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A
Of
the
infrastructure,
investment,
inclusive
growth
street
scrutiny
board
before
we
get
on
to
the
formal
agenda,
I'm
going
to
invite
board
members,
at
least
those
who
are
in
position
to
introduce
themselves
to
our
physical
attendees
and
to
those
who
are
watching
our
proceedings
online.
So
I'll
start
on
this
side.
B
Good
morning,
councillor
paul
olsen
guys
in
road
mode.
A
And
I'm
councillor
paul
truswell
and
I
represent
middleton
and
belle
island,
I'm
also
chair
of
the
block
right.
Moving
on
to
the
formal
item
of
items
of
the
agenda
agenda
item,
one
appeals
against
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents.
There
are
no
appeals,
a
gender
item,
two
exempt
information.
There's
no
exempt
information
agenda
item
three
late
items:
there
are
no
late
items.
A
Gender
item,
four
invite
any
members
who
have
not
already
done
so
to
draw
attention
to
any
interests
in
accordance
with
the
council's
council
of
code
of
conduct,
I'm
not
aware
of
any
gender
item.
Five
apologies
for
absence:
we've
got:
apologies
from
councillor
cooper
for
agenda
item
8,
the
digital
update
and
also
received
apologies
from
eve
woodhouse.
A
A
Page
six
page,
seven
just
to
note
that
there
is
reference
under
our
discussion
on
the
number
of
affordable
homes
to
a
delivery
partnership
plan
which
was
in
a
draft
form.
I
think
at
the
time
of
our
discussions,
that's
now
been
completed
and
the
officers
responsible
for
that
document
have
indicated
that
they
would
like
to
come
to
the
board
prior
to
the
document
going
to
exec
board,
as
our
next
formal
public
meeting
would
be
after
executive
board.
A
A
Page
nine
page,
ten
page
eleven
all
board
members
agreeable
to
my
signing
these
as
a
correct
record.
Yes,
thank
you.
Okay.
That
takes
us
on
to
agenda
item
seven
and
we've
got
fiona
flying
solo
by
the
looks
of
it
because
of
eve's
absence.
I
mean
just
very
quickly
to
introduce
this.
Obviously
you
will
have
read
report
board
members
and
it
maps
out,
in
a
very
broad
sense,
the
sort
of
work
that
is
going
to
be
undertaken
in
order
to
address
the
issue
of
green
jobs
within
the
context
of
our
climate
emergency
declaration.
A
We've
already
in
lee's
got
a
growing
green
economy.
We
clearly
want
to
maximize
that.
We
want
to
ensure,
as
far
as
possible-
and
I
think
fiona
will
be
touching
on
this-
the
opportunities
for
the
more
marginalized
and
deprived
sections
of
our
community
and
individuals
to
share
in
that
growth
and
be
prepared
for
that
growth,
and
we
also
have
to
be
mindful
of
those
industries
and
the
sizable
number
of
people
who
work
in
them
that
do
make
a
considerable
contribution
to
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
how
we
address
those
particular
challenges.
I
Thank
you,
chair
and
morning,
everybody
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know
me,
I'm
fiona
golam
and
I'm
the
head
of
economic
policy,
the
report
we
want
to
review
the
local
green
transition
through
an
inclusive
economic
growth
lens.
So
this
is
how
we're
thinking
about
it
and
we're
commissioning
a
piece
of
work
to
help
us
explore
what
that
transition
to
net
zero
means
for
the
leads
economy,
including
for
specific
sectors.
How
we
understand
those
risks
and
opportunities
associated
with
it,
and
one
of
the
things
we
want
to
come
out
of.
I
It
is
some
practical
recommendations
to
help
us
realize
the
opportunities
for
businesses
and
employers
within
leeds
and
how
we
can
address
those
challenges
we
face
becoming
climate
resilient.
So
this
is
the
part
of
a
suite
of
policy
work
that
will
help
inform
the
the
refresh
of
the
leads
inclusive
growth
strategy
over
the
next
year.
Our
current
strategy
runs
up
until
june
2023,
so
this
is
all
kind
of
things
that
are
going
to
feed
into
that.
I
The
work
aligns
well
with
some
work,
that's
currently
being
undertaken
by
wicca,
which
is
aiming
to
gain
a
clear
picture
of
the
west
yorkshire.
Green
economy,
including
jobs
and
skills
and
relevant
supply
chains,
so
this
work
is
complementary
to
that
and
I
have
shared
the
brief
with
colleagues
from
other
local
authority
areas
in
west
yorkshire
as
well.
I
So,
if
I'm
thinking
about
why
we're
doing
this,
there's
already
a
lot
of
things
that
are
happening
in
the
space
around
sort
of
climate
resilience,
especially-
and
I
know
this
scrutiny
board-
gets
a
lot
of
updates
around
flooding,
but
there
is
also
things
happening
to
support
business.
So,
for
instance,
we've
got
the
revis
program,
which
is
resource
efficiency,
business
audits.
There
are
some
grants.
This
is
at
the
wicker
level,
so
this
is
a
crossword
yorkshire.
There
are
grants
for
carbon
reduction
project
and
there's
some
work
on
going
around
the
circular
economy.
I
Support
and
things
like
you
know
the
green
travel
plan
in
leeds.
We
also
run
an
ev
trial
scheme
with
local
businesses,
which
was
really
successful
and
of
those
businesses
52
have
plans
to
either
lease
or
buy
a
navy
that
have
come
from
that
and
in
the
city,
leeds
anchors
of
which
we
are
one
have
been
doing
an
awful
lot
of
work
in
this
area
as
well
and
I'll
just
throw
out
one
which
was
the
yorkshire
water
and
the
climate
climate
resilience
plan
and
the
multiple
programs
they've
got
to
deal
with
adaptation.
I
So
for
us
we
need
to
think
about
what
this
means
for
business,
what
we
understand
by
the
risks
and
opportunities
and
where
our
economy
and
what
we
can
do
to
practically
help
those
businesses
make
that
transition
we're
looking
at
both
new
sectors
and
the
mainstream
economy
in
this.
So
this
is
not
just
about
sectors.
What
we
think
of
as
green.
We
need
to
think
about
which
employers
and
which
sectors
can
sort
of
pivot
and
change
their
business
models.
I
If
they're
now
at
risk
from
some
of
the
the
transition,
we
want
to
link
to
the
work,
that's
on
going
in
the
city
around
innovation
and
also
think
about
workforce
skills
around
some
of
this.
In
terms
of
the
work
we
want
to
think
about
our
role
as
the
council.
So
what
can
we
do
so?
Where
do
our
business
support?
Programs
need
to
change
in
order
to
actually
practically
help
those
businesses?
I
I
So
this
piece
of
work,
we
want
to
look
at
both
sort
of
the
manufacturing
type
sectors,
but
also
recognize
our
strength
and
services,
and
we
think
that
we've
got
some
some
real
strength
around
green
finance
in
the
city,
both
with
the
new
entrance
to
the
city,
such
as
the
bank
of
england
and
the
uk
infrastructure
bank,
but
also
the
strength
that
exists
in
particular
in
the
university
as
well,
so
we're
interested
in
exploring
those
opportunities
we
are
going
to
commission
this
work.
I
It
will
be
going
out
in
the
next
week
or
so
and
we'll
be
appointing
somebody
to
work
with
us
over
the
next
few
months,
I'm
expecting
to
make
an
appointment
of
a
partner
in
august.
Okay,
so
that's
the
main
body
of
the
report.
We've
also
cl
included
an
annex
in
this
of
some
work
that
we
have
had
done
free
of
charge
by
the
center
for
progressive
policy.
I
We
get
that
because
we're
a
member
of
the
national
inclusive
growth
network
we're
one
of
the
founder
members
and
part
of
that
is
we
get
10
days,
support
from
the
center
for
progressive
policy.
So
they've
done
this
really
quick
bit
of
work
just
a
bit
of
desk-based
work,
looking
specifically
at
some
at
risks
for
leads,
and
they
looked
at
it
in
terms
of
employment
sectors
and
I'll
just
pick
out
one
or
two
key
things
from
that
and
then
I'll
pause
and
see.
I
If
anybody
has
any
questions
so
in
terms
of
the
key
points
around
risk,
there's
31,
000
jobs,
they
think
in
high
emitting
industries.
That's
in
both
broad
manufacturing
in
the
city
and
in
transport.
They
account
for
about
11
000,
each
and
the
rest
is
spread
across
the
rest
of
the
of
the
sectors.
I
They
also
did
look
quickly
at
some
potential
opportunities
and
have
pulled
out
our
strength
in
financial
services
and
the
potential
to
establish
a
green
finance
hub
here
in
leeds.
They
also
pulled
out
the
university
of
leeds
as
a
global
leader
instead
of
climate
change
and
our
proximity
to
the
humber,
which
is
going
to
be,
which
is
sorry
not
it's
going
to
be.
It's
a
green
industrial
cluster
and
they're
focused
on
how
they
can
actually
really
quickly
get
to
net
zero
and
they
have
a
specific
interest
in
hydrogen
as
well.
So
we
have.
I
We
need
to
think
about
that
as
our
closest
one
about
how
we
can
link
to
those
the
work
that
cpp
did
for
us
in
terms
of
risks
compared
to
other
cities.
We
broadly
compare
favorably
favorably
to
the
other
core
cities
on
measures
around
economic
vulnerability
in
terms
of
climate,
where
we
didn't
compare,
compare
quite
so
favorably
was
on
emissions
per
jobs.
However,
this
is
a
little
bit
sort
of
a
bit
technical
and
it's
a
bit
of
a
geographical
sort
of
quirk.
I
So
what
that
is
is
being
driven
by
is
the
2500
jobs
that
are
in
air
transport.
The
majority
of
the
other
cities
do
not
have
the
airports
within
the
boundary,
so
it
does
not
show
up
there.
I
think
this
will
need
liverpool
that
does
so.
Manchester's
doesn't
show
up
because
it's
in
stockport,
so
it's
just
a
bit
of
a
quirk
when
we
smooth
that
out
we're
actually
pretty.
I
You
know
on
the
same
as
most
of
the
cities
in
terms
of
emissions,
so
that's
kind
of
a
really
quick
run
through
that
work
and
just
hand
over
for
questions
now.
A
Okay,
thank
you
fiona
before
I
ask
members
of
the
board
if
they
have
any
questions
or
comments
to
make.
Since
I
introduced
the
item,
we've
now
got
two
executive
board
members
councillors,
aiden
and
prairie,
who
might
like
to
introduce
themselves
for
members
of
the
public
who
are
watching
us
online,
no
doubt
with
huge
interest
and
to
make
any
comments
introductory
comments
that
you
you
wish
to
at
this
stage.
J
Say
our
name
three
times
and
we
we
appear
from
upstairs:
I'm
counseling.
Well,
I'm
counselor
jonathan
pryor,
I'm
the
deputy
leader
and
executive
member
for
economy,
culture
and
education.
K
I'm
councillor
helen
hayden,
exec,
member
for
infrastructure
and
climate,
so
I
really
welcome
this
report
in
terms
of
the
green
infrastructure
and
fiona's
done
a
fantastic
job
taking
it
through
taking
us
through
it.
There
so
also
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you
chair.
It
was
really
a
a
general
point
on
on
page
14
and,
and
fiona
mentioned
it
in
in
her
comments
at
paragraph
four,
the
resource
efficient
business,
the
rebiz
and
the
travel
plan
network
are
mentioned,
and
now
am
I
writing
thinking
that
that
lee
city
council
has
already
received
funds
from
these
sources.
C
My
question
was:
how
much
money
has
the
city
received
in
total?
That's
my
first
question
sure.
I
C
Leads
right,
so
we
don't
know
how
much
has
come
to
the
city
or
or
welcome
to
the
city.
The
the
point
I'm
making
about
this
is
that
obviously
most
of
us
will
have
noticed
that
the
political
situation
is
changing
a
bit
at
the
present
time.
What
risk?
What
risk
is
there
that
projects
might
be
committed
to,
and
then
the
commitment
to
giving
these
funds
might
be
less
than
it
is
now.
J
That's
that's
a
touch
more
political.
I
think
I'll
I'll.
Take
that
I
suppose
at
the
moment,
given
the
the
pledges
that
are
coming
out
of
the
the
eight
candidates
for
prime
minister,
the
risk
is
is
unknown
at
the
moment.
I
think
a
lot
of
them
are
promising
some
fantasy
politics,
where
we'll
we'll
slash
taxes
and
increase
spending
everywhere,
and
if
you
know,
candidates
are
promising
that
who
knows
what
they'll
actually
do
if
any
of
them
become?
J
Prime
minister,
so
I
guess
we
don't
really
have
a
proper
answer
on
what
the
next
prime
minister
will
do.
Given
we
don't
know
who
that
is,
but
well
in
two
months
time.
Maybe
we'll
have
a
better
idea.
K
Just
to
build
on
that
and
there's
an
open
letter
gone
today
from
hundreds
of
businesses,
including
giants
like
amazon
to
the
candidates,
because
it
their
lack
of
talking
about
environmental,
climate
change,
green
infrastructure,
it's
noticeable
by
its
absence
in
in
their
pledges
so
far
and
we've
yet
to
see
all
the
hustings
and
what
have
you,
but
just
to
draw
scooter's
attention
to
that
open
letter.
That's
come
from
businesses.
A
A
C
Well,
the
other.
The
other
question
was,
I
just
heard
reference
to
yorkshire,
water,
and
I
must
confess
I
hadn't
seen
that
in
the
report
could
could
fiona
just
enlighten
me
on
that.
Please.
I
So
yes,
this
is
the
work,
that's
just
being
done
through
leeds
anchors.
