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From YouTube: Leeds City Council - Infrastructure, Investment & Inclusive Growth Scrutiny Board - 24th June 2021
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A
I'm
not
seeing
there
we
go
so
good
morning.
Everyone
welcome
to
the
june
meeting
of
the
scrutiny
board.
The
actual
status
of
the
meeting
is
a
remote
con
consultative
meeting
and
he's
based
basically
on
the
way
the
council
and
scrutiny
boards
have
decided
to
operate
in
the
light
of
current
covid
restrictions,
and
if
any
members
of
the
public
want
further
details
about
that,
then
please
feel
free
to
contact
us
through
the
various
mechanisms
that
it's
available,
I'm
going
to
start
by
asking
board
members
to
introduce
themselves.
A
B
Thank
you
chair
good
morning,
everyone,
it's
jonathan
bentley,
I'm
counsellor
for
wheat
woodward
and
it's
my
new
member
on
this
board,
but
have
been
on
several
scrutiny
boards
over
the
last
10
years
or
so.
C
Yes,
thank
you
chair
neil
buckley,
I'm
the
councillor
for
woodley.
A
Welcome
to
youtube
bob
councillor,
hesselwood
who's,
substituting
for
council
harry
for
saying.
A
Welcome
julian,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
stepping
in
actually
you're
you're
deputizing.
Sorry
you're
substituting
for
councillor
goddard
as
opposed
to
councillor
is
saying
who's
actually
next
on
the
list.
So
thank
you
for
stepping
into
the
breach
at
such
short
notice.
It
is
appreciated
counselor
saying
my
apologies.
A
Okay,
councillor
martin
has
had
to
pop
off
to
deal
with
an
emergency
but
hopes
to
join
us
in
due
course,
and
here
she
is
hi
lisa
you're
just
in
time
to
introduce
yourself.
H
H
Sorry
elected
in
may
this
year.
E
Good
morning
chair,
it
is
councilman
shazad
from
the
martin
armenian
world
and
I'm
on
my
third
year
of
being
on
this
board
now.
Thank
you.
J
A
A
Okay,
well
moving
on
to
the
formal
items
of
the
agenda,
because
this
is
a
consultative
rather
than
formal
public
meeting
of
the
board,
we're
able
to
dispense
with
some
of
the
normal
introductory
housekeeping
items
on
the
agenda.
So
the
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
declaration
of
disclosable
pecuniary
in
interest.
I've
not
received
any
notification
of
that
and
I'm
assuming
that
everyone's
notifications
are
in
order
and
they've
got
no
specific
notification
to
make.
A
But
if
you
have
please
shout
out
I'll
move
on
to
agenda
item
2,
which
is
the
minutes
of
the
previous
meeting
held
on
the
7th
of
april
and
in
my
time,
honored
fashion,
I
will
go
through
page
by
page.
Please
shout
out
a
if
there
are
any
corrections
to
be
made.
If
you
were
a
member
of
the
board
at
that
time
or
any
matters
arising
that
you
wish
to
to
bring
to
the
attention
of
the
board,
so
I'm
going
through
page.
A
Okay,
if
there
are
no
amendments
or
matters
arising,
I
will
seek
the
approval
of
the
next
formal
public
meeting
of
the
board
to
sign
those
as
chair
as
a
correct
record
right.
That
brings
us
on
to
agenda
item
three
scrutiny
board
terms
of
reference,
all
wonderful
reading.
A
I
keep
it
by
my
bedside
when
I'm
having
sleep
problems,
but
I
don't
know
becky
whether
you've
got
any
points
to
raise
on
this.
Basically,
we
just
note
these
every
year.
A
Okay,
so
that
takes
us
on
to
page
31
agenda
item
four,
and
that
is
the
performance
update.
As
I
explained
to
those
members
who
attended
the
the
pre-meeting.
We've
actually
done
this
in
two
tranches.
Some
of
the
reports
back
on
the
the
kpis
came
to
our
previous
meeting,
but
unfortunately
we
couldn't
cover
them
comprehensively
because
they
were
offices
who,
mainly
due
to
cover
considerations,
were
not
able
to
to
compile
the
reports
or
to
attend
the
meeting.
A
A
K
A
See
yeah
good
morning.
Oh,
oh
sorry,
helen!
You
change
your
hairstyle
every
time.
You
see
you
what's
the
fact
that
I'm
as
blind
as
about
without
my
reading
specs
on
right,
okay,
so
starting
with
councillor
hayden,
I
will
ask
her
and
the
officers
attending
for
this
item
to
introduce
themselves
so
helen.
K
Hi
good
morning
and
thank
you
chair,
it's
lovely
it's
great
to
be
here
this
morning
and
I'm
not
going
to
say
much
about
performance
report,
although
I
will
leave
that
to
the
officers.
Although
I'd
like
to
thank
each
and
every
one
of
er,
everyone
involved
in
the
last
year,
in
all
the
departments
that
are.
K
Featuring
this
report
for
their
great
work
under
very
difficult
circumstances
that
we've
all
had
to
deal
with
over
the
last
15
16
months,
so
it's
it's
different
to
how
a
performance
report
would
normally
be.
But
I
think
we
all
appreciate
that-
and
I
just
want
to
thank
all
the
staff
for
their
adaptability
for
the
way
that
they
switched
roles
are
adapted
to
and
responded
to
the
needs
of
the
people
in
leeds
for
the
last
year.
K
It
has
brought
some
benefits
to
some
schemes
like
the
road
schemes
and
because
of
the
lack
of
traffic
over
the
over
the
lockdowns,
so
which
I
mean
there
wasn't
many
upsides
to
a
global
pandemic,
but
there
have
been
in
this
in
in
some
in
some
areas,
so
I'll
leave
it
there
chair.
But
thank
you
very
much.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
introduction
helen.
I
think
we
should,
we
would
all
say,
amen
to
the
the
brilliant
work
that
our
officers
have
undertaken
during
the
course
of
the
pandemic
and
are
continuing
to
to
do
so.
I
will
go
through
the
list
of
introductions
next
on
my
list.
Martin
farrington.
G
Thank
you
chair,
I'm
eve,
routers,
I'm
the
chief
officer
for
culture
and
economy.
M
Morning,
chair
martin
elliot
head
of
strategic
planning.
A
Appears
not
gary
bartlett,
don't
see
gary
anywhere.
At
the
moment
tim
we
definitely
do
have
tim.
E
Morningshare
morning,
everyone
I
work
with
tim
in
the
intelligence
and
policy
service
pulling
the
reports
together.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
thank
you
chris.
I
don't
have
anybody
else
on
my
list
attending
for
this
item,
although
I
noticed
that
there
are
some
offices
who
I
think
have
come
in
before
the
item
for
which
they
are
attending.
A
I
would
just
say
by
way
of
introduction-
and
I
think
probably
this
will
be
said
by
some
of
the
officers-
that
clearly
some
of
these
figures
have
a
major
time
lag
on
them,
like
we
only
get
some
of
the
figures
for
2019
well
into
period,
almost
18
months
after
the
year
to
which
they
apply,
we've
obviously
got
the
impact
on
some
of
the
kpis
of
of
covid
and,
as
I
said
previously,
some
of
the
the
kpis
have
been
addressed
at
at
a
previous
meeting,
so
to
make
the
whole
process
a
little
bit
more
digestible.
A
I
think
if
we
could
start
off
by
someone
introducing
targets
or
kpis
one
to
seven
which
basically
fall
under
the
umbrella,
the
economy
and
then
we've
got
a
couple
relating
to
housing.
Then
cuts
a
few
relating
to
to
training
education,
but
could
we
start
off
with
the
the
first
seven
that
relate
to
economic
issues
and
who's
going
to
do?
That
is
that
you,
martin
or
or
eve.
L
If
I,
if
I
just
do
the
the
general
introduction
of
them
counselor
trustwell,
and
then
we
can
refer
any
specific
questions
to
whoever's
best
to
to
answer
them,
if
that
works
for
you,
okay,
thank
you.
Okay,
so,
in
terms
of
the
kpis
on
the
first
tranches
the
chair
outlines,
the
first
is
employment
in
leeds.
L
This
is
green
in
terms
of
the
the
rag
rating
of
the
indicator
of
the
2019.
Revised
provisional
number
for
employment
is
473
0005..
This
is
a
marginal
increase
from
the
471
200
confirmed
in
2018,
with
unemployment
between
january
and
december
2020
running
at
4.1
in
terms
of
gva.
L
This
is
one
that
has
the
chair
outlined.
Has
that
lag
time,
so
the
2019
result
is
not
yet
available.
The
2018
result
was
reported
to
quarter.
Two
was
reported
to
the
quarter,
two
of
the
infrastructure
board
meeting
on
number
of
new
business
startups
that
has
a
rating
of
green.
L
L
that
sits
against
a
target
of
4338
on
number
four,
the
number
of
new
business
scale-ups
the
result
for
2019
is
585..
This
is
a
new
measure,
so
it's
not
directly
comparable
with
the
previous
year,
which
was
467.
L
on
number
five
business
survival
rate.
The
2020
result
is
due
in
november
2021,
so
we'll
be
able
to
report
it.
L
The
2019
result
reported
to
quarter
two
of
the
of
this
board
meeting
and
then
on
item
six
changing
business
rates
since
2017
re-evaluation
that
has
an
indicator
of
red
the
20
20
21
result
is
462.9
million.
That's
a
reduction
of
4.1
million,
so
0.9
on
the
2017
re-evaluation
in
terms
of
headline
issues.
There
are
backlogs
in
the
business
rates,
team
and
value
of
office
agency,
which
they're
now
clearing.
L
There
has
been
a
slight
increase
since
april
the
1st,
which
does
demonstrate
a
reversal
of
previous
trends
and
then
on
number
seven
on
visitor
economic
impact.
The
2020
result
is
not
yet
available,
but
the
2019
result
reported
to
quarter
two
of
this
board
meeting
so
that
that's
a
headline
summary
of
those
first
seven
indicators.
Council
trust
more.
G
Just
a
couple
of
couple
of
points,
so
we
do
have
more
up-to-date
information
about
unemployment
figures
that
we
receive
on
a
monthly
basis
on
furlough
which
which
members
may
be
interested
in
so
the
uc
claimant
count
for
may
was
47
061,
it's
still
on
an
upward
trend.
At
the
moment
we
perhaps
expect
to
fall
for
june
after
the
17th
of
may
changes
to
restriction.
G
It
reduced
in
april
to
37
000
a
reduction
of
22,
which
again
is
probably
indicative
of
the
changes
to
restrictions
as
the
economy
opens
up,
and
there
is
a
significant
lag
on
some
of
the
kpi
data.
That's
reported
here.
So
in
terms
of
the
future
reports
to
scrutiny
board
chair,
I
would
expect
some
of
these
numbers
to
go
down
even
while
they
might
be
going
up
in
you
know
in
in,
in
the
lived
experience
of
numbers
going
up.
If
that
makes
sense.
G
A
Okay,
thank
you
eve.
I
don't
know
about
other
members
of
the
board,
but
I
can
hear
radio
or
television
in
the
background.
So
could
I
just
ask
all
all
members,
apart
from
me
too,
to
mute
their
microphones
unless
they're
they're?
Actually
speaking,
does
anyone
have
any
questions
on
those
first,
seven
indicators?
B
With
here
we
go
thanks
very
much.
I
I
just
thought
this
really
really
good
report
lots
of
numbers,
which
you
often
think
as
a
character.
I
wonder
what
you
know
and
then
you
realize
they're
they're
here
all
the
time,
so
just
a
question
on
business
startups,
I
I
I
saw
the
definition
is
based
on
either
company's
company's
house
and
business
bank
account
openings.
B
Obviously,
companies
tax
will
pick
up
limited
limited
company
data
and
business
bank
account
speak
for
itself,
but
I
just
wonder
whether
there's
any
indication
of
smaller
businesses
than
that
people,
who
perhaps
you
know
the
one-man
bands,
who
obviously
won't
go
through
a
company's
house
but
also
might
not
go
through
a
formal
business
business
bank
account.
So
I
wouldn't
say
any
cross-reference
to
hmrc
or
anything
like
that
to
to
to
validate
these
numbers.
G
I'll
I'll
come
back
on
that
one
can
chair,
so
I'm
sure
councillor,
truswell,
often
interrogates
this
particular
one.
Don't
you
counsellor
as
well,
and
we've
also
done
some.
We
did
some
research
historically
on
this
indicator,
but
haven't
been
able
to
follow
up
on
that
research
more
recently,
because
there
is
indeed
a
lack
of
richness
to
some
of
it.
G
Councillor
bentley
in
terms
of
understanding
the
nature
of
startups,
because
there's
a
really
wide
range
of
businesses
that
are
starting
up
and
and
kind
of
the
the
need
to
sort
of
try
and
get
a
bit
of
a
feel
for
whether
some
of
those
start
up
what
sectors
those
startups
might
be
in
and,
as
you
say,
also
people
that
may
not
actually
register
their
business
for
vat
or
companies
house.
So
the
reality
is
probably
there
are
businesses,
people
that
are
starting
businesses
as
self.
G
You
know
becoming
self-employed
they're,
not
necessarily
coming
through
these
numbers,
and
also
that
at
the
moment
we
can't
necessarily
differentiate
between
the
nature
of
some
of
these
businesses.
So
whilst
our
kpi
is
focused
on
an
increase
in
numbers,
what
I
couldn't
tell
you
is
actually
are
we
are
we
happy
that
the
increase
of
the
type
of
businesses
that
are
starting
up
is
the
type
of
businesses
we'd
like
to
see?
G
So
we
have
been
doing
some
work
recently
related
to
this,
with
the
university
of
leeds
focused,
primarily
actually
on
trying
to
understand
high
potential
startups,
but
starting
to
look
at
how
you
can
look
at
different
types
of
data
to
get
a
feel
so
happily
chair
and
provide
maybe
a
little
bit
more
information
about
that
as
by
way
of
follow-up.
If
you
would
like.
A
B
No
just
to
say
thank
you,
that's
that's
an
interesting
answer
and
my
question
was
really
based
on
not
not
only
sort
of
the
bogus
self-employed
but
also
to
some
extent
how
sometimes
self-employed
numbers
are
hiding
unemployment.
You
know
where
you
set
up,
that
you
say
you're
self-employed,
but
not
actually
getting
any
work.
A
D
D
I
mean
it's
clear
that
it's
been
done
in
really
difficult
circumstances
in
terms
of
gathering
data,
and
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
as
we
start
to
come
out
of
lockdowns
and
and
things
hopefully
return
back
to
normal,
how
things,
as
as
eve
suggested,
they
would
change,
because
I
think
I
think
it's
you
know
lots
of
strange
data,
I
think,
will
hopefully
iron
itself
out,
but
that
was
just
a
comment
and
my
question
was
specifically
about
hospitality.
D
G
Yeah,
so
that
that
is
the
case.
Counsellor
died
that
they're
there
are
a
high
number
of
vacancies
in
hospitality
and
we
we
suspect
this
is
for
a
couple
of
reasons,
one
that
hospitality
did
not
necessarily
keep
all
its
staff
on
furlough
and
let
some
stuff
go,
and
those
individuals
have
sought
alternative
employment
in
other
areas
where
they
may
feel
that
that's
now
a
more
stable
employment.
So,
for
example,
they
may
have
moved
into
working
for
a
food
retailer
or
in
delivery,
and
so
on.
So
that's
one
thing.
G
The
second
thing
is,
we
suspect
that
a
number
of
people
who
are
from
the
eu
who
were
here
working
in
this
sector
may
have
left
the
country
as
a
combination
of
kovid,
19
and
and
brexit
so
reducing
the
workforce.
G
So,
in
terms
of
work
that
we're
doing
to
try
and
support
the
sector,
the
employment
and
skills
team
has
been
working
with
a
number
of
organizations
are
struggling
to
recruit,
to
to
help
them
recruit
from
our
cohort
of
clients
that
the
employment
and
skills
team
support
and
employers
then
have
to
accept
that
they
may
be
recruiting
someone
who's,
probably
80
percent
ready
for
employment
and
then
consider
what
rapper
they
need
to
put
around
that.
So
so
this
is
where
this.
