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A
Good
afternoon
everyone
good
afternoon
and
welcome
to
today's
meeting
of
sub
of
Southern
Westland
panels,
my
name
is
councilor.
Eileen,
Taylor
and
I
will
be
chairing
today's
meeting.
Today's
meeting
has
been
live
stream
and
the
city
council
YouTube
channels,
so
the
public
can
observe
the
meeting
without
needing
to
be
present
South
and
Western
panels.
These
applications
from
the
south,
Northwest
and
west
of
the
city.
The
aim
of
the
panel
is
to
hear
all
resonant
information
and
from
applicants.
A
F
Councilor
John
galvani
Horace
with
Ward
good
afternoon,
everybody,
Council,
Neil,
Walsh
or
heading
me
in
High,
Park.
H
J
A
I
A
Thanks
we'll
now
move
on
to
item
six
meeting
minutes
of
the
last
meeting
held
on
September
the
29th
and
take
it
members
of
red
Dominic.
So
could
I
have
a
great
minute,
counselor
Walsh.
Could
someone
second
after
two
seconds
is:
are
there
any
matters
arising
from
the
minute?
So
no
you
move
it.
Are
there
any
things?
A
Okay,
thank
you.
We'll
go
straight
on
to
item
seven
guys,
let's
cool
field
roads
and
guys,
please
so
okay
and
go
over
to
the
officer
to
present
this.
B
Just
in
terms
of
updates
I'm
aware
that
panel
members
have
received
an
email
from
counselors,
Alderson
and
Wadsworth,
it
is
a
late
objection
and
I'd
just
like
to
paraphrase
that,
if
I,
if,
if
I
may,
they
say
as
Ward
counselors
for
geisley
and
the
rod
and
Ward,
we
wish
to
register
our
formal
objection
to
this
proposal.
B
This.
This
open
area
of
land
has
been
seen
and
used
by
the
local
community
for
many
years
and
is
one
of
the
few
truly
Open
Spaces
in
the
area
for
some
distance
as
such
it.
It
allows
local
residents
to
access
a
site
and
partake
in
activities
not
really
practical
in
enclosed
Gardens
such
as
walking
or
jogging.
B
It
does
go
on
then
to
say
that
the
application
before
panel
is
actually
one
of
a
pair
of
separate
but
intrinsically
linked
applications,
the
other
application
being
for
a
new
3G
pitch
and
foot
lighting
with
new
emergency
access
and
the
relocation
of
long
jumps
and
Associated
Landscaping
work,
which
is
not
yet
ready
for
consideration.
Therefore,
to
consider
this
application
alone
would
be
premature.
B
Thank
you
and
finally,
the
note
goes
on
to
say
that
our
previous
comment
for
deferral
stands,
but
if
it
is
imperative
that
the
application
has
to
be
determined
today,
we
respectfully
request
and
ask
that
the
gates
remain
open
when
the
school
is
not
sitting
each
evenings
and
weekends
to
allow
the
community
to
use
the
site
and
this
be
set
by
planning
condition
from
the
panel
as
I
say.
That's
the
comments
received
from
counselor
Wadsworth
and
councilor
Anderson.
B
Sorry,
so
I
will
comment
on
those
issues
raised
as
we
go
through
this
presentation,
but
in
relation
to
the
pending
application,
which
is
obviously
for
3G
pitch
with
floodlighting.
This
is
a
separate
application.
It's
entirely
a
separate
matter,
and
it's
one
which
will
obviously
be
considered
in
the
fullness
of
time
and,
like
any
other
application,
it
will
be
determined
on
its
own
individual
planning
merits
both
this
application
before
you
today,
and
the
application
I've
just
mentioned
for
the
3G
pitch
has
been
advertised
in
accordance
with
with
planning
procedures.
B
In
addition,
wider
health
and
safety
matters
are
also
raised
and
the
fact
that
funding
for
the
proposed
fencing
has
only
recently
been
approved
following
several
earlier
unsuccessful
bids.
So
that's
the
the
the
context
for
this
application
and
just
turn
into
the
slides.
B
Okay,
so
the
application
site
is
edged
in
red
the
kind
of
inset
line.
If
you
like
the
purple
color
boundary,
is
the
alignment
of
the
proposed
fencing
and,
as
you
can
see,
there
is
a
standoff
distance
between
the
two
and
I'll
come
on
to
that
and
explain
the
reasons
behind
that
in
a
moment,
but
effectively
it's
to
protect
and
preserve
existing
tree
cover
and
vegetation.
So
the
the
proposed
alignment
of
the
fences
that
interfere
with
with
the
existing
kind
of
landscaping
and
Greenery.
B
So
just
in
terms
of
the
geography,
the
site
is
positioned
in
the
urban
area
of
of
guys.
The
school
itself
is
just
to
the
southeast
of
the
screen,
as
as
we
look
at
it,
trying
to
get
the
pointer
to
work
actually.
B
Yeah
I'll
try
and
describe
it
as
we
go
as
we
go
through
that
to
the
to
the
south
of
the
scientist
field.
They
drive
to
the
to
the
west
of
the
societies
Bradford
Road
and
that
forms
the
boundary
of
the
conservation
area
which
is
referenced
in
your
report
to
the
east
of
the
site
is
older,
sideway
and
old.
B
Side
Road
separating
the
School
site
from
the
application
site
is
a
public
footpath
which
is
on
the
Southeastern
kind
of
boundary,
as
we
look
at
it
and
that
links
field
and
drive
to
to
on
the
side,
road
and
ultimately
onto
Back
Lane
itself.
B
But
it
does
show
the
reason
why
the
the
the
red
line
is
in
set,
because
what
you
can
see
on
this
is
all
the
existing
trees
and
the
root
protection
areas
which,
as
I
say,
the
the
fence
line
has
been
designed
to
accommodate
those
and
to
ensure
that
there
is
no
removal
or
tree
loss
as
part
of
this
application
process,
and
the
inset
that
you
can
see
on
the
on
the
western
boundary
here
means
that
the
fence
line
is
in
set
by
approximately
two
and
a
half
to
three
meters
and
that
allows
a
margin
there
for
landscaping
and
tree
planting,
should
that,
should
that
be
necessary
to
help
integrate
the
fencing
into
the
into
the
landscape
and
similarly,
on
the
eastern
boundary
of
the
site,
the
standoff
distances
between
six
and
seven
meters
to
Residential
Properties
again
to
safeguard
existing
tree
cover
and
vegetation,
but
equally
sufficient
distance
away
from
housing.
B
So
it
doesn't
cause
any
kind
of
visual
harm
in
that
regard
and
in
terms
of
the
overall
solution.
Well,
it's
pretty
standard
design
solution.
Well,
mesh,
fencing,
2.4
meters
high,
is
what
you
tend
to
see
around
most
School
sites.
It's
a
DFE
standard
requirement,
green
powder
coated,
the
width
between
the
posts
on
on
site
will
be
approximately
two
and
a
half
meters,
so
the
panel
widths.
B
You
know
these
kind
of
solutions
are
found
in
most
urban
areas:
Greenbelt
settings
and
conservation
areas
alike.
