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From YouTube: Leeds City Council - Scrutiny Board (Children and Families) Consultative Meeting - 7th July 2021
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B
Okay
good
morning,
welcome
to
today's
meeting
I'm
councillor
alan
lam
and
I
chair
the
children
and
families
scrutiny
board.
B
Just
before
we
begin,
I'm
going
to
read
a
brief
prepared
statement
just
to
set
out
the
terms
of
the
meeting,
so
it's
just
to
clarify
that
this
is
a
remote
consultative
meeting
of
the
children
and
families
scrutiny
board,
and
so,
while
it's
being
webcast
live
to
enable
public
access,
it's
not
being
held
as
a
public
meeting
in
accordance
with
the
local
government
act
1972..
B
Then
these
will
be
referred
to
the
next
formal
public
meeting
of
the
scrutiny
board
for
approval,
and
so
before
we
get
into
the
main
items
I'd
like
to
invite
members
of
the
board,
including
those
who
might
be
attending
as
a
substitute
to
introduce
themselves
and
I'm
going
to
go
around
in
alphabetical
order.
So
if
I
can
start
with
helen
bellamy,
please.
B
Thank
you,
kate,
blacker.
Please.
B
Not
sure
if
kate's
with
us
yet
so
we'll
come
back
to
her
tony
britton,
please.
B
Thank
you
councillor
burke,
who
I
believe
is
substituting
for
council
of
bishol
today.
B
F
Good
morning,
councillor
emily
in
wheatwood.
G
Sir,
please
glad
you
look
different
to
me
because
every
time
he
says
flint,
I
nearly
I
nearly
speak
good
morning,
cleveland
councillor
for
adeline,
wolfe,
dale
ward,
better.
Looking
to
me.
B
I
won't
comment:
there
are
some
subtle
differences,
though
celia
foot,
please.
B
Thank
you
councillor
four
says:
please.
B
Thank
you
councillor.
Caroline
gruen,
please.
J
Good
morning,
councillor
caroline
grew
and
I
represent
bramley
and
stanley
ward
I'd
like
to
apologize
to
any
members
of
the
public.
I
cannot
get
my
video
to
work
this
morning
on
my
computer.
That's
where
you
can't
see
me.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Councillor
grant.
I
usually
have
to
apologize
that
I
can
get
my
video
to
work,
so
people
can
see
me,
but
you
have
the
reverse
today,
so
counselor
hussain.
K
B
Thank
you
very
much
councillor
illinois.
Please.
B
Thank
you.
Councillor
lay
please.
B
Thank
you,
councillor,
marshall
catherine.
Please.
E
B
Thank
you,
councillor
renshaw,
please.
B
Thank
you,
councillor
senior.
B
P
Morning,
yes,
apologies
for
my
lateness:
it's
kate
black,
I'm,
the
co-opted
member
for
parent
governors,
primary
schools.
B
Thank
you
and
then
finally,
we
have
a
couple
of
our
supporting
officers
today.
So
angela,
if
you
could
introduce
yourself,
please.
B
Okay,
thank
you
and
you're
all
very
welcome
to
the
meeting
this
morning
and
so
we'll
get
into
the
agenda
I'll
ask
the
executive
members
and
the
other
council
officers
to
introduce
themselves
once
we
get
into
the
relevant
items
and
so
item.
One
is
any
declarations
of
disclosable
pecuniary
interests.
B
And
it
looks
like
we
don't
have
any.
I
don't
have
apologies
down
on
my
agenda,
but
I
know
we
have
a
couple
of
apologies.
I
believe
from
andrew
graham
who's,
a
co-opted
member
and
also
from
jackie
ward
who's,
a
co-opted
member
harriet.
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
others,
that
I've
missed.
P
The
same
as
the
the
apologies
that
I've
got
written
down
chair.
B
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
item
two
is
to
just
we've
got
the
meeting
note
from
our
consultative
meeting
on
the
9th
of
june.
So
I
don't
know
if
anyone's
got
any
issues
of
accuracy
or
of
any
matters
arising
from
that.
B
I'm
not
seeing
any
any
hands
up,
so
that's
good,
so
we
can
get
on
to
the
substantive
items
of
the
agenda.
So
item
three
is
first,
which
is
the
youth
work,
review
and
future
vision.
So
if
I
just
ask
the
executive
members
and
officers
to
introduce
themselves
in
the
first
instance,
so
I've
got
councillor
harland.
Please.
E
B
Okay,
thank
you
councillor
vena,
please.
Q
B
That's
a
very
long
title
and
councillor
prior
please.
R
B
No
problem,
okay,
so
I
think
initially
we'll
hand
over
to
council
harland
to
introduce
this
and
and
then
you
can
invite
anyone
any
of
the
officers
that
you
want
to
to
contribute
as
well
so
over
to
you,
council,
heartland.
E
Thank
you
chair.
I
think
the
report
that
went
to
exec
board
in
april,
ably
taken
through
by
my
predecessor,
councillor
fiona
vena,
is
a
very
comprehensive
review
of
where
we
are.
E
Why
we're
here
and
where
we
want
to
be,
as
we
go
through
the
consultations
and
the
implementations
to
our
data
field
next
year.
I
just
thought
it
would
be
useful
for
this
board
to
take
an
overview
and.
E
And
how
we
progress
so
I'll
leave
it
to
officers
now
to
add
anything
that
they
would
like
to
watch.
S
Sure
so,
just
to
say
that
we've
undertaken
a
really
comprehensive
review
of
youth
work,
provisioning
in
the
city
and
we
consulted
along
the
way,
with
large
numbers
of
children
and
young
people
elected
members,
stakeholders
to
determine
the
model
and
structure
for
the
provision
of
youth
work
in
the
city.
S
What
we
were
clear
about
was
that
we
wanted
to
have
a
clear
vision
for
youth
work,
because
what
that
allows
us
to
do
is
to
clearly
express
what
we
are
trying
to
achieve
in
terms
of
the
work
and
quite
a
lot
of
the
principles
and
values
that
we
base
that
on
our
set
out
in
detail
in
the
report.
But
we
also
wanted
to
give
the
youth
work
service.
S
Some
emphasis,
in
terms
of
it
being
publicly
recognized
and
to
give
staff
and
that
sense
of
how
how
much
it
is
valued
as
a
service
across
the
city,
because
we
know
that
the
approach
that
youth
workers
takes
means
that
they
are
able
to
engage
young
people
in
a
way
that
other
services
are
not
able
to,
and
part
of
that
is
to
do
with
the
youth
work
philosophy
around
around
how
they
interact
where
they
meet
with
the
children
and
young
people
and
and
building
those
relationships
that
are
going
to
help
those
young
people
with
their
social,
emotional
and
educational
development.
S
So
we
we
set
about
that
work.
We
provided
the
report
that
says
how
we
wish
to
take
it
forward
and
it
and
in
effect
what
we've
got,
are
three
strands
to
the
service
and
one
is
a
core
offer
that
will
be
right
across
the
city,
so
that
will
be
undertaken
by
youth
work
services
that
are
based
in
in
the
local
authority.
S
So
there
are
some
places
in
the
city
where
currently,
that
isn't
where,
where
that
provision
is
provided
by
the
local
perspective,
but
that
core
offer
of
that
universal
and
early
targeted
work
that
needs
to
be
undertaken
by
youth
workers
will
be
done
by
and
the
local
authority
and
none
of
the
areas
across
the
city
and
would
lose
out
in
terms
of
the
current
youth
work
resource.
So
we
have
planned
to
deliver
that
in
in
that
way,
which
I
think
is
really
positive.
S
The
service
has,
over
a
number
of
years,
had
to
see
efficiencies
and
reduction,
but
in
this
last
period
of
time,
going
through
the
service
reviews
and
the
cuts
that
we've
had
to
make
right
across
the
council.
The
youth
work
service
has
been
protected
and
in
fact
there
has
also
been
some
additional
investment
in
terms
of
a
recognition
that
we'll
need
to
work
with
children
and
young
people,
particularly
post
pandemic,
in
terms
of
their
in
terms
of
their
mental
health.
S
So
that
first
bit
is
the
is
the
core
offer
that
we've
set
out
again
in
the
in
the
report,
and
then
there
is
a
further
offer
for
the
third
sector
to
provide
services
in
our
areas
where
there
is
and
greater
level
of
demand
and
again,
we've
set
that
up
a
little
bit
more,
and
we
also
wanted
to
have
an
opportunity
for
much
smaller
organizations
who
have
a
different
type
of
reach
in
terms
of
some
of
the
young
people
that
we
want
to
work
with.
S
S
So
that's
how
how
we've
set
out
the
youth
work
offer
where
we've
got
to
is
that
and
we
are
working
on
the
changes
that
are
needed
to
the
car
offer
and
within
the
youth
work
service.
We've
recently
recruited
two
key
management
posts
within
the
youth
work
service,
and
that
will
help
us
to
take
forward
and
implement
all
of
the
work
that
we
need
to
do
there
and
for
the
work
for
the
part
of
the
implementation,
where
we
invite
the
third
sector
to
bid.
S
It
was
agreed
that
that
would
be
done
through
further
consultation
and
we've
undertaken
that
consultation
with
young
people
living
in
the
12
wards
of
highest
needs.
S
We've
had
four
virtual
engagement
and
consultation
events
with
with
partners
and
stakeholders
across
the
city
and
our
commissioning
team
are
now
pulling
all
of
that
information
together
in
order
to
put
forward
a
specification
to
which,
which
organisation
will
be
able
to
that
work
will
be
moving
forward
as
of
the
coming
weeks,
but
the
the
third
part
of
it
was
really
around
the
grants
that
we
offered
and
again
that
grant
window
will
be
opening
from
next
week,
and
so
organizations
will
be
able
to
make
a
bid
for
for
the
work
that
we
need
to
do
that.
S
We
need
to
do
that.
I
think
kind
of
giving
you
an
overview
of
where
we've
got
to
do
with
the
youth
review
and
there's
much
more
detail,
obviously
included
in
terms
of
the
report
that
we've
provided,
but
I'm
happy
to
have
taken
any
questions.
We've
got
ruth
here
with
me
as
well.
If
and
if
you
need
a
bit
more
detail.
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
So
so
so
we're
into
questions
and
comments
at
this
point.
So
I'm
not
in
any
way
surprised
that
councillor
renshaw
is
his
fastest
finger
on
this
one,
but
yeah
go
ahead.
Council
lorenzo.
N
Thank
you
chair,
I'd,
just
like
to
say
a
big
thank
you
to
the
south
south
east
team
that
cover
my
ward,
because,
throughout
the
whole
of
the
pandemic,
they've
delivered
a
service
for
the
young
people,
and
it's
been
so
consistent
and
appropriate
and
effective
that
I'd
just
like
to
pass
on
my
thanks.
