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A
We'll
start
off
by
introducing
ourselves,
I've
come
to
the
offices
when
we
reach
the
appropriate
agenda
item.
It's
a
bit
like
we
few.
We
happy
view
the
band
of
brothers
and
sisters
here.
We've
got
quite
a
lot
of
of
people
who
aren't
around
so
I
will
start
off
with
councillor
bentley.
A
And
I
am
councillor
paul
truswell,
chair
of
the
board,
and
I
represent
middleton
and
bell
isle.
Okay.
Turning
to
the
customy
items
on
the
agenda
agenda
item
one
appeals:
there
are
no
appeals,
general
item,
two
exclusion
of
the
public.
There
are
no
items
for
which
the
public
will
be
excluded.
A
gender
item,
three
late
items:
there
are
no
late
items,
four
declarations
of
interest,
I'm
assuming
that
these
will
have
been
made.
But
if
anyone
has
any,
please
shout
out
now
I'll.
A
Take
that
a
silence,
a
gender
item:
five
apologies:
we've
had
apologies
from
councillor
gettings
councillor
sharp
with
councillor
ellen
was
substituting
councillor
cooper
says
she
may
be
a
few
minutes
late
for
the
next
item.
Leonardo
tantari,
the
chief
digital
and
information
officer
has
also
sent,
is
apologies,
and
that
then
takes
us
on
to
a
gender
item.
Six,
the
minutes
which
start
on
page
seven
and
in
my
customy
fashion,
I'll
go
through
them
page
by
page.
Please
shout
up
if
you've
got
any
corrections
or
any
matters
arising
so
page,
one.
A
A
Page
six
page,
seven
on
page
eight,
can
I
take
it,
then
the
board
members
are
content
for
me
to
sign
these
as
a
correct
record
of
our
last
meeting.
Thank
you
very
much
so
that
takes
us
on
to
first
substantive
item.
Agenda
item
seven
starts
on
page
15,
the
hundred
percent.
Well,
it's
not
the
hundred
percent
digital
right
is
the
hundred
percent
digital
update.
A
Sorry,
I
suppose
I
better
report
at
this
stage
that
normally
we
would
take
two
items
under
the
same
sort
of
agenda
item
100
digital,
which
we've
got
today,
but
also
smart
cities.
They
are
because
of
a
major
restructuring
in
digital
services.
The
officers
suggested
that
perhaps
it
was
premature
to
take
that
item
at
this
stage,
and
I
I
agree
to
that.
We
want
to
give
it
time
to
bed
in
before
officers
report
back
to
us.
A
So,
just
by
way
of
brief
introduction,
it
always
gives
me
great
pride
when
we
have
our
annual
review
of
the
hundred
percent
digital,
because
I
think
it's
fair
to
say-
and
I
think
the
report
makes
this
point-
that
when
we
first
discussed
it
in
2015
and
reported
later
in
that
that
municipal
year,
digital
inclusion
was
not
a
council
priority
in
any
way,
shape
or
form,
but
fast
forwarding.
A
Today,
it
is
now
assuredly
a
major
priority
and,
as
a
result,
I
think
leads
as
a
council
as
a
city,
especially
through
the
many
partners
that
we
work
with,
and
the
report
describes.
This
is
seen
as
a
national
leader
in
the
field
of
addressing
digital
exclusion,
and
I
I
have
to
say
that
jason's
been
around
right
from
the
outset.
I
think
you
represented
the
first
report
that
came
to
us
anyway.
A
I
won't
rub
it
on
any
further
jay
if
the
officers
could
just
briefly
introduce
themselves,
and
then
I
understand
jason,
that
you
are
going
to
introduce
the
report,
but
please
bear
in
mind
that
members
will
have
read
it,
so
we
don't
have
to
have
every
crossteen
dotted
eye.
Okay
over
to
you.
H
H
Thank
you,
and
I
would
just
echo
everything
that
council
trustworth
said
not
that
he's
stolen
my
thunder
at
all,
but
absolutely
that.
Hopefully,
the
report
builds
on
previous
reports
that
have
come
to
this
board.
H
Obviously,
there
are
recommendations
that
we
can
revisit
at
the
end
of
the
report,
but
to
make
to
echo
the
points
that
council
trusts
have
made,
as
it
says,
on
the
front
page
there
on
page
15.
This
is
an
ongoing
response
to
an
inquiry
that
started
seven
years
ago
now.
The
100
digit
leads
team
is
a
permanent
core
part
of
the
integrated
digital
service.
H
We
are
leading
digital
inclusion
for
the
city
and
digital
inclusion
is
now
recognized
as
a
key
enabler
to
achieving
a
whole
range
of
other
council
strategies
and
priorities
which,
as
councillor
truster
says,
it
absolutely
wasn't
back
in
the
day.
So
in
terms
of
a
very
brief
overview,
picking
out
some
of
the
key
points
within
the
report,
the
first
four
points
I
think,
are
just
worth
stressing
because,
particularly
over
the
last
two
years
of
covid,
we've
had
a
number
of
conversations
with
council
officers
and
other
interested
parties.
H
And
the
first
four
points
there
kind
of
set
out
the
challenge
for
that?
Because
digital
inclusion
and
exclusion
is
not
an
on
off
switch
and
it's
not
a
binary
indicator,
but
what
it
is
because
digital
inclusion
is
social
inclusion.
There
are
absolutely
people
who
are
more
likely
to
be
digitally
excluded
for
a
whole
range
of
other
reasons,
some
of
which
we've
listed
there
from
homelessness
to
physical
and
learning
disabilities
through
to
living
in
poverty.
H
There
are
other
indicators
that
are
not
there,
which
would
be
employment
rates,
educational
attainment,
refugees
and
asylum
seekers
and
where
they
live
within
the
city,
so
mapping.
Those
indicators
would,
in
effect,
map
digital
inclusion
and
exclusion,
and
that's
how
we've
positioned
digital
inclusion
since
the
start
of
the
program,
it's
one
of
a
range
of
indicators,
but
it's
a
key
enabler
to
achieving
the
outcomes
that
we
want
for
our
citizens
across
different
communities
and
communities
of
interest.
H
We
then
talk
about
100,
digital
leads
ambition
and
vision,
and
at
the
top
of
page
17.
That
first
bullet
point,
I
think,
is
just
key
to
to
bring
out
which
is
again
something
that
we've
discussed
before
at
this
board,
which
is
about
everyone
in
leeds
having
equal
opportunity
to
use
digital
tools,
technology
and
services
in
the
right
way
for
them,
and
that
last
bit
is
key
for
us.
It's
about
it
being
in
the
right
way
for
them,
and
that
will
be
very
different
depending
on
who
that
person
is.
H
But
it
should
be
about
an
informed
choice.
It's
not
from
our
perspective
about
forcing
people
to
do
digital
100
of
the
time,
but
it
is
about
100
of
people
having
that
equal
opportunity
to
choose
how
they
engage
with
services,
whether
that's
digital
face-to-face
or
in
any
other
way,
and
that
those
barriers
shouldn't
be
there
for
them
simply
because
of
their
life
circumstance
and
our
role
is
to
reduce
and
remove
those
barriers
with
the
people
and
partners
that
we
work
with.
H
The
sectors
that
we're
working
with
the
organizations
that
we
work
with
and
the
partners
that
we
work
with
throughout
the
report,
which
I'm
just
going
to
absolutely
skim
through,
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
in
any
great
detail.
We
can.
We
can
move
to
questions,
but
throughout
the
report,
what
we've
tried
to
do
is
include
testimonials
from
some
of
the
people
that
we're
working
with
evidence
of
impact
on
some
of
the
people
that
those
organizations
are
working
with
and
to
draw
out
the
connections
between
the
different
projects
within
the
wider
program.
H
From
an
older
people's
perspective,
we
have
a
network
of
organizations
around
40
organizations
that
support
people
that
are
that
support
older
people
that
connects
to
our
care
homes
work.
It
also
connects
on
page
20
to
our
digital
health
work,
because
a
lot
of
the
organizations
from
that
older
people's
network
have
become
digital
health
hubs.
The
digital
health
program
is
something
that
will
absolutely
be
rolling
out
across
the
city
over
the
coming
year.
We
already
have
started
that
work
in
south
leeds
with
the
beast
of
the
middleton
local
care.
H
Partnership
and
digital
health
hubs
are
about
trusted
spaces
in
local
communities,
where
people
can
go
to
get
support
to
use
digital
tools
and
technologies
to
manage
their
health
and
well-being.
So
this
is
an
ongoing
programme.
We've
started
in
beeston
and
middleton.
We've
moved
to
the
york
road,
local
care
partnership
quite
recently,
and
then
we're
working
with
the
local
care
partnership
development
team
to
plan
the
role
out
across
the
wider
city.
H
Some
of
the
work
with
our
digital
health
hubs
focuses
on
learning,
disabilities
and
autism.
We
have
hamara,
for
example,
as
one
of
the
digital
health
hubs,
and
they
have
a
halo
group
that
supports
people
with
learning
disabilities
and
we've
got
an
additional
role
on
our
team
now
funded
by
leeds
clinical
commissioning
group
that
increases
our
capacity
and
that
role
is
focusing
specifically
on
working
with
organizations
that
support
people
with
learning
disabilities
and
autism.
H
We've
got
a
network
of
organizations
that
that
work
in
that
space
and
that
role
shares
that
network.
So
again,
throughout
the
report
we
can
start
to
see
the
connections
between
the
different
projects
within
our
wider
programme,
people
with
learning
and
physical
disabilities.
Also
for
for
that
cohort
for
that
community
of
interest.
Accessibility
is
often
a
barrier
to
being
digitally
included.
So
we
have
a
program
of
work.
Looking
at
accessibility,
which
we
talked
about
page
22.
H
H
H
It's
often
one
of
a
number
of
barriers,
if
you're
homeless,
for
example,
what
kind
of
device
do
you
need?
It
needs
to
be
small
enough
that
it's
not
going
to
be
very
obvious
when
you're
sleeping
on
the
streets
that
you've
got
this
device
so
that
you're
not
put
increased
risk
of
bullying
or
victimization
or
theft.
There's
then
questions
about.
H
Where
do
you
charge
that
device
up
overnight
if
you're
sleeping
on
the
streets
there's
multiple
barriers
that
will
likely
come
with
that
so
giving
everyone
a
device
is
not
necessarily
the
answer,
but
it's
one
answer
and
it
addresses
one
barrier
within
that.
We
also
mention
the
device
lending
scheme.
The
tablet
lending
scheme,
which
we
have
again
talked
about
this
board
before,
as
the
100
digital
lead
team
moved
from
the
library
service
to
the
integrated
digital
service.
We
worked
closely
with
our
library,
colleagues
and
they've,
taken
over
the
ownership
and
management
of
the
lending
scheme.
H
We've
talked
before
about
the
cost
pressures
on
that
the
running
costs
for
that
and
we're
working
closely
with
ids
colleagues
to
build
that
into
a
more
sustain,
put
that
on
a
more
sustainable
footing
and
and
working
closely
well
with
our
library
colleagues
to
achieve
that,
and
then
we
talk
about
food
poverty
as
the
final
example
of
the
different
strands
of
work
that
we
do
and
again
we've
we've
right
at
the
beginning
of
the
report.
We
talk
about
food
poverty
and
the
number
of
people
using
food
banks
as
an
indicator
of
digital
exclusion.
H
We
then
have
some
projects
where
we
are
working
nationally,
referencing
back
to
what
council
trustworth
said
at
the
beginning,
in
terms
of
our
national
reputation,
we
are
very
well
placed
to
take
advantage
of
national
funding
opportunities
that
come
out.
We're
really
clear
that
any
national
work
that
we
do
shouldn't
and
doesn't
take
our
eye
off
the
ball
about
the
work
that
needs
to
still
happen
in
leeds.
So
we
will
get
involved
in
national
work
where
that's
benefiting.
H
H
The
final
point
that
I
wanted
to
make
in
terms
of
the
summary
is
on
point
73
on
page
28,
which
is
that
the
work
that
100
digital
leads
does
is
around
strengthening
the
place
to
empower
the
person.
We
don't
work
directly
with
the
people
who
are
digitally
excluded.
We
don't
deliver
digital
skills,
training
to
those
people.
H
We
work
at
that
organization
and
sector
level
to
build
that
ecosystem
so
that
those
people
have
that
support
where
they
need
it,
when
they
need
it
from
the
organizations
who
are
best
placed
to
deliver
it
to
them,
and
people
will
need
that
support
at
different
times
in
their
life.
They
will
need
it
as
they
move
around
the
city
and
our
ambition
is
that
that
support
is
there
for
them
at
every
stage
of
their
life
in
every
different
context
and
in
every
different
place
across
the
city.
H
The
final
thing
I
would
mention
which
comes
back
to
where
we
started,
which
is
how
do
you
measure
and
map
digital
exclusion,
and
we
do
talk
about
some
of
the
measures
that
we
use
on
page
30..
It
is
fiendishly
difficult
to
set
a
specific
kpi.
We
we
have
a
meeting
in
a
week
or
two
with
colleagues
who
are
putting
together
the
kpis
for
the
best
city
ambition
as
to
whether
digital
inclusion
and
exclusion
can
be
featured
in
there,
but
as
an
individual.
H
I
could
have
all
the
digital
skills
in
the
world,
but
if
I
lose
my
job
and
then
lose
my
house
and
end
up
in
temporary
accommodation,
I'm
going
to
be
digitally
excluded.
The
reverse
is
also
true.
You
could
give
me
a
free
device,
you
could
pay
for
my
broadband
if
I've
got
no
skills,
I'm
still
digitally
excluded,
and
even
if
I
have
skills
and
devices
and
connectivity
and
all
those
things
there
are
then
other
more
deep
rooted
barriers.
H
I
simply
might
not
see
the
point,
so
I
simply
might
not
engage
or
I
might
want
to
engage,
but
I
might
be
living
with
an
abusive
partner
who
controls
everything.
I
do
and
doesn't
let
me
on
the
internet
or
I
might
have
cultural
considerations
or
language
barriers
or
learning
difficulties,
and
so
on
and
so
on
and
so
on,
and
so
how
we
measure
our
work.
