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A
A
Today's
meeting
is
being
live
stream
and
the
city
council
youtube
channel,
so
the
public
can
observe
the
meetings
without
needed
to
be
present.
South
and
west
plan
panels
deal
with
application
from
the
south
northwest
and
west
of
the
city.
The
aim
of
the
panel
is
to
hear
all
the
relevant
informations
from
applicants.
Members
of
the
public
and
council
offices
to
help
members
of
the
panel
make
their
decisions
before
we
start
off.
Could
we
go
around
and
introduce
ourselves?
As
I
mentioned,
I'm
counselor
eileen
taylor
and
I
will
start
from
my
left.
H
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
welcome
councillor
elvis
who
is
I'm
subbing
for
councillor
reagan
and
also
welcome
to
all
those
in
the
m
gallery
today.
Thank
you
for
joining
us,
and
can
we
now
move
on
to
the
agenda
andy?
Could
you
take
us
through
please.
E
Thank
you,
chair
under
agenda
item
number,
one
with
no
appeals
against
a
refusal.
Inspection
of
documents
under
agenda
item
number
two:
there
are
no
items
requiring
the
exclusion
of
press
and
public
under
item
number.
Three.
There
are
no
late
items
today
under
agenda
item
number
four:
do
any
members
have
any
interest
to
declare.
G
M
E
A
A
A
So
now
we
will
move
on
to
item
seven,
which
is
from
all
primary
school,
and
nigel
is
going
to
present
this
application
with
us
over
to
you,
nigel.
B
So
this
is
a
proposal
to
increase
the
size
of
brumholt
primary
school
from
a
one-and-a-half
form
to
a
two-form
entry
school.
The
proposal
involves
new
extensions
and
new
pedestrian
access
to
the
front
of
the
school
and
in
large
car
park
and
perimeter
fencing
in
number
terms.
The
proposal
involves
increasing
the
current
school
from
its
current
school
roll
of
328
places
to
420,
so
an
increase
of
92
school
places.
B
The
application
has
generated
a
lot
of
local
interest,
with
representations
for
and
against
the
scheme,
but
mainly
against.
These
are
listed
in
the
report,
but
the
main
theme
of
the
objections
and
on
the
grounds
of
highway
concerns
and
congestion
on
the
local
highway
network
and
lack
of
suitable
off-site
mitigation
works.
B
B
So,
in
terms
of
the
location
of
the
site,
the
school
mainly
shares
its
its
common
boundary,
with
residential
properties
with
british
rice
to
the
north
dragon
crescent
to
the
east
school
green
to
the
southeast
and
parklands
to
the
west
and
there's
also
a
footpath
which
runs
between
the
western
boundary
and
the
parklands
residential
area
to
the
south
of
the
school
lies
playing
fields
and
beyond
that
open
land.
B
B
B
B
B
Similarly,
an
infill
on
the
entrance
area
here
with
a
small
canopy
and
then
to
the
south.
This
is
an
extension
to
extend
the
current
dining
hall
with
a
wraparound
canopy.
So
all
in
all,
the
physical
extensions
are
very
small
to
the
west
of
the
cap
to
the
west
of
the
key
stage.
2.
Building
that
key
stage,
one
building
is
a
car
park
extension
to
create
another
23
spaces
effectively
doubling
the
size
of
the
existing
rear
ice
car
park.
B
One
of
the
other
key
changes
is
a
proposed
link
between
the
key
stage
two
and
the
key
stage,
one
building
to
provide
better
connectivity
between
the
two.
As
I
say
at
the
moment,
they
are
separated
by
the
undesignated
path,
which
runs
between
the
two
buildings,
so
that
that
the
aim
of
that
is
to
improve
the
connection
between
the
two
buildings
and
and
better
cohesion
to
the
front
of
the
building
on
the
key
stage.
One
there
is
additional
landscaping
works,
as
well
as
an
improved
footpath
link
connecting
the
site
to
prairie
rice.
B
Speed
right,
okay,
so
in
terms
of
the
pulse
changes,
they
are
very
minimal
again
on
the
northern
elevation.
This
is
the
the
office
which
would
be
built
on
the
corner
of
the
existing
arrangement.
B
Similarly
on
the
western
elevation,
this
is
the
side
elevation
of
the
proposed
office
with
the
with
the
canopy
for
the
new
reception
and
then
where
the
hall
is
being
extended
to
the
to
the
rear
of
the
site,
it's
basically
almost
two-story,
with
a
wrap-around
canopy
arrangement
and
on
the
southern
elevation.
B
This
picks
up
the
extended
hull,
which
is
glazed
at
the
upper
level,
and
the
bottom
arrangement
is
also
glazed,
but
with
by
folding
doors,
that's
to
exploit
the
long
distance
views
to
the
south
and
overlooking
the
plainfields
and
the
open
land.
Beyond
and
again,
as
I
say
that
there
is
a
canopy
which
wraps
around
the
whole
of
that
building,.
B
So,
in
terms
of
the
changes
in
the
floor
space,
this
is
the
key
stage.
One
building
this
is
the
infill
at
the
front
of
the
existing
building,
and
that
element
is
just
the
new
office
space
other
than
that
and
the
fall
extension
in
this
place
just
here
to
this
to
the
south
other
than
that
those
are
the
only
changes
to
the
to
the
floor
plan.
B
And
in
relation
to
the
key
stage,
2
building
again
very
simple
architecture,
single
and
and
two
two-story
additions,
the
only
change
here
is
in
is
in
relation
to
this
current
recess.
B
And
in
relation
to
the
actual
floor
plan,
as
I
mentioned
at
the
outset,
the
new
force,
the
new
floor
space
for
the
classrooms
has
been
created
by
reconfigurating
the
existing
users.
This
is
currently
a
a
library,
I
believe,
and
an
I.t
suite.
Those
will
become
classrooms
with
a
new
learning
resource
center
in
this
area.
Here
and
that's
the
area,
that's
just
been
infilled
on
that
frontage.
So
again,
very,
very
small,
very
small
and
subtle
changes.
B
So,
in
terms
of
the
of
the
landscaping
plan,
I've
mentioned
the
path,
the
new
path,
to
connect
the
two
buildings.
Together
there
will
be
some
trees
lost
as
a
consequence
of
the
development,
and
we
noted
that,
following
the
site
visit
this
morning,
the
key
one
being
t89,
which
is
a
sycamore
tree
at
the
entrance
to
the
site
due
to
level
issues.
I
think
that
there
are
some
engineering
issues
which
would
mean
that
the
tree
would
have
to
be
removed.
B
Trees
will
be
replanted
in
this
area,
together
with
hedge
planting
to
help
screen
the
proposed
car
park
extension
in
this
area
and
on
the
southern
boundary,
where
there
are
gaps
in
the
existing
tree
line,
those
will
also
be
infilled
with
replacement,
trees
and
landscaping.
B
B
B
So,
just
in
terms
of
some
photographs
of
the
site,
this
is
a
view
from
brewery
rise
facing
south
the
key
stage.
B
B
This
is
central
within
the
path
perspective
there
and,
as
you
can
see,
currently,
the
fencing
on
on
the
right-hand
side,
as
we
as
we
look
at
it
is,
is,
is
low
and
doesn't
provide
a
sufficient
barrier
compliant
with
what
is
normally
expected
around
schools,
which
would
be
a
2.4
meter,
dfe,
compliant
fence
and
again
an
image
just
showing
the
the
the
steps
at
the
facing
west
with
the
key
stage.
One
building
in
the
background.
B
This
is
the
existing
loop
arrangement
within
the
car
park
at
of
the
brewery
rise
entrance,
the
central
island
will
be
retained
and
obviously
the
trees
as
a
consequence
will
also
be
retained.
B
I
think
what
I
what
I
ought
to
say-
and
perhaps
I
was
remiss
in
not
mentioning
this
at
the
outset-
is
that
this
is
currently
open
to
members
of
the
public
as
a
pickup
and
drop-off
arrangements
at
the
moment,
and
that
will
cease
as
part
of
these
works,
so
the
car
part
will
become
gated
and
it
will
be
only
accessible
by
staff
and
it
will
operate
on
a
on
a
fob
basis.
B
So
this
is
a
view
of
the
existing
dining
hall,
which
is
to
be
extended
basically
in
line
with
this
building
here,
and
these
are
the
trees.
These
are
the
white
beams
which
will
be
removed
to
facilitate
that
development.
B
B
B
This
is
a
view
of
trego
presence.
This
is
a
shared
access
into
the
into
the
site,
which
ultimately
is
the
main
access
for
the
school.
At
the
moment,
it's
shared
with
the
medical
center.
There
are
existing
parking
conflicts
in
that
area.
We
witnessed
that
this
morning
on
the
on
the
member
site
visit.
B
B
In
terms
of
the
highway
mitigation
works,
the
key
change
will
be
the
introduction
of
a
street
order
on
breery
rise
to
prevent
parents
from
dropping
and
picking
children
up
at
peak
times
and
and
that's
a
key
change,
because
clearly,
at
the
moment,
as
I
mentioned,
they
use
this
as
a
pickup
and
drop
off
and
to
avoid
this
street
becoming
congested
and
various
obviously
conflicting
traffic
movements.
The
intention
is
to
introduce
that
street
order.
B
I
think
that
would
be
a
major
benefit
and
a
positive
to
people
who
live
on
this
particular
street.
It
will
certainly
change
that
dynamic,
but
I
also
accept
that
the
problem
will
not
simply
go
away.
It
will
be
displaced
into
the
into
the
wider
area,
but
it
will
be
diluted
and
to
support
that
a
number
of
other
measures
are
proposed,
which
is
protecting
key
junctions
in
this
location
here
here
here
and
further
to
the
to
the
southeast
and
on
school
green,
just
there
and
this
location
here
so
key
junctions
have
been
safeguarded
and
protected.
B
Initially
there
was
a
proposal
to
introduce
a
zebra
crossing
approximately
in
this
location
here,
but
due
to
forward
visibility,
displays
and
traffic
coming
down
this
hill.
It
was
regarded,
and
so
it
was
discounted
on
on
highway
safety
grounds,
so
it
was
removed
from
the
scheme
on
that.
On
that
basis,.
B
At
these
key
junctions
crossings
and
tactile,
paving
will
also
be
introduced
to
encourage
walking
to
and
from
school
and
improvements
to,
pedestrian
safety
and
on
leeds
road
itself.
The
existing
traffic
islands
are
to
be
widened
from
one
meter
to
two
meters
to
accommodate
any
further
increases
in
use
and
to
encourage
the
use
of
those
obviously
at
peak
times,
so
that
basically
summarizes
the
highway
mitigation
measures.
B
I
think
what
you
will
also
note-
and
it's
worth
mentioning
from
the
covering
report-
is
that
a
proposed
highway
monitoring
condition
is
also
to
be
imposed
which
will
allow
post
occupation
monitoring
to
take
place.
So
should
there
be
any
unforeseen
circumstances
which
were
not
picked
up
at
this
initial
stage
when
the
site
was
surveyed
and
what
our
engineers
have
looked
at
and
have
recommended,
and
there
is
an
opportunity
to
revisit
that
and
carry
out
any
further
remedial
measures
at
that
particular
time.
B
In
addition
to
this,
there
is
also
growing
demand
for
additional
school
places
in
the
area,
and
there
are
no
other
alternative,
viable
and
deliverable
options
to
meet
this
demand
in
the
catchment
area,
showing
these
factors
together.
These
considerations
weigh
heavily
in
favor
of
the
developments
and
outweigh
the
definitional
harm
and
any
other
identified
harm
raised
in
this
report,
and
it's
therefore
considered
that
very
special
circumstances
exist
which
justify
the
development
and
the
application
is
recommended
for
approval.
B
Subject
to
the
conditions
set
out
in
the
report
and
subject
to
the
following
additional
conditions
which
relate
to
waste
collection
and
management,
so
service
management
plan
for
the
gates
to
be
set
back
from
the
public
highway
and
for
a
levels
condition
to
also
be
introduced
and
subject
to
those
amendments
chair.
The
application
is
recommended
for
approval.
A
A
O
Sorry,
good
afternoon,
I'm
rob
pearson.
I
am
a
resident
of
bram
hope.
I
have
30
years
experience
with
child
safeguarding
an
air
of
leeds
that
had
six
foals
the
area
of
the
number
of
safeguarding
cases
and
I'm
a
granddad
to
three
primary
school
children.
Children
are
a
future
and
they
should
be
educated
in
safe,
nurturing
environments.
O
The
application
in
its
current
form,
is
not
proportional
and
is
inherently
unsafe.
The
applicants
have
completely
failed
to
address
the
core
assertion
that
the
access
path
can
be
retained
and
the
two
sections
of
the
school
can
still
be
enclosed
to
meet
the
needs
of
security.
The
closure
of
the
access
path
is
not
about
making
convenience.
It's
a
safety
issue.
The
school's
current
low-level
fencing
is
gated
to
allow
supervised
access
from
one
side
of
the
school
to
the
other.
O
Why
does
the
application
fail
to
consider
minor
adjustments
to
the
line
of
a
new
high
fence
to
allow
an
access
corridor
to
remain
already?
At
least
one
school
in
north
leeds
is
bisected
by
a
fenced
access
path.
So
why
can't
this
happen
in
this
development?
There
is
no
footpath
on
the
southwest
side
of
brewery
lane.
The
green
line
shown
on
the
map
and
the
closure
of
the
access
path
will
divert
considerable
foot
traffic
from
safe
to
an
unsafe
route.
O
Why
have
the
real
observations
of
dangerous
driving
on
breer
elaine
been
so
readily
dismissed?
Breery
lane
has
already
been
assessed
and
is
too
hazardous
for
an
assistant
crossing.
So
why
does
the
transport
department
assess
the
development
of
having
no
bearings
on
road
safety
risk?
Increased
foot
traffic
multiplies
the
risk.
O
Why
should
children
from
the
lower
village
walking
to
the
village
playground
be
forced
to
cross
breery
lane
four
times
each
return
trip?
Why
have
the
applicants
misappropriated
the
term
safeguarding
to
push
the
application
through
planning
backed
by
propaganda?
Why
has
this
been
used
to
instill
unfounded
fear
and
impairments,
as
evidenced
by
chatter,
on
social
media?
O
Where
does
school
perimeter
management
appear
in
their
safeguarding
procedures
and
policies?
It
doesn't
it's
absent
the
term
security
and
safeguarding
are
not
synonymous
security.
No
one
would
deny,
but
failure
to
properly
understand
safeguarding
puts
children
at
risk.
If
the
applicants
really
have
the
safety
of
children
at
heart,
then,
where
on
earth
is
the
requested
new
fire
plan?
Thank
you
for
your
time.
P
My
name
is
linda:
I
live
in
brampton.
Closure
is
a
long
established
path
through
bps
will
deprive
those
of
us
with
limited
mobility,
including
me
of
our
human
right
to
safe
passage
through
the
village.
That
is
our
home.
Many
people
use
this
path
frequently.
I
use
it
at
least
four
times
each
week,
usually
more,
it's
in
a
far
better
state
of
repair
than
many
of
the
pavements
and
leads
the
low
level
wall
by
the
lower
steps
and
railing
by
top
steps
are
an
aid
to
climbing
the
steps.
P
I'm
not
asking
anyone,
I'm
telling
you
it's
a
safer
route
than
crossing
brewery
lane
rear
lane
is
seven
meters
wide
at
the
a660
junction
and
only
slowly
tapers.
Anyone
crossing
brewery
lane
slowly
is
and
would
be
at
grave
risk
from
fast
flowing
traffic,
whether
someone
limping
or
a
mother
with
children,
no
such
risk
is
present
on
the
path
through
bps.
P
If
breery
lane
is
not
safe
for
an
assisted
crossing,
then
it's
clearly
a
risk
to
pedestrians
crossing
it.
Using
a
traffic
survey
conducted
in
lockdown
is
disingenuous
at
best
as
an
emanation
of
the
state.
The
council
has
an
enhanced
duty
to
its
residents,
failing
to
make
reasonable
adjustments
I.e,
putting
a
high
fence
either
side
of
the
path
through
bps
is,
I
contend,
a
breach
of
the
equalities
act.
There
is
a
president
in
another
local
school
with
a
cycle
and
footpath
through
the
school
has
high
fancy
fencing
along
it.
P
At
what
point,
and
based
on
what
criteria?
Did
the
council
recite
from
his
legal
duties
to
anyone
aged
over
12
in
brahmo
parents
entering
the
school
grounds
to
pick
up
their
children
are
in
much
closer
proximity
to
other
children
than
anyone
walking
along
the
path?
