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A
Well,
good
afternoon,
everyone
and
welcome
to
this
meeting
of
the
north
and
east
plans
panel.
My
name
is
councillor
caroline
gruen
and
I'll
be
chairing
today's
meeting.
A
The
north
and
east
plans
panel
deals
with
applications
from
the
north,
east
and
east
of
the
city.
The
aim
of
the
panel
is
to
hear
all
the
relevant
information
from
applicants.
Members
of
the
public
and
council
officers
to
help
members
of
the
panel
make
their
decision,
and
before
I
begin,
could
I
inform
members
that
the
health
and
safety
guidance
we've
received
from
council
officers
recommends
that
meetings
should
be
concluded
within
90
minutes.
A
So
whilst
I
do
not
suggest
that
we
curtail
debate,
could
I
ask
members
to
just
bear
this
in
mind
when
we
come
to
discuss
the
substantive
item
on
the
agenda
and
a
final
reminder,
even
though
this
is
our
second
meeting
in
person,
you
will
have
to
actually
raise
your
proper
hand
if
you
wish
to
speak,
and
could
I
now
invite
members
and
officers
to
introduce
themselves
and
then
mute
your
microphone
when
you've
done
that.
A
So
I
have
already
introduced
myself
if
we
could
go
to
my
left,
councillor,
nash,
first
and
then
round
the
table.
Please.
C
Councillor
sharon
hamilton
I'm
subbing
today
for
councillor
flynn
and
I
represent.
Meanwhile,
the
motown
ward.
B
Thank
you,
chair
under
agenda
item
one.
There
are
no
appeals
against
the
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents.
Two
there
are
no
items
which
require
the
exclusion
of
the
press
or
the
public
item.
Three.
There
are
no
late
items
of
business
agenda
item
four.
Could
I
ask
members
to
declare
any
disclosable
cunara.
A
Interests
yes,
councilman.
B
Thank
you
chair.
I
have
a
non-pecuniary
interest
in
item
seven
on
the
agenda
regarding
the
change
of
use
for
hopewell
mill,
I'm
actually
one
of
the
ward
councillors
for
that
area
and
as
one
of
the
councils
have
put
an
objection
in
for
that
application.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
That's
been
noted
and
received.
Does
councilman
mitchell
have
to
actually
leave
the
room,
or
can
she
be
here
during
the
debate?
Please
debbie.
A
B
A
Could
I
first
of
all
thank
those
councillors
for
substituting
this
afternoon.
It
is
an
extra
job
for
you
and
I
appreciate
the
fact
it's
quite
a
lengthy
one
too.
Thank
you.
So
if
I
take
item
six
next,
which
is
the
minutes
of
the
last
meeting-
and
I
will
take
both
accuracy
and
matters
arising
together,
starting
on
page
five
of
your
packs
as
the
first
page
page,
five.
B
A
A
10
and
the
final
page,
page
11.
and
I
haven't
seen
any
indications
so
can
I
take
that
as
an
accurate
record?
Please
thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
we
can
proceed
to
item
numbers
item
number,
eight
change
of
use
of
the
light
industrial
office
and
con
construction
of
the
two-story
front
and
first
floor
extensions.
A
A
A
D
D
Just
before
we
go
into
the
presentation,
I
think
I'll,
just
if,
if
I
could
draw
members
attention
to
page
26
and
I'll
just
talk
through
a
couple
of
their
local
landmarks
because
they're
a
reference
both
in
the
report
and
also
the
representations,
so
the
the
site
is
centered
there
in
the
it's
identified,
and
you
can
see
that
hopewell
tele
terrace
itself
is
a
is
a
cul-de-sac.
This
is
sort
of
the
the
sort
of
only
commercial
use
really
within
that
particular
cul-de-sac.
D
The
rest
are
residential
and
you
can
just
see
to
the
west
is
kippak's
methale,
methodist
church
and
that's
accessed
off
chapel
lane.
So
it's
separate
and
then
beyond.
That
is
saint
mary's
church,
which
is
the
grade.
One
listed
building
they're
not
shown
on
the
plan,
but
there's
actually
quite
a
significant
tree
screen
in
between
the
saint
mary's
church
and
the
methodist
church.
So
you'll
see
from
the
report.
D
D
So
just
moving
on
to
the
presentation
proper
as
it
were,
can
we
have
the
first
slide?
Please
toby.
So
this
is
the
the
site
plan
and
you
can
see
on
the
the
plan
to
the
left.
Essentially,
those
are
the
existing
buildings
and
they're
in
the
u-shape
and
they're
towards
the
end
of
the
cul-de-sac.
D
Unusually,
it
looks
on
plan
form
like
the
the
curtilage
extends
into
the
road
and
you'll
see
some
photos
about
that,
but
it's
it
is
actually
within
the
applicants
ownership.
So
that's
that
red
line
boundary
is
correct.
It
just
looks
slightly
strange
and
that's
confirmed
by
the
photos.
D
Can
we
have
the
next
slide?
Please
so
that's
a
view
looking
back
down,
hopewell
terrace
and
towards
the
high
street,
so
you
can
see
the
co-op
just
in
the
distance
there.
You
can
pick
up
those
double
yellow
lines.
So
it's
quite
a
quite
a
tight
narrow
access
into
the
cul-de-sac,
but
it's
protected
by
yellow
lines.
Currently
next
slide
please.
D
I
think
the
boundary
treatments
now
actually
a
higher
timber
fence
and
that's
picked
up
in
one
of
the
later
photographs.
Next
slide,
please.
D
So
if
you
were
just
looking
at
your
plan,
20
page
27
and
just
to
reference,
the
particular
views
here
really
because
it's
relevant
to
the
neighbouring
properties,
so
the
the
photograph
on
the
the
left-hand
side
is
actually
taken
from
the
direction
of
number
17..
So
you
can
just
see
that
it's
largely
a
gable
blank
gable
there.
There
is
one
window
facing
towards
number
17,
but
it's
it's
it's
over
the
front
garden
area
and
in
terms
of
the
what
that
window
would
be
used
for
in
the
conversion.
D
It
just
serves
a
landing
area
and
the
photograph
on
the
right
hand,
side
is
number
21
and
just
on
the
plan
that
you're
looking
at
in
terms
of
the
papers-
and
it
doesn't
really
show
that
actually
number
21
has
been
extended
right,
the
way
up
to
the
boundary
and
so
there's
so
it's
it's
actually
adjoining
that
property
now,
but
the
rendered
gable
end
is,
is
essentially
faces
towards
number
21,
so
those
are
two
fairly
important
views.
D
So
these
are
views
from
the
rear
which
is
chapel
lane,
and
you
can
just
pick
out
on
the
the
top
picture
towards
the
left.
There's
a
bit
of
the
car
park
that
and
that
serves
the
the
methodist
church,
but
there
you're
again.
