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A
My
name
is
councilor
Caroline,
Gruen
and
I'll
be
sharing
this
afternoon.
Today's
meeting
is
live
streamed
on
the
city
council,
YouTube
channel,
so
that
the
public
can
observe
the
meeting
without
needing
to
be
present.
Could
I
now
invite
members
and
officers
to
introduce
themselves
around
the
table
and
I
will
start
on
my
left
with
Martin.
O
A
P
You
chair
under
agenda
item
number
one.
There
are
no
appeals
against
the
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents
under
item
number
two.
There
are
no
items
which
require
the
exclusion
of
the
press
or
the
public
under
iTune
number.
Three.
There
are
no
later
items
noted
under
agenda
item
number.
Four
could
I
ask
members
to
declare
any
interest
they
may
have
so
that's
done
and
under
agenda
and
under
gender
item
number
five:
apologies
apologies
have
been
received
from
Council
Council,
Hayden
and
Council
McKenna,
and
we've
got
counselor
for
substituting
for
Council
Hayden.
Thank
you.
Chet.
A
Thank
you
very
much
indeed,
and
that
takes
us
on
to
item
six,
which
is
the
minutes
of
the
previous
meeting
and
I'll.
Do
as
I
usually
do
I'll
take
matters
arising
and
accuracy
together,
so
I'll
go
through
Page
by
Page,
and
the
first
page
of
the
minutes
is
page
five
of
your
pack
page
five
Page
Six
page
seven
and
the
last
page
of
the
minutes
on
page
eight
can
I.
Take
that
as
a
correct
record,
then
thank
you,
lovely
on
to
the
next
item.
A
Abstantive
item.
Thank
you,
which
is
lost,
item
number,
nine,
the
scope
of
the
local
plan
of
date,
two.
A
Martin,
would
you
like
to
start
just
also
by
outlining,
where
we've
got
to
with
the
consultation
on
update
one.
B
Yes,
thank
you
Chad,
just
just
as
a
a
supplementary
sort
of
matter
arising
on
local
Plan
update,
one
that
went
out
for
its
first
week
of
consultation
last
week,
so
it's
the
24th
of
October.
B
All
members
should
have
had
an
email
clarifying
how
to
get
involved
in
that,
and
and
also
offering
supplementary
material
that
you
might
like
to
use
within
your
your
Awards
to
to
engage
with
with
your
constituents
so
happy
to
provide
that
for
you.
That
runs
for
a
period
of
eight
weeks,
up
until
the
19th
of
December
and
and
any
comments
on
that
that
you
have
or
any
queries
just
please
just
get
in
touch
with
them.
The
local
plan
team.
B
Thank
you
I'll
hand
over
to
Adam
Harvard
who'll,
now
talk
you
through
local
Plan
update
too,
which
is
slightly
behind
in
the
process.
Q
Q
Members
will
be
aware
of
most
of
this
already,
but
just
as
a
refresher
back
in
2020,
we
had
a
what's
known
as
a
local
plan
review,
which
is
a
statutory
requirement
where
we
have
to
review
all
of
our
policies
every
five
years
to
make
sure
that
they
are.
They
are
up
to
date.
Q
That's
informed
the
future
direction
that
we've
taken
with
both
local
update,
one,
which
obviously
is
a
plan
that
members
are
well
familiar
with
in
terms
of
new
policies
or
amended
policies
to
address
the
climate,
emergency
and
or
the
related
topics,
but
also
that
it
highlights
a
number
of
other
policy
areas
that
required
a
refreshed
look
at
and
reconsideration
of
which
we're
currently
calling
local
Plan
update
two
just
for
ease
of
reference
to
make
it
the
separation
between
those
plans,
and
that
will
look
at
those
other
topics
which
which
authors
are
going
to
take
you
through
today
and
has
that
that
plan
period
up
until
from
2022
to
2024
and
there's
a
real
opportunity
here.
Q
Q
The
the
timetable
for
for
this
I
think
it's
I,
wouldn't
necessarily
get
too
lost
in
the
detail
of
this.
But
the
the
real
focus
is
is
where
we
are
in
the
process
and
that's
right
at
the
beginning
and
there's
obviously
lots
of
different
stages
to
to
go
through
here.
Q
But
but
we
are
at
the
beginning
and
it's
a
really
important
time
to
kind
of
agree
what
what
we
call
the
scope
of
that
plan,
so
the
breadth
of
it.
What
topics
it
should
consider.
What
are
those
key
issues
as
part
of
that?
Q
What
things
do
we
need
to
consider
when
we
consider
it
for
this
plan
making
stage,
and
that's
that
diagram
shows
and
I
think
we'll
we'll
keep
revisiting
this
diagram
as
we
go
throughout
this
process
in
terms
of
what
future
stages
might
be
and
happy
to
come
back
to
that,
but
I'll
I'll
whiz
through
for
the
time
being
so
yeah
the
the
overview
of
what
this
scope
of
this
this
potential
plan
will
be.
Q
So
there
are
two
main
aspects
that
sort
of
Drive
the
objectives
of
the
plan
really,
first
and
foremost,
I
suppose,
is
that
making
sure
that
our
local
plan
for
leads
is
up
to
date
and
consistent
with
national
policy,
but
also
a
kind
of
a
related
objective
in
terms
of,
as
I
said
earlier,
streamlining
the
plan
to
make
sure
that
we
we
really
do
only
have
the
policies
that
we
need
and
that
are
used
regularly.
Q
Q
It
may
be
only
minor
changes
in
some
cases.
It
may
be
that
some
policies
are
left
left
alone,
but,
as
I
say,
some
some
changes
may
be
relatively
minor,
but
it
also
may
be
the
case
and
I
think
that'll
become
more
obvious
as
we
go
through
the
material
that
some
may
see.
Some
policy
areas
may
see
significant
changes,
I
think
at
this
stage.
Q
That's
all
potential
options,
that's
something
that
we
need
to
consider
as
we
move
forward
just
wanted
to
highlight
some
risks
as
well,
and
this
I
don't
think
any
of
these
are
necessarily
directly
and
only
relevant
to
this
plan.
I
think
they're
generally
relevant
to
any
local
plan,
that's
being
prepared,
but
the
first
one,
I
suppose
is
changes
to
the
National
planning
policy
regime.
Q
It's
obviously
been
quite
a
tumultuous
time
in
terms
of
kind
of
the
national
position
on
policy
areas,
particularly
areas
like
fracking,
as
an
example
has
been
quite
a
rapidly
changing
picture
in
terms
of
of
what
potentially
means
for
the
policies
for
those
areas.
Q
But
in
a
lot
with
a
longer
term
view,
there's
been
a
signals
from
government
for
some
time
now
that
they
are
Keen
to
have
a
development
management
set
of
national
policies.
Essentially,
it's
not
clear
necessarily
at
this
stage,
whether
that
is
still
the
intention,
but
we
I
don't
think
we're
aware
of
any
signals
to
the
contrary
at
this
stage,
but
they
may
limit
the
ability
of
the
the
council
to
set
its
own
local
policy
and
will
certainly
affect
how
local
policy
is
working
at
a
local
levels.
Q
So
we
obviously
have
to
be
mindful
of
that
viability.
Similar
consideration
sense
to
every
single
local
plan
for
every
Authority
that
develops
plan
has
to
consider.
Viability
is
a
really
key
issue.
It's
particularly
sort
of
prevalent,
or
at
least
important
at
this
stage.
Q
Given
you
know
current
economic
climates,
it's
something
that
we
are
going
to
have
to
be
very,
very
sort
of
cognizant
of,
but
as
I
say,
I,
don't
think
that's
a
different
position
from
any
other
local
plan,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
members
to
be
aware
of
that
and
the
final
one
is
just
the
scale
of
that
scope.
I
suppose,
is
that
we
just
need
to
make
sure
that
this
is
a
manageable
and
effective
kind
of
list
of
topic,
areas
and
I.
Think
that's
something
that
that's
important
to
consider.
Q
But
it's
something
that
we
are.
You
know
we
we're
confident
that
we've
got
the
the
abilities
in-house
to
be
able
to
deliver
really
high
quality
local
Plan
update
so
hand
over
to
to
to
Caroline
who's
going
to
take
us
through
special
strategy.
What
I
should
have
said
just
to
say
as
well
is
that
we'll
go
through
topic
by
topic
and
at
the
end
of
that
we'll
then
come
back
for
comments
and
questions
rather
than
pausing
as
we
go
so
we'll
go
all
the
way
through
the
material.
Q
A
Yes,
that's
fine
and
just
to
remind
members
that
the
aim
of
today
is
to
be
in
a
position
by
the
end
of
the
discussion
that
we
agree.
The
contents
of
the
topic
sheet
that
we're
looking
at
now
can
be
then
made
into
consultation
material.
So
we
need
to
make
comment
on
anything
that
we
feel
needs
to
be
changed
or
considered
further.
Thank.
I
Thank
you
Adam,
so
I
guess.
The
spatial
strategy
is
essentially
about
making
choices
about
how
Leeds
grows
and
where
development
for
all
different
types
of
uses
takes
place
across
the
district
in
order
to
meet
our
social,
economic
and
environmental
objectives
and
there's
a
wide
range
of
factors
that
we're
going
to
need
to
consider
as
part
of
that.
I
And
as
part
of
this,
we're
also
going
to
need
to
consider
the
land
Supply
and
what
that
might
mean
in
terms
of
what
our
options
are.
So,
for
example,
how
much
Brownfield
land
is
available?
What
are
the
opportunities
within
the
urban
area
and
what
implications
would
taking
sort
of
different
assumptions
about
density?
Have
for
that
and
we'll
also
as
part
of
this
need
to
make
consideration
of
the
green
belt
and
rural
land
and
what
role
if
any,
they
should
have
been
accommodating
development
and
I.
I
M
Okay,
thank
you
Caroline
good
afternoon,
everybody
I
know
that
members
will
be
aware
of
the
history
of
planning
for
housing
in
Leeds
and
the
the
journey
that
we
went
on,
leading
up
to
the
adoption
of
the
course
strategy
and
the
site
allocations
plan
in
2019..
M
This
material
in
the
topic
paper
sets
the
scene
for
housing
lands
playing
in
Leeds
today,
which
can
be
summarized
into
a
few
headline
matters,
and
whilst
the
plan
is
recently
adopted
and
up-to-date
in
planning
terms,
we're
mindful
of
a
number
of
changing
events
in
recent
years
and
even
mums
that
have
led
to
structural
changes
in
the
housing
market,
so
local
Plan
update
two
seeks
to
positively
respond
to
these
changes
whilst
fairly
acknowledging
the
issues
in
the
current
land
Supply
and
what
housing
needs
are.
M
M
The
outstanding
land
Supply
is
overwhelmingly
skewed
in
towards
the
city
center
and
inner
area
and
comprises
quite
a
significant
amount
of
student
accommodation,
and
this
reveals
that
almost
of
half
of
our
pipeline
for
new
homes
are
either
flats
or
apartments,
and
what
this
brings
us
to
is
a
real
disconnect
between
where
the
housing
needs
are
and
where
the
housing
land
Supply
is.
M
This
will
require
land
allocations
and
it's
likely
to
include
the
release
of
Greenbelt
Land
in
order
to
Grapple.
With
all
these
issues
evidentially,
we
need
to
commission
a
new
strategic
housing
markets,
that's
not
a
Shema
which
is
now
up
for
tender
and
we
hope
to
start
work
on
that
later
this
month.
M
We
just
feel
like
this
is
a
real
opportunity
to
address
and
improve
our
housing
offer
across
the
board
with
a
planned
approach
that
looks
something
Beyond
overall
numbers,
which
is
what
the
site
allocations
plan
did
and
moving
beyond
just
looking
to
meet
a
single
Target,
I
think
local
planet
with
it
too
has
a
wide,
ranging
scope,
and
we
can
focus
on
size,
Quality
Distribution,
to
provide
the
right
homes
for
everyone
in
Leeds.
Thank
you.
Q
And
we'll
just
hand
over
to
how
the
Debussy
is
going
to
take
us
through
the
affordable
housing
elements.
J
Thanks
Adam
up
on
the
slide,
the
sort
of
four
key
issues
that
we
consider
need
to
be
focused
on
during
local
Plan
update
too
so,
firstly,
maximizing
delivery.
So,
as
we
know,
affordable
housing
provision,
shorts
fall,
short
of
identified
need
and
therefore
all
delivery
mechanisms
need
to
be
maximized.
J
It
is
obviously
still
important
to
secure
delivery
in
line
with
the
maximum.
The
minimum
Target
percentages
are
set
out
in
policy
H5,
but
as
there
is
little,
if
any,
scope
to
increase
these
percentage
targets
due
to
viability,
challenges,
other
delivery
mechanisms
need
to
be
focused
on
and
maximized,
so
meeting
need.
J
The
planning
system
has
some
control
over
the
location
of
delivery
through
the
allocation
of
housing
sites
and
can
certainly
influence
type
size
and
tenure
through
adopted
policy,
but
there's
still
factors
such
as
windfall
development
and
viability,
arguments
that
can
disconnect
Supply
and
need
so
in
terms
of
type
and
size
policy.
H5
currently
seeks
a
pro-rata
mix
of
the
overall
mix
of
Market
accommodation
and
less
specific
needs
to
indicate.
Otherwise.
