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A
A
North
and
east
plans
panel
deals
with
applications
from
the
north
east
and
the
east
of
the
city.
The
aim
of
the
panel
is
to
hear
all
the
relevant
information
from
applicants,
members
of
public
and
Council
offices
to
help
members
of
the
panel
to
make
their
decision
could
I
now
invite
members
and
officers
to
introdu
introduce
themselves
and
mute
your
microphone
once
you
have
introduced
yourself,
I
start
from
the
left.
B
A
K
Chair
agenda
item:
one
there's:
no
appeals,
a
gender
item;
two
there's
no
exempt
items
agenda
item:
three:
no
formal
letter
items
agenda
item
four:
can
members
declare
any
interests?
Thank
you
and
then
a
gender
item.
Five
apologies
from
Council
Stevenson
today
and
we
don't
have
a
substitute
for
him
and
another
teacher.
A
A
B
Thank
you,
chair
yeah.
This
item
is
regarding
two
actual
applications
that
are
in
at
the
moment
both
Reserve
matters
applications
relating
to
two
parts
of
the
East
Leeds
extension.
They
are
a
reserve
matters,
application
for
residential
development
made
by
Taylor,
wimpy
and
Reserve
matters,
application
made
by
applicant
called
column
land.
B
The
the
report
is
presented
as
a
position
statement,
so
officers
are
not
seeking
to
make
a
recommendation
on
the
contents
of
the
report
at
the
moment,
and
members
will
note
from
having
looked
at
the
papers
that
there's
a
series
short
series
of
questions
throughout
the
report
and
repeated
at
the
end,
to
facilitate
discussion
on
the
various
issues
that
are
raised
through
the
the
processing
of
this
application.
B
The
the
purpose
of
seeking
the
position
statement
is
to
facilitate,
with
the
ongoing
negotiations
with
the
developer
in
order
to
hopefully
accelerate
the
the
final
determination
of
these
applications
and
moving
them
forward
chair.
So
you've
just
got
some
updates.
Since
the
writing
of
the
report.
B
We
have
received
six
letters
from
individuals
three,
each
for
representing
each
Reserve
matter
application.
So
that's
three
letters.
Each
application
and
these
letters
are
seeking
a
desire
to
see
the
use
of
Swift
bricks
installed
in
each
of
the
houses
and
for
the
uninitiated.
These
are
Hollow
bricks
with
small
holes
in
them
to
allow
Swifts
and
other
small
birds
to
Nest.
B
So
this
request
is
drawn
to
members
attention,
as
it
doesn't
form
part
of
the
actual
development
at
the
moment,
and
this
request
has
also
been
drawn
to
our
attention
by
councilor
Gibson,
as
part
of
representations
that
he's
made
at
also
all
the
representations
received
from
councilor,
Lennox
and
counselor
Gibson
have
both
set
expressed.
Opinions
regarding
the
mix
of
dwellings
and
I'll
refer
members
to
question
two
in
the
report
in
with
regards
to
this
particular
item.
In
summary,
they
consider
that
the
affordable
houses
should
be
better
represented
in
the
larger
housing
size.
B
That's
three
or
four
bedroom
properties.
Councilor
Gibson
has
highlighted
that
he
has
been
contacted
primarily
by
families
containing
five
to
six
members
who
are
living
in
two
bedroom
properties
in
support
of
the
representation
he's
making,
and
it
currently
keeps
the
north
Outdoors
attention
to
the
aims
and
objectives
of
becoming
a
marmot
City,
and
that
this
development
sits
behind
swarcliff,
which
Falls
within
the
10
multiplied
neighborhoods
of
Leeds,
and
it
should
provide
a
clear
opportunity
to
support
that
existing
Community
to
develop
their
economic,
social
and
cultural
resources.
B
So
turning
attention
to
the
contents
of
the
report.
Can
we
move
these
slides
on
please?
The
remote
doesn't
seem
to
be
working.
B
Thank
you.
The
the
this
is
the
the
the
layout
that
is
contained
in
the
reserve
matters
applications
it's
a
single
layout
for
the
two
Reserve
matters,
the
just
by
way
of
explanation,
the
the
North
Point
is
actually
facing
to
the
left
of
the
screen,
as
as
you
are
looking
at
it,
I've
added
orientated
through
90
degrees,
simply
so
that
the
whole
scheme
can
be
seen
in
the
landscape
format
rather
than
if
we
point
in
portrait,
it
would
be
very
small
indeed
not
that
it's
not
already
small
in
that
scheme.
B
So
South
is
to
the
right
hand.
Side
of
the
screen
and
North
is
to
the
left-hand
side
of
the
screen,
so
just
so
that
you
can
get
your
orientation
in.
In
terms
of
that
respect,
the
the
Taylor
wimp
application
is
for
250
dwellings
and
the
colon
land
side
proposes
44
dwellings.
Given
the
combined
title
of
Circa
294.,
there's
a
mix
of
Housing
and
flat
proposals
to
be
provided
in
two
different
character
areas.
B
The
southern
section
of
the
site
adopts
a
more
contemporary
design
approach
for
the
housing,
with
larger
format,
Windows
no
head
silly
or
seal
details
to
give
a
modern
appearance
and
including
the
use
of
brick,
and
render
splits
and
flat
roof
canopies
over
front
doors.
The
second
character
area
in
the
northern
section
of
the
site
is
more
traditional,
includes
the
use
of
heads
and
cells
and
greater
focus
on
single
use
of
brick,
pitched
roof
canopies
over
front
doors
and
more
symmetrical
window
sizes.
B
Detailed
work
went
into
the
master
plan
as
part
of
the
outline
for
the
middle
quadrant
and,
as
such,
relatively
detailed
proposals
were
Advanced.
At
that
stage,
key
components
of
the
outline
master
plan
included
the
position
of
the
site
of
the
spine
road,
which
was
to
be
treated
tree-lined
and
the
establishment
of
which
actually
sort
of
defines
the
areas
that
are
capable
of
development
and
the
retention
of
the
Woodland
area
to
the
west
of
the
former.
B
Sorry
to
the
West
End
of
the
former
leads
to
Weatherby
Railway
line
and
in
delivering
good
East
to
westlings,
including
the
need
to
integrate
with
the
new
British
cautionary
law,
which
is
the
bridge
we
stood
on
this
morning
at
the
site,
visit
and
and
also
existing
Crossings
over
cockbeck
and
the
detail.
Proposals
for
both
Reserve
matters
application
very
closely
followed
the
guiding
principles
they're
set
out
in
the
outline
master
plan
and
SPD.
B
The
proposals
include
the
provision
of
45
to
45,
affordable
houses,
15.3
percent
and
compliance
with
the
nationally
described
space
standards
is
achieved
for
all
those
types,
with
the
exception
of
one
house
type,
which
accounts
for
five
units
in
total
in
terms
of
accessibility,
accessible
housing,
256
dwellings
are
identified
to
be
m42
compliant
and
which
we
create
requested
to
90.1
percent
and
26
would
be
M
for
three
compliant
which
equated
to
8.8
percent.
B
So
turning
to
the
matters
that
form
part
of
the
reserve
matters
looking
at
layout,
appearance
and
scale,
this
slide
shows
a
a
general
approach
to
the
the
design
and
the
external
appearance
of
the
various
house
types
and
the
flatty
development
and
is
presented
for
from
Members
viewing
and
consideration.
B
As
you
can
see,
the
details
on
there
are,
as
described
in
in
my
introduction,
and
this
slide
seeks
to
show
what
the
general
Street
Scenes
across
the
estate
would
would
appear
like
just
human
planning.
Permission
eventually
is
granted
so
in
respect
to
layout
appearance
and
scale.
B
B
Video
for
you,
but
offices
are
just
still
in
this
in
discussions
with
the
applicants,
ironing
out
relatively
minor
issues
identified
in
the
layout
and
details
of
detailed
matters
of
design
and
in
respect
to
this,
our
draw
to
members
attention
question
one
which
we'll
get
to
at
the
end
is:
do
members
have
any
comments
and
respect
to
the
layout
and
appearance
of
the
dwellings,
including
the
concept
of
two
different
character
areas
in
respective
housing
mix.
B
The
figures
reproduced
in
the
report
are
paragraph
48
show
that
if
the
one
and
two
bed
properties
are
considered
together,
then
the
targets
are
met
and
the
report
goes
into
more
detail
in
order
to
justify
this
approach
and
members
attention
is
drawn
to
question
two
in
this
respect,
turn
into
affordable
housing
and
the
issue
raised
already
raised
by
the
board
members.
45
units
are
provided
across
the
two
application
sites
which
meet
the
policy
H5
requirements
in
terms
of
percentage
local
board.
B
Members
have
already
reported
have
raised
concerns
that
larger
properties
should
be
included
in
the
affordable
housing
provision
against
the
applicant
stands
that
there
is
Need
for
smaller,
affordable
units
to
cost
to
Market.
More
generally
offers
have
already,
however,
raised
this
with
the
applicants
and
are
in
discussions
with
them
to
seek
to
improve
the
mix
of
affordable
housing
that
is
currently
on
Alpha
and
members.
Attention
is
drawn
to
question
three
in
this
regard
in
respective
houses
for
Independent
Living.
B
This
is
exceeded
in
terms
of
the
levels
to
be
provided
on
the
submitted
drawings
in
respect
of
minimum
space
standards,
as
I've
already
made
reference,
five
units
do
not
appear
to
meet
the
internal
space
standard
to
set
out
in
policy.
H9
and
officers
are
in
discretion
with
the
applicants.
Regarding
this,
in
simple
terms,
the
message
given
to
the
applicants
is
that
there's
no
excuse
not
to
meet
or
exceed
these
standards
for
all
the
properties
in
the
development,
given
it
to
pretty
much
a
Greenfield
site
and
members
attention
is
drawn
to
question
four
in
this
regard.
B
Landscaping
the
landscape
in
master
plan
submitted,
seeks
to
protect
the
existing
main
Woodland
situated
between
the
dish
used,
Railway
and
cockbeck.
Additionally,
a
linear
landscape,
Wildlife
Corridor
running
along
the
western
boundary
and
adjacent
to
cockbecky's
proposed
and
would
link
into
similar
proposals
submitted
as
part
of
the
adjoining
residential
development
to
the
north,
also
included
within
the
wider
landscape.
B
Proposals
is
provisioned
for
three
Suds
attenuation
basins,
which
will
be
which
will
include
Wetland
medal
mix,
planting
and
Aquatic
marginal
planting
tree
planting
is
indicated
along
the
entirety
of
the
spine
world
and
some
is
shown
on
the
roads
off
the
spine.
