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A
C
B
Thank
you,
john,
and
can
I
firstly
welcome
members
of
the
public
who
have
tuned
into
our
webcast
hope
you
enjoy
it
today.
We
shall
see
good
afternoon
everyone
and
welcome
to
this
remote
meeting
of
city
plans
panel.
My
name
is
counselor
jim
mckenna
and
I
will
be
chairing
today's
meeting
city
plans
panel
deal
with
applications
from
the
city
center,
as
well
as
the
largest
and
most
significant
applications
the
council
receive.
B
B
I
would
like
to
start
the
meeting
today
by
confirming
that
this
meeting
of
the
city
plans
panel
meets
the
requirement
of
the
council's
constitution.
Even
though
members
of
the
panel
are
in
remote
attendance,
while
items
today
will
be
fully
discussed
as
usual,
remote
attendants
require
a
few
slight
changes
as
to
how
I
will
manage
the
debate.
B
B
B
B
B
Councillor
al
garthwaite
has
given
her
apologies.
I
understand
so
I'll
move
on
from
that
councillor.
Caroline
groon.
I
Afternoon,
elizabeth
nash,
hunslet
and
riverside
ward-
I
nearly
said
city
and
hunslet,
because
the
area
we're
discussing
this
afternoon
was
part
of
my
award
18
months
ago.
J
B
Chris
briggs,
the
applicant
officer,
is
not
present,
but
I
believe
he's
looking
in
on
us.
Moving
on
steve
varley.
A
K
Afternoon,
everyone
matt
hill's
legal
officer
and,
in
the
event
that.
M
Sorry,
chair
no
nikki's
nikki's
not
present
at
today's
meeting.
It's
philippa
plum
tree
valley,
who
is
my
reserve.
B
Thank
you,
philip.
Can
I
say
that
the
sound
quality
was
very
poor,
so
hopefully
there's
no
loss
of
connectivity
from
mats
unless
it
can
be
improved.
A
C
B
Thank
you.
I
understand,
there's
no
substitution,
for
it
is
that
correct,
no
substitute
chair.
Thank
you.
Moving
on
then,
to
item
six
minutes
of
the
previous
meeting
held
on
the
22nd
of
october.
Do
members
ex?
Oh
sorry,
I
I'm
jumping
ahead
myself.
Can
we
go
through
it
in
the
usual
way,
please
stopping
on
the
appropriate
page
when
we
get
organized.
B
C
Sure,
if
I,
if
I
may
ask
you
commission,
under
people
present
at
the
last
meeting,
I
think
mr
mark
burgess
was
probably
present
and
I
would
like
to
say
a
few
words
about
mark
who,
obviously,
since
we
last
met,
has
retired
from
the
council
and
as
we
know,
a
number
of
officers
have
been
put
in
a
position
where
they've
had
to
leave
very
quickly
and
all
of
us
on
panel
know
mark
well.
C
I
worked
very
closely
with
mark
when
I
was
the
executive
member
for
planning,
and
I
think
his
contribution
to
us
over
the
years
cannot
be
underestimated.
C
He
brought
real
flair
and
architectural
innovation
and
design
and
was
always,
I
think,
very
supportive
of
members
on
this
panel,
no
matter
who
they
were
or
which
party
they
represented,
and
I
think
he'll
be
a
a
great
loss
and
I'm
sure
chair.
We
wish
him
very
well
if
I've
missed
anybody
else,
perhaps
then
you
or
david
feeney
can
mention
people,
because
I'm
sure
we'd
like
to
record
our
thanks
to
those
people
who
have
retired
very
recently.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
peter.
I
think
we
all
concur
with
that.
Mark
has
been
extremely
helpful
and
extremely
diligent
over
the
years,
and
I
think
it
was
a
great
shame
that
early
leavers
happened
so
quickly
that
we
weren't
able
to
properly
say
goodbye
or
have
a
usual
little
throttles
because
of
covert
19,
but
it
might
be
useful
if
we
do
bring
david
in
at
this
stage.
I
am
aware
that
robert
cochran
has
finished
on
it.
A
Yes,
it
was
regrettable
that
a
number
of
officers
were
in
a
position
where
they
had
to
leave
quickly
for
a
host
of
circumstances,
but
in
terms
of
other
officers,
I'm
sure
members
are
aware
already,
but
just
just
to
remind
you,
there's
also
paul
kendall
in
the
city
center
dm
team
who
worked
alongside
us
for
many
many
years,
tony
clegg,
team
team,
leader,
also
helen
farah,
who
oversaw
the
enforcement
service
and
also
on
the
strategic
planning
side,
lois
louis
pickering,
as
well
as
robin
coughlin
and
then
alongside
mark
in
the
environmental
design
group,
stephen
robson
as
well.
A
So
a
lot
of
experience
and
a
lot
of
conscientious
colleagues
who
have
now
now
moved
on.
So
thank
you
for
your
kind
words
chair
and
members.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
david.
That's
useful
to
bring
that
to
the
attention
of
members,
some
of
them
all
of
them
were
excellent
officers,
but
one
or
two,
I
I
remember,
were
very
fondest.
I
remember
paul,
for
instance,
paul
kendall
when
he
come
as
a
young
planner
all
those
years
ago.
He
was
still
as
cheeky
then,
as
he
was
at
the
finish,
but
a
wonderful
planner.
B
It
might
be
useful
david
if
you
write
to
members
of
panel
and
inform
which
officers
are
likely
to
take
over
their
duties,
so
that
it'll
be
easier
for
making
the
appropriate
contacts.
It's
all
been
very
rushed.
I
know,
and
normally
we'd
have
a
big
lead-in
period
to
this
and
understand
a
bit
better,
but
anything
you
can
do
to
enlighten
us
would
be
most
useful.
E
Could
I
suggest
that
you,
on
behalf
of
the
panel
write
to
the
officers
and
express
our
thanks
for
all
their
service
both
to
the
panel
and
to
leads,
as
you
say,
it's,
it
was
a
bit
unfortunate.
They,
the
the
short
notice,
so
a
lot
of
it,
as
you
say,
a
lot
of
it.
E
B
I
think
that's
an
excellent
idea.
Colin,
that's
I'll
be
privileged
to
do
on
your
behalf,
I'll
make
that
arrangement
with
david,
because
I
need
to
know
the
forwarding
address
and
sustainment
too.
But
yes,
we
can
do
that
and
thank
you
for
recognizing
one
and
all
of
the
excellent
planning
officers
and
the
excellent
services
we
have
received
them
over
these
many
years
and
as
I
say,
it
was
unfortunate
that
all
this
was
pretty
rushed
uncovered.
B
B
Moving
on
then,
can
we
go
through
matters
of
matters
of
rising
on
item
six
starting
page,
seven.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
And
finally,
page
17.,
thank
you
for
that.
Can
I
now
move
on
to
agenda
item
eight
planning
application,
20,
stroke,
02958,
stroke,
fmu,
demolish
of
existing
building
on
rebuilding
student
accommodation.
L
Thank
you
chair,
I'm
not
a
counselor
by
the
way,
but
I'm
sure
it's
just
the
slip
of
the
tongue.
Can
we
have
got
a
slight
three-piece.
L
Thank
you,
the
the
application
before
us
today,
members
is
for
the
demolition
of
existing
buildings
and
the
construction
of
purposeful
student
housing
with
associated
landscaping
and
parking,
and
it's
at
a
site,
that's
known
as
carling
house
and
diamond
house,
which
are
names
for
industrial
premises
on
white
knox
street
shown
in
red
here
on
this
planet
at
the
junction
was
shaped
car
street
south
the
site
is
just
to
the
north
of
the
designated
city
center.
L
It's
it's
a
mixed-use
character
and
I've
got
a
few
slides
which
just
give
a
flavor
of
that
to
follow.
Can
we
go
to
the
next
slide?
Please
plan.
L
We
can,
if
we
can
go
to
the
next
one,
please,
okay,
the
surrounding
area,
as
I
said,
is
a
as
a
mixture
of
character.
It's
got
multi-story
residential
development
along
skinner,
lane
to
the
south
and
lower
rise
light
industrial
and
warehouse
type
buildings
immediately
around
the
site
itself.
L
There's
the
the
army
barracks
to
the
south
side
of
white
rock
street
and
the
aldi
supermarket
is
to
the
east
of
of
regent
street
and
those
streets
are
identified
on
this
plan.
L
The
site
is
currently
made
up
of
two
commercial
buildings
which
are
colored
pink
on
this
plant
and
to
the
north
of
the
site
it's
difficult
to
make
up
here,
but
there's
a
photograph
later
there
is
a
the
the
sheep's
car
beck,
which
is
a
feature
which
runs
through
this
area
and
it
happens
to
run
adjacent
to
the
northern
boundary
of
this
site.
If
we
can
go
into
the
next
slide,
please
plan
this
slide
shows
some
of
the
existing
buildings
in
the
surrounding
area
with
more
modern,
larger
scale.
L
Six
to
eight
story,
residential
developments
along
skinner,
lane
and
and
those
are
shown
in
the
in
the
top
row
photographs
on
the
on
the
bottom
left
and
lowers
older
buildings,
mostly
in
industrial
uses
such
as
falcon
electrical,
which
is
a
bottom
center
photograph
and
the
barracks
which
is
a
large
area,
but
a
low-rise
building
and
that's
bottom-right
photograph
we'll
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please.
L
This
slide
shows
some
of
the
some
photos
of
the
application
site
itself,
starting
at
the
top
left.
For
this,
that's
the
shop
taken
from
falcon
electrical,
which
is
to
the
north
of
the
site
at
the
top
right,
is
the
junction
of
sheep
grove
on
white
block
street
looking
towards
the
site.
The
site
is
on
the
left
of
the
photo
and
the
army
barracks
are
on
on
the
right
of
the
road
at
the
bottom.
L
Left
of
the
slide
is
a
view
of
the
the
site
from
sheepska
street
south
a
main
road
leading
out
of
the
city
center.
The
site
is
in
the
center
with
the
toulette
boards
and,
finally,
the
slide
on
the
right
shows.
Sheepskill
deck,
which
has,
as
I
said
earlier,
is
a
feature
running
through
this
area,
and
this
runs
along
the
northern
boundary
of
the
site.
If
we
go
on
to
the
next
slide,
please.
L
Members
will
recall
that
in
2019
they
approved
a
nine
to
eleven
story,
residential
building
at
the
corner
of
skinner,
lane
and
regent
street,
and
this
this
site
shows
that
building.
So
the
the
top
image
is
a
view
from
the
north
looking
down
regent
street,
at
the
jump
and
the
building
is
shown
at
the
junction
with
skinner
lane.
The
the
bottom
image
shows
the
building,
as
you
would
approach
it
from
skinner
lane
from
from
the
east
going
towards
regent
street.
L
The
development
hasn't
commenced
yet,
but
but
it's
a
relevant
consideration
in
terms
of
the
the
the
transitional
nature
of
the
area
and
the
emerging
context,
from
lower
rise
from
industrial
buildings
to
multi-storey
developments
and
more
mixed
uses,
including
residential
uses.
You
can
go
on
to
the
next
slide.
Please.
L
Moving
to
the
application
proposal
itself,
the
building
would
be
formed
of
two
linked
blocks
with
courtyards
to
the
northern
side
to
court.
Yesterday,
north
side
there
will
be
an
oversale
element
of
the
building
which
oversales
the
vehicle
access
point
in
the
center
of
the
site
shown
centrally
on
this
slide.
L
The
left-hand
courtyard
will
provide
for
a
limited
amount
of
car
parking,
and
the
courtyard
to
the
right
would
provide
a
landscape
to
maintain
space
for
for
residents
facing
the
back
other
than
that.
The
the
the
proposal
is
not
to
have
any
car
parking
to
on-site
to
serve
the
development.
L
The
proposal
would,
however,
include
enhanced
treatments
to
the
adjacent
footwear
there
would
there
will
be
widened
footwear,
minimum
of
three
meters
to
wall
street
frontages.
There
will
be
new
street
trees
planted
to
white,
lock
street
and
sheepska
grove,
and
I've
got
some
more
details
of
that
in
the
presentation.
Come
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please
come.
L
This
slide,
shows
the
eastern
side
of
the
building.
In
more
detail
with
the
landscape
to
maintain
space
in
the
center
and
in
addition,
the
rooftop
of
munchy
space
and
green
roofs
that
will
provide
on
the
top
floor
of
of
the
building,
the
slide
also
shows
the
wide
and
enhanced
pedestrian
environment
to
to
white
dog's
feet
in
a
bit
more
detail.
With
with
the
indicative
tree
planting,
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please
moving
to
the
western
courtyard.
L
This
slide
shows
the
enhanced
footwears
again
to
the
western
end
of
the
site
and
the
layout
of
the
limited
amount
of
on-site
parking.
