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A
Good
afternoon,
everyone
and
welcome
to
meeting
with
the
South
and
West
plans
panel.
My
name
is
councilor
Hannah,
Bethel
and
I'll
be
chairing.
Today's
meeting
could
I
remind
everyone
that
today's
meeting
is
being
live
streamed
on
the
Leeds
city
council,
YouTube
channel,
so
that
the
public
can
observe
the
meeting
without
needing
to
be
present.
A
South
and
West
plans
panel
deals
with
applications
from
the
south,
Northwest
and
west
of
the
city.
The
aim
of
the
panel
is
to
hear
all
the
relevant
information
from
applicants.
Members
of
the
public
and
Council
officers
to
help
members
of
the
panel
make
their
decision.
However,
today
we're
here
to
discuss
a
position
statement
seeking
members
views
on
the
proposal
at
this
point
in
its
development.
Could
I,
therefore
remind
members
of
panel
that
there
will
be
no
Vote
or
requirement
for
a
formal
decision?
A
F
M
Afternoon
legal
advice
to
the
panel
today.
A
Lovely
thank
you.
Everyone
and
welcome.
Moving
to
the
agenda
can
I
ask
Clark
to
go
through
agenda
items
number
one
to
five.
Please.
J
J
A
You
item
number
six,
then
minutes
of
the
previous
meeting
held
on
the
8th
of
June
2023.
Do
members
accept
these
minutes
are
a
true
and
correct
record
lovely
some
nods,
Alex
I'll,
assume
they're,
correct
and
less
indicate
otherwise,
and
our
members
happy
to
move
these
move
and
cancel
laundry
to
Second.
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
matters
arising
from
them.
A
No
lovely
so
we'll
move
on
to
agenda
item
number
seven,
which
is
can't
write
house,
an
application
for
demolition
of
existing
building
and
construction
of
a
36-story
residential
development
and
with
ancillary
commercial
space
landscaping
and
external
amenity
space
can
I
ask
the
officer
to
present
the
application.
Please.
B
Thank
you
chair,
so
the
proposals
for
the
demolition
of
an
existing
industrial
building,
as
chair
just
mentioned,
a
construction
of
36-story
Residential
Building
to
house
402
apartments
with
ancillary
commercial
space
to
the
ground
floor
and
an
external
Podium
level
Garden
area
which
connects
up
with
the
adjacent
development,
the
application
sites
towards
the
Whitehall
Road
end
of
Springwell
Road
in
holbeck,
adjacent
to
a
previously
approved
development
on
the
corner
of
Whitehall
Road
and
Springwell
Road.
That's
224
Apartments
over
a
maximum
of
16
stories
stepped
up
from
six
stories.
B
A
version
of
the
current
proposal
was
put
before
City
Center
panel
at
pre-application
stage
back
in
2019
before
the
pandemic.
This
was
for
a
24
story,
development
of
a
different
design
and
is
relevant
insofar
as
members
indicated
that
they
were
supportive
in
principle
of
the
tall
building
in
this
location.
B
The
applicant's
presentation
at
this
time
included
a
30-story
option,
but
the
proposal
description
did
State
24
stories
and
that's
what
was
carried
through
to
the
minute
due
to
the
length
of
time
since
the
original
pre-app
and
the
number
and
nature
of
the
changes
to
the
proposal
is
being
put
forward.
As
a
position
statement
at
this
stage
with
members
being
asked
to
look
at
various
aspects
of
the
updated
proposal,.
B
B
Located
on
the
western
edge
of
holbeck
in
a
commercial
setting
with
the
railway
side
in
currently
housing
a
facility
which
processes
an
exports,
aggregate
derived
from
Road,
sweepings
sweepers
coming
by
Road
and
the
process
materials
exported
by
rail,
this
is
190
meters
to
the
Northeast,
with
a
lower
rise
office
block
adjacent
to
the
east.
A
number
of
light
industrial
units
occupy
the
area
across
Springwell
road
to
the
north.
B
B
This
shows
that
you
say
in
the
context
of
holbeck,
with
newer
developments
in
holbeck,
Urban
Village
to
the
East
and
most
of
the
traditional
residential
areas
located
somewhere
to
the
South,
which
is
also
where
most
of
the
community's
green
spaces
are
within
the
neighborhood
plan.
The
proposal
sites
in
an
area
encouraged
for
commercial
uses.
Although
the
relevant
policy
doesn't
preclude
residential
development.
B
B
B
It's
just
for
further
along
Springwell
road,
again
showing
The
Wider
context,
and
this
is
from
The
Junction
between
Springwell
Road
and
Whitehall
Road.
The
first
phase
of
the
development
being
almost
built
out
members
are
being
asked
to
come
to
a
view
on
a
continued
support
of
the
principle
of
development,
along
with
the
height
of
36
stories
and
the
design
and
use
of
materials,
all
of
which
are
new
elements.
B
Although
clearly
the
proposed
building
will
be
taller
than
those
of
the
blocks.
It
also
shows
the
relationship
between
the
proposed
building
and
Bridgewater
place
to
the
east,
both
of
them,
which
will
be
seen
as
Gateway
buildings
from
different
approaches
into
the
city,
and
this
is
just
to
show
the
version
which
was
previously
considered
by
members.
B
B
Again,
the
tile
building's
design
guide
suggests
there
could
be
merits
in
establishing
buildings
and
clusters
different
heights,
and
this
shows
the
pattern
of
new
development
in
the
city
moving
increasingly
to
the
South,
notably
there's
a
an
approval
for
a
32-story
block
at
Midlands
Mills
directly
to
the
east,
about
equal
in
terms
of
distance
to
the
south
of
the
city
center,
and
this
shows
this
was
taken
from
upper
work
later
and
how
the
building
would
sit
within
the
skyline
from
a
distance.
B
B
Members
are
also
being
asked
for
the
views
on
the
provision
of
green
space
in
line
with
policy
G4.
This
policy
does
allow
for
off-site
provision,
and
in
this
case,
all
of
the
requirement
is
to
be
provided
as
a
commuted
sum,
which
would
be
just
short
of
half
a
million
pounds
to
be
put
towards
improvements
of
green
infrastructure
in
the
locality.
B
B
With
regard
to
the
proposed
building
itself,
members
are
being
asked
to
come
up,
come
to
a
view
on
design
and
materials.
The
applicant's
gone
for
a
simple
but
distinctive
form,
with
a
brick
base
which
would
include
an
active
Frontage
made
up
of
the
building's
entrance
and
the
entrance
to
the
commercial
element.
B
B
The
applicant
with
the
applicant's
win
report
has
been
peer-reviewed
and
everything
Stacks
up
with
regard
to
amenity
and
safety,
but
ultimately
the
amount
required
is
is
fixed
and
a
view
will
have
to
be
taken
and
whether
or
not
the
street
scene
would
be
unduly
cluttered.
B
Final
details
can
be
dealt
with
by
a
condition,
but
but
what
we
have
so
far
looks
quite
promising
in
terms
of
providing
an
interesting
feature
at
ground
level,
consisting
of
a
combination
of
sculptural
forms
and
more
linear
types
of
screen,
and
this
is
just
from
a
slightly
different
angle,
showing
how
the
spacing
would
open
up
views
of
the
frontage
for
pedestrians
as
they
walk.
Past
I
will
still
have
some
concerns
about
whether
or
not
the
structures
would
oversale
Highway
land,
which
includes
the
Footwear
shown
here
in
a
darker
color.
B
B
In
terms
of
the
impact
on
the
apartments
themselves,
there
are
currently
no
sunlight
assessments
submitted
other
than
what's
being
shown.
A
brief
LinkedIn
glare
document
has
been
recently
submitted
that
this
relates
only
to
the
impact
on
the
adjacent
Railway
line
and
doesn't
touch
on
the
amenity
of
residents.
B
Exactly
how
this
connectivity
will
function
is
questionable,
given
that
a
partition
has
to
be
placed
down
the
center
for
wind
mitigation
purposes.
However,
the
adjacent
site
was
approved
on
its
own
merits
and,
in
this
case,
as
a
standalone
amenity
serving
the
residents
of
the
application
building.
It
works
well
enough,
adding
a
good
level
of
biodiversity
net
gain
and
reasonably
private
elevated
communal
space.
B
Site
offers
18
parking
spaces
all
EV
connected
along
with
three
Cash
airspaces
being
provided
on
street
and
two
disabled
spaces
in
line
with
policy
requirements.
The
location
is
considered
to
be
close
enough
to
the
cons
to
the
city
center,
to
be
able
to
sustain
a
lower
level
of
parking.
There's
to
be
ample.
Provision
of
cycle
stands
in
the
basement,
which,
subject
to
final
details
being
agreed
by
condition,
should
accommodate
every
apartment.
B
Negotiations
are
also
underway
for
a
commuted
sum
to
be
put
towards
cycle
infrastructure
along
Whitehall,
Road
and
members
are
asked
for
the
views
on
this
as
a
adequate
offset
to
the
lower
level
of
parking.
B
B
The
living
accommodation
starts
at
level
two,
the
apartments
of
policy
complaint
in
terms
of
room
sizes
and
accessibility.
The
members
are
asked
to
comment
on
the
housing
mix
which
comes
in
at
10,
3,
bed,
42
tool,
bed
and
48.
One
bed,
which
is
consistent
with
other
developments
of
this
scale
and
type
in
the
city
center.
B
The
first
30
floors
provide
a
mix
of
one
and
two
bed
units.
Seven
percent,
affordable
units
will
be
provided
across
floors,
two
three
and
four
amounting
to
26
out
of
a
total
provision
of
29..
B
This
does
generate
a
degree
of
clustering
which
wouldn't
necessarily
be
in
line
with
policy
H5,
but
it's
all
being
provided
on
site
and
members
are
asked
whether
that
would
be
acceptable,
given
that
there
are
often
viability
cases
put
forward
against
on-site
provision
further
three
by
three
bed.
Affordable
units
will
be
provided
at
floor
30.
B
here,
the
clustering's
more
understandable,
given
that
all
of
the
three
bed
provision
for
the
development
is
to
be
on
the
top
three
floors,
with
the
top
floor
being
given
over
to
the
larger
duplexes
with
roof
Terraces,
as
I
mentioned.
There
are
also
further
communal
areas
on
this
level,
including
an
open
Terrace,
with
planting
to
provide
some
sustainable
drainage
options
and
two
further
roofed
areas,
one
of
which
is
being
called
the
sky
Garden,
although
it
does
have
a
roof.
B
That's
the
sky,
Garden
and
nasty
open
Terrace,
no,
just
a
a
final
note
on
the
proposal's
green
credentials,
the
construction
methodology
minimizes
the
heating
requirements
for
the
development,
which
will
then
be
met
in
part
by
a
combination
of
solar,
photovoltaic
cell
and
passive
heat
sources.
Average
Improvement
in
the
emissions
rate
is
36.14
an
average
energy
provision
from
low
carbon
energy
is
10.36,
which
is
all
in
line
with
policy.
