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A
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
everyone
good
afternoon.
My
name
is
councilor
Eileen,
Taylor
and
I
will
be
chairing.
Today's
meeting
could
I
remind
everyone
that
today's
meeting
is
being
live
stream
and
the
lead
city
council
YouTube
channel,
so
that
the
public
can
observe
the
meetings
without
attending
being
present.
A
Southern
Restaurant
panels
deal
with
applications
from
the
south,
Northwest
and
west
of
the
city.
The
aim
of
the
panel
is
to
hear
all
the
relevant
informations
from
applicants.
Members
of
the
public
and
Council
officers
to
help
members
of
the
panel
made
their
decisions
could
I
now
invite
all
members
to
introduce
themselves
and
after
you
speak,
could
you
please
new?
Tmi
can
I
start
in
my
left.
H
A
Thank
you
Hulk,
because
I
am
welcome.
Councilor
McKenna
to
our
panel
comes.
The
walsher
is
that
Momo
and
the
Palace
of
councilor
McKenna
has
replaced
hamster
walsher.
Also,
could
I
am
thank
all
the
public
who
is
in
the
public
chamber
to
date
for
attending?
Please
I
know
it's
not
something,
but
please
do
enjoy
your
day
with
us
and
welcome.
Thank
you.
N
G
A
All
right,
so
did
you
move
on
to
agenda
of
the
previous
meeting?
Should
we
go
Page
by
Page.
L
A
A
A
A
A
B
Thank
you
chair.
The
application
under
consideration
is
a
reserved
matter
scheme
seeking
to
establish
matters
relating
to
layouts
scale,
appearance
and
Landscaping
early
student
to
previous
outline
content.
B
Sorry,
it's
yeah
the
appropriate
slide
up.
B
This
first
slide
shows
the
site
itself
with
access
taken
via
Moss
Bridge
Road
from
town
streets.
The
site
comprises
a
triangular
piece
of
land,
formerly
Moss,
Bridge
works
and
it's
an
allocated
housing
site
within
the
site
allocations
plan.
B
The
principle
of
development
has
been
accepted
via
the
previously
approved
outline
consent,
which
established
a
principle
of
residential
development
of
up
to
69
dwellings,
plus
the
vehicular
access
with
all
further
matters
reserved
the
canal
and
tour
path.
As
you'll
see
on
this
slide,
Run
2,
with
a
Southwestern
side
of
the
sites
and
with
various
residential
developments
aboots
in
the
canal
and
further
to
the
north.
B
Now
the
next
slide's,
just
an
aerial
view
again
just
to
highlight
the
site
itself.
Rodline
Edge
Reserve,
is
located
to
the
Eastern
section
which
you'll
see
there
it's
accessed
via
the
new
swing
Bridge
through
gated
access
adjacent
to
the
development
site
itself,
I'm
an
access
road
running
down
to
the
bridge
over
the
river
air
to
the
north
of
the
application
site.
Also
rodley
Cricket
Club
is
located
to
the
north
of
the
application
site
served
by
the
current
bridge
and
with
a
cricket
picture
and
Clubhouse
above
which
you
can
see
there
yeah.
B
The
area
in
yellow
is
moss,
Bridge
Road
and
that
will
be
adopted
up
up
to
the
swing
Bridge
itself,
with
a
new
footpath
provided
and
to
one
side
swing.
Bridge
itself
is
not
to
be
adopted
or
maintained
by
the
council,
with
maintenance,
Arrangement
and
management
responsibility
over
to
the
applicant
and
the
developer
of
the
site.
Now
the
access
into
the
development
itself
and
the
internal
highway
is
to
be
built
to
adopt
all
standards
and
the
principle
of
the
access
and,
like
I,
said,
the
arrangements
were
approved.
B
Just
to
give
you
some
further
context,
these
are
recent
pictures
of
the
described
access
arrangements
as
you'll
see
on
the
left.
Moss
Bridge
Road
is
currently
being
completed
and
allows
two
two-way
vehicle
passing
on
there
and
the
central
picture
shows
the
new
swing
bridge
in
situ
and
that's
in
the
closed
position
allowing
vehicle
access
to
and
from
the
development
site
and
the
picture
on
the
right
just
gives
some
further
contest
to
the
bridge
itself,
along
with
a
tour
path
to
the
side
of
that,
obviously,
which
remains
open
for
for
pedestrians,
cyclists,
Etc.
B
The
central
picture
shows
the
turf
path
back
towards
Lee,
City,
Center
and
you'll
know
they
existing
machar
trees
in
that
photo
which
a
feature
of
that
boundary
side
of
the
development
outside
the
existing
Stone
returning
wall,
the
existing
storm
walls
in
a
state
of
disrepair
running
down
the
boundary
side
of
that
boundary
of
the
developments,
features
gaps
and
needs
to
be
sort
of
basically
renewed
via
a
new
boundary
treatment
for
the
development
itself.
B
B
And
just
the
final
set
of
support
us
if
the
context,
so
this
is
Downing
towards
the
Nature
Reserve
itself
and
the
bridge
over
the
river
air
and
the
picture
on
the
center.
Sorry,
the
central
footer
shows
the
river
itself
and
which
you'll
know
various
machar
trees
along
the
right
hand,
side
and
this
area
towards
the
side
of
the
river
itself
is
to
remain
as
an
ecology,
buffer,
providing
an
eight
meter.
Separation
between
the
development
and
the
river
air
and
obviously
the
trees
in
that
section
of
the
development
are
to
be
retained.
B
B
The
site
itself
is
previously
mentioned:
ecology
buffers
which
run
around
its
perimeter,
notable
to
the
eastern
boundary
again,
where
I
must
mentioned
the
three
meter
buffer
will
be
installed
along
the
tour
path
and
with
the
eight
meter
buffer
to
the
Eastern
side
along
the
river.
The
development's
been
amended
via
negotiations
with
the
applicant
and
the
consultees,
including
nature
officers
engaging
with
Ward
members
and
ruddling
nature
reserve
and
the
Cricket
Club,
to
which,
in
an
attempt
to
address
some
concerns
around
Gene
ecology
matters.
B
The
plan
also
indicates
the
existing
trees
to
be
retained
again,
as
previously
mentioned
the
ones
along
the
tour
path
and
within
the
ecology
buffer
itself.
You'll
know
the
linear
row
of
dwellings
to
the
east
of
the
development.
These
consist
of
three
and
four-story
townhouse
type
properties,
they're
orientated
to
face
the
internal
Road
within
the
development,
with
Gardens
to
the
rear
towards
the
turf
path.
There's
a
change
in
levels
in
this
area
with
the
townhouse
type
dwellings
proposed.
B
The
changing
levels
is
around
two
to
three
meters
and
the
central
area
of
dwellings,
which
you
can
see
on
the
slide.
There
are
the
typical
two-story
properties.
This
is
with
the
exception
of
a
larger
m43,
accessible
Bungalow
to
the
north
of
the
development
and
to
comply
with
accessibility
policy.
B
An
additional
Green
Space
contributions,
25
000,
is
to
be
obtained,
given
a
shot
following
on
site
delivery
along
with
officer
sorry,
the
offside
contribution
giving
ecology
concerns,
and
this
is
to
be
obtained
by
the
outlined
section.
106
agreement.
B
And
further
to
the
previous
plan,
this
slide
highlights
just
the
proposed
boundary
treatments
and
again
the
ecology
buffers
just
to
make
that
clear
to
members
and
you'll
see
the
2.4
meter
high
weld
mesh
fence
there
in
Orange,
which
in
essence
runs
around
the
perimeter
of
the
site
again
for
Ecology
reasons
to
to
protect
the
ecology,
buffers
surrounding
the
site.
B
The
following
slides
just
outlined
the
housing
types
themselves,
so
just
give
you
an
idea
of
the
the
appearance
and
the
design
of
the
housing.
This
is
the
detached
type
property
with
a
pitched
roof.
The
stone
heads
and
Sills
and
obviously
it'll
be
finished
in
a
gray
in
a
gray
roof
tile.
B
These
are
the
four-story
townhouse
type
developments
which
run
along
the
turpath
side
of
the
development.
You'll
note
the
changing
levels
as
as
previously
mentioned
there,
the
properties
are
to
be
erected
in
stone,
with
an
integral
garage
to
the
ground
floor
and
Juliet
balconies
to
the
front.
B
Again,
just
for
clarity,
these
are
the
semi-detached
properties,
traditional
design
and
appearance,
Stone,
heads
and
Sills
and
again
to
be
erected
in
store.
B
And
finally,
just
to
provide
an
illustration
of
the
accessible
book,
obviously
a
larger
property,
but
a
bungalow
with
internal
arrangements
and
to
meet
accessibility
standards.
B
And
this
slide
obviously
shows
the
four-story
apartment
block
replicating
the
Juliet
Balcony
features
on
the
dwellings
themselves.
Amendments
have
been
made
on
the
design
of
the
apartment
block
in
conjunction
with
design
officers,
to
increase
window
sizes
and
replicate
the
form
of
the
surrounding
properties.
The
apartment
block
itself
has
been
relocated
to
the
southern
portion
of
the
site,
away
from
the
Nature
Reserve.
This
was
considered
to
reduce
its
visual
impact
upon
the
surrounding
Reserve.
B
B
So
in
essence,
the
application
is
recommended
for
approval,
based
on
the
submitted
plans,
subject
to
the
section
106
for
the
secure
the
secure,
a
green,
offset
Green
Space
contribution.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Thank
you
not
just
read
out
in
according
to
our
protocol
for
public
speaking
at
plant
spaniel
members
of
the
public
are
in
attendance
to
speak
to
the
panel
after
they
have
spoken.
I
will
invite
members
of
the
panel
to
ask
questions
of
the
speakers
to
clarify
matters
of
facts,
and
those
questions
should
be
limited
to
prevalent,
planning
issues.
A
I
will
then
invite
officers
to
clarify
any
matters
raised
to
point
out
any
consideration
raised
in
the
discussion,
but
which
are
not
material
to
determine
the
applications.
We
have
speakers
on
both
sides.
We
have
four
speakers
in
objection
to
the
application
and
we
have
one
speaking
in
favor,
but
I
call
the
first
Speaker
Keith
counselor,
Carter,
Jeremy
and
counselor
Richie
to
the
table.
Please.
A
A
N
O
Council
Andrew
Carter
Ward
member
for
carbine
fastly
rolled
into
which
rodley
Falls
you're
well
aware
of
my
objections
to
the
planet.
Overall,
I've
circled
I've
sent
numerous
letters
of
objection
and
commenting
over
a
long
period
of
time,
but
I
want
to
urge
the
panel
today
to
take
the
opportunity
of
putting
right
the
mistakes
of
the
past.
Certainly
the
mistakes
which
are
going
to
significantly
impact
upon
residents
of
this
scheme.
O
I
realize
you
want
to
talk
about
the
detail,
but
it's
impossible
to
talk
solely
about
the
detail
without
commenting
of
the
means
of
access
to
the
development
which
has
so
far
proved
to
be
inadequate,
and
indeed,
if
it
malfunctions,
will
be
dangerous
to
the
new
residents
of
this
proposed
development
propose
a
severe
risk.
Traffic
will
back
up
which
will
affect
residents
existing
now
in
rodley
and
I.
Would
ask
you
to
seriously
consider
if
you're
passing
this
residents
only
parking
in
either
permanently
or
temporarily
over
the
construction
period
in
the
streets
opposite
the
site
itself.
O
P
Okay,
I'm
Jerry
Knapp
I'm
speaking
for
Rodney
Nature
Reserve
we're
committed
to
maintain
the
diversity
of
wildlife
on
the
site
to
make
it
available
for
the
enjoyment
and
education
of
the
public.
We
haven't
opposed
this
development,
but
we've
worked
through
the
plane
process
to
limit
damage
to
Wildlife
and
to
the
reserve.
The
ecology
buff
around
the
development
is
crucial
to
this.
P
We
oppose
the
construction
of
a
pipeline
across
the
ecology
buffer
to
discharge
surface
water
to
the
river,
which
is
contrary
to
the
original
planning
permission.
This
risk
of
damage
to
the
ecology,
buffer
and
the
wildlife
can
I
explain
more
about
required.
Our
only
water
supply
is
directly
opposite.
The
the
development
site
and
contamination
of
this
water
supply
would
be
absolutely
disastrous
to
reserve.
So
we
think
I
can
explain
the
details
of
why
that
is
later.
We
think
there
should
be
no
discharges,
surface
water
into
this
area.
P
P
P
When
we
request
that
this,
the
ecology
buffer
area
is
securely
fenced
prior
to
any
construction
work,
and
this
needs
to
be
written
into
the
final
playing
permission
to
make
sure
that
ecology,
buffer
and
the
wildlife
is
safe,
we're
concerned
about
site
management
and
disturbance
during
a
lengthy
construction
period
and
to
protect
the
reserve
and
the
wildlife
coyd
along
the
river.
We
think
the
Nature
Reserve
should
be
involved
in
pre-construction
plans
and
should
be
this
should
be
written
into
the
planning
permission.
Final
client
permission.
A
So
far,
two
speakers
spoken
and
we
are
discussing
and
debating
the
housing
issue,
but
so
far
there
isn't
a
comment
regarding
the
house.
So
I
don't
know
if
the
other
two
speakers
going
to
comment
on
the
house
or
any
other
issue.
But
today
really
we
are
here
to
discuss
the
housing
as
concert
quite
rice.
We
cannot
discuss
it
without
mentioning
the
bridge,
but
there's
a
limited
amount
of
time
should
be
given
to
the
bridge
because
we
are
here
to
discuss
housing.
Q
Thank
you
good
afternoon
panel
and
I
agree
with
the
comments
made
earlier,
but
I'm
not
going
to
repeat
those
so
Green
Space,
the
on-site
usable
communal,
Green
Space
is
Holy
and
adequate
well
welcome
in
the
hybrid
approach
they
offered
a
25k
he's
not
enough
to
make
the
necessary
enhancements
to
the
Local
Park,
which
is
significant
increase
in
families,
would
need
that
this
development
brings.
It
also
benefit
The,
Wider
rugley
Community,
some
of
the
negative
matters
this
proposed
development
has
brought
on
residents,
have
endured
in
the
highways
report.
.33
references
outline
satisfying
officers.
Q
Q
This
one
will
be
eight
minutes
if
they
manage
to
resolve
the
current
problems
and
should
it
fail,
the
situation
will
be
untenable
and
Keith
is
going
to
talk
a
bit
more
about
that
in
terms
of
parking,
we've
lost
10
spaces
on
Moss,
Bridge,
Road,
I,
think
they're
described
as
informal
parking
spaces.
Well,
let
me
tell
you
from
my
experience:
I
was
a
regular
visitor
down
there.