We
asked
them
for
examples
of
what
they're
already
doing,
and
what
what
the
yorkshire
water
example
that
I
called
out
here
is
around
their
climate
resilience
plan
and
the
programs
that
they've
got
including
their
water
resource
plan.
It
was
just
asking
for
examples
of
what's
already
ongoing
and
ongoing
with
our
anchor
network.
C
It
will
be
interesting,
I'm
sure-
and
I've
mentioned
this
before-
I'm
sure
they
are
doing
good
things
with
all
the
various
aspects
of
what
we're
talking
about
now,
but
I
wonder
how
the
square,
what
they
say,
they're
doing
with
selling
off
woodland,
which
they
appear
to
be
doing-
and
I
think
I've
made
this
point
before
that
there
are
at
least
two
woodlands
in
my
world
which
have
been
sold
off
to
private
buyers,
who
only
have
one
objective
and
that's
to
build
a
house
on
them
and
we're
then
faced
with
a
battle
royal
of
trying
to
avoid
a
planning,
consent,
debbie
archer,
that's
it.
K
I
do
remember
council
buckley,
bringing
that
up
when
we
had
yorkshire
water
in
the
in
the
room.
I
will
endeavor
to
check
what
the
status
is
on
from
colleagues
at
yorkshire,
water
who
we
we
as
a
council
work
very
closely
with
on
flood
aviation
and
and
flooding
systems,
along
with
the
environment
agency
as
well.
So
I
will
endeavor
to
find
out.
Thank
you.
H
H
Obviously
I
were
going
to
ask
about
the
plans
and
I
would
like
to
see
more
of
it
because
there's
issues
in
our
ward,
with
yorkshire,
water
and
and
their
system
drains
not
working
but
I'll,
come
and
see
you
since
you're
working
so
closely
with
them,
because
I'm
having
great
difficulty
with
them
by
my
other
question
was
the
council
will
therefore
be
commissioning
partners.
How
long
are
we
going
to
have
these
this
commissioning
going
on
for
and
the
other
question
just
before
you
come
in?
H
I
know
we're
looking
at
big
business
economy,
etc.
What
about
the
small
small
business,
local
business
you
know?
Are
they
gonna
get
any
looking
help,
support
or
be
involved
in
within
the
communities.
I
So
in
terms
of
partner,
what
we
mean
by
that
is
it's
a
consultancy
or
to
actually
help
us
right
to
write
a
report
and
to
work
with
us
on
it.
In
terms
of
the
recommendation
we're
not
necessarily
just
focusing
on
large
businesses,
it
needs
to
kind
of
actually
go
through
sort
of
businesses
of
of
most
sizes
and
in
terms
of
what
will
be
available
for
them.
I
I
think
that
depends
on
some
of
the
recommended
practical
recommendations
about
what
support
those
businesses
actually
need
in
the
different
sectors,
and
also
about
what
potential
opportunities
there
will
be
as
well.
So
I'm
thinking
around
sort
of
supply
chains
and
supply
chains
into
construction
and
supply
chains
into
sort
of
other
areas
as
well.
So
I
don't
think
this
is
just
going
to
be
about
those
large
businesses.
H
I
We
will
be
I'll
be
pointing
so
somebody
to
work
with
us
in
august.
This
is
not
going
to
be
a
long
position,
a
long
thing.
We
need
a
report,
that's
going
to
be
able
to
feed
into
the
inclusive
growth
strategy,
I'd
like
to
see
something
ready
by,
if
not
by
the
end
of
the
year,
certainly
by
january,
and
the
key
findings
would
be
I'd,
be
very
happy
to
come
back
to
scrutiny
and
to
talk
through
the
key
findings
when
we
have
it.
I
E
Thank
you
chair
on
page
14,
paragraph
four,
we're
on
about
the
successful
trials
of
the
electric
vehicles,
and
it
says
we
should
hopefully
have
a
52
percent
of
businesses
taking
up,
but
have
we
got
the
infrastructure
for
more
electrical
vehicles
and
what,
when
will
we
find
out?
If
actually
those
businesses
are,
we
are
down,
as
52
of
them
should
be
taking
up
electric
vehicles?
When
will
we
find
out
if
actually
they
they
took
up
the
electric
vehicle?
Or
would
we
not
have
a
follow-up
on
that
and
again
council
hamilton's
point?
E
I
know
you've
mentioned
supply
chain
and
other
businesses
linked
to
the
bigger
businesses,
but
you've
got
local
small
businesses.
That
necessarily
are
not
part
of
that
supply
chain,
but
they
want
to
become
more
environmentally
efficient.
They
want
to
reduce
their
carbon
footprint.
What
sport
have
we
got
for
those
businesses.
A
Before
you
come
in
fiona,
could
I
just
piggyback
on
councillor
shahzad's
questions
to
ask
what
what
information
we
have
from
those
businesses
who
indicated
they
weren't
going
to
pursue
the
provision
of
electric
vehicles?
Are
there
any
lessons
to
be
learned
from
them,
then,
as
to
that
that
the
obstacles
to
pushing
this
out
still
further.
I
So
if
I
I'm
going
to
take
those
in
reverse,
if
that's
all
right
so
councillor
truswell
in
terms
of
those
who
said
they
wouldn't
consider
or
they
weren't
sure
I
did-
I
have
asked
because
this
has
been
managed
by
polly
cook's
team.
The
reasons
that
they
wouldn't
were
the
vehicle
range,
the
charging
time
and
the
lack
of
charging
infrastructure
and
initial
cost.
So
those
were
the
reasons
that
they
gave
not
to
in
terms
of
support
for
smaller
businesses.
I
That
is
the
read
this
program
that
is
currently
actually
up
and
running.
It
has
been
for
a
number
of
years.
I
can
get
a
link
sent
to
you
for
where
all
the
information
is
on
that
and
for
how
businesses
can
access
that,
because
it
is
already
in
place
and
in
terms
of
follow-up,
I'll
need
to
go
back
to
polly
cook
and
ask
her
what
follow-up
is
happening
and
we'll
do
a
written
response
on
that.
So
we
can
check
to
see
if
they
are
actually
checking
to
see
who
has
purchased
one.
E
Yeah,
just
a
quick
one.
Nandi
and,
like
you
mentioned
any
one
of
your
answers,
the
infrastructure.
Have
we
got
enough
charging
ports
available
for
people
who
want
to
get
electric
vehicles
because,
especially
in
local
centers,
there's
a
big
lack
of
them.
You
might
get
one
or
two,
but
if
you
want
everyone
to
get
an
electrical
vehicle
and
especially
when
they
can't
charge
them
at
home,
because
we've
got
lots
of
terraced
houses
and
we
were
supposed
to
be
looking
into
how
they
can
actually
monitor
charge
their
vehicles.
But
we've
still
not
had
an
answer.
K
As
fiona
said,
it
is
being
led
by
polly
cook
and
her
team
in
terms
of
the
ev
charging.
It
is
a
it's
ongoing
issue
we
are,
but
we
are
focusing
on
local
centers,
as
you
said,
and
and
putting,
and
there
will
be
across
west
yorkshire.
340
charging
points
going
in.
K
We've
also
got
a
structure
for
charging
in
schools
which
also
comes
into
cancer
prayers
and
that
schools
can
bid
into,
but
I
can
get
a
written
response
for
for
the
board
on
actually
the
work
that's
been
doing
specifically
on
ev
charging,
but
it's
a
much
better
picture.
K
The
street
lights
are
not
because
of
where
they're
positioned
they're,
not
they're,
not
suitable
for
taking
an
ev
charger
either.
So
you
might
have
seen
on
shell's
advert
that
you
know
the
street
lights
converted
into
ev
charges
as
well.
That's
not
possible
with
the
street
lights
that
we've
got
in
late,
so
yeah
we're
working
very,
very
hard
on
on
this
issue
and
to
get
as
much
ev
charges
as
we
can
in
around
the
around
the
city
and
around
west
yorkshire
as
well.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
chad,
I'm
just
going
to
follow
a
little
bit
more
from
the
councillor
hamilton
and
mohammed
small
businesses.
I
think
we
all
knows
why
they
are
struggling
a
last
specially
three
months.
It's
not
just
only
for
the
lead.
E
It
comes
like
a
leeds
postcode
and
bd,
and
some
of
the
bds
drivers
who
are
licensed
chair
for
the
lead
city
council.
They
didn't
get
the
funding,
they
didn't
go
even
from
leeds
and
from
bradford
as
well.
So
I
want
to
do
a
make
sure
please
we
needed
to
work
with
combined
authority
and
find
what
they
are
a
citizen
of
the
lead,
but
the
ruining
the
business.
You
know
could
be
bradford
could
be
a
kirklist
halifax,
joke
anywhere
else.
J
F
Thanks
joe
and
thanks,
this
seems
like
a
really
important
report.
Would
I
be
right
in
saying
it's
kind
of
a
it's
a
starting
point
really,
because
it
seems
to
have
a
very
very
what
it's
a
very
wide
scope.
I
think
the
two
big
things
are
aiding
existing
employers
and
people
in
in
existing
industries
and
also
looking
at
how
we
can
bring
in
more
green
green
jobs,
green
companies
and
my
yeah.
Just
my
concern
would
be
with
such
a
wide
scope
and
a
relatively
small
report.
F
It
could
just
be
a
kind
of
snapshot
in
time
and
you
know
how
do
we
do?
We
have
facility
to
act
on
that
and
sort
of
you
know
if
a
lot
of
these
risks
are
emerging
sort
of
keep,
keep
a
focus
on
that
and
kind
of
keep
looking
at
that
information
and
acting
on
it
over
time,
and
I
suppose
related
to
that.
Is
it
better
if
a
west
yorkshire
combined
authority
are
doing
a
report
looking
at
existing
green
jobs
and
where
the
potential
for
growth
is?
F
Is
it
better
for
our
report
to
focus
on
existing
employers
and
how
we
can
help
them
navigate
the
transition
through
netzero.
I
Thank
you
yeah.
I
think
it
it
is
and
we
are
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
the
work
that's
going
on
in
west
yorkshire.
What
we're
doing
is
complementary
in-
and
this
is
not
necessarily
about
attracting
new
businesses
in
here-
it's
about
making
sure
we're
supporting
the
businesses
that
we've
got
so
that
they
are
well
placed
to
still
be
here
and
change.
What
they're
doing.
I
totally
accept
that
this
is
quite
wide
scope
and
it
might
be
in
a
sort
of
discussion
with
whoever
we
appoint
to
do
this.
I
We
do
narrow
some
of
this,
but
I
am.
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
some
practical
stuff.
This
is
not
just
a
policy
report
for
the
inclusive
growth.
I
We
do
need
some
real,
concrete
proposals
that
we
can
then
look
at
how
we,
how
we
do
adaptive
business
support
offer,
and
we
need
to
think
about
that
in
the
context
of
the
shared
prosperity
fund
as
well
and
we'll
share
this
and
we'll
talk
to
other
west
yorkshire
authorities,
like
I
say,
they're
already
aware
of
it
and
the
combined
authority
to
see
if
actually
what
the
learnings
are
for
the
rest
of
west
yorkshire,
because
I
think
actually
a
lot
of
it
will
be
relevant
as
well
directly
relevant
for
them
and
we're
happy
to
work
with
them.
I
D
Hi,
going
back
to
the
lighting
in
mali,
lee
city
council
just
replaced
our
lighting
in
our
main
queen
street,
much
to
the
upset
of
residents
because
it's
gone
from
the
traditional
to
the
modern,
but
we've
explained
that
you
know
it's
the
led
and
the
safe
day
at
night
and
things
like
that,
but
at
the
cost
of
doing
that,
going
back
to
the
for
the
electric
car,
you
know
the
charging
point.
Is
it
not
something
that
the
city
council
can
look
into
for
future?
D
You
know
when
they're
replacing
lighting
that
the
charge
you
know
it
could
be
done
like
we're,
saying
that
the
guy,
whoever
the
petrol
people
are
advertising
that
they
are
on
on
social.
You
know
on
the
television.
Is
it
something
that
we
can
go
into
in
the
future?
Please
it.
K
C
Thanks
yeah
just
a
fairly
simple
query,
but
the
climate
emergency
projects.
As
far
as
I'm
aware,
kicked
off
in
2019.
C
I
So
this
reports
less
about
risk
and
more
about
what
are
those
specific,
practical
opportunities
for
business,
so
we
have
got
some
work
around
risk
that
we'll
be
looking
at,
but
the
work
that
cpp
have
done
are
already
flagging,
some
of
that
up
and
it's
about
how
we
then
incorporate
some
of
this
in
our
economic
strategy
going
forward.
Actually,
I
don't
think
we'll
this
report
will
come
out
and
say
on
balance.
We
should
or
shouldn't
be
doing
any
of
this.
I
think
this
is
much
more
in
that
space
of
what
can
businesses
you
know.
I
Where
do
businesses
need
to
pivot
what
support
we
need
to
give
them
and
which
sectors
of
the
economy
are
expecting
to
grow
and
how
we
then
support
that.
J
Council,
prior
and
equally,
on
top
of
that,
I
wouldn't
I
disagree
with
your
characterization
that
you've
got
to
choose
between
the
climate
and
the
economy.
I
think
a
lot
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
can
actually
show
that
you
can
still
have
growth
in
an
economy.
You
can
still
have
a
strong
economy
with
jobs
with
you
know,
good
jobs
as
well,
while
also
working
towards
carbon
neutrality.
J
K
Coming
in
that
chair
as
well,
and
just
a
support
council
prior
on
that,
the
letter
that
was
written
and
published
today
talks
about
100,
000,
green
jobs.
In
fact,
a
lot
of
these
jobs
unfortunately
will
or
fortunately
depending
on
what
side
of
the
coin
you
are
become
more
and
more,
and
I'm
speaking
here
as
a
coal
miner's
granddaughter.
