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A
Before
I
started
before,
I
asked
members
of
the
board
to
introduce
themselves
just
wanted
to
go
through
for
the
benefit
of
the
public.
A
few
notes,
the
public
section
of
this
meeting-
is
being
webcast
via
youtube
and
following
and
and
that
can
be
accessed
following
links
on
the
meeting
webpage.
A
But
I
assume
that
anybody
who's
witnessing
the
meeting
has
already
done
that
anyway,
having
successfully
conducted
remote
consultative
meetings
in
june,
scrutiny
chairs,
including
myself,
recommended
that
the
same
approach
was
taken
for
the
july
cycle
of
meetings
and
that's
because
of
the
extension
really
of
the
national
curve
in
19
restrictions
in
july,
which
meant
the
local
health
and
safety
advice
remained.
Regarding
the
logistics
of
physical
meetings,
including
the
90-minute
time
limit
and
reduced
accommodation
capacity.
A
The
key
point,
I
suppose,
is
under
the
consultative
arrangements.
We
will
not
legally
be
able
to
take
any
formal
decisions,
and
some
of
the
usual
formalities
that
are
normally
contained
within
our
meeting
agenda
will
not
take
place
at
the
start
of
the
meeting
and,
ultimately,
any
recommendations
that
we
make
will
be
will
require
formal
ratification
and
those
will
have
to
be
referred
for
formal
approval
at
the
next
physical
meeting
of
the
board
right.
A
A
Okay,
I
think
having
slightly
preempted
the
agenda,
I
am
now
going
to
invite
members
of
the
board
to
introduce
themselves
and
I'll
go
through
those
alphabetically.
So
we
start
with
counselor
jonathan
bensley.
A
A
The
next
council
alphabetically
would
be
councillor
bob
gettings,
but
he
contacted
us
this
morning
to
indicate
that
he
will
not
be
able
to
attend
for
for
personal
reasons.
So
the
next
member
is
jacob
goddard.
A
Hi
councillor
arif
hussein.
D
Good
morning
everybody
councillor
alexis
and
from
gipton
and
hair
hills.
A
Not
joining
the
meeting
and
I'm
councillor
paul
truswell,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
scrutiny
board
and
I
represent
middleton
and
belle
isle.
Okay.
So
moving
on
to
the
notes,
I
will
ask
the
officers
and
executive
board
members
to
introduce
themselves
before
the
specific
item
for
which
they're
in
in
attendance.
So
moving
on
to
gender
item.
Two
we've
got
the
notes,
not
minutes,
but
the
notes
of
the
last
meeting
so
I'll
go
through
and
if
anyone's
got
any
matters
arising
from
those
or
any
corrections
or
amendments.
A
A
It's
been
the
practice
of
this
scrutiny
board,
as
with
many
others
not
to
have
co-opted
members,
unless
we
feel
that
that
would
be
helpful
in
terms
of
a
specific
inquiry
or
a
specific
agenda
item-
and
my
recommendation
would
be
is
that
we
continue
that
practice.
If
that's
okay
with
remembers,
I
see
nods,
I
don't
see
any
descent.
A
Okay,
that
takes
us
on
to
agenda
item
four
and
I
think
we've
got
a
presentation
from
eve
rudows.
So
if
the
officers,
including
eve,
can
introduce
themselves
before
eve
kicks
off
on
that,
please
so
eve.
F
Good
morning,
chair
good
morning,
everybody,
my
name's
eve
rudos,
I'm
the
chief
officer
for
cultural
economy,
and
I
have
my
colleague
fiona
bowling
with
me.
Who's
also
going
to
be
contributing
to
the
presentation
fiona.
What.
A
F
Excellent,
let
me
just
share
some
slides
if
I
may
get
them
on
the
screen.
Everyone,
okay,
to
see,
see
those
and
I'll
just
get
them
on
full
screen
as
well.
Yeah
everyone,
okay
to
see
those
yeah,
it
looks
fine,
lovely!
Thank
you.
So
obviously,
we've
we've
submitted
a
report
to
scrutiny,
but
we
thought
would
be
helpful,
given
the
nature
of
this
topic,
to
also
do
some
slides
to
talk
through
what
we'll
do
through
the
presentation
is.
F
Give
you
the
context
for
the
piece
of
work,
we'll
give
you
an
overview
of
the
different
work
streams
that
are
being
undertaken
for
this
piece
of
work,
some
progress
updates
and
giving
you
a
sense
of
the
direction
of
travel
and
the
next
steps
in
terms
of
what
we'll
be
doing
between
now
and
september,
in
particular,
when
we
will
be
taking
an
executive
board
report
on
this
topic.
F
So
in
terms
of
setting
ourselves
in
in
context,
we
we,
when
we
think
about
our
own
personal
experience,
know
that
covered
19
has
really
changed
the
way
that
we
think
about
place,
how
we
use
our
spaces
as
well
as
how
we
travel
work
and
shop.
So
many
of
us
today
are
taking
part
in
this
meeting
from
home,
which
isn't
something
we
would
have
done
before.
F
So
flexible
working
and
working
from
home
was
there
for
certain
businesses
and
certain
parts
of
the
economy
before
covid.
But
we've
seen
a
huge
increase
in
that
and
changes
also
in
the
way
that
people
are
spending
their
their
leisure
time
and
why
they
want
to
come
into
city
and
local
centres
and
in
some
cases
really
within
the
first
six
months
of
kovid
19.
F
Back
in
the
autumn,
when
we
published
the
economic
recovery
framework,
we
said
that
one
of
the
things
we
needed
to
do
was
reset
and
renew,
and
in
resetting
renewing
thinking
about
some
of
these
big
issues
and
that
kicked
off
this
piece
of
work
around
understanding,
the
future
of
city
and
local
centres.
And
that's
why
we've
been
doing
a
number
of
pieces
of
work
to
make
sure
that
we
get
our
heads
around
what
we
need
to
do
collectively
in
leads
so
to
set
up
the
work
streams
that
we've
been
working
on
together.
F
The
first
work
stream
is
one,
that's
actually
been
primarily
led
by
the
core
cities
and
key
cities,
networks
of
which
leeds
is
a
part.
F
So
earlier
this
year,
the
core
and
key
cities
commissioned
an
organization
called
metrodynamics
to
undertake
work,
which
was
to
look
at
the
future
of
urban
centers
and
leeds
was
chosen
as
the
case
study
for
a
core
city
and
the
report,
which
is
included
as
an
appendix
in
the
papers
today
was
published
in
may,
and
it
presents
findings
and
recommendations
from
the
work
that
took
place
between
january
and
may
it
framed
really
a
headline
offer
to
government
setting
out
how
the
36
quorum
key
cities
could
deliver
at
least
an
additional
89
billion
a
year
into
the
economy.
F
The
second
work
stream
was
around
a
public
survey
for
members
of
the
public
and
businesses
to
complete
it
launched
in
mid-february,
and
it
ran
over
a
six
weeks
period,
which
we
received
during
that
time,
over
1
300
responses
and
fiona
is
going
to
talk
through
the
findings
of
that
survey.
A
little
later
on
in
our
presentation.
F
The
third
work
stream
was
a
piece
of
work
that
we
appointed
arab,
who
were
talking
about
earlier,
so
arapah
a
consultancy
business
and
we
appointed
them
to
help
us
with
some
lead
specific
research.
F
Their
brief
was
to
understand
how
the
city
of
leeds
and
its
local
centers
can
adapt
to
the
long-term
transformational
changes
and
challenges
over
the
next
10
years.
So,
unlike
the
metro
dynamics,
work
work,
which
was
general
across
all
cities,
this
piece
of
work
is
specific
to
us.
The
report
is
not
yet
finalized,
but
we
are
able
to
share
what
work's
been
undertaken
and
some
findings
which
we'll
highlight
too
they
through
their
report
of
group.
F
What
question
and
finally,
just
touching
on
engagement,
this
piece
of
work
clearly
is
cross-discipline
across
council,
and
so
fiona
has
led
regular
discussions
with
officers
from
right
across
the
council,
including
connecting
leads
planning
culture
and
the
green
agenda.
F
We've
spoken
to
members
and
through
our
inclusive
growth
ambassadors
and,
of
course,
we've
got
a
conversation
today
and
there
was
some
stakeholder
engagement
undertaken
as
part
of
arabs
work,
and
we
intend
to
continue
to
engage
with
members,
partners
and
stakeholders
throughout
this
work
and
beyond,
because
it's
clear
that
this
is
going
to
be
an
ongoing
theme.
So
that's
a
summary
of
all
the
work
streams
and
I'll
just
move
on
to
give
a
quick
counter
through
the
metrodynamics
work
and
the
arab
work.
F
So
the
metro
dynamics
work.
You
can
see
the
report
in
the
annex,
but
the
key
points
to
take
away
are
that
large
urban
centres
are
most
affected
by
the
covid
9
15
pandemic
and
will
be
the
slowest
to
recover
and
the
covert
19
crisis
has
disproportionately
affected
more
deprived
neighborhoods.
This
is
something
obviously
we've
seen
through
our
health
colleagues,
but
the
metrodynamics
report
looks
at
it
through
the
economic
lens
and
city
centres
are
presented
as
focal
points
for
innovation
and
complex
economic
activity,
which
presents
us
with
an
opportunity
in
recovery.
F
The
in
increasing
employment
and
exporting
businesses
will
help
close
the
productivity
gap
that
was
mentioned
earlier.
High
streets
need
to
adapt
to
suit
new
purposes,
which
I
think
you
know
we
we
we're
very
aware
of,
and
we've
talked
about
this
scrutiny
before,
and
there
are
huge
opportunities
for
city
in
the
transition
to
net
zero.
So
nothing,
that's
necessarily
radically
away
from
some
of
the
things
we've
been
thinking
about
before,
but
hopefully
brought
together
with
all
of
the
core
cities.
F
What
the
the
this
is
from
the
metro
dynamics
report
and
really
essentially
the
key
things
to
to
sort
of
note,
is
that
we,
we
saw
empty
city
centers
as
an
iconic
sort
of
symbol
of
the
pandemic
disruption,
and
we
know
that
workers
and
shoppers
stayed
away
from
city
centres
and
we
sort
of
seeing
long-term
trends.
Switching
like
online
sale.
Sales
for
retail
went
from
20
in
february
2020
to
35
by
february
2021,
and
so
it's
just
interesting
to
see
that
presented
in
the
report.
F
And,
of
course,
if
you
take
a
look
at
detail,
you
can
get
into
some
more
of
the
nuances
in
that
report
and
then,
finally,
their
conclusion
around
the
inclusive
renewal
for
the
metro
dynamics
report.
Their
themes
are
around
creating
and
supporting
good
work,
driving
innovation,
building
resilience
into
our
economy,
pivoting
to
net
zero
and
the
opportunities
around
that
catalysing
city,
livability
and
health
improvement
and
wider
public
service
reform,
and
they
provide
some
frameworks
for
how
cities
can
think
about
that.
F
In
the
towards
the
end
of
the
report
and
just
a
little
note
to
say
on
the
kind
of
opportunities
around
net
zero,
we
will
be
doing
a
piece
of
work
later
in
the
year
to
try
and
quantify
that
from
an
economic
perspective.
Once
we've
got
the
bulk
of
this
work
out
of
the
way
through
the
policy
team,
okay,
so
the
work
from
arab,
so
quick
overview
of
this
now
so
just
to
recap,
we
were
asking
them
to
look
at
the
long-term
transformational
changes
across
leeds.
F
This
was
specific
to
leeds
their
activities,
included
research
and
bringing
international
perspectives
into
our
thinking.
It's
included
a
workshop
with
a
small
number
of
stakeholders
across
the
city
and
a
detailed
session
with
council
offices.
It
goes
beyond
the
work
of
metrodynamics,
as
I
said,
and
we
expect
the
final
report
to
sort
of
be
with
us
imminently,
but
the
conclusions
are
really
broadly
in
line
with
the
three
council
pillars
of
inclusive
growth,
health
and
well-being
and
addressing
the
climate
emergency
or
retrieving
zero.
F
Just
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
a
flavor
of
what
we
kind
of
expect
to
sort
of
see
in
the
final
report.
Some
of
the
examples
of
the
key
findings
changing
working
patterns,
potentially
posing
a
risk
to
the
economic
growth
and
business
activity
that
we've
seen
in
recent
years
in
the
city
centre.
So
the
agglomeration
of
jobs
around
knowledge.
Intensive
businesses
like
digital
businesses,
has
been
one
of
the
key
success
factors
for
the
city
centre
in
the
last
last
few
years
and
we'll
need
to
watch
and
see
how
that
develops
going
forwards.
F
The
role
of
center
is
needing
to
potentially
be
about
more
than
retail
and
again
set
against
that
a
real
opportunity
for
culture
and
leisure
as
part
of
the
future
of
centers,
and
I
joined
a
session
last
week
where
I
was
talking
to
some
colleagues
from
smaller
towns
and
cities,
who
are
very
much
proactively
looking
at
how
they
can
introduce
culture
into
their
towns
to
sort
of
help.
F
With
this
balancing
off,
I
think
one
of
the
strengths
in
leeds
is
that
we
have
got
a
really
strong
cultural
sector
right
across
the
city
and
a
lot
of
fantastic
cultural
community-based
organizations,
as
well
as
big
cultural
institutions
in
the
city
centre,
and
I
think,
there's
a
chance
for
us
to
think
about
how
we
capitalize
on
that.