H
We
try
and
do
that
in
the
short,
medium
and
long
term
and
in
the
long
term
the
impact
of
our
work
will
be
seen
in
all
of
the
other
kpis
strategies,
priorities
that
the
council
and
the
city
has
so
with
our
prisons
work.
We
can
put
short-term
things
in
place.
We
can
review
their
educational
offer
within
hmp
wheelstone,
which
is
what
the
team
are
doing
at
the
moment,
but
then
longer
term,
where
we
would
want
to
see
the
impact
of
that
digital
inclusion.
Work
is
in
reduction
of
reoffending
rates.
H
We
wouldn't
claim
all
the
success
if
that
happens,
but
we
would
absolutely
claim
a
part
of
that
successive.
What
we've
managed
to
do
is
bring
together
those
partners,
so
that
holistic
support
is
there
for
a
prison,
leaver
and
they're
more
able
to
apply
for
permanent
housing
to
manage
their
benefits
to
apply
for
a
job
online,
which
is
something
that
they
might
not
have
been
able
to
do
before.
Those
partners
came
together
to
address
digital
inclusion
holistically.
H
H
H
We're
still
making
sure
that
they
understand
the
strategic
value
and
benefits
of
delivering
digital
inclusion
interventions
as
part
of
their
services
that
they
already
deliver.
So
it
looks
like
a
bit
of
a
flow
chart,
but
it's
really
just
to
say
it's
a
complicated
process,
but
that's
how
we
work.
Thank
you.
Councillors,
russell.
A
B
Thanks
chair,
thank
you,
jason,
that
that's
really
good
report
and
well
well
presented
as
well.
Firstly,
a
comment,
I
think,
because
it
because,
when
you,
when
you
start
talking
about
the
importance
of
it
and
how
it
sort
of
spreads
out,
it
touches
everything
that
we
do.
It
reminds
me
of
the
work
early
working
in
literacy,
which
is
exact,
which
is
exactly
the
same
approach.
B
Isn't
it
that
if
you
can't
read
or
write,
there's
all
those
barriers
and
we're
getting
to
the
point
now
where
digital
inclusion
is
exactly
the
same,
and
I
think
you're
taking
exactly
the
same
approach
in
terms
of
looking
at
all
the
barriers
and
not
teaching
people
to
read
but
putting
enablers
there
so
so
that
the
importance
of
it
is
seen.
B
So
I
I'm
fully
on
board
with
all
of
that.
You
did
talk
about
working
with
partners
and
the
difficulty
of
sort
of
having
the
kpis
to
see
what
success
looks
like
do
you
do
anything
in
terms
of
monitoring
evaluation
assessment
of
what
you're,
what
what
your
partners
are
doing.
So
you
can
see
how
far
they
go
along
along
the
journey.
H
Yes
and
I
might
hand
over
to
amy
for
that
second
point,
and
she
can
talk
to
about
some
of
the
work
that
we're
doing,
particularly
with
digital
health
hubs
around
some
of
the
kpis
there.
But
just
your
first
point
in
terms
of
literacy.
I
think
that's
a
really
well
made
point,
and
I
think
the
reason
it's
really
well
made
is
that
often
less
so
now,
perhaps
as
a
result
of
covid,
but
certainly
pre-dab.
H
I
think
there
was
a
feeling
not
shared
by
this
board
and
perhaps
not
by
this
by
the
city,
but
there
was
often
a
feeling
that
digital
inclusion
would
fix
itself
that
it
was
really
an
older
person's
problem
and
it
would
fix
itself
as
those
older
people
and
and
others
moved
through
people
that
would
just
grown
up
with
this
technology.
H
Digital
natives
is
a
phrase-
that's
often
wrongly
used,
but
when
we,
when
we
relate
it
to
literacy,
we've
had
books,
we've
had
the
printing
press
since
1400
and
whatever
it
is,
we've
had
printed
word
for
500
years.
Adult
literacy
rates
are
pretty
much
where
they
were
when
I
started
working
in
the
library
service
around
20
odd
years
ago.
H
So
the
fact
that
this
stuff
is
around
us
doesn't
automatically
mean
that
by
osmosis
people
would
will
become
included
or
will
learn
to
read
and
the
fact
that
there's
millions
of
cars
on
the
road
doesn't
mean
you'll
just
learn
to
drive,
because
cars
are
all
around
there's
additional
interventions,
that's
necessary
for
some
of
the
people
that
we're
talking
about
simply
because
of
their
personal
situation,
their
life
circumstance,
and
so
I
think
it's
an
absolutely
well
made
point.
Do
you
want
to
talk
about
some
of
the
kpis.
I
Sure
so,
for
each
of
the
different
projects,
trends
that
you
can
see
in
the
report
as
part
of
the
development
of
that
we'll
look
at
how
we
can
measure
the
impact
and
outcomes
of
each
of
those
strands.
So
thinking
about
the
digital
health
hubs
program
that
json's
mentioned
as
part
of
that
with
each
of
the
hubs
that
we've
worked
with
we've
developed.
I
How
that
organized
we've,
we've
measured
how
that
organization
has
improved
their
capacity
and
ability
to
be
able
to
offer
digital
inclusion
support
for
the
people
that
they
work
with.
So
things
like
the
amount
of
resource
that
we've
put
in
their
development
of
any,
for
example,
tech
lending
schemes
or
wi-fi
in
the
build
or
anything
like
that.
We
then
measure
the
different
interactions
that
the
number
of
interactions
and
the
kinds
of
interactions
that
the
staff
and
the
different
resources
have
had
with
the
members
of
that
community.
I
So
a
number
of
people
that
have
attended
digital
support
sessions,
number
of
people
that
have
used
tablet
lending
schemes,
those
kinds
of
things,
and
then
we
also
look
at
mini
case
studies
for
individual
people
and
the
impacts
that
that's
had
in
a
holistic
sense
on
the
on
the
person,
so
that
we
can
so
that
we're
not
measuring
the
outcome
on
every
individual
person,
because
we're
working
in
a
very
person-centered
way
and
all
of
those
outcomes
are
different.
I
But
we
can
see
in
real
terms
what
that
sort
of
difference
looks
like
on
the
ground
and
some
of
the
statements
that
you
can
see
in
the
report,
such
as
leads
housing
options.
Personnel.
Those
are
the
kinds
of
things
that
we're
capturing
as
we
go
along
so
that
we
can
measure
that
impact.
But
each
of
the
different
strands
will
have
its
own
similar,
but
not
the
same
measurements
of
of
impact
and
outcome.
Depending
on
what
we're
intending
to
get
from
the
programme.
H
And
I
exactly
that,
and
I
think
it's
worth
making
the
point
that
everyone's
journey
looks
very
different.
So,
if
you're,
a
resident
of
a
care
home
approaching
end
of
life,
your
digital
inclusion
journey
and
the
outcomes
you
want
to
achieve
are
very
different
to
if
you're,
a
young
unemployed,
single
parent,
who
wants
to
get
a
job
or
get
a
better
job.
H
You're,
both
digitally
excluded
to
get
you
digitally
included,
needs
very
different
interventions
from
very
different
services
who
work
with
you
in
very
different
ways.
Your
journey
will
be
of
a
different
length
and
the
outcomes
and
the
objectives
you
want
to
achieve
will
be
personal
to
you
and
that's
how
we
work
so.
The
kpis
will
therefore
look
very
different
in
those
different
cases.
Very
cool.
I
I
just
wanted
to
mention
as
well
that
we
do,
although
we're
measuring
each
of
those
different
strands
separately.
We
are
looking
at
all
of
the
information
that's
gathered
and
seeing
if
we
can
use
that
to
inform
our
future
work
as
well.
So,
for
example,
recently
we
did
some
work
on
a
giving
out
a
gifting,
a
thousand
smartphones
with
data
and
calls
and
texts
across
the
city
as
part
of
hubble's
community
calling
scheme
and
those
phones
went
to
a
whole
range
sort
of
50
or
something
different
organizations.
I
We've
pulled
in
lots
of
impact
statements
and
realized
from
that
that
there
has
been
a
trend
of
some
of
the
outcomes
positively
affecting
women
in
domestic
violence
situations
and
that
that
having
that
device
and
the
support
from
the
organizations
working
around
them
has
meant
that
they've
been
able
to
improve
that
situation.
So
that's
now
a
new
strand
of
work
that
we're
investigating.
B
No
thanks
joe,
that
was
very
full
answer
and
again,
congratulations
on
an
excellent
report.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Thank.
C
Thank
you
yeah.
I
just
wanted
to.
I
think
echo
council
eventually
a
very
interesting
report,
but
the
question
I
wanted
to
ask
was
that
if
I
can
give
an
example
of
from
my
own
life,
if
you
like
in
1998,
I
was
working
for
a
company
and
the
sales
force
were
entirely
paper
completely
conventional,
no
computers
at
all,
and
we
were
taken
over
by
a
company
who
were
totally
computerized.
C
Everybody
had
laptops
and
all
the
rest
of
it
and
I
couldn't
even
find
the
on
switch
and
it
was
quite
traumatic
at
the
time.
But
I
learned
and
now
I
can
find
the
on
switch,
and
my
question
really
is
that
I
know
you
said
that
it's
not
entirely
a
question
of
people
dropping
off
the
end,
but
actually
that
must
be
90
of
it,
because
if
somebody
is
going
to
be
in
a
care
home
in
20
years
from
now,
they
won't
be
digitally
excluded.
H
H
and
I
got
a
job
essentially
teaching
people
digital
skills,
because
we
just
got
computers
in
libraries
at
that
point,
and
there
were
colleagues
in
the
service
who
were
saying
well
yeah,
but
you're
not
going
to
have
to
do
that.
Very
long
are
you,
you
know
it's
you're,
just
teaching
old
people
and
they're
going
to
die,
and
then
things
will
just
move
on.
H
You
you'll
be
out
of
a
job
pretty
soon,
and
that
was
25
years
ago,
and
here
we
are,
I
think,
you're
right
though
I
think
there
is
absolutely
the
case
and-
and
we
have
seen
this
through
covid,
where
people
who
previously
said
I'm
never
going
to
do
that-
I'm
not
interested
in
it.
Just
don't
talk
to
me
about
it.
It's
it's,
not
something
I
even
want
to
explore.
H
I
think
some
of
those
people
have
been
persuaded
of
the
the
necessity
in
some
cases,
in
some
situations
of
doing
it
and
we've
seen
that
globally.
In
terms
of
the
figures,
and
when
I
say
globally,
I
mean
a
national
level
as
well
as
a
leeds
level
in
terms
of
the
number
of
people
who
are
completely
digitally
excluded.
H
That
has
gone
down,
but
that's
gone
down
at
a
general
population
level
and
then,
as
we
start
to
look
at
different
parts
of
our
population,
it
either
hasn't
gone
down
as
much
or
at
all,
and
it
comes
back
to
the
point
about
literacy
rates.
It
comes
back
to
points
about
employment
rates
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
H
The
figures
are
the
same
or
very,
very
similar
that
at
a
broad
level,
it
looks
like
it's,
a
very
small
percentage
of
the
population
that
that
is
still
digitally
excluded
and
there's
perhaps
a
temptation
in
some
areas,
not
within
this
city
but
in
some
places
to
say.
Well,
it's
kind
of
job
done,
isn't
it
if
it's
just
five
percent
of
the
population?
That's
digitally
excluded
job
done,
but
it's
not
five
percent
of
prison
leavers
and
it's
not
five
percent
of
care
home
residents
that
it's
not
five
percent
of
people
with
learning
disabilities.
H
We
do
it
because
it's
the
right
thing
to
do.
We
do
it
because
we
care
about
people,
we
do
it
for
all
of
those
social
inclusion
reasons,
because
digital
inclusion
is
social
inclusion,
but
we
can
absolutely
talk
about
the
savings
to
the
council
and
the
savings
to
the
nhs
and
the
improved
benefits
that
people
will
see
from
having
a
job
having
a
better
job,
managing
their
health
and
well-being
online.
A
I
Yeah,
sorry,
I
was
just
going
to
say
in
terms
of
care
homes
as
well.
I
think
your
upstate's
absolutely
right
to
say
that
people
in
a
bunch
of
years
time
will
go
into
care
homes
with
more
skills
and
understanding
and
stuff,
because
as
long
as
they're
you
know
working
in
jobs
and
things
that
have
digital
skills,
we
still
see
lots
of
people
that
work
in
jobs,
including
in
the
council,
that
don't
involve
digital
skills
or
connectivity.
I
So
that's
an
issue
and
we
are
working
with
those
care
homes
to
be
able
to
embed
that
digital
inclusion
support
within
them.
So
hopefully,
when
those
people
get
to
a
care
home,
that
support
will
already
be
there.
However,
people's
circumstances
change,
so
it
might
be
that
they
have
the
skills,
but
maybe
they've
got
you
know
dual
sensory
impairments,
maybe
they've
got
dementia
different
sorts
of
needs
around
how
they're
going
to
be
able
to
access
that
digital
and
the
support
around
them.
So
I
think
it's
yeah
people's
yeah
people's
needs
change
over
time.
F
Okay,
so
I'll
make
a
comment
if,
if
that's
okay,
first
of
all,
thank
you
very
much
for
that
report
and
the
depth
of
understanding
of
of
issues
of
people
who
are
digi
digitally
excluded,
which
is
captured
within
there.
I
was
just
going
to
make
a
point
about
emphasizing
the
importance
of
numbers
and
and
to
address
a
point.
That's
just
been
made,
and
yes,
you've
got
that
depth
of
understanding,
and
I
know
how
difficult
it
is
to
to
measure
impacts.
F
But
it
is
important
that
you
can
so
that
then
we
can
carry
on
supporting
this
work,
and
I
know
that
you
know
the
easiest
thing
to
measure
is
inputs.
F
How
many,
how
many
phones
you've
given
given
out
and
then
you
can
maybe
measure
the
outputs,
so
the
the
quality
of
whether
those
phones
were
any
good
and
whether
people
use
them,
but
the
the
most
difficult
one
and
the
most
important
one
to
to
try
and
capture,
is
the
outcomes
and
and
and
you've
done
that
to
a
certain
extent,
with
these
case
studies
in
illustrating,
for
instance,
the
woman
support
you
know
supported
with
a
housing
options
service.