A
Yeah,
I
think
that
point
is
well
made.
I
think,
apart
from
a
minority
of
climate
change,
deniers
most
people
and
most
part,
especially
in
this
country,
subscribe
to
the
view.
That's
a
climate
emergency
which
we've
got
to
do
our
bit
to
tackle
whatever
the
constraints
might
be,
but
we
obviously
are
constrained
by
lots
of
lots
of
different
potential
obstacles.
But
you
want
to
come
back
on
that
mat.
C
Actually,
no
not
on
that
specific
point,
but
I
just
had
a
further
point
to
make
about
the
the
project
itself
and
it
was
the
word
that
stood
out
to
me
and
it's
one
that's
well
known
to
myself,
but
you
see
the
project
or
leads
being
used
as
a
test
bed
by
getting
ahead
of
the
the
curve
ball
on
this,
and
I
just
wonder
the
report
seems
to
suggest
being
a
test.
Bed
is
an
advantage,
someone
from
a
worked
in
an
industry
that
would
generally
shy
away
for
from
sort
of
test
bed.
C
A
I
think
I
think
the
context
of
the
report
is
that
we've
got
opportunities.
We've
got
two
major
new
institutions
that
are
going
to
be
located
in
legion.
Hopefully
we
can
tap
into
them
and
perhaps
test
bed
does
have
a
number
of
negative
connotations,
but
I
see
it
in
a
much
more
positive
context.
K
Yes,
chair,
I'm
really
leads,
has
always
innovated
for
the
last
200
years
later
innovated
and
that's
why
we're
in
the
position
that
we
are
now
so
we
need
to
take
that
innovative
spirit
and
I'm
I'm
happy
with
the
test
bed,
because
that's
where
the
future
comes
from.
A
I'm
going
to
bring
councillor
shazad
in
in
a
moment,
but
I
think
it's
an
appropriate
part,
a
logical
point
for
me
to
ask
one
of
the
questions
that
I
had
and
it,
and
it
relates
to
paragraph
two
on
the
page.
14..
Sorry,
no
paragraph
three
on
page
14
and
it's
the
modeling
by
the
local
government
association.
That
indicates
that
leads,
will
generate
more
green
jobs
than
any
other
of
the
core
cities.
A
And
I
just
wonder
if
we
could
be
giving
a
bit
of
an
insight
into
how
that
modelling
and
that
calculation
is
made
because
we're
very
used
on
this
board-
and
I
suppose
others
getting
these
figures
and
I'm
not
saying
that
they
clutched
out
a
thin
air
because
clearly
they're
not.
But
it's
always
useful
to
know
what
the
methodology
has
been.
And
you
know
how
robust
the
figure
is
when
we're
quoting
things
like
this.
I
Okay,
so
I'll
give
you
what
I've
got
and
what
we've
been
able
to
actually
dig
into
from
the
lga
report.
This
was
a
report
by
acuity
consulting
that
was
done
for
the
the
lga
and
I
can
circulate
that
afterwards.
So
you
can
have
a
look
at
that.
They
used
ons
classification
of
low
carbon
jobs
and
they
identified
six
high-level
sectors
ranging
from
low
carbon,
electricity
and
energy
efficiency
and
vehicles.
I
They
analyze
the
uptake
of
clean
low
carbon
technology
by
to
me,
required
to
meet
net
zero
they've
used
a
time
series
on
that
uptake
and
they've,
then
looked
at
research
and
estimating
the
number
of
employment
intensity.
So
I
am
reading
from
a
briefing
here.
You'll
be
gobsmacked
to
know
you
know,
intensity
associated
with
those
that
technology.
I
They
have
also
looked
at
they're,
looking
at
direct
jobs
as
well,
not
indirect
jobs,
and
they
have
used
national
estimates
and
they've
used
berez
the
business
register
and
employment
survey
data.
So
this
is
all
national
data.
They've
looked
at
standard
industrial
classification
code,
it's
all
things
that
are
public
and
there's
that's
the
robust
methodology
behind
some
of
that.
I
will
send
this
separate
briefing
that
I've
had
to
to
yourself
chair,
so
you
can
actually
see
it
in
detail
and
very
happy
for
it
to
be
circulated.
J
I
Just
to
add
in
as
well
when
I
mentioned
things
like
the
humber
cluster
and
things
like
that
before
we're
thinking
about
sort
of,
obviously,
if
you're
thinking
about
technology
like
wind
and
all
of
that,
actually
all
of
those
things
that
were
manufactured
most
of
that
happened
outside
of
the
uk.
Actually,
we've
missed
the
ball,
and
some
of
that
on
some
of
this,
and
actually
we
don't
want
to
do
that
again
and
by
making
sure
that
we're
actually
you
know
the
innovation
side
and
the
testbed.
I
I
think
that's
really
important
and
we
have
got
some
great
companies
in
late
and
we've
got
some
really
forward-looking
things.
So
anecdotally,
situ,
you
know
their
housing
development
they've
had
to
import
quite
a
lot
of
the
materials
to
make
some
of
those,
because
actually
the
businesses
in
this
country
have
not
been
there
to
actually
deliver
some
of
that
and
when
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there
are,
and
so
the
innovation
link
to
that
is,
is
really
important,
but
actually
that
long
supply
chain
as
well.
So
I
think
it
there
is.
A
Okay,
thank
you
just
following
on
for
that,
and
then
I
will
bring
in
other
colleagues.
Thank
you
fiona
for
giving
us
some
insight
as
to
how
that
figure
from
local
government
association
was
compiled.
But
are
there
any
plans
for
us
to
do
our
own
leads
version
so
that
we
can
look
at
a
baseline
of
where
we
are
at
the
moment
in
terms
of
green
jobs
in
the
green
economy
and
measure
over
time?
I
So,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
see
what
the
output
is
from
the
work
from
wicker
from
at
the
west
yorkshire
level
about
what
that
is
actually
going
to
capture
and
we'll
see
what
the
employment
and
skills
team
have
got
already.
But
there
is,
there
is
work
underway
in
in
that
team
and
again,
I'd
need
to
get
martin
long
to
come
to
feedback
that.
But
I
think
the
work
from
wicca
is
going
to
give
us
a
bit
of
a
definition
around
green
jobs
as
well
and
have
a
look
at
that
baseline
position.
A
Hey
report
you,
you
need
to
switch
your
microphone
mo
with
your
indulgence,
I'll
bring
councillor
galvani
in
because
he's
not
spoken
yet,
and
then
I
will
come
to
you
john.
G
Thank
you,
chair
fiona,
you
mentioned
homicide
a
couple
of
times
in
the
cluster
there,
and
you
also
mentioned
in
passing
the
work
they're
doing
on
hydrogen.
G
Now,
if
we're
talking
about
innovation,
that
is
where
I
see
the
real
innovation
to
come,
because
that's
the
one
technology
that
doesn't
transfer
pollution
in
the
way
the
eva
does,
and
we
all
know
the
problems
of
batteries
and
the
problems
of
mining,
the
rare
earth,
minerals
and
everything
we're
surrounded
by
water.
G
I
K
There
is
some
in
terms
of
companies
wanting
to
invest
in
hydrogen
and
very
interested
in
in
coming
to
leeds.
So
there
is
ongoing
work
on
that,
but
I
can
see
if
there's
anything
that
I
could
share
with
the
board
as
yet.
But
we
are
definitely
talking
to
companies
via
well
polly
cook
and
her
team
are
in
terms
of
bringing
hydrogen
to
the
city
yeah.
E
We've
got
31
000
jobs
that
are
considered
to
be
high
emitting,
what
our
other
plans
to
actually
train
people
or
get
them
ready
for
the
green
jobs
and
also
the
issue
with
this
is
with
most
of
those
jobs
being
in
louis
super
output
areas.
It
seems
to
be
that,
with
the
climate
we
we,
we
are
not
taking
them
into
consideration
where
they
seem
to
be
the
ones
bearing
the
brunt
of
everything
that
we
are
doing.
For
example,
I
could
give
you
the
transport
industry.
E
We
had
the
clean
air
zone
that
was
coming
in
and
the
transport
industry
did
not
get
a
good
deal
to
move
to
a
more
environmentally
friendly
vehicles
compared
to
other
cities
who
are
bringing
in
the
clean
air
zone
and
therefore
we
need
to
make
sure
that
it's
those
people
as
councillor
hayden,
said
she's
coming
from
a
mining
background
that
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
those
31
000
jobs
are
not
people
that
are
then
left
on
the
unemployed
queue
and
the
training
starts
after
they
are
made
unemployed.
E
So
they
haven't
got
a
chance
to
either
transition
in
a
way
where
they're,
already
learning
skills
to
the
point
where
we
then
think
we
can
move
into
the
green
jobs,
because
that's
the
thing,
because
a
lot
of
these
people
will
probably
be
in
those
jobs
for
a
long
time
and
for
them
to
retransition
so
quickly
will
be
difficult.
Unless
you
start
thinking
about
some
sort
of
training
or
transitioning
for
them
now,
otherwise,
the
lowest
super
output
areas.
We
will
be
making
them
poorer
because
these
people
will
be
unemployed
so
yeah.
I
So
we
would
need
employment
skills
to
come
back
this.
It
is
on
their
agenda,
but
they
would
need
to
come
back
and
give
you
that
information
about
what's
happening.
K
I
think
it's
an
excellent
point.
Councillor
shazad.
I
have
firsthand
experience
of
what
the
the
closing
of
the
mines
did
to
the
communities
up
in
the
in
county.
Durham,
where
you
know
my
family
live
it's
taken
them
decades
to
you,
know
to
kind
of
come
out
of
it
in
any
sustainable
way,
and
the
northeast
is,
is
you
know
it
is
a
very
different
place
where
it
was
in
in
the
80s,
but
we
need
yes
you're,
absolutely
right.
We
need
to
do
the
work
now
and
on
the
green
jobs
agenda.
K
We
are
working
in
terms
of
you
know.
I've
done
being
part
of
you
know,
bringing
schools
into
kind
of
telling
them
what's
available,
what
you
know
and
working
with
young
people
but
you're,
absolutely
right,
those
31
000
jobs
in
the
highest
output,
in
terms
and
the
fact
that
they're
in
our
lowest
deprivate
deprived
areas.
It's
a
really
really
good
point,
and
you
know
I'm
sure
that
employment
and
skills
are
working
on
it,
but
yeah
it's
something.
We
need
to
keep
an
eye
on
and
move
fast.
K
J
I
I
agree,
I
think
it's
a
really
important
point
and
I
think
council
lady
makes
makes
kind
of
obviously
the
obvious
parallel
with
with
the
closing
of
the
minds.
I
think,
there's
there's
a
slight
difference
in
that
kind
of
that
was
a
quite
sudden
thing
which
led
to
huge
communities
you
know
being
unemployed
and
and
obviously
the
impacts
of
that
have
been
felt
for
decades.
J
This
is
something
which
is
going
to
be
probably
a
bit
more
gradual.
It's
not
going
to
be
everyone
all
at
once
in
the
same
way,
but
we
are
doing
a
huge
amount
of
work
on
it.
It's
probably
something
which
you
know
that
one
question
could
have
an
entire
scrutiny
inquiry
in
itself,
because
those
thousands
of
people
aren't
going
to
move
all
from
one
industry
to
another.
There
are
several
people
across
many
industries
who
will
move
across
many
other
industries
over
several
years.
J
There's
a
huge
amount
of
work
that
the
the
mayor
is
undertaking.
Skills
is
obviously
part
of
her
funding
as
well,
so
you're
absolutely
right
to
highlight
it,
but
it
is
a
huge
question
with
a
huge
piece
of
work
behind
it
that
will
take
years
and
years.
A
And
I
think
we
ought
to
avoid
the
assumption
that
certain
industries,
irrespective
of
their
high
carbon
generation,
are
going
to
be
eradicated
or
wiped
off
the
face
of
the
earth.
I
think
part
of
the
challenge
is
minimizing
the
impact
of
some
of
those
industries
that
will
remain
necessary,
whether
we
like
it
or
not,
in
terms
of
their
impact
on
the
on
the
climate.
J
You
wanted
to
come
in
just
to
bring
in
one
one
small
example
of
how
kind
of
that
carbon
shift
can
actually
change
people's
jobs,
but
without
leading
to
more
unemployment.
I
know
some
cities
in
europe
have
taken
to
having
delivery
robots
which
have
essentially
replaced
deliveroo
and
ubereat
and
those
other
sort
of
like
small
deliveries
in
the
cities
where
they've
brought
in
these
robots
to
replace
those
drivers.
J
The
amount
of
business
that
has
been
ordered
from
these
has
increased
so
much
that
the
places
that
pack
the
bags
that
they
go
to
delivery
shops.
Those
jobs
have
increased
at
about
the
same
rate.
The
delivery
drops,
the
delivery
drivers
have
have
lost,
so
it's
been
kind
of
the
same
net
number
of
jobs
that
are
shifting
from
driving
and
delivering
to
packing.
J
J
B
Olson,
thank
you
chair.
Just
coming
back
to
the
electric
vehicle
infrastructure
issue.
B
It's
it's
clearly
an
issue
which
needs
to
be
addressed
one
way
or
another,
particularly
for
people
such
as
tradesmen
or
people
who
operate
from
home,
particularly
tradesmen
who,
may
you
know,
rely
on
transport
as
a
means
to
do
do
their
job
and
particularly
people
that
may
not
have
the
facilities
outside
their
house
if,
for
example,
if
they
live
in
a
terrace
house
where
they
it's
not
easy
to
charge
their
vehicle,
by
no
means
am
I
saying
all
tradesmen
live
in
terrace
houses,
but
just
using
it
as
an
example,
has
any
work
been
done
or
will
any
work
be
done
to
look
at
other
cities
who
are
who
are
trialing,
innovative
schemes
that
may
be?