To
help
with
this
revival,
successful
centers
are
going
to
be
really
important
to
enabling
leads
to
respond
to
climate
change,
and
the
council
has
an
important
role
in
leadership
and
enabling
some
of
these
changes.
F
Some
potential
areas
for
action,
which
obviously
we
kind
of,
will
be
finalizing
their
report
and
then
converted
into
some
of
the.
So
what
questions
for
us
curating
a
diverse
mix
of
uses
to
attract
people
back
to
the
city
centre,
capitalizing
on
culture
and
creative
industries,
as
I
mentioned,
to
bring
people
together,
shape,
place
and
identity
and
support
communities
right
across
the
whole
of
our
local
authority
area.
So
in
all
of
our
towns
and
districts.
F
Thinking
about
the
15-minute
city
and
the
19-minute
region
concept,
particularly
in
relation
to
addressing
the
climate
emergency,
bringing
nature
and
new
and
improved
green
spaces
into
centres
and
leading
and
convening
creating
partnerships
and
mobilizing
people
so
you'll
see
some
of
these
themes
come
through
as
we
start
to
shape
up
the.
So
what
piece?
F
In
terms
of
the
next
steps
we
know,
we've
got
opportunities
and
challenges,
and
we're
well
placed
to
build
on
our
strong
partnerships
to
address
them,
and
there
is
an
opportunity
that
is
now
there
for
us
to
really
sort
of
galvanize
with
communities
to
create
visions
for
centres
where
we
build
broad-based
coalitions
for
positive
change.
F
At
the
same
time,
think
we
need
to
be
realistic
about
what
resources
we've
got
and
therefore
be
creative
about
how
those
how
those
coalitions
can
be
built
and
affected
and
we'll
be
working
over
the
summer
to
to
bring
together
all
of
the
pieces
of
work.
I've
just
mentioned
in
the
piece
that
fiona
is
going
to
go
through
into
the.
So.
What
question
for
the
exec
board
report
right
over
to
fiona
now.
E
Thank
you
eve,
so
I'm
going
to
take
you
through
some
of
the
headlines
from
the
survey
we
undertook
earlier
this
year.
The
council
research
team
has
analyzed
a
statistically
valid
sample
of
the
responses
and
we've
looked
through
all
of
the
comments
that
were
actually
received
in
the
survey
just
to
caveat
on
some
of
this.
This
work
was
carried
out
during
the
second
lockdown,
so
I
think
we
need
to
be
mindful
of
that.
E
When
we're
looking
at
the
results,
we
asked
people
to
tell
us
their
views
on
how
they
thought
they
would
work,
spend
and
travel
over
the
next
12
months
and
then
out
to
the
next
two
to
three
years,
and
we
offered
people
the
option
for
telling
us
about
the
city
centre,
their
local
center
or
both,
and
the
majority
of
people
told
us
about
both
centers
next
slide.
Eve.
E
So
if
I
look
at
local
centers,
first
people
are
tending
to
visit
their
local
centers
for
retail
hospitality
and
meeting
friends,
and
this
is
likely
to
increase
slightly
or
stay
the
same
over
the
next
three
years
and
it's
expected
to
return
to
pre-covert
19
level.
E
So
it's
it
is
quite
a
positive
sort
of
message
that
we're
hearing
in
general
about
local
centers
over
the
next
12
months,
87
percent
of
people
said
they
would
visit
more
all
the
same
and
there's
very
few
people,
so
10
think
they'll
visit
less
actually
so
there's
a
there
is
a
real
difference
there
and
real
positive
messages
around
local
centers.
Next
slide,
please.
E
So
this
is
about
the
city
center,
and
I
think
this
is
slightly
different.
So
in
the
next
three
years
people
will
visit
less
for
work
more
for
culture,
theater,
hospitality
and
they'll
visit,
broadly
the
same
for
leisure,
retail
and
meeting
friends
and
there's
a
stat
in
there
about
that.
We've
looked
at,
which
is
95,
currently
visit
the
city
center
less
than
before.
E
Corbett,
given
that
this
was
taken
in
a
lockdown,
I
think
we
have
to
kind
of
obviously
keep
that
in
mind
and
people
are
expecting
to
visit
either
so
45
would
visit
either
more
or
the
same.
I'm
highlighting
sort
of
the
the
fact
around
lockdown
and
when
this
was
taken
because
as
we
unlocked
and
when
the
covert
numbers
certainly
were
lower
than
they
are
today,
footfall
had
started
to
recover
so,
but
it
did
remain
below
2019
levels.
E
I
think
around
about
somewhere
between
10
and
20
percent
lower
on
a
weekend
lower
during
the
week.
So
footfall
has
gone
down
a
little
bit
as
numbers
have
gone
up,
but
the
conversations
we've
had
with
retail
have
actually
been
really
positive,
so
in
terms
of
footfall
being
slightly
down,
spend
was
actually
up,
particularly
in
that
high
end
retail.
E
So
I
think
there
has
been
a
real
confidence,
certainly
in
the
retail
side,
about
returning
to
the
city
center.
We're
gonna
need
to
see
how
that
pans
out
over
the
next
few
weeks,
and
we
are
checking
to
see
whether
leeds
is
in
line
with
similar
cities
across
the
uk
at
the
moment
as
well.
E
Next
slide,
please
working
patterns.
This
is
really
as
you'd
expect
and
we've
seen
this
played
out
sort
of
across
the
country,
but
in
leeds
people
are
expecting
to
work
from
home,
more
part
of
the
time
and
move
to
more
blended
models
of
working,
and
this
is
most
definitely
in
line
with
conversations.
We've
also
had
with
our
top
150
businesses
across
the
city
and
the
conversations
that
we've
had
with
those
businesses.
We
are.
E
What
we're
being
told
is
that
people
are
moving
to
a
combination
of
office
and
home
working
that
is
dependent
on
their
business
and
within
their
business
on
individual
services,
so
it
pretty
much,
it
does
depend
on
whether
that
is
doable
or
not.
It
is
also
worth
remembering,
and
we've
got
a
figure
in
there
from
west
yorkshire
that
57
of
workers
in
west
yorkshire
are
in
their
usual
workplace
and
were
when
this
was
happening.
I
don't
think
we
have
that
bigger
for
leads,
but
I
can
check
post
this
meeting.
E
What
we
do
know
is
that
in
leads
more
people
who
can
work
from
home,
there
are
more
people
who
can
work
from
home
compared
to
other
parts
of
west
yorkshire.
However,
keep
in
mind
that
we
have
an
awful
lot
of
people
in
later
work
in
the
nhs
and
in
healthcare
and
they
are
in
their
current
places
of
work.
Okay
next
slide
so
spending.
This
is
one
of
those
areas
where
what
we're
seeing
is
a
long-term
trend
that
has
speeded
up
considerably
in
the
last
18
months.
Spending
online
is
not
going
away.
E
We
all
have
you
know
the
amazon
delivery
and
other
yeah
other
retailers
are
available.
Obviously,
the
challenge
in
particular
for
our
city
center
is
for
retail
to
make
their
offer
distinctive
and
different
from
what
you're
going
to
get
online.
So
I
think
that's
what
we're
going
to
be
seeing,
probably
more
of
over
the
next
year
to
18
months.
E
So
we
did
ask
questions
around
travel
and
I
am
really
conscious
that
the
transport
team
have
done
an
awful
lot
more
work
in
this
area,
but
we
wanted
to
kind
of
test
some
of
this.
While
we
had
the
opportunity
within
this
survey
and
the
main
messages
that
we've
had
back
from
travel,
are
you
know
if
people
used
a
car
before
they're
going
to
continue
to
do
so?
That
was
one
sort
of
clear
message
that
came
out.
E
There
were
some
positive
messages
around
walking,
so
walking
has
increased
and
we
think
this
will
continue
to
do
so
over
the
next
12
months.
That's
what
people
are
reporting,
although
we're
seeing
that
sort
of
potentially
tailing
off
and
but
still
greater
than
before.
The
biggest
change
that
we've
seen-
and
this
is
sort
of
a
known
issue-
is
around
bus
usage,
so
drop
from
twenty
percent
to
five.
E
E
We
think,
but
there's
an
awful
lot
more
work
done
being
done
around
all
of
these
issues
with
our
transport
team
and
finally,
on
this
slide,
you
know
small
growth
in
cycling.
That
was
the
other
thing.
That's
on
there
and
next
slide,
please.
I
know
eve
has
mentioned
this,
but
I
did
just
want
to
kind
of
briefly
touch
on
the
work
that
we're
doing
for
with
our
head
partnerships.
When
we
did
the
survey
everybody
who
took
part
in
that
survey
were
adults,
so
this
was,
you
know
we
have
got
a
breakdown
of
ages.
E
These
are
people
who
won't
work
in
age
and
people
who
are
retired
and
actually
what
we
were
not.
What
we
were
missing
was
that
voice
of
young
people
within
some
of
this.
So
that's.
Why
we're
doing
some
of
the
work
with
the
head
partnership
and
to
understand
really
what
young
people
think
about
their
centers,
but
we're
doing
it
in
a
very
different
way?
This
is
a
much
more
creative
sort
of
way
of
doing
this,
and
so
we're
putting
together
a
challenge,
drug
resource
pack.
I've
seen
we're
putting
together.
It
has
actually
been
done.
E
It
is
out
now
asking
young
people
to
find
their
center
and
show
us
the
centers
through
their
eyes
and
we're
asking
them
about
what
they
think
is
really
good
about
the
center.
What
could
be
improved
and
what
are
their
hopes
for
the
future
and
we're
inviting
people
the
young
people
to
respond
quite
creatively,
so
you
know
they
could
give
us
a
photo
series.
They
could
give
us
an
interview,
drawings,
artwork,
a
poem
whatever
they
want
to
do.
You
know
we
want
to
kind
of
hear
through
their
hear
their
views
through
there.
E
The
challenge
has
been
launched
in
the
last
week
and
entries
can
be
submitted
until
mid-september
and
we'll
be
doing
some
communications
with
her
partnership
around
this.
Everything
will
be
considered
really
carefully
and
a
group
of
shortlisted
entrants
will
be
invited
to
a
young
voice
event
at
the
end
of
september
and
we're
anticipating
that
this
challenge
will
be
completed
by
october.
E
Okay,
eve
back
to
you.
F
Thanks
fiona
and
chair,
this
is
the
final
slide,
so
just
to
wrap
up
really
to
talk
about
what
our
next
steps
are.
So
I
mentioned
earlier
the
officer
group
which
fiona's
been
pulling
together
across
the
council,
and
that
group
has
been
really
successful
and
will
continue
on
an
ongoing
basis
to
explore
these
issues
and
once
we're
clear
on
the
so
what
questions
and
the
actions
we
want
to
take?
It's
likely.
It
may
also
support
some
of
the
taking
some
of
those
actions.
F
The
head
partnership
workers
fiona
mentioned,
will
run
through
to
october
in
terms
of
our
communication
and
game
engagement
plan.
We
want
to
continue
to
engage
with
elected
members
and
senior
officers
and
although
there
will
be
an
executive
board
report
in
september,
that
won't
be
the
end
of
the
discussions
around
this
topic,
because
it'll
be
an
ongoing
area
of
interest
so
that
board
report
should
be
at
this
will
be
at
the
september
board,
and
then
we
anticipate
returning
to
the
scrutiny
board
to
update
you
on
further
work
undertaking
around
over
the
coming
coming
months.
A
Okay,
thanks
very
much
eve
and
fiona:
do
any
members
have
questions
if,
while
you're
cogitating
on
that
I'll
set
the
ball
rolling,
could
it
just
confirm-
and
perhaps
it
is
in
there,
but
were
all
the
surveys
undertaken
online,
because
obviously
that
means
that
people
a
are
self-selecting
and
and
b.
A
Those
who
are
not
familiar
with
the
mechanics
of
online
consultation
are
probably
excluded
from
this,
and
obviously
the
board
is
very
interested
in
the
whole
issue
of
digital
inclusion,
an
exclusion
I'll
I'll
ask
a
couple
more,
the
very
helpful
appendix
regarding
the
fine.
Your
center
competition
also
lists
all
the
centers
within
leads,
and
clearly
they
cover
a
huge
spectrum
of
size
from
the
very
smallest
sort
of
almost
row
shops
to
to
something
much
more
substantial.
A
F
A
F
Were
in
lockdown
and
so
realistically
officers
we
couldn't
run
events
in
centers,
as
you
might
have
done.
If
you
wanted
to
do
some
engagement
sessions
across
the
city,
I
think
that's
something
for
us
to
bear
in
mind
in
the
ongoing
engagement
around
the
future
of
the
city
and
local
centers,
for
us
to
to
take
on
board
councillor
as
well
and
and
then
in
terms
of
the
prioritization
question,
we
don't
have
any
we,
we
haven't
sort
of
determined
a
particular
formula
or
or
explored
a
particular
form
formula
around
that
as
yet.
F
To
be
honest,
I
think
it's
something
that
will
be
a
challenge
that
elected
members
need
to
be
involved
in
as
well
and
discuss
and
work
through,
and
so
I
don't
want
to
preempt.
Perhaps
some
of
the
discussion
that's
yet
to
be
had
around
that
counsellor
as
well.
If
that's
okay,.
A
They
play
a
crucial
role
in
place
making
and
in
many
respects,
given
our
priorities,
there
are
also
major
implications
for
climate
change
in
the
if
people
can
walk
or
cycle
or
easily
catch
a
bus
to
the
local
center.
