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A
Welcome
to
the
first
face-to-face
meeting
we've
had
for
the
scrutiny
board
for
some
time.
I've
not
counted
the
number
of
meetings
that
we've
met
virtually
or
whatever.
So
I'm
not
going
to
try
and
pretend
that
I
have,
but
it's
nice
to
see
people
back
again.
We
have
all
seen
each
other
at
council
whether
it
will
be
as
bad
temperatures
council
can
be.
I
don't
know,
but
we'll
see
what
happens
as
the
day
goes
on,
so
welcome.
A
Let's
go
through
the
items
we've
got
now
for
those
members
of
the
public
who
are
watching
in
our
cameras
aren't
working
properly,
so
there
is
a
shot
which
has
got
everybody
in
it,
but
when
you're
speaking
individually,
there
is
no
individual
camera
shot
of
you
and
the
officers
who
are
sitting
at
the
top
end.
A
It's
going
to
be
very
difficult
to
know.
Who
is
it's
actually
speaking
in
terms
of
the
public?
So
that
said,
let's
go
through
item.
If
you
just
go
through
the
first
few
items
so.
B
B
A
Okay
right,
thank
you.
Now,
we've
also
formally
in
the
pre-meeting
we
have
raised
concerns
that
at
least
one
member
today
hasn't
been
able
to
come
along
because
they've
attended
site
visits
which
have
taken
place
at
the
same
time,
so
we'll
try
and
get
that
sorted
out,
because
there
are
two
potential
conflicts
for
us
coming
up
later
on
this
year.
A
So
hopefully
that
will
be
resolved
so
that
members
are
able
to
go
to
the
site
visits
and
also
to
be
able
to
attend
scrutiny
as
well,
rather
than
having
to
make
a
choice
as
to
which
one
they
do
or
do
not
attend
and
they're.
All
there
are
people,
like
council
brooks
who
do
often
substitute
for
other
people
on
some
of
these
scrutiny
and
some
of
these
plans
panels.
So
we
need
to
make
sure
that
everyone
has
the
flexibility
to
do
what
is
right
for
the
council
as
a
whole.
A
So
if
we
now
move
on
to
the
first
item
on
the
agenda,
which
is
the
minutes
so
can
I
have
your
formal
approval
of
the
minutes
of
the
25th
of
march
yep
they've
been
formally
approved
and
then
we've
got.
The
summary
note
of
the
15th
of
july
is
that
formally
approved
as
well.
Good.
Okay
item,
seven
safer,
stronger
community
city
plan.
We
had
a
presentation
on
this
at
our
last
virtual
meeting
and
anybody
who
had
any
comments
was
asked
to
submit
them.
We
didn't
have
any
comments.
A
Simon
has
anything
further
changed.
Has
anybody
approved
it
because
I
know
it's
been
to
the
safer
leads
board?
So
can
you
just
give
us
a
brief
update
on
what's
happened
since
we
last
met?
Yes,.
B
Thank
you
chair.
So
simon
hodgson
had
a
service
at
safety,
stronger
communities
team.
So
yes,
there's
no
further
updates.
I've
had
quite
a
lot
of
support
from
members
in
terms
of
the
actually
new
city
plan
for
the
safety,
stronger
communities
team.
B
So
today,
really
it's
more
of
a
formal
procedure
to
approve,
so
we
can
go
to
the
next
stage
following
any
feedback
from
the
public,
any
adjustments
that
will
then
go
on
to
the
executive
boards.
The
only
other
point
I'd
like
to
raise
chair
is
obviously
members
around.
The
room
will
be
aware
that
the
the
mayor
is
currently
consulting
on
the
west,
yorkshire,
wide
police
and
crime
plan.
So
there
will
be
a
link
between
that
and
the
local
place,
based
a
safer,
stronger
communities
plan.
A
That's
fine!
Thank
you,
yeah.
That
was
a
point
that
I'm
I
was
asked
to
attend
on
behalf
of
councillor
amanda
carter
to
the
police
and
crime
panel,
and
that
was
a
question
I
asked
is:
does
our
plan
inform
the
mayors
or
is
the
mayor's
plan
meant
to
inform
ours,
and
the
answer
I
got
back
is:
hopefully
they
will
start
to
be
aligned
better,
but
we
do
have
a
council
councillor
which
long
since
being
a
counselor,
we
do
have
the
deputy
mayor,
allison
lowe
is
coming
to.
A
C
Thank
you
very
happy
to
formally
prove
I
just
out
of
interest
and
a
new
member
to
this
board
we'd
be
interested
to
know
about
if
we
are
getting
any
further
information
on
the
sex
work.
Governance
arrangements
noted
on
page
29
at
any
point
in
the
future
work
program.
B
I
I
assume
that's
on
your
your
work
program,
moving
forward
and
obviously
we'll
feedback
in
terms
of
the
governance
and
the
plans,
and
I
know
there's
a
couple
of
members
involved
in
that
and
actually
having
working
groups.
So
we
can
put
that
as
part
of
your
forward
plan.
A
Okay,
thank
you
right.
So
can
we
formally
approve
this?
Yes,
okay,
so
as
well.
Thank
you
simon.
Thank
you
right
now.
What
we'll
do
is
we
will
bear
in
mind
that
the
cameras
won't
move
around
the
room,
but
if
we
can
all
introduce
ourselves
as
to
who
we
all
are
now,
we
can
then
move
on
to
the
next
agenda
items.
I'm
councillor,
barry
anderson.
I
chair
the
scrutiny
board.
D
G
H
Good
morning,
councillor
drive
it
up
to
london
and
woodhouse.
A
Thank
you
very
much
right.
We've
got
the
gambling
act,
statement
of
license
and
policy
before
us
for
our
review
and
just
whether
or
not
we're
willing
to
sign
it
off.
This
was
has
been
taken
out
to
public
consultation.
It's
also
been
passed
through
the
licensing
committee
as
well.
A
E
Just
very
quickly
it
went
out
to
public
consultation.
We
wrote
to
427
people
advising
them
of
the
consultation,
offering
them
a
copy
of
the
policy.
We
had
12
responses
requesting
a
copy
of
the
policy
and
then
just
one
formal
response
to
the
consultation
which
is
at
appendix
3,
and
our
response
is
at
appendix
4
to
that.
They
made
a
couple
of
valid
points
and
we
went
back
and
clarified
a
few
others,
but
other
than
that
it
hasn't
made
a
substantial
change
to
the
policy
that
went
out
to
consultation.
E
A
F
I've
just
got
a
question
if
I
may,
on
what
he
just
said.
He
said,
I
think
he
wrote
to
412
in
disinterested
parties,
but
I
just
wondered
who
they
were
not
everyone,
obviously,
but
generally
who
they
were
and
why
they
were
selected.
Thank
you.
E
So
we
are
required
to
to
consult
with
certain
people
that
and
that's
in
the
gambling
act,
so
that
would
be
business
owners,
residents
and
people
that
represent
them.
So
we
wrote
to
427
people
and
those
were
every
person
that
holds
a
gambling
licence
in
the
city,
all
support
groups,
all
ward
members,
our
mps,
we
wrote
to
public
health,
all
the
responsible
authorities,
basically
everybody
that
I've
got
a
contact
for
or
as
a
department.
We
have
a
contact
for
that
might
vaguely
be
interested
in
gambling.
That's
who
we
sent
it
to.
F
E
F
A
That's
right,
anybody
get
any
other
points
that
would
like
to
make
on
this.
In
that
case,
can
we
formally
release
this
at
a
good,
full
council?
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
for
coming
along.
Thank
you.
So
we
now
move
on
to
the
substantive
item
today,
which
is
an
inquiry
into
waste
services.
A
Cancer
scopes
and
I
met
some
weeks
and
months
ago
to
discuss
how
this
could
be
done
on
across
a
scrutiny
board
basis
in
terms
of
council
scopes,
looking
at
the
financing
and
the
resource
allocation
side
of
things
and
this
scrutiny
board
looking
at
what
the
service
is
delivering
and
whether
it's
meeting
the
needs
of
the
public
and
so
as
a
result
of
that
council
scopes
and
myself,
along
with
officers,
met
with
mr
wilmer
and
mr
rogers
to
outline
what
we
were
planning
to
do,
and
there
was
general
agreement
that
this
is
something
that
can
be
worked
on.
