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A
Hey
good
morning,
everybody
and
welcome
to
today's
meeting
of
the
children
and
family
scrutiny
board.
My
name
is
counter
alan
lam,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
board,
just
to
tell
everybody
that
the
meeting
is
being
webcast
on
the
council's
website.
So
any
interesting
members
of
the
public
that
can't
attend
in
person
can
still
observe
remotely
so
so
welcome
to
the
millions
of
people
who'll
be
tuning
in
at
home.
A
As
everyone
knows,
this
is
the
the
best
scrutiny
board
in
the
city,
if
not
the
country
and
you're
all
very
welcome
to
join
us
this
morning.
So,
as
is
our
custom
I'll
ask
our
board
members
to
introduce
themselves
first
and
then
the
the
officers
once
it
comes
to
the
items
relevant
to
them.
So
if
I
can
start
to
my
left,
please.
B
I
F
Apologies
andrew
graham
representing
the
church
of
england
diocese.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
everybody
and
welcome
to
today's
meeting.
So
before
we
move
to
the
agenda,
there's
just
a
couple
of
announcements
that
I
wanted
to
make.
So
some
members
will
be
aware
and
some
won't-
that
the
director
of
children's
services,
salt
tariq,
will
be
moving
on
to
a
new
role
in
september.
He
sent
his
apologies
for
this
morning
and
unfortunately
this
will
be
the
last
meeting
he
would
have
been
attending,
so
I
did
meet
with
him
and
from
his
other
calls
the
other
day
and
insisted
and
told
him.
A
He
didn't
have
a
choice
that
he
must
come
to
our
meeting
in
september,
despite
the
fact
he'll
move
on.
So
we
can
thank
him
for
his
work
properly
and
wish
him
well
in
his
new
role.
So
he's
agreed
to
do
that,
so
he
will
be
coming
to
see
us
in
in
september,
but
just
so
everybody's
aware
of
that,
and
then
the
second
thing
I
want
to
say
is
that
many
of
you
thank
you
for
attending.
A
We
had
a
little
ceremony
just
before
this
meeting,
which
is
why
we've
started
start
a
little
late
and
it's
celia
foote's
last
meeting
this
morning
after
20
years
as
a
co-opted
member
of
the
board,
and
for
for
those
of
us
that
are
elected
still,
it's
a
privilege
to
do
this
job
and
to
serve
on
this
board.
A
I
think
andrew
creme
from
I'm,
the
seventh
chair,
you've
managed
to
see
off
celia,
oh
well,
you
haven't
seen
me
off
yet
I
I
outlasted
you
but
it's
fair
to
say
we
probably
don't
agree
on
absolutely
every
issue,
but
there's
one
or
two
things,
but
what's
without
question,
is
your
passion
and
commitment
for
children
and
young
people
for
the
teaching
profession
and
to
trying
to
do
the
best
that
you
possibly
can
to
give
a
real
powerful
voice
to
those
people
that
need
it
around
the
table
and
you've
done
that?
Incredibly.
A
Well-
and
it's
probably
disturbing
to
both
of
us
quite
how
many
things
we've
agreed
on
they've
been
on
this
board,
but
so
I
just
wanted
to
say,
as
the
current
chair
on
behalf
of
all
the
former
chairs,
that
you've
worked
with
and
all
the
members
of
the
board
thank
you
and
on
behalf
of
all
the
children,
the
teachers
that
you've
represented
they
couldn't
have
asked
for
anyone
better
to
represent
them.
A
So
you
had
a
lovely
tribute
from
the
lord
mayor
this
morning,
which
was
thoroughly
deserved,
but
before
we
start
your
final
meeting,
thank
you
for
the
cake
and
thank
you
for
everything
that
you've
done.
Yeah.
Thank
you,
okay,
so
on
with
the
on
with
the
show,
if
I
can
ask
angela
to
introduce
the
first
five
items
of
business,
please.
L
Thank
you
chair
in
relation
to
agenda
item
one.
There
are
no
appeals
against
the
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents
in
relation
to
item
two.
There
are
no
items
excluded
from
the
public
domain
under
item
three.
There
are
no
late
items
of
business
under
item
four.
Can
I
please
ask
members
to
make
any
declarations
of
interest
at
this
point,
and
I
shall
take
silence,
isn't
on.
L
Thank
you
and
in
relation
to
item
five,
we
have
apologies
from
councillor
martin,
with
councillor
brooks
attending
a
substitute
member
councillor,
hesselwood
with
councillor
carlill
attending
a
substitute
member
councillor,
renshaw
with
councillor
thompson
attending
a
substitute
member
from
councillor
senior
from
councillor
richards,
and
I've
had
notification
that
our
co-opted
member
kate
blacker
may
be
attending
a
bit
later
to
the
meeting.
Thank
you
chair.
A
Okay,
thank
you
angela,
so
item
six
is
the
minutes
of
our
last
meeting
of
the
eighth
of
june,
which
will
be
on
pages
five
and
ten
of
your
agenda
pack.
A
So,
first
of
all,
can
I
just
ask
members
present
to
approve
that
they
were
an
accurate
reflection
of
the
meeting
and,
yes,
I'm
getting
nods
and
then
are
there
any
matters
arising
from
those
minutes
that
we're
not
covering
in
the
agenda
and
again
I'll,
take
silence
as
a
note,
so
we
can
move
on
to
the
to
the
the
bones
of
the
agenda
now
so
we're
on
to
item
seven,
which
is
the
ofsted
inspection
report,
and
so,
if
I
can
ask
councillor
bennett
and
the
officers
to
to
introduce
themselves
and
then
I'll
start
with
councillor,
please.
I
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Everyone
you're,
all
very
welcome.
We've
had
some
apologies
from
councillor
jonathan
pryor,
who
I
understand
has
tested
positive
for
covid,
but
I'm
sure
being
the
diligent
member
is
he'll,
be
tuning
in
at
home.
So
we'll
send
him
our
good
wishes
from
the
board.
So
this
item
members
will
recall
that
we
consider
the
findings
of
the
ofsted
inspectors
following
the
two-day
focus
visit
to
leeds
in
july
2021
and
more
recently,
in
relation
to
the
full
inspection
of
children's
social
care
that
was
undertaken
in
late
february
and
early
march.
A
The
report
you've
been
provided
with
today
presents
an
update
on
the
outcomes
of
the
inspection
that
relate
to
the
front
door,
focused
visit
recommendations
as
well
as
setting
out
the
planned
actions
to
respond
to
the
recommendations
arising
from
the
recent
inspection.
So
we'll
take
it
as
read
that
everybody's
read
the
report,
but
I'm
sure
council
of
winner
will
want
to
make
some
introductory
remarks
and
then
we'll
ask
julie
to
take
us
through
through
the
report
and
go
into
questions
and
comments.
So
counselor.
I
Thank
you
chair.
I
wanted
first,
if
I
could
make
a
couple
of
comments
about
about
other
issues.
I
wanted
to
just
refer
to
last
night,
just
to
reassure
you.
I
do
not
mean
the
politics
of
last
night,
exciting,
though
that
was,
but
even
more
exciting
than
what
was
happening
on
the
political
stage
on
the
stage
of
city
varieties.
We
had
the
child
friendly,
leads
awards,
which
a
number
of
councillors
in
the
room
were
at,
which
were
just
incredible
that
it
was
the
10th
birthday
awards
and
it
was
such
an
inspiring
uplifting
night.
I
A
number
of
the
winners
when
they
came
on
stage
talked
about
how
proud
they
were
to
be
in
this
city
and
how
much
they
love
being
part
of
child
friendly,
leads
how
much
they
support
they
get
from
the
citizens
of
the
city,
which
included
leeds
baby
bank
and
zarek
who
support
bed
poverty.
Both
both
said
they
got
a
huge
amount
of
support
from
you
know
the
council
and
partners
on
the
city.
I
The
performers
were
amazing,
just
so
much
talent
and
it
was
just
lovely.
I
also
felt
I
needed
to
convert
it
by
way
of
explanation,
because,
although
I've
washed
my
face
multiple
times,
I've
had
a
bit
of
difficulty,
removing
all
the
glitter.
So
if
I'm
a
bit
sparkly,
that's
why
also
chai.
You
referred
to
sal
moving
into
another
role,
and
I
think
it
would
be
great
if
he
could
come
here
in
september.
I
He's
had
an
incredibly
challenging
tenure.
He
became
the
dcs
in
february
2020.
So,
if
you
think
about
what
happened
the
following
month,
it
couldn't
have
been
more
challenging
and
to
have
led
the
director
to
get
outstanding.
Out
of
that
is
incredible
and
he's
moving
into
the
strengthening
families
supporting
children,
part
of
the
children's
world,
which
is
all
our
dissemination
work
which
brings
in
literally
millions
to
the
council,
but
is
also
how
we
disseminate
our
practice.
So
we
do
support
other
councils
that
are
struggling
with
children's
services.
I
Our
previous
dcs
made
the
same
move,
but
is
now
more
or
less
full-time
in
bradford
and
so
sales
going
to
move
over
there
to
head
up
that
work.
And
finally,
I
just
wanted
to
thank
celia
hugely
for
all
your
support
over
20
years,
which
is
amazing.
I'm
really
sorry.
I
couldn't
come
to
the
ceremony
this
morning.
I
had
to
do
something
else,
but
thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you
for
bringing
cake
as
well
there's
something
wonderfully
decadent
about
having
cake
for
breakfast.
So
thank
you
for
everything.
I
So
when
we
presented
the
ofsted
report
two
meetings
ago,
I
did
say
at
that
point
that
we
could
never
be
complacent
in
children's
services,
because
outstanding
does
not
mean
perfection
and
we
know
even
with
an
outstanding
rating,
we
will
not
get
it
right
for
every
child
every
time
and
there
will
still
be
tragic,
awful
things.
I
So
julia
will
talk
through
the
detail
of
our
improvement
plan,
but
it
is
part
of
our
ongoing
learning
and
improvement
journey
and
not
being
complacent,
complacent
and
always
wanting
to
get
better
outcomes
for
children
and
families.
Thank
you,
chair.
G
So,
just
in
terms
of
the
report,
the
report
really
sets
out
the
recommendations
that
we
were
given
following
the
focused
visit
to
our
front
door,
and
it
also
sets
out
the
recommendations
of
the
most
recent
full
ilac
inspection
this
year.
G
G
As
councillor
vena
has
said,
you
know
the
areas
that
had
been
identified
were
around
assessments
was
around,
including
you
know,
key
information,
family
history
in
assessments.
It
was
also
around
supervision,
recording
managerial
decisions
and
oversight.
These
are
all
things
that
we
have
got
to
constantly
focus
on.
So
while
the
ilac
inspection
this
year
found
that
the
recommendations
of
the
focused
visit
last
year
had
been
met
in
full,
these
are
all
areas
that
we
continue
to
focus
on.
G
You
know,
and
that's
the
point
about
not
being
complacent,
recognizing
that
these
are
key
areas
for
us
and
for
the
workforce
in
relation
to
the
ilac.
The
two
recommendations
were
around
contingency
planning
in
children's
written
plans
and
also
consistent
decision
making
for
strategy
discussions
in
relation
to
contingency
planning
for
children's
written
plans.
What
the
inspectors
found
when
they
spoke
to
social
workers
is
that
all
of
the
social
workers
that
they
spoke
to
could
talk
about
the
contingency
plans,
so
they
were
contingency
plans
for
children.
G
Social
workers
were
very
clear
about
those,
but
there
could
be
improvement
in
terms
of
how
they
were
recorded
on
the
plans,
so
that
will
be
the
focus,
as
you
will
see
in
the
report,
there's
already
a
lot
of
activity
underway
in
relation
to
that.
G
That
includes
the
fact
that
a
task
and
finish
group
has
been
established
and
that's
really
to
in
particular
look
at
some
of
our
existing
plans
so
where
we
have
children
on
child
in
need
plans,
children
who
are
subject
to
child
protection
plans,
the
contingency
plans
should
be
apparent
in
those
existing
plans.
You
know
it's
the
whole,
I
suppose
focus
on
having
the
one
plan
which
includes
contingency
and
we're
reviewing
our
electronic
recording
system
again
to
support
staff
in
terms
of
highlighting
those
contingency
plans
being
able
to
record
those
easily.
G
We're
also
doing
some
work
with
our
child
protection
chairs.
So
you
know
as
an
example,
they
have
a
real
key
role
in
ensuring
the
quality
of
plans,
ensuring
that
plans
are
being
progressed
in
a
timely
and
effective
way
and
ensuring
that
contingency
plans
are
utilized.
If
that
is
necessary
in
relation
to
the
strategy
discussions
and
the
consistency
of
strategy
discussions,
as
you
will
see
in
the
report,
this
was
actually
an
area.
We
have
a
weekly
referral
review
in
leeds.
G
It
takes
place
every
monday,
it's
a
multi-agency
meeting,
so
it
includes
colleagues
from
health
colleagues
from
police
colleagues
from
children's
social
work
and
education
early
help
and
what
they
do
is
they
look
at
the
work
that
has
come
through
the
front
door
in
the
previous
week.
So
it's
a
really
key
part
of
our
quality
assurance
system
and
inspectors
and
observed
that
meeting
and
during
that
meeting
colleagues
highlighted
that
some
of
the
work
that
had
been
undertaken
around
strategy
discussions
could
have
benefited
from
more
consistency.
G
So,
what's
reassuring
about
that,
is
that
the
quality
assurance
process
that
we
have
in
place
identified
that
and
inspectors
were
able
to
see
that
in
action.
So
in
relation
to
that
there's
a
number
of
action
plans
set
out
in
the
report.
G
They
include
our
principal
social
work,
doing
some
particular
work
with
individual
team
managers
and
from
july
actually
being
based
in
our
offices
alongside
team
managers,
and
we
recognize
that
we
have
had
new
team
managers
who
have
joined
us
during
the
pandemic
and
we've
not
always
had
the
opportunity
and
to
have
that
face-to-face
contact
and
modeling
and
coaching,
and
so
that's
a
key
area.
You'll.
G
Also
note
that
we
did
develop
some
practice
guidance
in
2021
and
we're
now
reviewing
that,
and
there
will
be
a
second
set
of
practice,
guidance
which
will
be
written
and
and
again,
that's.