F
But
if
you
can
find
more
ways
of
capturing
the
outcomes-
and
you
don't
have
to
capture
every
outcome
of
this
work,
just
those
some
key
bits
that
we
can
then
quote
how
many
and
how
much
money
and
how?
How
better
services
so
that
so
that
we
can
measure,
for
example,
how
much
money
services
have
been
saved
by
your
work,
that
that
would
be
really
helpful.
H
Really
briefly,
councillor
tristan
just
to
say
yes
and
it's
abs
and
it's
absolutely
something
that
that
the
chief
digital
and
information
officer
spoken
to
us
about
as
well,
because
if
we
were
doing
all
of
this-
and
actually
there
were
only
100
people
in
the
city
left
who
were
digitally
excluded,
then
we
wouldn't
need
the
level
of
investment
that
we
currently
have
into
the
team
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
absolutely
take
that
point,
and
it
is
absolutely
something
that
we're
working
on.
A
It's
always
really
difficult
to
measure
the
outcomes
of
health
promotion,
because
they're
often
10
20
years
down
the
line
so
they're
not
immediately
deliverable
and
immediately
discernible,
but
the
point's
a
good
one,
quite
often
those
who
command
the
resources
of
those
who
can
make
the
case
those
who
can
make
the
case
the
ones
who
can
quote
the
sort
of
figures
that
councilor
martin
has
mentioned.
A
D
Thank
you.
Can
I
also
welcome
the
report
every
time
I
read
the
updates,
there's
more
and
more
work
going
on,
and
it's
really
impressive,
so
please
keep
doing
it.
It's
super
to
see.
My
question
is
that
when
you
do
impact
statements
or
case
studies-
and
you
are
talking
to
people
who
are
using
digital
services
for
the
first
time,
are
you
able
to
collect
feedback
from
them
on
their
experience
of
using
that
service?
D
So
councillor,
martin
mentioned
the
the
case
study
of
person
using
the
housing
options
website
in
terms
of
downsizing
their
property.
Is
that
something
that's
collectable
to
say?
Okay,
I've
now
accessed
it
digitally
and
I
found
it
easy
to
use
not
easy
to
use,
and
if
there
are
any
difficulties,
are
you
able
then,
to
feed
that
back,
because
I
think
it's
it's
quite
important.
If
people
are
accessing
services
that
they
find
it
better
than
the
other
option.
H
It's
to
be
honest,
it's
not
something
that
we've
done
in
a
structured
planned
programmed
way
before,
but
it
is
happening
more
and
it's
happening
more,
since
the
team
has
moved
to
the
integrated
digital
service,
which
is
the
place
that
often
some
of
those
tools
are
developed
with
with
colleagues
from
across
the
council.
Earlier
this
week,
for
example,
I
was
copied
into
an
email-
and
this
will
be
a
piece
of
work.
H
That's
something
that's
been
flagged
and
actually
that
there's
a
digital
inclusion
element
that,
because
not
all
of
the
older
people
that
are
trying
to
use
that
system
are
finding
it
as
easy
as
they
would
want
to
use
that
system,
and,
as
we
mentioned
in
the
report,
we
have
a
network
of
organizations,
all
of
whom
support
all
the
people
so
to
be
able
to
bring
it's
an
external
company.
That's
helped
to
develop
that
platform
with
colleagues
in
the
integrated
digital
service
with
organizations
in
the
third
sector
that
support
older
people
to
be
more
digitally
included.
H
That's
something
that
I
know
amy
and
the
team
have
been
doing
where
colleagues
in
third
sector
in
those
digital
health
hubs
are
helping
people
to
use
digital
tools
and
then,
if
they're
not
as
accessible
as
we
would
want
them
to
be.
We
can
play
that
back
into
colleagues
within
the
nhs
who
are
signposting
people
to
those
tools
and
encouraging
them
to
use
them.
So
it's
happened
ad
hoc,
but
I
think
we
can
do
it
in
a
more
structured
programmed
way.
Yeah.
A
E
E
Let's
just
make
the
comment
that
digital
exclusion
doesn't
just
apply
to
people
who
are
seriously
disadvantaged.
It's
present
in
wider
society.
E
But
last
night
I
went
to
a
meeting
in
kirksville,
which
is
about
nepal
planning,
and
it
became
obvious
to
me
that
quite
a
group
of
middle
class,
males
elderly
middle
class
males,
I
would
say-
and
we
were
attacked
in
neighborhood-
planning
green
space
access
and
they
realized
that
most
people
in
the
room
were
excluded.
They,
if
you're,
going
to
talk
about
planning
policy
and
digital
mapping
you're
into
some
very
expensive
hardware,
you've
got
large
format
printers.
E
E
E
I
don't
think
we're
alive
to
that
and
we're
not
alive
as
a
council
to
the
need
for
people
to
have
quite
sophisticated
access
to
information,
so
they
can
make
a
case
about
soccer
pictures
in
their
area
about
open
space,
about
trees
and
so
forth,
which
are
all
relevant
political
points.
But
you
need
the
hardware
and
the
software
to
to
make
them
and
it's
as
a
spectrum,
as
it
were
from
absolute
deprivation
which
you've
described,
but
it
extends
into
middle
class.
Males
chewing
the
fat
on,
they
should
never
planning.
A
In
kirksville,
especially,
I
I'm
going
to
let
jason
come
back
on
that,
but
I
think
that
kind
of
strays
into
the
smart
cities
element
which
runs
in
parallel
with
this,
and
that
would
have
been
a
really
good
and
pertinent
question.
Is
it
pertinent
to
this
discussion
because
we're
talking
about
exclusion
in
certain
ways,
but
I
think
it
fits
more
into
the
smart
cities
agenda
than
it
does
into
what
we're
actually
focusing
on
today,
but
jason.
H
H
We,
I
think,
as
a
council
are
doing
some
of
what
you
say
earlier
this
week,
I
was
involved
in
a
conversation
around
innovation
spaces,
which
is
absolutely
something
that
I
know
the
chief
digital
information
officer
is
keen
to
see
more
of
in
the
city
which
absolutely
links
to
the
smart
cities.
Work
that
my
my
colleague,
stephen
blackburn,
leads
on.
That's
going
to
be
part
of
a
broader
innovation
and
strategy
team
within
the
new
structure
within
the
digital
and
information
service.
H
The
chief
officer
who
oversees
the
library,
service
and
libraries
and
community
hubs
was
on
that
call
about
innovation
spaces,
because
we
have,
as
a
council
a
number
of
spaces
that
are
open
to
the
public
that
have
really
good
infrastructure
within
libraries
and
community
hubs.
They
may
not
have
all
of
the
technology
that
you
mentioned,
but
as
we
start
to
expand
what
innovation
looks
like
within
the
council.
Certainly,
within
the
central
library
already,
they
have
absolutely
got
innovation
in
terms
of
their
audio
and
visual
offer.
H
So
they've
had
studio
12
for
many
years,
which
has
absolute
cutting
edge
technology,
that
people
can
go
in
and
use
for
free
and
it's
it's
over
standard
as
if
you
were
working
in
that
sector,
and
so
I
think,
you're
absolutely
right-
we
could
do
more
as
a
council
and
I
think,
without
preempting
the
paper
that
will
be
coming
to
this
board
later
in
the
year.
I
think
there
is
an
intention
to
do
more,
absolutely.
G
The
passion
clearly
comes
through
in
in
this
in
this
report,
but
but
my
question
really
is
how
many
people
are
absolutely
digitally
included,
because
a
lot
of
people
are
piggybacking.
On
the
back
of
someone
else,
I've
got
a
friend
of
mine
who
you
would
class
as
digital.
Excuse
me,
she
doesn't
have
a
smartphone,
not
a
tablet.
G
She
doesn't
have
the
internet
do
not
broadband,
but
yet
she
is
still
getting
the
benefit
out
of
some
digital
inclusion,
because
her
daughter
and
myself
are
are
doing
some
things
and,
of
course,
she's
think
you
know
she's
getting
easy
in
the
sense
because
she
said
I
could
do
it
doing
that.
G
But
the
the
other
side
of
the
coin
is
that
she
does
have
medical
issues
and
issues
with
the
council
in
a
sense
and
a
lot
of
people
also
tell
me.
Constituents
tell
me
that
the
the
purpose
that
the
nhs
and
the
council
doing
is
to
save
money,
and
you
reference
that
a
few
comments
ago,
and
I
think
that,
whilst
that
is
there
and
people's
view
is,
it
is
for
others
accounts
or
the
nhs
particularly
and
I've
had
two
comments
this
week
already
where
people
have
said,
I
can't
get
a
first
appointment.
G
G
But
whilst
that
is
is
there
that
is
a
big
barrier
to
them
doing
it,
because
in
the
case
of
the
nhs
they're
not
going
to
do
it
because
they
want
the
way
they
want
it,
and
that
is
in
the
case
of
most
of
my
face-to-face
appointment
with
their
gp
ain't
going
to
give
them
until
they've
gone
through
the
digital
system
and
if
they're
genuinely
digitally
excluded,
then
then
they
will
not
be
able
to
do
that.
But
if
they're
going
to
piggyback
off
someone
else
to
get
what
they
want,
then
they
will.
They
will
do
it.
G
A
More
broadly,
for
the
reasons
that
the
report
says
that
you've
kind
of
reinforced
paul
is
that
there
will
always
be
those
people,
for
whatever
reason
will
not
engage,
and
we
should
never
have
systems
that
don't
have
that
human
channel
of
access
for
one
of
a
better
description
as
opposed
to
simply
the
digital
one.
But
jason.
You
want
to
come
back
on
that.
H
H
H
I
think
it
would
just
come
back
to
something
that
we
talked
about
earlier,
which
is
it's
that
choice.
It
shouldn't
be
that
that
person
isn't
doing
it
for
themselves
because
that's
been
imposed
upon
them.
That's
been
a
decision,
that's
been
made
for
them
either
by
a
carer
or
a
support
worker
or
a
service.
It
should
be
about
everyone
having
an
informed
choice
and
equality
of
opportunity
to
access
those
tools,
those
services,
those
channels
in
the
way
that's
best
for
them
at
a
time,
that's
best
for
them,
so
I
think
apologies.
It
may
be
an
example.
H
H
She
felt
less
isolated
and
less
excluded
than
she
had
done
for
every
previous
winter
for
the
last
eight
years,
because
every
winter
as
soon
as
the
bad
weather
comes
and
the
dark
nights
come,
she
would
close
her
curtains
and
she
would
not
leave
the
house.
But
nobody
made
the
effort
to
digitally
include
her
at
that
point,
because
our
program
wasn't
active
at
that
point
during
covey,
despite
all
of
the
restrictions
and
the
isolations
and
everything
else,
she
felt
much
more
included
and
connected
because
crossgate's
good
neighbours.
H
So
for
us
it's
not
an
either
or
it
shouldn't
be
a
binary
choice.
Nobody
should
be
forced
down
a
channel.
The
other
thing
from
a
cost
savings
perspective,
though
that
is
worth
mentioning,
is
as
people
as
more
people
do
interact
digitally
what
that
does.
Is
it
frees
up
capacity?
It
frees
up
that
additional
capacity
to
see
people
face
to
face
who,
for
whatever
reason,
can't
or
don't
want
to
use
those
digital
channels
or
who
just
want
to
come
and
see
someone
face
to
face
because
their
inquiry
is
complex
or
their
health
conditions
really
complex.
H
I
A
Yeah
thanks
for
that
amy.
So
in
the
absence
of
any
other
comments
or
questions,
I'm
going
to
exercise
some
discipline
on
myself
as
chair
by
not
asking
the
rafter
questions
that
I
got,
because
I
think
the
discussion
has
gone
on
and
I
can
find
this
information
out
in
other
ways.
So
just
reminds
me
for
me
to
to
thank
you,
jason,
thank
you,
amy
for
your
attendance
and
for
the
obvious
enthusiasm
with
which
you
continue
to
pursue
this
agenda.
Basically,
the
recommendations,
we're
asked
to
endorse
the
approach
being
taken.
A
I
think
we've
done
that
on
the
hoof
to
agree
any
specific
scrutiny
actions
that
may
arise
from
the
report.
Maybe
one
of
those
is
revisiting
how
we
quantify
and
qualify
the
strategy
to
get
the
figures
that
councilor
martin
was
talking
about
and
to
continue
to
provide
oversight
which
obviously
it's
a
pleasure
to
continue
to
do
so.
Thanks
very
much
for
your
attendance.
A
A
Okay,
have
we
got
all
the
attendees
for
this
agenda
item?
You
could
have
come
and
sat
a
bit
closer
to
us,
but
now,
but
now
you're
there
you're
there
and
yeah.
Without
my
spectators,
I
can
just
see
three
blurs.
I
think
it's
three.
It
might
even
be
more
well.
What
I'm
going
to
do
is
to
to
ask
all
the
attendees,
including
council,
heading
to
I
identify
themselves
in
due
course,
but
just
by
way,
a
very
brief
introduction.
A
Every
year
this
scrutiny
board
is
charged
with
examining
the
key
performance
indicator
relating
to
those
people
killed
or
seriously
injured
on
our
roads,
and
it's
been
a
source
of
annual
concern.
Escalating
concern
to
such
an
extent
that
we
decided
that,
rather
than
just
doing
it
as
a
one-off,
we
would
conduct
a
more
detailed
inquiry
into
road
safety,
particularly
in
the
context
of
the
incipient
vision,
zero
and
we've
completed
most
of
that
inquiry.
A
J
Thank
you
chair.
I
feel
a
bit
like
on
my
own
here,
but
anyway,
yeah
helen
hayden,
council
of
temple,
news
and
the
exec
member
for
infrastructure
and
climate.
Thank
you.
K
L
Hey
good
morning,
yeah,
I'm
I'm
joel
dodson,
I'm
utmc
manager
so
responsible
for
traffic
signals.
Things
like
that.
M
Yeah,
no
problem
a
brief
summary,
so
there
are
some
policy
documents
and
procedures
in
the
pack
that,
hopefully,
you
guys
will
have
seen
a
bit
of
a
summary
of
the
service,
so
basically
cost
and
control
service
isn't
a
statutory
service.