Q
They
used
throughout
the
summer
for
people
on
the
leisure
activities
Canal
Etc,
they
were
always
filled,
so
we're
going
to
lose
also
the
capacity
on
Town
Street
with
the
proposed
tro.
So
this
is
going
to
create
problems
for
the
local
communities.
People
seek
alternative
options
for
those
leisure
activities,
local
streets,
such
as
Longfield
Drive,
the
Cricket
Club
Car
Park,
the
Nature
Reserve
car
park
and
the
new
development
will
be
likely
Alternatives.
So,
of
course,
massive
inconvenience
to
many.
Q
The
solution
is
to
reduce
the
proposed
number
of
units
on
the
development
to
provide
visitor
parking
on
the
new
development
and
bear
in
mind
that
the
policy
is
slightly
below
for
the
flats
to
start
with
as
well,
and
most
people
have
more
than
two
cars.
Admittedly,
the
policies
to
per
unit,
however
I
think
we
can
do
better
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
develop
any
of
those
matters.
R
R
Design
and
production
engineer
from
rodley
who,
who
has
knowledge
of
every
rotating
structures?
This
bridge
is
not
fit
for
purpose,
and
this
should
not
be
signed
off
in
this
condition:
poor,
archaic
design,
poor
manufacture,
installation
and
simply
not
good,
mainly
due
to
the
latter
too
many
parts
that
could
fail.
A
mechanical
device
can
fail,
and
there
are
lots
on
this
bridge.
Rack
and
pinion
is
very
poor
design
open
to
elements
and
abuse,
and
this
is
the
main
operating
feature
opinion
not
engage
right
due
to
manufacturing
and
design
faults.
R
This
will
cause
premature,
wear
interference,
which
could
mean
that
the
bridge
would
jam.
Wedges
need
to
engage
correctly,
which
is
hard
on
such
a
large
structure
and
when
the
bridge
it
stops,
bounce
back
will
occur
and
then
the
wedges
will
not
be
in
line.
One
aspect
which
is
happening
now.
Failure
will
not
allow
the
barriers
to
rise
and
they
have
introduced
electric
power
for
the
limit
switches
and
the
barriers.
But
if
there's
a
power
failure,
then
the
barriers
will
not
raise.
The
whole
thing
is
a
complete.
R
It's
too
complicated
for
General
general
public
impossible
for
a
single
man
operation
who
cannot
get
back
to
the
boat
main
concern.
Who
will
guarantee
this
bridge
will
not
fail.
I
do
not
think
there
is
anyone
can
guarantee.
This
will
not
happen
seem
to
be
missing
the
main
issue.
As
this
development
is
on
an
island
and
without
fail
surf
Bridge,
the
development
will
be
isolated
and
then
then
a
major
catastrophe
could
occur.
So
this
needs
some
serious
thought
and
some
common
sense
from
the
panel
not
to
allow
this
development.
R
A
J
Thank
you,
chair,
I'd,
like
to
come
back
to
something
that
councilor
Carter
said
and
also
something
that
councilor
Richie
has
said.
Please
if
I
may
councilor
Carter,
are
you
saying
that
you
don't
trust
this
bridge
and
that
you
think
there's
a
massive
safety
issue
because
I
think
that's
what
I'm
hearing
from
you?
O
O
If
you
can
call
it
complete,
shall
we
say
now
and
be
charitable,
and
that
draws
you
to
the
conclusion
that
if
this
bridge,
as
my
friend
Keith
lambertus
said,
is
so
unfit
for
purpose,
then
you
are
going
to
isolate
well
over
a
hundred
people
on
a
new
development
and
if
somebody
Falls
ill,
they
are
on
an
island
and
I,
wouldn't
like
that
risk
on
my
shoulders,
chair,
I,
really,
wouldn't
because
everyone
knows
what
what
could
happen
and
it'll
be
too
late
when
we
all
say
told
you
so
and
I
don't
want
to
be
in
that
position
either
and
I
would
ask
you
to
consider
very
carefully
your
duty
of
care
to
the
proposed
new
new
residents
on
the
site
and
their
ability
to
safely
get
on
and
off
the
side
and,
of
course,
the
traffic
congestion
will
harm.
J
Thanks
and
and
councilor
Richie
would
you
expand
on
some
of
the
points
you
made
please
because
I
I,
don't
really
I,
don't
think
you
had
enough
time
to
expand
on
some
of
them
and
I'd
just
like
to
understand
those
a
bit
more
I
know.
You
were
concerned
about
the
green
space
and
that's
something
that
I've
actually
got
as
a
point
as
well.
So
if
you
could
expand,
please
thank
you.
Q
Hey
fnq,
councilor,
Smith,
so
yeah,
so
the
Green
Space
it
meets
policy.
Admittedly,
and
the
extra
donation
as
it
were,
contribution
is
welcome,
but
we
have
to
do
better
in
Leeds,
we've
got
to
make
a
a
difference
to
to
these
local
communities
who
lose
out.
You
know
it's
caught
used
to
be
called
planning
game.
Didn't
it
and
we're
not
really
getting
anything.
I.
Q
Think
members
will
recognize
that
25
000
might
buy
you
two
pieces
of
equipment
if,
if
you're
lucky
on
a
park
and
when
you
think
it's
a
filter
rent
scheme,
it's
basically
a
cash
cow
for
the
developer
for
the
lifetime
of
its
development.
So
by
giving
an
extra
contribution,
I
feel
that
it
would
make
you
know,
got
some
way
to
compensate
if
this
gets
approved.
S
Foreign
yeah
and
my
question
is
to
Jerry
just
on
the
the
surface,
water
and
the
the
water
which
I
know
comes
from
the
river
to
to
the
the
you
know
you
how
it
feeds
broadly
nature,
is
a
and
your
concerns
over
that
contamination
and
I
know.
You
said
that
you,
you
had
additional
information,
and
so
I
just
wondered.
If
you
could,
if
you
could,
let
us
know
what
what
should
happen
or
what?
S
P
We
have
a
licensed
water
intake
from
the
river
air
which
feeds
all
through
the
reserve,
so
it's
our
only
Supply
of
water.
It
feeds
into
the
lagoons
where
we
have
Birds,
otters
mammals,
lots
of
insects
it
feeds
through
to
the
dragonfly
Pond
area,
which
is
is
now
accepted
as
a
national
hot
spot
for
for
dragonflies.
We've
receive
National
recognition
for
that,
and
it's
one
of
the
most
popular
parts
of
the
reserve
with
our
education
business.
We
do
a
lot
of
Education
work.
P
The
the
abstraction
point
is
directly
opposite,
the
the
the
the
the
the
the
the
development
site.
If
water
comes
out
of
the
development
site
and
goes
across
the
river
and
is
taken
up
by
the
abstraction,
our
abstraction
is
running
all
the
time
we
pump
water
in
it
flows
through
the
reserve
and
it
flows
out
at
the
the
other
end,
so
we're
always
pumping
water
in
various
various
volumes.
P
Theoretically,
this
is
clean,
surface
water,
but
we
all
know
what
gets
tipped
onto
to
roads.
Bits
of
you
know:
petrol
oil,
diesel
leaking
from
Cars
people,
chuck
all
sorts
of
stuff
down
local
drains.
Oh,
it's
just
going
down
the
surge
works.
Of
course
this
isn't
going.
The
search
works,
it's
going
to
go
straight
down
in
into
the
river
and
if
there's
a
local
downpour
it'll
be
flushed
out
rapidly
into
the
river,
there
may
not
be
any
significant
dilution
to
River
and
it
may
go
straight
across
to
in
into
the
reserve.
P
You
might
say,
that's
a
low
risk.
The
risk
may
be
low,
but
the
consequences
are
extremely
serious,
and
so
we
have
to
balance
those
out.
Do
we
have
to
be
absolutely
sure
that
there
is
no
chance
of
water
from
that
surface
water
out
out
for
going
into
going
in
into
the
reserve
and
damaging
the
wildlife,
which
is
a
benefit
for
the
whole
community
that
we
as
a
reserve
serve.
P
So
what
we
need
to
do
is
make
sure
either
there
is
no
discharge
or
the
discharge
is
positioned
in
such
a
way
that
it
can't
discharge
across
the
river
directly
to
our
intake
and
he's
directed
in
such
a
way.
It
is
bound
to
flow
Downstream.
So
there's
the
design
considerations
that
if
you
do
give
plane
permission
allowing
this,
we
need
an
input
into
it.
At
the
moment,
what
we're
doing
is
buying
a
pig
in
a
bag.
We
don't
know
what
we've
got.
P
H
F
P
P
Geographically,
if
you
like
the
obvious
place
to
put,
it
would
be
to
go
straight
opposite
our
intake,
because
the
gradients
are
the
easiest
there,
but
if
it
went
there
there
would
be
risk
of
damage
the
root
zones
of
the
of
the
trees
there.
If
it
goes
down
further
Downstream,
it
would
be
harder
to
install
that
would
damage
some
of
the
trees
and
potentially
damage
wildlife.
In
that
area.
There
is
actually
a
canal
overflow
which
flows
is
behind
the
site,
the
development
site.
P
It
runs
down
the
edge
of
it
down
the
Eastern
Southern
edge
of
it,
and
that's
used
to
take
water
from
the
canal
into
into
the
river.
When
there's
too
much
water
in
the
canal,
it's
possible
that
that
site
could
be
that
that
could
be
used.
But
what
we
need
to
do
is
make
sure
it
cannot
get
into
our
intake,
because
the
results
would
be
disastrous.
N
Sorry
Chad
just
just
remembers,
benefit
and
I
were
on
site
yesterday
and
and
met
Jerry,
and
we
did
go
across
the
site
and
discuss
this
particular
issue.
The
reference
to
buying
a
pig
in
the
Poke
is
simply
that
this
is
actually
covered
by
a
condition,
so
the
detail
of
where
the
outfall
would
be
would
be.
It
would
be
considered
and
whatever
intercept
is
for
any.
You
know.
N
Noxious
liquids
such
as
our
oil
that
may
come
off
cars
Etc
will
be
considered
at
that
particular
point,
and
we
did
accept
Mike
and
I
that
there
would
be
the
opportunity
for
input,
but
also
we
were
very
clear
in
our
minds
that
any
such
a
outflow
would
have
to
be
Downstream
of
the
location
of
this
extractor
unit
yeah.
So
we
did
discuss
it
yesterday
on
site.
F
Q
Well
I
think
I
said
50
000,
pound
minimum
and
I.
Don't
think
that
would
affect
the
developer
cadix
in
any
way
in
terms
of
their
bottom
line.
Significantly,
like
I,
say
it's
a
bill
to
rent
scheme
and
it's
a
cash
cow
for
the
lifetime
of
the
Tendencies.
So
and
let's
put
a
bit
back
in
our
communities.
Q
F
Miss
Lambert,
you,
you
started
by
saying
what
your
expertise
was.
I
know,
I
didn't
quite
catch
all
of
it
and
not
the
actual
relevance
of
it.
As
my
colleagues
said,
asked
me
as
well,
could
you
just
restate
your
expertise
and
how
that
fits
in
with
this
particular
degree,
I
can't.
R
When
I
serve
my
time
at
Thomas,
which
is
right
opposite
that
place,
Thomas
Smith
produced
crayons
and
excavators
all
crowns
and
excavators
use
slow
Rings,
which
the
bridge
uses
they
I
said
it
was
an
archaic
design.
The
design
was
thrown
out
at
Thomas
Smith
in
the
1960s.
We
stopped
using
that
type
of
thing,
except
on
very
very
big
Dockside
crayons
yeah,
so
I
have
a
lot
of
experience.
Not
only
did
I
design
them
and
I
was
a
production
engineer.
R
R
Like
people
say,
it's
got
to
do
it's
it's
totally
inadequate
at
this
moment
in
time
and
no
matter
what
you
do,
we're
sticking
plaster
type
remedies
it
ain't,
gonna
work
and
my
objection
right
from
wordgo
is:
if,
if
this
bridge
fails
at
any
time
in
the
future,
which
it
will
right,
even
a
really
good
design,
one
could
even
do
that
because
any
mechanical
thing
can
fail.
If
it
fails,
when
the
bridge
is
open,
which
it
has
done
numerous
times
already
yeah,
then
the
Emergency
Services
cannot
get
there
and
that's
going
to
be
a
catastrophe.
K
K
What
contingency
plans
have
you
been
involved
in
locally
if
these
various
things
fail?
If
this
was
to
fail,
what
discussions
have
you
had
about
contingencies
that
we
put
in
place?
So,
in
other
words,
if
the
bridge
is
locked
open,
what
discussions
has
there
been
locally
as
to
what
you'd
put
in
in
an
emergency
to
get
to
get
access
back
again?
Have
there
been
any
discussions
and
if
not,
why
not
and
then-
and
then
I've
also
got
concerns
around
the
construction
management
plan
in
terms
of
its
layout
and
how
it's
going
to
affect?
K
Where
compounds
are
going
to
be
exactly
and
where
cars
are
going
to
be
parked
from
the
people
who
are
building
the
estate,
so
so
Council
Richie
on
the
car
parking
and
any
of
the
four
of
you
wishing
to
expand
about
any
points
on
the
other
ones.
Q
Q
We
know
what
happens
you,
the
family
homes
you
get
a
teenager,
they
get
a
car
two
and
three
cars
for
properties,
probably
a
more
likely
average.
The
trouble
is
with
our
policy.
It's
always
reactive,
isn't
it
really?
It
takes
so
long
and
that's
no
slight
on
any
of
the
offices,
because
it
takes
so
long
to
go
through
the
public
consultations
and
whatnot
and
there's
the
ambition
that
people
will
be
cycling
and
using
public
transport.
Q
Well,
public
transport
in
rodley
is
an
absolute
Nightmare
and
on
the
probably
likely
to
get
worse
if,
if
more
bus
funding
isn't
given,
so
we've
got
to
accept
people
coming
cars,
you
only
have
to
look
at
the
Civic
or
Council
car
park
on
full
Council
there
to
ensure
that
how
we
we
are
most
of
us
behave,
so
the
bottom
line
is-
and
it's
also
below
policy
anyway
for
the
flats,
albeit
slightly
below
now.
Q
Obviously,
people
have
visitors
christenings,
you
might
have
at
your
house
social
events
that
brings
more
two
and
three
cars
and-
and
we
know
every
I-
think
every
estate
we've
built
recently,
you
can
drive
by
and
you'll
see
cars
parked
on
the
Pavements
on
those
Estates
I.
Think
by
me,
mother-in-law
lives
on
West
Park,
that
little
development
there
opposite
Mitchell's
and
what
have
you
up?
There
there's
always
cars
parks
on
there.
Q
Sometimes
we
want
the
dog
across
there
on
the
way
to
see
my
mother-in-law,
and
it
just
shows
that
it's
not
not
working
two
spaces
per
per
unit,
but
that's
the
policy,
however,
to
make
up
for
the
shortfall.
