,
so
we're
saying
on
option:
2
you're
not
going
to
get
any
affordable.
If
that's
the
option,
that's
favored
now.
P
P
C
C
He
said
this
is
how
much
surplus
money
there
is
in
the
scheme,
and
these
are
the
options
for
how
you
can
divide
that
up
in
this
location,
where
we're
trying
to
support
more
sustainable
modes
of
transport
where
we're
accepting
a
low
level
of
car
parking
and
where
one
of
the
ways
to
deal
with
the
lack
of
a
private
car
for
every
individual
is
to,
for
example,
support
the
car
club
scheme.
C
We
think
it's
important
to
have
some
money
set
aside
for
that
and
that's
the
reason
we're
we're
in
effect,
promoting
or
preferring
option
three
recommending
option
three
to
members.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Thank
you
dolce.
Thank
you.
Brian.
There
will
be
questions
from
members
now
so
could
you
remain?
I'm
sure
there'll
be
some
directed
at
you,
but
thank
you
for
all
your
hard
work,
it's
very
diligent
and
very
readable
and
very
understandable
as
usual,
but
thank
you
and
as
I,
as
you
said,
and
I
didn't
say
to
me,
you
are
an
independent
organization.
A
Okay,
before
I
start,
can
I
invite
the
applicants
andrew
windross
and
to
come
forward
and
sit
at
the
back
as
usual.
There
are
no
objections
from
the
public,
so
they
may
as
well
be
there
if
members
have
questions
to
them
and
they
may
well
have.
J
Thanks
chair,
so
I
think
first
of
all
thank
you,
brian
for
all
your
work
on
clawing
back
some
of
that
money
and
finding
where
it
where
it
was
had
gone.
I
don't
know
finding
that
surplus.
I
suppose,
is
there
any
way
if,
if
the,
if
the.
J
Economic
situation
changes:
is
there
any
way
of
clawing
back
any
more
contributions
or
have
we
got
to
take
it
as
written
in
the
report?
Even
if
there's
a
if
there's
a
big
change
in
the
next
few
months,
between
this
being
passed
and
like
possibly
being
passed,
I
suppose
and
being
being
built
out
and
and
also
what?
J
What
will
the
sustainable
travel
firm?
What
what
kind
of
thing
are
we
talking
about
with
that,
because
if
the
majority
of
the
people
living
there
are
just
walking
or
using
public
transport,
what
what
exactly
is
is
that
going
to
achieve?
Because
from
what
I
can
gather
where
it
is,
most
people
just
be
walking
to
work
or
just
hopping
on
a
bus.
A
There's
probably
another
number
of
people
who
could
come
in
and
answer
that
maybe
I'll
bring
julian
first
on
sustainable
travel
and
then
maybe
the
applicants
and
brian
or
sarah
might
want
to
chip
in.
E
Thank
you
chair,
so
just
in
general
the
travel
plans
spd
as
it
currently
is.
Would
we
would
take
a
review
fee
to
enable
council
officers
to
actually
work
with
the
the
residential
travel
plan
coordinator
and
then
we
would
also
take
the
or
hold
the
residential
travel
plan
fund
monies,
which
is
the
money
that
initially
would
be
able
to
go
into
the
travel
plan
measures
so
anything
within
the
travel
plan
that
was
to
be
delivered.
E
So
sarah
already
mentioned
the
car
club,
but
I
think
in
terms
of
this
site,
the
car
club
is
one
of
those
travel
plan,
measures
that
we
would
be
offering
free
use
to
to
residents
to
get
them
effectively
to
so
that
they
could
become
members
and
trial
it.
So
they
get
that
free
trial
use
out
of
the
cost
that
comes
out
of
the
residential
travel
plan
fund.
E
So
that
would
be
one
of
the
significant
measures
here
I
mean
other
measures
are
clearly
available
and
it
is,
it
is
between
the
residents
and
the
travel
plan
coordinator
to
decide
on
on
the
spend.
But
then
that
is
reported
back,
and
it's
also
the
money
that
the
council
takes
to.
Actually
have
that
time
to
you
know
to
review
and
monitor.
So
it's
so
the
other
measures.
We
would
normally
look
at
things
like
potential
for
travel
tickets.
E
We
don't
do
generally
the
residential
metro
cards
anymore
for
an
annual
pass,
but
we
do
do
other
travel
tickets
like
monthlies,
just
to
give
people
a
flavor
and
to
promote
public
transport.
E
We
we
we
do
other
initiatives
in
terms
of
being
able
to
support
cycle
vouchers,
walking
walking
accessories
those
sorts
of
things
just
perhaps
perhaps
that
wouldn't
be
appropriate
here,
but
certainly
the
cycle
vouchers
could
be
and
also
then
to
support
the
the
cycle
hub
facility
as
well.
That's
proposed
on
the
site,
so
I
think
you
know
there
are.
E
There
are
multiple
measures
we
could
do,
but
without
that
fund
we
don't
have
that
ability
to
to
really
to
work
with
to
the
to
work
with
the
site,
and
I
think
that's
that's
the
benefit
that
it
would
give
us.
C
Yeah
in
in
terms
of
reviewing
the
viability
position
down
the
line,
I
think
there
are
options
we
we
could.
C
C
So
the
other
option
is
that
we
have
a
shorter
consent
period
than
the
normal
three
years.
You
know
we're
looking
at
the
viability
could
change,
but
we
have
to
be
reasonable
about
that
as
well.
There'll
be
a
certain
amount
of
time
needed
for
setup,
etc
and
to
implement
and
that
that
shorter
consent
would
also
have
to
be
agreed
with
with
the
applicant.
C
So
I
I
think
I
I
completely
understand
the
question,
and
and
really
it's
I'm
happy
to
be
led
by
panel
on
this,
but
I
think
there
are
risks
attached
to
saying
we'll
review
this
down
the
line
I
think
it'd
be.
My
preference
would
be
that
you
have
a
a
shorter
period
for
the
consent,
in
effect,
if,
if
that's
a
real
concern,
thank
you
chair.
A
Thank
you,
that's
very
helpful
kaylee.
We
can
bring
the
applicants
in
and
ask
for
a
comment
from
them
they're
here.
If
you
want
to
wait
and
come
back,
you
can
come
in
now.
If
you
like,
they're,
very
relevant
questions.
O
Thank
you,
chair
I'll.
Just
briefly,
introduce
got
tim
tolcher
to
my
immediate
left,
he's
the
architect
if
there's
any
architectural
questions
going
forward,
and
also
oliver
west
road
from
mclaren
the
applicants
again,
which
oliver
might
come
in
on
on
this
point
yeah.
We
do
very
much
agree
with
algae.
The
mppf
talks
about
making
decisions
on
today
and
the
viabilities
is
done
on
that,
and
hence
why
brian
asked
us
for
those
updated
construction
costs
the
the
short
consent.
O
Yeah
mclaren
are
very
keen
to
deliver
they're
already
delivering
the
the
scheme
at
the
leonardo
building
the
old
council
offices.
That's
something
where
you'll
recall
they
received
content
quite
recently
and
got
straight
on
to
site.
So
that's
what
they
also
want
to
do
on
this
site,
so
there's
definitely
a
keenness
for
delivery
I'll.
Maybe
let
oliver
explain
a
little
bit
more
about
a
that
point
on
delivery
and
also
something
which
we've
looked
at,
and
I
think
brown
will
agree
with
that.
O
R
Hi,
that's
oliver
westra
here
yeah
from
a
viabilistic
perspective.
I
understand
your
point
of
view,
but
this
has
generally
been
a
very
challenging
site
from
a
viability
perspective
and,
as
we
know,
bill
costs
are
only
rising
and
we
have
been
you
know,
trying
to
push
the
rents
on
this
as
much
as
possible.
So
so
there
is
that
challenge
in
terms
of
our
ability.
We
see
the
next
12
months
from
a
bill,
cost
perspective
being
very
challenging
and
then
because
this
is
a
bill
to
rent
product.
R
It's
about
the
fundability,
so
we
obviously
need
a
funder
on
board
to
fund
this
and
because
they're
buying
this
effectively
on
today's
rents
and
today's
values.
It's
going
to
be
very
challenging
to
fund
this
with
a
claw
pack
provision
in
there.
So
from
a
commercial
perspective,
it
just
makes
the
the
whole
fundability
and
the
deliverability
of
this
scheme
very
challenging.
A
Thank
you
andrew
kelly,.
J
And
then
the
the
the
travel
plan
fund,
why?
Why
are
we
talking
about
car
clubs
when
we
don't
have
cars?
I
don't
I
don't
understand
that
and
we're
right
next
to
a.
E
Yep
just
in
relation
to
the
car
club,
so
it
is
one
of
the
the
ways
in
which
we
see
it,
supporting
residents
not
not
needing
to
own
a
car
and
therefore
supporting
the
lower
parking
levels
that
we've
got
on
the
site.
I
mean,
I
think
car
clubs
in
general
are
very
successful
in
you
know,
encouraging
people
to
to
try
to
you
know
to
get
rid
of
the
car
or
to
get
rid
of
the
second
car.
E
You
know
because
it
just
means
that
for
those
occasions
when
you
do
need
a
day
out
or
whatever
that
that
you
can,
there
is
one
available
for
you
to
use
or
or
off
for
emergencies
or
for
whatever
reason.
So
I
think
you
know
as
a
as
part
of
our
transport
strategy.
That
kind
of
shared
mobility
is
is
where
we
is
what
we're
trying
to
promote
so
that,
instead
of
personal
car
ownership,.
A
Okay,
and
as
I
was
about
to
say,
I
could
add
that
I've
had
an
officer
speaking
to
and
given
what
andrew
said
that
a
shorter
construction
start
period
could
could
be
installed
and
the
year
seems
reasonable.
You
know
which,
given
that
andrew
and
the
team
said
they
intend
to
start
very
immediately.
So
it's
something
for
members
to
consider.
As
the
debate
gathers
place,
can
I
bring
in
colin
now
please.
N
R
Yeah
yeah
again
a
good
question.
It's
it's
just
comes
down
to
viability.
We
at
that
stage
when
we
were
looking
at
the
figures
it
was,
you
know
where
build
costs
were
proving
very
challenging
from
viability
perspective.
So
since
then,
we've
looked
at
optimizing
as
best
as
possible.
R
We
have
looked
to
rents
if
we
can
grow
the
rents.
We've
had
to
to
work
with
our
funder
to
try
and
eke
out
more
value
out
of
them,
and
you
know
similar
to
what
the
district
values
done.
You
know
we've
managed
to
to
get
it
back
to
a
stage
where,
even
at
north
central
housing
it
was
struggling,
but
we
we
have
managed
to
find
some
different
areas
of
cost
saving
and
value
engineering
to
make
it
more
more
viable.
R
So
we've
really
worked
on
the
viability
on
both
from
a
value
perspective
and
a
cost
perspective,
to
get
it
more
more
viable
and
and
to
deliver
this.
But
it's
been
a
challenge
on
this
scheme.
You
know
it's
a
26-storey
tower
in
an
area
which
is
an
up
and
coming
area,
but
it's
not
a
still
a
high
value
area
of
leads.
R
R
It's
well
it's
a
26-story
tower
which
has
been
challenging,
there's
a
podium
there
as
well,
because,
obviously
we
want
to
create
landscaping
that
podium,
there's,
there's
a
huge
amount
of
cost
to
that
as
well.
In
terms
of
you
know,
we,
as
you
know,
with
the
leonardo
bill
and
we
we
do
student,
but
this
is
an
allocated
site
for
for
residential,
so
we
wanted
to
deliver
residential.
R
N
R
Yeah,
it's
it's.
It's
maximizing
the
site,
land
values
and
leads.
Are
you
know
going
up
you
know
leeds
is,
is
now
obviously
a
popular
location
for
developers,
so
the
land
values
are
going
up.
So
we
do
have
to
you
know,
maximize
the
density
on
on
sites
to
you
know,
try
and
get
a
profit
for
for
a
scheme,
so
it
is
pardon
part
of
that
having
to
push
the
height
that
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
get
to
a
value
on
the
land
that
would
have
been
acceptable
to
the
landowner.
N
Looking
at
the
the
the
alternatives
you
you,
a
couple
of
them
include
a
sill
payment.
Now
I
I
must
admit
I
was
under
the
assumption
that
sill
was
given.
We
weren't
allowed
to
say
no,
you
don't
need
to
pay
a
sale.
That's
that's
just
a
normal
cost.
So
I'm
the
bits
of.
Can
you
explain
why
you're
quoting
that
and
then
I've
got
a
question
for
julian
okay.
P
Yeah,
forgive
me
what
what
I
try
and
do
one
of
the
new
one
of
the
key
bits
of
guidance
when
it
comes
to
viability
as
a
chartered
surveyor.
They
talk
about
transparency
and
being
non-technical
and
and
being
as
clear
and
concise
as
you
can
and
you're
absolutely
right.
Correct
sill
is
a
given,
but
I
only
I
only
quote
it
in
these
options
so
that
you,
as
decision
makers,
can
see
that
these
are
payments
of
money
which
are
policy
requirements.
P
So
there's
no
other
reason
just
trying
to
make
you
all
aware
of
what
payments
are
being
made
as
part
of
the
policy.
Really
that's:
okay,.
N
Can
I
just
ask
julian
the
question,
then?
Probably
everybody
else
you
know
there's
talking
here
about
a
contribution
to
106
costs
or
no
contribution
to
106
costs.
If
there
wasn't
an
issue
about
viability,
what
would
we
be
asking
for
in
relation
to
106
contributions,
because
I
noticed
when
we
were
on
site,
you
mentioned
works
on
waterline?
Isn't
it
so
I'm
assuming
that,
with
under
normal
circumstances,
we
will
be
asking
for
some
106
contributions
towards
highways
and
all
sorts
of
other
things
plus
affordable
housing.
E
Brian
actually
had
the
answer
for
me,
so
that's
rather
helpful
of
him.
Thank
you.
So
the
sustainable
travel
fund
is
at
250
pounds
per
unit,
so
that
is
the
93
750.
E
The
traffic
regulation
order,
which
is
part
of
the
works,
10,
000
pounds,
travel
plan,
monitoring
fees,
5000
and
then
pedestrian
and
cycle
connectivity.
Improvements
for
the
surrounding
area
was
250
000.
Clearly
that
is
not
being
achieved
achieved,
and
then
there
are.
There
is
also
on
ryan's
list
which
isn't
a
transport
contribution.
There's
a
public
open
space
contribution
of
452
676,
which
is
that
that's
not
being
that's
not
being
paid
either.
M
Thanks
to
this
one
for
sarah
and
have
a
great
retirement,
however,
maybe
you
can
help
me
with
why
I'm
puzzled
with
this
particular
application
in
terms
of
policy
h4,
it
fails
primarily
because
the
number
of
one
bedrooms
is
too
high
in
terms
of
policy
h5.
It
fails
and
as
much
as
developer
isn't
really
offering
anywhere
near
the
affordable
housing
that
he
should
do.
M
Apparently,
policy
en8
is
in
question
because
they
don't
want
to
put
the
20
of
electric
vehicle
charging
points
in
from
the
start.
They
want
to
do
it
in
a
phased
manner.
Apparently,
policy
en1-1
there's
some
dispute
as
to
whether
that's
particularly
satisfied
or
is
it
or
it
is
or
it
isn't,
that's
a
page
1-3-4.
Q
In
terms
of
the
housing
mix
and
they
have
provided
a
housing
assessment,
the
housing
needs
assessment
which
talks
about,
and
we've
talked
about
it
in
the
report
which
talks
about
the
demographic
of
the
area
in
terms
of
that
focus
on
one
beds
and
that
being
slightly
higher,
and
we
really
wanted
to
push
them
to
try
and
focus
on
three
on
improving
three
beds
as
well
in
that
to
get
the
mix
there.