That
obviously
has
a
spin-off
in
terms
of
their
carbon
footprint.
Okay,
that
was
a
comment.
Katie
I'll
bring
you
in
now.
C
Hi,
yes,
I
think
if
I
just
kind
of
go
through
some
of
the
notes,
I've
made
some
some
will
be
comments.
Some
will
be
questions
really
just
picking
up
on
some
of
the
things
in
your
presentation
fiona.
I
was
struck
by
a
comment
that
somebody
had
written
that
that
you
quoted
on
the
slide.
That
said
something
about
city
center
being
more
inclusive
and
less
about
spending
money,
and
I
think
that's
really
quite
an
interesting
point.
C
But
certainly
I
have
a
lot
of
comments
made
to
me
specifically
by
young
people,
really
that
they
like
being
in
the
city
centre,
but
they
don't
have
a
lot
of
money
to
spend
in
there,
and
so
they
prefer
to
have
things
to
do
that.
Aren't
them
going
into
big
shops,
and
I've
certainly
had
young
people
that
I
work
with
both
you
know
at
school,
but
also
in
youth,
centers
and
kind
of
things
that
I
do
with
my
counselor
hat
on
saying
that
they,
like
things
like
pop-up
markets
and
kilo
sales,
and
things
like
that.
C
So
I
don't
know
whether
that's
something
that
is
is
worth
us
focusing
on
that,
rather
rather
than
going
into
the
big
retailers
which
they
kind
of
find
a
bit
samey
as
looking
as
a
city
to
do
a
lot
more
of
that,
because
it
is
nice
to
be
in
town
when
things
like
that
are
happening
when
it's
something
different
than
just
walking
around
town
and
the
same
old
offers
to
find
something
around
a
corner
and
it'd
be
different,
and
you
know
just
a
lot
of
young
people
that
I've
talked
to
that
have
been
excited
about
being
back
into
town.
C
Now
that
things
have
opened
up
a
bit
have
been
excited
by
the
vegan
market
or
a
pop-up
shop.
There
was
something
I
can't
remember
what
it
was
selling,
but
there
was
some
little
market
with
small
retailers
that
popped
up
somewhere
in
town,
and
they
really
liked
that.
So
I
just
think:
that's
that's
something
that
we
should
do
more
of.
I
think
it's.
It
works
really
well
for
young
people.
C
The
other
idea
was
about
the
green
spaces.
I
think
somebody
had
put
on
their
green
spaces,
less
pollution
and
people,
not
just
young
people.
People
of
all
ages
are
saying
to
me
that
they're
really
liking
the
new
spaces
that
are
appearing
around
town,
the
green
spaces
and
the
the
other
one
was
somebody
has
said:
we
need
less
traffic
in
town
and
again
lots
of
people
say.
Yes,
we
do
and
it's
nice
to
have
those
spaces
without
traffic,
but
people
are
going
to
be
using
cars
and
how
do
we
square
that
circle?
C
I
think
that's
a
a
really
difficult
one
people
like
to
be
in
a
town
that
doesn't
have
cars
in
it,
but,
as
your
presentation
showed
fiona
people
want
to
use
their
cars.
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is
to
that,
but
it's
it.
It
is
a
point
that
needs
resolving,
certainly
as
well
with
climate
emergency
hats
on
as
well,
and
then
my
last
one,
which
definitely
is
a
question,
is
the
ahead
partnership
find
your
center
initiative.
How
will
that
be
distributed?
Is
it
going
to
go
out
via
schools.
A
Okay,
thank
you
katie.
Before
even
fiona
respond
can
I
welcome
councillor
hayden
welcome
helen.
F
Hi,
thank
you
yeah.
Just
just
briefly.
I
know
you
weren't
really
asking
questions
cancel
the
day,
but
maybe
just
a
couple
of
brief
comments
around
your
first
points
and
then
empty
only
answer
your
head
partnership
point,
I
suppose,
what's
helpful,
is
it
there's
some?
The
survey
and
the
work
we've
been
doing
has
actually
also
confirmed
that
some
of
the
things
that
we've
got
in
train
are
the
are
absolutely
the
right
things
to
be
doing
so.
F
The
city
centre
park,
the
that's
you
know
now
underway
and
the
green
spaces
that
are
already,
as
you
say
there,
and
then
even
on
cookwood
street,
with
that
new
green
space
we've
had
some
pop-ups
there.
So
there's
some
interesting
things
to
encounter,
and
that
provides
another
space
to
be
programmed
in
the
city
to
provide
the
types
of
experiences
you
mentioned,
and
I
know
that
working
with
city
centre
management
and
with
leeds
bid.
If
for
the
city
centre,
we
are
trying
to
do
lots
of
work
around.
F
F
So,
for
example,
chow
down
the
sort
of
independent
food
kind
of
location
in
the
city
centre
is
now
going
to
become
permanent
and
people
have
really
really
enjoyed
that
so
and
there's
there's
there's
kind
of
we've.
We've
talked
to
the
independent
sector
throughout
covered
19,
and
I
think
there's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
keep
doing
that
and
supporting
them
and
nurturing
that
as
well.
So
yeah
lots
of
things
to
do.
I
think
sorry,
one
more
thing
would
be.
F
I
think
it's
an
acknowledged
piece
as
well
that
we
need
to
think
about
that
sort
of
teenage
age
group
in
terms
of
things
for
them
to
do
in
both
city
and
local
centres.
We've
been
quite
good
at
starting
to
put
children
at
the
heart
of
our
thinking
and
planning
because
of
our
child-friendly
approach
to
council,
but
there's
still
probably
more
to
go
in
terms
of
thinking
about
that
teenage
age
group
and
the
kind
of
spaces
and
places
they
want
as
well.
Fiona
do
you
want
to
answer
the
question
about
head
partnership.
E
Yes,
that's
absolutely
fine,
so
it's
there's
a
number
of
channels
that
it's
going
to
be
going
out
through,
so
it
will
be
going
out
directly
through
ahead
partner
schools
that
they
they
had.
Partnership
do
work
with
our
voice
and
influence
team
will
be
also
sending
some
of
this
out
as
we'll
breeze.
C
No
good,
it's
good
to
hear
you
thinking
about
teenagers
and
teenagers
is
my
world.
I
work
with
them
as
a
high
school
teacher,
and
I've
got
two
of
them
of
my
own,
so
things
that
is.
C
A
Okay,
cheers
thank
you.
I've
got
jonathan
bentley,
then
paul
wadsworth,
jonathan.
B
It's
a
very
good
report
and
I
think,
reading
through
it
a
lot
of
it
sort
of
overlaps.
With
another
report.
We
were
looking
at
later
on
about
the
the
review
of
the
the
update,
the
local
plan,
which
sort
of
has
some
of
the
same
issues
in
it
about
issues
we've
got
to
to
to
address.
So
I
may
say
some
of
these
things
later
on.
What
I
was
complete
particularly
concerned
about,
though,
was
when
you
look
at
the
list
of
centers
just
being
parochial
and
looking
at
my
ward,
but
it's
an
example.
B
There
were
no
centers
in
my
ward
north
of
the
ring
road
and
the
two
centers
south
of
the
ring
road
one
is
headingly
and
one
is
meanwood
and
they
are
pretty
close
to
the
city
centre
anyway,
and
but
once
you
get
into
the
large
social
housing
estates,
north
of
the
ward
in
the
north
end
of
the
ward,
there
are
no
centers
listed.
The
newest
one
is
probably
horseforth,
which
is
not
only
a
ward
boundary.
It's
something
of
a
cultural
boundary,
sometimes
as
well.
B
So
I'm
just
thinking
what
are
we
doing
to
bring
this
prosperity
that
we're
looking
at?
In
in
the
centers
and
the
developments
we're
looking
at
in
the
centers
to
those
places
which
haven't
got
centers
to
to
avoid
a
real
inequality
of
opportunity,
but
and
again
it's
particularly
young
people,
I'm
glad
you're,
addressing
that
as
a
as
a
separate
issue
and
having
a
nice
city
center
is
all
very
well,
but
it's
quite
expensive
to
get
to
the
city
center.
B
If
you
haven't,
got
access
to
to
a
car,
so
train
or
bus
or
whatever
we
we're
not
really
close
to
train,
so
it
it's
buses,
and
that
and
and
so
again
it's
about
this
exclusion
of
great
swathes
of
our
population,
which
I
I'm
I'm
concerned
about.
So
I'll.
Leave
that
as
the
question
and
the
other
question
is
we
we
have
on
that
slide
and
I've,
not
I've,
not
sort
of
done
the
numbers.
B
F
Thanks
councillor
bentley
just
taking
the
last
one
first,
I
think
I
have
to
differ
to
transport
colleagues
on
that,
in
terms
of
some
more
detailed
sort
of
research
and
survey
work,
they've
done,
and
it's
perhaps
something
we
can
bring
back
council
to
trust
well,
either
as
a
written
no
or
to
to
to
follow
up
in
another
discussion
on
the
sort
of
on
the
sort
of
point
about
centers.
F
I
think
we
had
to
agree
a
particular
scope
for
this
piece
of
work,
and
fiona
can
explain
why
we
put
we
the
why
we
picked
the
list
that
we
did
to
focus
on
which
things
important,
it's
not
to
say
that
we're
not
interested
in
looking
at
in
economic
development
and
employment
schools
across
the
whole
city.
It's
just
that
for
this
piece
of
work.
It
was
very
focused
about
particular
issues
that
occur
in
occurring
in
town
centres
and
city
centers.
So
fiona,
do
you
want
to
explain
why
we
picked
the
list?
We
did.
E
Yeah,
that's
fine,
and
also,
if
I
can
just
really
quickly
say
on
that
transport
point
that
you
said
remember
that
this
is
not
necessarily
a
prediction.
This
is
what
people
were
telling
us
at
the
height
of
a
particular
lockdown.
So
that's
not
the
same
as
saying
this
is
what's
going
to
happen.
This
was
kind
of
their
failing
at
the
time
from
what
they
were
saying
and
in
terms
of
the
local
centers.
We
actually
just
kept
it
in
line
with
sort
of
planning
and
what
planning
their
kind.
E
E
We
wanted
to
do
something
that
would
actually
also
tie
in
with
sort
of
the
the
planning
framework
and
the
way
that
that
works
and
recognize
the
imperfections
we
are
looking
to
see
whether
this
is
something
that
we
run
again
and
if
we
do
about
how
we
can
then
do
that
differently
and
pick
up
other
things
as
well.
So
you
know
we
recognize
where
the
challenges
are
in
some
of
this,
but
again
it's
not
to
exclude
lots
of
people.
Anybody
was
invited
to
input
who
was
able
to
input
into
that.
At
that
point,.
B
Yeah,
what
what
concerns
me
is?
We
have
a
report
like
this,
which
is
not
based
on
the
whole
city.
It
it
has
been,
for
whatever
reason
reasons
been
selective
and
the
further
forward.
You
move
with
these
reports,
the
more
what's
the
word,
I'm
looking
for
the
more
authorities
they
become,
and
you
forget
about
the
bits
you've
left
out,
and
it's
really
just
putting
the
marker
down
now
that
says
this
doesn't
really
look
at
the
whole
city.
B
I
don't
want
sort
of
going
forward
based
on
something
which
isn't
for
the
whole
city
and
and
would
just
consolidate
a
lot
of
the
exclusion
that
we
have
in
the
city
at
the
moment.
I
hope
that
makes
sense
to
you.
That's
fine.
A
Yeah
I
mean,
hopefully
those
gaps
are
going
to
be
filled
in
other
ways,
but
obviously,
if
you
want
to
come
back
on
that.
F
F
I
think
there's
a
limit
as
councillor
trustwell
sort
of
indicated
around
two
pop
who
took
part
in
some
of
the
servers
during
the
time
because
of
the
time
time
frame,
but
we'll
take
your
comments
on
board
in
terms
of
the
next
stage
of
how
we
bring
this
together,
so
that
we're
not
omitting
the
issues
that
exist
where
there
are
no
city
or
local
centres
again,
and
I
think
she's,
just
one
piece
of
a
number
of
pieces
of
policy
research.
F
We're
doing
got
an
item
later
on
the
agenda
around
future
talent,
for
example,
which
is
about
again
about
resources
right
across
the
city
and
actually
is
something
that
isn't
sort
of
a
spatial
based
piece
of
work.
So,
just
to
reassure
you,
I
suppose
councilman,
that
from
an
economic
policy
perspective,
there's
no
intention
to
exclude
particular
parts
of
the
city
in
the
thinking
and
we'll
take
on
board
your
feedback.
In
terms
of
how
we
consider
bringing
forward
the
recommendations.
D
Thank
you,
chair
fully
accepted.
I
would
never
want
to
fight
jonathan
for
a
place
on
the
on
on
the
agenda.
A
few
comments
and
questions
as
well.
The
survey
and
the
numbers,
a
thousand
people
responded
only
online
does
give
a
sort
of
picture
of
a
very
small
number
given
the
size
of
the
city
and
my
question
around
that
is
done
in
february
in
the
depth
of
the
second
or
third
lockdown.
D
Whatever
you
want
to
call,
it
would
give
a
certain
view
of
people
and
and
the
people
working
from
all
at
that
time
what
was
won.