B
So
just
to
conclude,
I'll
go
through
the
the
questions.
One
more
time
question
one:
do
members
continue
to
support
the
principle
of
a
residential
Tower
in
this
location?
Two?
If
so,
do
members
support
the
height
of
the
tower
at
36
units,
36,
Stars,
sorry,
question:
three:
do
members
support
the
design
of
the
tower,
including
use
of
materials?
B
Question
for
the
members
support
the
proposed
housing
mix.
Question
five:
do
members
support
the
provision
of
affordable
housing
across
flowers?
Two
three,
four
and
thirty
question:
six:
do
members
consider
the
levels
of
amenity
provided
for
Resident
residents
to
be
sufficient
question?
Seven.
Do
members
consider
the
relationship
between
phases,
one
and
two
to
be
acceptable?
B
B
Question
nine.
Are
members
happy
with
the
lower
level
of
parking
being
offset
by
the
requirement
of
a
contribution
towards
cycling
infrastructure
question
10?
Do
members
consider
the
amount
of
wind
mitigation
required
and
the
emerging
design
Solutions
acceptable
in
principle
and
with
that
I'll
hand
back
to
you
yeah?
Thank
you.
Thanks.
A
Very
much
I'd
like
to
now
invite
the
applicants
from
ID
planning
to
come
and
address
the
panel.
A
A
And
once
you're
ready,
there'll
be
four
minutes
available
for
you
to
speak.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you
chair
my
name's
Andrew
windrus
from
ID
planningham
joined
by
Nick
Brown
from
Nick,
Brown,
Architects
and
the
architect
for
the
scheme.
So
we'll
speak
quite
briefly
on
behalf
of
citylife,
the
applicants
who,
as
we've
talked
about,
are
also
the
developer
for
phase
one
Nick
will
talk
more
also
about
the
design,
but
then
we're
of
course
available
for
any
questions.
K
I
think
Steve's
covered
absolutely
everything
in
in
the
presentation
referenced
all
the
policy
points
and
being
compliant
in
all
those
technical
matters
with
respect
to
to
highways
or
the
rare
quality
elements,
the
the
ndss
and
then
also
providing
the
full,
affordable
housing
provision
intended
to
be
on
on
site
plus
the
Green
Space
contributions.
So
we
won't
repeat
too
much
of
that.
I
do
just
probably
just
one
two
to
emphasize
the
developer
is
obviously
delivering
phase.
K
One
and
you'll
have
seen
that
on
the
cyber's
return,
I'm
sure
when
you're
around
it
about
in
in
Leeds,
and
that's
coming
forward
very
well
nearing
its
completion
with
the
intention,
hopefully,
of
course,
to
move
on
to
this
site
next
door.
As
part
of
that
that
important
phase
phase
two
that's
always
been
designed
that
way
so
say
I'll
hand
over
to
Nick.
Who
will
talk
about
the
design
rationale
a
little
bit
further.
P
Thank
you,
as
Andrew
said,
the
the
the
the
report.
The
description
of
the
development
is
fantastic
and
we've
got
very
little
to
add
really
to
officers
presentation.
P
The
only
thing
a
couple
of
things
I
will
add
just
in
terms
of
some
of
the
questions
that
were
sort
of
raised,
I'd
like
to
provide
the
confidence
that
the
mitigation
can
sit
with
within
the
boundary.
There
was
a
question
about
just
whether
the
mitigation
over
sale,
the
the
the
footpath
we've
we've
worked
to
ensure
that
the
the
mitigation
does
sit
wholly
within
the
boundary,
so
it
doesn't
affect
the
the
the
footpath
and
the
potential
concerns
from
the
highways
Department.
P
The
the
other
small
point
I
would
make.
Is
there
was
a
question
about
the
partition
between
phase
one
and
phase
two
at
the
Garden
level?
Obviously,
the
connectivity
between
the
two
phases
is
very
important
for
the
client
and
architecturally.
It's
it's
very,
very
important
as
well.
The
the
there
is
a
partition,
but
there
are
gaps
within
that
partition
to
allow
the
the
residents
to
to
to
walk
between
the
two
areas
of
of
the
garden
space.
P
So
I
just
felt
it
was
important
to
to
raise
mention
that
and
then
finally,
and
again,
you
know,
the
description
was
was
was
perfect
really
in
terms
of
our
approach
to
the
design
really
sort
of
challenged
by
the
the
client
to
create
a
building
which
really
complemented
the
the
the
architecture
of
phase
one.
And
we
we
felt
to
do
that.
The
the
best
way
was
to
create
a
tall
slender,
attractive
building
which
provides
it
was
created
of
materials
which
which
complement
the
brick
of
phase
ones.
P
That
we've
brought
the
the
Brick
length
through.
So
there
is
a
visual
connectivity
between
the
two
buildings,
but
then
it's
a
very,
very
different
contrasting
materials
with
it,
with
the
reflections
of
the
glass
and
the
the
white
aluminum
cladding
of
the
of
the
insulated
panels
and
the
ventilation
panels
within
within
the
facade
and
the
the
orientation
as
as,
as
was
presented
of
the
tall
building,
allows
the
the
the
daylight
within
the
the
garden
space
to
be
optimized.
It.
P
It
increases
separation
distances
between
the
two
buildings,
but
the
the
other
point
is
that
it,
the
the
orientation
actually
in
terms
of
the
Civic
side
of
things,
makes
the
building
align
with
white
or
Road,
and
therefore
the
developments
that
sit
along
white
or
road
I
mean
we.
P
We
see
this
as
a
natural
extension
of
the
development
growth
down
Whitehall,
Road
and
sort
of
pioneering
element-
that's
you
know,
within
within
holbeck
and
hopefully
encouraging
other
high
quality
development
to
come
forward
in
hold
back
so
that
that
alignment
with
Whitehall
Road
and
the
buildings,
and
so
it's
a
natural
sense
of
the
buildings
working
together
across
the
City
Escape
as
another
important
aspect-
and
that's
that's
me.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Lovely.
Thank
you
very
much,
I'd
like
to
now
invite
any
members
to
ask
questions
to
officers
on
this
application.
F
Thank
you
thanks
for
that,
the
so
the
the
win
mitigation
side
of
things
right,
how
many
trees
could
be
fit
in
instead
of
that
women
mitigation
and
how
policy
compliance
is
a
wind
mitigation
sort
of
trimping,
the
the
trees
that
can
be
provided
on
site.
B
In
in
in
in
terms
of
mitigation,
we're
not
really
supposed
to
use
natural
trees
for
safety
purposes,
because
they
can.
B
Different
shapes
and
sizes,
so
we
we
would
require
those
those
structures
to
be
there.
So
do
you
mean
that
you
will
go
trees
as
well
as
those
structures.
F
Yeah,
sorry,
what
I
meant
was
how
many
trees
could
be
fit
in
on
the
site
if
the
building
wasn't
designed
to
require
that
level
of
wind
mitigation.
B
Most
of
those
most
of
those
mitigation
elements
are
at
the
front
which
will
be
on
an
open,
an
apron
anyway
and
I
think
there
are
quite
a
lot
of
the
planting
is
sort
of
more
on
the
podium
Garden
area,
and
some
of
that
does
have
a
a
wind
mitigation
function
because
it
doesn't
pertain
to
the
to
the
highway.
B
So
it
wouldn't
necessarily
be
planted
up
anyway,
because
you'd
be
sort
of
on
the
on
the
on
the
main
Frontage.
So
there
might
be
some
Street
trees,
but
there
won't
be
a
significant
amount
of
planting.
I
wouldn't
have
said.
O
Can
I
just
jump
in
there
briefly?
Sorry,
it's
a
really
difficult
question
to
answer.
Is
that
Council
Brooks,
because
actually
you
know.
O
B
O
That
kind
of
answers,
your
question
to
have
trees
there
and
no
wind
mitigation
at
all
you'd
be
going
way
way
down
and
that's
way
below
what
was
discussed
in
the
previous
pre-application
stage,
which
I
know
most
of
which
is
irrelevant,
but
the
one
thing
that
was
taken
away
from
that
that
this
area
was
suitable
for
a
tower,
but
not
neces,
specifically
the
the
exact
height
but
but
yeah.
The
only
way
to
achieve
what
you're
suggestion
is
to
take
it
right
down
to
six
stories.
O
To
be
honest
with
so
it's
not
really
a
question
that
can
be
answered
to
be
fair,
especially
with
the
background
of
the
you
know,
this
sort
of
agreement
that
a
towel
wasn't
successful
in
that
location.
I
hope
that
helps.
F
Thank
you
just
as
a
follow-up
question,
then,
in
terms
of
the
wind
mitigation
on
the
street
scene.
Right
has
any
has
anything
been
done
to
assess
pedestrian
safety
in
terms
of
walking
through
the
area,
if,
like
visibility
of
those
pedestrians
and
natural
surveillance,
and
how
that's
going
to
impact
on
it,.
B
I
would
say,
there's
still
work
to
be
done
on
that
the
imagery
we've
got
is
quite
recent.
There
are
some
plans
which,
which
we'll
be
looking
at
it'll,
be
for
colleagues
in
highways
to
to
scrutinize
it,
but
we've
not
got
that
level
of
detail
just
yet,
but
but
we
would
expect
that
that
would
be
looked
at
quite
closely
yet.
O
Again,
Chad
just
to
chip
in
and
apologize
for
this,
and
we
also
do,
of
course,
have
an
Insight
in-house
access
officer
that
will
obviously
be
consulted
on
the
scheme.
Ultimately,
when
we're
a
bit
firmed
up
on
more
firmed
up
on
exactly
how
many
structures
that
are
required
of
that
nature,
because
I
understand
the
point
that
you
know
if
you're
visually
impaired,
obviously
that's
quite
a
lot
of
stuff
there,
but
yeah
the
access
officer
will
be
consulted
on
the
proposal
before
it
comes
back.
F
Sorry,
it's
on
the
same
thing
and
I
wasn't
speaking
specifically
only
about
access.
I
was
also
talking
about
the
safety
of
pedestrians
circulating
around
the
building
and
whether
the
structures
would
be
detrimental
to
natural
surveillance
or
not
like
so
more
about
the
Safety
and
Security
of
people,
as
well
as
the
the
accessibility
issue.
That's
all.
O
What
we've
got
proposed
so
far,
if
you
notice
the
the
almost
like
champagne,
Bowl
type
lattice
flutes,
are
quite
permeable
visually.
There
are
some
more
sort
of
more
traditional
structures,
hidden
amongst
the
the
screens,
but
those
are
actually
lifted
high
on
panels
to
deflect
the
wind
before
it
gets
down
to
the
ground,
so
I
think
the
along
the
ground
level
at
sort
of
human
scale.
I
think
the
the
visibility
would
be
there
that
Council
Brooks
is
seeking.
E
Yeah,
it's
it's
on
a
similar
event
of
points
like
I.
Suppose
the
question
is
the
first.
The
principle
of
a
tower
is
kind
of
been
pre-agreed
in
the
previous
application.