World
connections
in
an
East-West
direction
is
shown
with
connections
to
the
stanx
estate
to
the
west,
and
there
are
eight
in
total
local
play.
Areas
indicated
on
the
layout
across
the
site.
B
I
have
some
pictures
provided
by
the
developers
in
terms
of
the
the
provision
of
the
suds
just
for
members
information.
They
obviously
are
artistic
Impressions,
but
the
idea
the
assurances
that
we've
had
is
that
they
are
to
be
permanently
wet
in
terms
of
their
provision
so
that
they
don't
dry
up
tune
the
summer
season,
except
obviously
in
times
of
severe
drought
but
ordinarily,
the
idea
is
that
there
would
be
a
feature
as
presented
in
the
slides
before
members.
B
Now
a
pump
station
is
indicated
and
overlooked
by
plots
is
indicated
at
and
overlooked.
By
plot,
one
two,
seven
and
one
two
eight
on
the
layout
and
offices
are
various
concerns
in
terms
of
immune
immunity,
impact
that
this
will
have
and
additional
information
is
awaited
from
the
applicants.
In
regards
to
this
again,
members
attention
is
drawn
to
question
five
in
regards
to
Landscaping.
B
B
Sorry,
that's
just
another
example
of
such
provision
for
members
attention,
but
the
Copenhagen
star
coffins.
There
are
several
examples
that
the
applicants
have
provided
us
with
examples
of,
and
these
are
to
be
provided
through
the
through
the
site
layout
in
order
to
facilitate
and
improve
on
pedestrian
safety.
B
B
This
is
the
southern
side
boundary
with
Leeds
Road
shown
prominently
on
the
right
hand,
side
they're,
going
up
to
the
junction
of
Leeds
Road
with
e-law,
so
that
that's
the
southern
boundary
of
the
site
and
where
the
access
to
the
site
will
actually
be
taken
from
into
the
spine
Road
and
then
at
the
Footbridge,
which
already
goes
across
the
elor
Road
I've
taken
a
series
of
photographs.
B
This
one
faces
pretty
much
due
south
and
members
can
see
the
cycle
way
in
there
and
the
fields
beyond
the
fence
and
obviously
to
the
right
top
right
hand.
Part
of
that
picture
is
the
application
site
facing
south
the
the
trees
in
the
distance
form
part
of
the
existing
treed
area.
That
is
up
for
protection
as
part
of
the
must
plan
for
the
Landscaping
proposals,
and,
if
you
imagine
turning
clockwise
heading
towards
north,
this
is
a
selection
of
photographs
from
that
Central
Point
that
that's
the
belt
of
trees.
B
That
goes
across
part
of
the
site
to
provide
the
the
footpath
link
through
from
the
stanx
estate
and
also
from
the
existing
footpath
that
runs
on
the
far
side
of
the
application
side
and
then
we're
starting
to
head
looking
North
over
the
fields
to
the
north
with
leads
in
the
backbone
there
until
we
get
to
the
the
final
slide,
which,
as
you
can
see,
is
facing
almost
due
north
with
the
road
on
the
right
hand,
side
and
the
the
northern
boundary
of
the
site
being
pretty
much
the
the
top
edge
of
the
field
that
can
be
seen
in
that
photo.
B
So
it
is
on
that
basis
that
we
commend
to
the
off
to
the
members
the
questions
that
are
reproduced
at
the
end
of
the
report
and
to
open
this
awkward
discussion.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
But
thank
you
in
accordance
with
our
protocol
for
public,
speak
speaking
at
the
plans
panel
I
understand
we
have
a
couple
of
speakers:
a
local
board
member
Council,
Pauline
Graham
and
the
Agent
Mark
Johnson.
So
if
he
can
come
to
the
top
table,
please-
and
both
of
you
have
four
minutes
each
to
address
to
the
panel
when
you're,
ready.
A
Yeah,
just
for
the
information
to
the
members,
the
reason
I've
given
eight
minutes
to
both
speakers.
Normally,
we
divide
four
minutes
between
numbers
of
speakers,
because
there
are
two
applications
on
this
before
or
so.
Each
application
can
have
up
to
four
minutes.
O
O
I
chair,
The
consultative
Forum,
that's
been
since
2012
we've
had
and
we've
worked
very
well
with
the
developers
and
the
residents
come
and
the
the
concerns
from
The
Forum
are
about
the
size
of
the
affordable
properties
and
support
of
council
lennox's
comments
and
also
the
retention
of
the
green
areas.
O
So
I
think
that's
really
it.
But
the
thing,
the
affordable
properties
are
our
main
issue
and
also
when
you
go
into
the
new
developments,
you
can
always
pick
them
out
because
they
are
different,
smaller
lumped
together.
So
it's
the
size
of
the
properties
and
retention
of
the
green
areas.
A
You
Council
Graham
any
questions:
two
Council
grams,
three
Sharp.
E
Thanks
Jay,
just
in
terms
of
housing
mix,
I
mean,
as
you
know,
I
work
in
the
constituency
office,
so
I
see
deal
in
a
casework
that
comes
in
in
terms
of
housing
mix.
I've.
Never,
we've
never
had
casework
where
somebody
has
said
the
one:
a
two-bedroom
it's
more
often
than
not
a
three-bedroom
or
a
four
bedroom,
there's
a
lot
of
big
families.
As
you
know,
you
know,
you've
lived
around
there
for
years
yourself,
and
so
do
you?
E
Do
you
think
that
there
needs
to
be
more
larger
homes
in
the
housing
mix?
E
O
Counselor
I've
gotten
CNN,
sorry
I
did
say
that,
and
it
is
the
size
yes,
because
obviously
a
two-bedroom
property
is
okay
for
people
who
have
downsized
years
ago,
that
used
to
be
at
families.
Who've
grown
up
and
their
parents
are
on
their
own,
are
elderly
people,
but
it's
definitely
the
size
and
that's
the
thing
we've
said
right
from
the
beginning
regarding
the
size
of
the
properties.
A
Thank
you.
Cancer
Hazelwood.
J
And
yeah,
it's
it's
on
the
it's
on
the
affordable
mix
of
two
bed
and
three
bed
as
you've
said
because
I
that
all
our
kids
were
comes
in,
it's
people
asking
for
three
bed
houses.
Even
if
it's
a
family
of
four
and
you've
got
a
boy
and
a
girl.
You
need
a
three
bed
house:
it's
not
just
large
families,
so
we
get
a
lot
absolutely
as
councilors
across
the
city.
We
get
a
lot
of
requests
for
this,
so
I'm.
J
Just
looking
at
the
report,
the
affordable
mix,
which
is
only
45
houses
out
the
full
development
there's
33
two
bed
and
or
an
a
three
bed.
So
this
I
was
basically
saying
we
want
that
reversed
or
is
there?
Is
there
a
figure
that
you're
looking
for.
O
Well,
really
we'd,
like
them
all
to
be
three
bedrooms,
but
we
definitely
want
more
larger
properties.
The
bedrooms
and
I
can't
see
any
reason.
Why
not
and
it's
an
area
that's
been
Green
Space
for
years.
So
they've
got
permission
to
do
that,
so
it
should
be
done
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
public
and
everybody
else,
but
we
definitely
need
larger
properties.
A
P
What
is
it
there?
We
go
sorry
just
to
clarify
chair.
It's
eight
minutes,
yes,
and-
and
obviously
you
know-
we've
been
here
many
times
before,
not
just
with
this
particular
application
through
the
outline,
but
I
think
members
will
remember
us
most
recently
as
the
same
team.
P
The
roof
tax
in
effect
is
applied
to
every
property
and,
in
this
particular
case
for
the
middle
quadrant,
something
in
the
order
of
22
000,
pound
per
plot
is
paid
back
to
the
council
in
order
to
pay
for
the
construction
of
the
Elon
road.
So
we
are
working
within
a
degree
of
financial
constraint
on
this
particular
site
and
for
those
that
have
just
looked
at
the
layout
on
the
the
screen
above.
P
What
I
would
like
to
remind
them
is
that
perhaps
the
middle
quadrant
is
the
most
difficult
part
of
the
whole
of
East
leads
extension,
because
the
middle
quadrant
is
the
most
narrowest
and
it's
the
bit
that's
the
longest,
with
virtually
the
fewest
houses
in
it.
So
without
doubt
it's
been
a
challenge
and
within
that
middle
quadrant
we've
got
in
effect
three
corridors.
We've
got
a
green
space,
Corridor
we've
got
the
housing
element
which
is
quite
narrow,
and
then
we've
got
the
spine
Road
and
the
spine
road
is
something
which
is
significant
in
its
width.
P
We
note
that
there
are
comments
that
have
been
made
working
with
the
council
with
respect
to
design
and
what
I
would
say
is
that
we've
made
hundreds
of
design
changes
to
individual
dwellings
and
window
sizes
and
the
the
orientation
of
the
dwellings
and
all
of
the
comments
that
have
been
made
by
the
council.
Design
team
have
been
welcomed,
and
hopefully
those
changes
have
may
be
made
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
council.
Accepting
that
there's
a
few
more
tweaks
to
be
had.
P
Reference
has
just
been
made
to
the
affordable
housing
mix.
Clearly,
we've
got
Financial
pressures,
but
that's
not
to
say
that's
not
to
say
that
we
can't
make
changes.
Very
mindful
in
conversation
is
that
when
we
produced
four
bedroom,
affordable
dwellings,
quite
a
few
of
the
housing
providers
is
never
that
Keen
because
they
consider
them
too
large,
and
we're
also
very
mindful
is
that
within
the
housing
schmar
document
is
that
the
greatest
demand
is
in
the
two
bed
dwelling
in
the
affordable
requirement.
P
However,
it's
not
to
say
that
we
cannot
take
a
look
at
that
element
of
two
feet:
two
bed
and
three
bed,
and
possibly
four
so
with
the
greatest
of
respect.
That's
something
that
we've
just
had
a
conversation
with
for
us
to
take
back
space
standards
is
referenced
in
the
report.
We
think
we've
now
resolved
that.
So
when
we
come
back
with
an
amended
schedule,
it
was
on
one
property,
type
and
I
think
the
the
anomalies
was
no
bigger
than
the
table
and
I'm
sat
at
in
terms
of
space
standards.
P
So
it
wasn't
about
providing
very
small
dwellings.