Q
If
you
move
one
or
two
of
those
units
you
could
put
in
some
visitor
parking,
because
visitors
to
the
canal
that
don't
drive,
you
know
if
the
Cricket
Club
car
parts,
for
which
it
often
is,
let
me
tell
you:
I,
regularly,
watch
cricket
down
there
in
the
summer
they
will
park
on
the
estate
they
will
park
on
the
estate,
so
they'll
have
problems
on
the
estate
as
well.
So
it's
a
really
serious
matter.
Actually,
it
turns
out
go
first.
Q
On
your
other
question
about
discussions
for
emergencies,
yeah
we've
had
we've
had
those
discussions
and
offices
refer
to
no
objections
from
the
emergency
services
and
the
site.
The
fact
which
is
in
the
report
that
the
bridge
is
open
to
traffic
the
vast
majority
of
the
time
so
that
that's
been
the
answer
on
that
one.
O
O
We've
all
seen
the
problems
get
worse
and
worse
of
this
construction
period
and
I'm
not
directing
this
at
the
planning
department.
Let
me
let
me
stress,
I'm,
addressing
the
issues
further
up
the
line
and
to
policy
policies.
O
They
have
to
pick
up
the
ticket
because
there
is
no
parking
on
rodley,
Town
Street
and
has
has
been
rightly
said.
All
that
will
happen
is
that
people
will
park
all
over
it's.
Why
I
asked
for
you
to
come
to
the
residence
parking
in
the
streets
opposite,
although
the
highways
department
will
say
well,
they've
got
drives
but
drives
aren't
much
good
if
somebody's
parked
so
tied
up
against
the
access.
O
You
can't
get
your
car
in
or
out,
and
and
it's
infuriating
that
we
don't
seem
to
look
at
the
across
the
peace
at
developments
because
they
are
all
different
and-
and
this
one
highlights
some
serious
serious
issues
and
I
would
ask
you
to
really
take
it
on
board,
because
the
book
does
stop
here,
I'm,
afraid
to
say.
P
If
I
could
give
you
some
personal
experience
of
the
likely
access
problems
over
the
last
year,
Yorkshire
water
have
had
an
alternative
access
route
across
the
bombs
field
and
we,
as
tenants
of
Yorkshire
water,
have
been
able
to
use
that
in
the
future
that
won't
be
available
to
us.
Whilst
the
bridge
is
opened
recently,
we
had
a
problem.
Two
weeks
ago
we
had
a
problem
with
with
access,
when
the
the
gates
on
the
bridge
wouldn't
open,
I,
actually
helped
to
mount.
P
Try
and
move
the
bridge
around
the
whole
incident
took
well
over
an
hour
an
hour
and
a
quarter
before
it
was
open.
Again
we
had
a
queue
of
30
cars
on
the
reserve
who
come
down
to
visit
the
reserve
and
wanted
to
go
home.
There
are
lots
more
on
the
reserve
who
were
still
looking
around
so
what
we
did
I
think.
Maybe
we
shouldn't
have
done
that
we'd
used
the
alternative,
Farmers
field
route,
we
evacuated
them
across
the
farmers
field.
We
had
to
be
careful
to
make.
P
There
were
no
cattle
in
the
field,
so
we
got
them
safely
across
and
then
closed
that
route
off.
Unfortunately,
they've
got
the
bridge
working
again
by
then
that
won't
be
possible
in
the
future,
so
people
who
couldn't
Reserve
if
the
bridge
breaks
down,
we
won't
be
able
to
do
that
because
that's
a
Time
limited
access
route
for
Yorkshire
water.
P
A
In
15
months,
councilor
Anderson
was
that
one
of
your
question-
sorry,
nice,
okay,
I,
just
wanted
to
make
sure
it.
K
P
If
I
could
just
finish
off
over
the
last
year,
we've
had
to
reduce
opening
of
The
Reserve
to
one
day
a
week.
Instead
of
three
days
a
week,
that's
affected
the
enjoyment
of
the
community
of
the
of
the
reserve.
It's
particularly
affected
families
who
need
push
chair
access.
It's
a
long,
walk
down
from
the
next
access
points
up
up
the
canal,
it's
even
worse
for
disabled
people
relying
on
wheel,
wheelchairs
Etc,
so
it
has
affected
the
operation
of
the
community
School
visits.
We've
had
problems
with
school
visits.
P
Often
we've
had
five-year-old
kids
walking,
half
half
a
mile
or
three
quarters
a
mile
down
the
canal,
Towpath,
sometimes
in
not
particularly
good
weather,
to
get
down
and
do
their
education
session
and
we'd
provide
education
resources
for
the
whole
of
leads.
We
have
schools
from
all
over
Leeds,
whether
it
be
hair,
Hills,
kippax
and
from
Bradford
horses
all
over
that's
affected,
and
if
we
have
access
problems
in
the
future,
that's
going
to
affect
what
we
can
do
for
the
community
in
educational
terms,
as
well
as
enjoyment
does
that
answer
the
question.
Thank
you.
R
It's
a
nightmare
in
rodley
with
parking,
it's
a
nightmare
in
rodley
with
with
cars
queuing
to
get
up
to
the
Ring
Road
we
had
to.
We
had
to
solve
a
rat
running
problem
yeah
and
you
know
and
I've
seen
all
these
children
walking
along
this
canal,
like
you
said
in
rain
and
whatever
and
all
that's
had
to
stop,
which
is
not
fair,
really
because
you
know
it's
something
that
everybody
should
be
able
to
enjoy
and
it
came
up
a
bit
earlier
on
the
the
canal.
R
Bulls
would
mentioned
about
one
person
operation,
which
I
mentioned
in
my
speech-
that
you
know
that's
not
possible
with
this
bridge,
and
it
was
mentioned
that
you
know.
There's
lots
of
boats
that
have
two
people
and
lots
of
the
people
who
were
the
second
person
on
the
ball
are
actually
disabled.
R
So
you
know
there's
going
to
be
a
problem.
They
have
to
ring
up
and
get
someone
from
canal
and
River
Trust
to
come
down
and
they
have
to
wait
two
hours
the
first
time
that
happened.
That's
if
they're
anywhere
near
and
then,
when
the
engineer
gets
there,
you
might
not
even
know
how
that
bridge
works.
So
the
bridge
is
a
major
major
problem
and
it
just
seems
to
have
been
forgotten.
Yeah
thank.
K
R
To
answer
that,
because
again,
as
I
said,
I
I
I'm
my
office
when
I
worked
at
Broadway
engineering
was
right
by
this
bridge.
That's
when
it
was
a
working
Factory,
the
bridge
was
normally
left,
so
Vehicles
could
get
across.
So
that's
the
major
thing,
but
in
summer
months
there
are
sometimes
three
or
four
balls
that
come
through
together,
not
one.
R
K
R
To
it
well,
I
think
the
book
I
think
I
think
actually,
oh
sorry,
opening
the
bridge
honey
opening
the
bridge
could
cause
a
problem
because
it's
a
bad
design
getting
those
wedges
out.
If
it's
not
lined
up.
Let's
say,
there's
a
quite
heavy
wind
that
wind
will
go
against
the
wedges
yeah,
but
when
it's
open
right,
the
same
applies
when
they
have
to
shut
it
right.
The
wedges
may
not
go
in,
but
it's
it's
also
very,
very
hard
with
hand
wheels
and
like
I
said.
The
rack
and
pinion
is
very,
very
poor
design.
R
D
My
question
to
you
all
is
you're
not
objecting
to
the
houses
being
built.
There
you're
objected
to
the
bridge
at
this
moment
in
time
by
saying
it's
not
well
designed
and
the
problem
that
you're
having
at
this
moment
in
time.
So
my
question
is:
are
you
not
objecting
to
the
houses
you
just
your
concerns
is
regard
the
bridge.
R
Yeah,
no
no
I
mean
no
I'm,
not
objection
to
the
houses
at
all
right,
but
the
problem
is
those
I.
Those
houses
are
on
an
island
and
any
other
Island
right
with
only
one.
Access
that
couldn't
fail
is
just
not
worth
putting
the
houses
there.
So
the
biggest
problem
is,
it's
only
got
one
access
point
and-
and
he
said
the
other
one
which
people
have
mentioned
as
an
emergency
thing,
that's
out
of
the
window
anyhow.
So
no
I'm
not
objection
to
the
houses,
but
there
are
other
issues
with
parking
and
all
the
rest
of
it.
D
O
O
10
car
parking
spaces
have
been
lost
on
Moss,
Bridge,
Road
and
I
strongly
suspect
that
it
will
be
the
intention
of
our
highways
Department
to
put
a
yellow
line
in
at
the
side
of
moss,
Bridge
Road,
so
there'll
be
no
parking
at
all
there.
Indeed,
they
probably
can't
be
now
so
more
and
more
cars
will
be
parked
out
on
private
residential
streets
and
on
the
highway,
and
the
highway
is
already
constrained.
O
So
I
don't
see
how
you
can
say,
or
certainly
I
can't
I'm
in
support
of
a
Housing
Development
that
has
got
so
many
laws
that
have
yet
to
be
addressed
and
Council
Richie
mentioned
the
106
agreement.
Well,
a
recent
experience
of
how
much
playground
equipment
costs
So
for
50
Grand
in
Rodney
Park.
It's
probably
two
roundabouts
and
it's
insufficient
to
say
the
least,
but
in
any
event
that
doesn't
in
any
way
compensate
for
the
road
traffic
situation
and
the
lack
of
parking
on
site.
A
Is
is
that
to
do
with
the
bridge
are
to
do
with
the
housing,
but
it's
all
depends
to
do
it
both
because
what
I'm
listening
here
the
development
is
a
good
idea,
but
from
what
I'm
hearing
is
the
prevention
that
it
is
what
would
take
through
with
it
is
the
access
to
the
building.
But
despite
that,
we
are
here
really
to
know
your
opinion
and
the
housing
counselor
carton.
Councilor
Richie
has
given
the
consularity
Highlight
to
the
parking
issue,
Council
Academy,
but
excluded
building.
What
about
the
housing?
Because
I
do
know
you
are?
A
We
are
all
for
in
prevention.
We
don't
want
an
accident
as
counselor
Anderson
says
we
don't
want
emergency
vehicle.
The
bridge
do
need
looking
at
and
will
look
tired,
but
today
we
are
here
to
really
let
us
know
what
you
think
of
the
housing
we
do
understand.
The
bridge
and
I
myself
are
scared
of
the
bridge
because
I'm
just
picture
emergency
going
over
that
bridge
and
we're
just
going
round
and
round
with
the
bridge.
So
let's
talk
about
the
housing.
O
And
then,
in
that
case,
I
have
to
throw
it
back
to
her
to
this
committee.
You've
heard
all
issues
that
we
think
that
site
presents
that
housing
site
now.
We're
I
think
we're
all
asking
here
to
address
those
issues
and
then,
if
we
believe
and
our
residents
believe
that
we
all
know,
we
need
affordable
housing
now
we're
arguing
on
a
different
thing
altogether.
But
at
the
moment
there
are
so
many
imponderables
and-
and
so
far
what's
happened
on.
P
If
I
can
answer
that
question,
the
Nature
Reserve
hasn't
objected
in
principle
to
housing
on
that
site.
We
think
there
are
too
many
units
on
it.
We
think
the
parking
provision
is
not
good.
We
may
all
along
had
an
assumption
that
a
responsible
city
council
wouldn't
allow
development
on
the
site
which
didn't
have
good
guaranteed
access
by
a
bridge.
So
I
think
that
answers
Council,
Hamilton's
question.
Q
And
if
I
may
answer
the
direct
question
as
well
so
again,
I
I,
don't
support
part
of
the
current
development
as
it's
presented
to
you
in
the
reserve.
Matters
form
as
I
say:
inadequate
parking
over
development.
The
principle
for
development
was
established
both
in
the
site
allocations,
plan
of
2014-15
and
in
in
the
outline
for
up
to
69
units.
Now
up
to
is
the
key
couple
of
words
in
the
site
allocation
plan.
Q
I
recall
raising
this
one
out
in
my
Glory
Days
on
our
own
development
plans
panel
that
it
was
down
for
five
units
now
I
know
that's
a
guide,
but
that's
one
heck
of
a
jump
from
five
to
where
we
are
today
in
67.
So
it
needs
to
be
the
numbers
that
need
to
be
reduced
and
the
matters
addressed
before
I
can
support.
What's
before
you
today,.
O
I
N
Thank
you
just
just
before
the
the
applicants
get
the
opportunity
to
to
speak.
I
just
need
to
remind
members
around
the
table
that
this
goes
back
to
a
2018
application,
which
was
an
outline
application
which,
regardless
of
whether
you
think
Phi,
was
the
adequate
number
of
dwellings
on
that
side
that
should
have
been
approved.
It
did
approve,
as
Council
Richie
said,
the
up
to
69
potential.
N
What
you
have
in
front
of
you
is
67,
so
it
is
slightly
less
so
so
there
is
actually
an
outline
that
that
gives
that
indicative
indication
that
that's
acceptable,
but
also
it
accepts
this
development
site,
whether
you're,
lucky
or
not.
But
the
other
thing
I
just
need
to
stress
is
that,
subsequent
to
that
application
being
approved,
the
2018
outline
application.
There
were
various
conditions
attached
to
that,
some
of
which
have
been
discharged
by
further
condition
approvals
that
relate
to
the
breach.
N
N
So
that's
really
what
we
ought
to
be
concentrating
I,
understand
and
I
empathize
about
the
concerns
about
the
bridges
and
I
have
operated
badges
myself,
so
I
do
have
a
little
bit
of
an
idea
of
how
these
things
operate,
and
this
is
why
we
went
out
yesterday.
So
there
are
difficulties
with
it,
but
I
just
wanted
to
to
remind
members
that
we're
actually
dealing
with
the
67
dwellings.
S
I
I'd
just
like
to
point
out
that
we
we
I,
we
absolutely
I,
think
we're.
You
know.
We
absolutely
know
we're
looking
at
the
housing,
but
we
wouldn't
be
very
responsible
counselors
if
we
agree
that
a
development
where
we
run
the
risk
of
emergency
vehicles
not
being
able
to
access
that
development
in
the
event
of
an
emergency,
so
I
think
what
we're
asking
are
very
relevant
questions
and
also
we've
got
the
the
ecology
issues
as
well.
S
You
know
that
we
want
you
know
we
we've
declared
a
climate
emergency
as
a
city,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
the
Nature
Reserve
is
protected
under
that
climate,
emergency,
so
I,
don't
think
anyone's
disputing
the
fact
we're
here
to
look
at
the
housing,
but
we've
got
emergency
access
and
the
climate
emergency
to
look
at
it.
You
can't
just
take
the
housing
separately
without
the
other
issues.