I
suppose,
focusing
in
particular
where
we
have
children,
young
people
who
are
already
known
to
the
service
and
who
already
have
an
existing
social
worker,
but
whereby
there
may
need
to
be
a
strategy
discussion
in
relation
to
that
child
or
young
person,
and
what
the
process
is
for
that,
as
opposed
to
where
it's
a
new
referral.
G
So
there's
a
whole
host
of
actions
set
out
in
the
paper,
and
what
I
would
say
is
the
two
key
areas
for
us
and
again,
both
of
those
areas
in
relation
to
strategy.
Discussions
in
relation
to
planning
are
at
the
core
of
our
activity,
so
that
it's
something
that
we
have
to
constantly
go
around
in
terms
of
our
workforce,
development,
supervision,
performance
management,
quality
assurance
processes
and
our
finish
there.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
julie,
right
questions
and
comments.
Please.
J
Am
I
on
sorry,
I
haven't
used
this
for
a
while.
It's
just
a
practical
query.
Actually,
just
as
you
were
talking
a
lot
about
contingency
planning,
which
I
think
is
obviously
really
important,
and
I
can
see
how
that
can
be
missed
in
actually
recording,
because
quite
often
it's
a
moving
feast,
isn't
it
as
well,
so
just
in
terms
of
implementation
of
contingency
planning,
obviously
those
contingency
plans
can
change,
can't
they.
J
So
how
are
you
going
to
ensure
that
that
is
regularly
reviewed
and
updated
to
make
sure
that
what's
actually
on
paper
reflects
what
the
contingency
plan
might
be
at
any
given
time,
because,
obviously,
care
plans
are
not
reviewed?
Well,
they
are
reviewed
regularly,
aren't
they,
but
you
know
if,
in
the
meantime,
the
contingency
plan
changes
will
there
be
a
process
to
ensure
that
that's
then
reflected
in
the
paperwork.
G
Absolutely-
and
these
are
some
of
the
issues
that
we
are
discussing
with
our
practitioners
with
team
managers
with
service
delivery
managers
because
it
is
dynamic,
it
can
be.
You
know
it's
a
moving
picture
all
of
the
time
and
that's
where
some
of
the
work
in
terms
of
our
electronic
systems
and
actually
how
we
make
those
more
helpful
to
staff
in
terms
of
some
of
that
dynamic
recording.
G
I
think
the
other
issue
is
actually
how
we
have
those
conversations
with
children
and
families,
and
so
we
are
doing
some
work
around
our
you
know
again
our
commitment
to
a
restorative
approach
and
actually
how
we,
how
we
bring
that
high
support,
but
also
that
high
challenge
to
the
work
that
we
are
involved
with
and
also,
I
suppose,
that
transparency,
clarity,
openness
and
honesty
with
families
about
those
contingency
plans.
G
So
for
me
the
recording
is
absolutely
key,
but
equally
is
the
conversation
with
the
families
and
also
how
we
record
that
conversation
and
that
mutual
understanding.
D
Thank
you,
chad.
The
report
refers
to
issues
with
stopping
numbers
of
social
workers
and
the
quality
of
of
work
with
high
case
loads.
Is
there
a
potential
problem
brewing
here
that
needs
more
attention
being
put
to
it?
Is
there
a
danger
that
a
future
report
will
significantly
be
weaker
because
of
these
staffing
problems.
G
G
So,
as
you
would
expect,
and
we
have
a
whole
host
of
an
action
plan
around
that
in
terms
of
recruitment
in
terms
of
retention
and
we've
talked
previously
about
looking
at
the
pathways
not
just
into
social
work
but
into
youth
work
into
early
help.
Looking
at
our
apprenticeships-
and
I
was
out
the
week
before
last-
talking
to
four
social
work-
assistants
who
have
recently
joined
us
from
other
sectors
and
my
immediate
conversation
with
them
was:
do
you
want
to
progress?
Are
you
interested
in
the
apprenticeship?
How
can
we
support
you
to
do
that?
G
And
all
of
them
said
that
actually
in
coming
to
lead
and
in
coming
into
the
social
work
assistant
post,
their
focus
and
their
ambition
was
to
progress
into
a
qualified
role,
and
so
it's
a
key
priority
for
us
in
terms
of
support
to
staff.
You
know
because
it
is
a
challenging
time
as
it
set
out
in
the
report.
Caseloads
were
higher
than
we
would
like,
and
so
again
that's
where
supervision
they
focus
on
well-being.
G
You
know
the
conversations
that
we're
having
at
the
moment
in
terms
of
appraisal
and
well-being,
being
an
absolute
priority
in
that
you
know,
are
all
part
of
the
action
plan
so
and
you're
right
to
raise.
That
is
a
question,
and
it's
something
that
we
are
actively
working
on
and
we'll
continue
to
do
so.
A
Thank
you,
and
just
to
reassure
you
as
well
councillor
howard,
it's
in
our
work
programme
later
in
the
year
to
to
do
a
piece
of
work
on
workforce
planning
for
social
work
and
schools.
So
it's
something
that
will
will
very
much
be
keeping
an
eye
on
as
well.
Tony,
please.
D
M
So
we
have
our
social
workers,
have
an
average
caseload
at
the
moment.
We
manage
that
and
monitor
that
on
a
on
a
regular
basis,
so
the
average
is
around
21
at
the
moment
some
social
workers.
We
monitor
that
in
terms
of
newly
qualified
social
workers,
those
social
workers
are
more
experienced
and
are
advanced
practitioners
as
well,
and
they
all
do
a
slightly
different
role.
M
We
would
still
like
it
to
be
lower
than
that,
and
I
think,
as
julie's
talked
about
just
in
terms
of
those
where
we've
got
some
gaps
in
recruitment.
That
is
absolutely
our
focus,
so
we
do
want
to
bring
those
case
loads
back
down
again,
and
it
is
all
part
of
the
same
picture.
G
So
actually,
we
still
fare
very
well
in
terms
of
our
average
caseload
and
if
you
look
at
local
authorities
surrounding
local
authorities
again,
we
fear
we
compare
very,
very
well
but,
as
ruth
said,
it's
an
area
that
we
can't
be
complacent
on
and
it
is
around
ensuring
that
you
know
all
social
workers
have
got
that
support
through
supervision.
As
I've
said
through
those
well-being
discussions.
G
Our
advanced
practitioners
are
key
to
this,
so
we
have
a
particular
role
in
leads:
that's
not
found
in
every
local
authority
whereby
we
have
advanced
practitioners
who
don't
don't
carry
a
full
caseload,
they're
experienced
workers
and
they
help
social
workers,
newly
qualified
social
workers
as
an
example
with
assessments
and
with
the
quality
of
their
work.
So
it's
an
additional
support,
for
you
know
all
of
our
social
work
staff.
K
Yeah,
thank
you
chat.
I
think
it
might
be
worth
us
looking.
K
I
don't
know
how
we
do
this,
presumably
through
the
constitution
of
the
council,
but
to
request
at
some
point
that
the
the
composition
of
our
body
includes
a
co-opted
voice
from
the
social
work
sector,
specifically
because
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
social
workers
in
the
city
have
been
quite
keen
to
watch
these
meetings
of
lit
significantly
the
one
we
had
with
the
independent
safeguarding
chair
and
I
think,
this
morning
they
need
somebody
to
speak
for
them
and
challenge
some
accusations.
Some
suggestions
have
been
made.
K
So
can
I
just
ask
ruth
terry
when
you
said
4
21
is
the
average
case
load?
Can
you
give
us
the
number
the
average
caseload
removing
the
advanced
practitioners
I.e?
What's
the
average
caseload
for
a
social
worker,
not
an
advanced
practitioner.
M
And
I
don't
have
all
those
to
hand
to
counselor
stevenson,
but
they
they
range
and
there's
a
whole
range
of
different
case
loads.
So,
for
example,
in
our
child,
health
and
disability
service
they've
got
a
different
level
of
caseload
because
the
work
there
is
much
more
complex,
there's
different
type
of
work
that
they
do.
Our
newly
qualified
social
workers
have
a
different
level
of
caseload
and
we
average
it
out
as
well
in
terms
of
fte
so
depending
on
how
many
hours
the
social
workers
work.
M
So
it
is
a
complex
picture
in
terms
of
how
the
average
caseload
has
worked
out
and
advanced
practitioners
hold,
would
usually
hold
a
lower
case
load,
but
then
co-work
the
more
complex
cases
with
our
social
workers,
complex
assessments,
so
not
necessarily
allocated
a
case
but
doing
the
complex
assessment
work
alongside
our
social
workers.
K
So
when
you
calculate
the
average
of
the
answer
you've
just
given
to
tony,
is
it
correct
that
what
you're
doing
is
you're,
including
that
figure
that
an
advanced
practitioner
might
have
say
six
cases
and
a
frontline
social
worker
might
have
say
50
cases?
And
when
you
reach
the
average,
that's
how
you
get
to
the
average
of
21.
M
The
the
advanced
practitioners
and
newly
qualified
social
workers-
it's
worked
out
on
a
percentage
of
their
time
for
allocated
work,
so
it
isn't
worked
out
that
you'd
have
a
full-time,
advanced
practitioner
with
six
cases.
It's
a
proportion
of
their
time
that
does
casework
so
a
certain
amount
of
fte.
So
there
is
a
complex
calculation
that
takes
place
to
get
the
average
case
load,
but
it
is
right
that
different
social
workers
will
have
different
case
loads
across
the
service.
G
Yeah,
that's
not
my
understanding,
counselor
stevenson
and
I
think
what
we
would
say
in
what
we
have
said
and
what
we
really
acknowledged
with
ofsted
is
that
you
know
in
some
instances
the
caseloads
for
social
workers
are
not
what
we
would
want
and,
as
I've
said,
that's
a
national
challenge.
G
It's
a
challenge,
that's
being
faced
by
every
local
authority
and
what
we
are
doing
in
those
instances
where
we
do
have
social
workers
who
do
have
a
higher
caseload
is,
as
I've
said
in
israel,
that
is
providing
all
the
support
to
them,
that
we
can
we've.
Also
our
service
delivery
managers
and
work
together.
They
meet
on
a
weekly
basis
to
look
at
where
we
do
have
to
distribute
cases
perhaps
differently
across
the
city.
G
If
that's
what
we
need
to
do
in
order
to
ensure
that
we
retain,
you
know
safe
levels
of
you
know
of
casework,
but
again
it's
you
know.
We
have
to
be
really
clear
and
very
honest
and
open,
it's
not
where
we
would
want
to
be,
but
it
is
a
national
issue
at
the
moment
and
it's
you
know
something
that
we're
really
focusing
on
and
we
have
a
huge
action
plan
around
that.
K
I
think
the
trade
unions
representing
those
social
workers
might
dispute
the
figures
around
average
cases.
But
as
a
final
question
on
this
section,
chair
julie,
can
you
and
us
confirm
that
there
is
actually
a
live
grievance?
That
you've
received
regarding
caseloads
and
part
of
that
grievance
is
that
frontline
social
workers
are
concerned
that
they
can't
ensure
the
safeguarding
of
children
in
the
city
because
of
the
high
numbers
of
caseloads
they're
receiving.
G
Council
stevenson,
we
wouldn't
comment
in
a
public
forum
such
as
this
around
any
individual
grievances.
You
know,
that's
not
what
we
would.
We
would
do.
K
Well,
forgive
me,
I'm
not
asking
you
to
comment
on
individual
grievances.
I'm
asking
you
to
confirm
whether
there
are
currently
any
live
grievances
from
the
social
care
staff
and
that's
quite
important
for
us,
as
elected
members
and
scrutiny,
board,
to
understand
and
query
what
you're
telling
us
as
the
senior
officers.
I
Actually
I'll
come
in
here
chair
if
that's
okay,
I
think
julie's
been
very
clear
that
it's
not
appropriate
in
a
public
forum
to
comment
on
confidential
hr
matters
and
we
won't
be
commenting
further.
Obviously,
chair,
we're
happy
to
brief
you
in
private
and
talk
with
you
about
how
the
scrutiny
board
might
be
informed
of
a
number
of
things
that
are
happening
in
the
directorate,
but
we're
not
going
to
comment
now
on
confidential
hr
matters.
K
Chair
can
I
request
some
some
advice
from
legal
on
that
issue.
Please,
because
we're
a
scrutiny
board
of
elected
members
and
we're
asked
where
and
cooperative
members
and
we're
sitting
here
to
try
and
understand.
What's
going
on
in
the
context
of
the
city,
I
haven't
asked
for
any
individual
hr
information.
I've
asked
a
very
simple
question
around
whether
employees
of
this
council
have
raised
concerns
with
the
with
the
leaders
here
and
if
the
leaders
aren't
prepared
to
tell
us
that
there
are
concerns
being
raised.
K
I
Sorry
that
is
really
inappropriate.
It
is
not
a
cover-up
and
I
would
just
remind
you-
we
have
just
had
our
regulator
crawling
all
over
us
for
a
very
intensive
three-week
inspection
in
which
we
were
found
to
be
an
outstanding
authority
for
children's
services.
It
is
not
a
cover-up.
I
have
said
we
will
talk
privately
to
the
chair
and
we
will
discuss
with
him
the
most
appropriate
way
to
involve
scrutiny.
But
we
are
not
in
this
meeting
going
to
comment
on
what
is
a
confidential
hr
matter.
A
A
So
it's
something
we
need
to
take
up
outside
of
the
meeting
which
I'm
happy
to
do
and
then
feedback
to
to
all
members,
but
I
think
for
the
time
being,
we'll
have
to
leave,
leave
it
there
and
then
we'll
pick
it
up
appropriately
outside
of
the
meeting,
if
everybody's
comfortable
with
that
okay,
I
did
have
one
question
in
mind
on
a
similar
vein
just
to
bri
and
then
kate
wanted
to
come
in
and
it
was
just
really
if
you
could
tell
us
what
the
obviously
told
us,
the
average
what's
the
extreme.
G
G
What
I
would
say-
and
I
think
what
I
have
said
is
that
we
know
that
this
is
an
area
of
your
priority
for
us,
we're
very,
very
clear
and
very
transparent,
as
we
were
with
ofsted
and
as
we
are
being
today,
that
it's
a
national
issue
that
it's
a
priority
for
us
and
that
we
have
a
number
of
actions
underway.