I
guess
it
would
change
if
you
went
into
april
and
be
more
positive,
and
I
guess,
if
you
did
it
now,
it
would
be
falling
back
a
little
bit
because
people
are
a
bit
conscious
of
the
the
rates
increasing.
D
Is
there
any
way
that
it
could
be
done
on
a
rolling
basis,
and
you
could
take
the
sort
of
statistic
for
the
last
two
months
or
whatever,
because
it's
a
very
fluid
picture,
particularly
around
public
transport
and
the
public
transport
is
really
interesting.
Moving
on
to
that
is,
despite
all
the
investment
we
have
put
into
cycling
in
this
city,
which
the
costs
have
been
massive
and
in
finance
and
in
road
space.
Because
a
lot
of
the
cycling
in
the
city,
the
provision
has
been
at
the
expense
of
road
space.
D
D
A
great
deal
which
follows
our
outer
area
awards
must
be
something
that
we
are
all
worrying
about
and
keep
us
awake
at
night
on
the
fact
of
when
government
subsidy
goes
off
how
that
service
will
actually
pan
out.
In
the
future,
and
that
final
point
was
really
just
to
come
back
on
counter
die
around
spending
money.
I'm
all
take
the
point
that
a
lot
of
young
people
don't
have
money
to
spend,
unfortunately,
with
a
city
centre.
D
If
we
don't
have
people
spending
money
in
the
city
centre,
the
businesses
will
survive
and
the
city
centre
will
contract.
That's
really
what
happened
with
ebenhams.
Nobody
spent
any
money
there,
so
they
had
to
close
and
that's
the
way
life
goes
it's
the
way
business
goes,
so
we
do
have
to
try
to
attract
or
extract
some
of
the
available
money
via
retail
and
via
the
city
center,
rather
than
the
online
retailers
that
somebody,
I
think,
an
officer
mentioned
inadvertently
and
by
by
name
and
others
are
available
as
she
said.
D
But
it's
it's
a
system
really
that
we
have
to
change.
We
have
to
get
people
spending
and
I'll
just
really
quickly
say.
I
bought
six
major
items
for
the
house
which
my
credit
card
bill
shows
this
morning,
but
I
haven't
been
into
the
city
centre
to
buy
any
of
them,
so
that
shows
how
my
habits
have
changed
and
you
know
I
guess
that's
a
picture
of
a
lot
of
people.
I
know
there's
some
comments
and
some
questions
there.
I
guess
thanks
joe.
F
So,
as
fiona
mentioned,
we
would
like
to
repeat
the
survey.
I
guess
what
we
need
to
work
out
with
colleagues
from
transport
is
whether
there
is
something
that
they
should
be
repeating.
That's
more
transport
focused
versus
the
broader,
the
broader
questions
we
had
originally,
but
certainly
councillor
wadsworth.
We
will
be
looking
to
repeat
it,
so
we
can
see
how
things
things
change
and
then
I
think
the
other
piece
on
city
center.
F
One
of
the
things
I
would
say
is
that
we've
worked
really
really
collaboratively
with
different
teams
on
the
city
centre,
in
particular,
but
right
across
the
city.
The
city
centre
management,
for
example,
visit
leeds
leeds
bid
only
bid-
and
you
know,
with
peter
margin
communities
throughout
covid
to
try
and
make
sure
that
we've
kept
both
city,
central
local
centres,
clean
welcoming
and
so
on,
and
what
those,
what?
Interestingly,
what
external
stakeholders
say
back
to
us?
F
So,
for
example,
I'll
say
a
a
a
manager
of
a
major
retail
destination
city
center
that
happens
to
have
similar
destinations
elsewhere
in
the
united
kingdom
said
that
what
we're
doing
in
leeds
is
recognized
by
others
as
being
exemplary
and
encouraging
people
to
come
back
and
they've
been
able
to
attract.
Although
we've
seen
brands
disappear,
like
debenhams
they've
also
been
able
to
attract
new
brands
into
the
city,
but
what
it
underlines
councilwood,
how
hard
you've
got
to
work
at
that?
F
And
how
do
you
got
to
work
at
that
between
partnerships
to
to
keep
both
local
centers
and
city
centres
attractive
and
the
importance
of
investing
in
that
to
make
sure
that
people
still
want
to
go
there?
Whether
that's
for
culture,
retail
or
the
all-round
experience
fiona?
Do
you
want
to
say
anything
else
about
the
survey
at
all
just.
E
Very
briefly,
term,
in
terms
of
things
around
transport
transport
colleagues
have
far
more
detailed
information,
and
this
is
that
kind
of,
as
you
said
that
moment
in
time,
and
actually
I
would
defer
to
them
and
the
information
that
they've
got
and
what
they're
collecting
over
this
particular
survey
when
it
comes
to
transport-
and
I
think
we
just
need
to
remember
that
the
bus,
in
particular
the
bus
use
that
I
think
that
that's
probably
the
lockdown
effect
that
we're
seeing
with
that.
D
No
honor
to
say
it
wasn't
a
criticism
about
how
hard
people
are
working
across
the
council
and
across
business.
It
just
shows
how
hard
you
have
to
work,
to
provide
a
small
increase
and
to
get
a
large
increase.
That
work
is
gonna,
have
to
be
so
much
massive
and
in
the
case
of
the
council,
probably
that
investment
is
gonna
have
to
be
so
much
massively
increased
and
that's
going
to
transfer
from
the
city
centres
into
the
district
center
as
well,
and
that's
that's
the
problem
that
faces
us
really
is
the
case.
A
Okay,
thanks
paul,
I
think
you've
highlighted
one
of
the
difficulties
with
a
report
like
this.
It
focuses
on
a
particular
exercise
and
process,
and
he's
touched
upon
the
fact
that
there's
already
a
lot
of
work
being
done
in
terms
of
city
centers
and
district
centers
through
offices
and
in
some
cases
with
members
through
collaborative
groups
with
traders
and
others,
and
very
much
on
an
ad
hoc
basis.
A
So
I
suppose
it
would
have
been
helpful
to
have
a
little
bit
more
on
that,
but
there
again
it
would
have
moved
away
from
the
specific
focus
around
the
results
of
the
survey.
But
on
the
other
hand,
the
work
that
is
currently
being
done
is
something
that
provides
examples
of.
What's
perhaps
what
can
be
extended,
especially
in
terms
of
of
local
centers
and
lessons
to
be
learned
and
perhaps
to
identify
some
quick
wins
either
in
those
areas
or,
if
you
like,
transposed
to
to
to
other
local
centers
and
just
a
final
comment.
A
Stroke
question
about
the
leveling
up
fund,
we're
all
aware
of
the
fund.
I
suspect
that
many
of
us,
as
ward
members,
are
working
with
each
other
and
with
mps
and
looking
at
bids
for
the
future,
but
I'm
just
wondering
eve
if
you
could
elucidate
on
how
far
this
work
is
going
to
impinge
upon
future
leveling
up
bids.
I
suppose
it's
a
bit
too
early
to
ask
that
question,
but
I'm
still
going
to
ask
it.
F
Yeah,
so
so,
thanks
chair,
so
we
we
obviously
started
this
work
before
the
leveling
up
fund
was
announced
and
but
what
we,
what
we
hopefully
from
this
discussion,
it's
evident
that
this
work
that
we've
been
doing
will
assist
you
and
and
others
in
sort
of
understanding
what
the
right
projects
might
be
to
promote
the
leveling
up
fund
and
what
you
want
to
achieve
from
those
projects.
F
And
so
what
fiona
and
the
team
and
myself
will
be
doing
over
the
summer
is
making
sure,
through
that
relationship
in
the
officer
group
that
we
just
try
and
help
crystallize
how
some
of
this
might
be
taken
into
account
in
some
of
those
leveling
up
fund
bids
without
preempting
the
process
around
around
those
bids
themselves,
ensuring
that
this
work
is
useful
in
that
process
and
adam
brandon
who's.
The
lead
officer
on
the
leveling
up
work
is
part
of
fiona's
officer
group.
A
Okay,
thanks
very
much,
I
don't
see
any
other
board
members
indicating
that
they've
got
any
comments
or
questions
to
make.
So
I
think
we'll
move
on
to
agenda
item
five
on
the
future
talent
plan,
I'm
just
looking
at
the
list
of
attendees.
This
was
supposed
to
be
led
by
martin
long,
but
I
don't
think
martin's
able
to
join
us.
I
think
he's
been
diverted
to
another
another
meeting,
so
I
think
we've
got
eve
again.
It's
a
bit
like
the
the
roadhouse
2021
youtube
tour.
F
Thanks:
apologies:
everybody
to
love
me
martin
may,
if
martin
can
make
it,
he
will
join.
He's
he's
had
a
meeting
in
the
diary
with
dwp
that
he
couldn't
rearrange.
So
so
I've
got
a
few
slides
again
and
it's
not
as
long
as
the
last
presentation.
F
F
and
as
a
consequence,
it
doesn't
reflect
a
lot
of
changes
that
have
occurred
in
national
policy
since
then,
and
also
the
extra
powers
that
we've
achieved
through
devolution
and
again,
as
I
mentioned
earlier
on
the
previous
item,
when
we
set
out
the
economic
recovery
frame
framework
last
year,
we
explained
how
underlying
trends
have
been
accelerated
in
the
economy
and
how
this
demands
us
to
have
a
more
agile
approach.
So,
for
example,
digital
adoption
has
resulted
in
a
huge
demand
for
digital
skills
and
tools
across
all
sectors.
F
And
so
this
work
will
also
help
inform
that
the
primary
aim
of
the
project
is
to
deliver
a
dynamic
plan
that
will
be
owned
and
updated
by
the
city
as
a
whole
to
support
people
to
develop
and
maintain
skills
and
help
them
and
businesses
to
become
resilient.
In
the
face
of
change,
we're
proposing
a
three
to
five
year
time
frame.
F
We
want
it
to
be
very
action,
focused
backed
by
stakeholders
and
focused
on
diversity,
inclusion,
and
we
wanted
to
link
to
the
social
progress
index,
which
is
our
chosen
strategic
measure
for
progress
on
delivering
inclusive
growth.
We're
going
to
work
with
partners
to
develop
more
consistent
data
around
this.
So
again
exclusively.
F
We
often
talk
about
the
data
around
the
labor
market,
so
we
want
to
to
run
a
parallel
piece
of
work
where
we
look
at
those
data
issues
and
explore
how
we
can
get
better
at
targeting
actions
by
having
better
data,
and
we've
currently
got
a
workshop
in
the
planning
around
that.
If
any
members
want
to
join
that
workshop,
let
us
know
a
steering
group
has
been
established
which
is
chaired
by
councillor
prayer,
and
it
has
key
partners
on
it
from
feh.
F
It
helps
to
generate
this,
so
this
is
not
a
survey
and
it's
not
a
survey
approach.
So
what
you
won't
get
when
you
go
onto
this
platform
is
20
questions
with
very
sort
of
closed
closed
nature
of
questions.
Instead,
you
will
start
with
some
challenge.
Questions
and
people
will
be
able
to
give
their
views
on
those
challenge.
F
Questions
discuss
and
comment
with
others
a
bit
like
a
sort
of
closed
facebook
group
in
a
way,
and
it's
a
kind
of
a
way
to
explain
it
and
talk
about
their
aspirations,
but
it's
all
done
anonymously
and
it's
monitored
carefully
so
that
if
there's
any
issues,
comments
can
be
removed
and
so
on.
Just
to
reassure
members
around
that
what
happens
after
you've
had
that
main
conversation
is
that
clever,
together
and
analyze?
F
All
that
conversation
they
look
at
all
of
the
the
the
language,
that's
being
used
people's
ideas
and
thoughts,
and
then
you
hone
that
down
into
a
second
conversation
where
you
check
and
check
and
challenge
the
conversation
and
help
generate
the
tangible
actions
that
form
the
plan
and
then
the
final.
The
final
plan,
the
target,
is
to
take
it
to
executive
board.
In
2022.,
I'm
going
to
touch
a
bit
on
state
code,
engagement
beyond
the
platform
and
just
picking
up
on
some
of
the
discussion
we
had
on
the
previous
item
around
engagement.
F
So
in
terms
of
this
piece
of
work,
we're
really
keen
to
make
sure
we
have
a
really
wide
range
of
voices
included.
F
And
so
we
want
to
sort
of
actively
consult
with
councillors
with
the
combined
authority
and
the
mayor
and
the
steering
group,
but
regularly
regularly
be
engaging
with
council
business
representative
organizations
like
the
chamber
of
commerce
and
the
federation
of
small
businesses
and
the
the
higher
education
and
further
education
sector
and
schools,
and
so
on,
and
then
sort
of
making
sure
we
keep
informed
key
sectors,
private
skills
providers
and
other
business
networks
and
then
maintaining
interest,
as
well
as
at
a
wider
level.
And
what
we're
currently
doing
at
the
moment
before
we
launch.
F
The
big
conversation
in
september
is
looking
where
we've
got
opportunities
to
go
to
meetings.
That
will
be
happening
in
some
of
these
areas
that
happen
regularly
through
the
city
anyway,
to
talk
about
the
work
to
capture
ideas
and
to
then
make
sure
that
they
are
included
in
the
platforms.
This
won't
just
be.
You
need
to
go
to
this
platform,
although
that
is
the
primary
way
for
us
to
have
the
conversation.
F
We
will
also
go
to
forums
that
exist
and
and
and
promote
the
discussion
and
bring
that
in
and
that
work
is
being
undertaken
at
the
moment
and
menache
is
the
lead
officer
on
the
on
this
working
fiona's
team
in
terms
of
overseeing
that
at
this
time.