J
This
certainly
gives
Clarity
in
terms
of
policy,
but
does
it
really
meet
the
identified
need
in
terms
of
affordable
housing?
The
city
center
is
dominated
by
large-scale
high-density
and
high-rise.
Flutter
developments
and
RPS
are
often
not
interested
in
buying
the
affordable
units
required
under
policy
H5,
as
they
do
not
fit
their
model
and
are
not
what
tenants
are
needing,
so
this
can
often
lead
to
a
payment
of
a
commuted.
Some
the
city
center
is
also
the
focus
for
Bill
to
rent
under
policy
H5.
J
So
local
Plan
update
2
provides
an
opportunity
to
learn
from
the
last
few
years
and
review
existing
policy
and,
finally,
there's
an
opportunity
to
embed
the
first
homes
policy,
which
requires
a
minimum
of
25
of
all
affordable
homes
secured
through
development
contributions
to
be
first
homes.
J
G
Thank
you
Adam.
So
in
terms
of
Economic
Development,
the
current
employment
land
requirement
for
offices
and
Industrial
uses
in
the
adoptical
strategy
only
extends
to
2028
and
they're,
based
on
evidence
produced
over
a
decade
ago.
So
there's
now
a
need
to
review
future
requirements
and
extend
the
plan
period
forward
to
2040.
G
There
are
a
number
of
approaches
to
assessing
employment
requirements
set
out
in
National
guidance,
which
we'll
need
to
review
and
assess
in
developing
options
the
appropriate
locations
and
sites
to
deliver
employment
opportunities
to
meet
these
needs
will
need
to
be
identified,
including
the
role
of
the
existing
supply
of
undeveloped
sites.
G
G
It
also
needs
to
consider
how
forecast
growth
in
specific
Sexes
can
be
accommodated,
whilst
insurance
is
a
degree
of
flexibility
with
an
appropriate
choice
of
sites
to
meet
Market
needs.
Promoting
sustainable,
inclusive
growth
to
support
the
best
city.
Ambition
will
be
a
further
key
consideration
and
in
doing
this,
we'll
need
to
consider
local
employment
needs
across
the
district
and
providing
jobs
that
are
accessible
locally.
G
Q
Thanks
Paula
next
up,
we've
got
Jason
Hammond
he's
going
to
take
us
through
the
role
of
centers.
H
The
key
issues
facing
our
sense
include
National
chains
to
the
Retail
Landscape
over
recent
years,
but
the
general
move
towards
more
online
shopping
with
the
pandemic
is
exasperating.
This
changes
to
National
policy
also
had
an
impact
to
the
formation
of
the
new
class
C.
This
allows
flexibility
between
a
range
of
main
town
center
and
non-town
Center
users
have
either
need
a
plan
and
permission.
This
replaces
the
former
A1
news
class,
which
I'll
retail
policies
referred
to.
Many
of
these
policies
are
now
somewhere
out
of
date.
H
Lput
would
therefore
need
to
consider
the
implications
of
this
and
explore
options
to
ensure
adequate
safeguarding
of
our
centers
whilst
retain
a
flexible
approach
in
line
with
national
policy
in
relation
to
the
city
center.
Its
current
boundary
was
to
find
a
2001
with
a
lot
having
changed
since
then,
lput
would
need
to
consider
updating
this
boundary
to
reflect
current
and
future
development
needs.
Consideration
also
needs
to
be
given
for
City
Center
mixed
use
allocations,
which
in
practice
are
not
always
delivered
as
such.
H
Do
you
become
as
old,
residential
or
all
office
with
some
commercial
and
lastly,
the
hot
foods
Aqua
SPD
was
adopted
in
2019
and
sets
out
policy
which
restricts
takeaways
around
secondary
schools,
limits
clustering
and
protects
neighboring
immunity.
There
has
since
been
changes
to
National
policy,
including
Harvard
regard
evidence
of
high
levels
of
obesity
and
more
control
over
litter,
but,
while
pe2
having
scope
to
either
update,
is
SPD
or
set
out
new
policy.
Q
A
Thanks
to
the
natural
resources
and
waste
local
plan
was
adopted
in
2013
and
the
minerals
transport
policies
in
that
plan
in
2015,
and
that
that
is
that
plan
is
largely
still
fit
for
purpose,
and
so
most
of
the
policies
won't
need
to
change.
But
some
of
them
are
out
of
date.
A
Now,
that's
mainly
relating
to
the
need
to
plan
for
a
steady
and
adequate
supply
of
aggregates,
and
there
is
an
opportunity
to
look
at
the
contribution
of
marine
aggregate
toward
the
supply
of
minerals
and
leads
and,
and
then
the
the
other
area
that
we
need
to
update
on
is
the
lack
of
a
policy
on
tracking.
A
A
And
thirdly,
there
is
the
need
to
update
the
forecasts
of
waste
arising
across
the
different
waste
streams.
The
current
Targets
in
the
plan
take
us
to
2026,
but
there
has
been
some
changes
to
waste
management
sites
and
some
have
gone
and
new
ones
appeared.
So
we
need
to
take
stock
of
our
provision
and
work
out
if
there
is
a
capacity
Gap
across
any
waste
streams,
and
there
have
been
some
concerns
raised
previously
about
the
potential
for
marine
aggregate
to
be
brought
into
Leeds,
particularly
about
the
environmental
environmental
impacts
of
marine
judging.
A
So
this
is
an
issue
that
we've
looked
into
thoroughly
and
I
can't
talk
about
that
more.
If,
if
you
would
like
me
to
do
so,
thank
you.
Q
Thanks
Helen
and
next
up,
we've
took
us
through
transport
and
accessibility.
We've
got
Thomas
Johnson.
L
Thanks
Adam,
so
with
that
our
transport
policy,
we
need
to
currently
review
our
accessibility
standards,
which
are
based
on
the
Pharma
Regional
spatial
strategy.
There's
also
need
to
review
these.
In
light
of
any
proposed
moments
we
made
to
the
spatial
strategy,
as
well
as
the
20-minute
neighborhood
concept
that
is
being
introduced
with
local
Plan
update
one.
This
also
might
open
new
opportunities
to
review
the
definition
of
accessibility
and
how
it
relates
to
Concepts
such
as
connectivity.
L
Second,
we
might
need
to
review
our
car
parking
policies,
as
one
of
our
main
transport
aims
within
the
council
is
to
reduce
car
dependency
and
leads
and
to
reimagine.
The
city
is
one
where
you
don't
need
a
car.
This
might
look
at
restricting
parking
rather
than
providing,
and
this
will
support
our
wider
policies
around
just
our
general
transport
policies
and
the
connection
leads
plan
as
well,
and
then,
finally,
these
the
possibility
to
explore
a
more
active
travel
policy
which
will
support
our
priorities
within
the
best
city
ambition.
L
This
all
explore
ways
that
we
can
support
pans
of
land
use
to
facilitate
shorter
regulator,
trips
for
active
travel,
which
is
similar
to
what
a
lot
of
other
local
author
parties
have
adopted
over
time
and
yeah.
Thank
you.
Q
K
Thank
you,
Adam.
The
local
plan
review
process
includes
reviewing
the
existing
non-strategic
policies,
also
known
as
development
management
policies.
These
can
be
policies
for
specific,
specific
types
of
development
or
specific
areas.
The
Lee's
local
plan
is
made
of
large
number
of
policies
across
five
local
planned
documents
which
can
make
it
difficult
for
readers
to
navigate
lpu
2
provides
an
opportunity
to
review,
revise
and
potentially
delete
some
of
the
DM
policies
following
a
reflection
on
their
role
and
value
in
informing
planning
applications
and
taking
account
of
national
policy
and
any
change
in
local
circumstances.
K
We've
started
a
discussion
with
planning
policy
planning
offices
in
DM
and
other
specialist
officers
to
look
at
the
role
and
use
of
existing
policies
and
potentially
new
DM
policies.
This
covers
a
wide
range
of
themes,
including
conservation,
Heritage,
landscape
and
green
belt.
However,
nothing
has
been
decided
at
this
stage.
It
is
possible
that
work
on
other
topics
in
the
lpu2
will
also
influence
this
review
process,
especially
the
spatial
strategy,
together
with
supporting
work
on
housing
and
employment
land.
K
This
could,
for
example,
have
an
effect
on
whether
there
is
a
need
for
a
review
of
green
belt
and
how
the
implementation
of
the
20-minute
neighborhood
concept
affects
existing
DM
policies.
It
has
to
be
emphasized
that
work
on
DM
policies
is
at
a
very
early
stage
of
the
process.
Scale
and
depth
of
the
assessment
work
will
be
informed
by
the
consultation
on
the
scope
of
lpu2
and
emerging
evidence,
resources
available
and
the
time
scale
for
processing
the
lpu
to
adoption.
Thank
you.
Adam.
Q
Thanks
Janet
yeah,
certainly
that
felt
like
the
planning
equivalent
of
speed
dating
to
a
degree
but
yeah
I
hope
we're
trying
to
get
across
is
quite
a
lot
of
quite
large
topics,
but
quite
quickly
and
quite
hopefully,
succinctly.
I.
Think
yeah.
Q
Colleagues
did
a
very
good
job
of
taking
us
through
that
I'd
just
like
to
just
touch
on
sort
of
proposed
next
steps
as
well,
just
so
that
I
think
as
cancer
grew
and
clarified
earlier,
that
that
we're
hoping
to
take
the
material
that's
in
front
of
you
to
to
consultation,
I
think
it's
important
you're
not
being
asked
to
approve
that
at
this
stage,
but
just
to
comment
on
it,
but
I
think
it's
just
important
to
to
kind
of
note
as
well
the
direction
we're
trying
to
take
and
it's
this
is
the
very
early
stage
and
we're
trying
not
to
bombard
stakeholders
with
a
huge
amount
of
detailed
information
at
this
stage,
but
still
trying
to
get
across
some
really
key
messages
and
key
considerations.
Q
So.
The
plan
is
for
you
to
receive
the
consultation
material
on
the
31st
of
January.
Before
going
to
executive
board
on
the
8th
of
February,
we
will
formally
approve
public
consultation,
which
will
be
a
technically
a
regulation,
18
consultation,
which
we
we
hope
to
take
place,
February
March
next
year
and
as
I
say
just
to
stress
that
will
be
on
the
scope
of
the
plan.
It
won't
involve
policies.
It
will
just
be
the
kind
of
material
that
you
see
in
front
of
you
today.
Q
So
hopefully
that's
useful
I'll
pause
there
and
obviously
invite
comments
and
questions
from
for
more
members.
My.
A
My
the
best
way
of
doing
this
be
for
to
invite
comments
on
a
topic
at
a
time.
Perhaps
so,
if
we
went
back
maybe
to
the
first
topic
and
I
just
we
could
invite
any
questions
or
comments
on
the
special
strategy.
Q
I
think
that's
an
important
Point,
counselor
I
think
it
is
in
the
reports,
but
doesn't
necessarily
figure
in
in
the
in
the
material
itself.
I
think,
probably
what
this
material
would
require
before
we
go
out
to
consultation
is
quite
a
short,
but
probably
two-page,
introduction
just
to
be
clear
on
on
that
overall
context
for
the
plan
and
we'll
make
sure
that
that's
that's.
That
includes
things
like
the
plan
period,
so
that
people
are
well
aware
right
at
the
top.
How
long
we're
thinking
you're
planning
for
but.
B
A
But
it
is
likely
that
there'll
be
revisions
within
that
period.
Isn't
it
updates
the
revisions,
so
it's
not
absolutely
set
in
stone,
but
that's
the
scope
of
the
the
policies?
Okay,
any
more
points
on
on
this
particular
topic.
Okay,
let's
move
to
the
next
one
housing.
We
got
any
points
on
this.
Yes,
councilor
Brooks,.
F
I'm
really
excited
about
this.
Thank
you.
Everyone
yeah,
this
is
great,
so
I
think
I.
Think,
first
of
all,
the
the
80
affordable
thing
is
like
a
massive
issue.
If
is
there
any?
Is
there
any
way
of
reviewing
that
80
and
putting
forward
a
case
to
reduce
that
80
down
to
70
or
even
60?
By
is
it
is?
F
Have
we
got
the
pair
with
sort
of
do
that
so
that
using
I
suppose,
like
proven
through
the
the
housing,
needs
assessment
that
the
the
need
is
there
for,
especially
for
the
bill
to
rent,
and
also
there
were
there's
the
thing
about
the
government's
methodology.
I've
just
got
a
like
a
question
as
to
like
what
is
that
methodology
like
how?
How
does
that
look
because
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
that
was
really
explained.
F
Sorry
also
in
terms
of
density,
I,
think
that
that
discussion
is
really
important
to
have
and
I
think
that
when
we
come
up
to
I
suppose
it's
more
a
comment
than
question
when,
when
we
get
up
to
going
to
the
public
with
consultation
with
this
I
think
I
think
it's
really
important.
F
That
residents
have
a
really
good
look
at
that
as
to
as
to
what
the
densities
are,
so
that,
because,
obviously
our
residents
know
their
area
is
best
and
they
can
say
well
if,
if
the
density
is
this,
High
I've
got
concerns
about
you
know:
dentists,
doctors,
I,
primary
schools
and
things
like
that,
and
then
that
can
obviously
go
into
to
to
help
with
planning
for
all
of
those
eventualities.
So
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
who'd
like
to
tackle
that
one
Adam.