It's
a
permissive
service
that
we
carry
out
at
discretion
so
that
the
policy
follows
the
national
guidance
visit,
which
is
in
the
bundle
which
was
produced
by
road
safety,
gp
and
it's
updated
in
2018,
and
our
policy
is
based
around
that
and
has
been
updated.
M
He
states,
audits
are
taking
place
on
requests
from
schools
or
members
of
public
or
from
councillors,
and
the
criteria
set
down
in
the
guidance
is
based
around
the
numbers
of
people
crossing
the
school
at
particular
times,
and
the
number
of
vehicles
that
they're
crossing
and
the
type
of
vehicles
we
do
try
to
stick
to
the
criteria
as
much
as
possible.
It's
really
emotive
and
subjective
subjects,
and
I'm
sure
you
guys
are
aware
that
you'll
get
lots
of
calls
and
concerns
around
it
really
really
difficult
to
apply
discretion
fairly.
M
So
we
try
and
stick
to
the
the
criteria
as
much
as
possible,
and
we
are
aware,
obviously
that
is
a
really
emotive
subject
and
safety
of
people's
children
is
really
important
to
people.
So
we
have
just
recently
introduced
an
option
for
people
to
pay
for
service,
so
schools
can
pay
for
service
direct
if
they
don't
meet
the
criteria
set
out
in
the
standard
and
we've
recently
had
two
schools
actually
want
to
do
that.
It's
just
at
cost.
So
there's
no
one
costing
overhead.
M
It's
just
for
the
cost
of
the
person
that
that
does
it's
called
custom
patrol
and
then
the
average
cost
is
about
four
to
five
thousand
pounds
per
year.
For
that
and
we've
got
78
established
crossings
out
of
the
215
schools,
78
school
crossing
patrol
wardens
with
seven
more
battles
who'll
cover
when
school
cross
trail
wardens
are
off.
Recruitment
historically
has
been
really
difficult.
These
can
be
really
short
hours.
It
can
be
45
minutes
on
the
morning
45
minutes
on
an
afternoon,
and
I've
always
said
it's
a
vocation
rather
than
a
rather
than
a
career.
M
We've
had
to
make
changes
because
it
has
been
difficult,
more
difficult
to
recruit
and
we've
done
things
like
jewelry
rolls,
where
we've
bundled
up
jobs,
so
cleaning
jobs
called
crossing
patrol
jobs,
teaching
assistant
jobs,
bundle
it
up
with
school
customer
patrol
awards,
and
so
there
are
more
hours
it's
more
attractive,
so
recruitment's
not
been
as
difficult
as
what
it
has
been.
Historically
in
the
past
year,
we've
had
10
requests
for
audits,
out
of
that,
10
and
7
didn't
hit
the
criteria
for
school.
M
A
There
we
go
are
the
criteria
them
for
school
crossing
patrol
more
onerous
of
a
better
expression
than
those
for
pedestrian
crossings,
because
you
said
that
if
they
don't
meet
your
criteria
then
pass
them
on
to
highways.
To
look
at
other
measures
such
as
every
crossings,
pedestrian
contra,
light
control
crossings,
and
I
think
our
experience
as
ward
members
is
that
trying
to
get
a
crossing
is
even
more
difficult
than
trying
to
get
a
school
crossing
ward.
And
so
perhaps
you
could
just
explain
that
to
us.
K
Gee
I'd
have
to
get
back
to
you
nick
hunt,
I
think
was
intending
to
come
along
today,
but
he's
unfortunately
not
well.
I
would
imagine
that
the
school
crossing
patrol
would
be
the
first
point
of
call,
so
it
would
be
slightly
easier
to
meet
the
the
criteria
and
then
the
next
step
up
would
be
a
physical
measure.
A
Yeah,
I
I
have
to
admit
I've
been
approached
by
several
schools
over
the
years
about
the
process,
so
hopefully
from
what
you
were
saying
richard.
That
information
is
now
more
accessible
and
highlighted
to
schools
rather
than
having
to
come
via
another
direction.
Yeah.
Could
you
and-
and
the
other
thing
is,
how
far
are
we
now
publicizing
this
alternative
approach
of
where
you
don't
meet
the
criteria?
There
is
still
a
possibility
of
paying
for
and
recruiting
your
own
crossing
board.
M
B
B
We
sort
of
jump
into
solutions
before
we've
identified
problems
and
I'd
have
thought
the
way
if
there's
a
problem
with
road
safety
at
a
school
or
in
any
location
that
should
be
looked
at
and
then
the
solution
pulled
out
rather
than
saying
well,
if
it's
not
the
school
crossing
patrol
we'll
go
on
to
the
said
for
crossing,
and
I
think
if
part
of
this
inquiry
could
could
just
get
those
different
parts
working
closer
together
on
a
solution
basis.
B
Rather,
you
know
on
identifying
the
problem
and
then
the
appropriate
solution,
rather
than
looking
for
a
solution
in
in
different
parts
of
the
council.
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
way
forward.
Thank
you.
M
G
Is
he
right
that
if
you
have
a
zebra
crossing,
you
will
fail
the
audit
before
you
start
in
that
effect,
and
that
said,
people
still
get
run
over
children
still
get
run
over
on
zebra
crossings,
because
people
fail
to
stop
whether
they
be
raised
or
not.
I
expect
that
out
of
the
10
one
school
in
my
award
was
an
audit,
an
audit
that
failed.
The
school
were
not
made
aware
that
they
could
pay.
G
G
They
weren't
aware
that
they
weren't
going
to
get
another
one
until
it
had
happened
and
the
warden
didn't
another
one
didn't
reappear
and
they
weren't
offered
the
opportunity
to
try
to
recruit
rewarding
themselves
and
in
general
they're,
quite
disgruntled
about
it,
as
are
the
as
other
parents,
because
they
weren't
communicated
to
either.
The
only
thing
that
happened
was
that
a
local
council
asked
for
a
review
and
that
review
failed,
and
I
think
that
review
might
have
been
redone
and
still
failed
on
numbers.
M
Thank
you
yeah.
If
it
is
every
crossing,
then
it
doesn't
make
any
difference
whatsoever.
If
it's
a
light,
it
costs
in
the
policy
and
the
guidance
dates.
If
it's
a
lighted
crossing,
then
we
don't
even
do
an
audit.
Then
it
doesn't
qualify
for
crossing
patrol
warden,
but
if
it's
ever
crossing
it
doesn't
have
any
relevance.
It
must
have
been
the
number
of
people
passing
in
the
number
of
vehicles.
M
D
Thank
you,
yeah,
just
picking
up
on
what
council
bentley
said
about
working
together,
I
think,
if
we're
going
to
look
at
the
the
whole
vision,
zero
strategy
regarding
safety
around
schools,
then
it's
good
to
see
that
we're
discussing
crossings,
wardens
and
school
streets,
but
we
have
to
stick
into
the
mix
the
parking
issues
around
schools
as
well.
K
I
can
certainly
help
counselor
the
parking
issues
around
schools
are
very
difficult
to
deal
with.
As
you
know,
so
I
think
the
traditional
approach
has
been
to
work
with
schools,
but
really
we
need
to
change
the
behavior
of
the
parents
and
that's
maybe
something
that
we
haven't
tapped
into
before.
So
it's
trying
to
find
new
ways
and
that's
the
purpose
of
fission
zero.
K
It's
a
new
approach
and
we
need
to
look
at
how
we
can
work
differently
to
resolve
some
of
these
issues,
but
key
is
definitely
changing
the
behavior
school
streets
through
the
trial
we've
seen
some
changes
in
how
parents
and
children
get
to
school,
so
we've
seen
a
slight
increase
in
inactive
travel
modes,
which
is
really
good,
and
we
need
to
do
some
more
work
with
the
schools
and
with
the
school
community
to
try
and
get
that
change
as
part
of
school
streets
so
yeah.
I
absolutely
agree.
K
We
really
need
to
tackle
school
parking.
A
Richard
you
indicated
that
it's
an
increase
in
pay
and
various
other
elements
and
improved
things
in
terms
of
recruitment.
So
where
are
we
actually
with
recruitment
because,
historically,
for
the
reason
you
described
the
role
being
a
vocational
one?
No
one's
going
to
get
rich
in
you
know,
funder,
holiday
and
barbados
on
the
basis
of
what
crossing
wardens
are
paid.
So
how
far
is
recruitment
improved
and
how
far
is
it
still
a
challenge,
especially,
for
example,
not
just
in
newly
identified
sites,
but
where
there's
a
retirement.
M
It
has
improved
a
lot
of
national
living
with
the
the
voluntary
living
wage,
helped
a
lot
it
it
sort
of
pulls
above
the
other
type
of
industries.
It
would
normally
recruit
from
the
dual
rules,
have
really
helped
so
where
we've
got
additional
hours.
So
I
think
at
the
minute
we've
got
two
vacancies
out
of
79,
which
has
been
really
good.
Probably
the
best
position
we've
ever
been
in.
A
I
know
there
will
always
be
the
difficulty
of
the
council
being
accused
of
offloading
the
cost,
but
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
we
do
apply
a
national
criteria
and
you've
got
to
start
somewhere
in
terms
of
prioritizing
where
the
resource
is
focused.
So
thanks
very
much
for
that.
So
moving
on
to
pedestrian
crossings,
I
think
that's
huge
oil.
Is
it.
L
So
I
yeah,
I
suppose
my
that's
my
my
role
today
is
just
to
talk
through
the
changes
that
we've
made
to
the
to
the
way
that
we
operate
pedestrian
crossings
and
the
new
technology
that
we're
installing
at
pedestrian
crossings.
Now,
and
so
it's
one
of
the
appendix
three
is
the
report
that
we've
published
when
was
published
last
year,
which
sets
out
so
updated
an
updated
policy
and
in
this
various
aspects
to
that.
L
So
there's
a
mixture
of
new
technology,
but
there's
also
changes
to
the
safety
timings
on
on
crossings.
L
So
we
we
looked
at
a
few
studies
that
have
been
done,
looking
at
the
mean
walking
speeds
of
different
sort
of
age
groups
and
that
found
that
for
the
for
those
aged
over
65
and
the
mean
walking,
speed
is
actually
not
0.8
meters
per
second,
which
is
which
the
the
guidance
up
until
recently
has
been
to
use
a
speed
of
1.2
meters
per
second
and
actually
dropping
that
design,
walking
speed
to
0.8
meters
per
second
and
gives
you
well
in
some
instances
quite
a
lot
longer
clearance
time,
and
so
that
so
we're
talking
about
after
the
green
man's
finished.
L
Basically,
the
time
that
you
then
get
to
finish
crossing,
so
we've
adopted
that
at
all
new
or
refurbished
crossings,
and
so
that'll
obviously
work
its
way
through
the
asset
as
as
we
as
we
refurbish
every
site
over
the
coming
years,
so
so
that
that
was
one
of
the
things
we
looked
at.
We
then
also
looked
at
the
waiting
time
for
pedestrians
at
crossings,
and
there
are
various
studies
and
they're
set
out
in
that
report,
but
essentially
they
look
at
the
the
maximum
waiting
time.
L
Pedestrians
are
prepared
to
wait
before
they
basically
cross
without
waiting
for
the
green
man,
and
there
were
a
series
of
studies
and
the
the
shortest
waiting
time
before
before
pedestrians.
You
know
start
to
cross,
you
know
without
the
green
man.
The
range
is
between
21
and
28
seconds,
and
so
we
chose
to
go
with
with
the
mean
of
25
seconds,
which
is
like
the
shortest
range
out
of
those
studies,
because
we
feel
like
we
should
be
adopting
sort
of
the
best
practice
sort
of
internationally.
L
So
so
we've
adopted
a
25
second
maximum
weight
for
pedestrians
again.
This
is
this
is
a
new
and
refurbished
crossings
and
and
the
reason
for
it
being
focused
on
new
refurbished
crossings
is
just
the
results.
It
takes
to
tackle
every
every
crossing
to
introduce
this
and
we've
also.
L
So
so
that's
things
that
we
can
do
without
new
technology,
but
the
the
new
technology
that
we're
adding
on
is
looking
at
a
couple.
There's
two
areas,
but
one
is
that
we
can
demand
a
crossing
without
possession
having
to
push
push
the
button
and
and
that's
obviously
helpful
for
those
people
who
might
find
it
difficult
physically
to
push
the
button.
And
so
so.
Obviously
that
is
helpful
in
terms
of
inclusivity.
L
But
the
other
thing
is
that
we
can
then
automatically
extend
the
length
of
the
green
man.
So
if
you've
got
people
who
might
take
a
bit
longer
to
actually
get
established
on
the
crossing
and
then
we
can
obviously
carry
on
displaying
the
green
man
or
if
there's
a
high
volume
of
pedestrians
so
like
at
a
school,
for
example,
at
certain
times
of
the
day,
there's
a
big
volume
of
pedestrians,
and
previously
it's
taking
things
like
warden
keys
and
things
like
that.
L
But
obviously
we
can
start
to
make
that
an
automatic
extension
of
the
green
man,
so
so
I
think
I've
covered
a
few
of
the
areas
there,
but
but
effectively.
That's
what
we're
doing
on
the
signal
control
side
to
improve
road
safety.
A
Okay,
thanks
very
much,
it's
helen.
J
I
just
if
it's
all
right
just
to
add
to
that,
because
when
I
came
into
this
role
I
thought
you
just
pressed
the
button
and
the
lights
kind
of
changed,
and
and
what
have
you?
It's
an
incredibly
complex
system.
We've
got
across
the
city
and
I
just
want
to
say
huge
thanks
to
joel
and
his
team
and
for
all
the
work
that's
gone
and
the
new
center
that's
been
created
and
up
and
running
soon,
if
not
now
so.
J
But
this
changed
to
pedestrian
first,
that
will
is
being
rolled
out
across
the
city
and
not
having
to
be
usain
bolt
to
get
across
the
you
know
the
crossing
in
time,
because
1.2
meters
per
second
sounds
a
bit
quick
to
me,
but
I'm
sure
that
we
could
probably
do
it.
But
I
don't
know
the
if
especially
you've
got
children
with
you
or
oh
you're,
more
infirm
or
elderly.
Then
it
sounds
like
very
quick
to
me.