So
so
it's
it's
a
kind
of
a
an
accepted
solution
and,
as
I
say,
pretty
common
on
school
sites
across
the
country
and
across
Leeds.
B
Just
in
terms
of
the
the
aerial
image,
then
clearly
the
sites
laid
out
there's
playing
fields
at
the
moment
used
by
guisley
school.
As
we
look
at
it,
the
school
itself
is
positioned,
although
it's
been
redeveloped
now
to
the
to
the
southeast
of
that
of
that
of
that
image.
This
is
the
can't
get
the
pointer
to
work.
D
B
B
B
This
is
a
view
again
from
the
south
of
the
site
this
time
on
the
inside
of
that
hedge
line
I've
just
described
facing
west
and
the
other
feature
that
you
can
see
there
in
the
background
is
this
stone
wall,
which
is
to
remain
again
in
situ
it's
affected
by
the
proposal.
There
is
quite
a
difference
in
land
levels
between
Bradford
Road
and
the
plane
fields,
so
the
the
visual
impacts
of
the
of
the
fence
would
be
would
be
negligible
in
that,
in
that
respect,.
B
And
this
is
a
view
looking
now
South
West,
so
the
the
fence
line
would
be
now
on
the
right
hand,
side
as
we
as
we
look
at
it.
So
on
this
line
here,
as
I
say,
unaffected
by
the
scheme
and
Public
Access
would
be
basically
a
continuation
of
what
the
arrangement
is
at
the
moment,
yeah
This
Is,
A
View
From
the
edge
of
the
conservation
area
so
to
the
west
of
the
site,
but
this
time
Facing
East.
B
This
is
the
existing
stone
wall,
an
existing
access
which
will
be
retained
and
used
as
part
of
accessing
to
the
playing
fields.
B
This
is
a
view
Facing
East,
so
these
are
properties
on
older
Side,
Road,
all
the
sideway,
and,
again
from
that,
you
can
see
the
existing
kind
of
boundary
treatment
that
exists
along
that
and
acts
as
a
green
buffer.
But
equally,
as
I
mentioned
also,
the
fence
line
will
not
be
positioned
directly
on
the
boundary
it
would
be
in
set
between
six
and
seven
meters.
So
again,
a
reasonable
standoff
distance.
In
that
respect,.
B
This
is
a
view
facing
north,
which
is
fairly
open
in
nature,
and
you
would
only
see
the
fence
line
effectively
from
long
distance
views.
G
B
Terms
of
just
some
kind
of
computer
generated
images,
this
is
a
view
from
Bradford
Road,
thanks
in
Facing
East
and
in
terms
of
the
height
of
the
fence
line.
B
The
defense
would
have
no
material
impact.
It
is
something
which
can
be
easily
accommodated
into
the
landscape.
B
The
similar
this
is
a
view
from
fielded,
Drive
and
I,
think
the
the
Hedge
has
grown
since
the
CGI
was
done,
because
you
can
now
see
the
top
of
the
fence,
but
in
reality,
as
we
could
see
this
morning
on
site,
the
the
height
of
the
Hedge
is
higher
than
the
majority
of
the
fence
line
as
we
walked
along
feel
their
Drive.
But
again,
even
if
you
accept
that
as
a
visualization,
the
the
visual
impact
is
extremely
Limited,
so
that
that
kind
of
concludes
all
those
slides
chair.
B
Just
in
terms
of
Sykes
land
use
allocation.
B
The
site
is
allocated
as
green
space
in
the
site
allocations
plan
with
a
typology
of
outdoor
sports,
and
this
is
consistent
with
the
site's
UDP
allocation,
which
is
also
applicable
in
this
instance,
and
designated
as
protected
plane
pictures
and
that
would
be
n6
in
terms
of
the
the
udpi
allocation
and
consistent
with
many
school
sites
across
the
across
the
city.
B
The
report
itself
sets
out
the
the
policy
position
in
this
regard,
and
the
enclosure
of
the
land
does
not
conflict
with
these
planning
policies,
and
there
is
no
material
change
of
use
of
the
land
involved
and
I
think
it's
also
worth
noting
that
there's
an
existing
Community
use
agreement
on
the
School
site
and
that
related
to
the
Redevelopment
of
the
school
back
in
2019
and
that
planning
condition
to
to
relate
to
community
use
was
approved
and
agreed,
and
that
remains
in
force
and
would
be
unaffected
by
this
proposal
as
well.
B
A
C
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
the
time
today,
so
my
name
is
Chris
show
and
I'm
I'm
a
resident
of
old
Side,
Road
and
I'm
here
speaking
on
behalf
of
all
the
residents
and
people
from
further
afield,
so
we
believe
that
this
application
contrains
a
national
planning
policy
framework,
particularly
section
14,
meeting
the
challenge
of
climate
change
and
flooding,
and
this
is
because,
firstly,
the
application
site
is
situated
in
a
location
containing
high
surface
water,
flood
risks
and
there's
also
current
records
of
recent
flooding
within
properties.
C
C
We
don't
believe
it's
that
this
planning
process
are
they
interrelated
when
I
know
that
they're
getting
treated
separately,
but
we
believe
actually,
they
are
interrelated
for
the
AGP
pitch
I've
been
undertaken
in
an
open
and
honest
Manner,
and
that
goes
against
the
the
values
of
the
council.
C
The
planning
team
has
been
shown
to
be
highly
selective
or
even
discriminatory
against
its
handling
of
what
the
elected
officers
have
requested.
What
the
local
community
looks
at
and
resident
contributions
from
people
like
myself
and-
and
this
has
been
at
every
level
of
rack
from
the
chief
planning
officer
and
downwards.
C
We've
made
a
number
of
formal
complaints
to
the
council,
including
to
the
monitoring
and
section
151
officers
and
the
first
one
of
these
is
around
outstanding.
Environmental
information
requests
this.
So
these
are
requests
that
are
known,
but
currently
we've
held
for
geotechnical
reports,
historic
flood
risk,
mitigations
and
legal
Clarity
of
liability
for
the
existing
flood
risk
and
the
disrepair
of
the
flood
assets
that
should
be
maintained
by
the
council.
We
also
are
looking
at
complaints
around
improper
legal
planning
and
Democratic
process.
C
A
A
C
So
really
what
I
was
trying
to
say
the
the
process
has
not
been
correct
for
for
getting
this
fence
put
forward.
So
if
I
move
on
to
the
the
final
bit
then
on
this
area,
one
of
the
reasons
for
not
putting
the
fence
in
is
that
the
the
flood
risk
in
the
area
and
there
should
be
no
no
actual
development
on
there
until
that
risk
has
been
properly
assessed,
and
we
don't
believe,
that's
the
case
and
an
example
of
that
they
stay
old.
Aside
the
old
side.
C
I
said
it's
got:
seven
High
High,
Road,
police
columns
and
14
medium
flood
risk
guns,
and
we
believe
this
has
not
been
taken
into
account
by
both
planning
and
the
the
local
flooding
agency
as
well.
So
so
for
that
reason,
we
think
that
this
application
itself
contravenes
the
national
planning
policy
framework
and
it
would
be
procedural
impropriety
for
the
council
to
actually
make
a
decision
without
first
determining
the
actual
risk,
and
what
that
is.