There
will
be
six
parking
bays,
including
two
accessible
bays
and
all
the
bays
will
be
equipped
with
electrical
vehicle
charging
points
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please
pump
th.
This
slide
shows
the
proposed
off-site
highway
works.
L
So,
in
addition
to
the
the
footwear
widening
which
I
mentioned,
there
would
be
provision
of
11
new
on-street
short
stay
parking
days
under
20
meter,
long
loading,
beer
along
whitehall
street
in
front
of
the
site.
These
these
works
are
all
to
be
delivered
through
a
section
278
highway
agreement.
L
L
Looking
at
the
at
the
ground
floor
layer,
the
main
entrance
and
ground
floor,
communal
lounge
and
facilities,
totally,
some
196
square
meters
would
be
accessed
from
whitelock
street
said
just
to
the
right
of
the
central
access
shown
on
this
slide.
There
will
also
be
a
ground
floor
commercial
unit
located
at
the
the
right
hand,
corner
which
is
the
colored
brown
colored
element
on
on
this
slide.
L
The
applicants
have
sought
for
a
wide
range
of
flexible
uses,
such
as
retail,
cafe
or
employment
uses,
but
members
will
note
from
the
report
that
the
applicants
have
indicated
that
the
unit
is
likely
to
be
an
artist
studio
for
east
street
arts.
We
are
a
local
arts
organization
based
in
the
area,
and
these
street
arts
have
also
written
in
support
of
the
application.
L
This
slide
shows
the
typical
layout
of
the
proposed
studio
and
cluster
flats
they'll
all
be
arranged
along
central
corridors
with
accommodation
either
side
of
the
corridor.
The
slide
shows
the
the
break
in
the
building
formed
by
the
central
underpass.
Continuing
that
first
floor
level,
we'll
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please
the
there
will
be
a
total
of
105
student
flats
comprising
50,
53,
studio,
flats
and
52
cluster
flats.
L
The
cluster
flats
will
be
made
up
of
one
four
bedroom:
cluster
18,
six
bedroom,
cluster
18,
seven
bed
clusters
and
fifteen
eight
bed
clusters.
Cluster
flights,
as
members
will
go
a
number
of
bedrooms
which
are
served
by
a
dedicated
living
and
communal
kitchen
area,
and
that
group,
then
has
those
flats
have
or
the
occupants
of
those
flats
have
access
to
the
more
communal
spaces
elsewhere
in
the
building.
L
We
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please
at
sixth
floor
level,
there
would
be
a
further
122
square
meters
of
communal
space
and
a
rooftop
of
empty
space
for
residents.
This
would
measure
approximately
380
square
meters,
and
it's
indicated
in
the
in
the
green
colored
element
and
based
contentment
to
the
right
hand
of
this
slide.
L
There
will
also
be
a
green
roof
or
improved
surface
water,
runoff
and
a
biodiversity
area,
the
rooftop
biodiversity
area.
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please,
at
seventh
floor
level,
there
would
be
provisional,
rooftop
air
source
heat
pumps,
which
are
indicated
in
blue
on
this
slide
and
solar
panels,
which
I
indicated
in
red.
These
would
be
hidden
from
street
view
by
a
pilot
detail.
L
In
terms
of
the
overall
scale
of
the
building,
the
proposal
is
part
six
and
part
seven
stories
in
height
and
it
will
be
finished
in
two
types
of
red,
brick
and,
and
the
next
few
slides
are
being
shown
to
show
the
scale
of
that
within
the
surrounding
context.
So
the
top
is
the
existing
image
along
sheepsky
grove
and
the
bottom
shows
the
development.
Within
that
context,
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please.
L
The
top
slide
is
the
existing
view
along
north
street.
Looking
northward
and
the
bottom
slide
shows
the
development
appearing
just
above
the
the
industrial
bergo
nashi
building
there
in
grey
in
the
same
view,
what's
the
next
fire,
please.
L
This
view
is
a
long
sheepsky
street
south
coming
into
the
city
center,
and
the
proposed
building
is
shown
in
the
bottom
view,
and
this
would
sit
very
comfortably
against
the
existing
horizon
of
more
city
scale.
Buildings
along
skinner.
There
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please.
L
And
this
is
a
a
closer
view
along
the
same
route,
which
again
shows
the
development
within
the
context
of
the
views
beyond
falcon
electrical.
The
falcon
electrical
building
is
just
in
the
red
brick
building
in
the
center
of
this
flight,
and
the
development
would
be
on
the
other
side
of
the
back
and
its
visual
impact
is
shown
at
the
bottom
there
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please
pan.
L
And
finally,
this
is
a
view
from
the
roundabout,
it's
close
to
the
barracks
and
and
aldi's,
and
it
shows
a
proposed
building
stepping
down
in
scale
towards
sheepskill
street
south.
From
an
officer's
point
of
view,
it's
considered
the
proposed
height
and
massing
would
be
in
keeping
with
the
transition
in
scale
from
the
larger
scale,
residential
development
along
skinner
into
the
south
and
stepping
down
towards
the
lower
rise
buildings
to
the
north
and
go
to
the
next
bike.
L
Please,
in
terms
of
more
close-up
views.
These
are
rendered
images,
giving
an
a
visualization
of
how
the
development
would
appear
along
white,
lock
street,
and
it
shows
the
proposed
enhancements
to
the
footwear,
the
widened,
footwears
and
the
proposed
street
trees,
as
well
as
the
active
frontages
to
be
created
by
the
artist
studio
at
the
corner
of
whitebox
street
and
sheepskin
screen
south
go
to
the
next
one.
Please.
L
L
It
also
shows
the
architectural
detail
and-
and
the
thought
that's
been
given
to
ensuring
that
the
building
doesn't
look
blonde-
that
the
the
sufficient
detailing
around
the
window
reveals
that
there's
a
variety
in
the
window
pattern
and
the
step
down
in
roof
form
is
also
visible
in
this
view
along
white
lock
screen.
L
L
Karen,
I
think
I
may
have
lost
the
connectivity
to
pump,
but
okay,
I
mean
we
move
on
with
our.
L
Yeah
I
mean
in
in
conclusion
from
as
members
would
have
gathered
from
the
report.
The
the
proposals
said
to
be
in
accordance
with
development
plan
policies.
They
will
provide
new
student
housing
within
walking
distance
of
universities,
they're
providing
hunt
street
frontages
and
they
would
regenerate
an
underused
brownfield
site
on
the
north.
Northern
edge
of
the
city
officers
are
recommending
the
proposals
for
approval.
Thank
you,
chair.
B
We
do
have
representatives
available
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
who
will
address
any
questions
that
members
may
have,
and
can
I
say
that
they
will
be
as
far
as
I'm
aware,
david
campbell,
david
lindley,
sarah
cox,
jonathan
yates
and
david
mcmurtry,.
B
So
can
I
welcome
those
people
please,
and
we
shall
see
if
members
need
any
questions
from
them.
Can
I
now
invite
members
to
to
ask
any
questions
that
I
have
by
using
the
blue
hand,.
A
Please
all
right
thanks
thanks
yeah,
I
I
noticed
in
the
report.
It
mentioned
something
from
nature.
Conservancy
about
back
roasting
features
to
be
installed
from
my
own
experience
of
the
things
that's
happened,
that's
been
delayed
in
my
own
world.
Buildings
of
this
nature
tend
to
have
bats,
roasting
them
in
them
already.
A
B
Thank
you,
david
I'll,
bring
dalton
in,
but
maybe
one
of
the
applicants
wants
to
come
in
on
that
point.
Also,
does
it
please.
L
Thank
you
chair.
I
believe
the
reason
we
have
got
condition
to
require
battery
roosting
features
to
be
provided
and
the
reason
is
not
because
we're
losing
any
habitat
as
such
for
the
bats.
At
the
moment,
it's
as
I
said
it's
an
industrial
premises.
It's
because
you've
got
the
back
there
and
and
will
be,
and
the
development
proposes
to
open
up
the
beck
and
provide
some
natural
greenery
in
terms
of
the
courtyard
treatments
and,
as
we
know,
bats
tend
to
use
these
waterways
to
you
know
forage
for
and
so
on.
L
So
it
is
too
it's.
It's
really
been
aware
that
there
is
potential
enhancement
of
biodiversity
here
and
to
to
accommodate
that
where
we
can.
E
Thank
you,
chair,
wonderful
officers.
E
Actually,
I'm
not
100
happy
with
the
the
comment
regarding
bats,
the
type
of
promises
that
are
there
at
the
moment
lend
themselves
to
bat
roosts.
So
I
wonder,
has
there
been
a
bat
survey
and
if
so,
what
did
it
show?
The
second
question
relates
to
cycle
parking.
E
I
don't
know
about
you
chair,
but
the
drawings
on
the
on
the
screen
and
the
ones
we've
been
provided
with
are
really
rather
small,
like
I
can't
work
out
where
the
cycle
parking
might
be,
and
the
third
point
is
in
relation
to
any
proper
ground
floor
activities
normally
they're
just
actually
student
related,
but
it
seems
this.
This
application
seems
to
be
broadening
out
the
use
of
ground
floor
or
the
ground
floor
facilities,
and
I
wonder
if
the
applicant
might
want
to
explain
a
bit
more
about
that.
L
Think
chair,
if
you
may
ask
the
applicant
I'm
well,
I'm
sure
I
don't
have
the
details
to
hand,
but
I'm
sure
they
didn't
confirm
whether
the
bat
survey
was
done
or
not,
and-
and
I
think
the
other
two
in
terms
of
the
question
raised
about
the
the
ground
floor
uses
the
the
communal
areas
for
for
students
are,
as
per
other
student
development
members,
have
seen.
L
They
are
definitely
communicators
for
student,
but
in
this
case
there
would
be
a
standalone
unit
in
the
corn
at
the
corner
of
white
block
street
and
ships
car
street
south,
and
that
will
be
a
com
for
commercial
use.
It's
it's.
The
proposal
is
for
a
flexible
use
of
that
space,
which
will
provide
a
a
a
use
that
the
public
can
can
visit.
L
It's
not
interlinked
internally
to
the
student
use
and
at
this
stage
the
applicants
have
confirmed
that
their
intention-
and
perhaps
they
can
comment
more
on
this-
is
for
e
street
arts
to
occupy
that
unit,
so
that
and
from
a
from
the
planning
policy
point
of
view,
that's
a
perfectly
acceptable
use
in
this
location
and
it
provides
further
activity
to
the
speed,
as
well
as
having
the
communal
areas
at
ground
floor
level,
for
the
student
use
and
in
terms
of
the
cycle
parking
again.
L
B
Thank
you,
belgium.
Can
I
bring
in
a
member
of
the
applicants
who
is
more
suited
to
answer
those
questions,
please,
regarding
bicycles
and
bats,
and
community
space
available
to
students,
please
under
your
hands.
M
I
I'd
be
happy
to
expand
on
those
three
points,
so
I'm
I'm
davis,
I
work
for
alumno
v,
the
developer,
so
in
terms
of
vax,
yes,
the
full
bat
survey
was
carried
out
and
there
was
no
evidence
of
bat
roosting
within
the
existing
buildings.
M
I'd
also
add
that
it
is
conditions
that,
if
the
munition
starts
during
the
bird
about
roosting
season,
that
further
survey
is
carried
out
to
double
check,
we
will
be
providing
additional
bats
and
bird
boxes
and,
in
particular,
we'd
like
to
provide
those
under
the
bridge
where
the
beck
is,
as
it
appears.
That's
where
that's
currently
boosting
in
terms
of
the
recycle
parking,
I'm
not
sure
we
can
bring
up
a
ground
floor
plan
to
talk
through
that.
G
Can
you
just
tell
me
what
plan
number
it
would
be.
B
B
A
M
Okay,
thanks
yeah,
so
I
guess
the
best
way
to
describe
this
is,
if
you
see
the
middle
finger,
so
the
finger
which
is
pointing
towards
sheep
scar
back.
I
don't
know
if
it's
possible
to
move
the
cursor
towards
that,
but
that
is
where
at
ground
floor,
the
recycle
storage.
Just
for
cases,
we've
worked
with
so
a
little
bit
to
the
left
of
that.
We've
worked
obviously
with
blue
city
council
highways
team
in
terms
of
what
type
of
bays
they
would
like.
M
Hopefully
that
answers
your
question
on
the
location
of
the
bicycle,
storage
and
yeah
in
terms
of
the
the
commercial
units
or
the
mixed
use
unit
at
ground
floor.
So
I
mean
we're
we're
really
excited
about
this.
We
we've
we're
working
with
east
street
arts
so,
as
I'm
sure
you're
all
aware,
e
streets
are
a
charitable
artist-led
organization.