You
know
it's
the
live
conversations
and
we
have
been
very
transparent
and
open
about
that.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
kate.
Please.
J
So
I
don't
think
we
can
really
just
go
by
numbers,
and
I
think
what
I
would
expect
is
that
case
loads
would
reflect
the
experience
of
the
individual
practitioner
and
that
there
would
be
oversight
by
senior
management
to
identify
what
additional
support
might
be
needed
on
a
particular
case
and
obviously,
if
legal
involved
there's
additional
support.
That
goes
in.
So
I
don't
think
just
talking
about
numbers
is
particularly
helpful.
A
Okay,
thank
you
andrew
is
next,
please
yeah.
O
Mine
was
more
of
a
comment
than
a
question
and
just
having
read
the
report
as
a
whole,
I
just
wanted
to
say
you
know,
as
a
representative
of
the
diocese
well
done,.
B
D
Time
and
anybody
working
at
the
the
the
coal
face.
D
O
Years
will
know
that
it's
often
been
in
the
face
of
less
capacity
than
we'd
have
liked
and
less
resource
than
we
had
liked.
So
I
think
it
it
it's
a
great
achievement
and
reflects
well
on
the
work
that's
being
done.
G
A
Okay,
thank
you,
I'm
not
seeing
any
more
hands
so
if
I
can
move
to
the
to
the
recommendations,
so,
first
of
all
to
just
a
note:
progress
on
the
recommendations
from
the
front
door,
focused
inspection
and
to
approve
completion
of
the
actions
taken.
So
are
we
happy
to
to
do
that
yep
and
then
b
is
to
note
the
recommendations
from
the
further
ilacs
inspection
and
the
actions
set
out
in
relation
to
these
and
obviously
something
that
we'll
be
monitoring
going
forward
as
well.
So
we're
happy
to
do
that.
A
Okay
right!
Thank
you
very
much.
So
we
can
now
move
on
to
item
eight,
which
is
a
refresh
of
the
children
and
young
people's
plan.
So
we've
got
some
some
more
guests
coming
to
join
us.
So,
just
by
way
of
introduction
the
children,
young
people's
plan
is
the
shared
vision
for
everyone
working
with
children
and
young
people
in
leeds.
The
plan
is
now
being
refreshed
to
take
account
of
the
current
national
picture
and
evolving
local
challenges.
A
So
to
assist
with
the
discussion
paragraph.
Six
of
the
report
sets
out
a
number
of
questions
aimed
at
helping
to
shape
the
early
development
of
a
draft
plan.
So
we've
got
a
couple
new
members.
So
if
I
can
ask
chris
and
hannah
to
introduce
themselves
and
then
I'll
ask
councillor
venna
to
make
some
introductory
comments.
P
I
Yeah,
thank
you
chair,
so
the
children,
young
people's
plan,
underpins
all
our
work
in
the
directorate
and,
as
you'll
know
from
the
report.
It's
it's
due
for
a
refresh,
so
the
report's
setting
out
how
that
will
be
done.
I
mean
it
may
not
change
dramatically
from
the
plan
we've
got
now
in
that
the
three
obsessions
of
wanting
to
reduce
the
number
of
children
in
care.
I
You
know
reducing
the
number
of
children
that
aren't.
You
know
that
are
neat
and
improving
attainment,
and
achievement
in
school
is
still
really
relevant
and
also
the
outcomes
as
well
feel
like
they're
the
outcomes
we
want
for
our
children
and
families.
We
did
pick
up
the
the
outcome.
We
want
children
to
have
fun
growing
up.
Actually
nowhere
in
the
in
the
current
children's
fund
doesn't
mention
play
which
I
don't
know
how
I
don't
quite
know
how
that
got
missed
really,
but
I
think
we
will
include
something
about
the
importance
of
play.
I
That
was
really
magnified.
I
think
during
covid,
when
children
were
trapped
at
home,
particularly
if
they
didn't
have
access
to
green
space.
So
I
think
we
will
include
something
about
import
children
having
access
to
play
within
the
refreshed
plan.
When
we
presented
the
austin
report
sal-
and
I
were
both
asked-
what
we
thought
was
the
biggest
challenge
for
the
department
going
forward.
We
hadn't
planned
in
advance,
but
we
both
said
child
poverty.
I
That's
right
in
the
middle
of
the
current
plan
as
you'll
see
on
the
page
and
it's
hard
to
think
it.
It
won't
be
central
and
near
plan,
given
what
families
are
facing
at
the
moment.
However,
I've
been
saying
it
may
not
change
that
much
it
might,
because
I
don't
want
to
preempt
what
will
come
out.
The
consultation
which
is
really
important
and
hannah's
here
from
the
voice
and
influence
team
and
the
voice
of
the
child
will
be
really
central
in
this.
It's
one
of
a
really
key
element
of
our
work
and
of
child
friendlies.
I
It's
about
the
central
voice
of
children
which
came
out
really
clearly
and
the
austin
report
that
children
who
the
inspectors
met
said
they
felt
they
could
have
an
influence
and
they
mattered
and
their
voices
were
heard
hannah.
I
don't
think
you
were
here
when
when
I
spoke
on
the
last
item,
the
first
thing
I
said
was
how
wonderful
last
night
was.
It
was
an
absolutely
uplifting
inspiring
event,
so
huge
congratulations
to
your
team.
You've
just
pulled
off
a
really
fantastic
evening.
I
So
in
this
report,
you've
got
on
page
24,
the
timetable
of
the
refresh,
which
includes
the
consultation
which
hannah's
team
will
be
a
really
integral
part
of.
As
you'll
see.
It
comes
back
here
for
a
final
review
in
january
before
going
to
exec
gordon
full
council.
So
we
do
want
you
to
be
involved
and
you
will
get
to
see
you'll
get
to
do
a
final
review
before
it
becomes
the
finished
report.
I
O
Thanks
julie,
yeah:
this
is
the
first
time
that
the
discussion
around
the
refresh
has
come
into
the
public
arena.
We've
held
a
series
of
internal
discussions
with
our
leadership
team
to
agree
the
refresh
outline
the
timetable
and
based
on
those
conversations
and
the
outputs
from
this
meeting,
we'll
start
the
process
of
developing
a
draft
plan
that
we
will
use
to
consult
on
and
that
will
cover
the
period
2023
to
2028.
O
and,
as
was
mentioned
earlier,
there's
some
discussion
points
and
questions
at
point
six
in
the
covering
report
that,
hopefully,
will
start
the
conversation.
But
we
are
expecting
the
conversation
to
go
to
areas
we
haven't
yet
covered.
O
We
have
some
other
partnership
conversations
and
meetings
that
we
we
will
be
going
to
over
the
the
summer,
we'll
also
be
holding
conversations
to
make
sure
we
align
to
the
new
best
city
ambition
before
a
formal
consultation
process.
O
We
think
it's
likely
to
be
an
online
questionnaire,
which
is
what
we
did
last
time
and
we'll
be
certainly
letting
all
elected
members
partners.
Staff
know
that
when
when
that
consultation
is
is,
is
out
it'll
last
for
at
least
six
weeks
and
we're
hopeful
we'll
get
lots
of
good
responses
to
help
us
shape
the
final
plan.
O
We
will
think
of
the
best
ways
to
share
the
consultation
more
widely,
particularly
for
those
who
have
limited
or
no
access
to
to
the
internet.
One
way
we
might
consider,
for
example,
is
asking
if
schools
may
be
able
to
find
opportunities
for
young
people
to
complete
the
questionnaire
during
school
time,
but
there's
other
routes
we
we
might
want
to
think
of
as
well.
Maybe
libraries
might
be
another
option
and
in
terms
of
the
consultation
with
young
people,
I
think
probably
it's
best.
O
P
Hi
so
hopefully
I
think
angela
had
forwarded
the
two-sided
summary
of
the
wishes
yeah
and
so
just
for
those
of
you,
some
of
you
will
have
been
involved
right
from
the
site
in
2010
when
we
first
launched
the
wishes
at
the
start
of
child
friendly
these,
and
they
were
really
they're
really
aspirations.
P
When
we
think
about
the
children,
young
people,
what
would
make
our
city
more
of
a
child-friendly
city,
and
we
used
a
similar
approach
this
year
and
our
10th
anniversary
to
refresh
the
wishes
whereby
we
looked
back
over
the
last
three
years
at
data,
and
we
looked
at
three
years
because
obviously
two
years
has
been
quite
a
unique
two-year
period
and
we've
got
a
voice
and
influence
network.
So
we
used
key
consultations
surveys
and
we
now
have
elections
for
our
youth,
parliament
and
our
children's
mayor.
We're
looking
at
the
themes
coming
out
from
those
manifestos.
P
What
are
the
top
issues?
Young
people
voted
for,
and
so
city-wide
consultation
data
and
community
data
as
well,
and
then
we
use
that
to
identify
key
themes
and
a
lot
of
those
linked
back
to
the
existing
wishes
and
so
to
refresh
the
wishes.
We
then
went
out
to
all
of
our
youth
voice
groups
on
our
networks
and
invited
them
to
be
involved
in
refreshing
those
wishes
and
working
directly
in
partnership
with
children
and
young
people.
So
in
total
we
work
with
about
68
young
people,
some
of
those
from
the
youth
service
third
sector.
P
So
what
we're
really
keen
to
do,
because
you
may
think
well
how
come
we've
left
it
10
years
to
refresh
those
wishes
and
what
are
they
used
for
and
I
suppose
they
have
really
provided
that
sort
of
framework
for
child
friendly.
Similarly
to
the
un
convention,
the
rights
of
a
child,
but
what
we
want
to
do
more
is
really
align
that,
with
the
refresh
of
the
children
people's
plan,
so
we've
been
working
with
chris
and
it's
really
timely
that
we
have
it's
nearly
a
year.
P
Isn't
it
to
refresh
the
children
people's
plan
that
we
want
those
wishes
to
feed
into
the
refresh
of
the
children
people's
plan?
We
want
clear
reference
to
the
wishes.
We
want
more
of
a
reference
to
the
un
convention,
the
rights
of
a
child
and,
as
councillor
pointed
out,
we
do
have
a
leads
commitment
to
play
and
shortly
I'll
be
recruiting
to
a
strategic
play
officer
which
will
be
able
to
sort
of
support
a
lot
of
this
work
around
strategic
play.
We
want
to
incorporate
play
more
into
the
plan.
P
As
many
of
you
know,
the
top
top
issue,
which
has
got
even
more
of
a
significant
issue
through
the
pandemic
for
junior
people,
is
around
mental
health
and
that's
why
it's
the
top
of
those
wishes
and
is
a
strategic
priority
of
lots
of
different
boards
across
the
city,
but
specifically
in
the
wish
it's
the
wording
around.
P
They
want
to
know
where
to
get
informational
advice
who
to
speak
to
to
help
them
find
services
and
support,
and
it's
available
to
them
when
they
need
it.
So,
and
that's
really
a
priority
of
young
people
that
we've
been
looking
at
in
the
children.
Young
people's
plan
and,
as
chris
mentioned
celebrating
difference
diversity
tackling
discrimination.
P
How
can
we
really
incorporate
that
into
an
approach
perhaps
or
whether
it's
a
measure
within
the
children,
people's
plan
and
one
last
point
was
2023-
is
going
to
be
our
year
of
culture
and
we
don't
actually
include
culture
within
our
children,
people's
plan
and
that
did
come
out
from
children,
young
people
and
is
incorporated
within
the
wishes
there.
P
So
when
the
two
documents
are
more
merged
together
and
inform
each
other
and
feel
really
positive,
so
we've
done
lots
of
consultation,
but
we'll
be
working
with
chris
to
go
out
and
potentially
speak
some
more
targeted
groups
and
things
just
to
check
back
on
the
on
the
wishes
and
on
the
plan
with
them.
So
hope.
That's
a
helpful
summary
for
everybody.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Everyone,
and
I
can.
I
just
start
by
thanking
you
for
coming
to
us
at
such
an
early
stage
in
the
process,
because
it's
something
all
scrutiny
boards
bang
on
about
is
get
get
us
involved
early
and
I'm
really
grateful
for
you
doing
that,
and
hopefully
it
will
add
value
and
and
help
it
to
be
the
best
plan
it
can
be
so
so
it's
really
helpful
that
you're
here
at
this
stage.
A
So
if
I
can
refer
members
to
to
page
18
and
paragraph
six,
where
there's
a
number
of
questions
that
are
asked
of
us,
I
have
seen
a
number
of
hands
already
go
up.
So
we're
not
restricted
to
these
questions
by
any
means.
A
But
there
are
things
particularly
that
we
need
to
focus
on
so
I'll,
take
the
hands
that
I've
seen
and
then
we'll
we
can
work
through
if
they're
not
picked
up,
we
can,
but
if
you
kind
of
keep
them
in
your
mind
when
you're
making
your
comments
and
asking
your
questions
so
how
to
counsel
the
car
little
first
piece.
B
Thank
you,
chad,
and
luckily
I
was
focusing
on
a
couple
of
those
questions.
I
was
involved
a
couple
of
years
ago
in
a
few
bits
around
the
transport
side,
when
I
was
the
engagement
chair
at
weicher
for
transporting
leeds,
and
so
I
was
going
to
focus
a
little
bit
on
that
and
then
a
bit
wider.
So
I'd
say
that's
absolutely
still
a
priority
and
I'm
sure
young
people
are
still
raising
that.
B
As
as
an
issue
I
I
I
mean,
we've
got
the
overall
leads
transport
strategy
that
acknowledges
that
there
are
many
more
opportunities
available
to
those
in
the
city
with
the
car
at
the
present
than
there
are
those
weren't
that
happen
and
30
of
households.
Don't
have
a
car
across
the
city,
much
higher
in
some
communities
than
others,
but
for
children
and
young
people.
B
B
So
in
terms
of
that
was,
I
was
just
now.
I
know
conversations
happened
at
the
combined
authority,
which
is
obviously
the
transport
authority.
At
that
stage,
I
was
wondering
if
there
was
an
update
on
how
those
had
gone
so
that
we
could
maybe
discuss
how
that
worked
further,
because
I
think
the
views
of
children
and
young
people
are
really
important
in
that.
