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A
There
we
go
good
morning.
Everyone
welcome
to
the
february
meeting
of
this
scrutiny
board
for
the
benefit
mainly
of
the
public,
any
of
them
who
are
watching
I'm
going
to
go
through
the
membership
of
the
board
and
ask
board
members
to
introduce
themselves.
D
Neil
councillor,
neil
dalton,
representing
molly
southward,
thank
you.
A
A
A
Guys
in
rhode
island-
and
I
I'm
paul
trusswell-
I
represent
middleton
and
bell
isle
and
I
also
chair
this
board.
Okay,
moving
on
to
the
statutory
elements
of
the
agenda
agenda
item,
one
appeals:
I'm
not
aware
of
any
agenda
item
two
exclusion
of
public.
I
don't
think
there
are
any
items
for
which
that's
applicable
gender
items.
Three
late
items:
there
are
no
late
items,
a
gender
item
for
declarations
of
interest.
I
don't
think
we've
received
any,
but
if
you
do
have
any,
please
declare
them
appropriately
and
apologies.
A
We've
got
apologies
from
councillor
blake
who
will
be
attending.
I
understand,
but
has
to
leave
to
a
chair
a
meeting
of
the
court
cities
at
10
45,
and
we
also
have
apologies
from
councillor
cooper,
dave,
feeney
and
martin
elliot
okay.
With
that
move
on
to
agenda
item
six,
the
minutes
of
the
last
meeting
and,
in
usual
fashion,
I'll
go
through
them
page
by
page.
Please
shout
out
if
you
have
got
any
corrections
to
make
or
any
points
to
raise
so
page,
one
which
is
page
five
on
your
agenda
papers.
A
A
A
Thank
you
very
much
that
takes
us
on
to
agenda
item
seven,
which
is
our
latest
update
on
the
inclusive
growth
strategy,
which
is
obviously
for
the
last
few
years,
been
one
of
our
recurring
and
developing
items
and
obviously
takes
on
an
even
greater
importance
because
it
addresses
the
the
needs
of
those
sections
of
the
community
who
we
know
have
been
most
seriously
affected
by
the
pandemic.
So
it's
a
pretty
comprehensive
compendium
of
items
that
that
I
think
eve
is
going
to
kick
off
with
so
before
you
do
eve.
A
Could
you
introduce
yourself
and
could
I
think,
fiona
I'm
just
looking?
I
can't
see
that
counselor
blake
has
joined
as
yet
or
have
I
am
I
missing
her.
H
Yeah
hello,
hello,
chair,
so
my
name
is
eva
rutalis,
I'm
the
chief
officer
for
culture
and
economy.
Martin
long
is
also
here
to
support
me
on
this
item.
So
if
martin
introduces
himself
after
fiona
as
well
so
over
to
you.
A
H
Right,
so
let
me
just
make
sure
I've
can
get
these
up
there.
We
go.
H
And
make
sure
I
get
this
on
full
screen
for
you
there,
okay,
so
I
just
wanted
to
ground
you
all,
as,
as
the
chair
said,
there
is
a
lot
of
information
in
this
latest
update.
So
what
you've
got
in
the
report
is
a
lot
of
information
regarding
the
uk
context
and
the
local
economic
impact
in
leeds
in
relation
to
covid.
H
H
We
touch
on
what
we're
doing
to
help
reset
and
renew,
which
is
one
of
the
themes
in
the
economic
recovery
framework.
So
we
outline
the
work
that
we're
doing
to
look
at
the
future
of
our
city
and
district
centres.
The
transport
strategy
which
has
been
published
and
some
work
that
we're
also
doing
on
the
digital
strategy
for
the
city.
H
The
report
also
touches
a
little
bit
on
building
resilience,
including
green
initiatives,
with
one
eye
on
some
of
the
work
we
need
to
do
later
in
this
year
to
help
sort
of
inform
a
refresh
of
the
inclusive
growth
strategy
at
a
future
point
in
the
annex.
You've
also
got
information
around
the
social
progress
index,
which
is
the
approach
we're
taking
to
measuring
inclusive
growth
for
your
information,
just
in
terms
of
just
giving
some
of
the
highlights
around
the
information
that
is
is
in
the
report
on
the
local
economy.