M
In
terms
of
where
we
are
with
them,
we've
agreed
drafted
heads
of
terms
and
we've
developed
a
full
brief
and
and
we're
working
on
plan
options
for
them,
they're
interested
in
using
the
space
for
a
ceramic
studio.
So
their
current
ceramics
department
is
in
a
building
which
isn't
really
fit
for
purpose
and
they'd
like
to
move
to
a
new
space,
which
is
so
the
type
of
things
that
this
would
include.
M
It'd
include
a
workshop
area
for
community
engagement
without
exhibition
areas,
and
then
there's
also
be
a
series
of
private
pod-like
studios
for
individuals
to
to
work.
So
we
see
this
as
a
real
positive
for
the
scheme
and
I
think
there'd
be
a
lot
of
community
engagement.
That
would
be
involved
in
particular
evening,
possibly
classes,
for
example,
and
it
could
also
be
that
the
students
get
involved
as
well.
M
They've
written
in
two
letters
of
support
and
they've
come
from
john
wakeman,
who
is
the
the
artistic
director
might
be
worth
just
just
touching?
Also
on
our
cultural
place.
M
Strategy
making
east
street
arts
is
just
one
of
five
different
aspects.
We've
also
got
public
sculpture,
but
we're
looking
to
commission
in
the
main
courtyard
there's
an
empty
plinth
which
is
going
to
be
outside
of
their
east
street
designated
area.
So
that's
going
to
be
for
temporary
sculpture
installations.
So
there's
a
lot
of
potential
there
to
work
with
the
yorkshire,
sculpture,
society
or
opportunities
for
young
and
emerging
artists.
M
M
So
I
mean
look:
we're
really
excited
about
working
with
e
street,
we're
we're
fully
committed
and
with
them.
I
think
it's
a
real
plus
for
the
scheme
and
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
the
students
to
get
involved
with
the
fostering
classes
as
well.
So
hopefully
that
that
answers
your
your
third
question.
B
Oh,
thank
you
david
just
on
the
art
street.
In
my
planning
notes,
it
does
point
out
that
planning
don't
have
the
ability
to
ensure
that
this
happens.
Would
you
be
prepared
to
sign
an
agreement
that
we
will
have
history,
arts
there?
You
know
because
at
the
end
of
the
day
it
sounds
to
me
a
great
idea.
That's
my
personal
opinion,
but
I'd
like
to
know
what's
going
to
happen
and
maybe
not
have
a
a
small
convenience
store
or
something
like
that
in
that
space.
N
Hi
there
chair
it's
david
campbell
here,
I'm
the
managing
director
of
lindo,
I
mean
yeah.
We
would
be
more
than
happy
to
to
sort
of
agree
to
something
along
those
lines,
assuming
that
obviously
street
arts
are
comfortable
with
that
arrangement
as
well,
which
we
believe
they
would
be.
I
would
like
to
add
that
we
have
done
three
projects
elsewhere
in
the
country
where
we've
worked
with
artists
organizations
very
similar
to
street
art,
so
it's
a
model
that
we've
tried
and
tested.
N
B
E
M
I
could
direct
that
question
towards
the
architect,
jonathan
or
david
mercery
who's.
The
transport
consultant.
L
I've
got
the
answer
to
that.
If,
if
it
just
helps
speed
things
up,
please
yeah
it's
it's
in
the
report
and
there's
82
resident
cycle
spaces
to
be
provided
in
that
secure
start
ground
level
and
and
in
addition,
there'll
be
14
shorts.
There
sheffield
stands
to
be
provided
extremely
close
to
the
main
entrance.
K
New
yeah
thanks
jeff
yeah,
I
mean
I've
got
I've
got
a
comment
for
the
comment
section
and
a
lot
of
my
questions
have
been
covered.
Really,
I'm
scribbling
some
notes
and
I've
written
something
and
put
a
squiggly
underline
chair
that
says
attention
to
detail
and
there
is
an
awful
lot
in
this
application,
which
is
very
welcome.
K
So
really
I
mean
all
my
points
have
been
covered,
but
the
bike
parking
does
it
facilitate
the
fingers
crossed
hope
for
coming
e-bike
revolution
in
terms
of
e-bike
charging
points
that
kind
of
thing
for
the
e-bikes
that
need
that
kind
of
charging,
and
you
can
tell
it's
quite
a
comprehensive
application
called
a
detail.
Tech
because
that's
that's.
Basically,
all
I've
got
right
now
in
terms
of
questions,
which
is
a
good
sign.
I
think.
B
Yeah,
okay,
moving
back
to
the
applicants,
maybe
the
architect
can
help
us
with
that.
When
I
or
one
of
the
members
present.
K
I'm
happy
to
chip
in
as
a
transport
consultant.
Yeah
many
electric
bikes
obviously
are
quite
a
new
and
popular
activity.
Nowadays
and
most
electric
bikes
have
a
separate
battery,
that's
taken
apart
and
charged
separately,
which
can
be
done
so
but
acknowledge
that
some
bikes
do
charge
and
require
a
you
know
socket
within
the
cycle
facilities.
K
So
we're
happy
to
provide
sockets
within
the
cycle
shed
and
if
that
needs
to
be
conditioned
as
part
of
the
cycle
parking
condition,
then
that's
absolutely
fine,
but
yes,
yeah,
certainly
we'll
provide
for
that.
K
B
Lovely
thank
you
councillor.
Caroline
groon,
please.
G
Thank
you
chair
just
to
say
that
I
have
turned
my
video
off
because
I'm
having
internet
problems-
and
I
think
the
bandwidth
will
improve.
If
I
do
that.
So
that's
the
reason.
G
Is
there
a
mechanism
by
which
this
will
be
guaranteed
to
happen?
How
will
it
be
monitored?
I'd
also
wondered
if
the
applicants
could
expand
on
policy
en1
and
how
this
development
will
fulfill
the
requirements
of
that
policy.
And
the
third
question
is:
I
wondered
if
ward
members
have
been
consulted
because
I
couldn't
see
reference
to
world
members
in
the
report
unless
I've
missed
it.
B
Okay,
I
think
dolce
can
deal
with,
certainly
ward
members-
that
is
quite
a
lot.
Councillor.
Kaylee
brooks,
has
very
very
much
engaged
in
this
and,
as
opposed
to
number
of
questions
dalton
on
ward
members,
please.
L
Yeah
yeah,
thank
you
chair.
Yes,
we
we,
we
always
consult
ward
members
and,
as
as
the
chair
has
indicated,
councillor
brooks
did
make
comments.
She
actually
made
comments
at
pre-application
stage.
She
didn't
come
back
on
the
formal
application,
I'm
assuming
she
was
happy,
but
her
comments
are
pre-application
are
in
the
report
and
we
believe
the
the
development
addresses
she
didn't
raise
any
concerns
as
such,
but
you
know
addresses
the
comments
that
that
she
she
made
in
terms
of
the
question
about
noise.
L
We
will
be
controlling
those
requirements.
Those
glazing
specifications,
mechanical
ventilation
with
with
with
by
condition
and
it's
something
that
we
do
normally
for
city
center
development,
to
ensure
that
the
recommendations
of
the
noise
report
are
implemented.
B
Yes,
there
was
maybe
back
to
belgium
for
that
one.
L
Yes,
happy
to
come
back,
I'm
just
trying
to
get
to
the
relevant
bit.
It
is
mentioned
in
the
report.
That's.
L
Isn't
it
it's
not
easy
being
this
remotely.
B
K
Hello,
thank
you
chair.
My
name
is
sarah
cox,
I'm
a
planning
agent
for
the
scheme
and
it's
something
we
can
answer
about.
K
Our
approach
to
the
carbon
dioxide
reduction
and
our
sustainability
is
that
the
fact
is
at
the
heart
of
the
project
so
and
it
is
actually
covered
in
the
report
quite
a
lot,
but
we
believe
that
the
the
the
product
has
been
designed
with
a
number
of
low
and
zero
carbon
technologies
at
the
heart
of
it
and
from
when
dowget
went
through
the
scheme
you
can
see
the
the
roof
is
fully
can
accommodate
a
raft
of
various
apparatus
to
future
proof
the
scheme
as
well.
K
So,
for
example,
we
have
the
ability
to
connect
into
the
leeds
pipes
district
heat
network
in
the
facility,
the
co2
heat
pumps
will
be
utilized
to
provide
hot
water
to
the
the
the
building
itself
and
although
we've
got,
we
have
also
got
the
space
for
photovoltaic
panels,
if
required
later
on.
So
we've
got
thermal
insulation
standards
beyond
the
minimum
of
building
regulations.
So
there's
a
raft
of
passive
and
energy
efficient
con.
K
You
know
measures
that
are
built
into
the
scheme
from
from
the
offset
to
allow
it
to
to
meet
the
en1
and
other
sustainable
designer
construction
policies.
So
we
believe
the
scheme
is,
is
complete,
compliant
and
also
future
proof
for
for
future
development,
as
as
we
see
further
measures
come
through
in
leeds,
mostly
the
the
district
heating
network.
M
Chair,
I'm
happy
to
to
expand
a
little
bit
on
the
sustainability
and
energy
side
of
things.
If
you're
happy
for
me
to
do
so,.
M
So
yeah
I
mean,
as
as
sarah
mentions,
sustainability
is
really
actually
the
heart
of
our
project.
It's
something
that
we've
designed
in
from
day
one.
It's
certainly
not
an
afterthought
so
just
to
to
add
a
few
things
to
the
list
that
sarah
mentioned
there.
So
we
will
have
airsource
heat
pumps
and
they're
going
to
be
utilized
in
bedrooms
and
kitchen
and
dining
rooms
to
provide
heating
and
cooling.
M
Sarah
mentioned
that
there's
the
potential
to
connect
in
the
future
to
the
belize
heat
heat
network
district
heat
network
in
the
future
there's
also
co2
pumps,
so
these
are
going
to
be
utilized
to
provide
hot
water
supply
and
these
represent
an
efficient
low
carbon
technology
and
it's
compatible
with
the
uk
trajectory
towards
zero
carbon
buildings
and
just
to
add
a
few
other
measures
that
we
have
in
place.
M
So
in
terms
of
passes
passive
energy
efficiency
measures,
we've
got
improved
thermal
insulation
standards,
and
so
these
are
beyond
the
minimum
building
regulations
and
these
obviously
help
to
reduce
annual
co2
emissions
associated
with
heating.
M
We've
got
predominantly
mechanical
ventilation
and
the
this
will
come
with
heat
recovery,
so
nvhr
and
we're
using
high
thermal
recovery,
recovery,
efficiency
and
low
specific
fan
power.
So
it's
an
enhanced
version
of
nvkr.
M
We've
also
got
fans
and
pumps
specified
at
variable
speeds,
which
helps
reduce
energy
consumption
and
we've,
of
course,
got
high
efficiency
led
lighting.
That's
going
to
be
coupled
with
occupancy
sensing,
so
they're
they're
not
left
on
all
the
time,
which,
of
course
saves
energy
and
in
terms
of
air
leakage,
we're
going
above
and
beyond
building
regulation,
minimum
standards.
So
it's
going
to
be
a
very
tight
tight
building
fabric,
so
we'll
have
less
than
three
meters
cube
per
hour
per
meter
squared
and
to
put
that
into
context
building
regulation.
M
Minimum
standards
are
for
10
meters
squared
per
hour
per
meters
squared.
So
hopefully
that
gives
you
a
general
overview
of
the
vertical
measures
that
we
will
be
implementing
and
there's
a
whole
host
of
other
aspects
to
the
building
as
well.
So,
for
example,
the
development
will
be
car
free
for
students,
so
we'll
be
encouraging
sustainable
transports
and
we've
already
discussed
the
the
burning
back
boxes
in
terms
of
biodiversity.
So
hopefully
that
gives
a
bit
of
a
general
overview
in
terms
of
low
carbon
technology.
E
B
G
I
All
right,
hello,
I
I
have
two
questions.
One
of
the
panel
members
will
know
what
I'm
going
to
ask
about,
but
the
ships
go
back
runs
past
your
site
for
quite
a
little
way.
Would
you
make
a
feature
of
this
back
because
at
the
moment
it's
a
very
sad
affair.
It
just
looks
like
an
open
drain,
so
it
would
be
nice
if
you
could
enhance
it
in
some
way.
I
The
second
question,
of
course,
on
trees.
The
acer
trees
are
fine
as
a
street
tree
with
a
shape
and
and
the
height,
but
the
gleditsia
triocanthus
trees
are
not
straight
trees.
I
I
Nine
you've
got
some
adjacent
to
the
back.
Why
don't
you
plant
weeping
willows
there,
because
I
know
that
it
is
a
flood
zone,
albeit
a
low
risk
flood
zone,
but
it
means
that
the
water
table
is
high,
so
a
weeping
willow
instead
of
the
the
gladicea
that
you
you
have
illustrated,
and
also
on
page
nine
there's
a
little
triangle
of
land
at
the
north
of
the
site
adjacent
to
the
back.