C
The
next
area
that
we're
looking
at
is
very
similar
to
what
Mr
ran
down.
There
was
talking
about
earlier.
What
the
the
other
Council
has
been
talking
about
about.
The
community
use
how
it's
been
used
and
I've
lived
in
the
area
for
20
25
years.
It's
always
been
accessible
to
the
community.
C
Historically,
that's
been
ongoing
for
well
over
50
years
since
the
since
the
land
was
made
into
what
it
is
today
and
that's
used
heavily
by
people
to
do
running
jogging,
walking
lots
of
different
activities.
Children
sledging,
you
name
it.
It
goes
on
and
that's
not
just
the
community.
It's
actually
people
at
the
school
outside
of
the
school
as
well.
C
That
use
that
and
we've
worked
out
roughly
remove
about
7
300
hours
of
access
for
the
community
by
benting
off
and
not
giving
us
access
anymore
and
we
believe
that'll
be
detrimental
to
the
well-being.
A
C
Yeah
I
agree
the
Flint
defense
itself,
wouldn't
do
a
flood,
but
the
the
land
does
flood
and
it
will
also
it
will
be
detrimental
to
the
upkeeping,
the
repair
of
the
culverts
and
everything
that's
in
that
area
and
that's
the
responsibility
of
the
council
and
that
doesn't
seem
to
be
taken
into
consideration.
In
our
opinion,
I.
A
Don't
think
you
take
into
consideration
and
if
the
flood
do
happen,
it
will
be
up
to
the
school
to
rectify
it
and
it
will
be
their
Finance,
but
the
office
says
that
just
represent
the
application
highlighted
that
the
community
use
will
still
there.
So
I'll
just
go
over
to
members.
If
members
have
any
question
to
ask
counselor
Anderson
Just.
H
H
C
H
The
follow-up
to
that
is
the
suggestion
that
was
made
by
two
of
your
ward
members
that
we
heard
earlier
on
is
if
this
application
was
to
be
approved
today.
Would
you
be
happy
if
we
said
that
it
needs
to
be
open
to
the
public
at
non-school
hours?
Is
that
something
that
well,
she
I
accept?
You
don't
want
it,
but
if
it
has
to
be
there,
is
that
something
you
think
can.
A
A
H
No,
if
it's
been
used,
if
the
fence
is
being
used
to
safeguard
pupils,
that
means
you
can't
allow
people
just
to
willy-nilly,
come
in
and
go
as
they
please
right.
So
what
I'm
asking
for
is
once
the
school
day
is
over
and
once
it's
not
been
used
for
sports
events
by
the
school
at
a
weekend
for
any
sporting
activity
would
would
the
community
be
happy
that
that
would
still
enable
them
to
use
the
site?
That's
all
I'm,
not
trying
to
have
an
argue
and
I'm
just
trying
to
help
get
some
clarity
on
this.
H
C
Yes,
it
would
but
also
there's
other
mitigations
that
I
didn't
get
time
to
speak
about
like
the
The
View,
that
people
will
get
it's
not.
It
will
obstruct
certainly
one
of
the
houses.
It
will
obstruct
completely,
so
there's
all
the
mitigations,
but
that
would
be
one
mitigation
that
we
would
welcome.
Yes,.
I
J
J
Sorry
I
think,
there's
a
slight
confusion.
Wasn't
there
I
think
what
council
Anderson
was
suggesting
that
defense
was
left
open
to
allow
access
on
an
evening
and
weekends?
Is
that
yeah,
which
then
actually
negates
the
point
of
having
a
fence
in
the
first
place?
I
think?
But
what
I
just
want
to
clarify?
J
There
is
an
existing
Community
use
agreement
which
I've
got
here
which
is
fairly
standard
in
that
the
times
for
that
are,
although
restricted,
because
it's
a
community
use
agreement,
you
won't
have
the
direct
access
that
you
have
Matt
now,
but
that's
the
whole
point
of
Defense,
obviously
because
of
the
issues
the
school
think
they
have.
But
here
we've
got
Monday
to
Friday
at
6
p.m,
to
10,
Saturday,
8,
30
a.m,
sorry
to
1800
to
Sunday
or
900
to
16
and
then
school
holidays.
J
It's
a
little
bit
similar,
but
slightly
extended
at
8
30
to
22
Monday
to
Friday,
Saturday,
8,
32,
1600,
1800,
sorry
and
Sunday
nine
o'clock
in
the
morning
to
1600
and
of
course
it
works
a
little
bit
like
the
way
the
Corbin
one
was
that
we
discussed
a
few
weeks
ago
into.
Is
you
know?
It's
run
through
the
city
councils,
letting
in
the
the
school
then
have
direct
control
over
who
they
went
on
to
it.
H
A
H
Thought
I'll
actually
be
at
the
moment.
You
have
got
a
number
of
residents
who
are
objecting
to
this
fence,
and
I
am
trying
to
find
a
way
forward
that
we
can
put
in
place
some
measures
that
would
mitigate
against
some
of
their
concerns.
Not
all
of
them
but
mitigate
our
job
is
to
improve
an
application,
not
just
to
take
it
blindly
and
say
black
and
white,
yes
or
no.
H
K
J
Sorry,
just
for
clarification,
obviously
the
the
school
and
their
representative
will
be
speaking
shortly.
So
you
can
ask
about
that.
But
from
what
I
understand?
Because
of
the
Potential
Threat
from
the
unrestricted
access
in
terms
of
dog,
walkers,
Etc
and
damage,
and
and
on
some
occasions,
needles
and
and
individuals,
the
school
would
not
want
to
open
the
the
gates
afterwards,
because
if
they
did
that
what
would
be
the
point
of
having
the
fence
in
the
first
place.
I
I
Yeah
members
can
I
just
make
one
point
and
there's
been
members
from
the
public
that
a
gentleman
has
sought
to
speak
and
ask
a
question.
Clearly:
you're
aware
that,
in
order
to
speak
and
address
members
for
a
planning
application,
they
must
register
their
desire
to
do
so.
And
I
just
want
to
draw
your
attention
that
I
told
him
that
he's
not
able
to
speak.
L
Thank
you
chair
good
afternoon,
chair
members.
The
proposed
playing
field,
fencing
Associated
maintenance
gate
at
geyser
school
will
be
2.4
meter,
high
visually
permeable,
Green
World
mesh,
a
standard
material
used
at
school
sites.
The
height
of
the
fencing
is
dictated
by
department
for
Education
standard.
That
requires
secure
line,
fences
at
State
schools
to
be
minimum
of
2.4
meter
high.
The
location
of
Defense
has
been
carefully
considered,
taken
into
account
the
existing
trees
and
shrubs,
including
the
route
protection
areas
for
clarity.
No
vegetation
will
be
removed
to
facilitate
the
proposal.
L
Furthermore,
additional
planting
will
be
provided
between
the
existing
dry
stone
wall
and
the
new
fence
along
Bradford
Road.
Due
to
the
current
lack
of
perimeter,
fencing
the
access
to
the
playing
fields,
it's
unrestricted
and,
having
regard
to
some
comments
submitted
by
the
local
community,
it
appears
that
some
view
the
playing
fields
as
public
open
space
and
therefore
believe
it
should
remain
open.