J
Oh
Heather,
so
yeah
councilor
Brooke
could
I
just
confirm
the
80
you're,
referring
to
80
of
the
red
the
10
year
being
80
below
market
value.
J
Kind
of
half
hit
on
my
answer
in
that
it's
it's
a
government,
acknowledged
type
of
affordable
accommodation
and
it's
affordable
rent.
So
we
can't
kind
of
stop
it
and
prevent
it.
I
think
the
key
is,
as
we've
been
consistently
doing
over
many
years,
is
promoting
that
social,
rented,
which
is
obviously
at
the
Target
rent.
So
it's
still
prioritizing
that
social,
rented
accommodation
and
the
provision
of,
but
unfortunately,
we
can't
kind
of
say
no
to
to
the
affordable
rent
the
80
below,
because
that's
the
nationally
set
product.
F
Yeah
I'm
not
I'm,
not
really
saying,
let's
say
no
I'm
saying:
is
it
possible
to
put
forward
an
argument
to
to
build
on
that
and
make
it
be
70
or
even
65
or
something
like
if
if
we
can
gather
enough
evidence
for
the
need
of
that
I,
don't
know
I'm
I'm
trying
to
think
outside
the
box
a
little
bit?
You
know.
J
You
know
that
that's
an
interesting
concept,
I
think
because
it's
sort
of
the
nationally
set
to
be
fair.
It's
it's
the
maximum,
eighty
percent,
but
of
course
you
know
most
times.
Of
course,
it's
80
below,
rather
than
70
or
60
I,
think
the
results
of
the
the
new
Smiles
going
to
be
quite
interesting
as
to
giving
us
an
updated
view
on
what
actual
need
is
and
how
Supply
and
need
and
how
we
can
better
bring
those
two
together
and
make
sure
the
supply
is
meeting
needs.
So
I
think
that's
going
to
be
really
useful.
Q
Yeah,
no,
it's
I
mean
I,
it
was.
It
was
just
the
the
response
to
thinking
outside
the
box,
cancer
books
and
I
think
that's
exactly
what
we
kind
of
need
to
be
doing.
I
think
that
is
what
we're
really
feeling
quite
excited
about
doing
as
well
and
I.
Think
a
lot
of
the
things
that
have
been
on
on
these
slides
is
about
trying
to
think
about
some
of
these
challenges
differently.
I
think
Heather's,
absolutely
right.
Q
There
are
some
national
restrictions
and
limitations
on
these
things,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
shouldn't
explore
as
far
as
we
can
go
within
those
limitations.
I
think
the
Shema
is
a
key
piece
of
evidence
in
understanding
what
our
needs
are
in
Leeds
and
I.
Think
as
far
as
we
can,
we
will
explore
those
opportunities.
It
may
be
that
we
we
come
up
against
some
restrictions,
but
I
think
we're
we're
more
than
prepared
to
push
that
as
far
as
we
feel
that
we're
able
to
so
I
think
that's
something
that
we
can.
A
A
M
Are
you
going
to
come
in
yeah
we'll
do
yeah?
Thank
you,
okay,
so
the
government
standard
methodologies
for
local
housing
need
is,
is
a
simplified
measure
that
replaced
objectively
assessed
need
to
previously
local
authorities
did
their
own
assessments,
which
was
an
objectively
assessed,
need
based
on
demographic
data
and
policy
on
economic
modeling
exercises
to
come
to
to
a
determination
of
their
own
housing
Target
and
that
had
been
replaced
at
a
national
level
by
the
government
by
a
simplified
version
for
all
authorities.
M
It
takes
away
a
lot
of
the
the
difficulties
and
and
intricacies
of
the
objectively
assessed
need
model
and
just
takes
a
blended
approach
of
demographic
data
in
terms
of
household
formation
and
an
affordability
reissue
to
come
to
a
single
figure
for
each
Authority
and
for
leads
when
you
apply
the
most
recent
affordability
ratio.
That
increases
the
target
for
the
authority
and
then,
in
addition
to
that,
there's
a
35
uplift
because
leads
is
one
of
the
largest
20
largest
urban
centers.
M
M
But,
as
Adams
mentioned
that
these,
these
proposals
that
we're
putting
forward
now
have
to
be
responsive
to
change
it
as
a
national
level
is,
it
is
quite
possible
that
there
will
be
changes
to
the
government's
standard
multiplier
and
it's
been
like
I
say
it's
been
questioned
recently,
but
we're
putting
together
a
commission
through
the
Shema
that
can
be
responsive
to
those
changes.
If
and
when
they
do
happen.
M
Just
pick
it
up
on
the
yeah
I
think
your
next
one
was
a
comment
rather
than
a
question,
but
yeah
I
agree
with
you
and
I.
Think
that's
a
really
good
point
and
I
think
that's
the
thought
process
that
we're
going
with
we've
locked
up
a
bit
too
in
terms
of
looking
at
what
the
communities
need
and
want
and
I
think
the
advantageous
position
that
we're
in
now
is
that
we're
working
up
from
the
evidence.
M
Rather
than
having
a
policy
and
then
working
the
evidence
back,
so
the
Shema
will
look
at
local
super
output
areas,
so
we
can
build
up
evidence
from
very
small
geographies
and
collate
those
into
communities
and
have
a
look
at
what
the
evidence
shows
us
and
how
we
want
those
communities
to
grow
and
also
it
allows
us
to
go
out
for
consultation,
showing
the
communities
how
they
operate
at
the
moment
and
what
they
look
like
and
asking
them.
M
A
Okay,
yeah
I've
got
councilor
Carl
and
then
councilor
Anderson
and
then.
D
Thanks
Jay,
a
couple
of
bits
of
one
leads
on
from
Galaxy's
Point,
really
I
think
actually
I
missed
my
my
typical
one,
I
always
come
up
with
on
the
spatial
one
which
I'll
just
bring
in,
which
is
welcome.
Looking
at
just
the
20-minute
neighborhoods
approach,
which
local
Plan
update,
two
is
the
is
the
point
at
which
we
can
look
at
rather
than
focusing
development
on
areas.
D
We
think
our
20-minute
neighborhoods
the
way
that
development
can
help
to
create
20-minute
neighborhoods
in
existing
areas,
so
it
can
actually
help
to
to
bring
those
services
that
areas
need
when
they
don't
have
them
and
make
them
more
cohesive
and
coherent
communities,
so
that
so
that's
really
welcome
around
around
the
housing
point.
I
mean
it.
It's
really
welcome
that.
D
Somebody
comes
through
to
my
inbox
that
I
need
to
support
I
know
fully
well
that
the
likelihood
is
that
they
will
find
a
house,
and
it
won't
be
in
the
area
that
that
they
currently
living
at
the
minute
and
that's
really
disappointing,
although
we
do
have
plans
for
for
more
affordable
housing
coming
forward
in
the
wards,
more
Council
built
for
housing,
but
but
there
definitely
does
need
to
be
more
I
want
to
talk
more
on
that
point
about
the
the
housing
need,
because
it
was
mentioned
that
contradiction
between
where
the
land
Supply
is
and
and
obviously
where
the
housing
is
needed.
D
I
did
have
a
question,
but
I
think
you've
answered
that
really
around
how
granular
we
can
be
over
that.
But
I
think.
The
other
point
is
how
how
our
aspirations
for
what
those
communities
could
look
like
feed
into
that,
because,
if
I
look
at,
for
instance,
compare
my
area
to
the
outer
area
that
I
represent,
where
you
there
is
fewer
opportunities
for
for
land
Supply
to
come
from
there.
But
what
developers
always
come
back
with?
D
There
are
the
largest
possible
houses,
so
yeah
four
bed
executive
homes
out
in
the
outer
areas
on
Big,
Green
Fields,
and
then
we
look
at
land
Supply,
which
is
more
heavily
focused
in
the
city
center,
and
we
end
up
with
just
small
apartments.
There
I
mean
we're
right
to
look
at
it.
I
need
more
smaller
houses
and
smaller
apartments
in
the
in
the
outer
area
that
I'm
from
based
on
based
on
what
I've
heard
from
residents
and
we've
got
an
aspiration
to
see
more
families
living
in
the
city
center.
D
So
how
can
we
use
that
assessment
to
try
and
not
only
match
the
need?
That's
there
and
not
getting
that
pickle
of
a
market
assessment
coming
back
from
developers
to
tell
us,
we
don't
need,
for
instance,
more
three
bed
houses
in
a
city
center
development
to
say.
Well,
our
aspiration
is
for
more
families
to
live
in
there.
D
We
need
more
three
bed
houses
to
create
that
area
that
we
want
to
create
and
that
that
more
mixed
population
in
the
city
center-
and
you
could
apply
that
the
same
to
the
outer
areas
where
you'd
need
more
of
the
smaller
housing
types
and
and
arguably
the
more
affordable
housing
types
than
the
600
000
meeting
prices
are
probably
out
of
date.
Now
it's
probably
750
000,
isn't
it
for
a
four
bed
executive
Home
in
one
of
those,
so
I
think
that's
a
clear
and
and
that
that
question
of
density
comes
in
it
as
well.
D
Obviously,
if
we
have
less
land
available
in
some
of
the
outer
areas,
we
see
quite
often
I've
seen
sites
where
you
can
fit
30
houses
on
there
without
a
block
of
flats,
you
could
fit
a
huge
number
of
yeah
640.
D
Maybe,
let's
see
I,
don't
know
how
high
you'd
go
in
the
oh
and
say
we'll
put
that
in
the
center
of
Cavalry
necessarily
and
people
are
like
it,
but
that
is
what
we
need
and
that's
a
good
use
of
the
land
and
if
we're
bringing
forward
land
and
if
we
are
having
to
discuss
Greenbelt
Land,
for
instance,
I
think
people.
D
What
people
wouldn't
want
us
to
do
is
to
release
Greenbelt
Land
for
a
very
small
number
of
very
exclusive
properties,
whereas
if
we
were
releasing
Greenbelt
Land
for
very
necessary,
affordable
housing
or
retirement
properties
and
or
assisted
housing
in
some
way,
then
that's
something
people
may
be
more
amenable
to,
because
that
is
something
that
they
know
they
need
in
the
area.
So
it's
just
around
how
that
assessment
works
and
how
we
can
use
it
to
to
affect
those
imbalances
that
we
already
see
between
the
different
areas
of
leads.
M
M
Won't
worry
about
if
there's
anything
I,
don't
pick
up
on
I'm
happy
to
get
back
to
you
any
point
that
you
like
yeah.
So
there's
a
there's
a
mix
here:
evidentially
between
need,
housing
mix
and
densities
and
I
think
all
this
is
tied
up
in
the
commission
that
we've
got
for
the
Strategic
housing
markets
and
I
think
we
need
to
be
very
clear.
M
We've
got
a
very
detailed
brief
there
that
allows
us
to
go
into
a
fine
grain
of
detail,
so
we
can
build
up
pictures
of
communities
and
what
the
the
needs
are,
but
I
think,
most
importantly,
is
is
the
mention
that
you
made
of
affordable
housing
I.
Think
because
the
disconnect
that
we
speak
of
is
the
disconnect
between
land
Supply
in
the
inner
area
and
the
allocations
that
we've
got
in
the
outer
of
is
not
providing
enough.
M
M
In
particular,
the
need
to
satisfy
affordable
housing
in
those
areas
based
on
the
evidence
that
presents
to
us
through
the
schmar,
so
it
all
works
up
from
as
long
as
we
set
the
right
detailed
specification
for
the
evidence
that
we
received
through
that
we'll
be
able
to
work
at
policies
accordingly.
In
terms
of
once,
we
make
those
land
allocations
and
what
do
we
see
on
those
land
allocations?
Well,
we
need
to
have
the
right
mix,
you're,
right
and
I.
M
M
I
think
that's
something
we
need
to
work
through
as
part
of
the
site
requirements
as
part
of
the
prescriptive
nature
that
we
might
take
as
part
of
this
approach
in
just
looking
at
land,
availability
and
I
think
we
have
a
strategic
housing,
land
availability
assessment.
That's
basically
it's
a
reservoir
stock
of
sites
that
are
available
to
us
for
consideration,
and
that
is
you,
wouldn't
you
wouldn't
glean
from
that
that
there
was
a
difficulty
in
the
availability
of
land
there's
a
lot
of
land
available
throughout
the
district.
That
is
potential.
M
We
don't
have
an
issue,
that's
something
that's
two
hour,
just
not
disposable,
that's
something
that
we
have
the
capability
of
working
with
throughout
this
process
to
make
sure
that
we
get
the
right
sites
in
the
right
areas,
but
yeah
early
stages,
but
all
those
things
in
mind,
taking
forward
the
way
that
you
that
you
suggest
I
guess.
Thank
you.
A
I
think
the
point
that
councilor
Khalil
makes
about
creating
an
environment
rather
than
having
it
dictated
to
us
that
we
need
to
think
about
what
the
needs
are
from,
not
just
from
a
developer's
perspective.
I
think
that
was
a
key
point
that
you
made
there,
that
that
we
need
to
look
at
the
actual
need
in
terms
of
the
information
that's
available
to
us
and
create
an
environment
in
an
area
where
it's
needed,
rather
than
allowing
that
to
be
dictated
to
us.
I
think
that's
really
important.
Martin
wants
to
come
in
yeah.
B
Thanks
just
just
to
supplement
Matt's
Matt's
answer
there
and
pick
up
on
something
that
comes
with
Brooks
mentioned
earlier
about
density.