So
that's
fine
so
that
to
a
certainly
said
that
kind
of
deal
to
themselves,
but
we
are
talking
about
the
scale
and
that
the
scale
is
dictating
to
a
certain
extent
the
significance
of
the
wind
mitigation
measures,
because
I
did
notice
the
spell
things.
E
I
did
notice
the
things
on
it's
a
lot
and
that
is
going
to
have
a
significant
visual
impact
as
well
as
in
the
area.
Is
that
and
I
know
the
answer
to
this
question?
We're
going
to
ask
it
anyway
is
the
sheer
amount
of
wind
mitigation,
because
the
tower
is
so
tall
because
it's
a
lot
and
it's
a
lot
on
the
street
scene
and
if
a
lot
of
stuff
shoved
on
to
columns
in
the
air
to
try
and
make
that
it's
just
a
lot.
B
I'm
not
sure
it's
just
the
height,
but
certainly
the
hype
lays
into
it
this
to
be
a
there'll,
be
an
impact
with
the
the
accumulation
of
buildings
in
the
area,
there's
an
impact
with
the
shape
of
the
building,
all
of
which
would
require
mitigation
and
clearly
we
need
to
have
a
situation
which
is
safe.
E
Just
as
a
follow-on
to
that,
because,
obviously
the
orientation
of
the
building
has
an
impact
on
the
Wind
have
overall.
Obviously
the
applicant
said
why
they
want
the
building
orientated
in
that
particular
way.
Have
other
orientations
of
the
building
being
looked
at.
That
would
mitigate
the
need
for
the
amount
of
wind
mitigation
to
try
and
help
reduce
that.
B
E
And
on
a
different
topic,
this
is
very
near
our
game,
very
starting
to
get
very
close
to
more
traditional
residential
areas,
which
obviously
have
a
much
lower
footprint,
putting
a
very
large
building
near
industrial
units,
which
will
probably
eventually
be
developed
at
some
point
therefore
starts
moving
the
height
demographic
of
that
area,
much
closer
to
more
traditional
areas.
N
So
I
think,
as
Steve
mentioned
earlier
in
this
presentation,
it
is
within
an
area
that
we
have
designated
as
a
potential
for
a
cluster
of
tall
buildings,
but
obviously
it's
recognized
the
proximity
to
the
rest
of
holbeck
further
to
the
South
there's
still
quite
a
distance.
Actually
yeah
it'd
be
helpful
if
we
could
display
that
that
image
again,
it
is
still
quite
a
distance
from
the
the
lower
residential
buildings.
Further
to
the
South
and
as
you
mentioned,
there
require
a
number
of
industrial
buildings
between
the
two.
N
So
it
might
be
quite
some
years
before
we
get
anywhere
near
approaching
those
residential
buildings
at
a
lower
scale,
but
take
the
point
and
as
Steve
mentioned
earlier
on,
we
are
seeing
a
sort
of
an
increase
in
the
number
of
taller
buildings
getting
closer
to
this
particular
site
so
that
it
won't
necessarily
be
an
outlier
for
much
longer
in
the
sense
that
taller
buildings
on
The
Fringe
of
the
city
center
are
creeping
towards
this
particular
site.
So
take
the
point.
Look.
E
So
the
question
was
and
I
appreciate
the
answer:
is
it
going
to
create
a
effectively
a
precedent
where
developers
can
come
to
us
and
say
actually
there's
a
demographical
build
in
this
area?
I
want
to
put
a
really
tall
building
right
next
to
those
two
or
three
story:
buildings,
because
actually
there's
only
a
building,
200
meters
away,
which
is
of
a
similar
height.
N
E
And
again
we
can
look
at
each
one,
but
we
often
look
at
the
context
of
the
area
and
actually
take
that
as
a
material
consideration.
So
if
you
have
lots
of
tall
buildings
there,
that
is
a
material
consideration
in
terms
of
what
is
and
is
not
acceptable.
So
I
understand
your
point
that
everything
is
on
its
own
application,
but
actually
we're
showing
a
really
really
really
big
tower,
not
a
million
miles
away
from
short,
Residential
Properties
and
to
suppose
the
question
for
us
is
panel.
Members
is
actually
do.
We
feel
the
stepping
completely
agree.
E
It's
an
acceptable
area
for
tall
buildings,
but
actually
what
is
the
stepping
as
you
go
from
that
smaller
residential
area
to
that
bit,
and
then
that
has
a
a
relationship,
kind
of
impact
on
what
else
might
be
considered
acceptable.
So
I
know
it
doesn't
set
a
precedent,
but
does
it
create
a
material
planning
consideration
when
other
large
applications
come
forward?
E
O
You
would
have
to
look
at
the
the
immunity
impacts
on
anything
that
was
significantly
lower,
so
the
likelihood
and
the
fact
that
it's
peripheral
anyway,
as
we
mentioned
before
it,
would
step
down
any
any
further
development
was
likely
to
step
down
and
then
and
of
course,
the
likeli
again.
If
it
was
tall
that
we're
coming
back
to
pounds
model
for
consideration,
so
I
think
that
probably
answers
it.
F
There
we
go
right
so
I'm
quite
concerned
about
the
lack
of
an
overarching
sort
of
strategy
for
provision
of
Green
Space
provision
of
education
infrastructure
provision
of
Health
infrastructure,
because
if
there's
going
to
be
a
cluster
of
tall
buildings
here,
then
we're
talking
about
essentially
putting
a
fair
amount,
more
extra
people
so,
like
you
know
the
the
equivalent
of
say,
5
000
people,
possibly
six
to
eight
thousand
people
over
the
course
of
a
period
of
time
there.
So
like.
F
Yes,
yes
about
the
Green
Space
contribution
that
was
mentioned,
but
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
any
anything
in
place
for
that
green
space
contribution
to
go
towards
so
that
people
can
access
Green
Space,
which
is
a
big
worry
for
me
and
in
terms
of
like
amenities
for
the
people
that
live
there.
I
understand
that
I
understand
that
there's
the
the
outside
spaces
have
been
provided,
but
I
question
how
usable
they
would
be
with
the
amount
of
when
mitigation
that
has
to
be
at
ground
level.
F
The
the
Terrace
area
would
only
be
a
floor
above
that,
so
surely
there
would
be
something
of
a
winter.
I
mean
I'm,
not
a
technical
expert
or
anything,
but
just
looking
at
looking
at
the
at
the
layout
of
the
building
in
relation
to
the
next
door.
F
E-Law
has
many
many
iterations,
and
yet
we
talk
we're
talking
about
a
higher
concentration
of
people
in
a
smaller
area.
So
that
means
that
the
the
space
that's
being
used
needs
to
be
used
much
much
more
wisely.
So
I'd
just
like
to
hear
a
bit
about
that.
Please.
B
In
terms
of
the
general
things
like
health
and
education,
there
would
be
a
seal
requirement,
so
that
would
be
211
451.
B
Which
will
go
to
sort
of
General
that
that
those
those
General
Servicing
requirements
in
in
terms
of
the
provision
of
Green,
Space,
The
Proposal
The
Proposal,
is
what
what?
What's
in
front
of
us?
So
we've
been.
We've
been
given
a
proposal
that
has
the
the
amenity
space
provided
for
residents
to
be
upset
by
by
a
commute
with
some
and
then
there's.
Obviously,
a
process
which,
through
which
that
can
you
assume,
is
allocated
in
the
in
the
locality
and
which
is
kind
of
beyond
the
planning
process.
O
So
again,
I'm
trying
to
keep
out
of
it
today,
yeah
yeah,
really
I
am
I.
Am
honestly
I
am
no
sorry.
One
of
the
questions
there
I
think
really
perhaps
should
be
put
to
the
applicant
was
about
how
usable
would
the
space
be
with
them
in
metabolation
when
we
get
to
that
particular
point,
so
I
think
that
can
be
put
to
the
applicant.
I
mean
health
and
education
is
an
interesting
one,
because
we've
said
this
many
times
these
days,
it's
effectively
private
providers
that
are
doing
that.
O
So
although
the
education
department
can
identify
that,
there's
a
need
or
ultimately
it's
the
private
providers
that
come
forward
and
provide
that
and
health,
likewise,
is
actually
a
business
these
days
with
the
the
the
doctors
that
operate
in
that
particular
area
to
to
seize
the
opportunity
and
come
in
so
you
can't
really
answer
that
in
terms
of
linking
the
provision,
the
Green
Space
contribution
good
to
hear
the
members
are
comfortable
with
the
summer
I
think
was
being
said
there
and
where
it
would
go
I
think
we
don't
have
a
strategy
as
such
I
was
just
asking
Jonathan
about
the
city
center
area,
but
I
think
the
best
thing
to
do
for
us
is
to
come
back
and
show
and
demonstrate
right
when
we
do
get
to
a
a
report.
O
A
Yes,
thank
you.
I
will
bring
in
councilor
Manaka.
I
Thank
you,
Tim
with
regards
to
you,
know
the
the
pockets
of
I.
Think
we've
spoken
a
lot
about
wind
mitigation.
I
think
the
first
question
I've
got
is
if
I'm
looking
at
the
you
know
the
pictures
that
have
been
given,
we
do
need
to
have
a
where
people
can
kind
of
like
walk.
It
seems
as
if
those
wind,
mitigating
things
are
a
lot
in
in
that
space.
I
Is
there
enough
for
people
to
be
able
to
walk
and,
and
you
know,
and
not
have
too
much
of
it
again,
I
think
it
just
goes
back
to
the
true
consulates.
They
are
questions
there
and
I
think
number
two
with
wind
mitigation.
I
Say
buildings
and
planning
that's
been
approved
before
with
there's
a
lot
in
in
the
city
center
of
Leeds
there's
a
lot
of
kind
of
like
where
it
can
kind
of
formulate
a
pocket
of
air
that
sort
of
Blows.
The
winds
in
between
the
buildings
is
this:
is
there
something
more
to
this
that
they
can
put
rather
than
what
we
see
at
the
moment?
I
It's
just
those
those
kind
of
questions,
I
think
I
have
for
them.
I
will
return
back
with
other
questions.
I
think
I
still
have
a
lot
thanks.
Joe.
B
So,
with
regard
to
the
ability
for
people
to
walk
again,
as
as
I
said
before,
the.
B
It's
still
an
ongoing
kind
of
situation
and
we
will
be
looking
at
it.
The
imagery
that
we've
got
so
far
suggests
that
the
zoom's
base
people
so
obviously
we'll
have
to
give
that
a
bit
more
scrutiny
and
I
just
missed
the
second
half
of
the
question.
If
you
could.
I
Thank
you.
You
know
the
second
part
of
it
is
say,
for
instance,
I'm
giving
Bridgewater
as
an
example
with
the
talk
the
way
the
height
of
this
building.
Is
this
what
32
36
stories?
I
We
have
those
the
first
phase
and
we've
got
this
new
building,
that's
just
closest
to
it.
So
I
think
my
my
question
is:
are
we
not
we're
concentrating
on
the
bottom
part
of
wind
mitigation?