A
In
terms
of
as
a
council,
we
declared
the
climate
emergency
and
we
said
we
would
get
things
done,
and
there
is
no
doubt
that
the
waste
collection
service
has
a
valuable
role
to
play
to
make
sure
that,
when
new,
because
at
the
moment,
if
we
go
on
the
principle
that
we're
building
three
to
four
thousand
houses,
that
means
every
three
years
we're
almost
building
a
new
ward,
which
has
got
to
be
taken
into
consideration,
plus
other
people.
A
Houses
that
weren't
in
use
are
now
coming
back
into
use
as
well.
So
there's
a
number
of
problems
coming
forward,
so
you've
got
before
you
the
suggested
terms
of
reference.
A
I
Thank
you,
chair,
yeah,
but
probably
reasonably
briefly,
where
we
are
at
the
moment
with
the
the
waste
strategy
for
leeds
is
that,
as
you
said
quickly
say,
chair,
we're
to
a
large
degree
waiting
on
the
results
of
the
current
consultation
taking
place
by
government
through
defra.
We,
we
are
pretty
hopeful
that
will
be
concluded
quite
soon.
The
noises
coming
from
deaf
and
government
are
quite
positive
on
that,
and
just
to
be
really
clear.
I
I
So
obviously
that
would
have
a
big
implication
on
us
in
leeds,
so
we're
really
waiting
for
that
consultations
happening
in
terms
of
crystal
balling
with
quite
it
was
a
similar
place
to
really
where
we
were
before
when
we've
last
discussed
this
that
we
and
the
government
are
still
talking
about
a
requirement,
a
legal
requirement
to
collect
food
from
curbsides
from
whatever
year
that
that
then
is
implemented
from
perhaps
two
or
three
years
time,
we'll
see
if
that
alters,
because
the
government's
own
timetable
obviously
has
been
delayed
18
months
or
so,
and
the
current
consultation
is
around
that
and
again
it's
difficult
for
us
at
the
moment
to
foresee
exactly
what
councils
will
be
allowed
to
do
with
with
that.
I
So
just
to
give
you
an
example
on
that
there
are
some
councils
in
the
country
at
the
moment
that
successfully
collect
their
food
waste
with
their
garden
waste
called
co-mingling,
so
they
have
their
equivalent
of
brown,
but
it
might
be
a
different
color,
usually
brown,
bin
or
green
bin
confusingly
for
us
they
put
their
food
in
with
their
garden
way
successfully.
So
whole
east
riding
chestshare,
for
example,
already
do
that
and
that
gets
taken
away
and
processed
and
turned
into
composting
material.
I
There
is
emerging
models
around
that
that
also
look
at
turning
that
into
as
well
capturing
some
of
the
the
gas
that's
released
on
that
and
using
that
through
a
similar,
ruby,
digester
concept.
So
you
get
a
bit
of
both
going
on
and
clearly
there
are
also
councils
across
the
country
that
collect
the
food
separately
and
just
take
that
purely
to
an
anaerobic
digester.
I
So
we
we're
waiting
really
to
see
from
there
what
will
be
allowed
in
that.
So
in
their
initial
consultation,
they
talked
around
some
restrictions
and
they
weren't
very
keen
on
co-mingling
as
the
preference,
and
they
also
talked
about
requirement
for
in
a
weekly
collection.
I
So
we
just
need
to
understand
really
what
the
government
will
allow
as
exceptions
to
that
there's
something
called
teep
which
stands
for
you
know
we
forget
this
technically
environmentally
and
economically
practical,
and
that
currently
applies
to
everything
we
do
now
so
that
that's
why
you
get
a
discrepancy
and
a
variation
of
how
councils
collect
things,
because
they
can
say
to
jeffrey.
Well,
actually,
we
it's
better
for
us
if
we
collect
it
in
this
way,
because
we've
got
a
company,
we
can
take
each
other
separate
in
this
way.
I
That's
when
some
places
get
glass
collected
some
places,
you
don't,
for
example,
and
you
can
apply
for
that
deep
sort
of
discretion
from
government
already
the.
What
seems
to
be
being
said
is
that
they're
going
to
be
a
bit
more
strict
on
that
type
application.
So
we
don't
know
how
strict
they
would
be,
for
example,
on
what
just
talks
about
around
food.
Would
they
allow
food
to
be
collected,
co-mingled,
potentially,
yes,
tick.
I
So
so
so
that's
where
we
still
are
with
those
things
we
are
hoping
that
we'll
get
not
just
as
obviously
everyone
around
the
country
will
get
some
updates
on
that
soon
and
the
noise
is
coming
out
of
that
reasoning.
Positive.
The
second
element
is
around
glass
that
have
an
effect
on
what
we
do
and
therefore
our
strategy
and
how
we
design
our
services
and
why
we're
kind
of
a
pause
with
things
at
the
moment
is
again
bearing
in
mind
that
one
of
the
major
points
of
the
government
is
to
ensure
consistency.
I
I
Yet
I
can
crystal
ball
again
for
you
a
little
bit
the
the
the
government's
talking
around
again
a
legal
requirement
to
collect
glass
from
the
curb
side,
or
at
least
make
that
offer,
but
it
doesn't
with
glass
specify
how
frequently
so
that
could
be
fortnightly
monthly,
even
but
it
also
still
talks
about
a
deposit
return
scheme
as
a
major
way
of
dealing
with
glass
and
we've
raised
this
issue
before
there's
a
little
there's
a
bit
of
a
tension
or
a
contradiction
there
in
that
in
that.
I
If,
if
the
deposit
return
scheme
becomes
the
rolled
out
successful
model
which
in
a
lot
of
ways,
I
think
we
probably
all
would
like
it
to
be,
because
that
really
does
incentivize
people
to
then
take
the
glass
back
to
get
their
1020p
or.
However,
it's
worked
in
terms
of
the
logistics
of
a
scheme
and
it
really
incentivizes
people
to
to
take
to
take
the
glass
back
and
make
sure
it's
reused.
But
if
that
is
successfully
rolled
out,
then
there
wouldn't
be
the
glass
to
collect
from
the
curbside.
I
I
But
again
we
don't
want
to
back
that
horse
at
this
stage,
because
we
could
end
up
investing,
not
someone
who's
going
to
have
anyway
around
around
that
type
of
collection
scheme
when
actually
in
three,
two
or
three
years
time,
there's
no
glass
very
little
glass
to
collect,
and
actually
you
might
find
councils
then
saying
well,
a
better
way
to
collect
is
do
some
sort
of
bottle
bank
scheme
with
deposit
returns
attached
to
it.
So
that's
kind
of
a
shortened
version
of
where
we
are
with
things.
So
the
final
point
to
add
into
really
important
point.
I
Sorry,
to
add
to
all
of
that
is
a
critical
part
of
the
government's
strategy
and
national
waste
resource
strategy
is
the
resource
bit
of
it
as
well,
and
they've
been
really
clear
all
along
that
they
will
fund
all
new
activities
that
that
councils
have
to
undertake
to
meet
their
new
legal
requirements,
both
infrastructural
costs
and
running
costs,
but
clearly
that
has
a
massive
impact
on
on
our
modelling.
I
You
know
it's
okay,
if
we
end
up
even
if
we
could
get
the
resources
and
and
build
yet
another
new
depot,
perhaps
to
accommodate
all
the
extra
glass
collections
and
food
collections
or
whether
we're
allowed
to
combing
whatever
we
still
got
to
have
the
place
to
take
these
things
too,
to
to
process
them
in
the
capacity
we
need
them
processed
and
at
a
time
when
every
other
council
in
the
country
will
be
looking
to
do
that
at
the
same
time
and
requiring
new
fleet
at
the
same
time.
I
So
there
are
a
lot
of
other
issues
I
think,
still
to
work
through
in
terms
of
the
logistics
of
of
implementing
strategies,
not
just
for
us
but
across
the
country.
But
again,
that's
not
just
a
leeds
issue
and
they
sure
will
be
different
because
different
cities,
as
we
know
and
as
you've
discussed
before
it's
part
of
the
terms
of
the
proposed
reference
so
at
different
stages.
I
I
can.
I
could
talk
about
some
of
the
positives
around
what
we
do
in
terms
of
the
stuff
we
asked
do
successfully
collect
and
separate
and
therefore
get
good
markets
for
and
recycle
well,
but
clearly
there
is
other
other
elements
that
we
don't
collect.
You
know
we
don't
collect
glass
from
the
curbside.
We
don't
collect
food
from
the
curbside,
so
you
know
it's
it
all
council's
in
different
positions.