I.
Think
we've
got
a
lot
of
policies
coming
through
local
Plan
update
one
on
design,
quality,
Place,
making
Green
Space
green
infrastructure,
carbon
reduction
that
that
sort
of
con
quantifies.
What
good
looks
like
in
Leeds,
and
we
can
apply
those
policies
to
our
scenarios
around
how
much
where
what
type
so
that
we've
got
a
much
better
opportunity
to
to
talk
to
local
people
about
what
they
can
expect
from
new
development
and
I.
B
It's
about
getting
that
density,
and
then
those
numbers
right
so
that
there's
a
critical
mass
to
be
able
to
deliver
more
infrastructure
within
the
right
areas,
so
that
actually
people
can
actually
welcome
that
development
as
well.
O
I
was
pleased
for
the
clarification
you
gave
on
the
Shema,
because,
if
we're
going
to
try
and
get
housing
come
in,
we
need
to
do
it
down
at
neighborhood
plan
level
and
sometimes,
unfortunately,
the
super
output
areas
don't
necessarily
always
comply
with
the
areas
that
have
been
set
aside
from
here
to
plan.
So
that's
good.
As
long
as
that
information
is
going
to
be
then
publicly
available
to
these
people
to
use,
but
the
more
General
points
safeguarding
land
have.
O
We
got
a
view,
a
policy
as
to
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
about
safeguarding
land,
because
that's
often,
where
fear
comes
from
local
residents,
that
we
are
effectively
seeing
in
10
years
time.
This
piece
of
land
might
be
needed
to
come
forward,
no
definite,
no,
nothing
so
it
just.
So
what
can
we
do
about
reassuring
the
public
about
safeguarding
land
viability
who
actually
determines
whether
something's
viable?
O
Because
if
you
take
some
sites,
small
and
medium
developers
might
be
quite
happy
to
take
on
those
sites
and
could
turn
them
in
to
very
productive
sites,
whether
it
be
for
affordable
housing
or
whatever?
Yet
some
of
the
major
developers
seem
to
say.
Oh
no
can't
be
like
a
viability
problems,
because
if
you
look
at
the
rate
of
return,
they
get
it's
greater
than
most
other
businesses
get.
So
that's
just
to
me,
they've
got
to
start
taking
a
bit
more
risk
to
be
quite
Frank.
Instead
of
us,
you
know
pump
priming
them.
O
So
how
are
we
going
to
deal
with
the
viability
issue
and
is
there
any
evidence
that
there
is
a
land
purchase
problem,
because
one
of
the
problems
we
had
with
the
last
plan
was
that
so
many
of
these
developers
had
bought
the
land
at
the
top
of
the
market
and
they
then
needed
to
use
it
accordingly.
Now?
Is
that
still
the?
Is
that
still
the
case
or
have
we
got
a
better
Market
out
there
for
land
purchase?
O
The
next
thing
is
probably
I'll
lump
it
together,
in
which
order
are
we
going
to
put
the
hierarchy
of
land
needs?
We've
got
the
totality
of
Leeds
land
land
in
the
city,
but
how
much
do
we
need
to
set
aside
now
to
get
the
green
infrastructure
that
we
need?
So,
for
example,
if
Council
erlingworth
was
here,
he'd
be
arguing
that
we
need
to
get
more
green
parks
in
the
city,
center
area
and
I.
O
Don't
I,
don't
argue,
I,
don't
dispute
what
he's
saying,
but
to
me
that's
got
to
be
taken
out
of
the
totality
of
the
land.
First
of
all,
we've
then
got
to
the
ambition
that
ciac
have
got
about
food
strategy,
so
we
then
need
to
take
out
of
that
totality
the
amount
of
land
we're
going
to
set
aside
for
good
agricultural
land
and
keep
it
as
that.
So
we're
providing
using
our
food
strategy.
Then,
after
that
you've
got
the
energy
strategy.
O
If
we're
going
to
have
Fields
whether
it
be
wind
turbines,
whether
it
be
solar
panels,
how
much
land
do
we
need
as
a
city
on
that?
What's
our
Target
that
we're
trying
to
reach
and
then
after
that,
you
then
got
to
think
well
how
much
do
we
need
for
employment
land?
O
How
much
is
excluded
because
it's
in
flood
zones
and
then
you've
got
the
residue?
Is
that
what's
available
for
housing?
You
know,
in
what
order
are
we
going
to
do
those
because
you
might
start
off
with
housing
and
finish
off
with
food
I'm,
not
saying
which
one
we
are
but
I
mean?
Can
we
get
a
degree
of
clarity
as
to
which
order
we're
going
to
do
it
in
so
that
we
can
work
it
through?
Q
If
I
take
a
first
pass
it
and
then
Matthew
can
can
clean
up
any
any
mistakes
somewhere,
I
think
just
I'll
bounce
around
a
little
bit
cancer
Anderson.
Q
If
you
forgive
me,
but
just
go
into
this,
the
viability
point
I,
think
it's
an
important
consideration
and
I
think
what
we
have
to
remember
is
for
a
local
plan,
we're
required
to
essentially
viability,
assess
its
strategic
viability
but
I
think
something
that
we've
considered
sending
over
this
last
year
is
whether
there'd
be
a
benefit
in
his
in
us,
going
to
a
a
finer
grain
detail
than
that
in
our
initial
viability.
Assessments,
I
think
that
comes
back
to
what
Matt
said
about
being
more
prescriptive
about
what
should
be
on
a
site.
I.
Q
Think
if
we're
going
to
do
that,
we
need
to
be
able
to
demonstrate
that
what
we're
saying
is
actually
viable,
but
then
that
also
helps
us
in
be
able
to
say
well.
Not
only
are
we
does
our
evidence
in
the
Shema?
Does
our
our
kind
of
design
work
in
terms
of
green
infrastructure
and
place
making
suggests
that
this
is
how
you
make
it
an
attractive
site,
but
our
viability
evidence
also,
so
it
shows
that
this
is
viable.
Q
I'll,
let
Matthew
answers
the
difficult
question
about
land
purchase
prices
in
terms
of
a
priority
level.
In
terms
of
you
know
what
what
who
has
top
trumps.
You
know:
housing
versus
employment
versus
green
infrastructure,
I
think
it's
very
difficult.
Yeah
National
policy
doesn't
tell
us
which
of
those
has
the
highest
priority.
Q
We
are
required
to
establish
objectively
a
meet
or
objectively
assess
needs
across
a
range
of
different
things
and
in
a
sense
that
is
the
job
of
planning
it's
to
make
those
decisions
about
what
should
go
where
and
how
much
of
that
should
be,
and
we
have
to
assess
all
sites
and
around
really
about
what
their
most
appropriate
use
should
be,
and
part
of
that
is
understanding.
Q
What
the
desire
of
the
landowners
are
is
that's
not
the
only
consideration,
but
obviously
it's
an
important
one,
but,
as
you
you'll
be
aware,
there's
lots
of
competing
Demand
on
land
and
we
don't
have.
We
can't
make
any
more
of
it.
Q
So
it's
it's
it's
it's
the
planning
systems,
job
to
make
those
kind
of
tricky
determinations,
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
be
in
a
situation
where
we
say
you
know,
housing
comes
top,
then
you
know
employment
and
then
green
infrastructure,
but
I
think
it's
more
about
understanding
what
works
best
on
an
individual
site.
To
be
honest,
I'd
like
to
say
it's
great
thank.
C
You
chair,
thank
you,
Adam
I,
think
it's
a
good
question
can
understand
it.
Sort
of
goes
to
the
heart
of
plan
making
and
trying
to
balance
all
of
these
competing
demands,
and
also
trying
to
present
matters
where
they're
complementary
as
well
in
terms
of
better
places
and
bringing
all
of
those
elements
together.
C
So
that
will
show
pluses
and
negatives
and
neutrals
depending
on
what
we
feel
the
effect
is
so
I
think
you
make
a
very
good
point.
It's
at
the
heart
of
the
planning
system,
but
through
plan
making.
There
are
checks
and
balances
as
we
go
through
to
try
and
get
the
optimum
outcomes
based
on
the
parameters
that
we've
been
set
with.
That's
helpful.
M
Thank
you,
I'll
just
pick
them
on
the
on
the
other
bits,
just
in
terms
of
the
schmar
and
the
neighborhood
plan
level.
Geography,
obviously
that's
a
planning
level,
geography
and
there
are
different
planning
level
geographies
that
we've
had.
We
obviously
had
the
housing
market
characteristic
areas
for
for
a
while
now,
but
what
we're
shifting
away
from
is
evidentially
working
with
a
data
level
geography.
M
So
when
we
talk
about
lower
super
output
areas,
we
can
comprise
those
to
make
up
the
other
planning
geographies
that
might
not
fit
exactly,
but
it's
better
than
what
we
had
before
and
it's
a
it's
an
evidence-based
approach
to
moving
forward
with
policy.
So
I
think
yeah
agree
with
you
on
that.
We
do
need
to
work
up
to
those
different
levels
of
planning
geographies,
but
we
need
to
use
a
data
driven
geography
to
get
there
on
reassurances.
M
We
safeguarded
land,
yeah
I,
think
it's
been
difficult
in
the
past
that
we've
not
been
able
to
provide
reassurances
because
of
the
difficulties
that
we
had
historically
with
the
five
years
and
Landslide
picture
and
does
safeguarded
land
sites
being
the
first
to
be
to
be
looked
at.
M
In
terms
of
planning
activity
and
and
through
refusals
and
then
appeals
and
public
inquiries,
I
think
what's
different
now
is
well
that
can
be
already
be
avoided
and
reassurances
can
only
be
provided
where
you've
got
an
effective,
managing
monitoring
approach
to
housing,
land
Supply
we've
had
a
five-year
housing
land
Supply
now
for
a
while
now
we're
on
top
of
that,
we're
across
any
changes
that
we
can
have
and
I
think
being
on
the
front
foot
in
this
plan
in
terms
of
we've
settled
the
plan,
but
now
we're
moving
forward
on
to
the
next
in
terms
of
securing
our
land
Supply.
M
We
have
more
strength
now
in
being
able
to
manage
and
monitor
that
than
we
have.
We
had
them
previously,
sir,
although
you
can
never
provide
a
certainty
and
reassurances
on
safeguarded
land,
we're
in
a
better
position
now
than
we've
ever
been
land
purchase,
yeah,
I,
agree,
I,
think
I
I
think
we
need
to
get
more
evidence
on
this.
M
To
be
honest
with
you,
I'm
working
on
I
guess
anecdote
evidence
because
we
do
the
Strategic
housing
market,
strategic
housing,
land
availability
assessment,
the
schlar
every
year
and
every
year
we
have
to
go
out
to
londoners,
to
consult
them
as
stakeholders
and
say.
M
A
A
An
observation
on
the
hierarchy,
part
of
your
question,
even
if
we
don't
decide
well,
this
is
most
important
and
that's
next
important
and
that's
now
we
ought
to
have
a
view
about
how
about
jigsaw
fits
together
overall,
based
on
the
need
for
each
of
those
categories
that
you
mentioned,
and
it
would
be
really
interesting
if
you
ask
that
same
question
in
the
seaac
committee
to
see
what
the
answer
was
there
yeah
so.
B
Just
just
to
be
clear,
this
process
does
offer
members
and
the
council
the
opportunity
to
set
clear
planning
objectives
for
this
plan,
so
should
should
the
council
wish
this
plan's
objective
to
be
about
maximizing
the
delivery
of
affordable
housing?
The
means
of
getting
there
may
look
quite
different
in
terms
of
the
sites
and
spatial
strategy
than
if
we
had
another
objective,
which
is
to
reduce
the
need
to
travel
in
terms
of
where
new
housing
is
because
then
all
housing
might
simply
be
built
next
to
Major
mass
transit
hubs,
for
example.
N
Well,
I
think
that's
a
useful
comment
actually,
because
I
was
going
to
touch
on
affordables
and
I.
Think
we
all
know
don't
we
that
our
current
affordable
policy
doesn't
work
because
it
isn't
providing
as
it
should,
and
therefore
we
need
to
do
something
radical
and
I
think
it
wouldn't
do
us
any
harm
to
start
again
and
say
to
ourselves
what
do
we
actually
want
our
affordable
policy
to
do?
N
That
said,
it's
interesting
about
the
housing
targets
for
those
of
us
who
sat
through
all
the
core
strategy
and
everything
in
relation
to
varying
housing
targets,
though
it
may
mean
extra
for
for
leads,
I-
think
the
fact
that
it
provides
a
nationwide
Baseline
means
that
we
can't
have
different
authorities
effectively
playing
off
against
each
other.
N
Land
Supply
focused
on
the
city
center
I
think
that's
more
by
accident
than
design,
because,
certainly
when
we
did
the
core
strategy
in
the
salon,
all
the
rest
of
it,
we
didn't
envisage
that
there
would
be
so
much
development
within
the
city,
center
and
I
think
it's
actually
reduced
pressure
on
a
lot
of
the
outer
areas,
because
it's
given
us
that
the
housing
land,
Supply
I,
think
it's
fair
to
say,
isn't
it
that
we
that
that
availability
of
land
cannot
continue
forever
because
everything's
getting
built
on
so
I
think
there
really
needs
to
be
some
questions
asked
about
where
we
are
putting
people
and
I
suppose
the
last
one,
which
is
the
difficult
one.