It
was
actually
a
minor
matter
that
we
can
now
resolve
open
space.
It
clearly
there's
been
a
discussion
about
open
space
in
the
position
of
the
public
open
play
areas
within
the
report.
P
So
hopefully,
members
in
our
office
is
rather
satisfied
with
the
parking
elements
and
what
we've
sought
to
do
through
the
design
changes
is
that,
whilst
we've
met
the
parking
standards,
we've
sought
to
hide
the
parking
areas
search
out
cars
and
park.
Cars
are
not
dominating
the
street
scene
numbers
overall,
we
started
at
297
in
these
two
applications
we're
now
down
at
294..
We
think
we're
there
with
thereabouts,
but
there
are
some
design
tweaks.
P
The
southeast
corner
is
that
something
that
we're
currently
looking
at
access
into
the
apartments
is
something
that
we're
looking
at
minor
changes
to
the
Landscaping,
the
Copenhagen
Crossings.
For
anybody
that
wants
to
ask
us
a
question
about
that.
We
are
currently
looking
at
as
part
of
the
roads
that
come
off
the
spine
road.
We
don't
see
that
they're
a
problem
in
terms
of
the
other
material
that
was
referenced.
We've
submitted
discharge
of
conditions
and
with
respect
to
the
two
applications
we've
got
chair.
P
There
are
over
100
conditions
to
discharge,
and
one
of
those
or
two
of
those,
because
it's
duplicated
is
the
bird
in
the
back
boxes
and
therefore
we
don't
see
that
Swift
boxes
as
part
of
the
delivery
of
bird
and
bat
boxes
is
going
to
be
a
problem.
So
that's
it's
a
condition
matter,
rather
than
a
reserved
design
matter.
P
Sustainable
construction
hasn't
been
mentioned,
but
again
carrying
through
some
of
the
principles
that,
whether
we
this
will
again
be
a
no
gas
scheme,
so
in
effect
we'll
be
likely
working
from
air
source,
heat
pumps
and
then
very
finally,
on
the
basis
that
we
are
coming
back
to
committee,
although
it's
always
nice
not
to
come
back
if
we
don't
need
to.
But
if
we
are
coming
back,
it's
a
respect.
P
It's
a
request
that
we
come
back
no
later
than
August
and
the
reason
for
that
is
that
the
changes
that
are
left
are
very,
very
minor
and
that
Taylor
Wimpy
have
got
a
desire
to
be
on
site
this
year.
In
fact,
they've
got
precious
notwithstanding
the
problems
in
the
housing
market
and
the
mortgage
availability,
but
they're
going
to
need
to
be
on
site.
P
J
Hi
yeah
I
am
Council
linux's
support
exec
member
for
housing.
So
you
would
expect
me
to
ask
some
questions
just
to
declare
that
before
we
start
great,
that
using
SRC
pumps,
that's
brilliant.
No
gas
I'm
really
really
impressed
with
that
spit
on
the
space
standards
now
resolved,
which
is
great.
It's
I've
got
a
couple
of
things
on
the
on
the
housing
mix
and
so
on.
The
housing
mix
we've
obviously
got
45
affordable
units
out
of
294.
J
Now
what
I'm
looking
at
is
obviously,
unless
I've
missed
something
and
I've
only
just
gone.
These
plans
from
South
and
West,
so
I
might
have
not
seen
something
in
the
past.
I
haven't
seen
where
the
houses
will
be.
The
housing
mix
will
be
of
honestly
in
the
plans
as
in
this
is
the
plot
kind
of
thing.
What
I
would
want
to
see
is
the
affordable
houses,
pepper
potted
in
between
the
other
houses.
What
we
don't
like
is
a
group
as
counselor
Paul,
councilor
Graham
referred
to.
J
You
know
we
don't
like
to
see
a
a
plot
of
affordable
houses
and
then
other
houses
over
here.
So
one
of
my
questions
is:
will
there
you
know
we
want
to
see
those
pepper
potted
around
and
the
and
I'm
glad
to
see
that
you
have
taken
on
board
the
affordable,
because,
although
the
report
may
say
that
there's
a
big
demand
for
two
beds,
affordable
houses,
we
know
from
our
experience
as
caseworkers
councils
as
I
said
that
we
are.
J
P
What
you'll
find
is
that
there
are
several
small
clusters
of
affordable
all
the
way
up
through
the
site
and
when
I
talk
about
clusters,
there's
a
handful
of
affordables,
largely
close
to
one
another,
but
within
a
street
of
of
Market
dwellings,
and
the
reason
why
they're
just
clustered
slightly
is
for
management
reasons
in
effect,
so
the
housing
associations
like
them
to
be
contained
together
and
just
to
confirm.
Q
J
Was
on
it
was
on
socially
rented
housing,
so
you
just
you
just
come
on
to
that,
because
one
thing
one
thing
that
we
we
did
want
to
see
on
this
is
the
social
rented
housing
amongst
the
affordable.
So
what
because
we
know
that
what
we
need
is
a
mix
of
the
two.
We
need
rented
and
affordable
to
buy
and
across
the
city.
We
need
that,
but,
after
speaking
to
council,
Lennox
the
the
area
that
we're
looking
at
particularly
needs
houses,
socially
rented
houses
as
well
as
their
fault.
J
P
You're,
saying
60
of
of
the
45
dwellings
is
currently
proposed
of
the
affordables
will
be
social
rented,
but
I
understand
that
the
Housing
Association
in
effect,
yet
to
control
all
of
them,
even
the
intermediate
but
yeah
60,
and
then
there
was
a
reference
made
to
appearance
as
well.
Is
that
the
appearance
of
this
of
the
affordable
dwellings?
If
it's
a
two
bed
or
a
three
bed
affordable,
it
will
look
exactly
the
same
as
a
two
bed
and
three
bed.
Market
dwelling.
I
Oh
thanks,
chair
I'll,
listen
very
carefully
to
your
answers
from
Council,
Hazelwood
and
clearly
those
are
the
concerns.
I
think
that
concerns
most
people
around
the
table
and
you
see
people
are
sort
of
really
really
well.
We
haven't
really
discussed
Landscaping,
but
I
think
perhaps
reinforcement
of
the
Landscaping
buffer
is
something
also
should
be
considered.
I,
just
wonder
which
your
timetable
you
presented
that
you'd
like
to
be
back
here
in
August,
which
is
really
a
short
turnaround.
That
could
happen
I
guess,
but
it
is
a
short
turnabout.
I
But
having
said
that,
if
all
the
issues
was
resolved
around
the
table,
would
you
accept
conditions
to
so
we
could
consider
maybe
approving
it
to
Nature
I,
ask
officers
to
consider
that,
but
I
mean
you,
we
seem
to
be
pushing
on
an
open
door.
To
be
quite
honest,
so
you
know
it
seems
to
me
that
if
we
can
agree
around
the
table
today,
then
it
doesn't
have
to
come
back
to.
P
I
think
chairing
in
conversation
here
and
listening
to
the
debate
about
affordable
housing
in
the
mix.
I
think
we
probably
think
it
better
that
we
do
come
back
because
it's
going
to
be,
we
need
a
conversation
with
a
housing
provider
so
rather
than
take
a
condition
on
something,
as
as
delicate
and
as
as
I
say,
financially
difficult
is
that
where
we
are
with
the
scheme
as
a
whole,
we'd
like
to
come
back
as
I
said,
that's
not
saying
we're
not
making
changes,
but
I.
P
We
haven't
gone
into
the
detail
on
the
Landscaping,
but
the
Landscaping
is
absolutely
extensive
and
it
runs
all
the
way
down
the
cockpit
Corridor
and,
to
some
extent,
on
the
other
side
of
the
development.
As
you've
seen
in
your
site
visit
today,
you've
got
the
Landscaping
Corridor
a
v-law,
so
in
effect,
what
we've
actually
got
is
actually
a
very
small
amount
of
housing
which,
between
between
two
very
large
Landscaping
corridors,.
D
P
Councilor,
it's
the
city-wide
Shema,
but
equally
the
city
weishma
breaks
it
down
into
the
11
sub-areas.
So
you
can
actually
look
into
the
schmar
to
see
what
is
the
need
for
each
of
the
sub
areas?
What
you'll
find
is
that
there
is
without
doubt
the
greatest
demand
in
affordable
dwelling
for
two
bed
and-
and
you
know
that
that's
just
there
as
a
figure
but
we're
not
saying
that
there
isn't
a
great
demand
for
three
bed
in
affordable
either.
P
D
Where
I'm
coming
from
on
that
one
is
that
when
the
Shema
was
done
was
years
and
years
ago,
and
we've
moved
on
and
leads
to
a
beautiful
badge,
what
doesn't
matter
what
you
think
about
it,
but
it
just
the
circumstances
have
changed
and
also
knowing
you,
you
will
have
done
a
lot
of
research
in
terms
of
figures,
because
when
you're
telling
you
and
I
have
Crossed
Swords,
you've
produced
information
and
you've
done
your
studies.
So
what
is
the
local
study
saying
about
demand?
Now
you've
heard
what
the
local
Ward
members
are
saying.
P
I
think
counselor
is
at
our
research
is
still
telling
us
and
I
have
to
say.
This
is
why
it'd
be
nice
to
come
back
with
a
little
bit
of
an
expert
from
the
housing
provider,
but
our
understanding
is
that
it's
still
largely
two
bed,
three
bed,
quite
you
know
potentially
one
bed,
but
but
but
even
four
bed,
but
the
four
beds
we're
getting
an
understanding
from
the
rsrs
they're,
not
particularly
Keen,
because
of
the
size
and
the
difficulties
with
over
provisional
bedroom
numbers.
Q
J
Think
if
I
can
just
make
a
comment
on
councilor
understands
that
I
think
that
it's
the
fact
that
there's
33
two
bed
and
only
eight
three
bed
I
think
that's
where
the
problem
is
so
it.
You
know
we're
not
saying
there
isn't
demand
for
two
bed,
but
I
think
we
need
to
equal.
That
number
out
more
than
it
is
at
the
moment
is
what
I
think
we're
saying:
yeah.
A
I
think
after
hearing
from
from
yourself
and
the
board
members
and
it's
good
to
see
and
you
in
fact,
you
have
just
said
that
you've
got
a
really
good
relationship
with
the
with
the
offices
and
also
the
the
ward
members
have
been
working
with
yourself
for
for
a
number
of
years
and
I
think
if
we
can
find
a
way
and
I
absolutely
agree
with
all
those
who
have
spoken
with
regards
to
the
three
bedrooms
and
four
bedrooms:
I
represent
little
London
city
center
and
Hyde
Park
part
of
the
city,
and
there
is
a
high
demand
in
my
neck
of
the
world
and
I'm
sure
this.