You
can
pick
up
the
fact
that
it's
a
range
of
two-story
and
single-story
buildings,
buildings,
there's,
there's
various
opens
openings
that
will
be
reintroduced
next
slide.
Please.
D
So
this
plan
really
just
picks
out
the
the
layout
within
the
site.
You
can.
You
can
see
that
there's
six
parking
spaces
there,
including
the
disabled
bay,
there's
a
service
waiting
area
and
there's
a
small
outdoor
terraced
area,
and
the
next
slide
should
show
more
in
more
detail
the
actual
floor
plans.
So
next
slide,
please
so
in
terms
of
the
floor.
D
Plans
on
the
left-hand
side
of
that
picture
are
mostly
the
communal
room
and
rooms
in
terms
of
kitchen,
dining,
lounge
type
area,
meeting
space
and
some
backer
house
office,
accommodation
and
staff,
room,
etc,
and
then
the
rest
of
the
floor
is
given
over
to
bedrooms.
D
So
you
should
be
able
to
pick
out.
Each
bedroom
has
its
own
ensuite
facility
and
they've
all
got
access
to
what
at
least
one
window
and
so
natural
light
and
ventilation
etc.
D
And
it's
a
similar
layout
on
the
first
floor
next
slide,
please
toby
and
the
the
exception
being
it's
exclusively
residential
accommodation,
so
rooms
purely
it's
bedrooms
on
this
particular
floor
and
also
to
note
there
is
a
lift
serving
all
the
floors
and
then
there's
one
more
floor
next
slide.
Please,
and
that
just
serves
a
meeting
room
meeting
space.
D
Next
slide,
please
so
in
terms
of
plans-
and
this
is
the
front
elevation,
the
top
top
image
is
the
main
image
the
one
below
is
just
a
section
through
it,
and
so
the
I
I
guess
the
the
thing
to
point
out
on
that
particular
one
is
that
the
central
area
is
essentially
that
single
story
at
the
moment,
and
that
would
be
built
up
to
two
story
and
then,
where
there's
a
large
format,
opening
window
on
the
ground
floor
and
sort
of
bifolding
doors
type
arrangement.
D
D
So
again
that
just
highlights
really
in
in
the
top
plan
and
that
that
elevation
broadly
stays
the
same
and
the
bit
that's
grayed
out
that
is
currently
single
story
goes
to
two
story,
but
that's
where
number
21
itself
is
already
and
the
image
below
is
within
the
central
courtyard,
so
that
picks
up
on
the
the
dormer
and
the
alterations
proposed
to
the
fenestration
of
the
property.
There
are
actually
some
existing
archways
and
the
proposal
is
to
reinstate
them
next
slide,
please.
D
So
this
is
an
image
back
from
number
17
this
time.
So
the
the
bottom
image
is
the
one
that
faces
towards
number
17.
D
So
again,
it's
just
the
one
window
in
the
side
which
is
existing
and
that
would
just
serve
a
landing
and
it's
forward
to
the
main
house.
So
we
don't
think
there's
any
necessarily
any
overlooking
issues
there
next
slide.
Please-
and
this
is
just
an
image
from
chapel
lane
to
the
rear,
and
essentially
it
shows
that
there
would
be
additional
openings
relative
to
those
currently
in
the
building,
but
they
face
towards
the
methodist
church
or
mostly
its
car
park.
D
D
So
this
is
just
an
image
as
existing.
So
again
you
can
pick
out
the
sort
of
form
of
the
development
there
and
next
slide.
Please
and
again,
that's
existing
just
from
a
different
angle,
and
the
proposals
are
now
coming
up
next
slide.
D
D
Just
in
terms
of
updates
for
the
report,
we
have
received
one
additional
representation
from
a
from
a
resident.
D
It
does
raise
similar
issues
that
have
been
flagged
already,
but
this
is
a
new
neighbor
comment,
so
I
will
just
briefly
highlight
again:
it
references
the
availability
of
alcohol
nearby
and
also
the
junior
school
and
suggests
that
is
that
attention,
bearing
in
mind
the
nature
of
the
use
proposed,
considers
the
building
would
be
better
used
as
a
youth
center
and
also
suggests
that
there's
been
various
issues
with
the
alleyways
in
the
area
and
where
people
are
being
mugged
and
the
the
concern
being
that
this
will
only
add
to
that
problem.
D
There's
there
have
also
been
additional
highway
comments
received,
responding
in
part
to
some
of
the
representations
that
have
been
received
so
it
it
is
now
proposed
to
introduce
a
further
condition
relating
to
the
control
of
onsite
on
street
parking
details
to
be
submitted
and
approved
by
the
council.
D
So
we
are
recommending
a
further
condition
and
you'll
see
from
the
representations.
There's
there's
quite
a
few
concerns
flagged
about
parking,
in
particular
the
highlights
from
the
report
very
briefly:
the
use
it's
a
16
bed,
c2
use
and
you'll
see
from
the
site
history
in
2017.
D
Essentially
the
main
difference
between
this
proposal
and
that
that
approved
scheme
is
the
nature
of
the
occupants,
albeit
there's
no
change
in
terms
of
use
and
some
elevational
and
floor
space
changes
in
the
form
of
the
dormer
window
really
and
the
use
of.
As
of
a
second
floor
for
that
meeting,
space
in
terms
of
the
layout
and
design
as
I've
mentioned
it,
it's
largely
the
same
as
the
the
approved
scheme.
That's
been
from
what
we
understand
partly
implemented,
and
it
obviously
goes
for
a
contrast
in
design
in
terms
of
the
new
elements.
D
Highway
issues
have
been
flagged
as
a
concern,
but
highway
officers
consider
the
provision
of
six
spaces
to
be
adequate
and
the
type
of
use
proposed
is
actually
very
low.
Key
relatively
speaking,
and
it's
it
falls
within
the
c
classes.
So
it's
residential
and
highway
officers
are
also
proposing
an
extra
condition
and
in
terms
of
residential
immunity,
which
is
flagged
in
representations,
including
those
by
the
ward
members.
D
We
do
feel
that
it
doesn't
represent
over
development.
The
room
sizes
themselves
are
acceptable
and
they've
all
got
adequate
access
to
natural
light
and
ventilation.
D
There's
a
number
of
communal
rooms
are
proposed,
and-
and
that
includes
some
outdoor
space-
and
we
don't
see
there
being
particular
issues
regarding
privacy
for
the
neighbours
and
so,
although
it's
quite
a
small
cul-de-sac,
separation
distances
still
accord
with
those
in
neighborhoods
for
living.
So
on
that
basis,
we
were
recommending
approval
subject
to
that
additional
condition.
A
Thank
you,
david
and
so
I'll
open
the
debate
by
asking.
If
there
are
any
questions,
members
to
officers,
yeah
I've
got
councillor
anderson
and
then
councillor
lati
and
thank
you.