N
Isn't
it
because,
as
soon
as
you
talk
about
the
word
release
of
Greenbelt,
it
sets
hairs
running
all
over
the
place,
but
unless
we
can
identify
land
that
we
euphemistically
refer
to
as
Brownfield
I
think
there
is
some.
There
will
be
some
considerable
pressure
on
Greenbelt
and
I.
Suppose
it
wouldn't
do
us
any
harm
and
I
share
this
with
my
my
tongue
slightly
in
my
cheek
to
set
going
back
to
hierarchy.
N
What's
the
hierarchy
of
Greenbelt,
because
I
appreciate
what
we
discussed
when
we
had
the
workshop
that
in
certain
areas
of
the
city,
there
is
Greenbelt,
it's
very
minuscule
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
we
should
be
putting
that
Under
Pressure
that
creates
issues
for
Barry
and
I,
but
I
think
we
need
to
I.
Think
we
really
do
need
to
look
at
the
hierarchy
you
know
is
this:
is
this
green?
N
Is
this
piece
of
Greenbelt
actually
performing
a
function,
or
is
it
just
that
it
happens
to
be
inside
the
line
and
that's
a
difficult
one
that
we're
going
to
have
to
face
sometime
down
the
line?
May
not
be
me
and
you,
but
I
think
it
will
be.
Thank
you.
Chair
can
I
search,
you
I'm,
sorry,
I'm
gonna
have
to
go.
A
Yeah,
that's
fine,
you
did
let
me
know.
Thank
you
very
much
Colin.
Would
any
officers
like
to
comment
on
that
contribution.
A
B
Those
are
helpful
comments
that
you
were
making,
but
but
just
in
terms
of
the
the
green
belt
release
question
we
we
will
endeavor
to
throughout
the
early
parts
of
this
process,
to
develop
an
Evidence
base
and
a
sustainability
appraisal
and
and
a
set
of
objectives
that
that
very
clearly
set
out
what
the
choices
are
within
the
city
for
for
delivery
of
our
our
needs
for
employment,
our
needs
for
housing
and
and
then
we
will
work
through
what
those
choices
look
like
not
only
city-wide
but
also
for
different
communities
within
Leeds.
B
Now
some
of
that
may
involve
the
release
of
land
and
urban
extensions
and
we'll
have
to
have
the
conversation
with
those
communities
at
the
appropriate
time.
But
what
we
can
commit
to
doing
is
ensuring
that
the
rationale
behind
any
green
bell
release
is
very
clearly
set
out
and
and
is
related
to
those
key
objectives
which
have
been
set
for
the
plan.
A
Thank
you,
I
see
no
more
hands
on
this,
so
I
think
we
can
move
on
to
the
next
topic.
Q
A
E
F
B
Yeah
absolutely
I
mean
there'll,
be
a
range
of
key
stakeholders
that
will
need
to
involve,
as
we
start
to
develop
our
strategic
housing
market
assessment.
We've
already
made
it
clear
in
the
smile
that
we
want
to
look
at
student
housing
from
the
bottom
up
and
that
will
involve
engaging
with
the
universities
in
the
city.
Yes,.
A
We
have
had
a
dialogue
with
the
universities
it
might
have
been
before
you
came
on
to
council
counselor
Brooks.
We
we
had
a
couple
of
training
sessions
and
work
trophy
type
sessions
where
they
demonstrated
the
need
for
student
accommodation
and
where
it
was
needed
so-
and
it
was
quite
an
interesting
point
of
discussion
so
yeah
that
all
needs
refreshing
with
them.
E
Q
Yes,
I
I
think
kind
of
a
it's
it's
when
we
look
at
kind
of
the
accessibility
in
terms
of
sort
of
disabled
access
and
things
like
that,
that's
something
that
needs
to
be
considered
for
all
our
our
developments
and
housing
stock
in
particular,
but
it's
clearly
not
restricted
to
a
certain
geography,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
that
all
housing
is
built
to
to
the
highest
possible
standards
in
terms
of
those
those
issues.
Q
We
obviously
have
policies
already
in
the
court
strategy
that
try
and
deal
with
these
issues.
But
again
we
can
consider
whether
those
need
further
reconsideration,
I
think
that's
something
we
can
flesh
out
through
the
consultation
just
to
understand
whether
actually
there
may
be
some
stakeholders
who
feel
that
they're
not
working
as
they
should.
E
A
Thank
you
good
points.
So
can
we
now
move
on
to
the
next
topic.
O
C
O
D
D
We've
got
a
couple
of
things:
we
do
refer
to
the
West
Yorkshire
transport
strategy
2014
in
there
now,
in
fact,
the
transport
strategy,
so
I'm
Deputy,
chair
of
Transport
over
there
and
we're
just
working
out
what
the
next
transport
strategy
will
be
and,
in
fact
the
West
Yorkshire
transport
strategy.
2040
its
value
is
limited.
Should
we
say
from
all
of
what
you've
listed
on
there
of
of
the
problems
we've
faced
over
the
last
few
years.
D
The
lead
to
transport
strategy
is
more
up
to
date,
I
guess
and
that's
where
we
could
focus,
but
a
high
proportion
of
that
is
around
actually
reducing
the
need
to
travel
rather
than
where
the
transport
is
going
to
be.
So
it's
around
the
fact
that
well
not
everyone
will
have
to
go
to
work
in
the
city
center.
How
do
we
move
employment
closer
to
people
so
that
there's
no
need
to
go
there?
How
do
we
move
surface
Services
closer
to
people,
so
you
don't
have
to
travel.
D
You
know
I've
got
residents
in
my
world
that
go
all
the
way
to
armley
for
things,
because
it's
the
easiest
bus
that
goes
to
the
city
center
rather
than
getting
one
that
goes
to
Pudsey,
which
would
take
them
a
lot
shorter.
So
it's
around
that.
But
in
fact,
at
the
moment
we're
referring
to
that
West
Yorkshire
transport
strategy
and
by
the
time
we
get
there,
we'll
probably
see
the
emerging
transport
strategy
of
where
the
district
is
moving,
but
also
we
we've
got
the
leads
transport
strategy
in
there,
which
I
think
cement.
D
Some
of
that
and
it's
how
how
all
that
fits
together,
because
you
think
very
differently
about
where
you
allocate
sites
for
employment,
then
are
we
thinking
about
smaller,
more
localized
sites
than
previously
we're
thinking
about
quite
big
hubs?
But
in
order
to
get
transport,
you
need
a
lot
of
people
going
in
One,
Direction
and
unfortunately,
at
the
moment,
given
the
viability
of
public
transport,
we
aren't
getting
that
at
the
moment.
D
So,
in
fact,
some
of
this
needs
to
think
of
the
the
tie-in
I
guess
that
you
haven't
alluded
to
Barry
on
that
is
rather
than
transport
dictating.
This
transport
will
need
a
large
amount
of
people
to
be
going
a
certain
journey
in
order
to
be
able
to
take
that
that
Journey
over
and
therefore
we
have
a
part
to
play
in
saying.
Well,
everyone
will
go.
You
know,
people
that
live
in
Horsemen
will
tend
to
work
in
this
site
and
therefore
that's
where
we
can
take
them
to
and
that's
going
to
have
to
be
tied
up.
O
I
think
look
at
Martin
wants
three,
that's
also
tied
in
with
a
to
cooperate
with
our
neighbors,
because
if
you
take
fabric
for
me
to
speak
on
because
of
Carol's
earlier,
but
it's
imp,
his
word
is
heavily
implicated
as
to
what
Bradford
decide
to
do.
You
know
positively
and
negatively.
So
we
need
to
be
able
to-
and
you
know
down
the
moral
area
what's
happening
in
Kirkley.
O
So
it's
how
we're
going
to
get
our
duty
to
cooperate
and
if
they're
not
doing
the
same
exercise
to
us,
how
can
they
contribute
quality
information
to
make
our
decisions?
Because
you
know,
should
we
go
back
I'm,
not
suggesting
we
should?
Should
we
go
back
to
the
principle
that
you
should
try
and
live
as
close
as
you
can
to
your
place
of
work
which
I'm
not
suggesting
that's
something
we
should
do,
but
that
that's
a
concept
that
was
there
when
we
had
industrialization
you,
you
lived
almost
at
the
bottom
of
your
street.
O
B
Yeah
I'll
I'll
start
off,
I
mean
Paul,
Paul
and
Thomas
might
want
to
supplement
this.
But
it's
going
to
be
really
important
to
take
into
account
not
only
the
planned
transport
infrastructure
improvements
that
we've
got
within
our
own
plan,
some
of
those
that
we're
seeing
come
through
now
in
terms
of
Park
and
Ride
new
stations,
for
example,
but
also
what
the
combined
Authority
has
planned
and
whilst
we've
not
got
the
definitive
understanding
of
what
a
new
mass
transit
system
for
the
West
Yorkshire
economy
might
look
like.
B
We
have
got
a
direction
of
travel
in
terms
of
the
Strategic
economic
plan
and
the
the
the
the
place
framework
that
wicker
are
working
to,
which
both
talk
into
where
those
key
transport
hubs
should
be
within
the
West
Yorkshire.
B
So
it'll
be
important
to
reflect
on
the
role
of
those
hubs
and,
and
that
will
complement
the
the
work
that
we're
doing
around
our
20-minute
neighborhoods.
In
any
case,
because
National
guidance
asks
us
to
look
at
mass
transit
and
the
potential
that
we
have
for
new
development,
particularly
around
mass
transit,
stops.
B
So
I
accept
that
to
some
extent
it
it
might
be
a
Movable
Feast
when
it
comes
to
Clarity
coming
through,
we,
we
will
work
with
what
we've
got
and
the
evidence
and
information
that
we've
got
and
on
on
the
duty
to
cooperate.
We
are
obliged
to
well
subject
to
the
leveling
up
and
regeneration
bill,
which
removes
a
duty
to
cooperate.
B
We've
certainly
got
good
good
relations
with
our
with
our
neighboring
authorities
and
have
worked
very
well
with
them
through
through
plan
making,
both
individually
and
jointly,
and
certainly
we've
taken
a
commitment
within
West
Yorkshire
to
continue
that
group
and
continue
those
discussions
so
that
we've,
our
neighbor,
our
local
plans,
are
aligned.
C
Thank
you,
Martin.
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
think.
The
other
point
here
as
well
is
having
a
wider
understanding
about
the
economy
in
terms
of
the
different
sectors
we're
planning
for
because,
given
the
change
we've
seen
since
the
pandemic
in
terms
of
how
people
are
leaving
leading
their
lives,
how
they're
working
how
they
receive
Services,
etc,
etc.
We
are
in
a
sort
of
a
different
environment,
post-brexit
we're
in
a
different
economic
environment
as
well,
and
clearly
we
will
need
to
reflect
what
those
future
needs
are
through.
C
Looking
at
different
economic
sectors
as
part
of
the
overall
employment
strategy,
so
I
think
that's
some
further
work
we'll
be
doing
as
we
get
into
the
the
detail
chair.
Thank
you.
Thank.
F
F
F
Is
there
any
way
of
giving
sort
of
preferential
treatment
to
leads
companies
or
West
Yorkshire
base
companies
to
to
try
and
to
try
and
like
reduce
that
from
happening,
because
the
amount
of
money
that
is
squirreled
away
offshore
is
just
completely
Bonkers
and
not
not
I,
don't
know
like
it
doesn't
it
doesn't
make
for
a
good
economy
if
loads
of
money
is
just
being
immediately
stripped
out
of
it.
A
Thank
you,
Haley.
Anybody
got
a
response
to
that.
Q
I'm
too
far
away
from
other
officers
to
get
kicked
under
the
table,
so
I'll
have
to
fly
my
own
on
this
one,
but
I
think.
Unfortunately,
we
come
up
against
the
limitations
of
the
planning
system
with
I
think
some
of
these
these
areas,
because
we
don't
Grant
a
planning
permission
to
an
individual.
Really
we
Grant
a
use,
so
we
Grant.
Let's
say
it's
aware:
you
know
a
distribution
warehouse.
Q
We
we
grant
that
planning
permission
it.
It
doesn't
need
planning
permission
to
change
hands
so
as
long
as
it
remains
in
that
use
and
obviously
changes
to
to
classy.
Q
It
means
that
there's
a
quite
a
lot
of
different
uses
that
don't
require
planning
permission
to
change
hands,
so
we
have
very
limited
control
over
individuals
associated
with
with
planning
applications.
So
I
I
haven't
thought
about
it
in
any
great
detail
councilor,
but
my
gut
reaction
would
be
that
we
would
find
it
very
difficult
to
be
able
to
set
those
kind
of
limitations.
Unfortunately,.
C
You
chair,
thank
you,
I
didn't
I
mean
just
just
to
add
councilor
Brooks.
The
the
other
aspect
of
this
is
that
the
council's
refresh
of
the
inclusive
growth
strategy
so
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
place
to
promote
higher
levels
of
inward
investment
and
trying
to
grow
the
local
Leeds
economy.
More
indigenously
I
think
one
of
the
critical
success
factors
of
elite
economy
has
been
its
broad
base
over
the
years
and
its
ability
to
adapt
to
changing
circumstances
and
I.