What
what
I
am
wondering
about
is
regarding
the
applications
for
the
funding
and
the
grants.
Will
the
local
authority
team
still
be
able
to
put
in
bids
for
that,
or
is
it
just
for
the
third
sector.
S
Well,
having
during
the
consultation,
this
was
one
of
the
key
issues
that
was
raised,
particularly
by
elected
members,
and
so
that
provision
has
been
made
for
the
ability
for
some
of
those
teams
to
be
able
to
bid
for
specific
grants
to
work
with
particular
groups
or
people
that
they
identified
and
used
for
us.
N
Thank
you
for
that.
It's
just
announcing
robin
hood
and
I
know
in
another
world
as
well-
it's
under
the
local
to
actually
deliver
the
youth
service.
So
we
we
rely
on
and
depend
on.
We
get
a
thorough
service
from
our
youth
team
in
as
in
robin
hood,
and
I
just
wondered
if
they
will
be
allowed
to
put
in
bids
for
things
or
are
they
eliminated
from
doing
that?.
S
All
right
councillor
rancho,
they
will
be
able
to.
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
councillor
venna.
Did
you
want
to
contribute.
Q
I
was
just
gonna
answer
that
question.
Actually
so
there's
two
different
parts
of
the
grant
scheme,
so
the
main
contract
is
just
for
the
third
sector
in
terms
of
the
additionality,
but
the
the
smaller
grants
can
be
applied
to
buy
either
the
third
sector
or
or
the
core
council
youth
service,
and
the
reason
for
that
karen
was
it
was.
Q
It
was
a
recognition
brought
to
brought
to
us
by
members
that
in
some
areas
like
where
I
live
in
westlake,
there's
a
really
strong
third
sector
off
for
most
youth
workers
over
by
the
third
sector,
but
actually
in
some
areas,
including
your
area,
that's
not
the
case
and
the
council
youth
works
here.
Is
this
such
a
stronger
offer?
So
it
was
really
to
provide
that
specific
flexibility.
Q
I
just
put
in
a
chat.
I
went
to
your
patch
karen,
which,
from
where
I
live,
it's
like
a
day
trip.
N
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
counselor
flynn.
Would
you
like
to
make
the
point
that
you
put
in
the
in
the
chat
just
for
the
benefit
of
people
that
are
watching
and
can't
see
it.
G
Okay,
yes
thanks,
it
was
just
really
to
give
them
an
early
warning.
Looking
at
the
report,
there's
been
a
problem
identified
about
communicating
the
message
to
to
youngsters
who
say
they
don't
know
about
a
lot
of
what's
going
on,
not
an
unusual
message
back.
I've
sat
through
god
knows
how
many
licensing
meetings
with
taxi
drivers,
including
major
demonstrations
outside
the
civic
hall,
because
they
feel
they
weren't.
G
You
know
communicated
properly
with
that's
not
to
say
basically,
there's
not
been
no
communications,
but
quite
often
we
think
the
communications
where
we're
carrying
out
are
sufficient
when
they're
not,
we
should
be
looking
at
it
from
the
other
end.
So
essentially
how?
Although
the
report
identifies
the
problem,
it
doesn't
doesn't
give
any
solutions
to
it
and
in
a
later
part
of
the
report,
it
does
talk
about
obviously,
resources
being
diverted
into
the
deprived
areas
of
the
of
the
city,
while
also
recognizing
that
more
affluent
areas
also
have
ends
of
deprivation
and
etc,
etc.
K
Although
councillor
flynn,
I
don't
vicky
fuggles,
our
youth
offer
lead
can
come
today
and
she's
on
leave,
so
she
would
be
able
to
give
you
a
bit
more
of
a
detailed
response.
What
I
can
say
is
we've
set
up
a
project
team
now
to
manage
the
implementation
of
the
review.
K
Just
recognizing,
there's
quite
a
lot
in
the
review
that
we
really
need
to
kind
of
get
right
to
drive
forward.
So
the
comms
the
area
around
comes
to
young
people
is
part
of
that
project
team.
So
in
terms
of
the
action
plan
moving
forward,
so
I
can
get
further
details
from
vicky
and
come
back
to
you
with
it
in
terms
of
a
more
detailed
response,
but
just
to
reassure
you.
It
is
part
of
that
plan
that
the
project
team
are
driving
and
leading
on.
G
Thanks
yeah
thanks
very
much
indeed,
for
that
I
my
concern.
Is
it's
not
that
we're
not
good
at
communicating
or
whatever,
because
we
all
think
we're
brilliant,
quite
often
we're
not,
and
it's
how
you
actually
make
sure
that
the
message
you're
passing
out
actually
received
is
received
by
the
people
who
need
it
most.
So
I
don't
want
obviously
to
go
into
any
detail
now,
but
I'd
just
like
to
know
the
project
team
is
looking
at
it
from
the
other
end
and
not
just
from
the
council
end
down.
S
And
I
think
that,
obviously
there's
you
know,
we've
set
out
in
the
report
the
types
of
work
that
the
youth
service
undertaken.
Part
of
that
is,
you
know
there
is
still
the
detached
youth
work.
S
There
is
the
work
that
goes
on
in
terms
of
people
on
the
streets
in
in
communities
and
definitely
need
to
max
out
those
opportunities
to
be
able
to
make
sure
that
we
are
getting
all
the
messages
about
what's
available
and
offer
out
to
some
of
those
young
people
who
are
often
more
challenging
for
us
to
engage,
and
so
we
we
have
built
that
into
the
way
that
we've
structured,
the.
S
Group
to
make
sure
that
we
cover
that
off
in
terms
of
how
we
intend
to
make
that
communication.
J
Thank
you,
chair.
Just
just
a
clarification.
The
brambin
stanley
world
councillors
were
not
able
to
attend
the
the
full
briefing
on
the
youth
service
reorganization,
but
we
were
fortunate
enough
to
have
a
tailor-made
one
organized
for
us
instead,
and
so
we
had
some
quite
detailed
discussion.
One
of
the
things
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
while
councillor
harland
and
sal
were
here,
is
that
in
the
lcc
provision
core
offer
that
we're
all
still
getting
provided
by
the
council,
it
is
still
possible.
J
Is
it
not
for
for
a
third
sector
or
other
organizations
to
deliver
that
on
behalf
of
the
council,
so
it
doesn't
have
to
be
delivered
by
council
youth
workers.
If
there
isn't
the
resource
there
to
do
it,
we
can
still
commission
other
people
for
that
that
lcc
basic
entitlement,
that's
the
first
question
and
the
second
one
is
that
my
understanding
of
the
smaller
of
the
two
pots
of
grants
there
are
in
addition
to
that
now.
J
The
smaller
pot
I
understand
is
for
really
doing
some
quite
exploratory
work
and
and
work
that
takes
more
risks
and
is,
is
a
bit
more
edge.
You
know
I'm
really
excited
by
by
the
possibility
of
having
the
luxury
being
able
to
do
that,
and
I
I
just
wondered
if
anybody
had
any
examples
of
that
kind
of
work
that
you
could
draw
on
for
this
purpose,
because
I
think
it's
really
good
that
we've
actually
given
ourselves
enough
resource
to
to
move
forward
developmentally
in
the
world
of
youth.
J
I
do
have
another
question
which
is
about
quality
assurance,
but
I'll
leave
that
there
chair
and
come
back
if
I've
got
the
time.
B
E
I
think
I'll
I'll
leave
it
to
council
event
and
it
was
who
took
this
report
through
to
the
executive
board
she's
far
more
inside
it
than
the
the
niagara.
That's
just
inherited
it,
but
I'll
leave
that
to
council,
even
if
that
so.
Q
Thank
you
just
to
respond
to
councillor
graham's
question
in
terms
of
the
clarification
point
no,
what's
currently
being
delivered
in
west
leads
by
barca,
and
the
cardigan
center
will
be
delivered
by
the
council's
youth
work
service.
There'll
be
council,
youth
work
in
wesley's,
which
there
hasn't
been
to
this
point.
Q
However,
there'll
be
a
contract
for
north
west
northwest,
as
there
will
also
be
for
east
northeast
and
south
south
east,
which
only
the
third
sector
can
bid
for,
and
that
will
be
a
fight.
The
fight
for
three
to
five
year
contract,
and
I
mean
the
providers
are
aware
of
this
and
council
hound,
and
I
met
mark
law
from
barca
recently
in
in
his
role
as
chair
of
young
lives,
leads
to
look
at
this
in
more
depth.
We're
in
particular
encouraging
consortium
bids
for
for
those
longer
term
contracts.
Q
So
the
current
providers
could
obviously
bid
for
that
third
sector
work,
either
either
single
organizations
or
as
a
consortium
in
terms
of
the
small
parts.
So
so
the
idea
of
the
longest
home
contract
was
to
provide
stability
to
those
sector
organizations
so
that
they
know
they've
got
that
funding
and
they
know
how
much
they've
got
for
three
to
five
years
to
be
able
to
deliver.
You
know
consistent
youth
work.
Q
The
idea
of
the
smallpox
was
to
be
able
to
respond
flexibly,
as
things
come
up
and,
as
I
said
earlier,
that
can
be
bid
for
by
either
the
third
sector
or
or
the
council
an
example
would
be
some
of
the
work.
That's
happened
in
chopra
and
hair
house
around
one
fine
night,
where
organizations
like
catch
and
getaway
girls
have
been
given
some
funding
to
do
diversionary
work,
because
we've
had
problems
in
the
past,
with
young
people
on
the
streets
on
firework
nights,
throwing
fireworks
and
generally
being
disruptive.
So
that's
an
example.
Q
Similarly,
some
of
the
work
around
serious
use
violence
is
happening
at
the
moment,
so
the
the
idea
is
that,
as
issues
come
up,
we
can
we
can
bid
for
time
limited
discrete
projects
it
was
about
having
that
flexibility.
B
B
D
First
of
all,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
report,
which
I
think
is
very
but
I'll.
Ask
you
to
allow
me
a
certain
amount
of
skepticism
since
I've
been
on
this
committee
quite
a
number
of
years,
and
we
have
a
tremendous
number
of
youth
youth
service
reports
which
all
over
the
years
have
disappeared,
partly
because
of
funding,
partly
because
of
staffing
difficulties.
D
You
tell
us
on
this
one
that
this
will
be
implemented
by
the
april
2022,
in
other
words
next
april.
What
I
would
raise
the
question
is:
are
we
guaranteed
the
staffing?
Are
we
guaranteed
the
the
funding
and
the
other
question
is
understanding.
There's
a
statement
in
there
which
says
that
you
do.