N
Done
that
to
counselor,
but
the
the
point
being,
there
have
been
conditioned
discharge,
applications
that
are
approved
that
relate
to
the
Construction
and
design
of
the
bridge.
Now
I
don't
profess
to
be
an
expert
in
this,
but
obviously
the
the
applicants
have
got
their
own
Engineers,
who
are
trying
to
correct
the
difficulties
that
are
actually
on
the
bridge.
I
just
wanted
everybody
to
be
absolutely
clear
as
to
what
we're
meant
to
be
considering
it.
N
That's
been
put
To
Us
by
the
applicant
is
the
one
that
Jerry
is
concerned
about
at
the
moment
where
Mike
and
I
just
did
discuss
that
he
could
be
involved
in
the
the
consideration
of
that,
and
the
clear
and
obvious
thing
to
do
is
to
make
sure
it's
Downstream,
so
it
doesn't
contaminate
water
if
there
should
be
significant
runoff
and
just
wanted
members
to
appreciate
that
these.
These
things
that
are
being
said
have
not
gone
past
offices.
N
A
A
Thank
you
for
coming
to
the
end
line,
I
I
do
understand
and
we
do
take
on
board
the
concern
and
my
background.
I
do
believe
in
health
and
safety,
and
we
do
believe
we've
got
a
city
to
think
of
of
each
angles
and
all
of
those
will
take
into
consideration
about
sound
that
we
don't
want
to
discuss
the
bridge.
But
today
we
are
here
to
discuss
planning.
I
know
it
merge,
but
it's
only
so
much
and
the
bridge
I
love
to
take
today
but
I'm
sure
we
look
at
every
angle
with
you.
Thank
you.
A
I
A
You
for
coming
and
you've
got
eight
minutes
between
you.
Is
it
two
of
you.
T
And
thank
you
thank
you.
Chair
I'll,
be
speaking
about
the
planning
application
today,
but
to
my
left
is
Alan
poisa.
He
is
the
employer's
representative
for
dynamic
capital
and
Investments
limited
and
as
I'm
sure
most
of
our
questions
will
relate
to
the
bridge.
Mr
Paul
is
here
can
can
answer
all
of
those
questions.
T
T
Thank
you
chair
just
to
start
to
go
a
bit
off
peace.
We
heard
quite
a
lot
from
cancer
Carter
Ethel
about
the
principle
of
the
development
and
just
to
stress
this
site
already
benefits
from
an
outline
planning
permission
for
up
to
69
dwellings.
So
the
council
have
already
made
a
decision
that
69
dwellings
can
be
accommodated
on
this
site
and
are
satisfied.
That's
acceptable
in
principle,
but
to
move
on
the
application
currently
performed.
T
Members
concerns
the
phase
two
of
a
residential
development
of
the
former
air
Dale
Mill
members
will
be
aware
that
the
phase
one
works,
seeing
the
replacement
of
The
Swinging
Bridge,
an
Associated
Highway
works,
are
being
delivered
by
Dynamic
capital
and
Investments
Limited.
These
Works
have
already
been
approved
by
the
council
and
therefore
fall
outside
the
scope
of
this
application.
T
We
are
aware
that
there
are
ongoing
issues
relating
to
the
operation
of
the
bridge,
whilst
the
applicant
Casa
by
Moda
is
not
responsible
for
the
delivery
of
the
bridge.
We
are
aware
that
the
contractor
is
working
hard
to
resolve
these
issues
and
expect
the
bridge
to
be
operating
as
intended
shortly.
T
In
this
regard,
I
would
like
to
draw
your
attention
to
condition
25
of
the
outline
permission.
It
requires
that
the
swing
Bridge
shall
be
complete,
an
operational
prior
to
the
first
occupation
of
phase
two
of
the
development.
Please
note
that
the
condition
relates
to
the
occupation
of
the
dwellings
and
not
nothing
else.
T
However,
the
application
currently
before
members
relate
solely
to
the
reserve
matters
and
the
details
proposed
for
the
phase
two
part
of
the
site
and
I
would
urge
members
to
focus
on
this.
The
applicant
has
worked
very
closely
with
your
officers
over
the
previous
12
months
to
deliver
a
scheme
for
phase
two.
We
have
also
met
with
rodley
next
Reserve
to
better
understand
the
ecological
issues
and
constraints
affecting
the
site
and
to
ensure
that
any
impact
is
appropriately
mitigated.
We
have
also
met
local
councilors
as
a
result
of
these
discussions.
T
The
proposed
layout
has
been
amended
to
provide
an
appropriate
ecological
buffers
between
the
Eastern
extent
of
the
residential
development
and
the
river
air.
None
of
the
existing
trades
within
the
buffer
will
be
disturbed,
nor
will
access
be
permitted
to
this
area
other
than
for
maintenance.
This
buffer
will
remain
clear
of
development
other
than
the
outfall,
which
we've
already
touched
upon
today,
which
will
be
agreed
with
the
council.
T
The
scheme
has
further
been
amended
to
provide
a
second
buffer
area
along
the
western
side
of
the
site
adjacent
to
the
Leeds
Liverpool
Canal.
Further
investigation
measures
are
set
out
in
the
submitted
biodiversity
management
plan
agree
with
officers.
These
include
the
provision
of
baton,
boat
boxes,
the
creation
of
Hedgehog
access
and
the
recommendations
towards
enabling
long-term
management
of
the
site.
These
measures
will
ensure
that
the
developments
on
the
site
will
not
give
rise
to
harm
to
the
existing
biodiversity
and
ecology.
That's
on-site
and
off-site.
T
Your
officers
are
confirmed
that
the
details
proposals
have
been
successfully
addressed,
the
various
issues
that
have
been
identified.
Furthermore,
the
developer
has
proposed
an
enhanced
building
specification
to
include
the
provision
of
air
source
heat
pumps,
improved
fabric
construction
and
electric
vehicle
charging.
T
T
This
offer
is
a
Goodwill
offer
and
is
proposed
in
addition
to
the
on-site
Green
Space
agreed
at
the
outline
stage,
and
we
welcome
Council,
which
is
recognition
that,
strictly
speaking,
a
off-site
contribution
is
not
required
and
it
all
the
open
space
provision
is
actually
provided
on
site.
T
K
There
is
mention
in
the
papers
from
the
officers
about
Energy,
Efficiency
and
climate
emergency,
but
I've
not
seen
any
details
as
to
what
is
in
here.
So
can
you
outline
what
the
Energy
Efficiency
measures
you've
put
into
your
into
the
properties
and
also
the
climate
emergency?
Both?
What
you
have
to
do
is
a
minimum
with
our
our
own
policies,
as
is,
but
also
what
you're
volunteering
to
do
to
make
this
an
Exemplar
development
by
going
over
and
above
the
minimum
that
the
council
are
asking
to
do
on
climate
change.
K
And
can
you
also
address
the
issue
that
councilor
Richie
raised
about
the
car
parking
layout
and
now
we're
going
to
deal
with
that
and
also
how
you're
going
to
deal
with
the
layout
to
deal
with
other
users
and
conflicts
with
other
users
in
the
area
of
either
parking,
incidentally,
or
whatever
there
and
then
the
final
thing
is
affordables?
Have
you
thought
about
or
what
discussions
have
you
had
about
turning
this
into
a
totally
affordable
development,
rather
than
this?
T
T
We
haven't
considered
anything
else.
My
client
is
a
bill
to
rent
provider
and
he's
providing
what
is
required
to
do
to
fulfill
and
satisfy
the
outline
planning
permission
in
terms
of
counterparking
and
layout.
The
layout
is
a
traditional
estate
layout.
There
is
amp
car
parking
on
street,
it
is
policy
compliant.
It
satisfies
your
officers
and
therefore
I
am
confident
that
there
won't
be
any
parking
issues
or
conflicts
in
terms
of
Energy,
Efficiency
and
climate
change.
T
T
K
Not
saying
it's
been
conditioned,
I'm
asking
you
to
volunteer
that
this
would
be
an
Exemplar
developed
with
great
examples
throughout
the
city
where
developers
have
chosen
to
go
the
extra
mile
so
that
they
then
have
an
Exemplar
development
that
can
be
held
up
and
people
can
be
attracted
from
all
around
the
country
to
come
and
see
what
you
can
do
in
a
site.
That's
got
the
constraints.
You've
got.
K
In
other
words,
you
would
acknowledge
that
there
are
constraints
on
this
site
and
so
I
would
have
thought
you
would
want
to
be
associated
with
having
an
Exemplar
development
that
went
over
and
above
the
minimum
so
that
people
would
say
yeah.
That's
the
this
company
have
shown
how
they
can
design
over
and
above
and
make
you
know
if
you
go
down
into
holbeck.
For
example,
we've
got
Energy
Efficiency
almost
zero
carbon
volunteer
voluntarily.
So
that's
the
sort
of
thing
have
you
thought
about
that
or
not.
T
Well,
because
this
scheme-
it's
certainly
in
my
view,
is
a
high
quality
scheme
of
very
good
standard.
It's
a
it
incorporates
high
quality
materials,
I
think
it's
well
designed,
including
all
those
buffers
and
areas
of
protection,
I,
think
it
is
an
exemplarsity
when
you
look
at
the
scheming
around
in
terms
of
its
position
for
Ecology
and
biodiversity.
Sorry.
M
Just
a
reminder
to
members
that,
as
per
the
recent
legal
training,
we
did
have
for
all
members
on
planning
committee
that
as
Marx
alluded
to
policy
compliance
is
all
we
can
require
and
is
the
minimum
that
can
be
given.
It
is
always
a
nice
chat,
there
are
nice
to
haves
and
there
are
always
nice
tabs
in
the
world
as
a
whole,
but
all
we
can
require
from
an
application
is
what
is
as
a.
K
Minimum
I
mean
yeah
I
totally
do
that,
but
what
I
I
haven't
seen
any
explanation
in
the
papers
today,
what
these,
what
the
minimum
compliance
standards
are?
What
are
they
introducing
to
meet
our
basic
guidance?
Our
basic
standards
I've
not
seen
anything
I,
just
wanting
them
to
explain
what
the
individual
I
mean.
The
air
source
heat
pumps,
for
example,
I,
didn't
see
anything
in
writing.
I've
now
been
told
that
which
I
acknowledge
and
that's
a
positive.
What
other
things
are
there?
You
know
Energy
Efficiency
water.
What
are
they
doing
about
recycling
water?
B
Yeah
just
to
allude
to
that,
it's
as
Mark
of
the
agent
was
saying
it's
a
fabric,
first
approach
in
terms
of
the
proposed
elevations
on
both
the
apartments
and
the
dwellings.
They
do
indicate
the
air
source
heat
pumps
on
the
proposed
plans
and
there
is
a
submitted
sustainability
statement
as
part
of
the
application
as
well
to
comply
with
policy
zm1
and
en2.
B
K
The
point
is
I've
been
asked
today.
We
are
being
asked
today
to
look
at
the
application
for
layout
scale,
appearance
and
Landscaping.
So
how
can
we
reassure
ourselves?
We're
told
that
it's
policy
compliant,
but
what
does
that
actually
mean
in
our
everyday
language?
What
is
you
know
because
you're,
the
Specialists
right,
you
are
the
experts
in
these
policies.
I,
don't
think
anybody
here
would
pretend
that
they
know
everything
inside
out
about
our
policies.
K
Well,
we've
got
no
idea
whether
en1
and
en2
are
finally
agreed
or
not
or
whether
or
not
a
compromise
is
reached
with
yourselves,
because
often
what
you
plan
just
now
will
change
by
the
time
you
get
the
satisfaction
of
the
conditions,
I'm
not
asking
you
to
come
back
and
tell
us
every
time
you
change
that.
But
that's
what
I'm
getting
I've
not
got
that
detail,
so
I
can't
make
my
decision.
B
Sustainability
statement,
which
we
assessors
officers
in
terms
of
the
fabric,
first
approach,
so
I
suppose
in
terms
of
the
measures
that
it's
a
fabric,
first
approach
to
increased
insulation,
energy
saving
measures
such
as
the
heat
pumps,
Etc,
which
forms
part
of
the
application
and
then
in
terms
of
implementation
on
site.
That's
implementing
in
addition
to
building
regulations,
which
is
the
separate
legislation
who
would
enforce
the
implementation
of
the
energy
measures
for
part
L
of
the
building
regulations,
so
that
that's
the
mechanism
to
ensure
that
those
measures
are
in
place.
B
N
Talking
about
the
affordable
housing
for
councilor
Anderson
as
well,
it
is
there
because
the
15
equates
to
10
dwelling,
so
that's
quite
clear
and
it
would
be
covered.
Obviously,
not
only
is
it
agreed
with
the
applicant,
but
it
would
be
covered
by
condition
ultimately
anyway,
so
it
is
there
and
I'd
have
to
just
make
it
clear
things
that
are
agreed
at
panel.
We
don't
regularly
go
away
and
alter
them
in
backhanded
ways
without
I'm
bringing
back
to
panel,
because
that
would
be
just
fatal,
quite
apparently
sure.
So
we
wouldn't
do
that.
N
A
But
the
question:
what
you're
asking
the
speaker,
the
officers
answer
it
and
your
assumption
things
you're
assuming
things
you
know.
So
you
are
agree.
You
are
allowed
to
ask
questions
and
answers.
Anderson
you're
allowed
to
ask
questions.
Answers
were
made
to
given.
If
the
answer
were
here
to
be
given
not
what
you
think.
K
I
am
lucky
that
I
am
I,
am
on
the
climate
emergency
Advisory
Group,
and
as
such,
we
discuss
a
lot
of
things
there
that
we
would
like
to
see
coming
into
the
city.
That's
where
my
knowledge
comes
from,
and
all
I'm
trying
to
do
is
at
that
this
particular
panel.
These
meetings,
we
are
asked
to
try
and
ensure
that
we
can
maximize
the
benefits.
That's
all
I'm
trying
to
do,
and
unless
someone
tells
me
what's
happening
instead
of
you
know,
it's
policy
compliant
well.
K
So
these
are
the
problems
that
we've
got
to
deal
with
on
a
daily
basis
and
all
I'm
trying
to
do
is
mitigate
against
them
happening
down
the
line
so
that
the
counselors
don't
get
inundated
with
complaints
from
the
new
residents
that
are
coming
here,
complaining
I
can't
get
off.
Last
time,
I
tried
to
drive
off
I
couldn't
get
past
the
entrance
because
there
were
people
parking
who
were
illegally
doing
it
because
they
were
down
at
the
reset
the
rodley
reserve.
You
know
these
are
the
problems.
K
F
Thanks
chair,
we
heard
from
the
Nature
Reserve
about,
and
we've
heard
from
the
officers
about
the
outflow
pipe
from
the
estate.