H
The
city
centre
vacancy
rate
that
we
we're
seeing
in
terms
of
empty
units
is
now
almost
at
14,
which
is
up
from
just
around
10
in
february
2020,
and
there
is
a
particular
increase
in
vacancy
rates
for
arcades
and
that's
risen
to
kind
of
over
19
from
12
in
terms
of
youth
unemployment.
That's
risen
from
three
percent
in
september
2019,
compared
to
7.5
september
2020..
H
If
you
look
at
footfall
at
the
beginning
of
february,
was
down
by
an
average
of
81
compared
to
12
months
ago,
and
he's
been
consistently
down
around
that
level
during
the
latest
period
of
of
lockdown
traffic
flow
over
the
last
fortnight
was
at
66
percent
compared
to
12
months
ago
also,
so
these
are
comparable
to
the
levels
that
we
had
experienced
in
previous
lockdowns
so
and
have
been
fairly
consistent.
H
But
it's
just
useful
for
people
to
for
everyone
to
sort
of
be
aware
of
how
the
situation
is
panning
out.
At
the
moment
there
is
information,
that's
being
that's
available
to
us
from
west
yorkshire,
around
the
increase
in
business
liquidations
across
industries,
and
I
think
all
sectors
have
seen
increases
compared
to
december.
H
But
I
would
just
flag
that
wholesale
and
retail
have
had
the
highest
number
of
liquidation
dissolutions
in
january
at
320,
which
is
up
196
on
december,
and
then
of
course,
you
know
we're
seeing
liquid
liquidations
in
areas
that
you
might
expect
in
terms
of
arts
and
entertainment,
transport
and
storage,
accommodation
and
food
as
well.
H
There's
also
west
yorkshire.
Information
also
gives
us
feedback
around
business
confidence,
and
so
you
can
see
how
that
that
varies
around
different
sectors
which
again
correlates
with
our
understanding
of
the
sectors
which
are
particularly
under
pressure
at
the
moment,
accommodation
and
food
and
in
particular,
for
example,
up
there
at
the
top.
H
So
finally
chair,
the
the
other
aspects-
that's
kind
of
set
in
the
report
around
building
resilience,
just
to
give
some
context
around
that.
We
know
that
kovid
19
has
accelerated
the
trends
in
the
economy.
We've
talked
about
that
a
little
at
scrutiny
last
year,
and
as
a
result
of
that,
we
are
kicking
off
some
work
to
help
us
understand
those
trends
to
help
inform
them
further
interventions.
H
So
we
have
the
work,
that's
underway
around
the
future
of
city
and
district
centers.
H
We
are
planning
to
do
some
work
in
the
next
coming
months
around
looking
at
employment
and
skills
and
making
sure
that
we're
doing
everything
we
can
have
a
shared
plan
to
respond
to
those
accelerated
trends
and
then,
of
course,
green
opportunities
moving
forward.
So
there
are
some
suggestions
from
external
reports
that
leads
should
be
a
hot
spot
for
new
green
jobs,
and
we
feel
we
just
need
to
do
some
work
ourselves
to
capitalize
on
that
so
chair.
I
hope
that
provides
a
helpful
intro
and
I'll
stop
sharing
my
screen
now.
H
Thanks
sorry,
chair
thanks.
For
that
eve,
I.
C
Just
wondered:
has
there
been
any
work
done
yet
specifically
on
local
centers
and
closing
businesses,
just
that
in
my
world
of
army
we're
seeing
a
fair
few
units.
H
C
Yeah
so
in
terms
of
we
haven't
what
we
haven't
done
is
we
haven't
looked
at
specific
centers
and
what
is
closing?
We
do
get
some
of
that
information
through
generally,
as
part
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
on
city
and
local
centers.
We
are
asking
people
about
about
their
local
center,
but
also
about
and
their
behavior,
so
have
they
been
using
the
center
mall.
Have
they
be?
C
You
know,
what's
happening
not
so
much
about
specific
closures,
but
more
about
understanding
the
behavior
and
understanding
what
people
are
doing
and
what
their
plans
are
over
the
next
12
months
as
well.
So
I
can
go
back
and
check
where
the
information
is
about
about
specific
local
centers.
C
I'm
closing
sorry
shops
closing,
but
there
is
an
opportunity
for
people
in
leeds
to
feed
in
their
thoughts
about
things
at
the
moment,
and
we
kicked
that
off
last
week
and
you
should
already
have
that
link
from
mariana's
note
last
week,
but
I'll
put
it
in
again
this
week.