B
You
know
that
may
be
successful,
which
we
can
bring
to
leeds
and
hopefully
bring
some
of
that
business
with
it,
because
some
of
these
people
who
want
to
set
up
a
business
may
think
leaders.
You
know
it's
a
good
opportunity
to
move
my
business
to
leeds,
because
I
can
charge
my
vehicle
from
my
home.
B
We
shouldn't
I'm
not
suggesting
we
are
because
small
business
has
been
touched
on
today,
but
it
is
important
that
we
are
looking
at
people
that
operate
from
homes
and
residential
well
from
their
residents
as
opposed
to
premises.
Essentially
so,
just
coming
back
to
the
question,
are
we
looking
at
others
what
other
cities
are
doing
and
seeing
if
we
can
bring
it
to
leeds?
Thank
you.
K
Like
that,
we
are
constantly
looking
at
others
and,
to
be
honest,
most
cities
in
this
country
look
to
lead
and
what
we're
doing
so.
But
we
do
look
at
europe
and
that's
where,
as
council
prior
mentioned,
and
that's
where
the
innovations
that's
where
the
innovation
is
happening
in
terms
of
I'd,
if
you're
ever
on
youtube,
do
go
and
see
a
fabulous
plumber
who
who
trailed
one
of
our
electric
vehicles,
our
electric
vans,
and
then
he
was
the
best
staffer.
K
He
put
a
little
video
of
why
it
was
great
and
how
he
used
it
and
how
he
charged
it
and
all
the
rest
of
it,
and
it
went
a
bit
viral
and
thousands
of
people
watched
it.
We
haven't
got
any
data
because,
obviously
it
was.
K
You
know
a
really
great
guy
who
you
know
when
when
on
youtube
himself,
but
we
we
believe
that
he's
done
more
in
terms
of
you
know
kind
of
encouraging
people
to
get
electric
vehicles
than
anyone
else
and
he's
a
small
business
in
leeds
and
who
trials
one
of
our
electric
vans.
K
So
yes,
and
a
part
of
that
innovation
is
the
trial
and,
and
it
wasn't
just
businesses,
it
was
charities
as
well,
such
as
a
baby
bank
and
they
ended
up
buying
an
electric
van
for
their
deliveries
and
things
like
that.
So
that's
part
of
the
innovation.
But
we
do
constantly
look
around
europe
and
we're
in
partnership
with
several
european
and
wider
internationally
countries,
and
and
we
have
forums
where
we
discuss
what
each
other
are
doing
and
and
learn
from
each
other
as
well.
K
So
I
took
point
took
part
in
one
on
tree
planting
with
our
with
glenn
corner
our
fabulous
tree
officer,
and-
and
it
was
like
france,
yeah
france,
portugal,
czech,
the
czech
republic
and
show
me
that
czech
republic
and
china,
and
a
a
really
quite
big
city,
I've
never
heard
of
in
china,
and
what
we're
all
doing
in
terms
of
tree
planting
and
sharing
ideas
and
sharing
best
practice.
B
Thank
you,
council,
you
did.
You
did
actually
answer
my
what
I
was
going
to
follow
up
with,
but
just
to
come
back
to
the
question.
Are
we
in
particular,
looking
at
electrical
vehicle
charging
schemes
that
other
cities
maybe.
K
Yeah,
yes,
we
are,
but
I
mean
the
government
policy
is
being
drawn
up
at
the
moment.
So
we
have
to
wait
for
that
as
well.
In
terms
of
so
I
was
at
a
conference
with
the
civil
servant
who's
drawing
up
that
drawing
up
that
policy,
so
yeah
we're
constantly
looking
but,
as
I
said,
nowhere's
really
that
far
ahead
at
the
moment,
because
we're
waiting
for
government
policy
to
tell
us
what
we
should
and
shouldn't
be
doing
in
terms
of
ev
charging.
K
Trialing
schemes
is
not
breaking
the
law,
we
didn't
go
into
the
scooter
trials,
which
were
government-led
because
for
various
reasons,
and
but
we
are
ahead
of
the
curve.
But
if
we
were
when
you've
gone,
to
put
in
a
major
piece
of
industry,
which
we've
already
mentioned,
hydrogen,
that
may
actually
be
not
needed
in
a
few
years
time.
You
have
to
be
quite
careful
in
terms
of
spending
public
money
and
going
ahead
before
government
policy
is,
is,
is
drawn
up
and
fully
implemented.
C
K
Well,
they're,
looking
at
us
in
all
types
of
the
green
are
retrofitting
tree
planting
in
terms
of
our
developing
solar
farms,
our
district
heating.
These
pipes
is
incredibly
attractive
to
to
other
areas
in
terms
of
our
electric
vehicles
and
the
fact
that,
as
a
council,
we've
got
the
biggest
fleet.
Dundee
might
be
overtaking
us,
but
I
need
to
check
on
that
yeah,
but
but
dundee
looked
to
us
and
and
what
we
were
doing
in
terms
of
our
own
fleet.
K
So
I
can
get
you
a
full
list,
but
yeah.
I'm
often
asked
to
speak
at
conferences
where
other
cities
are
very
much
wanting
to
hear
what
leeds
is
doing.
A
Noted,
I
think
I'm
not
going
to
prolong
this
any
further
right.
This
is
the
point
at
the
end
of
every
item,
where
I
try
and
bring
it
to
a
close,
and
someone
feels
moved
to
suddenly
put
their
hands
up
again,
so
I'm
gonna
say
I'm
gonna
move
on.
Unless
someone
else
wants
to
ask
a
question:
nope,
I'm
gonna
move
on
okay.
Well,
thanks
very
much
for
your
attendance
and
councillor
prior,
I
think
we'll
be
leaving
us.
Thank
you.
Fiona
councillor.
A
Hayden
will
be
remaining
for
an
item
later
on
the
agenda,
so
that
brings
us
to
agenda
item
eight
starting
on
page
37.,
I'll
just
wait
a
second.
While
stephen
moves
into
place,
I
mean
obviously
the
two
big
digital
issues
of
smart
cities
and
digital
inclusion
have
occupied
the
interest
of
this
board
for
many
years.
I
think,
starting
in
2015,
and
at
that
time
they
really
were
quite
marginal
issues.
A
They
weren't
at
the
forefront
of
the
council's
thinking
are
priorities
and
I'd
like
to
think
that
our
interest
in
both
of
these
issues,
I've
helped
to
promote
them
up
the
the
council's
priorities,
and
in
fact
I
think
now
it's
fair
to
say
leeds
is
very
much
seen
as
a
a
uk
leader
and
still
a
great
deal
to
do.
We
did
have
a
report.
A
We
did
have
a
report
on
digital
inclusion
to
a
previous
board
meeting
fairly
recently,
but
we
were
minded
to
postpone
this
particular
report,
because
ideas
were
still
in
the
throes
of
reorganization
and
so
now
that
reorganization,
I
think,
is
now
is
beginning
to
bed
in
and
we've
got
stephen
here
to
present
this
report.
Stephen
assume
that
we've
read
the
report,
so
you
only
need
to
introduce
it
in
a
fairly
brief
fashion,
but
over
to
you.
L
Thank
you
councillor
and
good
morning.
Everybody
pleased
to
meet
you
in
person,
which
is
nice
yeah
just
to
to
follow
on
from
what
counselor
trustwell
was
was
opening
up
with
there.
So
we've
been
to
this
board
on
numerous
occasions
with
a
smart
cities
update
which
focused
very
much
on
technology
and
innovation
and
devices
that
we
were
looking
to
use,
and
we
that
we
were
trialing
following
the
restructure
of
the
integrated
digital
service
and
the
merger.
L
L
Looking
at
how
ids
will
support
the
organization
to
digitize
and
digitalize
and
become
a
more
efficient
organization
and
how
it
uses
digital
technology
and
how
it
collects
and
uses
data
in
a
better
way
to
help
with
decision
making
page
38
covers
some
of
the
top
three
city.
Digital
priorities
system
flow
is
focusing
on
how
we
better
use
data
and
technology
to
help
people
move
from
between
different
care
settings,
for
example
between
hospital
and
social
care.
L
At
the
moment,
in
leis,
that's
very
much
focused
on
getting
people
out
of
hospital
really,
rather
than
the
wider
social
care
setting.
So
that's
something
that
is
being
worked
on
and
a
key
priority.
The
core
business
transformation
is
looking
at
how
we
the
solutions
that
we
have
in
areas
finance
procurement,
hr
and
payroll,
but
this
this
is
not
just
about
changing
a
system.
This
is
about
looking
at
processors
and
people
and
how
we
really
transform
the
way
that
we
work
and
how
technology
and
data
forms
part
of
that
security
operation
center.
L
Obviously,
cyber
security
is
a
key
key
concern
for
everyone,
and
some
work
is
underway
to
look
at
how
we
deliver
a
cyber
security
operation
center
for
the
city
rather
than
just
for
the
council.
Some
other
key
priority
areas
there,
which
we'll
go
into
detail
on.
We
can
discuss
afterwards
if
you
wish,
focusing
on
the
shared
care
record,
that's
kind
of
the
the
the
follow
on.
L
If
you
like,
the
next
iteration
of
the
leeds
care
record,
digitizing
social
care
records
and
also
how
we
look
for
funding
to
support
some
of
this
work,
the
strategy,
the
the
report
then
goes
on
to
outline
it's
a
very
high
level.
This
is
work
that
is
still
underway.
L
The
leeds
digital
strategy
that
ids
is
leading
on
just
just
to
know
that
the
digital
strategy
is
being
written
as
a
city
strategy,
so
not
necessarily
a
council
or
a
ccg
or
any
other
organizational
strategy,
but
one
that
we
hope
that
other
organizations
or
the
people
across
the
city
can
look
at
and
say
well.
I
could
actually
contribute
to
that
in
some
way
and
I
can
adopt
that
element
of
it
and
I
can
do
something
there
to
support
ids
and
the
council's
approach
there
it
take.
L
It
follows
the
life
stage
approach,
which
was
which
has
been
highlighted
in
the
best
city
ambition
document.
So
how
can
digital
support
people
throughout
their
lives
from
starting,
well
living?
Well,
working
well
in
aging,
well,
so
very
much
taking
that
person-centered
approach
to
what
we
do
also
covers
the
digital
foundations
which
I've
reported
to
at
this
board
previously
and,
of
course,
getting
the
foundations
right
absolutely
fundamental.
L
You
know
better
use
collection
of
data
ensuring
that
we
have
the
right
digital
skills,
digital
and
data
ethics
that
we're
doing
things
in
the
right
way.
Digital
inclusion,
of
course,
which
is
reported,
as
you
mentioned,
ensuring
that
people
can
get
online
have
the
digital
skills
to
be
able
to
be
able
to
access
services
in
future
and
then.
Finally,
the
report
goes
on
to
our
digital
innovation
programme.
L
Once
we've
done
some
innovation
work
in
the
past
and
have
reported
to
this
board
on,
for
example,
through
our
innovation
labs,
we've
developed
the
leeds
bins
app
some
a
few
years
ago.
That's
still
available
now
helps
people.
It
reminds
people
when
to
put
their
their
been
out
and
what
to
recycle,
and
we
want
to
do.
We
want
to
do
more
of
that.
L
It's
important,
however,
that
that
innovation
program
takes
a
strategic
approach
and
that
we
target
our
innovation
in
the
right
area
and
therefore
the
the
innovation
programme
will
work
closely
with
our
digital
change
service.
Part
of
ids,
who
are
currently
drawing
up
some
digital
road
maps
with
specific
services
to
identify
what
their
challenges
and
their
priorities
are.
And,
of
course
it
will
be
led
also
by
the
digital
strategy
itself
as
well,
and
then
finally,
some
examples
there
of
how
we
will
go
about
that
innovation
program.
L
In
terms
of
you
know:
delivering
more
innovation,
labs
supplier
days,
where
we
learn
from
other
suppliers
and
other
cities
that
are
perhaps
doing
some
of
this
work
already,
and
also
programs
such
as
gov
tech,
leads
where
we
offer
grant
funding
to
suppliers
and
we
work
with
them
in
more
detail
and
in
more
depth
to
really
get
under
the
skin
of
a
particular
thorny
issue
to
further
understand
that
challenge
and
then
develop
and
co-design
some
solutions
with
those
with
those
suppliers.
D
Thank
you
thanks
chair
again,
this
is
a
a
comprehensive
update
report.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Just
unpaid
page
39.15
social
care
records.
Are
you
on
target
for
the
the
march
23
target.
L
I
will
I
will
need
to
get
back
to
you
on
that,
what's
happening
at
the
moment
with
the
the
leeds
care
record.
That
was
that's,
as
you
may
be
familiar
with
the
leeds
care
record
for
those
that
aren't.
This
is
a
way
of
different
clinicians
in
different
settings
being
able
to
view
healthcare
data,
regardless
of
where
they
are,
and
that's
pulling
data
in
from
a
variety
of
a
variety
of
sources
and
the
the
leads
care
record
has
been
led
and
managed
by
the
leeds
teaching
hospital.
L
There
is
work
there
is
work
also
underway
on
a
a
wider
yorkshire
and
humber
shared
care
record,
and
it's
how
this
work
in
the
future.
L
The
work
that
we've
done
in
the
past,
with
the
leads
care
record
filters
in
and
feeds
into
the
wider
yorkshire
and
humber
shared
care
record
so
what's
been
decided,
is
that
the
the
leads
care
record
has
been
paused
and
packed
for
now,
and
no
further
development
will
take
place
on
that
and
there
is
a
new
board
set
up
to
review
the
future
of
shared
care
records
across
leeds
and
integrate
with
the
the
yorkshire
and
humber
work
as
well.