A
This
issue
is
across
the
city
and
if
you
can
come
up
with
something
the
board
members
are
asking
for
and
and
we
can
work
together,
the
way
you
guys
have
been
working
together
and
I
think
we
will
be
in
a
in
a
very,
very
good
position.
All
of
us.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
for
your
time
this
afternoon.
A
Can
I
now
ask
the
members
to
ask
any
question
to
the
officers.
D
A
comment
specifically
about
this
development:
it's
just
if
we
would
consider
something
we
on
site
this
morning
we
talked
about
the
need
to
try
and
improve
tree-lined
areas,
and
we
weren't
specifically
talking
about
the
red
line
site
that
the
developers
responsible
for
we
were
making
reference
to
the
elor
and
I
know
that
David
went
away.
He
got
some
further
research
done
now.
Whilst
acknowledging
the
research
that
he's
passed
on
to
me
and
I
asked
that
officers
go
away
and
look
and
see
is
there
any
more
trees
could
be
planted,
we've
planted
I
think.
D
Is
it
33
000
or
something
like
that,
which
is
an
extensive
number,
but
from
where
we
were
standing
watch
on
the
bridge.
The
looters,
though
there
were
a
large
bits
of
grass
area
and
green
area
that
could
be
utilized
for
tree
planting,
and
we
are
aware
that
some
communities
are
rebelling
against
tree
planting
and
if
we're
wanting
to
maintain
our
targets,
is
there
anything
more
we
can
do
so.
D
N
That's
fine
counselor,
we're
talked
to
highways
and
parks
and
Countryside
and
see
what
scope
there
is.
A
Move
on
to
the
six
questions
which
are
before
you
and
I'll
ask
David
to
go
through
with
those
questions
and
they'll
sum
me
up
at
the
at
the
end
of
the
year
question
session.
N
Right,
thank
you
chair.
So
the
first
question
is:
do
members
have
any
comments
in
respect
to
the
layouts
and
the
appearance
of
the
dwellings,
including
the
concepts,
the
new
different
character
areas?
There
is
an
opportunity
here
for
members
to
make
comments.
We've
got
John
Stoddard,
our
design
officer
here
was
that
were.
Were
there
any
comments
that
members
wish
to
make
or
are
members
generally
content
with
what
they've
seen
in
terms
of
an
approach.
A
I
Think
the
answer
to
that.
Yes,
we
are
generally
content
with
the
different
character
areas
and
the
quality
of
the
housing
yeah.
J
Yeah,
it
was
just
the
comment
that
I
made
just
about
the
the
pepper
potting
of
the
affordable,
which
I
think
the
developer,
as
has
kind
of
Taken
on
board,
and
has
said
you
know
that
will
be
done,
but
that,
just
just
to
you
know
to
make
sure
that
that's
done
yeah.
That
was
my
only
Christmas.
N
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
we'll
take
those
away
then.
So
the
second
question
is:
are
there
any
comments
members
wish
to
make
in
respect
to
the
housing
mix?
And,
yes,
we
picked
up
on
those
comments
about
the
members
have
made
about
the
housing
mix
and
the
balance
and
we'll
take
those
away
and
talk
to
the
developer
about
that.
N
Third
question
is:
are
there
any
comments?
Members
would
wish
to
make
in
respect
to
the
affordable
housing
provision
propose
and
again
we
pick
up
on
the
pepper
potting
and
on
the
the
issue
of
the
bedroom
sizes
and
the
housing.
The
housing
mix
in
terms
of
question
four
are
members
in
agreement:
that's
all
units
should
meet
the
minimum
internal
space
standards.
I
think
the
answer
to
that
is
yes,
but
the
the
applicant
has
demonstrated
that
they
said
they're
amend
the
schemes,
so
the
those
are
met.
N
Do
members
have
any
comments
in
respect
to
the
Landscaping
proposals.
I
think
councilman
Kennedy
are
essentially
saying
you
just
wish
to
see
more
information
in
in
that
respect.
So
if
I
understood
that
correctly
yeah,
but
we
do
have
a
strategic
proposal-
that's
been
been
put
forward
and
we'll
we'll
draw
that
out
next
time,
we'll
bring
that
to
to
members
and
question
six.
Are
there
any
other
matters
that
relate
to
the
scope
of
consideration
of
these
applications
that
members
wish
to
raise?
D
I
do
think
it
will
help
in
sound
attenuation
as
well,
and
it
will
also
affect
help
the
visual
immunity
of
the
people
who
are
living
facing
towards
that.
They
won't
necessarily
see
that
large
fence
over
time.
The
trees
will
hopefully
mature
and
they'll
get
a
far
better
view
from
their
houses.
That's
where
I'm
coming
from
in
that.
N
A
F
It's
sort
of
tangential
in
a
way,
but
I
get
quite
a
lot
of
views
expressed
to
me
about
the
the
traffic
on
the
e-law
and
the
the
speed
of
the
traffic
and
the
noise
of
the
traffic.
So
I
just
wondered
whether
the
trees
more
trees
would
help
on
the
spine
road,
but
but
also
where
the
highways
could
look
at
that
as
well.
I
think
it's
one
of
the
consequences
of
a
new
road
that
seems
to
be
used
a
lot
by
Joy,
Riders
and
so
on.
A
C
I
yeah
I
mean
I'll
report
that
back
I
mean
you
know.
There
is
a
speed
limit
of
50
miles
an
hour
on
the
lower
Road
and
I
know
that
there
is
some
police
enforcement
out
there,
but
I
don't
think
at
the
moment.
C
It's
somewhere
that
that,
like
safety
cameras,
are,
are
proposed
at
this
moment,
but
that
could
change
without
now
I'm
monitoring
the
speed
of
the
traffic
you
know,
so
it
is
something
that
is
on
is
being
monitored,
but
I
think
as
cancer
Anderson
said,
and
so
as
as
it
becomes
more
used.
It
won't.
You
know,
as
as
the
East
Los
Ascension
gets
built
out
and
there's
more
traffic
on
the
road.
It
will
become
more
difficult
for
that
kind
of
use
as
a
racing
track.
F
Questions
yeah
I
I,
just
it
was
interesting
I
some
highways
people
were
putting
up
some
signs
where
I
live
for
20
mile
an
hour,
speed
limit
and
he
lived
in
skulls
and
he
he
drew
up
to
my
attention
that
the
speeding
traffic
was
really
critical
there,
but
also
there's
going
to
be
a
fixed
speed.
Camera
on
the
stunningly
bypass
I
think
so
maybe
that
could
be
a
consideration
for
highways
to
look
into
sooner
rather
than
later.
Maybe.
A
It's
a
good
point:
I
can't
see
anyone
else,
so
we'll
move
on
to
item
eight
and
just
for
the
for
for
the
for
the
information
of
public
this
morning,
I
wasn't
at
the
site
meeting,
as
as
many
of
you
are
aware
that
we
are
celebrating
Eid
today,
so
I
was
in
the
I
was
in
the
mosque
at
10
o'clock,
so
I
couldn't
make
the
decide
visit
so
we'll
we'll
move
on
to
item
eight.
H
H
So
this
is
a
planning
application
which
has
been
brought
to
plants
panel
for
extensions
and
alterations
to
an
existing
dwelling,
including
a
number
of
associated
Works
in
respect
of
landscaping,
parking
areas
and
an
access
road.
And
it
follows
a
request
from
councilor
Jane
Dawson
from
Chapel
Alton
Ward,
supported
by
councilor
Al
garthwaite
from
head
in
the
united
Park
Ward.
H
H
Thank
you.
So
the
site
is
adjacent
to
wharfdale
streets,
which
is
immediately
to
the
west,
but
is
accessed
from
Ridge
Road
to
the
east,
the
last
leg
of
which
is
under
private
ownership.
Members
who
are
on
the
side
visit
this
morning
will
have
seen
the
road
is
quite
narrow
in
places
as
you
approach
up
towards
the
application
site.
H
So
the
wider
area,
as
you
can
see
on
the
aerial
photograph,
includes
a
mix
of
land
users.
There
is
industrial,
commercial
and
residential
use
is
all
within
a
stone's
throw
of
the
application
site
immediately
to
the
west
of
the
sites
are
Terrace
properties.
These
are
Residential
Properties
on
wharfdell,
Avenue
and
warpedale.
Street
immediately
to
the
north
is
a
row
of
half
terrorist
properties
alongside
a
site
which
was
last
used
as
a
nursery
to
the
east.
We've
also
got
a
residential
property,
which
is
also
served
by
Ridge
Road.
H
The
access
road
and
immediately
to
the
South
is
the
designated
Woodhouse
Ridge
Green
Space,
which
is
landowned
by
the
council
and
managed
by
the
council's
climate,
energy
and
green
space
Services,
which
were
formerly
called
parks
and
Countryside.
So,
notwithstanding,
the
recent
name
change
if
members
are
happy
mostly
through
force
of
hybrid
for
myself,
I'll
continue
to
refer
to
them
as
parks
and
Countryside
today,
because
the
new
name
is
a
little
bit
of
a
mouthful
at
the
next
slide
please.
H
N
H
Are
working,
unfortunately,
I'm
divided
by
pointer
as
well,
so
the
applicant
names
of
property,
which
is
in
the
center
of
this
Photograph.
So
it's
the
white
rendered
property
with
the
the
Red
Roof
and
the
applicant
and
his
son
are
collectors
and
restorers
of
classic
and
vintage
cars.
So
you
can
see
lots
of
cars
in
this
particular
area
photograph,
which
was
from
last
year
and
the
council
satisfied
that
this
endeavor
does
qualify
as
a
hobby
rather
than
a
commercial
operation.
H
We
can
see
a
large
number
of
cars
parked
in
this
Photograph
and
along
the
axis
Road
at
the
moment,
and
it's
clear
this
is
activity
which
we've
reviewed
and
has
persisted
for
some
time
at
the
site,
following
a
review
of
aerial
photographs,
with
evidence
of
the
hobby
being
have
been
extensing
the
photographs
around
about
a
20-year
period
of
time,
so
the
applicant
has
set
out
the
planning
permission
is
granted.
H
H
This
is
a
photograph
from
the
south
of
the
site,
so
we
can
see
the
site
and
just
off
center
to
the
right
at
the
background,
the
background
of
the
photo.