Q
But
that's
the
rationale
for
having
the
proportion
of
one
beds
that
are
in
there
is
because
of
the
demographic
has
set
out.
I
think
it's
paragraph
1016,
where
they've
given
us
information
based
on
market
advice
about
the
the
age
range
of
the
potential
renters
in
that
area,
and
why
there's
that
focus
for
high
demand
on
one
and
two
beds?
So
that's
in
terms
of
that
in
terms
of
policy.
Q
H5,
obviously,
that's
subject
to
the
viability
appraisal
and
our
policy
does
allow
that
to
occur,
that
viability,
appraisal
to
occur
on
affordable
housing
and
other
obligations,
and
that's
obviously
for
members
to
take
a
view
on
in
terms
of
that,
whether
they
accept
the
findings
of
the
district
value
and
those
options
put
forward
in
terms
of
en
eight
and
when
we
can
push
them
to
provide
them
all
up
front.
I
have
no
issues
with
that.
They've
asked
to
in
a
phased
manner,
but
I
have
absolutely
no
issues
with.
Q
I
was
wanting
to
have
fully
full
ev
charging
from
day
one,
and
we
can
certainly
push
them
to
do
that
and
then
in
terms
of
en1,
and
that
analysis
of
the
sustainability
we
had.
We
do
now,
thankfully,
have
a
sustainability
officer
with
us
in
the
council.
Q
Who's
looked
at
this
with
us,
because
what
they've
basically
said
is
and
they've
looked
at
partel,
which
is
what
we
bait,
what
yeah
one
is
based
on
and
in
some
ways
patel
is
somewhat
out
of
date,
because
obviously
the
policy
has
been
sitting
there
a
while
and
the
building
regulation
in
question
is
2013
as
well.
Q
So
they've
actually
looked
at
the
standard
assessment
procedure,
which
is
a
government
accredited
procedure
for
looking
at
carbon
factors
and
they're,
actually
showing
that
there's
a
betterment
if
they
apply
that,
rather
than
going
back
to
the
more
outdated
kind
of
procedure
that
we
still
have.
Unfortunately,
we
have.
We
need
to
update
on
that
so
they're
saying
that
there
is
actually
a
betterment
in
terms
of
the
system
that
they
want
to
use
and
they
get
a
74.1
percent
betterment
on
gas
boiler
and
title
under
that
and
our
new
sustainability
officers.
Q
I'm
happy
to
answer
that
so
that
we've
had
a
lot
of
discussion
about
this
about
the
reduction
and
the
low
number
of
cycle
spaces,
because
it's
something
that
highways
colleagues
have
raised
with
with
us
and
we've
we've
discussed
with
the
developer
and
that's
where
we've
ended
up
the
result
of
asking
them
to
provide
a
cycle
hire
scheme
to
account
for
that
to
actually
similar
to
a
car
club
scheme.
But
we
can
also
we've
also
got
a
condition
on
there
as
well,
which
looks
at
which
wants
the
details
of
the
cycle
provision.
Q
So
it's
not
saying
we've
actually
agreed
the
full
details
and
we
can
look
at
whether
there's
other
locations
within
the
landscaping
area,
where
you
could
have
shelters,
standalone
structures
that
are
outside
of
the
building
as
well,
because
that's
another
idea
that
we've
discussed
in
detail.
So
those
those
two
matters
will
still
come
forward
under
the
condition.
The
cycle,
higher
scheme
and
potential
for
more
spaces
to
be
provided.
A
Before
I
move
on
robert,
if
I
can
tag
on
to
your
question
regarding
betterment,
because
it's
all
electric
and
not
gas
boiler
is
the
electricity
generated
from
wind
power
and
renewables
because
I
remember
lisa
and
bradford
airport
made
a
big
point
of
actually
saying
the
electricity
was
sustainable.
So
that's
a
question.
That's
unanswered
and
it's
probably
an
important
one.
Q
I
think
at
this
stage
we
don't
have
information
unless
the
developer
can
answer
that
in
terms
of
who
their
supplier
will
be
ultimately
will
be,
but
obviously
that's
something
for
them
to
be.
Mindful
of
that,
we'll
be
looking
for
that
to
be
a
consideration
in
in
the
final
result
of
the
scheme
we
do
have.
We
could
kind
of
try
and
capture
that
in
terms
of
condition
on
sustainability,
so
to
actually
get
that
detail
through
to
us.
A
So
I
think,
that's
very
important
that
if
it's
generated
in
an
unsustainable
way
in
another
part,
it
still
affects
the
planet.
So
you
it's
not
been.
It's
not
been
as
beneficial
as
it
says.
On
paper,
okay,
okay,
I'm
gonna
bring
in
peter
now
on.
He
might
expand
on
that
he's
more
of
an
expert
on
these
things
than
I
am.
I
Not
sure
I
can
but
but
it's
an
interesting
one,
because
we
probably
have
never
asked
for
developments
to.
Obviously
if
we
could
require
it,
then
all
new
developments
that
were
managed
centrally
would
have
to
take
out
a
green
energy
supply,
which
is
something
we
haven't
necessarily
thought
of
before.
So
that's
interesting
point.
Hopefully
soon
all
of
our
electricity
will
come
from
renewable
forces
anyway,
but
it
is
an
interesting
point.
I
was
going
to
touch
just
on
these.
The
section
106
costs
colin
got.
I
The
first
point
of
my
question
was:
what's
the
separate
values
of
of
each
one?
So
that's
useful
because
from
what
I
see
on
here,
we'd
be
getting
the
bit
for
the
travel
plan
and
the
car
club,
but
we're
missing
out
on
a
very
considerable
amount
of
green
space
contribution,
contribution
towards
pedestrian
cycle
improvements,
and
it
suggests
on
here
we're
missing
out
on
the
traffic
regulation
orders
as
well
subject
to
viability
on
there
and
the
affordables
or
another.
I
I
The
area
is
not
necessarily
the
most
pleasant
environment
to
walk
around
and
the
nearest
supermarkets
would
either
be
the
little
one
at
bridgewater
place
in
the
bottom
of
that
building
or
the
venus
supermarket,
which
I
think
we've
talked
about
before
we
come
to
mcarthur
in
this
in
this
meeting.
No
I've
never
walked
between
these
two
sites,
but
I
can't
imagine
it's
very
attractive
to
walk
along
to
the
venus
supermarket,
which
is
technically
in
a
different
neighborhood
that
you
wouldn't
have
joined
before.
I
don't
think.
I
Would
you
be
able
to
lay
out
jillian
a
bit
of
information
on
what
well
one
on
the
traffic
regulation
order
in
a
way
if
we
provide
the
car
club,
but
not
the
tro,
there
is
a
risk
of
people
bringing
their
own
cars
and
littering
them
around
anyway,
and
it
may
then
lose
that
the
stick
that
might
go
with
the
proverbial
carrot.
I
The
improvements
to
cycling
and
walking
in
this
area
really
needed
and
we've
got
obviously
master
plans
for
this
area.
I
The
contribution
do
we
feel
we
could
get
that
through
other
developments
and
bring
those
improvements
forward,
or
would
we
have
a
choice,
as
members
say,
to
say:
well
we're
not
sure
about
the
car
club
in
this
location.
It'd
be
shame
if
we
didn't
have
it,
but
we
may
prefer
better
connections
to
the
local
amenities
in
order
to
encourage
more
journeys
for
walking
and
cycling,
for
instance,
and
what
kind
of
improvements
were
going
to
be
laid
out?
O
Thank
you.
It
was
just
really
a
minor
point
on
the
traffic
regulation
order
point:
that's
the
one!
If
you
recall
it
goes
typically
goes
into
the
106
and
it's
if
a
problem
is
identified
a
few
years
down
the
line.
Once
all
the
residents
have
moved
in
that
they
start
to
park
in
those
nearby
neighborhoods,
then
there
is
an
ability
in
the
106
to
say
we
need
that
10
000
pounds
to
put
in
the
tros
that
are
missing
in
those
areas.
So
it's
quite
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
if
required.
O
It
can
be
requested
and
that's
something
which
we've
talked
about,
and
we
have
said
that
he's
still
fine
to
go
in
the
106..
It's
the
way.
Brian's
worked
out.
Of
course
it's
a
direct
cost.
Therefore
it's
come
out
of
the
the
viability
in
that
position,
but
it's
a
if
required.
It
will
be
provided,
and
we
we
committed
that
to
the
local
councillors
when
we
met
them
some
some
months
ago
now
as
well,
so
that
that's
fine
to
include
it's
only
a
small
point,
though.
E
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you,
andrew,
because
I
think
I
I
was
conflating
two
issues
because
there
will
be
a
traffic
regulation
order
as
part
of
the
off-site
highway
works
as
well,
which
is
you
know
in
terms
of
the
the
loading
bay
outside
the
site,
will
require
a
traffic
regulation
order
and
also
a
speed
limit
order
for
the
20
mile
an
hour
speed,
limit
reduction,
which
is
part
of
this.
E
This
area
is
changing
and
at
the
moment
there
are
parts
of
this
area
that
you
could
certainly
park
on
on
evenings
and
weekends,
and
if,
if
people
did
want
to
own
cars
and
didn't
have
a
parking
space
on
site,
I
think
there
would
be
there
would
be
that
risk,
and
you
are
you're
also
coming
to
hold
back
and
there
would
be
kind
of
that
risk
it
is.
E
It
is
potentially
within
that
800
meter,
walking
distance,
which
we
say
is,
is
kind
of
like
a
reasonable
limit
as
to
where
people
might
be
willing
to
to
park
and
own
a
car
for
access,
even
if
they
didn't
if
they
parked
it
there
and
didn't,
use
it
very
frequently,
but
they
still
felt
that
they
needed
car
ownership.
E
So
it's
often
the
case
that,
when
you're
bidding
for
money
you
do
need
a
local
contribution
and
that
type
of
local
contribution
to
cycling
schemes
and
walking
schemes
comes
through
this
sort
of
development
task
from
you
know,
from
from
all
developments
where
they,
where
they'll
take
benefit
from
the
schemes.
E
So
at
the
moment
we
have
a
scheme
that
isn't
currently
funded
but
is
proposed
on
neville
street,
which
would
be
a
cycling
scheme
up
there
that
we
that
we're
looking
to
to
bring
forward-
and
there
are
other
cycling
and
walking
schemes
that
are
being
considered
in
the
area
as
well.
As
you
know,
public
realm
schemes
that
are
are
being
looked
at
across
this
part
of
holbeck
as
we
as
we
continue
to
develop
it
out.
So
you
know
they.
G
Did
I
understand
you
to
say
that
of
the
three
options
set
down
here
in
the
viability
report
that
the
officers
would
prefer
option?
Three,
yes,
could
you
could
you
explain
why.
C
It's
purely
because
option
three
allows
us
to
safeguard
some
money
towards
a
sustainable
travel
fund.
We
think
it's
really
important
to
have
money
available
to
both
the
travel
coordinator
and
our
travel
wise
officers
to
implement
whatever
schemes
and
mitigate
or
or
incentives
are
needed
to
encour
to
wean
people
off
the
private
car
as
it
were
so
I
mentioned,
I
think
the
car
club
and
the
julian's
mentioned
the
free
trial
membership
of
that
there
may
be
something
around
cycling
initiatives
and
there's
there
will
be
a
cycle
hub
repair
hub,
a
higher
place
on
this
site.
C
So
that's
why
why
we're
saying
in
this
location
so
close
to
the
city
centre,
where
people
can
get
away
without
owning
a
car
but
and
may
just
need
occasional
access
to
one?
Then
that's
where
we
we
prefer
the
money
to
be
spent.
Whatever
money
is
available
after
we've,
and
then
the
other
emphasis
was
that
we
know,
members
have
always
prioritized
and
members
might
take
a
different
view
today,
affordable
housing.
So
there
is
some
option.
Three
still
gives
us
some
ability
to
provide
some
of
the
units,
although
not
a
policy
compliant
position
at
discounted
rents.
H
Yes,
thank
you.
Some
of
my
questions
were
just
answered
regarding
the
20
mile,
an
hour,
speed
limit
and
the
speed
bumps
and
so
on,
because
I
did
think
when
we
had
the
side
visit,
that
the
traffic
was
really
whizzing
round
there
and
there's
a
bend
in
the
road
that
could
make
it
quite
dangerous.
So
that
would
be,
I
think,
essential
thinking
about
safety
and
security.
H
But
at
the
moment
they're
not
there,
we
don't
know
when
precisely
they're
going
to
come
and
therefore
I
wouldn't
want
people
to
feel
marooned
there,
particularly
in
the
darker
months,
say
november
january,
that
they're
stuck,
they
can't
go
out
and
buy
things
they
need
or
go
out
and
about
after
dark.
I've
got
another
question
after
that,
but
it's
on
quite
a
different
topic.
If
I
could
come
back.
O
Yes,
I
suppose
there's
yes,
the
measures
on
site
there
that
we
we
include,
and
the
developer,
has
the
ability
to
make
their
site
safe
through
the
cctv,
the
concierge
and,
obviously,
all
those
things.
The
activity
will
certainly
increase
and
I
think,
in
terms
of
giving
perhaps
a
little
bit
of
an
update
as
far
as
I
can,
the
midland
mill
scheme
has
started
next
door.
O
So
that's
you
know
widens
that
active
frontage
in
that
sense
brings
it
closer
than
linking
it
very
close
to
the
new
cg
scheme,
which
has
just
finished
just
topped
out
in
this
last
few
weeks
so
again,
there'll
be
that
all
that
activity
must
have
now
occupied,
so
that
will
certainly
enliven
that
frontage
more
so
than
than
it
is,
and
it
will
be,
quite
so,
just
this
site
and
the
the
middle
of
milk's
getting
quite
a
wide
active
landscape
frontage.
O
From
that
point
of
view,
I
suppose
the
the
the
speed
control
measures
will
will
slow
cars
down
and
make
it
safer.
As
we
say
from
that
point
of
view
and
that
still
comes
forward,
he
said
a
little
bit
limited,
I
suppose,
in
terms
of
what
a
developer
on
a
specific
site
not
having
any
control
over
any
other
sites
can
do
from
there,
but
the
activity
will
will
certainly
increase
in
that
sense
from
from
day
one
these
doors
opening
with
built
to
rent
schemes.
O
The
intention
is
again
from
day
one
that
there
are
a
lot
of
people
moving
in
from
that
day,
it's
a
little
bit
different
to
to
selling
property,
which
may
take
months
and
years
to
actually
sell
and
occupy
and
increase
the
number.
So
again,
I
think
they'll
be
that
that's
a
critical
mass
to
use
that
term
from
largely
day
one
when
this
this
becomes
operational.
O
Hopefully
I
say
with
the
other
developments
coming
on
board.
I
think
it
will
significantly
change
quite
quite
quickly.
In
that
sense,.
H
Do
officers
have
any
comments
on
this?
Please.
C
I
I
think
one
of
I
I
take
the
point
that,
as
the
area
changes
there'll
be
more
natural
surveillance,
more
activity,
but
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
required
to
look
at
in
terms
of
adopted
highways
is
street
lighting
and
so
on.
So
that
will
be.
C
You
know
I
I
I
take
your
point
because
of
the
bend
in
the
road
and
the
high
level
railway
bridge.
There's
a
there's
a
blind
spot,
so
you
can't
really
see
where
you're
going.
But
I
think
if
I
I
don't
know
where
the
street
lighting
columns
are
here.
But
if
there's,
if
there's
a
street,
I
think
it's
really
important
to
have
street
lighting
in
this
section
between
the
viaducts.
C
Q
I'll
just
add
as
well.
I
think
the
fact
that
it's
a
scheme-
that's
got
communal
immunity,
space
means
in
it
means
that
the
developers
aiming
for
people
to
actually
get
together
and
get
to
know
each
other
and
create
a
bit
of
a
community
in
the
building.