F
Thanks
chair
on
page
42
37.,
you
talk
about
the
rollout
of
broadband
infrastructure
and
getting
people
super
fast
internet
access.
Is
there
anything
more?
We
can
do
to
pressure
other
infrastructure
providers
to
step
up
their
own
rollouts.
F
I've
written
to
city
fibre,
I
think,
is
to
encourage
them
to
to
speed
up
their
rollout
in
the
north
of
my
ward
and
I'm
sure
it's
the
same
in
lots
of
past
city
where
the
connectivity
is
just
you
know,
the
role
out
is
not
going
as
fast
as
other
areas
and
isn't
as
good.
Is
there
anything
apart
from
our
own
sort
of
direct
procurement,
I
suppose
there's
anything
we
can
do
to
pressure
other
providers
to
speed
up
their
rollout.
L
I'm
not
directly
involved
in
in
that
particular
project
and
and
I'm
not
sure
what
pressure
we
can
apply
to
those.
Obviously
they
are
commercial
companies
and
have
ambitious
plans
of
their
own
and
in
fact,
our
full
fiber
roll
out
in
partnership
with
with
bt
is
delivering
a
a
full
fiber
connectivity
to
1400
council
building
schools
and
other
public
sector
buildings
as
well,
and
that
infrastructure
then
provides
the
skeleton
if
you
like,
to
be
able
to
build
out
from
from
from
there.
L
So
then
bt,
of
course,
will
will
that
then
be
able
to
work
with
households
and
businesses
in
other
parts
of
the
city
to
branch
out
from
the
infrastructure
that
we're
we're
supporting.
So
the
work
that
we're
doing
in
our
own
right
is
supporting
the
speeding
up
of
that
rollout
in
terms
of
the
pressure
that
we
can
put
on
city,
fiber,
virgin,
media
and
others
again,
let
me
get
back
to
you
on
that.
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
kind
of
pressure
we
can
apply.
K
I
am
meeting
with
the
digital
providers
of
5g
digital
providers
and
and
wike
are
also
looking
at
a
map
of
where
in
west
yorkshire
is
covered,
where
there
are
any
spots,
so
that
work
is
ongoing.
So
I
can
keep
you.
I
can
keep
you
up
to
date
with
that,
but
I
am
meeting
with
that,
mainly
because
we
don't
have
much
powers
in
planning
as
to
where
they
put
their
masts
and
it
can
cause
a
great
deal
of
cancer
sharp
nose
in
our
ward.
K
They
wanted
to
put
it
next
to
temple,
knew
some
house
practically.
So
you
know
and
that's
the
angle
I'm
coming
at,
but
I
am
also
very
interested
in
where
they
are
putting
the
mass
where
their
that
con
connectivity
is
have
we
got
any
areas
of
high
deprivation
that
are
not
rural
areas
that
are
not
covered.
So,
yes,
I'm
I'm
I'm
that
work
is
ongoing
at
the
moment
with
the,
but
we
have
very.
K
F
Thanks
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and,
and
a
different
question
than
from
me
is
around
measurement,
I
suppose
and
kind
of
outcomes
we're
working
towards
so
the
kind
of
top
three
priorities
under
system
flow
you
talk
about
we'll
need
to
clearly
articulate
the
business
problem.
It's
seeking
to
address,
define
it
as
an
outcome,
baseline
deliverables
and
take
a
people-centred
approach,
and
I
think
that
that
looks
like
it's
sort
of
needed
for
particularly
the
core
business
transfer
transformation
as
well,
which
I'd
be
really
interested
to
know.
F
I
suppose
what
what
we
expect
to
achieve
and
what
the
expected
value
is.
So
how
will
we
know
that
the
investment
in
it
is
has
been?
You
know
worthwhile?
What
kind
of
metrics
you
would
expect
to
use
to
measure
progress
on
that,
and
I
guess,
as
a
scrutiny
board,
it
would
be
useful
for
us
to
have.
F
You
know
to
be
able
to
see
those
as
well
and
see
like
what
progress
we're
making,
because
it
looks
like
the
the
ey
review,
we'll
be
looking
at
creating
a
road
map,
but
I
suppose
in
a
wave,
a
more
useful
bit
as
a
business
case,
because
that
that
road
maps
can
change.
If
you
realize
that
what
you
you
know,
what
you're
doing
isn't,
isn't
a
success.
F
So
I'm
more
interested
in
kind
of
the
outcomes
of
the
metrics
and
and
expected
value
over
kind
of
long
road
maps
which
might
might
change
over
time.
L
Yes
enough,
I
will,
of
course
it's
in
this
report.
We
report
back
to
this
board
on
a
on
an
annual
and
regular
basis,
and
I
will
of
course
ensure
that
you're
kept
up
to
date
with
that
this
work
is
ongoing
at
the
moment,
so
that
worked
with
ey,
for
example,
the
work
with
reviewing
system
flow
is
ongoing
and
I
will
report
that
to
the
board
on
that.
E
Thank
you
chair
on
page
42,
paragraph
39,
digital
inclusion,
apologies
counsel,
hamilton
right.
What
are
we
doing?
I
mean
it
does
say
on
there
that
we
will
ensure
that
everyone
in
leeds
has
equal
opportunity
to
use
digital
tools,
technology
and
services,
but
it
doesn't
really
actually
say
how
we're
going
to
go
about
doing
that,
and
on
top
of
that,
without
giving
my
age
away,
I
think
people
from
the
40
upwards
are
a
section
of
the
community
that
are
being
missed.
E
There's
nothing
there
for
you
to
go
actually
say.
I
want
to
learn
some
digital
skills.
I've
not
seen
anything
I've
not
seen
anything
advertised
then.
My
second
question
is:
what
are
we
going
to
going
to
do?
We
have
got
probably
some
inefficient
departments
that
could
do
with
the
technological
upgrade
and
lead
city
council,
and
especially
vehicle
licensing,
is
one
of
them.
E
The
infrastructure
is
not
quite
there
to
actually
make
them
technologically
efficient,
so
they
could
obviously
give
savings
to
the
council
as
well
as
make
it
an
easier
way
to
for
people
to
interact
with
them.
L
Thank
you,
councillor,
yeah.
First
of
all,
on.
A
Before
you
come
in,
I
think
I
think
I
should,
if
you
could
just
turn
your
mic
off.
I
I
think
we
need
to
be
clear
that
councillor
shazad
has
hit
up
on
the
problems
caused
by
not
having
smart
cities
and
digital
inclusion
as
the
same
agenda
item,
because
we
have
covered
digital
inclusion
in
great
detail.
A
As
you
know,
as
a
as
a
past
member
muhammad,
I
mean
I'm
not
in
any
way
minimizing
the
importance
of
your
questions,
but
I
think
in
future
we
will
try
and
ensure
that
smart
cities
comes
with
digital
inclusion,
because
wherever
there's
an
issue
relating
to
digital
inclusion
contained
in
a
report,
members
will
naturally
home
in
on
it
because
it's
something
which,
for
six
or
seven
years,
we've
been
very
keen
on.
A
But
we
do
have
comprehensive
and
regular
reports
back
on
on
digital
inclusion,
as
I
say
not
to
minimize
the
issue,
it's
something
that
we've
regarded
as
a
massive
priority
over
the
years.
So
stephen.
Just
with
that
that
comment,
I
just
wanted
to
explain
why
you
don't,
in
this
report,
explore
digital
inclusion
in
much
greater
detail,
because
we've
actually
done
it
in
a
much
more
recent
report.
L
So
each
of
these
sections
that
are
highlighted
so
the
highlights,
if
you
like,
the
the
headlines,
if
you
like,
and
obviously
as
councillor
trusswell,
alludes
to
there,
that
digital
inclusion
very
much
a
strong
part
of
that
digital
strategy,
as
you're
perhaps
aware
loads
of
work
going
on
in
in
that
space
with
100
digital
leads
team
still
more
to
do,
and
that
is
referenced
in
the
strategy
as
well,
because
you're
right,
there's
always
pockets
and
communities
who
may
still
be
digitally
excluded.
And
it's
about
identifying
those
gaps.
L
I
think
the
success
of
the
the
100
digital
leads
program
is
that
this
isn't
a
program
that
is
simply
delivered
by
leed
city
council.
This
is
almost
a
kind
of
a
train.
The
trainer
approach,
if
you
like,
and
it's
about
leads
working
with
local
community
groups
and
people
who
are
connected
to
those
communities
more
so
than
perhaps
we
are,
and
they
are
delivering
that
digital
inclusion
work
in
their
local
communities.
L
So
that's,
hopefully
that
answers
that
one,
but,
as
councillor
trustwell
says
a
long
report
from
one
of
the
previous
boards,
we'll
give
you
much
more
information
on
that
one
in
in
respect
of
the
department's
question
that
you
had
absolutely
you
know,
100
agree,
and
I
don't
think
anybody
else
would
disagree
with
that,
and
that
is
part
of
the
work
that
will
be.
That
is
being
done
for
the
road,
the
the
service
road
maps.
L
So,
as
I
mentioned
in
my
introduction,
our
digital
change
team
are
working
closely
with
services
right
across
the
council,
but
also
those
covered
by
the
ccg
as
well
to
review
what
the
challenges
are.
The
priorities
are
in
those
specific
areas
and
review
review
the
infrastructure
on
page
38
that
diagram
there
kind
of
outlines.
L
You
know
where
you
know
where
we
want
to
be
as
an
organization,
I
would
say
we're
between
the
emergent
and
the
managed
kind
of
areas
at
the
moment
and
looking
at
application
rationalization
where
we've
got
applications
and
solutions
that,
where
we've
got
too
many,
perhaps
and
that's
difficult
for
us
to
manage
those,
because
we've
just
got
to
to
too
many
applications
as
part
of
the
estate
have
we
got
the
right
solutions
in
place
to
be
able
to
be
able
to
deliver
our
services
efficiently
and
effectively.
L
So
all
that
work
is
being
done,
the
road
maps
will
be
deliver
delivered
for
individual
services
and
then
the
digital
board
will
review
and
prioritize
the
work
that
needs
to
take
place.
Bearing
in
mind
financial
pressures
resourcing
and
all
the
rest
of
it.
A
Yeah,
thank
you,
stephen
becky.
Could
you
make
a
note
that
it
would
be
useful
to
circulate
the
most
recent
report
on
digital
inclusion,
because
obviously,
we've
got
a
number
of
new
members
who
would
not
have
been
members
of
the
board
even
a
few
months
ago,
and
I
think
it
it
helps
to
put
this
in
context.
So
thanks
councilman
mccabe
for
for
raising
that
particular
point,
I've
got
councillor
alderson.
H
My
question
has
been
asked
and
answered:
it
was
on
the
digital
inclusion,
so
I'll
pass
on.
Okay,.
B
Thank
you
chair
also.
My
question
does
touch
on
digital
inclusion,
so
I
will
be
very
brief,
as
I
believe
some
of
it
has
been
answered
already.
It
is
about
these
barriers
to
ensure
that
everyone
in
leeds
has
equal
opportunities,
and
that
includes
our
senior
citizens
and
and
0.40
does
touch
on
how
you
will
or
how
you
suggest
it
will
be
delivered
through
a
collaboration
with
partners
and
networks.
B
I
would
hope
that
networks
include
neighborhood
networks
that
do
an
incredible
job
in
my
ward
in
particular,
and
I'm
sure
across
all
of
the
worlds
of
the
members
here
today.
I
just
want
to
ask
a
question
which
is
essentially
to
ensure
that
those
neighborhood
networks
will
be
supported
throughout
rather
than
expected
to
just
deliver
these
skills,
because
I
I
know
how
hard
they
are.
Working
and
postcorvid
their
membership
has
gone
through
the
roof
and,
I'm
sure
that's
the
same
trend
across
the
city.
A
L
Yeah,
I
I
would
just
just
second
that
that
you
know
absolutely
yeah.
I
mean
it
goes
without
saying
yes,
neighborhood
network's,
very
much
involved
in
that
work
and
also
will
continue
to
receive
the
support
from
the
100
digital
leads
team,
who
you
know,
support
all
of
the
networks
and
the
community
groups
in
any
way
that
they
can
to
deliver
digital
inclusion
across
the
city.
Yes,
absolutely.
B
Thank
you.
I
do
have
a
second
question
point
44
regarding
data
collection.
Essentially,
am
I
right
in
thinking
that
that
that
data
will
be
fed
into
the
lead
social
progress
index?
Is
that
linked.
L
Sorry
and
so
the
ids
recruiting
I'll
have
recruited
a
new
chief
data
officer
whose
remit
will
be
to
over
oversee
all
of
that.
Yes,
I
would
imagine
that
that
would
be
the
case,
I'm
not
in
the
I'm
not
in
a
position
to
be
able
to
answer
that
completely.
I'm
afraid-
and
I
can
certainly
get
back
to
you
on
that.
But
certainly
this
is
about.
How
do
we
better
manage
our
data?
How
do
we
collect
the
right
data?
L
How
do
we
analyze
it
and
interpret
that
data
and
then
help
us
make
the
right
decisions
to
be
able
to
deliver
the
right
services
to
the
right
people
at
the
right
time
and
and
deliver
those
personalized
services?
That
might
be
analysis
of
data
that
there
might
be
some
automation
in
there
that
helps
us
automate
our
services
and
deliver
services
in
a
different
way,
but
yeah.
L
Absolutely
any
data
that
we
collect
will
be
managed
and
identified
and
overseen
by
the
the
new
office
of
data
analytics
that
is
already
in
place,
but
will
expand
and
that
office
will
identify
and
and
taking
data
from
a
variety
of
different
sources
to
be
able
to
better
understand
the
city
as
a
whole.