F
T
I'll
I'll
start
if,
if
I
may
just
to
go
back
on
one
of
Mr
Anderson's
points,
this
is
a
complete
100
build
to
rent
scheme,
so
Casa
by
Moda
will
be
effectively
the
landlord.
T
So
any
complaints
are
raised,
you
take
them
to
the
landlord
and,
if
they're
related
to
the
site
itself,
they
will
talk
to
the
tenants
and
if
it
relates
to
people
in
publicly
parking
associated
with
the
Nature
Reserve,
not
that
I
think
that's
likely
to
happen,
because
the
Nature
Reserve
is
past
the
site
and
they
have
car
parking
available.
T
But
if
that
did
happen,
clearly
the
the
landlord
would
take
it
out
with
the
Nature
Reserve.
So
I.
Don't
really
think
that
is
much
of
an
issue
in
terms
of
the
outful.
T
Well,
this
condition
that
requires
the
full
submission
of
drainage
details
to
be
agreed
with
the
council.
I
think
it's
condition.
20
I
could
be
wrong,
but
there
is
a
condition
there
that
require.
Is
that
so,
quite
you
know,
the
council
will
be
responsible
to
ensure
that
that
helpful
goes
down
there
and
I
have
no
reason
to
believe
that
that
won't
be
the
outfall
that
that
they
approve
I
can
see.
That's
completely
reasonable.
I
I
listened
to
Mr
Knapp
and
I
thought.
T
That
was
completely
reasonable
suggestion
in
terms
of
Mr
poise's
answer
to
the
bridge
question.
This
could
be
a
little
bit
longer.
U
Good
afternoon,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
yes,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
points
raised
and
I
will
try
and
answer
them
all
and
if
I
miss
anything
out,
please
ask
the
first
thing:
I'd
like
to
say
is
that
the
contract
is
still
ongoing.
U
There
are
workmen
on
site
and
the
bridge
is
at
this
moment
in
time
out
of
balance,
there
is
a
cantalage
that
that
is
applied
on
the
western
side
of
the
bridge,
and
at
this
present
moment
in
time
it
needs
additional
kentlage.
U
The
contractors
commissioned
and
received
a
3D
model
program
to
identify
exactly
where
the
additional
weight
needs
to
be,
though
those
steel
weights
are
presently
going
to
be
constructed,
cut
into
the
appropriate
size
galvanized
and
installed
once
that's
in
place.
The
force
that
is
presently
being
experienced
in
opening
the
bridge
will
be
alleviated
they're,
also
putting
in
handles
onto
the
wheels
that
you
will
see
on
the
bridge
when
you've
when
you've
been
which
the
original
designer
as
I
accepted,
probably
weren't
good
enough.
U
Now
there
was
talk
about
the
design
being
inadequate
when
I
started
on
this
bridge,
acting
on
behalf
of
dynamic
capital
in
2017.,
the
bridge
was
to
be
fully
automated.
U
U
The
designers
of
the
bridge
were
the
same
as
the
contractors
it
was.
A
design
and
build
contract
were
required
to
prepare
an
approval
in
principle
document.
What
this
does
is
it
sets
out
exactly
what
is
going
to
be
designed
and
to
the
standards
which
it
has
to
comply.
U
Those
standards
are
obviously
to
current
day
requirements
that
approval
in
principle
was
sent
to
the
engineers
of
Yorkshire
water,
canals
on
River
trust
and
Leeds
city
council
and
approved
the
bridge.
Design
also
requires
what
is
called
a
category
3
check.
That
is
a
check
by
independent
Structural
Engineers,
not
involved
in
the
scheme.
All
those
processes
have
have
been
achieved
and
gone
through
and
as
I
say,
those
standards
that
are
used
are
current
and
the
design
has
to
be
to
the
120
year
design
standard,
because
that
is
what
the
standard
requires.
U
There
is
a
gearing
system
on
the
bridge
which
has
been
designed
by
a
firm
called
Fairfield
engineering
who
are
subcontractors
to
London
Water
Services.
The
main
contractor
I
have
no
particular
expertise
to
be
able
to
say
whether
that
gearing
system
is
correct,
but
that
that
formed
part
of
the
AIP,
the
approval
and
principle
document
and
was
approved.
U
What
did
change
after
the
original
design
was
that
the
canals
and
River
Trust
requested
that
the
bridge
be
designed
for
impact
damage.
In
other
words,
if
a
barge
or
bolt
came
down
and
collided
into
the
bridge,
would
the
bridge
survive
the
current
Bridge
does
not
have
or
sorry
the
old
bridge
does
not
have
that
standard.
U
My
own
opinion
was
that
I
felt
that
was
a
reasonable
standard,
because
if
a
barge
did
hit
the
bridge,
it
would
remain
functionable,
so
it
would
remain
that
it
could
be
used
and
could
be
opened.
U
One
of
the
other
points
raised
was
that
the
bridge
May
Fail
and
that
that
is
quite
right-
it
could
fail,
but
there
are,
the
bridge
is
being
inspected
annually
for
all
operating
parts.
U
U
So
if
there
is
a
failure
on
the
bridge,
it
can
be
rectified
at
source
direct
from
a
computer
electrically,
and
the
bridge
can
still
be
manually
closed
in
the
event
of
emergency
to
allow
emergency
vehicles
to
go
through
those
things
that
I've
said
about
the
kentlage
the
handles.
There
are
also
some
more
signs
to
go
to
go
on
for
explaining
the
operation
to
the
voters
and
for
the
router
are
all
part
of
the
contract
which
still
has
to
be
completed.
U
Once
these
12-month
snagging
is
finished,
the
maintenance
agreements
that
were
made
in
the
collaboration
agreement
by
all
the
regulatory
authorities
will
be
in
place
and
that
is
already
has
been
sorted.
Fairfield
engineering
Solutions
are
already
in
place
to
be
able
to
take
on
that
situation.
U
I
can't
give
any
guarantees
about
the
design
or
the
installation,
because
it's
not
outside
my
roommate,
but
all
I
can
say
is
that
all
the
requirements
that
were
made
by
the
design
and
build
contractor
have
been
met
if
I've
missed
anything.
Please
ask
thank
you.
A
J
You
treat
thank
you
chair,
given
that
this
bridge
is
absolutely
crucial
not
only
to
the
residents
living
on
this
proposed
development,
but
also
to
visit
us
to
the
reserve
and
to
General
Public,
because
it's
a
very,
very
well
used
Bridge.
J
We
need
emergency
vehicles
over,
we
need
refuse
Vehicles
over.
We
need
delivery
vehicles
over
it's
going
to
get
some
hammer.
J
How
confident
are
you
that
it
will
maintain
its
its
lifespan
that
it
will
work
as
it's
supposed
to
work,
and
do
you
think
a
three-year
inspection
routine
is
sufficient,
given
the
the
vital
use
of
this
bridge.
U
It's
a
full
inspection
annually,
which
which
were
sorry
it's
a
full
inspection
annually
of
all
the
moving
parts
and
all
the
electrical
Parts
within
the
in
the
control
mechanism
and
the
control
unit,
which
is
greater
than
what
the
canals
and
River
trust
use
on
their
Bridges.
At
the
moment,
I
have
spoken
with
the
engineers
at
canals
and
River
trust
to
determine
a
reasonable
level
of
inspection
and
their
inspections
of
as
and
when
really
but
generally,
every
three
years.
These
inspections
are
every
12
months.
U
There
is
a
full
electrical
engineering
inspection
at
three
years
and
a
full
structural
inspection
every
five
years
that
those
requirements
have
been
set
out
in
the
collaboration
agreement
and
are
being
met
and
and
will
be
maintained
initially
by
Dynamic
capital
and
then
by
casimoda,
when
they
take
over
the
site
in
respect
of
the
life
and
design
of
the
bridge.
It's
very
difficult
for
me
to
comment
because
I've
not
been
party
to
that
design.
U
All
I
can
say
is
that
it
has
been
designed
in
accordance
with
the
approval
in
principle
to
the
current
standards,
it
that
has
been
checked
by
three
separate
regulatory
authorities
and
an
independent
check,
and
therefore
it
as
an
engineer
myself.
I
would
have
to
accept
that
that
is
fully
satisfactory
and
I
would
be
relatively
confident
in
that
that
it
would
achieve
the
relevant
120-year
design
life
and
operate
accordingly
with
the
appropriate
maintenance.
S
Yeah
there's
a
couple
of
things
you
did
so
when
we
were
talking
about
the
the
overflow
from
the
you
know,
the
surface
water,
the
drainage
from
the
site.
He
said
that
would
that
was
to
be
agreed
with
the
council
Etc,
but
obviously
broadly
Nature
has
ever
has
to
be
involved
in
that
consultation
and
has
to
be
involved
in
in
what
happens
with
that
and
where
it
actually
comes
out
into
the
river.
S
So
I
would
I
would
want
not
just
that
to
be
agreed
with
the
council,
but
for
the
Nature
Reserve
to
be
involved
in
that
as
well
to
ensure
that
it's
done
correctly
and
does
not
contaminate
the
the
the
water
which
is
is
feeding
the
the
Nature
Reserve.
S
The
the
I
I
I
I,
think
councilor
Smith
has
covered
a
lot
of
my
questions
about
the
bridge
and
I've
still
got
concerns
about
the
bridge
and
knowing
that
it
was
to
take
two
months
to
install
what
has
been
going
on
for
more
actually
remember
now
and
the
issues
that
have
been
involved
with
that
that
there
is
still
the
issue
as
you've
alluded
to
yourself
of
of
the
bridge.
S
Getting
stuck
and
not
being
able
to
to
close,
and
then
you
said
you
know,
yeah
we've
got
Parts,
it
can
be
fixed
easily.
But
what
happens
in
the
meantime?
Yeah
you've
got
parts
you've
replicated
the
parts
they're
in
storage
they
can
be.
They
can
be
used
to
repair
what,
if
that
repair
takes
a
day
two
days
three,
how
do
we
get
people
on
and
off
these
sites
or
I?
S
Still
we
don't
build
a
house
and
put
one
door
in
so
you've
only
got
one
one
way
of
accessing
and
out
we
put
two
dolls
in
to
make
sure
you've
got
another
exit.
So
what
what
are
we
doing
to
make
sure
that
people
are
safe,
because
I
still
have
a
lot
of
concerns
about
this,
about
people
accessing
and
exiting
the
site
safely
with
a
bridge
that
works
all
the
time?
We
know
it's
going
to
fail
now
and
again,
we've
talked
about
that.
T
Thank
you
councilor.
So,
in
terms
of
the
helpful,
my
client
has
regularly
had
discussions
with
the
Nature,
Reserve
and
I'm
sure
they
would
be
happy
to
continue
those
discussions
and
I'm
sure
they
would
be
happy
for
the
next
Reserve
to
be
fully
consulted
upon
any
scheme
when
it
comes
in
I'm,
not
entirely
sure
that
it
would
be
legal
to
put
in
a
condition
requiring
them
to
be
consulted.
T
But
we
have,
as
I
said,
consulted
thoroughly
with
them
in
the
past
and
happy
to
continue
Consulting
with
them,
regardless
of
whether
it
can
be
conditioned
or
not.
U
Okay,
just
answering
your
first
question:
counselor
the
length
of
time
and
I'm
not
here
to
defend
the
contractor.
I
have
had
a
lot
of,
shall
we
say,
heated
conversations
with
them
over
a
length
of
time
and
so
forth.
However,
I
have
mentioned
about
the
change
to
the
design
in
their
defense.
Shall
we
say
that
it
was
done
late
in
the
design
period
requested
by
the
canals
and
River
trust
for
Designing
the
bridge
for
impact?
U
What
that
meant
was
that
the
design
had
to
change
and
it
involved
improving
the
abutments,
which
required
piling
to
the
abutment,
which
was
an
operation
in
addition
to
what
was
before,
because
it
didn't
need
piling
and
the
abutments
became
greater
reinforcement
in
in
them
to
to
be
able
to
resist
the
force
and
create
the
wedges
and
and
the
force
then
transferred
through
the
abutment.
U
So
there
was
extra
operations
that
weren't
ever
weren't
envisaged
and,
of
course
the
bridge
became
heavier
to
be
able
to
accommodate
that
so
that
there
was
some
shall
we
say
excuses
for
want
of
a
better
word
why
it
took
longer
to
do
the
bridge.
I,
don't
wish
to
say
that.
That's
all
the
excuses,
because
it's
not
in
words
to
say
I've,
had
heated
discussions
with
them
over
over
the
situation
about
the
bridge,
getting
stuck
I.
U
Think
if
we
look
at
this
realistically
Bridge
Parks
will
wear,
they
will
very
unlikely
to
break
as
it
were,
because
if
you've
got
an
annual
inspection,
you
will
be
able
to
see
where
the
wear
and
tear
is
in
advance
of
a
failure.
But
one
of
the
reasons
why
at
the
bridge
wasn't
automated
was
to
ensure
that
we
could
manually
close
the
bridge
in
in
the
event
of
some
failure.
So
whilst
it
may
be
a
lot
more
Awkward
to
close
the
bridge,
it
will
be
able
to
be
done.
U
The
electrical
side
with
the
rotor
in
place
would
be
able
to
overcome
some
sort
of
failure
in
the
electrical
components,
which
is
the
barriers
and
the
wig
wags,
but
the
barriers
can
also
with
some
force
be
lifted,
even
if
the
electrical
part
is
is
has
failed,
so
I
think
the
the
concern,
whilst
not
this
diminishing
the
the
the
concern,
is
very
small
I
can't
say
anything
else
other
than
that.
Okay,
thank
you.
G
Why
is
an
all-rent
scheme
because
I'm
just
really
interested
in
to
know
why
that
is
happening
and
the
I
think
they
were
legitimate
concerns
about
the
nature
of
predation
from
cats?
But
you
know
a
lot
of
rental
schemes
actually
do
not
allow
to
have
pets,
so
is
that
what's
going
to
be
taking
place
on
this
application?
Thank
you.
A
T
To
answer
your
questions,
I,
don't
know
what
the
rent
will
be,
but
they'll
be
because
of
the
different
sizes
there
will
be
variable
rents
across
the
scheme.
My
client
casabamona
is
a
purely
built
to
rent
provider.
So
that's
the
only
thing
they
provide.
That's
why
this
is
a
hundred
percent
built
event
product
in
terms
of
the
potential
for
pets
on
the
site.
T
As
far
as
I'm
aware,
my
client
is
not
having
a
no
pet
scheme,
that's
why
they
are
proposing
a
2.4
meter,
high
fence
and
that
fence
has
got
a
lip
on
it,
so
it
stops
cats
climbing
up
so
initially
we
did
propose
I,
think
a
close
Board
of
fence
with
a
lip
on
the
top,
but
we
we
were
informed
that
cats
are
very
good
climbers,
so
it's
now
a
mesh
fence
with
a
lip
on
top
to
stop
cats
getting
into
the
next
Reserve.