Is
it
that
it
will
not
kind
of
like
deflect
from
the
top
and
just
bring
all
that
air
and
the
wind
in
between
these
and
I?
Think
that's
my
question.
I!
Don't
know
if
I'm
play
putting
it
correctly,
but
you
know
yeah.
O
Chair
again,
perhaps
that's
the
question
of
the
applicant
I,
get
where
you're
going
with
that.
The
wind
mitigation
at
the
moment
basically
is
around
the
periphery.
The
base
of
the
building.
Isn't
it
but
you're
suggesting
it?
Has
the
building
itself
been
designed
to
actually
impact
upon
that
potential
downforce
at
the
top
of
the
building
or
whether
there's
measures
are
there
so
I?
Think
again,
that's
something
to
pass
to
the
architect
in
a
minute
or
two.
If
that's
okay,.
E
We
are
getting
a
lot
more
information
now
that
the
the
demographic
of
the
city
center
population
is
changing,
we're
having
more
young
families,
we're
having
more
retiree
communities
and
obviously
I'm
I'm,
really
happy
to
say
to
see
that
the
the
building
will
be,
of
course,
the
compliant
on
accessibility,
but
it
kind
of
touches
on
the
Green
Space
issue
kind
of
just
on
the
immunity
we've
got
to
have
a
lot
of
families
in
this
area
with
young
children
in
very
short
order.
E
Not
just
on
this
there'll
be
something
that's
developed,
there'll,
be
something
that
composite
developments
nearby
and
therefore
it
begs
the
question
as
much
as
in
principle.
Actually,
if
you
weren't
looking
at
that
type
of
immunity
space,
actually
probably
the
Green
Space
provision
would
be
acceptable.
What
are
we
doing
to
actually
cater
for
the
fact
that
we
know
there
are
going
to
be
found
and
the
fact
that
we
have
two
and
three
bedroom
properties
kind
of
indicates?
E
We
know
there
are
going
to
be
some
families
in
the
area
and
actually
so
there's
that
and
the
the
second
bit
is
also
there's
some
external
community
spaces,
the
gym.
Where
is
it
for
people
to
sit
down
and
chat
where's
the
community
room
so
that
they
can
actually
do
other
things?
It's
something
again,
we're
speaking
to
a
lot
of
developers
about
now
and
doesn't
seem
to
be
coming
through
that
action.
E
There
needs
to
be
a
community
space
which
is
isn't
gym,
related,
isn't
sitting
outside
related,
it's
a
space
where
the
that,
let's
say
it's
36
stories
where
all
those
people
can
come
together
as
a
mini
community
and
actually
to
sit
down
and
have
a
coffee
together
or
have
a
games
night.
So
has
there
been
some
yeah?
Has
there
been
some
sort
of
internal
community
space,
Not
Just
external
community
space.
A
Yeah
I
I'll
put
that
to
the
applicants
shortly:
councilor
Taylor.
G
Mine
was
similar
to
M
counselor
array
with
the
children
leads
as
a
child
friendly
leads
and
three
bedrooms
is
a
family
property.
So
where
are
the
kids
to
play
in
all
this?
Come
go
back
to
council
Brooks
with
green
space,
I've
seen
anything
at
all
inside
the
imitive
for
young
people
to
play.
We
know
what
young
people
like.
They
cannot
locked
in
a
room:
24
7.,
there's
no
green
space.
There's
no
Park!
You
show
the
gym.
G
You
showed
other
places
that
will
accommodate
adults,
but
what
about
the
young
people
who
would
live
in
that
environment?
Where
would
they
go?
And
that's
my
big
concern.
A
A
L
You
very
much
well
I'm,
not
sure
where
this
actually
comes,
but
we're
talking
about
here
about
Summers
with
three
bedrooms
and
walking
and
if
it's
all
great
and
cycling
I
agree
for
this,
but
I
know
they
mentioned.
There
are
only
18
car
parking
spaces.
L
Now
to
me
it
seems
we
have
all
these
properties
so
so,
for
example,
in
that
three-bedroom
property,
the
people
that
have
two
cars,
so
they
take
up
two
car
parking
spaces
of
those
18
car
parking
spaces,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
other
residents
there
who
have
a
car.
Where
do
they
Park
and
then
the
other
question
I
have
to
ask
it
says
on
the
base
of
the
property
that
they're
having
small
commercial
shops
yeah.
So
where
are
they
then
going
to
park
if
they
have
a
car?
L
O
Okay,
yeah,
just
just
I
mean
it
is
just
on
the
periphery
of
the
city.
Centers
of
the
car
parking
requirements
are
less
I
mean
it
has
been
assessed
by
our
highways
office
and
and
Catherine
can
be
invited
to
come
into
comment
further
as
it
stands
at
the
moment.
O
I
think
we've
got
support
for
the
the
measures
that
have
been
provided
in
terms
of
of
cycle
parking,
Etc
and
alternative
measures,
but
we
have
to
remember
that
it
is
literally
just
across
the
railway
line
from
the
city
center,
where
the
requirement
of
car
parking
is
less
but
I
don't
know.
If
you
want
to
comment
further
Catherine.
D
D
There
is
the
car
clubs
that
we
are
going
to
convert
three
pan
display
base
to
car
clubs
and
those
have
been
shown
on
other
residential
sites
to
really
work
where
parking
is
low.
We
have
also
sought
tro
contribution
of
10
000,
whereby
we
will
try
and
protect
any
areas
if
parking
problems
arise,
and
then
we
talked
about
the
contribution
towards
this
cycle
scheme.
That's
coming
up
on
on
Whitehall
Road.
So
with
all
the
travel
plan
measures,
we
believe
that
we
are
trying.
You
know
this.
We
declare
climate
emergency.
O
Again,
just
just
took
one
more
thing
in
some
members
may
or
may
not
be
aware
that
Lee
city
council
is
actually
involved
in
this
scheme
for
introducing
electric
bicycles
into
the
City,
and
although
the
face
for
first
phase
is
running
from
the
city
center
North
there
are
plans
obviously
run
that
that
scheme
out
to
the
peripherals,
including
in
that
that
direction.
O
A
Lovely
next
on
the
list
is
councilor
Cavani.
C
Oh
great,
thank
you,
chair
on
the
on
the
parking
tack,
I,
absolutely
like
to
believe
that
the
18
18
places
are
sufficient.
I
think
well,
Joe
will
know
I'm
a
very
reluctant
motorist.
I
don't
use
the
car
if
I
could
possibly
avoid
it.
I
do
understand
totally
that
the
way
to
the
way
to
discourage
Superfluous
car
use
it
does
involve
constraining
parking
spaces
because
their
parking
spaces
are
provided.
They
will
inevitably
be
filled.
C
I'm
just
wondering
if
the
officer
from
highways,
I'm,
sorry
I,
didn't
coach.
Your
name
can
give
us
some
assurance
that
there's
evidence
from
what
we've
already
done.
Are
there
examples
of
large
residential
developments
like
this
in
the
city
center,
where
this
kind
of
ratio
has
been
shown
to
work?
D
The
example
I
can
give
is
one
that
has
not
yet
been
constructed,
but
we
have
a
site
in
I.
Think
it's
done,
dandora's
site
where
travel
planning
travel
wise
has
been
monitoring
a
country
called
the
parking
ratios
there,
but
we've
definitely
approved
this
same
ratio
of
packing
for
a
site.
That's
on
the
front
of
the
viaduct
on
the
Doncaster
monks,
Bridge
Viaduct,
and
we
shall,
in
addition,
have
a
car
park
management
plan
that
should
ensure
that
we
don't
get
problems
or
they
developer
themselves,
because
that
is
conditioned
I,
don't
know.
O
A
P
E
E
For
this
site,
yes,
and
we're
going
for
18.
right,
so,
okay,
so
I'm
a
city
center,
counselor
and
I
have
lots
of
City
Center
sites.
Where
there's
been
wonderful,
magical
ideas
that
your
limit
car
parking
spaces
and
guess
what
everybody
tries
to
buy
a
car.
And
then
they
all
compete
for
the
city
center
car
parking
spaces
which
we're
reducing
and
it
causes
a
numerous
conflicts.
But
on
a
more
fundamental
point,
it's
actually
about
one
of
the
free
sustainability
targets
we
have
as
a
council.
E
E
So,
unless
we're
actually
designing
by
intention
to
create
this,
to
be
a
space
for
younger
people
who
are
highly
mobile
without
a
car
and
therefore
intentionally
creating
a
development
which
is
therefore
intrinsically
unsustainable
in
community
terms,
as
well
as
probably
in
economic
terms
in
the
long
term,
18
car
parking
spaces
is
ridiculous
and
I'm.
Sorry,
if
the
idea
that
you'd
have
that
many
flats
and
only
18
parking
spaces
is
just
beyond
I
I'm.
Sorry
now.
O
What's
up
with
you
guys
come
on
now
seriously,
I
understand
the
question
completely.
That
was
there
at
the
end,
because
it
was
more
of
a
comment
and
because
of
the
way
the
city
council
has
drawn
up
its
sustainability
policies
within
the
within
the
city.
Actually,
in
terms
of
this
particular
scheme,
I
think
the
answer
would
have
to
be
no,
but
it's
because
of
the
way
the
policies
are
actually
drawn
for
these
sort
of
locations.
O
With
these
towers,
we
don't
we're
not
required
to
so
yeah
I,
don't
know
how
to
take
that
forward,
we'll
we'll
try
and
answer
the
question
when
we
come
back
but
as
I
say,
the
policy
context
that
we
have
in
these
areas
for
this
Tower
wouldn't
require
us
to
actually
go
into
that
sort
of
detail.
Counselor
right.
E
O
I'm
not
actually
saying
that
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
that
the
way
it's
it's
drafted,
it
has
a
different
tack
on
what's
considered
to
be
acceptable
yeah
to
what
you're
putting
forward
I.
Think
that's
the
answer
to
that,
but
that's
it,
but
that
but
but
I'll
just
reiterate
this.
That,
obviously,
is
an
adopted
Council
stance
as
it
stands
at
the
moment.
A
F
Thank
you,
yeah
I
I
have
I
have
to
agree
in
terms
of
like
the
the
level
of
car
parking
is
incredibly
low,
but
I'm
I
I'd
like
to
just
ask
a
couple
of
questions
about
the
about
the
I.
Guess
like
the
massing
and
the
density
I
mean
we've
already
sort
of
touched
on
the
density,
but.
F
Are
we
are
we
sure
right?
Are
we
sure
that,
as
as
a
as
a
local
Authority,
are
we
sure
that
the
the
number
of
units
that
are
included
in
this
development
and
the
the
the
sort
of
high
and
scale
amassing
density?
All
of
that
stuff
Stacks
up
are?
We
are
we
sure
about
that,
like
it's
quite
quite
a
I,
suppose
straightforward
question,
but
it's
also
yeah.