G
This
is
sort
of
what
I
was
indicating
when
I
was
saying
that
our
lived
experience
at
the
moment
is
that
we're
having
quite
a
number
of
employers
coming
to
approach
our
employment
skills
team
for
support,
which
will
hopefully
mean
that
we
can
then
help
people
get
into
those
jobs,
but
there's
a
wider
sort
of
piece
there
that
we
want
to
explore
as
part
of
our
refresh
of
our
talent
skills
plan,
to
understand
how
how
we
can
make
sure
that
people
can
respond
to
that.
G
So
I
think,
and
chefs
is
an
area
at
the
moment-
cancer
diet
that
we're
hearing
reported
where
there
is
real
demand.
So,
for
example,
so
we
really
need
to
try
and
make
sure
that
some
of
our
skills
providers
in
the
city
are
responding
to
where
those
shortages
have
appeared.
Because
of
these
strange
and
quite
quick
changes
in
the
labour
market.
A
Okay,
thanks
steve:
do
you
want
to
come
back
on
that
at
all
katie.
D
G
Yeah,
absolutely,
and
if
we
can,
if
you're
interested
to
hear
more,
then
just
let
us
know,
because
we
can
either
pick
up
individually
or
or
you
know,
feed
more
back
to
scrutiny
in
future
reports.
C
Eve
mentioned
the
unemployment
figures
and
the
well,
not
the
unemployment
figures,
the
furlough
figures
and
I
was
interested
that
it's
gone
down
from
sort
of
forty,
seven
thousand
to
thirty.
Seven
thousand,
if
I
heard
correctly,
but
the
unemployment
figure
was
about
four
point,
one
percent
from
memory
and
at
one
time
we
would
have
thought
that
was
on
the
low
side
actually,
and
it's
only
by
my
calculations.
C
It
leads
based
on
these
figures,
only
gone
up
a
little
bit
in
this
in
this
period,
and
I
just
wondered
given
that
furlough
has
obviously
taken
people
who
might
well
have
been
gone
straight
into
unemployment.
What
forecasts
were
kind
of
circulating
about
when
furlough
ends,
what
the
actual
unemployment
figure
is
likely
to
turn
out
to.
G
I'll
look
at
my
crystal
ball.
No
sorry,
sorry
chair.
A
G
So
it's
difficult
for
us
to
say
so:
we've
so
the
there
was
initial
increase
in
unemployment.
Last
year
after
the
first
restrictions
came
into
place
and
before
furlough
was
put
in
place
and
then
the
sort
of
change
has
been
fairly
consistent
or
steady
between
between
then,
although
we
have
seen
an
increase,
the
last
couple
of
months,
which
we
think
is
to
do
with
people
coming
off
furlough
and
not
everybody
going
back
into
work.
G
We
also
think
that
the
furlough
is
actually
stopping
people
applying
for
some
of
the
vacancies
in
hospitality.
That
council
and
I
referred
to
because
if
they're
on
furlough
at
the
moment,
actually
might
rather
stay
on
further
than
apply
for
some
of
those
jobs.
So
there's
a
lot
there's
a
lot
that
we
can't
necessarily
anticipate
in
terms
of
how
things
progress,
but
I
suppose
our
expectation
is
that
we
are
likely
to
see
a
continued
increase
in
unemployment
figures
over
the
coming
months,
as
furlough
drops
off.
G
But,
what's
reassuring
is
that
that
that
drop
from
forty
seven
thousand
six
hundred
thirty
seven
thousand
isn't
turning
into
unemployment
figures,
so
you're
not
seeing
that
same
number
popping
up
in
the
unemployment
figures.
So
in
effect
you
know,
furlough
has
reduced
the
numbers
of
people
that
are
running
are
going
into
unemployment,
but
it
is
also
creating
strange
impacts
on
the
on
the
labour
market
in
the
city
and
in
the
country
as
a
whole.
C
No
just
to
say
I
appreciate
the
answer.
Thanks
very
much.
A
H
Apologies
and
thank
you
officers
for
that
clearly
presented
report
that
that
was
really
helpful
and,
following
on
from
a
bit
what
councillor,
bentley
and
a
bit,
what
councillor
buckley
were
saying.
The
the
unemployment
figures
do
on
the
face
of
it,
look
good
news
at
that
low
level,
but
I'm
I'm
also
worried
about
it.
Masking
the
quality
of
employment
and
fake
self-employment
and
very
low
paid
zero
hours
contracts.
H
I
saw
a
figure
somewhere.
I
might
have
misread
it
about
14
of
the
people
in
leeds
on
universal
credit,
which
that,
as
I
say,
I
may
have
read
that
wrong.
But
I'm
just
concerned
about
the
quality
of
employment
in
leeds
and
have
we
got
some
way
of
monitoring
that?
Thank
you,
chair.
E
H
E
A
G
Apologies
so
counselor,
martin,
thanks
for
your
question,
so
we've
it's
something
that
we're
concerned
about
from
an
inclusive
growth
perspective,
this
point
about
quality
of
employment
and
we'll
come.
We
might
come
back
to
this
when
we
get
further
on
in
the
report.
So
try
not
to
address
it
now
chair,
but
there
is,
if
you
look
at
the
destinations
for
the
people
that
we're
supporting
into
employment
as
well,
they
are
tending
to
go
into
entry-level
jobs
in
particular
sections,
including
child
care
and
construction.
G
It's
one
of
the
later
pieces
of
work,
so
it
ties
it.
It
ties
in
with
us
focusing
what
our
skills
support
our
adult
skills
support
and
our
work
across
the
city
in
relation
to
helping
people
get
into
jobs
with
higher
skills
requirements
and
there's
also
a
piece
of
work
that
we
need
to
do
to
try
and
understand
what
demand
is
around
helping
people.
Skill
up
that
are
in
work.
Martin
long
is
on
their
call,
and
I
know
he
has
the
at
his
fingertips
faster
than
me.
G
N
So
if
you
look
at
so
the
the
universal
credit
claimant
count
is
in
two
parts,
so
47
000
are
unemployed,
but
there
are
75
000
who
are
claiming
universal
credit
in
employment,
so
there's
around
30
000,
who
are
obviously
in
in
jobs
that
are
poorly
paid
enough,
that
they
also
need
to
claim
universal
credit
at
the
same
time,
which
is
14.5
percent,
so
you're
right
counselor
in
terms
of
the
figures,
so
a
lot
of
what
we're
doing
as
a
service
at
the
moment
and
we've
just
secured
some
funding
through
wicker,
is
to
try
and
focus.
N
So
we've
we're
developing
a
program
with
the
command
authority
to
to
focus
on
those
people
who
are
in
at-risk
jobs,
poorly
paid
jobs
or
jobs,
where
kind
of
the
growth
is
is,
is
going
backwards
and
how
we
can
reskill
them
into
into
some
of
the
the
kind
of
digital
type
jobs
that
are
where
the
future
is
going
to
live
for
leads.
So
so
you,
there
is
quite
a
lot
of
work
going
on
and
happy
to
to
pick
that
up
separately.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
martin.
You
want
to
come
back
on.
E
H
No,
it's
reassuring
that.
Thank
you,
martin!
That's
reassuring!
That
officers
have
got
their
eye
on
this,
because
just
just
the
headline
figures
that
we've
been
presented
with
do
mask
that
that
that
sort
of
picture
of
in-work
poverty
in
leeds
yeah.
So
thank
you.
A
M
Thank
you,
chair
yeah,
so
so,
first
of
all,
the
the
growth
in
new
homes
in
leeds
for
the
past
year,
and
whilst
these
figures
show
that
there
was
a
an
undershooting
of
the
target
set
in
the
core
strategy
for
the
number
of
homes
required
actually
just
under
shooting
by
seven
percent
of
the
target,
is
actually
considered
to
be
a
pretty
good
performance
this
year.
M
Given
that
we
had
two
lockdowns
where
construction
activity
really
slowed,
and
it
really
is
testament,
I
think,
to
the
efforts
that
were
put
in
place
to
keep
the
construction
sector
going
in
the
city
that
these
figures
are
actually
as
high
as
they
are.
So
we're
actually
seeing
this
as
quite
a
positive
end-of-year
result
for
new
house
building
within
the
city.
M
Certainly,
there
are
no
concerns
from
our
perspective
in
terms
of
a
pipeline
of
supply.
If
you
look
at
that
table
on
page
38,
you'll
see
it
taking
a
slight
dip
that
really
isn't
a
downward
trajectory,
because
there
are
sufficient
housing
sites
within
the
current
land
supply
in
leeds.
M
For
that
to
come
back
up,
maintain
or
indeed
increase
housing
requirements
and
that's
dependent
on
a
number
of
things,
one
is
the
scale
of
planning
permissions
that
we're
seeing
coming
through
in
the
city
center
and
the
city
center
fringe,
but
also
in
terms
of
some
key
strategic
sites
that
have
either
got
planning
permission
or
going
through
the
planning
process
within
the
outer
areas
of
leeds
which
can
deliver
at
scale
and
at
speed
once
they've
been
through
the
planning
process.
M
Secondly,
number
of
affordable
houses
delivered.
If
we
go
to
page
41
you'll
see
the
overall
figure
there
at
four
three
nine.
M
Now,
when
measured
against
performance
over
the
past
sort
of
eight
to
ten
years.
That
looks
reasonable
and
it's
actually
probably
a
good
year
for
affordable
housing
delivery.
And
if
you
look
at
the
the
components
of
that
delivery,
you
can
see
that
the
blue
component
from
section
106
is
that
level
of
affordable
housing.
M
That's
delivered
off
the
back
of
planning
applications
and,
if
you
recall,
members,
that's
seven
percent
in
the
city
centre
and
the
inner
area,
fifteen
percent,
in
some
of
the
intermediate
markets
in
leeds
and
35,
affordable
housing
in
some
of
the
outer
areas.
Now,
that's
still
underplaying
the
level
of
section
106
contribution
that
we
could
and
should
be
getting
for
the
city
and
that's
partly
because
most
of
the
housing
delivery
over
the
past
few
years
has
been
within
the
city
centre
in
the
inner
area
which
have
the
lowest
amount
of
affordable
housing.
M
Section
106
attached
to
it.
As
we
see
those
sites,
those
greenfield
sites
that
were
released
through
the
site
allocations
plan
come
forward.
We
should
see
those
figures
increase,
because
that
will
be
35
of
any
houses
that
are
brought
forward.
M
The
figures
themselves,
the
439,
do
kind
of
mask,
rather
a
complicated
delivery
picture
and
you'll
see
within
those
pages
a
number
of
different,
affordable
housing
streams
that
are
being
brought
together
in
order
to
boost
and
bolster
that
not
least
the
council's
own
council
housing
growth
program
alongside
the
operation
of
registered
providers
and
registered
providers
are
regulated
in
order
to
provide
social
housing.
It's
for
some
new
members
to
the
group.
M
The
the
second
thing
is:
we
recognize
that
that
439
does
still
sit
some
way
below
the
overall
needs
for
affordable
housing
in
the
city
that
were
identified
in
the
core
strategy.
Now.
Those
overall
needs
reflect
not
just
the
additional
annual
requirement
for
affordable
housing.
That's
generated
each
year
which
sits
at
434
homes,
so
you
can
see
we're
actually
meeting
that,
but
it
does
also
include
a
historic
under
provision
of
affordable
housing
of
796,
affordable
homes.
M
So,
in
total,
if
the
city
each
year
were
to
meet
what
it
considers
to
be
its
total
need
for
affordable
housing,
we
should
be
seeing
those
figures
in
excess
of
a
thousand
homes.
Now
several
things
preclude
against
getting
there.
One
is
that
the
chief
delivery
of
affordable
housing
is
actually
through
the
planning
system
and
and
through
new
development,
but
that's
capped
by
what
housing
developers
are
able
to
achieve,
and
government
policy
says
that
we
can't
have
policies
that
are
unviable
for
developers
to
deliver.
M
So,
in
actual
fact,
the
core
strategy,
selective
review,
which
members
may
recall,
was
updated
in
2019
re-looked
at
those
figures
for
affordable
housing
need
and
looked
at
the
maximum
amounts
that
we
could
reasonably
apply
on
developers
and
those
are
set
out
in
the
course
strategy.
They
won't
get
us
to
the
total
housing
need
for
affordable
housing
within
leeds.
M
We
will
rely
on
these
other
housing
streams,
either
the
performance
of
registered
providers,
the
council's
own
housing
activities,
or
indeed,
where
we
actually
manage
to
secure
larger
amounts
of
affordable
housing
through
developers
such
as
the
guinness
partnership,
trust,
which
should
provide
40
percent
of
their
housing
at
the
the
south
bank
as
at
an
affordable
rent
which
is
over
and
above
those
policies,
so
a
number
of
different
routes
to
try
and
contribute
toward
that
overall
housing
figure.
M
I
will
say
that
officers
have
been
working
on
an
affordable
housing
delivery
plan
which
is
due
to
go
to
development
plan
panel
later
on
in
the
summer,
and
that
will
look
at
bringing
together
a
number
of
indicators
for
performance
across
these
different
routes
for
delivery,
to
provide
a
clearer
overall
picture
of
what's
being
delivered.
I'm
and
where
the
council's
actions
and
interventions
could
be
honed
and
increased
to
aid
delivery.
A
B
Thank
you
chair
a
couple
of
questions,
martin
thanks
for
the
report
and
that
summary
of
it
the
number
I
was
looking
for
and
it
might
be
in
the
report-
and
I
might
have
just
missed
it-
and
you
did.
You
did
refer
to
it
in
terms
of
the
pipeline.
B
How
many
consents
have
we
have?
We
got
in
terms
of
numbers
of
houses
which
haven't
started
yet
they're,
just
that
that
they're
just
planning
permissions
that
developers
are
sat
on
and
do
we
have
any
indication
of
sort
of
a
age
profile
of
those
consents
and
I'll.
B
Just
ask
my
second
one,
whilst
I'm,
whilst
I'm
on,
because
you
talk
about
affordable
housing
and
the
sources
of
affordable
housing,
and
I
I
think
for
city
center
development,
now
we're
taking
commutable
sums
rather
than
the
housing
go
house
flats
and
houses
going
into
into
a
registered
provider,
and
I
know
from
the
previous
work
I've
done
that
there
are
a
number
of
schemes
we've
had
across
the
city
where
we've
had
commutable
sums
rather
than
rather
than
the
actual
property
themselves.
M
Martin
yeah
thanks
for
your
questions,
counselor
bentley,
so
in
terms
of
the
numbers
of
homes
with
permission
that
haven't
started.
Yet
we
refer
to
that
as
outstanding
capacity.
M
Now,
that's
always
sat
at
quite
a
high
figure
in
leeds,
and
I
think
that's
testament
to
the
fact
that
developers,
certainly
when
they're
seeking
to
deliver
on
brownfield
sites
of
which
over
80
percent
of
leaders
housing
completions
are
they
need
quite
a
lot
of
supply
within
their
portfolio
in
order
to
bring
forward
sites.
So
they
need
that
certainty
that
they've
got
that
pipeline
of
sites
to
be
able
to
develop
them.
M
We're
not
really
seeing
evidence
of
many
developers
sat
on
sites
and
not
bringing
them
forward.
Whilst
they
have
planning
permission,
it's
often
developers
who
sit
on
sites
or
land
owners
who
sit
on
sites
before
they
come
to
planning,
that's
more
of
an
issue
for
us,
but
that
number
sits
at
around
17
or
18
000,
and
that's
what
we
usefully
referred
to
as
a
forming
part
of
our
five-year
housing.
Land
supply,
council
bentley,
and
it's
actually
quite
important
for
us
to
keep
that
figure
fairly
robust
in
order
to
defend
inappropriate
speculative
development.
M
An
answer
to
the
second
question
around
the
commuted
sums,
the
within
the
city
centre
and
in
order
to
help
develop
the
city
centre
market
for
housing
and
in
response
to
government
guidance
that
requires
flexibility
for
housing
developers
in
the
city
centre,
especially
for
private
rented
sector
developers,
for
whom
government
makes
explicit
allowances
within
guidance.
We
do
accept
that
a
commuted
sum
may
form
part
of
a
planning
application.
M
So
in
the
city
center,
that
is
a
route
for
developers
and
the
council
has
programs
in
place
to
siphon
those
commuted
sums
into
particular
sites
within
the
city
center
and
a
couple
of
those
have
actually
come
forward,
and
forgive
me,
martin
farrington,
will
know
the
names
of
these,
but
they've
they've
escaped
my
mind
at
the
moment,
but
elsewhere
within
the
authority.