And
and
how
that
you
know
how
we,
the
the
services
that
we
deliver
and
where
we
deliver
them.
C
Thank
you
chair.
I
had
two
questions.
If
you
come-
and
this
is
page
39
and
we've
heard
about
the
sharing
of
digital
information
through
gps
hospitals
and
social
care,
and
so
on,
and
over
the
last
year
or
two
in
particular,
now
that
there
are
huge
waiting
lists
with
the
health
service
in
various
ways,
the
private
sector
has
got
bigger
and
I
just
wanted
to
check
that.
C
L
I'm
not
sure
I'm
entirely
best
placed
to
answer
that
question.
Perhaps
what
what
I
can
say
is
that
you
know
the
idea
here
and
and
and
I
believe
the
idea
of
the
in
the
new
integrated
care
system.
The
ics
is
to
provide
that
of
have
that.
Oh
that
regional
overview
of
a
more
a
much
more
integrated
care
system
which
includes
gps.
It
includes
primary
care
secondary
tertiary
care.
It
includes
third
sector.
L
It
includes
the
council
and
the
social
care
provision
as
well,
and
I
think
we've
been
doing
a
lot
of
that
good
stuff
in
leeds
already.
So
I
think
we're
a
bit
ahead
of
the
head
of
the
curve
on
that
some
con.
Some
parts
of
the
country
are
behind
us
and
therefore
the
ics
provides
that
structure.
I
think
I
think,
we're
in
a
better,
better
place
really
because
we've
already
been
working
very
well
with
other
partners
across
the
city.
L
So
the
idea
behind
the
the
icb,
the
integrated,
integrated
care
board
for
leads
and
and
one
for
each
of
the
other
parts
of
west
yorkshire
they
feed
into
the
ics,
is
to
provide
that
much
more
integrated
care
approach
across
the
whole
health
care
system
and,
of
course,
better
use
of
data
and
technology
to
ensure
that
that
care
across,
regardless
of
where
you're
accessing
that
care
and
regardless
of
which
part
of
the
system
that
you
are
accessing,
that
that
is
seamless
so
that
you're
not
going
to
your
gp
and
telling
the
story
and
then
having
to
retell
the
story
when
you
go
to
a
specialist
and
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
L
C
Well,
it
was
just
reassurance
really
that
say,
for
instance,
somebody's
in
a
position
to
pay
privately
rather
than
queue,
and
he
goes
to
a
private
gp
and
he's
then
referred
to
a
private
consultant.
It
could
be
well,
it
will
be
a
gp
also
working
in
the
health
service.
Of
course,
I'm
just
making
sure
that
there's
no
sudden
stoppage
of
sharing,
just
because
it's
in
a
different
sector.
C
And
the
the
other
question,
if,
if
I
can
was,
I
think
this
all
sort
of
is
referred
to
on
page
39,
a
digital
academy
will
be
created,
and
I
just
wondered
exactly
what
that
was,
and
how
much
is
that
going
to
cost.
L
So
in
terms
of
cost,
I
don't
I
don't
have
those
figures,
and
but
I
don't
really
envisage
that
that
would
cost
any
more
than
than
the
staff
that
we
that
we
have
already.
This
is
an
internal.
This
is
a
lead
city,
council,
digital
academy,
whether
that
will
expand
in
the
future.
I
guess
remains
to
be
seen,
but
at
least
the
plans
at
the
moment
are
that
this
is
something
for
these
city
council
employees.
L
So
this
is
about
ensuring
that
within
the
council,
our
own
colleagues,
our
own
staff,
have
the
right
digital
skills
to
be
able
to
deliver
services
effectively
in
the
future.
So
as
we,
you
know,
as
we
transform
our
organization,
we
will
be
using
new
technology.
We
will
be
collecting
data
in
new
ways
and
we'll
be
interpreting
data
in
new
ways
and
analyzing
that
it's
important
that
we
have
the
right
skills.
We
talk
about
skilled
workforce
outside
across
the
broader
city.
We
talk
about
digital
inclusion.
L
We
also
need
to
consider
our
own
workforce
and
ensure
that
we
have
the
right
skills
as
well,
so
that
digital
academy
is
using
our
own.
Our
own
trainers,
our
own
training
people
within
ids,
to
ensure
that
we
are
delivering
a
comprehensive
training
course
and
skilling
people
with
the
right
skills
to
deliver
future
services.
A
Okay,
if
no
one
else
wants
to
come
in
I'll
use
this
opportunity
I'll
go
on
the
mic
and
then
I'll
ask
my
questions.
C
It's
it's
a
fairly
simple
one,
page
40
item
26
in
that
new
states
that
so
you
can
encourage
children
to
get
involved
in
after-school
activities.
Go
clubs,
digital
innovation.
C
It
becomes
a
little
bit
cynical
after
that
for
me,
because
it
says
you're
going
to
promote
the
breadth
of
opportunities
the
sector
offers
and
ensures
they
acquire
the
work
ready.
Digital
skills
I
mean:
is
this
recruitment
of
children
an
early
stage
into
the
it
business
it's
slightly
ingested,
but
it's
a
genuine
question.
C
L
I
think
yeah,
I
I
get
I
get
where
you
I
get
where
you're
coming
from,
but
I
think
I
think
the
point.
The
point
is
you
know
it's.
This
is
about
encourage
encouraging
people
at
a
very
young
age
that
actually
working
in
the
digital
sector.
There's
some
great
opportunities
here.
L
That's
not
it's
not
just
about
coding,
it
might
be
about
user
research,
it
might
be,
it
might
be
creativity,
it
might
be
designing
so
there's
loads
of
opportunities
here
and
let's
promote
those
opportunities
from
a
from
a
very
early
age,
and
that
might
be
something
that
sparks
their
interest
and
they
decide
to
then
do
you
know
a
gcse
in
computing
and
then
go
on
to
a
levels
and
then
do
whatever
at
university.
L
So
that's
the
idea
there
and,
of
course,
what
we're
really
keen
on
doing-
and
this
is
not
just
really
young
people
I'm
talking
about
this-
is
throughout
education,
so
including
working
with
students
at
the
universities
as
well.
You
know,
how
can
we
engage
students
in
some
of
our
innovation
work
as
well?
L
How
can
we
get
them
involved
in
some
of
the
work
that
we're
doing,
because
they
will
bring
skills
to
the
table
that
perhaps
we
don't
have,
and
they
will
bring
knowledge
that
perhaps
we
don't
have
as
well
and
and
and
bring
something
a
different
perspective
if
you
like.
So
it's
about
it's
about
engaging
promoting
the
opportunities
and
sparking
their
imagination
and
their
interest
really.
A
Right
so
a
few
questions
from
me
steven
from
the
chair.
First
of
all,
page
40,
paragraph
21,
there's
reference
as
you
and
you've
referred
to
it
as
well
in
your
verbal
presentation.
Is
it
the
city
digital
strategy?
When
will
that
be
finalized,
and
when
will
you
be
in
a
position
to
share
it
with
us?
My
second
point
relates
to
paragraphs
24,
25,
26
and
the
starting.
A
Well,
some
local
authorities
and
their
health
partners
are
beginning
a
scheme
whereby
they
are
going
to
collect
information
over
time
from
birth
through
to
whenever
which
will
help
to
inform
health
service
planning
and
to
chart
the
challenges
and
the
experience
as
people
who
have
people
as
they
they
go
through
life.
Is
there
anything
of
that
kind
intended
in
leads,
or
is
that
kind
of
be
on
your
your
pay
grade
at
the
moment?
A
My
third
question
relates
to
the
issue
of
kind
of
digital
by
default
society,
because
whatever
we
do
to
try
and
empower
and
enable
people
to
participate,
digitally
in
their
relationship
with
the
council
with
health
bodies
or
whoever,
there
will
still
be
those
people
who
will
not
want
to
do
so,
they
will
want
to
use
the
traditional
means
of
access.
How
are
we
protecting
their
rights
to
enjoy
that
continued
traditional
access,
and
my
fourth
question-
relates
to
cyber
security.
A
Obviously,
we've
talked
about
the
council
and
other
agencies
collecting
increasing
amounts
of
data
sharing
that
data.
What
assurance
can
we
give
to
the
public
at
large?
Who
may
be
listening
to
this
discussion
that
we
have
the
best
system
of
cyber
security
that's
available
to
us
to
protect
their
data.
L
Thank
you,
chair,
okay,
so,
let's
just
go
through
each
of
those.
L
If
I
can,
in
terms
of
the
in
terms
of
the
when
so
we're
in
the
final
throws
actually
of
the
of
the
strategy,
I'm
just
putting
some
extra
content
in
there
really
to
highlight
the
good
work
that
is
already
taking
place
in
leeds
and
how
we
are
building
on
that,
but
certainly
in
terms
of
the
structure
and
the
priorities
most
of
that
is
completed
now
and
also
working
on
the
design
work
due
to
holidays
and
one
thing
and
another
that
is
now
we
we
will
be
taking
that
to
emt,
which
is
executive
management
team.
L
That's
the
ccg
equivalent
of
our
clt.
We
will
also
be
taking
it
to
the
council's
corporate
leadership
team
as
well
now
because
of
holidays,
I'm
not
sure
when
it's
going
to
emt,
but
it's
not
able
to
get
into
clt
until
I
think
it's
the
13th
of
september,
don't
quote
me
exactly
on
that
day,
but
it's
it's
around
that
day.
So
I
would
like,
in
an
ideal
world,
probably
putting
myself
on
the
record
here.
L
It'd
be
great
if
we
could
launch
the
digital
strategy
as
part
of
the
leeds
digital
festival,
which
is
the
last
two
weeks
of
september,
but
certainly
I
wouldn't
want
it
to
run
much
much
further
than
that.
So
that's
the
kind
of
the
broad
time
frames
that
we're
looking
at
in
terms
of
the
starting
well
bit.
Yes,
I
mean
this
is
about
that.
L
There's
a
there's,
a
point,
I'm
just
looking
here
in
the
the
draft
strategy
about
collecting
and
analyzing
data
about
the
population
of
need
of
leads
their
needs,
their
health
and
support
the
design
and
commissioning
of
services.
And,
of
course,
this
means
that
we're
collecting
data
about
population
in
terms
of
birth
rate
and
and
all
the
rest
of
it
and
the
services
that
we
need
to
to
deliver
that
work.
L
Obviously,
a
lot
of
that
work
takes
place
already,
but
are
there
any
gaps
in
the
data
that
we
need
to
collect
and
how
can
we
support
our
young
people
to
ensure
that
they
have
the
very
best
start
in
life?
Basically,
not
if
that
answers
that
question,
for
you
not.
A
Not
quite
it
was
this
idea
of
following
people
through
life,
it's
a
it's
a
long-term
project,
but
I
know
some
local
authorities,
including
one
in
west
yorkshire,
are
actually
pursuing
that,
but
maybe
that's
a
detailed
question
that
would
have
to
be
put
to
colleagues
in
health
and
public
health.
Rather
than
expecting
you
to
be
able
to
answer
it.
L
Thank
you,
and
I
can.
I
can
speak
to
colleagues
and
get
back
to
you
on
that,
in
any
case,
digital
by
default,
abs,
absolutely
yeah,
absolutely.
But
I
think
that
what
we've
really
made
the
point
and
raised
it
quite
early
on
in
the
strategy
is
that
this
is
a
digital
first,
but
not
digital,
only
approach,
and
I
think
that
is
really
important,
really
important
case
to
make
this
isn't
just
about
shifting
everything
to
digital
and
expecting
everybody
to
to
get
with
the
program.
L
This
is
about
digital
supporting
existing
services.
Yes,
through
improving
digital
skills,
working
with
our
100
digital
leads
team,
ensuring
that
people
have
the
right
skills
and
capabilities
to
be
able
to
access
digital
services
should
they
wish
to,
but
that
there
are
also
other
more
traditional
means
of
accessing
those
services
and
they
won't
go
away
and
then,
finally,
in
terms
of
of
cyber
absolutely
everybody,
we
all
expect
that
organizations
such
as
lead
city
council,
the
nhs
protects
personal
data.
We
have
a
strong
information
governance
team
here
who
work
very
effectively.
L
As
I
said,
work
is,
is
already
ongoing
to
look
at
introducing
a
new
which
would
be
probably
a
hosted
solution
which
would
be
a
security
operation
center,
which
would
then
you
know,
offer
24
7
365
days
a
year
cover
this.
The
idea
as
well
is
that
that
would
be
a
a
cyber
center
for
the
city,
so
one
that
if
other
organizations
in
the
city
also
want
to
join
forces
on
that
means
that
we're
protected
you
know
across
the
city.
Other
organizations
can
can
tap
into
that.
L
A
A
While
gary's
making
his
his
way
to
the
top
table
just
to
say
by
way
of
background
that
the
issue
of
road
safety
is
one
that
has
occupied
this
board
for
many
years
each
year,
as
the
report
says,
we
do
receive
the
the
performance
indicators
relating
to
the
number
of
people
killed
and
seriously
injured
on
our
roads
10
years
ago,
12
years
ago,
that
was
on
a
downward
trajectory
and
targets
were
set
to
maintain
that
downward
trajectory.
A
I
think
the
other
important
point
that
I
would
make-
and
this
is
reflecting
comments
that
were
made
by
the
community
campaigners
and
the
parents,
is
that
we
should
no
longer
see
road
safety
as
an
issue
to
be
tackled
by
highways,
engineering
or
traffic
calming
or
enforcement
or
training
of
young
drivers
or
older
drivers
or
technological
changes
that
we
should
actually
view
it
as
a
public
health
challenge,
and
I
think
that
that
was
quite
an
important
kind
of
shifting
emphasis
which
they
brought
to
us
in
which
we
we
endorsed.