J
So
I
just
want
to
really
thank
the
team,
but
and
it
all
fits
into
the
division-
zero
as
well,
about
putting
pedestrians
first
about
crossings
actually
recognizing
people
rather
than
cars
first,
which
freaks
me
out
a
bit,
but
it's,
I
think
it
just
outside
schools
that
the
green
man
will
be
on
for
longer-
or
maybe
I
should
say
green
person-
I
don't
know
so,
but
it's
yeah
I've,
just
I'm
really
really
impressed
and
pleased,
and
it's
one
of
those
services
that
goes
on
without
us
really
noticing,
but
is
incredibly
important.
G
Thank
you
chair.
Obviously,
my
water's
got
scoot,
I
believe
if
it's
if
it
ever
was
put
in,
I
haven't
been
told
it's
been
completed,
but
it
got
all
the
refurbishment
done
for
for
that.
But
I
don't
think
anybody
has
seen
a
great
deal
of
difference
and
it's
the
waiting
times
generally.
That
are
the
problem,
because
the
a65
goes
in
peaks
and
troughs
it
has
busy
periods
and
quiet
periods.
G
And
when
you
press
the
button,
as
I
did
as
I
did
last
night,
I
had
to
wait
and
I
missed
one
gap
that
I
could
have
gone
across
as
I'm
not
waiting
for
it.
G
But
of
course
the
pedestrians
not
going
to
wait
at
all
now
because
effectively,
the
highway
code
has
made
the
whole
of
the
highway
or
zebra
crossing
where,
if
they're
going
straight
on,
they
can
just
walk
across
and
we
have
to
stop
and
pedestrians
are
using
that
to
their
advantage
and
probably
over
their
advantage.
Now,
because
most
pedestrians,
that's
the
case.
So
it's
a
case
of
is
scoot.
The
best
of
the
questions
is
scoot.
The
best
thing
is
it
working
on
the
a65
and
does
it
do
it?
Improvements
for
everybody.
L
So,
on
your
first
question:
yes,
so
the
the
technology
that's
been
put
in,
there
is
capable
of
doing
what
I've
been
talking
about,
but
it
was
well
shortly
before
we
adopted
this
these.
These
elements
that
I've
talked
about.
So
actually
it's
part
of
the
annual
program
that
for
this
year
that
I'm
about
to
bring
that
actually
includes
an
element
of
revisiting
recently
recently
installed
sites
to
then
bring
them
up
to
the
same.
The
same
sort
of
standard
as
this,
so
so
that
work
through
through
your
ward
is
largely
complete.
L
But
there
are
some
areas
where,
due
to
issues
with
the
the
the
hardware
that
went
in
there,
that
took
a
little
bit
of
time
for
the
contract
to
sort
out.
L
It
just
takes
a
little
bit
of
time
to
work
through
the
the
new
technology
and
and
some
teething
issues,
sometimes
but
but
yeah
that
will
get
picked
up
this
year.
L
So
it
was
about
three
or
four
years
ago,
but
it's
just.
There
are
different
elements
of
this
because
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
go
into
refurbishing
the
sites,
there's
a
lot
of
civils
work.
That
happens.
You
know
through
that
process.
L
So
so
and
it's
an
issue
that
I
have
a
lot
in
in
my
role
that
people
think
that
it's
done
when
the
new
shiny
polls
go
in,
but
it
isn't
and
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
goes
on
behind
the
scenes
after
that
point
and
so
yeah.
So
so
it's
kind
of
substantially
complete
that
piece
of
work
in
that
the
physical
equipment
is
in
there
and
but
there
is
still
work
on
the
on
refining
the
strategies.
So
so,
like
I
say
we
we
are
going
to
revisit
that
this
year.
A
C
Thank
you
chair.
Just
a
couple
of
brief
points.
Walking
now,
as
in
being
a
pedestrian,
always
seems
to
be
conflated
as
walking
cycling.
C
But
this
brought
me
on
to
the
question
I
wanted
to
ask
really
was
that
most
members
will
have
read
about
the
woman
who
crossed
the
road
in
in
london,
and
the
traffic
was
all
stopped
at
a
red
light,
so
she
was
entitled
to
cross
and
she
was
hit
by
a
cyclist
and
subs.
She
subsequently
died
and
he
had
there's
not.
C
There
are
no
offenses
that
he
could
be
charged
with
and
he
was
finally
charged
under
a
victorian
law
entitled
wanton
and
furious
driving,
which
was
obviously
at
the
time
referring
to
carriages
and
he
was
dealt
with
under
the
law.
So
I
just
eventually
so
I
just
wanted
to
ask
whether
we
had
any
input
or
comment
to
make
about
what
should
be
done
about
that
and
then
secondly,
the
the
green
man.
C
I
noticed
a
few
months
ago
for
the
first
time
that
when
you
arrive
at
a
pedestrian
crossing
now
with
the
green
man
and
you
press
the
button,
you
used
to
see
the
green
mountain.
On
the
other
side
of
the
road-
and
you
could
you
just
looked
ahead
and
you
could
see
it
and
now
it's
sort
of
down
here
somewhere
to
the
right
or
the
left
and
it's
not
as
visible,
and
I
just
wondered
whether
there'd
been
a
a
reason
for
that.
L
Yeah,
so
on
your
first
point,
I
I'm-
I
don't
know
I
have
to
take
that
away
and
and
look
into
it,
because
I
I'm
not
aware
of
that
particular
incident,
but
I
can
look
into
it
on
the
second
point
yeah.
L
So
so
we
for
a
number
of
years
now
have
been
moving
towards
what
we
call
nearside
displays,
as
opposed
to
far
side
displays,
and
there
are
a
number
of
reasons
for
that,
but
but
primarily
the
there
were
studies
done
when
that
was
first
brought
in
the
idea
of
puffing
crossings
and
having
nearside
displays
that
showed
that
that,
ultimately,
it's
actually
safer
to
do
that
than
have
the
far
side
displays.
L
Even
though
people
who
are
used
to
the
far
side
displays
and
have
been
for
a
number
of
years,
can
find
it
a
little
bit
disconcerting
the
principle
that
once
you
have
stepped
off
the
curb.
The
idea
is
that
you
don't
see
anything
because
actually
seeing
a
display
across
across
the
other
side
of
the
crossing,
and
when
that
goes
red
people
can
panic.
It
can
cause
some
people
to
to
basically
turn
back
or
have
a
kind
of
a
bit
of
a
panic
in
the
middle
of
the
road.
L
So
so,
ultimately,
we
have
decided
to
move
to
near
side
displays
and
they
can.
There
can
be
issues
with
that
in
which-
and
actually
the
main
issue
is
that
they
can.
If
you
have
people
waiting
and
you
come
along
and
somebody's
stood
in
front
of
it,
you
can't
see
you
can't
see
the
display
and
you'll
notice
that
around
the
city
center
tends
to
be
higher
volume,
pedestrian
sites.
You
there's
there's
a
high
what
we
call
a
high
level
repeater
unit
above
that
to
improve
the
visibility.
L
We
did
do
a
big
sort
of
assessment
of
this
a
couple
of
years
ago,
looking
at
the
pros
and
cons,
because
there
definitely
are
pros
and
cons
of
both
it's
not
clear-cut.
But
overall,
when
you
look
at
everything,
the
nearside
displays
are
the
are
the
best
way
to
go,
and
that's
something
that
I
can.
I
can
dig
out
and
and
send
around,
but
but
effectively
yeah.
We
did
a
big
assessment
on
that.
L
J
C
E
E
So
you
know
how
much
time
there
is
to
cross
if
you,
in
the
middle
of
the
road-
and
it's
really
useful
information-
is
that
you
don't
attempt
to
think
you've
only
got
two
seconds
before
the
traffic
is
going
to
start
moving
up
towards
you,
and
it
looks
to
me
as
though
you
can't
have
seconds
timers
if
you're
going
to
have
near
side
displays.
Am
I
right
about
that
right?
This
readings
issues.
L
Sorry,
yes,
you
are
right
and,
and
it's
it's
a
balancing
act,
but
the
so
once
you
put
timers
in
your
clearance
time
is
fixed,
which
means
that
you
have
to
run
that
clearance
time,
regardless
of
whether
anybody's
still
in
the
crossing
or
not,
and
so
overall,
your
efficiency
of
the
cross
in
the
junction,
whatever
it
is,
goes
down
by
quite
a
lot
and
and
our
viewers
that
we
would
prefer
to
happen
that
that
time
back
to
pedestrians
by
being
able
to
say
shorten
the
cycle
time
to
shorten
the
shorten
the
overall
weight
till
the
next
green.
E
Supplementary
I
mean
I
hear
what
you're
saying
and
I
can
see
the
logic
of
what
you're
saying,
but
the
specific
locations
I'm
thinking
about,
which
is
brixton
tube
station.
It
is
a
very,
very
busy
junction
with
huge
crowds
of
people
swimming
across
the
road,
because
you
know
obviously
busy
and
wouldn't
you
agree
that
different
rules
perhaps
should
apply
to
a
really
high
volume
crossing
to
those
that
we
apply
to
occasional
cars.
And
you
know
rural
situations.
L
Yeah
and
it's
all
things
that
we've
considered,
but
we
also
then
look
to
the
consistency
of
approach
between
crossings
and
the
potential
for,
because
obviously,
there's
inconsistency
at
the
moment,
because
we're
moving
towards
near
side
but
ultimately
we'll
get
to
the
point
where
every
crossing
is
near
side
and
if
you
then
have
some
that
are
far
side
within
that,
then
then
you,
you,
reintroducing
that
consistency
problem.
E
Crossing
in
needs
at
the
sir
john
center
on
the
in
a
loop
that
seems
to
get
slightly
different
approach
to
signal
timing,
because
again
there
are
great
crowds
of
shoppers
going
across
and
it's
it's.
It's
very
busy
generally
comments
on
the
inner
loop
crossing
between
the
marion
center
and
the
john's
center.
L
I'm
not
sure
what
you
mean
by
when
it's
treated
differently,
but
yeah
I
mean
it
does
get
along.
It
gets
along
green
time,
there's
a
big
volume
of
pedestrians
and
there's
nothing
to
stop
us
giving
longer
green
times
that
countdown
timer
is
for
the
time
after
the
green.
L
You
know
until
vehicles
start
again
and
there's
there's
various
reasons.
Why
why
that's,
although
it's
kind
of
a
nice
to
have
we'd,
prefer
to
try
and
and
and
use
that
time
back
where
we've
come
to
shorten
the
waiting
time
for
pedestrians,
because
actually
then
the
more
often
you
can
serve
the
pedestrians,
the
fewer
pedestrians
per
cycle
you're
dealing
with
so
actually
it
kind
of
it
reduces
that
problem
anyway
and
a
lot
of
those
crossings
in
not
not
to
compare
us
with
london
too
much,
but
in
london
the
cycle
times
are
really
high.
L
So
there's
a
there's
a
long
waiting
time
for
pedestrians,
so
there's
a
huge
sort
of
crowd
of
pedestrians
built
up
by
the
time
they
come
across,
so
so
yeah.
So,
like
I
say
we
we
considered
all
of
this
at
great
length
and
and
like
I
say
you
did
you
think.
Well,
yeah
file
size
could
be
good
in
some
situations,
but
it's
just
yeah
consistency
and
making
sure
that
we
don't
reintroduce
that
issue.
A
Okay,
thanks
for
that,
just
before
we
wind
this
up,
I
just
wanted
to
fire
off
a
few
questions
in
no
particular
order.
What's
the
average
cost
of
installing
a
light
control
crossing-
and
I
know
it
will
vary
depending
on
utilities
and
the
particular
site
do
how
closely
well,
I'm
sure
we
closely
monitor
the
number
of
accidents
at
crossings
and
is
that
a
source
of
concern
generally
or
any
particular
location?
A
How
long
does
it
normally
take
from
the
identification
of
a
crossing
site
where
it's
approved
and
meets
the
criteria
to
the
actual
implementation
and
when
we're
carrying
out
the
surveys?
How
broad
can
the
survey
be,
for
example,
on
a
stretchy
road
where
there
might
be
a
number
of
crossing
points
desire
lines
that
people
use?
L
Road
might
have
to
repeat
some
of
those
questions
one
by
one,
okay,
but
so
so
in
terms
of
the
the
average
cost
I
mean
yeah,
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
difficult
one
now
because
there's
so
many
different
different
issues,
so
it
can
range
from
between
sort
of
50
about
50
000
pounds
up
to
78
thousand
pounds.
L
Basically,
you
there's
different
ways
of
implementing
the
vehicle
detection.
For
example,
one
of
those
is
to
duct,
say
100
meters
in
on
each
approach.
You
can
imagine
it's
quite
expensive,
but
generally
gives
you
the
best
results
and
alternatives,
as
you
can
use
above
ground
detection
things
like
that
which
a
lot
cheaper
so
that
that
ranges
quite
a
lot
in
terms
of
the
time
to
implement.
L
I
mean
that
really
is
just
around
what
what
are
the
commitments
we
have
in
in
say
on
your
programs
and
things
like
that
and
the
time
it
takes
to
design
up
and
send
to
the
contractor,
I
mean
to
design
it
up
can
take
say
a
month
and
then
you're
once
you've
got
your
orders
out
to
a
contract.
A
On
behalf
of
those
using
the
crossing
and
the
fact
that
motorists
aren't
familiar
with
the
site
and
the
final
one
was
if
you've
got
a
stretch
of
problematic
road
that
local
members
local
community
are
concerned
about,
it
may
be
that
there
are
a
number
of
different
crossing
points,
none
of
which
meet
the
criteria.
But
if
there
was
a
crossing
and
people
use
the
crossing
rather
than
their
desire
lines,
it
might
help
to
solve.
The
problem
where
there
is
there
are.
There
are
concerns.
So
it's
just
how
flexible
this
you
know.
L
Yeah,
I
think,
probably
on
on
that
second
question:
it's
something
that
that
unfortunately,
probably
be
a
question
for
nick
hunt
who
hasn't
been
able
to
make
it.
In
terms
of
that
you
know
the
criterion
and
and
that
side
of
things
in
terms
of
the
the
accidents
I
mean
all
accidents
that
cause
cause
injury
are
reported
and
recorded.