B
Well,
it
it
meets
the
density
policy,
because
the
density
is
a
is
a
minimum
requirement,
so
it
it
meets
identity,
500
and
not
0.3
of
a
hectare.
It
meets
policy
by
Miles.
So
so
the
simple
answer
is:
is
yeah
from
planning
policy
terms.
F
Is
that
the
only
thing
that's
taken
into
account
now,
when
because
I
mean
you
know
this
in
terms
of
national
planning
policy
framework,
I
mean
it's
all
written
down
in
in
the
report
that
you
so
kindly
put
together,
but
it's
you
know
achieving
sustainable
development
delivering
a
sufficient
supply
of
homes.
Yes,
of
course
it
does
that
building
a
strong
competitive
economy
I'm
not
sure
about
that
promote
e,
promoting
healthy
and
safe
communities.
F
You
know
we've
been
talking
about.
Green
Space
been
talking
about
like
access
to
Health
infrastructure.
Education,
Council
rages
touched
on
whether
whether
this
this
development
is
designed
to
be
a
long-term
sustainable
place
to
live
or
whether
it's
more
targeted
towards
people
who
are
not
going
to
be
around
for
a
long
time,
making
effective
use
of
land
I
mean
I'm,
not
sure
that
the
amount
of
wind
mitigation,
that's
that's
got
to
be
put
in
place,
is
an
effective
use
of
land
achieving
well-designed
spaces.
Similarly,
why
is
it?
F
Is
it
really
a
well-designed
space
if
that
amount
of
wind
impact
has
to
be
there,
conserving
and
enhancing
the
natural
environment?
When
there's
no
Street
trees
by
yeah
I,
just
I
I
struggle
to
see
how
this
proposal
is
policy
compliant.
M
J
N
O
We
could
say
is
that
statements
again
a
comment
that,
rather
than
a
question
I
mean
oh
yeah.
Well,
okay,
sorry,
all
I
can
say
in
respect
of
that
is
that
we've
not
articulated
well
enough
in
the
report
that
when
we
do
come
back
with
the
application
for
a
decision,
we'll
we'll
obviously
try
here,
try
harder
and
do
better
in
terms
of
convincing
members
of
what
we
said
about
the
policy
compliance
with
regard
the
the
the
bits
that
have
been
created
and
the
wind
Mitigation
Of
course.
O
We
will
be
coming
back
anyway
with
further
detail,
because
that
we
know
that
that
has
to
be
considered
further.
So
yeah
I
see
most
of
that,
as
a
question
actually
was
I.
Suppose
going
back
to
look
at
the
the
sort
of
policies
that
have
already
been
accepted
by
the
the
the
the
council,
so
we
all
I
can
do
is
we
can
go
away
and
try
and
articulate
that
better
in
terms
of
answering
those
questions,
thank
you.
A
In
the
report,
should
it
be
brought
back,
we'd
be
able
to
I
guess,
put
a
paragraph
under
each
of
those
so
that
that
explanation
is
there
or
it
or
isn't
there.
M
I
think
we've
we've
given
training
to
members
to
understand
that
policies
pull
in
lots
of
different
ways.
So
it's
not
it's
not
just
a
checklist
that
you
have
to
go
through
to
the
National
planning
frame.
Where
you
can't
just
say:
that's
the
person,
that's
the
person,
that's
the
past.
It
depends
on
the
development.
Sometimes
you'll
have
to
pull
away
from
a
particular
aspect
of
the
framework,
but
it's
for
you
as
a
decision
maker,
to
decide
whether
overall
it
complies
with
policy
and
B.
Does
it
result
in
sustainable
development?
M
A
Thank
you,
councilman.
I
Thank
you,
sir,
and
again,
please
do
forgive
if
this
question
is
not
for
the
officers
rather
to
the
developers,
you
know
with
the
I
think
level
housing
mix
in
level.
Do
you
apologize
I'm
just
going
to
go
on
my
notes
quickly?
There,
okay
I,
know
that
there
is
something
to
consider
on
a
floor.
I
2,
3.30,
I
think
my
question
here
is:
are
those
that
which,
which
are
for
three
bedrooms,
which
are
for
single
bedrooms
and
stuff
I,
think
my
question
will
then
lead
on
to
a
safety
if
we
are
to
possibly
have
say,
for
instance,
three
bedroom
cons,
I'm
just
gonna
have
an
assumption
that
it
would
be
a
family
house
and
there
is
no
balcony
outside
for
for
them
to
be.
You
know
to
have
space
for
kids
and
other.
I
B
So
for
the
three
bed
units
they'll
all
be
on
level
30
to
33.
I
But
will
they
consider
Juliet
railings
around
those?
You
know
the
ones
that
I've
I've
Just
Seen
used
on
the
you
know
the
building
that
that's
next
to
it.
There's
some
railings
there
just
kind
of
like
yeah.
B
A
Thank
you,
I've
got
Council
array,
who's
already
indicated
and
then,
if
I
can
do
one
final,
if
any
members
would
like
to
make
questions
to
officers
and
then
I'm
going
to
move
it
to
open
to
questions
to
the
applicant.
E
Should
we
assume
for
the
moment
that
the
panel
agrees
on
the
housing
mix
and
the
the
parking
which
I've
Got
a
Feeling
we
won't
agree
with,
but
on
in
general?
Are
we
able
to
condition
that
there
is
an
allocated
parking
space
per
affordable
because
Berry
Monday
are
more
likely
to
be
used
because
of
the
size
towards
the
family
end
so
that
they
at
least
have
a
guarantee
of
some
form
of
parking
in
that
space?.
O
Sorry,
yes
chair,
we
can.
We
can
look
at
whether
the
the
three
beds
can
be
provided
with
parking
space
we'd
have
to
discuss
it
with
the
applicants
and
whether
the
mix
would
change
the
results
of
the
debate
today.
But
we
can
certainly
look
at
resolving
that.
C
Thank
you,
chair,
I'd,
like
to
ask
a
question
related
to
the
relationship
between
the
two
phases.
I
think
it's
particularly
pertinent
to
that
to
do
with
sunlight
and
a
notice
within
the
report,
there's
a
reference
to
a
partial
information
being
available
about
the
things,
the
implications
of
that
glare
from
the
point
of
view
of
the
Railway
Goods
yard.
But
certainly
there
was
a
sense
that
more
information
will
be
welcome
about
the
the
implications
of
Shadow
and
glare
from
glare
from
the
building.
C
We'll
work
we'll
be
able
to
obtain
some
more
clarity
on
that
for
in
the
succeeding
phrases
so
understand
better.
What
the
implications
of
for
this
the
materials
of
the
of
the
tower
I
think
essentially,
yes,
is
concerned.
J
B
And
yeah
we
can
ensure
that
further
information
is
submitted
and
scrutinized
on
that
yeah.
C
Right,
thank
you
and
Ally
to
that
I'm,
just
wondering
with
the
aluminum
and
glass
construction
and
I
think
this
may
be
broader
than
us
than
the
implications
for
phase
one
who
closest
to
it
and
see
it.
But
how
is
this
material
likely
to
weather
and
wear
over
years
ahead?
I
mean
I'm
just
sort
of
thinking,
it's
very,
very
bright
and
glistening
and
illustrations
here.
I'm
just
wondering.
Would
it
look
the
same
way:
30
40
50
years
time?
C
C
O
A
That's
okay,
I
think
I've
I
think
I've
got
it
so
we'll
move
now
to
questions
the
applicants
Council
on
tree
I'll
pass
that
one
over
as
well
in
terms
of
how
we're
expecting
the
materials
to
weather
I
think.
The
key
points
that
have
been
raised
so
far
and
for
the
applicants
are
the
high
wind
mitigation,
whether
or
not
some
more
could
be
done
higher
up.
A
That
means
there's
less
on
the
ground
level,
whether
there's
access
to
us
putting
a
community
space
in
internally,
a
car
parking
car
parking
spaces
and
car
parking
spaces
around
the
commercial
element
and
then
I'm
going
to
take
a
liberty
as
a
chair
and
ask
a
couple
myself,
which
is
I
would
like
to
see
if
we're
having
play
areas,
I.E
a
gym
for
adults,
I'd
like
to
see
soft
play
inside
for
young
people
as
well,
and
then
also
for
me,
if
you
haven't,
got
a
garden
and
you've
got
children,
then
you'll
have
things
like
football
scooters,
possibly
bikes
that
need
somewhere
bikes
less
so
because
they
could
go
in
the
bike,
rack
of
course,
but
things
for
playing
outside
with,
but
nowhere
outside,
such
as
a
shed
to
store
it.
A
So
how
are
we
going
to
make
sure
that
there's
provision
within
the
properties
for
that
type
of
storage
for
kids
outdoor
play
stuff?
Thank
you.
P
Thank
you,
chair,
I'll,
try
and
go
through
a
few
of
the
the
questions
and
hand
over
to
to
Andrew,
there's.
P
Obviously,
a
lot
of
questions
about
the
winds,
wind
mitigation
in
terms
of
orientation
and
the
the
scale
of
the
mitigation
that
we
are
proposing,
the
as
a
tall
building,
the
the
the
the
it's
been
assessed
through
cfd
and
a
wind
tunnel
down
in
Imperial,
College
London,
and
you
know
effectively
what
what
it
shows
is
that
the
the
main
risk
to
so
the
wind
conditions
are
from
the
East
and
and
Southeast
they're,
so
the
primary
directions
of
the
strong
winds.
P
P
There's
a
there's
a
question
about
the
sort
of
the
funneling
of
the
wind
between
the
two
phases.
It's
true,
the
the
the
wind
does
hit
the
the
Western
facade
of
or
the
Northwestern
facade
of
the
building
and
get
brought
down
towards
the
the
garden
level.
P
P
So
the
the
wind
mitigation
proposed
and
deals
with
the
safety
factors
first
and
and
ensures
that
there
is
no
risk
to
safety
for
pedestrians,
cyclists,
walking
past
the
development
or
pedestrians
residents
within
the
development
and
then
in
terms
of
comfort.
Again,
the
proposal
ensures
that
the
environment
at
ground
floor
and
at
first
floor
in
the
the
the
shared
Garden
space
is
sufficient,
that
people
can
sit
comfortably
and
can
walk
comfortably
and
actually
can
enjoy
the
space
rather
than
worry
about,
obviously,
the
impacts
of
the
wind.
P
So
a
lot
of
the
the
Landscaping
proposed
for
the
the
the
the
first
floor,
Garden
space
is,
is
designed
into
perform
two
functions.
You
know
visually
to
be
attractive,
but
also
it's
there
to
help
ensure
that
that
Comfort
level
is
provided
at
at
the
first
floor
level
and
in
terms
of
the
community
a
space.
P
That's
it's
an
interesting
question
is
something
obviously
we
can
take
to
to
the
client
I
guess
you
know
what
we
are
providing
a
a
lot
of
in
relative
terms
in
the
immunities
for
residents
the
gym
space
and
the
swimming
pool
is,
is
something
that
you
know
we
we
haven't
designed
on
other
schemes,
City
Center
schemes,
but
it
does.