C
A
F
F
We
I
suppose
we
do
have
like
a
choice
as
to
who
it
is
that
we
support
and
who
it
is,
that
we
don't
and
who
it
is,
that
we
I
don't
know
collaborate
with
and
who
it
is
that
we
don't
and
as
far
as
I'm
aware
we're
not
we're
not
collaborating
with
any
tax
Dodgers.
So
but
like
it,
I,
don't
know
it
just
really
annoys
me,
especially
as
we've
got
all
of
these
like
this
massive
tax
hole.
F
Etc
like
it
just
really
annoys
me,
and
it's
like
you
know
you,
you
I
sit
here
as
a
as
a
decision
maker,
quite
often
just
in
despair
at
the
the
how
everything's
going
so
like
it
I
apologize
for
sort
of
veering
into
politics
a
little
bit,
but
but
if
there
is
anything
that
we
can
do
to
to
increase
tax
revenue
like
I'd
rather
is
look
at
it
than
not.
A
So
I
mean
I,
know
I'm
always
banging
on
about
this,
but
where
the
planning
regime
lacks
the
power
or
the
influence
that's
needed,
then
they
need
to
work
with
those
who
do
have
that
power
influence
and
that's
the
beauty
of
working
across
boundaries.
I've
always
said
we
need
to
join
up
a
lot
more
than
we
currently
do.
I
know
you
want
to
come
in
Peter
I'm,
just
going
to
ask
Martin
to
comment
on
what's
been
said.
First
yeah.
B
Thanks
Chad,
just
one
thing
that
that
struck
me
councilor
Brooks,
is
we
we
could
maybe
do
more
through
consultation
and
through
sort
of
allocating
a
portfolio
of
employment
land
to
make
sure
that
we
are
appealing
to
a
broad
range
of
potential
investors
in
the
city
and
if
we
know
of
and
you've
got
examples
of
where
we've
got,
local
companies
who
are
saying
I
can't
invest
in
leads.
B
I
can't
find
a
site
in
Leeds
it'd,
be
really
important
for
us
to
understand
what
those
reasons
are
and
if
those
reasons
are
around
competition
for
land,
with
sort
of
international
investors
being
able
to
outbid,
then
that
that
would
be
helpful
information
for
us
as
we
shape
what
those
allocations
might
look
like.
F
So,
just
just
come
back
on
that
a
little
bit
so
I
know.
I
know
that
in
the
in
the
creative
sectors,
there's
been
a
lot
of
issues
with
Property
Owners,
basically
kicking
out
creative
organizations
from
their
from
their
buildings.
F
Now
we
we
know
that
creative
creativity,
the
creative
sector,
brings
in
quite
a
lot
of
money
to
leads
in
tourism
so
and
and
as
well
as
that,
you
know,
there's
all
the
well-being
there's
all
the
other,
like
really
brilliant
benefits
of
culture,
so
I
think
I,
think
that
is
an
area
to
be
looking
at
I,
don't
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
accusing
any
of
the
people
who
were
turfing
organizations
out
of
being
taxed
Dodgers
by
the
way.
F
It's
just
sort
of
come
just
come
as
a
secondary
thing,
but
yeah
I
think,
like
the
creative
sector,
do
need
to
be
looked
at
and
worked
with
to
to
figure
out
what
their
issues
are.
I
know
that
we're
already
doing
quite
a
lot
of
work
with
them
in
other
parts
of
the
council,
but
I
think
in
in
planning
terms.
We
could
do
a
bit
more.
Q
You
chair,
he
was
related
to
the
the
issue
of
kind
of
local
employment.
I
know
it's
something
that
Paul's
been
looking
at
quite
a
lot
in
terms
of
this.
It's
in
that
on
that
slide,
the
last
sort
of
bullet
the
issue
of
safeguarding
local
employment
sites
and
I
don't
want
to
touch
too
much
on
the
tax
issues,
but
certainly
in
terms
of
trying
to
encourage
the
retention
of
local
businesses.
Q
We
need
to
provide
the
right
kind
of
land
for
them
and
protect
the
land
that
clearly
already
works,
but
can
often
look
to
the
outside
a
little
bit,
I
suppose,
scruffy
or
not
quite
as
attractive
or
as
yeah.
The
kind
of
glossy
image
you
might
have
of
modern
employment,
but
still
does
a
really
vital
role
at
a
local
level,
and
it's
those
kind
of
sites
that
we've
we've
seen,
certainly
over
the
last
decade,
have
been
lost
to
a
lot
of
other
kinds
of
uses.
Q
Certainly
a
lot
on
the
Leisure
kind
of
angle,
so
I
think
if
we
want
to
try
and
protect
those
kind
of
local
employers.
Certainly,
looking
at
the
role
of
safeguarding
for
existing
industrial
areas
could
I
think
is
quite
an
important
way
of
of
doing
that,
and
so
that
was
just
the
thought
I
had
on
that
one.
Thank.
D
Yeah
I
think
in
fact
the
point
I
was
going
to
make
is,
is
where
we've
got
to
on
that,
because
it
coming
from
councilor
Brooke's
point.
I
can
really
see
that
question
of
promoting
A
diversity,
of
that
economic
use
and,
if
I,
think
of
an
example.
So
an
example
in
my
world
would
be
sunny
ranked
Mills,
which
was
a
large
Mill
complex,
that
the
owners
decided
that
that
would
be
overtaken
by
small
businesses.
And
now
it
has
everything.
D
From
a
myriad
of
you
know:
furniture
makers
to
bars
to
art
studios
to
whatever,
and
it's
because
they've,
driven
on
the
fact
that
that
big
employer
that
was
there
should
now
provide
employment
in
the
local
area,
provides
in
small
enough
businesses
that
the
majority
will
be
hyper.
Local
and,
to
be
honest,
it's
been
a
really
important
part
of
creating
the
village
as
it
is,
and
keeping
the
villages
sustained,
and
that
kind
of
thing
is
is
possibly
what
what
would
lead
to
that.
A
A
O
We
talking
about
strategic
level
on
a
local
level,
the
reason
being
in
Liverpool
recently
they
have
started
to
design
some
of
their
Estates
so
that
you
put
your
waste
into
large
vessels
which
are
then
put
on
a
street
corner
for
one
of
a
better
way
of
describing
it
now
are.
We
is
that
the
level
of
detail
we're
talking
about
here
or
are
we
talking
about
whether
or
not
we
should
have
landfill
sites
at
position,
A,
B,
C
or
D,
which
is
it
at
this
in
within
this
area?.
Q
I
think,
in
terms
of
the
material
that
Helens
presented
today,
and
certainly
in
the
in
the
report,
we're
talking
about
that
strategic
level,
I
think
in
terms
of
issues
about
kind
of
local
sort
of
waste,
you
know
how
it's
the
treatment
of
it
in
terms
of
how
it
can
be
designed
into
effective.
Q
You
know
new
Estates
and
new
new
dwellings,
I
think
my
initial
feeling
on
that
would
be
that
that
might
be
something
that's
best
dealt
with
through
kind
of
design,
guidance
that
the
council
partly
already
has,
but
also
can
be
looking
at
refreshing
as
well.
It's
one
of
the
things
I
said
in
the
initial
slides
about
some
of
this.
Q
My
some
of
this
might
not
even
be
changes
to
policies
in
the
local
plan,
but
might
just
be
actually
more
refreshed
guidance
to
be
a
bit
clearer
on
issues
like
waste
sorting
at
a
community
level.
That's
not
to
say
that
you
know.
That's
that's
my
view.
That's
not
to
say
that
the
others
may
feel
that
there
really
should
be
part
of
the
scope,
in
which
case
obviously,
would
be
very
glad
to
hear
it,
but
that
that
would
be
my
view.
I
don't
know
if
other
officers
had
any
other
thoughts
on
that.
A
Helen,
do
you
want
to
say
anything
thanks,
yeah,
just
to
add
that
we've
currently
got
policy
in
the
course
strategy
that
supports
and
encourages
the
the
local
waste
sorting,
Recycling
and
equip
provision
being
made
within
development
for
that
so
that's
kind
of
a
parent
policy
for
more
detailed
guidance,
SPD
type
level.
So
we
may
not
need
to
amend
the
existing
adoptive
policy.
O
Think
you
were
their
chair
when
Jenny
Fisher
came
along
to
present
how
we
could
look
again
at
the
design
and
layout
of
our
Estates
and
I.
Think
that's
an
important
thing,
but
I
was
going
to
bring
that
on
Up
Under
the
development
management
policies
in
general.
That's
what
I
was
going
to,
but
that's
that's
where
I'm
coming
at
is:
how
can
we
redesign
the
way
that
we've
got
things?
That's
where
I
was
coming
from?
Thank
you.
F
Oh
no
yeah
it
was
about.
Fracking
is
fracking
still
on
the
cards
I'm
a
bit
confused
about
that.
A
A
So
in
Leeds
we
had
a
license
that
was
issued
to
Hutton
energy
in
2015.
in
2022.
Oh
no
2020,
Hutton
energy
gave
up
that
license.
A
So
what
we
don't
know
yet
is
when
the
government
issue
the
next
round,
which
would
be
the
15th
round
of
onshore
licenses.
We
don't
know
whether
or
not
Hutton
or
anyone
else
would
be
interested
in
taking
up
that
license.
Q
Just
to
support
what
Helen
said
that
I
I
think
from
our
understanding,
it
would
appear
that
the
new
Administration
at
the
national
level
seem
to
be
changing
that
position
on
fracking
from
the
previous
administration.
But
the
I
think
the
point
that
Helen
made
earlier
in
terms
of
what
the
requirements
set
out
in
the
national
Planet
policy
framework
still
remain.
Don't
they
Helen?
Q
So
it's
really
it's
about
really
how
we
respond
to
that
necessarily
I
suppose,
rather
than
announcements
and
then
counter
announcements
which,
which
are
obviously
moving
quite
quickly
at
the
moment,
but
I
think
that's
a
national
level.
I
think
we
have
to
focus
on
what
the
national
policy
is
telling
us.
D
I
was
going
to
come
in
Kaylee
and
I
are
on
the
same
page
yet
today,
and
everything
I
was
going
to
come
in
on
the
same
point
that
I
thought
well.
I.
Don't
need
to
necessarily
reiterate
it
here,
but
I
will
I
mean
the
council
and
and
at
full
Council
we've
been
very
clear
that
we
don't
want
to
see.
Fracking
take
place
in
Leeds
and
I
would
expect
quite
robust
policy
around
that,
especially
given
that
there
are
many
opportunities
for
renewable
energy
that
aren't
being
taken.
D
The
benefits
of
haven't
been
taken
into
account
in
the
full
in
the
policies,
so
we
would
expect
wherever
possible
that
we
put
that
as
a
very
last
resort
or
something
that
cannot
be
done
in
the
Leeds
district
and
that
we
focus
everything
on
renewable
energy
and
the
move
to
a
Greener
environment
as
as
we've
set
out.
A
Thank
you,
councilor
Carlin
good.
To
have
that
statement
on
record.
Can
we
move
to
the
next
one
now
transport
we've
covered
some
of
this?
Are
there
any
more
points
on
transport
and
accessibility?
We
I
think
we've
probably
given
that
a
good
going
over
councilor
Carlin.
D
I'm
sorry
I'll
go
very
short
on
it.
Just
to
reiterate
that
point,
that
I
mean
one
of
the
things
we
asked
you
enough
after
the
pandemic
is
that
public
transport
is
struggling
to
come
back
and
I
think
something
around
how
this
plan
supports
that
I
I
think
it
wouldn't
be
clear
at
the
moment
whether
the
commercial
viability
of
public
transport
as
a
private
sector
operation
will
ever
return
in
the
same
way.
D
It
was
before
many
of
us
think
that
more
needed
to
be
done
at
that
point
with
the
private
operators
that
run
it
and
I
think
really
anything
needs
to
be
looked
at
around
how
we
leverage
things
like
developer
contributions
and
income
that
can
come
in
from
development
and
the
the
arrangement
of
where
developments
go
to
really
maximize
the
opportunities
to
grow
public
transport
in
an
area
to
meet
the
transport
strategy.
D
So,
where
a
development
is
coming
in
ensuring
that
we
get
adequate
contributions
for
a
bus
service
for
that
area
around
to
support
the
buses
in
the
local
area,
whether
we
look
at
the
the
train
stations
that
have
been
shot
at
various
times
in
other
areas,
had
we
still
had
a
train
station
in
areas
like
Weatherby
I'm
sure
they
would
have
been
doing
a
lot
better
around
public
transport
and
I.
Think
really.
F
Not
not
entirely
so
so
Glasgow
recently
I
think
it
was
like
last
week.
Maybe
they
committed
to
what
they're
calling
feminist
planning
policies
I
mean
I
I,
don't
think
it
makes
any
sense,
call
them
feminist
planning
policies,
but
women's
safety,
so
I'll
just
refer
to
it
as
women's
safety.
From
now
on,
I
know
that
I
know
that
we
have.
We
have
things
like
natural
surveillance
and,
and
things
like
this
in
design
statements
and
whatnot,
but
I
think
it
might.
F
It
might
be
helpful
just
to
bring
it
all
together,
especially
when
we're
thinking
about
active
travel,
because
I
mean
I
wouldn't
walk
around
late
at
night
as
I'm
sure.
A
lot
of
the
women
around
this
table
wouldn't
also
I
suppose.