A
T
S
Yeah
can
I
just
come
in
there
because
I'm
not
happy
with
you.
Actually
I
was
on
site
last
summer,
as
this
is
in
my
water.
I've
obviously
been
asked
to
be
removed
from
email
since
then,
because
of
the
obvious
reasons,
but
I
was
on
site
and
it
is
a
real,
a
real
issue.
The
cats
issue
is
a
real
issue,
because
you
know
it's
your
nature
reserve
and
it
will
cut,
and
that
was
raised
by
Jerry
and
others.
S
So
I
know
people
are
laughing
about
that,
but
it
is
a
genuine
concern
by
the
Nature
Reserve
that
we
have
to
have
that
fence
to
stop
the
cats
getting
in
it's
a
genuine
issue.
It's
absolutely
agree.
A
A
I
I
Can
you
just
for
my
benefit,
tell
me
exactly
where
if
all
the
works
are
done,
the
the
boundary
of
the
adoptable
or
the
adopted
part
of
the
highway
will
be.
There's
been
an
issue
in
relation
to
car
parking.
I
Are
we
saying
that
it's
policy
compliant
for
on-site
car
parking
I.E?
The
amount
of
car
parking
generated
by
the
development
can
be
accommodated
on
site
all
right,
and
can
you
just
clear
my
mind?
I
The
outline
application
in
2018
effectively
was
the
application
that
agreed
the
bridge.
I
C
The
extension
of
adoption,
as
you
look
at
the
the
the
new
we'll
call
it
the
new
road
along
Moss,
Bridge,
Road
and
I-
was
a
road
before,
but
it
was,
it
was
never
part
of
the
adopted
Highway.
The
adopted
highway
now
includes
a
very
thin
slivered
Slither
along
the
the
I'll
call
it
the
north
side.
C
Next
I,
don't
know
where
the
North
Point
is
on
there
to
allow
the
curb
line
and
a
little
bit
behind
it
to
go
in
and
on
the
other
side,
it
includes
a
two
meter
wide
footway
and
then
it's
adopted
from
Town
Street
all
the
way
down
to
the
bridge.
C
Right
so
you
see
the
thin
slitter
there
yeah
that's
adopted
it's
about
it's
about
this
wide
I
think
it's
probably
tarmac
now,
so
that
that
fills
in
the
gap
between
the
curb
and
and
the
existing
wall
there
and
then
down
this
side.
You've
got
a
two
meter
wide
foot
way.
C
That
goes
all
the
way
down
to
this
point
here,
where
it
ties
into
the
bridge,
so
there'll
be
a
bit
behind
this
footway,
because
it's
not
it's
not
a
constant
width
because
of
the
because
of
the
the
bend
in
the
road
there
that
curve
there
so
as
it
widens
out
there,
that
will
just
be
a
landscaped
area.
There'll
be
there'll,
be
a
wooden
knee
rail
that
goes
around
the
back
of
there
and
that
will
be
on
the
back
of
the
adopted
Highway.
C
On
the
opposite
side
of
the
canal,
I
mean
this
they've
been
dealt
with
differently.
This.
This
was
land
that
was
adopted
by
the
council
some
time
ago,
under
section
two
to
eight
agreement,
because
it
was
in
it
was
in
private
ownership
on
this
side
of
the
canal.
It
will
be
a
similar
thing,
it'll
be
from
the
bridge.
Then
there'll
be
a
section
38
agreement
to
adopt
the
internal
roads
and
footways.
A
I
I
C
But
your
question
about
car
parking.
Yes,
the
development
is
self-sufficient
in
terms
of
car
parking.
All
the
houses
have
two
parking
spaces,
which
is
the
expected
level
for
this
area.
The
the
apartments
have
one
space,
each
plus
a
couple
more
for
disabled
and
visitors,
I
believe
which
is
slightly
lower,
not
but
not
very
much
I.
Think
windy
would
probably
need
to
revisitor
spaces
to
to
be
fully
polish.
C
The
compliant
we've
got
one,
but
it
sits
within
within
an
adopted
Highway
Network,
that's
five
and
a
half
meters
wide
and
the
street
design
guide
allows
for
those
sorts
of
widths
to
to
accommodate
some
visitor
parking
anyway,
as
it
would
in
in
any
other
residential
area
really.
I
On
the
street
design
guide,
the
street
design
guide
also
has
suggestions,
I
think
for
how
you
might
design
a
road
Network
to
prevent
parking
on
the
pavement,
which
was
raised
by
one
of
the
one
of
the
people
who
spoke
to
us.
H
C
Well,
that
that's
the
million
dollar
question.
Isn't
it
that's
a
problem
all
over
the
place?
The
simple
answer
is
no,
because
people
will
park
where
they're
gonna
Park,
whatever
there's
no
there's
no
anti-anti-vehicle
measures
between
the
character
and
the
pavement
to
prevent
people
from
parking
on
the
pavement.
B
B
In
the
previously
approved
outline
the
replacement,
the
principle
the
placement
of
the
bridge
was
accepted,
and
that
was
subject
to
I
suppose
two
relevant
conditions
as
8
and
25
eight
was
a
implementation
strategy
about
how
that
would
be
implemented,
so
details
to
be
provided
Etc
prior
to
commencement,
which
they
were
I,
think
ultimately,
obviously
that
the
time
frame
within
that
condition
slipped.
So
that's.
B
Obviously
the
issue
which
has
created
quite
a
lot
of
content
are
in
with
the
reference
number,
shall
be
completed
and
operational
prior
to
First
occupation
of
phase
two
of
the
development,
which
is
this
outline.
So
in
essence,
if
that
bridge
is
not
fully
operational
or
fully
well
working,
I
suppose
how
you
define
working,
they
could
technically
be
in
breach
of
that
condition.
So
that
does
give
us
some.
J
First
thing
I'd
like
to
say,
is
that
I
actually
support
my
colleague,
councilor
Anderson,
insofar
as
the
report
didn't
tell
us
very
much
about
heating
types
and
things
like
that
or
EV
charging.
So
you
know
that
was
a
to
my
mind.
It
was
a
very
valid
point,
so
I
think
it
was
something
that
we
needed
to
know
when
we're
discussing
housing
and
things
so
just
a
point.
J
J
J
And
then
the
last
point
is
during
the
discussions
and
reading
the
papers.
I've
picked
up
on
at
least
three
areas
where
we
aren't
policy
compliant.
J
The
house
type
which
backed
onto
the
canals,
isn't
policy
compliant
the
parking
Arrangements.
Isn't
policy
compliant
and
the
on-site
Green
Space
doesn't
appear
to
be
policy
compliant?
So
could
you
look
into
those
for
me
please?
Thank
you.
B
Yes,
certainly
in
terms
of
I
suppose
it
may
be
be
prudent
for
the
speaker
to
the
applicant
sorry
to
just
highlight
further
bits
on
the
telecoms
communication
and
the
services
I.
Think
in
relation
to
my
knowledge,
I
think
when
the
bridge
was
installed,
there
has
been
provision
for
cabling
and
services
when
the
canal
was
dread.
B
So
when
the
water
was
drained
out
of
that
section
of
the
canal,
I
believe
the
services
have
been
initially
connected
up
to
allow
the
development
of
phase
two
of
the
site,
so
I
mean
not
being
technically
or
minded
in
terms
of
that.
I
believe
that
that
is
in
place
to
serve
the
development
on
the
second
part
in
terms
of
reading
what
I
bought
some
room?
B
What
I
harvesting
again
it's
something
which
could
feed
into
the
sustainability
statement
on
on
the
application
and,
if
needs
be,
we
could
also
condition
elements
for
yeah,
sorry
for
for
real
water,
harvesting
and
rain
water,
but
there
could
be
a
condition
imposed
if
members
are
minded
to
include
that,
within
the
the
permission
the
house
types
I
think
we
touched
on
this
on
site,
the
that
it's
acknowledged.
B
The
house
attacks
the
townhouse
types,
we're
looking
to
move
away
from
that
type
of
of
house,
given
the
context
of
the
area
and
the
Topography
of
the
land
that
there
are
a
number
of
factors
which
we
considered
at
the
time
why?
Those
were
suppose
on
balance
acceptable
with
negotiations
with
design
officers,
the
ones
which
are
but
to
the
canal.
Boundary
are
obviously
the
townhouse
type
dwellings
there
they've
been
designed,
because,
obviously
the
topography,
that's
as
a
changes
level,
so
the
back
Gardens
are
higher
than
the
front
garden.
B
B
Obviously,
when
when
they're
inside
those
properties
and
and
obviously
the
parking
relates
to
the
design
of
those
dwellings,
so
it's
a
consequence
of
the
design
of
the
dwellings
which
then
feeds
into
the
context
of
the
area.
I
think
if
you
know
the
development
and
context
of
that
area,
there
are
similar
character,
properties
and
and
dwellings
within
the
media
area.
So
they
were
designed
as
such
to
reflect
the
character
of
the
area
as
well.
Yeah.
J
G
Yeah
I
I
think
we
discussed
this
on
the
last
plans
panel,
but
I've
forgotten
what
what
makes
a
affordable
housing.
What's
the
criteria
again,
I
think
it's
something
like
there's
a
percentage
of
market
value
but
I
just
on
this
specific
one.
What
does
it
attain
to.
B
Yeah
so
there's
obviously
the
15
Target
for
the
Quantum
of
houses
on
the
site,
but
there's
there's
lower,
there's
lower
decile
and
quartile
rents,
so
in
terms
of
what
will
happen
in
in
terms
of
the
affordable
housing
that
will
be
given
over
to
a
registered
provider
and
then
split
between
those
dependent
on
need
and
the
policy
requirements
for
the
affordable
housing.
B
So
there's
a
15
requirements
of
10
units
have
been
identified
and
then
it
it's
like
say
you
are
correct
in
terms
of
the
rents,
it
there's
a
policy
compliant
policy
compliant
clients
requirement
for
lower
decile
rents,
which
is
obviously
weird
upper
split
between
the
10
dwellings.
A
J
Sorry
so
I've
got
I've
got
a
fair
few
comments,
so
apologies
for
this,
but
in
my
mind,
just
because
we
can
do
something
doesn't
mean
we
should
do
something
life's
got
no
guarantees.
But
given
the
details
that
we've
heard
today
and
the
stresses
added
stresses
to
this
bridge,
it's
a
fair
bet
to
say
that
it's
going
to
break
and
how
regularly
or
or
for
how
long.
We
don't
know
it's
an
unknown
quantity.
But
we
have
a
duty
of
care
to
each
of
those
residents.
J
Each
of
the
reserve
visitors
and
to
every
member
of
the
public
Who
currently
uses
that
bridge
added
to
that
we've
got
added
noise
and
light
contamination
or
light
pollution
to
the
Nature
Reserve,
which
we
haven't
discussed
and,
and
it
will
happen,
we've
got
the
the
problems
with
the
flooding
and
runoff
that
you
know
we
need
to
deal
with.
J
We've
discussed
several
areas
where
we're
not
policy
compliant
and
I
actually
think
there
is
a
an
element
of
over
development
to
this
as
well
so
they're.
My
comments.
Thank
you.
Thank.
K
K
You
know
why
the
two
standpoints
on
it
I
haven't
seen
enough
evidence
about
the
Energy
Efficiency
and
the
climate
emergency
to
justify
where
I'm
coming
from
concerns
over
the
Green
Space,
and
although
we
are
only
being
asked
to
look
at
layout
scale
and
appearance,
I
am
concerned
that
the
layout
will
lead
to
problems
in
terms
of
other
people
potentially
using
the
area,
and
they
conflicts
that
that's
going
to
give
whether
we're
meant
to
be
discussing
the
bridge
or
not.
We
cannot
ignore
the
bridges
there.
K
It
is
probably
the
most
important
piece
of
infrastructure
on
the
on
the
development
and
if
it
doesn't
work
everything
else,
you
know
like
anything
else,
it's
only
as
good
as
its
weakest
link
and
if
the
weakest
link
is
the
bridge,
the
development
itself
won't
work.
The
way
it's
being
designed
to
do
so
and
I've
also
got
a
number
of
other
concerns
about
lack
of
backup
contingencies.
It
says
in
the
under
the
officer
recommendation
and
any
other
obligations
considered
necessary
and
appropriate.
Well
I
think
we
should
be
putting
in
something
about
contingencies.
K
What
happens
we
heard
of
a
potential
contingency
to
get
people
off
if
necessary,
but
would
that
legally
be
possible?
Is
it
even
you
know?
So
we
need
to
look
into
that,
and
I've
also
got
concerns
that
the
potential
construction
plan
hasn't
been
thought
through
and
the
implications
that's
going
to
have
on
the
bridge
itself,
because
you
could
end
up
with
if
you've
got
a
lot
of
vehicles
needing
to
get
onto
the
site.
K
And
if
you
do
get
a
number
of
vehicle
number
of
barges
coming
through
in
the
summer,
it
could
be
open
shop,
open
shop,
open
shop,
and
you
know
you
know
you
never
know
what's
happening
and
the
more
you
use
something
the
greater
the
risk
of
it
breaking.
You
know,
use
it
once,
there's
a
percentage
use
it
twice
and
there's
a
greater
chance
of
it
breaking
because
the
probability
so
I
won't
be
able
to
support
this
application.
I
I
think
sure,
we've
with
the
best
rule
in
the
world,
the
the
residents
behind
me
who
may
not
like
me,
saying
this-
we've
slightly
drifted
off
the
detail
of
the
application.
That's
in
front
of
us
and
I
appreciate
that
there
have
been
a
number
of
issues
with
the
the
bridge
as
it
is
at
the
moment.
I
One
and
I
suppose
you
know,
as
a
asper
and
I
ought
to
declare
an
interest
because
I'm,
a
supporter
of
the
canal
and
rivers,
trust
I'm,
sending
the
money
on
a
regular
basis,
but
I
mean
I'll,
be
interested
in
Barry's
point,
which
is,
if
you
get
a
stream
of
barges
coming
through
in
the
summer.
I
It's
going
to
cause
problems
for
people
well,
quite
frankly,
I
would
say,
if
you
rent
a
house
at
this
location,
you
must
expect
that
when
a
bar
to
come
through
the
bridge
will
not
be
available
and
okay,
we,
we
all
understand
the
issue
in
relation
to
Emergency
Services,
but
they
don't
appear
to
have
raised
any
concerns
and
again
that
would
be
something
an
inspector
would
pick
up.
I
That
said,
I
think
actually
which
unfortunate,
because
we
didn't,
we
haven't
really
discussed
this,
but
I
think
there's
actually
quite
a
lot
wrong
with
the
application.
With
the
detail,
we've
been
asked
to
agree-
and
this
is
my
opinion,
so
we've
already
said
there
are
at
least
18
houses
on
here
on
this
on
this
development,
which
are
not
policy
compliant.