We
do
not
currently
have
an
overall
picture
of
the
quantity,
equality
and
impact
of
differing
strands
and
providers
of
youth
work
in
this
city
of
leeds.
D
Have
we
now
got
that
and
then
it
says
it's
not
clear,
consistent
sorry,
it
is
not
a
not
a
clear,
consistent
and
publicized
offer
across
the
city.
Have
we
now
got
that
offer.
S
So,
on
the
first
point,
we
are
we're
on
with
all
of
the
process
to
meet
that
time
scale
for
april
2022.
The
report
has
been
through.
The
review
has
been
through
executive
board,
where
the
decision
about,
and
the
funding
and
the
structure
of
the
of
the
review
was
approved
and
agreed
and
so
will
be
will
be
implemented.
S
One
of
the
things
that
we
are
looking
at
moving
into
next
year
is
whether
there
are
some
other
alliances
that
we
can
make
from
the
youth
work
services.
One
will
be
one
one
of
the
reasons
we're
trying
to
for
having
a
very
clear
vision
and
structure
for
the
youth.
S
Great
service
was
really
that,
and
it
enables
us
then
and
to
look
at
where
we
can
join
things
up
with
other
parts
of
the
system,
so
particularly
things
and
the
reason
that
we've
now
located
it
within
council
harlan's
portfolio
is
that
link
between
youth
and
community
work
and
whether
we
can
really
max
out
the
impact
of
what
we're
doing
in
the
youth
service
by
bringing
it
to
become
more
closely
aligned
with
some
of
the
community
work
that
we
undertake
across
the
city.
But
also
there
are.
S
There
are
additional
finances
available
nationally
and
if
you,
if
we
have
a
very
clear
offer
and
structure
around
youth,
then
that
puts
us
in
a
strong
position
to
be
able
to
make
bids
and
for
that
sort
of
funding,
and
that
was
that
was
part
of
the
work
that
we
did
with
with
the
third
sector.
To
say,
if
we've
got
an
absolutely
clear
and
consistent
approach
to
this,
then
we
will
be
able
to
talk
into
organizations
like
the
national
youth
association
who
came
up
and
spent
time
here
in
leeds.
S
So
I'll
reassure
you
on
that.
I
think
you
know
that
we
do
have
the
plans
in
place.
We've
got
this
project
team,
that's
going
to
oversee
the
implementation,
and
so
I'm
confident
that
we'll
be
able
to
take
that
forward.
S
The
second
point
around
the
quality
assurance
and
it
again
fed
into
the
reason
why
we've
set
up
the
arrangements
in
the
way
that
we
have
so
that
we
are
able
to
much
more
clearly
evidence
the
impact
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
right
across
the
city,
but
also
that
we
put
in
place
quality
assurance
processes
that
measure
that
impact,
so
that,
when
we're,
when
we
implement
services,
when
we
hand
out
the
contracts
that
we're
going
to
be
doing
we'll,
be
holding
those
organizations
to
account
but
we're
also
building
in
that
quality
assurance
to
our
own
youth
work
service.
S
I
think
it's
sometimes
been
an
area
in
the
past
where,
because
some
of
the
engagement
with
with
youth
work
and
community
work,
it
is
based
on
this
idea
of
it
being
voluntary
that
sometimes
people
have
found
it
hard
to
describe
the
impact
that
it's
having.
Although
quite
often,
what
we
do
get
is
the
feedback
from
particularly
from
elected
members
about
how
important
it
is
to
them
in
their
communities.
S
But
what
we're
building
in
is
the
quality
assurance
mechanisms
that
will
allow
us
to
assure
and
show
impact,
and
so
again
the
project
team
will
be
leading
on
how
we,
how
we
implement
those
and
that
will
be
built
into
the
commissioning
that
we're
doing
for
the
third
sector.
Part.
B
Yep
no
thank
you
tony.
If
I
can
just
take
chairs
privilege
of
following
on
from
tony's
point,
because,
like
him,
I've
been
on
this
board
for
a
long
time
and
about
100
years
ago
I
was
responsible
for
the
youth
service
and
there's
been
similar
issues
recurring
over
that
time.
One
of
the
things
I
find
is
that
sometimes
I
the
offer
is,
is
patchy
and
different
around
the
city.
B
In
some
cases
there
are
community
groups
who
do
youth
work
better
than
we
can
in
those
communities.
One
springs
to
mind
is
the
hunslet
club,
who
I
know
have
800
young
people
attending
on
a
wednesday
evening
at
five
o'clock,
which
is
astonishing
and
a
reach.
I
don't
think
we
could
match
anywhere
in
the
city,
but
sometimes
there's
a
culture
not
everywhere,
but
in
in
some
parts
of
the
service
that
we
know
best
and
when
it's
blatantly
apparent
in
some
communities.
N
S
I
I
agree
with
what
you've
said,
and
I
think
part
of
the
part
of
how
we
arrived
at
this
structure
that
we've
come
up
with
is
entirely
to
tackle
some
of
those
issues,
and
so
and
that's
why,
in
council,
venezuelan
city
council
of
heroin,
you
know
we
have
said
that
the
caller
offer
will
be
the
core
office
so
that
it
there
is
a
level
of
consistency
in
terms
of
what
is
provided
by
the
local
authority.
S
You've
got
then
some
additionality
that
comes
in
in
terms
of
the
contracts
that
will
be
built
that
will
be
on
an
area
basis
for
the
third
sector
and
then
a
mixed
economy
for
smaller
organizations.
S
You
know
some
of
the
work
that
you're
people
very
being
able
to
and
build
that
kind
of
a
response
in
their
own
communities
fits
into
that
part
of
it,
and
but
also,
I
think,
the
bit
that
we've
just
talked
that
I've
just
talked
about
there
with
in
relation
to
the
work
with
their
communities
in
environments.
S
Like
you
know,
that's
a
really
important
aspect
of
this
and
we
did
consult
with
organizations
who
have
set
up
and
developed
in
the
way
that
you,
in
the
way
that
you
describe
you
know
with
the
recognition
that
they
have
reached,
that
traditional
services
may
well
not,
and
so
you
know
it's
our
intention
that
we
really
do
max
max
out
that
whole
thing
about
here's,
the
core
offer
from
the
local
authority.
S
Here's
the
third
sector
here
are
the
smaller
grants
that
are
available,
and
how
does
that
link
to
community
development
and
organizations
that
set
themselves
up
because
they
are
driven
by
the
needs
of
their
very
localized.
B
F
Oh,
thank
you
yeah.
I
am
youth
work
trained
and
have
three
teenagers,
so
I
really
welcome
the
report
and
all
the
work
that's
gone
into
it.
I
just
wondered:
if,
like
in
the
way
forward,
is
there
a
way
to
kind
of
formalize
opportunities
to
share
good
practice?
F
So
I
think
there's
just
such
brilliant
youth
work
happening
throughout
the
city
like
in
small
ways,
but
a
lot
of
people
don't
know
about
it,
and
I
think
there
could
be
some
really
good
learning
from
things
that
are
already
happening
and
youth
workers,
in
my
experience,
you
know,
are
very
generous
in
kind
of
sharing
ideas,
and
I
think
it
would
be
good
for
the
city
if
there
was
kind
of
established
ways
to
kind
of
for
that
to
happen
and
that
you
know
particularly
youth
work
where
young
people
are
encouraged
to
take
the
lead.
F
I
think
you
know
the
best
way
of
engaging
young
people
is
not
to
provide
programs
that
are
done
to
them,
but,
to
kind
of
you
know,
encourage
ideas
from
them
and
follow
their
interests
and
issues
that
they
care
about
and
there's
good
work
happening
in
the
city.
Where
that
you
know
is,
is
really
taking
place
and
where
the
young
people
are
invested
in
and
are
kind
of
central
to
the
service
that
is,
you
know,
is
happening
and
I
think
that's
the
most
effective
way.
S
So
thank
you
for
that,
and
a
really
helpful
insightful
comment
comments
that
you've
made
there
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
as
part
of
as
we
were
developing
some
of
the
review.
S
The
other
thing
that
we
were
really
conscious
of
was
what
we
were
hearing
back
from
people
in
terms
of
how
valued
these
the
services
are,
but
we
weren't
necessarily
picking
up
the
same
value
from
the
people
who
are
engaged
in
the
work,
and
so
we
really
wanted
to
try
and
improve
the
esteemed
stairs
for
youth
work,
and
I
think
one
of
the
ways
in
which
we
wanted
to
do
that
was
by
having
that
really
clear
vision.
About
saying
this
is
how
we
want
youth
work
to
look
in
our
city.
S
These
are
the
things
and
the
principles
that
we
base
really
good.
Quality
youth
with
common
bees
are
worth
celebration,
and
so,
unfortunately,
obviously,
we've
had
the
pandemic
in
the
last
year.
But
prior
to
that,
we
did
hold
the
first
city-wide
youth
work
conference,
which
was
entirely
for
that
purpose,
which
was
to
kind
of
give
it
a
sense
of
status
to
celebrate
the
work
that
people
are
doing.
Young
people
contributed
to
the
and
to
the
contributions
we
have
people
from
the
profession,
contributing
third
sector
involved.
S
National
youth
association
can't
change
along,
and
so
I
think
as
a
it's
our
intention
to
continue
with
that.
We
always
just
want
to
move
through
the
pandemic
to
really
give
that
status
and
lead
from
the
top.
In
terms
of
saying,
this
is
really
important
for
the
city,
but
to
use
it
as
an
opportunity
to
celebrate
and
learn
from
all
the
various
different
types
of
work
that
we
can
then
showcase
across
the
piece.
S
But
I
also
think
that
that
learning
and
that
you've
described
and
will
be
built
into
that
quality
assurance
process
that
we
will
be
developing
and
so
we'll
take
that
again.
We'll
take
that
back
through
the
projecting
to
ensure
that
peer
learning
is
related
to
that
into
what
we're
into
what
we're
doing.
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
sal
and
now
currently
the
list
of
people
wanting
to
contribute
is
getting
longer
rather
than
shorter.
So
if
I
could
encourage
brevity
but
without
stifling
the
debate,
so
next
on
the
list
is
councillor
lay
please.
M
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you
interesting
report.
It's
just
a
couple
of
areas.
I
want
to
tease
out
a
bit
more
information
really
as
a
relatively
that's
a
new
member
of
this
committee.
M
Really,
if,
if
I'm
right,
I
understand
that,
there's
this
sort
of
continuum,
this
spectrum
between
universal
provision,
that
the
council
provides
something
like
a
youth
activities
fund
for
that
that
provides
for
you
universal
universe,
at
a
universal
service
right
through
to
targeted
services
in
our
most
deprived
and
our
most
difficult
to
reach
communities
and
young
people
etc,
and-
and
my
questions
really
come
off
of
page
24
of
the
report.