E
A
E
Number
one,
if
you
take
paragraph
2
on
page
14
of
our
document,
to
begin
with,
to
all
intents
of
purposes,
you're
saying
this
is
the
same.
You
know
that
this
is
per.
You
know
that
under
if
this
wasn't
requested
by
members,
this
is
just
someone
who
was
wanting
to
amend
slightly
an
existing
application.
That's
been
approved,
so
if
you
then
go
on
to
paragraph
three
where
it
states,
it
should,
however,
be
noted
that
the
elevational
treatment
differs
between
the
2017
permission
and
the
current
proposal,
and
accordingly,
this
current
application
is
required.
E
E
If
they
were
to
implement
the
2017
permission,
can
they
just
put
in
a
small
amendment
because
it's
non-material
to
do
what
they're
wanting
to
do
anyway?
That's
question
number
one,
and
secondly,
when
the
2017
was
approved.
Where
are
the
highways
issues
about
the
internal
movements
raised
and
discussed
and
debated
at
that
time?
And
found
to
be
acceptable
when
the
2017
one
was
approved,
because
I
do
have
concerns
about
the
narrowness
of
the
tunnels
movements
within
the.
E
But
if
it's
already
been
approved
in
2017,
then
I
shouldn't
be
arguing
that
point,
because
that's
already
been
agreed
by
plans
panel,
that
that
is
acceptable
and
then
the
final
thing
is.
If
we
were
to
turn
this
down
today
and
they
went
to
appeal,
there
wouldn't
be
many
grounds
to
actually
defend
this
on,
because
we've
got
the
2017
extant
application
and
by
your
own
words
the
changes
that
they're
making
aren't
material.
E
D
Okay,
taking
taking
them
in
order,
I
think
reference
to
non-material
amendments
is
probably
not
the
word
to
use
what
we're
saying
in
in
paragraph
two
or
three
about
the
elevational
changes.
I
think
the
point
we're
saying
is:
they
are
material
and
to
come
back
to
your
general
point.
D
The
issue
is,
they
could
occupy
this
building
through
the
2017
permission
and
with
the
as
a
recovery
center,
and
they
could
potentially
put
in
a
separate
application
for
the
the
changes,
and
I
guess
the
point
is
they
haven't
progressed
that
far
so
they've
just
put
an
application
in
for
everything
again,
so
the
main
changes
do
require
planning
permission
because
it's
a
new
dormer.
It's
quite
a
sizable
there's
an
extra
floor,
so
we
would
say
that
is
material.
D
Moving
on
to
the
highway
issues,
broadly
speaking,
the
layout
both
internally
and
in
terms
of
the
forecourt
area
is
pretty
much
the
same.
I
think
there
may
have
been
seven
parking
spaces
on
the
2017
commission
as
opposed
to
the
eight,
but
it
it
did
include
a
service
waiting
area
and
because
the
issues
that
have
been
flagged
now
accepting
those
that
are
relating
specifically
to
the
recovery
element
of
the
use,
all
the
concerns
about
highways,
parking
being
difficult,
it's
quite
difficult
to
turn,
etc.
D
They
were
all
raised
in
the
2017
permission.
Highway
officers
considered
the
application,
consider
that
you
can
get
in
and
out
of
it
acceptably
and
that
the
level
of
parking
is
required.
D
What
I
would
say
is
they've
probably
gone
a
bit
further
now
on
this
current
application,
with
the
suggestion
that
we
had
an
extra
condition-
and
I
think
in
part,
that
will
hopefully
go
a
bit
further
towards
addressing
the
various
concerns
that
have
been
raised
on
the
last
point
regarding
appeal,
I
think,
ultimately,
members
it's
its
members
decision
how
they
want
to
to
sort
of
run
with
the
application.
D
I
guess
what
what
we're
saying
is
well.
This
is
this
is
very
similar
to
the
2017
application,
both
physically
and
in
terms
of
the
use,
so
that
translates
to
the
impact
being
very
similar
as
well.
So
whilst
members
could,
if
they
were
reminded
to
refuse
the
application,
I
think
the
message
from
officers
is,
we
might
struggle
to
defend
that.
I
I
say
no
more
than
that,
but
obviously
we
would
we
would
seek
to
if
that
was
the
decision.
A
You're
happy
with
those
answers.
Okay,
I've
just
got
one
practical
question
to
follow
up
on
council
anderson's
query
before
I
bring
other
members
in
I've,
never
or
in
my
experience
very
very,
very
few
residents.
If
any
of
elderly
care
homes
drive,
is
that
circumstance
likely
to
be
changed
under
the
current
proposal
for
residents.
D
From
from
the
information
in
terms
of
assessing
this
application,
and
and
in
light
of
the
representations
that
have
been
received
specifically
about
parking,
etc,
we
did
ask
for
additional
information
about
staffing
numbers
and
and
how
the
the
use
would
would
sort
of
operate
from
the
information
we've
received
back.
D
The
suggestion
is,
essentially,
it
will
only
be
staff
that
are
there
that
are
parking
and-
and
I
I
guess-
and
it's
mentioned
in
the
report-
with
a
care
home
use,
you
do
often
get
potentially
visitors,
whereas
the
indication
on
this
particular
type
of
uses-
and
that
doesn't
necessarily
happen,
and
if
it
does
happen,
it's
by
exception,
through
prior
arrangement
and
in
part.
The
reason
for
the
extra
condition
would
be
to
look
into
those
arrangements
to
put
put
measures
in
place
to
make
sure
that
on-street
parking
didn't
become
a
particular
difficulty.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chairman.
Looking
at
the
the
map,
the
drawing
on
page
27,
the
the
car
park
appears
to
have
the
one
gate
for
both
pedestrian
and
vehicle
entrance.
I
just
wonder
whether
that
is
a
particularly
safe
way
of
accessing
the
the
car
parking
and
the
you
say
that
in
actual
fact,
the
the
extent
of
the
red
line
is
is
on
the
the
owners
of
the
property
it's
their
their
anyway.
E
That
is
their
boundary
anyway,
but
is
it
necessary
now
they
demonstrated
it's
necessary
to
go
out
that
far
because,
when
we're
narrowing
the
the
cul-de-sac
by
half
its
width
at
the
top
end,
I
just
wonder
whether
that
is
acceptable
in
in
in
your
terms
and
and
have
highways
not
commented
on
that
at
all,
because
it
does
look
to
me,
it
doesn't
look
a
safe
or
a
good
way
of
doing
things.
D
Yeah
toby,
could
you
go
roll
back?
Some
of
the
photos
please?
Oh,
I
haven't
got
the
numbers
in
front
of
me.
If
you
roll
back
to
the
one
that
shows
the
front
of
it'll,
be
one
of
the
first
photographs.