That
would
be
ideal
for
a
willow
tree.
Could
I
ask
you
to
consider
this?
Please:
okay,.
B
Thank
you
very
much
to
elizabeth,
very
pertinent
questions,
and
perhaps
david
I'll
bring
you
in
to
answer
those
questions.
Can
I
tell
you
that
council
and
nash
is
our
expert
on
trees?
We
all
we
all
all
agree
with
her,
because
she
knows
so
much
more
than
the
rest
of
us
put
together
and
she
makes
some
excellent
comments.
We
have,
in
the
past
asked
applicants
to
agree
the
species
of
trees
with
counselor
nash,
and
maybe
that
might
be
appropriate
if
you're
willing
to
do
so.
B
M
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
Some
really
really
good
questions
there.
I
will
pass
you
on
to
our
landscape
architects,
owen,
to
to
answer
in
a
bit
more
detail,
but
just
quickly
in
in
terms
of
the
bet,
we've
very
deliberately
designed
the
landscaping
to
open
onto
the
back.
This
is
something
that
we
have
various
different
iterations
and
discussions
with
with
sheamus
to
the
landscape
officer
for
the
city
council.
So
we've
actually
got
a
terrorist
area
there,
which
opens
onto
the
deck
and
we're
going
to
be
installing
a
transparent
handrail.
M
So
the
idea
is
basically
if
the
building
doesn't
turn
tobacco
back
rather
opens
out
towards
it
in
terms
of
trees.
My
understanding
is
we.
We
actually
agreed
the
specification
with
the
city
council
with
sheamus,
but
I
think
he
made
a
very
good
point
about
the
trees
which
grow
20
meters
high.
I
mean
we
we'd
be
more
than
happy
to
work
with
you
to
choose
another
tree.
I
think
that's
that's
a
great
point.
M
If
I
could
hand
you
over
to
to
owen,
perhaps
you
could
talk
through
in
a
bit
more
detail
the
landscaping
to
the
back
and
other
potential
tree
species.
We
could
look
at.
O
Thank
you
chair.
If
you
can
just
confirm
you
can
hear
me,
please.
O
Owen
shields
landscape
architect,
if
I
take
those
points
just
to
pick
up
on
david,
if
I
go
one
at
a
time,
but
perhaps
if
we
go
to
it
might
be
the
next
slide
and
we'll
talk
about
the
back
a
little
bit
more,
please
if
that's
possible.
O
Yes,
I
I
feel
this
probably
the
best
slide,
just
to
pick
up
a
little
bit
more
of
the
detail,
but
you
can
see
the
the
space
against
the
back
that
has
been
specifically
designed
so
that
it
creates
that
opportunity
of
overlook
and
outlook
onto
the
back,
and
it's
very
much
a
key
part
of
the
design
strategy
to
to
make
the
most
of
it
and
either
side
of
that
you
can
see
areas
of
meadow
which
would
be
designed
to
take
occasional
servicing
traffic
to
monitor,
to
monitor
the
walls,
the
existing
walls
against
the
back.
O
So,
let's
say
very
much
about
the
opportunity
of
students
benefiting
from
a
specific
place
that
they
can
go
to
within
the
scheme
in
that
eastern
courtyard
as
a
very
strong
sort
of
visual
and
physical
connection.
O
Otherwise,
to
pick
up
on
the
tree
planting
just
those
points
on
tree
planting
and
the
willow,
I
mean
the
I'll
come
back
to
the
sea
in
a
minute,
but
the
tree
planting
has
been
carefully
sort
of
considered
in
relation
to
each
locality
within
the
scheme.
So,
for
example,
example
here
the
darker
tree
at
the
top
we've
chosen
as
an
alder
because
of
its
native
qualities,
again,
it's
association
with
with
rivers
and
and
river
edge
landscapes.
O
I
mean
just
to
pick
up
a
point
generally
that
we
would
be
very
keen
to
continue
to
work
with
all
parties
on
on
the
landscape,
which
is
normally
subject
to
a
condition
which
allows
us
to
develop
the
details.
So,
whilst
we
have
chosen
a
species
here
in
consultation
with
leeds
leeds
landscape
officer,
we're
perfectly
happy
to
to
consider
other
options
which
meet
as
wide
a
wide
as
aspiration
as
possible.
O
I
think
key
to
successful
tree
planting
and
I'll
touch
on
this,
while
this
particular
slide
and
and
leads
his
guidance
for
trees
is
very
good
in
terms
of
the
type
of
tree
pit
and
the
type
of
underground
treatment
architecture.
That's
needed
to
make
trees
successful.
O
So
each
of
the
circles
on
the
plan
you
can
see
the
tree
pit
is
actually
key
to
its
delivery,
and
we've
been
quite
careful
in
in
making
sure
that
our
specifications
embedded
within
the
standing
out
application
or
are
fully
sort
of
tied
up
with
with
with
policy
and
guidance
and
make
sure
whatever
trees
you
put
in
thrive.
O
If
I
just
go
back
back
one
plan
for
a
moment,
please
I
we
don't
have
the
planting
schedule
here,
but
to
look
at
but
planting
entries
have
been
careful
carefully
chosen
and
to
reflect
specific
locations.
We've
talked
about
the
the
older
against
the
the
back
we've
we've
got
a
multi-stemmed
hazel
currently
within
that
eastern
courtyard.
O
O
We've
chosen,
those
because
of
their
their
relatively
light
foliage,
but
they
are
sitting
within
soft
planting
rather
than
on
the
rather
than
on
the
street
hard
surface
itself.
But
you
know
we
are
certainly
there's
there's
a
we
we've
considered
a
range
of
trees
at
that
location.
I
think
one
of
the
things
to
think
about
is
the
fact
that
to
the
you,
you
can
see
the
main
entrance
at
the
center
of
the
plan
there
to
the
to
the
right
of
that
main
entrance.
O
We
we
we
have
trees
within
within
a
public
realm
within
a
pavement
which
is
intended
to
encourage
access
to
the
building
to
the
left.
We
have
a
landscape
strategy
which
is
about
encouraging
privacy
and
separation
from
the
building
because
of
the
way
the
internal
accommodation
works.
O
So
as
long
as
we
in
the
end
have
trees
that
that
that
deliver
that
overall
streetscape
value
we
can,
we
can
work
with
with
a
with
a
range
of
species.
Sheamus.
The
city
landscape,
architect,
was
keen
on
a
variety
resilience
of
species,
and
so
that
should
any
particular
species
become
ill.
Then
it's
it's
not
leaving
bare
gaps.
B
It
does
help
it
does
help
greatly
on.
There
was
a
comment
from
councillor
nash
regarding
a
tree
being
planted
in
that
triangle.
I
think
it's
that
triangle,
that's
visible
there,
the
decided
meeting
and
that's
not
been
addressed.
O
I
O
I
mean
we
do
have
a
multitude
of
restraints
along
there.
You
can,
if
I
were
to,
if
you
can
just
see
a
little
dashed
line,
running
parallel
to
the
back
wall
itself,.
F
O
That's
a
that's
an
offset
of
about
three
meters
which
we
have
to
keep
clear
for
maintenance
and
emergency
access,
and
you
can
see
the
gate
onto
sheepskar
street
and
that's
both
for
maintenance,
but
also
maintenance,
the
building.
But
it's
also
to
allow
an
occasional
vehicle
through.
If
we
could
get
more
planting
and
more
trees.
There
would
be
no
resistance
from
me
as
a
landscape,
architect
and
I'm
sure
the
client,
my
client.
I
Yeah
just
slightly
well,
thank
you.
Had
I
known
that
that
dark
tree
in
the
middle
in
the
east
and
side
of
your
plan
was
an
older
I'd
have
been
very
happy,
but
I
should
just
like
to
point
out
that
elders
do
grow
into
massive
trees,
but
it
is
a
water
loving
tree.
So
that's
fine.
I
I'm
still
not
happy
with
the
glide.
It's
here
and
seamus,
and
I
don't
always
say
I
so
I
my
view
is:
we
should
plant
trees
that
have
got
the
best
chance
of
survival
in
an
urban
environment,
and
it
does
grieve
me
a
lot
to
see
trees
that
have
been
planted
in
leeds
in
all
good
faith
and
have
died,
and
I
point
to
those
just
outside
the
civic
hall:
half
of
them
are
dead
and
the
other
half
are
dying.
M
So
could
I
come
in
and
just
address
that
that
last
point?
Yes,
please
yeah
yeah,
so
just
to
reiterate
really
that
we're
happy
to
change
that
species.
But
the
last
thing
we
want
is
is
trees
that
are
too
tall
or
that
die
after
a
certain
period
of
time.
So
we're
more
than
happy
to
work
with
you
and
to
change
that
specification,
something
that
you
feel
is
more
suitable
thanks
for
raising
it.
B
Thank
you
david.
I
think
we're
more
than
happy
that
you
do
work
with
council
nash
to
come
to
the
right
choice
of
threes.
We're
happy
to
charge
council
match
with
that
responsibility.
If
liz
is
willing
to
do
it
is
that
okay,
liz.
I
B
Yeah
absolutely
lovely
moving
on
then
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
an
order,
but
what
I
can
see,
graham
graham,
that
graham
latte,
please.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Yes,
it
was
councillor
caroline
drewen
mentioned
or
enjoying
her
question.
It
was
mentioned
that
also
brooks
had
raised
some
points.
I
noticed
that
one
of
them
was
about
the
building
form
and
master
about
this
huge
building.
I
just
wondered
is
this
is
what
we're
looking
at
a
result
of
anything
she
might
have
said
or
was
what
she
said
not
taken
into
account?
B
L
I'm
happy
to
come
in
check
the
pre-application
stage.
The
building
was
taller
and
the
scale
was
greater
and
it's
been
reduced
since
then.
L
So
in
terms
of
the
actual
details,
perhaps
chris
or
the
developers
can
help
me
out,
but
this
form
is
definitely
lower
than
what
counselor
brooke
saw.
Council
brooks
was
consulted
again
on
the
on
the
formal
application.
We've
had
no
further
comments
and
as
officers
we
feel
the
scale
is
appropriate.
It's
for
members
to
take
a
view
on
whether
they
agree
or
not.
B
No,
he
was
only
the
the
hands
I
could
see
when
the
when
the
plan
was
up.
I
could
only
see.
A
Thank
you
chair.
No,
just
I've
got
two
questions
before
I
ask
my
questions.
I
just
want
to
say:
easley's,
art
is
a
great
organization
and
they
are
based
in
birmingham
richmond
hogwarts
the
world
I
represent
with
my
two
other
colleagues,
council,
graham
and
council
reagan
and
and
chair
what
you
said
early
on
is
if
we
can
have
agreement
or
a
condition
if
it's
possible.
If
history
arts
can
be
based
at
this
development
that
we
really
appreciated.
A
B
L
L
Yeah
sure
tom,
can
you
go
to
the
first
slide?
Please,
the
the
one
that
shows
the
street
layout.
It's
a
colored
one
that
normally
comes
up.
L
Share,
that's
it
that
that's
probably
the
the
widest
one.
We've
got
so
in
terms
of
your
question:
counselor
khan,
as
as
a
as
a
a
resident
of
this
block
here
to
to
get
to
the
universities,
one
could
walk
down
cheapska
grove
here
on
to
north
street.
L
This
is
a
college
college
of
building
and
you
will
know
that
well
and
then
you
can
either
go
grafton
street
or
through
local
park
or
down
north
street,
and
all
these
routes
immediately
lead
you
across
the
inner
ring
road
here
and
the
student
that
the
quickest
route,
in
my
view
to
the
student
university
places
either
unleash
university
least
because
university
is
probably
down
down
north
street
up
grafton
street
and
downward
lane,
and
you
and
you're
into
the
marion
center
there
a
million
way,
and
then
you
you,
you
wear
the
civic
hallways,
it's
no
more
than
a
20-minute
walk.
L
It's
probably
quicker
for
young
young
bright,
fit
things
you
know
than
older
people
like
myself.
But
for
me
it's
a
it's.
A
20-minute
walk
in
terms
of
the
the
other
way.
This
is
skinner
lane
and
the
the
aldi
site
which
members
will
know
well
is
is
here
in
this
location
and
it
it's
it's
probably
even
less
to
lincoln's,
green
and
the
residential
areas
there,
and
also
the
cherry
road
and
dolly
lane
up
here
and
then
further
back
towards.
L
A
Husker,
yes,
it
does,
and
can
you
just
also
say,
are
these
safer
crossing
points
to
those
routes
for
students
as
well
and
from
east
leeds,
because
I
know
on
the
skinner
lane
where
the
aldi
is
and
that's
the
word.
I
represent
it's
a
neighboring
ward
from
this
development.