If
you
need
it
as
well,.
A
Okay,
neil,
I
think
you've
indicated
in
the
chat
that
you
want
to
comment.
B
Yes,
thanks
chair
just
a
a
quick
comment:
I'll
probably
have
some
questions
later
on,
but
if
you
don't
mind
me
just
making
a
quick
comment
initially,
it's
interesting,
isn't
it
we
look
at
these
figures
about
various
economic
performances
which
are
all
bad
and
figures
are
one
thing,
but
I
think
we
need
to
just
remind
ourselves,
in
my
view,
if
we
didn't
already
that
all
this
means
further
on
in
the
report,
there's
a
lot
of
reference
to
inequality
and
poverty
and
every
lockdown
that
we
have
and
a
cessation
effectively
of
economic
activity
means
more
inequality
and
more
poverty,
and
there
is
no
free
hit
here.
B
A
B
Well,
it's
referring
to
the
text
a
little
bit
the
report
a
little
bit
further
on
chair.
I
did
have
one
or
two
things
in
connection
with,
for
example,
I've
made
a
note
of
it
here
right
up
to
page
19.
Actually
you
want
me
to
yeah
go
yep,
it's
in
the
respond
section
and
there's
quite
a
bit
here
in
in
311
about
widening
footways
and
providing
signage
and
all
this
kind
of
thing,
and
ironically,
of
course,
we're
now
just
about
to
embark
on
getting
out
of
all
this
situation.
B
B
In
my
view,
and
I
think,
on
that
same
theme,
we've
got
all
these
temporary
widening
of
footways
with
these
red
barriers
and
so
forth.
Well,
when
the
two
meters
and
normality
is
restored,
we're
not
going
to
want
that,
are
we
or
if
we
are
going
to
want
the
pavements
restored.
B
A
Okay,
thank
you
neil.
I
think
we're
probably
asking
the
wrong
people,
because
although
this
is
a
comprehensive
report,
a
very
comprehensive
report,
I
think
it
does
go
beyond
the
kind
of
focus
of
of
inclusive
growth
but
eve
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
pitch
in
and
an
answer
that
question.
I
think
it's
probably
more
one
more
for
highways
and
transport,
but
I.
A
I
Yeah,
sorry,
sorry
chao,
I
wasn't.
I
wasn't
planning
to
speak
much
on
on
this
paper.
I'm
gonna,
let
eve,
take
the
lead,
but
I'll
in
the
absence
of
highways,
councillor
buckley
I'll
I'll,
try
and
proffer
an
answer
for
you
to
be
helpful.
Interestingly,
we
did
have
a
discussion
before
the
meeting
council
trust
where
the
highways
were
needed
and,
against
my
wisdom,
I
I
said
they
weren't
so
more
for
me.
Oh,
let
me
get.
I
Yeah,
I
think
I
think,
council
buckley
here,
you
know
you
you
you
you
set
out
the
the
the
points
you
make.
Well,
I
I
think
what
we're
actively
doing-
and
it
was
the
subject
of
quite
a
detailed
discussion
that
I
was
having
just
before
I
came
on.
This
call
is
about
how
we
plan
for
a
return
to
normality
during
the
during
the
course
of
this
year,
and
I
think
the
headline
thinking
is
about
thinking
about
it
in
three
phases.
I
So
the
current
position
that
we're
in
and
how
we
manage
under
the
lockdown,
as
and
as
people
get
vaccinated,
then
post
the
the
formal
announcement
that
may
come
on
on
monday
and
we'll
have
to
see
what
that
is,
how
we
transition
into
some
relaxations
of
the
existing
restrictions
and
then
perhaps
for
the
third
part
of
the
year,
repositioning
into
some
form
of
more
normal
ways
of
working,
albeit
I
think
it
is
fair
to
say
that
the
current
thinking
is
that
things
will
not
be
the
same
as
they
were
pre-locked
down.
I
There
will
be
implications
and
there
will
also
perhaps
be
some
different
ways
of
working
that
we
value
that
we
think
well.
Actually,
we
need
to
maintain
that,
so
I
think
I
think
your
points
on
there
have
been
temporary
measures
brought
forward
on
the
highway.
We
will
have
to
think
about
whether
any
of
them
become
permanent
or
not.