However,
acetylene
outlined
in
offices
report
guys
the
playing
field
to
perform
a
function
as
private
Playing
Fields
used
for
the
purposes
of
the
school
and
are
not
designated
as
public
open
space.
L
Notwithstanding
that
the
area
can
be
used
by
the
local
community
via
approved
Community
use
agreement
at
times
that
this
area
is
not
used
by
the
local
community
by
the
school,
given
the
primary
use
of
the
site
as
Playing
Fields.
This
application
aims
to
improve
safeguarding
measures
at
guys,
disco
where
pupils
are
using
the
playing
fields
during
PE
lessons
or
during
extracurricular
activities.
The
Restriction
of
actors,
access
to
the
general
public
and
security
of
the
children,
are
vital
to
a
good
safeguarding
procedures
which
protect
the
safety
of
both
students
and
staff.
L
To
reiterate
conclusions
of
the
office's
report,
the
proposed
development
is
considered
to
be
acceptable
in
wider
planning
terms
and
lies
within
an
area
of
sufficient
size
to
accommodate
such
proposals
having
without
having
a
detrimental
impact
upon
the
visual
res
or
residential
amenity
of
the
area
or
its
General
character.
I
would
like
to
pass
it
over
to
Paul
Clayton,
a
head
teacher,
guys
disco.
Thank
you.
K
Hey
thank
you.
Maria,
chair
members.
The
governing
body
of
guys's
school
have
taken
the
decision
in
order
to
mitigate
against
ongoing
safeguarding
risks,
to
seek
permission
on
behalf
of
the
alpt,
the
ever
learning
partnership,
trust
to
erector
perimeter
fence
around
the
school
playing
field.
The
safeguarding
issues
of
unsecured,
Playing
Fields
include,
but
are
not
limited
to
the
potential
for
intruders
to
access
the
site,
an
issue
that
has
occurred
three
times
in
the
last
two
years:
the
potential
for
physical
industry
due
to
litter
most
commonly
broken
glass
and
aluminum
cans.
K
An
increasingly
common
issue
of
dogs
being
walked
on
the
field
untethered
during
the
school
day,
and
the
removal
of
dog
feces
by
pe
staff
now
becoming
a
regular
occurrence.
Furthermore,
like
all
secondary
schools,
guisi
school
is
now
more
commonly
required
to
offer
places
to
students
who
require
perimeter
fencing
as
part
of
their
educational
health
care
plan.
K
In
addition
to
these
sort
of
safeguarding
risks,
a
number
of
issues
such
as
field
overuse,
litter
and
vandalism
make
it
impossible
to
keep
the
fields
in
a
condition
conducive
to
the
effective
delivery
of
a
modern
PE
curriculum
keeping
children
safe
in
education.
The
document
which
outlines
the
action
schools
must
take
to
safeguard
children
defines
a
key
part
of
safeguarding
as
taking
action
to
enable
all
children
to
have
the
best
outcomes.
This
planet
application
is
therefore
also
pertinent
to
that
element
of
safeguarding
for
our
young
people.
K
A
successful
bid
for
DFE
funded
block
replacement
program
at
the
school
has
now
made
the
funding
of
this
perimeter.
Fencing
a
possibility
capital
expenditure
previously
used
to
maintain
dilapidated
buildings
is
now
used
for
development
projects
in
the
school,
hence
the
application
being
brought
at
this
time.
The
issue
has
become
more
pressing
for
the
school
in
recent
months.
The
school
mitigates
against
the
current
risks
through
additional
Staffing,
both
in
teaching
and
Associate
staff.
Real-Term
funding
reductions
mean
the
school
is
unable
to
continue
to
mitigate
against
these
risks.
In
this
way,
foreign.
G
A
couple
couple
of
questions
the
first
one
relates
to
what
I
think
is
a
parallel
application
that
you've
got
in
the
pipeline
relating
to
a
3G,
pitch
and
I.
Suppose
the
question
Campbell.
A
G
A
I
I
assess
councilor
Campbell,
just
as
you're
aware
you're,
fully
aware
in
relation
to
the
public
speaking
protocol.
There
is
a
requirement
that
when
members
ask
questions
it's
for
questions
arising
out
of
the
points
that
they've
made
relevant
to
the
application,
that's
being
determined
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
point.
Well,.
G
True
and
I
understand
that,
having
been
on
the
panel
a
long
time
but
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
if
you'd,
let
me
finish-
I
might
have
got
to
that
point,
but
they
are.
But
if
I'm
not
allowed
to
finish
I'm
not
allowed
to
finish.
E
Thank
you
chair,
so
we've
heard
about
the
upset
that
this
is
going
to
cause
in
the
community
and
the
perceived
lack
of
community
use
of
the
facilities,
albeit
we
understand
that
they
do
belong
to
the
school,
and
you
know
the
community
we're
using
it
with
with
you
know,
without
your
blessing,
almost
from
what
I've
heard
we
can't
put
the
fence
in
and
then
open
it
up
for
Community
use,
evenings
and
weekends.
E
So
was
there
any
thought
to
moving
the
fence
further
in
so
leaving
a
larger
perimeter
space
around
to
enable
walk-in
jogging
dog
walking
that
kind
of
thing,
so
it
wasn't
taking
place
on
your
school
grounds,
but
it
was
still
a
facility
available
to
the
community
who've
been
using
it
for
many
years.
Thank
you.
K
K
The
problem
that
we've
got
with
that
is
that
when
you
have
school
playing
fields
and
pitches,
you
need
a
particular
runoff
space
for
the
young
people
that
sits
outside
of
the
pitches
themselves,
and
this
fence
actually
probably
sits
within
that
runoff
space.
So
it's
as
it's
as
tight
Lee
into
the
pitches
and
away
from
the
perimeter
as
it
can
be.
E
So
would
you
perceive
any
difficulty
in
the
community
using
the
space
in
between
the
hedges
and
walls
and
the
fence,
because,
obviously
the
fence
is
moved
in
so
would
they
be
able
to
use
that
external
space?
Please.
K
So,
whilst
that
would
not
cause
us
an
issue
in
terms
of
the
safeguarding
issues
and
concerns,
because
we
wouldn't
expect
our
students
to
use
that
space,
the
problem
it
would
give
the
school
and
something
that
we
would
have
to
think
very
carefully
about-
would
be
the
public
liability.
Whilst
they
were
on
that
land,
so
inviting
people
onto
that
land
which
is
privately
held.
Who
holds
the
responsibility
if
there
is
any
injury
or
issue
cause
whilst
they're
using
it.
H
Although
you
didn't
refer
this
directly,
it
does
fall
to
yourself.
The
officer
explained
to
us
that
the
application
had
been
advertised
correctly
based
on
Lead
City
council's
procedures,
but
as
you're
aware,
because
you've
dealt
with
a
number
of
these
applications
throughout
the
city.
What
additional
consultation
did
you
do
with
the
local
community
I
mean,
for
example,
did
the
school
send
a
letter
home
to
every
parent
explaining
what
was
going
to
happen?