F
Similarly,
for
things
like
cycling,
like
you're,
still
at
risk,
if
you
started
playing
even
though
you're
on
you're
on
like
a
bike,
so
I
I
just
think
it's
worth
having
a
little
look
at
it
and
seeing
if
we
can
be
a
bit
more,
what's
a
word
a
bit
clearer
about
it,
rather
than
it
being
buried
in
buried
here
and
there,
because
I
think
it
I
think
it
ties
in
nicely
with,
like
you
know,
just
the
women's
safety
but
Council
algarth
way
is
working
on
things
like
that.
A
Very
helpful
councilor
Anderson.
O
Ct
24.,
where
I
mean
I
I,
can
see
the
point.
If
we're
trying
to
get
to
work,
we
should
probably
not
be
using
our
cars,
but
what
about
car
parking
policies
at
where
the
houses
are?
In
other
words,
the
cars
remain
parked
locally,
just
going
to
a
number
of
Estates
here
and
where
people
are
using
public
transport.
The
cars
are
littered
all
over
the
states.
O
Now
we
need
to
change
a
whole
lot
of
behaviors,
but
it's
Leisure
Time,
going
to
the
swimming
pool
going
to
watch
your
favorite
football
team
as
an
as
an
example,
because,
just
because
Lee
doesn't
say
your
death
is
going
to
be
a
leads
fan,
you
might
want
to
go
and
travel
elsewhere,
but
you
know
how
do
we
take?
O
How
does
that
policy
cater
for
and
they
enable
that
people
places
for
people
to
partner
cars
so
that
Monday
to
Friday,
for
example,
that
they
don't
ever
move
dwellings
ends
and
purposes,
because
you
use
public
transport
to
get
around
your
working
life,
but
at
weekends?
When
you've
got
Leisure
Time,
you
need
access
to
a
vehicle
of
some
description.
A
I
mean
I
think
that's
a
relevant
point
and
I
think.
If
we
do
get
to
the
point
where
people
are
leaving
Vehicles
Monday
to
Friday
ish,
then
the
message
would
be
less
vehicles
per
family.
I
would
have
thought
it
would
be
more
possible
to
share
under
those
circumstances
and
I
would
argue
it's
not
just
Leisure
at
some
point.
All
of
us
need
to
travel
further
than
a
bus
ride.
To
do
something
visit
an
elderly
relative
go
to
a
hospital
whatever
it
is,
so
can
I
ask
for
an
officer
reflection.
Q
Yeah
Thomas
he's
kind
of
focused
on
this
topic,
so
I'm
happy
for
Thomas
to
come
in.
It's
just
to
supplement
my
answer.
Q
I
think
the
evidence
would
probably
show
that
people
who
own
cars
have
them
parked
up
are
far
more
likely
to
drive
to
commute
so
I
think,
there's,
there's
a
there's
a
difficult
tension
there
in
terms
of
hoping
that
people
can
still
own
as
many
cars
as
they
wish
and
can
park
them
up
and
then
that
they
somehow
won't
choose
to
use
them.
Q
I
think
there's
a
real
balance
to
be
struck
there
in
terms
of
the
provision
of
accessible,
easy
public
transport,
but
also
decisions,
difficult
decisions
about
whether
new
developments
should
incorporate
as
much
car
parking
as
they
currently
do,
and
whether
in
the
city
center,
particularly
what
we're
hearing
from
registered
providers
who
are
trying
to
provide
less
car
parking
than
our
policies
would
require
and
finding
it
quite
difficult
to
to
to
do
that.
Q
So
I
think
we
kind
of
need
to
understand
and
that's
the
benefit
of
the
consultation
to
kind
of
understand.
Quite
a
wide
variety
of
views
on
the
use
of
the
use
of
car
parking
and
also
at
the
point
you
made
early
accounts
that
grew
and
about
working
across
all
of
the
councils
in
terms
of
all
of
our
transport
strategies
about
what
that
Collective
direction
is
to
do
that
and
I
I.
Don't
think
at
this
stage
we're
saying
we've
got
the
answers
on
how
to
do
that.
O
How
do
we
have
the
debate?
How
do
we
have
the
debate
without
it
getting
too
polarized?
So
we
can
have
an
honest
debate
about
what
is
the
needs
in
our
own
communities,
because
you
know
again,
being
parochial
I've
got
a
lot
of
Countryside
Farms.
These
people
have
got
to
get
connectivity
there,
ain't
going
to
be
a
bus
going
into
some
parts
of
my
world
in
under
any
book
plan
whatsoever,
so
these
people
need
to
be
able
to
get
to
a
transport
hub.
O
So
what
how
are
we
going
to
cater
for
those
people?
You've
got
some
people
who
start
work
so
early
in
the
morning,
for
example,
that
there
is
no
bus
service
currently
going
at
that
time.
Equally,
the
point
it
kind
of
groups
made
some
people
prefer
to
go
in
their
car
at
night
because
it's
safer
to
get
home
by
car.
So
how
do
you
deal
with?
How
do
we
have
the
debate?
How
do
we
have
an
open
and
honest
debate?
A
C
Anderson's
point
I
think
the
fair
comments
aren't
there
I
think
what
we
are
seeing,
though,
are
different
solutions
coming
forward,
I
mean
that
there
are
schemes
out
there
where
they
have
a
carpooling
system
so
rather
than
people
actually
owning
a
car
they've
got
a
vehicle
available
to
them
that
couldn't
be
booked
and
used
to
meet
their
individual
needs
and
circumstances.
C
B
Just
because
this
this
gives
us
an
opportunity
just
to
sort
of
demonstrate
a
bit
more
what
the
next
this
consultation
is
going
to
look
like,
so
so
we
can
be
asking
questions
within
this
scoping
consultation
and
those
questions
can
be
along
the
lines
of
leads
as
Ambitions
to
be
a
city
where
you
don't
need
a
car.
That
might
mean
that
Leeds
starts
to
stop
asking
for
car
parking
spaces
the
new
development.
What
do
you
think
about
that?
And
those
questions
can
because,
obviously,
that's
not
going
to
be
the
whole
answer.
B
As
David
said,
they'll
be
it'll,
be
horses
for
courses,
but
but
we
can
start
that
debate
and
then
I
think
what
that
will
enable
us
to
do
then
is
is,
is
go
back
to
sort
of
the
next
round
of
that
consultation,
where
we've
got
really
clear
scenarios
that
we
can
have
tested,
and
we
can
actually
show
people
what
they
look
like
and
there
might
be
a
range
of
solutions
within
those
scenarios.
So
I
think
it
answered
your
question:
how
do
we
engage
people
in
the
debate?
B
I
think
we
start
asking
them
some
of
these
questions
as
part
of
the
consultation
and
then
say
what
that
looks
like
in
terms
of
new
development.
R
F
I,
just
I
just
thought:
I'd
clarify
I'm,
not
arguing
for
cars,
I'm,
just
arguing
for
like
I,
suppose,
safety,
designing
our
designing
out
things
that
could
make
people
feel
less
safe
when
they're
walking
around
so
yeah.
Just
just
thought,
I'd
say
that,
like
it's
I,
think
I
think,
like
we've
got
bits
of
this
already
in
policy,
just
bring
it
together.
I
think
that's.
D
Sorry
I'll
be
very
quick
because
I
know
you're
moving.
Is
there
scope
then
to
look
at
this
is
as
in
how
connected
we
can
see
a
site
being
or
how
connected
it's
possible
to
make
a
site
because
similar
to
other
communities,
I
mean
if,
if
you're
in
my
community-
and
you
were
building
something
next
to
New
Pudsey
train
station,
then
commuting
connectivity
is
excellent
to
to
both
of
the
cities
that
are
near
you.
You
may
then
say
right
well.
D
We'd
expect
a
commuted
some
to
come
along
to
provide
connectivity
to
your
nearest
local
Center,
which
would
be
Pudsey
town
center
and
or
maybe
better
walking
in
cycling
routes.
For
that,
that's
at
the
point
you
could
look
at
it
and
assess
what
car
parking
you
would
then
need
based
on
the
relative
connectivity,
and
you
could
do
the
same
for
safety
in
that
regard
and
say
well
how
safe
is
it
to
get
to
that
that
train
station,
which
is
unstaffed
of
an
evening?
D
So
so
maybe
that's
something
where
that
would
allow
us
to
have
certain
levels
based
on
the
site.
Yes,
two
houses
next
to
a
farm
in
I'm,
not
going
to
mention
a
name
of
a
place,
but
in
a
rural
location,
it's
going
to
be
impossible
to
to
get
good
connectivity
to
there
without
there
being
a
private
car
available.
But
maybe
that's
something
we
can
use.
E
Taylor
I
understand
both
sides.
Counselor
Brooks
is
all
about
safety,
not
just
for
women,
for
young
people
as
well,
especially
in
the
dark
evenings
and
counselor,
and
listen
first
I
actually
agree
with
councilor
Anderson,
but
I,
don't
think
we
will
ever
get
it
right
until
we
get
the
public
transport
right
because
that's
where
the
issue
is,
if
you
looked
at
today's
public
transport,
you've
looked
at
the
board,
it's
two
minutes:
it
declined
to
five
minutes
and
so
on
and
so
on.
E
So
we
have
to
get
public
transport
right
and
give
the
public
the
trust
to
use
public
transport
to
know
I'm
going
to
be
there
for
10
o'clock.
The
bus
is
coming
at
two
minutes
to
10
and
go
out
there
and
get
the
bus
to
train
and
that's
where
we
need
to
work
from.
But
we
do
need
to
think
of
safety
for
women,
not
just
women
for
everyone,
but
young
people
as
well,
because
young
people
don't
go
out.
A
I
agree:
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
that
needs
a
response.
It
was
a
clear
view.
Thank
you.
Can
we
move
on
to
the
next
one
development
management
policies,
I
believe
councilor
Anderson
wanted
to
speak
on
this.
O
Sorry,
it
was
the
concept
that
Jenny
Fisher
brought
forward.
How
do
we
incorporate
that
into
our
plans
in
the
future?
I'm
not
saying
we
should
definitely
100
take
everything
she
said,
because
she
was
just
as
putting
it
up
as
our
discussion
point,
but
how
do
we
incorporate
that
into
our
new
plans
so
that
we
are
planning
new
Estates
in
a
more
sustainable
fashion?.
B
Just
to
say,
a
lot
of
the
sort
of
the
place
making
Ambitions
of
the
council
are
set
out
in
local
Plan,
update
on
in
terms
of
design
of
new
development
and
place,
making
and
layout
of
sites,
particularly
in
terms
of
reducing
carbon,
improving
health
and
well-being
and
and
I.
B
Think
from
the
the
example
you
gave
about
approach
to
what
was
it
Waste
Management
yeah
approach
to
waste
management,
as
we've
said
that
that
can
be
dealt
with
without
necessarily
having
a
change
to
uppercase
policy,
but
we'll
take
that
away
and
we'll
we'll
have
a
think
about
that.
B
But
but
certainly
the
the
the
DM
policies
at
the
moment
are
really
about
sort
of
clarifying
the
DM
policies
as
regards
to
up-to-date
National
guidance
and
certainly
as
we
go
through
the
process,
there'll
be
plenty
of
opportunity
to
to
think
about
whether
they
need
to
be
more
specific
and
whether
they
cover
the
right
range
of
issues
that
members
want
them
to
cover.
A
Thank
you
are
there
any
further
points
on
this
topic.
Okay,
I
think,
is
that
the
last
one
I
think
it's
the
last
one.
Okay,
so
with
a
mind
of
the
recommendation,
we
we've
noted
it.
We've
debated
it
and
it
made
up
our
comment:
are
we
all
happy
for
this
to
go
and
be
put
into
consultation
form
and
then
we'll
we'll
bring
it
back
again
when
it's
in
that
form
for
us
to
actually
approve
you're?
Okay
with
that?
A
Okay,
next
to
gender
item,
then
please,
which
is
the
draft
Innovation
Arc
supplementary
planning
document.
N
K
Good
afternoon
Janet
Harry
I'm
principal
planner,
working
in
the
policy
team
and
I'm
working
alongside
Sam
Sam
Lewis
in
the
Regeneration
team,
as
well
so
I'll
give
the
introduction
and
Sam
will.
Chip
in
as
as
needed
is
in
terms
of
questions
that
we
have
we
might
receive
so
okay,
so
the
purpose
of
them
attending
today
is
to
present
a
report
on
the
draft
supplementary
planning
document
for
the
city
center
West
Innovation
Arc,
which
is
currently
subject
to
public
consultation
slide.
K
Please
Adam
hope
you
can
see
that
it's
not
very
clear,
but
The.
Innovation
Arc
is
an
area
located
on
the
west
side
of
the
city
center,
stretching
from
the
edge
of
Woodhouse,
Lane
and
Woodhouse
more
to
the
north,
down
to
the
river
air,
to
the
South
Park
Row
to
the
East
and
Clarendon
Road,
and
the
inner
Ring
Road
to
the
West.
K
As
shown
on
the
slide,
it
is
home
to
some
of
the
city's
major
Institute
anchor
institutions,
including
the
universities
and
Leeds
teaching,
hospitals,
NHS
trusts,
which
are
focused
for
economic
growth
and
Innovation,
together
with
important
Heritage
and
cultural
buildings.