Hence
the
the
government
sort
of
wanted
to
get
a
consistency
there
I'll
stop
there
jeff.
That's.
A
F
Okay
thanks,
sir
chair
apologies
for
the
slight
delay
coming
in.
As
you
said,
it's
councillor,
mohamed,
rafiq,
I'm
the
exec
board,
member
for
environment
and
housing.
C
Thank
you
very
much.
That
was
really
interesting,
and
thank
you
for
that.
Just
in
the
future
and
the
green
issues
that
we
were
talking
about
climate
change,
there
is
technology
out
there,
that's
being
developed
currently
and
they're
being
sort
of
funded,
and
you
know
burgeoning
in
in
the
world
that
will
that
will
that
can
or
promises
to
convert
household
waste
into
jet
fuel
for
airplanes,
a
sustainable
aviation
fuel,
so
that
is
quite
an
exciting
option,
potentially
in
the
future.
I
This
is
the
chair,
yeah
yeah,
thank
you,
council
would
yeah
our
view
at
the
moment
would
be.
We
need
to
understand
what
it
is
we're
required
to
do,
and
what
we're
going
to
get
money
to
do,
and
we
need
to
go
out
and
out
to
the
market
for
for
options
like
that,
so
the
marketplace
will
be
the
place
that
will
determine
the
infrastructure
of
who
can
provide
that
kind
of
technology,
and
that's
our
current
way
of
of
that.
We
would.
We
would
deal
with
the
waste
that
we
then
collect
so
yeah.
I
That
could
be
one
of
the
options
that
come
forward
from
the
marketplace,
but
again
it
would
be
around
the
cost
involved
in
that,
and
would
that
be
somewhere.
We
would
take
some
of
our
waste
to
that,
and
some
other
waste
would
go
to
another
place
for
for
more
traditional
recycling
of
those
materials,
but
certainly
yeah,
that's
something
that
seems
to
be
merging
as
an
opportunity.
It
also
requires,
of
course,
therefore,
a
facility
to
be
developed
somewhere
plans
to
be
available
on
all
those
sort
of
issues,
but
but
yeah.
I
I
What
kind
of
tonnages
would
leads
produce
and
when
would
stop
juicing,
and
then
we
can
have
the
discussions
with
the
the
companies
that
then
would
provide
the
infrastructure,
run
infrastructure
and
convert
the
the
material
in
the
way
you
suggested
to
say
right.
This
is
what
we
could
do
for
you
in
leeds.
This
is
where
it
would
go.
This
is
how
much
to
be
brutal
it
would.
I
It
would
cost
you
to
come
to
us
to
do
that
and
that
will
also
link
as
well
to
understanding
better
what
the
government's
proposal
will
be
about
how
they
would
reimburse
us
so
again
what
the
devil
will
be
in
the
detail
in
that
of
will
they
have
a
scheme
where
they
basically
grant
fund
councils
based
on
a
an
amount
per
household
that
they
judge
as
an
amount
they
should
cost
to
collect
and
process
food
and
then,
if
it
costs
you
more
because
we
convert
it
into
aviation
fuel
and
that
maybe
would
cost
more
than
converting
it
into
a.d
or
to
to
to
compost
material,
then
would
that
would
we
have
to
make
up
the
difference
or
would
it
would
the
market
come
to
us?
I
Actually,
it
will
cost
you
less
because
we
can
yeah,
but
so
yeah
they
are.
They
are
actually
that's
one
of
the
key
sort
of
types
of
questions.
That
is
the
next
thing
to
look
at,
and
I
think
I
welcome
the
inquiry
in
that
regard,
to
be
able
to
look
and
put
together
those
types
of
things
and
options.
Okay,.
G
Yes,
thanks,
council
anderson,
firstly,
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
your
cooperation
on
this
agenda
and
for
those
watching
the
point
of
a
joint
inquiry
is
to
bring
out
additional
focus
and
I
think,
in
a
lot
of
items
in
council
business,
it
is
cross
cross
term
directorate
and
resources
clearly
impacts
on
everything
we
do,
and
we've
just
heard
from
john
very
clearly
there's
a
lot
of
challenges,
a
lot
to
think
through
a
lot
of
pros
and
cons
to
weigh
up
and
I'm
hoping
through
this
inquiry
that
we
will
come
out
with
a
real,
clear
idea
of
what's
best
for
leads,
whether
it's
aviation
fuel
or
whether
it's
on
curb
glass
recycling-
and
I
guess
one
of
the
things
I'm
also
keen
to
understand-
is
in
the
context
of
councils.
G
G
I
won't
won't
go
through
the
paper
in
detail,
because
members
will
have
seen
it
and
read
it,
but
ultimately,
one
of
the
things
I
think
is
sort
of
probably
more
in
the
strategy
and
resources
directorate,
and
therefore
screening
board
that
I
chair
is
around
some
of
the
contracts
and
some
of
and
how
those
those
fit
together.
G
B
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you.
It
was
very,
very
well
well
written
and
presented
got
a
couple
of
questions.
So
on
point
six
point
one
which
is
on
page
one:
two:
five
of
our
papers
number
five
of
yours.
Possibly
it
says
that
you'd
like
a
break
well
you're,
going
to
do
a
breakdown
of
the
city's
waste
in
terms
of
volume
in
comparison
to
other
local
authorities.
B
I'd
like
to
see
that
as
a
percentage,
please
not
a
tonnage
specifically
because
obviously
the
the
size
of
the
authority
varies
so
so
greatly
that
I
think
that
would
make
more
sense
looking
forward
local
recycling.
Would
it
be
worth
putting
some
cardboard
recycling
points
at
bottle
bank
points
around
the
city
that
would
reduce
a
lot
of
the
the
home
delivery
packaging
that
possibly
sees
its
way
into
green
bins.
B
Currently,
I
know
that's
that's
kind
of
fairly
short
term
in
terms
of
if
we
do
move
on
to
curbside
glass
recycling,
but
I
do
see
that
as
possibly
some
way
in
the
future,
so
it
could
be
a
you
know,
an
option
for
now
that
would
possibly
help
with
your
your
over
presentation
at
the
moment.
B
My
other
point,
I
think,
is
during
your
presentation.
You
mentioned
that
possibly
food
collection
would
be
in
tandem
with
garden
waste
collection
now
garden.
Waste
collection
obviously
stops
for
certain
months
of
the
year.
So
what
would
your
plan
be
sort
of
for
that
moving
forward?
Thank
you.
I
Thanks
to
the
chair,
yeah,
thank
you
for
those
questions
councillor
it's
starting
at
the
last
point,
first
in
terms
of
the
co-mingled
option,
because
that
just
to
be
clear
that
I'm
just
suggesting
that
is
one
option:
it's
not
something
that
necessarily
we
would
do,
but
at
the
moment
it
would
seem
the
most
sensible
option,
for
least
because
we
have
the
largest
garden
waste
collection
service
in
the
uk
over
220
000
households.
Every
two
weeks
we
collect
from
so
we've
got
the
infrastructure
there,
that's
actually
unparalleled
within
the
uk.
So
why?
I
Wouldn't
we
look
at
that
infrastructure
as
a
starting
point,
but
there
is
there.
Is
there
are
pros
and
cons
to
that
and
it's
not
it.
The
co-mingling
of
garden,
waste
and
food
waste
is
a
slightly
lesser.
What's
the
word,
it
doesn't
get
as
as
good
carbon
reduction
sort
of
results.
I
suppose,
because
you
you,
we
we're
not
capturing
as
much
of
the
gas
as
we
probably
could
otherwise,
but
so
again,
that's
part
of
the
options
for
me.
I
We
do
need
to
to
look
at,
and
so
the
question
is
specifically
asked
about.
That
was
what
would
you.
B
Sorry,
what
what
would
your
if
you,
if
you
went
with
that?
What
would
your
plans
be
through
the
winter
months
when
there
was
no
garden
collection,
because,
obviously
I
know
that
the
the
drivers
of
the
of
the
garden
waste
vehicles
are
obviously
then
sort
of
moved
around
and
do
other
things.
Aren't
they.
I
So
yeah,
so
I
lost
my
train
of
thought.
Then
yeah
exactly
that's
what
we
would
look
at
so
the
options
so,
for
example,
where
the
co-mingling
currently
happens
in
cheshire,
I
think
the
outer
manchester
area,
hull
and
east
riding
that
already
happens,
so
we
would
have
to
look
at
the
service
being
all
all
year
round,
which
has
a
benefit
as
well,
because
it
means
that
those
that
do
have
some
garden
material.