P
You
know
the
the
space
is
so
generous
that
it
does
actually
give
the
opportunity
to
actually
think
about
internal
play
space
for
for
children,
children's
gym
and
just
to
add
to
the
the
spaces
on
site
that
are
suitable
for
for
families
and
obviously
we
we
would
see
the
the
protected
area
at
first
floor
in
terms
of
the
Terrace
as
being
a
you
know,
a
suitable
and
safe
environment
for
children's
to
play-
and
you
know
in
in
the
unlikely
event
that
it
rains
in
in
Leeds.
P
So
there's
there's
also
the
the
covered
internal
Sky
Garden
at
the
top
of
the
building,
which
again
is
a
safe
environment,
an
open
environment
and
one
which
can
offer
views
across
across
the
city
so
that
and
the
top
floor
on
the
top
floor,
there's
also
an
external
player
of
immunity,
space
stroke
play
area
which
is
uncovered
but
is
in
terms
of
the
the
questions
about
safety.
P
Just
I
want
to
provide
Total
Comfort
on
that
in
in
terms
of
the
the
external
space
at
the
on.
The
top
of
the
building
is
actually
surrounded
by
a
three
meter:
high
sort
of
glazed
wall,
which
obviously
ensures
that
there's
there's
no
risk
of
people
looking
over
a
balcony
and
also
again
at
that
level.
It's
there
to
to
provide
the
Comfort
levels
because
of
the
wind
speeds
at
the
at
that
height,
so
I'll,
just.
K
Just
whilst
Nick
looks
a
couple
of
things
there,
I'll
just
just
touch
on
in
terms
of
that
amenity
space
again
that
that
will
go
through
a
design
development
as
we
go
forward,
subject
to
exactly
how
that
comes
forward,
that
these
ideas
that
were
provided
in
the
presentations,
glossy
images
things
like
that,
what
I've
actually
seen
on
a
lot
of
other
City
Center
schemes.
There
are
sort
of
it's
all
shared
coffee
shops
and
things
like
that,
where
it's
actually
free
to
use
coffee.
K
It's
all
sort
of
within
your
ground
rate,
that
type
of
thing
they
have
moving
partitions.
So
those
spaces
changed,
for
whatever
event
is
going
on,
whether
it's
a
community
meeting,
whether
it's
a
yoga
session,
whether
it's
again
more
sort
of
workspace
orientated
in
any
sort
of
partitioned
up
a
little
bit
more.
K
So
that's
certainly
something
hey
that
has
that
flexibility.
It
comes
through
the
detailed
design
and
we'll
we'll
take
on
board
and
perhaps
either
provide
some
more
imagery
or
some
some
detail
on
that
coming
forward.
Next
time.
With
regard
to
some
of
the
the
football
storage
element,
there
is
a
a
requirement
within
the
adopted
core
strategy
policy.
In
the
ndss
about
having
internal
storage
in
units
and
again,
it
would
complying
with
that
that
point
again
in
terms
of
some
of
the
both
internal
and
external
immunity.
K
There's
that
ability
to
do
storage
as
well
there,
which
again
would
probably
for
communal
use
communal
footballs,
of
course,
rather
than
your
individual
ones.
Likewise,
in
in
the
parking
area
that
we've
talked
about,
there's
a
requirement
for
bins
for
bikes
for
cars,
there's
the
site
isn't
massive,
are
massive
as
we've
talked
about,
but
we've
heard
the
comments
today
as
to
how
we
perhaps
still
look
to
potentially
move
that
around
accommodate
other
things
which
may
include
storage
as
well.
That's
often
included
within
storage
space
and
I.
Think
I'll.
Let
Nick
come
back
in
yeah.
P
Thank
you.
Sorry.
There
was
in
terms
of
the
wind
medication.
There
was
a
question
about
the
the
intensity
of
of
wind
mitigation
at
ground,
floor
level
and
obviously
the
images
do
show
a
a
number
of
these
tree-like
sculptures
at
ground
floor
in
front
of
the
building.
P
But
what
the
images
struggle
to
do
is
just
give
a
sense
of
the
scale
because
of
the
the
scale
of
the
building,
so
the
the
sculptures
are
predominantly
sort
of
five
to
six
meters
apart
so
in
terms
of
a
sense
of
scale,
it's
probably
from
The
Columns,
almost
to
the
to
the
EXO,
the
outside
of
the
of
the
desk
on
that
side.
So
you
know,
if
imagine
that
the
column
was
a
you
know
similar
scale
to
the
to
the
the
base
of
the
the
structure.
P
That
would
mean
we
have
a
you
know,
a
quite
a
wide
open,
generous
space
between
between
the
structures
and
you
notice
that,
with
on
the
images,
the
the
base
of
the
the
structures
there's
also
a
an
area
where
people
can
sort
of
sit
and-
and
you
know,
read
and
and
chat.
So
it's
so
I
just
wanted
to
give
that
a
sense
of
scale
which
is
you
know,
there's
plenty
of
space
to
walk
between
and
you
know
enjoy
the
enjoy,
the
quality
of
the
environment
down
there.
P
We
have,
as
the
officers
mentioned,
we
have
provided
a
some
notes
on
the
the
sunlight
aspect
and
again
the
orientation
of
the
of
the
two
phases
and
the
and
the
fact
that
actually,
the
the
scale
of
of
the
first
phase
sort
of
steps
down
towards
Spring
Mill
Road
it
all
all
is-
is
designed
to
ensure
that
the
the
amount
of
sunlight
in
that
Central
space
is
is
optimized
and
optimized.
P
At
sort
of
you
know
the
important
part
of
the
day
in
terms
of
sort
of
late
morning
lunchtime
and
and
during
the
afternoon
where
the
sun
is
at
its
highest
and
and
warmest
and
when
activity
is,
is
at
its
greatest
the
the
glare
aspect.
Obviously,
we
are
close
to
the
railway
line,
and
it's
it's
something
that
obviously
we
need
to
take
seriously.
P
We
we've
we've
run
the
the
exercise
in
terms
of
identifying
I,
think
there's
five
signals
within
150
200
yards
of
the
building
on
the
on
the
main
line
in
in
into
and
out
of
the
station
we've
done
it
we've
run
the
exercise
in
terms
of
the
the
10
degree
view
for
the
for
the
drivers
within
the
train
to
make
sure
that
there's
there's
no
risk
of
of
glare
from
from
the
building
obscuring
the
the
views
for
the
drivers
and-
and
it's
proven
that
there's
no
risk
to
the
to
the
drivers
of
the
train.
P
So
that's
that's
an
exercise.
We've
run
and
are
content
that
the
so
that
key
issue
is
has
been
resolved.
P
There
was
again
reference
to
the
the
aluminum
and
glass.
The
sort
of
typical
design
life
of
the
the
cladding
will
probably
be
about
60
years
for
the
to
the
cladding
system.
P
Is
it
you
know
the
the
predominantly
it's
going
to
be
a
unitized
curtain,
Walling
system,
all
all
manufactured
within
the
within
a
factory
environment
brought
to
site
in
in
probably
sort
of
three
meter
by
three
meter
panels
which
reduce
which
reduces
the
risk
of
sort
of
damage
and
through
construction
on
site?
Therefore,
you
know
the
the
the
performance
of
the
of
the
materials,
particularly
the
the
Finish
to
the
aluminum.
P
P
It
will
be
maintained
by
a
a
Gantry
system
which
comes
from
the
top
of
the
building
and
and
works
works
its
way
around
the
the
building,
both
in
terms
of
cleaning
cleaning
the
building,
but
also
maintaining
the
the
the
cladding.
Over
the
years
the
there
was
a
question
about
location
of
affordable
housing,
as
as
the
officers
mentioned,
the
the
one
and
two
beds
are
located
on
levels.
Two
three
and
four
I
think
and
then
the
three
beds
are
located
on
on
level
30.
P
We
we've
again
we've
involved
in
a
number
of
schemes
in
the
city
center,
where
the
how
where
we've
wanted
to
provide
the
affordable
housing
on
site
and
the
process
that
we,
our
clients
have
to
go
through,
is
a
process
of
of
offering
those
Apartments
to
the
housing
associations
in
the
area
and
the
the
the
uptake
on
on
the
apartments
that
are
offered
to
the
to
the
housing
associations
is
is
well
is,
is
it
is
zero
and
there's
a
there's,
a
there's,
there's
a
number
of
reasons.
P
Why
we're
we
are
giving
as
to
why
these
apartments
are
not
not
attractive,
and
one
of
them
is
is
actual
the
the
cost
of
of
managing
the
the
apartments,
obviously
isolated
from
from
the
the
Housing
Association
just
sort
of
center
of
operations,
so
that
so
the
reason
we've
located
the
the
one
and
two
beds
close
together
on
floors.
P
Sorry,
two
three
and
two,
three
and
four
are
to
just
minimize
the
journeys
between
the
apartments
for
the
for
the
management
side
and
therefore,
hopefully,
to
make
them
more
attractive.
For
housing
associations
to
to
take
them
up
and
and
to
use
them
on
the
site,
I
think
that's
pretty
much
nicer.
A
I
think
the
only
one
of
the
questions
that
I
remember
that
hasn't
been
touched
on
is
car
parking.
K
Yes
sure,
yes,
we
briefly
mentioned
it.
There
were
a
couple.
Officers
have
covered
the
policy
position
in
great
detail
and
on
the
elements
and
which
are
layered
into
the
scheme
to
ensure
it
is
policy
compliant.
With
regard
to
the
car
club,
the
travel
plan,
the
cycle
parking
provision,
the
sustainable
travel
fund,
the
the
buy
car
scheme
as
well-
that's
coming
in
as
well
that
we've
seen
on
a
couple
of
other
schemes
that
will
get
expanded.
K
It's
normally
an
800
meter
radius
from
the
site
to
ensure
that
there's
not
the
ability
to
park
on
streets
in
the
surrounding
areas
which
that
800
meters
will
get
us
towards
some
of
those
more
traditional
Residential
Properties
in
holbeck
that
we've
talked
about
so
it'll
make
sure
that
it's
only
those
residents
that
come
parking
there-
and
you
know
no
one
from
this
site-
is-
has
the
ability
to
do
that.
And
of
course,
once
you
get
to
be
on
that
800
meters
you're
not
going
to
park.
K
Your
car
there
and
be
walking
and
announce
a
significant
distance,
even
if
people
were
to
consider
that
another
just
sort
of
point
to
to
add
into
the
discussion
we're
hearing
from
a
lot
of
developers
that
the
space
is
in
their
existing
buildings
that
are
perhaps
historic
and
schemes
that
provided
a
bit
more
parking
over
the
years.
K
I've
just
been
hired
out
to
commuters
and
the
residents
aren't
using
them
as
some
of
the
older
residents
moving
out.
Perhaps
again
it's
a
it's
a
generational
thing
perhaps,
and
it's
just
a
type
of
approach.
If
you
live
in
the
city
center,
does
that
acceptance?