L
But
what
I
would
say
is
that
it's
something
that
I
am
interested
in
in
having
maybe
a
more
a
more
formal
review
within
within
my
team,
certainly
of
the
of
those
accident
statistics
for
crossings
and
post
the
introduction
of
the
policy
that
we've
we've
introduced,
just
to
to
make
sure
that
we
are
to
monitor
what
difference
we
are
making,
but
also
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
as
much
as
we
can
on
those
sites
and-
and
you
know,
review
them.
If
we
think
that
there's
any
issues
arising.
K
Thanks
counselor,
a
paper
went
to
executive
board.
Last
sorry,
no
executive
word
highways
boards
last
month
just
to
explain
the
process
to
make
the
12
sites
permanent
through
the
the
traffic
regulation
order
process.
So
that's
underway
at
the
moment.
So
we
had
six
schools
in
phase
one
and
then
another
eight
and
phase
two.
Unfortunately,
two
of
the
sites,
weren't
working
as
well
as
we
would
have
hoped,
and
we
won't
progress
with
a
permanent
tiaro
at
those
two
sites.
K
K
We
hope
that
there'll
be
some
funding
available
through
the
combined
authority
in
the
next
12
months
for
additional
school
streets,
and
we
would
hope
to
be
able
to
apply
that
learning
if
we're
successful
in
receiving
that
funding.
K
Some
really
interesting
feedback
from
from
the
school
communities
from
residents
largely
supportive,
but
there
are
quite
a
a
number
of
complaints
from
from
people
and
that's
really
the
difficulty
that
we've
got
at
the
moment,
because
there
aren't
any
opportunities
to
enforce
other
than
through
the
rhodes
policing
unit.
At
the
moment
there
could
be
some
changes
coming
through
traffic
management
act
that
could
allow
us
to
enforce
slightly
differently.
K
E
We
had
a
school
street
in
kirksville
where
we
basically
lost.
We
tried
to
implement
one
at
sacred
heart
school
and
basically
we
were
beaten
down
by
the
parents,
which
is
disappointing
the
outcome.
I
felt
that
it
wasn't
problematic
at
junction.
We
were
justifying
what
we
were
trying
to
do
and
we
failed.
I
wonder
what
happens
next.
K
The
the
school
street
at
b,
crofton
sacred
heart
school
yeah.
We
we
tried
to
work
with
both
schools
and
and
the
parents
to
to
to
to
try
and
resolve
some
of
those
issues.
What
we
did
find
at
that
particular
site
was
that
there
were
pre-existing
parking
problems
around
eastern
gardens,
eden
crescent.
K
We
hadn't
picked
up
on
those
when
we
put
the
school
street
in
and
the
reason
for
that
is
because
we
moved
really
quickly
with
that
school
street
trial.
If
you
remember
it
was
during
covid,
we
didn't
have
the
time
to
go
out
and
do
those
pre-surveys
traffic
was
almost.
There
was
no
traffic,
it
was
during
covet.
K
The
schools
were
not
in
session
either.
So
that's
one
of
the
key
pieces
of
learning
through
this
evaluation
is
that
we
need
to
do
that.
Pre-Work,
look
at
what
the
existing
issues
are
before
we
put
a
school
street
in
and
make
that
decision
to
say
is
a
school
street
the
the
correct
solution
here
or
do
we
need
to
put
it
in
with
other
measures,
so
other
tros
other
parking
restrictions.
So
it's
a
much
more
holistic
approach
for
this
next
phase.
If
we
want
to
go
forward
with
that.
E
K
K
There
is
an
opportunity,
as
I
suggested,
through
the
combined
authority
for
additional
funding
for
the
next
phase,
so
we
would
hope
to
move
away
from
that
trial
phase
and
make
this
a
an
ongoing
program.
We
also
think
that
there's
ways
that
we
can
introduce
school
streets
as
part
of
development
works
that
are
ongoing
at
schools.
K
We
would
want
schools
and
local
members
to
make
a
commitment
to
supporting
the
school
street
understanding
the
limitations
and
that
we
have
around
enforcement
and
helping
us
to
make
that
decision.
That
is
a
school
street
right
in
this
location,
and
these
are
some
of
the
problems
that
might
happen
because
it
can't
be
a
drain
on
our
resources.
It
needs
to
be
a
positive
move
and
has
to
be
supported.
A
F
K
When
we
went
out
to
trial-
and
we
got
quite
a
bit
of
interest
from
councillors
and
schools
to
say-
we've
saw
this
in
the
news
we
would
like
to
have
a
school
street.
What
we
need
to
do
is
apply
some
criteria,
so
it's
really
dependent
on
the
site,
so
it
has
to
be
on
a
20
mile,
an
hour,
restricted
road.
We
need
to
look
at
the
number
of
entry
points
on
this
street.
That
would
be
restricted
and
we
need
to
look
at
things
like
accesses
to
residences
businesses
to
the
school
itself.
K
We
would
want
to
see
a
park
and
stride
site
so
that
if
parents
don't
have
any
other
option,
other
than
to
drive
there
is
somewhere
safe
to
to
park,
drop
the
the
children
off
and
then
make
that
short
walk
to
school.
So
these
are
all
things
that
we're
learning
through
that
trial.
So
we
could
do
it
in
a
number
of
ways.
K
We
would
obviously
have
to
rate
the
schools
in
terms
of
priority
as
well
and
so
that'll
all
come
out
as
part
of
that
evaluation
and
we'll
make
a
recommendation
about
how
schools
counselors
parents
residents
can
make
suggestions
for
those
sites,
but
they
would
need
to
meet
the
criteria
first
and
foremost,
so
not
every
site
suitable
and-
and
that's
that
work
that
we
really
need
to
do
to
make
sure
it's
a
success
before
we
put
in.
F
A
So
you
know,
I
think,
that's
always
got
to
be
built
into
into
the
process.
But
can
I
ask
just
a
few
questions?
There
are
two
schools,
one
in
phase
one
one
in
phase
two,
where
the
experiment
the
trial
was
not
progressed.
Could
you
perhaps
give
us
a
bit
more
detail
as
to
the
reason
for
that
and
then
on
page
151
table
1,
just
a
few
questions
arising
from
that?
How
are
residents
actually
consulted
and
encouraged
to
feed
back
on
their
their
personal
perspective
of
the
implementation
of
the
school
streets?
A
A
How
does
that
quite
stack
up
and
final
question
is
how
far
the
early
stages
do
the
schools
or
yourselves
consult
with
the
local
police?
Because,
again
quite
often,
there
will
be
issues
that
either
sporadically
or
consistently
require
the
attention
of
a
uniformed
officer.
K
I'll
try
and
work
through
those
those
questions
in
order,
counselor,
so
clap.
Sorry,
crossgate
school
was
quite
an
unusual
site
and
I
guess
this
was
also
part
of
the
trial
and
what
we
were
trying
to
achieve
was
was
to
identify
the
best
sites
or
the
most
appropriate
sites
now
cross
gates.
We
had
quite
a
a
big
area
around
the
school
where
we
wanted
to
apply
the
restrictions.
K
We
very
quickly
learned
that
it
was
too
big
an
area
and
we
had
to
reduce
that
so
the
number
of
streets
where
you
could
enter-
and
it
was
restricted,
I
think-
was
reduced
by
around
half.
There
was
still
quite
a
considerable
number
of
entry
points
and
that's
been
the
difficulty
it's
getting
school
volunteers
to
man.
Those
points
coupled
with
the
lack
of
enforcement
and
power
that
we
have
outside
of
london
to
make
school
streets
successful.
K
As
I've
mentioned
before
at
bcroft,
there
were
some
pre-existing
parking
issues
that
we
hadn't
been
quite
aware.
We
had
to
move
really
quickly.
We
installed
these
within
around
four
weeks,
so
we
didn't
have
that
time
to
do
that.
K
That
sort
of
level
of
work
and
that's
what
we
want
to
do
in
the
next
stage
is
to
make
it
a
much
more
robust
process
and
make
sure
that
we
involve
the
schools,
the
the
members
residents
and
make
sure
that
it
is
supported
in
terms
of
the
the
local
police
we
started
off
at
the
top.
So
at
the
time
it
was
chief
inspector
padwell.
K
I
think
it's
also
important
to
remember
that
only
the
rhodes
policing
unit
can
enforce
a
school
street.
The
resources
off
the
roads,
policing
unit
might
not
prioritize
a
school
street
and
that's
not
a
decision
that
we
can
make.
We
can
try
and
work
with
the
police
and
get
the
rhodes
policing
units
around
school
street
sites.
K
The
local,
pcsos
and
npts
were
informed
and
again
it's
down
to
police
resource
to
have
an
officer
down
there,
and
it's
really
just
a
presence
to
to
make
sure
that
people
park
correctly.
They
don't
enter
so
a
bit
of
preventative
work
for
the
phase
one
and
phase
two
of
the
trial.
We
used
a
temporary
traffic
regulation
order,
the
requirements
for
consultation
for
that
temporary
order
are
quite
different
in
terms
of
consultation
with
the
residents
to
a
permanent
order.
K
K
We
did
write
to
residents
to
tell
them
that
this
restriction
was
coming
in
so
the
new
process,
because
we'll
have
a
lot
more
time
and
we
can
engage
with
residents
in
the
schools
and
we
would
hope
to
to
have
a
more
thorough
consultation
to
see
that
we've
done
some
investigation.
K
K
We
can
then
also
add
on
other
things
that
might
help
manage
traffic
or
parking
in
that
area,
so
other
double,
yellow
lines,
for
example,
or
parking
schemes
to
really
help
make
the
school
street
work
so
it
it
will
be
quite
a
different
process
going
forward
into
the
process
that
we
had
in
phase
one
and
phase
two.
G
Just
to
follow
on
from
your
question,
chair
with
regards
to
table
two,
the
rag
rating
for
the
seven
schools
that
you've
chosen
to
retain
the
school
streets,
two
of
them
don't
have
park
and
stride
which
your
criteria
says
they
should
and
with
the
resident
dwellings
affected.
That
varies
from
three
to
sixty
nine.
Now
I'm
not
don't
benefit
from
a
colored
copy,
because
I
don't
deserve
a
color
copy
by
those
things.
G
But
I
can't
well
speaking
about
all
of
us,
but
it
looks
like
middleton
street
has
two
red
ratings
but
still
was
retained
and
I
just
wonder,
there's
quite
a
lot
of
inconsistencies.
I
just
highlight
some
of
the
worst
ones
there,
but
you're
still
retaining
them
all.
Is
there
any
point
in
having
a
rag
rating
if
you're
going
to
return
them
all
and
just
really?
G
Secondly,
check
it's
it's
it's
you
put
these
enforcement
measures
in,
but
you
said
that
all
the
roads,
policing
can
enforce
them
and
it
does
appear
around
schools
that
double
your
lines
don't
apply
to
parents.
Speaking
from
my
personal
experience,
it's
different
with
a
double
yellow
line
if
you're
a
parent
picking
the
child
up.
So
if
you're
a
resident
parking
on
that
that
we
are
live,
it's
a
different
rule
applies
seemingly
and
isn't
rather
than
picking
out
individual
schools
having
school
streets.
Isn't
it
about
educating
parents
if
possible?
G
But
I
think
probably
we
need
to
start
with
children,
because
children
will
have
the
pester
power
and
you
know
if
they
don't
want
their
parents
to
park
on
a
double
o
line
or
then
that
will
have
more
impact
and
that
will
have
impact
for
all
of
us
across
the
city
rather
than
just
a
few
schools
that
are
either
fit
your
criteria
or
are
prepared
to
enforce
these
streets
next
year.
K
Yes,
I
don't
disagree
with
some
of
the
suggestions,
their
counselor
so
again
as
as
part
of
phase
one
and
phase
two.
We
didn't
have
that
time
to
go
in
and
work
with
the
schools
and
the
parents
and
the
children.
So
we
would
have
a
specific
lesson
plan
for
schools
for
the
there
would
be
a
pre
restriction
engagement
during
the
launch
and
then
afterwards
as
well.
K
So
that's
something
that
we
will
develop,
we'll
look
at
what
other
local
authorities
have
done
and
and
try
and
come
up
with
a
program
that
works,
and
then
we
can
implement
that
in
the
school
as
the
school
street
progresses
in
terms
of
double
yellow
lines
and
enforcement.
K
My
colleagues
in
parking
services,
I'm
sure,
would
be
able
to
respond
to
that
with
double
yellow
lines.
You
can
actually
stop
and
drop
off
and
I
think
that's
perhaps
the
issue
is
that
it
looks
like
it's
been
broken,
but
parking
services
would
need
to
make
that
call.
K
And
in
terms
of
the
the
drag
rating
in
the
the
parking
stripes
again,
this
is
phase
one
and
phase
two,
so
we've
learned
from
those
phases
and
it
would
be
particularly
useful
at
some
sites,
but
not
all
sites
to
have
a
parking
stride.
K
So
when
I
talk
about
that
criteria
and
if
a
school
wants
to
put
their
hand
up
and
say
they're
interested,
they
would
work
through
that
open
criteria
to
say
do
we
meet
stage
one,
and
then
we
can
progress
to
making
an
application
that
that
will
be.
One
of
the
considerations
is
to
include
park
and
stride.
K
J
Can
I
come
in
there
the
rag
rating
for
middleton,
saint
mary's
school
and
which
you
quite
write
is
in
red.
That's
because
of
the
sheer
number
of
residences
that
that
that
I'm
right
there
lindsay
anthony
that
it's
because
there's
such
a
lot
of
residents
that
around
the
school,
because
it
is
quite
a
residential
area
rather
than
as
the
chair
knows,
and
your
governor
there
aren't
and
cancer
first
of
all,
okay
yeah.
J
I
won't
ask
why
no
but
it's,
but
actually,
if
you
look
at
that,
so
that's
that's,
not
a
problem
in
terms
of
having
a
school
street.
It's
just
flagged
up
as
a
red
issue,
because
there
are
so
many
houses
around
it.
So
so
many
people
could
be
adversely
affected
by
these.
But
actually,
if
you
look
down,
there's
a
lot
of
support
for
this
and
there's
generally
supported,
but
some
concerns
expressed
by
presidents
and
residents
that
the
restrictions
are
sometimes
ignored.