I
I
know
some
members
around
the
table
who
asked
that
and
before
would
potentially
have
their
garden
waste
collected
as
well
all
year
round,
but
it
would
probably
mean
that
in
those
winter
months
you
wouldn't
require
as
many
of
the
crews,
because
even
with
the
food
added
to
it,
it
probably
wouldn't
still
have
as
much
tonnage.
But,
yes,
we
would
need
to
collect
all
year
round.
Certainly
then,
just
moving
back
to
the
first
couple
of
questions,
probably
wrapping
them
up
together
a
little
bit
really.
I
I
think
what
we
probably
need
to
add
to
one
of
the
things
to
come
back
to
you
early
on
is
a
statement
of
what
we
currently
do
in
terms
of
recycling
sort
of
position
statement
and
that
would
bring
into
an
example.
We
do
already
offer
some
additional
cardboard
collections
by
glass
bins.
So
it's
about
members
understanding
what
we
do
and
what
the
options
for
those
might
be.
I
think
you
not
only
did
it,
for
example,
but
we
may
have
removed
the
oculum
because
it
caused
some
problems.
I
I
can't
remember
exactly
with
that
and
we'd
like
like
everything.
It's
about
you
up
knowing
that
members,
what
the
options
are
you
know
with
bottle
banks
with
other
other
collects
and
banks,
and
because
it
wasn't
that
long
ago,
that
members
probably
came
to
us
more
to
say
they
wanted
them
moving
to
be
honest
because
they
were
a
problem,
whereas,
hopefully
the
tides
turned
a
little
bit
now,
and
actually
people
want
them
more
because
it's
obviously
better
for
the
planet
so
yeah.
I
So
I
think
we
need
to
come
back
chair
with
as
part
of
the
first
sort
of
baseline
of
well.
What
do
we
actually
already
offer
and
what
are
the
pros
and
cons
of
that
so
I'll
pick
that
up
from
that?
Is
that
good
all
the
questions,
oh
yeah,
we'll
be
able
to
yeah
we'll
call
that
yeah.
B
Thank
you
chair.
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions
actually
the
first
two
about
the
roof.
Could
you
just
confirm?
Does
all
our
black
bin
waste
go
to
the
roof
still
and
the
second
part
of
that
is:
do
they
give
you
any
sort
of
report
as
to
to
what
the
waste
is,
because
I'm
just
curious
as
to
what
percentage
of
the
waste
that
they
receive
is
glass?
B
We
because
we
don't
want
to
change
the
system
if
we
find
that
what's
going
to
the
roof,
there's
quite
a
low
percentage
of
glass
and
the
system
we
have
at
the
moment
is
already
working
so
and
then
the
second
thing
is,
I
know,
we're
not
looking
backwards,
but
the
from
the
reports
we've
had
regarding
miss
bins
in
the
past.
B
There
are
obviously
some
streets
missing
from
the
databases
that
you
have
because
those
streets
that
miss
don't
come
through
on
the
reports.
So
how
are
we
looking
to
to
update
the
databases
to
make
sure
every
household
is
included
on
those?
So
so
yes,
two
questions
on
the
roof
and
one
on
on
the
database.
We
use.
I
Okay,
so
to
come
back
on
the
earth,
we
we
sorry
the
olia
who
run
the
earth
for
the
council,
do
what's
called
a
composition
analysis
regularly,
but
it
is
not
a
particularly
it's
quite
high
level
composition,
analysis
and
I
need
to
go
back
and
look
at
that
in
terms
of
what
materials
they
identify
and
accuracy
that
we
believe
that
is,
but
we
do
do
that
and
we
can
provide
that
and
again
I
can
provide
that
if
you
want
it's
part
of
the
baseline
information,
what
we
would
want
to
do
is
a
is
a
more
detailed
composition
analysis.
I
But
it's
a
worthwhile
thing
for
someone
to
do
to
pay
someone
to
do
a
hesitation.
I
don't
want
to
do
that
job,
but
but
we
will
certainly
be
doing
that
yeah,
but
that
we
we
need
to
do
that
as
as
part
of
informing,
as
you
say,
the
strategies
that
that
to
make
sure
the
exact
reason
he
said
again,
my
gut
feeling
is
it
will
show.
There
is
a
lot
of
glass
still
in
the
in
the
black
bins,
but
at
least
it
shows
the
baseline,
and
then
we
can
always
do
that
again.
I
In
once,
we've
implemented
the
glass
collections.
If
we
do
and
then
say
well,
is
there
still
glass
in
the
bins
and
but
yeah?
But
we
do
do
that,
and
so
I
can
get
the
the
sort
of
high
level
analysis
and
then
I
forgot
on
the
first
part
of
the
question.
B
It
was
to
update
our
database
because
the
streets
that
get
missed
in
my
ward
that
are
never
reported
as
being
missed.
I'm
assuming
your
database
doesn't
have
those
households
on
there.
I
Yeah,
a
lot
of
us
have
discussions
about
this
in
the
past
and
I
think
the
the
truth
is
there's
a
variety
of
reasons
why
that
happens.
Where
this
is
not
recorded-
and
I
think
rarely
will
it
absolutely
be
about
the
fact
that
the
road
itself
isn't
on
this
on
the
database.
It'll
be
the
fact
that
perhaps
the
database
doesn't
realize
that
there
is
a
brown
bins
on
that
road,
for
example.
I
So
as
part
of
the
route
review
that
we're
doing
and
we're
going
to
restart,
hopefully
very
soon
in
october,
that
that
whole
redesign
of
all
the
collection
routes
across
the
city
will
pick
all
that
up.
I
So
we'll
look
again
at
all
the
roads
that
exist
that
are
on
the
database
of
the
councils
across
the
city
and
then
we'll
redesign
the
route
collections
across
the
whole
city
for
black
and
green
bins,
and
that
should
pick
up
any
roads
that
for
some
reason,
if
they
are
and
not
on
our
current
collection
routes.
But
as
part
of
that
process
and
one
of
the
reasons
we
suspended
it
over
the
pandemic
period.
I
Was
it's
really
crucial
to
involve
cruising
that
discussion
from
the
start
and
at
the
end,
but
also
members,
and
what
we'll
make
sure
is
that
as
part
of
that,
as
we
do
with
the
garden
roots,
we'll
we'll
we'll
be
meeting
with
yourselves
and
certainly
sending
you
maps
etc
of
the
the
roots
and
and
proposed
collection
days
towards
the
end
of
the
work?
So
again,
that's
another
way
that
you
can
pick
up
on
local
anomalies,
but
I'm
confident
that's
the
way
that
it'll
pick
up
all
the
misses
but
yeah.
I.
B
Just
want
to
make
a
statement
really
that
the
bins
I'm
talking
about
I've
emailed
refuse
services
about
last
couple
of
days.
They
are
black
bins,
though,
and
they've
been
missed
several
times
in
in
consent.
You
know
succession,
so
that
that's
why
I'm
just
a
bit
concerned
that
it
you
know
it's
a
database
issue
rather
than
a
anything
else,.
A
A
I
mean,
for
example,
there's
no
counselor
here
from
armley,
but
armley
is
actually
one
of
the
worst
wards
in
the
city
in
terms
of
miss
bins
based
on
the
information
I've
been
given.
So
I'm
trying
not
to
go
down
and
have
a
debate
about
it.
We
are
going
to
have
a
separate
set
session,
but
there
are
issues
that
some
streets
just
don't
seem
to
be
on.
I've
reported
some
in
my
water
and
they
tend
to
be
new
houses.
They
tend
to
be
new
houses.
A
That
planning
haven't
yet
got
round
to
agreeing
and
also
the
delivery
of
brown
bins.
The
residents
have
got
the
gardens,
they've
got
if
they
go
on
the
app
and
they
think
they've
done
their
postcode,
and
it
shows
that
they're
going
to
get
a
collection
but
they're
not
getting
brown
bins
delivered
to
them
yet
because
they're
sitting
in
the
site
office.
That's
where
so
it's
not
that
the
council
haven't
done
their
part.
It's
the
developer,
hasn't
passed
it
out.
So
we
are
going
to
hold
a
separate
session.
A
I'm
suggesting
a
separate
session
where
we
do
loop
backwards,
but
99
of
what
we're
about
to
undertake
hopefully,
is
looking
forward
as
to
how
we
can
improve
what
we're
we're
doing
so
yeah.