So
if
that
happens,
there's
a
potential
then
for
them
to
form
a
residence
group
if
they
so
wish,
and
the
developer
could
push
push
for
that
and
and
kind
of
encourage
that
to
happen.
Q
And
then
there
could
be
that
support
network
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
people
are
safe.
When
you
know
they've
got
like
a
buddy
system
or
something
that,
when
they're
actually
walking
back
from
town
that
they
know
that,
there's
somebody
that
can
rely
on
them
and
call
if,
if
they're,
in
a
situation
where
they
feel
unsafe,.
H
I
think
it's
important
to
build
that
in
from
the
earliest
possible
stage
and
to
look
at
all
possibilities.
Another
rather
different
issue
is
that
of
the
outdoor
space.
The
cgi's
are
very
nice.
This
last
one
number
38.
It
looks
a
bit
like
a
resort
hotel
to
me.
I
could
imagine
it
being
somewhere
where
you
would
sit
out
with
some
with
a
prosecco
or
cocktail
at
night
when
you're
on
holiday,
but
of
course
in
november.
H
It
wouldn't
be
like
that,
but
but
very
nice
at
this
time
of
year,
but
when
we
were
looking
around
today,
we
did
see
that
there
was
some
outdoor
space.
There
was
a
bank
when
you
go
in
and
then
on
the
right-hand
side,
there's
a
sort
of
bank
which
is
all
covered
with
bud
layer
and
things,
but
that
is
potentially
something
that
could
be
developed
into
a
bit
of
more
adventurous
outdoor
space
rather
than
just
flattened
out,
which
would
be
a
shame.
H
There
are
some
nice
trees
which
we
hope
would
be
kept
because
they
form
a
screen,
but
also
thinking
about
the
civic
trusts
comments
about
family
friendly,
basically,
children.
I
know
you
say
that
there's
one
area,
one
terrace
which
could
be
used
for
adventurous
activities
but
nice
to
have
a
bit
of
outdoor
as
well.
Is
there
scope
for
doing
something
there?
I'm
not
saying
swings
and
slides
it
wouldn't
be
appropriate,
but
something
just
so
that
people
who
want
to
just
go
outside
and
do
stuff
can
do
it
and
have
fun
there.
R
Yes,
definitely
we'll
we'll
look
at
that.
You
know
this
is
this,
can
be
a
mixed
schemes?
There's
there's
going
to
be
young
professionals.
There's
going
to
be,
you
know,
different
generate
generations,
there's
definitely
families
living
here.
So
definitely
we'll
look
at
that
and
it's
you
know.
I've
got
two
children
myself,
so
I
know
that
you
need
to
exercise
them
and
get
them
out.
So
we'll
definitely
explore
that
yeah.
A
Thank
you
all
neil.
F
F
Thank
you
very
much.
A
lot
of
excellent
points
are
being
registered
and
I
won't
rehash
those
just
just
looking
at
the
options
we've
got.
I
understand
the
preference
for
option
three
from
officers
based
on
because
it
gives
us
perhaps
more
flexibility
chair,
but
we
have
also
talked
an
awful
lot
about
maximizing
affordables
in
the
city
center.
F
So
I
guess
so.
We
almost
really
split
them
between
sort
of
options.
One
and
three
aren't
we
almost
here,
so
I'm
wondering
could.
Can
we
just
clarify
for
my
own
thinking
sustainable
travel
fund?
It's
both
soft
and
hard.
It's
elements,
isn't
it
it's
not
either
or
is
it
it
can
be
behavior
change,
but
it
can
also
be
tro
cycle
provision
and
whatnot,
because
I'm
just
conscious.
F
So
I
would
be
minded
to
think
more
on
providing
that
pedestrian
and
cycling
infrastructure
chair
rather
than
car
club
investment.
I
really
do
you
know
cycling.
Investment
is
essential
and
we
can
probably
now
say
that
we're
in
the
early
stages
of
the
e-bike
revolution
chair
rather
than
the
coming
ebay
revolution.
Finally,
we
see
so
I
think
the
hard
infrastructure
is
important
to
me.
Personally,
I
think
that's
an
and
same
for
pedestrian
movement
and
that
helps
with
the
points
and
safety
that
castle
garth
was
rightly
raised.
F
So
I
think
the
car
club
would
be
the
the
sacrificial
element
there.
To
my
mind,
chad.
I
don't
know
what
other
colleagues
think,
but
would
it
be
interesting
if
we
can
get
some
sense
of
there's
a
lot
of
development
going
on
in
this
area
brought
in
this
south
bank
of
the
city
center
in
in
the
environment
of
temple
works.
F
E
Thank
you,
chair
yeah.
I
suppose,
because
this
is
very
site
specific,
you
know,
residential
travel
plan
fund
is
site-specific,
so
what
we
couldn't
do
is
take
someone
else's
residential
travel
plan
fund
and
spend
it
on
this
site.
E
However,
saying
that
there
are
other
car
club
spaces
available
from
that
have
been
delivered
by
other
developments
in
south
bank
and
not
too
far
away
from
this
area,
what
you
would
miss
out
on
is
any
ability
to
offer
trial
usage
or
you
know,
because
by
by
offering
trial
usage
you're
getting
people
signed
up
and
you're
getting
them.
E
I
would
be
quite
keen
to
get
our
monitoring
fee
and
to
get
a
small
pot
because
I
think
not
having
any
parts
just
makes
it
makes
everybody's
life
really
difficult
in
terms
of
actually
making
a
difference,
because
I
think
if
I
just
look
at
what
they've
put
into
the
travel
plan,
I
just
got
it.
Whilst
we
were
all
talking
so
for
the
fund
itself,
I
think
we've
covered
probably
what
they've
said,
but
car
club
trial
and
usage
support
and
marketing
cycle
or
cycling
equipment
purchase
public
transport,
ticketing,
personalized
travel
planning,
which
I
didn't
mention
earlier.
E
But
that's
you
know
the
ability
for
for
people
who
feel
that
they
must
have
a
car
to
get
somewhere,
and
you
know
it
isn't
possible.
It
can
give
that
kind
of
assistance
and
then
car
sharing,
walking
and
cycling
measures,
promotion
and
it
does
have
and
or
further
infrastructure
enhancements,
because
occasionally
you
know
when
people
move
in,
we
find
that
something
has
been
missed
at
planning
stage
and
actually
part
of
that
pot
could
go
towards
something
physical
that
would
be
directly
directly
relevant
to
the
site.
So
I
I
think
for
me.
Q
In
the
castle,
also
in
terms
of
that,
would
you
be
thinking
of
because
I
think
there's
two
parts
to
it:
there's
the
fund
and
then
there's
the
car
club
spaces.
So
the
fund
contributes
to
the
membership,
but
then
there's
a
car
across
faces.
Would
you
still
be
wanting
to
see
the
car
club
spaces
and,
if
they're
not
there,
what
are
we
putting
there
we're
putting
landscaping
there,
because
I
wouldn't
want
it
to
be
just
then
tended
to
normal
car
parking
spaces.
F
Yeah,
terry,
you
read
my
mind,
which
demonstrates
what
I
lost
you'll,
be
to
the
council
yeah.
It's
that
it's
the
it's
the
behavior
change
stuff
that
I
think
is
sacrificial,
not
the
spaces.
I
think
these
days,
if
this
is
this
was
like
1999
and
car
clubs
were
just
like
a
new
fresh
thing.
Then
yeah,
I
think,
behavior
change
is
a
really
good
idea,
but
in
a
less
than
ideal
scenario
which
we're
in
they
seem
that
the
behavioral
change
push
seems
to
be
the
thing
to
go.
F
To
my
mind,
because
the
car
club
could
do
a
leaflet
drop
that
the
developer
could
facilitate
putting
through
letterbox
as
a
management
company,
because
it's
a
bill
to
rent
scheme,
it's
not
a
free-for-all.
Is
it
so
this
the
spaces,
the
physical
stuff
I
want
to
keep,
but
the
behavioral
stuff,
I
think,
is
the
thing
to
go
chair.
That
would
be
my
thinking
because
I
said
it
is
2022
and
if
you
move
into
the
city
center,
you
should
be
mindful
of
the
challenges
and
opportunities
that
that
affords
and
it's
physical
infrastructure
is
expensive
and
we
won't.
F
J
J
I've
been
I've
been
listening
to
this
really
carefully
the
debate.
The
questions
I've
got.
I've
got
a
few
a
few
additional
questions
to
to
just
ask
him.
So
is
there
any
reason
that
active
frontage
hasn't
been
taken
into
account
in
this
development
because,
obviously,
with
active
frontage,
you're
going
to
be
reducing
a
lot
of
the
the
risk
for
pedestrians
getting
to
and
from
also
in
terms
of
the
pedestrian
infrastructure,
the
surrounding
pedestrian
infrastructure
is
hostile.
J
Like
what
what
what's
being
put
in
place
to
mitigate
all
of
those
things,
I'm
not
I'm
not
seeing
enough
being
put
in
place
to
mitigate
those
issues
like
the
the
the
development
itself,
is
very,
very
well
designed
and
quite
attractive.
I
quite
like
it,
but
the
the
way
that
it's
linked
together
and
the
thoughtfulness
in
terms
of
that
person-centered
approach
and
how
people
are
going
to
get
from
a
to
b
is
really
really
lacking.
A
R
I
can
answer
that,
so
this
is
a
bill
to
rent
scheme.
So
we're
not
we're
not
going
to
be
the
operator,
but
the
operator
we're
working
with
has
got
huge
amount
of
experience
of
operating
these
types
of
schemes
and
it's
about
the
management.
So
it's
you
know
it's
very
much
community
focused,
so
I
haven't
got
the
answers
yet,
but
on
typical
schemes,
it's
it's
going
to
be.
You
know
community
led.
So
it's
you
know.
The
security
and
safety
of
the
residents
is
going
to
be
paramount.
So
there
will
be
certain.
R
We're
very
supportive
of
that
because
I
appreciate
the
moment
the
the
journey
from
the
station
to
the
scheme-
it's
industrial
but,
as
andrew
said,
it's
it's
ever-changing,
but
you
know
we're
looking
to
deliver
this
scheme
in
circa
two
and
a
half
three
years.
So
there's
still
a
bit
of
way
to
go
so
we're
more
than
happy
to
explore
and
and
work
with
you
to
help
improve
the
the
street
lighting
and
and
the
journey
from
our
scheme
to
the
station
and
other
parts
of
leeds.
J
What
about
what
about
how
the
development
ties
into
what
did
I
write
down
here?
Green
corridors
and
making
making
walking
be
a
pleasant
well
making
the
pedestrian
experience
be
more
pleasant
than
getting
a
taxi
like
and
again
that
lack
of
active
frontage
as
well
like.
O
So
we
could,
maybe,
if
you
want
to
have
a
look
at
the
the
landscape
plan
or
the
the
wider
area
planet
and
look
at
some
of
the
connections
just
a
couple
of
bits
on
that
sarah
touched
on
the
the
connectivity
certainly
through
and
with
the
midland
mills
development
and
that's
something,
as
we
said,
both
developers.
Both
landowners
are
keen
to
to
achieve
that,
and
that
will
enhance
that
in
that
immediate
setting
very
much
so
this
scheme
looks
to
connect
through
in
the
future
to
bath
road.
O
Also,
so
again,
the
the
immediate
setting
will
improve
on
on
those
points.
We
have
talked
about
viability,
the
sill
payments
are
still
in
there
and
those
payments
can
be
used
within
that
wider
council
pot
for
contributions
towards
pedestrian
improvements.
That's
one
of
the
key
things
that
that
can
go
towards
as
well,
so
that
will
allow
for
those
more
harder,
as
we've
talked
about
sort
of
initiatives
to
go
forward
as
well.
Just
in
terms
of
the
frontage
there,
there
will
obviously
be
the
the
landscape
condition
which
includes
lighting.
O
Again,
we've
touched
on
that
in
the
immediate
part
of
the
site,
with
middle
of
mills
coming
on
at
the
same
time
next
door.
So
that
gets
you
past
that
next
viaduct
silver
street
itself
gets
improved
as
part
of
the
middling
mill
scheme,
and
then
you
are
outside
the
front
door
of
the
new
cg
developments,
where
the
some
of
the
pavement
and
pedestrian
improvements
have
already
taken
place
there,
so
that
silk
contribution,
which
so
we
talked
about
viability,
will
still
go
towards
some
of
that
as
well.
C
Council
brooks
if
it
helps
the
the
scheme,
is
actually
from
an
officer's
point
of
view,
delivering
significant
improvements
to
the
frontage
along
water
lane.
So
this
slide
has
been
brought
up
by
toby
and
what
it
demonstrates
is
that
the
the
actual
reception
and
communal
space
here
for
the
whole
development
fronts-
and
these
are
windows
open.
You
know
large
glazed
frontages.
C
If
I've
got
that
right
and
they
provide
natural
surveillance
to
this
area
and
for
those
members
that
were
on
site,
we
were
standing
somewhere
here,
looking
back
across
the
site
and
beyond
this
point,
there's
a
embankment
we're
sorry
beyond
this
point,
there's
an
embankment
which
starts
rising
so
in
in
terms
of
the
area,
that's
actually
where
people
would
be
walking
and
getting
into
the
site.
That'll
be
all
open
to
natural
surveillance.
From
from
the
reception
area,
this
will
be
newly
landscaped.
The
footpath
will
be
retreated.
C
C
What
we've
got
is
an
issue
with
the
non-tangible,
as
it
were
elements
in
terms
of
our
policies
for
the
section
106
the
monetary
contributions
for
want
of
a
better
word
or
the
ability
to
provide
reduced
rents
in
in
terms
of
the
affordability.
That's
where
the
issue
is.
The
quality
of
the
development
from
an
officer's
point
of
view
is
is
acceptable
in
terms
of
design
and
placemaking,
but
obviously
members
can
take
their
own
view
on
that.
J
Yeah,
I'm
just
I
don't.
I
don't
think
the
connectivity
is
that
great
in,
like
I
don't
think
enough
enough
thought
has
been
made
to
that
pedestrian
journey
or
to
the
cycle
journey.
I
think
it's
going
to
it's
going
to
push
residents
to
just
default
into
getting
a
taxi
really
so.
C
Just
brief,
I
mean
that's
fine,
I'm
not
here
to
change
your
mind,
I'm
just
presenting
a
a
position
in
terms
of
the
the
officer's
view.
I
I
would
say
that
the
site
is
actually,
although
going
back
towards
the
station
and
towards
the
city
center
because
of
the
camber
in
the
road,
the
line
of
sight
is
truncated
by
the
high
line,
railway
viaduct,
it's
actually
very
close.
C
Once
you
get
beyond
those
50
yards
or
whatever
it
is
you
you're
into
the
activity
of
the
round
foundry
and
the
cg
sites
and
towel
works,
and
that's
coming
out
of
the
ground
now
and
it'll
that'll
be
on
site
before
this
development
is
on
site,
so
the
nature
of
the
area
will
be
different.
The
other
point
it's
in
the
report
and
we
can't
completely
control
it,
but
we
are.
We
are
conscious
of
improving
giving
residents
here,
choices
and
making
more
present
connections,
and
we
are.
C
We
have
asked
the
developer
to
look
at
to
work
with
the
adjacent
landowner
who
owned
this
wall
to
actually
take
down
this
section
of
wall
as
part
of
the
planning
permission
on
this
site.
We've
secured
public
access
through
midland
mills
through
the
viaduct,
which
has
an
opening
here
directly
onto
bathroom,
and
that
will
give
members
that
will
give
residents
here,
if
that's
achieved,
that
will
give
residents
here
an
alternative
route
rather
than
using
this
waterway
an
alternative
route
to
get
out
in
that
direction.