Are
all
parents,
therefore,
to
be
dps
checked
if
the
school
culture
will
be
diminished
by
being
in
two
buildings?
What
about
the
culture
of
the
village
if
it
is
effectively
cut
in
half
offset
recommended
promoting
greater
culture
of
communication
with
the
village?
Why
is
this
being
ignored?
P
Q
Thank
you.
Members
will
be
very
familiar
with
parking
problems
around
their
ward
around
schools
in
their
wards.
It's
not
an
unusual
problem
and
there's
a
reasonable
argument.
I
think
that
if
you
buy
a
house
near
a
school,
then
you
should
expect
disruption
once
or
twice
a
day.
Q
What's
unusual
in
this
particular
case
is
that
this
particular
school
is
increasing
this
role
by
50
percent
from
280
to
420,
and
although
nigel
mentioned
this
in
passing,
the
published
admissions
number
is
280,
not
328..
Q
He
also
said
that
if
circumstances
change
and
if
evidence
comes
forward,
we'll
further
adjust
the
plans,
my
contention
is
that
neither
a
comprehensive
or
effective
traffic
plan
has
been
put
forward.
In
this
particular
case,
I've
spoken
regularly
to
representatives
from
averson
young
city,
development
planning
and
highways,
and,
while
they've
done
their
very
best
to
alleviate
the
issues
in
the
area,
the
geography
of
the
area
has,
in
my
view,
defeated
them.
Q
The
school
traffic
plan
produced
by
the
school
itself,
I'm
afraid
offers
nothing
new
at
all.
The
traffic
statement
offers
little
by
way
of
mitigation
of
highways
issues
and
nuisance
to
neighbours
in
the
immediate
vicinity
of
the
school
or
to
reduce
the
danger
to
children
and
residents.
The
only
mitigations
offered
are
double
yellows
at
junctions,
where
parents
should
not
be
parking
anyway
and
making
breeding
rise
a
school
street.
Q
A
Thank
you.
Is
it
total
six
minutes?
Is
it?
Thank
you
very
much.
Are
there
any
questions?
Counselor
candle.
K
I
don't
know
which
you
want
to
answer
this
one.
I
think
those
of
us
who
were
on
site
this
morning
appreciate
there
are
highways
issues,
as
you
say,
I
don't
think
there's
a
school
in
in
leeds
that
doesn't
have
highways
issues.
You
talked
ab
a
comprehensive
traffic
management
plan.
What
do
you
think
is
missing
from
the
proposals
before
us
today
that
would
make
it
into
a
comprehensive
traffic
management
plan.
Q
A
very
good
question,
colin,
I'm
afraid
I
don't
know
the
answer,
that's
what
we
were
expecting
highways
to
actually
produce
to
us.
What's
going
to
happen
is
that
the
vehicles
that
are
currently
causing
a
nuisance
there
are
going
to
increase
quite
considerably
by
my
calculations
and
on
the
figures
that
highways
have
given
us.
The
number
of
people
who
live
outside
of
ramphope
itself
will
be
about
90
out
of
the
420.
That's
based
on
the
on
the
current
figures
that
I've
been
given
for
the
first
two
classes
in
school.
Q
Now,
as
I
said
before,
all
they've
offered,
and-
and
I
understand
the
reasons-
why
are
yellow
lines-
wlr
lines
around
junctions
and
the
closure
of
breeding
rise?
That
is
not
comprehensive
and
it's
not
effective
because
it
does
nothing
to
address
the
the
danger
and
the
highways
issues
that
are
currently
affecting,
not
just
the
tread
goals,
but
also
bleeding
lane
and
also
further
down
the
road.
O
I
think
we
have
to
accept
that
there
is
a
very,
very
strong
case
for
this,
going
ahead
in
terms
of
education
being
so
important,
but
there
will
be
consequences
of
in
terms
of
what
you
can
just
call
carmageddon
will
happen,
and
I
don't
think
any
physical
changes
can
change
things.
The
whole
year
been
spent
looking
at
this,
and
the
only
change
that
will
change
things
is
behavioral
change
in
parents.
O
O
There
needs
to
almost
be
a
voluntary
contract
with
parents
and
the
school
that
they
will
actually
not
use
cars
to
come
to
the
school.
I
don't
know
how
that
can
be
achieved,
but
there
needs
to
be
some
move
in
that
direction,
to
basically
change
behaviors
at
substantial
scale
and
not
the
small
increments
that
were
suggested.
Thank
you.
P
L
Councillor
collins,
thank
you
chair.
I
just
have
a
question
for
the
lady.
Sorry,
I
didn't
catch
your
name.
You
mentioned
that
you
use
the
path
that
that
bisects
the
school
quite
regularly.
I'm
just
curious.
Where
are
you
going
and
where.
L
P
To
do
what
I
want
to
do
and
need
to
do
as
in
recommended
by
doctors,
I
would
have
to
cross
bree
relaying
back
and
forth
every
chip
I
make
right.
The
southwest
side,
which
is
that
I
would
come
out
on,
has
no
pavement.
Okay,
it
has
a
green
verge
that
is
muddy
at
an
angle
and
very
often
had
time
marks
on
it
where
one
card
had
to
avoid
another.
L
M
What's
your
thought
about
any
of
the
three
of
you
on
using
the
parklands
footpath
as
a
way
of
getting
up
to
the
parade?
If
money
was
found
from
the
council
to
upgrade
that
footpath?
What's
your
views
on
that.
Q
So
far
as
using
sill
is
concerned,
I'm
not
right
quite
sure
where,
where
you're
going
with
it,
because
what
I'm
objecting
to,
although
is
the
highways
traffic
plan,
basically
the
lack
of
mitigation
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
the
fact
that
you
know
310
members
of
brace
which
a
local
group
organized
are
still
strongly
opposed
to
this
to
this
expansion,
particularly
as
there's
a
a
greenfield
site.
Q
Less
than
a
couple
hundred
yards
away,
that's
been
made
available
free
of
charge,
but
for
a
pound
for
the
school
that
they
decided
not
to
go
ahead
with
so
far
as
the
path
is
concerned,
I
mean
my
view:
is
that
safeguarding
will
trump.
You
know
anything
else,
but
whether
or
not
there's
an
alternative
to
where
the
path
is
going
now,
I'm
not
sure
because
my
understanding
from
discussions
with
the
various
people
I
spoke
to
before
is
that
there's
no
viable
alternative
to
it.
O
If
you
say
this
has
been
considered
or
looked
at
or
we've
looked
at
it,
the
possible
alternative
route
linking
in
through
to
the
parkland
moor
lane
existing
footpath,
the
only
potential
route
will
be
from
school,
green
or
somewhere
near
there
to
go
around
the
periphery
of
the
school
through
the
area
that
was
referred
to
as
being
the
maintenance
border
that
is
low-lying
land
in
the
gully
in
a
ditch.
O
Basically,
so
I'm
not
too
sure
how
that
could
support
the
footpath
if
it
was
if
a
live
land
was
different,
then
that
would
be
a
viable
alternative.
A
Okay,
thank
you
I
take
it.
Most
of
your
concern
is
mostly
around
highways
and
the
footpath
and
council
campbell
have
raised.
The
question:
is
most
schools
in
leeds
have
the
issue
around
highways
issue
and
transport?
I'm
going
to
take
my
award.
For
instance,
I've
got
around
four
five
primary
schools
and
seeing
this
site
today
is
no
different
from
my
ward,
but
the
question
is
the
school
is
not
a
new
school
going
to
be?
A
Q
F
P
O
Sorry
can
I
then
get
back
to
safeguarding
principles
of
safeguarding.
I've
already
argued
that
the
this
lack
of
proportionality
here
and
that's
critical,
one
of
the
the
core
principles,
but
if
you're
looking
here
at
the
argument,
that's
been
proposed
by
the
traffic
department's
insane
argument
that
there
might
have
been
a
normal
number
of
accidents
or
no
significant
accidents
on
brewery
lane
really
important
tend
to
safeguarding
is
is
the
main
thing
prevention.
A
A
A
We've
now
got
maria
and
rachel
will
speak
in
favor
of
fabrication.
R
Thank
you,
chad,
good
afternoon,
everyone
so
bramhall
primary
school
is
an
outstanding
school
and
due
to
its
success
and
increase
in
local
population,
the
score
is
now
oversubscribed,
which
is
why
it
has
been
a
ear
market
for
expansion
by
elite
city
council.
The
key
driver
behind
the
application
proposals
is
the
delivery
of
the
improvements
that
will
allow
the
score
to
accommodate
expansion
in
admission
numbers.
R
Notwithstanding
the
small
scale
of
the
proposals,
the
application
includes
a
number
of
off-site
highways
improvements,
including
school
street
order,
yellow
lines
widening
of
the
existing
traffic
islands
and
adding
formal
crossing
points
that
aim
to
mitigate
against
any
potential
impacts.
The
skill
will
also
increase
parking
numbers
at
the
site
which
will
remove
the
pressure
from
neighboring
streets.
This
includes
more
accessible
base
and
brand
new
electric
vehicle
charging
points
at
the
site.
R
A
large
proportion
of
the
application
site
falls
within
a
green
boat
and
therefore
the
majority
of
the
proposed
works
are
to
take
place
within
a
greenbelt
land.
However,
as
confirmed
by
nigel's
assessment,
any
harm
to
the
openness
of
the
greenbelt
resulting
from
the
proposal
is
clearly
outweighted
by
other
considerations.
R
The
site
currently
lacks
a
consistent
parameter
boundary
which
allows
members
of
the
public
easy
access
to
the
site
and,
as
mentioned
earlier,
poses
major
security
and
safeguarding
risk
to
the
score.
This
is
exacerbated
by
the
undesignated
path,
which
dissects
the
site
which
has
been
discussed
earlier.
R
A
Be
before
you
begin,
could
you
please
I've
got
rachel
and
maria?
Could
you
please
all
the
other
talks
are
please.
R
Yes,
sorry,
yes,
so
to
my
right
is
michael
norcliffe,
who
has
prepared
the
transport
statement
for
the
application.
S
Okay,
thank
you.
Maria.
From
my
perspective,
there
are
three
main
benefits
for
the
school
one:
the
opportunity
to
improve
security
on
a
site
which
poses
obvious
risks
to
people
safety.
Since
my
arrival
at
the
school
in
2016,
both
the
la
health
and
safety
team
and
the
la
safeguarding
team
have
voiced
concerns
about
our
site.
S
There
are
three
bike
locks
on
key
stage,
one
playground,
but
this
is
not
an
effective
control
measure
for
security,
as
highlighted
in
the
recent
local
authority.
Safeguarding
audit
members
should
be
clear
that,
although
bram
hope
may
appear
immune
from
high-level
incidents,
the
path
that
runs
through
the
middle
of
our
school
enables
strangers
to
access
our
site
every
day.
S
S
S
Our
visitor
reception
is
in
key
stage,
2
a
significant
distance
from
our
youngest
and
most
vulnerable
pupils.
As
a
result,
our
admin
staff
regularly
leave
reception
to
escort
a
collector
child
from
key
stage,
one.
In
addition,
visitors
arriving
on
the
brewery
rise
side
of
school
struggle
to
locate
the
entrance.
The
opportunity
to
create
a
one
school
feel
with
one
school
field
with
one
main
hall,
one
library,
one
staff,
work
room
and
one
obvious
entrance
would
help
build
a
one
school
culture.
S
S
Members
will
be
aware
that
there
are
huge
differences
in
attainment
and
maturity
between
children,
and
this
is
exacerbated
by
mixed
stage
classes.
The
national
curriculum
objectives
lend
themselves
to
single
form
entry,
but
at
present
key
stage.
2
teachers
must
manage
two
sets
of
learning
objectives
every
time
they
teach
a
lesson.
S
S
M
Just
start
with,
can
you
go
over
what
the
biodiversity
gains
are,
and
can
you
make
clear
what
the
tree
provision
is
going
to
be,
and
then,
secondly,
for
michael,
the
council,
recently
at
the
executive
board,
brought
forward
a
policy
on
road
safety
by
removing
all
injuries
etc?
M
As
a
result
of
that
policy
now
being
implemented?
Is
that
any
changes,
you
think
need
to
be
made
to
the
plan
for
this
particular
and
then
to
rachel?
Can
you
outline
the
work
that
you've
been
doing
to
try
and
improve
road
safety?
I
refer
to
project
happy
of
all
of
all
the
phrases,
but
so
that
to
show
what
you
have
or
haven't
been
doing
in
order
to
address
the
issues.
Thank
you.
R
I'll
take
a
question
about
the
biodiversity
and
landscaping.
Thank
you
councilman,
so
just
on
trees,
so
we're
currently,
unfortunately
losing
seven
trees,
none
of
them,
none
of
them
being
high
value,
but
obviously
we
considered,
if
there's
anything,
we
can
do
not
to
lose
any.
However,
we
will
be
providing
35
trees
in
total,
so
new
species
and
obviously
we're
going
to
go
with
heavy
standard
trees
to
make
sure
the
replacements
are
adequate.
R
We
also
provide
an
additional
shrub
planting,
so,
in
addition
to
35
trees,
we've
got
plenty
of
planting
there's
going
to
be
around
the
school
and
around
the
boundaries
as
well
to
the
south
to
fill
the
gaps
in
terms
of
technical
bits
on
the
biodiversity.
So
obviously
we
are
building
on
some
of
the
play
areas.
So
this
is
where
the
car
park
is
going
to
go,
so
we're
going
to
lose
some
of
the
grass,
but
the
loss
in
biodiversity
is
not
high
because
of
because
what
type
of
species
are
there.
R
So
I
know
we
are
currently
got
net
gain
in
relation
to
shrubs
at
the
site.
I
I'll
be
more
than
happy
to
provide.
I
can
get
the
report
on
biodiversity
if
you're
interested
in
further
figures,
we
haven't
actually
received
comments
from
nature
team.
At
this
stage,
however,
this
is
not
an
issue.
This
will
be
considered
at
the
conditions
stage
if
application
gets
approved,
but
overall,
I
think
we're
hugely
improving
the
landscaping
around
the
side.
R
So
we've
got
a
landscape
architect,
who's
designed
everything
together
with
the
school
to
make
sure
that
this
is
interesting
not
only
for
biodiversity
but
also
visually
and
for
the
children
to
use
in
the
future.
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
sufficient.
Counselor
anderson.
R
Well,
we
we
will
receive
the
formal,
formal
response
from
nature
team
at
the
condition
stage,
but,
for
example,
in
terms
of
policy
on
trees
or
anything
like
that,
we
are
exceeding
it,
so
that
comment
is
still
to
cover
condition
stage.
Thank
you.
H
Excuse
me
yeah.
We
did
look
at
all
potential
options
for
improvements
around
the
school
and
on
the
approach
to
the
school,
including
crossings
on
brewery
lane,
and
it's
not
been
possible
to
locate
anything
in
in
a
suitable
area
along
burial
lane
and
in
terms
of
in
that
being
not
suitable
for
pedestrians
to
cross
at
all.
I.
R
H
There's
a
slight
misunderstanding
in
terms
of
installing
a
formal
crossing
point
and
will
give
priority
to
pedestrians.
H
Whereas
if
we
stick
with
informal
crossing
points,
then
the
onus
is
on
the
driver
to
observe
pedestrians
on
on
that
route
and
other
points
we
looked
at
were
potential
footwear
improvements
on
brewery
lane
on
the
south
side,
don't
believe
that
it's
going
to
bring
an
adequate
benefit,
considering
the
amount
of
use
that
it
might
get
and
it
looks
as
though
it'd
be
a
very
expensive
in
installation
in
terms
of
gradients
and
and
width.
H
M
That
this
site
is
compliant
and
fully
compliant
with
the
proposals
that
have
come
out
by
the
council
in
terms
of
road
safety
and
that
there
is
no
concerns
whatsoever
that
if
this
plan
is
introduced
in
full
by
wyka
and
by
the
council,
which
is
their
intention,
there
will
be
no
mitigation
measures
needed
to
be
put
in
at
this
location.
It
will
pass
with
flying
colours.
H
I
believe
there's
adequate
mitigation
been
proposed.
There
is
a
an
additional
condition
that
would
pick
up
on
any
any
measures
that
we
might
have
missed,
and
so
it
could
be
revisited
as
the
school
expands,
and
it's
just
worth
noting.
I
suppose
that
that
there
aren't
any
recorded
injury
accidents
on
brewery
lane
or
or
around
the
tread
goals.
In
the
last.
I
think
it's
eight
years
and
she's,
I
think
he's
complaining.
S
So,
in
terms
of
measures
we've
taken
to
promote
walking
to
school
and
so
on,
we
do
have
a
parent
contract.