I
I
take
the
point
that
council
college
is
making,
because
again
we
can
all
probably
have
got
examples
in
our
own
areas
of
where
that's
happening.
So
that
said,
I've
now
got
council
brooks
and
counselor
richie.
D
Thank
you
chair,
so
I'm
just
gonna
go
back
to
the
the
potential
for
the
brown
bin
collections.
Having
food
waste
in
I've
got
a
I've,
got
a
few
questions
around
that
so
in
areas
where
there's
no
existing
brown
bin
infrastructure,
like
what
percentage
of
the
city
aren't
covered
with
brown
bin
infrastructure,
because
that's
obviously
going
to
be
a
big
push.
D
How
would
we
deal
with
well?
No
this.
This
is
a
two,
a
two-part
question,
so
in
the
city
center
some
buildings,
the
waste
is
dealt
by
with
by
private
contractors
rather
than
by
the
council,
and
I'm
I
mean
this
is
a
bit
crystal
bally.
D
But
would
would
the
government
extend
like
the
requirement
to
those
properties
for
the
council
to
have
to
sort
out
as
well
for
that,
because,
like
keeping
in
mind
that
a
lot
of
those
buildings
were
designed
way
way
before,
there
was
a
requirement
for
any
sort
of
recycling?
So
in
a
lot
of
buildings,
it's
just
not
the
space
to
have
additional,
like
even
a
green
bin,
let
alone
an
additional
brown
bin,
and
then
I
think
that
might
be
it
thanks.
D
It's
just
about
the
sort
of
gaps
and
like
what
we
can
do
about
especially
high
density
areas,
not
just
not
just
like
blocks
flats
but
also,
like
you
know,
back-to-back
houses
where
yeah.
Thank
you.
I
Okay,
going
through
the
chair,
thank
you,
council
for
those
questions.
Yeah
again,
just
to
just
to
be
really
clear.
We
aren't
actively
at
the
moment
developing
a
strategy
around
commingled
bins,
but
it's
something
that
we're
looking
at
together
with
other
options,
and
it
depends
what
the
government's
requirements
will
be,
what
the
letters
do
but
like,
as
I
say,
my
my
feeling
is:
that's
the
most
likely
way
that
we'd
probably
want
to
go
because
of
the
existing
infrastructures
there.
I
So
if
we
did
go
in
that
direction
in
terms
of
the
co-mingled
options,
you're
right,
what
we
currently
do
is
cover
about
two-thirds
of
the
city
through
brown
bins,
so
there's
roughly
350
60
000
households
in
the
city,
and
I
think
we
collect
from
about
220
000
round
bins.
So
there
will
be
a
third
of
the
city
that
don't
have
a
brown
bin
that
we'd
have
to
find
a
solution
for
so
that
would
be
part
of
what
we'd
have
to
build
up
in
terms
of
whatever
solution.
We
did
bring
forward,
you're,
absolutely
right.
I
That
therefore
needs
addressing
so
whether
we'd
look
at
where
that's
already
done
in
places
like
hall,
east
riding
et
cetera,
and
what
they've
done
there
could
be
some
easy
enough
solutions
to
bring
that
one-third
gap
down,
because
there
could
be
a
number
of
houses
that
probably
could
could.
I
could
get
a
brown
bin
and
would
want
one
if
they
know
they're
going
to
get
the
food
collected.
I
Even
though
they've
got
a
relatively
small
garden,
we
could
look
at
smaller
size
brown
bins
for
some
properties
that
just
predominantly
able
to
just
have
food,
and
then
that
would
probably
leave
another
gap,
then
of
whatever
it
would
be,
how
many
tens
of
thousands
of
houses
that
there
needs
to
be
another
solution
for
all.
We
can't
find
a
solution
for,
but
that
would
be
the
case
whether
it's
a
brown
bin,
co-mingled
or
not.
Whatever
solution
we
come
forward
with
we'd
have
to
look
at
caddies
or
or
some
form
of
bing
collection
anyway.
I
So
it's
it's
it's
whether
we
have
two
forms
of
solution,
but
those
that's
exactly
the
detail.
We
need
to
work
through
and
we'll
present
through
this
thing
inquiry
in
terms
of
the
options
and
the
pros
and
the
cons
and
look
at
how
it's
done
other
councils
and
what
works
doesn't
work
in
terms
of
city
center
yeah.
It's
not
all
entirely
private
contractors.
We
do.
I
We
do
collect
a
different
amount
as
well,
but
it's
a
really
good
point
and
part
of
the
the
government
strat
strategy
of
the
consortium
does
highlight
the
issue
of
what
they
would,
though,
is
high-rise,
dense,
housing,
densely
populated
housing
and
and
really
he
doesn't
really
offer
solutions
that
he
raises
the
that
question
that
you've
raised
really
what
the
consultation
is.
Well,
what
what
we
will
come
up
welcome
solutions
around
that.
So
there
isn't
an
answer
to
directly
to
your
question
at
the
moment.
I
But
again,
that's
something
we
would
seek
an
answer
and
some
clarity
note
that
comes
through
from
the
consultation
national
consultation
around
what
exactly,
because
that
will
be
an
issue
in
the
heart
of
london,
for
example,
and
sitting
in
a
lot
of
the
london
areas
as
well
as
other
big
cities,
particularly
it'll,
be
an
issue.
That's
not
just
unique
to
leeds
in
terms
of
what
what
is
going
to
be
legally
required.
I
I
suspect
that
they
may
relax
the
legal
requirement
for
those
types
of
properties
and
and
almost
declare
them
t
themselves
so
to
say
that
actually,
you
don't
have
to
come
forward
with
solutions
for
those
properties.
That
would
support
you
if
you
did.
But
that
again
is
me
crystal
balling
again,
I
think
with
the
the
detail
we
need
to
know
and
all
councils
across
the
country
really
need
to
know,
but
it
is
a
massive
issue
and
it's
not
just
in
leeds
around
the
high
rise.
It
gives
you
quite
right
to
mention
it's
around.
I
The
densely
populated
areas
where
it
leads
is
pretty
unique
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
terrace
housing
we
have
across
the
city
with
no
drives
and
very
little
front
or
back
gardens
or
yards
in
a
lot
of
instances.
So
the
obvious
areas
heading
the
high
part,
woodhouse
hair
hills,
the
obvious
ones
that
come
to
mind
in
terms
of
massive
areas
of
densely
populated
housing,
they're
a
struggle
for
us
now
to
get
to
in
terms
of
collecting.
I
But
if
you
add
an
extra
item
such
as
food
or
glass
into
that
mix
to
collect
from
areas
like
that,
it
does
pose
a
an
even
greater
challenge.
I'll
put
it
like
that,
that's
part
of
what
we
need
to
do
in
terms
of
coming
up
with
solutions
I
suggest
probably
what
we
will
end
up
doing
is-
is
the
low
hanging
fruit.
First,
let's
get
something
going:
let's
use
the
infrastructure,
we
have,
let's
get
it
to
the
majority
of
the
city,
but
looking
at
what
then
we
would
do
in
future
for
the
rest
of
the
city.
F
F
I
think
we
are
kind
of
on
the
on
the
very
much
on
the
front
seat
when
you,
if
we
go
down
that
route
or
if
the
government
goes
down
that
route,
given
we
we
are
one
well,
we
are
the
biggest
actually
when
it
comes
to
garden
waste
collection,
because
it's
free,
we
actually
collect
210
000.
The
the
biggest
authority
in
the
country
only
have
50
000
a
week
garden
waste
collection.
So
we
have
got
the
you
know.
Two-Thirds
of
the
properties
have
got
brown
bins,
so
I
think
we
will
be.
F
You
know
a
kind
of
if
we
or
if
the
government
goes
down,
that
we
will
be
on
the
on
on
the
very
much
on
the
front
seat,
to
kind
of
to
to
do
that,
unlike
many
of
the
local
authorities
would
like
to
kind
of
roll
all
that
out
but
yeah
it
will
be.
I
mean
whether
we
have
a
a
weekly
food
based
collection
or
or
co-mingling.
F
I
think
it
does
present
a
challenge.
It's
a
very
valid
point
for
some
of
our
inner
city
areas
where
people
haven't
got
gardens.
Where
do
you
actually
or
or
the
city
center
the
high
rises.
Then?
Where
do
you
put
the
additional
vince?
You
know
it's
it's
it's
it's
a
challenge
and
and
that's
something
I
think
together.