So
this
looks
over
what
was
up
until
recently
in
use
as
a
children's
nursery,
and
we
can
see
the
canopies
of
mature
trees
in
the
background
beyond
the
property
and
forming
the
Woodhouse
Ridge
line
next
slide,
please.
H
So
this
is
a
view
looking
from
the
ultimate
view
from
the
north.
So
we
can
see
here
looking
from
the
top
of
the
Woodhouse
Ridge
Green
Space
and
the
site
is
hidden
in
this
Photograph
behind
the
canopy
of
trees,
and
so
it's
fairly
well
screened,
particularly
from
the
north
and
also
from
the
sides
as
well
in
the
next
one.
Please.
H
H
Okay,
next
one
please
so
we've
got
a
couple
of
photographs
coming
up
for
the
first
one
included
of
the
access
road.
So
this
is
where
the
the
access
road
in
terms
of
Ridge,
Road,
splits
to
the
The,
Woodhouse,
Ridge,
popular
walking
route
and
so
on.
The
right
is
the
access
road
to
the
site,
which
is
Ridge
Road.
H
This
is
adopted
Highway
at
this
point
and
on
the
left
is
the
walking
route
up
to
Woodhouse
Ridge
next
one
please-
and
this
is
a
little
bit
further
along
on
the
walk
this
morning,
so
the
the
site
for
those
members
on
the
site
as
it
was,
was
cleared
in
terms
of
the
access
road
this
morning,
so
we
could
walk
up
a
little
bit
more
freely,
but
essentially
the
the
extent
of
the
council
land
ends
at
where
the
three
cones
are
in
this
picture.
H
So
that
is
approximately
where
the
highway
is
and
cease
has
been
to
be
adopted
and
beyond.
That
point
is
a
private
access
road
which
then
goes
on
to
the
application
property,
and
we
can
see
the
red
brick
building
on
the
right
of
this
Photograph.
That
is
the
building
which
has
been
most
recently
used
as
a
children's
nursery.
H
So
this
is
a
little
bit
closer
along.
So
this
is
the
gate
to
the
application,
property
and
Beyond
it.
We
can
see
the
house
the
white
rendered
house.
In
the
background
there
was
a
question
which
was
raised
on
the
site
visits
by
members
this
morning
in
relation
to
whether
the
works
would
be
undertaken
or
whether
Works
would
be
undertaken
as
part
of
the
wider
development
to
retain
and
put
in
terms
of
stabilizing
the
sides
of
the
wall,
which
has
been
recently
excavated
on
the
left-hand
side.
H
Just
behind
the
Digger
in
this
Photograph
and
the
applicant
has
confirmed
this
will
be
subject
to
retaining
structures
and
structural
surveyor
will
be
employed,
which
would
inform
a
future
building
regulations
submission
for
The
Wider
development.
So
this
is
the
point
at
which
matters
would
need
to
be
considered
through
that
process
through
building
regulations.
H
Can
we
move
on
to
the
next
one?
Please
thank
you.
So
this
is
the
redline
site
plan,
which
shows
the
extents
of
the
application
site,
and
so
we
can
see.
H
This
is
a
site
which
is
subject
to
sorry
outside
of
the
application
sites
of
the
South
is
what
I
was
just
subject
to
the
dispute
with
the
council's
parks
and
Countryside
service
and
that's
to
the
south
of
the
site,
both
of
the
site
south
of
where
the
property
is
at
the
moment,
and
the
access
road
and
the
layout
shows
a
large
two-story
extension
to
the
east
of
the
site,
with
alterations
to
the
existing
building
to
the
west.
Of
that.
H
We'll
have
a
look
at
that
in
a
bit
more
detail
in
terms
of
the
next
plans,
but
we
can
also
see
on
here
the
access
road
and
the
provision
of
a
new
vehicle
passing
place
to
the
South
or
the
bottom
of
the
road.
On
this
picture
and
alongside
that,
we'll
have
new
parking
areas
and
new
landscape
Gardens,
which
would
convert
those
parts
of
the
site
which
aren't
as
such.
At
the
moment
and
in
relation
to
the
new
parking
areas.
H
This
plan
indicates
there
are
seven
formal
spaces,
and
this
is
set
out
in
the
report
in
a
little
bit
more
detail.
But
those
essentially
will
be
four
spaces
in
the
in
the
garage
and
also
three
in
the
outdoor
parking
area.
We've
subsequently
queried
with
the
applicants
in
terms
of
the
number
of
vehicles
which
he
would
intend
to
have
at
the
side,
to
any
one
particular
time
and
queried
where
there
may
be
additional
capacity
for
car
parking.
H
H
Get
the
next
one
please.
So
this
shows
the
existing
floor
plans
on
the
left
and
on
the
right,
the
existing
elevation.
So
we
can
see
it's
a
relatively
modest,
albeit
two-story,
property
and
the
ground
floor,
and
because
of
the
sloping
land
level
is
relatively
modest
in
terms
of
high
visible
space,
it's
the
main
entrance,
and
then
it
goes
up
to
the
main
accommodation
at
first
of
all
level.
H
So
changes
to
the
main
house
include
a
number
of
extensions
and
to
the
front
and
side
that
two-story
single
story
level,
but
also
a
change
to
the
roof,
including
increasing
Ridge
Heights
and
a
new
normal
window
to
the
front,
and
we
can
see
there's
on
the
rear
elevation
that
the
Backwoods
facing
view
of
that
can
happen
next.
One
please-
and
these
are
the
side
elevations,
so
the
bottom
left
picture
is
perhaps
the
easiest
one
to
see
the
extent
of
the
new
roof
and
the
new
shape
of
the
new
roof.
H
So
a
slightly
steeper
pitch
than
we've
got
at
the
moment
with
the
Dormer
in
the
top
left
of
that
particular
picture,
and
but
the
harsh
markings
which
we
can
just
make
out
on
that
picture
show
the
extent
of
the
new
additions
to
the
existing.
Give
the
next
one
please.
H
So
this
is
the
proposed
ground
floor
plan,
so
the
Large
four-car
Garage
is
at
the
bottom
left
of
this
picture,
and
the
workshop
is
behind
that.
So,
although
it's
annotated
as
a
workshop
and
gym
on
this
Photograph,
the
applicant
has
since
confirmed
that
the
gym
use
would
extend
to
essentially
one
running
machine,
and
perhaps
if
you
wait
so
the
majority
of
that
space,
overwhelming
majority
will
be
used
for
car
repair
and
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
that
picture.
We
can
see.
H
There's
some
new
habitable
space
will
be
created
in
the
existing
dwelling,
get
the
next
one
please,
and
on
this
one,
we've
got
the
first
floor
plan
and
also
the
second
floor
or
the
Loft
plan,
and
so
we
can
see
it's
broadly
going
to
be
laid
out
in
terms
of
the
existing
house
on
the
right,
with
new
accommodation
up
first
and
second
floor
levels,
including
up
to
three
bedrooms
and
then
with
the
annex
for
the
son
of
the
applicant
on
the
left,
which
is
showing
in
there
is
again
a
habitual
rooms
and
three
bedroom
space,
but
with
also
with
an
outdoor
roof
Terrace
to
the
front
or
the
bottom
of
that
particular
picture.
H
The
next
one
please-
and
so
this
is
just
an
aerial
photograph
of
the
north
and
I
wanted
at
this
point
to
offer
an
update
on
a
number
of
matters,
but
I'll
start
with
representations
received.
So
the
officer
report
sets
out
that
the
have
been
objections
received
from
former
Council
walshaw
on
behalf
of
all
the
headingley
and
Hyde
Park
members,
the
Woodhouse
rejection
group
and
also
two
further
members
of
the
public.
H
It's
helpful
to
clarify
here
that,
whilst
this
is
correct,
we
did
also
receive
two
letters
of
General
comments
from
members
of
the
public
and
issues
which
are
summarized
at
paragraph
22
of
the
report
and
does
actually
include
these.
It's
just
that.
H
We
forgot
to
note
that
there's
those
two
additional
General
comments
in
the
report,
so
my
apologies
in
advance
for
confusion
there,
and
it's
also
helpful
to
note
that
we
have
to
subsequently
received
for
the
two
comments
which
aren't
summarized
in
the
report,
and
the
first
of
these
is
a
note
of
support
for
the
redrawn
boundaries
submitted
as
part
of
the
application
we've
had
revised
plans
throughout
and
that
one
of
those
is
to
clarify
the
the
red
line
ones
and
this
the
ownership
issues,
and
the
second
is
a
letter
which
is
neutral
on
the
development
which
does
Express
support
for
those
concerns
which
are
raised
by
other
objectives
and
commentators
to
date,
and
those
are,
as
I've
said,
before,
they're
listed
at
paragraph
22
of
the
officer
report.
H
So
all
those
comments
were
before
the
council
in
terms
of
their
substance
when
we
drafted
the
report.
So
there
is
a
further
update.
I
need
to
offer
to
members
in
relation
to
matters
in
relation
to
land
ownership.
Can
we
go
back
to
the
site
plan
for
this
one
back,
a
few
slides.
H
Okay,
so
it's
come
to
light
this
morning
and
I
must
offer
my
apologies
to
members
for
the
likeness
of
this
and
that
it
is
unclear
whether
the
land
required
for
the
passing
place,
which
you
can
see
on
the
rights
of
this
drawing
actually
falls
in
land
of
the
ownership
of
the
applicants
and
not
within
Council
and
under
the
control
of
what
was
parks
and
Countryside
to
the
South.
H
So
it's
been
brought
to
light
and
by
colleagues
in
our
parks
and
Countryside
team,
who
submitted,
as
essentially
a
land
registered
plan
to
ourselves
this
morning,
showing
the
extent
of
the
council
London
and
which
we
own.
H
The
plans
are
at
a
scale
of
one
to
two
thousand
five
hundred
and
in
that
scale,
as
you'll
appreciate,
it's
quite
difficult
to
ascertain
the
precise
point
at
which
the
council's
ownership
of
the
land
ends.
Essentially,
this
could
be
anywhere
between
and
if
we
look
at
the
northern
edge
of
the
access
road
on
this
Photograph,
the
top
edge
of
that
it,
the
the
title
did
show
that
that
could
be
anywhere
between
three
and
five
meters
from
there.
H
So
the
passing
place
on
this
particular
plan
is
shown
to
be
a
total
or
require
a
total
width
of
five
meters.