We
do
encourage
that
affordable
housing
is
located
on
site
as
a
preference,
so
we
should
be
seeing
developers
deliver
affordable,
housing
on
site
outside
of
the
city
center
if
and
where
they
don't.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
Martin.
I
think
there
was
another
component
I'm
going
to
let
john
nothing
come
back
anyway,
but
to
councillor
ben
please.
It
was
not
just
the
overall
figure
of
permissions
that
have
been
built
out,
but
it
was
the
age
profile
how
many
of
these
were
granted
several
years
ago
and
currently
they're
up
for
renewal,
so
to
give
us
some
ideas
to
how
long
they've
been
outstanding,
rather
than
just
the
overall
figure
unless
I'm
wrong
jonathan.
But
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
points
you
were
making.
B
It
was
indeed
joe
and
I
I
think
it's
an
issue.
We
both
share
over
time,
yeah,
that
that
was
that
was
part
of
my
question
as
well.
If
you,
I
don't
expect
you
to
have
that
in
your
head.
Martin,
but
it'd
be
a
useful
number
to
see.
M
Yeah,
I
I
I'll,
certainly
for
fear
of
getting
it
completely
wrong,
chair
and
councillor
bentley.
I
will
certainly
forward
that
to
members
after
the
meeting.
That's
that's
captured
as
part
of
our
annual
strategic
housing
land
availability
assessment
which
upon
which
we
engage
with
the
house
builders,
federation
and
those
bringing
forward
houses
in
leeds
to
get
a
snapshot
of
the
current
land
supply
position.
So
age
of
any
permissions
will
is
a
key
part
of
that,
but
I
I
can.
M
I
can
get
matthew
brook
who
manages
that
to
send
that
answer
to
you.
A
B
No
except
chair
you,
you
may
recall
that
that
was
a
joint
working
group
with
whatever
the
appropriate
housing
scooting
board
was
at
the
time,
and
I
I
was
actually
on
that
with
you.
E
You've
cheers
of
echoed
the
point
that
I
was
actually
going
to
make,
and
you
raised
it
before
me
that
I
was
wondering
as
far
as
affordable
and
social
housing
is
concerned.
Are
we
actually
making
those
houses
that
people
actually
require?
There
would
be
loads
of
one
bedroom
and
two
bedroom
flats?
But
if
you
look
at
the
council
waiting
list
and
the
demands
and
the
demography
of
the
residents
living
in
needs,
there's
a
big
demand
for
family
housing,
and
I
don't
think
so.
E
We
can
get
family
housing
done
or
it's
not
available,
affordable
or
for
sociable
rentable.
So
what
we?
What's
our
strategy
going
forward
to
kind
of
get
that
right
mix
that
we
need,
because,
obviously,
as
you
can
see,
we
are
getting
lots
of
one
bedroom
and
two
bedroom
apartments
which
are
okay
for
bachelors
and
those
that
want
to
enjoy
life
as
singletons,
but
not
for
really
ideal
for
those
with
families,
because
we
don't
have
those
gardens
and
the
the
requirements,
all
the
green
areas
there
that
they
can
use
as
a
family
using.
A
Yeah
thanks
mohammed.
I
will
allow
martin
to
answer
that,
but
that's
certainly
one
of
the
elements
that
we
we
revisit
every
time
that
we
look
at
the
housing
mix
and
the
the
progress
or
lack
of
this
on
various
elements.
Martin.
M
Yeah
thanks.
Thank
you
thanks
councillor
to
that
that
that's
certainly
a
key
consideration
during
the
planning
application
process
and
the
affordable
housing
should
mirror
the
mix
that's
being
put
forward
for
the
wider
site.
So
if
a
developer
is
putting
forward
a
a
a
largely
family
housing
scheme,
then
the
affordable
housing
should
be
a
proportion
of
that
type
of
houses
as
well.
We
don't
allow
the
developer
to
then
put
in
what
would
necessarily
be
sort
of
cheaper
housing
to
to
make
up
the
affordable
element
of
that.
A
A
We've
always
for
as
long
as
I
can
remember
had
this
particular
thorn
in
our
side,
whereby
developers
have
pleaded
poverty
and
their
inability
to
deliver
affordable
housing
within
a
particular
development
that
was
subsequently
enshrined
in
law
by
president
government,
and
I'm
just
wondering-
and
I'm
probably
asking
you
for
an
impression
here,
rather
than
anything-
that's
just
statistically
demonstrable
marty.
But
how
far
has
that
handicapped,
our
ability
to
deliver
the
fact
that
viability
is
now
enshrined
in
law
and
can
be
quoted
quite
readily
by
developers?
A
My
second
point
is
this
issue
of
the
proportion
of
affordable
housing
that's
required
across
the
city.
You
indicated
that
we've
had
lots
of
developments
in
the
city
centre,
but
the
the
requirement
is
only
five
percent
and
we've
had
this
discussion
before
in
terms
of
other
locations,
I
mean
my
own
ward,
for
example,
even
though
people
are
crying
out
for
affordable
housing,
part
of
it
in
terms
of
development
is
still
only
designated
as
one
where
five
percent
of
affordable
housing
is
required,
and
I
know
again
that
comes
back
to
the
question
of
viability.
A
M
So,
thanks
for
your
question,
chair,
yeah
viability
is,
is
key
to
what
the
planning
system
is
able
to
deliver,
because
if
we
cannot
show
that
the
policies
are
viable,
they
will
not
be
declared
sound
by
an
independent
inspector
when
assessed
against
national
guidance
and
affordable
housing.
We
are
told,
is
one
of
the
key
viability
issues
that
developers
face,
so
our
policies
are
necessarily
in
line
with
government
guidance
restricted
in
in
terms
of
meeting
full,
affordable
housing
need.
M
Because
of
that,
in
terms
of
the
percentages,
there
was
a
shma
strategic
housing
market
assessment
done,
which
was
quite
a
detailed
piece
of
evidence,
work
which
included
a
housing
survey
across
leeds
that
was
carried
out
in
2017
and
that
fed
into
evidence
for
an
update
to
the
core
strategy
policy,
which
was
adopted
in
2019
and
you'll.
M
Remember
chair
that
that
core
strategy
policy
then
saw
an
increase
of
five
percent
of
affordable
houses
to
seven
percent
within
the
inner
area
and
the
city
centre,
and
that
was
seen
as
being
as
far
as
we
could
go
at
that
time
in
terms
of
the
viability
for
those
schemes
with
35
percent
in
the
outer
areas
remaining.
In
15
in
other
parts
of
leeds
now
we
are
obliged
under
law,
to
review
our
plan
every
five
years
to
see
if
it
needs
updating.
M
Once
we've
prioritized
policies
for
climate
change.
Within
the
current
local
plan
update
which
executive
board
approved
for
consultation
on
wednesday,
we
will
look
again
at
the
affordable
housing
question
in
a
future
review
of
the
local
plan
update
now.
That
will
also
then
capture
some
of
the
changed
national
guidance.
That's
emerging
around
affordable
housing
and
delivery
of
the
government's
ambitions
for
affordable
home
ownership
and
we'll
need
to
take
all
of
that
and
any
changed
government
guidance
into
account
at
that
time,
alongside
local
evidence
as
well.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
martin.
So,
in
the
absence
of
any
other
questions
on
this
tranche
of
kpis,
we
move
on
to
the
next
one,
which
is
10
to
14
and
basically
relate
to
training,
education
and
other
associated
elements.
Who's
going
to
introduce
these
briefly
for
us.
L
To
give
an
overview
chair,
if
that
helps.
Thank
you,
martin,
okay,
so
in
terms
of
number
10
that
is
working
age
leads
residents
with
a
at
least
a
level
4
qualification.
L
This
is
green
with
the
20
20
21
figure
being
46.9
percent.
That's
for
the
academic
year
1920..
L
So
that
is
a
sizable
increase
that
it
has
increased
across
the
whole
of
the
uk
and
that
that
figure
for
the
last
12
months
is
also
increasing
yorkshire
number
by
3.1
percent.
So
the
increase
in
leads
is.
It
is
important
to
know
that
it's
also
increasing
across
the
uk
and
yorkshire
humber,
albeit
in
leeds
it
is
markedly
higher
the
reasons
for
this.
You
know
we
can
discuss
further,
but
I
think
that
there
is
a
lack
of
complete
clarity.
L
We
we,
I
think
we
have
seen
higher
skilled
jobs
being
one
of
the
drivers
for
growth
in
nee.
In
leeds
we
have
seen
organizations
relocating
government
department,
professional
services
firms.
L
Channel
four
is
a
notable
example
of
a
high
profile
organization,
increasing
high
levels
of
apprenticeships
and
possibly
an
increase
in
graduate
retention
as
well,
so
that
probably
some
of
the
issues
in
the
mix.
In
the
background
to
that
figure,
number
11
number
of
people
supported
to
improve
skills.
That's
rated
as
amber
the
20
20
21
target
is
6420.
L
The
current
figure
is
4857,
that's
76
percent,
delivered
by
the
end
of
quarter.
Four.
L
L
The
budget
is
2.2
million
and
for
21
22,
it's
devolved
to
wicker
58
of
residents
on
the
skill
program
lived
in
20
of
the
most
deprived,
lower
super
output
areas
in
the
city
in
terms
of
number
12.
The
number
of
people
supporting
to
work
that
is
red
in
terms
of
the
rap
rating.
The
target
for
the
period
was
four
thousand
two
hundred
and
fifty
the
result
was
three
thousand
four
hundred
and
thirteen.
L
1418
residents
were
supported
into
work,
fired
job
shops
in
the
community
hubs.
54
of
residents
secured
employment
were
from
the
20
most
deprived
blower
super
output
areas,
35
identified
as
black
asian
or
minority
ethnic
and
11
had
a
physical,
physical
disability
or
mental
health
impairment.
A
L
N
N
Progress
eight
score
is
is
has
increased
and
leads
in
2021
and
that's,
I
think,
in
line
with
the
national
average,
but
I
think
there's
some
issues
around
that
in
terms
of
impact
of
the
pandemic
and
and
how
we
can
kind
of
catch
up
funding
things
as
applied
as
we
as
we
go
into
the
next
academic
year
and
the
neat
figures
again.
There's
a
there's
been
obviously
a
disproportionate
impact
of
some
of
the
pandemic
on
on
the
knee
figures
and
leads.
N
So
that's
it's
increased
in
in
terms
of
the
not
knowns.
I
think
that
there's
some
more
up-to-date
data
that
I've
got
actually
than
what's
in
here
that
I
can
that
I
could
send
out
separately.
But
I
know
children's
search
has
done
quite
a
lot
of
work
over
the
last
kind
of
six
to
12
months
around
changing
the
reporting
system
to
make
it
more
robust
and
accurate,
and
quite
a
lot
of
work.
N
That's
going
on
at
kind
of
west
yorkshire
level
to
make
sure
that
they
kind
of
pick
up
some
of
that
joint
working
issues,
particularly
where
children
might
live
in
one
district,
but
go
to
school
in
another
and
and
can
sometimes
then
get
missed
in
the
system
and
there's
quite
a
lot
of
work
that
employment
skills
are
doing
which
all
the
services
around
how
we
can
enhance
that
that
kind
of
provision
to
to
those
to
that
cohort
of
young
people,
particularly
around
accessing
european
funding.
N
So
we're
in
the
middle
of
for
some
funding
with
dwp
to
enhance
that
support,
and
we've
used
schemes
like
kickstart
and
a
number
of
other
government
schemes
to
make
sure
that
that
those
those
young
people
have
the
right
level
of
support
in
place.
But
so
I
think
that's
a
a
quick
summary
of,
but
I'm
happy
to
try
and
pick
up
any
verbal
questions
on
that.
D
Hi,
thank
you
for
this.
My
first
is
a
question.
I'm
just
scrolling
back
on
my
screen
to
to
number
10
the
percentage
of
working
age
residents
with
at
least
a
level
four
qualification.
D
As
you
said,
martin,
the
the
numbers
are
really
quite
interesting,
and
the
reasons
behind
them
are
probably
more
interesting
still
that,
in
terms
of
our
inclusive
growth
agenda,
then
what
we
should
be
most
interested
in
is
enabling
people
to
gain
those
qualifications
who
might
not
have
gained
them
already,
and
so
it
matters
actually
a
lot
really
whether
those
numbers
come
from
people
coming
in
to
lead
so,
for
example,
people
relocating
for
channel
4
or
tech
jobs,
or
things
like
that
who
would
have
had
those
qualifications
anyway,
but
in
a
in
another
part
of
the
country,
come
to
leeds
bring
their
qualifications
with
them
and
therefore
our
numbers
go
up
is
is
to
me
not,
you
know,
not
a
big
win.
D
What
is
a
win
is
us
supporting
residents
who
wouldn't
normally
have
been
able
to
access
those
qualifications
to
gain
those
qualifications,
and
therefore
you
know
the
income
that
goes
with
them.
But
it's
it's
interesting
as
well
that
there
was
a
a
comment
somewhere
in
there
about
the
data
for
other
core
cities
and
it's
the
trend
is
the
same.
Isn't
it
across
all
all
the
core
cities?
D
L
About
process
I'll
provide
some
just
initial
brief
comments.
I'm
sure
eve
will
have
an
insight
on
this
as
well
and
perhaps
martin
as
well.
I
think
your
comment
on
other
core
cities,
I
think,
is
an
important
one.
L
Councillor
dai,
I
think
I
think,
over
over
recent
years,
all
core
cities
have
benefited
from
what
is
is
called
the
process
of
agglomeration
in
terms
of
the
concentration
of
those
higher
value
jobs
in
the
larger
urban
areas
and
how
that's
then
impacted
in
terms
of
both
job
opportunities
within
those
urban
areas,
but
also
inward
migration
and
movement
as
well,
and
perhaps
the
growth
in
those
high
value
jobs
in
those
in
those
larger
cities
outside
of
london
and
perhaps
a
a
less
strong
performance
of
it,
of
those
jobs
solely
being
concentrated
more
in
london.
L
I
think
this
has
been
a
degree
of
rebalancing
to
to
some
degree
in
terms
of
people's
desire
to
to
to
to
relocate
to
london,
partly
as
a
consequence
of
high
costs
of
living
and
corrections
in
the
market
there,
and
then
certainly,
I
think
we
know
at
the
moment
we
are
in
a
position
where
there's
been
huge
amounts
of
dynamic
change
as
a
consequence
of
the
the
pandemic.
So
seeing
how
that
develops
going
forward
in
terms
of
impacting
on
those
on
those
metrics
will
will
be.
G
Yeah
thanks
martin,
so
so
first
thing
to
say
is
I
just
gave
a
little
bit
of
a
nod
earlier
to
some
work,
we're
going
to
be
doing
to
refresh
our
talent
and
skills
plan.
As
part
of
that,
I
think
this
is
an
important
piece
for
us
to
try
and
find
ways
to
understand
a
bit
more.
What's
going
on
in
this
space
and
it's
early
days,
but
we're
going
to
look
to
see
if
we
can
work
with
partners
like
odi
leads
on.
That's
part
of
that
work
council
that
I
try
and
understand
it.
G
We
we
we're
all
ready
through
some
of
the
programs
we
deliver,
trying
to
ensure,
as
martin
mentioned,
that
we
martin
long
mentioned
sorry
that
that
we
I
can
respond
to
where
we
see
the
growth
in
jobs
in
in
the
city.
So
the
digital
sector,
for
example,
was
limited
impact.
G
You
know
they
were
hit
initially
by
the
kova
19
restrictions
because
they
were
like
everybody
else,
had
to
flip
their
workforce
to
home,
working
and
so
on,
but
actually,
then
demand
increased
significantly
for
their
services
because
of
the
uptake
of
digital
across
all
of
the
sectors,
which
means
that
there's
a
really
significant
demand
for
skills
in
that
sector.
But
at
the
same
time
those
digital
businesses
can
now
recruit
from
anywhere
in
the
uk
and
indeed
internationally,
for
some
of
those
skill
sets
that
they
need
that
are
in
high
demand.
G
So
we
need
to
make
sure
that
some
of
the
interventions
we
make
allow
people
from
leads
to
be
able
to
access
some
of
those
jobs
and
and
make
sure
the
interventions
that
we
make
allow
for
that.