Obviously
that's
voluntary.
It's
something
we've
put
together.
We've
explored
what
parents
will
and
won't
do
we're
trying
to
work
with
parents
and
change
a
culture
so
that
that
has
good
habits
and
talks
about
respectful
driving,
and
we
also
have
we
promote
non-no
parking
at
all
really
and
offers
sort
of
blue
passes
for
people
that
need
to
park
on
site.
S
So
we
say
come
into
the
office
and
request
a
pass
if
you
actually
need
to
park
there.
We
also
talked
about
how
we
involve
the
children,
because
really
that's
the
key
to
changing
the
culture
and
we
want
children
to
be
promoting
that
at
home.
So
we
worked
with
with
the
local
community
and
our
pta
and
other
governors,
and
we
launched
an
initiative
called
project
happy,
which
was
an
all-encompassing
thing.
S
We
looked
at
all
the
ways
that
we
could
promote
healthy
travel
from
a
health
perspective,
so
without
telling
people
what
to
do,
how
could
we
want
them
to
change?
The
biggest
success
for
school
has
been
introducing
travel
tracker,
so
you
might
have
noticed
a
scheme.
That's
it's
used
in
lots
of
schools
across
leeds.
Basically,
the
children
come
in.
They
self-register
every
day,
right
from
reception
they
tap
with
how
they
travel
to
school,
they
they
collect
points
and
they
get
stickers
and
so
on
so
they're
incentivized
to
do
that.
S
That's
where
they're
traveling
to
or
from
school.
We
also
do
cycling
proficiency,
as
was
in
year
six.
So
we
offer
a
scheme
for
that
and
we
do
scooter
training
in
year
four
and
we
work
with
our
local
police
officer.
So
he
was
there.
Yesterday
he
comes
half
terminally
to
help
us
on
site
and
be
a
positive
presence
around
school
and
we
promote
cycling
because
cycling
is,
is
the
one
alternative
that
our
children
feel
they
have
other
than
than
walking.
S
So
we
have
two
two
bike:
two
areas
to
ride
your
bike
in
school
and
we'll
have
a
sponsored
bike
ride
coming
up.
So
it's
anything
we
can
do
to
promote
cycling
along
school.
L
Thank
you.
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions.
The
first.
Can
you
just
clarify
that,
once
the
pence
has
gone
up
and
then
mornings
in
the
afternoons
when
the
children
are
are
walking
in
and
out
of
the
school,
will
the
there
be
a
gate
on
brewery
rise
for
them
to
to
access
so
you'll
have
two
access
points.
Will
you
onto
the
school
grounds?
L
That
was
my
first
question
and
the
second
was:
please
don't
take
this
the
wrong
way,
but
it
doesn't
look
a
very
pretty
school
and
I'm
just
wondering
you
know,
has
somebody
looked
at
the
life
expectancy
of
the
school.
You
know
it's
this
opportunity
to
buy
this
other
state,
not
something
that
you
should
really
be
grabbing
so
that
you
can
get
a
more
modern
school
or
is
the
problem
that
the
the
new
site
is
too
small
and
you
would
potentially
have
room
for
buildings,
but
not
a
playing
field.
S
So
in
terms
of
gates
and
entrances,
we
have.
We
have
thought
about
that
long
and
hard,
because
actually
initially
we
were
thinking
about,
I
was
thinking
about
one
entrance,
bring
it
all
over
to
one
side
in
actuality
that
number
of
children.
I
think
we
need
access
from
both
sides,
so
the
plan
would
be
beginning
and
end
of
the
school
day.
You
could
access
the
school
from
both
sides,
obviously
once
you're
in
you're
in
that's
it,
but
we
would
still
have
entrances
there.
S
We
wouldn't
direct
parents
or
children
to
one
side
or
the
other
to
try
and
allow
greater
flexibility,
and
we
have
a
staggered
start
at
the
beginning
of
the
day,
which
really,
I
should
have
mentioned
as
another
traffic
measure,
so
8
40
to
9
a.m,
which
means
that
there
isn't
the
big
rush
at
any
one
time.
So
we
hope
that
flexible
start
and
flexible
entrances
really
cuts
down
the
traffic
use
at
the
start
of
the
day
in
terms
of
prettiness.
S
I
agree,
I
suppose
what
what
the
school
offers
is
a
great
deal
of
internal
space
on
a
fabulous
site.
I
mean
it's
an
amazing
site
and
I
tell
our
children
how
lucky
they
are
all
the
time
and
not
all
schools
are
like
that
with
that
beautiful
playing
fields,
it's
a
big
part
of
my
agenda
was
enjoying
the
outdoors
integrating
the
garden
and
getting
a
mile
a
day
into
the
curriculum
and
so
on.
So
when
we
first
went
through
the
exercise,
from
my
perspective,
the
classroom
sizes
we
have
now
is
generous.
S
I
think
it's
bigger
than
we
would
get
in
a
modern
building.
We
have
some
really
good
facilities
within.
So
in
an
amazing
hall,
we
have,
as
I
said,
really
fantastic
school
garden,
which
is
which
is
a
really
big
part
of
the
local
community
as
well,
and
something
that
we're
working
on
to
integrate
more
and
more
so
we'd
lose
that
side
of
it.
It
felt
like
there
was
so
much
potential
that
if
we
could
bring
the
right
things
together,
it
was
all
there.
K
So
I
suppose
the
question
I
ask
is:
why
have
you
waited
this
long
to
effectively
put
a
fence
up
and
move
the
path,
because
the
path
certainly
has
been
an
issue?
Well,
an
issue.
It's
been
in
existence
for
well,
I
know
for
30
years.
So
what
suddenly
triggered
this,
because
you
could
have
put
a
fence
up
anytime
in
the
last?
S
It's
not
sudden,
I
have
been
talking
about
it
since
2016,
so
one
of
the
first
things
I
did
when
I
write
at
the
local
authority
was
commission
a
safeguarding
audit,
because
I
was
concerned
about
what
we
were
potentially
exposing
the
children
to
I
live
in
harrogate.
This
is
a
new
area
to
me
new
school.
I
was
really
surprised
at
how
open
it
was
so
I
wanted
to
to
get
on
paper
whether
it
was
a
considered
risk
outside
of
me
saying
that,
which
I
think
it
was
by
the
local
authority
that
was
deemed
definitely
yes.
S
At
that
time
we
had
no
financial
means
of
building
a
fence
at
all,
and
we
obviously
have
mitigating
measures
in
the
meantime
and
those
are
still
in
place
again.
It
felt
like
an
opportunity
that
if
we
were
looking
at
this
as
one
school,
this
was
the
time
to
rectify
a
problem
that
felt
historical
that
should
have
actually
been
done
several
years
ago.
S
It
made
sense
when
the
two
the
schools
were
had
two
separate
boundaries,
I'm
not
sure
how
it
happened,
but
at
some
point,
when
these
became
one
school
that
pattern
in
effect
was
left
in
the
middle
of
it
and
practically
from
a
day-to-day
perspective,
as
well
as
the
safeguarding
side.
I
don't
know
why
it
hasn't
been
rectified,
but
it
I
have
been
trying
and
minuting
on
my
governor's
meetings.
Our
governors
are
very
aware.
I've
been
talking
about
it,
an
awful
lot
since
I've
come
to
the
school.
This
is
just
an
opportunity
to
address
it.
S
They
were
certainly
prepared
to
fence
it.
It's
it's
of
huge
cost
to
to
schools
and,
as
you
know,
schools
don't
have
surplus
budgets.
I
should
have
said
we
did
apply
for
sif
bid
funding,
so
that
possibility
became
available
and
we
academized
and
that's
when
you
can
apply
to
funding
outside
of
your
own
school.
I
put
together
what
I
thought
was
a
very
robust
case.
S
We
had
people
out
to
support
that
report
and
we
missed
that
by
one
point.
So
those
are
awards.
Those
are
awarded
every
year
for
different
situations.
S
It
wasn't
our
year
and
we
intended,
and
we
spoke
to
the
local
authority
about
that
and
said
we
would
reapply
again
the
following
year
so
either
way
we
would
take
that
route
to
erect
the
fencing
and
we
can't
do
it
financially
by
ourselves,
so
it
would
either
be
through
funding
that
was
given
to
us
or
hit
or
through
another
opportunity,
like
this
part,
part
fencing
it
doesn't
solve.
It
is
the
problem.
R
I
just
wanted
to
add
to
what
rachel
said
that,
due
to
the
size
of
the
fencing,
it's
we
need
a
planning
permission
for
to
erect
defensing.
So
it
made
sense
to
put
it
all
together
with
the
application,
because
we
can
do
that.
Otherwise,
there'll
have
to
be
a
separate
application
for
defense
and
then
separate
application
for
other
works.
So
all
came
together.
K
So
it's
okay,
we
understand
about
planning,
planning
applications.
I
think
the
bottom
line
is
you.
Could
you
could
actually
have
done
it
before,
but
it
it?
What
you're
really
saying
does
is
it
makes
economic
sense
for
you
to
do
it
at
the
moment,
because
this
is
a
source
of
funding
that
the
school
doesn't
have
to
effectively
doesn't
have
to
use
its
own
resources
to
fund.
S
From
my
perspective,
I
would
have
felt
remiss
not
to
have
raised
this
again
as
a
safeguarding
issue,
so
to
have
had
the
local
authority
out
and
said.
Yes,
we
totally
agree
that
this
is
a
safeguarding
issue,
but
we're
not
in
a
position
to
fund
you,
which
was
the
bottom
line
from
their
report
and
for
leeds
safeguarding
team.
We
had
an
audit
about
a
month
ago.
So
on
that
risk
assessment,
I
was
asked
again:
what
measures
am
I
taking?
S
K
Understand
what
you're
saying
to
me?
It's
just
that
I
think
all
of
us
when
we
turned
up
on
site
today
and
met
the
dog
walker
coming
through.
We
were
all
a
little
surprised
that
young
got
a
fence
already,
quite
frankly,
because
just
about
well!
In
fact,
all
the
primary
schools
in
my
world
have
fences,
and
I
just
wondered
what
the
rationale
was
for
you
not
having
one
when
everyone
else
seems
to
have
won.
J
Thank
you
chair,
so
I'd
like
to
just
ask
the
path.
I
think
it
is
needed.
I
think
it
disenfranchising
a
lot
of
residents
from
being
able
to
use
some
something
so
I'd
like
to
try
and
explore
some
way
of
diverting
it
because,
as
I
say
in
line
with
the
climate
emergency
and
getting
people
out
of
cars
and
walking
and
all
the
rest
of
it,
it
would
be
nice
if
they
could
access
the
health
center,
for
example.
J
So
it
would
be
good
to
have
that
path
in
some
form.
I
understand
the
need
for
it
not
to
be
through
the
middle
of
the
school,
and
the
other
thing
is
the
the
current
pickup
and
drop-off
arrangements
that
you
have
via
brewery
rise
are
obviously
going
to
disappear.
J
Brewery
rise
is
going
to
be
a
school
street,
I
believe.
So.
How
do
you
see
the
traffic
that
that
solved
almost
then
turning
into
what
you
know?
What
solution
have
you
got
for
that,
because
there's
no
space
that
I
can
see
anywhere
for
those
cars
to
actually
go.
J
Another
question
I've
got
is
why
do
you
need
23
spaces
when
you've
only
in
in
the
new?
The
new
car
park
section:
is
it
because
you're
taking
the
tandem
spaces
that
you
currently
have
from
the
tread
gold
crescent
area,
and
if
so,
what
are
you
going
to
do
with
that
space?
J
So
I
think
that's
everything.
Thank
you.
R
I
think
I'll
be
able
to
answer
questions
about
diverting
the
footpath,
so
we
have
looked
at
obviously
diversing
it
because
we
understand
that
it's
convenience
to
a
lot
of
residents
and
we
know
that
it's
been
there
for
a
long
time.
Unfortunately,
we
couldn't
find
anything
there
will
be
an
actual
diversion
and
as
equally
helpful
as
the
path
that
is
currently
there.
But
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
something
from
accessibility
point
of
view.
The
footpath
that
runs
for
the
school
is
not
accessible.
R
It
has
two
sets
of
steps
and
we
had
comments
from
local
residents
who
use
it
quite
often
that
if
they
were
using
it
with
a
pram
or
if
they'll
be
a
wheelchair
user,
they
are
unable
to
access
it.
So,
however,
even
if
you
live
on
the
brewery
rise
close
to
the
school
entrance,
if
you
continue,
if
you
just
use
the
existing
footpaths
and
go
through
brewery
lane,
then
to
tread
cold
calf
and
then
from
chaturbal
crescent
to
the
medical
center,
you
are
perfectly
fine
and
if
this
is
all
accessible
because
the
pavements
are
flat.
R
H
Each
time
for
parking
and
where
they've
moved
to
there
seems
to
be
in
capacity
it's
just
just
on
really,
and
I
think
I
think
it
will
spread
a
little
bit
into
parklands
and
and
onto
on
to
tread
gold.
That's
the
reason
for
the
for
the
additional
parking
restrictions
and
mitigating
that
additional
demand
for
car
parking,
and,
coming
from
that
second
question,
I
think
you
asked
was
about
the
the
tandem
parking
arrangement
off
tread
goal
crescent.
H
H
So
the
idea
would
be
to
to
try
and
make
some
really
clear
signage,
some
bold
signage,
to
provide
a
maximum
stay
of
20
minutes
in
each
of
those
bays
that
are
being
removed
and-
and
that
would
be
to
replace
the
12
bays
that
appear
to
be
parked
up
all
day
every
day
that
the
school's
in
operation
at
the
moment,
so
hopefully
you'd
free
up
a
bit
of
space
in
that
car
parking
area.
K
E
That's
just
a
question
on
the
school
building.
Given
the
fuel
cost
crisis,
are
there
any
energy
efficiency
measures
being
proposed.
R
Due
to
the
modest
size
of
the
extension,
we
didn't
have
to
produce
a
full
report
of
sustainability
because
the
extension
is
very,
very
small.
It's
all
together
across
both
buildings,
only
250
square
meters,
but
my
understanding
is
from
speaking
to
the
contractor
that
they're
using
all
the
technologies
that
they
can
to
make
sure
that
building
is
sustainable.
But
I'm
not
aware
of
any
additional
sustainability
measures
being
introduced
because,
obviously
it
it
all
boils
down
to
the
fact
that
it's
an
existing
school
and
the
extension
is
very
small.
R
If
we
were
doing
a
full
refurbishment
of
the
score
and
could
render
it
and
add
panels,
then
obviously
there
will
be
more
gain
there.
But
unfortunately,
at
this
stage
we
can
only
rely
on
obviously
modern
construction
to
make
sure
that
the
new
walls
they
create
they
properly
isolate
it.
But
unfortunately
I
haven't
got
anything
further
than
that.
R
At
this
point,
the
solar
panels
are
not
part
of
this
application,
so
I
can't
really
say
that
this
is
something
we
are
doing
at
this
stage,
but
as
far
as
I
understand
the
school
can
look
into
it
in
the
future.
If
there's
anything
it
can
do.
Obviously
there
is
a
cost
associated.
But,
yes,
you
are
right
with
the
flat
root.
They
could
utilize
it,
but
we
just
haven't
incorporated
into
the
current
proposals.
A
K
Sorry,
it's
throw
me
there.
Well
the
question
I
ask
you
is
notwithstanding
what
the
the
consultants
just
said,
which
is
almost
the
standard
answer
into
it
in
relation
to,
I
suppose,
carbon
neutrality,
in
that
it's
only
a
small
extension,
we
won't
have
to
do
much.
B
The
the
trigger
for
for
the
development
to
address
the
the
policies,
the
climate
change
policies
that
you're
referring
to
would
not
apply
in
this
instance
because
it
wouldn't
be
classified
as
a
major
development.
It's
a
minor
development
in
in
planning
terms,
but
the
applicants
will
be
providing
electric
vehicle
charging
points
as
part
of
this
development,
and
the
the
applicant
has
also
made
it
clear
that,
in
terms
of
the
actual
the
construction
works,
then
it
will
be
done
in
an
efficient
in
an
efficient
way
to
achieve
the
best.
B
The
best
solution,
that's
possible
with,
with
with
the
materials
available.
What
you've
got
to
do
is
go
to
match
it
with
the
existing
for
it
to
look
so
you
you
know,
there's
no
opportunity
to,
and
the
funding
is
not
there
anyway
in
the
scheme
to
to
redevelop
all
the
elevations
and
to
introduce
solar
panels
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
within
the
funding
stream,
that's
available,
it's
very
difficult,
but
I
can't
insist
on
it
in
planning
terms,
because
that
policy
would
not
apply
in
this
instance.