So
actually
it's
not
the
restriction
that
themselves.
J
That
are
the
problem.
It's
the
fact
that
some
people
actually
ignore
them
and
comes
back
to
the
enforcement.
But
if
you
look
at
that
school
in
particular,
there's
been
a
32
rise
in
people
and
parents
and
and
children
walking
and
cycling
or
scooting
before
as
conf
as
compared
to
before,
and
that's
the
biggest
biggest
rise,
and
it
probably
is
because
it's
a
very
residential
area
and
parents
can
walk
with
their
children
or
cycle
in
a
residential
area
away
from
big
roads.
Hence
the
sheer
amount
of
houses
that
are
around
that
school.
J
So
obviously
this
is
trials.
This
is
it's,
it's
been
retained,
but
that's
actually
not
a
problem
in
itself
of
having
a
school.
It's
just
alerted
in
red
because
of
the
sheer
number
of
people
that
are
affected
by
it,
but
I'm
delighted
with
middleton
saint
mary's,
as
I'm
with
all
the
schools,
and
I
just
want
to
pass
on
a
huge
thank
you
to
the
school
staff
because
they
do
as
as
you
said,
chair
and,
as
lindsay
said,
they
they're
the
ones
that
go
out
with
the
signs
and
and
actually
close
the
streets.
J
But
actually
it
gives
them
some
power
and
it
gives
them
some
authority,
because
I
know
from
my
own
children's
schools
and
schools
in
my
ward
that
head
teachers
are
dealing,
are
literally
parking
parking
attendants
every
single
day
without
this
structure
to
support
them
and
without
and
without
this
to
support
and
in
fact,
the
head
teacher
at
my
son's
primary
school.
Well,
my
daughter
was
there
as
well
until
july,
when
she
went
to
high
school,
which
is
another
another
problem.
J
But
you
know
he's
they've
got
and
he
has
and
and
his
staff
have
got
high
visions
and
they
patrol
the
the
drop
off
points
and
the
streets
and
everything
and
and
regular
send
out
and-
and
he
said,
I
never
thought
I
would
be
a
car
park
manager
as
well.
A
A
Clearly,
becky
will
have
taken
a
comprehensive
note
of
the
discussion
and
of
the
points
raised
by
board
members
and
we'll
incorporate
those
in
the
working
draft
copy
of
which
you've
already
seen
to
a
degree,
but
clearly
it
will
need
to
be
finalized
next
municipal
year
by
our
successor
board,
whoever
that
might
be-
and
I
think
that
you
know
that
will
help
to
to
complete
quite
a
wide
ranging
inquiry
that
we've
taken
as
a
result
of
our
concerns
about
people
killed
and
seriously
injured
on
our
street.
I
A
Okay,
I
think
we've
got
everyone
here
and
settled
down
just
to
put
this
in
the
obvious
context.
This
is
a
follow-on
from
a
discussion
I
think
we've
had
was
it
in
september
relating
to
the
referral
from
councillor
robinson,
and
I
will
be
inviting
everyone
up
at
the
top
table
to
introduce
themselves
when
we
get
to
substantive
discussion
and
introductions.
A
I'm
told
that
the
discussion
at
that
time
went
on
for
an
hour
and
40
minutes
and
at
one
point
as
chair,
I
think
I
interjected
to
suggest
that
we
call
the
temporary
halt
to
the
discussions
to
give
officers
time
to
go
back
regroup,
to
consider
the
points
that
have
been
made
by
councillor
robinson
and
the
board
and
to
come
back
with
a
report
that
reflected
the
the
discussion
and
I
have
to
say.
I
think
that
the
report
that's
been
tabled.
A
Does
that
admirably
in
most
respects
so
before
asking
I
think
adrian,
it
will
be
to
introduce
the
report.
Perhaps
those
at
the
top
table
could
just
very
briefly
introduce
themselves.
Please.
N
Good
morning,
everybody
adrian
hodgson
network
manager
for
leaders
to
council
in
house
and
transportation.
H
H
Morning,
I'm
oliver
priestley,
I'm
the
head
of
civil
engineering
and
infrastructure
deal
with
the
practical
sides
of
building
things.
H
N
Thank
you
chair
and
thanks
for
the
introduction.
Yes,
this
report
follows
on
from
an
item
that
was
brought
to
the
september
scrutiny
board
and
that
related
specifically
to
the
closure
of
leeds
road
in
schools
as
part
of
the
measures
required
for
the
construction
of
e-law
and
the
the
previous
paper.
If
members
want
to
reference
that
it's
appended
to
the
the
updated
report
on
page
207,
appendix
4.
N
members,
I
think
many
members
were
on
that
that
meeting
we've
got
some
some
different
members,
so
I'll
briefly
go
through
what
was
was
discussed,
the
related
to
the
closure
that
was
carried
out
during
the
school
summer
holidays
in
in
2021.
N
The
closure
took
place
so
from
the
23rd
of
july
and
was
lifted
on
the
3rd
of
september
3
days
in
advance
of
when
it
was
scheduled.
So
on
time,
the
september
meeting
discussed
both
the
the
the
formal
legal
process
for
processing
closures
for
the
scheme
itself
and
generally,
but
also
the
the
additional
consultation
and
engagement
that
precedes
that
for
all
projects,
but
specifically
major
projects.
N
Some
of
the
early
lessons
that
we
did
that
were
discussed
in
the
meeting
related
to
the
the
very
early
stages
of
scheme
development
and
some
of
the
decisions
that
are
taken
at
that
time
obviously
have
implications
later
on
in
a
construction
pro
programme
and
you'll
recall
that
there
were
some
discussions
about,
for
example,
the
physical
constraints
that
limit
the
traffic
management
opportunities
on
a
live
site,
and
I
think
officers
have
taken
that
on
board
and
the
need
to
have
enough
sort
of
third-party
land
and
construction.
N
There
were
also
concerns
raised
around
notifications
to
our
emergency
services,
and
there
was
a
specific
example
with
the
the
ambulance
service
that
members
raised
concerns
about,
and
that
is
addressed
in
in
the
report
and
I'll
come
on
to
that
in
a
moment
and
the
the
resolution
of
the
meeting
is
summarized
on
page
175.
The
second
bullet
point
there
of
your
or
your
report
and
I'll
go
through
that
in
detail,
and
the
main
response
to
the
items
raise
is
in
appendix
one
which
starts
on
page
178.
N
And
although
we're
here
talking
about
road
closures,
I
think
it's
important
to
recognize
that
it's
all
disruption
and
road
closures
are
just
one
element
of
traffic
management
and
can
often
be
the
a
better
choice
in
terms
of
disruption.
And
there
are
alternatives
that
may
actually
be
more
disruptive
to
our
traveling
public
and
local
residents
that
don't
actually
require
any
kind
of
tro
associated
with
them,
which
again
just
emphasizes
the
need
to
make
sure
that
the
the
engagement
and
consultation
which
is
separate
to
the
legal
process
is
up
to
scratch.
N
N
Many
of
these
closures,
the
majority
of
them,
are
related
to
utility
work
and
more
minor
works
that
the
council
are
responsible
for,
and
my
team
in
network
management
we're
we're
responsible
for
processing
the
the
legal
orders
and
works
promoters
are
obviously
responsible
for
the
engagement
and
ensuring
that
that
consultation
takes
place
in
advance
of
the
closure
process.
N
That
said,
there's
an
extra
tier
of
consultation,
my
team
always
review
on
a
weekly
basis,
the
most
disruptive
works
that
are
taking
place
across
our
district.
We
produce
reports
on
that
which
are
available
to
members
and
parish
councils
and
local
councils,
and
we
do
send
out
escalations
as
well.
I'm
sure
members
on
this
panel
will
have
all
received
emails
from
from
my
team,
where
we
advise
of
the
more
disruptive
works
that
might
be
coming
forward
in
the
next
few
few
weeks.
N
But
there
are
a
few
things
that
I'd
like
to
draw
out.
Firstly,
as
I've
said
once
the
once,
the
scheme
gets
to
the
stage
of
a
road
closure
that
engagement
and
consultation,
even
if
it's
the
more
minor
ones
for
a
utility
working
in
the
cul-de-sac,
each
that
that
should
have
taken
place,
even
if
it's
at
the
very
lowest
end
of
disruption,
and
it's
just
sort
of
let
us
through
the
door
or
notice
us
through
the
door.
Secondly,
the
legal
process
is
about
notifying,
rather
than
consulting,
it
would
be
impractical.
N
N
The
legal
process
is
only
that
we
consult
with
fire
and
and
the
police
service.
However,
we
we
would
all
agree
that
that
wouldn't
be
appropriate
and
that
isn't
best
practice.
So
we
go
well
beyond
that.
N
With
our
with
our
notifications,
we
notify
wyka
the
ambulance
service,
the
roadhollage
association,
all
board
members
that
are
affected,
town
and
parish
councils
and
other
officers
select
officers
as
well,
and
as
I've
mentioned,
road
closures
are
not
necessarily
the
most
disruptive
form
of
traffic
management
and
there's
been
a
very
a
timely
emergency
incident
that
some
members
will
be
aware
of
on
this
on
this
panel,
with
a
a
faulty
high
voltage
cable
near
the
the
oakwood
clock
junction.
N
That
happened
only
only
this
monday
and
one
members
of
roundy
gipton,
hair
hills,
moore
town,
chapel,
allerton
and
al
woodley
were
all
informed
about
that,
and
my
team
assessed
the
situation
as
soon
as
we
found
out
about
that
and
it's
an
example
of
where
the
initial
electricity
contractor
had
installed
multi-way
lights.
At
that
junction
it
was
immediately
causing
extreme
disruption,
and
this
was
in
between
the
peak
periods
as
well.
N
So
my
time,
my
team
attended
to
that
and
immediately
changed
the
traffic
management
and
actually
insisted
that
there
actually
be
a
road
closure
as
an
alternative
to
the
multi-way
lights
and
that
settled
down
quite
quickly
and
it's
now
operating
it
should
be.
It
should
be
off
by
thursday,
but
in
terms
of
how
it
operated
in
the
peak
periods.
N
It's
a
much
better
experience
for
the
traveling
public
and
local
residents.
Equally
will
be
less
disrupted
by
that
by
that
that
intervention,
but,
as
I've
said
that
type
of
intervention
doesn't
the
multi-way
lights,
doesn't
actually
require
a
temporary
traffic
regulation
order.
Hence
my
emphasis
on
making
sure
that
the
engagement
is
actually
disruption.
Is
that
is
the
key
issue
rather
than
road
road
closures.
N
Since
the
september
meeting,
we
we've
carried
out
training
with
emergency
services,
we've
written
to
all
the
emergency
services
and
had
a
session
with
the
ambulance
service.
If
you
recall
those
particular
problems,
we've
also
got
a
further
session
planned
with
the
with
the
ambulance
service.
We've
been
in
discussions
with
wyker
about
our
one
dot
network
system
as
well,
and
the
they're
experienced
users
of
one
dot
network
and
they're
satisfied
that
they
don't
need
any
additional
training
on
one
dot
network.
N
Formal
training
has
been
offered
to
all
99
ward
members
and
sessions
have
taken
place
in
december
of
last
year
and
january
of
this
year.
More
recently,
new
new
dates
have
been
offered
to
members
in
in
april
may.
We
realized
that,
obviously,
that
might
be
quite
inconvenient
given
the
upcoming
elections,
and
we
have
been
in
dialogue
with
the
supplier
to
confirm
that
future
sessions
will
be
offered
as
well
going
forward,
and
the
supplier
has
also
agreed
that
that
training
offer
can
be
extended
to
local
and
town
town
and
parish
councils
as
well.
N
So
future
sessions
will
be
will
be
highlighted
to
members
going
forward
in
terms
of
major
scheme
engagement.
We
now
have
a
dedicated
resource
provided
on
all
our
major
schemes
to
help
reach
as
many
stakeholders
as
possible
and
this-
and
this
is
set
out
on
pages
188
onwards.
N
N
Consultations
that
have
already
taken
place,
travel
alerts,
journey
planning,
information
around
planning,
your
journey
and
park
and
ride,
and
it
also
provides
links
to
other
pages,
including
waze,
and
our
one
dot
network
page
as
well,
and
there's
also
the
ability
to
sign
up
to
the
weekly
newsletters
in
there.
N
We've
also
set
out
on
pages
188
and
189.
Some
of
the
actions
that
we've
taken
for
the
upcoming
army
scheme
as
an
example
of
another
major
scheme.
That's
coming
up
after
after
e-law
and
you'll
you'll
see
that
there's
a
number
of
bullet
points
that
would
had
already
taken
place
from
a
from
an
engagement
and
comms
perspective
and
since
since
the
papers
were
published,
there's
been
additional
press
releases,
etc.
Carried
out
and
meetings
have
taken
place
on
site
with
members
of
the
public.
N
Oliver's
team
have
been
in
touch
with
residents
of
the
lower
whitley
residents
association
and
that
consultation
will
will
continue
and
that
engagement
will
continue
through
the
through
the
whole
of
the
the
process
and
then
just
just.
Finally,
before
I
hand
it
over
to
questions
the
summary
and
sort
of
next
steps
are
highlighted
in
sections
eight
and
nine
of
the
reports.
N
We
do
feel
that
our
our
processors
are
robust,
but
we
do
welcome
feedback
and
we
always
just
reiterate
our
willingness
to
sort
of
engage
and
review
the
best
practices
that
we
believe
we
have.
But
obviously
we
need
to
continually
review
that
and
ensure
that
we
we
are
doing
what
we
can
and
as
effectively
as
possible
and
just
lastly,
sort
of
state
our
willingness
to
working
colleagues
as
well
in
in
the
communities
team
prior
to
the
the
pandemic.
N
They
were
working
on
a
refresh
I
think
council
robinson
may
have
been
involved
in
that
actually
on
the
on
the
local
charter,
with
parish,
councils
and
town
councils.
I
think
that,
unfortunately
stalls
understandably
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic,
and
my
understanding
is
that
colleagues
are
now
picking
that
up
again
in
communities
team
and
the
highways
and
transportation
service
will.
I
obviously
work
with
colleagues
and
communities
engaged
in
that
process,
so
I'll
leave
it
there
chair
and
hand
it
over
to
members.