M
If
people
have
got
the
report
in
so
we
talk
about
no
ward,
having
a
reduction
in
council
delivered
youth
work
that
that's
pleasing,
because
obviously,
we've
all
due
to
budget
cuts
seen
seen
cuts
over
a
number
of
years.
M
I
just
wanted
to
sort
of
tease
out
because
it
says
that
youth
work,
youth
work,
addresses
issues
faced
by
all
young
people,
irrespective
of
the
background
and,
of
course,
coming
from
a
semi
rural
community
like
oatley
and
eden,
or
a
major
settlement
outside
of
the
city
and
outside
of
that
sort
of
inner
outer
ring
road.
M
We
as
board
members,
see
lots
of
pressures,
and
some
of
it
is
alluded
to
about
mental
health,
peer
pressure,
bullying,
etc,
and
then
two
paragraphs
later
it
talks
about
having
a
greater
focus
on
the
more
deprived
areas
and,
and
I'm
just
wondering
how
how
we
get
the
balance.
I
can
understand
how
we
function,
because
I
can
see
the
the
formula
about
40
of
11
to
17
year
olds
and
60
on
deprived
areas,
but
there's
no
correlation
to
say
well.
M
Actually,
there
are
non-deprived
areas
that
have
youth
work
issues
because
we
recognize
it
ourselves
in
the
paragraph
after
that
says,
there's
poor
mental
health
there's
peer
pressure.
So
I'd
like
to
understand
where
this
youth
work
fits
in,
that
sort
of
universal
at
one
end
target
at
the
other
end,
and
to
be
reassured
that
there
is
going
to
still
be
a
focus
in
our
rural
and
semi
rural
areas,
because
you
know
we
make
reference
to
county
lines
and
and
other
problems
and
from
our
communities.
M
We've
also
seen
cuts
in
other
areas.
So
that's
where
the
working!
The
second
part
of
my
question
comes
about
working
together
we
have
less
police
officers,
less
police
community
support
workers
in
our
areas.
How
are
we
working
with
schools
and
clusters
in
in
in
our
in
our
major
settlements
in
in
places
like
where,
where
we
live,
I
can
understand
how
we're
working
together
in
the
more
deprived
area,
and
that's
really
what
I'm
trying
to
tease
out,
if
I
can
that
we're,
not
forgetting
the
rural
communities
like
like
my
own.
B
Okay,
thanks
councillor,
I
can
certainly
relate
to
to
those
points.
South.
S
Oh,
I
think
it's.
S
We
recognize
that
there's
been
reductions
of
over
the
over
the
years
and
this
part
of
this
review
was
about
ensuring
that
there
wasn't
a
reduction
in
any
in
giving
area
and
from
the
from
the
core
offer
that
we're
making
from
the
local
authority
as
councillor
better
outlined
earlier
on.
There
were
areas
where
there
was
no
call
offer
provided
by
the
local
authority.
So
we
have
worked
we're
working
through
that
to
make
sure
that,
from
that
universal
and
targeted
approach
that
we
take,
that
all
of
the
city
is
covered.
S
Part
of
the
role
of
our
staff-
and-
I
think
part
of
you
know
part
of
some
of
the
strengths
that
we've
identified,
that
we've
had
fed
back
to
us
through
this
process
of
consultation,
has
been
about
the
fact
that
they
understand
and
link
to
their
local
communities
and
and
part
of
their
role.
S
Make
sure
that
you
know
whether
it
is
a
rural
community
or
in
a
city
community
that
they've
got
the
right
links
and
relationships
across
those
communities
to
make
sure
that
where
children
and
young
people
need
a
service
that
that
is,
that
is
provided
now.
Whilst
so,
the
other
bit
of
that
again
is
the
point
that
you're
making
there
about
reductions
in
public
services
in
general.
That
is
forcing
people
to
kind
of
look
at
what
else
is
there
in
a
particular
area?
S
And
how
do
we
join
those
things
up
and
I
think
part
of
that
pushes
the
bit
about
politically.
We
have
sat
the
youth
work,
servicing
and
council
highlands
portfolio
in
order
to
be
able
to
pull
on
those
links
across
the
communities
and
environments
portfolio,
but
also
with
other
partners
and
state
other
partners
and
stakeholders.
S
But
we've
kept
it
professionally
within
children's
services
because
of
the
link
to
underground
the
link
to
all
of
the
early
help,
work
that
we
do
all
of
the
other
early
help
services
that
there
are
particularly
our
early
help
hubs,
but
also
the
relationships
that
are
critical
with
the
schools
and
the
clusters
and
the
capacity
that
we
can
tap
into
there.
So
and
we
are,
you
know,
it
is
our
plan
to
make
sure
that
there
is
a
continued
service
right
across
the
city.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
so,
council
illinois,
please.
L
Yes,
sir,
thank
you.
Yes,
I
was
accusing
the
comments
of
previous
speakers
last
few
minutes.
I
would
like
to
see
a
much
more
detailed
breakdown
of
the
cash
flows
involved
in
this
delivery.
I'm
amazed
I'm
delighted
by
the
report.
Essentially,
I'm
you
know,
talked
a
bit
saying
it's
excellent,
moving
in
the
right
direction.
How
will
it
be
paid
for?
How
can
we
afford
to
do
this
and
how
will
the
money
distribute
down
to
individual
local
areas?
S
Possible
thanks
counseloring
with
castlevania.
Were
you
looking
to
come
in
on
this
one.
Q
S
Q
Q
Last
year,
when
we
were
doing
the
budget
setting
about
where
we
would
cut
the
you
know,
we
were
looking
at
a
deficit
of
118
million
indeed
for
this
financial
year,
and
it
was
absolutely
a
political
decision
not
to
cut
use
work
I
mean
I
would
use
workers
had
about
three
million
taken
out
of
it.
Up
to
this
point,
the
service
has
reduced
from
five
million
to
two
million
over
the
last
ten
years,
but
we
didn't
cut
youth
work
when
we
did
cut
other
areas.
Q
Children's
services
were
very
protected
in
the
budget
cuts
and
within
children's
services.
Youth
work
was
very
protected,
so
it's
not
that
it's
got
additional
money,
but
it's
that
we've
we've
protected
it
and
and
the
way
the
formulas
worked
out
is
it's.
I
mean
we
can
give
you
the
detail.
Q
Obviously,
if
you
wanted,
but
it's
basically
a
percentage
attached
to
deprivation
and
a
percentage
attached
to
population
and
as
I've
said
before
on
this
board,
the
wards
of
the
highest
declaration
have
the
highest
birth
rate,
so
gibson
and
her
hills
has
the
most
children
living
in
that
area
and
it's
the
most
deprived
wards
of
all
33
in
the
city.
So
that's
how
the
formulas
works
out.
There
is
some
additional
analysis.
Q
Having
just
said
what
I
have
in
that
the
money
that
counselor
blake
when
she
was
cancelled
before
she
was
a
baroness
and
the
money
that
she
pledged
for
children.
Q
Young
people's
mental
health
is,
in
this
part
in
the
life
coach
workers,
which
will
become
part
of
the
team
of
the
council's
internal
youth
work
service,
and
that
gives
them
the
capacity
to
do
more
individual
work
in
all
wards
of
the
city
that
will
be
in
all
33
awards,
so
life
coaches
will
be
able
to
do
individual
work
with
young
people
where
particular
issues
are
identified,
like
like
mental
health
and
and
the
other
thing
about
keeping
use
work
service
is.
Q
Q
Some
of
that's
money
that
may
come
to
the
council,
like
through
the
violence
reduction
unit,
but
also
the
partnership
with
the
third
sector
and
I've
worked.
I've
worked
to
bark
around
the
marketplace
in
terms
of
our
own.
You
know
our
youth
charities
in
the
city,
they're
charities,
so
they
can
apply
for
funding.
We
can't
apply,
for
they
can
apply
to
charitable
trusts
and
match
fund
in
effect
funding.
Q
L
B
H
Thank
you.
Yes,
it's
it's
good
to
see
youth
service
again
being
a
focus,
and
I'm
just
wondering
about
traveller
children,
young
people
I
may
have
missed
it.
I
mean
a
lot
of
specific
groups
are
mentioned
in
the
document,
but
is
there
any
strategic
provision
being
made?
I
know
we've
got
three
static,
sights
in
leeds
and
one
of
the
high
schools
I've
worked
at
did
take
a
number
of
children
from
those
sites
and
there
are
times
when
they're
put
under
a
lot
of
pressure.
H
So
just
wondered
if
there's
some
provision
for
addressing
their.
S
Issues
what
we're
doing
in
terms
of
looking
at
some
of
those
some
of
those
challenges
I
mean
they,
they
they
are
part
of
their
communities,
that
we
say
we
do
have
specific
gypsy
roma
traveler
services
affiliated
with
the
youth
service,
but
we
put
councillor
benner
is
taking
the
lead
and
looking
at
the
issues
in
terms
of
how
well
we
support
those
communities
more
more
broadly
as
well.
Q
We're
looking
at
various
issues,
including
negotiated
stopping
particularly
because
of
the
implications
of
the
police,
crime
and
sentencing
bill
for
gypsies
and
in
my
adults,
portfolio.
There's
a
huge
issue
of
mental
health
and
suicide
in
the
community
and
on
the
children's
side.
Our
biggest
priority
is
the
lack
of
access
to
education.
So
we
are
doing
some
really
focused
work
with
the
gypsy
and
traveller
exchange
gate
who
are
the
the
charity
and
leads
who
support
support
the
community
and
a
predominant?
Q
I
think,
half
their
trustees
and
half
their
staff
are
from
the
gypsy
and
traffic
communities,
they're
a
really
good
advocacy
organisation
and,
as
I
said,
we
do
have
youth
work
that
specifically
supports
the
community,
but
also
youth
workers
will
work
really
flexibly
as
needed.
So
over
lockdown
I
had
a
number
of
encounters
in
my
own
ward,
one
of
which
had
a
lot
of
children
and
the
youth
service
came
in
really
quickly
and
did
some
direct
work
with
the
kids
just
while
they
were
with
us,
which
wasn't
for
very
long.
Q
So,
yes,
it
is
quite
a
big
focus
for
the
council
at
the
moment,
and
youth
work
is
is
engaged
with
the
gypsum
traveler
community.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
So
does
that
answer
your
question
celia.
B
Okay,
thank
you
councillor
four
say
thanks.
Please
thank
you
for
your
patience.
I
That's
right,
thank
you
I'll,
try
to
be
brief.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
the
report
and
for
us
being
given
the
opportunity
to
discuss
this
in
detail.