I
think,
within
that
line
of
thinking,
we
have
used
the
time
well
on
the
on
the
delivery
of
our
number
of
schemes
where
footfall
has
been
quieter.
I
So,
on
the
point
of
widening
pavements,
we
have
been
doing
that
work
on
power.
Crow
we've
been
doing
that
work
on
the
head
row.
We've
completed
greek
street
during
during
this
period
and
as
as,
as
we
discussed
last
week,
councilor
buckley
we're
bringing
forward
the
scheme
on
the
corn
exchange.
I
You
can
see
in
that
mid
phase
in
the
middle
of
the
year,
where,
in
terms
of
with
with
better
weather,
hopefully
during
during
this
the
late
spring
and
summer,
encouraging
people
perhaps
to
meet
more
outdoors
than
they
may
have
done
indoors,
and
so
those
kind
of
interim
stages
of
work
in
terms
of
how
we
facilitate
that
will
all
be
part
of
our
thinking
and
planning
and
any
views
or
input
that
members
of
scrutiny
want
to
have
into
us
finalizing.
Those
plans
you
know,
would
be
most
welcome.
B
Just
briefly
chair,
yes,
could
martin
just
give
me
an
assurance
that
there
will
be
no
element
of
gold
plating
or
mission
creep
in
leeds,
so
that
we
will
do
what
the
government
say
to
do
and
we
will
go
back
to
normal
as
soon
as
we
can
in
every
possible
way
without
trying
to
gold-plate
it
and
delay
it
in
some
way.
I
Yeah,
it's
difficult
for
me
to
give
assurances
council
of
buckley
on
on
things
that
perhaps
I
can't
anticipate
at
this
point
in
time.
I
think
I
think
it
is
a
case
of
we
as
a
council.
We
have
to
take
a
step
back
and
think
about
how
things
have
changed
through
the
pandemic
and
poster
pandemic,
and
I
think
there
has
to
be
a
consideration
with
all
members
of
council
then
as
to
what
approach
we
take
going
forward.
That
may
lead
to.
You
know
some
some
changes.
G
Thank
you
chair.
It
was,
it
was
just
a
question.
I
don't
know
whether
it's
to
to
evo
or
to
fiona
with
regards
to.
I
was
a
bit
surprised
to
hear
council
coming
and
say
that
a
lot
of
shops
are
closing
in
her
district
center,
because
I
find
that
my
local
centers
are
busier
than
ever
and
certainly
were
on
the
run
up
to
christmas
busier,
and
when
we
released
that
lockdown
in
december
people
said
to
me,
the
city
center
became
the
same
as
it
always
was.
G
Well,
it
didn't
feel
the
same
as
it
always
was
to
me.
It
felt
relatively
comfortable,
but
businesses
can't
survive
on
relatively
comfortable
because
there's
not
enough
footfall
and
I
just
wonder
if
we'd
assessed
when
we
do
open
up
and
cancer
buckley,
I
think,
has
a
as
a
faster
process
for
opening
up
than,
I
think
will
happen.
Are
people
going
to
come
back
to
the
city
center?
Are
they
going
to
stick
with
their
district
center
because
it
has
an
impact
on
what
we
can
re-let
in
the
city
center?
G
You
know
you
talk
about
arcades
a
lot
of
vacancies.
Clearly,
the
businesses
don't
think
that
people
are
going
to
be
wanting
or
able
to
get
into
a
more
enclosed
basis.
So
I
think
the
footfall
will
be
on
the
main
streets,
but
it's
just
a
case
of
how
have
we
worked
out
really
what
is
going
to
happen
when
we
release
particularly
the
non-essential
retail
side
of
things,
and
why
are
people
going
to
come
back
to
the
city
center?
Is
that
impacts
on
public
transport?
G
I
think
we
probably
can
expect
that
the
office
people
are
not
coming
back
in
2021.
I
think
a
lot
of
people
are
telling
me
that
particularly
the
banking
sector
have
written
off
2021
for
certainly
enforcing
employees
to
come
back
and
in
some
cases,
taking
volunteers
back
and
so
have
we
have.
We
assessed
all
that
in
the
round
to
see
just
what
measures
we
need
to
put
in
during
2021,
particularly
on
public
transport,
and
that
sort
of
thing.
H
So
councillor
was,
I
think,
two
two
two
aspects
to
an
answer
to
that
question.
So
one
is
the
is
tied
up
in
some
ways
with
what
martin
was
just
talking
about.