The
positive
thing
about
the
digital
sector
is
that
they're
also
at
the
forefront
of
their
minds
wanting
to
get
a
more
diverse
workforce
because
they
tend
to
be
you
know
they
tend
to
be
in
particular,
particularly
in
more
technical
roles
having
male-dominated
workforce.
G
So
gender
balance
is
one
thing
they
need
to
address,
but
they're
also
interested
in
diversity
across
the
board,
and
many
of
the
employers
that
are
in
the
digital
sector
in
leeds
are
already
working
with
us
on
that
which
is
really
positive,
and
we
are
actually
going
to
be
doing
a
piece
of
work
in
partnership
across
the
city
to
map
the
racial
diversity
of
the
digital
sector
as
well,
so
it
without
without
doubt
it's
something
that
we
need
to
keep
an
eye
on,
as
we
refresh
the
titan
skills
plan
and
think
about
those
skills
pieces.
G
But
I
think
we
also
need
to
remember
some
of
the
data
that
appears
about.
You
know
some
of
those
people
in
our
workforce
who
leave
school
with
limited
skills
and
that
there
is
a
demand
also
for
to
get
people
into
whether
it's
social
care,
whether
it's
charcoal,
whether
it's
other
areas
that
actually
with
support
those
individuals,
can
build
skills.
They
need
to
go
in
there.
So
we
need
to
also
keep
our
eye
on
building
those
those
skills
as
well,
not
just
level
four.
I
think
so.
G
It's
probably
your
questions
are
really
probably
a
reflection
of
actually
we've
probably
not
got
as
much
data
as
we
would
like
below
this
indicator
to
really
understand
how
that's
affecting
the
population
and
leads,
and
it's
something
that
we
can
explore
as
this
refresh
of
the
titan
skills
plan,
about
how
we
can
try
and
get
data
that
might
not
be
statistically
perfect,
but
can
give
us
some
sense
of
what
might
be
happening
in
the
workforce
in
more
in
more
real
time.
G
D
No
thank
you,
and
I
didn't
really
expect
an
answer
with
any
more
sort
of
detail
behind
it
because,
as
you
say,
it's
it
it's
a
difficult
thing
to
unpick,
but
it's
good
to
hear
that
works
going
on,
and
the
only
other
thing
I
wanted
to
comment
on
was
14.
The
the
neat
figures
are
specifically
the
not
knowns,
and
it's
good
to
know
that
work
is
happening
around
that
because
that's
something
we
discussed
at
a
board,
perhaps
a
year
or
so
ago
that
it
was
worrying
to
see
the
the
not
knowns.
D
The
not
knowns
to
me
are
are
more
worrying
than
the
neets,
because
if
you
know
the
needs,
you
can
do
something
with
them.
If
you
don't
know
them,
you
can't
so
it's
good
to
know
that
works
going
on
with
that,
because
I
think
it
it.
It
had
taken
a
bit
of
a
dip
it.
It
was
several
years
ago
really
good
and
we,
as
a
city,
had
very
very
few,
not
knowns,
and
we
had
a
great
program
that
was
turning
our
needs
into
eats.
So
it's
good
to
see
that
that's
picking
up
again.
B
Thanks
chair,
my
question
was
almost
identical
to
kate
is
really
all
the
point
I
was
wanting
to
make
was
sort
of
unpacking
that
that
level
four
population
number
really,
as
we've
already
discussed,
about
understanding
where
we
were
importing
talent
and
where
we
were
developing
as
ourselves
within
the
city
and
how
good
we
were
that
and-
and
I
I
don't
need
an
answer
to
it
now
chair.
I
think
the
the
the
answers
that
martin
luther
eve
gave
we're
fine.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
thanks
very
much
jonathan
two
quick
questions
from
me.
Some
of
the
elements
of
services
that
have
been
delivered
in
terms
of
adult
learning
and
supporting
people
into
work
are
funded
from
european
sources
and
at
some
stage,
obviously
those
are
going
to
disappear
and
run
out.
So
what
is
the
implication
for
that
in
terms
of
those
work
strands
that
are
currently
taking
place?
And
the
second
point
is:
have
we
evaluated
what
the
what
the
benefits
are
going
to
be
of
the
divorce?
Some
relating
to
adult
education?
That's
going
to
accompany
our
new
elected
mayor.
G
Yeah
thanks
thanks
chester,
responding
on
the
funding
landscape.
First
of
all,
the
the
the
funding
that
we
have
for
european
funding
comes
to
an
end
broadly
around
the
beginning
of
2023.
Although
it
may
extend
a
little
depending
on
how
the
programmes
that
martin's
delivering
and
develop
at
the
moment,
we
are
not
clear
exactly
how
we
might
replace
that
funding,
because
the
community
renewal
fund,
which
was
launched
for
a
sort
of
an
initial
pilot
in
april,
may
be
a
source
of
funding
for
that.
G
But
it's
still
to
develop
further
and
we
made
a
decision
that
we
would
not
apply
in
the
first
round
of
community
renewal
funding,
because
at
this
stage
it
wasn't
something
that
we
we
needed
to
secure
additional
funding
for
in
relation
to
employment
skills,
because
we
actually
are
well
funded
through
the
european
money
that
we
have
and
through
the
money.
That's
coming
through
the
combined
authority
at
the
moment.
G
But
there
is
chair
quite
a
bit
of
work
for
us
to
do
to
understand
the
landscape
of
funding
and
respond
to
that
over
the
next
12
to
18
months,
and
the
same
actually
applies
for
business
support,
which
is
also
predominantly
funded
by
european
monies,
and
so
there'll
be
quite
a
lot
of
work
for
officers
to
do
in
relation
to
that
and
for
any
new
members
to
the
scrutiny
board.
The
employment
and
skills
service
is
almost
100
percent
funded
by
external
funds.
So
council
call
budget
does
not
implement
the
skills
service.
G
It
is
funded
through
a
mixture
of
sources
of
funding
that
come
from
soon
to
be
the
combined
authority
and
from
dwp
and
from
european
funds,
and
so
on.
So
it
does
mean
that
we
need
to
keep
a
keen
focus
on
that
and
responding
to
it
on
the
devolved
monies
from
the
combined
authority.
Martin,
do
you
want
to
come
in
on
that
one,
because
you
you've
been
closest
to
the
discussions
of
the
combined
authority
around
the
arrangements,
so.
N
Yeah,
of
course,
yeah.
So
at
the
moment,
the
agreement
with
because
of
the
kind
of
speed
at
which
you
came
in
the
funding
has
almost
been
passed
forward
for
next
year.
N
So
we
we
get
the
same
amount
of
money
for
the
same
kinds
of
priorities
as
we
do
currently
into
the
next
academic
year
and
we're
in
the
middle
of
discussions
with
with
the
combined
authority
at
the
moment
around
how
we
can
potentially
extend
and
build
on
that
and
and
make
sure
that
we
as
a
region
are
kind
of
working
to
develop
the
best
outcomes.
People,
but
we're
quite
keen
that
you
know
we
push
that
community
learning
aspect
of
it.
In
terms
of
you.
N
Coming
back
to
the
point
around
the
level
four
qualifications,
we've
got
about
a
quarter
of
leagues
that
don't
have
a
level
two
qualification
at
the
moment,
and
that
is
the
source
of
funding
that
predominantly
gets
those
people
into
the
entry-level
qualifications
and
one
and
two,
and
if
we
don't
have
that
funding,
we're
not
gonna,
have
the
kind
of
future
level
three
for
people
to
take
those
jobs
in
the
future.
So
so
it's
a
it's.
N
It's
quite
a
kind
of
big
priority
for
us
at
the
moment,
but
and
we're
kind
of
working
with
the
combined
authority
to
make
sure
that
we
kind
of
secure
and
look
at
how
we
can
enhance
that
funding.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
a
bit
early
doors
in
terms
of
how
that's
going
to
pan
out
at
the
moment,
because
obviously
next
year
has
just
been
passported.
But
I
think
by
september
october
time
we'll
have
a
much
better
position
of
how
that's
how
that's
looking.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Martin,
no
one's
got
anything
else.
To
add
to
that.
I've
not
had
any
indication
of
any
of
the
questions.
Remember
so
we'll
move
on
to
kpi
15,
which
falls
into
two
groups,
one
the
number
of
people
killed
or
seriously
injured
in
road
traffic
collisions
and
the
second
one
is
more
specifically
drilling
down
into
a
number
of
young
people
who
are
killed
and
seriously
injured.
I
don't
think
we
have
gary,
but
we
do
have
paul
foster
paul.
Are
you
gonna
bleed
on
this.
O
One
yes,
thank
you.
Are
these
the
the
kpi.
O
So
both
these
figures
are
obviously
with
the
the
pandemic
and
the
reduction
in
travel.
We
do
see
that
the
ksi
numbers
reflect
that
and
follow
a
very
similar
trend
to
the
to
the
traffic
volumes
that
we've
seen
on
the
road.
So
obviously
the
last
couple
of
months
there
has
been
a
you
know,
a
return
of
of
those
numbers.
I
think
we've
historically
seen
before
that
sort
of
the
2016
to
2019
sort
of
numbers.
We've
we've
seen
a
flattening
of
this.
O
This
number
and
we've
not
been
able
to
reduce
that
significantly
and
I
think
there's
a
there's
work
to
go
and-
and
obviously
this
board
looks
separately
an
item
on
this
particular
issue
on
road
safety
in
general.
Doesn't
it
and
we
we
bring
the
police
in,
and
I
think
at
that
point
we
need
to
consider
how
vision
zero
can
be
implemented
and
how
we
can
start
to
make
a
real
impact
in
in
this
area.
O
I
think,
hopefully
leave
it
at
that
now
chair
in
terms
of
the
the
detail
that
members
can
see,
I
don't
think,
there's
a
there's,
a
sort
of
you
know.
We
can't
take
anything
really
from
the
numbers
in
terms
of
claiming
that
performance
is
because
of
interventions
of
ourselves,
it's
down
to
the
reduction
of
general
traffic
across
the
area.
O
We
continue
to
do
all
the
programs
that
we
have
in
terms
of
education
and
road
safety
and
continue
to
do
those
measures,
but
generally
it's
the
the
traffic
levels
that
dictate
the
ksi's
on
the
road,
both
both
the
the
the
overall
numbers
and
those
with
the
the
child
levels.
A
Okay,
thank
you
paul,
I'm
quite
happy
for
members
of
the
board
to
ask
any
questions,
and
I
noticed
that
jonathan
taylor's
coming
on
these
ksis,
I
think,
subject
again
to
the
approval
later
on
the
agenda
of
our
specific
inquiry
focus
in
the
coming
year.
We
can
do
a
lot
more
work
on
this
and
obviously
involve
partners
who
we've
met
with
before,
but
also,
I
think,
the
key
element
that
the
board
was
proposing
from
last
year
and
that
I
hope
will
be
taken
up
this
year-
is
to
include
community
road
safety
campaigners.
A
I
Thank
you
chair,
and
for
that
reason
I
don't
intend
to
go
into
any
sort
of
great
detail
with
questioning
here.
I
think
it
is
just
a
need.
I
feel,
to
reiterate
that
we
don't
use
or
we
do.
We
take
into
account
these
figures,
but
you
know
we
do
have
to
bear
in
mind.
I
The
traffic
levels
have
been
significantly
lowered,
and
I
find
highways
is,
is
one
of
the
areas
that
is
so
heavily
reliant
on
data
that
having
these
figures,
which
are
you
know,
arguably
artificial
into
in
the
sort
of
wider
traffic
area,
makes
unattainable.
I
Paul
knows
what
I'm
trying
to
say,
I'm
trying
to
say
that
it's
so
difficult
to
get
any
sort
of
traffic
management
or
speed
reduction,
or
anything
at
all
like
that,
because
the
data
is
or
the
threshold
that
they
use
on
the
data
is
so
high
that
these
figures
bringing
them
down
artificially
because
there's
been
so
such
a
reduction
traffic
levels
is
going
to
do
a
disservice
to
our
area.
I
I've
kind
of
muddled
myself
all
up
there
chair,
but
I
think
the
point
that
I've
regularly
made
on
this
board,
but
I
don't
intend
to
go
into
any
any
further
detail,
given
the
inquiry
that
we're
hoping
to
prove
today
is
going
to
be
going
forward
this
year.
Thanks.
A
A
A
Yeah,
I
think
that's
an
important
component
and
the
the
other
point
arising
from
what
jonathan
said
a
few
minutes
ago,
is
that
hopefully
vision
zero
in
order
to
be
worth
the
paper
it's
printed
on
has
got
to
start
addressing
some
of
those
shortcomings
in
the
current
process
that
we
all
as
ward
members
identify
in
terms
of
the
threshold
for
getting
traffic
calming
and
crossings
being
so
high.
It
just
makes
it
very
difficult
to
address
some
of
the
issues
in
our
own
communities,
so,
hopefully
vision.
A
L
I
thank
you.
It
was
just
in
relation
to
to
these
figures,
and
I
mean
I
get
the
the
fatality
reports
of
every
in
the
city
with
regard
to
fatalities
that
nearly
in
all
circumstances,
the
consequence
of
negligent
driving
criminal
behavior
or
that
kind
of
activity.
L
I
think
when
you
have
the
further
session,
I
think
it
will
be
very
interesting
to
to
look
at
the
unique
circumstances
has
given
rise
to
and
how
the
extent
to
which
that
shows
that
correlation
between
traffic
volumes
and
accidents-
and
you
know,
I
think,
the
unusual
and
unprecedented
circumstances
that
we
face
may
give
some
rise
to
some
pointers
in
terms
of
how
we
can
address
those
stubborn
issues
that
you
touched
on
the
church.
So
I
think
it
does
create
an
opportunity
to
look
at
at
these
figures.
K
That's
better.
That
sounds
better.
It
was
just
to
pick
up
on
what
councilor
dai
said
about
school
streets
and-
and
I
put
into
that-
the
active
travel
neighborhoods
as
well
and
we
are
conducting
a
review
of
and
going
back
to
consult
with
people
on
both
of
those
initiatives
that
came
out
of
the
pandemic,
especially
the
active
travel
neighborhoods.
K
Obviously,
the
data
will
be
slightly
skewed
by
the
january
february,
lockdown
in
particular
when
the
the
kids
weren't
at
school,
but
we
are
going
to
look
very
and
we're
expanding
the
number
of
school
streets
as
well,
so
the
number
of
schools
that
have
got
we'll
have
school
streets
so
we'll
keep
scrutiny
updated
with
the
data
that
comes
from
that
and
there's
a
review
of
that
to
travel,
neighborhoods
and
again
going
out
to
consult
a
consultation
about
increasing
the
number
of
active
travel
neighborhoods
and
that's
those
two
initiatives
should
help
really
for
those
kind
of
because
we
want
to
get
the
vision
zero,
but
it's
the
the
injuries
that
are
caused
by
kind
of
outside
schools,
or
you
know
in
kids
pla
trying
to
play
in
outside
their
homes.
K
A
Yeah
thanks
for
that
very
much
for
that
kind.
I
think
the
next
meeting
we
will
be
looking
at
the
terms
of
reference
of
our
inquiry,
but
basically
I
think
we
want
them
to
be
empowering
and
those
terms
of
reference
to
allow
us
to
touch
on
every
single
element
that
contributes
positively
or
negatively
to
to
to
road
safety
and
and
to
diminishing
the
ksi
figures
which,
as
I
say,
have
been
a
source
of
concern
to
us
for
many
many
years.
A
Okay,
I
don't
think
I've
got
any
other
members
indicating
that
they
want
to
contribute
on
this.
So
moving
on
to
16,
17
and
18,
all
relating
to
transport
services,
number
of
passengers
using
bus
services,
which
again
obviously
is
another
area
where
there's
been
a
reduction
in
the
figures
due
to
the
pandemic
and
also
the
the
number
of
people
using
sustainable
travel.
But
again,
that's
been
militated
against
by
by
covid.
So
I
don't
know
if
anyone
just
wants
to
quickly
chip
in
on
those.
O
I
think
I
think
I
think
chair
yeah,
obviously
the
the
combined
authority
do
the
the
annual
tracker
survey.
I
think
that
you
know
that
it
does
reflect
that
there's
a
there's
a
dip
in
2020
again.
Is
that
the
difference
in
terms
of
people's
travel
and
travel
behavior,
and
I
think,
I
think,
being
able
to
draw
any
firm
conclusions
from
that.