D
Yeah,
so
just
just
coming
back
to
your
point,
councillor
latte,
you
can
see
from
that
the
the
bottom
photograph
that
was
historically
there's
been
it's.
D
It's
all
been
bollarded
off
already,
and
so
the
the
narrowing
of
the
road
is
a
historic
matter,
and
it
does
look
quite
strange
on
plan
form,
but
in
in
the
actual
cul-de-sac
it's
been
like
that
for
for
many
many
years,
and
so
in
that
context,
and
understandably
the
applica,
the
applicant
is
looking
to
utilize
all
of
their
land
and-
and
I
guess
it's
this
conflict
between
they-
they
also
want
to
provide
adequate
parking
for
their
own
use.
D
So
if
you
were
to
lose
some
of
that
space,
you
would
lose
some
of
their
parking.
You'd
also
lose
some
of
their
external
sort
of
terrorist
area,
which
has
been
flagged
as
a
as
an
issue
from
the
ward
members
in
terms
of
there
not
being
enough
external
space.
So
in
that
context
we
hadn't
sought
to
reduce
the
size
of
the
applicant's
site,
as
it
were,
for
the
benefit
of
the
wider
residence,
because
it's
an
existing
situation.
D
Yes,
it's
tight,
but
it
you
know,
that's
the
that's
the
reality
already.
So
in
terms
of
the
gate,
I
think
the
details
that
are
shown
on
the
plan
are
fully
helpful
in
that
respect,
because
what
what
we
are
proposing
to
do
is
and
the
images
the
3d
images
suggest
that
there's
a
wall
all
the
way
around
that
particular
area
now
actually
wouldn't
then
be
able
to
get
to
access
those
parking
spaces.
D
So
the
condition
that
we're
recommending
as
part
of
the
the
recommendation,
which
is
number
five,
would
look
to
ensure
that
the
access
gates
etc
are
in
a
sensible
place.
It
was
sorry
was
the
concern
about
where
the
the
main
entrance
to
the
building
is.
E
No,
it
was
just
that
pedestrians
and
vehicles
share
one
one
gated
entrance.
It
would
have
seemed
to
be
more
sensible
to
have
separate
access
to
pedestrians.
D
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
the
reality
is
on
this
particular
site
in
the
context
of
utilizing
existing
buildings
and
everything
being
quite
tight,
there
isn't
enough
space
to
to
provide
a
separate
one.
So
it's
I
guess
it's
the
same
in
in
many
car
parks
and
supermarket
car
parks
that
pedestrians
just
have
to
be.
D
Mindful
of
that,
I
guess
when
you
look
at
the
use,
it's
it's
going
to
be
staff
parking
and
the
visitors,
and
the
suggestion
is
that
there
won't
really
be
that
many
visitors
and
I
guess
the
vehicle
movements
associated
with
staff
shouldn't
be
that
significant
in
their
own
right.
A
A
H
Yeah,
I
was
just
I
was
just
speaking
with
the
client.
I
mean
we'd
be
more
than
happy
to
provide
a
separate
pedestrian
access.
If,
if
you
know,
if
you
thought
that
was
necessary,
no
problem
and
regarding
the
cul-de-sac,
that's
the
actual
boundary
of
the
site
and
the
buildings
have
been
there
approximately
75
years
longer
than
the
cul-de-sac.
The
cul-de-sac
was
actually
built
sort
of
around
the
site,
hence
its
peculiar
sort
of
shape,
so,
but
that
they
are
the
site
boundaries,
yeah.
A
B
Yes,
I
just
want
to
have
a
few
confirmations.
Some
of
my
questions
have
already
been
covered
by
others.
I'd
like
to
say,
we
have
a
similar
facility
in
my
ward,
which
is
in
the
middle
of
a
residential
area,
and
I'm
not
aware
of
any
problems
that
have
ever
arisen
as
a
result
of
that,
and
it
is
a
residential
area
where
there
are
children,
there's
a
nearby
school,
etc,
very,
very
similar,
and
indeed,
there's
quite
high
concentration
of
parking
as
well.
B
B
I've
read
with
interest
the
profile
of
who
goes
to
the
such
a
facility
and
the
that
the
fact
that
they
go
there
voluntarily-
and
I
just
want
to
ask
whether
there
is
in
fact
any
record
of
such
facilities
causing
problems
in
neighborhoods
that
we're
aware
of
or
whether
this
is
a
fear
that
is
perhaps
unfounded.
A
D
In
all
honesty,
I'm
not
I'm
not
sure.
I
really
can
elaborate.
I'm
not
aware
of
there
being
many
of
these
facilities
in
in
the
sort
of
area
and
and
off
the
back
of
that.
I've
not
also
heard
of
any
particular
problems,
and
so
I'm
sorry,
I'm
not
able
to
sort
of
shed
more
light
on
that
really.
A
There
is
a
reference
in
the
report.
I
think
that
says
that
there
is
no
correlation
between
provisions
of
this
kind
and
crime,
certainly
that.
F
Thank
you
chair.
I've
got
quite
a
lot
of
questions,
largely
because
I
think
the
report
is
a
bit
thin
on
detail,
so
I
don't
know
if
you'd
like
me
to
ask
them
all
or
go
through
them.
F
Okay,
well,
first
of
all,
with
regard
to
the
planning
history
on
page
15.,
it
would
be
helpful
and
if
we
could
note
this
for
future
reports,
we
usually
have
some
dates
on
it,
so
that
we
can,
because
I'm
from
I'm
deducing
from
the
report,
the
flow
of
things
but
beautiful
to
know
the
dates
of
the
planning
history
and
if
we
know
why
those
things
haven't
been
enacted
and
as
part
of
that
question,
I'd
also
be
interested
to
know
what
originally
the
buildings
were
and
what
they
were
for.
Originally.
D
D
I
think
the
situation
on
this
particular
one
is
it's
such
an
old
building
that
it
predates
planning
records,
so
the
the
I
I
guess,
the
nature
of
the
uses
that
have
taken
place
over
the
years
fall
more
into
the
the
sort
of
industrial,
whether
it's
sort
of
dirty
industrial,
more
light
industrial,
we're
not
entirely
sure,
but
we've
we've
always
attributed
it
to
a
an
industrial
with
with
an
element
of
officers
from
the
most
recent
activity.
D
F
Okay,
can
I
ask
if
the
applicant
is
the
same
for
each
of
these
applications
on
the
planning
history.
F
Thank
you,
and
then
I
was
hoping.
I
don't
know
if
you're
in
a
position
to
explain
it,
I'd
like
to
understand
how
the
unit
would
work
in
practice.
F
So
I'm
assuming
that
there's
a
lot
of
assumptions
in
here
and
a
lot
of
things
which
are
based
on
an
understanding
but
I'd
like
to
know,
given
the
tight
nature
of
the
site
and
the
access
to
it,
specifics
about
how
it
will
work.