B
I
was
going
to
widen
that
out
to
and
when
I
looked
at
these
12
priorities,
I'll
I'll
say
I
had
a
little
tot
up
and
I
think
at
least
seven
of
them
are
made
easier
by
better
access
to
transport.
You
know
the
ones
around
culture
have
places
to
play,
hang
out
and
have
fun,
etc.
B
There
are
so
many
of
these
that
transport
could
impact
on
that.
I
think
it
therefore
should
be
a
real
priority
coming
out
of
that,
I
guess
is:
is
that
voice
part
in
everything,
because
obviously,
the
voice
of
children,
young
people,
comes
to
this
scrutiny
board
and
also
we
see
things
like
the
corporate
parenting
board
and
then
for
the
children's
champions
which
we
have
across
the
city,
but
there's
points
in
this
around
transport
that'll.
Obviously
be
held
at
a
different
scrutiny
board
than
this
one.
B
There's
the
point
about
climate
change
here,
where
everyone
takes
more
action
to
protect
the
environment
from
climate
change.
That
is
young
people
telling
all
of
us
to
do
something
different
that
maybe
they
don't
have
the
platform
to
do
in
a
more
formal
way
through,
say
the
climate
emergency
advisory
committee,
where
we
have
had
the
views
of
young
people,
but
I
just
wanted
for
thought
of
how
we
could
connect
that
up
better.
B
Obviously,
there
isn't
a
particular
point
within
each
different
scrutiny
board
where
the
views
of
children
and
young
people
come
out,
and
I
wondered
whether
that's
something
we
could
look
into,
because
I'd
very
much
welcome
when
focusing
on
any
issue
in
a
scrutiny
board,
something
that
would
give
me
the
background
to
understand
what
children
and
young
people
thought
of
that
issue
so
that
I
could
better
represent
them
in
those
discussions
and
that's
on
any
issue
across
the
city
really
because,
obviously
they
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
have
that
say
democratically
in
electing
us
as
politicians.
A
Thank
you
for
that.
Should
we
take
a
few
more
comments
around
the
table
and
then
then
I
can
invite
our
guests
to
so.
I've
got
celia
next,
please.
C
Thank
you,
yeah,
focusing
on
seven
and
eleven
and
I've
put
down
cultural
activities
as
I've
read
the
paper,
but
but
to
take
into
account
the
different
cultures
that
we
have
and
and
for
young
people
and
children
younger
children
to
experience
diverse
cultural
activities.
C
I
think
it's
important
to
to
develop
a
cohesive
city
and
citizens,
and
then
the
employment
children,
young
people
have,
whichever,
whatever
their
social
status,
tend
to
have
a
narrow
experience
of
employment
and
jobs
and
and
to
be
able
to
widen
that
experience
would
be
very
constructive
and
important
for
their
later
employment.
C
There
were
firms
and
large
companies
around
the
city
who
were
involved
in
mentoring,
young
people
and
were
supposed
to
be
an
expanding
city
as
regards
business,
attracting
national
employers
to
the
city,
and
if
that
still
goes
on,
can
it
be
expanded
if
it's
sort
of
fallen
by
the
wayside
can
it
be
revived?
I
think
it'd
be
very
useful.
C
I
think,
in
particular,
as
regards
number
eight
and
the
impact
of
poverty
as
it
as
time
as
the
time
passes,
and
I
think
that's
going
to
have
a
huge
impact
on
an
awful
lot
of
children
and
families
all
right.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
celia
councillor,
4
says
please.
E
Right,
thank
you
very
much,
so,
partly
what
I'm
going
to
say
is
sort
of
following
on
from
what
council
kyle
said
and
considering
about
the
climate
emergency
being
a
major
concern
for
young
people,
but
I
think
the
answer
to
that.
I
say
the
answer
to
that:
a
lot
of
other
things
impact
upon
that
I
mean
the
mental
health
and
well-being.
E
We
all
know
that
active
travel
and
I'm
thinking
particularly
of
the
travel
to
school
here,
is
a
major
benefit
for
both
health,
mental
and
physical
health.
Therefore,
the
transport
point
of
it
rather
perhaps
travel
might
be
a
better
way
to
describe
it.
I
think
it's
really
really
important
there.
So
I
think
that
my
feeling,
I
don't
know
how
to
say
this,
really.
E
I
think
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
really
have
sort
of
grasped
how
the
climate
emergency,
how
we
are
mitigating
and
adapting
it
is,
is
really
sort
of
central
to
to
this
I
mean
our
young
people
are
going
to
be
the
ones
who
are
going
to
be
impacted
the
most
from
the
future
in
terms
of
the
climate
emergency.
A
D
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
the
neu,
the
the
new
workers
and
young
professionals
they've,
pinpointed
that
what
they
want
to
focus
on
this
year
is
and
take
to
conference
in
emotion
is
outdoor
play,
and
I
just
thought
that
would
maybe
be.
It
may
be
good
to
get
some
connection
between
the
union,
the
neu
and
the
council,
and
that
group
and
obviously
the
motion
would
go
next
april,
and
so
it
would
impact
the
direction
of
the
union
the
following
year.
D
A
Thank
you
for
that
tony
was
next,
please.
I
thought
I
thought
you
had
your
hand
up.
A
J
Yeah,
I
agree
with
what
tony
said.
Actually
I
think
it's
really
important
to
ensure
that
we
try
and
reach
those
children,
perhaps
for
more
disadvantaged
backgrounds,
from
the
harder
to
reach
families
whose
voices
aren't
as
readily
and
easily
heard,
and
I
just
wanted
to
respond
to
what
celia
had
said
actually
about
some
of
the
private
companies.
J
So
it's
more
just
by
way
of
information
really,
but
my
husband
works
one
of
the
big
four
accountancy
firms,
which
is
a
global
company
and
actually
what
he's
been
doing,
is
working
with
other
accountancy
and
legal
and
other
firms
across
the
city
to
roll
out
a
sort
of
diversity
program,
and
actually
they
came
and
did
a
big
event
here,
with
tom
reardon
recently
going
out
to
schools
and
mentoring,
young
people
coming
through
the
system
from
disadvantaged
and
vain
backgrounds
and
communities.
J
So
there's
actually
something
going
on
in
the
city,
which
would
be
really
good.
I
think,
if
you
guys
could
link
into
because
he
has
really
enjoyed
going
out.
Some
of
the
schools
in
the
city
recently
went
to
a
school
in
chapel
town
and
talked
about
what
he
did
and
took
a
whole
group
of
colleagues
from
vayne
backgrounds,
and
the
children
were
just
really
intrigued
and
one
boy
came
up
to
me
at
the
end
and
he
was
like
that
was
like
amazing,
like
how
do
I
work
for
your
firm?
What
do
I
do?
J
That's
good
I'd
love
to
do
that.
So
I
think
if
we
can
maybe
look
at
how
we
can
link
in
because
that's
just
that
sort
of
opportunity
for
for
young
children
from
particularly
from
those
backgrounds
was
just
you
know,
it's
just
really
encouraging
and
I
think
if
we
can
roll
that
out
on
a
more
kind
of
on
a
wider
with
you
know
the
local
authority.
Linking
into
that,
I
think
it
will
be.
J
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
councillor
regan.
Please.
D
Just
expanding
on
the
the
second
wish,
where
it's
it,
it's
saying
about
less
crime
and
areas
being
safer,
and
I
think,
if
you
look
throughout
the
city,
there's
different
elements
within
the
city
of
where
what
crime
is.
What
what
feeling
safe
is
specifically
for
young
for
young
children
and
young
people.
And
I
think
we
need
to
expand
that
to
look
about
the
the
crime
and
the
the
the
actual
poverty
that
that
lends
back
to
crime
and
and
how
we
can
broaden
that.
D
That
feeling-
and
I
think,
picking
up
what
tony
said
around
the
disadvantage
in
the
unheard
children
and
young
people.
That
will
have
a
massive
impact
into
that.
That
wish.
A
Thank
you,
councillor
reagan,
councillor
stevenson.
Please.
K
Thank
you
chair.
I
just
want
to
echo
the
comments
made
by
the
rookie
of
ronaldo
about
last
night's
childhood
elite
awards,
so
well
done
to
the
team.
I
struggled
to
recognize
officers
this
morning,
they're
not
dressed
like
spare
ships
or
other
things
that
they
were
all
dressed
up
last
night
in
terms
of
the
plan
itself.
One
of
the
things
that
is
on
the
18th
23
plan
is
it.
How
will
we
know?
We've
made
a
difference
and
there's
20
gauges
on
there,
where
we
can
measure
impact.
K
Is
there
a
plan
to
to
update
that
annually
with
almost
like
a
progress
report,
because
I
think
we've
raised
it
here
before
in
the
when
we
look
at
sort
of
like
best
city
plans,
we're
looking
at
the
minute
about
what
what
we're
going
to
do
next
time,
but
we
never
really
look
back
and
say
was
the
last
one
successful
and
it's
important
that
we
do
measure
it.
So
how
will
we
know
in
the
interim
years
the
progress
it's
making
against
those
those
factors
that
you're
looking
to
assess.
A
E
I
I
think
the
the
only
comment
I
want
to
make
is
the
cost
of
different
things,
especially
with
energy
bills
going
up
and
poverty
is
a
big
thing
with
families.
Nowadays,
I
I'm
just
glad
to
see
that
with
transport,
because
I
was
involved
in
the
transport
early
before
it
was
changed
and
children
it's
nice
to
see
that
children
can
actually
get
around
the
city
without
too
much
problem,
but
I
think
to
keep
the
transports
costs
for
children
low
so
that
they
can.
E
I
I
I
think
I
do
worry,
because
even
though
the
companies
do
say
that
won't
change
the
prices,
I
think
there
probably
might-
and
they
just
say
well-
petrol
costs
more
or
diesel
costs
more
or
whatever.
So
that
would
be
a
concern
to
me,
but
another
concern
that
I
have
would
be.
Maybe
you
know,
with
education
and
stuff,
with
catch-up
we'd
cover
children,
who've
had
two
years
of
being
at
school
or
not
being
at
school
because
of
bubbles
bursting
and
different
things,
and
they
catch
up,
usually
with
cat
shops.
E
Children
do
not
enter
into
sport,
especially
in
high
schools.
They
come
out
of
sports
and
they
come
out
of
kind
of
the
fun
stuff
and
I
think
we
need
to
be
careful
and
having
you
know
the
catch
up
not
to
be
taking
children
out
of
fun
stuff,
and
that
would
be
my
comment
really
in
that.
A
Thank
you,
jackie
councillor,
howell.
D
A
Thank
you,
councillor
bithell,
please.
H
Thanks
chair,
I
will
I
have
a
few
points
around
and
I'll
be
jumping
between
questions.
Apologies
for
that.
I
really
agree
with
the
idea
of
including
play
in
it,
and
I
wonder
whether
there's
something
around
being
more
specific
as
well
and
maybe
with
like
a
bracket
situation
of
including
that
creative
and
unstructured
play,
because
so
often
children's
play
is
two
swings
and
a
slide.
H
But
having
that
those
opportunities
to
work
with,
like
the
oh,
it's
gone
out
of
my
head
where
they
get
like
loads
of
rubbish
stuff
and
recycle
it
and
make
it
into
scrap.
That's
it
yeah.
I
was
like
it's
not
trash
difficult,
so
that
sort
of
stuff.
I
think
it
would
be
really
nice
if
we
could
just
have
a
small
nod
to
that
style
of
play
as
well
in
terms
of
the
equality
and
diversity.
H
I
think
that's
really
really
important
that
it
comes
in,
certainly
for
me,
with
children
who
are
adopted
in
an
lgbt
plus
family,
there's
a
lot
of
things
for
them
to
be
othered
about
and
actually
making
sure
that
that
is
through
weave
through
everything
that
we
do
feels
really
important
to
me.
For
my
family,
but
also
obviously
for
others,
one
thing
that
I
would
love
to
see
in
it
is
the
word
nurture.
I
couldn't
find
nurture
in
it
anywhere.
H
I
just
wondered
whether
we'd
completed
any
or
how
that
would
look
in
terms
of
would
we
be
looking
to
remove
some
of
the
eight
eleven
priorities
that
they
ain't
even
done.
I
imagine
that's
not
the
case
because
they're
more
things
that
are
ongoing
but
just
wanted
to
check,
and
then
I
wondered
whether
there
was
the
potential
for
adding
a
12th
priority
and
making
perhaps
the
equality
and
diversity
stuff
as
that
and
then
doing
it
as
a
like
a
month
by
month,
focus
because,
obviously,
then
you
have
12.
thanks
chair.
A
Thank
you
just
a
couple
of
comments.
I'm
going
to
add.
There
are
a
couple
of
other
hands
that
have
popped
up,
so
just
follow
on
from
what
councillor
stevenson
and
councillor
howley
said.
Actually,
unlike
the,
I
think
it
was
a
fair
challenge
of
the
best
council
plan
to
say
when
we're
refreshing
it,
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
things
that
were
achieved.
I
would
say
it's
a
bit
different
with
the
children
young
people's
plan,
and
we
did
do
the
child-friendly
inquiry
on
this
board
in
my
head.
A
It
was
two
years
ago,
but
angel
thinks
it
was
four
which
is
which
is
frightening
and
we
did
find
significant
progress
against
the
outcomes.
The
big
missing
piece,
which
is
the
point
I'd
make
for
for
this,
a
lot
of
really
good
points
made
around
the
table,
but
the
big
thing
we
found
that
inquiry
was
the
directorate
was
doing
all
its
stuff
and
lots
of
partners
were
doing
its
things.
A
The
next
step
was
getting
the
whole
council
to
take
ownership
of
this
plan
and
getting
the
whole
city
mobilized
behind
the
plan
and
for
it
not
just
to
be
something
that's
about
children's
services
delivering,
but
actually-
and
so
that's.
What
I
want
to
reflect
on
is
hey
we're
thinking
about.
Have
we
got
the
right
things
in
but
b?
How
do
we
actually
make
the
whole
council
and
we've
talked
before
about
planning
and
development?