Given
the
size
of
the
proposal.
K
Well,
can
I
ask
another
question,
please,
in
relation
to
the
suggestion
to
make:
was
it
brewery
right,
a
school
street?
I
think
actually,
those
of
us
who
have
school
streets
think
they
work,
don't
they
and
they
do.
I,
no
I'm
not
saying
they
don't.
K
B
B
The
street
order
will
be
enforceable
with
with
signage
and
in
the
report
I've
indicated
that
the
school
has
been
added
to
the
priority
list
for
enforcement,
so
a
patrol
officer
will
be
policing
that
on
a
regular
basis-
and
I
suspect
that
would
initially
be
the
case
and
then
if
there
are
infringements,
then
obviously
tickets
tickets
will
be
issued
and
if
people
are
complaining,
there's
no
reason
for
the
enforcement
officer
to
be
there.
B
Then
then
I
was,
I
would
imagine
that
that
would
that
would
tend
to
drop
off,
but
in
terms
of
funding
the
residents,
I
I'd
have
to
kind
of
defer
that
to
my
highways
colleague
to
see
how
that
would
work,
but
in
practice
I
think
it
would
only
be
enforceable
for
half
an
hour
before
the
start
and
half
an
hour
after
the
close
of
the
school
school
day.
It's
not
in
perpetuity
for
the
can.
K
I
help
can
I
help
you
out
because
you've
answered
a
different
question:
you're
asking
you're
answering
the
question
about
enforcement.
Now,
unless
there's
an
issue,
they're
self-enforcing,
that's
not
really
a
problem.
The
problem.
The
issue
is
that
when
you
set
up
a
school
street
effectively,
you
close
the
street
for
part
of
the
day,
beginning
of
the
school
day,
end
of
the
school
day,
all
right,
there's
a
traffic
regulation
order
which
allows
you
to
do
that.
So
there's
a
cost
implication
of
the
traffic
regulation.
K
Right
now
the
people
who
live
on
the
street.
You
cannot
prevent
them
having
access
to
their
effectively
to
access
their
street
for
an
hour
and
a
half
in
the
morning
hour
off
in
the
afternoon.
So
actually
you
hand
out
residence
permits
which
allow
them
to
use
effectively
to
use
their
street
and
access
their
property.
K
They
also
because
the
regulation
order
stops
all
traffic.
You
have
to
give
permits
to
members
of
staff
at
the
school
who
also
wish
to
get
in
and
out,
which
is
quite
reasonable.
All
right
now
there
is
a
cost
implication
to
all
that
because,
as
I
say,
there's
a
traffic
regulation
order.
There's
a
there's
the
cost
of
administering
the
the
the
pass
and
there's
a
cost
to
renewing
the
pass.
K
Now,
there's
a
one-off
cost,
which
is
your
traffic
regulation
on
the
initial
issue
which
I'm
assuming
I'm
assuming
the
school
are
picking
up.
But
I
don't
that's
why
I'm
asking
you
the
question,
but
the
second.
The
second
element
is
who's.
Picking
up
the
rev
effectively
the
revenue
costs
in
perpetuity
for
issuing
permits
to
new
people
for
all
into
all
intents
and
purposes,
and
I
also
assume
that
there
will
be
an
agreement
with
the
school
about
how
they
manage
the
street.
K
I
Chair
sorry
to
interrupt,
but
just
to
be
fair
to
nigel.
I
think
he
did
actually
understand
that
question
right
from
the
outset,
because
he
did
say
in
the
beginning
that
he
was
going
to
answer
the
question
that
related
to
the
enforcement.
Then
he
would
defer
that
to
the
highways
officers.
I
think
he
did
actually
understand
the
question.
He
just
didn't
get
the
opportunity
to
finish
it.
So
if
you
can
do
that.
B
C
Thanks
thanks
chair
thanks
nigel
yeah,
the
the
the
the
permit
we,
we
might
have
to
add
an
extra
condition
that
staff
won't
be
eligible
for
permits,
because
staff
will
have
their
own
parking,
so
the
permits
for
onbrea
rise
is
only
for
residents.
C
I
think
we
might
might
need
to
to
discuss
this
so
so
so
because
staff
will,
they
will
have
an
access
right
through,
but
they
don't.
I
don't
believe
they'll
need
a
permit.
It's
just
for
residents.
C
K
I
know
this
is
one
way
effectively
a
dead
end,
but
you
you
stop
traffic
for
two
parts
of
the
day,
beginning
of
the
school
day
end
of
the
school
day,
so
it
allows
people
to
walk
up
and
down
with
impunity,
but
you
cannot
close
the
street
and
prevent
residents
from
accessing
their
property.
So
therefore
you
have
to
have
a
system
which
allows
that
to
happen
and
the
system
on
all
the
school
streets.
K
I
know-
and
I'm
looking
at
you
because
you're
not
in
your
head,
because
you
must
have
some
involves
them
having
a
permit
and
the
permit
allows
them
to
access
the
property
during
the
time
when
it's
actually
officially
closed
now,
there's
a
cost
there's
a
cost
of
those
which
I'm
scoring
the
school
will
pick
up,
but
the
revenue
cost,
because
those
need
re
renewing
because
who's
picking
that
up.
That's
all
I'm
asking.
G
I
was
just
going
to
say,
I
think
the
question
is
is:
is
not
the
initial
cost
it's
who
keeps
paying
for
the
permits
in
years
and
years
to
come?
Who
can
p?
Who
pays
for
the
permit
cost
in
perpetuity?
Do
the
residents
have
to
pick
it
up,
or
is
the
council
picking
it
up
in
perpetuity?
I
think
it's
the
question.
C
H
K
H
K
I
I
wasn't
expecting
the
school
to
charge,
I'm
just
asking
if
who's
paying
for
it,
so
we
can't.
We
cannot
reasonably
expect
the
residents
to
pay
for
a
parking
scheme
which
has
nothing
to
do
with
them,
not
producing
everything.
So
therefore,
somebody
else
must
be
paying
and
it's
either
the
school
or
the
local
authority,
and
if
it's
the
local
authority,
I
suppose
the
difficult
question
is:
how
much
is
it
going
to
cost
us.
I
Sorry,
joe,
we
are
just
trying
to
check,
but
I
think
what
the
I
think
the
point
that's
been
made
is
that
the
the
initial
cost
is
picked
up
by
by
the
school
and
therefore,
after
that
there
isn't
actually
renewal
cost
that's
charged
the
residents.
I
think
that's
what
we're
trying
to
say,
but
we
can
check
that,
let's
check
it
so
can
we
move
on
to
further
questions?
Can
we
sorry
I'm
just
going
to
say:
can
we
move
on
to
further
questions,
we'll
try
and
come
back
to
it,
because.
A
F
Question
was
to
the
highways
officer,
or
maybe
nigel
with
regards
to
the
street-
that's
going
to
become
the
school
street.
When
we
go
right
down
to
the
bottom,
the
main
road
there
is
sort
of
a
little
hump
there
already.
I
was
yes
so
we're
coming
out
the
school
on
the
left-hand
side
standing
on
the
left
could
couldn't
there
be
another
hump
put
in
there.
You
know
I
was
asking
if
that
that
could
could
be
looked
at.
F
You
know,
as
part
of
you
know,
slowing
down
traffic,
and
also
I
did
mention
about.
I
wasn't
happy
about
the
tree
being
taken
down
that
what
what
tree
was.
It
is
that
the
sycamore
but
I've
thought
about
it
and
to
make
it
level
for
for
for
that's
through
school.
I've
changed
my
mind
about
that,
so
I
won't
go
on
about
that
and
so
just
to
say,
with
regards
to
the
school
trying
to
get
parents
to
and
children
to
walk
ride
and
bus
to
school.
F
F
So
I
I
do
understand
all
the
things
that
you've
put
in
and
tried
because
we
try
all
the
time
and
just
to
say
a
little
about
with
regards
to
when
it
become
a
street
school
and
at
the
end
of
the
day
or
the
beginning
of
the
day,
and
the
teachers
go
out
and
put
cones,
etc,
and
one
person
stop
stand
there.
F
I
think
the
other
list
at
the
other
list
at
the
beginning,
with
regards
all
who
lived
there
with
cars
and
they
were
just
ticking
them
off
and
then,
as
the
teachers
are
the
caretaker
who
do
that
every
day
they
get
used
to
it.
So
don't
think
well,
the
street
that
I
know
they
just
have
a
little
square
ticket
in
there
in
their
car.
So
I
don't
know
if
the
pay.
F
B
Shall
I
answer
the
question
just
in
relation
to
the
tree?
No,
not
with
stan.
Oh
it's,
those
okay,
okay,
so
I
think
from
the
site
visit
this
morning.
Council
hamilton
these
these.
These
are
the
existing
humps
and
I
think,
from
what
you
described,
you
were
discussing
the
possibility
of
a
hump
being
introduced
in
this
area.
B
Yeah
yeah.
I
think
that
is
something
that
highways
officers
can
look
into,
but
I
do
I
do
realize,
there's
also
some
technical
standards
in
relation
to
the
proximity
of
of
humps
in
relation
to
each
other,
so
there
will
be
some
technical
standards
that
would
need
to
be
applied
and
whether
that
can
be
satisfied
or
not.
In
this
instance,
I
don't
know,
but
I'm
happy
to
to
defer
that
to
to
to
my
highway
engineer
and
ask
for
their
advice
on
that
matter.
B
F
What
can
I
just
say
chair
that?
I
hope
they
don't
find
any
excuse
not
to
put
in
a
a
little
extra
home
talking
about
distance
etc,
because
some
of
the
schools
that
we
have
to
drive
through
they
seem
very
close
to
me.
So
I
hope
they
don't
find
an
excuse
not
to
put
one
because
they
saw
a
coming
round
sort
of
for
ben
aren't
there.
So
I
think
once
an
extra
hump
is
there
would
help.
C
Yeah
thanks
yeah
we
can,
we
can
look
into
it,
but
we
we.
Obviously
we
can't
deviate
from
the
current
standards.
We
we
there's
a
certain
interval
distances
the
problem
with
having
humps,
especially
in
that
location,
there's
a
bend
there
there's
gradient.
We
need
to
look,
we
need.
C
We
need
to
be
careful
where
that's
placed
how
wide
it
is,
but
as
if
the
road
is
enforcing
the
intended
speed
limit,
then
the
current
humps
do
work,
but
there
is
technical
standards,
and
all
of
this
will
still
will
still
have
to
go
process.
Take
it
to
highways
board,
take
it
to
approval
from
council
ahead
and
then
we'll
have
to
consult
local
world
members,
so
any
of
the
detailed
design
stuff.
We
can
definitely
we'll
we'll
be
looking
at
it.
I
There's
two
things
this
question
to
to
ahmad:
can
you
just
remind
the
panel
what
the
current
speed
regulation
is
on
that
particular
stretch
of
road.
I
It
is
already
a
20
limit,
so
when
you
talk
about
slowing
it
down
a
bit
more,
it
might
be
at
walking
speed,
but
but
we
could
have
a
look
at
that,
but
then
just
going
back
just
just
just
going
back
to
just
going
back
to
the
other
comments.
Councillor
campbell's
nikki's
had
the
opportunity
to
have
a
look
at
the
permit
situation.
There's
the
initial
cost
of
the
permit.
But
after
that
there
is
no
re.
I
K
Well,
I'm
sorry,
sorry,
nikki!
That's
not
what
jillian
mccloud
told
me
when
we
had
the
discussion
about
the
one
on
scarborough
road,
so
there's
a
base
cost
yes
and
then
there's
a
cost
element
in
relation
to
one.
If
you
lose
your
pass
one,
if
you
change
your
car
one,
if
it's
new
people
etc,
etc,
there
has
to
be
a
renewal
cost.
K
You
know
ev
every
every
residence
parking
scheme
we've
got
in
the
across
the
entirety
of
the
city
as
a
renewal
cost,
because
people
keep
doing
it,
you
can't
just
simply
you
know
how
would
how
would
people
know
you
know
if
I
turned
up
on
bree
rise
and
said:
oh
yeah,
I've
just
moved
in
down
there.
Well.
E
You
I've
just
been
on
the
council's
website.
Council
campbell
and
I've
tried
to
apply
for
one
for
a
school
permit
one
and
it's
zero
cost.
There
is
a
cost,
a
portion
to
in
relation
to
replacement
change
of
name
loss,
and
so
so
that
I
can
only
go
on
what
our
council
website
says,
but
in
relation
to
what
you've
been
told
by
senior
officers,
we
can
certainly
follow
that
up.
So
we've
got
that
information
to
hand
send
that
to
you,
so
that
we're
able
to
respond
to
that
directly.
Yes,.
K
But
the
point
is
what
you're,
what
you're
you're,
not
comparing
like
would
like,
because
the
school
streets
you're
looking
at
were
actually
sponsored
by
the
city
council
all
right
and
the
city
council
has
agreed
to
pick
up
the
on
costs
of,
in
effect
the
permit
issue.
So
when
you
say,
there's
no
cost,
there
is
no
cost
to
the
the
occupant
because
initially
well,
the
city
council
picked
up
the
entirety
of
the
cost.
K
K
Now,
if
we
can
put
a
condition
on
that
says
effectively
on
costs
in
relation
to
the
parking
permits
will
be
born,
the
cost
of
which
will
be
gone
by
the
developer
and
and
or
their
successor.
Then
that's
fine,
because
that
picks
up
the
time
it
doesn't.
It
does
not
commit
the
council
to
expenditure,
which
I
don't
think
we
could
do.
E
J
J
You
chair,
so
my
question
really
is
it's
to
highways,
I'm
afraid
again,
so
we're
we
will
effectively
move
to
420
places
at
this
school.
J
We're
removing
the
current
pickup
and
drop-off
facility
in
favor
of
a
school
street,
and
we've
got
two
entrances
so
given
the
geographical
location
of
this
school
and
the
catchment
area,
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
displaced
traffic,
what
I
mean
other
than
what
the
few
bits
you're
going
to
do
on
breery
lane?
What
what
else
are
you
going
to
do
to
to
provide
some
something
for
the
for
the
residents?
Because
it's
it's
not
practical
for
many
of
those
parents,
I
suggest
to
walk
to
that
school.
J
C
Thanks
thanks
thanks
counselor
the
the
the
traffic
plan
that
nigel
presented,
it
shows
the
what
we're
doing
to
mitigate
that
displacement
of
parking
at
the
minute
that
the
impact
the
significant
impact
is
on
reary
rise
and
our
based
on
the
existing
behavior
and
distribution
of
traffic.
C
So,
whilst
we're
spreading
the
co,
what
was
we'll
we'll
be
spreading
the
impact
the
double
yellow
lines
will
will
allow
for
more
two-way
movements
will
allow
for
traffic
to
flow
more
easily
and
and
and
that's
the
main
point
and
another
thing
that
I
would
add,
is
the
current
situation
on
rear
eyes.
C
Is
it's
there's
a
highway
safety
concern
at
the
minute,
because
people
have
to
do
multiple
maneuvers,
while
there's
kids
crossing
behind
them,
because
the
road
is
very
narrow,
so
you'll
have
to
to
do
to
do
multiple,
maneuvers,
the
so
so
so
having
a
street
order
will
will
essentially
eliminate
that
and
will
make
even
rise,
more
free
flowing.
S
Is
it
possible
to
say
something
about
the
sorry
I
don't
know
how
to
is
it
possible
to
speak
or
not
in
terms
of
just
I'm,
adding
to
that
and
and
your
question
I
don't
know
what
the
protocol
is.
Sorry,
I'm
just
going
to
try
and
say.
L
Thank
you,
chair
mine's,
following
on
from
council
campbell's,
but
hopefully
I'll
be
more
sick.
Skin
officers
mentioned
that
they
would
review
the
situation
in
a
few
years
time
and
if
more
traffic
works
were
required,
then
they
would
look
again
for
another
traffic
regulation
order.
Is
the
school
paying
up
front
through
section
106
for
that
second
traffic
regulation
order,
or
are
you
going
to
be
challenging
or
find?
L
Are
you
going
to
have
to
find
a
challenging
way
to
actually
fund
it?
How
is
that
second
traffic
regulation
order
coming
through,
because
I
agreed
with
my
counsellor
colleague
that
speed
cushions
along
there
you
may
need
to
put
more
in
or
you
might
need
to
actually
turn
one
into
a
platform
rather
than
cushion
so
how's
that
second
trr
go
going
to
be
funded.
B
So
the
the
the
traffic,
the
condition
in
your
report
refers
to.