So
I'm
assuming
it's
not
a
secure
unit,
so
people
can
come
and
go
as
they
please
I'm
assuming
they
could
have
a
visitor
if
they
wanted.
It
says
it
should
be
by
prior
agreement.
But
how
does
that
work
in
practice?
F
Does
staff
stay
on
site
overnight,
or
is
it
just
residents
and
then
how?
How
do
they
access
is
it?
Is
it
policed
when
people
come
and
go
and
so
on?
How
long
do
residents
typically
typically
stay
in
the
facility?
Is
it
quite
a
lot
of
churn?
Is
it
for
days,
weeks,
months
and
so
on,
and
then
linked
to
that
concern
I
have
is:
there
seems
to
be
a
real
lack
of
amenity
for
the
residents
if
you're
coming
to
it's
called
a
recovery
center.
F
Where
do
they
go
for
exercise,
recreation,
there's,
no
garden
or
anything
for
them
to
it,
looks
like
the
the
intention
is:
they'll
spend
their
time
in
their
room
and
in
communal
areas
in
the
building.
So
there's
quite
a
few
there.
I've
still
got
a
couple
more,
but
if
you
could
come
back
on
those
things,
please.
A
David
you're
welcome
to
tackle
that,
but
we
do
have
the
applicant
here
as
well.
Who
may
may
wish
to
give
more
detail
on
that.
So
if
the
applicant
would
like
to
come
forward,
mr
fernley
yeah,
would
you
like
to
come
forward
to
the
the
same
seat
that
your
colleague
took
and
and
david?
If
you
want
to
start
yeah.
D
I
I
was
going
to
suggest
that
it
a
number
of
those
particular
questions,
perhaps
more
for
the
applicant
in
terms
of
day-to-day
running,
just
on
on
the
point
of
sort
of
the
immunity
space.
D
It's
true
that,
yes,
there's
not
a
great
deal
of
of
space
in
terms
of
communal
rooms,
etc,
and
but
there
are
I,
I
guess,
they're
more
generous
than
the
care
home
use
and
proposal,
because
it's
largely
the
same
same
layout.
And
but
there
is
also
a
relatively
modest
external
sort
of
terrorist
area.
I
Good
afternoon
so
my
name's
simon
fernley,
I
am
the
applicant
and
I
was
actually
the
previous
applicant
for
the
residential
care
home
as
well.
Although
noted
I
decided
to
change
use
of
this
basically
because
I
am
myself
a
recovering
alcoholic
and
it's
a
cause.
It's
very
close
to
my
heart.
Is
this
the
answer
to
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
were
raised
there.
I
We
do
have
organized
supervised
walks
whereby,
on
a
lunch
time
after
lunch,
we
do
take
people
out
as
a
group
which
is
supervised
regarding
the
policing
of
it
yeah.
We
we
don't
actually
have
staff,
that's
live
there,
but
we
do
have
a
constant,
24-hour
staff
rotation
whereby,
through
the
day,
obviously
this
counselor's
in
as
well
as
the
managers
etc
and
then
on
an
evening
it
swaps
over
and
we
have
a
full
staffing
level
on
it
as
well.
A
I
think
there
was
one
about
how
frequently
the
the
stays
of
the
people
who
so.
I
It's
difficult
to
say
that,
because
recovery
is
based
on
yourself,
indeed,
some
people
will
only
stay
a
minimum
of
a
fortnight.
Other
people
may
be
there
up
to
three
months
depending
on
indeed
how
they
recover.
You
know
we
have
no
way
of
saying
how
well
people
and
how
quickly
people
will
recover
it'd
be
great.
If
we
could
get
everything
on
a
two-week
period
and
wait,
imagine
wandering
they
were
repaired
and
back
out
again,
but
unfortunately
it
doesn't
work
that
way,
so
the
the
length
of
the
state
he's
he's
based
on
everyone's
own
individual
recovery.
I
Regarding
the
visitation
I
know
I
was
mentioned
previously,
which
is
an
a
non-visitors
policy.
Basically,
we
have
once
a
week
on
a
sunday
afternoon
where
we
will
allow
people
to
come
and
collect
their
loved
ones
if
they
want
etc
and
spend
some
time
with
them
and
then
they'll
be
returned
to
the
facility.
It
is
an
open
door
policy,
we're
not
going
to
lock
people
in
it's,
not
a
prison,
but
the
golden
rule
in
all
rehabs,
and
indeed
the
one
I
intended
is.
I
If
you
wish
to
leave
that
facility
and
walk
out
the
front
door,
you
will
not
be
admitted
back
in
again
as
part
of
the
recovery
program.
We
have
to
monitor
who's
going
frequently
in
an
hour
and
due
to
the
fact
that
people
you
know,
could
be
picking
up
alcohol
indeed
they're
all
tested
when
they
come
back
in
again
to
make
sure
they've
not
been
drunken
or
anything
else.
F
Yeah,
no
that's
but
that's
very
helpful.
Thank
you
I
I
was
kind
of
wanting
to
under
while
you're
there.
I
wonder
if
you
can
help
a
little
bit
with
the
with
the
history
and
just
understanding
why
the
previous
consents
haven't
been
enacted
over
the.
I
Residential
yeah
on
the
residential
care
home
and
well
basically,
we
got
the
planning
through
for
the
residential
care
home
and
we
looked
into
starting
it
and
unfortunately,
that's
when
I
personally
as
the
applicant
and
the
guy
that
was
going
to
be
building
it
all
and
ended
up
down
the
path
of
alcohol.
So
unfortunately
it
never
got
pushed
forward
on
that
on
that
lines
and
then,
when
I
ended
up
in
recovery,
that's
undecided
to
sort
of
change
the
use
of
it
to
something
that
was
better
suited
for
the
current
situation
of
alcoholism.
Really.
F
I
So
no,
we
will
we're
running
it
ourselves,
based
on
using
a
structure
of
people
now
which
we've
managed
to
get
on
board
through
different
counselling,
private
counsellors
and
people
in
this
industry
who
were
indeed
in
previous
rehab
centers
and
that
so
we're
building
a
structure
and
I'll
be.
It
will
be
our
concern.
I
personally
won't
be
running
it.
No
I'd
like
to
be
involved
in
it,
but
we'll
be
putting
the
correct
staffing
to
actually
run
the
center
and
make
sure
that
it's
done
correctly.
F
I
do
have
another
one
on
that.
Sorry,
are
you
satisfied
about
the
viability
of
it
where
how
does
the?
How
does
the
finances
stack
up.
I
Yeah,
we've
done
all
the
research
into
that
and
the
finances
do
stack
up
on
it
I'll
be
like
we
said
before
it,
it
it
smalled
the
facility
and
put
something
in
place
to
help
people
that's
closer
to
my
heart
really
and
indeed
we'd
like
the
building
to
be.
You
know
to
be
used
for
something
like
this,
so
it's,
but
it
does
stack
up.