I
These
are
these
four-story
three-story
with
the
garage
at
ground
level
and
I
would
remind
members
that
Council
made
a
decision
a
good
number
of
years
ago
that
we
would
not
support
houses
which
effectively
had
blank
facades
at
ground
level
because
of
security
issues
and
if
you've
got
a
long
row
of
those
you've
got
a
long
row
where
nobody
is
overlooking
what's
happening
at
ground
level.
I
So
if
your
car's
parked
outside
your
garage,
which
nobody
ever
puts
the
car
in
the
garage
these
days,
then
you
can't
you
can't
see
it,
and
so
that
was
a
policy
issue
made
by
the
Council
on
safeguarding
grounds
and
I
can't
actually
see
any
good
reason
for
setting
that
side.
I
I
And
yet
the
design
of
the
layout
turns
its
back
on
the
features
that
really
recommend
the
site.
So
it
turns
its
back
on
the
canal,
because
it's
everybody's
Back
Garden.
It
turns
its
back
on
the
river,
because
it's
everybody's
back
garden
and
turns
its
back
on
that
that
wooded
area
on
the
on
the
road
down
to
the
on
the
road
down
to
the
Nature
Reserve
I
cannot
understand
why
we
couldn't
have
designed
it
a
way.
I
It
couldn't
have
been
designed
in
a
more
sympathetic
way
to
make
the
most
of
that
location
effectively
with
the
best
rule
in
the
world.
I
think
the
developers
decided
they
want
to
get
67
houses
on
here.
They've
got
a
standard
layout
and
okay,
we've
got
a
bit
around
the
outside
for
for
wildlife,
but
that's
not
how
you
should
be
designed
in
an
estate,
not
if
you
want
to
meet
our
current
policies.
I
They
are
pretty
bland,
okay,
let's
store
them,
but
they're
all
when
you
walk
around
the
estate,
you
don't
see
anything
different,
one
of
the
Beauties
and
those
of
us
who
represent
parts
of
the
city
with
old
developments.
What
we
know
is
that
if
you've
got
a
tourist
of
houses,
for
example
in
my
part
of
the
world,
they
were
all
built
at
slightly
different
times
by
slightly
different
buildings,
so
they're
all
slightly
different.
These
are
these
are
all
the
same
and
extracts
me.
The
block
is
particularly
Bland
and
uninspired
and
I.
I
Don't
think
it
meets
the
criteria
and
the
quality
that
we
should
be
asking
for,
and
I
wouldn't
just
raise
the
issue
because
I
usually
do
it
at
City
plans
in
relation
to
this
issue
about
parking
on
the
pavement.
I
Actually,
there
are
measures
Within,
the
street
design
guide,
which
tell
you
how
you
can
stop
people
parking
on
Pavements.
It
might
be
a
high
curb
and
it
might
be
a
Bollard
or
it
might
be
something
else
or
it
might
even
be
a
tree,
but
those
features
are
there
and
it
seems
to
me
that
we,
the
design
quality
of
this
particular
development,
is
not
high
enough
for
me
to
support
it.
I
I
think
the
bridge
issues
could
probably
be
overcooked,
but
it
might
take
a
while.
So
again,
I
I
can't
support
this.
But
for
those
reasons.
S
Don't
think
anybody
is
disputing
the
fact
that
this
has
outline
planning
permission
and
with
that's
already
been
agreed,
you
know,
so
we
know
that
this
is
already
had
that
permission
granted
to
build
these
houses
and,
and
so
we're,
not
I,
don't
think
anyone's
objecting
to
the
houses,
because
we
know
that's
already
there
and
as
you've
said,
if
that
went
to
the
inspector,
then
we'll
be
overruled,
because
we've
already
agreed
that
I
think
people's
concerns
are
how
this
development
interacts
with
the
surrounding
area,
because
it
is
a
fabulous.
S
You
know
when
you
look
at
there.
It
is,
it
is
amazing,
it's
a
you,
know:
it'd
be
a
fabulous
place
to
live
with
all
that
you
know
around
it,
but
I
think
what
we're
all
concerned
about
is
how
that
development
interacts
with
everything
around
it.
The
nature
reserve
the
curriculum,
the
bridge
Etc
the
parking
on
the
main
road
through
rodley,
and
then
this
issue.
This
issue
with
the
bridge
of
you,
know
the
the
bridge
malfunctioning
and
we've
got
people
standing
on
an
island.
So
not
none
of
us
I.
S
Don't
think
have
well,
we
know
we
that
we've
already
granted
outline
planning
permission.
We
know
that
it's
it's
these
other
issues
surrounding
it
that
we
wouldn't
be
very
responsible
counselors.
If
we
didn't
look
at
how
that
interacts
with
everything
that's
going
on
around
that
site
and
that
access
issue,
which
does
cause
problems
so
I
I,
don't
think
we
can
agree
on
for
those
Reasons
I'm,
not
saying
we
don't
agree
all
together,
but
I
think
we've
got
quite
a
lot
of
issues
that
we
just
need
to
resolve.
A
Agreed
any
other
comments,
but
before
I
asked
Steve
to
sum
up
highways,
is
it
allowed
for
car
to
park
and
pavement?
Because
what
consideration
are
there
for
partial
brand
young
people
working
in
pavement
elderly?
You
know
if
car
parking
pavement,
how
are
they
going
to
maneuver.
C
It's
parking
on
Pavements
illegal.
It
really
depends
where
you
are
in
in
some
places.
It's
illegal
in
some
places
that
you're
parking
on
the
pavement
itself
isn't
illegal,
but
partially
blocking
the
highway
can
be
construed
as
illegal.
So
it's
it
really
comes
down
to
how
it's
done
and
where
it's
done.
A
N
N
However,
there
is
a
a
motion
in
front
of
you
on
the
front
of
the
paper
which
the
only
addition
to
I
think
is
about
been
they're,
not
been
sorry
water
boards
as
an
additional
condition,
which
could
be
that
added
into
the
existing
sustainability
one
or
a
conditional
one.
So
I
think
you
do
have
that
in
front
of
you.
N
So
I
would
say
at
this
point:
it's
whether
anybody's
prepared
to
move
and
second,
the
substantive
Motion
Plus,
the
additional
conditions
for
the
water,
but
as
it
stands
and
if
that's
not
carried,
then
obviously
I'd
come
back
to
ask
the
members
as
to
where
we
would
go,
because
the
issues
that
I
picked
up
were
about
the
pavement
parking,
the
design
layout
to
respond
to
the
to
the
surroundings
and
not
happy
about
the
house
design,
so
I
think
first
year
it
would
be
to
go
to
the
substantive
Motion
Plus
that
additional
condition
and
see
whether
it's
actually
carried
okay.
N
F
Around
the
outlet
position
from
the
estate
because
estate,
the
fencing
off
of
the
ecology
buffer
before
as
Jerry
suggested
before
development
starts
to
actually
assist
the
protection
of
it
and
Jerry
also
mentioned
about
North
Saturday
and
Sunday.
Working.
F
And
there's
also
mentioned
I
think
it
was
both
councilor
Carter
councilor
Richie
said
about
potential
of
temporary
traffic
orders
in
the
neighboring
streets
to
protect
them
from
parking
for
the
vehicles
of
any
of
the
workers
on
the
development.
N
To
them,
there's
already
they
come
we've
already
discussed
and
as
I've
mentioned
right
at
the
outset,
that
we've
talked
to
the
gentleman
from
the
from
the
natures
of
about
the
the
location
of
the
outlets,
and
there
is
already
a
condition
on
for
a
full
drainage
scheme
to
be
submitted
to
and
agreed,
and
we've
already
accepted
that
we
would
involve
Jeremy
in
those
discussions
particularly
regard
the
outlet.
The
simple,
simple,
the
simple
answer
to
it
is
you've
got
to
make
sure
that
the
Outlet's
Downstream-
it's
not
it's
not
that
complicated.
N
So
we
understand
that
so
I
think
that's
covered
off.
There
will
be
perfective
fencing,
put
up
to
stop
any
encryption
into
the
ecology
areas
anyway
to
damage
the
trees
and
stuff.
Whether
we
could
alter
the
condition
to
ensure
the
fencing
for
the
cap
prediction
to
go
up
straight
away.
Is
that
already
on?
Let's
go.
I
N
B
N
Yeah
I
don't
know
whether
John
wants
to
respond
to
that,
because
this
is
about.
This
is
about
protection
for
the
construction
workers
potentially
parking
all
over
the
place.
Yeah.
There
is
actually
a
condition
on
about
the
compounds
being
provided
within
the
site
to
include
parking
for
for
the
heavy
vehicles
that
obviously
will
need
to
access
it
to
deliver
materials,
but
I
think
it
also
includes
car
parking.
Is
that
correct
for
the
for
the
workers?
But
I
don't
know
if
anybody
wants
to
add
anything
so
I
think
that's
there
as
well.
Council.
C
I'll
just
add
something
on
that
you
can
include
within
the
construction
management
plan,
that
the
developer
should
provide
parking
on
site
for
their
workers.
That's
that's
shouldn't
be
too
much
of
an
issue.
You
can't
prevent
specific
groups
of
people
like
that
from
parking
on
the
highway
where,
where
anyone
else
would
be
allowed
to
park,
it's
just
just
wouldn't
be
legal.
N
Do
you
understand
that
that,
although
the
provision
within
the
site
for
the
vehicle
for
the
vehicles
of
the
individual
employees
or
contractors
and
for
the
heavy
Goods
Vehicles
Etc,
that
will
need
to
do
it?
But
actually
we
can't
actually
put
a
tro
or
a
temperature
to
prevent
people
that
ultimately
are
just
car
drivers
from
actually
parking
on
the
streets
that
you
refer
to
apart.
C
You
could
put
down
a
temporary
tro
to
prevent
people
parking,
but
that
would
have
to
apply
to
everybody
for
temporary
residence
parking
scheme,
possibly
possibly
it
would
have
to
meet
the
criteria
for
residence
parking.
N
Just
because
we're
at
a
particular
point
in
this,
where
there
seems
to
be
sort
of
some
support
for
the
application,
ultimately,
would
it
be
appropriate
that
if
we
investigate
that
further,
because
I
think
we're
not
100
sure
by
that
reaction
and
actually
take
it
through
the
chair
as
to
whether
we
can
actually
agree
so
we'll
explore,
we
can
agree,
and
if
we
can
we'll
do
it
and
if
we
can
well
obviously
we'll
to
bring
it
back
through
the
chair.
E
I
I
think
a
lot
of
the
issues
that's
been
discussed
around
the
table
are
conditioned
or
about
big
condition,
but
the
one
that
Colin
raised
was
a
full
was
a
good
point.
I'm
sorry
I
wasn't
on
the
site
visit
and
you
probably
know
why
I
couldn't
walk
around,
but
it
the
blank
was
is
not
good.
Is
there
any
way
that
we
could
insist
on
some
windows
been
putting
in
there
or
some
alteration
you
know
leads,
have
a
history
of
turning
his
back
on
the
river
I
mean
there
was
a
famous
book
row.
E
Isn't
it
the
Inside
Out
back-to-back
City
that
turns
it's
back
on
the
river
and
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
it
continue
into
the
21st
century?.
N
Well,
that
particular
row
of
properties
we've
done
for
a
reason,
because
the
the
canal
is
significantly
higher
than
the
than
the
site,
so
there's
quite
a
drop.
So
it's
just
to
cut
to
take
into
account
the
the
falling
levels
and,
although
I
know
it
was
said
about
it
being
policy
regarding
no
overlooking
at
ground
floor.
There
is
a
row
of
houses,
opposite
that
do
a
two-story
that
face
onto
it,
and
we
thought
that
in
these
circumstances,
because
of
the
topography,
it
was
a
an
accessible
compromise.
N
Obviously
because
of
the
the
69
that
affected
me
agreed
by
the
previous
outline
that
we
could
accept
that,
because
there
is
overlooking
from
the
properties
of
the
other
side
of
the
street
coming
coming
in
that
direction
in
terms
of
passive
surveillance
in
terms
of
additional
Windows.
If
you
were
to
be
considering
a
redesign
of
the
property,
then
unfortunately,
would
end
up
in
a
situation
where
I
think
I'd
have
suggested
deferral.
N
If
there
were
specific
areas,
because
there
are
windows
on
those
properties
obviously
facing
on
the
canal,
although
it
is
the
patio
doors
at
ground
level
and
bedroom
windows
higher.
But
then,
at
the
other
side,
I've
explained
the
reasoning
behind
accepting
the
ground
floor
garage
with
just
the
access
point
which
just
to
take
into
account
the
topography
and
ultimately
to
to
to
help
the
developer,
I
suppose
to
achieve
somewhere
near
the
the
outlines
to
69
dwellings.
So
we
ended
up
with
67.
N
E
Just
to
follow
up
on
that
point,
I
mean
I've,
there's
only
two
of
us
who've
raised
it.
So
we
need
to
know
that
the
panel
was
in
favor
of
that
before
we
progress
it.
I
guess.
N
There's
any
further
response
on
that
particular
point
because,
as
I
say
we're
at
a
point
where
there
seems
to
be
potentially
General
support
for
the
the
emotion,
but
with
these
some
of
these
additional
conditions
attached,
but
that
one
particular
Point
really
perhaps
ought
to
be
debated
or
considered
now
as
to
whether,
if
as
a
panel,
felt
that
strongly
that
we
had
to
defer
it
to
further
negotiations.
N
But
of
course,
I'd
say
that
would
lead
to
probably
significant
revisions
of
the
whole
whole
layout
within
the
site
and
I
have
to
say
whether
you
like
them
or
not,
actually
they're,
not
that
one
typical,
because,
as
you
walk
down
that
Canal
path
and
you
get
further,
there's
a
group
of
locks
that
looks
semi-derlic
to
be
quite
Frank.
You've
actually
got
that
exact
situation
in
terms
of
the
backs
of
the
properties
onto
the
canal.
N
Because,
if
you,
if
you
think
about
it,
the
other
way
around
it'd
be
nice
to
have
the
front
facing
onto
it.
But
then
you're
facing
on
the
sort
of
a
main
activity
to
the
entrance
of
those
properties
onto
the
canal.
Tow
path,
which
is
probably
not
the
the
right
thing
and
then
you've
still
got
to
do
something
with
the
ground
floor
at
the
bottom,
with
those
properties
simply
because
of
the
topography.
So
it's
it's
a
difficult
one.
N
I
Well,
I
appreciate:
we've
got
to
try
and
defend
what
we've
got
in
front
of
us,
but
I
I.
Think.
If,
if
you
remember
I
started
off
by
saying
actually
I
think
the
layout's
wrong
and
if
the
layout's
wrong,
then
it's
it
it's
possible
to
change
the
the
types
of
houses
where
they
are
you.