F
So
the
next
steps
are
around
the
the
main
consultation,
as
I
mentioned
launching
in
september,
and
we
would
love
elected
member
support
to
promote
that
and
then
the
second
taking
place
in
november,
with
a
plan
being
completed
through
december,
with
a
name
to
take
it
to
exec
board
in
the
spring.
A
A
I've
just
focused,
as
you
have
done
eve
on
the
need
for
training
and
reskilling
and
upskilling
because,
as
I
think,
the
rep,
as
the
report
does
indicate,
we
don't
know
how
many
jobs
we
create
in
leeds,
given
its
dynamic
economy,
lead
to
people
coming
into
the
city
from
outside
to
fill
those
jobs
and
obviously
the
more
we
can
grow
our
own
expertise
to
fill
those
jobs,
the
better,
not
just
in
terms
of
our
citizens,
but
also
the
fact
that
we
don't
need
as
much
housing.
A
We
don't
need
much
transport,
we
don't
have
the
pressure
on
the
infrastructure,
so
it
has
climate
change
and
sustainability
and
connotations
as
well.
My
second
point
is:
have
we
got
any
clear
thinking
about
how
the
devolution
deal,
and
particularly
the
extra
money
that's
coming
in
regarding
employment
and
training,
monies
is
going
to
pan
out,
or
is
that
still
very
much
to
be
decided?
F
Yeah
thanks
chair
so
I'll,
take
the
anchors
question.
First,
if
that's
okay,
so
sure
we've
now
got
13
organizations
in
the
leads
inclusive
anchors
network.
F
We
started
with
eight
and
we
have
the
most
recent
organizations
to
join
our
northern
gas
networks
and
and
the
british
library,
and
so
we
have
a
mixture
of
both
very
much
leads
based
sort
of
institutions
like
ourselves,
the
city
council,
but
organizations
that
have
a
very
large
base
in
leeds,
but
all
are
also
national,
like
the
british
library
and
nhs
digital
and
yorkshire,
water
and
northern
gas
networks,
probably
the
notable
exceptions
in
the
current
network,
where,
in
effect,
they're
private,
private
businesses,
but
they
see
themselves
as
operating
very
much
because
they're
in
that
utilities,
space
in
a
similar
way
to
the
public
sector,
and
so
so
that's
the
size
of
the
the
network.
F
At
the
moment,
the
the
position
with
the
private
sector
and
working
with
them
on
the
anchors
network
is
that
we
did
a
bit.
We
did
some
interaction
with
the
private
sector
last
summer
to
talk
to
explore
how
we
would
bring
them
into
the
network
and
the
that
got
to
a
stage
of
kind
of
really
that
we
felt
didn't
necessarily
want
to
dilute
the
power
of
the
network
by
inviting
20
or
hundreds
of
businesses
into
the
network
itself.
F
F
It
has
a
number
of
theme
areas
and
it's
a
way
for
that
institution
to
focus
on
how
it
can
become
more
effective
as
an
anchor
in
our
economy
and
we've
basically
created
an
adapted
version
of
that
for
the
private
sector
and
it's
currently
being
tested
with
five
private
sector
businesses
and
some
of
whom,
having
some
support
to
complete
it,
some
of
whom
are
doing
it
themselves
without
support,
and
then
we're
going
to
see
we're
going
to
sort
of
analyze.
We're
going
to
review
how
that's
gone
with
the
aim.
F
If
that's,
if
that
goes
well
of
extending
that
to
up
to
20
businesses
and
then
taking
it
from
there
again
so
so
so
that's
the
position
on
the
anchors
work
and
I'm
sure
chairman
might
want
to
bring
an
update
on
the
anchors
work
separately
at
some
point
to
scrutiny.
Actually
just
on
on
the
devolution
deal
as
martin
isn't
is
isn't
on.
I
can't
give
you
sort
of
a
detailed
answer
into
how
that's
going,
but
my
high
level
answer
is
that
there's
still
quite
a
lot
to
work
out.
F
So
it's
not
a
completely
done
deal
in
terms
of
understanding.
How
that
will
work
through
we've
had
some
gain
share
monies
that
have
come
through
for
employment
and
skills
and
of
course,
we've
had
going
through
the
first
process
of
being
commissioned
by
the
combined
authority
for
delivering
our
adult
skills
work
at
the
moment,
and
so
we
can
either
send
a
little
note
about
how
that's
going
or
we
can
revisit
it.
Another
meeting
where
martin's
here
councillor
as
well.
A
Okay,
I
mean,
I
think,
on
our
work
program
at
some
stage
in
the
future,
there
will
be
the
usual
kind
of
panoramic
update
on
inclusive
growth
strategy
work
and
that
might
fit
into
that
quite
quite
nicely.
So
I'm
sure
becky's
making
a
note
now
to
remind
anybody
that
it
needs
to
be
included.
A
Okay,
so
on
on
the
issue
of
growing
our
own
for
want
of
a
better
expression-
and
I
know
it's
very
difficult
to
determine
that
dynamic.
But
I
think
we
all
know
to
some
degree.
It
is
happening
that
we
have
a
very
dynamic
local
economy,
we're
creating
lots
of
jobs,
we're
introducing
new
employers,
but
a
lot
of
the
people
coming
in
to
fill
the
jobs
that
they're
creating
are
coming
from
outside.
And
I'm
I'm
just
wondering
how
far
we
can
ever
refine
our
view
of
that
dynamic.
F
So
thanks
chair,
so
we
just
we,
as
I
mentioned,
we're
looking
to
sort
of
run
a
workshop
around
trying
to
consider
what
other
types
of
data
we
can
bring
together
to
get
a
more
detailed
and
more
sort
of
real-time
feel
for
what's
happening
on
the
labe
in
the
labor
market
and
and
we've
approached
odi
leads
to
work
with
zomba.
So
we're
scoping
that
up
at
the
moment,
so
again,
just
for
anyone's
benefit
who
isn't
familiar.
Odi
is
the
open
data
institute
leads
and
we
work
with.
F
We've
worked
with
them
in
them
in
the
past
on
a
range
of
areas
around
data.
So
I
can't,
at
this
stage,
probably
give
you
a
sort
of
an
answer
about
whether
that's
possible
chair,
but
I
think
what
we
can
do
is
put
that
in
as
a
as
a
sort
of
how
might
we
question
into
that
process?
So
how
might
we
understand
better?
F
Who
works
in
some
of
the
large
organizations
and-
and
I
suppose
the
only
additional
thing
to
say
is
that
you
know
we
are
the
major
economic
center
for
west
yorkshire
and
yorkshire,
you
know
and
the
wider
yorkshire
region.
So
naturally
we
will
have
people
coming
into
leeds
working
for
employers
for
a
much
wider
catchment
than
leads,
but
so
the
interesting.
F
I
suppose
that
the
challenge
for
us
is
making
sure
that
leeds
residents
are
well
skilled
up
to
be
able
to
secure
some
of
those
jobs
in
within
that.
Within
that
context,
so
yeah
I.
A
Suppose
the
distinction
I'm
making
is
that,
as
you
say,
there
will
be
people
traveling
from
west
yorkshire,
maybe
further
afield,
but
they
are
domiciled
for
wanting
a
better
description
in
their
local
area.
They've
not
moved
to
leeds.
They
may
do
in
due
course,
but
they
don't
move
to
leads
and
therefore
there's
no
requirement
of
lease
to
provide
that
extended
infrastructure,
with
all
its
pressures
and
lack
of
funding,
etc,
and
that
people
moving
from
further
afield
moving.
You
know
relocating
okay,
you
mentioned,
and
it's
triggered
another
question.
A
I
noticed,
there's
no
more
questions
or
comments
being
indicated
by
board
members
about
data
and
clearly
one
of
the
points
that
we've
reiterated
ad
nauseam
during
our
discussion
about
inclusive
growth
strategy
is
that
while
it
has
a
number
of
aspirations,
and
while
there
are
a
number
of
initiatives
already
beginning
to
take
place
within
it,
such
as
the
anchor
institutions,
it's
how
we
measure
progress
and
I'm
just
wondering
where
we
are
with
that
that
data
set
to
measure
the
pro
the
progress
which,
obviously
you
know,
officers
have
been
working
on
now
for
some
time.
E
Yeah,
that's
absolutely
fine!
So
councillor,
trustworld
we've
been
working
with
an
organization
called
the
social
progress
imperative
and
they're
an
international
ngo
and
we've
been
working
with
them
over
the
past.
Probably
a
year
now
we
have
been
refining
the
data
that
we
can
use
and
we've
now
actually
got
enough
local
data.
That
can
be
that
captures
a
consistent
picture
from
the
ward
level.
So
we
all
have
got
enough
to
run
the
model
that
the
social
progress
imperative
own.
E
So
the
what
will
be
in
there
is
the
data
is
primarily
it's
social
or
environmental,
and
it's
outcome
focused
and
it
sits
alongside
sort
of
gdp
as
an
economic
measure
and
that
first
version
that
we
run.
It
won't
be
perfect
because
it's
basically
what
we
can
get,
but
we
should
have
that
very
shortly.
They're
going
to
we're
going
to
be
running
that
muzzle
over
the
summer,
so
we
will
be
able
to
take
something
to
scrutiny
on
that
later
this
year.
If
that's,
okay,.
A
Okay,
fiona:
that's
excellent
right,
no
other
indication
or
questions
or
comments.
So
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
agenda
item,
which
is
the
local
plan
update.
I
think
we
have
got
adam
and
I
think
we've
got
a
couple
of
colleagues
of
adams
and
we've
also
got
councillor
hayden,
who
may
at
some
stage
wish
to
contribute
to
this
discussion
and,
as
I
said
at
the
pre-meeting,
but
just
to
reiterate
for
the
purposes
of
the
public
meeting.
A
This
is
something
that
automatically
comes
to
this
scrutiny
board
and
that
we
have
a
corporate
responsibility
for
looking
at
anything
to
do
with
the
local
planner
or
wider
planning
issues.
So
without
any
more
ado
adam.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
lead
off
on
this,
and
I
think
you've
also
got
a
presentation.
G
I
do
yes
thank
you
and
before
I
start
with
the
presentation
I
just
want
to
introduce
colleagues,
we've
got
on
the
call
as
well
who'll
be
available
to
answer
any
questions.
So
we've
got
caroline
harris,
catherine
catherine,
holloway
and
heather
davis
and
daniel
goland,
who
are
topic.
Authors
who've
helped
prepare
the
material.
G
So
yes,
so
thank
you
very
much
for
having
us.
This
is
about
trying
to
give
more
information
about
the
local
plan,
update
consultation,
which
started
on
monday
on
the
19th
and
runs
until
13th
of
september,
and
we've
produced
the
consultation
material
which
you
can
start
to
see
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
slide
there
we've
got
our
website
on
the
bottom
left.
G
G
G
C
Can
you
make
it
full
screen
yeah,
that's
what
I
was
going
to
say.
Can
you
switch
the
display
settings
so
that
we
see
yes.
G
G
So
we've
got
what
we're
consulting
on
here
is
the
local
planner
update
and
it's
a
selective
update
to
the
lee's
local
local
plan
and
its
focus
is
on
addressing
the
climate
emergency
through
place,
making
and
resilience,
and
the
big
question
that
we're
really
asking
through
a
series
of
topics
which
I'll
take
you
through
is:
is
this
the
right
scope
for
the
local
plan,
update,
there's
lots
of
topics
that
local
plan
update
can
touch
on?
G
So
is
this
the
right
scope,
and
what
do
consultees,
such
as
scrutiny,
board,
feel
about
the
matters
and
issues
that
are
raised
within
the
material
and
have
we
missed
anything?
G
So
we've
got
a
public
consultation,
that's
a
formal
consultation
within
the
regulation,
18
of
the
tandem
country,
planning
act
and
that's
running
for
for
eight
weeks,
as
I
said
until
the
13th
of
september,
and
we're
guided
on
the
consultation
by
the
interim
statement
of
community
involvement,
which
came
in
as
a
response
to
the
restrictions
of
covert
19..
G
That's
a
mainly
online
consultation
which
is
designed
to
be
accessible,
mobile,
friendly
and,
as
I
say,
as
accessible
as
possible
and
with
new
ways
of
trying
to
present
materials
such
as
online
videos,
summaries
and
a
lot
more
kind
of
attractive,
visual
style.
And
perhaps
you
might
be
used
to
with
a
traditional
planning
consultation.
G
So
we've
got
five
topic
areas
and
it's
important
to
say
that
we're
looking
at
this
initially
through
the
lens
of
clearly
the
climate
emergency
and
carbon
emission
reduction.
But
we
wanted
to
take
a
a
more
root
and
branch
approach
to
that.
G
There's
also
a
lot
of
other
topics
that
are
related
to
simply
reducing
carbon
that
are
very
intrinsically
linked
and
so
the
graphic
that
we've
kind
of
the
the
work
that
our
colleagues
in
creative
services
have
developed
for
us
kind
of
draws
on
those
themes
where
we've
got
that
kind
of
root
and
branch.
So
we've
got
the
tree
of
the
five
themes
there,
so
we've
got
carbon
reduction,
we
have
flood
risk,
we've
got
green
infrastructure,
place,
making
and
sustainable
infrastructure
and
I'll
obviously
take
you
through
more
detail
on
those
individual
topics.