It
will
pay
for
itself
without
a
doubt
here:
okay,.
C
Right
thanks,
my
my
question
is
regarding
the
latest
objection
that
mentioned
the
alleyway
and
mugging.
I
was
just
asking:
will
it
be
fully
lit
and
will
there
be
sort
of
cctv
there,
probably
not
in
the
alleyway
itself,
but
be
picked
picked
up
from
from
the
the
building
to
address
that
issue?
So
I'd
like
that
to
be
addressed,
please
and
then
I'd
just
like
to
say
that
there
is
a
unit
like
this
in
middleton
for
women
and
it's
in
an
estate.
C
I've
visited
it
and
it's
exactly
like
you
explained.
They
don't
have
visitors.
C
However,
on
sunday,
if
it's
a
range,
their
loved
ones
can
come
and
take
them
out
and
bring
them
back
and
they're
all
on
a
time
etc,
and
yes
peop
they
are
allowed
to
leave
and
if
they
leave
of
their
own
free
will
they're
not
allowed
to
come
back,
but
there's
been
brilliant
stories
from
there,
a
young
lady
being
an
alcoholic
from
from
the
age
of
14
to
21,
and
now
she
has
done
a
phd
and
gone
on
so
some
wonderful
stories
from
there.
I
D
I'll
just
make
some
initial
comments
and
then
maybe
the
applicant
could
add,
and
the
the
representation
doesn't
say
which
alleyway
and
it
talks
about
plural.
So
it
seems
to
be
suggesting
a
wider
issue,
so
it
couldn't
necessarily
be
pinned
down
to
a
particular
alleyway.
The
way
I
took
it
was
that
clearly,
it
couldn't
be
hope
well
terrorist,
because
that's
a
cul-de-sac
and
I
wouldn't
necessarily
refer
to
chapel
lane
as
an
alleyway,
there
are
alleyways
to
the
north
that
serve
the
school
and
etcetera.
D
It
may
be
those
particular
areas
in
in
terms
of
the
the
proposal
and
there's
certainly
no
sort
of
functional
link
with
with
church
sorry,
church,
chapel
lane
and
the
main
entrance
is
on
on
the
cul-de-sac,
so
we're
not
necessarily
seeking
additional
measures,
but
it
may
be
that
the
cctv
serving
the
actual
use
itself.
I
Yeah,
so
I
was
a
little
bit
confused
myself
from
the
dimension
alleyways,
because
there
is
no
alleyways
around
where,
where
we're
building
it,
there
is
indeed
a
walkway
which
goes
through
down
to
an
estate
around
off
the
top
of
church
lane,
but
that's
at
chapel
in
sorry,
that's
nothing
to
do
with
ours.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Are
there
any
more
questions,
so
I've
got
council
lamb
and
councillor
garthwaite
councillor
lam.
B
You,
yes,
I'd
echo.
What
councillor
hamilton
has
just
said
about
the
good
results
that
are
often
found
from
such
facilities,
but
I
was
wondering
what
how
you
expect
the
demand
to
be.
Is
there
a
lot
of
demand
for
facilities
like
this,
or
might
there
be
a
danger
that
you
would
open
and
then
find
that
the
accommodation
is
lying
empty
and
and
it
would
all.
I
Fail
so
obviously
we've
done
extensive
market
research
into
this
factor,
and
indeed
there
is
a
document
that's
been
produced,
which
was
on
the
portal,
which
shows
the
demand
at
the
moment
for
this
current
pandemic
effect
of
the
alcoholism,
which
you
know
is
right
for
the
moment.
So
we
have
no
issues
about
having
people
in
the
rooms
the
building
certainly
won't
become
vacant.
F
Yep,
sorry,
I
I
meant
to
ask
that
I
wanted
to
ask
about
the
construction
process
and
access
given
the
nature
of
the
site
and
quite
how
that's
going
to
be
managed
and
what
conditions
can
be
put
in
place
to
make
sure
that
it's
not
overly
disruptive
to
the
residents.
D
Yeah
as
as
as
part
of
the
recommendation-
and
I
appreciate
it's
only
headlines
but
condition,
six
would
relates
to
construction
hours.
So
typically,
we
would
say
eight
o'clock
till
possibly
five
six
o'clock
weekdays
half
a
day
saturday
is
is
fairly
typical
in
a
residential
area
and
condition
number
seven.
F
So
how
can
we
ensure
that
works
in
practice
because
I've
been
victim,
as
I
suspect
many
around
the
table
have
of
such
conditions
where
construction
shouldn't
start
before
eight?
But
that
means
the
deliveries
are
sat
on
the
street
waiting
at
seven
o'clock,
with
their
engines
running
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
So
how
can
we
make
sure
it's
actually
enforced
and
also
we
haven't
touched
on
climate
emergency,
which
doesn't
feature
in
the
in
the
report
and
what
the
building
is
going
to
do
to
make
sure
it's
meeting
its
its
carbon
reduction
targets.
D
Yeah
I
mean
the
reality,
is
it
does
just
become
an
enforcement
matter.
We
can
agree
the
details
and
then
it's
for
applicants
to
comply
with
those
details
and
ultimately,
if
they
don't
comply
and
the
compliance
team
would
get
involved
and
there
are
measures,
including
temporary,
stop
notices,
etc.
That
can
be
served
in
in
serious
situations.
D
So
you
know
we
couldn't
not
put
a
condition
on
because
we're
worried
that
they
won't
comply
with
the
with
the
requirements
of
the
condition
that
that
would
sort
of
not
be
appropriate.
We
just
we
just
rely
on
applicants,
saying
they'll
do
what
they
they've
signed
up
to
do
and
if
they
don't,
we
then
have
the
recourse
of
enforcement
action
and,
in
terms
of
sorry,
your
second
point
was
climate
emergency.
D
Sorry
yeah
in
in
terms
of
the
scale
of
this
particular
proposal,
it
doesn't
fall
within
the
major
category
and
so
the
the
en
policies
technically
don't
bite.
D
I
guess
what
you
would
say
in
terms
of
the
the
context
of
the
application,
though
it's
a
reuse
of
a
historic
building,
and
so
there's
carbon
savings
to
be
made
in
that
respect
and
going
back
and
to
the
original
proposal
and
apologies,
I
I
sort
of
misrepresented
that
it
wasn't
the
applicant
because,
sorry,
I
didn't
remember,
the
applicant
was
involved
with
the
previous
scheme.
D
D
So
I
guess,
as
as
part
of
that,
there
are
some
sustainable
credentials
that
go
with
that
as
well.
I
don't
know
if
there's
anything
specific,
that
the
applicants
intending
to
do
on
other
measures,
but
the
the
policies
don't
necessarily
formally
bite
because
of
the
the
scale
of
the
building.