We
need
to
find
the
solutions
for
and
say
and
and
and
it
may
be,
that
we
start
somewhere
and
then
then
kind
of
you
know
expand
to
other
areas.
And
you
know,
as
we
find
solutions.
A
Thank
you
right.
I've
got
council
richie,
then
councillor
gabriel,.
D
F
The
terms
of
reference
you
made
it
clear
that
it's
about
looking
forward
and
not
back
and
certainly
john's
and
council
scopes
have
made
some
give
us
some
clear
steers
of
what
we
might
be
discussing
in
the
future,
but
just
to
help
that
process.
I
think
it
would
be
worth,
if
possible,
circulating
the
previous
reports
that
have
been
mentioned
to
see
what
areas
were
covered,
whether
it's
the
miss
spins
things
like
sideways,
I'm
sure
have
been
exploring.
F
Yes,
so
that
we
know
exactly
what
we
we're
not
looking
over
again
and
what
we've
heard,
what
we
are
going
to
be
looking
for
yep
nope.
B
A
It's
just
to
make
sure
that
the
terms
of
reference
are
correct
and
that
there's
nothing
should
be
added
into
the
terms
of
reference
or
any
areas,
because,
for
example,
one
of
the
questions
I've
got
is
have
we
got
anybody
at
defra
who
we
could
invite
to
any
of
these
sessions
so
that
we
can
try
and
get
some
clarity.
So
that
was
the
type
of
thing,
and
that
is.
A
B
Thank
you
chair
and
my
my
question
might
be
one
for
the
future
as
well,
but
if
we
do
go
down
the
road
of
doing
garden
waste,
would
you
be
able
to
put
the
garden
waste
in
a
plastic
bag
before
putting
it
in
the
bin,
because
I'm
just
mindful
that
if
you
tip
a
bin
with
with
food
wasting
sorry,
I
meant
food
waste.
It's
stickier,
it
doesn't
clear
the
bin
quite
as
easily,
and
it's
probably
going
to
be
smellier
long
term.
I
Certainly
to
have
that
discussion
with
you
as
members
to
understand
what
what
will
be
tolerated,
if
you
like,
with
in
your
areas
and
and
with
residents,
because
that's
kind
of
the
discussion
we've
had
previously
probably
a
few
years
ago
on
this
when
we've
raised
it
before
and
there's
that
tension
between
everybody
wants
to
recycle
more
and
do
the
right
thing,
but
nobody
seems
to
want
any
more
bins.
In
fact,
every
once
less
spins
you
know
the
utopia
is,
we
can
all
put
it
in
one
bin
and
it
all
imagines
it
gets
recycled.
I
C
Yeah
no
well
mine
is
then
about
in
terms
of
reference
for
the
future.
Could
we
make
sure
we
consider?
I
have
some
consideration
about
future
workforce
availability.
I
think
the
drivers
has
been
an
issue
and
you
know
not
going
back,
but
these
you
know
these
are,
and
obviously
I
think
hdv
drivers
is
a
huge
there's,
a
big
thing
in
the
times
about
lack
of
drivers
for
refuse
vehicles
nationally.
C
So
if
that
could
be
looked
at
and
then
also
in
the
terms
of
reference,
if
we
could
have
a
look
at
frequency
of
collections,
because
what
are
we
gaining,
we
might
lose
something.
What
might
that
be?
Might
that
be
a
monthly?
You
know
black
bean
collection
and
whether
you
know
we
would.
We
would
like
that
or
not
and
then
just
terms
of
my
board.
C
We
have
most
houses,
have
gardens
and
driveways,
but
they're,
not
very
big,
so
we
don't
want
necessarily
to
have
five
big
wheelie
bins
in
the
driveway.
I
don't
you
know
so
is
that
as
well
would
like
to
look
at
that.
H
Thank
you
chair
also,
if
I
can
just
add
that
the
in
the
future
discussion
should
be
on
green
bins.
For
example,
some
areas
in
the
city
are
still
lack
of
green
bins
at
all,
which
obviously,
on
one
hand,
we're
trying
to
promote
the
the
recycling.
In
the
other
hand,
we
we
don't
have
the
same
facilities
for
those
residents,
and
I
can
I
can
highlight
some
of
the
areas
in
my
own
world
and
with
regards
to
the
garden
waste
collection.
H
There
are
areas
with
with
the
huge
gardens
and
and
some
elderly
members
of
the
communities
living
in
those
states,
but
unfortunately
we
don't
have
the
same
provision
for
collections
of
the
any
brown
bins
in
those
areas.
So
I
think
for
the
future
reference.
H
I
think
we,
these
are
the
discussion
we
need
to
take,
because
if
you
are
a
single
parent
or
if
you're,
if
you're
quite
old
and
fragile-
and
you
know
it's
difficult
for
you
for
them
to
take
those
garden
waste
to
the
recycling
centers,
especially
over
the
last
18
months.
What
we
have
seen
chair
with,
even
though,
with
our
own
recycling
centers
people
had
to
book
online
and
etc,
etc.
So
has
been
some
issues.
H
So,
if
you
can,
please
take
those
two
issues:
green
bins,
where
it's
needed
in
the
city
and
also
the
brown
bins
with
the
we're
not
talking
about
the
properties
without
any
gardens,
we're
talking
about
the
properties
with
the
huge
gardens
in
in
our
in
our
council
of
states.
So
I
think
that
needs
to
be
considered.
Yep.
A
But
good
points
right
now,
the
so
the
issues
that
I
just
want
clarification
on,
I'm
not
suggesting
we
go
back
to
years
and
years
ago
when
we
had
a
west
yorkshire
collection
facility,
but
is
there
any
have
you
given
any
thought
as
to
whether
or
not
we
could
get
economies
of
scale
on
say,
an
anaerobic
digester
that
was?
Oh,
it
was
used
by
all
west
yorkshire
authorities,
so
in
other
words,
if
we
do
go
down
the
route
of
food
collection,
we
do
need
to
have
a
plant
somewhere.
A
Have
you
ever
had
any
discussions
about
that
one?
The
next
one
is
in
2005.
She
shows
you
how
long
I've
been
doing
looking
into
the
waste
strategy,
we
went
down
to
doncaster
now
at
doncaster,
they
it
was
the
their
part
of
their
waste.
Collection
was
run
by
a
third-party
organization,
but
they
also
collected
waste
separately
into
the
size
of
vehicles,
so
in
other
words
it
was
separated
out
and
then
it
was
put
into
little
compartments
in
the
side
of.
Is
that
model
yesterday's
model?
A
If
you
see
what
I
mean
and
not
something
that
that
you
would
suggest
nowadays,
so
we
start
with
that
one
and
I've
got
some
other
ones.
But
what
about
you
know
agreeing
a
market
for
some
of
those
products,
because
that's
going
to
be
an
issue
and
also
things
like
an
anaerobic
digester
has
any
thought
being
done
on
that
and
then
the
doncaster
model.
I
Thank
you.
Church
there's
been
a
limited
discussion
on
the
regional
lady,
but
again
I
can
feed
that
into
the
the
main
meetings
when
we
come
to
those
what
what
potential
options
there
are.
That
is
something
that
the
government,
I'm
sure,
would
be
pleased
to
see
more
of
and
support,
because
it
it
ticks
the
box
really
in
terms
of
the
infrastructure
a
little
bit
easier.
There
are
loads
of
a
lot
of
practical
and
logistical
reasons.
I
Why,
from
a
service
delivery
perspective
that
would
be
difficult
or
more
difficult,
simply
because,
where?
Where
would
it?
Where?
Where
is
it
located?
Everyone
would
look
like
one
located
near
them
from
a
service
living?
Perhaps
not
if
you
live
near
it,
but
you
know
if
there
was
a
regional
a.d
that
was
in
the
other
side
of
wakefield
or
bradford,
for
example,
that
would
add
to
the
costs
of
transport
and
also
our
impact
on
our
cabin
footprint
transport.
I
Although
we
are
looking
to
get
an
electric
fleet
as
soon
as
we
can
so
that
yeah,
that
is
a
potential
option,
but
my
own
view
at
the
moment
is
the
the
cons
probably
outweigh
the
pros
at
the
moment,
because
leeson
itself
is
a
huge
city.
You
know
second
biggest
outside
london
in
terms
of
refuse
collection
and
tonnages.
So
you
would
assume
we
would
have
the
capacity
to
to
on
our
own
and
then,
if
other
neighboring
councils
or
companies
wanted
to
use
it,
perhaps
they
could
similar
to
the
birth.