A
As
one
example,
we've
made
some
progress,
but
it
still
doesn't
feel
to
me
sitting
on
plans
panels
and
things
that
really
the
the
voice
of
children
is
really
being
heard
loud
and
clear
through
through
that
directorate,
for
instance-
and
there
are
many
others
that
we
could
we
could
point
to
so
that
that's
probably
the
thing
I'd
be
feeding
in
so
then
I've
got
councillor
carl
again
and
councillor
bowden.
B
Sorry
there
was
one
point
that
I
forgot
to
bring
up
in
in
my
diatribe
earlier,
which
was
that
bit
about
the
diversity
and
celebrating
that
across
the
city,
because
when
I
was
at
primary
school
in
hull,
which
wasn't
in
the
80s
the
most
diverse
city
that
you
find
in
the
uk,
we
were
doing
it
the
wrong
way.
B
Should
we
say
I
was
sent
on
a
bus
to
jews
brief
for
a
day
to
see
there
were
people
somewhere
else
that
looked
different
from
me,
which
was
interesting
and
you
did
learn
something,
but
obviously,
in
the
city
of
leeds
we've
got
a
huge
city
full
of
all
kinds
of
different
people
that
are
all
leeds
people
that
need
to
be.
We
need.
B
We
need
to
widen
that
because
there
are
many
communities
where
you
don't
see
that
full
spread
of
the
population
across
everywhere
and
also
just
looking
at
I
mean
we've
got
the
opportunity
coming
up
as
part
of
leaders
2023
to
have
something
in
children's
day
where
people
can
really
get
together
as
a
city
of
leeds,
and
I
think
I'm
right
in
saying.
B
I
can't
remember
the
figures
that
came
up
at
some
point,
but
the
the
school
population
is
more
diverse
than
the
population
of
leads
as
a
whole
and
is
only
going
to
get
more
and
more
diverse.
So
it's
an
incredibly
important
agenda
for
us
to
follow
up,
and
so
just
how
that
opportunity
can
can
be
maximized.
F
Oh
yeah,
it's
just
a
kind
of
a
comment
and
a
question
in
regards
to
both
in
regards
to
climate
change
and
transport.
So
one
of
the
I
guess,
one
of
the
one
of
the
biggest
benefits
for
climate
change
and
transport.
I
guess,
would
be
our
bus
systems
as
well
and
in
regards
to
children
getting
around
our
cities.
F
I
think
about
some
of
the
inner
city,
children.
I
worked
quite
a
lot
with
with
our
refugee
and
asylum
children
and
when
you
look
at
even
like
first
bus
and
their
passes
to
get
the
cheapest
passes
requires
you
to
have
a
mobile
phone
and
if
you've
got
a
mobile
phone,
that
also
requires
you
to
have
digital
banking
and
access
to
your
parents,
digital
banking.
And
so,
whilst
it's
great,
you
know
to
get
the
the
cheapest
passwords,
I
think,
for
a
child
in
a
week
is
nine
pound.
F
F
I
I
understand
why
the
bus
companies
do
it
and
they're
never
gonna,
do
it
for
the
rest
of
the
population,
but
I
think
I
think,
there's
a
real
argument
for
our
children
to
feel
like
they
need
to
be
able
to
access
and
be
able
to
if
you're,
in
a
city,
to
be
able
to
access
a
a
nice
green
space
like
round
hey
park,
you're
going
to
need
a
bus,
you
can't
walk
it,
and
I
do
think
it's
really
important
that
we
do
stress
the
bus
companies
that
these
children
aren't
going
to
be
able
to
have
a
mobile
with
an
app
and
be
able
to
access
the
digital
banking.
F
A
D
D
I
think
what
makes
learning
settings
meet
children's
needs
is
that
you
have
got
that
nurture
and
it's
all
about
the
people
who
work
there
and
that
consistency
and
and
and
it's
the
link
with
what
we're
going
to
look
at
in
november
on
retention
of
staff,
because
it's
really
important
that
children
have
those
consistent
staff.
They
can
build
relationships
with
that.
D
The
staff
know
them
they
can
nurture
them
and
and
see
what
they
need,
and
it
just
kind
of
makes
me
think
how
important
it
is
to
address
this
issue
around
retention
of
teaching
staff
and
of
support
staff
who
are
particularly
good
at
the
latter
spotting
what
children
need
and
spending
time
listening
and
conversing
with
them.
A
Thank
you,
helen
council
bethel.
Please.
H
Thank
you.
I
forgot
the
last
part
of
the
questions,
which
was
the
the
question
for
us
was
about
what
questions
we'd
like
to
see
on
the
online
questionnaire,
and
I
haven't
specifically
got
any
for
what
I'd
like
to
see
in
the
ones
young
people
respond
to,
but
for
adults.
H
I'd
really
like
to
see
the
question:
what's
the
most
important
thing,
looking
back,
you
wish
you'd
been
protected
from
because
actually
we
have
a
lot
of
understanding
around
that
abuse,
trauma
neglect,
but
actually
there's
other
things
that
all
of
us
as
adults
carry
that.
It
would
be
good
if
we
could
start
protecting
people
from
the
non
sort
of
statutory
type
things
and
then
also
in
terms
of
getting
out
to
employers
and
partners.
H
What
would
they
like
to
see?
I've
put
skill,
but
I
don't
know
that
I
actually
necessarily
mean
skill
but
like
attribute
wise
from
young
people,
obviously
we're
a
city
who
values
its
inclusive
growth
and
its
employment
opportunities,
so
actually
making
sure
that
we
are
including
that
from
the
base
down
feels
quite
important.
Thank
you.
E
Right,
thank
you
very
much
earlier.
I
think
it
was
a
sort
of
general
point
I
made,
but
what
I
would
like
to
really
focus
on
is
whether
anything
could
be
prioritized
about
the
journey
to
and
from
school.
You
know
young.
E
We
all
have
for
our
own
experiences
of
how
we
got
to
and
from
school,
and
it
sort
of
sets
habits
if
you
like
for
a
lifetime,
and
I
just
wonder
whether
that
could
be
a
priority
added
in
priority,
because
I
mean
I'm
sure
my
counselor
colleagues
have
had
inboxes
with
complaints
about.
E
You
know
sort
of
the
problems
of
parking
around
schools
and
inconsiderate
some
inconsiderate
parents,
but
there
are
some
schools
which
actively
reward
their
pupils
who
who
come
to
school
by
other
means,
so
we
could
share
with
practice
there,
but
I
just
wonder
whether
that
could
be
a
focus
from
which
other
things
will
come.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
there's
one
or
two
things
to
respond
to
there.
So
if
I
perhaps
suggest
that
we
start
with
chris
and
work
around
from
there
and
just
respond
to
as
much
or
as
little
as
you
want
to,
and
then
we
can
come
back
and
and
see
if
there's
any
bits
of
the
questions
that
we
haven't,
we
haven't
covered
so
chris
over
to
you.
First.
O
Thank
you
start
with.
It
was
a
question.
I
think
it
was
from
council
of
bithear
all
around
the
priorities.
I
suppose
we
never
wrote
them
with
the
intention
of
completing
them
as
such.
However,
in
the
last
10
years
of
the
plan,
some
have
remained
constant.
Some
have
come
on,
some
have
dropped
off,
so
I
think
we
would
certainly
expect
some
of
them
to
change.
If
not
just
some
of
the
language,
perhaps
some
of
them
may
may
may
go.
I
I
did
wonder
about
the
just
find
the
wording.
O
We
have
wondered
whether
that
perhaps
shouldn't
be
a
priority
as
such,
because
the
plan
as
a
whole
looks
at
larger
cohorts,
and
we
would
always
say
that
this
is
a
strategic
document
that
is
supported
by
a
number
of
more
detailed
action
plans.
So
things
like
the
send
an
inclusion
strategy,
the
3a
strategy
that
would
pick
up
in
detail
what's
going
on
with
relation
to
that.
O
So
it
might
be
that
that's
one
that
I
would
ask
whether
weather
would
remain,
but
we've
had
up
to
14
prices
in
the
past
were
not
set
on
a
particular
number,
so
I
think
we
would.
We
would
certainly
consider
other
ones
possibly
coming
in
council
stephenson
talked
about
the
20
measures
and
and
progress.
O
We
have
had
some
significant
disruption
with
kobe,
particularly
around
the
attainments
reporting
of
that,
and
really
pleased
that
we
are
back
to
examinations
and
assessments
in
schools
this
this
year,
we've
had
less
disruption
with
absence,
although
appreciate
some
schools
have
had
significant
absence,
so
we
are
hoping
that
we
will
have
a
full
set
of
data
to
be
able
to
report
on
it,
and
some
of
those
are
annual.
Some
of
the
figures
we
can
report
on
a
more
regular
basis.
O
So,
in
the
past
we
have
reported
through
to
the
children,
families,
trust
board
and
elements
of
that
reporting
has
come
to
scrutiny,
so
I'm
hoping
that
we
will
be
able
to
on
a
more
regular
basis,
provide
progress
in
terms
of
some
of
the
the
hard
numbers
that
support
plans.
Well,
so
that's
that's
something
that
we
would
like
to
see
as
well
in
terms
of
targets
that
council
hardly
raised
this
question
we
have
for
the
last
10
years,
followed
the
oba
principles
where
we've
specifically
not
set
targets
but
talked
about
turning
the
curve.
O
That
is
something
that
we
would
hope
to
continue.
However,
I
appreciate
some
people
are
more
keen
on
targets
than
others,
and
I
know
that's
been
an
issue
that
we
have
come
back
to
in
the
past,
so
that
might
be
a
topic
that
we
we
need
to
discuss
again,
so
that
that's
certainly
one
that
I
pick
up
and
and
take
forward.
I
suppose
just
a
final
one
for
me
before
I
pass
over
to
hannah,
there's
been
a
bit
of
talk
about
some
of
the
the
language
and
the
terminology
that
we
use
in
the
plan.
O
I
think
we
we
accept
that.
However
much
or
little
we
change
the
plan,
I
think
there's
some
work
to
do
around
the
language,
making
it
a
bit
more
consistent
anyway.
Looking
at
some
of
the
words
we've
talked
about
how
healthy
lifestyles
to
healthy
lives
as
one,
so
I
think
we'd
expect,
at
the
very
least,
to
look
at
some
of
the
language
just
to
make
sure
it
reflects
the
current
picture.
O
I
think
we
again
we
have
to
accept
some
of
the
terminology
is
10
years
old,
so
we
probably
need
a
good
look
at
the
language,
as
well
as
the
fundamental
content
of
some
of
those
priorities,
and
I
think
for
now,
if
I
pass
over
to
hannah
and
maybe
come
back,
if
there's
any
further
questions.
Thank
you.
P
Thank
you.
So
I
think
that
was
17
questions,
but
I
can
see
that
one
of
the
top
topics
was
around
transport
and
I
really
welcome
your
sort
of
observation
really
because
that's
something
quite
specific,
we
can
go
back
to
providers
with.
So
we
did.
The
work
of
the
voice
and
influence
team
sort
of
the
central
team
is
shaped
by
what
the
top
issue
young
people
vote.
For.
So
I
think
it
was
probably
three
years
ago
transport
was
the
top
issue
voted
for
in
the
in
the
make
you
mark
ballot.
P
So
we
did
lots
and
lots
of
work
with
the
with
the
bus
providers,
and
so
I'll
have
to
speak
to
my
colleague,
john
bradshaw,
to
get
a
bit
of
an
update
about
where
we
are.
P
But
from
my
I
know
that
we
had
done
work
which
had
meant
that
the
costs
hadn't
increased
but
as
as
a
colleague
on
the
table
said
we
do
want
to
ensure
we
don't
want
to
lose
that
do
we
and
because
they
did
say
in
the
press
that
they
didn't
increase
the
prices
because
they
knew
because
of
the
feedback
of
young
people.
So,
but
I'm
very
happy
and
would
welcome
and
can
support
a
conversation
with
them
about
the
issue
that
you
raised.
P
B
F
Yeah,
I
forgot
to
add
the
actual
kind
of
context
to
it,
so
it's
nine
pounds
so
just
to
just
about
the
cost
breakdown
it's
nine
pound
if
you've
got
the
app
for
the
retired
for
the
weekly.
However,
if
you
don't
have
the
access
to
the
app
it's
17,
it
will
work
out,
17,
pound
50.
and
so
to
me,
that
is,
that
is
basically
a
punishment
for
poverty.
I'm
sorry!
Your
parents
don't
have
unable
to
enough
to
provide
you
with
the
phone.
F
I'm
sorry,
therefore,
you
can't
have
digital
access
to
your
parents,
online
bank
and
therefore
you're
going
to
get
charged
double
to
use
a
bus.
That's
my
major
concern
with
that
and
they
might
be
able
to
say
well.
Our
prices
have
kept
normal
and
the
bus
companies
do
this
because
they
they
cannot
then
also
do
the
concessions
with
those
who
are
slightly
elderly
as
well.
It
goes
oh,
we
can
do
it
if
you
can
use
the
app
well.
F
Young
people
can't
use
the
app,
and
sometimes
some
elderly
people
don't
want
to
use
the
app
and
so
for
me,
it's
just
an
it's
just
an
issue
with
with
the
bus
companies.
In
general,
with
how
they're
saying
prices
are
the
same
they're
not
the
same,
it's
just
that
they've
moved
things
to
the
app
and
they
know
most
people
can't
use
them.
Yeah.
A
So
I
I
just
wonder
if,
because
it
seems
a
no-brainer
to
me,
we
we
could
write
as
a
board
to
it's
a
quick
win.
We
don't
need
to
wait
for
a
new
children
and
young
people's
plan
to
deal
with
that
issue.
So
so
I
think
it's
a
really
good
point
and
angela,
if
we
can
write
on
behalf
of
the
board
and
see
if
they'll
do
something
right
away
on
that
one.
P
And
we're
back
on
yes,
so
and
then
the
second
questions
were
about.
P
In
terms
of
how
do
we
ensure
we're
hearing
the
wider
views
of
children
and
people,
and
and
that's
as
part
of
our
approach,
we
have
a
youth
voice
model
in
the
city,
whereby
we
have
links
and
engage
with
lots
of
different
youth
workers
and
different
colleagues
who
run
youth
services
or
youth
groups,
which
are
either
issue
based
community
based
faith
based
and
but
I
think
someone
here
was
talking
about
the
fact
that,
but
what
happened?