L
Okay,
perhaps
julian
can
come
in
here,
but
my
understanding
is
that
there
are
existing
safe
crossing
points
in
in
appropriate
locations
and
there
were
no
concerns
raised
from
highways.
Colleagues
about
the
safety
issues
in
terms
of
those
crossings,
but
I'm
happy
for
jillian
to
comment
further.
K
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
I
mean
there
is
a
signalized
pedestrian
crossing
to
this
to
this
northern
side
of
skinner
lane
across
the
a61.
So
you
know
it
is
it
is
there
it
is
signalized.
So
you
know,
students
coming
out
can
are
led
straight
to
that
that
crossing
point.
So
I
think
it's
it's.
Certainly
it's
been
amended
fairly
recently,
but
it's
certainly
something
that
is
there
and
available
it's
it's
not
something
we
think
needs
any
adjustment
for
this
development.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
julian
and
my
second
question
chair
is
regarding
design
of
the
building
the
building's
red
brick
building,
and
I
know
you
just
have
a
breakage
a
bit
different
borders
in
there
has
the
developers
considered
some
balconies
on
the
building,
because
when
you
look
around
the
other
slides
and
around
other
buildings,
there
are
some
buildings
have
got
balconies
about.
M
A
C
Jay,
thank
you
very
much.
I
have
two
areas
I
want
to
address.
The
first
is
the
proposal
is
exclusively
for
students.
C
At
our
last
meeting,
we
heard
I
think,
for
the
first
time
that
a
student
scheme
had
built-in
measures
which
could
mean
that
non-students,
if
necessary,
could
occupy
those
buildings.
C
I
want
to
ask
the
managing
director:
why
wouldn't
he
future-proof
the
building
in
a
very
uncertain
situation,
where
you
could
take
a
view
that
face-to-face
tuition
with
students
will
never
be
the
same
again
as
it
has
been
up
to
now,
there'll
be
much
more
digital
tuition
and
people
being
remote,
and
it
may
be
fewer
students
actually
in
the
city,
I've
made
the
point
many
times
before.
I
can't
belabor
it,
but
in
this
proposal
it
seems
to
me
particularly
with
all
those
clusters
they're
not
fit
for
purpose
for
any
other
occupants
than
students.
C
My
second
point
is
also
in
the
design
that
council
latin
councillor
khan
raised
for
members
of
the
public.
We
are
actually
sent
plans
in
hard
copy,
which,
in
this
particular
instance,
is
massively
helpful.
I'm
looking
at
the
the
visualizations,
so
the
first
one
is
a
view.
Looking
east
from
sheepska
grove
and
if
pam
can
get
that
up,
that's
great,
but
it
does
illustrate
just
how
enormous
this
building
is.
C
It
is
a
continuous
building
and
yes,
council
wall
show
was
right,
there's
a
lot
of
detail
close
up,
but
it
doesn't
break
up
that
length
of
building.
In
my
view,
it
is
a
very
long
and,
dare
I
say
it
might
be
quality
but
fairly
monotonous,
streetscape,
which
seems
to
go
on
forever,
and
I
lied
to
that
point
when
you
go
further
back
and
have
a
long
distance
view,
and
you
cannot
see
that
detail
around
the
windows.
C
It
looks
really
like
a
very
massive
brown,
a
block.
I
can't
think
of
a
more
descriptive
word,
but
it
is
just
very,
very
large,
and
I
just
wonder
if
our
design,
colleagues,
what
input
they've
had
to
this,
and
if
they
can't
use
their
imagination
to
break
up
that
long
sequence
of
monotony.
L
Question
chair
can
I
come
come
in
here.
If
you
don't
mind
tommy,
if
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please.
L
Yeah,
thank
you.
Councillor.
Gloria
design,
colleagues
have
been
fully
involved
in
this
and
steve
valley.
I'm
sure
can
back
me
up
on
this,
but
we
are
conscious
of
the
the
relationship
to
the
street
and
and
the
the
the
potential
that
this
is
an
unrelenting
development
and
and
because
of
its
greater
scale,
has
that
unduly
dominating
impact
on
the
street.
L
But
I
think,
from
our
point
of
view,
there's
a
combination
of
setting
the
existing
buildings,
industrial
warehouse
buildings,
although
they're
lowered,
they're
right
on
the
back
edge
of
the
pavement
and
the
pavements
are
narrow,
this
development
will
be
set
back
and
will
create
create
considerably
larger
gaps
to
the
back
edge
of
the
pavement.
So
not
only
do
you
get
three
meter
pavements,
but
you'll
get
three
or
four
meter
set
off
beyond
that
which
allows
the
planting
and
that
sense
of
space.
L
But
more
importantly,
I
think,
in
terms
of
that,
to
break
up
the
the
potential
for
that
unrelenting
mass
about
halfway
down
the
street,
and-
and
this
was
a
slide
I
couldn't
show
at
the
beginning,
because
palm
lost
connectivity
that
there
will
be
this
underpass
and
it's
a
double-story
height
space
and
at
street
level.
This
will
become
the
obvious
features.
So
you
know
you
don't
you're,
not
just
walking
along
white,
lock
street
and
it's
just
unrelenting
building
facade.
There
is
a
break
within
that
as
officers.
You
know,
including
design.
L
Colleagues,
we
think
it's
good
quality
development.
Obviously
members
and
yourself
have.
I
have
the
prerogative
to
take
your
own
view
on
that.
In
terms
of
the
the
first
question
about
adaptability
of
accommodation,
I
think
at
the
last
panel
you
referred
to,
it
was
quite
helpfully
pointed
out
that
if,
if
the
market
changes-
and
we
want
other
uses
in
here,
then
the
buildings
can
lend
themselves
for
very
easy
adaptation
into
it's
a
case
of
removing
and
re-arranging
internal
walls
to
create
the
right
accommodation.
L
But
externally
the
treatments,
the
windows
and
so
on
are
in
a
position
that
you
can
have
more
general
residential
accommodation,
for
example,
or
even
hotel
accommodation,
or
you
know,
other
uses
can
come
in
the
the
complexity
we
have
here
is
that
if
we
allow
that
flexibility
from
day
one,
then
it
opens
up
the
whole
policy
issues
about
affordable
housing,
about
accessible
and
space
standard
and
and
that
that
that
creates
issues
for
the
developers.
L
So
so
we
do
need
to
tie
it
down
at
this
stage
to
student
only
use
because
our
policies
are
different
in
terms
of
those
aspects,
but
but
we're
very
much
as
officers.
We're
very
much
aware
of
members
concerns
about
ensuring
that
this
flexibility
going
forward,
so
that,
if
there's
not
a
reason
that
there's
not
demand
for
purpose-built
student
accommodation,
these
buildings
can
be
put
to
something
else
and
we
think
internally,
we
with
rearrangements
these
buildings
can
be.
B
You
belgium,
it
is
mentioned
in
the
report
that
I
think
the
civic
trust
has
made
a
similar
point.
It
might
be
useful
to
bring
stephen
in
regarding
the
design
of
the
building
steve.
I
stephen
are
you
there.
D
Yes,
chair,
thank
you.
I
think
I
I
I'm
wondering
how
to
describe
this
best
for
members.
I
can
understand
council
gruen's
point,
but
it
probably
won't
be
as
bad
as
he's
imagining
this
slide
here.
For
example,
there's
a
lot
of
articulation
down
the
facade.
You
can
see
it's
stepping
in
and
out
which
which
moves
the
facades.
D
D
It's
a
slight
complementary
change,
as
you
can
see
at
the
far
right
at
the
end,
the
corner,
that's
darker
red,
then
it
moves
in
coming
left
to
a
slightly
lighter
red,
and
then
it
changes
back
to
the
darker
red
you
may
the
the
applicants
have
done
all
they
can
to
to
break
this
elevation
up.
Unfortunately,
the
building
is
one
of
the
old
rules
of
the
game.
It's
a
product
of
what
it
is.
If
you
stack
domestic
living
units
off
corridors,
then
you
will
get
as
we've
had
from
from
the
war
years.
D
We've
had
many
of
these.
The
the
building
becomes
what
it
is,
but
the
applicants
have
done
what
they
can
to
break
it
down.
I
would
also
say
that
they,
as
you
can
see
here,
they're
fairly
deep,
reveals,
I'm
just
politely
suggesting
I
take
councillor
gruen's
point,
but
it
might
not
be
as
bad
as
it
sort
of
first
council
grew
and
imagined.
B
Well,
it
certainly
helps
me,
but
councillor
drew
may
have
some
comments.
Thank.
C
It
does
help-
and
I
think
I
mean
council
also
mentioned
it
about
half
an
hour
ago
now.
I
agree.
The
near
view
is
mitigated
by
the
things
that
stephen
has
articulated.
C
My
concern
is
when
you're
further
away-
and
you
can't
see
those
points
of
those
points
of
detail
which
are
clever
but
from
further
away.
It
just
appears
as
a
single
large
building
and
because
it
is
almost
exactly
the
same
in
terms
of
color
and
and
le
and
shape,
I
don't
think
he
can
differentiate
from
a
distance,
and
my
worry
is
that
it
is
just
one
large
entity.
A
D
D
Yeah,
the
color,
I
think
I'd
say
to
council,
grew
and
that
it
it's
a
case
in
townscape
terms
that
the
human
eye
loses
acuity
at
distance
and
almost
any
building
at
distance
begins.
D
You
begin
to
look,
certainly
you
can't
pick
up
the
moving
facade
so
much
and
it
becomes
more
of
a
homogeneous
block
and
I
would
say
to
counsel
agreement
that,
due
to
the
way
the
eye
sees
at
distance
would
probably
be
true
of
many
buildings,
and
if
I
had
an
answer
to
it,
I'd
be
very,
very
wealthy,
you're
with
me,
because
you
know
it's.
Unfortunately,
the
way
townscape
works
the
further
away.
You
go,
the
less
your
eye
picks
up
the
the
transitions
of
the
movement
of
the
facade.
D
D
This
building
will
have
that
I
say
visual
gravitas
at
distance.
I
I
just
try
and
comfort
counsellor
gruen's
concerns.
I
think
you
know
it.
It
won't.
Look
that
bad,
I'm
struggling.
Does
that
help
counselling.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
think
I
appreciate
all
the
comments
and
the
time
taken
chair.
Thank
you.
N
David
campbell,
here
from
from
alumno
sorry,
I.
O
N
If
you
look
at
where
the
kitchen
diners
are
positioned,
they're,
primarily
positioned
on
the
corners
of
the
building,
predominantly
so
one
thing
that
you
will
get
from
this
building
when
it's
occupied
is
activity
inside
and
all
of
our
buildings
when
they
do
become
occupied,
really
sort
of
activate
themselves.
So
visually
you'll
be
you'll,
see
a
lot
of
things
from
inside
the
building.
N
Obviously,
the
way
we
do
the
interior
design
as
well,
we
all
color
to
pop
out
from
the
building
and
to
give
it
a
bit
more
rhythm
and
a
bit
more
of
a
dynamic.
So
I
think
I
think
that
in
part
we'll
assess
with
a
visual
appearance
of
it.
Particularly
from
this
this
angle,
I
would
also
echo
some
of
dow
jits
points
about
future
proofing.
Every
building
that
we've
ever
developed
and
we've
developed
a
lot
over
the
last
14
years.
N
We've
always
been
cognizant
of
the
the
need
to
ensure
that
they're,
adaptable
and
in
the
future
they
can
be
looked
at
from
up
from
a
different
tenure
point
of
view.
So
I
hope
that
would
give
councillor
groom
some
some
comfort
in
that
regard.
In
relation
to
just
the
general
comment
about
the
market.
N
Clearly,
there's
been
turbulence
this
year.
Of
course,
that
has,
I
can
only
speak
from
our
experience.
We
delivered
two
buildings
this
year,
one
in
sheffield
and
one
in
norwich
and
occupancy.
There
was
pretty
strong,
considering
the
the
the
the
sort
of
uncertainty
certainly
next
year.
The
the
anticipation
is
that
things
should
come
back
to
some
degree
of
normality.
N
You're,
absolutely
right,
though,
to
point
out
that
the
way
students
experience
universities,
no
there's
no
doubt
going
to
change
somewhat,
but
but
I
think
the
the
the
idea
of
students
not
wanting
to
go
to
university
or
go
through
that
experience.
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
change.
Necessarily
our
buildings
are
set
up
in
a
way
that
students
can
can
do
online
courses
and
on
an
online
tutoring
anyway.
So
it's
I'm
sure.
N
You've
heard
that
from
from
previous
games,
but
they're
super
super
connected
in
terms
of
wi-fi
and
obviously
we
put
a
bit
of
thought
into
the
communal
facilities
as
well
to
allow
sort
of
study,
groups
and
tutorials
and
so
on,
to
happen
within
the
building.