Next
slide,
please:
the
purpose
of
the
SPD
is
to
provide
Clarity
on
how
policies
in
the
local
plan
should
be
implemented
in
the
context
of
the
SPD
area,
in
particular
spatial
policy
3
relating
to
the
role
of
the
City
Center
policy,
CC1
City,
Center
development,
cc3,
improving
connectivity
between
the
city
center
and
neighboring
communities
and
P11.
K
In
regard
to
conservation.
There
are
other
local
plan
policies
of
religions
to
the
SPD
area
and
its
Ambitions,
some
of
which
will
be
subject
to
change
through
lpu
one,
in
particular
the
policies
for
climate
change.
The
SPD
will
be
a
material
consideration
in
the
determination
of
planning
applications.
It
could
also
be
used
to
guide
investors
and
developers
and
help
inform
future
delivery
plans
and
funding
bids
next
slide.
K
Please,
the
SBD
sets
out
the
vision
and
development
principles
for
the
area
through
positive
interventions
to
address
the
three
pillars
of
climate
change:
inclusive
growth
and
health
and
well-being.
Six
key
themes
are
presented:
a
sustainable
and
carbon
neutral
development,
movement
and
connectivity,
public,
open
space
core
and
supporting
uses,
Heritage
and
identity
and
people
and
culture
next
slide.
Please.
K
The
great
George
Street
neighborhood
area
is
focused
on
the
Leeds
General
Infirmary.
The
development
of
the
two
new
hospital
buildings
that
adults
and
children
will
facilitate
development
opportunities
for
the
Surplus
land
and
the
ReUse
of
key
Heritage
assets.
That's
the
Gilbert
Scott
Building
and
the
old
Medical
School.
The
SBD
recognizes
the
need
for
a
future
master
plan
or
planning
brief
to
set
out
the
development
parameters
for
the
delivery
of
the
Surplus
area
in
consultation
with
the
NHS
Trust.
K
K
A
A
Okay,
Council
Brooks,
please.
F
Thanks
I've
got
a
few
questions
first,
what
does
Arc
stand
for?
F
Second,
on
the
page,
with
development
principles,
I
didn't
see
any
mention
of
affordable
housing
or
student
accommodation
and
in
this
area,
you'd
expect
to
see
that
when
I
mean,
if
you,
if
you're
in
the
room
previously
like
we
were,
we
were
discussing
that
at
length
how's,
the
funding
yeah
number
three:
has
the
funding
for
the
hospital
actually
come
forward
yet
and
for
I've
not
received
enough
notice
to
to
actually
engage
with
my
residents
in
this
area.
Properly.
I
only
heard
about
this
like
a
week
and
a
half
ago.
A
N
K
Can
start
the
actually.
A
K
Adam
could
go
back
to
the
slide,
go
where
there's
the
neighbor
there's
the
start
of
the
neighborhood
Aries.
That's
it
that
that
slide.
So
the
the
idea
of
the
arc
is
is
basically
the
preparation
of
the
SPD.
Was
regeneration,
commissioned
Planet,
C
and
Delight
to
do
a
space
analysis
of
the
area,
and
it
was
through
that
process
that
an
idea
of
an
arc
which
that
sort
of
curb
is
sort
of
reflecting
the
the
shape
of
the
of
the
SPD
area.
K
So
it's
it's
nothing
more
than
nothing
more
than
that,
so
it's
just
to
describe
the
shape
of
the
area
in
terms
of
student,
housing
and
affordable
housing.
I
think
it's
important
to
say
that
the
SPD
is
it's
not
introducing
new
policies
building
on
existing
policy
and
obviously
any
development
within
the
SPD
area
would
have
to
abide
by
existing
policy
in
the
course
strategy
relating
to
Affordable,
and
you
know,
affordable
housing
or
student
housing.
K
So
it's
not
seeking
to
supplement
that
because
it
was
seen
that
the
existing
policy
was
was
sufficient
for
the
for
the
area.
Clearly,
you
know
if
this
I
think
also
the
area
within
within
the
boundaries
is
very
much
a
settled
area
in
terms
of
a
lot
of
the
development
has
already
come
forward.
K
A
lot
of
the
key
sites
have
already
come
forward
through
sort
of
sap
and
windfall,
so
we're
not
anticipating
a
lot
more
housing
in
the
area.
I,
don't
know
whether
Martin
wants
to
add
to
that
or
yeah.
B
Sorry,
just
to
say,
I
I,
don't
think
it
was
that
we
didn't
think
that
the
existing
policies
were
was
sufficient,
because
obviously,
we've
committed
to
look
at
them
again
through
a
local
Plan
update
too
in
terms
of
both
student
housing
and
and
the
way
affordables
are
delivering.
Just
that.
As
Janet
said,
the
SPD
doesn't
give
us
the
the
wriggle
room
to
be
able
to
set
new
policy
and
go
further
than
than
existing
policy
at
the
moment.
So,
whilst
these
are
important
issues
for
within
the
SPD
area,
the
SPD
isn't
focusing
on
on
them.
B
It's
relying
on
existing
policy
within
the
plan.
Now,
as
local
Plan
update,
2
progresses
and
gets
to
adoption,
there
may
be
a
need.
There
probably
will
be
a
need
to
update
this
supplementary
planning
document
to
take
account
of
new
policies
around
affordable
housing
and
student
housing
in
the
area.
But
for
now
the
the
key
things
that
it's
that
it's
tackling
her
as
Janet
sets
out
around
sort
of
connectivity,
an
historic
environment,
Etc.
A
Council
Brooks,
you
made
a
number
of
other
points.
Is
there
anything
that
you
feel
you
need
more
clarification
on?
Sorry.
F
C
Happy
to
help
with
that
chair,
thank
you,
councilor
Brooks,
it's
a
good
question.
I
mean
we're
not
short
of
policy
documents.
Aren't
we
this
is.
This
is
part
of
the
challenge.
I
think
we
Face,
sometimes
I
mean
I.
Think
the
focus
of
the
SPD
is
that
it's
trying
to
amplify
a
series
of
topic
areas
which
are
listed
on
the
screen
there
and
they're
supplementing
the
higher
level
policies
in
the
course
strategy
and
under
the
policies
that
that
currently
exist.
C
If
there
are
neighborhood
plans
in
production,
then
each
of
these
documents
will
need
to
take
the
other
into
account.
So
the
the
simple
answer
is
they'll
need
to
take
each
other
into
account.
What
and
part
of
the
neighborhood
planning
process
is
that,
once
those
plans
are
made,
then
they
have
development
plan
status
and
they're
all
part
of
The
Suite
of
policy
documents
that
we're
working
to
hope.
That's
helpful,
Chad
thank.
R
Not
on
that
one,
specifically
on
the
previous
point
about
the
hospital
site
which
I
don't
think
we
answered,
so
the
hospital
have
outline
planning,
consent,
I,
think
I'm,
right
and
saying
for
their
two
new
hospitals.
R
I
believe
they've
also
started
on
some
of
the
demolition
of
their
existing
estate.
I'm,
not
clear
in
entirely
whether
they've
got
funding
for
the
full
Hospital
development.
That's
not
something
that's
in
the
public
domain
as
far
as
I'm
aware,
but
they're,
certainly
starting
on
the
job
of
relocating
from
what's
what's
termed
their
Surplus
estate,
which
is
the
southern
southern
part
of
their
estate,
which
is
where
we
we've
indicated
that
were
that
to
happen,
development
guidance,
more
development
guidance
would
be
needed
in
the
form
of
a
planning.
Brief.
A
I
can
confirm
that
what
you've
said
is
is
correct.
There
is
outline
planning
permission
in
place
and
they
have
started
demolishing
parts
of
it
and
they
have
a
clear
plan
of
action.
I
know
that,
just
because
I
sit
on
the
Leeds
hospitals
charity
board,
the
money
has
not
come
through
yet,
and
we
are
very
concerned
about
that
very
concerned.
So
that
does
need
to
lobbying
if
you
like,
so
there's
by
no
means
certain.
Yet
any
further
questions,
comments
or
observations,
councilor,
Carlin
and
then
councilor,
Brooks,
I'll.
D
Do
one
around
it's
one
of
those
areas
of
the
city
that
there's
so
much
in
that's
necessary,
but
because
of
all
those
necessary
functions
and
areas
with
it
that
get
a
bit
of
leeway
in
planning
such
as
hospitals,
which
are
required
and
therefore
have
a
lot
of
leeway
in
the
planning
ones
that
come
forward.
That
does
create
a
bit
of
a
barrier
through
the
areas
and
the
space
that
we'd,
probably
all
see
as
public.
You
know
in
the
middle
of
the
hospital
in
the
middle
of
the
university
and
such
it's,
not
public
land.
D
It's
part
of
their
Estates,
but
we'd
certainly
want
more
around
there
to
offer
permeability
through
those
sites
to
some
of
the
neighboring
areas
which
I
think
it
marks
in
the
plan
that
what
surrounds
this
as
some
of
the
the
areas
of
of
most
deprivation
in
Leeds
and
what
they
then
have
is
quite
a
difficult
journey
to
get
through
into
the
city
center
from
those
parts
and
and
there
areas
where
it's
not
particularly
Pleasant,
to
walk.
There's
an
issues
page
right
at
the
end
of
the
document
that
highlights
I,
think
Willow,
Terrace
or
whatever.
D
That
bridge
is
over
the
over
the
inner
Ring
Road,
which
is
not
a
very
nice
route
at
all,
but
I.
Imagine
more
people
walk
over
that
than
drive
over
that
that
the
road,
through
the
middle
of
the
hospital
which
I
can't
remember
what
it's
called
after
you
go
past
the
the
main
car
park
that
is
just
effectively
a
slightly
underground
and
grimy
Alleyway
with
vehicles
on
it.
D
That
would
could
be
a
really
nice
public
group
through
into
the
city
center,
but
I
think
there's
that
mix
of
use
in
here
and
I
always
often
think
about
the
areas
around
Saint
Paul's
square
and
those
areas
which
tend
to
have
quite
a
lot
of
high
value
cars
parked
in
it.
But
that
makes
it
not
necessarily
that
nice
to
walk
and
cycle
around
which
in
fact
that
doesn't
happen
in
in
other
areas,
we
call
it
the
West
End
a
bit
on
there,
which
you're
more
likely
to
go
there
to
visit
your
lawyer.
D
Aren't
you
than
to
than
to
go
see
a
musical
and-
and
it
feels
a
bit
like
that,
whereas
actually
it
isn't
it's
a
part
of
the
city
center
as
much
as
of
any
of
the
others,
and
it
just
has
a
very
different
feel
when
you
walk
into
it
than
others.
Sometimes
it
feels
a
bit
exclusive
which
I
think
it
shouldn't
do
so
so
I
think
I
think
those
bits
are
really
welcome.
Just
opening
this
bit
of
the
city
center
out
more
not
much
of
this
is
likely
to
change.
D
The
university
will
still
be
there
for
many
years.
The
hospital
will
still
Thrive
for
many
years
and
hopefully
we'll
we'll
get
the
funding
to
open
that
new
building.
So
it
really
does
take
an
opportunity
to
try
and
open
that
up
and
make
it
a
nicer
space
which
has
maybe
remissed
at
some
point
along
the
way.
F
Yeah,
so
right
from
what
I
understand,
if,
if
a
neighborhood
plan
is
in
development,
which
one
is
by
little
Woodhouse
Community
Association,
this
document
needs
to
reference.
That
document
is
that
correct.
F
B
And,
and,
and
certainly
this,
this
document
won't
take
any
precedence
over
the
the
neighborhood
plan,
particularly
if
it's,
if
it's
got
Amplified
policies
from
a
neighborhood
plan
perspective
on
on
affordable
housing.
So
I
think
I
think,
through
this
consultation
period,
there'll
be
an
opportunity
to
clarify
that.
B
Should
that
be
a
confusing
point
for
users
of
the
development
plan,
then
I
think
when
it
comes
to
the
final
version
of
this,
we
can
remedy
that
and
certainly
I,
think
there's
there's
an
onus
on
us
through
this
consultation
process,
to
have
those
detailed
conversations
with
those
Community
groups
because
and
that
those
neighborhood
groups,
because
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
we
would
look
for
them
to
do-
is
to
use
the
priorities
as
they're
set
out
within
this
SPD
and
and
either
endorse
them,
or
maybe
even
rationalize
them
down,
because
there's
actually
quite
a
few
priorities
in
here.
B
So
it
would
be
really
welcome
if,
if
neighborhood
groups
could
say
well,
actually
we
like
those
three,
those
three
really
meet
our
Ambitions
for
within
the
neighborhood
plan
area.
So,
whilst
it's
right
that
you've
got
a
long
list
of
policies,
it
might
be,
it
might
be
useful
for
that
engagement
to
to
narrow
that
down
somewhat.
But
but
I
take
your
point.
Counselor
books
and
we
will
will
seek
to
engage
with
that
group.
A
Point
taken,
thank
you
for
that.
Any
more
contributions
on
this
document.
A
Yeah,
the
recommendation
is
that
we
have
provided
comments
which
we
have
done
and
noted
the
public
consultation
to
start
on
the
24th
until
the
12th,
so
Julie
noted
I
think
back
committee,
and
thank
you
for
that.
Okay,
I
think
that's
the
last
formal
agenda
item
yeah,
okay
and
date
of
next
meeting
noted
any
more
final
contributions.
Any
other
business
well
can
I.
Just
thank
you
very
much
for
what
I
think
has
been
a
very
reflective
and
extremely
thought-provoking
meeting.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
think
you
know.