If
you
don't
go
to
one
of
those
groups,
how
do
we
hear
those
views?
P
So
when
we
were
developing
the
wishes,
when
you
total
up
the
number
of
children
and
young
people
involved,
and
there
could
potentially
be
some
duplication
because
over
three
year
period
it
was
just
over
80
000
children,
people
and
those
large
figures
are
from.
We
do
something
called
the
my
health,
my
school
survey,
so
they
are
children,
people
in
school,
but
a
lot
of
those
aren't
involved
in
any
youth
provision,
so
they're
sharing
their
views
and
their
experiences.
So
that
does
capture
lost
those
views.
P
But
so,
but
if
anyone
wants
any
further
information
about
the
consultations,
we
use
to
develop
the
wishes
and
things
we
can
get
that
for
you
and
counselor
reagan
mentioned
about
the
different
issues
in
the
different
areas,
and
it
was
really
interesting
developing
that
wish
and
because
some
young
people
use
the
term
anti-social
behavior,
but
when
we
did
the
deeper
consultation,
what
does
that
mean?
And
so
they
wanted
to
take
that
out.
P
So
it
was
more
listing
around
sort
of
crime,
vandalism
and
but
there's
a
detailed
in
the
youth
work
review
that
was
done
in
the
different
areas.
Specifically,
what
were
the
issues?
So
that's
a
really
valuable
report
that
I
think
can
be
shared.
If,
if
you
wanted
to
see
those
specific
areas
councillor
stevenson
talked
about,
is
there
a
plan
to
provide
an
update
annually
and
that's
something
I
really
see?
And
now
I
manage
the
child
for
the
needs,
team
and
voice
and
influence
team.
P
When
we
talk
about
the
wishes,
these
are
really
clear
and
easy
to
understand
for
children
and
families
and
for
the
whole
city
really-
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
we
want
to
work
towards
is
giving
an
update
in
really
child
friendly.
Therefore,
family
friendly
speak
about
how
we
progress,
how
we're
working
towards
some
of
these
wishes.
What
things
have
we
achieved?
What
do
we?
What
have
we
got
in
place?
P
So
that's
something
I'll
be
looking
to
produce
on
behalf
of
the
team
in
partnership,
and
we
can
share
that
with
you
and
bring
that
back
to
you
transport
transport.
P
If
there's
anything
else
and
counselor
lam,
you
mentioned
that
one
of
the
things
we
really
need
to
do
is
get
the
whole
city
and
different
directorates
working
towards
the
plan,
so
that
really
is,
in
the
next
stage
of
sort
of
strategic
planning
for
child
friendly
to
be
working
much
more
across
different
directorates,
and
I
hope
that
the
strategic
play
officer
will
play
quite
a
key
role
in
that.
In
terms
of
I
know,
you've
talked
about
it
in
the
scrutiny
inquiry.
P
Is
these
child
friendly
city
about
specifically
around
planning
and
putting
that
lens
of
the
child
and
play
around
planning
so
sort
of
watch
this
space
on
that?
So
we'll
have
a
bit
more
dedicated
support
to
to,
hopefully
make
that
happen.
P
N
I
do
thank
you
very
much
council
lam
and
I
think
it's
building
on
the
point
of
play
and
the
importance
of
that,
and
we
discussed
that
at
one
of
our
leadership.
Team
meetings
regarding
fun
or
the
fun
really
features
heavily.
And
how
can
we
get
back
to
that
idea
or
notion
of
having
fun
through
play
and
how
therapeutic
that
is
as
an
activity
itself
and
really,
then
it
hits
all
the
other
priorities
around
social,
emotional,
mental,
health
and
well-being.
N
How
can
we
allow
our
children
to
feel
and
to
be
at
the
point
that
they
don't
need
to
feel
the
need
to
grab
a
gadget,
but
they
can
feel
fine
in
their
own
space
in
their
own
mind
and
there's
a
direct
correlation.
Then
research
shows
us
between
not
having
that
structured
play
having
time
on
their
own
and
having
their
feel
the
need
to
always
be
doing
and
being
busy,
and
that
actually
does
impact
our
mental
health
and
well-being.
So
for
us
we
had
that
conversation.
N
How
can
we
increase
the
engagement
with
fun
and
how
can
we
do
that
through
play?
I
think
that's
quite
significant
for
us
to
really
consider
within
that
and
the
comments
around
edi
and
and
thinking
about
representation
within
our
school
settings,
our
community
center
population
and
also
does
that
feature
explicitly
on
the
planet.
I
think
that
was
another
conversation
we
had
around
it.
N
It's
a
behavior
underpins
everything,
but
do
we
need
to
be
explicit
and
by
doing
that,
what
we're
sending
is
a
message
to
everybody
involved
and,
as
councilmembers
pointed
out,
this
is
a
cross-sector,
a
piece
of
work
to
galvanize
support
in
the
city,
local
and
regional
national
that
actually
we
are
committed
to,
but
we're
committed
to
move
from
what
we
would
say
is
commitment
to
what
is
reality.
So
what
is
actionable
and
to
do
that?
N
I
think
we
need
to
consider
that
as
part
and
parcel
of
that
and
within
that,
as
well
as
we're
saying
actually
it's
fun
to
be,
who
you
are
so
really
coming
back
full
circle
into
that
and
welcoming
everybody
for
themselves
and
how
unique
they
are
as
well.
So,
there's
just
a
couple
of
points
there
and
in
terms
of
mentoring,
young
people,
we
we
have
some
support
with
our
employment
and
skills
part
of
the
council
who
really
do
work
on
those
pathways.
N
I'm
thinking
about
the
mentoring
opportunities
out
there.
So
it's
really.
It
was
really
kids
listen
to
to
visits
to
schools
and
there
is
a
connect
there.
I
think
that
we
can
really
work
on
what
are
the
transition
periods
and,
as
chris
has
pointed
out,
rightly,
we
have
other
plans
that
sit
underneath
this.
So
the
3a
strategy
in
ascending
inclusion
works
on
breaking
down
the
main
priorities
and
obsessions
into
a
really
clear
work
stream
that
we
can
directly
show
some
impact.
So
for
us,
one
of
the
biggest
areas
that
we
may
feed
into
the
children.
N
Young
people's
plan
is
reading
as
an
obsession,
because
we
are
obsessing
on
that
as
part
of
the
three
days,
and
that
is
your
way
out
of
poverty,
and
the
research
shows
that
actually,
it
is
not
one,
but
it's
the
determiner
of
a
child's
future
success.
So
the
question
to
us
is:
are
we
obsessing
about
that
as
a
route
out
of
and
all
the
regulatory
bodies
that
we
have
department
of
education
and
ofsted?
N
All
of
their
research
has
gone
on
for
about
10
years
now
is
around
early
reading
and
again
direct
correlation
between
that
and
a
child's
self-belief
self-esteem
social
emotional
mental
health
is
do
they
feel
they
can
access
a
curriculum,
but
can
they
access
confidently
the
curriculum
that's
on
offer,
and
can
they
then
access
that
later
in
life?
N
So
there's
a
real,
clear
line
of
sight
for
us
that
we
need
to
sort
of
hold
in
within
this,
and
what
does
that
look
like,
and
I
think
that
that
would
give
us
some
impetus
to
move
to
supporting
that
that
whole
agenda
really
as
well.
So
just
a
couple
of
observations
there
and
there's
lots
of
questions,
so
I'm
sorry
would
miss
anything
out.
You
know
I'm
sure
colleagues
will
pick
up
some
other
aspects.
Thank
you.
M
Yeah
thank
you
chair,
so
I
just
wanted
to
pick
up
on
the
whole
council
plan
and
the
whole
council
being
part
of
this
plan
and
taking
responsibility
for
it.
We've
had
certainly
some
significant
support
over
the
last
12
months
from
our
colleagues
in
other
departments
to
really
enable
us
to
meet
the
needs
of
children
and
families.
So
I
think
to
have
that
within
this
plan
would
be
really
significant,
and
I
would
certainly
welcome
that
council
also
and
just
the
transport
issue.
I
wanted
to
pick
up
on
just
to
say
completely
agree
with.
M
You
know
what
people
have
been
saying
in
terms
of
the
importance
of
transport,
particularly
for
our
children
looked
after,
and
what
that
means
for
them
being
able
to
kind
of
get
around
the
city
being
able
to
get
to
school,
really
is
a
huge
part
of
being
able
to
kind
of
live
their
lives
and
also
just
wanted
to
pick
up
on
the
equality
and
diversity
and
that
being
a
golden
thread
throughout
and
again
significant
pieces
of
work
being
done
in
children's
social
work,
but
also
in
adults
and
health
in
terms
of
social
work
and
our
workforce.
M
Race
equality
standards
just
around
kind
of
our
workforce,
but
really
important
to
have
it
as
a
golden
thread
throughout
this
plan
really
significant
to
just
three
points.
G
We'll
keep
going,
hopefully
we'll
get
through
the
list
by
the
end.
So
for
me
I
think
it
was
a
really
interesting
point
about
other
scrutiny.
Boards
and-
and
I
know
when
I
speak
to
hannah-
and
you
know
hannah
reminds
me
at
times
that
actually
we
already
have
a
wealth
of
information
and
feedback
from
children
and
young
people.
Sometimes
they
can
get
a
little
bit
frustrated.
Actually,
when
they've
already
shared
their
views,
you
know
they've
told
us
what
would
make
a
difference
for
them.
G
So
I
suppose
for
me,
there's
perhaps
something
about
actually.
How
are
we
sharing
the
feedback
that
we've
got
already,
perhaps
with
other
scrutiny
boards,
and
you
know,
is
there
something
about
having
having
shared
that
information,
how
other
scrutiny
chairs
perhaps
weave
that
into
their
work?
So
I
think
that's
something
that
we
could
possibly
look
at.
G
As
ruth
has
said,
we've
had
and
shaheen
we've
had
really
good
live
conversations
around
equality,
diversity,
inclusion
and
how
we
weave
that
in
some
of
the
conversations
we
had
was
really
should
that
not
feature
really
lively
in
terms
of
the
vision,
because,
actually
you
know
if
our
vision
is
about
a
child-friendly
city,
surely
at
the
center
of
that
has
got
to
be
equality,
diversity
and
inclusion,
and
so
that's
some
of
the
reflections
we
had
again
thinking
about
employment,
training
opportunities
for
children,
young
people,
you
know
last
night.
G
I
think
the
child
friendlies
awards
was
a
fantastic
example
of
networking,
and
so
I
certainly
had
a
little
pocket
of
business
cards.
In
my
when
I
went
home,
you
know
and
that's
something
that
shaheen
and
I
will
be
following
up
with
others
this
week.
You
know
so
I
think
we're
doing
well
on
that.
We've
got
our
child
friend
of
these
ambassadors.
You
know
who
bring
in
a
whole
range
of
rich
opportunities
for
children
and
families
that
otherwise
we
would
not
have,
but
we
can
do
more.
G
We
can
do
better,
and
so
that's
got
to
be
a
priority.
Thinking
about
the
point
around
I
suppose
play,
but
also
thinking
about
children
feeling
safe.
G
G
But
if
they
don't
feel
safe
within
their
communities,
then
it's
a
non-starter
so
for
me,
there's
something
about
linking
those
two
together.
I
think,
in
terms
of
speaking
to
listening
to
and
acting
on
the
voice
of
children
across
the
city,
and
there
is
a
diverse
range
of
feedback.
You
know
and
hannah's
talked
about
some
of
those,
but
I
suppose
I
just
wanted
to
perhaps
highlight
the
fact
that
we
do
have
children
looked
after.
We
do
have
care
leavers,
we
do
have
children
who
are
involved
in
our
youth
justice
service.
G
So
there
are
many
children
across
the
city
who
you
know
facing
disadvantaged
or
in
marginalized
groups
who
do
really
contribute
actively
to
the
plan.
I
think
the
biggest
one
of
the
biggest
things
for
me
is
the
you
said
we
did
and
I
suppose
it
goes
back
to
my
original
point.
You
know
we
know
we
know
you
know
some
of
the
feedback
that
we've
already
have,
that
we
have
on
a
daily
basis
from
children
and
families.
G
G
I
think
the
point
about
nurture,
I
think,
is
really
key
as
well,
and
I
think
for
me
that
really
links
with,
as
others
have
said,
with
well-being,
but
it
also
really
links
with
us
being
a
compassionate
city.
You
know-
and
I
think
that's
where
that
kindness
and
that
empathy
is
absolutely
key,
and
I
think
that
also
links
with
our
restorative
practice
approach
you
know.
G
So
I
think
I
think
that's
a
really
really
important
comment
and
I've
perhaps
just
finished
just
in
relation
to
the
cross
council
working
and
cross
council
approach-
and
you
know,
child
friendly,
leads
being
a
whole
city
approach.
We've
seen
fantastic
developments
throughout
the
pandemic
in
terms
of
really
harnessing
and
the
support
that
is
available
from
other
directorates
and
also
from
the
from
from
partners.
G
So
I
think
the
refresh
of
this
plan
is
a
real
opportunity
to
revisit
some
of
those
conversations
explicitly
and
you
know,
agree
some
really
clear
points
of
action
and
I'll
finish.
There.
I
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you
all
for
all
your
contributions.
I
I'll
start
with
the
reference
to
diversity
and
inclusion
and
ensuring
that
the
plan
is
relevant
to
all
children,
because
councillor
carnell's
right,
the
population
of
leads
will
become
more
diverse
because
the
primary
school
you
can
see
that
in
the
primary
school
population
data
I've
referred
a
number
of
times
to
the
fact
that
gibson
and
hare
hills
is
the
most
deprived
ward
of
the
city
with
the
most
children.
It's
also
one
of
the
most
diverse
walls
of
the
city,
so
it
is
really
important.
I
The
plan
is
relevant
to
all
children
across
the
city
and
the
climate
emergency
was
mentioned
a
few
times,
and
we
know
that
climate
anxiety
is
is
a
real
issue
for
children,
but
also
research
indicates
that
children
that
are
climate
activists
suffer
less,
which
sounds
counterintuitive,
because
you
think
that
wasn't
the
case
when
you're
engaging
with
the
material,
but
the
anxiety
is
often
about
feeling
powerless
and,
if
you're
doing
something
you
feel
like
you've
got
agencies,
so
I
think,
given
it
is
so
important
to
children
and
all
of
us,
but
it's
something
children
are
really
passionate
about.