So
it
may
be
the
case
that
it
is
in
the
applicant's
ownership
or
it's
not,
but
that
is
a
matter
which
we
need
to
explore.
So
it
raises
a
number
of
issues.
H
First
and
foremost,
it's
obviously
helpful
to
come
to
a
consensus
view
between
the
parties,
but
also
within
the
council,
in
terms
of
where
the
council's
ownership
ends
and
the
initial
view
from
Parks
is
that
they
will
be
happy
to
ask
a
surveyor
I'd
start
and
explore
this
further
to
exact
assist
in
answering
the
question
more
precisely
than
we're
able
to
do
today.
And
secondly,
if
this
does
show
that
the
land
Falls
within
Council
ownership,
the
applicant
would
need
to
go
on
to
formally
serve
notice
to
the
council
as
landowner
through
the
planning
process.
H
However,
I
must
stress
that
this
is
only
initial
view
at
this
point
in
time,
and
it
would
need
to
be
subject
to
further
discussion
and
negotiation
in
June
your
course
and
of
course
the
final
Point
here
is
as
to
whether
the
passing
place
is
essential
to
make
the
scheme
accessible
in
the
overall
planning
balance.
So
we've
had
a
a
consideration
of
this
and
it's
our
view
that
that,
whilst
this
is
desirable,
it's
not
essential
in
the
overall
planning
balance.
H
We
would
still
have
to
come
to
the
conclusion
that
we
did
in
the
officer
reports
and
we
we
consider
that,
on
that
basis,
scheme
of
merits
are
planning
approval.
In
the
absence
of
the
passing
place
and
as
such,
noting
that
there
are
clearly
a
number
of
matters
to
to
discuss
and
resolve,
including
procedural
matters
relating
to
the
serving
of
further
notices.
H
What
we
would
recommend
is
that
the
appropriate
way
to
deal
with
this
will
be
to
seek
to
defer
and
delegate
the
application
to
officers
for
approval
of
the
application
with
the
intention
to
secure
the
passing
place
in
the
first
instance,
I'll
return
to
that
at
the
end
of
this
presentation
and
just
to
add
a
little
bit
more
clarity
on
that,
and
but
now
we've
arrived
at
this
point,
it's
helpful
to
separate
some
of
the
issues
which
we've
attempted
to
address
in
the
reports
in
terms
of
relevance
to
the
determination
of
the
planning
application.
H
So
if
we
were
to
go
back
to
the
final
slide
as
well,
while
we're
doing
this
something
helpful
so,
first
of
all
in
relation
to
the
matter
of
the
plans
panel
request,
so
the
request
from
councilor
dalson,
supported
by
councilor
garthwaite,
and
that
the
application
should
come
to
panel
on
the
basis
of
the
impacts
of
Woodhouse
Ridge
is
before
us
and
Central
to
these
concerns
have
been
in
terms
of
discussions
with
more
members,
in
particular
matters
relating
to
an
ongoing
enforcement
investigation
by
the
council's
parks
and
Countryside
service.
H
The
office
report
summarizes
these
matters
in
more
detail,
but
it's
been
essentially
alleged.
The
applicant
has
erected
an
authorized,
fencing,
including
closure
of
of
council
land
and
dump
subsoil
and
damaged
planting.
H
They
are
matters
which
are
being
pursued
by
the
council,
albeit
colleagues
in
the
relevant
service,
have
advised
that
it's
only
the
first
of
these
three
matters
which
they
consider
as
actually
occurred
on
Council
land
and
but
what
is
really
important
to
stress
here,
is
that
this
isn't
a
relevant
consideration
and
to
the
planning
application.
But
rather
these
are
matters
which
fall
outside
of
the
application
sites
which
are
being
correctly
pursued
by
the
council
under
the
appropriate
and
relevant
Powers.
H
So
they're
not
therefore
matters
for
the
local
planning
authority
to
resolve
through
the
current
planning
application
and
we're
advising
that
they're,
not
matters
on
which
plans
panel
members
can
give
any
weight
as
part
of
their
considerations
today
and
I
do
expand
upon
this
in
the
report.
But
essentially
the
planning
case
law
is
clear
that
this
should
not
be
reason
to
withhold
or
hold
up
the
determination
of
the
planning,
application
and
launch
the
plans
panel
as
a
decision-making
body
of
the
local
planning
Authority
be
used
as
a
public
forum
to
debate
these
matters.
Necessarily.
H
This
is
not
to
say
that
we
don't
have
sympathy
with
the
circumstances
here
and
Dara
say
I'm
sure
that
this
will
raise
concerns
amongst
plant
panel
members
in
relation
to
the
bigger
picture
issues
as
it
does
with
officers.
But
we
must
be
clear
that
our
advice,
as
as
we've
been
clear
with
local
Ward
members
today,
is
that
these
are
not
matters
for
plans
panel,
but
rather
for
the
relevant
Council
team.
H
Acting
under
the
appropriate,
relevant
Powers
I
also
don't
want
to
be
inquired
to
like
award
members
here
as
well,
including
councilors,
Dowson
and
garthwaite
it's
clearly.
This
is
a
locally
significant
issue
and
I
do
have
some
sympathy
with
the
concern
that
there
is
no
public
Avenue
for
local
groups
or
residents
to
raise
their
concerns
as
part
of
the
Park's
enforcement
process.
H
World
members
have
also
shown
an
appreciation
of
our
position
as
a
local
planning
Authority
as
I've
outlined
previously,
but
the
plans
panel
request
has
been
put
to
officers
and
it's
in
light
of
these
discussions,
and
it
does
meet
the
terms
of
the
delegation
scheme
for
a
plant's
final
determination,
hence
why
we
brought
it
before
we
today
members,
but
ultimately,
notwithstanding
that
many
of
the
concerns
in
their
Origins
are
not
planning
matters.
H
So
this
rather
neatly
brings
me
on
an
apologies
for
the
this
presentation,
but
the
quite
a
lot
of
issues
to
cover,
but
rather
neatly
brings
me
on
to
those
considerations
which
are
relevant
to
the
consideration
of
and
determination
of
the
application,
so
clearly
largely
a
result
of
the
result
of
the
applicant's
hobby,
but
also
as
a
result
of
other
more
recent
works
at
the
site,
the
site
as
an
unarguably
or
an
arguably
unkept,
an
untidy
appearance.
H
It's
important
to
note
here
that
the
applicant's
hobby
is
long-standing
and
the
proposal,
if
we
were
to
Grant
planning
permission,
will
not
only
provide
new
and
improved
living
accommodation
for
the
applicant
and
his
family,
but
this
will
also
provide
an
improved
space
to
carry
out
this
Hobby
and
the
new
indoor
garage
and
workshop
area
will
help
move
these
activities
indoors
and
no
doubt
lead
to
Improvement
in
terms
of
noise
and
disturbance
from
these
activities,
which
may
be
heard
outside
of
the
sites
at
present,
and
this
does
go
to
the
heart
of
many
of
the
concerns
raised
by
local
residents
about
current
activities
at
the
site.
H
They'll
also
have
an
impact
on
those
positive
strategic
functions
I
mentioned
earlier
on,
many
of
which
are
interrelated,
including
the
Strategic
green
infrastructure
function
of
the
site,
the
fact
that
the
site
secret
Urban
green
Corridor
function
and
the
local
nature
area
function
of
Woodhouse
Ridge
as
well.
H
In
addition
to
this,
it's
also
recognized
that,
in
granting
planning
permission,
this
will
likely
have
a
positive
knock-on
effect
in
terms
of
the
impacts
of
some
of
those
ongoing
enforcement
matters
on
the
neighboring
land
and
principally
because,
if
the
application
is
approved
with
new
boundary
treatments,
which
are
generally
supported
by
local
Ward
members
and
the
Woodhouse
rejection
group
and
when
considered
in
isolation
and
that
will
negate
the
need
for
the
unauthorized
Harris,
fencing
which
has
been
erected.
And
so
it
will
speed,
speed,
speed
and
its
removal.
H
Hopefully,
and
whilst
the
extensions
are
of
significant
size
and
scale
over
above
the
existing
house,
and
that's
not
in
question.
This
is
a
site
which
we
feel
can
reasonably
comfortably
accommodate
such
developments
and
there
are
no
wider
design
or
characters
concerns
with
the
site
being
relatively
well
screened
from
public
viewpoints,
as
we
saw
in
photographs
earlier.
H
We
also
noted
that
the
granting
of
the
publication
for
the
garage
and
workshop
should
help
in
terms
of
noise
generating
activities.
It'll
move
them
indoors,
whereas
at
the
moment
they've
been
taken.
Outdoors,
as
we
saw
on
the
site
visit
this
morning,
should
lead
to
an
improvement
in
that
respect
and
we'll
also
look
to
secure
a
management
plan
for
the
site
to
limit
noise
and
other
disturbance
within
the
planning
remits,
as
it
were
now
in
response
to
the
concerns
raised
by
the
neighbor
to
the
north
at
number.
Seven
wolfdale
Avenue.
H
The
Proposal
will
also
secure
the
resurfacing
of
the
access
road
and
the
permission
would
ensure,
by
virtue
of
planning,
condition
that
the
access
road
remains
free
of
obstructions,
which
will
be
an
improvement
on
the
current
situation
and
the
creation
of
the
passing
place
which
I
talked
about
earlier.
Would
also
assist
in
allowing
vehicles
to
maneuver
along
Access
Road.
However,
whilst
this
is
desirable
as
I
mentioned
earlier
on,
we
don't
consider
this
as
essential.
H
This
will
generate
a
material
increase
in
vehicle
movements
to
and
from
the
sites,
and
essentially
this
will
generate
if
that
were
to
be
clear,
is
kept
clear
in
terms
of
by
use
of
a
condition
for
obstructions
which
we
would
see
to
secure
anyway.
That
would
address
the
issue
in
terms
of
blocking
of
access,
movement,
Etc
and
coding
for
immersion
emergency
vehicles.
H
So,
therefore,
whilst
all
parties
have
shown
a
willingness
at
this
point
in
time
to
secure
the
puppet
in
place,
so
if
it
could
not
be
secured
and
the
overall
planning
balance
would
still
weigh
in
favor
of
granting
planning
permission,
other
matters
could
be
controlled
by
planning
condition,
including
that
the
site
remains
as
a
single
planning
unit
for
residential
purposes,
and
we
could
look
to
secure
delivery
of
landscaping
and
the
management
plan,
as
I
mentioned,
for
the
hobby
use
Etc,
and
that
could
look
to
things
like
patrolling
working
hours
Etc.