So
we
know
from
when
we
sort
of
when
restrictions
were
kind
of
reduced
from
last
year
from
from
data
that
we
had,
that
footfall
did
recover
and
also
that
spend
did
recover
in
the
city
centre.
So
we
have
seen
information
that
suggests
there's.
H
Quite
there
was
quite
a
good
rebound
on
visa
spend
in
leeds
city
centre,
for
example
over
the
summer
period,
when,
if
you
recall
leeds,
was
not
under
restrictions,
when
parts
of
the
northwest
were,
we
only
went
into
sort
of
tiered
restrictions
in
at
the
end
of
september
and
as
a
city
comparatively
leads
city
centre
did
better
than
other
cities
in
relation
to
that
recovery,
even
though
comparatively
footfall
might
not
have
bounced
back
as
much
because
it's
actually
the
physical
spend
that
I
suppose
matters
to
some
of
the
the
businesses.
H
So
the
trend
from
the
summer
would
suggest
that
footfall
will
will
return.
The
the
question
around,
I
think,
there's
two
other
dynamics
to
your
question.
One
is
how
might
footfall
change
and
reverse
compared
to
how
people
have
behaved
differently
because
of
working
from
home.
So
do
we
anticipate,
for
example,
that
people
will
more
people
have
been
living
close
to
their
local
centres
and
perhaps
spending
more
money
there?
Will
they
carry
on
that
trend?
I
think,
is
one
of
the
questions
you're
asking
and
the
other
question
around.
H
When
will
office
workers
return,
because
we
know
that
the
city
centre
is
particularly
dependent
on
office
workers
returning,
so
that
that
strays
into
more
of
the
longer
term
work
that
we're
doing,
which
is
fiona's
been
overseeing
and
work,
is
overseeing
and
working
with
arapan,
where
we're
looking
to
get
data
information
from
that
we
have
in
the
council
through
kind
of
those
footfall
trends
through
engaging
with
the
city,
both
with
with
partners
like
the
property
forum
at
the
chamber
of
commerce,
but
also
with
residents
through
the
survey
that
we've
got
open
at
the
moment.
H
So
we
can
try
and
look
at
those
trends
and
intentions
that
people
have
and
then
use
that
sort
of
form
view
about
interventions
we
might
want
to
make.
And
then
the
final
thing
I'd
say
is
that
we're
very
much
working
on
collectively
across
disciplines
on
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
prepare
well
for
the
reopening
so
that
we
have
a
very
clear
communications
camp
campaign.
H
Overseen
by
visit
leads
to
encourage
people
back
into
city
and
district
centers
that
the
city
centre
management
team
are
already
thinking
very
carefully
about
how
we
can
support
businesses
to
be
able
to
thrive
with
outdoor
space,
if
that's
part
of
it,
and
also
looking
at
how
we
can
encourage
you
know
activities
outside
so
it
so
people
have
confidence
in
coming
back
to
city
centres.
So
we
haven't
got
all
of
that
and
sort
of
nailed
at
the
moment.
Council
was
just
because
we
don't
know
what
they
you
know.
H
We've
seen
you
know
some
things
reported
in
the
press
today,
but
we
don't
have
a
definitive
position
on
that
timing,
but
as
what
I
would
say
is
that
officers
are
working
very
tightly
together
to
stop
to
bring
that
plan
together
for
the
immediate,
but
also
to
gather
the
evidence
about
the
longer
term
trends.
And
for
you
know,
if
you
want
to
add
anything
about
that.
Longer
term
piece
of
work
and
the
evidence
we're
gathering
at
all.
C
Just
to
say,
obviously,
transport
was
was
mentioned
and
transport's
a
key
part
of
that
as
well.
So
the
work
that
we're
doing
for
that
longer
term
is
around
how
people
live
and
work,
how
people
and
where
people
spend
their
their
money
and
also
how
people
travel
and
transport
themselves
around
the
city
and
around
the
city
center.
So
it
we
are
trying
to
bring
that
whole
whole
picture
together
holistically.
C
We,
the
piece
of
work
that
we're
doing,
is
around
sort
of
the
next
six
months,
so
we
should
be
able
to
kind
that
we'll
be
getting
information
on
that
as
we're
doing
that
as
well.
Okay,.
A
I
I
was
going
to
add
some
detail,
but
then
I
decided
that
eve's
answer
was
so
comprehensive.