O
Thanks
chair
yeah,
I'm
mindful
of
time
and
so
I'll
be
brief,
but
I'm
also
watching
my
phone
as
my
wife's
38
weeks
pregnant.
So
if
I
dash
out
the
door
at
a
moment's
notice,
you'll,
forgive
me
hopefully
chair.
Firstly,
a
thank
you
to
the
officers
and
to
this
board
for
the
interest
that
they've
taken.
O
I
think,
as
you
quite
rightly
said,
check
this
has
had
a
robust
hearing
both
in
this
scrutiny
committee
and
in
working
group
and
outside
and
that's
a
credit
to
the
board,
but
also
to
officers
who've
sought
to
bring
back
and
take
bring
back
recommendations
and
take
this
issue
seriously.
It
would
be
remiss
of
me
to
not
also
thank
the
parish
council
in
the
area
and
george
hall
from
the
community
forum
who've
added
their
voices
to
this
and
former
parish.
O
Councillor
howard,
bedford,
howard
had
a
great
interest
in
this
and
sadly
passed
away
at
the
back
end
of
last
year.
Howard
would
have
been
sat
here
with
me
today.
I
have
no
doubt
about
this,
because
he
was
keen
to
make
sure
that
e-law
and
through
its
construction
delivered
for
the
community.
O
So
I
just
wish
to
put
that
on
record
just
a
few
brief
observations
then
chair,
I
think
the
addition
of
work
with
emergency
services
is
welcome,
and
I
know
adrian
has
been
doing
that
and
is
clear
on
that,
and
I'm
really
pleased
with
that
and
that's
coming
out
across
all
major
works
and
schemes
across
the
city.
I
think
that's
to
the
officer's
credit.
Similarly,
the
training
on
one
network,
that's
included,
town
and
parish
councils.
O
I
asked
adrian
about
this
and
he
essentially
immediately
went
back
to
the
providers
and
they
added
to
it,
and
I
think
that's
great,
because
it
shows
that
community
working
and
collaboration
that
this
city
should
be
all
about,
and
I
always
have
some
sympathy
for
adrian,
because
adrian's
job
is
a
little
bit
like
a
counselor.
He
probably
only
hears
from
us
when
things
go
wrong,
there's
actually
a
lot
that
that
does
go
right.
O
O
The
getting
this
right
for
me
is
is
not
just
about
e-law
it's
about
the
city
and
if
we
look
ahead
and
we're
thinking
about
a
mass
transit
system
that
might
come
across
west
yorkshire,
we're
likely
to
see
more
road
closures,
more
major
schemes,
the
need
to
consult
and
collaborate
with
different
agencies,
but
with
residents
and
making
sure
we
get
this
right,
and
if
communication
is
going
to
be
key
when
we're
delivering
not
just
e-law
but
any
mass
transit
system.
So
I
I
emphasize
that
I
think
it
would
be
great.
O
If
I,
if
I
had
a
perfect
world,
it
would
be
brilliant
to
see
a
a
best
practice
charter
for
the
utility
companies
where
they
could,
residents
could
hold
them
to
to
account
and
when
they
work
in
leeds
and
some
sort
of
minimum
expectations,
so
that
residents
know
how
that's
delivered
and
that
that's
clear
and
transparent.
I
think
that
would
aid
residents
rather
than
them
always
getting
in
touch
with
the
council
to
raise
issues.
They
know
what
the
expectation
was
so
perhaps
that's
something
that
could
be
taken
forward
in
the
future.
O
Similarly,
working
with
town
and
parish
councils
I've,
I
was
involved
in
that
review
with
the
tanner
parish
council
charter,
the
highways
and
planning
elements
that
were
of
the
charter
weren't
touched
at
that
time.
It
was
felt
that
there
needed
to
be
further
discussion
with
chief
officers
and
perhaps
that's
something
that's
worth
picking
up
with
with
gary
in
due
course,
and
we
as
we
go
into
the
2022-2023
municipal
year.
I
think
this
is
a
good
start.
It's
probably
not
going
to
be
the
end
of
it.
O
A
G
Well,
it's
to
be
hot.
We
have
learnt
our
lessons
from
council
robinson's
inquiry
because
we
are
about
to
embark
on
the
mother
of
all
road
closures
at
the
weekend
with
the
army
gyratory,
and
it's
probably
shame
we're
not
having
this
meeting
a
week
later.
Otherwise
that
would
certainly
probably
come
into
play.
G
G
I
think
one
of
the
key
things
that
that
matthew
did
raise
was
the
length
of
time
with
the
closure
and
the
and
the
consultation
and
the
length
of
diversion,
and
we
have
that
all
in
the
weekend
in
the
sense
of
the
the
consultation
which
has
been
there,
and
I
accept
it's
been
there
and
I
guess
it's
been
there
more
locally,
but
this
diversion
is
very,
very
wide
and
is
going
to
affect
all
wards
in
the
city
in
general,
and
certainly
people
in
my
ward
are
still
saying
it's
not
going
to
bother
me
because
I
live
in
guys
in
broadness.
G
But
if
you're
thinking
of
going
beyond
horses,
it
will
probably
bother
you
and
people
are
starting
to
realize
now.
But
I
do
wonder
whether
the
consultation
has
been
quite
wide
enough,
and
I
do
hope
that
you
have
learned
with
the
ambulance
service
from
the
issues
that
matthew
raised.
Because
clearly
I
mean
I
would
hope
that
this
weekend,
you're
going
to
maintain
an
emergency
room
through
there,
both
in
and
out
otherwise,
with
the
amount
of
emergency
traffic
that
uses
that
junction
you're
going
to
suffer
some
serious
issues.
G
G
But
I
think
the
main
thing
is
that
we
keep
this
probably
a
live
chair
as
a
as
a
continuing
watching
brief
over
over
these
sort
of
things.
J
Thank
you
chair.
I
have
no
idea
who's
that
grey
hair
you're,
referring
to
apparently
mine,
needs
its
own
instagram
page.
So
there
you
go
so
yeah.
J
I
wasn't
this
great
last
year,
but
in
terms
of
family,
the
amount
of
comms
that
has
been
done
and
the
fact
that
people
are
talking
about
it
in
your
ward,
is,
is
great
yeah,
but
there
will
be
there
will
be
people
in
your
world
talking
about
it
and
thinking
it
might
not
affect
them,
but
at
least
they're
talking
about
it
so
and
I'm
even
being
interviewed
for
the
radio
on
the
gyro
tree.
J
Closing
it's
not
a
decision,
any
road
closure,
and
I
want
to
thank
matthew
and
for
especially
all
his
work
with
the
parish
councils
and
and
on
on
raising
this
issue.
It's
it.
No
road
closure
is
taken
lightly
and
we
didn't
make
the
decision
to
close
armageddon
this
weekend
lightly.
J
But
there
has
been
a
shift-
and
I
don't
know
about
anybody
else,
but
the
most
kind
of
attention-grabbing
poster
that
I
see
when
there's
road
works
is
the
one
that
says
my
and
and
railway
works
as
well.
Actually
is
the
one
that
says
my
mum
or
my
dad
works
here,
and
actually
that's
why
I
was
closing
on
the
gyro
tree
at
the
weekend,
so
that
all
that
traffic
management
can
be
done
in
one
weekend
without
any
live
traffic
going
around
the
around
the
gyratory,
and
that
is
for
the
prime.
J
The
prime
reason
is
the
safety
of
the
contractors
so
that
they
can
work
and
do
it
without
detriment
to
their
to
their
safety.
J
It
will
cause
huge
inconvenience
for
the
city,
as
did
closing
leeds
road
for
the
residents
of
schools
and
I'm
a
gyratory
more
because
more
much
more
wider
people
across
the
city,
which
is
why
all
councillors
have
been
informed,
which
is
why
it's
gone
across
the
radios
backs
of
buses
and
all
the
lists
there
and
a
huge
thank
you
to
adrian
and
his
team
for
and
connecting
leeds
and
evan
and
her
team
for
getting
that
message
out
as
widely
as
possible.
But
that's
a
that's
the
that's.
J
A
key
reason
is
to
keep
the
operatives
safe
and
the
traveling
public
safe,
as
well
any
interactions
with
the
large
machinery
that
sometimes
that
needs
to
be
used
on
the
thing
of
utilities.
J
It
is
a
huge
frustration
because
there
is
still
a
lot
of
people
who
think
it's,
the
council
that
are
doing
that
work.
It's
not,
and
utilities
have
powers
beyond
what
we
can,
but
we
do.
I
know
that
officers
that
gary
meets
with
them
every
three
months
and
that
there
is
those
quarterly
meetings.
J
They
try
and
you
know,
coordinate
things,
but
if
there's
a
burst
water
main
as
as
we're
all
aware
that
has
to
be
emergency
work
and
it
has
to
be
done,
I
think
a
charter
might
be
a
re
is
a
really
good
idea,
and
I
don't
know
whether
it's
something
that
we
could
pursue
as
a
city
or
as
a
council,
but
it
that
kind
of
overarching
expectations
of
what
what
utility
companies
need
to
do.
J
I've
dealt
with
lots
of
issues
as
a
world
councillor
about
telephone
poles
going
up
or
whatever
they
are
now
or
the
masts,
and
and
things
like
that
and
people
just
being
unaware,
because
only
three
houses
behind
them
when
it
was
actually
next
to
their
house
in
terms
of
telecommunications
and
and
until
the
people
arrive
and
and
put
them
up
and
we're
completely
unaware.
J
So
I
think
that's
a
really
interesting
idea,
but
I
think
with
road
closures,
it's
often
the
best
thing
to
do
the
least
disruptive
thing
to
do
in
the
if
we'd
closed
for
night
times
for
as
long
as
we'd
need
for
them
the
gyratory,
it
would
have
been
far
more
complicated
and
far
more
disruption
over
a
longer
period
of
time
and
then
closing
one
weekend.
But
everybody
knows
that
it's
completely
closed
for
one
weekend
and
then
it
will
be
open
come
monday
morning
or
I'm
not
getting
out
of
bed.
Thank
you.
N
Yeah,
I
just
come
back
home,
councilor
wadsworth
point
about
the
emergency
services,
just
just
to
reassure
the
panel
that
those
that
consultation
has
taken
place
with
all
the
emergency
services,
not
not
just
in
written
form,
but
also
a
meeting
with
all
emergency
services
to
explain
and
ensure
that
the
message
has
does
get
through
to
the
the
people
that
need
to
know
and
all
blue
lights
will
be
permitted
to
travel
through
amly
gyratory,
the
special
airlocks
and
pockets
set
up
as
part
of
the
traffic
management
that
will
allow
those
emergency
services
should
they
need
to
get
through
the
junction
to
get
through,
as
well
as
residents
that
are
actually
encompassed
by
the
the
extent
of
the
road
closure
as
well.
N
So,
just
just
to
address
that
point
and
if
members
do
want
to,
as
councillor
hayden
has
pointed
out,
we
do
have
quarterly
meetings
with
the
utilities
on
their
performance
and
also
on
the
coordination.
So
two
separate
meetings.
If
ward
members
want
to
feed
back
particular
issues
to
me
and
my
team,
we
obviously
will
raise
that
with
with
the
utilities
concerned
and
again
just
to
as
councillor
hayden
has
mentioned
about
the
army.
It's
obviously
a
big
thing
to
do.
N
Safety
is
paramount,
and
when
we,
when
we
arrive
back
on
sites
on
on
monday
morning,
what
you'll
actually
see
out
there
is
something
hopefully
not
too
different
to
what
we
have
now,
but
that
that
sort
of
it
doesn't
show
the
actual
extent
of
the
work
that
actually
needs
to
be
undertaken
to
get
that
traffic
management
set
up.
N
So
the
number
of
lanes
around
the
junction
will
more
or
less
be
the
same
as
it
is
now,
but
virtually
every
single
bit
of
white
line
in
that's
around
that
junction
will
have
to
be
taken
off.
A
new
lining
put
on,
and
new
lanes
prepared
as
part
of
that
traffic
management
solution,
and
you
may
have
noticed
passing
through
that
junction
that
some
there's
been
some
preparatory
work
done
on
the
on
the
canal.
N
Road
left
turn
into
the
city
as
well
to
ensure
that
that
closure
can
take
place
and
they
it
be
set
out
as
we
wish
it
to
be.
G
No,
I
I
think
adrian
has
explained
it
really
well,
I
I've
just
reminded
members
that,
obviously
this
is
just
the
closure
to
put
down
the
traffic
management
measures
for
the
the
main
event
that
will
follow
on
the
actual
scheme
work
itself.
This
is
just
to
put
out
the
traffic
management
around
a
very
busy
junction.
A
No
doubt
the
future
inquiring
to
only
gyratory
we're
following
due
course,
okay.
Well,
I
haven't
seen
anybody
else
indicating
to
me
so
we'll
wind
up
the
discussion
on
this
particular
matter.
Can
we
agree
the
recommendations
on
pages
175
176
also
subject
to
some
of
the
more
detailed
comments
that
have
been
made
by
councillor
robinson
as
the
original,
referring
also
by
members
of
the
board.
A
Thank
you
and
thank
you,
everyone
for
your
attendance
that
just
takes
us
on
to
the
less
formal
item
on
the
agenda,
the
work
program,
which
is
normally
to
note
unless
anyone's
got
any
questions
on
it
and
as
this
is
the
last
meeting
of
the
municipal
year,
I'd
just
like
to
thank
all
the
members
of
the
board,
those
here
and
absent
friends
for
their
contribution.
It's
always
a
pleasure
to
chair
this
board,
and
this
year
has
been
no
exception.
A
I'd
just
like
to
say
special
thanks
to
councillor
bentley,
because
this
must
figure
amongst
his
last
remaining
formal
council
meetings
before
he
stands
down,
obviously
extend
now
thanks
to
councillors,
taylor
and
goddard,
and
if
we've
got
email
addresses
for
them.
Perhaps
we
could
also
indicate
our
thanks
to
to
their
service
and
last
but
not
least,
to
congratulate
another
member
of
this
year's
board,
councillor
gettings
on
being
next
year's
lord
mayor,
and
with
that
I'll
close
the
meeting
and
thank
you
for
your
attendance.
Thank
you.
Everybody.