I
That.
Does
need
to
be
included
in
a
bigger
way
than
it
has
been
in
previous
situations
of
the
plan.
I
think
the
point
about
reaching
all
children,
so
we
get
their
voices
into
the
plan,
is
really
crucial
and
hannah's
outlined
how
her
team
do
reach
into
communities
to
work
with
a
diverse
range
of
children.
Just
to
give
you
another
example,
I'm
doing
quite
a
lot
of
work
across
my
adults
and
children's
portfolio
at
the
moment
with
the
gypsy
and
traveler
community.
I
I'm
doing
a
piece
of
work.
I'm
really
excited
about
with
the
lord
mayor
and
hannah's
team
and
gate,
gypsy
and
travel
exchange
to
bring
a
group
of
gypsy
and
travel
children
into
civic
hall,
we're
doing
like
the
equivalent
of
a
of
a
community
committee
youth
summit
for
some
children
from
the
gypsy
traveler
community,
because
that's
not
an
opportunity.
They
would
get
in
the
way
that
children
do
who
come
in
from
some
of
our
schools
to
the
the
submits
so
they're
going
to
get
to
meet
the
lord
mayor.
I
We're
going
to
do
a
whole
session
on
democracy,
and
that
feels
like
a
really,
I
think,
that'll
be
that'll,
be
a
start
of
a
piece
of
work
with
that
community,
in
particular
to
engage
children
from
the
gypsy
and
traffic
community
in
the
in
the
plan,
but
also
in
democracy
within
the
city.
I
I'm
really
passionate
about
the
keeping
in
the
children
having
fun.
I've
really
championed
it
in
a
number
of
the
meetings
that
I'm
involved
with
and
that
I
chair,
particularly
in
the
context
of
the
gravity
of
the
last
few
years,
of
how
serious
and
intense
it's
been
for
children
and
really
wanting
to
protect
their
right
to
have
fun.
I
It
wasn't
going
to
be
a
work
stream
of
the
corporate
parenting
strategy
and
I
kind
of
had
it
put
in
because
it
felt
like
it's.
It's
really
important.
We
will
include
play
in
a
bigger
way
in
the
in
this
situation
of
the
plan.
I
really
like
the
word
nurture
as
well.
I
will
also
end
with
your
point
chair
about
about
the
whole
council
needing
to
be
involved
in
the
plan.
As
julie
said,
child
friendly
leads
is,
is
about
the
whole
city.
I
Being
responsible
for
children
being
responsible
for
the
city
being
a
great
place
for
children
and
families,
it
was
launched
10
years
ago.
So,
as
you
know,
it's
the
10th
birthday,
but
it
was
launched
at
the
point
where
inadequate
and
it
was
a
recognition
that
we
could
only
improve
children's
services
if
the
whole
city
was
engaged.
We
couldn't
do
it
on
our
own.
As
a
council,
we
needed
those
partnerships
and
last
night
was
such
a
visual
representation
of
the
whole
city
being
engaged.
I
You
know
there
were
loads
of
children
and
people
at
the
event,
but
there
were
also
people
from
you
know:
schools
and
colleges,
and
private
sector
and
charities,
and
just
it
it
was
really
it
felt
like
the
city
coming
together,
and
I
think
your
challenge
is
really
is
really
right,
chair
and
really
appropriate
with
corporate
parenting.
I
It's
been
been
one
of
the
things
we've
sort
of
driven
in
the
last
year
is
recognizing
that
it's
not
it's.
Not
only
the
children's
services
department,
it's
the
corporate
parents,
it's
the
whole
council,
so
some
of
the
work
that
we've
done
is
included.
We've
got
a
really
good
partnership
of
working
between
children's
services
and
housing-
that's
like
massively
improved
over
the
last
year,
and
that
was
about
sort
of
working
with
housing
for
them
to
recognize
that
care
leaves
their
housing
of
their
children.
I
You
know,
and
so
we've
got
like
really
direct
links
now,
where
we've
got
particularly
looks
after
children
and
foster
families
and
looked
after
care
leavers
in
housing
need
we've
got
some
really
direct
routes
to
be
able
to
make
sure
they're
appropriately
housed
when
they're
having
difficulties.
So
I
think
that's
a
really
good
challenge
about
the
whole
council
being
responsible
for
children
it
it
was
mentioned
in
in
the
ofsted
report.
I
Actually
they
specifically
said
one
of
the
lines
was
children
of
the
top
priority
for
the
council,
and
I
I
felt
really
pleased
that
to
external
people
coming
in
that
have
been
really
obvious
from
talking
not
only
to
us,
but
also
a
range
of
partners
and
children
young
people
themselves.
So
we
will
definitely
take
that
whole
council
involvement
forward.
Thank
you
very
much.
H
Thank
you.
I
thought
when
I
said
about
being
nurtured.
That
was
a
really
important
point
and
I
stand
by
that.
But
having
had
it
then
reflected
back
in
your
responses.
Actually,
I
think
I
think
maybe
it
even
needs
to
go
further,
because
what
I'd
actually
like
is
for
every
child
to
feel
loved,
whether
that's
by
their
family,
by
staff
at
school,
whether
it's
by
carers.
Actually,
that
feels
like
it
needs
to
even
be
stronger
than
nurtured,
nurtures
kind
of
a
corporate
word,
and
actually
it's
the
love
that
they
need
to
feel.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
jackie.
Please.
E
E
Are
you
influenced
by
all
the
likes
followers
influencers,
and
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
thing
to
see
where
children
are
especially
in
you
know
in
is
a
number
two
in
regard
to
their
mental
health,
because
these
things
aren't
real
and
I
think
a
lot
of
children
think
they
are
and
a
lot
of
children
are
on
social
media
very,
very
young.
Now
children
have
phones
from
the
age
of
10,
11
and
maybe
younger.
E
So
these
kind
of
things
I
I
think
if
we
knew
how
how
young
children
are
first
of
all
with
social
media
and
how
it
affects
them.
E
Social
media
is
a
huge
thing
in
their
lives
now,
and
I
think
it
might
be
a
question
to
be
asked.
I
just
thought
it
might
be
a
good
idea.
That's
all.
A
Thank
you,
jackie
counselor,
carlill
and
then
kate
and
I'll
bring
shaheen
back
in.
B
Two
quick
comments,
really
one:
the
the
point
about
transport
that
the
bits
that
councillor
boden
is
referring
to.
There
is
the
fair
deal
arranged
by
the
the
mayor
and
that's
a
good
point
where
it's
not
working.
I
think
the
mayor
would
really
appreciate
some
more
power
to
her
elbow
to
enable
her
to
have
those
discussions
more
robustly
with
operators.
B
So
I
suggest,
if
you
were
going
to
take
that
point
on
them
right,
then
a
letter
to
the
mayor
would
be
really
useful,
because
I
know
that
that
that's
a
discussion
with
operators
around
what
we
can
get
as
a
city-
and
I
think
she'd
appreciate
that
that
strength
and
just
to
comment
that
I
really
agree
with
julie's
point
that
I
think
we
do
have
a
real
wealth
of
information
that
we
hear,
listen
to
and
and
gather
from
young
people,
and
sometimes
I
think
it's
the
when
I'm
on
other.
B
I
get
the
benefit
of
that
being
on
both
the
corporate
parenting
board
and
being
one
of
the
children
and
young
people's
champions.
But
there's
times
I've
been
on
other
scrutiny
boards
around,
where
I
feel
that
there's
opportunities
to
further
share
that
knowledge
that
haven't
necessarily
been
taken
so
yeah
being
in
any
scrutiny
board.
B
There
is
always
the
voice
of
children,
young
people
that
I
think
we've
got,
and
often
I've
heard
what
they've
said
around
that
from
reports
I've
seen
from
from
children's
services
and
from
from
the
voice
and
influence
team,
but
it's
not
always
reflected
to
members
as
they
go
into
that
meeting.
Therefore,
they're
not
allowed
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
say
that
forward
and
I
think
that's
the
real
gap
absolutely
to
have
further
opportunities
to
act
on
the
information
that
children
and
young
people
give
us
is,
I
think,
really
valuable
I'll.
Take
those
comments
thanks.
A
Thank
you
for
that
kate.
Please.
J
Thank
you
yeah.
I
agree
with
what
jackie
said
about
the
impact
of
social
media
on
children
and
young
people.
Now
it's
a
very
different,
very
different
sort
of
society
for
our
children,
young
people
than
as
it
was
for
when
we
were
obviously
growing
up
and
just
sort
of
thinking
about
obviously
protective
factors
in
regards
to
some
of
the
more
negative
aspects
of
of
social
media
and
also
thinking
about
how
looking
at
the
wishes
and
ultimately
how.
J
How
can
children
young
people
engage
in
a
lot
of
what's
actually
listed
in
their
wishes
and
thinking
about
what
council
bethel
was
saying
about,
nurture
and
love.
And,
ultimately
I
think
it
comes
down
to
young
young
people
having
opportunities
to
develop
self-esteem
and
confidence
and
resilience,
because
you
can't
really
engage
in
anything.
If
you
don't
have
those
basic
fundamentals
and
what
what
do
children
and
young
people
actually
understand
by
the
terminology?
Well-Being,
because
again,
it's
quite
a
corporate
term
really,
and
I
think
it
breaks
down
into
those
key
things.
J
And
if
we
can
maybe
reflect
some
of
that
as
well
in
the
questionnaires
and
think
about
that
in
our
plan.
And
how,
when
you
were
talking
about
reviewing
some
of
the
language,
because
I
think
those
things
are
maybe
easier
for
children
to
understand
those
those
that
terminology
so
yeah,
I
think
that
would
be
good
to
look
at
as
well.
Thank
you.
A
N
Thank
you
chair,
I'm
just
going
to
pick
up
on
the
point.
I
think
you
counseling
biff
was
made
it's
a
very,
very,
very
personal
point
about
the
love
and
children
who
are
not
loved,
go
to
school
to
be
loved
and
it's.
How
do
we
bring
that
aspect
into
everything
that
we
do
within
the
school
system
and
further
than
that
across
the
council
and
the
work
that
we
have
directly
with
children,
young
people
and
something
that
we
will
be
working
on
when
we
refresh
our
three
a's
again
is
a
concept
around
unconditional
positive
regard?
N
And
how
do
we
build
that
into
the
school
system,
because
that
would
alleviate
some
of
the
pressures
that
our
children
are
facing
and
feeling
they
don't
feel
they
belong
or
are
loved
and
it's
a
very
quick
win,
but
it's
hearts
and
minds,
and
how
do
we
bring
that
as
a
as
a
given
practice
and
a
basic
expectation
into
that
system?
And
I
think
a
point
to
make
about
the
wishes-
and
we
were
talking
about
this
last
night-
is
actually
are
they
wishes
or
are
they
entitlement,
and
is
there
a
way
of
thinking
about
that?
N
Because,
actually,
our
children
should
not
have
to
make
a
wish
to
us,
because
they
know
everything
they
can
teach
us
that
you
know
quite
a
lot,
but
actually
it
is
a
an
ask
and
it
should
be
a
given
ask
and
it
should
be
an
entitlement
and
within
that
they
should
be
the
love
as
as
sort
of
real
golden
photos
as
roof
was
saying
with
edi
running
through.
That's
a
golden
thread
is
how
can
we
get
love
to
really
feature
heavily,
because
then
that
aspect
of
edi
will
come
into
that
as
well?
N
And
so
there's
there's
just
a
few
points
there
for
us
to
to
really
consider,
because
this
feels
like
a
basic
entitlement
and
what
we
want
to
do
is
get
to
their
offer,
which
is
love,
unconditional,
positive
regard
and
and
everything
that
would
come
from
that
not
what
the
equalities
act
would
be.
They
are
very
basic
entitlements
for
our
children
and
young
people.
F
Oh
yeah,
it's
in
regards
to
sort
of
play
and
nurture
so
working
in
primary
education
for
quite
a
long
time
and
working
in
social
and
multiple
emotional
mental
health
schools.
There
are
sk.
There
are
really
fantastic
schemes
that
really
really
incorporate
both
really
good
quality
play
and
the
play
that
involves
and
is
designed
to
be,
nurturing
and
caring,
which
many
children
might
not
get
at
home,
for
instance,
but
ultimately
a
lot-
and
I
did
a
recent
visit
to
a
primary
school
and
year.
F
One
is
a
fantastic
transition
between
really
play
orientated
in
reception,
but
then
the
transition
into
what's
going
to
happen
in
in
the
other
years-
and
I
was
speaking
to
the
head-
and
she
said
well
coming
out
of
covert
and
a
lot
of
these
children
haven't
had
the
interactions
with
other
children
that
they
are
actually
using
year,
one
to
have
more
focus
on
play.
But
in
the
same
breath
I
could
see
it
in
her
eyes
that
she
can
there's
stress
there,
because,
ultimately,
something
will
give,
and
it
might
be
this
time.
F
But
if
there's
no
weight
to
them.
Providing
this
again
I
was,
I
was
in
primary
education
for
nine
years.
I
know
the
pressures
that
are
there
and
the
struggle
for
them
to
actually
go
out
and
achieve.
This
is
going
to
be
so
much
harder
because
it
won't
be
acknowledged
and
they
could
be
doing
all
these
brilliant
work.
But
ultimately,
when
an
inspection
comes
in,
it's
just
completely
disregarded.
F
So
I
think
we
do
need
like
boston
to
be
completely
on
board
in
regards
to
what
sort
of
play
is
being
provided
by
the
schools,
how
children
are
growing
up
and
being
taught
how?
How
vital
it
is
for
them
to
do
this
and
actually
how
they
can
be
nurtured,
how
they
can
interact
being
nurtured
as
well,
and
you
know
I'm.
It
is
a
bit
frustrating
because
I
can't
remember
what
it
was.
F
But
the
schemes
and
the
that
I
went
through
it
wasn't
just
for
the
reception,
children,
the
profound
impact
that
even
nine-year-olds
would
have
sitting
in
a
circle
and
going
through
some
really
just
nice
games
and
singing
they'd
never
done
it
before,
and
they
haven't
done
it
since
they
were
in
reception,
and
you
would
find
actually
tackle
things
like
bullying,
because
sorry,
I'm
a
bit
unstuck
but
yeah.