H
So,
in
conclusion,
officers
are
in
rights
of
the
new
information.
That's
before
us
still
recommending
that
the
application
is
approved,
but
ultimately
would
be
a
recommendation
recommending
that
this
is
deferred
and
delegated
to
officers
and
to
approve
the
application,
including
to
seek
to
secure
the
passing
place
in
the
first
instance.
H
If
officers
are,
however,
unable
to
ultimately
secure
the
passing
place,
we
would
then
seek
to
approve
the
application
subject
to
the
other
conditions
set
out
in
the
officer
reports
under
delegates
of
powers.
So
we
will
be
asking
that
the
application
is
deferred
and
delegated.
On
that
basis,
thank
you.
Chair.
A
Thank
you,
Ryan.
In
accordance
with
our
protocol
for
public
speaking
at
the
plans
panel,
we
have
a
speaker
in
objection
to
the
proposal.
Mr
Lee's,
when
you're
ready
you've
got
four
minutes
to
address
the
panel.
M
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
chair
and
panel.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
the
opportunity
of
addressing
you
in
relation
to
this
planning
application.
My
name's
Nigel
Lees
I'm,
a
qualified,
horticulturalist
and
landscape
architect.
I've
been
a
Committee
Member
of
Woodhouse
Ridge
action
group
15
years
and
just
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
our
group,
we're
a
group
of
volunteers
that
were
established
in
1995
to
help
Revitalize
Woodhouse
Ridge
as
a
safe
and
attractive
public
wooded
Parkland.
M
After
a
period
of
decline,
like
many
environmental
groups,
we're
responding
to
a
period
of
Decline
and
since
then,
we've
undertaken
a
monthly
task
days
engage
a
lot
of
volunteers
and
activities
on
the
site
and
Chase
funds
for
environmental
Improvement
projects
in
2022.
In
March
rag
wrote
to
planning
enforcement
inquiring
about
the
erection
of
100
meters
of
Harris,
fencing,
red
Harris,
fencing,
clad
in
green
and
also
raising
questions
about
the
activities
on
the
site.
M
Why
there
were
so
many
cars?
Why
was
it
so?
What
was
going
on
basically?
And
we
were
informed
that
enforcement
were
looking
into
the
matter.
M
We
also
wrote
to
parks
and
Countryside
offices
and
toward
councilors
enclosing
photographs
plans
and
Boundary
plans
from
the
land
registry
service,
because
we
were
convinced
that
there'd
been
a
significant
extension
or
enclosure
of
land
that
was
Public
public
Parkland
it
was
apparent
and
that
the
fencing
which
is
still
in
place
unbelievably
was
erected
to
exclude
the
public
from
the
that
part
of
the
Ridge
and
conceal
activity.
M
M
We
remain
appalled
and
planning
service
took
no
enforcement
action
over
the
summer
when
excavation
and
tipping
was
clearly
going
on,
and
it's
very
visible
in
the
aerial
photographs
that
you
looked
at
earlier
weren't.
The
extent
of
the
Tipping
tipping
in
my
understanding
is
is
a
planning
is
an
activity
that
requires
planning
permission.
M
M
It
cannot
be
right
and
to
add
insult
to
injury,
the
ramp
from
their
land
to
enable
this
tipping
went
through
a
large
patch
of
Japanese
knotweed,
which
has
just
been
spread
in
the
area
of
tipping,
and
the
applicants
might
believe
that
they
concealed
their
operation
by
oversewing
it
with
grass
seed.
But
there
is
now
not
a
small
Forest
of
Japanese
knotweed
along
the
whole
tipped
area.
M
M
G
Hi
I'm
sympathetic,
so
I'll
be
saying:
this
site
has
been
a
tip
for
20
30
years.
It's
a
piece
of
rule
that
I
won't
put
regular
and
it's
regularly
dumped
on
it's
a
tip
and
it's
a
mess
and
I
aren't
convinced
to
be
absolutely
honest,
is
that
the
proposal
will
do
anything
to
us
or
any
of
that.
I
know
that
that's
strictly
not
upon
anything
but
I
am
concerned
is
that
we
have
I
as
soon
as
ran
that
piece
many
many
times
that
is
blocked,
pretty
regular,
there's
dirt.
G
D
I
am
totally
sympathetic
to
what
you've
said,
but
we
have
been
given
clear
advice
by
our
planning
officer
that
we
cannot
take
that
in
to
so
what
more
can
we
say
to
you
to?
Let
you
to
confirm
you
know
to
let
you
know
that
we
we
are
sympathetic,
but
at
the
same
time
we
have
been
given
clear
advice
and
our
legal
officer
did
not
intervene
to
say
that
the
planner
was
doing
anything
wrong,
so
we've
had
it
implied
by
the
legal
official.
The
information
we
were
given
was
correct.
D
M
Thank
you,
counselor
I,
understand,
I
I
would
ask
you
to
challenge
officers
on
on
the
on
the
basis
of
the
fact
that
we
can't
resolve
parties,
a
parties
B
in
party
C
parties,
a
being
planning
parties,
B
being
marks
and
Countryside
and
parting
party
C.
Being
the
applicant
I
I
thought
it
was
a
matter
of
planning
to
resolve
these
things.
L
So
yes,
obviously
I
have
lays
with
officers
on
this
matter,
because
it
is
difficult
and
we,
as
officers
are
aware,
if
our
members
will
feel
about
this
and
that
you
are
in
a
difficult
position,
but
it
remains,
and
as
far
as
I
understand
as
well
rag,
I've
sort
of
acknowledged
this
in
correspondence
with
officers
as
well.
That,
first
of
all,
some
of
this
area
is
outside
the
red
line
boundary.
So
that's
not
what
you're
looking
at
today.
L
It's
also
not
part
of
the
development
proposal,
unfortunately,
that
you're
looking
at
today,
we
can
only
hope
that
it
will
have
a
cumulative
domino
effect
that
Improvement
of
the
development
side
might
have
an
impact
on
solving
some
of
the
problems.
But
it
does
remain
to
be
the
fact
that
first
of
all,
this
isn't
really
the
Forum
to
our
views
from
a
residence
group
that
can't
be
aired
elsewhere,
because
it
it
isn't
about
this
application
per
se
and
in
terms
of
ongoing
enforcement
or
ongoing
action.
L
That
needs
to
be
taken
by
other
Council
departments,
as
I
say,
on
an
area
of
land,
that's
outside
the
red
line.
That
is
actually
not
a
matter
that
a
planning
committee
can
unfortunately
take
into
account
ongoing
breaches
of
planning
control.
First
of
all
cannot
be
a
material
consideration
in
your
judgment
of
a
matter
and
also
would
very
not
very
clearly
not
be
able
to
be
a
reason
for
refusal
either,
and
there
is
a
lot
of
of
case
law
in
this
area
that
reiterates
that
to
us
so
yeah.
L
Unfortunately,
the
planning
application
has
to
be
considered
on
its
own
merits
and
looked
at
solely
as
what
is
before
you,
which
is
this
red
line.
Boundary
I'm,
not
excluding
the
parts
of
Countryside
area,
although
it
just
seemed
like
it's
been
a
long
time
since
these
initial
con
concerns
were
raised
by
rag,
it
is
just
summer
2022,
so
we're
not
quite
a
year
on
and,
as
we
all
know,
members
and
officers.
L
Things
unfortunately
do
take
time,
because
there
are
stages
that
have
to
be
gone
through
to
deal
with
all
residents
of
the
city
in
an
equal
way
give
time
for
remediation,
give
time
for
further
investigative
work
onto
in
terms
of
land
ownership,
and
that
is
ongoing,
but
with
other
officers
in
in
different
departments.
Thank
you.
A
Can
I
just
ask
you
a
question.
I
mean
very
rightly
some
colleagues
have
said
that
this
is
not
the
Forum,
but
we
do
have
a
local
forum,
Community
committees.
Now
the
two
of
the
world
councilors
I
mean
heading
in
Hyde,
Park
and
Japan
councilors.
There
are
two
different
Community
committees.
Have
you
approached
any
of
those
two
Community
committees
to
raise
this
particular
concern.
M
No
sorry,
but
we
we
have,
we
haven't
been
taking
it
because
we've
been
dealing
direct
with
the
two
councilors
in
the
two
Wards.
But
if
that's
a
suggestion
then
then
yes
we'd
be
happy
to
take
it
up
to
the
community
councils.
A
The
reason
I'm
saying
this
is
flying
dipping
is
is
part
of
the
community
committee's
remit
and,
and
it
makes
life
easier,
I
mean
it
used
to
be
on
our
doorstep
before
the
boundary
changed
in
2018.
A
So
surely,
if
you
raise
it
within
the
Community
Committee,
perhaps
you
will
have
some
good
questions
and-
and
you
know
from
from
from
members
and
offices,
they
do
have
meetings
on
a
regular
basis
and
where
public
can
speak
for
up
to
10
minutes
or
you
know
and
ask
any
questions
and
then
obviously
you
will
get
the
feedback
on
you
know
as
as
they
go
along.
So
it's
just
a
suggestion.
I
mean,
unfortunately,
this
little.
This
is
not
the
Forum,
but
we
do
have
forums
within
the
local
Authority.
A
If
there
aren't
any
other
Jenkins
hazardwood.
F
Sorry
yeah
just
to
ask:
have
you
had
any
discussion
just
as
a
group,
the
rag
with
Mr
Riley,
the
applicant
no.
M
No,
no,
we
haven't,
we
didn't
think
it
was
appropriate.
Given
that
Council
enforcement,
we
believed,
was
doing
its
work.
J
A
F
Yeah
sorry
so
you're
saying
that
Council
enforcement
is
doing
its
work.
Well,
is
the
council
enforcement
doing
its
work
to
your
satisfaction.
M
No,
we
haven't,
certainly
Council
communication
isn't
doing
its
work.
We
reported
the
whole
matter
and
hadn't
received
any
information
recently
about.
What's
going
on,
for
example,
from
Parks
and
Countryside.
A
As
we
as
we
as
we
don't
have
any
anyone
in
support
of
this
application,
so
shall
we
move
on
to
the
offices
any
questions
to
the
officers.
Please.
F
Okay,
so
the
objector
has
mentioned
things
like
Japanese,
not
weird,
being
transferred,
maybe
from
the
original
site
outside
of
the
the
red
line
area.
As
it's
been
looked
into,.