I
But
we
need.
We
don't
know.
Yet
is
the
answer
to
that,
because
we
don't
know
what
what
the
marketplace
is,
but
but
yes,
that
is
one
of
the
potential
options.
Yes,
certainly
that's
right,
the
the
doncaster
models
you
referred
to
it
from
quite
a
while
ago
that
that's
something
that
I'm
pretty
sure
we'll
talk
about
the
same
thing.
It's
to
say
the
vehicle,
where
you
have
a
number
of
waste
streams,
separated
collected
and
they're,
going
in
the
presentation
down
the
side.
I
They
use
extensively
whales,
for
example,
and
tend
to
be
used
in
in
councils
where
they
don't
have
the
density
and
that
the
city
sort
of
connotations
that
we
have
and
and
our
our
sort
of
feedback
from
that
is
that
there's
mixed
feedback
on
that
in
terms
of
more
expensive,
because
the
rounds
that
you
do
are
less
because
you
can
only
collect
less
tonnage
because
they
take
more
time
20.
There
is
the
key
issue,
then,
of
residents
customers
that
having
to
have
a
number
of
boxes.
I
So
again
you
could
only
really
introduce
that
leads
if
we
really,
as
collectively
as
members
and
and
officers,
thought
that
leeds
residents
would
would
work
with
that.
And
there
are
some
other
issues
potentially
emerging.
I
Although
I
I
would
need
to
do
some
more
work
on
this,
but
there
are
some
concerns
again
about
the
longer
term
effects
of
collecting,
like
that,
on
health
and
safety
and
and
on
staff,
because
it's
quite
a
repetitive
sort
of
bending
down
process
to
go
and
whereas
wheeling
have
been
out
pressing
a
button,
letting
it
go
in
still
a
hard
job
to
do
thousands
of
those
each
week.
But
it's
a
lot
easier
on
the
back
and
lifting,
as
you
can
imagine,
so
there
are
some
rumblings
around
that
as
a
longer
term
sort
of
issue.
I
A
How
are
we
going
to
include
planning
in
this
so
that
when
houses
are
being
designed
that
they're
building
it
with
refuge
collection
because
even
go
on
to
most
modern
estates
and
they've
not
got
the
space
to
put
all
these
bins
out?
So
that's
even
ones
that
were
built
say
in
the
last
year
or
two
they
don't
all
have
space.
A
So
how
are
we
going
to
work
with
planning
so
that
planning
is
part
of
the
design
process
of
these
estates,
because
again,
in
some
I've
seen
some
descriptions
of
where
you
would
actually
have
a
skip
that
effectively
goes
into
the
ground
and
you
tube
it
into
a
place.
You
then
come
along
and
pull
the
the
it
back
out
again
and
then
replace
it
now,
I'm
not
suggesting,
but
that's
the
type
of
model.
That's
that's
being
looked
at.
What?
A
How
do
we
incorporate
planning
into
this
because
they
are
a
vital
service
in
terms
of
getting
it
right,
because
otherwise
we're
going
to
be
in
the
same
problem?
We've
got
just
now.
We
need
to
retrofit
something
that's
being
done
just
now,
because
we're
changing
our
policies
in
a
year
or
two's
time.
So
how
do
we
incorporate
planning.
I
I
But
again
there
are
pros
and
cons
around
that
type
of
system,
both
in
terms
of
residents
accepting
that
they
won't
have
a
bin
in
the
future,
and
they've
got
to
work
what
potentially
quite
a
few
quite
a
distance
to
dispose
of
the
waste
every
time
they
need
to
throw
something
out,
but
that
that
could
work
better
on
new
estates,
because
the
principle
would
be
well.
I
You
bought
the
house,
knowing
that
was
the
way
that
you
get
rid
of
the
waste,
so
you
can't
complain,
they
don't
have
a
bin,
so
it'll
be
easy
to
introduce
on
new
estates.
So
that
is
an
option.
We're
potentially
looking
at
the
other
issue,
of
course,
again
I'll
feed
this
into
the
meetings
is
that's
fine,
but
the
discussion
we've
just
had
for
the
last
half
hour
now.
Is
we
don't
exactly
know
yet
what
we
will
be
collecting
separately
from
and
separating
out?
So
again,
it's
it's!
I
C
I
just
had
a
thought
about:
you
know:
elderly
people
and
disabled
people,
those
sorts
of
play,
that's
hot,
and
when
people
grow
older
in
the
house
and
become
disabled
once
I've
already
moved
in.
So
that's
just
tricky
whether
there's
options
that
we
could
look
at
as
to
sharing
the
bins
that
you
already
have
with
different
collections.
So
if
you
have
two
wheelie
bins
and
you
have
four
collections
for
different
things,
could
you
use
two
bins
for
different
reasons?
Does
that
make
sense?
So
you
only
have
two
bins
but
use
them
for
four
things.
C
I
Yeah
yeah
all
those
types
of
models,
and
we
did
visit
those
a
myriad
of
models
three
or
four
years
ago.
I
think
when
we,
I
think
we
came
to
screw
and
they
on
on
that
that
those
different
models,
those
different
options,
that
we
did
with
a
company
called
you
know,
but
we
can
revisit
that
and
bring
them
with
those
back
to
you
as
this
kind
of
the
discussion
we
started
to
get
into
now.
Everything
has
as
its
pros
and
cons
and
that's
a
good
point.
I
Council
childhood
around
the
scheme
that
potentially
could
be
done
where
you
have
a
more
communal
built
in
the
ground-based
way
of
getting
rid
of
race
exactly
right.
Well,
what
what?
What
happens
with
people?
We
currently
call
assisted
collections,
free
wheel
outs.
You
know
that
that
would
we
still
then
need
to
provide
them
with
the
bin
and
go
and
collect
their
bin
anyway
and
then,
as
you
say,
as
people
get
old
and
in
an
estate
what
happens
to
them.
So
it
that's
why?
I
A
During
the
day
when
they're
refused
vehicles
and
there's
already
problems
in
getting
the
refuse
vehicles
in
and
up
streets,
how
are
we
going
to
keep
highways
involved
in
any
new
proposals,
because,
again,
if
you've
got
it
was
another
council
from
kirksville
brought
it
to
my
attention?
The
last
time
we
were
inquiring
that
in
harward
there
was
a
problem
with
bins
being
left
on
the
pavements
you
know
so,
in
other
words,
if
you've
got
say
two
different
collections
occurring
on
one
day,
which
often
which
has
happened
in
some
locations.
A
I
So
if,
if
an
option
comes
forward
that
requires
four
or
five
bins,
then
there's
gonna
be
more
likelihood.
That's
going
to
cause
more
description
of
the
kind
that
you've
just
described.
So
that
would
be,
I
assume,
would
be
the
discussion
and
the
feedback
and
the
debate
that
would
happen
at
this.
That
part
of
the
scrutiny
discussion,
so
I
would
have.
I
would
suggest
that
that
is
just
part
of
the
focus
and
discussion
of
the
options
that
are
brought
forward,
rather
than
necessarily
being
a
specific,
separate
thing.
I
A
Yeah,
that's
fine.
The
next
one
is
on
housing.
We
did
start
paying
some
landlords
and
the
councils
themselves
to
clear
bin
yards,
but
there
was
never
sufficient
funding
to
actually
do
all
the
bin
yards.
We've
got
in
this
in
this
city.
How
do
we
keep
housing
involved
with
this?
Because
in
your
ward,
they
did
a
lot
of
good
work
in
terms
of
clearing
the
vineyards
which
has
transformed
the
areas,
absolutely
transformed
the
areas,
but
there
are
other
parts
where
the
bin
yards
haven't
yet
been
cleared
out
to
the
same
degree.
A
So
how
are
for
our
scrutiny
inquiry?
How
do
we
incor?
How
do
we
get
housing
involved
to
make
sure
that
they
start
putting
money
in
their
budget
to
help
the
landlord?
Some
landlords
would
be
willing
to
do
it
if
they
got
maybe
a
70,
60
50
grant
they'd
be
willing
to
do
it.
So
we've
got
to
make
a
decision
as
a
council
whether
or
not
we
would
fund
the
extras
to
do
it.
How
do
we
go
about
incorporating
this
into
our
inquiry?
If
we
get
some
of
the
services
you've
outlined.