I
Yes,
actually
I
do
so
we
looked
at
this
as
a
job
on
the
whole
and
we
what
you
just
said
there
we
looked,
and
we
said
how
we're
going
to
construct
this.
How
is
this
going
to
work
in?
Obviously,
such
a
tight
access
area?
Navier,
one
of
the
major
things
is
the
building
itself,
as
you
said,
is
retaining
its
foundation
as
a
building.
So
it's
effectively
a
refurbishment
with
some
new
roofing
bits
going
on
it
and
we
have
an
electrical
contracting
business
which
is
not
far
from
this
in
the
same
village
as
kippah.
I
So
what
is
what
we're
going
to
do
with
it
is
to
get
all
the
goods
delivered,
direct
to
our
premises
at
the
electrical
contracting,
and
we
have
a
smaller
transport
vehicle,
then
a
flatbed
which
we
will
take
the
goods
up
to
the
yard
as
and
when
required,
so
that
there
are
no
deliveries
going
direct
to
this
project.
We
will
transport
them
in
very
much
as
we
need
up
there,
so
it
will
just
be
one
vehicle.
A
Thank
you,
councillor
sharpe.
B
Thanks
chair
my
questions
to
mr
furley.
Okay,
your
vision
of
use
of
the
unit.
Do
you
feel
that
the
outside
relaxing
space
is
big
enough
for
16
residents.
I
I
feel
that
it
will
never
ever
have
16
residents
sat
in
it
through
my
history
of
rehab,
and
indeed
a
lot
of
friends
of
mine
who've
been
in
different
rehabs.
There
will
never
actually
be
16.
People
sat
out
there
once
because
people
within
different
parts
of
the
building,
it's
it's
an
unfortunate
thing
in
recovery.
That
was
a
lot
of
sleeping
involved.
There's
a
lot
of
counselling.
You
won't
ever
really
get
16
people
sat
on
there,
the
facility
that
was,
I
was
in
hell
22.
I
I
think-
and
I
don't
think
we're
more
than
four
or
five
people
out
at
once,
because
people
are
in
there
in
different
stages
of
recovery.
Some
people
in
there
initially
that
are
going
through.
You
know
a
drug
program
to
get
them
off
the
alcohol,
some
of
them
at
the
end
of
it
going
out
or
something
so
to
a
degree.
They'll
never
be
that
people,
but
indeed
there
will
be
seating
for
16
people
if
they
need
to
go
sit
out
there.
A
B
B
So
I've
I've
no
worries
at
all
about
this
facility
being
provided
in
a
residential
area,
except
that,
as
I
said,
I
think
the
access
is
very
tight
but,
as
has
been
explained,
and
as
it
is
written
in
the
report,
planning
permission
has
already
been
given
for
a
care
home
which
would
have
more
vehicles
attending
and
probably
the
a
much
greater
need
for
garden
space.
B
So
I
I
think
we
are
in
a
cleft
stick
here,
as
planning
permission
has
already
been
given
for
a
similar
facility.
I
think
we've
no
alternative,
but
to
approve
this
today.
A
Are
you
proposing
the
recommendation,
counselor
nash,
or
indeed
would
anyone
like
to
counsel?
I
did
see
council
lamb's
indication
first
for
a
comment
and
then
I'll
come
straight
to
you.
Councillor
garthwaite.
F
Yeah,
well,
I
think
my
like,
I
have
no
concerns
to
echo
others
about
the
use
of
and
the
purpose,
but
I
have
some
concerns
about
the
design
layout
that
the
two
principal
issues
for
me
are
the
highways
issues
and
accessing
the
building
and
the
amenity
for
for
residents
on
site,
which
I
just
don't
think
is
sufficient
how
those
things
can
be
resolved.
F
I
don't
know
like
counsellor
nash,
I
can't
see
any
planning
reason
really
for
us
to
refuse
the
application
today,
but
I
do
wonder
if
there's
scope
to
to
try
and
allay
some
of
the
residents,
fears
and
concerns.
I
have
about
that
lack
of
amenity
and
really
making
sure
there
isn't
a
conflict
with
the
rest
of
the
traffic
movements
on
the
street.
The
access
just
looks
tight
to
me.
A
C
I
I'd
like
mr
bailey's
possible.
H
Are
we
on
yeah
yeah?
I
mean
in
terms
of
the
highways
we've
had
sort
of
extensive
sort
of
negotiations
with
the
highways,
for
it
seems,
like
years
literally
now,
sort
of
going
backwards
and
forwards.
Looking
at
the
provision
of
what
we
need
on
there,
the
highways
officers
satisfied
with
it
and
there's
further
conditions
suggested
for
sort
of
you
know
putting
double
yellows
down
the
down
the
street.
You
know
it
is
a
tight
site.
It's
an
urban
site,
you
know
it's
as
as
big
as
it
is.
It
has
adequate
parking.
H
It's
got
adequate
service
provisions.
It's
just.
I
think
it's
just
one
of
those
sites
where
it
where
it
is
tight,
but
it's
adequately
tight
as
to
what
else
we
could
do.
You
know
I'm
not
quite
sure
really,
but
you
know
we've.
We
have
satisfying
sort
of
highways
with
those
details
again
in
terms
of
amenity,
as
simon
alluded
to
the
amenity
is
adequate
and
you
know
as
again
assignment
suggested.
You
know,
clients
can
still
go
off-site,
so
they
can
still,
you
know,
go
visit,
parks
or
whatever,
as
well
under
sort
of
supervision.
H
So
you
know
there's
this
again.
There's
there's
more
than
sort
of
adequate
immunity
space
there.
Really!
I
I
guess
the
question
sort
of
back
to
you
really
as
to
what
do
you
think
extra
we
would
we
would
need
to
do.
A
David's
asked
to
come
in
so
I
I'll
ask
you
to
come
in
at
this
point
david.
If
you
would.
G
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
chad.
I
just
wanted
to
just
picking
up
on
council
lamb's
point.
I
think
really
my
understanding.
One
of
the
main
objections
from
local
residents
is
really
to
do
with
the
the
highways
implications
and
the
nature
of
the
road
and
the
potential
business
of
the
facility.
That's
proposed.
G
I'm
just
wanted
to
my
members.
Of
course,
we
we
are
suggesting
an
additional
condition
about
details
of
a
scheme
to
control
on-street
parking
which
will
be
in
respect
of
a
management
plan
for
visitors
coming
to
coming
to
the
site
and
how
the
car
park
is
managed
and
how
access
is
managed
and
also
picking
up
on
councillor
lati's
point
we'll
go
back.
Also.
Looking
at
the
applicants
made
a
commitment
about
separate
pedestrian
access
into
site
to
avoid
conflict
between
vehicles
and
pedestrians
when
they're
entering
the
site.
G
So
I
think
members,
if
you
regard
it
in
in
that
context.