A
So
gary's
now
in
place,
I
don't
need
to
to
fill
out
any
more
time
gary
if
you
could
just
introduce
yourself,
particularly
for
the
benefit
of
people,
maybe
watching
online
and
then
just
briefly
take
us
through
the
responses
to
the
various
recommendations
of
the
board
inquiry
report
and
then
I'll
open
it
up
to
questions
from
from
board
members.
Okay,
cheers!
Thank
you.
M
Chair
good
morning,
I'm
gary
bartlett,
I'm
chief
officer
for
highways
and
transportation
at
the
council
as
councillor
truswell
has
outlined.
Significant
work
has
gone
into
this
scrutiny
inquiry
and
we're
we're
very
much
grateful
for
the
support
that's
been
expressed
for
the
vision,
zero
strategy.
That's
come
out
throughout
the
meetings
that
we've
been
involved
in.
As
has
been
explained,
it
is
a
very
ambitious
strategy.
M
It's
a
big
move
away
from
the
traditional
approach,
but
we
collectively
believe
that
it
is
absolutely
the
right
one
than
the
right
way
to
go
and-
and
we
should
have
this
ambition
and
it's
pleasing
to
note
that
other
highway
authorities
are
considering
this.
Some
have
actually
already
adopted
this.
This
strategy
across
the
country
and
more
will
follow
and
at
a
more
regional
local
level
is
being
considered
by
others
across
west
yorkshire
with
a
view
to
being
rolled
out
across
where
sharks
are
in
the
near
future
chair.
M
We,
we
welcomed
the
wide
ranging
recommendations
in
the
report.
I
I
wasn't
intending
to
go
through
each
one,
but
happy
to
do
so,
if
that's
helpful,
but
what
what
was
please
some
of
them
are
are
for
us,
but
there's
quite
a
few
in
there
that
are
for
a
wide
range
of
interested
parties,
partners
and
indeed
government
agencies
as
well,
which
I
think
is
right
and
proper
because,
as
you
say,
this
isn't
about
what,
if
you
like,
my
traffic
section
can
do
on
road
safety.
M
This
is
about
what
all
partners
and
parties
and
individuals
what
role
they
will
have
to
play
to
help
address
road
safety
issues.
It
is
pleasing
to
note
that
some
of
the
issues
that
contained
within
the
recommendations
have
already
moved
on
a
step
or
two,
and
I
can
give
an
example
of
that.
M
In
terms
of
the
speed
camera
criteria,
there
have
been
various
meetings
at
a
west
yorkshire
level
where
effectively
we
we
want
to
go
in
advance
of
any
changes
at
the
national
level
to
the
legislation
to
make
certainly
average
speed
cameras,
for
example,
more
likely,
particularly
potentially
on
our
ring
road
outer
ring
road
where
we
do
have
concerns
so
that
that
is
being
supported.
M
In
fact,
I
think
there's
a
that
was
agreed
or
recommended
by
the
vision,
zero
board
chaired
by
allison
lowe
a
few
weeks
ago
that
councilor
hayden
and
I
attended,
and
that
will
go
to
the
relevant
meeting
for
further
consideration
to
explore
that
and
it
has
the
support
of
the
police.
M
Very
importantly,
they're
very
enthusiastic
and
passionate
about
that
that
approach
as
well.
So
so
that's
just
one
example,
and
we
have
governance
frameworks
in
place
now
around
vision,
zero
at
that
regional
level,
which
is
taking
shape
and
and
starting
to
progress
matters
which
is
really
important.
M
There
is
a
great
deal
to
do
here.
It's
a
very
significant
challenge
and-
and
I'm
I'm
very
confident
that
we'll
be
sat
before
you
on
many
occasions
between
now
and
2040,
discussing
this
very
issue.
My
my
final
part
of
my
script
was
one
that
I
think
you
you
said
right
at
the
end
of
your
introduction
in
terms
of
just
reinforcing
this
message
that
this
is
not
just
a
matter
for
my
traffic
section
highways
and
transportation
team
to
help
resolve.
M
Clearly,
we
will
play
our
part
and
an
important
part,
but
we
are
not
the
people
who
get
in
a
car
who
use
the
public
highway
or
if
they
get
in
the
car,
that
we
do
not
press
the
right
foot
on
the
accelerator.
M
It
is
those
individuals
and
it's
trying
to
trying
to
get
everybody
to
come
together
in
a
positive
way
to
to
change
our
approach
to
actually
make
our
communities
safer
and
better
places
to
live.
So
it's
a
bit
of
a
daunting
challenge,
but
one
that
is
it's
right
and
proper
that
we
take
it
on.
So
I
could
take
talk
for
much
longer
chair
about
all
the
recommendations,
but
maybe
it's
more
appropriate
to
open
it
out
for
individual
questions.
If
that's
helpful,
counselor.
A
K
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
add
that
the
council,
they
on
lease.gov
dot
uk,
have
a
draft
consultation
on
vk
vp.
K
I
can't
say
it:
vehicular
nuisance,
public
spaces,
protection
order,
we've
been
sharing
it,
but
and
it's
to
cover
leads
basically
about
that
dangerous
and
nuisance,
driving
that
we're
all
experiencing
in
our
in
our
neighborhoods
and
wards.
So
I'd
encourage
people
to
take
part
in
that
consultation
and
to
share
it
as
much
as
they
can
in
terms
of
you
know,
upping
the
level
of
protection
across
leeds.
A
G
Thank
you,
chair
yeah,
on
average
speed
cameras,
part
of
the
connection
west,
leeds
consultations
out
at
the
moment,
talks
about
possibility
of
average
speed
cameras
along
the
dawson's
corner
to
horsham's
roundabout
section
now,
considering
you
can
be
held
up
at
rodley
around
about
two
three
four
minutes
at
the
lights
there
surely
average
speed,
then
along
that
section
will
automatically
be
reduced,
but
spot
speeds
could
still
be
in
excess
of
the
limit.
M
M
If
that's
okay
chair
one
of
the
concerns
we
have
in
that
part
of
the
world,
certainly
on
the
ring
road,
north
and
south
of
dawson's
corner
are
particularly
the
high
speeds
that
are
experienced
outside
peak
hours
and
we've
had
some
very
nasty
fatals
on
certain
sections
as
you'll
be
aware,
and
it's
trying
to
again
get
into
it
into
everybody's
mental
approach
that
on
that
section,
hopefully
that
there
will
be
a
50
mile,
an
hour,
speed
limit
that
along
a
long
section
and
that
it
will
be
governed
by
cameras
and
that
everybody
must
then
move
through
that
system
very
calmly
and
safely
at
those
speeds.
M
I
have
reasons
at
the
moment
to
go
to
newcastle
quite
a
bit
and
there
are
long
sections
of
the
a1
that
are
down
to
50
for
roadworks
and
they
are
governed
by
average
speed
cameras
and
everybody.
It
feels
a
very
calm
environment
because
everybody
is
sticking
to
that
50,
because
they'll
know
they'll
be
prosecuted.
M
We
haven't
got
that
on
certain
sections
of
our
ring
road
and
we
want
to
bring
forward
this
changing
criteria
to
allow
us
to
put
them
on
our
ring
road
at
the
earliest
opportunity
and
hopefully,
obviously
subject
to
various
approval
and
discussions
where
we
want
to
extend
it
across.
Perhaps
the
whole
ring
road
in
due
course.
M
A
A
A
perfect
example
of
that
is
the
sweeping
bend
on
the
stanningly
bypass
as
it
comes
past,
rickard
shalane,
where
there
are
two
cameras
within
a
fairly
short
distance
of
each
other
people
slow
down
for
the
first
one
and
then
put
the
foot
down,
and
it's
it's
really
to
combat
that
sort
of
that
sort
of
context,
and
I
think
we
had
an
example
when
roadworks
were
being
undertaken
on
the
m621
a
few
years
ago
of
the
use
of
average
speed
cameras
and
how,
for
once,
people
were
traveling
within
the
speed
limit.
K
I
think
it's
500
meters
at
the
moment
that's
a
minimum
to
maybe
200
meters
so
that
on
a
stretch
of
road
like
the
ring
road,
we
can
capture
those
and
hopefully
that
will
go
for
approval.
K
So
you
know
if
we
can
govern
between
roundabouts
as
it
were,
rather
than
and
between
the
congestion
and
keep
because
yeah
you're
right
about
the
the
kind
of
camera
surfing.
Don't
you,
if
you
don't
know
when
even
your
gps
warns
you
that
there's
one
coming
up,
doesn't
it
and
then
then
you
can
speed
after
it
yeah.
D
Yeah
hi,
if
I
can
just
say
our
ward,
is
small
and
molly
south
and
we
have
the
m62
the
m1
and
quite
often
the
m1
of
the
m62
is
like
a
parking
lot.
But
then
we
have
problems
when
traffic
is
trying
to
get
round
onto
the
650,
the
62,
the
653
and
they're,
just
absolutely
going
berserk.
D
You
know
we
have
asked.
We
haven't
appealed
for
cameras
again,
not
maybe
speak,
but
you
know
we
do
locally.
We
do
the
sid
things
which
you
know,
people
still
don't
take
any
notice
of,
but
I
do
think
that
if
there's
something
has
to
come
off
the
motorways,
because
that's
where
the
speed
goes,
I
mean
the
m62,
the
big
roundabout,
where
you
know
the
team
roundabout
undergoes
some
roundabout.
It's
just
unbelievable.
How
people
speed
through
it.
D
You
know-
and
I
just
don't
think
you
know,
as
I
said
with
these
when
when
they'll,
do
anything
to
get
if
they're
stuck
on
the
motorway
to
go,
use
the
site,
the
other
road.
So
you
know,
I
would
appeal
that
if
we
could
have
some
some
consultation
about
that
area
as
well.
M
No
yeah
absolutely
right.
I
knew
people
get
frustrated
having
been
caught
in
congestion
and
they
quickly
tried
to
find
alternative
routes
to
the
detriment
of
local
communities
and
irrespective
of
of
of
those
communities
and
our
speeding
through.
M
So
the
what
the
the
change
in
the
criteria
that
we're
pushing
forward
on
will
allow
open
the
door
slightly
on
on
more
the
ability
to
have
more
cameras
around
the
county,
not
just
the
city,
which
I
think
is
a
good
thing,
because
I
think
at
the
moment
very
few
sites
across
west
yorks
are
actually
meeting
the
criteria,
and
so
it's
it's
a
powerful
tool
that
is
almost
away
from
us.
We
can't
use
that
much
so,
and
we
know
that
when
it
is
when
they
are
deployed,
they
are
effective.
M
Although
there
are
disadvantages,
as
has
been
explained
in
the
discussion,
so
take
on
board
the
point.
Hopefully,
the
criteria
will
be
amended
and-
and
we
can
work
then
work
with
communities
about
where
there
are
real
issues
and
and
try
to
put
these
physical
measures
in
and
and
if
we
can't,
then
we
need
to
have
conversations,
and
this
is
part
of
what
we
discussed
in
this
scrutiny
committee
about
well.
If
we
can't
do
a
camera,
then
what
else
can
we
do
collectively?
M
Let's
just
move
away
from
what
we
can
do,
but
what
collectively
we
can
do
it
may
be
something
for
the
national
highways,
formerly
highways
england.
It
may
be
something
for
the
local
community
in
some
areas,
because
again,
I
remember
making
the
comment
in
scrutiny
meetings
about
when
we
do
speed
surveys,
but
people
complain
to
us
about
all
these
traffic.
That
is
doing
a
lot
of
speeding.
What
we
find
is
that
it's
the
regular
users
of
those
routes
locals
so
there's
something
going
on
there.
M
So
how
can
we
educate
people
as
well
to
just
if
you're
driving
through
these
routes
on
a
regular
basis,
just
take
a
bit
of
extra
care?
And
I
think
if
you
sorry
chair
yeah,
we
hopefully
you
can
sense
our
enthusiasm
for
this.
I
know
when
I
go
through
my
village,
sometimes
no,
my
I
I
confess
my
speed
might
be
a
bit
higher
than
it
should
be
just
because
I'm
very
used
to
that
route.
I
know
where
the
dangers
are
so
yeah.
M
I
have
to
educate
myself,
take
your
foot
off
it,
and-
and
we've
just
got
to
play
that
out.
So
I
think
it's
a
whole
range
well,
the
point
I'm
trying
to
get
across
is
a
whole
range
of
issues
and
approaches
we'll
have
to
take
some
will
be
sticks,
some
will
be
carrots,
some
will
be
physical
measures.
Some
will
be
education,
training
and
publicity.
It
probably
just
reflects
how
difficult
and
challenging
it
will
be
over
the
next
few
years,
but
we
need
to
do
this
because
it's
important.
A
Thanks
gary,
it's
usually
councillor
buckley,
who
comes
along
and
admits
to
breaking
the
law.
In
terms
of
it,
you
see,
it's
always
obviously
become
infectious,
but
I
think
counselor
kids
here
also,
although
she
gave
a
specific
example,
actually
highlighted
one
of
the
points
that
we
returned
to
as
members
when
we
were
discussing
these
issues
about
how
important
it
is
for
the
community-
and
maybe
members
not
just
as
ward
members
but
community
committee
are
engaged
proactively
in
pushing
out
the
vision,
zero
agenda.
I
know
that's
something
that
the
office
encounter.
A
Hayden
were
particularly
interested
in
doing.
I
don't
think
I've
got
any
more
okay
mike
and
then
paul.
C
You
mentioned
a
little
earlier
about
so
your
experience
in
newcastle
and
I
was
a
bit
interested
in
that
myself.
I
looked
at
a
few
numbers
and
if
you
look
at
those
killed
or
seriously
injured
in
newcastle
the
kind
of
averaging
around
about
100
and
510
people
per
year
now
my
understanding
is,
I
think,
at
the
report
we
had
at
the
last
meeting.