More
so
that
you
don't
have
a
car?
That's
the
feedback,
we're
certainly
getting
into
that
goes
into
some
of
it.
K
In
addition
to
say,
a
lot
of
the
offices
are
are
wanting
us
to
push
the
parking
numbers
numbers
down
to
zero
in
schemes
very
close
to
here
that
have
been
approved
in
in
that
respect.
With
regard
to
the
the
commercial
parking
again
that
there
isn't
a
requirement
for
for
parking
for
commercial
units
in
this
entirely
sustainable
location.
But
there
is
a
requirement
for
is
the
servicing
and
that's
where
we've
looked
on
that
closely
with
regard
to
phase
one
and
phase
two
linking
together
in
terms
of
the
low
buys
Etc,
provided
it
for
them.
P
There
is
a
there's,
a
very
good
example
in
terms
of
evidence
for
this
scheme
in
the
city
center,
and
that
is
Phase
One,
where
the
provision
for
parking
is
57
spaces
for
to
224
Apartments
and
the
evidence
that
has
been
or
you
know,
all
the
apartments
have
now
been
sold,
but
all
of
the
parking
spaces
haven't
been
taken
up
and
there's
quite
quite
a
number
that
which,
which
haven't
so.
P
You
know
based
on
on
that
evidence
that
we,
we
have
sort
of
comfort
that
the
that
the
the
requirement
for
parking
space
you
know
will
not
be
significantly
more
than
the
the
19
spaces
that
are
being
provided
on
the
site.
Had
it
obviously
added
to
which
we've
got
the
the
car
club
spaces,
as
as
officers
mentioned,.
H
Thank
you
chair
in
the
report.
We've
got,
it
says
the
39
three
bed
units
is
not
an
insignificant
number
of
family
units.
It
then
goes
on
to
say
that
the
level
of
immunity
space
provided
is
not
necessarily
geared
towards
children
and
would
likely
appeal
to
a
different
demographic.
What
sort
of
demographic
family
Unity
talking
about
is
that
liable
to
be
geared
towards.
K
That's
what
that's
in
the
officer
report,
so
we
didn't
write
that,
certainly
in
terms
of
the
three
beds,
there's
there's
an
expectation
and
often
the
case,
so
there's
that
mix
there
will
be
some
families
that
will
take
that
there
will
be
some
sharers
these,
that
these
are
for
sale,
Apartments,
they're,
not
built
to
rent,
which
are
a
lot
of
the
the
tenure
that
we've
seen
come
forward
in
in
the
city
center
more
recently.
So
these
could
be
bought
by
a
family
that
could
be
bought
by
by
sharers,
and
that
can
be
be
either
way.
K
So
whether
the
reports
is
starting
to
indicate
that
I'm,
not
sure,
but
whether
that
wants
to
go
back
to
offices
in
terms
of
the
the
writing
there
in
terms
of
the
amenity
that's
provided
with
it,
we've
talked
about
how
we
can
look
at
giving
a
flavor
more
so
in
terms
of
the
the
different
type
of
immediate
space
that
can
be
provided,
not
just
coffee
shop
type,
specially
workspace,
but
also
the
soft
play
and
the
more
informal
play
in
that
sense.
A
No
okay,
in
which
case,
unless
officers
have
anything
they
want
to
add
no
lovely.
So
today
we
are
as
members
providing
comments
in
relation
to
the
10
questions
that
have
been
given.
A
What
I'll
do
is
I'll
go
through
the
questions
and
then,
if
you
can
indicate,
if
you
have
any
comments
that
you
would
like
to
make
so
question
one
and
I
wasn't
going
to
read
them
out,
but
that's
been
quite
a
long
process.
I
will
so
so
do
forgive
me
anyone
watching
with
it
in
front
of
them.
Do
members
continue
to
support
the
principle
of
a
residential
Tower
in
this
location.
A
L
I,
don't
know
to
me
it.
It
seems
as
though
it's
slightly
overbearing
for
the
area
in
relation
to
the
surrounding
proper
I
mean
I
know
they.
They
probably
will
be
development
later,
but
it
seems
to
completely
overshadow
the
one
that
is
being
built
at
the
moment
and
I.
Think
it's
too
high.
H
A
F
Can't
if,
if
there's
a,
if
there's
a
sort
of
management
kind
of
argument
around
the
affordable
housing
being
all
in
the
same
area,
I,
don't
then
understand
why
the
three
beds
are
so
far
away.
It
seems
really
illogical
to
me.
I
know,
I
know
it's
just
the
three
units,
but
why
it's
not
logical,
then
the
argument
that's
been
put
forward
about
that.
It.
I
Thank
you,
sir
I
think
I
echoed
the
same
to
councilor
Brooks,
it's
possibly
the
level
where
the
three-bedroom
is
is
at
and
I.
Think
for
me,
it's
it's.
If
I
could
have
something
that
says:
if
a
family
is
in
there,
the
kids
will
be
safe
or
you
know
their
pets
will
be
safe
or
something
along
those
lines
really
yeah.
O
Sorry
I
was
just
discussing
an
appointment
with
Jonathan
at
the
point
Council
of
Brook
raised
her
Point
could
I
just
ask
you
that
you
repeat
what
you
were
saying
there
so
I
capture
it
properly.
Thank
you.
Sorry.
F
Okay,
the
argument
has
been
put
forward
by
the
applicant
that,
from
a
managed
management
point
of
view
by
registered
providers
that
they
don't
want
to
take
on
units
that
are
far
apart
from
each
other,
like
pepper
potted,
as
as
would
be
policy
compliant.
So
it
doesn't
make
any
sense,
therefore,
that
the
affordable
housing
provision
is
allocated
at
levels.
Two,
three
four
and
thirty.
A
No
comments,
okay,
question:
six,
then:
do
members
consider
the
levels
of
immunity
provided
for
residents
to
be
sufficient
I'm
getting
shakes
so
can
I
have
some
comments.
Please
counselor.
A
I
think
for
me,
if
I'm
allowed,
to
make
a
comment
as
well,
yeah
just
checking
doesn't
normally
stop
me,
but
just
checking
this
time.
I
think
for
me,
it's
the
perfect
amenity
if
you
were
building
a
hotel,
but
not
the
perfect
Community
for
a
community.
A
Any
other
comments
on
question.
Six,
no
okay,
in
which
case
question
seven,
do
members
consider
the
relationship
between
phases,
one
and
two
to
be
acceptable.
F
I'd
say
it's
not
just
a
high.
It's
also.
You
know
this
there's
a
problem
with
like
Street
trees
and
softening
like
the.
F
If
the,
if
the,
if
the
proposed,
if
the
proposed
height
is
what
comes
in
as
a
full
application
right,
then
yeah
there's
a
there's,
a
high
problem
with
that.
But
then
it's
it's
also
about
the
the
Landscaping
between
the
two
sites
and
it's
about
it's
about
The,
Pedestrian
Journey,
between
the
two
sites
and
through
the
site
and
and
everything
else
so
yeah
I'd,
say
I'd,
say
it's
not
just
about
the
answer
to
question
two:
it's
a
load
of
other
stuff
as
well.
A
F
I
would
say
that
if
there
are
no
Green
Space
projects
in
the
pipeline
in
the
immediate
locality
within
maybe
one
or
two
minutes
walking
distance
of
the
locality,
then
it's
not
acceptable,
because
if
you've
got
that
density
of
people
and
again
I'm
talking
about
it
being
potentially
a
36
story
right.
E
E
Think
the
though
we've
obviously
talked
about
the
particular
issue
around,
not
that
it
creates
a
precedent,
but
it
kind
of
does
create
a
precedent
without
creating
a
precedent
in
turn:
contextual
Precision
I
like
the
way
that's
phrased,
then
actually
what
we're
then
starting
to
apply
onto
other
developments
in
the
areas
that
actually
they're
going
to
have
to
surrender
more
and
more
space
to
Green
Space,
which
actually
could
make
those
sites
unviable.
No,
no
I,
I,
I
I'm,
just
making
the
point
I
just
think
actually
for
the
world
members
in
that
area.
E
You
know:
I
I,
do
accept,
to
a
certain
extent
that
there
is
a
certain
type
of
demographic
that
moves
into
the
city
center
and
that
actually,
that
money
could
be
utilized
very
well
by
the
world
members
for
the
other,
existing
green
spaces.
So
I
think
in
principle.
We
should
have
more
on-site
and
there
are
questions
over
the
biodiversity
which
we
haven't
talked
about,
but
in
principle
under
policy
terms,
it
is
what
it
is
and
it's
it
we
would.
I
Thank
you,
Chan
I'm,
just
just
as
a
Point,
really
or
maybe
something
for
developers
to
consider.
If
you
go
and
I,
don't
know
whether
that
will
fall
within
the
regulations
and
all
if
you
go
down
Wellington
Street
there's
been
some
buildings
around
there
regards
to
Green,
Space
they've
got
I,
think
they've
kind
of
like
used.
I
It
lovely,
and
you
know
possibly
just
around
the
Wellington
I
know
that
Wellington
needs
more
commercial
rather
than
housing,
but
if
I
think
they've
used
that
you
know
with
the
context
of
it
being
in
the
city
center,
but
they've
they've
used
it
lovely
and
I
think
it
would
be
nice
to
consider
I
don't
know.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
O
So
yeah,
just
because
I
will
come
back
and
summarize
these,
because,
unfortunately,
that
task
will
fall
to
me
down,
but
I
I
think
really
I.
Think
it's
an
interesting
point
and
the
slight
difference
of
opinions
on
the
between
councilor
Brooks
and
Council
right.
There
I
think
that's
really
partly
for
us
to
work
with
the
applicant
in
terms
of
the
the
green
space
that
is
existing
in
the
area,
whether
it
can
work.
O
The
money
can
be
utilized
to
enhance
that,
but
also
potentially
with
the
ward
members
in
the
area,
because
obviously
there
will
be
an
opportunity
to
them
become
involved
in
spending
of
that
money.
So
I
think
if
we
work
with
the
applicant
and
the
ward
members
and
also
try
and
analyze
what's
already
there
and
where
it
could
be
utilized,
I
think
that
might
help
when
we
come
back
to
panel.
If
that's
okay,.
F
Yeah
I
was
I
was
talking
specifically
about,
like
the
contributions
need
to
be
pulled
potentially
between
several
different
sites,
to
create
new,
very
close
to
the
side.
Green
Space,
because
off-site
contributions
isn't
going
to
cut
it
when
you've
got
that
density
of
people
and
the
amount
of
of
distance
that
you'll
have
to
walk
or
get
in
a
car
and
drive
to
a
green
space.
F
So
I'm
talking
about
there
needs
to
be
some
plan
in
place
to
make
sure
that
all
of
those
off-site
contributions
are
actually
impactful
for
the
people
who
were
going
to
be
living
in
the
development
that
are
coming
forward,
not
just
this
one,
but
in
that
area.
A
B
O
Again
as
I
understand
the
point
that
Council
Brooks
is
making
completely
and
I
think
it's
for
ourselves
in
development
management.