I
do
welcome
the
link
with
the
with
the
communities
putting
this
working
together.
So
that's
very
good
and
thank
you
as
well
for
the
opportunity
for
war
councillors
to
in
the
more
deprived
wards
to
have
been
consulted
on
that.
So
that's
a
very
good
move
as
one
in
the
west
northwest
areas,
and
so
this
is
quite
a
specific
question
really
in
the
third
sector.
I
Organizations
that
we'll
be
applying.
Will
there
be
any
mapping
to
ensure
that
what
they're
planning
to
do
will
cover
all
of
those
particular
areas
that
they
are
applying
for.
I
don't
know
if
I've
explained
myself
very
well,
but
I
I
for
example
barker.
Would
that
will?
Will
there
be
a
mapping
to
ensure
that
all
of
the
areas
and
having
enhanced
provision
will
be
provided
for?
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
a
plan
for
for
that.
Thank
you
very
much.
S
That
will
be
set
out
as
part
of
the
commission
that
people
will
tender
again,
so
they'll
need
to
cover
off
how
all
the
organization
will
meet
those
needs
that
are
set
out
in
that
specification.
Yeah.
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
councillor
renshaw.
Please.
N
I
just
wondered
if
I
know
we've
had
like
a
long
period
of
austerity
and
I'm
really
pleased
to
see
this
youth
paper
coming
to
children's
services
at
last,
and
I
just
wondered
about
the
mobile
provision
and
the
the
states
of
those
vehicles
that
they
use
for
the
more
value
service,
because
obviously
the
the
and
I
just
wondered
if
anything
was
being
set
aside
to
either
replace
them
or
upgrade
them
or
update
them,
because
technology
moves
on
and
so
does
everything
else
with
it
and
they've
had
you
know,
because
there's
no
no
real
buildings
in
many
areas
that
the
youth
service
can
access.
S
Well,
I
I
mean
I
I
don't
know
the
detail
of
that.
I
don't
know.
If
ruth
does,
I
think,
but
what
I
would
say
in
and
but
we
can
come
back
to
you
with
a
more
detailed
answer
unless
ruth's
got
a
vehicle
and
report
on,
but
part
of
that
whole
idea
around
the
link
with
with
communities.
Environments
is
also
about
making
sure
that
we
are
maximizing
all
of
the
resources
that
we've
got
across
across
the
council
and
the
third
sector.
S
So
buildings
are
one
of
those
things
that
we
that
we're
doing
that
mapping
exercise
for
to
ensure
that
where
we
do
need
that
type
of
provision,
we're
looking
right
across
the
council
to
see
on
or
what's
available,
but
unless
it
doesn't
know
about
the
vehicles
and
we'll
come
back
to
you
with
a
bit
more
detail
on
the
outside.
K
K
So
I
don't
have
the
finer
detail
in
terms
of
how
it's
going
to
look,
but
it
is
absolutely
on
the
agenda
and,
as
sal
mentions
as
well,
we're
working
really
closely
with
safer
communities
and
our
asset
management
colleagues
around
the
buildings
as
well,
just
in
terms
of
trying
to
increase
now
that
center-based
provision,
but
also
you
know
to
do
that
as
safely
as
we
possibly
can.
So
we're
kind
of
slowly
moving
towards
being
able
to
enhance
that
and
particularly
over
the
summer-
and
I
can
get
you
some
more
detail
as
well.
N
Sorry
that
would
be
really
helpful.
Thank
you
because
I
do
know
that
sometimes
the
youth
service
has
difficulty
because
of
the
sudden
issues
with
the
vehicles.
E
N
I
don't
want
to
think
that
young
people
can't
receive
that
quality
service
in
the
south
south
east
that
they
do
currently
get
due
to
the
breakdown
of
a
vehicle.
Thank
you.
B
J
It
was
a
comment
first
of
all,
there's
mention
in
the
report
of
the
youth
work
curriculum
and
that's
the
first
time.
I've
ever
heard
that
term
and
I'm
assuming
it
means
the
curriculum
for
those
who
are
training
to
be
youth
workers,
rather
than
any
curriculum
for
young
people.
Just
clarification
on
that
really,
and
the
other
thing
is
there's
quite
a
lot
of
reference
to
what
sal
referred
to
earlier
in
the
debate
about
quality
and
outcome.
Monitoring,
quality
assurance
of
youth
work
is
something
I've
banged
on
about.
J
Q
It's
it's
a
very
positive
mood
forward
really
and
for
us,
it
kind
of
fits
with
things
like
the
youth
work
conference
that
sal
mentioned
earlier,
because
particularly
having
having
worked
in
youth
work
services,
though
not
as
a
used
worker
actually
but
as
a
counselor.
But
I've
been
really
passionate
about
youth
workers
should
have
the
same
parity
as
teachers
and
social
workers
in
terms
of
their
respect
for
their
profession
and
their
particular
skills
and
and
then
and
that's
that's
a
campaign.
Q
The
national
youth
agency
is
very
strong
on
so,
yes,
it
is
about
it's
about
the
training
abuse
workers
rather
than
rather
than
the
curriculum
for
young.
Q
J
About
quality
assurance,
oh.
Q
Yeah
yeah
yeah.
Similarly,
this
is
something
this
is
something
I've
really
pushed
on
in
the
role
I've
been
in,
not
least
because
in
having
delivered
third
sex
services
for
a
long
time
it
felt
like
we
were
always
very
monitored
and
evaluated
and
that
wasn't
always
always
replicated
in
terms
of
the
council's
internal
service.
Q
So,
yes,
we
we
want
to
have
a
really
clear
monitoring
evaluation
framework
for
youth
across
the
city
that
covers
both
our
internal
service
and
our
external,
and
I
know,
we've
been
in
some
of
the
same
meetings
where
we've
both
been
saying.
This
is
telling
us
how
many
people
physically
came
to
the
youth
accession.
It
doesn't
tell
us
anything
about
the
outcome
of
that
so,
and
I
think
I
mean
you'd
set
you'd
set
the
monitoring
and
evaluation
within
the
contract.
Q
Specification
it'd,
be
part
of
the
contract
specification
and
you
would
want
some
output
related
data
like
how
many
people
attend
events
and
from
what
areas,
but
the
outcomes.
Well,
you
would
set
the
outcomes
according
to
what
you
wanted
to
achieve,
so
outcomes
might
be
around
less
people
being
neat.
They
might
be
about
reduced
loneliness
and
isolation.
Q
Better
capacity
to
manage
mental
health,
for
example,
less
risk
around
self-injury
county
lines,
depending
on
the
work
you're
doing
with
individual
young
people,
and
there
are
various
tools
you
can
use
to
monitor
that,
and
you
can
monitor
short,
medium
and
long-term
outcomes.
So
you
can
ask
young
people
to
just
give
you
feedback
on
a
particular
session
in
terms
of
do
you
feel
better
having
left
than
you
did
when
you
arrived?
Q
Similarly,
though,
if
you're
working
with
young
people
over
a
long
period
of
time,
you
can
monitor
things
like
whether
they
can,
you
know
manage
their
mental
health
better,
whether
they're
attending
school.
More
so
you'd
set
some
monitoring
evaluation
for
you
to
broad
monitoring,
evaluation
framework
within
the
contract
and
then
reporting
on
that
contract.
Q
The
individual
organizations
would
also
set
out
how
they
were
going
to
monitor
those
outcomes,
and
that
would
be
a
mix
of
quantitative
and
qualitative
feedback,
and
you
could
do
case
studies
as
well
in
terms
of
more
in-depth
looking
at
particular
young
people
and
the
work
organizations
have
done
with
them.
So
that
seems
a
bit
waftly
coming
out
of
my
mouth.
Does
that
answer
your
question?
Yes,.
B
B
What
are
the
outcomes
as
I've
just
been
discussed,
so
I
don't
know
if
sal
has
a
particular
view,
but
I'm
wondering
if
perhaps
we
ask
for
this
to
come
back,
maybe
around
march
april,
in
advance
of
of
it
going
live
next
year
for
an
update
as
to
where
we've
got
two.
Does
that
sound
reasonable?
So.
Q
B
Yeah
and
obviously
I'm
sure
angela
will
have
captured
that
there's
quite
a
few
bits
of
specific
information.
I
think
the
board
would
like
to
to
see
as
part
of
of
that
update
and
really
this
measuring
impact,
and
I
I
quite
quite
how
to
do
it.
B
I
don't
know,
maybe
through
case
studies
but
as
always,
it
would
be
really
useful
to
understand
how
young
people
feel
about
the
service
and
that
have
used
it
and
if
there's
any
way
to
get
the
views
of
those
who
don't
access
the
service
and
the
reasons
why
they
don't
access
it.
I
think
that
would
be
useful
to
to
here
as
well,
if
that's
possible,.
S
Historically,
I
did
crash
out
there,
I
think,
for
a
while,
but
happy
to
bring
that
back
the
work
around
and
what
the
quality
assurance
will
look
like
you
know,
will
be
managed
by
the
the
project
team,
but
it
absolutely
has
to
have
a
hit
the
views
and
responses
from
young
people.
S
There
is
that
bit
of
an
attempt,
then,
to
capture
anything
that
we
can
from
young
people
that
don't
find
it
helpful
or
don't
don't
feel
that
he's
able
to
engage
them
on.
But
obviously
there
are.
There
are
difficulties
with
that,
but
it
should
be
something
that
we
should
try
and
capture.
B
Okay
right
well,
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
So
that's
been
a
useful
session,
so
we're
moving
on
now
to
the
item
on
exclusions,
elective
home,
education
and
off
rolling.
The
purpose
of
this
item
is,
as
members
will
remember,
we
gave
a
commitment
to
recommence
our
inquiry
work
this
year
in
relation
to
this
issue,
and
so
the
report
that
you've
got
provides
a
summary
of
the
work
undertaken
so
far
by
the
board,
as
well
as
presenting
the
latest
data
that
will
assist
members
in
determining
the
appropriate
next
steps.
B
So
what
we're
looking
for
is
the
views
of
members
and
officers.
The
world
has
moved
on
quite
a
bit,
but
it
doesn't
mean
this
issue
is
any
less
important
to
us
and
we've
expressed
repeatedly
that
we
do
want
to
come
back
to
it.
So
the
purpose
of
this
is
really
a
scoping
exercise,
so
that
angela
can
capture
precisely
what
we
want
to
look
at
now.
B
There's
always
a
risk
when
we
do
this,
that
we
actually
start
running
an
inquiry
session
which
we
need
to
try
and
avoid.
But
members
should
feel
free
to
to
make
comments
or
ask
questions
that
will
just
help
us
to
to
scope
out
where
we're
going
to
go
next
and
if
it
feels
like
we're
straying
into
an
inquiry
already,
then
I
will
just
gently
step
in
and
rein
us
back
on
track.