So
so
clearly,
from
our
point
of
view,
it's
very
much
in
our
minds
about
how
this
building
adapts
to
a
post
covered
environment
and
certainly
the
emphasis
on
space
and
recreational
facilities.
N
Larger
rooms
super
fast
wi-fi
all
of
our
stuff
is
within
our
mind,
and
I
think
this
building
reflects
that
and
will
be
a
building,
that's
sustainable
in
that
regard.
So
so
I
just
wanted
to.
B
Thank
you,
stephen.
That
was
very
helpful.
Can
I
apologize,
but
my
notes
have
got
you
down
as
david.
B
I
think
we
may
have
more
comments
when
we
come
to
comments.
We
may
have
more
discussion
on
that,
so
I've
got
a
couple
more
members
who
want
to
come
in
I'll
start
with
dan
because
you
haven't
spoken
before
dan
councillor
cohen.
B
F
Yeah,
I
actually
managed
to
unmute
and
then
re-mute
myself,
which
is
a
new
skill.
It's
a
first
over
the
years
in
leeds
there's
been
a
particular
street
wellington
street,
which
I
know
we're
not
specifically
talking
about
now,
but
you'll,
see
where
I'm
going.
That
has
had
some
architectural
nightmares
on
it,
the
bt
building,
the
old
yep,
building,
awful
awful
and
on
wellington
street.
F
At
the
moment
there
is
my
my
current
because
those
two
have
gone
least
favorite
building
in
the
city
and
I'm
sorry
to
about
to
upset
somebody
west
one
which
is
a
red
brick
beast
very,
and
actually
it's
actually
broken
up
slightly
better
than
this,
and,
in
fact
really.
Therefore,
what
I'm
wanting
to
do
is
echo
what
counselor
grew
and
was
saying.
I
just
think
this
is
I'm
afraid
to
say,
and
I
get
these
I
take
mr
valley's
point,
but
I
wasn't
comforted.
F
I
think
this
is
just
awful
from
a
how
it
looks
it
just
because
it's
an
energy
sapping
building.
As
I
look
at
it,
I
I
don't
think
from
a
design
point
of
view.
It
does
anything
steve
said
before
mr
valley
said
before:
it's
not
that
bad!
Well,
I
don't
think
we're
in
the
business
of
not
that
bad
we're
in
the
business
of
it
needs
to
look
really
good.
F
I
don't
want
to
tell
you
there
was
a
question
coming.
I
actually,
I
would
never
put
a
comment
in
questions.
Is
there
not
something
that
can
be
done
in
terms
of
changing
some
of
the
so
using
some
different
material
to
break
it
up?
So
it's
not
just
a
mass
of
brick.
I
know
we're
doing
things
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
breaking
it
by
building
out
in
different
ways,
but
some
different
coloration
to
segment
it
perhaps
or
just
two
west
ones
got
some
different
corrosion
along
the
top,
but
something
to
break
it
up.
B
M
Perhaps
perhaps
I
I
could
answer
this
in
part,
and
I'm
going
to
refer
you
to
our
architects
to
go
into
a
bit
more
detail.
I
think
what
possibly
doesn't
come
across
so
strongly
in
the
visuals
is.
We
do
have
two
different
coloured
bricks
here,
which
will
break
up
the
facades
in
combination
with
all
of
the
other,
clever
trickery
which
is
going
on.
It's
always
difficult
to
see
materials
from
cgi's
and
they
never
quite
represent
what
the
reality
is.
M
From
our
perspective,
obviously,
we
think
that
the
building
is
the
most
important
one.
I
invite
jonathan
our
architects
to
go
into
a
bit
more
detail,
but
hopefully
it
will
give
a
bit
more
reassurance
to
the
the
counselors
in
question
that
we
will
be
doing
a
one-to-one
mock-up
and
we're
happy
for
the
specification
of
the
bricks
to
be
adjusted
if
they
feel
you
know
that
they're
not
appropriate
at
that
time.
D
Could
I
make
it
could?
Could
I
make
a
suggestion
chair
that
architects
it
is
possible?
Could
we
just
look
at
that
elevation
again
pam,
please,
if
that's
possible
near
the
with
the
one
with
the
entrance
and
that
I
was
talking
about
yeah.
D
D
There
may
be
you
know
of
a
different
sort
of
stone,
color.
Perhaps
what
I'm
suggesting
is.
We
could
refer
back
with
the
applicants
and
just
put
selected
feature
in
of
a
different
color
and
do
it
in
panels,
which
is
a
different
material.
B
Thank
you,
stephen
dan.
J
You
asked:
could
I
come
in
there?
Of
course
I've
been
quiet
for
most
of
the
meeting.
It's
been
very,
very
good
actually
and
jonathan
yates,
I'm
the
architect.
I've
got
to
take
steve's
compliment
and
we
had
some
fairly
robust
meetings
developing
this
scheme,
which
were
very
enjoyable
and
very,
very
constructive
when
he
called
it
clever.
I
think
that
that
was
a
and
that
warmed
my
heart
counselor
cohen's
comments
didn't
have
quite
the
same
effect,
but
I
think
I
think
to
answer
it.
J
We
we've
very
much
looked
at
context
here
and
the
industrial
kind
of
roots
and
the
nature
of
it
and-
and
we
feel
very
passionately
actually
that
there's
a
real
story
to
this
big,
this
building
being
a
brick
building.
I
think
there
are
two
things
that
have
been
you
know
highlighted.
J
One
is
that
in
any
renderings
such
as
this,
they
they
go
so
far
to
tell
the
story,
I
think
that
it
will
be
conditioned
naturally,
that
the
brickwork
and
brickwork
choices
will
be
subject
to
sample
panels
and-
and
steve
will
steve
will
appreciate
this
as
an
architect.
That
is
not
just
the
brick
and
we've
chosen
two
complementary
red
multi
bricks,
and
we
it's
the
mortar
as
well.
The
watercolours
can
make
a
quite
a
large
difference
in
in
terms
of
introducing
a
another
material
we've
you
can
see
in
this
image.
J
We've
got
the
very
large
openings
which
express
the
structural
frame
and
rationale
to
the
building,
and
we
have
the
the
kind
of
louvered
panels
as
well,
which
play
different
rhythms
in
different
sections,
so
that
the
book
ends
that
steve
referred
to
have
a
more
regular
and
a
more
vertical
emphasis
to
the
window
pattern,
and
then
in
the
in
the
two,
inter
connecting
wings.
We've
we've
kind
of
varied
that
thing.
J
In
essence,
when
you
look
at
this
image
it,
it
clearly
shows
it's
a
building,
which
is
is
horizontal
in
nature
and
and
I
think
that
the
brick
you
know,
the
brickwork-
has
echoes
of
kind
of
the
warehouse
scale
of
not
just
the
building
and
the
massing,
but
also
the
fenestration
that
you
would
get
in
traditional
warehousing.
So
there
is
a
there
is
a
logic
and
the
rationale
behind
it.
J
I
think
cladding
is
a
bit
of
a
hot
potato
and
all
you
know
it
literally
really
is
since
grantful,
and
you
know,
but
it's
not
for
those
reasons
that
that
we
dismissed
it,
but
we
did
consider
some
further
articulation
in
the
materiality
and
and
perhaps
some
cladding
or
render.
But
I've
got
to
say
that
personally
again,
it's
it's
a
it's
an
architect's
opinion,
I'm
not
a
fan
of,
and
just
introducing
materiality
to
to.
You
know
for
the
sake
of
breaking
it
up.
J
Necessarily,
I
think
that
what
I
would
say
is
that
we've
had
a
very
constructive
collaborative
dialogue
with
the
design
officer
and
the
planning
officer,
and
I
go
back
to.
I
think
we
can
fine-tune
the
materiality
and
the
accents
within
the
materiality
through
further
dialogue
and
development
via
the
conditions
with
with
sample
panels,
and
that
would
be
my
suggestion,
my
preference.
I
also
think
going
back
to
the
the
ceramic
studio
which
has
emerged
with
the
the
dialogue
with
these
streets.
J
I
mean
you'll
be
all
familiar
with
the
berman
tufts
pottery,
which
you
know
was,
was
also
not
just
a
pottery,
but
also
had
architectural
ceramics
as
well,
and
we
do
have
some
further
thoughts
and
these
need
developing
with
with
the
art
allocation
that
david
campbell's
referred
to.
You
know
with
these
street
arts
there
aren't.
There
are
some
further
developments
to
do
in
tunes
to
play.
J
I
think,
with
with
the
the
you
know,
the
ceramics,
the
brickwork
all
very
similar
in
nature
and
feel
and
texture,
and
I
think
that
we
can
look
to
certainly
look
to
that
and
develop
that,
through
the
through
the
conditions
and
the
ongoing
dialogue
with
the
design
officer.
B
J
B
Okay,
but
that's
that's
a
very
useful
contribution.
Jonathan
thank
you.
Can
I
bring
dan
back
in
see
now
that
we
may
have
some
wrinkle
room
on
this.
G
F
Look
chad.
I
take
the
point
I
I
I
realize
that
jonathan
wouldn't
have
been
delighted
with
the
comment,
I'm
just
very
keen
to
avoid
a
building.
That's
going
to
be
there.
We
hope
for
a
long
long
time
and
that
we
look
at
anything
actually
do
you
know
what
councillor
gruen
and
councillor
cohen
were
quite
right.
F
It's
just
too
much
too
much
of
one
thing,
I'm
assured
and
reassured
that
that's
not
going
to
be
the
case
and
would
just
urge
that
anything
to
break
up
its
visual
impact
was
looked
at
though
I
take
all
the
points.
Thank
you
thank.
B
K
It
is
undoubtedly
a
question
chair.
It's
actually
well,
it's
not
because
it's
student
accommodation,
it's
not
initially,
it's
not
planning
consideration
per
se,
so
I'm
not
asking
for
war
and
peace
as
a
response,
but
given
the
market
for
purpose-built
student
accommodation
as
a
whole
in
leeds,
and
given
this
this
building's
got
quite
a
sort
of
almost
a
challenging
location
for
purpose-built
student.
It
is
on
sort
of
almost
beyond
the
periphery
of
where
we'd
normally
expect
to
see
this
really.
K
So,
what's
the
applicant's
intentions
towards
how
they're
going
to
market
it,
what
price
level?
What
affordability
is
it
going
to
have,
because
obviously
I
mean
they
need
to
be
aware
that
there's
quite
a
debate
within
leeds
at
the
moment
about
and
I'm
not
talking
about,
plans
panels,
but
just
just
with
the
universities
and
the
level
of
affordability
of
the
purpose-built
stocking
leads.
K
We've
seen
a
lot
of
developments
come
in
pitching
at
the
very
exclusive
eye:
watering,
the
expensive
rents
that
would
give
most
parents
a
heart
attack
and
we've
seen
some
movement
in
the
middle
and
towards
the
more
affordable
end.
But
I'm
just
wondering
where
this
application,
which
is
a
lot
of
really
sterling
good
features
and
the
way
they
intend
to
pitch
themselves.
N
Hi,
chair
yeah,
it's
a
good
question
from
council
wall
show
I
mean,
as
a
company
we're
very
much
about
often
spectrum
of
rents,
so
it's
very
much
a
mid-range
product,
if
I'm
honest,
but
we
were
fully
aware
of
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
students
come
to
university
on
different
budgets,
so
we
may
have
some
more
affordable
rooms,
but
then
we
may
have
an
element
of
rooms
or
maybe
classes
being
a
bit
more
expensive,
but
certainly
not
high-end.
I
think
our
offer
is
very
much
in
the
middle
ground.
N
N
It's
been
quite
a
kind
of
artisanal
feel
as
well.
I
think
from
a
from
an
affordability,
affordability
standpoint
I
think,
because
of
where
it
is,
we
can
actually
offer
something.
That's
a
bit
more
competitive.
Well,
it's
not
for
going
on
the
quality.
You
know
we
we've
we've
developed.
I
think
eight
over
eight
thousand
beds
over
the
years,
so
we've
got
tried
and
trusted
methods
and
approaches
to
this.
N
We've
all
we've
obviously
had
discussions
with
all
most
of
the
institutions
in
the
city
regarding
what
would
what
would
be
appropriate
and
what
would
their
students
want
so
very
much
been
mindful
of
that
was
putting
this
this
scheme
together.
So
I
hope
that
answers
the
point.
Yeah.
B
Okay,
thank
you
and
councillor
kelly
brooks
will
be
delighted
because
she
did
raise
this
question
at
at
an
earlier
stage
in
february.
I've
just
got
one
more
questionnaire
and
that's
councillor
graham
latte,
and
then
we'll
move
on
to
comments.
H
Actually,
mr
ch,
I
put
myself
down
to
get
into
comments.
Did
you.