G
But
the
question
obviously
comes
back
to
why
we
focus
on
on
these
matters
and,
as
you'll
all
obviously
be
aware,
and
I'm
sure
viewers
will
be
to
leads
declared
a
climate
emergency
march
2019
and
that
then
flowed
into
a
direction
from
full
council
that
the
the
next
review
of
the
plan
in
leeds
should
include
trying
to
address
some
of
these
issues.
We've
worked
very
closely
with
development
plan
panel
who've
agreed
that
agreed
this
scope
and
also
with
the
climate
emergency
advisory
committee
as
well,
in
conjunction
with
the
executive
member.
G
Of
course,
executive
board
approved
the
consultation
last
month,
but
also
it's
based
on
our
own
monitoring
work
and
the
evidence
of
assessing
our
own
plans.
How
they're
working,
how
they're
performing
using
current,
up-to-date
evidence
and
guidance
as
well
on
the
right
hand,
side,
side,
you'll,
see
quite
a
small
graph.
Don't
don't
worry
too
much
about
the
detail
of
it.
But
what
that's
trying
to
show
is
that
huge
strides
have
been
made
since
2000
in
leeds
in
terms
of
reducing
our
emissions.
G
G
But
what
this
graph
shows-
and
it's
produced
by
the
lee's
climate
commission-
is
that
the
initial
work
that
we've
done
will
only
get
us
so
far
and
if
we
continue
the
way
that
we
are
doing,
then
that
those
improvements
will
begin
to
plateau
and
that
we
won't
make
our
aspirations
to
be
net
zero
by
2030
or
indeed
by
2050..
G
So
what
the
the
black
line
shows
is
a
whole
series
of
different
interventions
that
the
climate
commission
considered
and
some
of
those
relate
to
planning.
But
many
of
them
relate
to
to
issues
that
are
outside
of
planning
and
are
being
dealt
with
by
all
the
colleagues,
such
as
through
the
connecting
lead
strategy.
G
The
white
rose
forest
work
and
work
on
things
like
retrofitting
housing,
which
has
been
dealt
with
by
other
parts
of
the
council,
so
certainly
not
suggesting
that
this
is
just
a
planning
initiative,
but
planning
has
its
role
to
play
in
terms
of
reducing
the
emissions
of
buildings
and
decarbonizing
energy
and
carbon
sequestration.
G
So
the
first
topic
is:
is
carbon
reduction,
and
this
this
is
focusing
on
on
on
a
series
of
interventions
and
we're
asking
the
question
of
of
where
we
want
to
get
to
with
these.
G
So
there's
a
few
ideas
that
we're
introducing
and
what
all
of
the
topic
papers
tried
to
do
is
is
try
and
give
an
easy
to
read
background
to
the
topic,
introduce
some
of
these
technologies
and
then
ask
questions
about
whether
people
believe
that
these
should
be
in
the
scope
of
the
plan
and
any
ideas
they
might
have
about
how
we
can
introduce
them
into
planning
policy.
G
So
when
we
look
at
things
like
whole
life
cycle,
carbon
emissions,
that's
a
fairly
recent
kind
of
idea,
but
it
goes
beyond
just
the
emissions
from
a
building
when
it's
in
use
and
considers
the
whole
life
cycle
of
a
building
from
its
construction,
the
the
creation
of
its
materials
to
construct
it,
the
transportation
of
the
materials
all
the
way
to
the
other
end
of
its
life
in
terms
of
its
demolition
and
how
carbon
friendly.
That
is.
G
We
then
look
at
issues
like
carbon
zero
developments,
so,
whether
in
leeds
you
know
how
we
are
going
to
get
to
having
a
zero
carbon
developments
as
well
and
that's
in
terms
of
operational
use.
We
look
at
sustainable
construction,
which
is
related
to
those
two.
Those
first
two
themes,
but
whether
we
should
have
a
standard
in
leads
whether
we
should
look
at
having
our
own
bespoke
standard
or
whether
we
should
be
using
currently
adopted
standards
that
are
a
bit
more
internationally
and
nationally
recognized
such
as
brian,
which
is
just
one
example.
G
There
are
also
issues
in
terms
of
renewable
energy
generation,
whether
we
want
to
set
targets
for
things
like
solar
and
wind
and
we're
seeing
a
lot
more
applications
coming
in
through
the
system
in
terms
of
solar
energy,
and
we
don't
currently
have
a
clear
policy
basis
for
the
determination
of
those
applications,
so
whether
we
should
should
be
having
that
whether
we
should
be
allocating
land
for
it,
whether
we
should
be
having
targets
set
for
it.
G
Heat
networks
is
also
looked
at
in
this
chapter.
We
obviously
have
a
really
successful
heat
network
in
in
leeds,
and
it's
working
really
well
connected
to
the
roof.
G
The
question
is:
that's
whether
we
we
should
go
further
in
that,
should
that
be
expanded
and
whether
policy
might
need
to
change
to
allow
for
that
or
whether
better
guidance
could
be
issued
to
make
sure
we're
making
the
the
absolute
most
of
of
that
initiative
and,
finally,
a
topic
that
was
energy
storage,
which
we
have
very
little
sort
of
commentary
on
in
the
current
local
plan,
which
is,
if
we're
generating
a
lot
of
renewable
energy.
Where
do
we
store
that
when
it's
not
being
used?
G
So
do
we
need
to
set
targets
for
that,
and
these
these
facilities
are
essentially
large
batteries
when
they're
on
kind
of
industrial
scale
locally
they
can.
You
can
have
batteries
within
new
houses
as
well.
So
do
we
need
to
allocate
land?
Do
we
need
to
set
targets?
G
So
those
are
the
kind
of
areas
that
are
trying
to
be
explored
through
the
carbon
reduction
paper,
moving
on
to
flood
risk,
which
is
obviously
an
issue
that
that
leads
feels
most
most
cleanly.
It's
one
of
the
the
ways
that
climate
change
most
damagingly
affects
us
in
leeds,
although
if
your
room
is
as
hot
as
mine
is,
I
suspect
urban
heating
is
an
issue
as
well
that
people
are
starting
to
feel
more
keenly.
G
But
clearly,
floodless
is
a
huge
huge
issue
for
the
city
and
what
we're
looking
at
is
we're
updating
our
evidence
through
a
strategic
flood
risk
assessment
and
in
trying
to
interrogate
what
that
says
and
what
that
means
about
whether
we
need
to
go
further
in
terms
of
avoiding
land
for
development,
to
make
sure
that
we're
minimizing
flood
risk
there's
a
delicate
balance
there,
because
we
also
recognize
that
there's
a
lot
of
inherent
sustainability
within
some
of
our
urban
areas
that
are
vulnerable
to
flooding
but
also
very
accessible
to
services,
and
that
touches
on
some
of
the
themes
that
fiona
and
eve
reported
earlier
on
in
terms
of
how
people
get
to
to
places.
G
So,
there's
a
there's,
a
balance
to
be
struck
there
that
we
need
to
look
at
in
in
more
detail.
We
also
want
to
enhance
the
resilience
of
new
developments,
we're
seeing
a
lot
more
development.
That's
bespoke
safe
for
for
elderly
people.
Do
we
need
to
look
at
new
and
stronger
political,
newer,
stronger
policies
to
ensure
that
that
that
policies
are
fit
for
purpose?
G
On
that
do
we
also
need
to
look
at
expanding
areas
of
functional
flood
plains,
so
these
are
areas
of
land
that
deliberately
flood
to
protect
areas
downstream
from
flooding
and,
finally,
we're
looking
at
how
we
better
use,
suds
and
other
porous
materials
and
make
make
use
for
natural
flood
solutions
to
ensure
that
we're
making
the
most
of
these
kind
of
interventions
in
new
developments,
so
that
flooding
can
be
dealt
with
locally
and
at
source,
rather
than
it
becoming
a
problem
later
on
down
the
down
down
the
line.
G
The
third
topic
is:
is
green
infrastructure
and,
as
we've
we've
seen
through
the
the
pandemic,
I
think
the
importance
of
of
this
issue
has
become
even
more
profound
in
terms
of
the
access
that
people
have
to
to
green
infrastructure
and
their
sense
of
connectedness
with
it.
I
think,
there's
a
there's,
an
increasing
divide,
I
think,
between
the
people,
who
do
have
ready,
ready
access
to
it
and
those
who
don't
that's
been
most
felt.
G
I
think
during
the
the
worst
of
the
lockdowns,
so
this
policy
area
source
has
a
number
of
themes
again,
as
the
others
do.
So
how?
How
do
we
go
about
increasing
tree
planting
we've?
We've
have
targets
set
through
the
the
white
rose
forest
work
in
terms
of
doubling
leads
as
tree
canopy.
What
contribution
can
planning
make
to
that?
G
How
can
we
protect
existing
trees
better
and
how
can
we
make
sure
that
more
trees
are
delivered
as
part
of
new
new
schemes,
and
we
already
have
policies
about
providing
new
trees
for
those
that
are
lost,
but
that
doesn't
really
take
into
account
what
we
call
a
carbon
sequestration
value
of
trees,
so
ie
how
much
carbon
they
can
actually
store.
So
we're
we're
considering
ideas
of
how
we
could
go
further
on
that
and
how
planning
can
help
do
that?
G
We're
also
we're
also
wanting
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
we're
putting
more
space
for
biodiversity
and
nature
conservation.
You
may
have
seen
that
with
the
the
environment
bill
going
through
parliament
at
the
moment
that
there's
a
requirement
for
a
minimum
of
a
10
biodiversity
net
gain
for
new
developments
does
leads
want
to
go
further
than
that.
Do
consultees
wishes
to
go
further
than
that,
and
how
do
we
practically
do
that?
G
We
also
want
to
maintain
sorry
enhance
our
existing
policy
framework
to
to
ensure
that
we
are
identifying
improving,
protecting
and
enhancing
our
existing
gi
and
also
the
issue
of
green
space.
In
particular,
we
focus
on
on
the
city
center,
because
it's
an
area,
that's
an
issue
of
provision
of
green
space,
is
keenly
felt.
A
lot's
been
done
in
recent
years,
as
I
think
was
touched
on
earlier,
to
improve
open
space
in
the
city
center
and
clearly
with
the
delivery
of
air
park.
G
G
So
you
know
how
do
we,
how
do
we
connect
people
to
places-
and
we
heard
I
think
in
earlier-
slides
from
even
and
fiona
about
the
sort
of
15
minutes
and
90
minute
connections
we're
we're
looking
at
20-minute
neighborhoods,
but
I
don't
think
we
need
to
get
bogged
down
in
in
the
semantics
of
that.
I
think
the
principles
are
still
the
same.
How
do
people
access
what's
on
their
doorstep?
G
That's
clearly
become
so
much
more
important
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic,
so
we're
asking
whether
the
20-minute
neighborhood
is
something
that
people
would
like
to
see
in
leeds
and
have
they
got
any
ideas
about
what
that
really
means
to
them.
We
try
and
explain
it
through
the
material,
but
it
might
mean
different
things
to
different
people,
so
we
want
to
have
that
debate,
but
also
how
we
might
go
about
achieving
that
that
level
of
accessibility
to
services
which,
which
became
so
crucial
during
the
pandemic
on
people's
doorsteps.
G
We're
also
looking
at
related
to
that
things
like
locations
for
growth
and
the
importance
of
of
active
travel
and
and
where
we're
putting
growth
in
the
most
sustainable
places.
This
plan
isn't
allocating
sites
for
for
for
housing
or
employment,
but
but
but
does
look
about
how
how
sites
may
be
considered
in
the
future
for
such
uses
and
where
they
may
go
to
be
most
sustainable.
G
And
then
we
look
at
detailed
design
matters
so
yeah.
How
could
we
increase
our
design
guidance
to
ensure
that
we're
bringing
a
lot
of
these
concepts
of
gi
flood
dress,
so
we're
getting
sort
of
you
know
double
whammies
and
triple
wins
in
terms
of
not
just
preparing
a
space
that
could
be
a
pond,
but
could
also
act.
As
you
know,
flood
risk
deterrence
as
well,
but
also
really
attractive,
place
to
be,
and
also
increasing
health
and
well-being,
and
also
the
value
and
attractiveness
of
developments.
G
So
we
need
to
be
very
clear
with
issues
like
hs2
and
mass
transit
that
the
the
planning
documents
will
not
determine
whether
these
schemes
go
ahead
or
not.
They're
clearly
dealt
with
at
a
different
organizational
level,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
can't
have
planning
policies
to
help
maximize
the
benefits
of
these
schemes
and
and
potentially
mitigate
some
of
the
harms.
G
If,
if
that
is
to
be
what
what
happens,
so
it's
about
making
sure
that
the
quality
of
permeability
how
we
use
land
around
these
developments
and
not
maximize
opportunities
during
say,
construction,
where
land
may
be
left
vacant.
What
we
can
do
about
that
to
make
them
more
attractive
and
useful
lead
station,
obviously
is
heavily
linked
to
hs2
as
well
and
and
how
we
can
have
a
policy
framework
to
improve
lead
station
and
help
with
the
work.
G
That's
clearly
already
started
in
terms
of
that
leeds
bradford
airport
is
obviously
a
highly
emotive
issue.
The
the
council
has
already
granted
planning
consent
for
a
new
terminal
building
and
increased
flights,
and
that
is
currently
with
the
secretary
of
state.