So
we've
got,
we
should
have
councillor
prior
councillor,
venera
and
sal.
B
Staying
with
us,
I
don't
know
if
councillor
harland
is
going
to
stick
around
you're
more
than
welcome,
as
always.
E
B
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
so
and
if
I
can
ask
sal
initially
just
to
just
to
share
any
views
that
he
has
at
this
point
on
where
we've
got
to
and
where
he
sees
the
important
next
steps
for
the
inquiry
and
then
I'll
ask
the
executive
members
to
chip
in
and
then
we
can
go
into
comments
from
board
members
and
responses
or
questions
if
that's
appropriate
so
over
to
you
sal.
Please.
S
Thanks,
I
will
bring
valiant
on
this
on
on
this
bit
council
on,
because
I
think
she'd
had
consistent
involvement
in
the
inquiry
from
the
beginning,
but
and
there's
some
updated
data
that
I
might
just
share
with
you.
That
may
help
guide
how
we
want
to
take
this
forward
and
also
just
about
when
the
specific
data
releases
are
around
the
information
that
we
will
have
so
that
it
can
and
productively
form
part
of
the
inquiry
as
we
move
forward.
S
I
don't
know
well
if
you
want
to
just
give
a
bit
of
that
overview,
and
then
council
prime
may
have
some
views
as
well.
C
Yeah
no
problem
sal.
Thank
you.
Yes,
so
we
presented
lots
of
information
on
exclusion
on
fixed
term
exclusion
and
permanent
exclusion.
Also
on
elective
home
education.
I
think
it
was
last
november-
was
really
the
full
report.
C
Usually
we
provide
reports
around
the
november
time
because
the
data
that
we
get
from
the
dfe,
the
verified
data
on
exclusion
comes
through
to
local
authorities
in
the
july,
and
then
you
need
time
to
compare
that
to
the
information
we
get
in
through
census
as
a
local
authority
and
also
then
to
analyze
that
data
verify
it
and
then
produce
reports.
So
it's
usually
about
november
time
that
we're
able
to
put
all
of
that
information
together
and
then
be
able
to
present
it
back
to
boards.
So
that's
sort
of
the
context
around
this.
C
Of
course
the
data
is
always
lacked,
so
the
information
that
we
get,
that
is
on
fixed
term
exclusion,
is
always
liked
and
it
so.
The
last
data
that
we
had
that
was
verified
was
18,
2018
2019.
C
So,
although
we
do
get
information
from
individual
schools
reporting
into
the
local
authority,
that's
usually
again
a
term
lagged
and
it's
not
verified,
and
we
do
find
that
there
are
inconsistencies
in
the
overall
picture
to
that
that
we
do
get
back
from
the
dfe.
C
You
know
over
the
last
what
15,
16
months
now
more
than
that
in
terms
of
covid,
so
exclusions
as
such
within
schools
were
suspended
because
of
school
schools
and
were
stood
down,
and
we
only
had
children
attending
with
education,
health
and
care
plans
and
those
that
were
vulnerable.
So
we
have
been
in
a
situation
where
we
are
not
able
to
analyze
the
data
over
a
long
period
of
time
or
where
actually,
we
were
not
accepting
fixed
term
exclusions,
because
fixed
term
exclusions
were
not
operating
during
that
period
of
covid.
C
So
there's
lots
of
things.
I
suppose
that
I'm
saying
that's
around
the
entire
context
of
where
we
compare
data
that
we've
previously
had
2018-19
to
data
that
we
have
currently
got.
However,
we
have
got
some
recent
unverified
data
that
is
starting
to
come
in
that
we're
starting
to
collect
within
the
local
authority
and
what
we
have
started
to
do
with
that
data
is
actually
contact.
C
Where
the
information
at
the
moment,
although
I'm
verified
that
data-
and
we
have
to
be
very
cautious
with
that,
it's
looking
as
if
we
have
higher
numbers
of
fixed
term
exclusions
in
the
west.
So
we've
already
started
two
of
those
projects
off
talking
to
partners
and
from
september
we'll
be
rolling
those
out,
and
that
will
be
a
multi-agency
response
working
with
the
schools
to
work
with
those
young
people
and
those
families
in
terms
of
elective
firm
education.
C
I
think
the
last
time
I
was
reporting
it
looked
as
if
the
numbers
in
elective
firm
education
were
going
down.
We'd
had
quite
a
few
young
people
that
were
returning
back
into
school,
and
that
was
around
the
february
march
time.
What
we
have
now
seen
yet
again
is
actually
numbers
in
elective
home
education
rising.
C
So
we
have
now
got
around
about
900
young
people
that
are
being
electively
home
educated
within
the
city.
The
normal
figure
for
leads
is
round
about
650
per
year,
so
you
can
see
that's
a
significant
number
and
then
through
covert
it
rose
to
about
840,
something
like
that,
and
now
it
is
rising.
Yet
again,
when
we've
started
to
look
at
that
data
and
that
information,
it
seems
to
be
families
rather
than
individual
young
people
that
belong
to
a
family.
C
It
could
well
be
that
that
picture
changes
in
september
and
that
families
are
waiting
until
we've
got
through
these
summer
period.
They
just
felt
that
actually
returning
to
schools
just
a
little
too
soon.
You
know
this
term.
So,
by
the
end
of
the
autumn
term,
we
should
be
able
to
again
look
at
the
picture
around
elective
home
education,
the
number
of
new
notifications
and
the
number
of
young
people
that
are
returning
back
into
school.
B
Okay,
thanks
counselor
prayer,
so
and
just
by
way
of
reminders,
there's
four
things
really
that
we
need
to
consider.
One
is
around
time
scales
to
to
really
commence
the
inquiry
work,
my
view
and
I'll
see
if
others
share
it.
Given
what's
been
said
about
the
timing
of
data,
it
seems
to
me
it
would
make
sense
to
look
to
november
or
december
to
pick
this
up
again,
so
that
we're
working
with
the
freshest
data
that
we've
got
rather
than
looking
back
and
we'll.
B
B
Thirdly,
are
there
any
key
witnesses?
We
want
to
engage
with
in
future
evidence
sessions
and
finally,
are
there
any
other
co-op
teas?
We
should
be
considering
to
join
us
as
part
of
the
inquiry,
so
there
are
a
few
people
have
indicated
already,
but
if
you
kind
of
keep
those
four
things
in
mind
and
if
anyone
wants
to
express
a
particularly
strong
view
on
any
of
those
things,
that
would
be
really
helpful.
So
I've
got
tony
first
of
all,
please.
D
D
The
other
thing
is
that
I
I'm
quite
concerned
the
figures
for
exclusions,
for
these
leads
everywhere
else
seems
to
be
quite
low,
but
east
leeds
seems
to
be
able
to.
Is
that
the
same
skill?
Is
that
all
the
schools
taking
into
account
there's
that
one
school
or
what?
Because
it
is
quite
worrying?
D
And
I
do
notice
in
this
morning's
bible,
I
ie
the
yorkshire
evening
post
that
there
is
a
scheme
up
in
the
east
gleads,
which
has
got
run
by
some
ex-policemen,
which
would
in
actual
fact
be
useful
to
call
in
to
give
evidence,
since
it
seems
to
be
having
an
impact
in
the
area.
D
B
C
Yeah
just
to
respond
in
terms
of
permanent
exclusions.
I
think
we
do
have
to
put
it
in
context
that
as
a
city,
we
have
got
the
lowest
number
of
permanent
exclusions
in
the
country,
we're
in
the
top
quartile
for
exclusion.
So
we've
got
very,
very
low
numbers
and
some
of
those
did
pertain
to
one
particular
area
within
the
city.
Often
we
do
find
that
as
new
academies
come
into
the
city
and
we
start
to
work
with
those
academies
of
what
support
is
available
to
them
and
what
we
can
put
in
place.
C
So
we
have
to
remember
as
well
that
that
was
last
year
and
things
have
changed
you
know
throughout
the
year,
but
that,
yes,
you
know
we
did
have
a
picture
where
we
did
have
a
few
exclusions
from
particular
areas
within
the
city.
But
it
is
such
small
numbers.
You
know
when
you
compare
that
to
the
national
picture.
D
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that,
and
so
it's
councillor,
marshall
qatar.
Next,
please.
E
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
val
for
your
third
update,
two
questions
here
and
I'm
asking
specifically
on
the
fixed
time,
exclusions
and
elective
home
education.
Could
we
ask
and
I'm
glad
with
the
time
scales
that
you
have
given
as
well?
E
Could
we
ask
for
the
information
on
schools
in
the
city
with
the
highest
numbers
of
both
fixed
term,
if
that's
possible,
so
if
that
could
be
provided
to
us
and
chair,
could
I
ask
that
we
actually
invite
the
head
teachers
or
ceos
of
those
schools
with
the
highest
number
to
our
next?
Our
next
meeting
that
went
where
we're
going
to
be
dealing
with
this.
If
that's
all
right.
B
Yeah
that
seems
sensible
to
me
councillor,
marshall
catong,
so
I'm
sure
angela's
got
got
that
noted
down.
So
next
on
the
list
I
have
councillor
four
says:
please.
I
Oh
right,
thank
you
very
much.
The
one
of
my
first
points
about
areas
to
explore
just
been
mentioned
about
sort
of
seems
to
be
some
schools
with
much
much
higher
levels
of
exclusion.
So
that's
one
area
to
explore
on
the
time
scales.
I
would
agree
with
november
december,
sounds
good
other
areas
to
explore.
So
there
was
a
note
right.
It
was
said
in
the
report
pointing
out
about
there
being
the
five
extra
areas
which
are
for
reasons
for
exclusion
and
about
school
behavior
policies.
I
The
advice,
that's
called
behavior
policies
needed
to
be
updated,
so
I
do
wonder
whether
we,
whether
that
should
be
a
particular
area
of
focus
as
to
how
that
might
be
planning
out
the
other.
My
other
concern
is
about
the
education
plans
for
the
ehe
pupils
and
how
those
are
assessed,
and
presumably,
with
this
great
increase
in
the
numbers
who
are
opting
for
home
education.
I
I
mean
how
that
is
how
that's
working
out
really,
because
so
a
bit
of
a
question
really
is
how
is
an
education
plan
deemed
not
suitable?
You
know
what
what
what's
the
criteria
for
that
really
and
I'm
particularly
concerned,
obviously
about
the
about
the
pupils.
I
Who've
got
education,
yes,
education
plans
who
are
special
needs
as
well,
so
those
are
yes
particular
areas
as
the
key
witnesses
if
we
were
able
to
actually
take
any
information
from
any
who
are
home
schooled,
especially
if
it's
whole
families
who
are
thinking
about
who
are
now
doing
that,
and
also
possibly
those
who've
been
permanently
excluded
in
the
past.