I
This
area
is
really
interesting,
because
it's
interesting,
you
say
if
you
walk
footed
on
the
canal.
There's
some
more
rubbish,
but
I
I've
noticed
over
the
years
that
this
that
Corridor
by
the
side
of
the
canal,
when
I
first
got
well
I
last
got
on
the
council
in
2004..
I
Almost
the
entire
length
was
employment,
size,
old
factories
of
one
form
or
another,
and
over
the
years
they've
been
knocked
down
and
I
was
my
I'm
minded
by
my
favorite
one,
which
is
Airedale
key,
which
is
a
nice
investment,
a
nice
development.
And
if
you
look
at
that,
you
think
to
yourself
Adele
key.
That
means
there's
a
landing
stage
next
to
the
canal.
No,
the
reason
you
can't
get
near
the
canal.
The
houses
are
built
in
such
a
way
that
there
is
absolutely
no
access
to
the
canal
whatsoever
and
you
raised
it.
Didn't
you
about.
I
We've
consistently
turned
our
back
on
the
river
and
the
canal.
I
thought
we'd
move
beyond
that.
I
thought
we
got
to
the
point
where
we
were
saying:
let's
celebrate
that
element
of
it,
so
you
know
I
think
the
the
layout
needs
fundamentally
altering
I've.
You
know
we
it's
going
to
be
a
housing
site,
come
on
they're
going
to
be,
let's
face
it
because
we're
given
permission,
they're
gonna,
be
60
odd,
dual
in
solid,
but
we
might
as
well
get
them
right,
because
this
is
a
very
key
location.
I
think.
N
I
understand
councilor
Campbell's
criticism
there
that
the
comments
that
he
made
were
actually
made
in
the
comments
section
which
led
to
him
saying
that
on
that
basis
he
couldn't
support
it.
So
therefore
I
wasn't
taking
it.
That
was
something
that
was
necessarily
going
to
be
pursued
by
the
the
panel
in
Turtle.
Hence
my
reference
to
this
seem
to
be
general
direction
to
supporters.
That's
why
I
said
that.
J
Thanks
chair
we're
here
again:
aren't
we
we've
got
a
best
city
ambition
and
we're
not
pursuing
it,
and
you
know
I
think
there
is
enough
voices
around
this
table
during
the
comments
section
to
say
that
we
need
to
to
have
the
vote
for
the
substantive
motion
see
how
that
goes,
and
then
I
think
that
we
will
probably
be
putting
an
alternative
proposal
together
and
I.
Think
that
that's
the
way
we
need
to
move
chair.
Thank
you.
E
It
was
very
quick.
It
was
the
point
that
Colin
raised
and
I've
spoken
on
it.
You
did
say
that
it
had
to
be
the
third
for
it,
but
couldn't
we
just
put
it
to
the
applicant
to
look
again
and
if,
if
it's
in
line
with
what
people
think
around
the
table,
we
could
roads
in
favor.
We
I
think
talking
about
it.
We've
overcome
most
of
our
own
objections,
as
we've
talked
it
through.
N
Not
really
councilman
again
because
what's
been
suggested
about
the
the
house,
ties
would
lead
potentially
to
a
fundamental
redesign
and
if
it's
a
fundamental
redesign,
I'm
sure
you'd
want
to
bring
him
back
here
to
discuss
it
to
make
sure
we've
got
the
right
thing,
but
on
top
of
that,
you
know
in
circumstances
we're
trying
to
turn
the
fronts,
particularly
with
a
drop
like
this.
You
probably
end
up
with
a
road
along
the
between
the
the
canal,
turbo
path
and
the
fronts,
because
that's
obviously
how
Maui
operates
so
I
I
think
really.
N
We
need
to
see
if
anybody's
prepared
to
support
the
the
substantive
motion
and
if
that
should
be
carried
with
the
additional
conditions
fair
enough.
But
if
it's
not
obviously,
then
I
think
it
is
to
defer,
because
we
need
to
have
a
proper.
We
need
to
understand
from
yourselves
exactly
what
the
issue
is
with
the
designs
and
then
we
would
have
to
defer
it
to
discuss
that
further
with
the
applicant
and
try
and
try
and
accommodate
your
concerns.
N
One
two
three:
four,
so
that
that
motion
is
not
the
substantive
motion
to
approve
as
it
as
it
is
in
the
officer
recommendation
with
the
additional
conditions.
So
what
worried
out
now
chair
is
obviously
for
clarity
as
to
what
alterations
we
want
to
officers
to
discuss
with
regards
the
the
layout
and
Design.
I
Well,
at
this
point,
we've
got
two
Alternatives
or
we
could
accept
Jim's
idea,
which
is
effectively
to
say,
though
we
probably
can't
do
that
now,
because
we
brought
it
against
it.
We
defer
this
for
further
negotiations
with
the
developer
to
take
into
account
everything.
That's
been
said
this
afternoon,
so
I'll
ask
I'll,
ask
a
legal
question:
could
we
do
that.
I
If
I
propose
that
we
defer,
we
defer
this
for
an
appropriate
period
of
time
for
officers
to
have
further
negotiations
with
the
developer
around
the
points
that
have
been
raised
by
all
the
members
this
afternoon.
I
If
you
remember
I'm
I'm
trying
the
fishes
out
of
a
hole
here,
I'm
doing
my
best
I
think
I
mean
you
know.
The
developer
must
have
heard
everything
that's
been
said.
I
Officers
have
heard
everything
that's
been
said,
they've
been
all
range
of
things,
a
number
of
the
things
we've
discussed
if
I'm
brutally
honest
and
not
relevant
to
this
application
and
I
wouldn't
expect
you
to
go
away
and
negotiate
on
on
that,
for
example,
but
I
think
from
my
point
of
view
and
members
might
wish
to
chip
in,
but
from
my
point
of
view,
I
think
the
layout
design
needs
to
be
looked
at.
I
The
non-policy,
compliant
housing
needs
to
be
looked
at.
I.
Think
a
couple
of
people
have
raised
the
issue
about
the
Green
Space
contributions.
I
I
I
think
we
we've
accepted.
Haven't
we
that,
in
effect
the
the
water
Outlet,
that's
that's
a
given,
that's
a
given
and-
and
it
seems
to
me
that
that
part
of
the
layout
design
they
could
look
at
how
they
might
prevent
inappropriate
parking,
which
appears
to
be
an
issue.
I
N
J
Sorry,
sorry,
is
there
any
way,
I
know
that
it's
already
probably
been
dealt
with
at
the
outline,
but
is
there
any
way
to
add
in
some
negotiation
around
the
impact
on
the
wider
Highway?
Because,
obviously
that's
that's.
That's
a
massive
concern.
N
No
we've
gone
past
that
point
I'm,
afraid
councilor
Smith,
so
I
got
a
second
I've
got
layout
and
the
design
which
was
merely
about
responding
to
the
the
canals
on
the
river
better.
N
The
design
been
about
some
of
the
some
of
the
window
layouts,
particularly
on
the
three-stroke
four-story
properties.
The
non-policy
compliant
house
types
is
about
the
the
the
sizes.
Basically,
isn't
it
I
think
if
that's
the
type
so
so
it
comes
to
the
housing
mix.
Ultimately,
doesn't
it
the
green
space?
One
I
just
want
to
bring
Mike
on
this
a
little
bit,
because
my
understanding
I
know
the
re.
Sorry
man
I'm
dropping
it,
but
the
another
request
from
Council
Richie
for
50
000
pounds.
N
But
my
understanding,
if,
if
I'm
not
going
to
be
corrected,
is
that
actually
the
green
space
is
policy
compliant,
but
then
we
are
getting
additional
monies
which
actually
we're
not
really
in
a
position
to
insist
upon,
but
it's
almost
a
gratuity
for
one
of
a
better
description,
so
I
I,
I
I,
think
I
need
to
urge
caution.
If
Mike
can
just
support
me
in
that,
and
then
that's
correct
and
then
props.
That's
a
Pippa
about
whether
we
should
be
pursuing
that
at
all
by
any
mind
or
we
are
supposed
to
be
achieving
his
policy.
N
Compliance
I,
know
the
aspirations,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
know
it.
It
creates
some
probability
issues
I.
Think
in
my
mind,
because
we've
had
this
discussion
before
about
sites
where
you
know
an
applicant
could
almost
be
seen
to
be
buying
a
permission
by
offering
such
sums
of
money
when
they're
not
actually
required.
I
Well,
for
our
benefit,
can
we
get
the
drawing
up
so
that
you
can
outline
to
me
the
public
open
space
on
site,
as
opposed
to
the
effectively
extension
to
the
Nature
Reserve,
which
is
really
what
we're
talking
about
by
the
side
of
the
river?
In
that.
B
Yeah,
just
to
sort
of
I
suppose
outline
that
the
Green
Space
requirements
that
we've
tried
to
act
like
that
within
the
report,
I
think
that's
from
17
one
on
woods
and
I.
Suppose,
as
I
said
in
the
initial
presentation,
it
was
a
hybrid
approach
in
that
the
approved
outline
consent.
The
Green
Space
Quantum
was
established,
which
is
delivered
via
this
layout
through
and
disappointed.
B
It's
basically
through
what
we
would
consider
a
hybrid
approach
which
again
is
outlined
within
the
report
through
the
areas
at
the
back
of
the
proposed
apartment
block
and
obviously
the
area
is
up
towards
the
top
of
the
site.
The
issue
we
have
with
this
application
that
again
through
negotiation
with
the
world
members
which
Reserve
various
other
parties,
is
that
ecology
in
essence
took
precedent
over
the
Green
Space.
B
Hence
why
this
on-site
delivery,
but
not
necessarily
A
conjoined
area
of
Green
Space,
because
if
that
was
the
case
again,
looking
at
a
re-layout
would
have
to
be
conscious
of
not
eating
into
any
of
the
ecology
buffers,
because
the
ecology
buffers
were
approved
on
as
a
indicative,
planner
outline
stage
as
well.
So
hence
why
the
the
quantum
is
compliant.
I
Yeah
it.
It
strikes
me,
though,
that
the
the
the
space
behind
the
block
of
flaps
is
in
effect
the
space
for
the
for
their
for
the
flats.
Isn't
it
it
didn't
really
publicly
available
now.
I
do
understand.
I
do
understand
that
you
can
buy
out
the
Green
Space,
but
I
think
I
think
I'd
like
to
know
that
we
were
actually
getting
something.
What
we
were
getting
in
return,
because
simply
a
step
where
you
could
spend
it
on
the
local
park
is
probably
not
very
good.
B
I
I
I
appreciate
that
it's
complicated
but
as
I
say,
the
on-site
Green
Space,
which
we'd
like
to
maximize
one
area
that
you're
telling
me
makes
it
policy
compliant
actually
is
effectively
the
majority
of
the
residents
couldn't
get
at
it
and
therefore
it's
about
saying
we
need
to
make
this.
The
space
that's
on
site
was
publicly
accessible
and
actually
a
meaningful
space,
and
you
know
the
grass
Verge
at
the
entrance
you
know
is
green,
but
it's
not
really
immunity
space.
It's
the
bit
that
they
couldn't
put
a
house
on.
I
Let's
be
honest:
okay,
but
if
you're
doing
that,
if
you
Rio,
if
you,
if
you're
looking
at
the
layout
which
we're
asking
you
to
do,
then
you
can
look
at
where
the
green
space
is
within
that
layout.
I
I
We,
you
don't
have
to
defend
the
position
that
we're
in
at
the
moment.
What
we're
really
saying
is
just
we
need
to
have
a
conversation
around
this
and
that's
it
and
it
would
seem
to
me
the
easiest
thing
to
do
is
to
say
yes,
counselor
and
off.
We
go.
K
On-Site
this
morning
we
were
told
specifically
that
that
site
you
just
identified
there
was
not
publicly
accessible,
but
we
were
you
know
when
we
were
in
a
group
discussing
it.
We
were
specifically
told
that
was
not
publicly
available
now.
If
it
is
publicly
available,
then
the
site
visit
was
wrong.
If
it
is
probably,
you
know,
so
one
of
the
two
of
them
is
wrong.
Either
we
were
told
this
morning
on
site.
It
wasn't
publicly
available
you're
now
saying
it
is,
which
is
it
it.
B
It
is
publicly
accessible,
but
we
we
had
negotiation
with
policy
officers
regarding
that,
because,
obviously
again,
looking
at
the
mixed
approach
that
those
apartment
blocks
need
an
area
of
private
amenity
space,
but
that
would
not
specifically
be
cut
off
from
The
Wider
development.
So
in
essence
you
could
go
into
that
development
and
access
that
area
of
green
space
at
the
back
of
the
amenity
block.
So
you
in
theory
you
could
get
there,
but
it's
it
was
unlikely.
I!
Think
that's.
N
Trying
to
bring
it
to
a
conclusion,
because
wrapped
up
and
trying
to
obviously
stay
members
in
the
right
direction
in
terms
of
the
probability
of
all
the
discussions
I've
got,
we
had
the
condition
regarding
the
the
water
books.
We
would
then
defer
the
next
application
for
further
discussions
with
the
applicant
regarding
the
layout
and
design
and
the
potential
non-com
policy
compliant
with
the
house
types
the
Green's
supposed
to
be
more
meaningful,
but
there
was
a
there
was
this.
H
D
Because,
obviously
the
bridge
is
taken
over,
they
all
are
discussion
where
we
should
have
been
looking
at
the
design
and
Etc
whether
we
were
happy
with
it.
The
house
type
Etc,
and
so
that's
why
it
has
to
be
deferred
and
come
back
and
I'm.
Saying
I'm.
A
D
Because
I
won't
come,
I
will
not
come
if
we're
gonna
go
on
about
the
bridge
again.
Yes,
we
we
all
can
foresee
accidents
and
things
in
the
future.
But
you
know
at
this
moment
in
time:
I
think
it's
all
being
explained
and
and
it's
gonna
have
to
go
forward
and
they're
gonna
have
to
ensure
that
it's
it's
done
right
and
obviously
the
other
everybody
else
as
as
Adder
say
about
the
bridge.
So
when
it
come
back,
can
can
we
I'm
requesting,
if
not
I'll,
be
poorly.
N
Sorry,
Council
Hamilton
without
being
flippant,
I
didn't
want
to
discuss
the
bridge
at
all
today
to
me,
but
but
yeah
I
understand
your
point
completely
and
hopefully,
by
the
time
it
comes
back
to
members,
the
bridge
is
operating
better,
so
yeah,
so
I've
got
I've
got
I.
Think
we
understand
Mike
and
I
between
is
about
the
layout
and
design
the
non-pository
complaint
of
the
house
types
Green,
Space,
not
meaningful,
and
to
look
at
measures
to
prevent
unpavement
parking.