Did
your
Consultants
do
a
letter
drop
or
a
leaflet,
Drop
In,
The,
Wider
area,
to
bring
it
to
people's
attention?
H
We
accept,
or
at
least
I,
accept
that
the
council
have
confirmed
that
they've
done
everything
correct
from
their
point
of
view,
but
again
the
council
officers,
I
would
have
thought
would
have
advised
you
that
it
would
help
your
case
if
you
consulted
more
widely
and
got
local
buy-in.
So
what
did
you
do
to
try
and
get
local
buy-in,
because
before
us
today,
we
have
concerns
by
residents
that
they
haven't
been
properly
consulted.
L
Foreign,
so
we
have
consulted
the
local
community
in
line
with
the
council
statement
of
community
involvement.
We
didn't
actually
have
to
do
it,
but
we
thought
it's
just
the
right
thing
to
do
so.
We
have
distributed
Flyers
to
all
properties
that
Overlook
the
fields
and
a
little
bit
more
I
personally
produced
a
flyer.
In
addition
to
this,
I
visited
the
School
site
twice
and
spoken
to
the
school
Governors
about
this.
L
One
of
the
governors
represented
I,
understand
residents
that
their
back
guard
and
bugs
onto
the
fields
so
I
had
a
conversation
with
the
governor
about
our
plans,
given
given
the
nature
of
the
proposals
and
the
scale
of
the
proposals
we
evaluated
with
together
with
the
school,
and
this
seemed
as
the
most
appropriate
level
of
public
consultation.
Thank
you.
H
To
that,
as
you're
aware
when
your
extension
to
the
school
was
going
forward,
there
was
a
number
of
objections
from
the
local
community
as
a
result
of
the
number
of
objections
you
got
there.
Did
you
not
think
it
would
have
been
better
to
have
consulted
more
wildly
and
got
buy-in
which
we
who
were
in
the
committee
in
2019
had
you
know,
met
with
some
of
the
residents
in
the
area
who
objected
to
your
extension
now
when
we
were
on
site
today?
The
extension
was
brilliantly
built.
H
No,
no,
no
complaints
about
that,
but
you
must
have
been
aware
that
there
was
ill
feeling
at
the
time.
L
Thank
you,
counselor
I'm,
very
well
aware
of
the
objections,
because
I
was
a
company
I
work
for
was
the
agent
for
the
expansion
of
disco
and
I
actually
have
a
relationship
with
residents
living
around
the
school.
That's
why
we
distributed
the
flyer,
then
you
know
there
are
limitations
of
funding.
Obviously,
for
everything
and
like
I
said,
we
assess
the
situation
and
we
thought
that
printing
x
amount
of
flyers
and
distributing
to
all
houses.
L
They
can
actually
see
playing
fields
and
will
be
able
to
see
defense
was
appropriate
and
because
of
the
objections
during
the
refurbishment
of
the
school.
That's
why
we
took.
We
took
our
time
and
met
with
Governors
who
represent
them
as
well
to
make
sure
that
everything
is
done
properly
and
we
discussed
the
proposals.
L
I
personally
professionally
think
that
what
we've
done
as
part
of
the
local
consultation
was
appropriate.
Of
course,
I
would
like
to
say
that,
given
the
planning
process,
this
Democratic
process,
local
residents
also
been
given
opportunity
to
comment
on
a
planning
application
where
it
was
advertised
at
Public,
Access,
so
overall,
I
think
that
that
was
appropriate.
Thank
you.
D
My
my
question,
sorry.
A
Can
I
just
remind
a
member
of
the
public?
You
are
not
allowed
to
speak
and
Chris.
You
already
have
your
opportunity.
You
know
to
speak,
oh,
but
members
of
the
public
not
allowed
to
speak.
Sorry.
A
Regarding
the.
D
Hearthstone
Hedge,
have
you
considered
double
that
putting
a
double
edge
there
rather
than
fencing
it.
A
K
Okay,
so
the
reason
for
looking
to
erector
2.4
meter,
high
fence
is
because
that's
what
conforms
to
the
department
for
education
standards
and
expectations
around
perimeter,
fencing
for
safeguarding
in
schools,
and
that's
why
we
also
didn't
consider
just
enlarging
or
doubling
up
on
the
fence
that
we
had,
or
rather
the
edge
rather
but
the
offense
would
be
the
most
appropriate
solution.
G
B
G
This
unrelated
application,
for
the
benefit
of
my
to
get
clear
in
my
mind,
is
it
within
the
site
enclosed
by
this
fence.
G
B
Well,
the
mission
is
ready
for
determination.
Councilor
it's
been
advertised
in
the
correct
manner.
B
You
know
it's
only
reasonable
and
fair
that
if
an
application
is
due
to
be
determined-
and
you
know,
the
request
has
been
made
for
it
to
be
considered
at
plants
panels
being
brought
to
this
panel
for
consideration,
it's
only
right
and
proper
that
that
it
that
it
is
obviously
considered
and
considered
on
its
own
individual
Merit
I
suspect
the
longer
you
leave
this.
Then
you
know
if
there
are
safeguarding
issues
which
have
been
identified
and
raised
by
the
school,
it
would
be
remiss
not
to
deal
with
that
in
an
efficient
way.
J
We
keep
going
back
to
this
issue
of
the
3G
pitch.
Yes,
there
is
a
separate
application.
That's
been
a
consideration
by
the
council,
but
actually
this
application
and
that
application
are
mutually
exclusive.
The
determination
of
one
is
not
bound
or
Associated
at
all,
with
the
other
one.
We
as
planning
office
duty
bound
to
bring
applications
forward
at
the
earliest
opportunity
for
determination.
This
application
is
ready
for
determination.
J
I
I
was
just
going
to
amplify
on
the
point
that
we've
got
a
statutory
requirement
to
determine
applications
when
they
are
ready,
and
this
application
is
now
ready
and
entirely
exclusive
of
the
other
application.
That's
been
mentioned.
H
As
you
are
aware,
when
we
were
on
site
today
and
councilor
Hamilton's
already
hinted
at
it,
we
looked
at
the
security,
as
is
at
the
moment
in
terms
of
the
Hedge
and
you've
emphasized
that
very
clearly
in
your
presentation
to
us
the
immense
height,
and
you
also
commented
that,
although
the
fence
was
going
to
be
seen
on
the
drawings
that
you
showed,
you
accepted
that
the
Fed
was
already
higher
than
that
and
the
so.
The
visual
immunity
was
going
to
be
even
less
than
than
you'd
emphasized,
and
that
was
very
clear
and
on
site.
H
You
had
a
number
of
members
asking
the
question
why
we
couldn't
in
terms
of
keeping
us
within
the
climate
change
requirements
that
we've
got
by
planting
more
hedging
around
the
area,
which
would
stop
anything
there's.
Also
a
wooden
fence
already
wound
into
the
Hedgerow.
That's
there
already,
so
there
is
already
a
buffer
and
makes
it
very
difficult
to
get
through.
We
also
saw
some
Thorns
as
well,
so
the
permeability
unless
people
want
to
get
ripped
to
shreds
is
going
to
be.
You
know
it
was
already
there
in
terms
of
the
security
of
it.