R
Yeah,
could
I
just
add
to
that
council
brook
so
we're
working
very
closely
with
city
life
who
developers
on
middle
mills.
So
I
said,
we've
created
some
space
for
that
green
walkway,
because
we
understand
about
the
permeability
through
the
whole
and
south
bank
linking
up
our
scheme
with
the
rest
of
the
south
bank
regeneration
era,
and
we
are
obviously
the
developer's
not
here.
R
So
I
want
to
put
words
in
his
mouth,
but
we're
working
closely
with
him
to
make
sure
that
you
know
those
active
frontage
for
our
residents,
where
the
midland
mills
is
so
we're
looking
at
taking
that
wall
down
we're
looking
at
getting
more
commercial
uses
in
there,
such
as
cafes,
so
just
open
up
and
just
create
a
bit
more
of
activity.
R
You
know
throughout
the
day,
so
it's
nice
just
for
our
residents
and
also
other
pedestrians
walking
through
along
the
walkway.
So
that's
you
know
that's
very
key
for
us
to
to
create
that
activity
on
on
the
site
and
try
and
influence
city
mills.
A
Thank
you.
I
am
anxious
to
move
on.
We've
had
a
long
time
on
this
one
and
move
on
to
comments,
but
colin
has
jumped
in
so
can
we
move
the
comments
after
colin
has
asked
his
question.
Please?
A
N
Well,
I
I
was
gonna,
drag
us
away
from
the
the
viability
element
and
talk
about
the
design,
because
we
haven't
touched
on
that
and
I
I
I'm
given
the
the
the
pictures,
we've
been
sent
and
we
looked
at
I'm
finding
it
difficult
to
get
a
holistic
view
of
the
entirety
of
the
blocks.
N
So
on
page
37,
we've
got
a
detailed
shot
of
the
entrance
and
that
element
appears
to
be
quite
reasonable.
I'm
I'm
surprised.
Caroline.
I
asked
about
the
balconies
about
how
big
they
are
so
I'll
ask
out.
If
the
bulk
is
how
big
the
balconies
are,
and
is
it
possible
to
sit
facing
outwards
rather
than
sit
facing
your
partner,
but
they
they
well
suit
yourself.
N
The
other
elements
of
this
you
know
we
seem
to
get
the
the
drawings
seem
to
be
the
design
the
the
detailing
will
be
the
same
on
all
of
them.
It's
just
in
a
different
color
brick,
and
I'm
just
wondering
about
the
design
consequences
of
of
that
particular
type
of
development.
N
Quite
frankly,
if
you
don't
actually
manage
to
knock
the
hole
through
into
midland
mills,
I
don't
think
it'll
work
because
it
requires
that
effectively
a
through
a
way
through
and
and
without
that,
it's
a
dead
end
and
I
think
you're
going
to
end
up
with
problems
of
anti-social
behavior
down
around
the
back
of
the
mill.
So
I
think
that's
something
that
I
know
we
can't
insist
on,
but
is
is
fundamental
to
this.
This
site
working,
but
I
just
would
ask
as
as
we've
got
him
here
and
you've
been
sat
patiently
all
afternoon.
N
Just
can
you
just
walk
us
through
what
you
think
about
the
the
design
and
in
particular,
as
I
say,
the
detailing
on
some
of
the
larger
stuff?
Does
it
and
does
it
work
in
a
way
that
I
think
we'd
be
happy
with.
B
Campbell,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
to
be
said.
A
B
B
N
Help
well,
I
think
what
you're
saying
to
me
is
for
what
it
is.
It's,
okay,
it's
not
special!
It's
nothing!
Nothing!
That's
going
to
get
an
award,
but
it
does
what
it's
set
on
the
packet.
A
B
A
A
A
This
is
a
decent
job
counselor.
Yes,
I
I
was
involved.
G
I
I'd
just
like
to
agree
with
what
collins
said.
First
of
all,
I'm
glad
you
said
it
first,
I
I
don't
think
we've
had
quite
enough
of
a
discussion
around
the
design
of
this
development
and
what
I
feel
about
the
papers.
I've
seen
in
the
presentation
is
that
I
haven't
got
enough
of
a
flavor
of
of
how
the
mill
has
will
be
renovated
and
what
it
will
look
like
in
its
renovated
form
and
how
I
would
have
expected.
G
The
mill
would
set
the
tone
for
the
development
and
it
may
well,
but
I
I
don't
get
a
sense
of
that
from
these
papers.
I
I
it
needs
to
feel
sort
of
mil-stroke
industrial
stroke
modernized.
If
you
see
what
I
mean
and
I
I
don't
get
the
flavor
of
that
from
what
I've
seen
we
didn't
go
in.
Obviously
we
didn't
go
inside
the
mill.
I
don't
know
what
the
inside
offers
in
terms
of
space
or
characterization
or
any
of
that.
G
But
the
pictures
we've
got
just
look
like
blocks
of
flats
nicely
designed
actually
and
with
balconies,
which
are
appearing
in
increasing
number,
if
they're
wide
enough
for
colin
to
look
out
but
and
again
looking
this
morning
at
the
brickwork
on
the
on
the
mill
I
mean
it
is
very
characterful.
I
don't
know
how
much,
how
much
renovation
that
will
need
to
make
it
sound,
and
I
can
see
from
the
papers
that
you
you're
definitely
attempting
to
sort
of
mirror
that
or
or
reflect
its
characteristics
in
the
development.
G
R
Say
sorry,
it's
just
a
clarification
apology
if
it
wasn't
clear
on
on
the
the
drawings,
but
the
midland
mills
doesn't
fall
within
our
ownership,
so
so
yeah,
so
so
that
falls
within
the
the
midland
tower
ownership
city
life.
So
they've
already
got
consent
on
that.
But
what
I'd
just
like
to
add,
as,
as
I
said
before,
we're
working
very
closely
with
city
life,
because
we
realize
that
you
know
the
key
thing
is
to
bring
forward
that
mill.
So
you
know
really
celebrates
its
heritage,
but
we
can't
influence
at
the
moment.
R
All
we
can
do
is
work
very
closely
with
them
as
a
adjoining
stakeholder
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we
can
do
as
much
as
we
can
to
celebrate
that,
such
as
potentially
taking
down
the
wall
and
making
sure
we
work
closer
than
I'll
hand
you
over
well
to
tim.
If
you
want
to
talk,
if
you
want
to
ask
some
questions
around
the
design,
but
that's
just
clarifying
that
in
the
middle
of
mills.
G
R
So
they're
looking
to
start
around
the
same
time
as
us,
so
it
will
pretty
much
start
on
site.
At
the
same
time,
we
did
look
to
to
buy
the
site,
often
being
completely
open,
but
they
weren't
willing
to
sell
it
they're
very
keen
to
to
bring
it
for
themselves.
So
we
did
look
at
that
counsellor,
but
it
just
didn't
work
for
them
commercially.
A
Thank
you,
neil.
F
Thanks
joe
yeah,
so
we
still
have
to
decide
on
our
our
three
options.
Don't
we
sure
we
do?
I
am
loath
to
give
up
on
any
affordables
in
the
city
centre.
F
I
think
affordable
housing
in
the
city
centre
is
an
essential
part
of
of
our
objectives.
As
a
council
that
said,
take
on
board
officers,
suggestions
about
having
money
into
the
sustainable
travel
fund
and
but
with
a
focus
on
the
physical
measures
chair
rather
than
the
behavior
change
measures.
I
think
I'll
probably
go
for
option
three.
If
it's
the,
if
it's
the
the
focus
on
the
physical
measures,
I
think
that
that
would
be
my
choice.
F
F
L
L
If
it's
all
that
being
built
at
least,
is
it
a
vast
vast
improvement
and,
as
I
said,
it
does
get
us
some
some
decent
housing
I'd
be
on
the
on
the
options
I
mean
I'd,
be
myself
in
in
favor
of
going
for
affordable
housing
because
we
we
lose
too
much
in
cities
enter,
and
you
know
at
some
point.
What
we've
got
to
do
is
say
enough,
so
nothing
and
stick
with
it.
L
N
I
appreciate
what
we
said
about
the
design
of
the
particular
building.
I
I
would
I'm
flagging
up,
because
I'm
I'm
not
100
happy
with
this.
In
fact,
I'm
not
very
happy
with
it.
Actually,
I
appreciate
the
design
as
a
standalone
design
works,
but
I
think
from
what
we
saw
on
site
this
morning
and
the
drawings
we've
seen
it
will
swamp
midland
mills.
In
my
opinion,
it
will.
The
buildings
are
much
higher.
N
They
don't
frame
the
mill
and
I
know
it's
a
different
site,
but
at
the
front
in
particular
at
the
sides
it
will
be
a
considerable
amount
of
development,
and
I
know
we've
got
this
this
view
across
on
pitt
on
number
37,
which
is
this
open
aspect
that
shows
us
a
substantial
chunk
of
mill,
but
once
I
think,
midland
tower
gets
built
next
door
and
we
notice
they
clear
the
site
today.
So
it
looks
like
there's
some
activity
there.
I
think
the
the
modern
development
will
will.
N
I
was
going
to
say,
as
I
said,
swamp,
what
is
a
really
interesting
listed
building
for
those
of
us
who
went
around
on
the
original
set
of
site
visits
on
the
mill.
It
really
is
it's
like
stepping
back
in
time.
It's
really
fascinating
stuff,
and
I
I
like
I
said
I
don't
think-
and
I
know
it's
outside
their
control-
the
developers
control,
but
without
taking
down
the
wall,
the
landscaping
doesn't
work,
so
I'm
not
supportive
of
that
as
it
stands
at
the
moment.
N
Why
should
we
set
aside
policy
in
relation
to
affordables,
and
we've
said
you,
you
said
it
on
numerous
occasions
about
the
absence
of
affordable
units
within
the
city
centre
and
what
always
goes
when
we
have
a
development
that
is
said
to
be
unaffordable
or
it's
difficult
to
afford
the
the
affordable
housing
goes
and
so
we're
actually
driving
that
people
who
were
relatively
low
income
out
of
the
city
centre,
which
I
think
is
wrong.
N
Personally,
I'm
also
somewhat
concerned
when
we
found
out
that
the
the
contribution
to
afford
towards
affordable
green
space
in
the
wider
area
would
disappear.
Now,
if
there's
anywhere
in
the
city
that
needs
some
green
space,
it's
this
part
of
the
city
centre.
N
There
isn't
any
well,
there
is,
if
you
count
the
top
of
the
railway
viaduct
next
door,
which
is
you
know,
unaccessible,
so
it
it
seems
to
me
that
we're
being
asked
by
the
developer,
in
effect,
to
allow
development
which
requires
the
council
to
provide
a
subsidy
and
the
subsidy,
is
all
those
things
that
we
regard
as
a
basic
essential
in
the
development
to
set
those
aside
and
it.
It
seems
from
what
we've
said
that
we
actually
the
council
may
be
involved
in
further
expense.
N
Over
and
above
that,
in
relation
to
improving
the
the
road
outside
the
development
to
make
it
usable
for
pedestrians,
you
were
right,
you're
right
about
it.
Being
I
wouldn't
want
to
walk
down
there
at
night.
In
fact,
it's
a
bit.
It
was
a
bit
iffy
down
there
on
the
bus
with
all
the
rest
of
us.
It's
not
a
pleasant
place
at
all,
and
so
it
seems
to
me
that
the
council
will
be
pressurized
by
the
local
councillors
into
doing
something.
N
So,
in
some
ways,
as
I've
said
on
more
than
one
occasion,
if
we
set
aside
these
these
basic
policies,
in
effect
we're
providing
subsidy
to
the
developer
because
they
don't
have
to,
we
don't
have
to
fund
it.
Quite
frankly,
it's
you
know.
We
talk
about
developments
in
the
city
center
and
occasionally
we
say:
can
we
tweak
one
of
the
our
policies
and
tweaking
one
policy
I
can
agree
with,
but
we're
tweaking
effectively
we're
setting
aside
so
many
of
our
policies
on
this
one,
so
many
of
them.
N
It
seems
to
me
that
at
the
moment,
going
back
to
what
I
said
at
the
very
beginning,
this
isn't
a
viable
development
and
I
I
would
suggest
I
will
propose
that
we
don't
accept
the
officer's
recommendation
that
we
we
are
mindful
to
refuse
the
application,
because
it
is
contrary
to
so
many
policies
and
we've
listed
the
robot
list
in
several
I've
listed
a
lot
as
well.
You
know
we
we
just
can't
keep
setting
aside
policy
what's
the
point
of
having
a
policy,
if
you
don't
keep
to
it,
so
that
would
be
my
proposal.
A
Thank
you
cullen
there,
a
second
for
that
proposal.
G
Always
colin,
your
rationale
is
very
sensible
and
helpful,
but
when
you're
talking
about
city
developing
an
area
like
this,
which,
as
you
say,
isn't
a
particularly
pleasant
area,
the
only
way
it's
going
to
become
pleasanter
is
if
we
have
developments
there
and
because
they
are
difficult
sites
and
because
they're
challenging
and
because
they're
not
particularly
pleasant.
G
N
I
I
don't
disagree
with
you
and
I
know
that
we
might
have
to
make
compromises
to
stimulate
development
in
certain
areas,
but
I
think
there
is
a
tipping
point.
Isn't
that
so,
if
it
was
just
one
element
of
policy
that
we
had
problems
with,
I
would
be
prepared
to
say
well,
yeah,
okay,
to
get
it
going,
but
they
do
seem
to
be
a
significant
number
of
policy
issues
with
relation
to
this
site
and
what's
proposed-
and
I
think
it's
fair
to
say,
isn't
it
that
you
know
we're
on
a
the
model.
N
These
built
to
rent
models
is,
it
is
a
difficult
one
for
certain
people
to
develop
because
of
the
cost
implications
and
we've
had
several
of
them
come
to
to
panel.
Haven't
we
where
developers
said
because
of
the
model
we
can't
afford
to
do
all
the
things
that
you
regard
as
basic
to
a
development,
and
I
think
you
know
you
get
to
a
point
where
you
say
well.
This
is
just
too
much
the
needs.
N
Now,
there's
lots
of
uses
you
could
put
on
that
site
because
next
door,
I
think
it's
residential,
isn't
it
so
the
mill
is
residential.
As
far
as
I'm
aware,
you
know
that
works
for
them.
The
other
side
of
the
viaduct
we've
got
several
residential
ones
being
built
as
even
as
we
speak.
So
there
are
models
that
will
work
down
there.
A
Colin,
none
of
us
like
setting
policies
aside,
but
on
the
legislation
to
develop
a
summary
to
put
forward
her
viability
case
and
brian
has
explained
it
very
carefully
to
us
and
clearly
we
have
to
take
notice
of
it.
In
I
know,
councillor
gruen
has
put
the
opposite
side
according
to
you,
but
this
is
a
site.
That's
been
vacant
for
20
years,
or
so
it
may
be
vacant
for
another
20
years
and
it
may
also
affect
the
development
of
middle
and
middles
if
this
doesn't
go
ahead.
A
So
these
are
all
things
for
for
for
the
panel
to
consider.
Never,
nevertheless,
it's
being
moved
and
seconded,
so
we
shall
go
to
the
vote.
A
Can
you
again
say
clearly
what
you
you?
You
did
use
the
right
words,
I'm
just
making
sure
that
andy's
got
them.
Sorry.
N
The
panel
are
mindful
to
refuse
the
application
because
it
is
contrary
to
and
then
there's
a
long
list
of
planning
policies
which
I
robert
and
the
report
mentions.
J
F
F
M
I
know
you're
wanting
more
from
me
today
right
it's
in,
but
each
of
h4,
h5,
en1
part
1
en8
in
terms
of
charging
and
cycling
policy.
I
hope
that's
helpful.
I
I
mean
I've
got
significant
concerns
around
this.