As
I
understand
it,
we're
not
asking
people
to
comment
on
on
the
nature
of
those
because,
as
I
said,
they've
already
been
determined
by
the
council,
but
how
we
manage
the
future
growth
of
the
airport
beyond
that
application.
G
It's
still
something
that
the
planning
policy
can
have
an
important
say
in
so
we're
asking
that
question
of
what
people
might
want
to
see
in
such
a
policy
if
they
agree
that
it
should
be
part
of
the
scope
and
finally,
and
certainly
not
least,
certainly
given.
What's
happened
over
the
last
18
months,
we're
trying
to
cover
the
area
of
digital
connectivity,
and
this
relates
to
the
quality
of
broadband
in
new
developments.
G
G
G
G
We'll
then,
hopefully
start
to
consult
on
those
draft
policies
spring
next
year
and
then
with
submission
examination
and
adoption.
Finally,
with
an
examination
in
public
happening
in
2023,
so
yeah,
that's
the
that's.
The
final
slide,
we're
obviously
very
keen
to
hear
the
views
of
scrutiny
board
on
on
on
the
consultation
and,
as
I
say,
the
conversation
runs
until
the
13th
of
september.
A
C
Thank
you
very
much.
I
just
want
to
say
how
pleased
and
proud
I
am
of
this
piece
of
work
and
I'd
like
to
thank
adam
and
the
team
for
all
the
work
that
they
put
into
it,
and
the
fact
that
they're
going
to
consult
with
young
people
with
elderly
people
with
you
know
all
facets
of
our
community
here
in
leeds,
and
it's
a
really
important
piece
of
work
and
I'm
just
delighted
with
it.
C
So
I
hope
everybody
will
log
on
and
have
their
say
and
encourage
as
many
people
other
people
to
do
so
as
well.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
thank
you
helen.
I
don't
have
any
indications
of
questions
or
comments
at
this
stage,
so
I'll
set
the
ball
rolling.
Hopefully
I
think
one
of
the
difficulties
we've
got
with
the
planning
process,
both
as
elected
members
and
citizens.
A
A
So
you
know
the
jobs
are
good
and,
however,
does
this
update
or
elements
of
it
once
it
pans
out
and
clearly
we're
going
through
a
period
of
consultation,
give
us
any
more
teeth
in
terms
of
what
we
can
mandate
through
the
planning
process
and,
if
necessarily
necessary,
enforce,
because,
as
I
say,
that's
the
real
frustration
and
looking
through
the
documentation-
and
I
made
this
point
adam
at
chairs
brief.
It's
very
aspirational.
A
I'm
sure
that
most
of
the
people,
responding
to
a
consultation
will
say
yes,
yes,
yes,
yes,
yes
to
all
the
components,
but
I'm
not
sure
we've
made
it
absolutely
clear
that
these
many
of
these
are
aspirational
and
when
push
comes
to
shove,
we
won't
actually
be
able
to
make
them
parts
of
a
planning
permission
that
we
can
then
ultimately
enforce.
So
that
is
always
a
concern
of
mine
and
I
think
it's
probably
shared
by
other
councillors,
and
certainly
you
know,
members
of
the
public
who
take
a
particular
interest
in
planning
issues,
broad
or
local.
G
Yeah,
no,
I
I
think
I
think
that's
that's
that's
very
clear
concentrated.
Thank
you.
I
think
that's
it's
a
good
issue
and
you're
right.
It
is
an
issue.
That's
it's!
The
hot
sort
of
button
topic.
Isn't
it
about
how
how
deliverable
some
of
this
is
you're
right.
It
is
an
aspirational
document.
We
are.
We
are
at
the
vanguard,
I
think,
nationally
of
trying
to
achieve
some
of
these
standards.
I
don't
think
we
should
shrink
away
from
that.
You
know.
I
think
we
should
be
positive
about
about
trying
to
lead
the
way
on
this.
G
I
think
whether
these
things
have
teeth
will
relate
to
the
strength
of
our
evidence.
If
we
can
work
with
the
industry
to
demonstrate
that
this
work
is
viable
and
deliverable,
then
it
will
be
enshrined
in
policy.
If
it's
enshrined
in
policy,
then
applications
will
have
to
adhere
to
it.
There's
a
long
way
to
go,
as
as
you
say,
but
there's
no
reason
to
believe
that
these
will
just
be
a
policies
that
can
be
ignored.
G
So
I
think
you
know
we
we,
I
don't
want
to
preempt
the
results
of
the
consultation,
so
I
don't
know,
what's
going
to
be
those
results
or
what
the
detail
policies
might
look
like
quite
at
this
stage,
although
obviously,
as
you
can
imagine,
we've
got,
we've
got
some
ideas,
but
we're
confident
that
if
we
can
demonstrate
that
through
evidence
that
these
policies
will
have
teeth,
yeah.
B
Thank
you
sure,
yeah.
I
I
I
enjoyed
reading
this
because
I
kept
ticking
things
and
saying
yes,
that's
right!
That's
right!
So
well
done
for
that,
but
just
following
on
from
from
from
councillor
truswell's
comment
about
the
enforceability,
the
the
you
know
how
much
we
can
actually
get
in.
B
I
read
somewhere
in
the
report
and
I'm
just
trying
to
find
it,
and
I
can't
the
the
government
is
also
looking
at
changing
the
mppf
or
amending
that,
and
there
is
so
I'm
just
wondering
how
it's
it's
really
the
same
question
as
the
chairs,
how
those
two
things
are
going
to
go
together
and
will
will
changes
to
the
mppf
affect
what
we
can
do
when
it
comes
to
when
it
comes
to
the
examination.
B
That's
my
question
just
a
couple
of
comments,
and
I
will
put
most
of
my
comments-
be
honest
on
on
the
consultation,
because
I
you
know
I
I
don't
want
to
just
go
through
and
and
say
everything
but
the
ones.
I
think
what
I'd
really
like
to
do
is
to
to
look
perhaps
how
individuals
in
the
city
can
play
a
part.
So
there's
lots
of
things
about
developers
and
whatever,
but
how
we
can
impact
on
individual
choices,
and
you
know
there's
a
simple
one:
there
limits
to
the
paving
over
front
gardens
for
floods.
B
You
know
I
get
lots
and
lots
of
questions.
People
bring
me
up
and
say:
oh
my
next
door,
neighbors
just
you
know
ripped
up
all
his
is
his
lawn
he's
got
big
slabs
and
you
know
he's
turning
his
front
front
garden
into
a
car
park.
Is
there
anything
anything
planning
can
do
and
it's
always
difficult
to
say?
Oh
yes,
they
can
no.
They
can't.
B
You
know
some
something
like
that
and
on
the
front
on
on
sort
of
the
gardens
point
again
it's
about
individual
choices
sometimes,
but
they
don't
always
take
the
choices
we,
like
you
know,
people
ripping
up
trees,
ripping
up
hedges,
putting
up
high
hedges,
making
their
their
houses
compounds,
and
that
has
obviously
the
impact
on
wildlife,
biodiversity,
all
those
sorts
of
things.
And
it's
how
much
as
a
a
planning
document
can
you
impose
on
those
individual
choices,
and
I
have
views
on
that.
B
But
I've
been
see
how,
from
a
planning
point
of
view,
it's
easy
with
a
developer,
because
you
say:
if
you
don't
do
this,
we
don't
give
you
and
you
don't
make
any
money
for
someone
who's
saying.
Well,
I
don't
want
my
hedge
there.
I
don't
want
that
tree
there.
That's
my
choice,
but
we
say
no
you've
got
to
have
it
there
because
it's
part
of
a
wider,
a
wider,
a
wider
issue.
That's
probably
all
I'm
going
to
say
actually,
because
I've
ravaged
john
excuse
the
plan
for
for
a
while.
B
I
I
don't
sit
on
the
plans
panel
anymore,
but
I
did
for
several
years
and
parking
really
always
comes
to
be
the
one
that
you
you
know
if
it's
a
small
development
of
flats,
how
many
parking
places
you
have
if
it's
an
extension,
what's
this
doing
with
parking
and
parking
and
therefore
the
car
seems
to
dominate
decisions
and
how
do
we
move
away
from
that?
And
and
are
we
really
prepared
to
bite
the
bullet
and
say
well?
B
Actually
we're
not
taking
the
car
into
consideration
on
this
we're
taking
in
wider
we're
taking
wide
things
you
you
know,
some
developments
would
be
able
to
say.
Well,
actually
you
live
there.
You'll
have
to
learn
to
live
without
your
car.
I
I
know
some
parts
of
nottingham
in
the
bay
heritage
parts
there
were
flats
there
and
when
they
were
for
sale,
it's
quite
clear.
This
is
not
suitable.
If
you
want
to
park
your
car
close
to
close,
you
know
and
and
and
planners,
have
taken
a
bit
in
the
bullet
on
that.
B
I'm
just
wondering
how,
if
we're
really
prepared
to
do
that,
and
it
also
then
flows
into
parking
restrictions
say
in
the
city.
Are
we
prepared
to
make
it
really
difficult
for
people
to
bring
their
cars
into
the
city
I'll
leave
it
at
that
chair?
It's
a
bit
of
a
ramble,
but.
G
Thank
you,
john.
Thank
you,
councillor,
bentley,
the
the
issue
of
things
like
the
mppf.
Let's,
if
we
start
with
that
one,
the
the
mp
mppf
is
obviously
a
key
part
of
of
of
what
we
do
at
a
local
level.
G
We
have
to
implement
our
policies
in
accordance
with
with
national
policy,
and
it's
interesting
that
just
two
days
ago,
actually
changes
were
made
to
to
the
mppf,
which
actually,
I
think,
were
very
helpful
in
many
respects,
because
they
they
made
more
reference
to
to
mitigating
climate
change
and
and
what
what
that
should
be
enshrined
in
what
plans
are
trying
to
do
so.
I
think
that
gives
us
some
confidence
in
in
what
what
we're
doing,
but
you're,
absolutely
right.
G
Further
changes,
as
we've
tried
to
detail
in
in
the
report
and
certainly
to
executive
board
and
development
plans
panel,
is
the
risk
of
that.
You
know
if,
if,
as
was
mooted
at
the
the
planning
white
through
the
planning
white
paper,
that
there
might
be
a
national
set
of
development
management
policies
and
therefore
councils
weren't
able
to
have
their
own
policies
well,
that
would
obviously
have
a
huge
impact
on
our
ability
to
to
pursue
this
agenda.
G
G
I
think
we
need
to.
We
obviously
need
to
sort
of
embrace
that
that
general
direction-
that's
in
the
mppf
as
it
currently
stands
today
and
obviously
be
mindful
of
what's
coming
up
in
the
future.
The
risk
is
that
if
we,
if
all
we
did,
was
wait
until
the
perfect
suite
of
national
policies
were
in
place
and
then
we
decided
to
move
on
on
local
policies,
we'd
be
too
late.
G
I
think
because,
as
you
as
you
know,
as
you
can
tell
from
the
timetable
that
I
set
out,
takes
a
long
time
to
create
and
adopt
new
planning
policies,
so
we
have
to.
We
have
to
jump
a
little
bit
early.
If
we
want
to
be
ambitious
about
that,
but
I
don't
think
there's
anything
to
fear
in
the
mppf
at
all.
I
think
it's
supportive
of
of
of
trying
local
authorities
making
strides
to
to
tackle
a
climate
emergency
and
legislation
obviously
requires
us
to
do
that
as
well.
G
In
terms
of
your
points
about
individual
choices,
it's
a
really
good
point
and
we've
had
that
debate
internally.
Quite
a
lot
you're
right,
we
can
set
policies
that
are
quite
clear
for
developers.
G
It
is
harder
for
individual
choices
if
it's
individual
choices
that
don't
require
planning
permission,
then
there
is
a
limit
to
what
the
planning
system
can
clearly
do
and
the
example
you
raised
about
from
gardens
is
a
very
good
one
because,
as
we
say
in
the
material,
we
ask
the
question
of
whether
people
think
we
we
should
go
further
on
on
that.
But
what
we
do
say
is
we
acknowledge,
there's
a
limit
to
the
planning
system
here,
because,
as
long
as
people
put
porous
materials
in
it
doesn't
require
planning
permission
at
the
moment.
G
So
what
we
were
discussing
in
the
material
is
whether
better
guidance
should
be
provided
to
try
and
encourage
people
to
use
better
materials
or
to
leave
it
as
green
space.
That
has
a
bio
diversity
function
as
well,
so
we
can
do
some
things
through
guidance,
it's
not
as
restrictive
or
as
you
know,
it's
not
something
we
can
enforce
against,
but
it
it
does
at
least
provide
good
practice
to
people,
and
they
can
see
the
benefits
of
doing
that.
Hopefully,
in
terms
of
things
like
ripping
up
trees
and
hedgerows.
G
There's
a
there's
a
current
issue
with
on
a
national
level,
with
things
like
tree
preservation
orders
that
they
really
only
look
at
and
they
can
only
be
put
in
place
as
a
result
of
the
amenity
value
of
of
a
tree.
We're
we're
lobbying
government
to
try
and
broaden
that
out
to
consider
the
the
carbon
value
and
biodiversity
value
of
of
trees
as
well,
because
they
don't
just
have
that
single
function
of
being
nice
to
look
at.
Although
they
clearly
are
they
all.
G
They
also
have
all
the
functions
as
well,
but
if,
as
long
as
we're
only
able
to
apply
tpo's
tree
preservation
orders
for
immediate
reasons
that
does
limit
some
of
our
abilities
to
protect
them.