B
Let
me
just
find
it
it's
condition:
16,
isn't
it
post
occupation,
highway
monitoring
and
whilst
the
wording
of
the
condition
itself
wouldn't
directly
refer
to
a
summer
money,
because
you
can't
ask
for
money,
as
you
know,
via
a
planning
condition
at
the
at
the
outset,
the
the
the
applicant
will
put
a
sum
of
money
aside
to
deal
with
any
potential
future
remedial
works
which
may
be
necessary
and
that's
a
pretty
standard
thing
that
the
council
does
when
it
deals
with
applications
which
it
submits.
M
Yet
you
now
say:
you've
not
got
money
to
do
a
whole
lot
of
other
things.
What's
happened
to
that
money
because
and
also
why
can
we
not
introduce
a
school
crossing
patrol
officer
on
rear
lane,
at
least
for
a
period
of
time,
to
be
agreed
two
three
four
years?
Something
like
that,
because
what
I
cannot
understand
about
this
whole
process
is
that
as
ward
members
we've
been
involved
in
this
for
ongoing
months,
it
was
during
the
pandemic
when
they
it
first
started.
So
it's
none
of
this.
M
None
of
this
is
new
to
either
the
consultant
or
to
highways.
Not
one
thing.
There
is
already
a
massive
problem
in
the
area,
so
it's
not
surprising
to
anybody.
This
is
not
suddenly
something
that's
new.
That's
suddenly
just
come
along,
so
when
the
budget
was
set
by
councillor
prior
at
the
time,
what
was
included
in
terms
of
highway
costs,
because
I'm
arguing
that
we
should
be
paying
for
traffic
measures
on
brewery
lane.
At
least
we
should
be
looking
at
trying
to
introduce
a
school
crossing
patrol
officer.
M
At
least
we
should
be
doing
something
to
ensure
that
we
basically
condition
our
own
department
parking
enforcement
that
they
will
do
something
about
this,
rather
than
just
pay
lip
service
in
terms
of
enforcement,
because
otherwise
it
just
goes
into
distribute.
Even
if
you
put
yellow
lines
and
if
nobody's
getting
any
parking
tickets,
then
parents
will
continue
to
do
it
and
it
will
harass
residents
and
then
on
crescent
crescent.
There
are
ongoing
problems.
M
Johnny
waters
has
been
trying
for
years
to
come
up
with
a
solution
to
it.
So
this
is
not
an
unusual
occurrence.
There's
all
of
the
work
he's
done.
We've
not
come
up
with
a
solution
to
it.
We've
worked
with
the
school.
We've
worked
with
the
police
to
try
and
get
something
done.
Why
is
it
that
the
council
will
not
put
their
hands
in
their
pocket
and
actually
put
some
investment
in
to
actually
do
something
about
it?
M
I've
been
trying
to
source
money
from
various
section,
106
funding
getting
absolutely
nowhere,
because
nobody
wants
to
spend
the
money
now
highways
had
the
money
to
do.
The
crossing
so
that
money
was
there
so
now
how
about
spending
that
on
okay,
I've
made
some
suggestions.
Cancer
hamilton's
made
some
suggestions,
I
don't
mind
who's
you
take.
All
I'm
saying
is
the
money,
let's
use
that
money
to
actually
make
some
improvements
and
make
this
area
safer,
because
it's
not
going
to
be
safe,
because
you,
if
you
were
you,
went
on
site
this
morning.
M
When
we
were
on
site,
you
could
see
the
sort
of
snake
nature
of
breer
lane
you
know
all
it
takes.
Is
a
couple
of
pupils
to
suddenly
see
their
friends
on
the
other
side
of
the
road
and
they'll
be
off.
They
will
be
off.
That's,
unfortunately,
the
nature
of
young
children,
and
so
we've
got
to.
We
don't
want
to
have
to
come
back
and
say
it
sometime
in
the
future.
Oh
an
accident
occurred.
Oh
we'll
now
need
to
do
something
about
it.
We
need
to
stop
the
accidents
happening
now.
M
Highways
spend
far
too
much
time
only
putting
money
into
accident
areas
instead
of
looking
at
putting
money
into
areas
before
an
accident
occurs.
Why
should
one
of
the
children
in
my
ward
have
to
be
killed
or
seriously
injured
before
someone
will
take
any
serious
action?
And
that
goes
throughout
the
city
as
well?
I
mean
I'm
going
on
about
my
ward,
but
that
goes
to
any
other
ward
in
the
city.
Why
have
we
got
to
wait
until
someone
has
killed
us
easily
injured
before
highways
will
do
something?
M
This
has
been
your
opportunity
to
turn
around
at
this
point
and
say
this
is
the
shopping
list
of
things
we
highways
want
and
then,
let's,
whoever
is,
is
funding.
It
come
back
and
say:
well
sorry,
we
don't
think
we
should
be
funding
that
we're
not
going
to
fund
that,
because
at
the
moment
I've
been
trying
to
get
funding
failing
miserably
in
trying
various
sources.
I've
tried
education,
I've
tried
highways.
A
M
B
Thank
you,
councilman
anderson
I'll
start
with
the
easy
one
first
in
terms
of
the
the
hours
of
work
condition.
Yes,
one
condition
such
as
that
can
be
added
to
the
to
the
to
to
any
approval
in
in
relation
to
enforcement
matters,
I
mean
clearly,
once
the
orders
are
ratified,
it's
up
to
the
the
road
users
to
comply
with
the
law
and
and
and
that
that
would
be
the
the
expectation.
B
B
Following
the
representations
that
you
and
your
what
colleagues
have
made
so
so
it
will
be
policed,
and
I
think
I
said
in
the
introduction
that,
in
terms
of
the
level
of
policing,
it's
dependent
on
the
number
of
infringements
and
if,
if
a
lots
of
tickets
are
being
issued,
then
that
policing
will
continue
if
people
are
complying
with
the
the
orders
as
they
should,
then
then
that
will
be
reduced,
but
the
school
will
not
be
removed
from
that
list.
B
So
so
we
will
continue
and
initially
it
will
be.
It
will
be
done
perhaps
even
on
a
daily
basis,
but
then
it's
a
kind
of
a
situation
where
you
then
have
to
monitor
how
it's
actually
working
in
practice.
B
So
so
that's
that's.
That's
the
situation
there.
I
think
it
would
be
unreasonable
to
insist
on
on
the
school
paying
for
a
dedicated
warden
to
to
to
to
to
to
continue
to
carry
out.
B
However,
when
our
internal
highways
engineers
looked
at
that
it
was
deemed
to
be
unsafe
and
therefore
was,
was
removed.
Well,
well,
it's
the
applicant
who
was
suggesting
that
he's.
Not
it's
not.
You
know,
as
a
planning
authority,
you
know
we're
just
looking
at
the
scheme
on
it
on
its
merits.
As
it's
presented
to
us.
I
There's
been
some
very
emotive
language
in
here
about
children
being
killed,
etc,
etc,
which
concerns
me
a
time
a
little
bit
because
what's
been
brought
forward,
is
a
series
of
measures
which
is
actually
proactive,
not
reactive,
so
the
measures
that
have
actually
been
articulated
already
in
the
plans
that
you've
seen
are
proactive
to
cover
what
is
perceived
as
potential
issues.
So
that's
in
front
of
you,
so
it's
not
reactive.
It's
proactive!
E
I
I'm
just
trying
to
be
clear
here
as
to
exactly
what
all
the
measures
beyond
what's
being
put
forward,
particularly
if
the
speed
table
is
within
the
the
distances
where
we
think
it's
not
acceptable.
What
is
actually
required.
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
that
particular
point,
because
ultimately
the
officers
will
have
to
discuss
this
further,
but
I'm
not
very
clear.
A
proactive
set
of
measures
has
been
put
forward
by
the
applicant.
How
highways
officers
have
agreed
that
we
think
it's
adequate
for
its
purpose
and
fit
for
purpose?
I
A
I
Not
to
be
too
provocative
here,
obviously
our
highways
officer
has
said
that
that
those
measures
are
fit
for
the
purpose,
and
you
know
nikki
and
other
legal
officers
have
said
that
there
has
to
be
an
element
of
trust
and
confidence
in
what
the
officers
are
saying.
But
even
if
that
doesn't
work,
there
is
the
the
condition
about
further
mitigation
measures.
So
I
think
I
think
that
point's
actually
covered.
C
Yeah,
I
I
just
want
to
clarify
council
answer
the
the
zebra
crossing
the
funding
is.
Is
we've
got
funding
for
this
scheme
in
front
of
you?
That's
what
what
the
funding
is
here
for?
We
can't
keep
adding
to
it,
because
we
we
need
we're
mitigating
it's.
A
proportion
of
the
development
we
mitigate
the
nppf
is
to
mitigate
the
development's
impact
to
acceptable
degree,
and
this
is
what
we
have
here,
we're
as
high
as
officer
we've
assessed
this
independently
to
the
to
the
applicant.
C
So
we
do
you
know
we
it
we,
and
you
know
there
are
a
number
of
officers
who
looked
at
it,
the
the
the
other
point
about
school
patrol
offices.
I
think
nigel
covered
that
that
will
will
have
our
own
parking
services.
That
will
add
this
to
the
list
and
then
they'll
they'll
enforce
it.
There
is
the
stuff
about
sustainability,
so
the
the
school
will
have
additional
cycle
parking
and
scooter
places
and
three
ev
charge
points
and
then
three
extra
to
be
provided
in
the
future.
C
A
D
Thank
you
chair.
I
I
just
want
to
add
that,
where
the
team's
efficiency
and
participation
team,
where
the
proposal
to
create
additional
additional
places
in
brama,
came
from
and
went
through
the
public
consultation,
I
know
comments
have
been
made
or
questions
have
been
asked
around
the
land
that
was
set
aside
within
the
housing
development
at
breira
learned
and
just
really
trying
to
clarify
why
we
decided
to
not
pursue
that
so
that
that
was
an
option
when
we
were
looking
at
school
places
going
back
a
couple
of
years.
D
However,
the
land
that
was
set
aside
was
for
a
two
form
of
entry
primary
school,
so
that
would
have
created
an
extra
60
places
in
the
area.
At
the
time
bram
up's
published
admission
number
was
40,
so
there
would
have
been
100
places
if
we'd
have
pursued
that
route
with
a
free
school.
D
D
Our
estimates
were
that
60
places
in
the
area
would
be
sufficient
for
children
of
brahmo.
So
our
decision
then
was
well.
We've
got
a
primary
school.
There
already
can
that
school
expand
to
60,
taking
it
up
an
extra
20
places
per
year.
Adding
in
an
extra
new
school
would
over
over
over-profi
over-provide
would
impact
on
one
or
both
for
schools
financially
or
either
that
or
both
schools
would
become
popular
and
what
it
would
do
is
it
would
bring
in
children
from
outside
the
area.
D
There'd
be
lots
of
traffic
into
the
area,
because
we
know
that
bram
up
itself
as
an
academy
is
popular,
so
either
the
new
school
free
school
would
be
impacted
and
would
not
be
sustainable
or
there
would
be
lots
of
traffic
into
the
area
from
people
that
are
not
living
in
brama
from
further
afield
but
potentially
trying
to
get
into
schools
as
part
of
a
view
to
get
into
secondary
provision.
D
I
F
Saying
to
the
officer
thanking
because
I
was
saying
we're
looking
at
it
and
wouldn't
it
be
better
to
knock
them
down
and
just
rebuild,
but
I've
heard
what
you
said
about
free
school
and
expanding
it
and
people
coming
from
outside
the
area.
So
I'll
go
with
it.
I
The
two
things
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
was
that
all
the
you
obviously
you've
got
to
consider
the
applications
in
front
of
you
demolishing
the
school
and
starting
again
is
not
what
we're
causing
I
just
I.
I
know
you
know
that,
but
I
just
yeah,
but
but
the
two
things
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
was
that
actually
the
extensions
and
alterations
of
the
school,
which
is
the
whole,
the
headmaster's
office
and
the
entrances,
don't
affect
actually
the
teaching
accommodation.
I
So
if
you
were
to
take
away
the
extensions
that
are
in
front
of
you,
the
additional
intake
for
which
we've
had
this
long
debate
about
the
highways
issue
could
actually
be
done
without
the
external
alterations
that
have
been
proposed
because
it's
all
internal
within
the
fabric
of
the
existing
building.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
point
clear.
I
The
second
one
is
something
I
think
got
locked
in
the
mix
earlier
on
which
related
to
the
footpath,
and
I
just
think
members
need
to
be
clear
of
this
before
we
get
anywhere
actually
making
a
decision
on
this
application
that
actually
this
application
doesn't
grant
permission
for
the
closure
of
that
footpath.
That's
done
under
separate
legislation;
ultimately,
it
would
facilitate
it
if
it
was
granted
because,
of
course
it
will
be
fenced.
I
I
just
think
members
need
to
be
absolutely
clear
that,
because
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
the
the
closure
of
footpath-
and
I
think
it's
something
that
was
lost
to
the
the
speakers
that
were
speaking
against
it,
I
don't
think
they
fully
understood
that.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
clear.
Thank
you,
chair.
K
L
J
You
thank
you
chair.
My
comment
is
well.
It
should
really
have
been
a
question,
but
you
didn't
come
back
to
me
so
so
it's
kind
of
for
highways
and
it's
almost
a
comment
question
so,
but
no
I'll
tell
lights.
For
nigel
sorry,
you
you
made
a
comment
that
enforcement
would
be
issuing
any
penalty
notices
as
required
for
poor
parking,
etc
and
that
the
the
more
need
there
was
for
penalty
notices.
J
Would
there
would
that
would
be,
how
much
more
presence
they
would
offer,
but
we
all
know
because
we've
all
got
schools
in
our
wards
that
that
isn't
the
case.
So
if
we
don't
have
enforcement
officers
there
to
issue
penalty
notices,
then
we
won't
get
enforcement
officers
back
to
issue
the
penalty
notices.
So
I
was
just
a
little
bit
confused
what
you
meant
by
that,
because
I
you
know,
I
think
we
do
need
the
enforcement
officers
and
we
do.
J
We
do
need
them
around
all
of
our
schools
to
be
fair,
but
we
need
to
buy
in
from
the
schools
to,
as
you
say,
educate
the
parents.
So
it's
a
journey
for
everybody.
B
Yeah,
just
just
to
just
to
clarify,
I
mean
clearly,
the
problems
that
have
been
discussed
today
are
common
with
every
school
across
the
city
across
the
country.
B
And-
and
you
know
obviously
I'm
sympathetic
to
that,
but
but
at
the
same
time
we've
got
to
deal
with
proposals
to
expand
schools
and
there
will
be
consequences.
But
in
terms
of
the
the
management
clearly,
officers
enforcement
officers
can
be
at
every
school
at
every
single
time.
B
So
it
is
spread
across
the
city,
and
I
did
say
that
it's
been
added
to
the
list
of
priority
schools
and
it
will
be
policed
as
actively
as
it
needs
to
be
and
where
fines,
where
fans
are
issued
on
a
frequent
basis,
then
it's
almost
self-perpetuating
because
officers
come
out
more
often
than
to
issue
more
tickets
because
of
their
ongoing
infringements.
B
J
I
come
back
on
my
comment
now
sorry
so
based
on
based
on
all
of
that
and
to
try
and
mitigate
all
of
that.
Would
it
not
have
made
more
sense
to
have
had
the
pedestrian
entrance
down
by
trey
gold
or
tread
gold
crescent
and
then
leave
the
current
pick
up
and
drop
off
down
really,
as
in
as
it
was
so
they
could
come
down,
they
could
drop
off
and
come
back
out
and
then
you
wouldn't
have
a
lot
of
the
other
problems
that
you've
got.
B
A
K
I
think
chen,
I
suppose
it's
one
of
these
ones
that
we're
always
stuck
with
into
which
is,
if
you
were
building
a
school
now
you
wouldn't
put
it
there,
but
we
stuck
with
what
we've
got
and
I
don't
think
any
of
us
have
raised
any
issues
about
the
school
expanding
because
we
know
the
school
needs
to
expand
because
there
are
more
houses
in
bravo
and
the
demands
there,
so
that
those
two
are
given.
I
think
in.
K
In
our
opinion,
I
think
our
our
concern
relates
to
if
we
expand
the
school,
the
impact
of
that
expansion
on
on
the
neighborhood,
and
we
have
to
ask
ourselves
the
question
and
I
suppose,
from
my
point
of
view,
it
really
is
the
traffic
issue.
That's
the
major
one.
Where
am
I
confident
am
I
confident
that
what's
proposed
will
mitigate
against
the
issues
that
that
will
inevitably
arise?
I
accept
what
highways
officers
have
said
to
us,
they're
they're
employed
to
give
us
the
best
advice
that
they
think
is
available.