I
think
the
main
one
actually
we
haven't
listed
yet
is
is
the
lack
of
the
green
space
contribution
and
then
probably
the
the
section
106
contribution
in
terms
of
what
else
we
would
have
added
to
cycling
and
walking
in
the
area.
It
is
this
very
difficult
one
of
this
model
and
I
am
stuck
in
a
balance
of
whether
it's
better
to
put
something
here
and
hope.
Some,
I
don't
know
the
world's
collided
and
we've
been
in
here
so
long,
it's
the
end
of
the
world.
I
It
appears,
but
I'm
unsure,
of
whether
it's
better
to
put
something
here
and
then
wait
for
the
community
around
to
grow
and
the
improvements
to
come
or
whether
this
is
a
step
too
far,
and
this
model
unfortunately,
cannot
provide
us
the
requirements
that
would
set
to
a
site.
I
The
council
effectively
subsidizing
some
of
those
things
and
the
nearby
residents
getting
what
they
deserve
from
this
development
coming
forward.
There's
also,
I
guess,
a
fairness
that
a
lot
of
the
other
developers
are
going
to
have
to
subsidize
things
that
this
development
could
have
paid
for
were
a
different
model.
Obviously
we
have
to
look
at
what's
in
front
of
us
today,
but
I
do
think.
I
Maybe
this
is
a
step
too
far
and
I'm
worried
that
somebody
else
will
come
for
a
site,
neighboring
and
we'll
lose
that
green
space
provision
again,
and
then
there
will
be
no
more
green
space
going
in
this
area.
I
know
we've
got
big
ambitions
in
this
area,
but
I'm
imagining
that
the
council
weren't
expecting
to
put
quite
as
much
money
their
hand
in
their
pockets
and
fund
the
majority
of
it
themselves.
They
were
hoping
for
these
contributions
to
come
forward.
A
Given
what's
been
said
around
the
table
and
there's
been
positive
remarks
and
obviously
concern,
and
rightly
so,
about
policy
being
set
aside,
do
you
think
that
we
could
defer
for
one
cycle
which
will
give
the
developers
an
opportunity
to
come
forward,
and
perhaps
close
some
of
these
gaps
is?
Is
that
something
we
could
go?
Do
okay,
I'll
take
I'll?
First,
please.
H
If
we
do
do
that,
what
peter
said
about
having
a
general
plan
of
the
whole
area
would
be
extremely
handy
so
that
we
could
judge
it
accordingly,
because
at
the
moment
I'm
I
agree
with
with
caroline
it.
We
really
need
something,
because
it's
like
that,
that
phrase
it's
like
an
area
where
the
devil
walketh
about
seeking
whom
he
may
devour
from
the
compliment
service.
It
really
is,
and
it
need
it
mustn't
that
must
stop.
H
We
really
need
to
get
that
connectivity
into
between
the
city
center
and
through
to
holbeck
for
everyone's
sake
and
just
having
the
middle
and
mills
development
and
no
other
development.
I
don't
think
we'll
do
that.
I
think
that
is
a
very
bad
situation,
but
I
think
maybe
postponing
it,
as
you
suggest,
for
us
just
short
time
to
see
what
the
developers
might
come
back
with
and
give
us
a
whole
overall
plan
of
the
whole
area
would
be
very
wise.
Thank
you.
A
N
Well,
I
think
it
will
be
churlish
others
not
not
to
say
I
think
the
developers
must
have
got
the
feeling
that
we're
not
too
happy,
especially
in
the
world,
so
it
would
be.
Surely
shoppers
not
to
say
well,
yes,
okay,
we
will
allow
you
to
go
away
and
think
about
what's
been
said
and
see
what
you
can
come
back
with,
that
might
persuade
us
to
to
agree
the
development
in
this
in
its
in
this
present
form.
But
I
think
I
will
reiterate
what
I've
said,
and
that
is.
N
A
G
A
O
I
appreciate
that,
thank
you
in
terms
of
the
final
point
with
regard
to
the
mill
developer,
that
that's
already
happening
very
much,
so
I
act
for
those
also
and
in
every
week
I've.
Obviously,
meetings
on
both
sides
pass
over
the
information.
O
They've
met
independently
of
the
developers
of
both-
and
I
say
that's
very
much
looking
to
work
together.
It
could
be
on
site
at
the
same
time
there's
lots
of
synergy
through
what
they
want
to
do
together.
In
terms
of
the
deliverability
point
of
view.
Sometimes
you
get
competition
between
developers
for
obvious
obvious
reasons.
Again,
it's
very
much
different
in
these
two
sites,
because
this
is
an
undeveloped
part
of
the
city.
O
At
the
moment,
the
developers
want
each
other
to
come
on
board
to
help
each
other
and
to
bring
that
activity
and
to
bring
the
other
elements
that
that
brings
in
terms
of
safety,
so
that's
something
which
they
very
very
much
work
together.
I
suppose,
then,
just
what
I'm
speaking
out,
I
would
just
ask
members
to,
I
suppose,
clarify
what
we
can
do
to
try
and
make
it
better
if
it
is
to
come
back
and
next
time.
O
I'm
not
going
to
so
open
that
that
now,
because
that's
not
necessarily
my
remit
and
others
may
want
to
talk
about
that,
but
there's
that
the
sort
of
pot,
I
suppose,
is
only
so
big
and
it's
trying
to
see
what
could
be
done
on
the
site
to
improve
it
through
the
landscaping
and
we
could
emphasize
obviously
where
lighting
is
and
things
like
that,
and
we
can
emphasize
that
the
connectivity
that
will
happen
with
the
midland
mill
scheme
onto
bathroom
and
things
like
that.
Just
in
terms
of
the
energy
policies
they
they
are
met
and
exceeded.
O
So
it
touched
on
how
one
policy
is
out
of
date,
but
the
actual
achievement
is
much
greater
than
what
that
policy
requires.
So
it
doesn't
fall
short
in.
In
that
sense,
in
achieving
a
inverted
comma,
sustainable
scheme,
it
does
an
awful
lot
more
and
that
the
new
sustainability
officer
that
sort
of
commented
a
little
bit
later
in
the
application
since
they've
come
into
post,
have
asked
for
lots
of
detail
which
we
all
have
and
that's
all,
coming
through
the
conditions.
So
there's
100
commitment
to
achieve
that
sustainability.
O
So
that's
something
where
we
just
want
the
best
kit
to
be
put
in
at
the
best
time,
rather
than
putting
in
just
the
same
old
charges
today,
which
are
actually
becoming
out
of
date
every
six
months
in
a
year,
and
things
like
that,
so
that's
yeah,
we
hold
our
hands
up.
The
policy
says
100
day,
one
we're
saying
100
year:
five,
which
I'm
sure
we
could
discuss,
but
then
that's
the
reasoning
behind
it,
but
all
the
cabling
etc.
Is
there
on
day
one.
A
I
I
But
there
are
many
areas
here
where
it
just
isn't:
policy
compliant,
and
it
may
be
impossible
for
you
to
do
that
with
this
particular
model
and
that's
disappointing
for
yourselves
and
I'm
sure
it's
disappointing
for
us
who
want
to
see
something
on
this
site,
but
I
think
we're
reasonably
clear
that
without
the
affordable
housing
provision,
without
the
section
106
for
all
the
transport
requirements
that
are
needed
in
the
area
and
without
the
green
space
contribution,
there's
a
significant
detriment
to
the
surrounding
communities
and
the
the
work
going
on
in
this
area,
and
that's
probably
what
members
are
most
focused
on
and
then
obviously
there
were
the
points
around
design
that
were
made.
I
An
excellent
answer
has
been
given
but,
as
you
say
chair,
I'm
sure
officers
will
know
that
we
need
to
make
that
balance
of
a
decision
and
they
will
come
back
with
the
best
thing
that
they
think
will
affect
that
balance.
It
may
not
be
possible
with
this
model
on
this
site,
but
that
is
the
unfortunate
position
that
we're
into
I'm
afraid.
A
A
A
Is
that
unanimous
amazing?
Thank
you
all
before
we
close
can
I
can
I
first
of
all
thank
brian
you've
done
an
excellent
job
and
you've
been
helpful.
As
usual,
the
members
have
obviously
been
concerns
about
setting
aside
too
many
policies.
That's
clearly
the
issue
for
developers
to
take
forward,
and
I
think
in
some
ways
rightly
so
you
know
at
the
end
of
the
day
it's
ours
to
it's
our
role
to
get
the
best
we
can
for
the
area
best
for
our
city
and,
I
think,
they're
doing
a
sterling
job
on
that.
A
B
A
Good
good
evening
now
nice
to
see
you
again
and
thank
you
for
showing
us
around
the
headroom
buildings.
We
particularly
enjoyed
your.
What
do
you
call
the
virtual
reality?
I
have
told
one
of
your
members.
You
know
what
we
did
and
I
think
they
regret
that
their
diary
meant
they
couldn't.
They
couldn't
come
and
see
it
for
themselves,
but
we
are
where
we
are
we
all
enjoyed.
It
was
the
first
experience
for
most
of
us
and
maybe
it's
the
future
of
planning
who
knows,
but
it
certainly
was
very
helpful.
A
I
I'm
going
to
ask
dolga
to
say
a
few
words
just
a
few
words,
but
it's
your
presentation
and
it's
up
to
you
to
get
it
across,
and
members
might
be
delighted
to
know
that
I
just
said
we're
having
a
flight
through
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
at
the
end
of
the
presentation,
so
they're
always
worth
having
as
well.
Isn't
it
certainly
using
technology?
Well,
you
guys
well
done
over
to
you,
belgium,.
C
Thank
you,
chair,
yeah,
I'll
I'll,
keep
it
brief.
As
you
said,
it's
the
applicants
or
developers
presentation,
but
this
is
the
pre-app
presentation.
It's
informal
part
of
the
meeting.
It's
the
first
time
we're
bringing
a
co-living
proposal
to
to
panel
to
consider
and
we
don't
have
a
a
a
specific
policy
in
our
core
strategy
for
co-living
accommodation.
C
We
do
have
policies
about
general,
residential
immunity
and
residential
infrastructure,
and
this
is
a
form
of
long-term
residential
accommodation,
and
so,
as
officers,
we've
worked
closely
with
the
the
the
developers
for
the
proposal
to
consider
those
general
policies
in
the
round
and
and
it
gets
the
the
best
proposals
that
we
can
in
terms
of
residential
immunity,
outlook
daylight,
the
kind
of
their
living
facilities
that
you
might
need.
C
What
but
the
but
the
central
proposition
from
an
officer's
point
of
view
and
in
the
report
is
that
what
we're
asking
members
to
consider
is
are:
is
it
acceptable
to
have
smaller,
sized
private
residential
elements
in
return
for
larger
communal
residential
space,
which
mitigates
in
part
the
the
the
the
smaller
size,
private
elements
by
providing
communal
kitchens,
communal
workspaces,
communal
social
spaces
and
and
that's
what
I
think,
the
the
the
developers
will
be
presented
to
you
in
terms
of
what
that
means
as
a
core
living
model?
C
It's
not
the
only
formal
co-living
model.
I've
become
aware
during
these
discussions
that
there's
a
wide
range,
although
it's
new
to
leeds.
It
is
something
that's
come
forward
in
other
cities,
but
I
think
in
terms
of
what
we've
negotiated
with
the
developers
side,
this
is,
I
would
say,
at
the
top
end
of
what
we've
seen
so
without
further
ado
I'll
pass
it
back
to
the
developer's
chair.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
you
know
what
to
expect
you've
sat
here,
probably
too
long
really,
and
I
apologize
for
that,
but
it
is
what
it
is.
When
we
sit
around
this
table,
we
are
very
thrilled.
So
obviously
it's
good
that
you've
actually
seen
that
manu,
introduce
us
and
let's
get
cracking.
B
Thank
you,
and
so
many
dinamani
one
of
the
investment
directors
at
rocky
jones.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
for
letting
us
sort
of
go
through
our
proposals
with
you.
We
are
a
developer
of
over
150
years
in
age,
we've
developed
homes
up
and
down
the
country,
43
000.
In
fact,
and
we
have
a
current
pipeline,
which
is
over
12
12
000
strong,
we're
an
end-to-end
developer,
unlike
some
others,
so
we
acquire
design
build
but
then
also
manage
the
units
at
the
end.
So
we've
got
a
long-term
invested
interest
in
these
projects.
B
We
have
a
sister
company
that
to
manage
on
our
behalf
and
they've.
They
currently
manage
over
20
000
units
so
very
experienced,
and
we
use
that
insight
into
the
products
that
we
put
together.
So
I'm
joined
by
my
colleague,
alex
who
run
for
the
proposals,
but
also
stephen
bell
from
turley's
our
planning
consultant
and
jeremy
picard.
Our
architect
swap.
S
Yeah
thanks
manny,
so
this
is
an
attractive
and
prominent
building
on
the
head
row
in
recent
years,
office
space
is
migrated
to
the
west
and
the
south
of
the
city
centre
and
the
building
is
now
empty.
We
believe
the
future
of
the
building
lies
in
a
housing
offer.
The
building
layout
lends
itself
well
to
the
proposed
studio
design
more
so
than
a
typical
residential
one
and
we
believe
the
building
works
well
for
co-living.
S
We
want
to
improve
the
building's
interior
and
exterior
and
create
a
high
quality
living
environment.
This
will
encourage
working
people
into
the
city
centre,
aiding
spending
and
the
economy
the
proposals
the
proposal
is
sustainable
in
use
and
design.
We
are
greening
the
building
through
new
roof
terraces,
but
also
a
range
of
carbon
reduction
technology.
S
S
Thank
you
alex
so
at
its
heart,
the
proposal
will
provide
an
appealing
living
environment
suited
to
modern
lifestyles
and
just
like
built
to
rent
beforehand
before
it.
Co-Living
is
intended
to
bring
something
new
to
the
housing
market.
S
This
is
a
response
to
known
demand,
is
growing
in
popularity
and
is
destined
to
play
an
important
part
in
meeting
future
housing
needs
and
consistent
with
the
council's
core
strategy.
This
product
will
contribute
to
city
center
living
and
provide
further
long-term
housing
choice
to
residents,
but
it
does
offer
something
distinctly
different.
There
are
three
key
elements
that
we
feel
distinguishes
it
from
other
city
centre
living,
firstly,
community
now,
co-living
deliberately
seeks
to
encourage
social,
social
interaction
and
this
sense
of
community
in
order
to
enhance
the
well-being
of
the
residents
living
within
it.
S
It's
principally
focused
on
single
persons.
Those
more
likely
to
mix
studios
provide
essential
living
needs,
but
a
size
to
encourage
residents
to
seek
out
other
spaces
within
the
building
and
a
broad
range
of
communal
spaces
are
provided
designed
specifically
to
foster
those
shared
experiences,
building
management
and
the
use
of
app
based
technology
that
encourages
residents
to
make
use
of
those
spaces
and
involve
themselves
in
a
wide
range
of
activities
that
are
hosted.
S
The
second
area
is
around
flexibility.
The
markets
being
targeted,
appreciate
the
flexibility
and
the
accessibility
of
the
offer.
The
simple,
straightforward
tenancy
arrangements
mean
that
you
can
sign
up
and
then
move
in
the
next
day
and
the
length
of
stay
can
be
tailored
to
needs,
but
at
a
minimum
of
three
months
we
feel
that
that
right
reaches
the
right
balance
and
the
third
area
is
inclusivity.
S
S
S
It
provides
an
alternative
to
owner
occupation,
which
is
out
of
reach
for
many,
and
a
difference
from
bill
to
rent
products
is
targeted
at
specific
parts
of
the
housing
market,
be
it
recent
graduates,
young
professionals,
those
coming
to
the
city
for
work,
downsizers
or
corporate
employees
seeking
space
near
their
work
and
extensive
research
has
shown
that
these
parts
of
the
market
are
seeking
the
key
differences.