O
It
is
probably
quite
difficult
in
the
circumstances
you
know
given
social
distancing,
the
reduction
in
frequency
of
some
services,
capacities,
etc,
and
the
messaging
around
use,
avoiding
the
use
of
public
transport
have
probably
started
to
reflect
in
that
perception.
Survey.
A
Okay,
thanks
very
much
and
the
the
the
city's
transport
strategy
is
something
that
we
we
revisit
anyway
as
a
separate
item
over
the
course
of
the
year
and
clearly
are
some
of
the
factors
that
we
can
pick
up
there.
We
also
did
an
inquiry
some
years
ago
on
bus
service
improvements
and
again
we
can
revisit
some
of
the
elements
relating
to
that
in
due
course.
A
C
On
I
just
wanted
to
come
in
briefly
on
specifically
on
page
51.
C
Because
I
think
you
mentioned
a
few
minutes
ago
that
things
have
to
be.
C
On
16
at
the
annual
tracker
server,
the
number
of
respondents
on
this
from
leeds
was
300,
so
that's
300
people
out
of
three
quarters
of
a
billion,
I
think,
almost
by
definition.
That
then
becomes
a
self-collecting
different
group.
We
almost
all
want
to
make
similar
points.
C
I
think
that's
the
first
point
I'd
like,
but
then
possibly
more
importantly,
on
on
17
and
the
number
of
passengers
on
the
bus.
C
Obviously
we
all
agree
that
things
have
changed
in
such
a
way
that
previous
figures
are
completely
out
of
date,
but
this
is
the
point
I'm
making
that
the
the
lp
tip
target
from
2016
is
still
written
in
reports.
C
They're
still
saying
that
we
want
to
double
patronage
from
the
figures
in
that
67
million
to
134
million,
and
at
the
time
I
think
most
of
us
thought
it
was
worth
having
a
target,
and
that
was
a
pretty
heroic
target
to
be
honest,
but
maybe
it
may
be
achievable
now,
of
course,
the
world
is
totally
different
and
actually
keeping
that
in
the
report
renders
the
whole
thing
meaningless,
because
it
needs
to
be
revised
and
and
just
just
finally,
on
the
same
theme.
C
Obviously,
some
members,
no,
I
sit
on
the
transport
production
and
we
obviously
want
to
work
as
closely
as
possible
and
she'll
have
lots
of
responsibility,
buses
and
trains
and
all
sorts,
but
in
order
to
do
this,
we
need
to,
in
my
view,
start
from
figures
which
are
realistic
and
not
be
hamstrung
by
these
previous
previous
figures.
Thank
you.
Chad,.
A
Yeah
thanks
neil,
I
think
I
think,
every
meeting
when
we've
discussed
this
either
in
the
context
of
the
kpis
or
bus
service
provision.
We've
made
that
point
about
how
difficult
it
would
be
to
achieve
that
target
and
now,
obviously,
given
the
fact
that
things
have
slipped
back
during
the
pandemic
makes
it
even
more
difficult,
and
I
think
that's
a
point
that
I'm
sure
will
be
revisited.
But
I
don't
know
if
there's
anyone
on
the
caller
officer
level
who
can
comment
on
that,
whether
that
figure
is
going
to
be
reviewed.
So
it
looks
less
unrealistic.
O
O
So,
there's
a
it
is
even
more
difficult
to
do
and
we
accept
that.
But
I
think
there
is
a
a
need
to
move
towards
that
level
of
public
transport
patronage
to
re,
to
get
anywhere
near
our
net
zero
targets
for
2030.
O
So
there's
a
there's,
an
alignment
with
other
strategies
that
that
is
necessary
and
maybe
highlights
the
work
that
increasing
work
that
we're
going
to
need
to
do
to
put
into
with,
as
you
say,
with
the
mayor
around
how
we
improve
bus
services
and
make
them
something
that
many
more
people
in
the
city
want
to
use.
A
Yeah
I
mean,
I
think,
the
point
that
members
have
made:
it's
not
a
political
point,
because
it's
right
across
the
board
is
that
if
you
have
a
figure
that
is
unattainable
and
unachievable,
it
kind
of
diminishes
the
credibility
of
the
process.
I
mean
the
figure
in
2016
was
67
million,
the
figure
prior
to
the
onset
of
the
pandemic,
with
67.4
million.
Now
at
some
stage,
we've
got
to
say
that,
even
though
we
might
want
to
achieve
the
level-
and
I
do
agree,
it
has
to
factor
into
other
policies.
A
It
needs
to
be
a
credible
one
that
doesn't
invite
derision
by
you
know,
right
thinking,
commentators
and
and
observers,
but
I'm
sure
that
that
is
something
that
is
being
picked
up.
Okay,
martin,
I
think
you
just
wanted
to
chip
in.
Did
you.
L
Yeah,
it
was
just
in
the
context
of
that
I
mean
we
can
take
that
those
coins
away,
counselor
trustful
and
that
that
that's
helpful
feedback.
L
I
I
think
we
are
in
a
very
dynamic
situation
in
terms
of
obviously
the
impact
of
the
pandemic,
which
is
clearly
shown
on
those
figures,
but
then
also,
there's
been
a
huge
amount
of
work
that
has
been
undertaken
over
the
last
12
months,
particularly
with
the
leeds
public
transport
improvement
program
that
that
was
one
of
the
drivers
behind
those
increased
forecasts
stern
park
and
ride
is
due
to
open
in
september
as
a
major
new
piece
of
transport
infrastructure.
L
We
are
finalizing
the
extension
of
temple
green
park
and
ride
we've
extended
ellen
road
park
and
ride
the
bus
enhancement
proposals.
The
number
of
routes
are
in
the
process
of
being
finalized.
The
the
head
row
has
just
been
finalized
ahead
of
rooney's
gate
as
an
example.
So
I
think
there
is
a
position
of
coming
back
out
of
lockdown
understanding
how
that
position
in
terms
of
people
returning
to
work
will
impact
on
those
figures.
L
How
those
measures
will
impact
those
figures
as
well
and
then
the
review
and
as
you
outline
chair,
so
I
think
there's
a
lot
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
factors
to
consider
in
in
reviewing
that
point.
J
It
was
just
very
quickly
to
come
back
to
the
figures
that
council
brooklyn
makes,
and
I
totally
support
what
he
says,
and
the
other
thing
is
that
regarding
what
paul
foster
says
with
regarding
achieving
those
figures,
if
we
look
at
the
return
to
work
and
and
martin
touches
very
briefly
on
the
return
to
work,
the
return
to
work
doesn't
look
like
it's
going
to
be
five
days
a
week.
J
So,
ultimately,
those
figures
are
not
going
to
be
achieved,
whether
we
travel
by
bus
by
car
by
motorcycle,
because
we're
not
going
to
be
coming
and
we're
going
to
be
staying
at
home.
And
if
you
just
look
at
the
prospects
for
the
council,
that's
two
or
three
days
a
week
in
the
office
and
the
rest
of
the
time
at
home.
That
looks
like
where
employers
are
going.
Certainly,
big
employers
in
big
cities
are
going
in
that
route.
It
does
give
us
some
challenges
in
other
areas
I
accept,
but
on
bus
patronage.
L
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
I
mean
you
know.
Councillor
wadsworth
makes
it
makes
an
important
point
there.
I
think
my
own
reflections
on
that
over
in
terms
of
the
impact
of
the
pandemic
is,
I
think,
as
we
finally
unlock
and
people
think
about
that
that
they're
changing
work
patterns
with
their
employers.
I
think
there'll
be
a
lot
of
intentions
at
this
moment
in
time
and
I
think
councillor
wadsworth
is
absolutely
right.
L
L
Once
people
have
made
the
return
that
they
expect
understood,
whether
it
works
and
to
what
extent
gone
on
holiday
and
then
readjusted
that
will
probably
know
what
that
the
people's
permanent
intentions
are.
So
I
think
it
is
a
very
dynamic
situation.
I
think
it
won't
be
as
it
was,
but
quite
how
it's
gonna
have
changed
in
the
long
term.
I
think
we're
probably
about
15
months
away
from
fully
understanding
that
if
it
helps.
A
L
L
We
are
well
into
the
delivery
of
flood
alleviation
scheme,
one
as
the
first
phase
of
that
which
delivers
1
in
100
protection
from
the
area
north
of
leeds
station
through
to
appley
bridge
on
the
bradford
side
of
the
border,
and
we
have
recently
got
planning
consent
for
the
second
phase
of
that
which
provides
flood
attenuation
storage
as
well
and
secured
the
planning
consent
from
bradford
for
the
aptly
bridge
element
of
those
works.
L
So
those
works
are
progressing
and
due
to
complete
by
the
middle
of
2023
and
then
in
addition
to
that,
we're
progressing
the
natural
flood
management
works,
which
are
predominantly
north
of
leeds
and
go
right
up
into
the
orchard
dales
towards
mallam.
L
Last
year
we
planted
we've
facilitated
the
planting
of
about
300
000
trees
as
part
of
those
works
and
will
be
an
extensive
tree
planting
program
for
the
next
12
month
period,
but
that
will
commence
in
earnest
when
the
planting
season
arrives
later
in
the
year
and
we're
also
on
site
with
the
flock
the
odd
leaflet
alleviation
scheme
as
well.
That
is
also
now
progressing,
so
there's
a
lot
of
work
underway
in
that
regard.
Counsellor
trust
well,.
A
A
If
not
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda-
and
I
just
note
that
we've
been
going
96
minutes
and
if
we'd
have
been
physically
meeting
in
the
civic
core,
we
would
have
had
to
stop
after
90
minutes
and
take
a
break
while
everything
was
was
cleansed.
So
I
think
it
was
very
wise
that
we
we
decided
to
continue
online
consultative
meetings
right.
Okay,
that
brings
us
on
to
agenda
item
five,
which
is
the
connecting
leads
consultation
update.
A
This
might
seem
a
bit
bitty
a
bit
patchy
for
new
members,
but
we
can
reassure
you
that
we
have
had
site
of
the
strategy
document
and
that
this
particular
agenda
item
arises
from
a
request
by
the
board
to
get
a
report
back
on
the
consultation
that
was
being
undertaken.
So
finn,
are
you
introducing
this.
P
Yes,
good
afternoon,
chair
hello,
everybody
I
think
we've
got
paul
foster
as
well,
but
just
in
terms
of
introductions.
My
name's
finn
campbell,
I'm
the
team
leader
for
forward
planning
and
I
sort
of
look
after
the
strategy
development
on
a
day-to-day
basis,
so
just
to
provide
a
brief
overview
of
the
report.
That's
been
submitted
and
the
attached
appendix
the
report
seeks
to
update
the
boards
following
the
consultation
undertaken
at
the
start
of
this
year
on
the
transport
strategy
and
outline
our
next
steps
as
well.
P
In
terms
of
both
the
strategy,
development
and
the
development
of
an
action
plan
detailing
the
measures
we're
going
to
take
through.
I
think
you
all
will
have
seen
the
report.
I
think,
just
to
pull
out
some
high
level
numbers
the
strategy.
The
consultation
found
that
the
overall
sentiment
towards
the
strategy
was
largely
positive,
around
68,
with
12
neutral
and
then
12
20,
either
negative
or
mostly
negative.
P
This
level
of
sentiment
was
sort
of
reflected
when
we
were
asking
and
speaking
to
people
in
relation
to
the
objectives
and
also
the
targets
which
were
considered
both
to
be
ambitious
and
a
high
level
of
an
agreement
as
well
just
to
flag
up.
We
got
we've
broken
down
sort
of
the
other
responses
received
in
relation
to
those
questions.
P
Looking
at
why
people
found
the
strategy,
the
objectives
and
targets
to
be
maybe
unambitious
or
very
ambitious,
unambitious
or
didn't
know,
and
I
think
the
report
just
pulls
out
just
some
sort
of
key
reasons
behind
that
rationale.
So
I
think
there
was
concern
around
the
economic
impact
of
the
transport
strategy
and
the
need
to
ensure
the
city's
economy
thrives.
P
I
think,
looking
a
little
bit
more
broadly
in
terms
of
overall
feedback,
I
think
the
priorities
that
have
come
out.
The
consultation
are
looking
at
public
transport
and
creating
healthier
street
spaces
and
communities,
and
that
didn't
just
come
out
of
sort
of
the
commonplace
web
page
engagement.
We
did
that
came
out
from
the
webinars
and
the
community
committees
we
held
with
yourselves
as
well
just
looking
further
forward.
P
I
think
there
was
agreement
that
more
needs
to
be
done
in
terms
of
carbon
reduction
from
transport
going
forward
and
a
range
of
measures
can
be
brought
forward.
I
think
in
terms
of
what
we
can
do
as
a
council.
People
are
keen
to
see
that
investment
in
the
public
transport
network,
around
sort
of
bus,
bus
network
and
transport
costs,
as
well
in
terms
of
next
steps,
we're
looking
to
update
the
transport
strategy
document
as
well.
P
There's
three
sort
of
key
areas
of
flag
that
we're
looking
to
do
that,
update
on
it's
around
disability
and
accessibility
and
putting
the
needs
of
those
with
a
disability
and
at
the
forefront
of
the
strategy
and
ensure
that
all
the
policies
and
infrastructure
we
adopt
going
forward
really
embed
and
prioritize
that,
as
a
first
point
of
call,
the
needs
of
those
second
point
just
around
the
road
defining
the
role
of
motorcycles
in
the
city.
P
What
role
they
can
play
in
terms
of
congestion
management,
but
also
what
provision
they
need
as
well
and
sort
of
preferred
and
final
areas
around
rural
transport
as
well
and
recognizing
the
needs
of
rural
communities
does
differ
from
urban
communities
and
meeting
the
challenges
of
providing
services
and
infrastructure
in
that
will
be
slightly
different
to
urban
areas.
P
Alongside
that,
we're
developing
an
action
plan
at
this
moment
in
time
that
will
cover
2021
to
2024
and
it
will
look
at
how
we're
going
to
enact
and
bring
forward
our
ambition
within
the
strategy.
P
That's
under
development
at
this
moment
in
time
and
will
be
aligned
with
the
kpis,
some
of
which
we've
just
just
been
discussed
in
this
meeting.
P
I
think
the
last
couple
of
points
just
flag-
I
think,
there's
ongoing
considerations
and
I
think
we
just
discussed
in
length
sort
of
run
around
around
the
division,
zero
strategy
and
they
need
to
develop
that
and
sort
of
managing
the
impact
of
covid
and
and
how
that
will
affect
our
targets
and
also,
how
does
that?
How
are
people
traveling
now
in
the
city-
and
I
think,
like
the
last
discussion
item,
which
we
don't
have
the
answers?
Definitely
to
that
at
this
moment
in
time.
P
But
it's
something
we
need
to
monitor
and
reassess
how
we
take
the
strategy
forward
and
move
that.
Maybe
the
final
point:
just
there
is
the
key
to
collaborative
working
with
the
combined
authority
and
the
new
elected
mayor,
especially
on
public
transport
and
the
bus
network,
and
that's
really
going
to
be
a
key,
a
key
action
taking
forward
within
the
strategy
document.
O
Now
I
think
you've
covered
that
well
thin
and
we'll
we'll
take
questions
and
comments
as
necessary.
A
Q
Hello,
hello
councillor
as
well,
chair
and
panel,
I'm
actually
here
for
item
six,
the
motorcycle
trial.
So
I'll
leave
this
one
to
paul
paul
and
finn,
but
we
do
have
kate
morris
on
the
call
as
well.
Who
is
the
new
head
of
transport
planning
and
perhaps
it
would
be
worth
kate
introducing
herself
at
this
time.
I
Thank
you
chair,
and
thank
you
finn
for
for
introducing
the
report.
I
think,
as
what
is
other
common
sort
of
concern,
is
the
level
of
engagement
with
these.
With
these
consultations,
I
think
saying.
68
of
people
find
the
plans
favorable
when
1700
people
have
responded
out
of
the
out
of
the
city.
Is
it
should
be
a
a
sort
of
concern?
Really,
I
think,
particularly
when
the
majority
of
this
has
been
done
on
the
commonplace
website.
I
It's
been
done
on
webinars
it's
online
when
I'd
probably
expect
that
a
majority
of
elderly
people
don't
have
access
to
to
that
type
of
that
type
of
consultation,
and
therefore
their
voices
are
being
heard,
and
I
think
particularly
in
you've
mentioned
rural
and
urban
areas.