So
let's
talk
to
our
policy
officers
because
they
can't
really
answer
that
question
as
to
what
there
is
in
the
immediate
area
but
I'm
sure
we
can
bring
something
back
that
hopefully
yeah
answers
that
question.
A
And
it'd
be
useful
to
have
an
image
of
the
Green
Space,
the
designated
green
space
for
the
area
as
well.
I
think
it's
also
about
not
just
the
off-site
but
utilizing
the
on-site
bits
that
you
have
got
in
a
slightly
more
out-of-the-box
way.
A
Certainly
I'm
thinking,
I've
got
a
four-year-old
and
a
three-year-old
now
and
I
had
previously,
as
you
can
imagine,
a
two-year-old,
because
that's
how
age
Works
and
that
too,
she
very
much
just
fell
over
and
especially
children
with
additional
needs
and
such
like
actually
having
big
areas
of
paved
space
really,
as
a
parent
makes
it
quite
difficult
for
you
to
let
your
kids
sort
of
run,
because
you
know
the
next
thing.
A
You're
going
to
do
is
face
plant
so
having
having
areas
where
is
where
there's
big
areas
of
like
grass,
with
smaller
but
still
DDA
compliant
paths
actually
gives
a
bit
more
space
and
there's
a
lot
of
sort
of
Woodland
style
play
areas.
That
kind
of
basically
look
like
they're,
just
kind
of
design
work,
but
actually
a
play
equipment
for
young
children.
So
I
think
if
we
look
at
something
a
little
more
out
the
box
with
what
we've
got
on
site
as
well,
that
would
certainly
make
me
feel
a
little
more
comfortable.
A
E
E
If
you
look
at
the
other
sites
that
actually
it
might
be
underutilized
at
the
moment,
but
we're
building
properties
that
will
be
here,
hopefully
for
a
century
or
more
in
some
cases,
and
actually
what
you
tend
to
find
is-
and
we
found
this
with
a
lot
of
city-centered
developments,
the
first
generation
of
people
out
move
in
get
it
and
they
don't
have
a
car
and
then
the
second
generation
of
people
that
move
in
afterwards
go.
Do
you
know
what
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
drive
somewhere?
E
And
so
you
have
to
again
this
isn't
about
the
sustainability
argument.
You
have
to
think
forward,
apart
from
the
first
generation
of
buyers
and
thinking
just
because
the
first
generation
don't
I've,
got
lots
of
Estates
in
my
world
around
the
city
center,
where
the
plan
was
they
weren't,
going
to
have
a
car
and
guess
what
this
second
lot
of
people
that
moved
in
all
bought
cars
because
they
weren't
bought
into
the
vision
of
the
development
they
were
bought
into
the
location
and
that
and
that
is
materially
different.
E
A
F
I
mean
we
don't
I,
think
I
think
overall,
the
panel
seems
to
not
be
in
support
of
the
amount
of
win
mitigation
that
is
in
that
will
have
to
be
in
place,
but
also
we're
also
not
in
support
of
the
density
of
the
development
in
the
like
the
height
of
the
development
I.
Suppose
not
the
density
to
the
height
It's,
Too
Tall.
O
O
That's
all
we're
trying
to
tease
out
if
you're,
not
the
number,
because
we
need
to
know
obviously
look
at
the
spacing,
as
Nick
mentioned,
the
the
issues
about
the
five
or
six
meters
between
them.
So
I
think
it
was
just
as
a
as
a
as
a
starting
point.
The
the
the
look
of
those
wind
mitigations,
because
I
mean
some
of
them
that
we
have
in
the
city
center.
Now
that
are
on
buildings
are
really
quite
formal.
O
I
I
can't
remember
the
name
of
the
building,
but
if
you
look
at
the
one,
that's
just
opposite:
Marion
house
that's
got
the
little
supermarket
at
the
bottom,
but
they're
just
quite
big
steel.
Sorry,
it's
a
Vita
student,
lock,
I
mean
they're
they're,
just
structural
rather
than
particularly
aesthetically,
pleasing
I.
Think
that's
all
we
were
trying
to
tease
out
of
it
whether
you
thought
they
were
aesthetically
pleasing.
So
we
can
move
forward
to
the
actual
numbers.
That's
required.
E
E
So
if
it
can
be
done
in
a
way
which
is
architecturally
pleasing
we're
not
going
to
please
everyone
but
there's
a
variety
of
shapes
that
achieve
the
job
and
add
architectural
character
that
isn't
a
sheet
of
metal
with
holes
in
it,
then
I
think
it's
probably
the
best
answer.
You're
gonna
get.
O
Best
bit
question
one:
yes,
principal
of
the
residential
Tower.
There
was
accepted
number
two
I
get
the
impression
we
think
it's
too
tall,
so
I'll
just
park
that,
because
I
want
to
come
back
to
that-
and
there
was
also
an
issue
about
potential
overshadowing
three-
was
it
was
a
yes
about
the
materials.
Four
was
a
yes
about
the
general
housing
mix,
five
affordable
housing.
O
There
was
this
question
about
the
separation
between
them,
which
obviously
we'll
discuss
with
the
applicants
later,
whether
it's
more
appropriate
to
have
them
all
together.
Six,
the
members
consider
levels
of
immunity
bit
mixed
understand.
The
point
about
perhaps
the
gym
might
be
better
utilized.
I
mean
the
applicant
did
actually
say
at
one
point
that
there
was
the
space
within
the
building
to
perhaps
create
this
sort
of
flexible
areas
and
an
internal
split
Place
versus
for
for
younger
for
children
Etc.
O
O
Could
That
Could
utilize
that
70
members
consider
the
relationship
between
phase
one
and
two
questions
regarding
the
height
and
I
could
simply
say
refer
to
two
or
both,
because
because
that's
what
we've
more
or
less
said,
and
also
the
Landscaping,
perhaps
needs
a
bit
more
softening
in
the
areas
between
the
two
buildings
and
to
look
at
the
The
Pedestrian
experience
in
terms
of
how
you
would
walk
through
the
the
the
premises
and
how
that
could
be
softened.
Eight
they're
with
just
me
papers
that
fall
into
bits
bonding
towards
local
Green
Space
projects.
O
O
So
the
answer
was
a
bit
of
a
a
no
on
that,
but
we
will
again
we'll
work
with
the
applicants
to
bring
further
further
information
as
to
where
that
space
might
be
Etc
and
how
it
could
be
utilized
by
the
communities
that
are
and
not
not
actually
within
the
the
tower
itself
and
look
at
the
provision
of
informal
space
as
well,
which
we
mentioned
before
and
councilmanaka's
comment
about
the
Wellington
Street
areas
and
then
there's
reference
to
what
the
strategy
was
within
the
city
for
those
spaces.
O
So
we'll
try
and
come
back
with
further
information
from
our
perspective
on
that
nine
remembers
happy
with
the
lower
level
of
parking.
Basically,
that
was
a
was
a
no
and
it
had
to
be
an
acceptance
that
11
isn't
acceptable.
We
just
need
to
counter
that
with
our
sustainability
policies,
which
do
Drive
applicants
towards
that
that
sort
of
level,
but
we'll
look
at
that
and
I
get
the
point
about.
Second
dawn
has
not
been
brought
into
the
to
the
development
so
and
the
18
space
has
not
been
enough.
O
So
we'll
look
at
that
and
then
the
final
one
we
mitigation
I
think
there
was
a
general
consensus
that
we
want
something
that
is
aesthetically
pleasing
and
these
may
be
it
if,
if
they
work
as
we
hope
they
will,
but
we'll
just
look
at
that.
Coming
back
and
the
slightly
provocative
question
that
I
just
wanted
to
ask
now
and
I'm
not
going
to
bind
anybody
by
to
this,
but
just
to
give
a
bit
of
a
steer
moving
forward
when
we're
going
back
all
those
years
to
the
the
pre-application
discussion.
O
Although
there
was
no
acceptance
of
30
stories,
we've
got
36
in
front
of
us
now
the
developers
already
reduced
it
from
the
42.,
bearing
in
mind
all
the
other
issues
that
we
have
to
address
here
and
it
might
affect
the
height
anyway.
Are
we
looking
around
the
30?
Is
that
what
we're
considering
because
there
was
sorry
Council,
looks
just
briefly,
there
was
a
question
asked
by
councilor
Brooks
about
where
how
low
do
you
go
in
a
way?
O
By
a
point
there
you,
you
weren't,
really
Bound
by
any
of
those
numbers.
Ultimately,
what
just
to
make
some
members
understand
the
situation,
because
I
was
there
at
that
particular
panel.
O
The
applicant's
presentation
in
terms
of
the
graphics
should
a
24
and
I
think
you've
well,
I've
certainly
got
them
in
the
presentation
today
and
you've
seen
them,
but
actually
at
the
plans,
pile.
The
members
did
also
discuss
a
30-story
option.
O
Neither
were
actually
as
a
agreed
in
that
respect.
The
the
panel
when
it
was
agreeing
to
the
concept
of
a
tile
building
was
aware
of
the
potential
for
a
30-story
building
I'm
just
trying
to
give
a
bit
of
a
get
a
bit
of
a
steer
for
the
applicants,
but
I
know
that
all
the
other
things
that
have
been
raised
here
may
affect
that
anyway.
E
I
think
it's
a
hard
one
to
get,
because
it's
always
going
to
be
about
us
weighing
up
palm
and
benefit
and
actually,
if
we
get
more
benefit
for
it
being
slightly
towards
the
30
Mark
rather
than
the
24th,
and
that's
obviously
going
to
dictate
the
kind
of
conversation
we
have
and
so
I
think
it's
really
hard
for
us
to
make
it
and
hard
and
faster
than
that,
because
actually,
if
they
come
back
and
95
of
the
things
we've
asked
for,
are
attainable.
But
it's
a
31
story
building,
that's
certainly
better
than
a
36
story.
F
Books-
it's
not
a
difficult
one
for
me,
so
it
was
minuted
at
the
last
meeting
of
the
the
pre-application
meeting,
24
was
minuteed.
So
by
that
should
I
mean
I,
don't
I
don't
really
understand,
because
because,
on
the
one
hand,
you're
going
oh
yeah
this.
This
has
to
be
because
in
this
preamp
and
blah
blah
blah.
So
so
you
have
to
agree
to
this
because
blah
blah
blah.
But
then
it
was
agreed
24..
O
A
You,
okay,
in
which
case
we'll
move
to
agenda
item
number
nine,
which
is
the
date
and
time
of
next
meeting,
it's
proposed
as
Thursday
the
3rd
of
August
2023
at
1
30..
A
Just
to
let
you
know,
I
am
away,
so
it
won't
be
me
in
the
chair.
Council
Gruen
has
very
kindly
agreed
to
cover
for
me,
so
you'll
get
a
little
break
from
me
and
that
concludes
the
business
of
today's
meeting.
Thank
you
for
your
attendance
and
contributions
and
I
now
declare
the
meeting
closed.