I've
described.
S
Evidence
also
shows
that
leeds
has
one
of
the
largest
unmet
markets
in
the
uk.
There
is
clear
demand
and
we
believe
this
proposal
will
respond
to
that
demand,
and
in
doing
so
it
will
help
meet
the
city's
overall.
Housing
needs
help
to
relieve
pressure
to
deliver
housing
in
more
peripheral
areas,
support
graduate
retention,
reduce
the
need
to
commute
and
ultimately
support
the
city
center
economy
at
what
what
is
obviously
a
critical
time.
Thank
you.
Jeremy.
T
Our
proposal
seeks
to
maximize
the
existing
confined
direct
line
entrance
area
by
introducing
new
materials
that
are
modern.
Yet
in
keeping
with
the
style
and
palette
of
the
existing
building.
With
the
open
and
transparent
connection
into
the
building
and
use
of
new
feature,
artwork
color,
decorative
lighting
and
bold
signage,
the
main
entrance
will
be
will
be
articulated
far
more
clearly
and
distinctly
currently
bounded
by
commercial
premises.
That
close
at
night,
the
entrance
will
brighten
dortmund
square
and
reinforce
the
safety
of
the
square.
With
that
24-hour
active
presence.
T
The
studios
form
the
home
within
the
within
the
community,
and
these
forms
that
they're
called
private
spaces.
The
studios
are
designed
to
accommodate
the
general
living
functions
expected
within
a
studio
with
a
clearly
defined
kitchen,
bathroom,
living
and
sleeping
areas.
Although
these
functions
are
provided
living
functions
found
in
the
shared
meaty
areas
of
the
building
work
to
enhance
the
offering
with
a
more
extensive
array
of
equipment,
pictures
and
areas
such
as
laundry
rooms,
shared
kitchens,
lounges
and
co-working
spaces
the
year.
T
Shared
kitchens
and
dining
areas
provided
throughout
the
building
in
support
of
the
studios
and
we're
providing
currently
two
per
floor
within
within
clusters.
These
kitchens
provide
additional
equipment
and
tools
for
residents
to
either
cook
more
advanced
meals
or
just
cook
socially,
are
sized
to
accommodate
an
entire
cluster.
During
evening
times,
these
kitchen
spaces
will
be
cleaned
by
management
team
throughout
the
course
of
the
day
and
refused
taken
out
regularly.
T
Larger
spaces
for
residents
are
provided
in
clusters
throughout
the
building
and
such
as
this
lounge
space,
provided
on
the
first
floor,
which
provides
space
residents
to
relax
and
more
social
setting
with
a
variety
of
seating
styles
for
different
group
sizes
and
uses
branching
onto
the
existing
courtyard,
which
will
be
renovated
in
the
landscape.
This
area
does
provide
a
large
media
cluster
in
the
heart
of
the
building
that
can
be
used
for
more
quiet
activities
or
for
larger
and
managed
building.
Events.
T
These
large
community
spaces
are
then
clustered
in
strategic
locations
throughout
the
building
to
encourage
movement
of
residents
through
and
around
the
building,
rather
than
focusing
them
in
one
place.
This
starts
providing
opportunities
for
residents
to
interact
with
each
other
and
create
those
chance
encounters
that
you
would
that
you
would
have
in
the
street
the
distribution
of
types
of
immunity
provided
residents,
a
wide
range
of
choices,
a
wide
choice
of
spaces
to
spend
their
time
in
and
allows
each
space
or
cluster
to
develop
its
own
character
and
again
reinforce
a
sense
of
community.
T
Health
and
well-being
of
residents
are
fundamental
considerations
as
development,
especially
following
findings
during
the
pandemic,
and
the
provision
of
high
quality
external
immunity
is
a
major
aspect
of
our
offering
and
proposal
and
proposals
providing
a
range
of
external,
private
and
semi-private
spaces
that
give
residents
space
to
breathe
while
quality
soft
planting
provides
visual
and
tactile
immunity
that
enhance
the
spaces
and
establishes
that
natural
connection
loneliness
is
a
major
concern.
We
have
found
in
residential
developments
over
the
last
few
years
and
again
providing
this
immunity
starts
to
interact
and
create
that
social.
T
T
S
So
so,
just
briefly
touching
on
the
key
benefits
of
the
scheme,
I
think
jeremy's
touched
on
a
lot
of
those
social
and
environmental,
but
just
moving
on
to
the
economic
which
we
briefly
touched
on.
So
the
graduate
retention
of
the
scheme
is
key.
It
brings
real
a
new
product
to
two
leads
in
that
sense:
affordable
housing.
So
you
have
a
policy
for
bill
to
rent
so
that
a
payment
in
lieu
can
be
paid
in
in
lieu
of
affordable
housing.
We've
made
a
significant
10
minutes
check.
S
So
we've
made
a
significant
contribution
to
the
affordable
housing
fund
and
also
it
is
the
expenditure
in
the
city
point.
We
we
want
to
add
investment
into
the
city
centre,
so
we
we
can
show
the
walk-through
of
the
development
or
we
can
go
on
to
q,
a
jeremy.
Would
you
like
to
do
the
walkthrough.
T
This
is
this-
is
a
this
is
providing
a
glimpse
of
the
new
main
entrance
from
dortmund
square
into
development,
showing
that
that
kind
of
point
of
contact
with
the
concierge,
with
clear
surveillance
out
over
the
square
and
of
keeping
an
eye
on
people
coming
into
the
development
trying
to
reinforce
existing
materials
with
paul's
use
of
color,
which
again
activates
the
dormant
square?
T
If
you
could
please
click
on
the
arrow
there?
Yes,
thank
you.
This
is
giving
you
a
look
around.
This
is
the
look
and
feel
of
the
the
social
lounge
space.
On
the
first
floor,
which
again
is
offering
a
series
of
kind
of
the
same
things
with
the
kind
of
tv
area,
games,
areas,
drop-down
spaces
for
people
to
work
or
just
perhaps
read
we'll,
have
a
chat,
we'll
have
a
coffee.
It's
noticed
a
coffee
bar
in
there.
T
We
look
at
managed
facilities
that
will
encourage
residents
to
come
out
of
their
studios
and
come
and
use
these
spaces,
and
there
we
are
trying
to
reinforce
that
relationship
with
the
outdoor
community
space,
which
then
has
external
dining
and
games
areas
as
well.
Trying
to
create
their
relationship
and
again
that
they're
clustering,
internal
external
immunity
to
try
and
achieve
critical
mass.
T
And
this
is
an
example
of
one
of
the
shared
kitchens
showing
kind
of
the
workstation
set
shaped
into
you,
which
again
sort
of
showed
that
kind
of
social
setting
where
individuals
can
cook
together,
cook
individually
or
cook
together,
which
then
turns
around
and
then
has
a
social
dining
area
for
residents
that
then
overlooks
sort
of
wimbled
row
and
on
the
outdoor
terraces.
T
And
here
we
have
a
glimpse
just
into
into
one
of
the
studios,
so
this
shows
kind
of
as
you
walk
as
you
come
into
the
studio.
You
can
see
your
kitchen
there
with
your
fully
equipped
kitchen
on
the
left
and
your
large
bathroom
on
the
right
there
with
kind
of
your
and
that
creates
your
threshold
into
the
unit.
T
So
you
don't
walk
straight
into
you
straight
into
the
unit,
there's
a
clear
threshold
in
terms
of
layering
privacy
from
from
the
corridors
and
there
you
can
see
through
maximizing
daylight
through
the
use
of
the
existing
windows
and
putting
the
bed
the
bed
sleeping
area
at
the
end
there.
So
again
it's
about
layering
of
private
and
public
space,
even
within
the
studio
units.
T
T
And
show
you
there's
a
large
provision
of
storage
for
the
news
as
well,
for
wardrobes
storage
under
beds
really
trying
to
use
smart
design
to
maximize
livability
of
the
usability
of
the
studios.
Thank
you
and
then
this
is.
This
is
our
first
design
looking
at
the
repurposing
of
the
roof
facing
of
the
hedgerow,
so
currently
it's
covered
in
plant
and
we're
looking
at
again
try
and
create
a
green
green
edge
and
again
create
that
risk.
T
That
moment
of
respect
for
residents
want
to
come
up
there
and
actually
enjoy
that
outdoor
space
against
their
space
to
breathe,
with
fantastic
views
kind
of
out
well,
depending
which
way
you
are
facing
north
east,
south
and
west.
So
virginia
on,
this
facade
is
looking
out
back
south
of
the
hedgerow.
A
Thank
you
for
that.
It
was,
as
I
say,
it
was
good
to
meet
you
on
site.
A
It's
open
now
for
members
questions
I'll
place.
H
First,
yes,
I'm
really
sorry.
I
have
to
go
to
a
school
governor's
meeting,
that's
quite
important,
but
just
before
I
do
I'd
like
to
say
that
at
the
site
visit
today,
I
was
very
impressed
with
the
plans
and
I
continue
to
be
impressed.
I
like
the
principle
of
it
for
the
target
market
and
I
think
that
no
one's
looking
at
this
for
their
lifetime
home
really
but
given
what
it
is.
It
certainly
would
have
suited
me
at
certain
stages
in
my
life,
and
I
think
it's
a
good
idea.
H
I
also
asked
about
the
anti-social,
behavior
policy
with
them
and
was
reassured
someone
else
might
like
to
ask
that,
because
I
have
to
go
now,
but
I
was
did
think
it
was
all
right.
I
do
wonder
about
how
light
some
of
the
studios
will
be.
That's
something
that
could
perhaps
be
explored,
but
in
general
I
thought
it
was
a
good
thing
and
I'm
very
sorry.
I
have
to
go
now.
G
Yes,
well,
I'd
like
to
agree
with
everything
that
that
councillor
garthwaite
has
just
said
and
having
looked
again
at
your
walk
through,
I,
I
do
actually
feel
that
the
two
windows
probably
won't
let
enough
daylight
into
the
back
of
the
units.
That's
a
personal
view,
I'm
addicted
to
daylight.
So
that's
important
for
me.
I
think
it's
a
good
concept
and
I
think
what
you've
presented
is
a
high
quality
example
of
it.
G
I
think,
as
a
city,
we
might
need
to
think
about
how
much
of
this
we
can
absorb.
I'm
sure
there
is
a
market
for
it,
but
I
don't
see
it.
I
mean
I
think
that
we've
gone
over
the
top
on
student
housing.
We
don't
want
to
make
the
same
mistake
with
this.
That's
just
a
strategic
general
point,
but
I
did
feel
that
the
units
were
certainly
big
enough
with
the
double
bed,
space
and
seating
area
etc,
and,
as
has
already
been
said,
I
think
it's
ideal
for
a
particular
age
group.
N
Yeah
a
couple
couple
of
questions,
I
suppose
the
obvious
one
is
where's
the
washing
machine
because
he
isn't
on
the
fly
through.
That's
a
slightly
flipping
question.
The
second
one
is
perhaps
more
important
and
that
is
related
to
safeguarding
now.
In
effect,
this
is
like
very
similar
to
student
flats
that
we're
seeing
quite
a
lot
of
now.
N
Well,
the
students
on
the
student
providers
have
got
a
fairly
clear
policy
in
relation
to
how
you
make
sure
the
wrong
sort
of
people
don't
move
in,
because
the
muscus
are
all
students,
but
these
this
will
be
a
range
of
people.
So
could
you
just
explain
to
us
how,
in
effect
you
your
safeguarding
policy
and
how?
I
suppose,
let's
be
honest,
you
vet
people
who
come
along.
S
So
so
in
terms
of
answering
that
we'll
take
the
easy
one
first,
so
jeremy,
if
you
want
to
talk
through
the
laundry
and
and
the
general
management
of
that
space
and
then
manu.
If
you
want
to
take
the
more
detailed
question
there.
T
Thank
you
councillor.
I
think
it
was
absolute
observation
about
the
washing
machine.
It's
actually
very
with
the
code
living,
it's
actually
very
deliberate
move
in
an
effort
to
make
sure
that
the
studios
aren't
fully
self-contained
and
encourage
residents
to
leave
their
studios
and
use
the
cumulative
spaces.
We
actually
use
a
communal,
laundry
and
use
that
as
a
node
and
activate
it
alongside
other
immunity
to
draw
students
into
a
social
space
and
rather
than
having
just
a
dedicated
group
of
washing
machines,
it's
actually
to
combine
it
with
immunity,
so
residents
can
do
their
laundry.
T
They
can
socialize.
They
can
chat,
perhaps
pop
into
the
next
space
while
their
laundry
is
on.
So
it's
a
mechanism
actually
trying
to
encourage
interaction
between
residents.
So,
although
that
you
can
live
in
your
studio
and
you
have
all
the
base
functions,
the
laundry
is
a
mechanism
we
try.
We
try
and
use
to
draw
them
out.
B
Just
in
terms
of
safeguarding
and
all
the
other
sort
of
points
of
the
mix
of
people
that
will
be
in
the
in
the
building
fresh,
our
operational
management
team
have
vast
experience
of
doing
that
for
us
across
our
pbsa
units
and
same
with
the
bill
to
rent,
and
I
guess,
like
the
bill's
rent
and
the
bbc,
will
have
almost
like
a
tick
boxing
system
of
referencing
prior
to
the
tenant
going
in,
but
also
almost
a
three
strikes
and
you're
outside
policy
for
take
riding
once
they
are
within
the
building.
N
So,
for
example,
we
were
talking
earlier
about
walking
through
down
water
lane
and
feeling
safe.
So
do
you
have
a
policy
where
I
suppose,
if
somebody
complained
about
unwanted
attention,
what
a
better
word?
What
if
I
moved
in
and
said,
robert
ears
keeps
molesting
me.
B
So
there's
an
extensive
management
team
on
site
and
there's
also
a
centralized
management
team,
so
it
would
be
pretty
easy
to,
especially
with
the
apps
and
the
digital
software
available
as
well.
It'll
be
really
easy
to
get
hold
of
the
management
team
either
on
site
or
centrally
to
you
know
to
complain
about
whether
it
is
another
individual
or
problem
within
the
building.
S
Can
I
just
say,
as
part
of
the
submission
today,
we
have
submitted
a
management
plan
and
there'll
be
a
detailed
management
plan
submitted
with
the
full
application
in
terms
of
the
staff
on
site,
we're
proposing
to
have
four
full-time
site
on-site
staff,
along
with
the
concierge
as
well,
then
there'll
be
a
whole
range
of
other
cleaning
staff
and
another
maintenance
staff
as
well.
So
there
will
always
be
a
presence
within
the
building.
B
I
think
current
plans
are
to
operate
an
on-site
security
provision
throughout
the
day
and
into
the
early
parts
of
the
evening,
but
it
won't
be
24
hours.
There
will
be
a
centralized,
effectively
management
line
that
they
could
call
and
operate.
So
there
will
be
something
someone
or
something
accessible,
but
it
won't
necessarily
be
an
on-site
provision.
An
on-site
managed
provision.
J
Thanks
chair,
unlike
some
of
my
colleagues,
I
don't
like
this.
I
think
I
think
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
know
the
difference
in
minimum
space
standards
between
this
co-living
or
so-called
co-living
space
and
a
c3
studio
flat
and
compared
also
with
a
one
bed
flat.
First
of
all
and
then
I'll
come
back.
S
C
So,
in
terms
of
space
standards,
if
we
were
to
compare
the
private
studio
element
here,
and
my
understanding
is
that
the
minimum
of
27
square
meters
for
a
one
bed,
one
person
flat,
the
minimum
space
standards-
is
37
square
meters
and
for
a
one
bed,
two
person
flat.
The
minimum
space
standard
is
50
square
meters.
So
the
stu,
the
private
studio
elements
are
significantly
less
than
our
adopted
minimum
space
standards
and
national
space
standards.