I
don't
know
whether
that
would
be
possible,
but
it
would
seem
to
be
a
good
idea
for
key
witnesses
if
that
was
a
possibility.
B
Okay,
thank
you
councillor
forsyth,
so
I've
got
kate
next.
P
Please
thank
you.
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
I
recall
when
we
were
looking
at
this
previously
that
we
did
have
some
data
provided,
and
it
was
interesting
to
scrutinize
that
that
I
remember
looking,
I
think
I
seem
to
recall,
might
be
wrong
in
my
recollection
of
this
file,
but
I
seem
to
remember
that
our
figures
for
leads
were
really
good
on
permanent
exclusion,
but
not
so
good
on
fixed
term
I
might
be.
P
I
might
have
misremembered
that,
but-
and
I
I
recall,
making
a
point
previously
around
the
fact
that
obviously
schools
are
free
to
set
their
own
behavior
policies
and
that
some
seem
to
opt
for
a
much
more
traditional.
P
I
suppose
hardline
policy,
whereas
others
go
for
more
of
a
restorative
justice
type
policy,
and
it
would
just
be
interesting
to
look
at
if
there's
any
correlation
between.
P
I
don't
know
if
we
can
do
this
if
it's
practical
or
not,
but
if
there's
any
correlation
between
the
numbers
of
fixed
term
or
permanent
exclusions
and
the
type
of
behavior
policy
that
they
have
in
place
and
how
closely
those
individual
schools
are
actually
following
the
statutory
guidance
on
exclusions
as
well
and
in
terms
of
witnesses.
I
completely
agree
that
if
we
can
hear
from
from
children,
young
people
and
families
directly,
that
would
be
really
informative,
and
I
think
it's
really
important
as
well
to
give
them
a
voice.
P
P
Because
I
think
you
know
that's
really
worrying.
That
they've
gone
up,
because
we
know
from
the
imposed
home
the
imposed
home
education
on
children,
that
it
impacted
on
socialization
and
mental
health
and
well
in
lots
of
ways.
P
And
I
think
we
need
to
sort
of
look
quite
closely
at
you
know
where
it
is
genuinely
a
choice
and
where
it's
families
feel
it's
sort
of
imposed
on
them.
Although
they're
making
that
choice.
So
it's
also
imposed
on
them
by
virtue
of
the
effects
of
the
pandemic,
so
they're
just
sort
of
different
areas
that
I'd
kind
of
like
to
look
at
a
bit
more
closely.
Sorry,
I've
rambled
a
bit.
B
O
Observation,
I
think
when
we
first
started
this
piece
of
work,
I
think
it
was
possibly
getting
on
for
82
years
ago
now,
and
the
picture
has
changed
from
what
I
think
those
schools
that
were
further
up
the
the
league
table.
If
you
will
have
now
moved
down,
others
have
moved
up
and
the
picture
is
quite
transient,
and
I
I
think,
given
the
year
we've
had
getting
an
accurate
picture
of
where
we
are,
is
going
to
be
quite
difficult.
O
I
think,
in
terms
of
time
scales
from
my
point
of
view,
I
would
be
saying
that
in
the
sort
of
november
october
november
time
we
really
ought
to
be
having
an
update
on
those
elective
home
education
stats
to
see
whether
we've
managed
and
from
a
board
point
of
view,
we'd
be
looking
at
what
work
has
gone
in
from
the
council
to
build
confidence
with
those
families
who
are
reluctant
to
come
back
into
school
because
of
kobe
et
cetera.
O
So
we
could
have
a
look
back
at
that
and
see
some
actual
data,
possibly
at
that
point
and
then
probably
push
forward
the
the
bits
around
exclusions,
etcetera,
maybe
into
spring
22.
O
Where
we'll
have
a
good
amount
of
data,
hopefully
by
then,
even
if
it's
not
hard
day
so
it'll
be
so
localized
data
to
see
and
where
we
are
at
that
point
and
what
we
can
do
and
at
that
point
have
a
conversation
with
with
the
the
invitees
that
we
just
mentioned
just
so,
we
can
actually
look
at
where
we
are
at
now.
My
fear
would
be
that,
otherwise
we
could
end
up
having
a
conversation
as
a
board
and
we
could
end
up
pointing
fingers
at
certain
schools
based
on
information.
O
That's
now
out
of
rapidly
out
of
debt
and
doesn't
reflect
where,
where
the
city
is
now
so
and
that'll
be
my
view,
I
think
the
focus
first
of
all
ought
to
be
on
that
elective
home
education
and
see
what
we're
doing
around
that.
Given
the
impact
curve,
it's
had.
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
helen
is
next
please,
and
then.
C
Celia
sorry,
you
took
me
by
surprise
then
yeah
just
to
ask
how
strong
are
the
links
between
the
youth
groups
and
those
schools
where
there
are
higher
levels
of
permanent
or
temporary
exclusions
in
the
city.
B
I
I
wonder
if
helen,
if
that
might
be
something
to
hang
fire
until
we're
actually
doing
the
the
inquiry,
but
if
officers
can
be
prepared
to
bring
some
information
about
that
that
when
we,
when
we
pick
it
up,
that
would
be
useful.
If
that's
okay,.
C
B
H
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
this
is
this
relates.
My
first
point
relates
to
the
point
that
kate
brought
up
about
behavior
policy.
I
noticed
the
the
numbers
of
exclusions
for
physical
and
verbal
assaults
on
pupils
and
on
staff,
so
I'm
thinking
maybe
looking
and
it
could
be
through
looking
at
the
behavior
policies,
how
those
returns
to
school
are
managed
in
order
that
the
staff
and
pupils
feel
safe
and
it's
a
successful
return.
H
A
number
of
pupils
are
kept
at
home
because
they
feel
they
are
bullied
and
parents
want
to
keep
them
safe,
so
it
relates
sometimes
to
the
non-attenders
and
going
on
off-roading.
I'm
wondering
if
it'd
be
interesting.
Looking
at
the
figures
for
off-roading
we've
not
had
exams,
have
we
for
a
couple.
H
Comparing
the
figures
for
off-roading
during
times
when
we
have
exams
and
times
when
we
didn't
have
exams
because
of
corporate.
B
Okay,
thank
you
celia
and
then,
if
I
can
just
chip
in
one
thought
I
have
on
evidence
gathering
in
my
ward
in
wetherby,
we
have
well,
I
think
the
pc
name
is
the
secure
college
of
learning
or
the
young
offenders
institution
which
the
the
last
time
I
visited.
B
I
think
there
were
272
young
people
there
and
it
would
be
interesting
to
hear
some
of
their
stories
because
in
many
cases
the
temporary
exclusions
followed
by
permanent
exclusions
start
a
spiral
rather
than
actually
resolving
the
issue
and
it'd
be
useful
to
to
hear
some
of
their
stories
and
perhaps
what
could
have
been
done
differently,
because
my
view,
always
when
I
go
there
is
we've
failed,
every
single
one
of
them.
That's
in
there
and
it's
useful
to
to
understand
the
journey
they've
been
on
to
get
there.
So
I
don't
know
angela.
B
If
that's
something
we
could
perhaps
organize
a
small
working
group
to
go
and
visit
and
talk
to
some
of
some
of
those
young
people
and
hear
their
experiences.
So
that's
that's
everyone
who
wanted
to
to
contribute.
So
I
don't
know
if
councillor
pryor
or
sal
or
val
or
dave
of
any
other
thoughts
they
want
to
contribute
on,
what's
been
said
or
any
particular
things
they
would
like
to
highlight
before.
I
ask
angela
to
sum
up.
R
Nothing,
nothing
major.
I
think
I
think
that
all
makes
sense.
I
think,
having
the
meeting
in
the
meeting
covering
this
in
october
november
was
it.
I
think
that
makes
sense
as
well
so
you've
got
kind
of
the
most
recent
data
and
actually
is,
as
next
academic
year
will
be
the
first
having
exams
in
a
while.
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
have
that
early
on
in
that
academic
year,
which
you
would
fall
so
yeah
just
an
agreement.
R
S
No,
from
my
point
of
view,
I'm
happy
with
those
contributions.
Yeah.
B
A
Yeah,
certainly
so
in
terms
of
the
the
four
areas
so
what
I've
captured.
I
think
we've
all
agreed
the
timing
so
no
earlier
than
november,
so
we
probably
scheduled
the
first
session
in
the
november
bar
meeting
in
terms
of
key
areas.
There's
been
discussion
about.
I
know
I
mentioned
about
permanent
exclusions,
but
are
there
particular
key
areas
across
the
city
that
we
would
need
to
look
at,
in
particular,
information
about
schools
with
the
highest
fixed
term?
A
Exclusion
numbers
would
be
good
to
have
that
data
school
behavior
policies
was
certainly
a
key
issue
raised
in
terms
of
the
type
of
policies
any
correlations
in
terms
of
over
the
past
year
as
well,
and
how
schools
are
dealing
with
the
return
of
schools
and
the
impact
of
young
people
during
the
pandemic,
as
well
in
november,
particularly
looking
at
the
rates
of
elective
home
education
and
what
works
being
done
since
families
have
returned
in
the
in
the
autumn
term.
A
Particular
links
with
youth
work
provision
any
correlations
there
in
terms
of
the
data
looking
at
figures
of
off-roading
again,
particularly
reflecting
on
the
last
year
and
in
terms
of
key
witnesses
looking
to
invite
head
teachers
or
representatives
of
of
school,
certainly
and
they'll
gauge
the
appropriate
timing
of
that
as
part
of
the
the
terms
of
reference,
certainly
about
getting
the
views
of
young
people
and
their
families,
particularly
those
that
are
linked
with
elective
home
education
and
pupils
who
have
been
permanently
excluded
as
well
and
linked
to
that
about
getting
the
experiences
of
young
offenders.
A
We've
not
touched
upon
about
co-opted
members,
and
we
can
pick
that
up
at
the
next
meeting.
If
you,
if
you
would
like
to,
I
do
know
that
there
has
been
work
done
by
the
third
sector
in
particular
in
young
lives,
leads
around
exclusion,
so
I
think,
last
month
we
did
talk
about
perhaps
having
a
standard
co-opted.
Member
with
that
co-opted
member,
perhaps
could
be
a
representative
that
has
primarily
undertaken
the
work
around
exclusions.
That
might
be
an
option
that
the
board
would
like
to
think
about.
A
So,
hopefully
I've
I've
covered
quite
the
wide
range
there.