H
At
any
time,
did
anybody
discuss
with
the
applicants
about
potentially
having
the
fence
at
the
bottom
end
as
well
as
you
come
from
the
school
itself,
so
that
when
you
come
down
the
slope
that
we
came?
And
you
took
us
onto
the
path
that
that
part's
fine,
no
problems
at
all
whatsoever
with
having
a
offense
along
there
and
no
problem
having
a
fence
along
the
part
where
it
shares
it
with
the
next
door?
H
You
would
have
higher
planting
trees
being
planted,
Hedges
being
planted,
which
would
potentially
help
was
that
ever
considered,
because
we've
heard
the
applicant
saying
that
this
is
what
the
day
the
education
department
say,
but
that,
but
we
know
that
every
school
in
this
city
does
not
comply
with
that
whatsoever.
There
are
pioneers
57
varieties,
I
mean
to
give
you
an
example
of
that
in
my
own
Ward,
at
Ralph
laursby,
they
do
have
the
gates
open
and
people
regularly
go
in
after
hours
with
that
one.
H
That's
no
problem
at
all,
so
we
as
a
council
permit
that
at
Ralph
thoresby
school
so
was
that
ever
discussed
and
is
there
any
reason
why
we
cannot
have
defensing
as
specified
in
here
down
the
bottom
end
where
you
accessed,
and
also
the
bit
that
separates
from
the
primary
school
and
the
rest,
the
wall
is
sufficient.
In
my
view.
H
B
Thank
you,
counselor
I,
think
I.
Think
the
key
to
this
is
that
the
school
require
a
secure
perimeter,
boundary
and
and
and
and
where
and
where
you
have
situations
where
there
are
existing
gaps
and
I'll.
Take
your
point
about
planting
up
in
those
gaps,
but
but
you
you
need,
you
need
a
barrier
either
field
which
is
quite,
which
is
quite
substantial,
and
the
2.4
meter
fence
is
the
standard
requirement
which
the
DFE
recommend
I
think
if
it's
hidden
behind
an
edge
as
it
is
in
this
case,
then
you
wouldn't
see
it
anyway.
B
So
what
what
harm?
Does
it
actually
cause
and
I
suspect
that
it's
very
minimal
in
terms
of
its
visual
impact
and
indeed
its
visual
impact
upon
the
setting
of
The
adjacent
Conservation
Area
because
it
is
in
set
as
I've
described
in
the
introduction?
There
is
an
opportunity
along
that
margin
along
the
western
flank
of
the
site,
to
infill
that
with
some
additional
planting,
that's.
H
So
you
know
I,
just
it's
to
meet
the
CL.
We've
got
the
climate
emergency
requirements
that
were
putting
in
and
we
should
be
looking
at
applications
and
where
the
council
have
got
some
responsibility
to
try
and
put
in
as
many
mitigation
measures
and
by
planting
more
Hedgerow
by
planting
additional
trees.
We
would
be
meeting
that
side
of
the
obligation
and
also,
at
the
same
time,
safeguarding
access
to
the
pitches
for
the
safety
of
pupils.
In
my
personal
opinion,.
B
Thank
you,
counselor
and
I.
Think
that's
what
actually
has
been
recommended.
We
have
imposed
a
landscaping
or
suggesting
a
landscaping.
Condition
is,
is
attached
to
any
planning
approval,
so
that
would
create
the
opportunity
to
create,
as
I
say,
a
stronger
buffer,
more
trees
and
more
hedging
to
fill
those
gaps
that
you've
you've
alluded
to.
F
F
Same
with
myself,
yeah.
G
Sorry
sorry,
chair
can
I
ask
a
question
in
relation
to
the
the
reference
to
the
DFE
standard.
B
J
Yeah,
just
to
jump
in
as
well
I
mean
Nelson.
It's
succinctly:
it's
the
recommended
standard,
it's
as
simple
as
that
from
the
DFE
is
that
fence,
but
as
any
of
us
around
here,
if
you
can
think
back
far
enough
of
being
a
child
ever
actually
gone
through
a
hedge
because
they
are
permeable.
Even
if
they're
made
out
of
Hawthorne
Hedges
are
permeable
bits
get
broken
down.
G
Be
talking
about
something
that
we
weren't,
we
weren't
talking
about.
I
simply
asked
a
question
about
the
DFE
standard.
I
didn't
ask
a
question
about
what
Mr
Butler
did
in
his
youth
entertaining
the
way
it
is
you
know,
then
you
can
climb
over
a
fence.
Quite
frankly,
you
know,
let's
be
realistic,
not
nothing's
impermeable
if
it
was
nobody'd
ever
break
out
of
jail,
yeah.
J
G
J
Not
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
is
it's
a
recommended
standard
to
safeguard
children
at
a
school
and
to
prevent
objects
that
you
wouldn't
necessarily
want
on
the
school
playing
field,
to
be
there,
whether
that
be
born
by
dogs
or
cans
or
bottles
or
whatever?
So
the
answer
is
very
simple:
isn't
it
it
is
the
recommended
standard
and
it
is
throughout
the
the
whole
of
the
city
and
what
I
was
trying
to
answer
was
the
question
about
the
Hedge?
J
The
Hedge
is
not
really
will
not
achieve
the
the
level
of
security
that's
required,
even
if
it's
planted
quite
thickly.
A
Members
do
read
from
page
12.,
you
see
the
outline
of
what
happening
on
the
field
at
the
moment
and
that's
a
terrible
thing
for
young
people
and
is
for
prevention
as
well.
So
it's
all
combined
together.
So
we
need
to
take
things
into
consideration.
We
have
a
duty
of
care
for
our
young
people
at
schools.
We
have
a
duty
of
care
for
the
community
at
the
same
times.
There
is
how
many
times
I've
received
and
the
Telly,
and
only
if
we
detect
percussion
the
school
are
trying
to
take
precaution.
A
E
Sorry,
Chad
I
did
have
a
question,
so
I
have
no
problem
with
with
defense
for
the
safeguarding
reasons.
I
do
believe
that
we
need
to
keep
our
young
people
safe,
but
I
do
believe.
We
need
to
be
fair
and
responsible
to
The
Wider
Community
as
well
in
other
parts
of
the
City
School
playing
fields
are
left
open
evenings
and
weekends
and
I
know.
E
There's
a
community
use
in
place
a
community
use
order
in
place
at
this
school,
but
like
this
morning,
when
we
went
it,
it
was
raining
and
you
you
know
like
it's
half
term,
so
the
children
would
be
inside,
but
then
it
dried
up
so
this
afternoon
you
know
the
children
might
want
to
go
and
play
on
those
fields.
E
So
I
would
suggest
if
there
was
any
way
possible
of
having
those
fields,
open
evenings
and
weekends.
Just
just
for
Community
use
and
I
understand
that
some
of
the
problems
that
this
school
have
been
encountering
have
been
to
do
with
littering
and
dog
fouling
and,
and
things
like
that,
but
I
didn't
see
a
waste
been
anywhere
near.
So
if
it
were
the
case,
could
it
be
that
we
put
some
waste
bins
there
and
and
at
least
trialled
it
so
that
the
community,
if
they
used
it
respectfully,
could
continue
to
use
it
evenings
and
weekends.