I
think,
particularly
in
the
suburban
areas
where
a
car
is
the
main
source
of
being
able
to
get
from
one
place
to
another,
and
particularly
so
for
elderly
people.
I
think
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
miss
their
miss
their
voices.
I
So
can
you
tell
me
of
the
respondents
where,
where
they've
been,
I
mean,
I
don't
expect
you
to
have
the
information
to
hand
now,
but
if
you
could
update
the
board
on
eventually
where
the
respondents
mostly
came
from
and
their
if
they
have
left
their
age,
demographics
as
well,
so
I
think
that
should
be
also
a
source
of
how
we
consider
transport
going
forward.
Thank
you.
P
I
think
counselor
taylor
just
come
back.
Maybe
on
your
point,
said
I'll,
get
you
the
information
on
the
age
and
the
geographic
spread
of
the
respondents
as
well.
I
I
think
just
to
flag
when
we
were
doing
the
consultation
copies
of
the
strategy,
including
the
questionnaire
and
a
free
post
envelope,
were
made
available
so
that
people
without
access
to
computers
and
especially
I
could
access
that
and
that
was
either
via
an
email
or
a
dedicated
phone
line
as
well.
So
we
managed
to
send
out,
I
think,
10
or
12..
P
I
think
in
total
of
those
documents
to
those
communities
who
may
not
have
access
to
digital
platform.
I
think
as
well.
We
held
some
dedicated
focus
groups
with
leads
involving
people
and
to
help
us
go
that
extra
mile
and
reach
those
harder
to
seldom
held
groups,
and
those
people
who
are
not
necessarily
would
respond
to
the
online
consultation.
So
I
think
we
have
tried
our
best
in
given
the
circumstances
at
the
start
of
the
year
to
address
those
points,
but
I'm
happy
to
bring
back
the
two
points.
You've
identified.
I
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
don't
want
to
preempt
what
the
information
will
will
come
back
with
on
demographics,
but
I
would
just
say:
you've
mentioned
the
circumstances,
and
I
I'm
not
in
any
way
suggesting
that
this
is
you
know,
anybody's
fault
or
anything
like
that.
But
if
this
is
what
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
as
the
blueprint
of
how
transport
is
going
to
be
mapped
out
going
forward,
then
I
do
think
a
further
look
needs
to
be
taken
because
it's
so
it
is
a
low
number
of
people
responding
and
again
without
preempting.
I
C
Thank
you
I'll,
be
fairly
brief.
Actually,
just
a
couple
of
comments,
if
I'm
may
leeds
is
to
be
a
city
where
you
don't
need
a
car.
C
Well,
I
think,
as
councillor
taylor's
just
said,
jonathan,
but
it
sounds
a
little
bit
more
like
leeds,
is
going
to
be
a
city
center,
where
you
don't
need
a
car,
because
anything,
two
three
four
five
miles
out
and
if
I
was
to
try
to
travel
from
my
world
in
all
woodley
to
jonathan's
ward
horse
first,
you
can't
do
it.
There
is
no
way
of
getting
there,
except
by
taking
the
car.
C
C
81
said
that,
but
when
they
were
asked
whether
they
were
willing
to
actually
do
something
to
change
in
order
to
achieve
this
target,
the
figure
went
down
to
58
and
I
think
that's
human
nature,
there's
also
a
reference
to
the
collapsing
bus
travel
and
rail
travel
and
so
on.
But
I
I
think
I
jonathan
the
councillor
turtle
is
absolutely
right.
C
O
Maybe
I'll
I'll
start
with
that,
I
I
think
we
we
accept
that
with
the
vision
statement
that
you
you
pull
together,
there's
gonna,
be
you
know
it's
about
the
essence
of
what
we
want
to
try
and
achieve
across
the
city.
I
think
it
will
be,
as
our
council
buckley
says,
much
easier
to
do,
that
in
the
city
centre,
where
we
already
have
the
density
of
population,
the
proximity
of
facilities
etc,
and
the
high
high
frequency
and
and
high
accessibility
by
public
transport.
O
But
I
think
that
point
that
you
can't
currently
easily
travel
between
wards
in
the
outer
area
other
than
by
using
the
car
is
surely
something
that
we
need
to
strive
to
solve.
O
Those
people
who
are
not
lucky
enough
or
able
to
have
access
to
a
car
are
left
very
isolated
by
that
type
of
transport
system,
and
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
is
not
penalize
the
car
but
give
people
alternatives
for
every
journey
that
they
want
to
do,
and
we
need
to
strive
to
do
that,
and
we
know
that
this
is
a
a
challenge
and
an
ambitious
strategy
to
bring
forward
and
and
we'll
be
able
to
do
it
in
some
places
easier
than
others.
O
But
what
definitely
came
out
from
the
consultation
and
from
definitely
from
the
the
the
community
committees
that
we
had
in
all
of
your
wards
was
that
the
current
status
quo
and
the
current
level
of
transport
provision
wasn't
good
enough
and
that
we
needed
to
make
a
change
and
make
it
better.
So
I
think
there's
things
in
this
strategy
that
start
to
do
that
and
and
show
that
that
is
necessary,
and
I
hope
that
is
what
we're
trying
to
reflect
in
that.
In
that
vision.
Statement
is
to
give
people
an
alternative
and
everyone,
an
alternative.
A
A
K
Thank
you
chair,
oh
my
going
again,
I
just
want
to
oh,
I
am
chad,
you
yeah,
so
just
a
couple
of
responses
said
firstly
to
council
buckley's
comment.
We
and
and
I'll
echo
up
you've
just
said
their
chair
and
paul
said
as
well.
We
don't
want
the
status
quo.
We
don't
want
it
that
you
can't
get
from
or
woodley
to
hosfer
without
using
a
car.
K
The
very
fact
is:
this
is
a
strategy
for
the
future,
and
this
is
our
vision
that
you
there
will
be
alternative
uses
of
transport,
and
you
know
there
are
people
who
don't
have
a
car
and,
especially
in
you
know
our
more
deprived
areas
when
up
to
70
percent
of
people
don't
have
access
to
a
car.
K
So
we
need
to
make
it
that
you
we
live
in
a
city
and
not
just
a
city
centre,
but
we
live
in
a
city
where
you
don't
need
to
have
a
car
and
there's
lots
of
lots
of
work
coming
forward
on
the
a64
corridor
and
different
parts
of
the
city,
not
just
in
the
city
centre,
to
make
that
make
that
possible
and
innovative
with
them
in
east.
K
K
On
the
point
of
the
consultation,
I
don't
know
when
how
many
people
have
responded
to
a
highways
consultation
in
the
past
when
we
could
do
face-to-face
and
things
like
that,
but
actually
and
paul
and
finn
will
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
the
numbers
of
people
are
actually
much
much
higher
that
responded
than
consultations
in
the
past
and,
yes,
it's
challenging
all
being
on
digital.
K
I
I
don't
you
know,
I
think
it
would
be
disservice
to
my
parents
in
their
70s
to
say
that
older
people
don't
go
online,
because
I
kind
of
wish
that
my
dad
would
stay
on
facebook,
but
they
are,
you
know
they
are
far
more
digitally
aware
and
enabled
than
some
of
our
younger,
more
deprived
citizens.
So
it'll
be
interesting
to
see
that
demographic
breakdown,
but
I
I
wouldn't
make
assumptions
about
older
people
would
be
my
my
response
star,
but
from
what
I've
been
told.
K
Actually,
the
number
of
responses
is
this
highway
strategy.
Highways
consultation
is
much
much
higher
than
it
has
been
in
the
past.
A
Yeah
thanks
ellen.
I
think
there
is
a
tendency
amongst
us.
Human
beings
especially
leads
human
beings
when
we
see
something,
that's
aspirational
and
strategic
and
has
lots
of
pious
commitments
to
just
nod
our
heads
sage
and
say
we'll
believe
it
when
we
see
it-
and
I
think
it's
very
difficult
to
get
around
that
natural
human
instinct.
But
thanks
for
that.
D
Katie
yep,
I
think
some
of
my
points
have
been
said.
I'm
just
looking
at
the
ones.
I
wrote
down,
picking
up
on
what
paul
said
in
one
of
the
responses,
and
things
aren't
aren't
good
enough
at
the
moment,
and
I
think
it's
absolutely
right
that
we
have
had
this
look
and
continue
to
do
so,
because
we
need
to
get
it
right
and
it's
not
acceptable
that
people
need
cars.
It
isn't
just
in
the
outer
areas
that
they
need
them.
D
I
think
helen
just
made
the
same
point
about
east
leeds
that
you
know
it's:
it's:
okay,
to
get
a
journey
from
one
part
of
east
leeds
into
the
city
center.
The
transport
links
are
pretty
good
for
that.
But
if
you
want
to
get
from
one
part
of
beastly
to
another
part
of
east
leeds
going
round
the
the
outside,
then
the
links
just
aren't
there,
and
so
we
we
definitely
need
to
look
at
that
and,
as
you
said
helen,
there
are
plenty
of
people
who
don't
have
access
to
a
car
and
are
reliant
on
public
transport.
D
So
we
absolutely
have
to
get
it
right
for
me,
the
biggest
reason
we
have
to
get
it
right
is
is
the
climate
agenda.
You
know
we.
We
have
to
really
radically
look
at
the
way
we're
transporting
people
around
this
city.
There
are
some
great
examples
from
other
cities
around
the
world
who
do
get
it
right
and
do
get
people
out
of
cars.
So
yes,
let's
look
at
it.
Let's
be
ambitious
and
let's
transform
the
way
we
move.
People
around.
A
Yeah
I'll
I'll
take
that
as
a
comment
katie
rolling,
but
rather
than
as
a
question,
but
I
think
that's,
absolutely
right
and
and
the
climate
eliminates
has
got
to
be
at
the
forefront
and
the
long-term
part
of
the
strategy,
but
also
inclusive
growth.
In
terms
of
going
back
to
the
point,
we've
already
made
connectivity
between
people
and
jobs
and
also
road
safety,
because,
as
we've
seen,
fewer
cars
on
the
road,
fewer
care
size,
mohammed.
E
Thank
you
chair
the
point
that
was
raised
at
our
community
committee,
which
paul
was
also
aware
of.
We
don't
have
connectivity
to
our
unconstitutions,
like
the
hospitals
or
the
universities
and
and
the
employment
hubs,
and
that's
something
that
we
definitely
need
to
look
at
and
a
lot
of
the
elderly
people.
In
my
ward.
E
Excuse
me:
I've
got
dry
throat
there
apologist
chair
a
lot
of
people
in
my
ward,
want
to
access
the
hospitals,
whether
that
be
saint,
james's
hospital
or
the
lgi.
There
is
no
direct
way
of
getting
there
on
occasions.
They
have
to
use
two
buses,
therefore,
the
only
alternative
they
have,
they
would
probably
not
have
a
car
for
the
otherwise
is
mainly
to
attend
their
hospital
appointments.
E
So
is
that
something
that
we
can
look
at
where
we
can
actually
get
the
connectivity
to
the
hospitals,
to
the
universities,
to
the
colleges
a
lot
better,
which
would
then
stop
the
need
for
people
wanting
to
purchase
a
vehicle
to
attend,
to
attend
the
hospitals
or
to
make
make
the
journey
to
to
the
university
to
drop
off
their
children,
because
there
would
be
better
connectivity.
O
Yeah,
I
think
these
are
absolutely
the
the
types
of
services
that
we
we
want
to
introduce.
I
think
you
know
a
lot
of
our
focus
has
been
on
building
infrastructure
to
make
the
highway
network
more
efficient
for
public
transport
safer
for
walking
and
cycling
on,
but
obviously
working
with
the
combined
authority.
We
also
need
to
look
at
the
services
that
run
on
there
and
how
they're
provided
there
is
some
work
being
done
on
sort
of.
O
I
can't
remember
the
working
title
for
it,
but
I
think
we
would
call
it
a
door-to-door
hub
service,
which
does
exactly
that
which
looks
at
picking
up
some
of
those
non-uh
urgent
health
care
appointments
and
providing
transport
for
that.
So
I'll
I'll
dig
out
some
details
of
that
and
and
send
them
across
to
you.
A
Okay,
thanks
paul.
I've
got
no
other
indications
at
this
point.
So
we'll
thank
the
officers
who
have
attended
for
this
item
and
responded
to
our
questions
and
also,
I
think
we
need
to
say
that
this
is
an
issue
that
we
will
be
revisiting
subject,
and
I
keep
saying
this
to
the
approval
of
the
work
programme
over
the
course
of
the
next
year
in
various
geysers.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
A
That
takes
us
on
to
agenda
item
six
on
page
71,
the
motorcycle
bus
lane
trial
and
before
asking
julian,
I
don't
think
we've
got
david
here.
I
think
we've
got
vivian
to
introduce
this
item
just
by
way
of
background
for
the
public
and
for
new
members
of
the
board.
This
has
been
a
long
running
item
for
the
board.
A
It
was
referred
to
as
by
the
motorcycle
cycle
action
group
some
time
ago
and
I
think
all
members
I
certainly
got
becky
to
circulate
the
response
to
the
report
and
this
item
that
came
from
the
cycle
action
group.
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
when
we
first
discussed
this
item
in
principle,
the
board
was
sympathetic
towards
the
idea
of
promoting
motorcycling
as
a
much
more
environmentally
friendly
powered
form
of
transport.
A
So
if
we
have
a
trial,
the
results
are
only
applicable
probably
to
that
section
of
bus
lane,
and
that
is
very,
very
you
know
difficult.
So
I
think
we
almost
have
to
look
at
it
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
but
today's
report
is
about
whether
we
go
ahead
with
the
or
we
we
recommend,
because,
obviously
we
don't
have
executive
powers
as
a
scrutiny
board.
Some
people,
including
mags,
seem
to
think
that
we
take
the
decision
and
that
we
sign
this
off
and
then
and
the
fact
is
we
don't.
A
We
can
only
make
recommendations
to
the
officers
to
the
executive
board
member
and
to
executive
board
if
necessary,
on
these
things.
So
we
have
three
options
before
is
to
go
ahead,
despite
the
objections
with
the
the
a65
to
look
at
another
option,
which
again
is
something
that
that
might
have
indicated
as
a
possibility
or
to
you
know
completely
review
whether
we
can
support
the
idea
of
motorcycles
using
bus
lanes.
A
So
with
that,
if
the
officers
would
like
to
introduce
the
report,
please
assume
that
members
have
read
it
so
just
highlight
those
elements
of
it
that
you
feel
are
appropriate
for
our
specific
attention.
Q
Thank
you
chair.
I
think
you've
done
my
job
for
me
in
reality.
I
think
you've
just
introduced
the
report
very
well.
Perhaps
the
only
element
I
will
add,
then,
is
that
after
the
last
scrutiny,
we
did
go
away.
We
looked
at
nine
corridors,
including
the
a65,
and
had
at
that
stage,
decided
that
the
a65
was
the
preferable
corridor
due
to
the
the
width
of
it.
It
was.
It
is
the
only
corridor.
We
have
bustling
corridor
of
that
width.
Q
The
majority
of
it's
four
and
a
half
meters
wide
it
narrows
down
to
four
meters
in
places.
So
so
that
was
the
purpose
of
us
pursuing
the
a60
file.
A65
is
the
trial
proposal,
but,
as
you
as
you
say,
is
it
a
trial
if
it's
only
applicable
to
wide
wide
bus
lanes,
the
consultation
was
with
little
london
and
woodhouse
members
and
kurtz
award
members.
Q
Q
Q
We
have
the
publication
of
local
transport
note
120,
which
is
about
cycling
infrastructure,
which
does
caution
against
mixing
cyclists
with
motorcyclists
in
bus
lanes.
We
have
the
national
bus
strategy
and,
of
course,
the
mayoral
combined
authority.
Q
So
I
think,
in
terms
of
our
recommendations,
we're
looking
at
some
suggestions
to
review
an
alternative
option,
but
the
only
alternative
option
at
this
moment
that
we
are
proposing
would
be
on
the
a647,
but
not
at
the
present
time.
We've
got
the
lp
tip
works
that
we
are
underway
on
the
a647
that
changed
the
hov
lane.
That
was
previously
there
into
a
bus
lane
and
those
orders
have
gone
through.