That
we've
just
discussed
what
will
happen
next
is
that
will
then
be
reflected
into
a
draft
terms
of
reference
document
that
I
will
be
bringing
back
to
the
next
meeting
formal
meeting
of
the
board,
so
there
will
be
a
further
opportunity
to
check
that
we're
happy
with
the
scope
before
we
do
start
undertaking
and
resuming
the
inquiry
again.
Thank
you,
chad,.
B
H
If
I'm
here,
just
adding
to
what
the
point
you
made
about
the
secure
college
of
learning,
there's
also
adelbeck
that
comes
under
the
authority,
that
might
prove
interesting
thanks.
B
A
Thank
you
chair.
So
this
report
relates
to
the
board's
forthcoming
work
schedule,
and
so
last
month
members
discussed
possible
areas
of
work
for
the
boardroom
to
take
this
year,
and
so
the
latest
version
of
the
board's
work
schedule
which
set
out
an
appendix
one,
has
been
drafted
to
reflect
the
board's
discussion.
But
members
are
asked
at
this
stage
to
consider
and
discuss
whether
they
would
like
to
make
any
suggested
changes
at
this
stage.
A
Obviously,
reflecting
on
the
discussion
we've
just
had,
I
will
provisionally
look
at
putting
some
evidence
sessions
in
there
for
next
time
as
well
within
the
main
body
of
the
report.
Reference
is
also
made
to
the
board's
draft
report
around
tackling
the
long-term
impact
of
code
of
19
on
children
and
families.
A
At
that
stage,
it
was
proposed
that
a
draft
report
summarizing
board's
views
and
potential
recommendations
arising
from
its
march
discussion,
but
also
reflecting
development
since
march,
be
considered
and
formally
approved
by
the
board
during
july
meeting.
But
as
this
is
now
a
consultative
meeting,
the
board
is
unable
to
finally
approve
the
report.
Today.
A
However,
as
part
of
this
work
scheduling,
the
chair
would
still
like
to
provide
an
opportunity
for
members
to
share
any
initial
views
that
members
may
have
on
the
drafting
party
at
this
stage,
so
that
this
can
be
reflected
as
part
of
the
final
draft,
which
will
then
be
brought
to
the
next
formal
public
meeting
for
approval.
A
So
a
copy
of
the
draft
report
will
circulate
separately
to
board
members
in
advance
of
today's
meeting
and
if
the
board's
happy
to
discuss
the
report
today,
then
we
can
also
arrange
for
it
to
be
made
publicly
available
on
the
council's
website.
Supplementary
information
immediately
following
this
meeting
so
I'll
pass
back
to
you
now.
B
Thank
you
angela,
so
any
comments
on
either
work
program
in
general,
or
does
anybody
want
to
make
any
comments
on
the
report
that
I'm
gonna
refer
to?
I've
got
councillor
rentshaw.
Please.
N
Thank
you
chair.
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
or
useful,
at
least
to
have
a
report
from
the
children's
centers
in
early
years,
because
a
lot
of
the
children's
sector
services
as
far
as
I'm
aware
of
being
impacted
on
by
the
corvid
and
they've,
been
doing
outreach
work
to
families
of
young
people.
B
Yeah,
I
think
we
usually
schedule
that
in
at
some
point
during
the
year
anyway,
I
can't
remember
exactly
when,
but
I'm
sure
we
can
make
that
happen
anyway.
Council
lorenzo
councillor
venna,
please.
Q
Thank
you
chair.
I
just
had
a
couple
of
comments
on
the
draft
report.
I
think
it's
really
good.
These
are
things
I
thought
should
be
added.
I
thought
what
was
there
was
excellent,
although
it's
referred
to
extensively
in
the
report
and
also
when
the
young
people
came
to
us,
they
talked
extensively
about
this.
Q
Mental
health
is
a
to
in
the
body
of
the
report
quite
a
lot,
but
there
aren't
there
isn't
a
recommendation
that
relates
to
mental
health,
and
I
wondered
if
you
wanted
to
put
in
something
about
continuing
to
monitor
the
impact
on
children,
young
people's
mental
health
and
our
partnership
approach.
To
dealing
with
that.
I
know
we
said
we'd
bring
back
the
future
in
mind
strategy,
but
it
felt
that
felt
like
an
omission
that
there's
not
a
recommendation
about
mental
health
and
similarly
there's
not.
Q
I
thought
we
put
a
bit
light
on
poverty
and
the
the
impact
of
the
expected
increase
in
poverty
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic.
We've
got
in
the
autumn
like
a
correlation
of
not
that's,
not
not
not.
The
right
word,
like
a
constellation
of
like
furlough,
ending
the
20
pound
uplift
on
universal
credit,
ending
and
the
what
started
being
called
the
winter
support
grass
ending
at
all
at
the
same
time,
and
the
child
party
and
pet
board
will
obviously
keep
keep
working
on
that.
Q
But
it
feels
like
that
there
also
should
be
some
some
recommendation
around
child
poverty
and
how
this
this
sport
monitors
our
work
on
that.
So
those
would
be
my
two
suggestions.
I
think
the
mental
health
fallout
and
the
economic
impact
of
the
pandemic
are
as
significant
as
the
educational
impact,
and
the
report
feels
very
weighted
towards
education
and
particularly
in
the
recommendations.
B
Yeah
thanks
councillor
vena
and
just
by
way
of
reminder
we're
due
to
track
this
again
in
november,
and
I
think
the
view
of
the
board
is
that
this
was
a
starting
point
of
a
piece
of
work
to
identify
the
areas
that
we
need
to
look
at
in
more
detail,
and
I
think
we
did
discuss
it
at
the
pre-meeting
and
the
view
of
the
board.
Collectively,
I
think,
is
really
it's
too
soon
to
say
what
the
long-term
impacts
are,
and
so
we've
been
looking
for
this
to
be
tabled
again
in
september.
B
We
are
due
to
track
all
of
the
things
that
you
mentioned
around
mental
health
around
poverty
in
november.
So
it's
certainly.
This
is
more
the
starting
point
rather
than
an
end
point,
and
I'm
certain
there'll
be
more
recommendations
and
more
work
for
us
to
do
on
those
on
those
issues.
So
councillor
gruen
next
and
then
councillor
renshaw.
Please.
J
The
long-term
impact
is-
and
I
wondered
if
a
way
of
dealing
with
that
might
be-
to
identify
a
cohort
of
children
and
young
people,
who've
experienced
the
full
pandemic
and
track
them,
because
I
think
the
recovery
will
take
years
actually,
and
it
will
be
interesting
to
know
what
the
long-term
impact
might
be,
either
on
their
learning
or
mental
health
or
in
any
other
way.
I
think
it
could
be
two
to
three
to
four
years
before
we've
got
an
idea
whether
kovid
has
actually
had
a
permanent
impact
on
the
ocean
people
as
they're
growing
up.
B
Sorry
poor
form
from
me,
so
thank
you,
councillor,
gruen
and
councillor
renshaw
is
next.
Please.
N
Thank
you
chair.
I
just
think
child
poverty
would
be
a
really
important
one
and
a
crucial
one.
As
parents
are
coming
off
furlough.
I
think
there's
going
to
be
a
an
impact
on
families
and
young
people,
so
I
think
that
would
be
an
important
one
to
have
probably
september
october
time.
B
Okay,
councillor
marshall
katong,
please.
E
Mr
claire,
what
I'd
also
like
to
see
is
actually
also
the
impact
on
students
and
specifically
for
class
of
2020
and
2021,
those
that
were
in
year,
11
going
into
sixth
form
and
those
who
were
in
year
13
going
into
university
how
it
has
affected
them.
Obviously
they
are
going
to
be
the
two
only
two
sets
so
far
who
who
have
had
to
go
through
and
the
sad
experience
of
not
writing
exams
or
have
written
exams.
We've
only
been
in
school
for
two
or
three
months.
E
You
know
in
the
whole
and
the
whole
time,
so
it
will
be
very,
very
important
to
see
the
impact
and
in
terms
of
going
forward
what
schools
have
actually
done
to
give
some
room
to
to
those
students,
knowing
they
haven't,
had
the
full
learning
that
other
kids
in
full-time
years
have
been
able
to
gain
competitiveness.
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
Counselor,
marshall,
kathryn!
Okay!
Is
there
any
any
other
comments
on
the
work
schedule
or
on
the
draft
report
so
andrew?
Would
it
might
just
be
helpful
if
you
just
clarify
what
the
plan
of
attack
is
with
this?
Please.
A
Yes,
thank
you
yeah
just
to
to
reiterate
again
so
that
the
draft
report's
been
shared
today,
obviously
for
initial
views.
So
thank
you
for
those.
It
will
need
to
come
back
in
september
or
the
next
formal
public
meeting
of
this
board
for
formal
ratification.
A
A
I
know-
and
it's
already
in
the
work
schedule
about
actively
tracking
the
implementation
of
the
refreshed
future
in
mind,
strategy
which
is
scheduled
for
november
and
also
the
leeds
child
poverty
strategy,
which
is
already
on
the
schedule
for
september
and
picking
up
other
key
issues
that
will
probably
come
out
from
its
ongoing
inquiry
around
exclusions,
elective
home
education
and
the
recommendations
themselves
is
just
picking
up
on
other
key
areas
that
perhaps
we
hadn't
already
identified
in
our
work
schedule.
So
I
know
about
the
the
early
help
and
prevention
work.
A
Let's
review
work,
that's
happening
likewise
with
the
work
that's
ongoing
at
the
moment
around
early
years,
so
the
recommendations
really
is
about
ensuring
that
street
needs
engaged
in
those
pieces
of
work
as
well.
So,
as
I
said,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
feedback
and
it
will
be
coming
back
in
september
for
far
more
approval.
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that,
angela,
okay,
so
that
brings
all
of
our
business
to
a
close
for
this
morning.
So
thank
you
very
much
to
everybody.
Who's
participated
and
contributed,
as
ever.
We've
covered
a
lot
of
ground
today
and
there's
a
lot
of
work
for
us
to
crack
on
with
through
the
year.
The
date
and
time
of
the
next
board
meeting
is
scheduled
for
the
15th
of
september
at
10
a.m.
B
I
very
much
hope
we'll
be
able
to
to
do
that
in
person,
in
which
case
I
will
make
sure
there
are
excellent
biscuits
provided
for
forstead
meeting,
but
obviously
that
will
all
be
under
review
depending
on
what's
going
on
at
the
time,
and
I
think
if
we,
if
we
know
anything
now,
the
the
new
normal
is
uncertainty,
and
so
we'll
we'll
see
where
we
are,
but
one
way
or
another,
we
will
see
each
other
at
10
a.m
on
the
15th
of
september.
So
thank
you
all
very
much
indeed,
and
see
you
next
time.