A
Thank
you
for
that.
It's
really
really
helpful.
Okay,
if
I
get,
if
I
can
drive,
runs
attention
to
the
to
paragraph
six
on
page
18
and
then
we
can
just
look
at
the
the
questions
that
we've
been
asked
and
make
sure
we've
covered
them
off,
so
first
one's
around
mental
health
and
well-being,
which
is
currently
referenced.
A
My
sense
was
as
a
consensus
around
the
table
that
it
should
absolutely
be
a
much
higher
priority.
I
I
would
take
kate's
point
on
board
actually
that
the
word
well-being
is
convenient
because
it
captures
lots
of
things,
but
does
it
mean
what
it
needs
to
mean
to
children
and
young
people,
and
the
points
been
made
about
looking
at
language
and
I
think
that's
one
way
that
mental
health
and
health
generally
is
should
be
a
priority,
but
just
getting
the
language
rights.
A
I
think,
and
then
the
measuring
is
challenging
for
something
like
that,
but
I
think
I
I
guess
it
would
be
as
hannah
referred
to
the
the
my
health.
My
school
survey
is
probably
the
mechanism
to
to
do
that
unless
anyone's
got
other
suggestions
for
for
that.
Other
than
that,
I
think
I
think
we've
covered
that,
so
I
think
the
board
would
agree
that
should
be
a
much
much
higher
priority.
A
I
think
we've
covered
the
points
about
having
fun
and
play
and
absolutely
play
should
feature
in
the
refreshed
plan.
I
think
this
thought
about
how
that's
to
be
measured
and
noting
the
points
around
ofsted,
which
is
not
necessarily
our
gift
to
to
deliver,
but
it
is
a
point
we
can.
We
can
certainly
make
and
perhaps
something
we
can
look
at
as
a
council.
I
think
the
the
climate
emergency
has
certainly
come
up
loud
and
clear
as
a
big
thing
for
for
this
board
on
behalf
of
children.
A
In
terms
of
the
the
consultation
it
strays
into
the
the
question
about
how
scrutiny
would
like
to
be
involved,
I
think
it
might
be
useful
for
us
to
see
what's
proposed
to
go
in
the
consultation
and
it's
easier
to
comment
at
that
point
if
we
think
there's
anything
missing
or
or
unnecessary.
So
if
that's
something
we
can,
we
can
work
in
angela.
A
If
the
timing
works,
transport
that's
come
through
loud
and
clear,
I
think
we
definitely
covered
covered
that
and
I
I
think,
we've
covered
equality
and
diversity
and
the
importance
of
making
sure
that
runs
through
and
making
sure
it's
accessible
to
everybody,
regardless
of
their
circumstances
and
and
making
sure
within
the
the
consultation
we're
reaching
out
and
really
going
there
and
we've
got
brilliant
voice
and
influence
team
we're
very
lucky
in
leeds,
but
even
for
them.
A
It's
a
challenge
to
to
engage
absolutely
everybody,
and
it's
just
trying
to
constantly
find
new
ways
to
to
do
that.
So
chris
is
there
anything
that
we
haven't
covered
that
you
wanted
us
to
touch
on.
O
I
think
that's
probably
covered
all
the
main
points
that
we
wanted
to
do
and,
as
I
said,
some
additional
bits
came
up
as
well,
which
is
useful,
so
there's
more
than
enough
for
us
to
go
away
and
distill
and
try
and
try
and
try
and
sum
that
up.
So
it
may
be
that
as
we
go
through
these
things
come
up
that
we
may
need
to
come
back
with,
particularly
if
we
can
come
back
with
the
the
questions
around
the
consultation
that
that
might
be
really
helpful.
O
A
Chris,
we're
only
here
to
help
on
this
point
so
and
then
in
terms
of
how
scrutiny
would
want
to
be
involved.
My
suggestion
would
be,
if
it's
possible,
to
see
those
questions
before
they
go
to
the
consultation.
That
would
be
helpful
and
then
perhaps
if
we
can
see
the
responses
and
where
you're
going
with
that,
rather
than
wait
until
it's
absolutely
ready
to
go
to
exec
board
and
things
that
can
be
useful
if
we
could
see
it
a
little
bit
before
that
and
have
an
input.
A
If,
if
that
works
with
your
timeline-
and
hopefully
we
can
add
some
add
some
value
to
things
there.
Okay,
so
I
think
we've
covered
all
the
recommendations
on
that
one.
So
that's
been
a
really
good
discussion,
so
thank
you
to
everybody
for
all
the
contributions
and
it's
so
important.
The
thing
that
struck
me
within
that
is,
I
think,
it's
ten
years
since
we
started
the
first
plan
when
we
finished
the
next
iteration.
A
Anyone
who
was
born
in
the
first
year
will
be
20
years
old
and
going
into
adulthood
and
will
have
lived
through
all
of
this,
and
that's
that's
not
true.
It's
about
the
impact
on
it,
it's
real!
This
is
not
just
a
document
it's
about
really
impacting
on
children's
lives
and
young
people
have
lived
right
through
the
whole
process
and
and
we've
got
to
make
sure
we
get
get
this
absolutely
right.
A
So
again,
thank
you
for
bringing
it
to
us
at
at
this
early
stage
and
giving
us
the
chance
to
to
really
contribute
to
it.
So,
thank
you
so
on
to
item
nine,
which
is
the
work
schedule
we
commit.
Obviously
we
talked
about
possible
items.
We
could
look
at
at
our
last
meeting,
which
was
quite
an
extensive
list,
so
we
agreed
that
we'd
go
away
myself
and
angela
and
we
met
with
sal
and
julie
and
shaheen
to
to
to
look
at
this.
A
So
I
think,
there's
probably
two
or
three
key
things
that
have
come
out
of
that.
So
what
our
suggestion
was
we
kind
of
grouped
things,
firstly
into
areas
where
we've
got
very
much
a
watching
brief
and
we
felt
the
way
to
do
that
was
perhaps
the
first
part
of
all.
Our
meetings
with
there
were
a
lot
of
things
that
are
that
were
suggested
that
the
things
were
mon
either
monitoring
anyway
or
things
that
are
just
to
keep
us
up
to
date,
that
we
want
to
keep
an
eye
on.
A
So
the
first
part
of
each
of
our
meetings,
we'd
focus
on
on
those
and
then
the
second
part
of
each
meeting
would
be
much
more
in
depth
and
we'd.
Look
at
that
in
two
parts.
One
would
be
themed
sessions
where
we
can
group
together
a
lot
of
the
things
under
under
one
umbrella
that
we've
looked
at
and
then
the
we
wanted
to
make
sure
we
didn't
have,
as
we
discussed
last
time,
a
scatter
gun
approach,
where
we
look
at
a
whole
array
of
things
and
don't
actually
have
an
impact
on
anything.
A
So
there
are
two
or
three
areas
where
some
that
we'd
already
identified
about
the
workforce
issues
around
schools
and
social
work.
So
that's
absolutely
one
that
we've
got
programmed
in
and
then
if
I
can
ask
angela
just
to
run
through
sort
of
what
the
proposal
is
and
see
if
everyone's
come
to
our
noted
councillor
bithell
had
a
comment
so
I'll
bring
you
in
in
a
second
and
then
if
anyone
else
has
got
any
any
thoughts
to
add.
L
L
Two
I've
asked
a
list
of
those
as
a
reminder,
and
so
following
the
discussion
that
we
had
with
the
director
and
the
senior
officers
again,
it
was
about
areas
of
priority
where
it's
felt,
the
scrutiny
could
add
real
value
this
year
and
three
in
particular,
were
identified
and,
as
council
alum
explained,
it's
not
taking
away
some
of
the
theme
discussions
that
will
will
also
incorporate
into
the
work
schedule,
but
the
one
of
the
priorities
is
around
workforce
planning,
and
I
know
that
was
picked
up
in
particular
at
the
board
meeting
last
month.
L
So
it's
proposed
that
the
board
undertakes
an
in-depth
review
of
children's
services
workforce
planning
and
that
we
use.
We
come
back
in
september
with
draft
sort
of
terms
of
reference
to
determine
the
scope
of
that
moving
forward
in
terms
of
it
being
more
of
an
in-depth
piece
of
work.
L
The
other
priority
is
about
maintaining
what
you
brief
on
the
new
schools
bill
and
the
consequential
impacts
locally
and
again,
it's
proposed
that
we
use
the
september
meeting
to
have
that
initial
discussion
on
the
school's
bill
and
then
decides
thereafter
what
further
scrutiny
may
be
needed
and
the
other
priority
was
about
reviewing
the
existing
lead,
send
and
inclusion
strategy
within
the
context
of
the
recommendations
and
proposals
that
are
stemming
from
the
send
green
paper
and
also
the
independent
review
of
children's
social
care.
L
So
there's
an
item
on
the
lead
strategy
in
november
with
a
view
to
undertaking
that
piece
of
work,
so
the
board's
work
schedule
still
includes
the
traditional
items
of
scrutiny,
activities
such
as
our
performance
budget
monitoring,
and
it's
still
also
reflective
of
the
board's
earlier
commitments
to
track
other
key
strategic
plans,
which
again
was
just
referenced
in
the
earlier
item
around
the
three
years
plan,
the
youth
justice
plan
and
the
child
poverty
strategy,
so
they'll
be
all
even
into
the
type
of
themed
approach
that
the
council
lambs
mentioned.
A
Okay,
thank
you
angela,
so
we
try
to
cover
as
much
of
of
the
things
that
that
will
put
forward
as
we
can,
but
also
make
sure
we
can
have
a
real
impact
in
those
those
key
areas
that
we've
identified
so
hopefully
that
meets
with
your
approval,
but
councillor
bithell.
You
wanted
to.
H
Thank
you
yeah.
I
have
concerns
about
the
29th
of
march
and
it
being
an
incredibly
incredibly
busy
meeting
that
we
then
don't
actually
end
up
effectively
doing
justice
too.
Certainly
the
youth
justice
plan
is
something
that
I
think
is
really
important,
and
I
mentioned
previously.
H
A
Yeah
we
can,
we
can
absolutely
do
all
of
that
and
I'm
conscious.
We
don't
currently
have
a
meeting
scheduled
in
april
or
may.
I
suspect
that
may
need
to
change
to
be
able
to
to
cover
all
these
things
off.
But
we've
got
time
to
to
work
on
the
terms
of
reference
to
focus
on
the
things
we
want
to
look
at
and
the
sooner
all
of
that's
fed.
K
It
was
just
on
a
appointment,
counselor
biffle
made
in
a
previous
meeting.
I
think,
regarding
you,
know,
offenders
and
we
we've
constantly
talked
about
the
idea,
but
never
actually
achieved
to
have
a
meeting
at
the
young
offenders
in
weatherby.
I
think
I
don't
know
how
we'd
do
it
in
terms
of
public
recording,
etc,
but
it
might
be
an
idea
to
actually
have
the
discussion
on
the
youth
justice
plan
acting
offenders
at
weatherby.
A
It's
very
much
in
my
mind
to
do
exactly
that:
okay,
any
other
thoughts
or
comments.
Or
is
everybody
happy?
Oh
sorry,
counselor
bromley.
You
had
your
hand.
N
Thank
you,
something's
been
brought
to
my
attention.
It's
quite
specific
and
I
just
wondered.
D
If
it
could
be
brought
in
maybe
later
down
the
line
or
if
not
it's
coming
to
the
end
of
today,
but
still
melatonin
prescriptions,
apparently
there's
been
a
large
number.
N
Of
families
self-prescribing
buying
online
because
the
waiting
list
for
this
medication.
D
On
cans
is
currently
about
18
months,
and
I
can
won't
deal
with
just
sleep
alone
and
so
looking
at
maybe
gps,
and
I
can
being
able
to
prescribe
and
scope
sleep
right.
Service
apparently
is
fully
aware
of
this,
and
there's
flagged
this
as
a
concern
already,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
something
we
could
bring
to
scrutiny
at
some
point.
A
Yeah,
it's
probably
whether
it
would
come
to
our
board
or
to
the
health
board,
but
I
wonder
perhaps,
if,
if
julie,
that's
something
we
can
pick
up
outside
the
meeting
and
see
what
the
best
way
to
take
it
forward
is.
A
Okay,
so
the
final
thing
we've
said:
lots
of
nice
things
about
celia.
So
I
wonder
I
don't.
I
can't
think
of
anything,
unfortunately
see
they're
horrible
to
say,
amaze,
but
see
that
do
you
have
any
any.
I
should
really
give
you
the
last.
Well
I'll
still
have
the
last
word,
but
I'll
give
you
the
the
pre
last
word:
yeah
yeah
your
microphone
after
20
years.
You
think
you've
got
the
hang
of
this
right
now,
but.
C
It's
20
years,
you
know,
being
a
teacher,
you
just
think
you
can
shout
at
everybody
yeah.
I
I
had
my
last
union
national
exec
meeting
last
week
and
I
felt
absolute
relief
when
it
was
over
and
I
thought,
thank
god.
I
don't
have
to
trail
down
here
again
and
I
feel
regret
leaving
this
board
and
it's
been
so
interesting.
C
As
we
were
saying
in
the
early
days
we
included
leisure,
centers
and
cemeteries,
which
was
very
broad
but
maybe
less
interesting,
and
I
I've
just
found
it
always
very
supportive,
positive
and
you
feel
as
if
you
are
doing
something
wide
range
of
people
involved,
and
I
think
it's
far
more
bill
bob
getting
said
it's
more
democratic
now
than
when
it
used
to
be
the
actual
council
and
councillors.
Just
on
the
education
committee.
I
think
it's
far
more
informative.
C
A
Thank
you,
siglia
for
everything
and
you've
been
fantastic.
It's
the
final
word,
so
that
brings
to
item
10
the
date
and
time
of
next
meeting.
It
sounds
ages
away,
but
it
probably
isn't
so
wednesday.
The
7th
of
september
is
the
next
time
we'll
be
we'll
be
back
at
10
o'clock,
usual
time
with
the
pre-meeting
at
9
45..