H
There's
been
nothing
not
at
all:
no,
no
we're
not
talking
about
houses
here.
The
word
context
is
cropped
up
now,
then,
the
area
in
which
this
building
is
going
to
be
is
probably
one
of
the
drubbest
and
most
boring
of
leads.
I
mean
there's
nothing
to
excite
the
eye
at
all,
really
in
this,
this
particular
area
and
so
to
say
that
this
building
is
designed
to
fit.
The
context
is
actually
supporting
what
both
cancer
growing
and
counselor
cohen
have
said.
H
H
A
lot
of
work
has
been
done
on
trying
to
alleviate
the
fact
that
we
have
a
very
big
building,
but
whatever,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it
goes
on
forever
and
it
reflects
in
lots
of
ways
what
is
on
the
inside,
because
when
we
were
looking
at
the
the
the
floor
layouts,
the
word
relentless
came
into
my
mind
that
it
is
room
room,
room,
room,
each
side
of
a
corridor,
rows
and
rows,
claws
and
floors
and
okay,
I
I've
had
some
some
disparaging
comments
to
stay
with
our
students
in
the
past
and
about
the
amount
of
accommodation
and
the
sort
of
accommodation
that
would
provide
for
them.
H
But
you
know
going
through
the
doors
of
this.
You
almost
feel
it
should
be
abandoned.
Hopefully
you
will
enter
here
because
it's
it
is
relentless
ground
floor
lots
of
things
going
on
which
we
must
applaud,
and
at
the
end
of
the
day
this
is
a
building
which
we're
going
to
accept
have
no
doubt,
but
because
it's
fulfilling
a
purpose
and
yes,
we've
had
some
we've
had
a
lot
worse
buildings
put
to
us
in
leagues,
it's
not
horrible
or
anything
like
that.
H
It's
just
not
exciting,
it's
not
interesting,
and
if
I
was
going
to
live
there
for
three
or
four
years,
I
think
I
might
might
be
a
bit
depressed,
so
I
really
do
think
that
something
could
be
done
and
we're
not
talking
about
about
playing
with
collar.
H
What
we're
talking
about
personally,
I'm
talking
about,
is
perhaps
a
different
color,
but
I'm
not
going
to
start
designing
things
I'll
leave
it
at
that
that
that's
what
I
feel
about
this
okay.
B
Thank
you
graeme.
I
can
see
council
near
wall
shaw's
hand,
neil.
K
Thanks
chair,
I
think
I
think,
there's
a
there's
an
awful
lot
of
good
in
this
application.
I
think
it's
very
much
benefited
from
a
pre-app
and
if
memory
shows
me,
I
think
I
was
substituted
that
perhaps
it
was
unavailable
and
particularly
draw
folks
attention
to
the
attention
on
climate
energy
future
proofing.
K
The
level
of
accommodation,
I
think
is,
is
it's
fine,
as
far
as
it
goes
for
personal
student
accommodation,
I
think
there's
a
lot
to
be
said
about
the
sort
of
ground
level
development,
the
look
with
the
community,
the
arts,
the
arts
and
culture
led
approaching
some
clearly
some
thought
got
into
that.
That's
clearly
a
step
above
quite
a
lot
of
the
applications
we
have
chair.
I
think
so.
So
that's
that's!
That's
all
very
positive.
K
I
I
think
in
terms
of
its
visual
impact,
I
think
it
is
a
substantial
structure,
but
it
is
worth
noting
it
is
smaller
than
I
think
what
what
came
to
pre-app,
but
I'm
comfortable
with
the
materiality
and
the
the
design
and
the
variation,
the
design
and
the
break
of
it
visually.
I
think
it'll
be
in
terms
of
it
in
terms
of
its
totality
chair.
I
think
it's
actual
provide
good
level
of
student
accommodation.
K
It's
it's.
An
interesting
is
a
new
location
for
that.
I
think
that's
it's
it's
it's
it's
it's
beneficial
to
the
housing
mix
in
that
location,
chair
and
it's
not
showing
some
of
the
clustering
we've
had
with
some
purpose
accommodation.
I
think
that's
actually
quite
welcome.
K
B
Thank
you.
I've
melted
that
very
useful
comments.
Thank
you.
Moving
on
I've
got
councillor
groom
peter
gruen.
C
C
So,
for
example,
we've
looked
at
all
the
kind
of
the
heritage
aspects,
the
middle
aspects,
and
so
we've
tried
to
mirror
some
of
those
points
and
they
are
subtle
and
I
can
see
exactly
what
we
were
being
told,
but
for
the
man
and
woman
in
the
street
I
say
to
you:
they
don't
have
those
subtle
thoughts.
C
C
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
positives
in
this
building,
but
overriding
for
me.
It
is
too
monotonous
and
too
large
and
not
broken
up
and
chair.
You
may
well
be
able
to
jog
my
memory,
but
we
had
a
similar
building.
I
think
on
burley
road,
probably
a
couple
of
years
ago,
which
was
massively
longer
massively
big
and
we
went
away
with
mark
burgess
and
stephen
valley,
and
we
came
up
with
a
and
the
developer
a
different
design.
C
He
makes
it
more
difficult
for
us.
So
I
think
my
comment
at
the
moment
is
I'm
not
satisfied
that
we
should
today
take
this
forward
as
it
is.
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
see
some
alternative
design
in
terms
of
the
that
overall
massing.
That
is
the
one
point.
I
think
that
is
stopping
me
from
saying
everything
is
wonderful.
Let's
just
go
ahead.
B
Thank
you
peter.
Yes,
I
remember
the
building
very
well.
It
was
to
not
put
too
fine
a
point
on
it.
It
was
fit.
It
was
fairly
horrendous.
I
I
think
what
we're
looking
at
today
is
much
better
now
much
better
than
that,
but
we'll
see
how
it
develops
and
there
may
be
possibilities
in
the
direction
you
are
attempting
to
go.
B
Moving
on
then
counselor
colin
campbell.
B
E
E
I
know
dolce
tried
to
persuade
us
earlier
on
that
this
will
complement
the
housing
mix
in
the
area,
but
if,
if
you're
familiar
with
the
area,
if
you
think
about
it,
north
street
and
skinner
lane
marked
the
the
boundary
of
quite
a
substantial
area
to
the
what
would
it
be
the
northeast
of
low-scale
employment
uses
and
if
we
agree
to
the
principle
of
this
type
of
development
we're
effectively
taking
out
that
employment
use
and
replacing
it
with
the
residential
use.
E
Now
this
residential
unit,
in
my
opinion,
will
be
somewhat
isolated
within
that
area
and
okay
from
the
student's
point
of
view,
it's
not
too
bad
because
we've
got
the
eagle
tavern
we've
got
north
brewery.
Is
it
and
I
think,
they've
also
got
nomad
brewery,
which
is
just
over
the
road
it's
beyond
benson
street
nowadays?
E
Exercised
by
the
design
of
the
building-
and
I
think
from
our
point
of
view,
because
the
current
use
is
effectively
low
rise,
the
artist's
impressions
make
this
appear
to
be
a
very
big
building.
It
is
big,
but
it'd
be
a
very
big
building
and
it
stands
out.
E
I
would
also
say
I
I
I'm
picking
up
on
the
civic
trusts
comment
in
relation
to
how
much
space
each
student
gets
and
as
you'll
know,
chad
about
this
point.
When
we're
discussing
student
accommodation,
I
usually
say
to
mr
feeney,
we
were
expecting
some
time
ago
a
report
for
members
in
relation
to
size
standards
for
student
accommodation
which
hasn't
arrived
as
yet.
E
It
does
seem
to
be
a
bit
of
a
rabbit
hutch,
the
internals
anyway.
Some
of
the
student
accommodation
we've
seen
actually
now
completed
within
the
city
is,
is
impressive.
I
think
the
the
range
of
facilities,
the
space,
the
amenities,
I
think
they
are
the
positive,
I'm
not
sure
about
the
internals
on
this
one.
So
at
the
moment
chair,
I
I'm
not
manning
the
barricades
for
a
on
the
design
of
the
building,
but
I
I
have.
E
B
Thank
you
colin
moving
on
then
councillor,
caroline
groon,
please.
G
Thank
you
and
well.
There
was
previous
reference
to
the
ordinary
person
on
the
street,
not
having
quite
such
sophisticated
thoughts
or
connections
tonight
about
the
caroline.
B
G
Are
broken
that
this
design
is
based
on
and
I'm
actually
quite
happy
with
the
close-up
cgi
versions
that
we've
seen
today.
It's
just
this
one
issue
about
as
you
recede
and
you
look
at
it
from
a
distance.
It
takes
on
a
large
block,
as
peter
said,
and
I
think
jonathan
the
architect
made
the
suggestion
that
further
negotiations.
G
Could
go
on
in
the
background
outside
if
anything
can
be
done
about
that
and,
as
somebody
has
also
pointed
out
quite
often
when
things
come
back
after
that
kind
of
discussion,
they
can
come
back
very
considerably.
Thinking
again
about
that.
As
it's
an
issue,
that's
hit
several
people
on
this
panel.
It's
distanced
view
basically,
but
in
terms
of
its
concept
in
terms
of
design,
its
concept
and
its
close-up
view.
I
I
actually
am
quite
happy
with
that
and
I
would
be
prepared
to
second
it.
G
I
do
agree
with
some
of
colin's
points
that
he
made
about
the
internal
layout.
We
have
seen
some
very
innovative
student
accommodation,
although
they
weren't
themselves
without
any
flaws
at
all,
but
they
were
impressive
and-
and
this
isn't
quite
so
impressive
as
that
on
the
internal
layout,
but
in
terms
of
the
external
design,
I
think
we
might
be
just
pushing
it
a
brick
too
far
as
it
were.
B
Thank
you
carolina.
I
I
think
we
got
the
gist
of
what
we
were
saying.
You
were
breaking
up
in
parts,
but
I
think
I
understand
that
the
long
distance
view
is
you're
concerned
and
the
ma
it
looks
quite
massive
from
a
long
distance,
but
I
was
very.
B
Yes,
I
hear
that
one.
Yes,
as
I
do
moving
on
councillor
dan
cohn.
F
Thank
you
chair.
I
I
found
a
lot
of
what
colleagues
have
said.
In
fact,
I
found
everything
colleagues
said
very
interesting
today.
I
I
agree
with
councillor
walsh
about
the
environmental
factors
around
this
building
and
the
sustainability
around
the
building.
I
think
it's
a
long
time
since
we've
seen
something
that
is
as
impressive
as
this
is
in
that
regard.
F
I
share
some
of
counselor
campbell's
views
about
it
being
a
bit
out
on
its
own,
and
I
have
a
concert.
Actually
I
think
students
may
feel
quite
similarly
about
it.
I
I
note
the
the
the
fact
that
there
are
some
folks
nearby,
but
students
want
a
great
deal
more
than
that,
quite
like
the
rest
of
us
do,
and
I
I
am
concerned
about
the
fact
it
is
just
a
bit
out
on
its
own,
but
for
me,
and
it
will
be
no
surprise.
F
I
just
feel
that
not
too
bad
isn't
good
enough.
I
think
that
all
parts
of
our
city
deserve
the
best
possible
looking
buildings
and
I
respectfully
have
to
disagree.
I
think
with
caroline
that
to
me
I
think
the
close-up
doesn't
look
great
and
from
a
distance
will
look
far
worse,
and
I
think
it
is
something
that
we
will
live
to
regret
in
terms
of
its
design.
F
B
Thank
you
dan.
Finally,
amongst
memphis
I've
got
councillor
elizabeth
nash,
please
liz.
I
Right,
as
I
said
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
this
used
to
be
a
part
of
the
city
and
consulate
ward,
which
I
represented,
I
have
to
say,
I've
got
no
problems
with
the
sighting
of
student
accommodation
in
this
area.
I
Just
if
you
look
at
the
map
which
was
sent
with
our
pack,
just
south
of
it
is
balax
and
south
of
that,
you
can
see.
Concord
street
have
delivered
that
on
no
end
of
occasions.
I
At
the
other
side
of
the
road,
which
is
little
london,
there's
little
park
housing
estate,
but
the
immediate
area
in
which
the
application
is
for
is
is
a
neither
nothing
or
something
area.
It's
very
scrappy,
ad
hoc,
low
level,
industrial
development,
light
industrial
development,
and
I
I
think
that
this
building
would
definitely
be
an
improvement
on
what
is
there
at
the
moment.
I
However,
I
can
understand
members
view
that
it
it
does
look.
I
have
to
be
honest
rather
bulky
and
I
take
the
point
about
the
different
colors
of
brick
but
they're,
not
so
different
that
that
they
make
a
visual
difference,
and
I've
always
said
that
unrelieved,
brick
or
unrelief
stone
is
boring,
and
I
don't
really
want
to
vote
against
this
application,
but
I
would
like
the
developers
to
go
away
and
see
what
they
could
do
to
enhance
the
design
at
the
moment.