We'd
had
131
in
the
first
three
months
of
this
year,
so
we're
going
on
to
have
over
four
times
the
level
of
those
killed
and
seriously
injured
to
newcastle.
C
A
I
suspect
the
part
of
the
explanation
is
a
very
crude
comparison
is
out.
Newcastle
has
a
smaller
area,
smaller
population
and
fewer
road
miles
than
us,
but
so
I'm
not
sure
that
that
necessarily
is
always
a
useful
comparison
to
make,
because
you
need
to
compare
like
we'd
like
before,
making
sweeping
assertions.
I
think,
but.
K
Gary,
if
you'd
like
to
sorry
sorry
gary,
can
I
also
ask
when
that
data
was
taken,
because
if
that
was
locked
down
data,
the
yearly
figure
for
newcastle,
then
that
would
explain
it
being
quite
low
as
well.
And
yes,
we
are
very
concerned
about
the
level.
K
The
last
in
the
first
three
months
continue
to
be
really
concerned,
why
that
is
in
terms
of
coming
out
of
lockdown
people
getting
back
in
their
cars,
but
I
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
end
up
four
times
that
of
newcastle
by
the
end
of
this
this
year.
I
would
be
very
surprised
if
we
do
I'd
just
like
to
know
what
what,
if
that's
a
yearly
data,
what
year
was
that
taken
from
and
you're,
comparing
it
to
the
first
three
months
of
this
year,
and
so
are
you
not
comparing
like
with?
A
Gary
before
you
come
in
on
that,
is
it
possible
to
get
data
that
relates
to
the
number
of
ksi's
per
road
mile?
Is
that
the
sort
of
data
that's
collected
nationally?
Because
I
don't
want
us
to
get
into
a
discussion
about
leeds
being
four
times
the
level
of
newcastle
when
in
fact
we're
not
comparing
like
we'd
like
so,
I
think
I
think
we
need
some
indication
and
it's
not
just
road
miles.
It's
the
type
of
roads
as
well
that
we're
talking
about.
M
Yeah,
I
I
think
the
if
I
may,
I
think
the
broader
question
here
is
around:
do
we
benchmark
ourselves
against
other
authorities
and
at
a
sort
of
local
region
on
the
national
level
level
and
that
the
answer
is
yes,
the
the
there
are
colleagues
that
do
this
for
us,
but
for
also
for
west
yorkshire
authorities
as
well,
and
there
are
comprehensive
reports
that
are
done
to
try
to
identify
where
the
trends
are
and
what
the
issues
are
yeah
in
terms
of
just
comparing
newcastle
at
the
moment.
M
Again,
I'd
have
to
go
away
and
just
look
at
the
facts
and
ask
colleagues
do
that
there
are
what
as
councillor
hayden
says,
it
is
a
worrying
trend
at
the
moment
and
and
particularly
in
terms
of
the
numbers
of
fatals
on
leeds
roads.
M
That's
that
is
a
concern,
and
we've
had
some
recently
very
tragic
fatal
accident
of
fatal
collisions,
and
but
they
they
are
largely
generally
beyond
engineering
influence
is,
is
a
phrase
that
I
often
use
and
I
can't
go
into
particular
circumstances
or
individual
cases,
but
it's
usually
driver
error,
extenuating
factors
such
as
drink
drugs
stolen
vehicles,
but
we
we
and
we
work
very
closely
with
the
police
on
every
fatal
and
if
there's
something
that
needs
to
be
done
and
corrected,
then
we
will
do
it
very
very
quickly
indeed.
M
But
to
answer
the
question:
if
which
effectively
was
about
benchmarking?
Yes,
we
do
and
again
we
can
provide
becky
with
some
examples
of
what
is
done
at
her
at
that
sort
of
level.
If
that's
helpful,.
C
I'll
just
give
you
an
idea,
what's
going
and
you
weren't
far
from
the
answer
in
my
mind
when
you
talk
about
road
mileage
and
that's
because
if
you
look
at
newcastle,
they've
got
a
fantastic
metro:
public
transport
system,
less
people
on
the
roads,
we
don't.
We
have
a
city,
that's
run
by
vehicles
and
motorways,
and
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
place
to
start.
Looking,
in
my
opinion,.
A
Yeah,
I
don't,
I
don't
think
anyone
in
this
room
would,
you
know,
would
attempt
to
counter
that.
It
is
one
of
the
arguments
that
we
use,
that
you
have
to
get
you've
got
to
get
cars
off
the
road
for
a
whole
host
of
reasons,
not
the
least
of
which
is
road
safety,
and
a
mass
transit
system
is
one
way
of
doing
that.
You
know
reliable
buses.
A
B
Thank
you
chair.
I
wasn't
part
of
this
board
when
these
recommendations
were
discussed,
so
I
do
apologize.
If
I'm
touching
on
something
that
may
have
been
discussed,
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on
pedestrian
crossing
technology.
In
particular.
In
my
ward,
I
occasionally
get
people
contacting
me
regarding
the
new
upgraded
pelican
crossings.
It
seems
that
there's
some
confusion,
sometimes
as
to
you'll,
have
to
forgive
my
terminology
here,
but
the
new
style
you
press
the
button.
B
The
green
man
welcomes
you
across
the
green
man
goes
off
to
red
and
then
the
crossing
will
not
go
that
the
traffic
will
not
be
welcomed,
welcomed
until
the
sensors
sense
that
someone
has
as
crossed
now
when,
when
constituents
contact
me
that
they
are
worried,
because
they
think
that
this
time
that
they
have
is
to
cross,
so
people
are
running
over
the
roads
or
the
there's
some
apprehension
there.
Now,
when
I've
raised
it
with
officers,
they
have
been
fantastic.
They've
explained
how
how
the
new
system
works.
I've
been
able
to.
B
Then
you
know,
update
residents
and
hopefully
they'll
be
passing
that
on
all
I
must
say
I
was
educated
when,
when
the
officer
told
me
about
it-
and
one
point
I
will
raise
is
a
a
pdf
document
that
you've
sent
me.
This
particular
officer
was
actually
from
another
authority
with
an
explanation
of
the
new
upgrade
how
it
works,
and
it
was
really
helpful
and
also
he
directed
me
to
some
youtube
videos
which
was
from
another
authority.
B
B
You
know,
you
know
the
the
the
red
light
will
remain
until
you
finish
crossing,
because
I
don't
want
people
having
the
apprehension
to
cross
and
worry
that
they've
got
to
run
across
the
road
and
so
yeah.
That's
just
the
point
I
wanted
to
raise.
Thank
you.
M
I
think
that's
really
helpful
and
I
can
certainly
I
don't
think
that
additional
information
is
being
put
on
online
yet
but
or
we've
made
it
a
lead
version
of
what's
been
circulated,
but
I
can
certainly
take
that
away
and
make
sure
that
happens
so
yeah
we
get
lots
of
comments
about
pedestrian
crossings
and
the
the
new
near
side
arrangements,
as
opposed
to
the
sort
of
what
I'm
used
to
is
the
sort
of
traditional,
far
side,
green
man,
and
I
I
sometimes
yeah,
find
myself
looking.
M
But
I
know
I
should
be
looking
here,
but
it's
new
technology
and
elsewhere.
It's
proven
to
be
useful
and
dft
in
their
way
have
approved
it.
So
that's
why
it's
been
rolled
out.
So
I
suppose
the
general
point
I'd
make
here
as
well-
is
that
increasingly
particularly
in
city
center
and
in
localities.
Colleagues
in
the
urban
traffic
management
control
system,
which
actually
sits
in
this
building.
Now,
just
on
the
second
floor,
which
I'm
pleased
to
say,
we
are
increasingly
trying
to
give
more
priority
to
pedestrians
over
vehicles.
M
Now
that
does
bring
us
into
conflict
with
drivers
and
people
who
represent
them,
sometimes
because
they
want
us
to
give
priority
to
them,
but
in
certain
circumstances
more
and
more
often
we're
changing
that
priority
to
towards
pedestrians
and
cyclists.
For
again,
for
the
reasons
I
think
councillor
truswell
has
alluded
to
earlier,
so
I
think
that's
a
positive
move
in
these
communities,
so
you'll
start
to
see
that
that
gets
rolled
out.
B
Now,
thank
you
very
much.
I
certainly
am
not
disputing
the
how
long
the
welcome
remains,
because
I
I
understand
it's
aligned
to
government
policy
and
it's
just
more
educating
people
and
giving
them
the
tools.
I
certainly
welcome
the
technology
because
in
my
eyes
it's
safer.
I
just
want
people
to
know
it's
safer.
Essentially,
so
thank
you.
A
H
Now
mine
was
just
to
say
with
regards
some
of
the
the
crossings
in
my
world.
I've
had
to
have
two
of
them
at
the
time
extended
extra
30
seconds.
So
maybe
they
need
to
look
at
that
because
they
start
crossing
and
the
lights
gone.
Red
and
people
are
revving
the
engine
to
go
so
sometime,
it's
it's
just
that.
So
you
know
I'm
saying,
and
maybe
it
could
be
new
ones.
H
I
might
need
to
to
look
at
it
if
you
can't
finish
crossing
the
road,
because
where
it
these
two
one
is,
was
the
school
where
they're
going
to
school
and
even
the
the
those
people
that
the
school
bus,
the
walking
bus
and
they've
had
to
have
a
key
to
extend
it
on
a
morning
and
in
the
afternoon
and
then
for
the
elders
in
another
section
where
I've
requested
can
they
have
a
look,
and
this
extended
them
an
extra
30
second,
which
make
such
a
difference.
H
A
K
I'll
come
if
I
could
just
come
in
there,
yeah
and
especially
in
the
city
centre,
because
there's
lots
of
people
walk
and
the
whole
program
is
going
and
joel
explained.
It
didn't
either
the
whole
program
of
extending
the
amount
of
time
and
that
will
be
extended
out
to
the
whole
city
because
it
and
it's
all
part
of
nationally
the
highway
code
of
putting
pedestrians
first
of
pedestrians
coming
first
and
then
cyclists
next
and
then
vehicles.
Third,
and
in
that
priority
order.
So
yeah.
K
Unless
you're
kind
of
a
bit
of
a
sprinter.
K
But
also
what
drivers
have
to
learn
is
that
it
doesn't
matter
whether
it's
flashing,
green
or
even,
if
it's
gone
to
to
green
for
them
and
red
for
the
for
the
pedestrians.
H
I
just
forgot
to
say
that
you
know
one
once
that's
rolled
out
and
pedestrian
have
a
bit
longer
it.
You
know
you
have
to
wait
that
little
bit
longer
because
I've
tested-
and
I'm
thinking
nobody's
here
nobody's
here.
You
know
it's,
but
it's
good,
it's
good,
because
I'm
sometimes
the
elders
and
people
in
wheelchair
etc.
So
we
need
to
put
pedestrian
before
cars
and
cyclists
next
year,
because
my
son's
grandson's
riding
a
bike.
D
I
did
chair
thanks
and
councillor
hayden
just
picked
up
on
my
question
when
this
vision,
zero
came
to
scrutiny
aboard
last
time.
We
touched
on
the
highway
cord
change,
and
that
gives
pedestrians
the
right
of
way
at
junctions,
and
it's
probably
too
soon
to
have
any
data
on
it.
But
has
there
been
an
increase
in
injuries
in
relation
to
that.
M
Not
that
I'm
aware
of
I
haven't
not,
there's
been
made
known
to
me
and
I
think
if
there'd
been
certainly
a
serious
incident,
it
would
have
found
its
way
to
me
quite
quickly,
but
certainly
as
part
of
our
regular
monitoring
of
the
performance
of
our
roads.
We'll
pick
that
up
and
colleagues
will
start
to
identify
any
trends
that
appear.
But,
as
I
sit
here,
no
one's
made
me
aware
of
thankfully
any
incidents
with
that,
because
obviously
that
was
a
concern.
Wasn't
it
so?
K
I
could
yeah,
I
I
think.
Well,
the
publicity
coming
from
the
dft
has
been
very
yeah
scarce
in
terms
of
the
rule
change,
I
think,
for
a
long
time,
people
will
still
behave
as
we've
always
behaved
in
terms
of
when
you're
a
pedestrian.
K
You
you're,
very,
very
careful,
aren't
you
so
there
might
be
some
mavericks
who
say:
oh
the
the
law's
changed
now
I
can,
you
know
I'll,
just
I'll
just
go
for
it,
but
I
think
that
behavioral
change
will
take
a
a
long
time
for
both
drivers
and
and
pedestrians.
It's
like,
as
gary
mentioned,
the
lower
near
side
pedesta.
You
know
I
still
I'm
I'm
like
gary,
I'm
still
looking
up
in
the
air
above
across
the
road
and
that
will
take
yeah.
K
It
will
take
kind
of
time
for
that
behavior
change,
but
it's
a
positive
thing
in
the
right
direction.
A
Thank
you
helen
did
you
want
to
come
back
at
all,
so
I've
not
had
any
other
indications.
This
is
the
moment
again
when
I
was
usually
just
fly
up
right,
no,
okay.
Well,
I
think
we
can
bring
this
discussion
and
this
item
to
a
conclusion
and
thank
helen
and
gary
for
your
contributions
and
moving
on
to
a
gender
item.
10
the
work
schedule.
We
usually
just
note
this
unless
anyone's
got
any
issues
that
they
want
to
raise.
A
If
not
thank
you
for
your
attendance.
Thank
you
for
your
normal,
incisive
questioning,
I
think
again,
a
very
good
meeting
and
if
not
before
we
will
be
meeting
again
subject
to.
I
think
the
online
working
group
that
we
discussed
in
respect
of
affordable
housing
on
the
28th
of
september.