For
other
reasons,
but
that's
not
part
of
this
material
in
terms
of
an
individual
chopping
down
a
tree,
because
that
sits
outside
of
our
control
at
the
moment
other
than
through
tpos.
G
But
what
we
do
say
is:
should
we
be
going
further
in
terms
of
tree
replacement,
because
clearly,
I
think
at
the
moment
we've
got
a
one
for
three.
So
if
you
chop
down
one,
you
replace
it
with
three
which
doesn't
really
come
close
to
replacing
the
carbon
value
that
may
have
been
lost
by
a
mature
tree.
G
G
It's
already
been
proven
to
be
probably
slightly
out
of
out
of
date
now,
so
there
are
things
that
we
can
do
there,
but
there's
also
things
that
other
parts
of
the
council
are
doing
as
well,
and
clearly
it's
not
it's
not
planning
necessarily,
but
as
a
council
as
a
whole
in
terms
of
our
messaging
about
climate
change,
I
think
there's
so
much
more
awareness
of
it
than
there's
ever
been
before
the
climate
conversation
that
happened
got
so
many
people
talking
about
it
and
as
tragic
as
they
are.
G
Final
point
about
things
like
car
parking
standards,
there's,
obviously
a
lot
that
the
the
highways
authority
are
doing
about
these
issues.
We've
got
the
connecting
leads
consultation
that
recently
closed,
and
I
know
they're,
obviously
going
through
a
lot
of
those
detailed
responses
now
about
how
we
better
integrate
public
transport
and
wiki
not
to
stand
on
their
toes,
but
to
be
supportive
of
them
and
to
help
their
initiatives.
G
But
I
think
the
kind
of
central
point
is
that
better
design
places
kind
of
breed
more
more
sustainable
choices.
If
we
make
places
that
you
can
travel
easily
by
foot
or
by
bicycle
that
that
it
doesn't
force
you
to
not
use
your
car,
but
it
at
least
gives
you
a
positive
choice
to
not
use
your
car.
It's
not
at
the
moment.
G
The
scope
of
this
document
to
be
talking
about
parking
standards,
that's
something
that
that's
covered
through
the
transport
spd,
which
is
which
is
still
currently
in
development,
but
we'll
obviously
wait
to
see
what
comes
out
the
consultation
to
see
whether
the
the
scope
could
perhaps
include
that
in
future
iterations.
I
think
that
was
all
all
the
issues
counselor,
but
obviously
come
back.
If
I
didn't
cover
anything.
B
That
was
a
very
full
and
helpful
answer
adam.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
Yes,
thank
you
adam
just,
firstly,
to
briefly
echo
the
comments
of
both
paul
and
jonathan
about
the
whether
when
it's
finished
it
will
have
teeth,
because
I
think
that's
really
important
and
when
I
read
through
the
report
prior
to
this
meeting,
there
were
a
number
of
things
struck
me
and
one
that
I
was
just
briefly
scanning
back
to
was
the
idea
of
buildings
reducing
carbon
emissions
to
a
zero
carbon
standard.
C
It
things
like
that,
I'm
going
back
onto
zoom.
I
couldn't
find
myself
I've
skipped
off
to
find
the
document.
You
know
yes,
absolutely
100.
We
need
to
be
doing
that,
but
if
it's
in
there
will
we
then
further
down
the
line
be
able
to
impose
that
is
it
is
when
it
it
really
becomes
important,
but
just
to
skip
back
to
the
questions
you
asked
us
at
the
beginning,
you
said:
is
this
the
right
scope
and
I
think
yes,
it
is.
C
What
do
we
feel
well
personally,
and
I
I
think
it's
hugely
important,
that
we
are
having
climate
conversations
and
you
know
from
my
personal
point
of
view
we
have
to
get
to
net
zero.
We
have
to
do
it
and
we
have
to
make
some
massively
difficult
choices
to
do
that
and-
and
so
this
fits
into
the
whole
climate
agenda.
So
yeah,
that's
my
personal.
What
do
we
feel?
Is
there
anything
missed?
I
don't
think
so.
C
I
think
it's
it's
very
comprehensive
and
having
a
look
on
my
phone
at
the
the
way
that
you
can
complete
it,
I
like
the
fact
that
you
can
complete
it
in
different
sections,
because
it's
huge
and
my
biggest
fear-
and
I
we've
probably
all
been
there-
is
you
you
think
I
think
I'll
complete
this
survey
and
then,
after
a
couple
of
minutes
of
doing
question
after
question,
you
know
I
can't
be
bothered
anymore
and
then
you
just
stop,
and
I
do
think
that
is
still
a
bit
of
a
danger.
C
But
it's
it's
a
difficult
one.
Isn't
it
because
if
it's
going
to
be
meaningful,
it
needs
to
have
lots
of
questions,
but
it
does
have
the
danger
of
of
people
getting
part
way
through
and
then
saying.
Oh
that's
too
much
for
me.
I
think
that's,
that's
probably
it
from
me.
G
Yeah,
I
I
mean
in
terms
of
the
the
teeth
aspect.
Obviously
I
I
tried
to
cover
off
elements
of
that.
I
I
think
particularly
related
to
the
zero
carbon
developments.
The
the
word
there
is
viability.
You
know
it's,
it's
absolutely
crucial
that
we
can
demonstrate
that
this,
that
this
will
work
and
it's
cost
effective.
The
good
news
on
that
is
that
kind
of
early
indications
are
that
you
know,
through
the
schemes
that
we
know
that
have
already
delivered
this,
not
just
in
leeds,
but
in
other
parts
of
the
country.
G
G
When
you
try
and
say
retrofit
buildings
that
it
becomes
quite
expensive,
but
if
I
think
if,
if,
if
developers
start
to
enshrine
this
way
of
thinking
quite
early
early
on
in
their
design
processes,
it
can
be
very
effective,
effective
and
very
deliverable,
but
we're
obviously
on
a
journey
with
with
with
developers
on
that
they're
on
their
own
journeys
in
terms
of
how
they're
working
through
these
issues
and
we've
spoken
to
many
of
them
as
part
of
this
week.
G
As
part
of
this
consultation
and
the
the
the
messages
we're
getting,
are
very
positive,
they're
very
keen
to
to
be
involved
in
this
and
very
keen
to
to
show
their
climate
credentials
as
well.
So
I
don't
think
we've
got
anything
to
fear
there.
I
think
we
just
need
to
make
sure
we
get
our
evidence
really
really
tight
on
that.
We
can
show
that
it's
deliverable
thanks
for
yeah,
for
agreeing
with
the
scope.
That's
that's
really
helpful
and
thank
you
for
the
kind
words
about
how
we've
we've
organized
it.
G
On
the
web,
I
mean
big
shout
out
to
colleagues
in
in
web
team
and
and
and
graphics
creative
services.
Who've
done
a
fantastic
job
in
pulling
the
material
together
working
alongside
obviously
also
in
planning,
it's
a
real
joint
approach
and
we're
trying
to
do
something
a
bit
different
with
this
we're
trying
to
make
it
easier
to
to
complete.
I
think
it's,
the
first
one
we've
had
where
you
could
complete
a
consultation
on
your
phone,
but
it's
the
way
that
we
need
to
to
go
in
the
future.
G
So
this
is
a
really
useful
test
for
us,
so
hopefully
it
continues
to
work
for
you
and
if
you
have
any
issues,
obviously
just
let
us
know.
A
Yeah
thanks
very
much
adam,
I
mean,
I
think
the
only
downside
is
the
lack
of
the
opportunity
because
of
kovid
to
engage
potentially
face
to
face
with
people
through
drop-ins
or
whatever.
But
it's
understood
why
that's
not
been
a
a
feasible
component,
okay!
Well,
no
one
else
has
indicated
they
wanting
to
speak
helen.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
come
back
in
briefly.
C
I've
not
got
much
to
add.
I
think
the
board
made
to
some
really
valid
points,
especially
about
enforcement
and
and
how
we,
actually,
you
know,
make
sure
our
ambitions
that
developers,
in
particular
you
know,
adhere
to
the
the
ambitions
of
ourselves
and,
but,
more
importantly,
the
people
of
leeds.
So
well,
that's
something
we'll
work
on.
F
A
Okay,
thanks
very
much
right.
We
can
move
on
to
agenda
item
seven
the
work
schedule,
which
is
on
page
259
wow.
I
think
there
are
three
elements
to
this
that
probably
the
board
needs
to
recurse
in
the
public
meeting,
although
we
did
have
discussion
of
some
of
them
in
our
pre-meeting.
A
A
We
can
do
in
the
here
and
now,
obviously
we're
not
a
decision-making
body
because
of
the
fact
that
we're
meeting
remotely
rather
than
in
person
and
actually
even
if
we
were
meeting
in
person
and
could
make
decisions,
it
probably
wouldn't
address
the
immediate
issue
of
the
road
closure.
But
I
think
there
was
a
consensus
across
the
piece
that
there
are
maybe
lessons
to
be
learned
or
at
least
tested
in
terms
of
the
process
that
have
gone
through
that
might
be
applied
in
the
future.
A
I
think
the
second
point
relating
to
the
the
reference
from
the
disability
group
is
that
we
acknowledge
that
councillor
hayden
has
indicated
that
she's
gonna
have
a
further
meeting
and
that
we
will
await
the
outcome
of
that
further
meeting.
However,
in
order
to
get
the
logistics
right,
I
think
there
is
agreement
that
we
should
pencil
in
a
specific
physical
board
meeting
to
discuss
one
or
both
of
these
referrals,
and
indeed
the
way
things
are
going
there
may
be
others.
A
So
is
that
a
fair
synopsis
of
the
discussion
that
we
had
and
the
members
who
weren't
present
in
the
pre-meeting?
Are
you
agreeable
to
that?
Or
do
you
have
any
other
questions
or
comments
to
make
I'll
take
silence
as
agreement
and
the
only
other
item
unless
there's
anything
that
board
members
want
to
raise?
In
addition,
are
the
draft
terms
of
reference
for
our
road
safety
inquiry
that
will
begin
in
september
and
gone
into
october?
A
I
think
they
are
pretty
broad
and
allow
us
to
look
at
virtually
anything
we
want
to,
and
I
think
that's
always
a
good
test
of
terms
of
reference
unless
you're
wanting
to
shackle
people-
and
we
certainly
don't
want
to
shackle
ourselves.
But
are
they
agreeable
or
are
there
any
other
comments
or
observations
that
people
want
to
make
jonathan.
B
Thanks
chair
in
the
paragraph
2.1
scope
of
the
inquiry,
you
lift
list
where
we
want
to
make
some
recommendations.
B
What
I
would
like
to
add
to
that
is
looking
at
the
criteria
for
how
we
agree
and
implement
road
safety
measures,
I'm
particularly
thinking
of
pedestrian
crossings
and
informal
refuges,
etc.
The
the
reason
I'm
asking
this
is
it
seems
a
very
high
bar.
You
have
to
reach
to
get
together
to
get
a
pedestrian
crossing
or
or
any
sort
of
informal
crossing,
and
the
the
logic
seems
to
be.
B
We
will
go
out
and
survey
it
and
come
back
and
say
to
you:
no,
you
can't
have
a
cross
in
there,
because
not
many
people
cross
that
road.
You
say
well,
yeah
the
reason
they're
not
crossing
that
road
is
it's
too
dangerous
to
cross.
You
know
it's
just
reverse
logic.
It's
like
people
used
to
say:
oh,
we
don't
want
a
disabled
ramp
because
we
don't
get
any
disabled
people
here.
You
know
he's
one
of
those,
so
I
just
I
just
like
to
re-examine,
or
at
least
get
some
discussion
on
that
particular
process.
A
Okay,
thanks
jonathan,
I
don't
think
there
was
any
intention
at
all
to
to
exclude
that,
because,
obviously
it's
something
that
we
all
come
up
against
against
is
probably
the
wrong
adverb,
but
that
we
that
we
have
to
come
to
grips
with
as
ward
members
as
well
as
collectively,
and
it
is
something
that
we've
looked
at
in
the
past.
There
was
actually
a
referral
a
couple
of
years
ago
from
jonathan
and
his
hosts
with
colleagues
about
the
whole
process
of
how
crossing
locations
are
determined
so
yeah.
A
A
So
with
that.
Well,
it's
not
really
an
addendum,
because
I
think
it
would
have
come
up
anyway.
We
would
have
had
the
opportunity
to
discuss
it,
but
I
think
there's
no
reason
why
it
can't
be
another
bullet
point
so
that
we
are
clear
that
that
is
something
we
we
want
to.
We
want
to
look
at
specifically
with
that
addition.
Is
everyone
agreeable
to
those
terms
of
reference,
yeah?
Okay,
that
looks
like
a
general.
Yes,
I
don't
think
there's
anything
more
to
add
into
the
work
program.
A
Excellent
love
it
okay!
So
thanks
very
much
everyone
for
your
attendance.
I
think
we've
added
another
interesting
set
of
topics
and
discussions
and
questions
and
responses,
and
no
doubt
we
will
see
each
other
in
other
forums
between
now
and
the
next
meeting,
but
that's
on
the
29th
of
september
and
I
suspect
that
the
specific
meeting
to
look
at
referrals
will
be
before
that,
but
obviously,
in
my
usual
fashion
I
will
consult
members
about
the
most
convenient
day.