Q
We
need
to
complete
that
scheme,
which
will
be
another
12
months
time,
and
then
we
would
like
to
review
how
that
operates
for
the
buses,
which
again
would
be
a
further
12
months,
so
we're
suggesting
if
that
option
is
decided,
it
would
be
in
two
years
time
and
not
immediately,
and
the
alternative
is
to
withdraw
the
proposal
and
just
to
keep
keep
it
certainly
review
when
we
get
other
bus
infrastructure,
but
I
think
for
narrow,
narrower
bus
lanes.
Q
A
I
Thank
you
chair.
I
I'm
I
kind
of
mixed
about
seeing
this
coming
back,
because
I
had
hoped
that
we'd
make.
We
would
have
been
able
to
make
some
progress
here.
It
is
a
long
time
since
this,
since
this
came
to
us,
I
have
to
say
my
instinct
is
always
to
to
kind
of
go
along
with
what
ward
members
think,
because
we
are
the
ones
you
know.
We've
usually
got
our
fingers
on
the
pulse,
about
what's
happening
in
our
areas
and
represent
the
views
broadly
of
what
people
in
the
area.
I
Think,
however,
that
this
is
this
is
proposed
as
a
trial
and
the
report
states
that
there's
further
down.
I
think
it
was
0.24,
there's
a
lack
of
support
for
a
trial
on
a
65..
I
don't
actually
think
that
that's
true.
There
is
wide
consultation
and
engagement.
That's
taking
place
with
users
of
of
bus
lanes
at
the
cycle
forum.
It
says
that
0.13,
the
hackney
carriage
operators,
bus
operators,
accessibility,
groups
and
emergency
services
have
not
objected,
and
I
do
think
that
that
does
also
need
to
be
taken
to
duration.
I
Looking
at
what
the
what
the
cursor
members
have
said,
mixed
evidence
from
existing
trials,
I
think
I
read
in
the
in
the
mag
email
that
there's
that
leads
stands
out
as
an
anomaly
in
the
elsewhere.
In
west
yorkshire,
motorcycles
are
able
to
to
enter
bus
lanes,
and
I
I
I
do
think
that
this
is
something
we
should.
We
should
be
looking
at
exploring
leads
the
the
further
point.
I
I
think
at
point
17
states
that
the
a65
is
the
only
bus
lane
that
I
think
can
accommodate
this
at
the
moment,
which
is
why
it
was
deemed
as
the
most
appropriate
and
then
couldn't
be
transferred
onto
other
bus
lanes.
But
we
are
looking
to
expand
bus
lanes
and
bus
provisions
throughout
the
city,
and
I
think
that
this
trial
would
offer
us
an
opportunity
to
see
if
going
from
four
meters
to
4.5
meters.
If
we're
introducing
bus
lanes
elsewhere,
it
is
something
that
should
be
considered.
I
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Jonathan.
Before
I
ask
officers
to
respond,
there
is
one
particular
point
that
jonathan
did
make
about
the
comparison
mag
have
made
with
other
west
yorkshire
authorities.
My
recollection
from
previous
reports
is
that
it's
not
quite
as
clear-cut
as
that
and
that
some
authorities
have
been
embarked
upon
trials.
I've
either
rescinded
them.
So
could
we
have
a
little
bit
more
detail
and
I
I
apologize
from
the
chair.
I
really
ought
to
have
requested
that
this
report
reiterated
some
of
that
background
regarding
other
west
yorkshire
authorities.
Q
I'll
I'll
start
it
thank
you
and
then
perhaps
vivian
might
wish
to
come
in
after
me.
So
in
terms
of
the
west
yorkshire
situation,
we
we
do
know
that
wakefield
agreed
to
be
a
pilot
and
they
established
access
to
one
bus
lane,
which
was
gooseberry
road,
inbound
in
2016
and
and
that
is
permanent
at
that
that
location.
Q
However,
they
haven't
expanded
any
further
access
to
bus
lanes.
Since
that
trial,
bradford
have
established
a
trial
of
motorcycle
access
to
a
newly
installed
section
of
inbound
bus
lane
on
haulings
calderdale.
We
do
believe
we
have
we
need.
We
haven't
had
full
confirmation
from
calderdale,
but
we
do
believe
they
have
allowed
some
level
of
access
to
bus
lanes.
That
might
be
the
a629,
but
we
do
need
that
to
be
confirmed
from
them
and
we
don't
believe
that
kirklees
has
yet
introduced
any
motorcycle
access
to
bus
loans.
Q
I
I
do
think
the
issue
we're
making
we're
not
trying
to
suggest
that
leeds
is
is
is
absolutely
against
motorcycle
access
in
bus
lanes.
I
think
we
are
just
saying
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
location
that
we
identify
is
the
most
appropriate,
and
you
know
we
certainly
don't
want
to
it
to
introduce
a
trial
that
that
is
going
to
be
unsuccessful.
Q
I
think
the
trial
that
we
would
like
to
introduce
would
have
segregated
cycle
provision,
and
I
think
that
our
stance
on
that
has
just
got
stronger
because
of
the
additional
information
out
there,
especially
the
publication
of
ltn
120
on
cycle
provision,
which
does
make
that
point
quite
clear
that
it
would
be
a
detriment
to
cycling
for
for
allowing
more
vehicles
and
specifically
motorbikes
into
bus
lanes
where
cyclists
have
to
mix
with
other
vehicles.
Q
So
I
think
we're
certainly
not
saying
it's
a
no
and
it,
and
it
certainly
won't
be
a
no
going
forwards.
But
I
think
we
do
need
the
right
location
and
at
the
moment,
whilst
we've
looked,
we
don't
believe.
We've
got
that
correct
location.
Q
R
Q
R
Just
add
on
on
the
west
yorkshire
picture
is
in
calderdale.
I
think
they
yeah
they.
They
do
have
a
trial
underway
at
the
moment,
but
I
think
obviously
stretches
of
bus
lanes
and
different
places
tend
to
be
very
different.
So
in
calderdale
the
two
structures
they've
got
going
at
the
moment,
and
they
only
have
one
side
road
along
that
length
and
I
think
the
main
worry
from
it
from
a
safety
point
of
view.
It
is
those
conflicts
at
side,
road,
junctions,
and
they
have.
R
I
think
they
are
planning
to
go
ahead
with
a
wider
rollout
of
access
to
bus
lanes,
but
the
other
stretches
of
bus
lanes
they're
going
for
have
no
side
roads
whatsoever
on
those
lengths
of
bus
lane,
which
is,
is
very
different
from
a
lot
of
the
bus
lanes.
We
have
in
heaven
leeds
so
yeah
it
it
it's
very
much.
I
think
you
have
to
look
at
each
bustling.
A
I
Yes,
please
just
just
a
few
more
points
and
then
I'll
pass
over
to
others,
but
you
know
this
sort
of
feeling
that,
and
this
guidance
that's
come
out
which
suggests
that
cyclists
are
going
to
be
in
more
inherent
risk
from
a
motorcycle
than
you
know,
a
bus,
that's
using
the
bus
lane
or
a
taxi,
that's
using
the
bus
lane,
I
think
is,
is
it
just
doesn't
fly
with
me?
I
I
think
you
know
if
we'd
have
got
on
and
done
this
when
scrutiny
board
suggested
that
we
do
it
and
seem
to
have
agreement
from
officers
at
the
time,
then
it
would
have
preempted
this
guidance.
That's
come
out
that
this
seems
to
conveniently
be
looking
to
derail
this
again
I
mean
I
I
do
have
to
go
back
again
to
what
kirk's
the
ward
members
are
saying
that
point.
Sixteen.
If
a
trial
was
to
go
ahead,
it
should
take
place
elsewhere
in
leeds.
I
It
does
bring
me
back
to
when
we
were
first
discussing
this-
and
I
do
remember
a
comment
that
was
made
by
a
colleague
who
no
longer
sits
on
this
board
that
they
were
also
happy
for
this
to
go
ahead.
As
long
as
it
didn't
go
through
only
you
know,
he
goes
through
somewhere
else,
and
this
sort
of
I
don't
know
nimby-ism
that
we're
actually
starting
to
come
to
expect
from
from
some
from
certain
quarters.
I
I
just
really
don't
think
is
helpful
and
on
a
final
point
on
that,
the
amount
of
initiatives
that
are
imposed
on
the
rest
of
us,
despite
our
protests,
which
are
much
more
longer
term,
I
think,
also
needs
to
be
taken
into
consideration
if
this
was
a
sort
of
decision-making
board
today,
I
think
I
would
be
suggesting
that
we're
right
to
the
executive
member
stating
that
this
this
trial
was
to
go
ahead
and
that
we
see
what
the
outcome
of
it
is,
so
that
it
can
inform
how
bus
lanes
are
put
in
in
future
schemes
across
leeds.
A
Yeah,
thank
you
jonathan,
I
think
influence
to
our
kirksville
award.
Colleagues,
accusing
them
of
nimbyism
is
probably
a
bit
unfair
and
we
could
have
discussions
about
nimbyism
across
the
world
in
terms
of
developments
and
housing
and
loads
of
other
things.
So
I
wouldn't
want
us
to
go
down
that
particular
path.
A
I've
now
got
neil
and
then
julie
and
then
lisa
and
then
paul
wadsworth.
So
neil.
C
Yeah
but
in
front
of
me,
an
email
from
the
action
group
and
I'll
tell
you
that,
because
I
intend
very
very
quickly
as
quickly
as
I
can
just
to
read
from
it
and.
C
Well,
I'm
not
sure
you've
had
this
particular
one
that
let
me.
C
Well,
let
me
tell
you
that
there
are
1
2,
3,
4,
5,
6,
7,
8,
9,
10,
11,
12,
18,
19,
meetings,
consultations
and
goodness
knows
what
publications
agreements,
wiker
recommendations
all
starting
in
autumn
of
2013
and
we're
now
very
nearly
in
autumn
2021.
C
It's
eight
years
now,
when
you
look
at
the
report
itself
on
page
72,
it
says
the
proposal
aligns
with
the
wiki
24
transport
strategy.
C
Well,
at
this
rate,
it'll
be
2040
before
we
make
a
decision
potential
delays
to
buses,
but
there
aren't
any
potential
delays
to
buses.
A
motorcycle
zipping
down
a
bus
lane
cannot
possibly
hinder
a
bus.
It's
just
not
going
to
happen
a
little
bit
down
the
same
page.
It
mentions
again
the
phrase
we've
been
talking
about
a
city
where
we
residents
do
not
need
to
own
a
car.
C
Well,
this
fits
in
perfectly
with
their
strategy
unless
the
people
who
don't
want
it
only
want
to
talk
about
cycling
and
walking,
and
looking
on
page
73
about
consultation
and
engagement,
acne
carriage
operators,
they
had
no
objections.
The
cycle
forum,
the
cyclist
we've
heard
about
cycling,
the
leads
cycle
subgroup.
No
objections
were
raised.
C
C
The
only
objections
it
seems
to
me
are
coming
from
the
from
the
local
councillors,
and
I
could
understand
that
if
it
was
a
question
of
this
will
now
be
going
to
happen,
but
it's
not
it's
a
trial.
Surely
they're
not
we
wouldn't
expect
them
to
exercise
a
veto.
It
actually
mentions
veto
in
the
in
the
email
and
again
the
option
in
terms
of
this
inordinate
delay
of
going
to
the
a647
another
two
years
it
just
goes
on
and
on
and
on.
C
A
Okay,
thank
you,
neil
I'll.
Take
that
as
a
comment
rather
than
questions
that
need
to
be
answered,
julie,
I
I
am
conscious
that
julie
volunteered
to
substitute,
but
he's
only
available
until
1pm,
so
quite
happy
to
bring
you
in
at
this
stage.
Julie.
F
Thank
you,
councillor
trustwell,
and
I,
although
I'm
subbing,
I
do
have
some
background
to
this
item
from
a
constituent
who
regularly
keeps
you
updated
on
this,
and
so
I
would
like
to
just
make
a
comment.
If
I
can
and
councillor
taylor
has
covered
some
of
the
points
I
wanted
to
make,
and
although
I
I
don't
agree
with
everything
he
said,
he
has
covered
some
of
the
points
and
we
we
can't.
F
I
mean
we
can't
ignore
local
ward
members
comments,
that's
what
we're
there
for
to
to
understand
our
area
and
and
represent
the
people
who
who
obviously
want
to
speak
to
us
and
want
to
flag
concerns
up
about
issues
in
the
ward,
but
I
do
think
we
need
to.
We
need
to
to
run
a
trial
in
the
city
it
you
know
they
all
say.
F
If
we
don't,
if
we
never
do
it
we'll
never
know,
and
if
we
don't
run
a
trial,
we'll
never
know
the
outcome,
and-
and
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
when
it's
on
a
trial.
It's
disappointing
that
it
was
september
2019
that
this
decision
was
made
and
nearly
two
years
later
we
still
haven't
actually
got
to
the
trial.
And
so
I
I
am
disappointed
that
we
we're
still
here
still
debating
this
and
we
haven't
been
able
to
to
run
that
trial.
F
I
would
I
would
be
interested
in
more
information
on
the
comparison
to
the
other
cities
in
west
yorkshire
and
thank
you
to
officers
for
giving
us
the
information
about
the
the
other
authorities
in
west,
yorkshire
and
and
the
pilots
or
permanent
schemes
that
those
authorities
are
now
running.
And
but
I
would
like
more
information
because
in
the
report
you
talk
about
the
the
width
and
and
distances
of
the
bus
lanes
that
you're
looking
to
trial
this
in
leads.
And
yet
we
have
cities.
F
Sorry
authorities
around
west,
georgia
who've
done
this,
so
I
would
be
interested
to
look
at
how
they
did
it
in
more
detail.
Because
you
know
what
what
what
with
the
length
of
their
bus
lanes
with
their
bus
lanes.
How
did
they
manage
to
to
run
this
pilot
and
in
some
cases,
it's
permanent
in
comparison
to
what
we're
looking
at
in
leeds
and
the
the
particular
bus
lanes?
F
We're
looking
at
in
leads
to
pilot
this
thing,
so
I'll
be
interested
to
look
at
the
comparisons
on
that
and
and
well
I'd
say
all
the
other
members
have
made
some
of
my
some
of
the
points
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up,
but
I
do
think
we
need
to
get
on
and
run
this
this
this
pilot
and
I'm
not
saying
it
has
to
be
on
on
on
the
a65,
but
we
do
we
do.
F
You
know,
need
to
find
a
suitable
area
of
the
city
where
we
can
run
this
pilot,
because
if
we
don't
run
the
pilot
we'll
never
know
how
it
works,
and
we
need
to
understand
that.
So,
as
all
the
other
authorities
around
west
yorkshire
have
managed
to
do
this,
I'm
disappointed
we
haven't
managed
to
do
it
so
far.
F
So
again,
I'd
be
interested
in
those
comparisons
and
and
then
we
can
maybe
look
at
where
we
can
run
this
in
leads,
and
we
can
you
know
we
can
run
a
pilot
and
then
we
can
analyze
the
figures
from
that,
the
stats
from
that
and
look
at
whether
that's
a
sustainable.
You
know
long-term
solution
going
forward.
A
Yeah
thanks
julie.
I
think
we
have.
We
have
covered
so
much
of
this
ground
in
previous
discussions
and
we,
I
think,
run
the
risk
of
going
round
and
round
in
circles.
If
we're
not
careful,
I've
got
some
lisa
and
then
paul,
oh
and
then
muhammad.
H
Thank
you
chair.
I
will
be
brief.
I
agree
with
with
what
councillor
hesselwoods
just
said
about
just
the
amount
of
work
that's
gone
into.
It
seems
to
have
gone
into
work
into
planning
this
this
trial
and
it
seems
pretty
well
thought
through
and
widely
consulted
on,
but
equally
just
to
understand
a
bit
more
about
the
local
councillors
concerns
in
that
one
ward,
where
they've
objected,
I
saw
the
phrase
the
perceived
risk
to
to
cyclists
and
given
objective
to
reduce
fatalities
on
the
road
and
and
as
an
authority.
H
This
decisions
about
something
like
this
need
to
be
based
on
data
and
an
understanding
of
the
data
rather
than
on
on
anecdotal
or
perception.