K
We're
supposed
to
look
at
that
advice.
Look
at
what
we
saw
on
the
ground
this
morning
and
say
to
ourselves:
do
we
think
that's
adequate
and
I
have
to
say
in
the
case
of
breeder
lane,
I
don't
think
it
is,
and
I
think
sharon's
come
up
with
a
suggestion.
Barry's
got
a
suggestion.
I
think
there
are
more
works
that
could
take
place
on
brewery
lane
to
make
it
a
less
attractive
spot
to
stop
and
drop
the
kids
off
the
school
street.
K
K
I
think
the
I
know
it's,
it's
always
the
same
with
consultants
in
there
every
time
they
want
to
chop
down
the
tree.
They
re
always
tell
us.
The
trees
are
low
value
yeah,
it's
almost
a
given.
Actually,
the
trees
themselves
are
not
low
value
because
they
do
a
fantastic
job
at
sucking
carbon
out,
and
if
you
look
at
those
trees,
there
are
five
six
mature
trees
on
that
site,
which
are
sucking
a
considerable
amount
of
carbon
out
there.
K
K
With
hindsight,
you
could
say
that,
but
I
think
much
more
could
be
done
and
should
be
done,
bearing
in
mind
that
this
we're
trying
to
get
developments
carbon
neutral,
so
I
think
more
could
be
done
to
suck
carbon
out
the
atmosphere.
The
path,
as
you
say,
is
a
completely
different
issue.
It's
it's
different
legislation,
as
I
said
on
site.
K
Actually,
even
if
they
didn't
get
the
path
sorted
out,
ninety
percent
of
what
they
want
to
do
they
could
do
on
site.
So
at
the
moment,
I'm
in
a
bit
of
a
difficult
position,
because
I
don't
think
the
traffic
works
are
adequate.
I
think
the
rest
of
it
can
be
overcome
with
a
bit
of
work.
G
Thank
you
chair.
I
think
I
think
it's
been
clarified
actually
already
by
our
education
colleagues
that
actually
the
school
could
expand
without
a
planning
permission
because
of
the
internal
layout,
so
actually
we're
not
actually
having
a
school
expansion
because
of
the
planning
application
they
can
do
anywhere
making
alterations
to
the
building.
That
would
have
an
impact
on
the
highways
mitigation
measures,
because
actually
they
could
do
it
now
already
and
not
have
to
put
in
any
highway
mitigation
measures
because
they
could
do
it
anyway.
G
I
do
agree
with
councillor
collins
that
maybe
we
should
be
looking
at
slightly
more
heavy
mature
trees
rather
than
only
14
of
them,
and
I
think
that's
a
conversation
that
should
be
considered,
but
on
the
basis
of
this,
none
of
us
would
accept
in
any
of
our
awards
a
school
having
such
a
permeable
barrier.
Well,
you
could
not
guarantee
the
safeguarding
of
children.
All
the
other
issues
raised
by
people
today
are
actually
not
over
that
material.
The
school
can
expand
already
with
no
highways
mitigation.
G
The
path
can
go
if
it's
agreed
that
it
can
go
via
our
public
right-of-way
team,
so
we're
here
to
discuss
effectively
the
extension
to
the
building
which
doesn't
actually
affect
the
capacity
and
whether
or
not
they
should
have
a
fence
around
to
protect
the
kids.
And
I
think
that's
what
we're
here
to
make
a
decision
on
today
and
I
think,
on
that
basis,
I'll
be
supporting
the
recommendation.
E
L
Collins,
thank
you
chair,
a
very
good
explanation
from
children's
services,
by
the
way
as
to
why
we
should
be
expanding
this
school
and
not
putting
in
a
new
school.
I
fully
understand
that
now.
Thank
you
for
that.
I
think
our
priority
has
got
to
be
to
allow
this
school
to
expand.
We
children
in
that
area
do
need
good
education.
This
is
a
school,
that's
proved.
It
provides
good
education.
L
L
One
one
objective
seemed
to
be
saying:
wasn't
fair
on
the
children,
another
one
seemed
to
be
saying:
it's
not
fair
of
me,
so
the
children
are
obviously
still
going
to
be
able
to
walk
to
school
and
and
use
that
gate,
and
I
would
have
thought
that
the
lady
who's
who
has
been
advised
to
to
exercise
could
could
actually
try
and
find
another
route
to
exercise.
L
So
I
appreciate
it's
not
in
our
gift
to
actually
close
that
footpath,
but
I
don't
think
giving
the
school
the
opportunity
to
put
the
fence
up
is
in
conflict
with
that
at
all
highways.
It's
always
a
big
question.
Highways
have
highways,
got
a
horrible
job,
because
they've
got
all
the
original
current
roads
to
try
and
deal
with
and
improve
on
and
when
they
try
and
make
things
wider
or
straighter,
then
there's
always
somebody's
going
to
object
to
that
as
well.
L
But
I
would
plead
with
them
to
make
sure
that
that
pot
of
money
is
properly
put
aside
for
any
future
tro
and
future
works,
and
that
in
a
few
couple
of
years
times
that
it's
not
down
to
the
local
councillors
to
to
try
and
justify
why
those
additional
works
don't
go
in.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
M
This
is
we
need
the
school
needs
to
be
expanded.
We
need
to
safeguard
the
pupils.
I'm
sorry
highways.
You've
done
absolutely
nothing
to
help
mitigate
the
problems
that
exist
in
the
area
and
won't
get
any
better
as
a
result
of
this,
irrespective
of
the
expansion,
there
are
serious
problems.
It's
not
as
if
it's
new
to
highways,
you
know
we're
right
to
expand
the
school,
we're
right
to
put
the
fence
up
to
safeguarding
but
you're
we're
the
community
is
being
let
down
by
highways,
not
taking
this
issue
seriously
enough
and
coming
up
with
possible
alternatives.
M
You've
just
accepted,
or
it's
difficult
to
do.
Well,
yes,
it
might
be
difficult
to
do,
but
it's
not
impossible.
It
is
not
impossible
to
improve
the
situation
on
crescent
lane,
the
surrounding
streets
on
briery
lane,
because
people
will
disappear
up
all
these
the
houses
off
of
it.
People
will
park
over
people's
entrances.
There
will
be
frustrations,
there
will
be
people
rising
temperature,
the
same
as
outside
every
other
school.
Probably
in
this
city
as
well,
exactly
the
same
thing
happens,
we're
being
let
down
the
residents
are
being
let
down
by
highways.
Here.
M
M
M
Why
we've
looked
at
it,
we
know
best,
and
so
I'll
reluctantly
have
to
support
it,
because
I
do
want
the
school
to
be
expanded
because
the
school
itself
wants
to
improve
its
offer,
and
this
is
the
only
way
we
can
get
it
done
for
them,
but
we
are
being
let
down
and
the
school
are
going
to
have
to
put
up
with
a
lot
of
flack
over
highways
issues
that
are
not
their
responsibility
for
sorting
out,
and
it
is
unfair
that
the
head
teacher
has
got
to
take
the
flack
for
things
that
she
cannot
do
anything
about
she's,
trying.
M
A
Listen,
I'm
sure
I
would
did
the
best
they
can
on
this
project.
They
went
out
and
they
do
the
best
they
can.
They
think
of
young
people
and
they
also
think
of
the
road
users
as
well.
There's
other
people
use
the
roads
as
well
as
young
people.
So
I
don't
know
if
I
was.
I
know
it's
a
comment,
but
I
don't
know
if
you
just
want
to
prove
yourself
that,
because
I
feel
that
I
wish
I
would
answer
the
question
to
his
best
of
his
ability.
I
Just
before
we
go
forward
to
see
whether
anybody's
prepared
to
support
the
motion,
that's
in
front
of
you,
which
is
to
prove
the
application
just
to
make
it
absolutely
clear
to
members-
and
I
hope
I
captured
everything,
but
there
was
an
additional
condition
about
the
mitigation
post
occupation,
if
necessary
in
terms
of
the
highway
works.
I
Service
management
gets
to
be
sent
back
from
the
access
levels,
construction
hours
and
then
one
other
issue
which
we
will
try
to
take
forward,
but
I
think
it's
somewhat
dependent
upon
the
levels
and
the
construction
of
the
new
path
of
brewery
rise
is
the
impact
upon
that
tree
now.
I
I
know
members
don't
like
to
hear
this,
but
I'm
I've
got
a
feeling
that
darren
might
be
able
to
answer
this
question
for
me,
but
really
there
is
a
pressure
in
terms
of
a
decision
today,
so
that
these
works
can
be
carried
out
for
september.
Is
that
correct
yeah?
So,
what's
in
front
of
you
what's
in
front
of?
You
is
obviously
the
substantive
motion
which
is
to
approve
subject
to
these
conditions.
I
I
A
A
T
Thank
you
chair.
I
think
that
it's
fair
to
say
this
application's
a
bit
more
straightforward,
hopefully,
and
certainly
from
a
highways
perspective.
T
So
there's
there's
two
actua
there's
two
applications
before
you
today:
one's
for
the
planning,
application
and
one's
for
the
associated
listed
building.
It
relates
to
hunslet
mills
that
members
had
a
look
at
this
morning
and
it's
essentially
the
proposed
change
of
what
was
originally
intended
to
be
a
retail
space
into
five
flats.
T
So
that's
the
the
site
identified
there
and
the
the
units
themselves
are
on
the
corner
really
of
atkinson
street
and
goodman
street.
T
And
just
just
it's
part
of
a
wider
redevelopment
of
the
the
sort
of
listed
mill
complex
and
that
you
can
see
in
front
of
you
there.
So
the
red
brick
one
is
is
obviously
one
of
the
historic
buildings
that's
been
converted
to
flats
and
the
new
building
block
b,
which
is
the
subject
site
and
you
can
just
see
in
the
distance.
T
That's
a
brand
new
block
and
you
can
just
make
out
the
the
retail
space
provided
on
the
ground
floor
and
there's
just
an
image.
So
you
can
see.
There's
the
car
park
already
laid
out
to
the
front
and
the
white
panels
are
hiding
essentially
existing
openings
that
were
proposed
as
part
of
the
retail
unit.
T
But
they
would
need
to
be
reconfigured
to
provide
access
to
the
flats
and
there
would
essentially
be
four
entrances
to
the
flats
provided
along
that
elevation
and
would
include
you
can
just
pick
out
that
there's
actually
a
raised
finish
floor
level
due
to
the
area
being
in
a
flood
risk.
T
T
So
that's
not
been
built
as
yet,
but
you
can
see
the
spaces
is,
is
clearly
there
and
the
flats
above
I
think
most
of
them
are
already
occupied
and
in
terms
of
works
elsewhere
on
the
site.
T
And
this
is
just
to
show
we
didn't
see
this
elevation
on
the
site
visit,
but
this
is
just
down
the
side
of
goodman
street
so
again,
just
some
existing
openings
that
just
need
to
be
slightly
reconfigured
for
the
flat
access,
and
so
that's
where
one
of
the
the
flats
would
be
accessed.
The
other
four
would
be
from
the
front.
T
T
And
this
is
the
proposed
layout,
so
five
flats
there's
four
one
bedrooms
and
one
two-bedroomed:
they
do
comply
with
the
council's
minimum
space
standards.
T
And
you'll
pick
up
from
the
report:
there
were
originally
seven
flats
proposed,
but
they've
been
negotiated
down
in
order
to
provide
a
an
appropriate
living
environment.
So
these
are
the
proposed
elevations.
So
it's
just
this
one
on
the
bottom,
so
you
can
just
see
how
that
area
gets
reconfigured
with
the
four
doors.
T
And
this
is
the
side,
so
this
is
the
only
access
and
that
wouldn't
be
level.
So
just
some
steps
up
there
and
the
reason
there
isn't
a
ramp.
There
is
because
there's
not
enough
space
available
to
put
a
ramp
in
and
still
stay
clear
of,
the
public
highway.
T
And
this
really
just
picks
out
the
parking
areas.
So,
although
it's
laid
out
as
a
car
park
already-
and
it
would
need
to
be
marked
out
again
because
the
the
five
flats
would
each
have
a
parking
space
but
because
they'd
also
have
electric
vehicle
charging
points,
they're
slightly
wider
bays,
so
both
the
electric
vehicles
charging
points
need
to
go
in
and
the
bay
is
slightly
adjusted.
T
T
So
the
the
the
substantive
concern
that's
been
raised
by
pretty
much
everyone
in
the
representations,
including
by
councillor
ray,
and
there
are
speakers
on.
The
proposal-
relate
to
the
loss
of
essentially
a
retail
facility
on
the
basis
that
well
loss
of
the
the
ability
to
provide
one
shall
we
say
and
in
particular
the
concern
being
that
there's
really
not
much
provision
in
the
area.
T
So
what
what
I
have
done
is
just
set
out
the
application
site
in
context
and
and
shown
where
the
nearest
units
are
essentially.
So
you
can.
You
can
pick
out
there
there's
the
spar
in
the
londos
they're,
both
facilities
associated
with
petrol,
filling
station
they're,
both
24
hours,
but
then
you've
got
the
tesco
at
the
leeds
dock,
which
is
tesco
express
of
a
reasonable
size
and
then
you've
got
more
traditional
provision
in
the
form
of
the
big
morrisons.
That's
part
of
the
hunslet
town
center
and
there's
also
a
little
there
and
just
identified
costco.
T
I
know
it's
not
necessarily
something
that
everybody
would
would
go
to,
and
I
think
you
do
need
to
be
a
member,
but
it's
obviously
not
far
away
and
a
big,
a
big
outfit
in
terms
of
the
offer
just
to
help,
probably
in
terms
of
the
objectives
to
point
out
the
reference
that's
made
in
the
report
about
the
adjacent
development,
the
miller
homes,
one
that's
this
site
here,
the
miller
homes,
one
often
called
yarn
street-
and
you
can
see
from
the
report.
T
There
was
again
sort
of
some
commercial
units
proposed
as
part
of
that
permission
originally,
and
they
were
actually
over
here
and
they
were
allowed
to
be
converted
into
flats
in
2013.
T
And
that's
really
just
to
highlight
the
kind
of
offer
that
there
is
so,
I
think
essentially
the
londous
is
probably
the
smallest.
The
spa
is
a
bit
bigger.
Those
two
particular
units
are
pretty
much
the
same
distance
away
from
the
application
site.
It's
less
than
a
ten
minute
walk,
but
you
can
just
pick
out
the
tesco
express
and
the
big
morrisons.
T
I
I
completely
understand
the
concerns
that
have
been
raised
regarding
the
loss
of
the
or
the
the
intention
not
to
provide
the
retail
facility,
shall
I
say,
as
opposed
to
a
direct
loss,
and
I
think
fundamentally
what
and
it's
set
out
in
the
report-
the
issue
we
have
in
hand
that
it's
a
it's
an
allocated
housing
site,
so
the
provision
of
some
more
flats
on
the
site
is
is
obviously
in
accordance
with
that
allocation.
T
So
essentially
it's
to
help
secure
the
long-term
future
of
the
listed
buildings,
as
members
will
have
seen
on
site,
that's
already
been
achieved
or
is
actively
being
achieved
in
terms
of
the
flat
conversions
currently
have
taken
place,
so
there's
no
policy
requirement
to
essentially
retain
that
retail
use.
So
that's
the
that's
the
proposal
in
front
of
members
and
you
can
see
from
the
listed
building
application
that
essentially
the
alterations
proposed,
are
so
minor
that
they
don't
really
have
any
adverse
impact
on
the
setting.
A
N
Hi
everybody
yeah,
I'm
a
resident
of
h2010.
I've
got
a
young
family
there.
We
were
sold
by
miller
holmes,
the
shopping
facilities
there
and
that
got
taken
away
from
us
and
then
jm
construction
also
promised
that
as
well
and
that
got
taken
away
from
us.
It's
really
important
for
me
for
my
family
to
kind
of
have
that
as
an
outlet
for
my
kids
to
be
able
to
walk
to
the
shops.
N
You
know
because
otherwise
we're
just
stuck
on
like
an
island
masses
of
roads
around
it
and
they
kind
of
the
shops
they're
on
the
plan.
They're
they're
too
far
away
from
my
children,
it's
like
across
the
groves
and
stuff
like
that,
so
that
you're
taking
away
that
sense
of
community
as
well
from
a
shop.
There
was
a
cafe
on
the
site
and
that's
now
that's
not
being
replaced.
It's
gone
up,
so
you
can't
sort
of
there's
no
sort
of
sense
of
being
able
to
walk
across
the
states
or
anywhere
to
meet
anybody.
N
It's
kind
of
that
that
element
has
gone.