C
C
C
C
There's
a
laundry
room
not
on
every
floor.
I
think,
but
you
know,
there's
laundry
rooms
throughout
the
building
and
and
then
this
social
space,
an
outdoor
space,
communal
spaces
which,
but
in
terms
of
that
exercise,
I
if
the
developers
have
done
that
fine.
Otherwise
you
know
I
haven't
done
that
exercise.
A
B
I'm
sorry
can
we
answer
in
two
parts,
because
I
think
there's
some
of
this
has
been
driven
by
primary
data
that
we've
got
so,
as
we
said,
fresh
managed.
You
know
over
20
000
units
and
we
gather
insight
from
that
on
a
regular
basis.
We've
then
fed
that
into
our
model.
So
when
we've
been
selecting
which
markets
to
go
into,
for
example,
we've
read
that
kind
of
feedback
from
existing
residents
in.
We
then
engaged
with
a
company
called
savanta
to
do
a
lot
of
primary
research
for
us.
B
So
we
went
and
surveyed
a
group
of
18
to
35
year
olds
up
and
down
the
country
amongst
a
variety
of
sort
of
groups,
and
we've
tried
to
establish
what
their
living
habits
are.
So
we've
looked
at,
you
know
how
much,
how
often
do
they
dine
in
versus
eat
out
versus
utilize,
gym
space
or
alternative
space?
What
are
the
the
preferences
and
priorities
for
the
space?
J
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt
I'm
asking
about
space
like
the
amount
of
space,
I'm
not
I'm
not
asking
about
lifestyle
choices
and
whatever
amount
of
research
you
put
into
it.
I
just
want
the
hard
figures.
Please.
T
I
I
think
I
can't
give
you
the
hard
figures
and
say:
we've
we've
taken
an
area
out
of
every
studio
and
put
amalgamated
into
into
immunity
space,
so
it
all
balances
out.
I
think
we
need
to
do
the
detailed
calculation.
I
think
this,
the
small
studios
are
27
majority
are
28
and
10
over
32
square
meters,
so
adding
them
on
the
three
and
a
half
square
meters
of
internal
immunity
takes
you
up
towards
that
provision.
T
I
think
what
we
have
done
just
in
our
discussions
during
the
process
with
with
offices
is
actually
is
looking
at
space
standards
nationally
described.
Space
standards
gives
you
overall
area
for
units
and
then
for
elements
around
storage
and
obviously
we
know
we're
not
we're
not
providing
37
square
meters
for
a
studio.
T
So
what
we
have
done
as
well
is
the
analysis
looking
at
the
housing
standards
handbook,
which
breaks
down
the
components
of
the
inner
unit,
to
show
offices
that
actually,
though,
we're
not
achieving
the
overall
area
in
terms
of
the
ability
of
the
studios,
we
actually
are
complying
with
requirements.
So
a
single
person
under
the
housing
handbook
requires
a
single
bed
or
three
quarter.
T
So
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
not
just
say
we
take
an
area
out
as
to
say
it
actually
terms
of
livability.
We
are
trying
to
provide
for
function
and
make
sure
that
people
can
actually
live
comfortably
in
these
units,
supported
by
all
that
that
space,
which
is
in
the
immunity
now
the
immunity.
What
we're
trying
to
do
with
this
model
as
well,
is
rationalize
that
space
and
make
it
more
usable
and
establish
critical
mass.
T
So
I
think
when
you,
when
you
provide
people
with
too
much
space,
it
becomes
unusable
because
people
feel
daunted
by
they
walk
into
a
large
cabin
and
they
don't
feel
comfortable
in
their
space.
So,
using
kind
of
social
understanding
of
social
behaviors
to
create
the
serious
space
of
different
scales
that
then
becomes
more
usable
and
enhances
that
living.
That's
what
they're
offering!
So
it's
not
it.
I
understand
what
you're
asking
it's
not
a
direct
translation
of
just
taking
that
ten
square
meters
off
and
moving
it
somewhere
else.
J
Okay,
so
you
don't
have
the
figures
to
hand.
Is
that
what
you're
saying.
J
Okay,
so.
J
You
did
say
that
co-living
doesn't
exist
in
leeds,
but
it
actually
does,
and
it's
grass
grassroots
led
rather
than
led
by
developers
and
that's
it's
usually
cooperative,
based
as
a
model
and
the
co-living
aspect
of
it
is
actually
how
you
how
you
choose
as
an
individual
living
in
a
cooperative.
How
you
choose
to
use
your
sort
of
free
time
so
like
quite
often,
people
will
cook
for
each
other
and
things
like
that
and
then
it.
It
seems
to
me
like.
J
That's
that
sort
of
model
works
very
well
when
you're,
a
small
cooperative,
but
I'd
have
concerns
about
interpersonal
stuff
happening
in
a
large
development
like
this,
I
don't
know
how
that
would
be
managed.
How
would
it
be
managed.
T
It
would
be
possible
to
pull
up
a
slide
from
appendix
in
the
presentation.
Is
that
possible?
I
don't
need
it.
If
not
it's
fine,
I.
I
think
it
is
a
very
important
question.
I
think
what
we
talk
about
is
again
looking
at
social
settings
and
behaviors
of
individuals
is
understanding
how
people
interact
in
different
group
sizes.
T
Is
that,
oh
sorry,
so
this
is
just
a
diagram
just
which
we
used
to
explain
this
one
here,
so
you
might
not
be
able
to
read
it.
Sorry
perhaps
can't
read
it,
but
what
this
does
is
it
sets
up,
I
think,
trying
to
create
a
community
clusters.
It's
looking
at
how
different
groups
of
people
interact
with
each
other.
So
there's
the
individual
talk
about
the
that's
your
studio,
that's
your
private
space
and
then
it
comes
around
like
kind
of
creating
your
your
your
clique
and
then
jeff
bezos
from
amazon.
T
Has
this
idea
of
the
two
pizza
rules
about
kind
of
the
number
of
people
10
to
15?
You
can
comfortably
get
to
know
each
other
and
have
a
chat
and
kind
of
create
stronger
relationships
and
it's
those
kind
of
groupings
which
have
informed
our
clusterings
within
the
building.
So
the
the
communal
kitchens
and
the
dining
areas
generally
there's
one
workstation
per
10
to
12
studios
and
that's
and
that's
then
repeated
across
floor.
T
So
what
they're
trying
to
do
is
create
a
murder
and
epicenter
that
kind
of
creates
a
mechanism
that
allows
people
to
interact
and
get
to
know
each
other.
So,
on
on
a
micro
level,
we're
trying
to
get
people
on
the
floors
to
know
each
other
and
create
those
smaller
neighborhoods
and
then
using
the
large
space.
We
talk
their
band
of
people,
the
friendship
groups,
kind
of
100
150
is
ideal
kind
of
we
talk
about
where
people
can
get
to
know
the
wider
community.
It's
creating
those
spaces
where
people
feel
comfortable.
T
They
can
go
out
and
get
to
know.
A
wider
group
of
people
still
then
go
back
to
safety,
kind
of
say,
the
safety
of
their
own,
knowing
their
own
neighborhood
and
the
location
of
immunity
and
having
managed
events
is
really
important
as
well,
because
that
creates
opportunity
for
people
to
encounter
each
other
and
get
to
know
each
other
so
trying
to
again
encourage
a
sense
of
community.
But
it's
a
choice.
J
So
what
what
would
happen
if
there
was
conflict
between
two
individuals
or
two
groups
of
individuals,
because
I
know
through
unipola
that
this
happens
all
the
time
and
especially
over
lockdown
incidents
of
bullying
were
like
rife,
and
there
was.
There
was
a
lot
of
students
that
were
living
in
unipolar,
accommodation
who
had
to
have
a
lot
of
support
from
the
unipol
staff.
This
is
why
I
asked
because
it's
it's
a
really
important
mental
health
and
wellbeing
question.
J
So
what
what
would
you
have
in
place
to
to
mediate?
Interpersonal
stuff,
like
that
and
bullying.
B
So
I
think
a
large
part
of
that
will
come
back
down
to
the
management
agency
and
the
management
operations
of
it
so
same
with
the
anti-social
comments.
Behavior.
If
there
was
you
know
a
situation
where
that
was
happening,
they
could
report
it.
They
would
get
the
support
and
the
care
that
they
would
need
for
that.
J
Okay
and
then
the
economic
argument
that
you've
put
forward.
How
have
you
come
up
with
the
the
figures
in
in
the
report
for
the
amount
of
money
the
amount
of
spend,
and
how
does
that?
Compare
with
the
c3
development.
S
S
So
that
they've
come
up
with
various
different
data
sets
using
typical
guidance
within
this
field.
Steve,
do
you
want
to
cover
some
of
that
off
a
bit
more
detail?
Yeah.
Thank
you.
I
mean
fairly
tight,
tried
and
tested
methodologies,
whether
it's
from
the
homes,
england,
methodologies
or
other
data
sets.
They
effectively
apply
based
on
local
determination
of
economic
activity.
S
M
Thanks,
chad,
I
have
a
trade
to
couch,
so
I'll,
be
very
very
brief.
It's
really
more
comments
than
questions
at
this
particular
point
and
supporting
what
cancer
catholic
said
previously
at
this
particular
book
looks
interesting.
It's
an
idea.
It's
a
proposal
for
us
to
explore,
perhaps
in
more
detail
when
it
comes
back.
There
are
going
to
be
issues
inevitably
going
to
be
issues
post
pandemic
about
what
you're
going
to
do
with
your
office
buildings.
M
Unless
you
come
up
with
something
more
imaginative
you're
going
to
end
up
with
boarded
up
office
buildings
because
they're
never
going
to
be
used
again
as
office
buildings,
we
need
a
bit
of
flexibility.
We
need
a
bit
of
imagination
in
principle,
I'm
comfortable
with
it
and
look
forward
to
seeing
I
like
cassie
garth
way
the
application
come
in,
so
that
we
can
look
and
explore
and
challenge
a
little
bit
further
at
that
point,
and
on
that
note,
that's
not
body
anymore.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Councillor
finnegan,
it's
been
a
long
day.
Thank
you
for
being
here
castle,
blackburn.
L
Unaffordable
housing,
you,
you
put
a
figure
in
there,
so
I
don't
know
if
officers
want
to
answer
these
developers
and
there's
a
figure
there.
How
was
that
arrived?
What's
that,
based
upon
there's
a
lot
of
thought,
we
have,
we
got
a
policy
to
cover
this
kind
of
development.
C
C
It's
for
rental
only
and
the
policy
that
we
have
for
for
bill
to
rent
is
that
we
expect
rents
of
a
certain
percentage
of
the
units
to
be
set
at
a
level
which
local
people
can
afford
in
terms
of
local
earning
levels,
and
so
we
set
a
rate
for
that
and
I
presume,
in
this
case
they've
applied
that
same
rate
for
the
same
proportion
of
units,
so
in
the
city
center
at
seven
percent
of
total
units.
I
presume
that's
how
they've
arrived
at
that
figure,
but
they
can.
S
That
that
is
correct,
so
we've
received
advice
from
an
external
viability
consultant,
so
using
the
city
council's
transfer,
affordable
housing
rates,
we've
applied
that
to
standard
areas
so
depending
on
which
area
you
adopt,
whether
that's
a
32
square
meter
studio
like
we've,
got
here
whether
it's
a
48
square
meter
average
one
bedroom
flat.
For
example,
we've
applied
that
rate
to
come
up
with
that
figure
based
on
seven
to
ten
percent.
Our
affordable
housing.
I
Thanks
chair,
the
only
question
I've
got
left
is
on
the
space
of
the
studios,
the
studio
that
we
saw
in
the
cgi
and
the
walkthrough.
What
what
meter
squared
is
that.
I
A
I
I
think
it's
a
reasonable
model
in
a
way
I
would
like
to
see.
I
understand
that
aspect
of
the
space,
not
everyone's,
going
to
be
using
all
of
the
communal
space
at
the
same
time.
So,
if
you're,
looking
at
the
10
meters
squared
space
that
you're
not
getting
through
the
studio
apartment,
you
might
have
10
meters
of
it,
but
somebody
else
might
use
it
the
next
day
when
you're
out.
So
I
guess
you
could
do
that
calculation
in
some
way.
I
I'm
not
sure
how
you'd
calculate
that
based
around
that,
but
but
that
would
be
useful
to
see
there's
some
really
good
positives
in
terms
of
reuse
of
the
existing
building
and
saving.
Obviously,
the
fabric
of
that
and
that's
going
to
save,
I
imagine
quite
a
lot
of
the
capital
carbon
cost
in
developing
a
proposal
like
this.
It
it's
good
to
see
that
come
through
in
the
existing
building,
rather
than
building
knocking
something
down
and
building
a
brand
new
one,
and
I
think
the
model
is
something
to
test.
I
This
is
the
first
of
its
type,
so
we
don't
want
to
set
expectations
here
that
we
wouldn't
then
be
able
to
apply
to
other
developments
and
two
we
won't
be
able
to
reference
this
to
other
developments,
so
we'll
want
to
know
that
in
some
way
that
has
that
work's
been
done
so
that
we
have
that
understanding.
But
apart
from
that,
I'm
reasonably
comfortable
with
this.
I
used
to
live
in
a
studio
flat
down
on
the
calls,
and
it
was
probably
the
same
size
as
this,
but
we
had
no
co-living
space
in
it.
I
I
spent
most
of
my
time
in
one
of
the
bars
in
the
city
centre
in
the
end
anyway,
and
made
my
own
community,
but
I
think
it's
got
a
place.
A
lot
of
the
people
that
lived
in
the
apartments
where
I
was
were
either
and
there
were
quite
a
lot
of
academics
from
the
university
who
stayed
there
for
four
days
and
then
went
home
for
the
weekend,
and
I
imagine
there
are
many
other
people
doing
similar
so
it'd
be
interesting
to
see
how
it
comes,
but
we
will
want.
I
I
think
that
reassurance
that
that
we
have
applied
some
standards,
but
I
I
do
office
is
going
to
have
a
hard
time
working
out
how
to
do
that.
I
know.
A
Thank
you
peter
colin.
Please.
N
Yeah,
when
you
mention
socializing
around
the
washing
machine,
I
I
I,
those
of
a
certain
age
will
remember
when
laundromats
were
were
popular
and
I
certainly
had
a
flashing
memory
of
a
levi's
501
advert,
which.
N
Remember,
I
don't
think
anybody
else
will
that's
that's
bad!
That's
by
the
way
it's
getting
late,
we're
rambling
a
bit.
Having
said
that,
what
we
say
today
is
setting
a
precedent,
doesn't
it
and
I
think
we
have
to
be
very
careful
about
the
messages
we're
giving.
N
N
I
I
initially
when
we
we
started
talking
about
these.
I
thought
well,
this
is
just
a
very
big
hmo
and
in
many
ways
it
is
a
very
big
house
in
multiple
occupation
that
perhaps
better
organized
than
many.
But
I've
thought
about
it
for
some
time
and
I
said
on
site,
I've,
I've
come
to
the
view
that
I
can
understand
that
there
might
be
a
market
for
this
and
I'm
I'm
looking
at.
N
We've
got
currently
the
the
model
for
student
accommodation.
Is
this
model
actually,
and
so
we've
got
lots
of
students
coming
through
the
university
and
we've
had
hundreds
of
them
walking
past
today
who
are
used
to
this
model
of
living,
and
I
think
when
they
move
on.
N
We
hope
we
want
to
try
and
retain
them
in
the
city.
So
they
get
a
job
here
and
they
move
they
can
move
into
us
into
something
that
they
understand
and
they
can
they
can
follow
because
actually
moving
on
into
the
the
private
housing
sector
is
a
bit
of
a
daunting
prospect.