Yes,
it
is
constrained
site,
there's
limited
amount
that
we
can
do.
It
is
what
it
is
in
terms
of
the
immunity
space
and
we've
heard
from
the
applicant
and
from
the
architect
on
that
on
that
point
that
they
both
consider.
It's
adequate
to
serve
the
needs
and
it
is
very
similar
to
the
2017
or
2018
planning
permission.
A
A
But,
as
we've
all
said,
it
has
already
been
approved
on
a
previous
application
and
therefore
to
turn
it
down
now
would
would
seem
rather
futile
and,
from
my
personal
view,
weighing
its
function
against
those
disadvantages.
A
A
Do
I
have
a
secondary
at
all,
I'm
happy
to
second
chair.
Thank
you
very
much
council
hamilton,
so
we
can
now
actually
vote
rather
than
go
around
in
a
circle.
All
of
those
in
favor
of
the
recommendation.
Please.
A
A
Thank
you
very
much
indeed.
Thank
you.
Folks,
that's
passed
and
done
david.
Would
you
like
to
summarise.
A
Thank
you
very
much
indeed,
and
in
view
of
the
time
I
think
we'll
move
straight
on
see
if
I
can
get
the
item
number
right,
this
time
to
item
eight,
the
conservatory
which,
just
to
remind
people,
I
know
you've
read
the
report
is
here
simply
because
it
would
have
been
dealt
with
under
delegation
and
but
it
happens
to
be
the
property
of
a
member
of
our
staff.
G
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
chair.
Yes,
it's
it's!
Actually,
two
members
of
staff
lisa
and
tim
hart,
one
employed
in
our
compliance
section,
one
employed
in
our
city
center
team.
G
This
major
awesome
comment
in
terms
of
the
quality
of
the
plans,
I'm
just
about
to
show
you.
But,
as
the
chair
has
explained,
this
is
from
an
officer
perspective,
it's
a
very
straightforward
proposal.
It
would
ordinarily
be
granted
or
granted
and
doubt
planning
permission
under
delegated
authority.
That
is
because
it
complies
with
our
planning
policies
and
the
guidance
set
out
in
the
household
of
design
guide.
G
It
is
an
application
they're
replacing
an
existing
conservatory
and
putting
up
a
single
story.
Extension
in
its
place.
It's
a
semi-detached
house.
If
we
could
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
toby,
there's
the
location
plan.
You
can
just
see
the
site
outlined
in
red
at
the
top
of
the
plan
there
next
plan,
please
toby!
Thank
you
very
much.
G
If
you
look
on
the
left
hand
side
of
that
slide
as
you
look
at
it,
that's
the
existing
situation,
the
the
property
we're
talking,
because
it
shows
the
whole
or
both
pairs
or
both
parts
of
the
semi-attached
is
that
that
bit
to
the
right
hand,
side
as
it
were,
where
the
details
shown
on
the
conservatory
and
then
on
the
right
hand,
side,
you've
got
the
proposal,
so
you
can
see
it's
broadly
similar
in
in
in
terms
of
its
height
and
its
width
and
its
its
footprint
is
almost
identical
to
the
existing
conservatory.
G
It's
the
plans,
don't
necessarily
show
this,
but
it
is
a
brick
dwelling,
and
the
proposal
is
that
the
extension
will
be
built
in
matching
materials.
Next
slide.
Please
toby.
These
just
show
the
various
elevations
again
the
left
hand.
Side
of
the
slide
shows
the
existing
position
and
the
right
hand
side
shows
the
proposed
position
next
slide.
Please
toby!
G
You'll,
see
the
application
site,
there's
a
red
dot
with
45
plane
tree
craft
identified
there.
You
can
see
two
conservatories
coming
off
the
back
of
the
pair
of
semi-detached
houses
there,
the
one
that
we're
concerned
with
is
the
more
rectangular
one
and
it
comes
up
slightly
lighter
color
and
the
darker
one,
with
the
hexagonal
roof
form,
is
the
conservatory
of
the
neighboring
property.
G
Next
slide,
please
toby!
This
is
the
the
front
of
the
property,
the
property,
our
property,
as
it
were,
is
the
one
to
the
left-hand
side.
You
see
the
white
door
there
and
extends
further
left
to
where
the
white
garage
door
is
the
bay
window
to
the
right
of
the
white
door,
and
the
first
floor
window
above
is
part
of
the
neighboring
property.
G
Next
slide,
please
toby!
So
here
we
just
see
the
rear.
The
main
form
main
focus
of
that
photo
is
the
existing
conservatory
which
would
come
down,
and
you
can
see
the
neighboring
conservatory
of
the
blinds
in
the
window
just
to
the
left
and
the
far
side
of
that
timber
fence.
G
Conservatory
looking
out
across
to
the
detached
neighbouring
property
to
towards
number
43
and
there
you
can
see
you
see
it
looks
across
through
the
fence
into
the
middle
part
as
it
turns
out
of
their
of
their
rear
garden.
I
suppose
it's
a
point
to
note
that
when
you
look
at
the
elevations,
you
compare
the
conservatory
to
the
proposed
single
story.
Extension
both
have
glazing
facing
this
way,
so
there's
no
real
change
in
terms
of
overlooking
it's.
It's
almost
maintaining
the
status
quo.
G
Next
plea
slide,
please
toby,
and
then
there
we
are
talking
about
glazing.
There's
of
the
the
glazing
in
question.
So
that's
the
conservatory
as
it
exists
at
the
present
time,
and
I
think
that's
the
end
of
the
presentation.
G
Yes,
so
if
we
could
just
go
back
in
terms
of
the
slides
just
to
say
it's
a
three
meter
depth
projection,
that's
accords
with
our
household
design
guide.
We
don't
have
any
objections
from
any
of
the
neighboring
residents.
G
Ordinarily,
this
may
well
actually
have
been
constituted
permitted
development,
but
there
is
a
condition
on
the
original
planning
permission
for
the
whole
of
this
state,
which
has
taken
away
those
permitted
development
rights.
So
that's
why
we've
got
the
application
in
front
of
us.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Chair.
A
My
comment
is
that
I,
I
can't
see
any
harm
in
this
application
whatsoever
and
it's
it's
only
slightly
different
from
what
exists
there.
So
I'm
looking
to
colleagues
to
propose
the
recommendation.
A
G
Thank
you
very
much
planning
permission
granted
in
accordance
with
the
conditions.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
indeed,
and
that
does
bring
us
to
the
end
of
our
agenda.
15
minutes
ahead
of
time,
which
is
great.
Thank
you
all
very
much
for
coming
in
person,
and
it's
been
very
nice
to
see
you
all
in
the
flesh.
Thank
you
very
much
and
see
you
next
time
and
thank
you
again
to
colleagues
for
substituting.
B
Chair,
can
we
just
make
a
note
of
the
date
and
time
of
the
next
meeting?
Yes,.