There's!
No,
you
know
you
when
I,
when
the
lockdown
happened.
When
I
was
in
working
from
home,
I
could
walk
across
the
state
to
the
cafe
and
chat
to
people
make
friendships
a
sense
of
community
got
built,
find
out.
N
Who's
got
kids
that
kind
of
those
kind
of
things
by
taking
away
this
ability
for
a
shop
you're,
removing
that
you're
moving
that
chance
for
my
children
to
kind
of
meet
other
children
for
them
to
go
and
buy
me
a
paper
on
a
saturday
morning,
for
example
very
important
yeah,
and
it
just
feels
like
we're
being
sort
of
you
know,
cheated
really
out
of
that
opportunity.
N
The
other
thing
the
shops
that
are
around
all
would
that
so
you've
pointed
out
all
would
really
require
a
car
journey.
I
mean
I've
lived
there
for
10
years
and
it's
just
they're
just
not
practical
to
get
to
because
of
the
kind
of
road
the
road
set
up
around
us.
It's.
You
know
it's
kind
of
like
the
old
spaghetti
junction
in
birmingham
or
something
like
that
around
us.
So
you
know
we
need
that.
What
we're
trying
to
do
surely
is,
with
the
climate
emergencies,
reduce
the
amount
of
short
car
journeys.
N
Short
car
journeys
are
the
ones
that
are
the
worst
ones.
You
know,
if
you,
if
you
drive
for
five
minutes,
your
car's
warming
up
it
kind
of
generates
more
pollution,
it's
more
pollution
coming
to
the
person
and
this
by
putting
a
corner
shop
there
you're
alleviating
that
people
who
walk
their
dogs
on
this
steak
and
go
and
pick
up.
N
You
know
dog
food
if
it's
that
traffic,
if
that
light
bulb,
goes
off
in
the
head
and
you
know
they
can
get,
they
can
also
ship
in
you
know
using
the
van
they
can
get
the
goods
from
m
s
or
whatever
it
is,
and
then
having
a
corner
shop
there
you're
gonna,
remove
the
need
for
a
second
car.
That's
the
thing
it's
going
to
take
that
element
away
from
people.
N
It
is
really
a
big
part
of
the
climate
emergency,
a
big
part
of
sustainability
as
well-
and
it's
really
disappointing
for
me
that
the
kind
of
development
has
won
the
sustainable
awards
for
conveying
like
the
property
you
know
from
from
a
greater
listed
building
into
and
but
not
doing
anything
long
term.
There's
no
kind
of
I
mean
there's
spent
ages
using
this
spray
along
the
walls
to
clean
all
the
bricks,
but
basically
that's
going
to
get
sorted
up
again
by
the
amount
of
cars
that
we're
putting
on
the
roads.
You're.
N
N
And
I
yeah
the
other
thing
apart
from
the
so
the
cardigan
is
that
sense
of
community.
Where
that,
where
that
shop
would
have
been,
was
on
a
corner,
it
would
have
been
a
point
where
people
from
the
community
meet
instead
of
being
on.
Like
a
facebook
group-
and
you
know
it's
it's-
it's
really
good
to
have
that.
N
You
know
to
get
to
meet
people
face
to
face,
because,
when
you're
walking
across
the
state,
you
kind
of
get
chat
to
people
and
that's
why
that's
what
I've
done
and
having
that
shop,
where
you
know
people
might
be
able
to
work
there
from
this
state.
It
just
feels
like
a
real
loss.
It
just
feels
like
what
you're
doing
is
you're
isolating
this,
this
sort
of
community
and
you're
not
giving
it
a
center.
It
just
feels
like
a
you
know,
it's
left
like
that
and.
N
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think,
it's
the
subtle
change
in
the
behavior
that
you
could
influence
by
having
a
shot
there
by
taking
the
the
need
for
people
to
have
a
second
car
and
yeah.
That's
that's
my
key
thing
and
then
you,
you
know
that's
my
point.
Basically
neil
his
point
was,
let's
check
sorry
quickly
on
neil
neil's
point
was
basically
all
about
the
second.
You
know
the
short
card
journeys,
removing
that
from
the
equation.
A
Thank
you
steven,
for
that,
are
there
any
questions
to
stephen.
L
Thank
you
chair.
You
mentioned
the
cafe
and
I
can
fully
understand
why
it's
great
to
have
a
a
cafe
and
a
focus
to
an
area,
but
but
you
said
it
in
the
past
tense.
It
hasn't.
N
I
mean
what
what
I
was
doing
when
I
was
working
from
home,
I'd,
be
walking
across
the
state
and
get
chatting
to
people
and
go
and
buy
a
coffee
in
the
morning,
and
it's
that
sense
of
you
know:
you're
not
going
office
space
anymore,
so
that
you're
kind
of
desperate
for
sort
of
like
some
sort
of
people
to
talk
to-
and
you
know
ironically
I'd-
be
talking
to
the
builders
from
the
from
the
mill
in
the
cafe
about
what
was
going
on.
N
No,
no,
it
was
no.
The
cafe
got
basically
diddled
by
the
accountant.
Last
year
the
cafe
was
absolutely
rammed
all
the
time
and
it
was
a
raven
business
brilliant.
So
he
had
a
real,
but
unfortunately
he
got
the
accountant
disappeared.
So.
G
I
would
just
add
to
that
one
of
the
other
issues
for
the
park
cafe
was
not
wasn't
just
that
it
was
actually.
There
was
such
significant
parking
issues
there
in
terms
of
the
the
actual
development,
has
significantly
more
people
with
cars
and
is
actually
able
to
sustain
from
both
estates
already.
So,
even
with
the
marginal
increase
of
a
number
of
small
parking
spaces,
we're
actually
in
the
middle
of
putting
traffic
regulation,
orders
on
goodman
street
and
power
that
was
actually
to
give
them
parking
bays
for
the
cafe.
G
L
Got
a
secondary
question
as
well:
the
offices
have
been
very
good
at
putting
where
you
can
go
and
buy
food.
How
far
away
do
you
have
to
give
things
like
hairdressers,
and
you
know
other
retail
outlets.
L
And
just
because
there
is
more
to
retail
than
just
the
corner
shop.
You
know,
as
you
said,
there's
a
cafe.
There's
hairdressers,
nails.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
things
at
the
moment.
So
so
is
that
local
already?
How
far
away
do
you
have
to
go
for
that
sort
of
thing.
G
If
I
can
speak
because
I
I
think
would
just
help
so
at
the
hunslet
center
there
are
hairdressers,
etcetera
and
all
that
that's
they
are
where
they
are.
I
think
the
main
objection
in
terms
of
the
retail
is
actually
for.
If
you
will
the
quick
shop,
you
have
to
go
over
substant
a
number
of
substantial
major
roads
and
I
don't
think
the
officers
have
actually
paid
real
kind
of
detail.
National
road
is
an
industrial
road.
It
has
significant
heavy
industrial
traffic.
G
I've
been
spending
the
last
three
years,
trying
to
get
a
pedestrian
crossing
across
it
and
only
just
missing
out
on
the
necessary
scoring
to
get
a
pedestrian
crossing
across
it,
and
their
argument
to
be
has
been
is
once
the
other
developments
being
done.
We
can
justify,
because
we
know
there'll
be
enough
people
there
to
justify
it.
There's
a
major
set
of
school
hubs.
We've
got
about
four
primary
schools
about
10
15
minutes.
Walkway
people
have
to
go
across
substantial
major
roads
to
get
to
these
access
points,
and
you
know
I.
G
I
would
maybe
suggest
that
members
ask
officers
if
they've
done
an
equality
impact
assessment,
as
required
by
the
equalities
act,
to
actually
to
assess
whether
or
not
actually,
the
proposal
to
change
this
will
detrimentally
impact
people's
protected
characteristics,
because
actually,
what
you're
effectively
making
is
almost
a
car
exclusive
estate,
because
actually,
if
you
do
have
mobility
issues,
you're
gonna
have
to
go
across
multiple
busy
roads
to
get
there
etc.
So
it's
not
as
straightforward
as
just
yes.
There
might
not
be
a
unit
there
now,
but
once
that
option
is
gone,
it's
gone.
E
Thank
you
chair.
I
know
the
area
quite
well
steve,
it's
steve,
isn't
it
can.
I
ask:
why
do
you
shopping
at
the
minute.
N
And
so
now
what
I
do
is
I
go.
I
use
the
top
and
I
I
take
my
kids
down
the
canal.
We
go
straight
into
the
market
and
we
fill
up
the
cargo
bike
with
food
or
we
used
to
use
junk
food
projects
further
down
the
river
and
stuff
like
that.
So
in
terms
of
yeah,
we've
developed
a
different
way
of
doing
things
you
know
by
using
using.
What's
you
know,
what's
around,
that's
emma
kisses
school
on
it,
so
you
might
have
bumped
into
me
on
that
as
well.
N
Well,
I've
been
very
fortunate
in
that
one
of
the
one
of
the
neighbors
is
also
going
to
buy
one
as
well.
So
it's
kind
of
it's
got
getting
to
that
point
where
it's
becoming
a
tipping
point
where
hopefully
more
and
more
people
will
buy
them,
and
you
know
it
will
kind
of
I've
lived
on
that
state
for
11
years
now,
yeah,
so
yeah,
it's
a
it's
yeah.
We
survived
the
flood
in
2015,
which
was
interesting
when
it
became
an
island
briefly
and.
N
I
have
yeah
because
I've
got
a
bike,
but
I
think
what
I'm
suggesting
is
that
that,
basically,
that
other
people
have
not
have
not
got
the
same,
I
think
more
people,
perhaps
lazier
and
with
the
need
to
need
that
sort
of
ability
to
have
that
that
shop
I
mean
you
know
why.
Why
was
this
shop
suggested
on
the
original
estate?
To
do
that?
You
know
if
I'm,
the
only
person
on
the
I'm
the
only
person
on
that
estate
with
a
cargo
bike.
Do
I
mean
that
does
that
every
house
score
car
or
two
cars?
N
If
you
ride
around
the
estate
in
the
morning,
you
think
oh
well,
pre-covered,
you
think
everybody
was
still
at
home.
You
know
because,
but
basically
there's
so
many
cars
on
that
estate
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
remove
that
second
car.
So
you
don't
have
you
don't
need
a
second
car?
You
know
we
want
to
make
it
more
environmentally
friendly.
A
E
Yeah
just
two
quick
things:
it
says
that
you
have
the
parking
spaces
you
have
to
pay
for
is
that
is
that
correct.
G
Victoria
riverside
that
particular
development-
yes,
you
do
have
to
pay
for
your
parking
spaces
and
the
cost
is
actually
rather
significant,
so
it's
putting
significant
pressure
on
the
local
road
network
at
the
moment.
Hence
why
we're
having
to
put
traffic
regulation
orders
in.
A
J
N
Well,
yeah,
because
you
know
you
what
we
hoped
was
when
you
know
when
the
big
mill
development
opened
and
there's.
I
think
this
is
there
about
six
in
a
capacity
for
about
600
people,
so
we
we
naturally
assumed
that
that
was
going
to
be
an
obvious,
an
obvious
win
for
the
developer
to
put
a
shop
in
there
I
mean
it
seemed
like
you
know
not
not
only
from
my
environmental
perspective
but
from
you
know,
it'd,
be
such
an
easy
sell.
That's
what
we
thought
so.
G
I
can,
if
I,
if
I
can
just
add
as
well
developers,
don't
offer
something
if
they
don't
think
it's
necessary
to
meet
get
planning
permission,
as
we
all
know,
they're
not
going
to
offer
a
retail
unit
if
they
don't
think
it's
needed
to
get
past
the
door
on
planning
permission.
G
So
they've
offered
the
retail
unit
because
they
thought
that
was
the
only
way
to
get
their
planning
permission
on
site
and
this
developer
is
now
deciding
because
it
doesn't
feel
it
can
get
a
tenant
at
the
market
rate.
It
wants
that.
Actually
it
will
sacrifice
it
for
a
quicker
return,
profit
on
flats,
but,
let's
remember
developers,
do
not
offer
things
if
they
do
not
feel
they
need
it
to
satisfy
planning
conditions.
A
E
So
was
it
the
condition
of
the
original
proposal
that
there
should
be
a
retail
unit.
G
No,
they
offered
it
themselves
to
try
and
make
sure
they
could
get
time
efficient
and
I
think,
as
we
all
know,
developers
will
sometimes
offer
things
in
advance,
so
it
doesn't
have
to
become
conditioned
to
get
it
past
the
door.
So
no,
it
wasn't
conditioned,
but
it
was
offered
to
make
it
palatable
to
the
planning
committee
at
the
time
to
pass
the
application.
N
Can
I
just
write
something
else
when,
when
it
was
before
this
discussion
took
place,
the
actual
developers
stuck
posters
outside
where
the
flats
were
going
to
be
you
know,
cynically
sort
of
promoting
additional
flats
were
going
to
be
on
there
and
then
they
had
to
take
them
down
again,
so
they
kind
of
like
you
know,
without
kind
of
like
any.
You
know
consultation.
Really.
They
just
basically
decided
that
we're
going
to
turn
this.
You
know
into
flats
instead.
A
And
steve
the
apartments
you
bought
it
with
the
intention
of
a
shop
below,
but
they
have
been
occupied
over
two
three
years
now
into
my
right
in
thinking
that.
N
Well,
the
what's
happening
is
it's
been
a
three-phrase
development,
so
they
started
off
with
like
about
100
flats
in
one
phase
and
then
it's
second,
the
second
phase,
which
is
now
now
being
populated
and
now
there's
a
final
phase.
So
there
isn't
the
kind
of
like
population
within
there
at
the
minute.
It's
it's
still.
It's
still
ongoing.
A
I
L
Collins-
my
apologies,
I
I
don't
know
the
area
well
at
all,
although
don't
go
to
costco
quite
regularly.
I'm
just
looking
at
google.
L
L
L
So
if
you
go
from
the
red
dot
over
to
the
left
across
that
big
road,
there's
like
a
gray,
a
brownie
gray,
patchy
area
to
the
left
to
the
left
to
the
left
to
the
left.
So
that's
there.
G
A
massive
massive
development
which
is
about
to
have
a
school
and
a
retirement
home,
significant
number
of
homes
and
actually
retail
and
office
space.
L
G
Would
I
would
argue,
counsellor
that
actually
it's
viable
now
bearing
minus
in
the
center
of
a
not
so
unsubstantial
industrial
estate,
there's
270
homes
to
one
side,
there's
going
to
be
a
thing,
just
short,
400
flats
to
one
side,
there's
the
situ
development.
G
The
reason
why
they
had
to
take
adverts
down
is
because
they
put
in
their
application
to
turn
this
to
seven
flats.
I
found
out
about
it.
They
put
the
signs
up
straight
away.
Thinking
was
going
to
be
a
walk
in
the
park
and
I
had
to
get
planning
enforcement
to
take
them
down
because
they
hadn't
had
planning
application
a
permission.
Yet.
L
G
G
It
has
what
I
would
deem
to
be
subpar
crossing
requirements
for
the
moment
for
the
number
of
people
that
are
going
to
be
living
and
working
in
that
area
and,
as
I
said,
I've
been
trying
for
the
last
three
years
to
get
a
pedestrian
crossing
across
navigation
road,
which
is
a
highly
highly
volume
industrial
road.
I
E
E
E
I
was
told
today
by
a
very
knowledgeable
colleague
the
numbers
of
people
that
needed
to
make
a
shop
viable
and
the
numbers
flats
and
potential
residents,
and
I
know
it's
opposite-
the
bus
garage,
but
drivers
already
use
shops
on
front,
but
there
and
don't
meet
those
numbers
that
are
told.
So
perhaps
a
retail
shop
just
is
not
viable
in
terms
of
making
enough
money
to
make
it
sustainable.
N
Is
that,
and
I
I
don't
basically
it's
not
that
question
is
it.
The
question
is
whether
the
developers
have
actually
kind
of
you
know
have
actually
kind
of
pitched
the
pitch
to
the
shop
at
a
market
rate
or
whether
they've
actually
clocked
in
their
heads.
We
can
make
more
money
from
selling
seven
flats
five
flats
I
mean
they
have
they
have
put
in
in
different
developments.
They
have
putting
in
bradford
they
put
in
a
coffee
shop
in
a
smaller
development.
N
G
And-
and
I
will
just
just
update
council
burke-
it's
not
just
about
the
residents-
it's
about
the
significant
footfall
on
that
incredibly
busy,
east-west
towpath,
which
is
used
for
recreation.
It's
about
the
substantial
industrial
state.
That's
around
it!