F
Thank
you,
chair
excellent
set
of
discussions
this
afternoon
on
this.
This
one
item,
as
a
recovering
former
plan
share
chair
I,
have
a
theory
that
no
matter
what
the
the
first
item
is,
it
always
lasts
about
an
hour
so
given
with
about
a
10
minute
Preamble,
but
we
all
do
introductions
and
everything
I
think
this
one
will
probably
lasted
just
about
an
hour.
F
An
interesting
observation
for
us
planning,
Geeks,
so
first
of
all,
I'd
just
like
to
to
thank
councilor
Eleanor
Thompson
for
referring
to
this
panel,
so
that
her
constituents
could
see
these
this
deliberations
in
the
in
in
this
detail
and
to
add
that
extra
layer
of
transparency
to
the
planning
process.
That's
all
to
the
good.
Some
of
the
contributions
this
afternoon
would
perhaps
have
led
any
observers
to
think
the
school
was
proposing
to
build
the
black
Gates
of
Mordor
rather
than
a
standard
2.5
meter,
green
painted,
Pence
and
I.
F
Don't
genuinely
think
it
will
massively
affect
the
climate
emergency
or
the
hydrographical
conditions
of
that
that
that
field
and
I
often
say
chair
that
my
decisions
are
often
absolutely
yes
and
absolutely
no
and
there's
a
point
in
the
Middle
where
you
cross
over
I,
do
have
to
say,
though
chair
when
you
read
section
9
of
the
report
that
looks
at
what
the
issues
that
the
school
is
facing
and
they
did
their
justification
for
wanting
this
fence.
This
is
possibly
one
of
the
most
open
and
Shop
Planet
applications.
F
I've
seen
come
before
any
of
the
panels,
panels
I've
set
on
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
So
for
me
it's
it's!
It's
it's
a
hard!
Yes
to
this
planning
application
safeguarding's
got
to
come
first.
Clearly
the
school
doesn't
want
to
put
the
local
community
out.
We
saw
that
from
the
head
and
from
a
planning
agent.
Clearly
they
don't
want
to
do
that,
but
they
absolutely
have
to
meet
their
safeguarding
responsibility.
So
I'd
like
to
move
the
recommendations.
A
I
That's
fine.
It's
recorded
that
Council
water
has
moved
made
a
motion
for
the
officer
recommendation
to
approve
which
has
been
seconded
chair.
You
may
continue
with
and
revisit
the
motion
right
right.
Absolutely.
F
F
The
one
of
my
main
things
around
this
is
the
the
littering
and
the
dog
fouling.
If
the
gates
are
open,
they're
littering
in
the
dog
failing
will
just
continue
and
I
don't
want
to
see
members
of
Staff
of
a
school
having
to
go
on
a
litter
pick
and
pooper
scoop
before
they
can.
Let
the
the
kids
out
onto
the
fields
and
I'd
most
definitely
do
not
want
to
sin.
I
hope.
F
Nobody
on
this
panel
wants
to
see
a
child
pick
up
talks
or
Carrier
toxocariasis,
which
I
believe
can
cause
blindness,
and
none
of
us
want
to
see
that
I'm
in
my
Rugby
playing
days,
I
was
injured
by
a
glass
on
a
pitch.
I
got
a
badly
cut
wrist
because
of
it.
So
it
happens.
You
sometimes
can't
see
these
things.
F
We've
heard
mention
of
just
replacing
it
with
a
hedge.
Well,
there
has
to
be
Brakes
in
that
to
allow
maintenance
equipment
in
and
out.
So
what
do
you
do
with
those
breaks?
F
This
has
five
it.
It
maintains
the
foot
path
around.
It
has
gates
in
it
to
allow
that
maintenance.
It
keeps
the
school
safe.
It
keeps
pupils
safe
and,
as
it
says,
there's
pupils
with
scnd
and
if
anybody
knows
anything
about
children,
especially
if
they're
on
the
autistic
Spectrum
or
other
social
emotional
behavior
issues
they
can
just
take
flight
and
have
a
hedge
will
not
stop
them
as
Mr
Butler
alluded.
You
know
people
go
through
hedges
and
the
kids
will
do
that.
E
To
me,
thank
you,
chair
I,
don't
think
anybody's
got
a
problem
with
defense
for
safeguarding
reasons.
As
I've
already
said,
I
would
just
like
to
make
a
comment
regarding
something
that
Nigel
said
at
the
beginning.
He
suggested
that
the
letter
from
the
Ward
members,
Alderson
and
Wadsworth
was
a
late
submission.
It
wasn't.
It
was
just
a
further
submission
if
you
read
in
paragraphs
three
and
four,
they
had
already
referred
it
to
panel
and
made
their
comments
so
I'd
just
like
that
to
be
put
on
record,
it
wasn't
a
late
submission.
A
You
councilor
Campbell.
G
And
I
appreciate,
not
everybody
can
do
that
and
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
when
I
looked
at
the
papers
read
through
them,
as
you
say,
so
it's
an
open
and
short
case.
Why?
Why
would
you?
Why
would
you
even
think
about
saying,
there's
a
safeguarding
issue,
but
it
doesn't
matter.
G
G
So,
if
I'm,
honest
with
you,
I
was
slightly
surprised
why
it
actually
came
to
panel
but
I
appreciate,
there's,
there's
some
depth
of
feeling
in
the
community
and
I
think
it's
also
fair
to
say
that
when
we
were
on
site-
and
you
look
at
the
site
itself,
you
would
say
it
to
yourself.
Actually
is
this
the
best
solution
and
that's
the
question
I
think
we're
asking
are
we
trying
to
ask
is:
is
what
they're
proposing
the
best
solution
to
do
what
they
want
to
do
now?
Had
you
been
on
site
this
morning?
G
Unfortunately,
you
weren't,
you
would
have
seen
what's
actually
on
the
ground,
and
so
let's
talk
about
I
think
it's
the
west
side
where
there's
a
wall
and
it
goes
onto
Bradford
Road
that
that
height
between
the
ground
level,
the
school
playing
field
level
and
the
wall,
the
top
of
the
wall
is
two
meters,
almost
exactly
the
same
as
the
fence
they're
going
to
put
behind
it
now
effectively.
That's
a
double
wall.
G
G
Why
do
you
need
to
do
this?
Why
do
you
need
to?
Why
do
you
need
to
create
an
extra
fence
and
then
we're
on
about
the
Hedge
and
I?
Think
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that,
had
you
been
on
site
and
seen
the
Hedge,
you
wouldn't
be
talking
about
pushing
through
it
quite
frankly,
because
you
couldn't
possibly
do
that
and
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
those
of
us
on
site
thought
to
ourselves.
Actually,
this
hedge
is
currently
currently
forming
a
very
effective
barrier.
G
Okay,
now
there
are.
There
are
parts
of
that
site,
the
north
of
the
site,
for
example,
where
it's
an
open
area
takes
you
out
into
effectively
I
assume
it's
more
public
Green
Space
without
a
doubt
that
needs
fencing
without
a
doubt,
and
certainly
the
area
around
the
public,
footpath
I
would
say,
needs
fencing.