So
I
understand
that
there's
two
vulnerable
road
sets
of
road
users
here
you've
got
motor
motorcyclists
and
cyclists,
and
and
are
those
perceptions
about
risks
to
cyclists,
actually
founded
on
on
solid
data
and
and
just
to
have
before
we
abandon
abandon
this
completely.
Just
have
a
look
at
the
data
in
a
bit
more
detail.
Apologies
to
officers,
I'm
sure
that
that
you're
well
versed
in
all
this.
H
Q
Yes,
thank
you
chair,
so
I
think
we
can
certainly
come
back
with
some
data
in
terms
of
the
current
accident
rate.
We
have
clearly
at
the
moment
there's
no
mixing
of
the
cyclists
and
the
motorcyclists
along
the
majority
of
the
length.
There
is
a
long
along
some
of
it
and
I
I
won't
quote
figures,
and
I
know
we
have
got
them
so
I
can
certainly
circulate
those
after
this
meeting.
Q
It's
it's
difficult.
There
is
a
mixed
pattern
and
nationwide
about
motorcycling
in
in
in
bus
lanes,
and
I
think
that's
the
concern
because
I
think
it's
very
much
on
a
a
case,
a
side-by-side
basis
and
the
issues
raised
by
each
of
the
sites
where,
where
we've
got
motorcyclists
in
bus
lines,
I
think
on
on
this.
I
think
what
just
one
other
thing
to
raise
was
that
the
the
local
kirkster
ward
councillors
did
go
out
to
local
consultation.
Q
They
didn't
share
the
full
response
from
that
with
us,
but
it
didn't.
It
didn't
change
their
view
about
the
concerns
with
the
mix
with
with
cyclists
and
motorcyclists.
Q
So
that's
perhaps
some
additional
information
that
isn't
in
the
report
but,
as
I
say,
we
didn't
get
full
response,
the
full
data
back
from
them
on
the
consultation
that
they
did.
I
think,
via
social
media.
H
A
Yeah
I
mean
it
it
it's
always
difficult
when
you've
got
a
long-running
issue
like
this.
That
really
has
been
covered
and
all
that
data
and
information
has
been
covered
in
previous
reports
to
the
board.
But
there's
no
reason
why
members
of
the
board,
if
they
want
that
data
before
finally
making
up
their
minds,
can't
request
it
paul
wadsworth
and
then
then
mo
shahzad.
J
Thank
you
chair.
I
find
myself
agreeing,
not
surprisingly
councillor
buckley,
but
also
with
council
hazlewood.
I
think
I
agree
with
council
as
a
wood
before
it's
not
the
first
time.
This
is
a
trial,
and
you
know
nobody
really
objected
to
it
with
regards
to
that,
and
you
know
eight
years
to
get
this
in
the
making
and
then
there
is
now
a
view
to
push
it
into
the
long
grass
for
another
two
years
and
move
it
to
another
corridor.
J
The
war
members
obviously
have
reservations
with
regards
to
the
centre
of
kirkstorm,
but
an
awful
lot
of
this
bustling
is
on
the
outskirts
of
kirksville.
The
st
the
former
coastal
forge
has
no
residence
at
all,
particularly
on
there
as
past
the
kirkster
labby
and
the
area
outside
yorkshire.
Television
also
has
no
residence,
it's
just
a
center
section.
That
is
really
in
question,
and
the
people
that
use
the
a65
as
motorists
actually
mostly
come
from
my
ward,
and
so
you
know
they
suffer
the
confusion
that
is
taking
place
on
there.
J
At
the
moment,
with
with
the
fact
that
motorcyclists
don't
know
whether
they
should
use
it
or
not,
and
we
just
need
to
get
a
clearer
picture
as
to
whether
we
should
be
allowing
motorcycles
into
bus
lanes
and
as
councillor
taylor
says,
whether
those
bus
lanes
in
the
future
should
be
wider
to
accommodate
it
or
whether
they
don't
need
to
be
wider
to
accommodate
it
and
the
trial
would
give
us
that
information,
and
so
I
feel
that
really
to
be
held
up
by
war
members
as
much
as
I
respect
their
views
but
to
be
held
up
with
war
members
and
no
guarantee
that
we
can
move
somewhere
else
in
a
timely
manner.
J
E
Yeah,
I
mean
I
kind
of
agree
with
paul
for
a
change
and
and
for
and
with
council
as
well.
We
do
need
to
have
this
trial
and
the
board
did
agree
to
have
this
trial.
I
mean.
Is
it
the
specific
concern
of
the
mixing
in
a
certain
part
of
the
corridor
of
the
cycles
and
the
motorcycles
together?
Is
that
what's
holding
it
up?
E
So
it's
one
of
those
things
that
we'll
have
to
have
the
board
be
firm
on
and
say
you
know:
we've
agreed
to
trial
this
and
we
need
the
officers
to
come
back
and
say
yes,
well
we're
going
to
go
ahead
with
it,
because
we
can't
keep
on
delaying
it.
We'll
just
stay
on
our
work
for
the
rest
of
the
year
and
the
following
year.
So
we
won't
get
no
results,
so
I
agree
that
we
should
go
ahead
with
it
if
possible.
A
Okay,
thanks
very
much
for
that
mo.
I
think
one
thing
we
shouldn't
lose
sight
of
is
that
our
original
view
was
that
we
needed
to
find
a
trial
site.
It's
now
very,
very
clear
that
this
trial,
if
it
took
place
on
the
x65,
would
produce
lessons
solely
related
to
the
a65
and
couldn't
be
extrapolated
and
applied
to
other
bus
lanes
throughout
the
city.
So
I
think
we
need
to
be
very
clear
on
that
particular
element.
It's
not
going
to
fulfill
the
purpose
that
we
originally
thought
it
would
helen.
You
wanted
to
come
in.
K
Thank
you
chair,
and
I
won't
take
up
much
time
because
obviously
I'm
new
to
this
portfolio,
I
still
feel
new
to
it
from
february.
So
quite
far
into
this,
can
I
assure
the
boss-
it
wasn't
just
I
I
I,
as
an
elected
member,
take
very
seriously
the
views
of
all
my
colleagues,
all
98
colleagues
across
the
city.
K
So,
of
course
I
took
you
know
very,
very
cognizant
of
the
curse
award
members
and
what
their
feelings
were
and
of
their
residence
because
that's
who
they
spoke
to
and
that's
who
they
are
answerable
to,
but
it
is
a
city-wide
issue
and
it's,
but
that
wasn't
the
as
you've
articulated
chair.
It
wasn't
just
the
you
know.
K
K
This
cannot
be
extrapolated
and
my
to
the
rest
of
leeds
and
and
my
instinct
is
that
it
would
be
very
confusing
if
you
could
use
that
bus
lane,
but
not
that
bus
lane
and-
and
I
I
feel
as
though
we
need
a
coherent
kind
of
policy
for
the
whole
of
leeds
if
that
was
at
at
all
possible,
but
in
in
terms
of
having
a
trial
well
yeah,
I'm
I'm
very
much
in
favor
of
having
a
trial
if
we
can
find
a
suitable
site,
but
it
it
wasn't.
K
Just
the
cursive
members
that
that
made
us
decide
that
we
needed
to
come
back
to
scrutiny,
to
have
a
further
discussion
and
so
I'll
leave
it.
There.
Yeah
thanks.
A
You've
got
to
be
prepared,
ultimately
to
implement
the
recommendation.
So
I
think
we
need
to
make
that
clarification,
that
we
are
not
the
ones
making.
The
decision
ultimately
rests
with
with
the
executive
board,
member
with
the
offices
and
maybe
executive
board
in
general
jonathan.
You
wanted
to
come
in
again.
I
Yeah,
forgive
me
I
I
don't
want
to
go
too
much
further
into
this,
but
just
just
replying
to
what
helen
said
you
know.
I
do
think
that
you
know
if,
if
this
council
take
took
attention
of
what
ward
members
and
what
residents
were
saying
on
everything,
then
my
me
and
my
residents
would
be
much
happier
people
and
but
it
doesn't
always
work
that
way,
and
I
do
think
that
motorists
and
and
people
that
use
use
bus
lanes
in
general
are
more
intelligent
than
what
we're
giving
them
credit
for
here.
I
There's
various
examples
of
where
bus
lanes
are
open
to
all
motorists,
weekends
evenings
that
sort
of
thing
off
peak
and
where
the
cameras
won't
won't
snap
you
and
give
you
a
ticket
if
you're
in
it
by
accident.
So
I
do
think
that
we
risk
now
this
just
bumbling
on
and
then
probably
actually
never
happening.
If
we
don't
stick
with
our
original
plan
and
the
chair
is
right,
it
doesn't
fall
to
this
board
to
make
that
decision.
I
It's
a
probably
an
unenviable
unenviable
position
that
you're
in
helen,
and
so
I
do
have
sympathy
with
you
there,
but
you
do
have
to
make
that
that
judgment
and,
as
I
said
previously,
if
this
was
a
decision-making
board
on
panel
today,
then
I
would
probably
be
pushing
that
the
chair
would
write
to
you
formally
and
ask
you
to
go
ahead
with
it,
but
as
we're
not
then
I've
just
said
it
again.
So.
A
A
One
is
to
go
with
the
a647,
which,
as
hell
and
quite
rightly
pointed
out,
would
be
the
preferred
option
of
the
cycle
forum
and
one
is
to
reconsider
the
whole
issue
of
having
this
trial.
But,
as
we
said,
it's
not
a
trial.
That
could
excuse
me
use
to
learn
lessons
for
other
bus
lanes.
So
actually,
I
think
con.
A
Unless
members
of
the
board
have
got
a
country
view,
I'm
going
to
go
around
each
individual
member
to
see
what
their
view
is
on
those
three
options,
I
think
it's
the
only
way
of
bringing
this
to
a
head.
There
would
be
another
option
and
I
throw
this
out,
and
it's
not
an
intent
by
me
to
prolong
the
discussion,
because
it
would
only
delay
it
by
a
couple
of
weeks.
We
could
actually
have
a
working
party
that
looked
at
this
issue
and
did
two
things.
One
revisited
some
of
the
information.
A
For
example,
councillor
martin
would
like
to
be
in
possession
of
more
information
and
that
I'm
sure
can
be
provided,
and
I
think
it
might
be
fair
to
invite
one
or
more
of
the
cursor
award
members
to
contribute.
So
I
put
forward
I
put
that
forward
as
another
option.
It
wouldn't
delay
things
for
more
than
a
couple
of
weeks,
while
we
arrange
that
working
group,
but
it
may
be
that
people
feel
that
that
was
unnecessary
and
they're
already
in
possession
of
enough
information.
A
So
the
crunch
point
comes
I'm
going
to
go
around
each
member
individually.
I
suppose
there
are
four
options.
Now
one
is
the
a65.
One
is
the
aa46647
which
would
involve
the
delay
that
officers
have
mentioned.
One
is
to
completely
reconsider
our
approach
to
this
matter
and
the
fourth
one
would
be
to
delay
our
recommendation
so
that
we
can
get
more
information
for
those
members
who
want
it
and
also,
I
think
you
invite
the
coach
to
the
board
members
to
come
and
speak
to
us.
B
All
right
thanks,
thank
you,
chair,
you've,
obviously
had
been.
You
say,
been
on
this
a
lot
as
a
board
over
the
over
the
past
time
and
I'm
brand
new
to
it,
and
so
that's
why
I
was
listening
and
rather
rather
than
talking
on
this
one.
B
I
I
I
think
I
I
I
take
your
point
and
and
helen's
point
that
it
won't
really
be
a
trial.
If
you
said
right,
you
know
we.
We
we
see
that
it
works
well
on
the
age
65.
Then
what
do
we
do?
We
have
one
cycle,
so
my
my
prof
preferred,
I
think,
would
be
would
be
to
say,
reconsider
it,
but
I
think
now
you
put
in
that
fourth
option.
B
I
would
probably
I'd
probably
go
for
that.
I
was
sort
of
intending
to
abstain,
to
be
quite
honest,
but
I
I
hate
doing
that
so
so
I
think
I'll
go
for
your
fourth
option
and
and
perhaps
a
small
working
group
to
have
a
to
have
a
look
at
it,
which
is
probably
better
than
the
reconsider
option
which
may
just
take
us
a
much
longer
time.
B
A
A
A
Okay,
jules.
A
Okay,
I
don't
think
we've
got
our.
If
have
we
so
lisa.
E
But
you
have
chair
because
obviously
we
have
got
new
members,
I
I
will
have
to
take
that
on
board
and
then,
if
new
members
are
saying
they
haven't
got
the
information
that
they
require
to
make
this
decision,
even
though
with
a
heavy
heart,
I
would
personally
would
go
up
for
getting
the
trial
done.
But
on
this
occasion
due
to
the
fact
that
we've
got
new
members
and
they
haven't
got
the
information,
so
they
can't
make
a
decision
which
is
well
informed.
E
So
for
that
reason
chair,
because
you've
twisted
me
I'll
go
for
option
number
four.
A
Okay,
nicole.
I
Thank
you,
chair,
probably
no
surprise.
I'd
like
to
see
the
the
trial
go
ahead,
as
was
intended
two
years
ago,
which
probably
would
have
been
more
informative
to
us
now
than
than
this
meeting
or
a
further
working
group
on
it.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
well,
I
make
that
six
votes
in
favor
of
a
working
group,
three
votes
in
favor,
pushing
ahead
with
the
a65
and
just
to
be
absolutely
clear.
I
hope
that
when
we
consult
members
about
a
convenient
date
that
as
many
of
you
as
possible
can
participate
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
don't
know
what
whether
a
recommendation
can't
come
out
of
a
working
group.
A
So
it
would
have
to
go
to
the
next
full
public
meeting
of
the
board
and
I
will
circulate
or
becky
will
circulate
an
email
asking
you
all
precisely
what
further
information
you
need,
because
I
don't
want
us
to
get
into
a
discussion
where
further
questions
are
raised
and
further
delays
take
place,
because
I
don't
think
we
would
be
doing
ourselves
or
any
of
the
other
participants
in
this
debate.
A
Any
credit
whatsoever,
and
basically
we
will
try
and
set
that
working
group
group
up
within
the
next
two
to
three
weeks,
maybe
three
weeks,
because
obviously
I
am
conscious
that
members
diaries
fill
up
well
in
advance,
but
we
will
try
and
make
it
on
a
date
that
is
as
convenient
to
as
many
members
as
possible,
especially
the
newer
members.
A
But
that
does
not
mean
that
any
other
member
who
is
unable
to
attend
that
their
views
won't
be
taken
into
account,
as
has
been
articulated
at
this
meeting.
I
think
that's
only
fair
right,
okay,
so
with
that
for
a
gender
item,
seven
sources
of
work
for
the
scrutiny
board.
I
think
this
can
be
taken
together
with
with
the
gender
item
eight,
which
is
the
sort
of
provisional
work
program
for
the
year.
A
The
provisional
program,
as
I've
said
previously,
was
actually
proposed
by
the
predecessor
board,
eight
of
whose
members
out
of
12
are
on
the
board
this
year.
So
obviously
that
will
carry
some
weight.
Do
take
into
account
the
point
that
councilor
martin
made.
I
don't
know
whether
he
was
at
the
pre-meeting
or
yeah.
A
Okay,
I
think
we're
all
worn
out
you're
either
nodding,
because
you're,
a
green
or
because
you're
dropping
off,
I
don't
know
which
one
of
the
two
it
is-
and
I
think
that
brings
us
to
the
end
of
the
agenda,
and
I
think
all
it
falls
on
me
to
say
is
that
the
next
meeting,
as
I
indicated
in
the
email
that
I
circulated
yesterday,
I
think
he
was
on
the
day
before
will
be
at
10
a.m.
On
thursday,
the
22nd
of
july.
A
I
think
the
reason
why
slightly
earlier
is
that
on
that
day,
I'm
assuming
there's
another
meeting,
possibly
executive
board,
and
we
need
to
finish
in
plenty
of
time
for
relevant
things
to
to
take
place
so
there'll
be
a
pre-meeting
at
9
45.
But
thank
you
very
much
everyone
for
your
attendance.
I
think
we've
we've
had
an
interesting
discussion
as
always,
and
I
think
you're.
I
hope
that
you
feel
it's
been
worthwhile
so
enjoy
the
rest
of
the
day,
whatever
it
holds
to
you
and
I'll,
see
you
whenever
and
if
not
before,
on
the
the.