It's
about
the
developments
that
are
going
around
it
and
just
from
an
accessibility
point
of
view.
G
What
we're
basically
saying
is:
either
you
have
to
be
relatively
able
fit
to
get
to
tesco,
which
is
a
10
minute
to
15
minute,
walk
depe,
even
for
sort
of
of
a
reasonable
ability,
or
you
have
to
cross
several
major
roads
to
get
to
a
reasonable
shop
or
you
have
to
order
in
food,
and
what
I
would
maybe
suggest
is
bearing
in
mind
not
too
recently.
This
was
lauded
as
a
great
15-minute
neighborhood
by
the
council
in
terms
of
its
planning
regime,
and
things
like
that.
G
It
would
probably
suggest
that
the
council
thought
it
was
a
good
one,
because
there
was
the
ambition
or
understanding
that
a
retail
shop
was
going
to
go
in
to
make
it
a
sustainable
neighborhood.
I
would
argue
that,
actually,
in
the
current
state
it
is,
it
is
not
a
sustainable
neighborhood.
A
K
Can
I
just
ask,
I
suppose,
a
technical
question
and
and
a
general
one
I'll
start
with
the
general
one?
The
comment
that's
come
from
the
residents
is
basically
that
their
view
is
that
the
the
company
who
owns
the
site
are
not
making
a
serious
attempt
to
market.
K
This
is
a
commercial
for
a
commercial
use.
K
T
The
the
issue
of
marketing
and
what's
taken
place
has
been
taken
up
with
the
applicant.
I've
highlighted
it
in
the
report,
but
essentially
they
do
face
value
from
from,
what's
been
submitted,
appear
to
have
employed
the
services
of
a
of
an
estate
agent,
they've,
there's
documentation
relating
to
the
marketing
leaflet.
That's
the
sort
of
thing
that
would
go
on
website
and
then
there's
a
covering
letter
from
the
estate
agent,
essentially
concluding
that
over
a
two
year
period.
K
On
on
on
32,
which
I
assume
is
the
original
there
there's
a
an
entrance,
some
steps,
a
tank
room
and
what
looks
like
a
bin
store,
which
I
suppose,
I'm
asking
where
that's
gone,
on
the
new
apple
on
the
new
drawing
which
is
page
33.,
and
also
it
appears
that,
at
the
back
of
this
block,
where
we've
got
the
lift
and
various
other
buildings
which
are
not
shown
when
the
lift
is
shown,
but
the
other
buildings
are
not
shown
on
the
on
the
33
drawing.
K
K
K
T
Sorry,
just
just
to
clarify
so
is
the
query
about
so
this
was
the
bin
store
originally
proposed
for
the
retail
that
goes
completely
under
the
new
proposal,
because
there's
essentially
a
bin
store
here
serving
the
flats,
I
guess
above
and
also
to
the
side
in
the
in
the
converted,
listed
building.
T
So
the
questions
being
asked
about,
obviously
for
the
the
additional
flats
there's
a
requirement
for
the
cycles
parking
and
said
to
them.
It
looks
like
it's
quite
limited.
The
cycle
provision
already.
So
that's
why.
T
That's
why
here
it's
identified
as
an
internal
cycle
store
for
the
new
flats
in
terms
of
bins,
they
haven't
they're,
not
proposing
additional
bin
storage,
and
I
the
assumption
and
as
a
condition
to
ensure
this
actually
takes
place.
Is
that
essentially,
if
the
existing
provision
isn't
deemed
to
be
adequate
and
there's
overflowing
issues,
for
example,
from
the
bin
stores
that
are
already
there,
then
there'd
be
an
expectation
that
deliveries
are
increa.
T
T
There's
obviously
facilities
available
and
the
the
purpose
of
the
condition
would
be
to
make
sure
that,
ultimately,
that
refuge
is
only
stored
in
the
appropriate
areas.
So
if
those
appropriate
areas
are
getting
filled
too
much
and
they're
overflowing,
then
they
would
have
to
adjust
their
collections
as
required.
I
L
Yes,
but
that
comes
back
to
councillor
campbell's
question,
so
therefore
you're
saying
it's
a
private
contractor
that
empties
them,
which
they
would
do
if
they
were
commercial
bins,
but
if
they're
domestic
bins
it'll
be
down
to
us,
so
we
couldn't
increase
the
number
of
times
we
emptied
the
bins.
It
would
still
be
once
a
fortnight.
T
The
the
the
condition
would
secure
the
appropriate
details
to
ensure
that
provisions
are
in
place.
So,
if
the
answer
is
is
that
comes
back
is
we're
looking
to
the
developers
only
intending
the
council
to
undertake
collections,
then
we'll
obviously
flag
that
as
an
issue
and
that
they
need
to
have
additional
provision
in
place.
A
C
Thank
you,
I
think,
council,
our
age
is
confirmed,
it's
it's,
the
council.
We
have,
we
do
have
as
part
of
our
highways.
We
do
have
a
condition
what
the
details
of
waste
collection
provision
and
if
there
is
a
an
issue
that
bins
are
not
enough,
then
new
bins
will
be
the
can
be
ordered
and
we
there's
a
bin
deliveries
team
and
we
can
secure
an
additional
informative
within
the
decision
notice
that
the
applicant
needs
to
cut
needs
to
agree
the
number
of
pins
and
the
requirement
with
the
with
our
bin
deliveries.
A
L
Just
going
back
to
the
bins
then
so
at
the
moment
I
can't
see
where
they
go
well.
How
many
flats
have
we
got
here?
One
two,
three:
four:
five:
six:
was
it
seven
five?
So
so
we
need
ten
bins.
Where
are
they
going
to
put
those
ten
bins
on
the
original
application?
It
showed
them
where
the
commercial
bins
were
going
to
go,
but
that
commercial
bin
space
now
has
been
used
with
part
of
the
flat.
So
the
ten
bins
for
these
new
fly
flats
are
not
going
there.
L
So
the
question
is:
where
are
they
going
so,
whether
well
it
does
it
doesn't
really
matter
as
long
as
we
know
where
they're
going
to
go
they're
not
telling
us
where
those
10
bins
are
going
to
go.
So
so
that's
that's
my
supplementary
question.
My
key
question
was:
where
do
we
actually
stand
with
permitted
development,
because
if
these
actually
are
re
turned
into
retail
units
six
months
down
the
line,
if
they're
not
occupied,
would
they
automatically
be
able
to
develop
them
into
flats
which
way
round?
Is
it
with
permitted
development?
Please.
T
Committed
development
rights
would
apply
if
the
uses
is
up
and
running
so
yeah.
There
would
be
the
option
potentially
to
convert
them
at
a
later
date.
L
O
I
The
purpose
of
the
condition
is
to
ensure
that
if
the
frequency
of
bin
collection
to
avoid
overflowing
happening
is
to
make
sure
that
that
frequency
is
increased,
whether
it's
a
council
operator
who
sometimes
do
have
commercial
contracts
to
actually
do
this,
because,
as
councillor
reyes
just
pointed
out
that
obviously
operating
down
there
at
the
moment
or
whether
it's
actually
a
commercial,
a
private
company
doing
it,
the
point
is
whoever's
doing
it.
The
the
condition
is
actually
on
the
owner's
stroke
operators
of
the
property
to
make
sure
the
correct
frequency
is
secured.
I
F
Right,
so
what
I
gathered
from
this
application
is
that
the
unit
was
for
shops,
however
they're
unable
to
get
anyone
to
take
up
the
the
provision
for
a
convenience
shop.
So
therefore
they're
asking
to
turn
the
unit
into
five
flats.
F
Right
when
the
application,
if
I'm
going
back,
if
I
can
remember,
came
first
of
all
for
flats
that
that
wasn't
a
condition
that
they
have
to
have
a
shop,
they
suggested
that
they
would
try
and
get
someone
to
take
a
shop
unit
on
there.
So
that
hasn't
happened
in
two
years.
F
So
we
can't
really
say
give
them
another
two
years
to
try
and
get
someone
the
application
before
us
is
to
say
yay
or
nay.
Thank
you.
L
I'm
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
visit
the
site.
I
think
it
would
have
been
a
lot
easier
if
I'd
had
the
time
this
morning
to
do
that,
but
I
think
the
applicant
is
actually
probably
being
a
bit
premature
in
turning
these
potential
retail
units
into
flats,
especially
if
there
is
further
development
just
around
the
corner.
That
would
certainly
benefit
from
retail
units.
I
think
they're
also
being
a
bit
selfish,
maybe
that
they
want
to
convert
all
of
them
into
flats.
L
We've
got
a
development
in
horswood,
that's
about
400
homes
and
we've
got
two
shops.
One
of
them
is
a
little
convenience
store
where
you
can
get
your
beer
from
as
well
and
the
other
one
is
your
bakers
and
the
bakers
also
does
a
coffee
and
they
both
do
really
well.
So
sometimes
it
is
finding
the
right
people
to
run
these
shops,
but
they
can
actually
work
so
so
I
don't
think
I'll
be
supporting.
L
What
are
we
actually?
Is
it
actually
voting
for
or
against
this?
I
can't
remember
now
this
change
of
use
today,
but
I
would
just
like
to
warn
the
residents
in
the
area
through
permitted
development.
L
It
may
be
that
we
we
lose
this
and
they
can
do
whatever
they
want,
but
I
think
we've
got
to
push
them
to
at
least
try
the
retail
aspect.
If
we
can.
A
Counselor
milton
have
just
stated
the
comments
that
and
the
officers,
I
think,
he's
got
proof
that
they
have
tried
over
two
years
and
concert
hamilton
says
the
difference
is
we
cannot
give
another
two
years
or
maybe
a
year
for
them
to
try
it's
not
guaranteed
that
they
will
and
as
long
I'm
quite
broad-minded,
because
it's
proof
that
they
have
tried
and
they
haven't
succeeded.
So
obviously,
instead
of
having
an
empty
building
put
there
he's
utilizing
it
the
way
he
feels
as
she
feels
best
yeah
councillor
campbell.
K
I
think
we're
in
between
a
rock
and
our
place
happened
because
we'd
like
there
to
be
some
sort
of
small-scale
retail
development
or
cafe
or
a
bakery
down
there
and
we
we
might
actually
say
no.
We
won't
agree
to
this
and
you
know
we
think
you
ought
to
try
again,
but
the
bottom
line
is
if
they
then
say
well
in
that
case,
we'll
appeal
and
we've
got
a
effectively
a
lake
to
stand
on,
and
it
looks
to
me
very
difficult
to
argue
that
we
we
we're
being
reasonable
in
saying
to
the
developer.
K
You
can't
do
that
if
they
can
provide
evidence
which
apparently
they
can,
because
officers
have
seen
it
that
they've
made
every
effort
to
market
these
and
it's
not
possible,
then
it
would
seem
to
me
we
cannot
whatever
we
want
might
want.
We
can't
say
no,
because
they
get
it
on
an
appeal
and
it
just.
K
If
we
did,
that
will
be
different,
we
don't
have
a
policy.
We
can
hang
on
this
on
now.
There's
a
case
I
think
for
make
for
council
developing
a
policy.
K
But
at
the
moment
that's
that's
not
happening.
So
I
I
appreciate
what
the
residents
are
saying,
but
I'm
not
sure
what
we
can
do.
I
Just
going
to
say,
councillor
campbell
summed
it
up
quite
eloquently.
I
did
allude
to
david
adamson,
a
question
about
the
connection
between
the
provision
of
a
shop
and
the
original
permissions
and
the
other
permission,
and
actually
there
isn't
one.
So
the
approval
of
this
wasn't
conditional
on
the
provision
of
of
a
retail
unit.
So
that's
a
starting
point,
then.
I
So
so
the
council,
or
we
collectively
accepted
it,
I
suppose,
almost
as
a
gift
from
the
applicant
to
try
and
bring
forward
if
it
could
be,
but
ultimately
they've
come
back
and
said
it's
not
viable,
but
that
then
leaves
us
in
the
situation
which
david
did
mention,
which
is
the
policy
situation
in
terms
of
it
actually
being
washed
over
effectively
for
residential.
So,
as
council
campbell
says,
rocking
a
hard
place,
lots
of
sympathy,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
we
were
to
try
and
refuse
this
application,
actually
we
went
to
appeal.
L
Close
look
collins,
but
we
have
been
talking
for
a
while
now
about
20
minute
neighborhoods
and
this
neighborhood
doesn't
seem
to
have
any
facilities
at
all:
we're
giving
developers
permission
to
put
more
and
more
houses
and
homes
in
here
and
not
holding
them
to
the
account
with
regards
to
what
that
sustainable
neighborhood
needs.
So
can
we
not
argue
on
those
grounds
and
that
it
is
not
acceptable
for
the
all
of
these
retail
units
to
go
to
flats.
E
What
the
key
considerations
were
for
the
the
lpa
at
that
time
and
why
it
wasn't
conditioned
or
controlled,
and
we
don't
have
a
policy
that
protects
that
aspect
of
it
now
totally
appreciate
the
aspects
of
20-minute
neighborhoods,
but
that
doesn't
form
part
of
our
policy
basis
on
which
we
could
have
sustainable
grounds
to
refuse
this
on
and
my
view
is,
I
totally
concur
with
the
points
that
counselor
campbell
has
made
it's
it's
entirely
correct
that
if
we
were
to
try
and
seek
to
refuse
this
on
the
points
that
you've
raised
and
sustainability,
the
chances
are
given
the
evidence
that
they've
got
that
the
inspector
won't
accept
our
position
and
potentially
a
cost
award
be
made
against
us
as
well
for
unreasonable
behavior.
I
I
do
apologize
for
talking
behind
the
back
of
the
chair,
but
I
was
just
confirming
with
david,
because
obviously,
when
we
looked
at
the
alternative
provision
as
well,
we
did
make
an
assessment
of
what
we
thought
was
a
reasonable
walking
time
to
those
I've
forgotten
just
off
and
exactly
what
about.
But
I
think
it's
based
on
figures
from
highways.
I
Is
that
correct
in
terms
of
the
how
far
you
could
walk
in
a
certain
period,
and
I
think
that
the
ones
that
we've
identified
maybe
morrison's
is,
is
a
stretch
of
the
20
minutes,
but
certainly
the
other
two
are
within
10
minutes.
L
Every
chair,
but
there's
more
to
a
neighborhood
than
a
small
shop.
You
know,
as
we
said,
there's
hairdressers
you
can
go
and
have
your
nails.
You
can
socialize,
there's
cafes,
you
know,
and
I
think
what
residents
nearby
have
seen
with
this
development
is
that
there's
half
a
dozen
retail
units
there
and
that
could
be
become
a
heart
of
their
community
and
now
that
it's
just
being
stripped
out
and
it's
all
being
stripped
out.
L
A
And
this
application
can
select
collins,
it's
not
nothing
supportive.
I
do
believe
in
neighborwood
activities,
but
what
offices
and
planning
need
to
look
at
in
near
future
is
what's
going
there,
but
we
cannot
base
it
around
this
application,
because
this
application
is
already
more
or
less
granted
and
is
under
table
and
it
cannot
overturn.
So
we
should
ask
for
further
to
look
into
what's
put
in
there,
because
all
neighborhoods
do
need
things
that
you
suggested
we
need.
You
know
active
neighborhood
stephen
highlight
his
children.
They
need
interaction
with
other
local
kids.
A
L
I
Still.
Writing.
Now.
Sorry,
I
mean
the
supernatural
substantive
motion,
that's
in
front
of
you,
because
you've
got
two
applications
here.
Don't
forget,
including
listed
building,
so
you
need
to
vote
on
both
or
consider
both
is
the
granting
plan,
information,
unlisted
building
consent,
so
there's
two
applications
subject
to
the
following
conditions,
but
there
was
also
an
additional
thing:
wasn't
that
was
raised
by
a
harry's
officer
about
an
informative
regarding
how
they
could
get
additional
bins,
but
also
and
dave?
I
You
might
have
captured
this
better
than
I,
because
I
think
I
slightly
missed
this
and
it
was
about
the
regularity
of
the
bin
store
collection.
Was
that
an
additional
condition,
or
was
that
meant
to
be
included
in
condition?
Seven
on
the
on
the
report.
I
Right
so
that
that
point
is
covered
so
effectively,
you've
got
the
application
in
front
of
you
for
the
change
of
views
to
residential
accommodation
to
five
flats
from
what
it
was
previously
granted
permission
for,
which
is.
It
was
retail,
with
an
additional
information
about
informing
the
applicants
about
how
to
secure
additional
bins,
if
required,.
A
Thank
you,
steve
so
basin,
steve's
sum
up.
Can
I
ask
for
a
proposal
and
the
second
counselor
hamilton,
sending
one
to
second.