H
Yes,
councilor
Jenkins
I
think
it's
first
of
all,
it's
just
helpful
to
note
that
these
would
also
be
matters
which
fall
outside
the
scope
of
planning,
but
obviously,
understandably,
we
expected
that
questions
might
come
forward.
So
we
we
have
been
made
aware
of
of
this
as
an
allegation,
and
we
have
spoken
to
colleagues
in
park
parks
and
Countryside
service
that
they're
not
aware
of
any
evidence
being
presented
to
them
that
this
is
the
case
that
that
demonstrably
could
be
the
case
that
the
applicant
has
done
this.
H
It
forms
part
of
their
wider
investigation,
which
is
ongoing.
We've
asked
the
applicants
as
well.
He
stated
that,
as
far
as
he's
aware,
there's
no
Japanese
not
weed
within
his
particular
site
he's
disputed
delegations,
but
yes
it.
It
is
ongoing
as
part
of
the
parks
and
Countryside
investigation
and
I'll
just
return
to
the
point
there
that
that
obviously
I'm
not
part
of
that
or
privy
to
that
investigation.
It's
with
colleagues
in
a
different
part
of
the
council
and
they're
not
matters
relevant
to
the
particular
planning
application.
I
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you
Ryan
for
that
very
clear
report.
I,
just
wonder
if
the
conditions
are
restrictive
enough
or
controllable
enough
I'm,
looking
at
condition
10
management
plan
for
future
hobby
use.
You
did
mention
about
restricting
the
car
numbers
to
16,
which
is
quite
a
big
figure.
But
if
that's
the
recommendation,
okay,
but
can
we
put
a
condition
in
that?
That
is
the
limit,
the
absolute
limit
on
it,
but
I
think
obviously
it'd
be
nice
to
know
a
bit
more
detail
about
the
Landscaping.
I
Here,
that's
been
proposed,
you
recommended
that
we
do
fair
and
delegate
to
offices,
which
means
we
might
not
see
that
again.
I
So
clearly,
if
you
could
inform
us
a
bit
more
and
those
of
us
who
was
on
site
realized,
it's
almost
a
tip
really
isn't
it
there's
all
sorts
of
being
just
dumped
there
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
did
say
that
there
are
lots
of
rubble
and
stone
that
was
to
one
side
would
be
removed,
but
there
is
a
lot
more
of
which
there
was
all
the
hose
pipes
and
all
sorts
of
things.
I
That's
been
there
for
many
years
and
indeed,
in
the
passing
area,
there
was
a
number
of
cars
which
have
been
there
so
long
that
they've
grown
about
two
foot
of
soil
under
the
wheels
and
whereas
they
may
have
a
hobby
for
a
for
renovating
cars,
which
is
commendable,
I
I
think
it
is
commendable
if
you
can
get
vintage
cars
and
get
them
back
into
use.
You
know
that's
good.
It's
a
form
of
recycling,
but
some
of
these
cars
in
the
parking
space
had
vine
weed
grown
inside
them.
I
You
know
and
actually
grown
inside
the
cars
and
I
think
they
should
be
removed
and
scrapped,
quite
frankly,
because
I
can't
see
how
anybody
could
renovate
them
and
make
them
Road
worthy
and
put
them
back
again.
So
I'd
like
to
see
a
very
strong
condition
regarding
clearing
the
site,
it
does
seem
to
be
a
big
issue
for
local
resident
things
like
that
has
been
allowed
to
happen,
and
then
there's
been
a
complaint
about
burning
on
site.
Well,
given
our
climate
policies,
now
there
shouldn't
be
any
burning
on
site
and
it
seems
to
me
a
condition.
I
A
We'll
cancel
shops.
E
Thanks
chair
just
off
the
back
of
what
councilor
McKenna
said,
I
brought
those
notes
down
as
well
and
to
add
to
that
the
noise
nuisance
that
people
complained
about
I,
don't
know
whether
that
sits
in
with
environment
team
in
terms
of,
if
there's
any
work
going
on,
you
know,
and
it's
not
just
a
hobby
but
working
outside
on
the
night.
You
know
the
noise,
if
that
could
be
a
condition
as
well.
D
I
would
say,
is
fine,
I
agree
with
what's
been
said
about
the
conditions
you're
trying
to
put
on
the
applicant,
but
Lead
City
Council
are
responsible
for
a
lot
of
the
problems
we
saw
this
morning
whilst
going
up
to
the
site.
The
state
of
the
road
is
nothing
sort
of
diabolical.
There
are
a
number
of
tires
which
have
been
fly.
Tipped
and
I'm
told
that
that's
regular,
so
I
whilst
I
agree
that
we're
putting
conditions
on
the
applicant
I
think
Leed
City
Council
also
have
a
duty
towards
the
applicant
that
they
will
keep
the
area.
D
You
know
they
will
get
get
it
surfaced
properly
and
that
they
will
keep
the
area
clean
from
fly.
Tipping
I
am
aware
of
the
fly
tipping
there,
because
I
was
approached
a
number
of
years
ago
to
actually
meet
a
journalist
down
there
because
they
were
trying
to
highlight
the
fact
that
fly
tipping
was
taking
place
in
that
year.
Not
just
at
that
area.
There's
a
number
of
offshoots
as
well
with
the
same
problems
occurring
so
I,
do
think.
D
We
need
to
go
back
two
highways
and
to
Street
cleansing
and
say
that
we're
trying
to
get
the
applicant
to
do
their
part
and
in
return
the
council
need
to
do
their
part,
because
if
you,
those
of
us
who
were
on
site
this
morning,
the
applicant
did
mention
to
us
about
the
fly
tipping,
although
under
normal
circumstances,
we
wouldn't
necessarily
discuss
things
on
a
site
visit
the
fact
that
it
was
made.
You
can't
I
know
what
you
know.
N
Thank
you,
chair.
We've
taken
note
of
what
members
have
been
been
saying
in
terms
of
the
planning
conditions.
Of
course,
the
planning
conditions
will
only
bite
once
they
commence
the
development
so
in
in
terms
of
the
concerns
that
exist
about
the
state
of
the
site,
as
it
is
at
the
present
time,
the
cars
that
have
have
been
mentioned
and
the
points
that
you've
just
mentioned:
councilor
Anderson
they
they're
sort
of
separate
matters.
N
N
They
have
greater
control
as
as
landowners,
but
some
of
the
other
points
that
you
you've
mentioned.
We
can
take
back
to
our
enforcement
team
and
CSS
scope,
for
example
through
untidy
land
notices,
to
see
if
we
can,
if
there's
harm
to
emergency,
see
if
we
can
use
those
powers
to
move
some
of
these
matters
forward
and
we'll
take
a
note,
Council
Anderson
about
the
highways
and
Street
cleansing
and
we'll
we'll
pass
that
information
on
see.
If
we
can
get
those
matters
addressed
as
as
well.
A
F
David
yeah,
so
just
for
the
record
I
think
we
probably
ought
to
report
that
parks
and
Countryside
is
now
a
different
department.
I
think
it's
green
spaces
as
well.
Just
for
the
record,
the
the
other
point
is
that
I
think
condition.
One
says:
there's
a
standard
time
limit
of
three
years,
so
I
just
wondered
how
much
flexibility
there
is
to,
because
often
three
years
is
a
long
time
and
whether
we
we
could
make
it
one
year
to
try
and
make
sure
that
things
do
happen
within
the
time
within
a
time
scale.
H
Like
yes,
guys,
I
mean
the
three-year
time
limit
is
the
standard
time
limit
which
is
encouraged
by
government
in
terms
of
their
advice
to
us
as
well.
I
I
mean
the
only
thing
I
would
say
with
hesitancy,
not
only
that
that
will
be
a
contrary
to
perhaps
National
guidance
in
terms
of
relevant
matters
is
that
there
clearly
are
a
number
of
matters
which
would
need
to
be
undertaken
at
the
site
to
clear
the
site
Etc
before
development
may
actually
commence
in
the
first
instance,
so
I
think.
H
Certainly
in
discussions
with
ourselves,
the
applicant
has
shown
a
willingness
to
to
get
on
and
develop
the
site,
but
whether
it's
able
to
do
that
in
as
a
timely
manner
as
possible
with
it
not
being
a
cleared
site
to
begin
with
is,
is
essentially
raises
an
issue
there.
In
terms
of
timing,
I
mean
I
think
what
I
would
just
say.
Furthermore,
on
that
point
is
that
the
applicant
has
been
very
clear
to
us
that
they
very
much
wanted
to
implement
their
previous
planning
permission
that
they
gained
in
I.
H
Think
it's
2018
and
they're
now
very
much
chomping
at
the
bit
to
get
going
with
with
this
one
they've
expressed
concerns
in
terms
of
the
delays
to
date
in
terms
of
granting
Planet
Mission.
Getting
to
this
point,
and
we've
been
given
the
impression
very
much
throughout
that
they're
wanting
to
get
on
site
and
and
deliver
this
as
quickly
as
possible,
I,
don't
know
whether
any
reassurance,
so
that's
very
much.
The
message
that's
come
to
us
from
the
from
the
applicants.
A
Does
any
officer
wish
to
clarify
anything
further,
no
David.
Would
you
please
sum
up
the
reflect
of
the
debate
so
then
we
can
move
on.
N
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
Yes,
I
think.
The
message
that
I'm
getting
is
that
in
terms
of
the
proposals
are
actually
before
the
plans
panel
and
limiting
the
scope
to
the
considerations
of
those
matters
that
there
aren't
any
particular
objections
to
the
scheme.
That's
that's
been
presented.
N
I'd
like
to
members
would
like
us
to
be
strict,
stricter,
as
it
were
in
terms
of
the
nature
controls
which
imposed
under
condition,
10
the
management
plan,
and
that
will
cover
matters
such
as
number
of
Vehicles
hours
of
operation,
nature
of
activities
that
were
carried
out
in
in
the
open
area
as
it
were,
avoiding
stuff
like
the
use
of
machinery,
mechanical
tools,
sorry
power
tools,
Etc,
so
we
can
build
that
into
into
the
condition.
If
members
are
content
on
that,
then
it's
for
members,
then
to
to
move
and
second
recommendation
chair.
A
D
A
A
Could
we
now
take
the
vote
on
the
motion
as
proposed
and
second
from
the
proposal
and
the
secondary
all
in
support.
A
All
right,
the
that
concludes
the
business
of
today's
meeting.
Thank
you
for
your
attendance
and
contributions.
I
now
declare
the
meeting
to
be
closed.
The
date
and
the
time
of
the
next
meeting
will
be
27th
of
July.