So
I
could
understand:
there's
a
market
and
I
can
understand
it-
won't
they
won't
live
there
for
a
long
time,
so
I've
become
convinced
that
perhaps
there
is
a
market
for
this
type
of
development
life
said.
N
I
do
think
that
the
size
of
accommodation
that
you're
offering
is
too
small
in
many
ways.
It's
exactly
the
same
as
a
number
of
the
student
plans.
N
I
don't
think
the
rooms
are
big
enough.
I
think
you
need
to
work
on
how
you
reconfigure
that
to
make
those
rooms
larger
now
I
can
understand
that
there
will
be
some
cognitive
activity,
but
I
think
it
well
we'll
see
how
it
goes,
but
certainly
I
couldn't
support
rooms
of
this
size,
because
these
are
okay,
adults,
young
adults,
but
you
do
have
a
double
bedding,
so
they
may
have
occasionally
a
friend
round,
and
I
wasn't
going
to
suggest
that
you
put
a
spare
bed
in
there.
N
But
you
know
we
have
to
be
realistic,
don't
we
it
says
for
200
and
what
is
it
200
and
232
flats?
But
there
will
be
more
than
232
people
there,
all
the
time
and
yeah.
I
think
you
assume
that
don't
you,
because
you
can't
control
who
goes
in,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
as
you
at
that
age,
I
think
I
would
have
expected
to
have
more
space
than
than
that,
and
I
think,
if
we're
starting
off
on
this
president,
we
need
to
be
saying,
there's
a
very
minimum.
N
The
the
the
one
person
one
bed
minimum
size
for
the
for
the
actual
bedroom
with,
but
that
also
means
that
you
need
to
put
in
some
significant
communal
facilities,
because
I
think
actually
that
might
work,
though
I
do
say
I
stayed
in
something
very
similar
to
this
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
the
flat
was
slightly
larger
than
you're
talking
about,
and
I
I
have
to
be
honest
and
I
never
saw
anybody
in
the
community
facilities,
but
that's,
I
suppose,
that's
as
it
as
it
develops,
but
I
think
it's
an
interesting
idea.
N
I
think
if
you're
asking
me
the
question
reusing
the
building,
I'm
happy
with
that.
But
as
I
say,
I
just
have
some
concerns
about
the
the
size
of
the
rooms
and
the
management
and,
as
I
think
peter
said,
we're
going
to
need
to
see
some
very
detailed.
G
Thank
you
well
in
response
to
to
daljeet's
earlier
point
about
who
you'd,
like
members,
views
about
the
shared
living
model
and
building
on
councillor
brooks's
point,
but
in
fact
we
do
have
shared
living
in
leeds.
It's
just
not
called
that
I'd
I'd
like
to
make
a
few
reflections
on
on
a
shared
living
arrangement
that
I'm
very
very
familiar
with,
and
the
lee
and
the
chair
is
more
familiar
with
it,
because
it's
in
his
ward
and
that's
lilac.
G
I've
been
shown
around
lilac,
at
least
three
or
four
times,
and
I
know
one
of
the
residents
very
well
and
I
have
on
occasion
use
their
shared
facility
and
it's
been
explained
to
me
just
how
that
works,
and
it
works
very
well.
But
it
works
well
because
a
number
of
like-minded
people
came
together
to
create
it.
So
they
started
from
the
point
of
wanting
shared
living
and
believing
that
through
shared
living,
they
could
achieve
well
before
the
climate
emergency,
increased
efficiency
and
reduced
carbon
emissions.
G
G
So
in
what
you
would
call
the
shared
living
area,
which
they
call
the
common
room,
they
they
they
eat
together
as
a
whole
group
of
residents.
They
don't
all
join
in
every
time,
but
about
20
of
them
come
together
twice
a
week
to
share
their
evening
meal,
and
in
order
for
that
to
work,
they
have
to
agree
that
one
or
two
of
them
will
take
the
responsibility
for
preparing
dinner
for
20
every
so
every
so
often,
and
they
have
to
come
together
to
agree.
G
You
know
that
what
the
menu
will
be,
except
so
there's
got
to
be
a
high
level
of
cooperation
for
a
dining
room
with
I
think,
actually,
this
morning,
when
I
asked
you
said,
27
might
be
sharing
it,
not
necessarily
all
at
the
same
time.
It's
a
lot
of
people.
I
think
to
share
that.
But
there
has
to
be
a
common
commitment
to
sharing
for
a
start,
and
the
living
spaces
are
small.
This
development
is
actually
for
families.
G
It's
got
some
for
individuals
and
couples,
but
it
is
also
for
families,
but
if
you
divide
the
space
between
the
number
of
people,
it's
probably
smaller
than
these
to
be
honest
with
you,
because
the
expectation
is
they
will
use
the
shared
accommodation.
There
is
a
shared
laundry
facility.
There
is
a
shared
cooking
dining
facility.
G
There
is,
there
are
a
lot
of
outdoor
shared
facilities
and
there
is
a
very
complicated
system
of
groups
that
have
tasks
to
do
so.
If
you're
quite
good
at
gardening,
then
you
have
to
take
responsibility
for
some
of
that
gardening
and
the
same
goes
for
lots
of
other
things
around
around
the
facility.
So
my
point
really
is:
it
is
suitable
for
some
people
who
are
prepared
to
live
that
kind
of
lifestyle.
G
But
I
think
what
you're
doing
is
creating
a
shared
facility
and
then
wanting
people
to
buy
into
it,
whereas
these
people
created
it
because
they
wanted
it.
It
is
slightly
different
premise,
so
I
think
it
will
be
interesting
to
see
how
it
goes.
As
I
say,
I
I
don't
think
I
could
be
persuaded
to
live
a
lifestyle
like
that.
I
imagine
other
people
might
not
quite
on
your
page
about
the
size
of
the
spaces,
because
the
student
accommodation
rooms
that
I
have
seen
the
private
bit
of
them.
G
G
I
do
think,
as
I
said
at
the
beginning
of
the
debate,
we
do
need
to
think
carefully
about
how
many
developments
of
this
kind
we
can
absorb,
and
I
think
we
need
a
policy
on
on
how
much
we're
going
to
do
to
try
it
and
how
much
we
might
go
on
to
do
once.
We
know
that
it
does
actually
work
and
there
is
definitely
a
market
for
it.
So
those
are
those
are
my
views
really.
I
think,
as
as
I
said
before,
as
an
example
of
shared
living
provision.
It's
it's
good.
G
It's
just
that.
You
know
whether
we're
ready
for
it.
J
Thanks
chair,
so
I'm
I
don't
look
here.
I
look
a
lot
older,
but
I'm
35,
so
I'm
in
the
the
upper
range
of
your
target
age
and
I'm
I'm
genuinely
really
upset
that
developers
think
that
we
can
pull
the
wool
over
people's
eyes
and
sell
this
as
a
as
a
choice
that
you
would
make
it's
just
another
way
to
make
more
money
out
of
young
people
who
are
going
to
be
forever
priced
out
of
buying
their
own
properties.
J
So
yeah,
I
don't
know
like
first
years,
go
into
purpose-built
student
accommodation
right
second
years
tend
not
to
do
that.
They
go
into
house
of
multiple
occupancy
or
they
might
get
a
flat
on
their
own
right
or
they
might
get
a
smaller
house
share.
That
doesn't
need
a
hmo
license,
but
that
is
through
choice.
J
J
I
think,
I
think
really.
We
should
be
pushing
for
a
c3
development
with
an
integrated
co-working
space
and
shared
lounges
yeah
I
mean
there's
a
housing
crisis.
We
can't
we
can't
allow
developers
to
push
the
envelope
this
much
because
if
we
open
the
floodgates,
it's
all
that's
going
to
be
passed
in
leeds.
Thank
you.
L
Thanks
yeah
got
to
say
I
was
quite
impressed
when
I,
when
we
went
this
morning,
I
wasn't
really
knowing
what
to
expect.
Well,
I'm
really
impressed
with
what
what
you've
you've
come
up
with.
I
think
there
are
some
issues
to
do
with
eyes
and
you
need
to
clearly
get
that
sorted
before
you
bring
anything
back
and
I
would
suggest
if
it's
possible
that
basically,
you
have
a
mock-up
of
within
the
building,
so
we
can
actually
see
what
it's
like
in
situ.
L
That's
what
we've
done
with
some
of
the
student
accommodation
and-
and
I
think
I
think
it
would
be
worthwhile
doing
it
without
I,
I've
got
to
say
in
other
cases
I
probably
wouldn't
be
a
supportive,
but
I
think
the
particular
building
that
you
you
you're
talking
about
it
actually
suits
itself
to
doing
something
like
this,
particularly
with
the
the
garden
areas.
And
what
have
you
so?
I
think
I
think
I
think
this
building's
okay
for
that,
and
I
don't
think
it
necessarily
work
out
that
well
if
it
were
flats.
L
So
it's
interesting,
I'm
I'm
on
it
not
totally,
but
I
mean
I'm
looking
forward
to
it
coming
back
as
an
application
and-
and
I
think
I
think
these
possibilities
out
I
do-
I
don't
think
that
there
will
be
people
who
will
will
be
looking
for
something
like
this.
As
as
cameron
says,
I
I
I
won't.
I
won't
fancy
living
with
me
in
there
because
I
was
at
the
caroline
this
morning
when
we
were
there.
L
A
You
and
just
a
couple
of
comments
from
me,
as
has
been
said
around
the
table,
particularly
kelly,
brooks
that
you
know
this.
This
could
be
a
new
direction,
we're
going
on.
We
don't
know
what
the
market's
going
to
bring
forward
and
it's
very
important
that
we
actually
get
it
right
when
we
had
the
early
days
of
student
accommodation,
which
they
looked
extremely
small,
we
had
some
visits
to
existing
students.
A
We
went
to
sheffield
and
other
places
to
have
a
look
at
it
and
I
think,
in
the
circumstances,
I
think
I'd
like
to
recommend
that
we
visit
and
exist
from
one
before
we
go
back
and
see
how
it
operates
and
what's
happening
there.
A
I'm
sure
officers
and
yourself
can
liaise
on
that,
but
I
think
it's
important
because
we
are
on
this
application,
creating
a
new
policy
because
the
next
obviously
members
may
or
may
not
support
it,
but
if
they
do
the
next
one
to
come
forward
will
be
reflecting
the
policies
from
this
one
and
to
jerry.
I
tell
you
it's
a
wonderful
building,
it's
not
exactly
a
gallery,
but
it's
pretty
good,
isn't
it
stephen,
but
it
was
built
in
the
30s
or
somewhere
the
last
one,
the
last
insets
on
there
pre-war.
A
Was
it
oh,
it's
older
than
I
thought,
but
if
I'm
looking
at
jerry
page
41
can
can
you
bring
that
up?
For
me,
please
toby.
A
That's
the
one
I
remember
when
direct
line
was
in
there
and
in
those
days
there
was
a
lot
of
smoking
outside
of
restaurants.
I
know
it
doesn't
apply
today,
but
they
spilled
out
in
there
and,
I
have
to
say
very
inadequate
entrance
on
dortmund
square
and
it
wasn't
a
good
image
really
for
the
company,
but
obviously
times
have
changed
on
that
one.
But
if
you
look
at
what
was
originally
designed
to
be
the
entrance,
wouldn't
it
be
wonderful
if
we
could
have
that
as
the
new
entrance?
A
A
You
know
we
want
the
best
for
leads,
and
this
would
be
a
very
special,
very
special
entrance.
I've
also
had
a
request
from
the
lord
mayor,
I'm
his
vice
chair
of
council,
and
he
pointed
out
which
will
come
up
with
an
interesting
idea.
It's
called
dortmund
square
is,
as
you
know,
which
is
our
twin
city,
and
he
pointed
out
that
there's
no
building
in
leeds
called
segan.
A
I
know
I
know
I
I
have
to
give
you
a
bit
of
history
on
this.
I
know
you
look
puzzled.
Cheerwell
was
the
one
of
the
first
twinning
one.
It
goes
back
60
years,
then
they
they
twinned
with
segan,
which
morley
when
they
become
part
of
a
local
government.
Reorganization
in
74,
adopted.
A
As
the
twin
city,
this
led
to
dortmund
actually
be
becoming
leads
twin
city,
so
it'd
really
be
nice.
If
you
could
consider
that
I
mean
pedro
house
is
not
an
inspiring
name,
I'm
not
pushing
you
for
it,
but
I
think
it's
a
consideration
you
might
make.
I
I
would
go
farther
than
that,
because
the
lord
mayor,
when
I
had
this
conversation
with
him,
got
my
juices
beyond
my
creative
juices
and
with
between
with
many
many
other
cities
lille,
for
instance,
a
wonderful
city.
A
I've
been
there
on
visits,
hangzhou,
even
small
towns
in
the
west
of
ireland
balinar,
and
I
I'd
like
us
to
consider
in
future
and
I've
had
this
conversation
with
with
david
to
actually
play,
maybe
try
to
influence
developers
to
think
about
that.
In
a
wonderful
I
mean
you
know,
they're
all
very
much
part
of
our
life
in
the
city
and
they
do
come
over
here.
A
So
I
leave
that
those
two
thoughts
were
you
know
jerry
and
I'm,
if,
if
we
could
bring
it
back
to
its
origin
originality
and
create
the
answers
there,
it'd
be
absolutely
wonderful
and
I
leave
it
at
that.
I
think
officers
will
be
in
touch
with
you
to
look
at
where
we
might
visit
and
I'm
sure
members
will
produce
time
aside
for
that.
But
thank
you
once
again
for
waiting
so
long
and
the
meeting
has
gone
on
so
long,
but
shoulders
around
they're,
giving
us
a
flavor.
A
Okay,
but
we
have
to,
we
have
to
go
along
and
do
it
haven't
we,
but
okay.
We
have
two
questions
on
page
two
to
four:
do
members
support
the
principle
of
co-living
and
the
residential
amenities
offered
by
the
development
scheme?
I
think
that
brings
us
back
that
we
do
need
a
bit
more
information
and
some
visits.
To
be
quite
honest,
that's
why
I
found
it
difficult
to
to
answer
it.
It's
not
a
negative,
it's
not
a
no,
but
I
think
more
information
would
be
a
value.
Is
that
agreed,
yep.
A
A
Okay
on
the
second
one,
remember
support
the
approach
of
affordable
housing
provision
for
this
co-living
development.
I'll
leave
that
one
open
to
you.
N
I
you
know,
I
usually
say
no,
no,
I
gotta
be
on
site,
but
I
think,
given
it,
it's
not
gonna
be
possible
to
pepper
pot
around
this
particular
development.
Is
it
and
you
wouldn't
want
one
particular
cluster
to
be
the
affordable?
So
I
can
understand
why
in
this
case,
the
developer
might
be
allowed
to
buy
out.
I
Just
adding
to
colin's
point
on
that,
obviously,
the
majority
of
affordable
housing
is
allocated
by
an
association
and
and
there's
not
necessarily
the
same
choice
you'd
have
in
other
matters.
I
People
have
to
choose
to
specifically
live
in
this
way
here
and
therefore
I
think
this
is
probably
not
suitable
as
affordable
housing
and
I'd
rather
see
a
normal
house
come
forward
from
a
housing
association
or
similar.
If
we
had
the
opportunity
to
do
that,
I
think
in
purpose
built
or
private
rented
then
that
that's
absolutely
fine
and
I
prefer
it
on
site,
but
in
this
case
it's
a
way
of
life,
isn't
it
which
we
wouldn't
want
to
force
on.
Anyone.
A
Okay-
and
I
I
agree-
I
think
that's
generally
agreed-
is
it
and
we've
already
got
a
policy
anyway,
that
commuter
sums
can
be
taken
off
site
and
we
have
exercised
that
one
many
many
times.
So
I
guess
that's
a
yes,
okay.
That
is
definitely
thank
you.
Do
you
want.