G
You
know,
I
I
I,
do
sympathize
with
the
schools,
as
the
next
teacher
I've
had
to
do
it
myself,
I
mean
to
go
out
onto
the
playing
field
and
pick
up
dog
mess
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
recognize
that
fact
and
so
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
wrong
with
the
principle
of
securing
these
Playing
Fields
I.
Think
the
question
I'm
asking
and
the
reason
I
have
some
difficulty
voting
for
this
is
not
because
it's
do
it.
G
H
None
of
us
have
suggested
that
any
fencing
be
removed
from
any
side
that
has
an
an
access
for
mechanical
vehicles
or
to
enable
anyone
to
access
the
site
so
that
the
only
way
we're
talking
about
here,
if
we
just
confirmed
that
and
then
the
final
one
is
the
point
that
my
colleagues
made
in
their
letter
about
access
and
you
read
out
the
community
access
agreement
that
was
there.
Can
we
dispute
that
in
as
a
condition
as
well
that
that's
going
to
be
the
standard?
H
J
Yeah
but
check
check,
that's
just
I
think
just
come
back
to
this
I
think
there's
only
two
accesses
for
cutting
machinery
and
the
kids
does
not
three
I
think
there's
only
two
okay,
but
no.
The
the
community
community
use
agreement
already
exists
and
covers
the
playing
fields.
It
doesn't
need
to
be
attached,
in
any
stretch,
your
imagination
to
this
fence
application.
It
exists
that
the
playing
fields
that
we're
talking
around
as
a
community
use
agreement
already
in
existence.
It
does
not
need
to
be
conditioned.
J
H
H
But
can
the
school
alter
that
agreement
at
some
time
in
the
future
if
the
sole
determined
for
very
good
and
genuine
reasons,
but
very
good
and
genuine
reasons?
Not
you
know
that
something
occurs.
Something
occurs
during.
Let's
say
something
occurred
during
the
weekend
period
when
you
say
that
Community,
which
can
be
they
may
say.
Well,
we
don't
want
it
used.
Then
we
might
not
want
to
use
during
school
holiday.
J
Chair,
if
I
can
just
finish
off
sorry,
no,
they
couldn't
change
it
unilaterally.
They
would
have
to
come
back
with
a
further
submission
if
they
should
want
to
change
it.
Anything
ultimately
can
be
changed,
but
the
simple
matter
of
fact
is
that
is
already
in
existence
that
works
with
the
the
the
Reconstruction
of
the
school,
the
rebuild
of
the
school
unilaterally.
The
school
cannot
change
it.
They
would
have
to
come
back
for
further
permissions
through
ourselves.
J
I
D
D
I
Assist
and
this
agreement
is
already
controlled
legally
through
a
condition
that
relates
to
a
different
consent
which
has
been
implemented
and
can
be
enforced.
The
agreement
specifically
deals
with
variation
by
agreement,
but
with
all
the
parties
that
are
subject
to
signatory
to
that
agreement,
it
cannot
be
done
unilaterally
and
it
must
be
done
in
writing.
It
cannot
be
assigned
not
either.
I
So
there
is
some
legal
mechanism
within
that
agreement
to
ensure
that
that
safeguarded,
councilor
Anderson
and
it
would
be
inappropriate
and
not
be
the
legal
test
to
try
and
recondition
it
through
a
perimeter
fence
application
and
it's
already
covered
through
illegal
condition.
So
you
wouldn't
duplicate
that
process.
I
H
A
Yeah,
maybe
that
maybe
they
wasn't
aware
of
Forgotten
pulse
no
counselor
Anderson
is
done
clarified
now,
there's
nothing
more
can
be
done
it's
there
and
it
cannot
change
overnight
or
next
year
without
coming
back.
So
your
work
colleague,
maybe
forgot
about
it,
we
won't
know
Nikki
won't
know,
is
only
them
can
answer
that
question
and
you
know
how
I
am
with
others
answering
questions
on
the
behalf
of
others.
You
don't
know
colleague,
so
counselor.
D
Reagan
the
name
is
yeah.
The
issue
is,
with
this
community
use
agreement,
because
the
playing
fields
have
been
left
open
for
so
so
long.
There
hasn't
been
a
need
to
use
the
community
agreement
only
for
access
to
the
school.
Once
this
fence
is
erected,
then
they
will
have
to
use
the
community
agreement
to
access
outside.
But
that's
not
that's
not
saying
that
you
have
to
put
that
in
agreement,
because
that's
already
there
just.
B
A
G
I
You
can
Council
Campbell.
You
can
propose
an
amendment
to
the
original
motion
so
as
you
wish,
what
the
amendment
is,
if
you
could,
let
members
learn.
G
Can
I
propose,
therefore,
that
we
amend
the
motion
to
read
something
along
the
lines
of
panel
accepts
the
need
for
the
school's
need
to
provide
a
secure
environment,
particularly
around
the
playing
fields,
and
accepts
the
school's
need
to
form
some
to
produce
some
form
of
physical
barrier
fence
or
otherwise
around
those
playing
fields.
G
Panel,
however,
believes
that,
in
particular
in
relation
to
the
is
it
the
northern
boundary
with
the
wall.
I'm
sorry
help
me
out
the
western
boundary.
Thank
you,
the
western
boundary,
and
what
presumably,
is
this
harsh
part
of
the
southern
boundary?
There
is
a
more
appropriate
treatment
with
regard
to
Security
in
particularly
in
relation
to
improvements
to
the
Hedge
line
and
recognizing
the
wall.
The
wall,
on
the
western
extent,
already
provides
a
secure
barrier.
I
I'm
gonna
have
to
give
some
legal
advice.
Now
the
original
motion
has
been
amended
in
the
on
the
points
that
councilor
Campbell
has
sought.
Counselor
Anderson
is
seconded
that
now
it's
referred
to
the
original
person
that
has
moved
the
motion
for
approval
as
to
whether
you
accept
that
or
not
as
an
amendment.
F
No
because
I
think
it
negates
the
purpose
of
the
wall
at
the
fencing
for
the
school
I
think
it
it
fails
in
safeguarding
as
councilor
Bowden
was
probably
about
to
suggest
I
myself
could
Vault
that
wall
to
get
access
to
the
school
grounds.
It's
an
insufficient
barrier
chair
is
what
we're
saying
so
I
don't
take
care
of
that
as
an
amendment
no.
I
Okay
on
that
basis,
then
you
make
you
can
take
a
vote
on
the
amendment
that
councilor
Campbell
has
made
if
that
falls,
and
you
go
back
to
the
original
motion.
G
I
D
The
council
also
did
say
it,
but
in
the
sort
of
on
the
on
the
pictures
that
were
displayed
before,
whilst
it's
two,
whilst
that
defense
is
kind
of
two
meters
in
height
from
the
playing
field
going
on
Google
Maps
street
view
from
the
public
side,
it's
the
same
height
as
a
bin,
and
so
it
isn't
just
a
safety.
It's
a
it's.
It's
the
same
high
as
a
as
a
as
a
as
a
bin
is
outside.
It's
not
it's,
not
a
meter
high
from
the
public,
so
it
isn't
just
a
safety
feature
there.