I
And
I
think
this
to
me
falls
in
that
really
it's
around
actually
how
housing
and
landlords
and
others
take
responsibility
and
ownership
to
help
support
their
tenants
to
educate
them
and
to
incentivize
them
and
to
work
with
them
and
and
raise
that
as
a
priority
for
them
for
themselves
as
to
landlords
and
who
to
to
to
champion
this
really
I'd.
Look
at
it
more
that
way
around
myself
right
that
that,
within
the
inquiry,
we
need
to
look
at
how
we're
involving
people
in
this,
rather
than
just
doing
it
to
them.
Council
actor.
H
Chair
I'll
I'll
go
a
bit
further
than
what
we
just
said
rather
than
clearing
the
bin
yards.
H
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
some
sort
of
plan,
some
of
the
target
areas
where,
for
example,
those
bin
yards
have
been
used
as
a
flying
tipping
shall
we
say,
and
those
private
lands
are
taking
the
biscuit
of
local
communities,
don't
live
in
the
area,
but
obviously
don't
take
any
responsibilities,
and
I
think
we
need
to
find
a
solution
where
we
need
to
secure
some
of
those
vineyards
rather
than
having
them
open,
so
the
also
anti-social,
behavior
flying
tipping
and
and
the
illegal
activities
that
are
taking
place.
H
So
I
think,
on
the
on
the
long
term
chair,
I
think:
how
do
we
secure
those
vineyards?
Is
the
big
question.
A
Right
so
my
final
thing
is,
apart
from
defra:
what
other
external
partners
should
we
try
and
engage
in
the
past?
We
have
engaged
with
rap,
but
then
we
found
out
that
they
had
a
different
view
on
recycling
and
it
confused
people
with
their
messages
that
they
were
putting
out
because
we
used
different
color
bins
and
they
had
national
campaigns
telling
you
to
put
everything
in
one
color
bin
and
we
used
it.
We
used
that
color
bin
for
another
purpose.
B
A
B
To
see
the
green
doctor,
please
because
I
think
it's
a
lot
of
this
is
about
education
as
well
yeah.
So
I
think
we
need
to
educate
people
what
you
can
recycle,
what
you
can't
recycle
the
benefits
of
recycling
and
that
way,
hopefully,
you
know
we
can
engage
with
school
children,
because
if
we
teach
them
very
young,
they
typically,
you
know
continue
with
those
behaviors.
So
that's
what
I'd
like
to
say.
Thank
you.
A
I
In
terms
of
the
definite
suggestion,
I
can
certainly
have
a
discussion
with
death
threat
through
our
intermediary
that
we
we
discuss
issues
through,
they
do
have
a
regional
sort
of
representation,
and
I
can
discuss
whether
they
would
would
like
to
be
involved.
Certainly-
and
I
can
and
then
feed
that
back
to
you
chair
in
terms
of
the
contacts
and
what
response
they
get.
I
I
think,
in
terms
of
any
other
organizations
that
might
have
a
be
able
to
offer
some
expertise
or
potential
resource
in
the
future,
in
engagement
with
the
main
organization
we
work
through
third
section
wise
is
zero.
Waste
leads,
who,
I
think,
have
a
reasonably
good
reputation
across
the
city
in
terms
of
their
engagement,
have
helped
us
throughout
the
pandemic,
in
terms
of
trying
to
get
some
messages
across
in
a
non-council
way.
I
To
turn
to
people
like
that,
the
third
sector
intermediary
really.
So
they
might
be
quite
useful
to
involve
my
suggestion.
Okay,.
A
All
right
anybody
get
any
other
questions
or
suggestions
or
enhancements.
They
want
to
make
to
the
terms
of
reference,
if
not
right.
So
what
we
will,
I
will
move
this
forward
is
we
will
have
a
working
group
meeting
where
we
will
have
a
chance
to
look
back
at
the
base
and
try
and
develop
a
baseline
as
to
where
we
are
so
that's
in
terms
of
looking
at
the
volumes
that
were
pre-covered
and
the
volumes
we've
got
just
now
and
where
we
think
the
volumes
might
be
coming
up
once
we've
come
out
of
not
that.
A
Well,
I
don't
think
we'll
ever
get
the
far
out
I've
covered
totally
but
a
degree
of
normality.
Whatever
the
new
norm
is,
let's
put
it
that
way.
I
think
we
need
to
look
and
try
and
assess
or
try
and
get
a
feeling
for
what
the
new
norm
is
and
what
impact
that
would
have
on
this.
Your
ability
to
deliver
the
service
and
if
we've
then
got
serious
enhancements
on
top
of
that,
that's
going
to
increase
the
amount
of
waste
arisings
even
more
because
again,
glass.
A
I
have
large
glass
bins.
As
you
know,
in
my
ward,
you
know,
would
you
still
keep
those
with
some
of
the
banks?
The
bottle
banks
still
be
in
existence
because
again
they
are
sometimes
a
vital
service,
albeit
you
know
that
some
pubs
and
clubs
can
use
as
a
result
of
it,
and
it's
a
quid
pro
quo
because
we've
given
them
the
they've
given
us
the
location
and
we
can
then
let
them
use
our
bottle
banks.
A
So
we
need
to
all
these
things,
I
think,
are
vitally
important
in
terms
of
whatever
way
forward,
because
we've
fought
hard
on
some
supermarkets
to
get
them
to
allow
us
to
go
on
there
and
it'd
be
a
pity
if
we
lost
the
site.
If
you
see
what
I
mean
because
we've
introduced
a
service,
a
lot
depends
on
who
delivers
the
service
as
well.
A
But
so
in
that
case,
are
we
happy
then,
to
approve
the
terms
as
set
out
and
amended,
and
we
will
the
first
one
we'll
have
as
a
working
group
on
the
current
performance
and
then
we'll
get
dates
in
the
diaries
for
any
other
working
groups
and
for
any
formal
meetings
we'll
be
using
through
these
meetings.
A
We
need
to
nominate
two
people
to
go
on
the
strategy
and
resources
scrutiny
board.
Counselor
howley
has
volunteered.
Are
you
wanting
to
go
and
as
well
council
reagan?
That's
fine.
A
Can
we
stretch
it
to
three
so
that
I
can
come
along
right
right,
good,
that's
fine
and
have
you
nominated
your
two
people
yet
that
are
or
three
two
or
three
that
are
coming.
G
A
Fine
thank
you
now.
Councilor
chapman
has
written
to
me
asking
for
an
inquiry
on
behalf
of
the
liberal
democrat
group
on
the
impact
of
the
waste,
the
current
performance
of
the
waste
strategy.
A
I
have
said
at
this
stage:
no
because
we
will
have
this
working
group
session
instead.
So
do
I
have
your
support
that
that's
the
best
way
of
dealing
with
that
particular
one.
Okay,
good
and
presumably
you're
happy
as
well.
That's
the
way
that
it's
going
to
be
dealt
with,
yep
good!
That's
fine!
Right!
In
that
case,
thank
you
very
much.
I
don't
think
there's
anything
out
of
the
bedroom.
I've
forgotten!
A
F
I
think
I
think
just
about
you
know
everything's
been
covered,
I'm
just
just
a
you
know.
I
think
which
we've
touched
on
towards
the
end
is,
I
think,
unless
we,
you
know
change,
you
know
our
mentality
around
recycling,
no
matter
what
infrastructure
we
put
in
place,
we're
not
going
to
achieve
the
target,
so
I
think
there's
got
to
be
a
both
of
locally
and
nationally.
There's
got
to
be
a
debate,
a
big
kind
of
focus,
point
for
public
to
kind
of
think
about
what
they
could
do.
A
A
There
was
an
idea
that
we'd
be
meeting
beforehand,
but
there
were
you
know,
I'm
not
meaning
this
disrespectfully,
but
there
wasn't
much
on
the
exec
board
coming
forward
with
proposals
yesterday,
so
there
didn't
seem
much
point
in
having
a
meeting
just
for
the
sake
of
it.
So
will
we,
the
major
items,
will
be
coming
forward
in
november.
I
think
it's
november
of
december's,
unless
of
course,
council
rafique
is
wanting
to
give
us
any
of
his
secrets.
A
So,
okay,
so
the
next
meeting
is
on
the
21st
of
october
pre-meeting
at
10
o'clock,
starting
at
10
30,
and
the
other
thing
was
that
the
november
meeting
will
be
a
virtual
meeting
as
well.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
and
effort
and
thank
you
for
coming
along
and
hopefully
we
can
get
the
site
visit
issues
sorted
out
by
the
next
time
we
meet.