It's
very
plain.
I
I
B
A
Thank
you
chair.
It
was
just
in
response
to
councillor
campbell's
comments
about
further
work
on
space
standards
for
purpose-built
student
accommodation.
I
just
wanted
to
reassure
councillor
campbell
and
you
chair
and
other
members
that
we
are
on
with
that
piece
of
work
and
we're
intending
to
bring
a
paper
to
the
development
plan
panel
on
the
11th
of
december,
so
just
to
confirm
that
that
piece
of
work
is
underway
and
we'll
be
bringing
something
to
members
shortly.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
david.
Can
I
bring
indulgent
now,
please.
L
The
comments
that
we
made
factored
on
on
three
issues
really
there's
been
a
lot
of
comment
about
the
the
design
of
the
building,
and
some
of
that
I
think,
relates
to
the
scale.
But
I
have
to
stress-
and
I
think
council
nash
picked
up
this
point
well-
that
the
the
area
is
very
mixed
in
character.
L
The
immediate
setting
of
white
lock
street
is
single-story
industrial
sheds
any
building
to
whether
it's
three
or
four
stories
is
going
to
look
out
of
scale
in
that
immediate
street
and
we're
not
even
we're
not
designing
for
single-story
sheds
here
we're
designing
for
multi-story
residential
accommodation
just
one
street
further
to
the
south
skinner
lane
we've
got
a
number
of
eight
to
nine
story,
residential
buildings,
which
I
showed
earlier
in
the
presentation,
and
we've
approved
an
11
story
block
at
the
corner
of
regent
street
and
skinner
lane.
L
L
There
were
some
slides
which
I
didn't
show
which
are
on
it
as
part
of
the
presentation
part,
and
they
show
the
thought
that's
been
given
to
the
detailing
and
it's
it's
always
very
difficult,
because
the
render
doesn't
do
it
justice,
as
we
know,
but
but
a
well-detailed
building,
with
changing
plane
with
shadow
lines
with
the
clear
base
middle
and
top
it
resonates
with
people.
L
The
lee's
college
of
building
in
elevation
form
was
very
poor,
but
when
you
go
on
site,
it's
a
well-received
building
and-
and
this
will
be-
this
will
be
a
good
example.
It's
not
a
it's,
not
a
a
cheap
approach.
By
any
means,
I
think
more
can
be
done
to
differentiate.
L
It
is
a
long
elevation,
especially
along
white
block
street,
and
more
can
be
done
to
differentiate
between
the
different
elements
of
that
elevation
and
we
we
could
and
I'm
quite
sure
that
the
applicant
will
be
open
to
different
material
treatment
or
different
color.
The
darker
colored
brick.
So
there's
more
of
a
contrast
and
that
will
help
break
up.
What
to
the
eye,
looks
like
an
unrelenting
treatment
along
the
long
elevation
any
longer
views.
L
I
think
the
scale
of
building
will
sit
comfortably
within
the
the
larger
buildings
along
skinner
lane
up
the
hill
towards
laurel
park.
So
those
are
my
thoughts,
but
I
hear
what
members
are
saying,
but
I
don't
think
we
can
go
too
far
away
from
the
scale
if
you
want
multi-story
residential
development.
The
other
point
that
members
picked
up
was
the
the
actual
character
of
the
area
and
the
principle
of
residence
residential
use.
I
think
I
think
it
is
becoming
more
of
a
mixed
character.
The
former
industrial
uses.
L
These
buildings
have
been
there
on
this
site
for
from
for
a
number
of
years,
one
of
them
is
occupied,
but
the
other
one
has
been
vacant
for
a
number
of
years
in
the
industrial
occupiers.
Don't
want
to
be
in
this
location,
they're,
moving
further
out
moving
to
the
enterprise
zone.
These
buildings
aren't
really
fit
for
purpose
for
modern
day
uses,
so
the
sites
have
becoming
available
and
really
it's
a
strategic
question
for
the
council,
but
do
we?
Are
we
happy
with
the
city?
L
L
We've
got
the
aldi's
that's
here,
so
I
think
we
have
to
look
at
this
as
being
part
of
that
that
character
in
terms
of
the
internal
accommodation
members
mentioned
that
the
the
they
think
they
mean
to
within
the
building's,
not
as
good
the
actual
size
of
the
rooms
is,
is
very
similar
to
the
development
that
members
visited
quite
recently
at
vita
at
saint
albans
place,
which
is
not
too
far
away
from
here,
just
at
the
top
of
the
hill.
L
So
the
the
internal
size
of
the
accommodation
is
very
similar
in
terms
of
studio
sizes
and
the
size
of
the
cluster
bedrooms
and
the
the
amenity
space.
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
to
members,
so
those
were
the
three
things
I
picked
up
on
and
some
some
of
my
commentary.
If
that's
okay,
chair.
B
Thank
you,
okay
and
it's
it's
quite
possible
to
put
conditions
on
to
cover
some
of
the
questions
that
was
raised
like
looking
again
at
some
physical
improvements
for
the
long
distance
views.
I
think
the
applicants
were
quite
receptive
to
that.
The
trees
were
another
one
that
they're
okay
with
the.
L
The
there
are
already
conditions
to
control
the
full
detailed
treatment
of
the
elevations,
including
large-scale
samples
and
the
actual
final
choice
of
materials.
So,
as
part
of
the
discharge
of
that,
we
can
pick
up
on
some
of
the
points
that
have
been
discussed
today.
There's
also
a
condition
controlling
the
full
landscaping
details,
including
the
planting
specification
and
again
I
can
pick
that
up
with
councillor
nash
separately
in
terms
of
tree
choices,
so
that
that
avenue
is
there
for,
for
for,
for
members.
M
Yeah,
would
you
be
happy
for
us
to
just
come
in
to
to
talk
about
the
immediacy
briefly,
I
certainly.
M
Yes,
I
mean
just
really
to
to
reiterate:
you
know:
alumno
is
a
company
in
across
all
of
our
projects.
You
know
we
place
a
really
strong
emphasis
on
high-quality
communal
areas,
and
this
was
seen
in
the
presidents
which
we
submitted
to
to
chris
bergs
and
the
policy
team,
including
examples
of
some
of
our
schemes
in
norwich,
london
and
limited
spa.
In
terms
of
the
immediacy
for
this
scheme.
M
M
We've
got
a
communal
hub,
we've
got
quiet,
study
areas,
we've
got
multimedia
areas,
dining
and
a
common
room
and
laundry
provision,
and
then
at
sixth
level
we
have
a
cinema
room
which
has
a
capacity
for
26
people
and
a
communal
gym,
and
it's
going
to
have
a
range
of
cardio
and
resistance,
training
machines
and,
crucially,
that's
got
great
views
across
the
city
and
that
runs
on
to
the
the
roof
garden
which
maybe
we
haven't
really
spoken
about.
But
a
huge
amount
of
effort
has
gone
into
the
roof
garden
and
the
landscape
design.
M
It's
going
to
be
south
facing
it's
going
to
be
an
excellent
place
for
students
to
to
relax
and
mix,
and
that's
in
combination
as
well
with
the
eastern
courtyards.
Again,
a
huge
amount
of
work
has
gone
into
the
landscaping
and
how
it
interacts
with
the
bec
and
how
that
terrorist
era
could
be
used.
So
I
I
hope
you
know
we're
not
under
selling
the
scheme
in
terms
of
immunity.
You
know:
we've
delivered
a
lot
of
student
beds
over
the
years.
We've
submitted
precedents
of
those.
M
You
know
this
is
not
a
drab
interior.
This
is
an
exciting
building
and
we
place
a
huge
emphasis
on
the
communal
areas,
because,
ultimately,
that's
what
what
sales
we're
building
as
well.
N
Yeah,
in
fact,
if
I
could
just
start
to
share,
I'm
not
sure
members
are
aware,
but
we're
actually
part
of
the
places
for
people
group
and
they
hadn't
sent
the
name
there
really
were
really
focused
on
place
making,
and
we
see
student
housing
as
being
a
key
contributor
to
that
agenda.
We've
just
finished
phase
three
at
park,
kelsey
in
sheffield
with
urban
splash
and,
and
that
was
very
much
about
a
place
making
agenda
really
allowing
students
to
contribute
in
a
positive
way
to
a
regeneration
project.
B
Thank
you
for
that,
peter
I
see
your
hand
up
again.
I
I
don't
wish
to
start
the
debate
all
over
again.
So
if
it's
a
quick
point,
please
do
come
in.
C
I
don't
want
to
start
the
debate
all
over
again
but
you're
about
to
move
to
a
vote.
I
think
so.
I
would
like
to
say
that
a
number
of
us,
I
think,
will
be
comforted
if
we
approve
the
scheme
in
principle,
but
if
we
had
a
further
opportunity,
the
next
cycle
to
see
any
further
alterations
that
developer
and
officers
could
come
up
with
in
terms
of
the
physical
appearance
of
the
external
building.
C
I
think
that
would
probably
unite
us
in
taking
the
scheme
forward,
but
that
is
the
key
difference.
I
think.
B
Well,
I
think,
that's
very
helpful
peter,
I
think
that's
very
helpful.
We
we
could
condition
that,
can
we
we
could
do
that
algae.
L
Happy
happy
to
do
that.
I
don't
think
we
could.
We
we've
already
got
a
condition
covering
the
detailed
use
of
materials,
so
I
don't
think
we
need
a
further
condition.
I
I
think,
if
members
view
or
decision
today,
subject
to
the
the
the
the
elevational
treatment,
then
then
really
the
best
thing
to
do
is
defer
and
come
back
with
with
those
elevational
treatments.
L
But
if,
if
it's
a
case
of
that,
they're
happy
for
us
to
bring
back
they're
happy
to
agree
the
proposal,
but
for
for
officers
in
having
worked
for
the
applicant
to
bring
back
the
alternatives
of
how
the
elevation
could
look
and
for
and
for
their
members
to
have
some
input
into
that
which
could
then
be
picked
up
as
part
of
that
condition
discharge
later
on,
then
that's
that's
that's
doable
as
well,
but
it
would
and
it
would
give
them
give
the
member
sorry
the
applicant
the
comfort
of
the
condition
of
the
permission.
L
So
so
those
are.
Those
are
the
two
two
ways
to
do
it.
You
either
deferred
it
fully
or
you
agree
it,
but
we
come
back
with
some
alternatives
for
your
commentary,
which
can
then
be
looked
at
as
part
of
the
condition
discharge.
What
that
second
avenue
means
that
we
can't
revisit
the
scale
of
the
building,
we're
only
looking
at
the
elevational
treatment.
C
B
As
I
as
I
am
as
well
as
council
wall
shore,
is
I'm
looking
for
hands?
Are
we
happy
with
that
way
forward?.
B
I've
seen
lots
of
nods
and
hands.
So
yes,
okay,
yes,
thank
you
dan.
Okay,
then,
on
that
conv,
with
that
condition,
added
is
councilworld
shaw
prepared
to
move
the
recommendation.
B
Lovely
okay,
thank
you.
We
moved
to
the
vote
then,
when
I
call
out
your
name,
please
indicate
whether
you're
for
against
or
abstain,
and
it's
alphabetical
order,
starting
with
councillor
david
blackburn
in
favor.
Thank
you.
Councillor
campbell.
B
E
B
L
Much
for
for
clarity,
the
the
officer's
recommendation
has
been
carried
subject
to
officers,
bringing
back
further
details
on
the
elevational
treatment
for
members
to
comment
on
to
inform
the
conditioned
discharge
stage.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
conclude,
and
can
I
thank
the
agents
david
campbell
david,
lindsay,
sarah
cox,
jonathan
yates
and
david
mike
military
for
the
helpful
response
to
our
questions.
B
Can
I
remind
you
that
this
is
the
last
meeting
before
christmas
and
I'm
sorry
I
would
normally
have
the
goodies
and
the
minced
parts
I
decided,
but
it's
not
possible,
but
I
do
promise
that
if
we
can
have
real
meetings
again
or
hybrid
meetings
again,
I
shall
bring
the
cakes
along.
If
I'm
still
here,
okay,
I
I
honestly
have
no
idea
when
that's
gonna
happen.
I
wish
it
was
the
next
meeting.
B
So
with
that
merry
christmas
of
all
but
be
warned,
we
have
a
big
program.
In
january
we
have
one
on
the
seventh,
as
I've
said
seventh
of
january
and
on
the
14th,
which
is
likely
to
be
late
to
bradford
airport.
Coming
back
to
us,
so
have
a
good
christmas
and
be
prepared
for
a
bit
of
work
in
early
january.
B
Thank
you
all,
and
it's
been
an
excellent
debate.
Well
done,
thank
you
for
your
participation.
Thank.