It
wasn't
necessarily
a
council
trust
fund.
G
I
just
I
just
he's
answer
was
very
comprehensive.
I
I
just
wanted
to
sort
of
come
back
on.
Have
we
done
any
work,
because
obviously
people
are
going
to
see
a
changed
city
center
when
they
come
back
because
some
of
the
anchor
stores,
ebenham's
topman
cop
shop,
are
going
to
have
disappeared
and
if
people
come
back
because
we
we
haven't
a
lot
in
the
past
of
people
coming
on
coach
troops,
particularly
from
the
northeast,
where,
where
it's
not
quite
as
good,
a
retail
experience
to
leeds
for
our
retail
and
our
hospitality
experience.
G
G
I
guess
of
a
lot
of
our
major
events,
because
some
have
already
gone
by
the
board,
and
I
expect
more
will
and
it's
a
case
of
how
we
retain
that
as
a
package,
because
it's
all
retaining
the
revenue
within
our
city
rather
than
letting
leakage
out
to
other
cities,
because
I
expect
our
coastal
resorts
are
going
to
be
happy
to
grab
any
of
our
leakage.
Quite
happily,.
H
So
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
a
a
positive
piece
of
kind
of
information,
I
suppose,
is
that
you
know
there
is
been
a
lot
of
work
going
on
by
people
like
land
securities.
That
run
trinity
leads
to
make
sure
that
they
retain
brands
and
they're.
Looking,
for
example,
particularly
at
that
top
shop
unit
and
making
sure
that
they
get
a
brand
into
that
unit
and
have
reported
to
is
that
they've
got
that
in
progress.
H
So
there
is,
you
know,
and
also
that
they
are
ahead
compared
to
other
cities
in
terms
of
securing
major
brands
for
quite
a
significant
period
of
time,
so
they
have,
for
example,
secured
apple,
for
I
can't
remember
the
period,
but
for
quite
significant
period
into
the
future
as
one
of
their
major
brands
in
that
in
that
center.
That
doesn't
mean
that
we're
not
without
issues
debenhams
is
obviously
a
huge
piece,
but
I
think
this
fits
into.
H
That
is
physical
content.
That
will
encourage
people
to
come
out
back
into
the
city
and
district
centres
as
part
of
as
part
of
that
work
and
we'll
continue
to
think
about
how
we
can
do
that
collectively.
C
We've
already
talked
about
retail
and
hospitality
being
areas
that
will
be
difficult
for
young
people
to
find
opportunities
in
so
the
kind
of
the
the
pool
of
young
people
that
will
be
unemployed
combined
with
the
group
of
young
people
who
are
currently
perhaps
in
year,
10
or
11,
who
are
going
to
have
a
a
worry
in
time
once
they
leave
school
and
goodness
knows
how
many
of
them
are
engaged
in
in
learning.
At
the
moment,
a
lot
of
them
will
be
really
struggling.
C
H
Thanks
counselor,
so
I
think
just
a
couple
of
things
and
then
I'm
invite
I'll
invite
martin
to
comment
as
well.
So,
firstly,
in
terms
of
the
digital
inclusion
point
for
young
people,
we
have
spoken
with
jason
tooten
and
I
know
he's
coming
to
your
next.
I
think
is
it
the
next
one
cancel
trustworthy.
H
I'm
sure
you'll
get
chance
to
sort
of
ask
some
more
detailed
questions
then,
but
as
a
short
term
kind
of
point
of
feedback,
we
are
proactively
working
with
some
of
the
ground-up
movements
like
digital
access,
west
yorkshire,
that
have
emerged
and
with
the
inclusive
anchors
network,
to
look
at
how
we
can
create
turn
some
of
those
initiatives
into
something
more
sustainable
and
long-term.
H
So
that's
that's
first
thing
to
say
which
I'm
sure
jason
can
provide
more
information
about
at
the
next
scrutiny
committee
and
then,
secondly,
in
in
martin's
team
we're
looking
to
bring
somebody
on
board
to
specifically
focus
on
digital
and
the
opportunities
around
digital,
so
not
just
about
the
kind
of
gap
in
skills,
but
also
we
know
we
haven't
touched
on
parts
of
the
economy
that
are
doing
well
and
actually
the
digital
economy
is
doing
incredibly
well.
H
We
know
of
businesses
in
leeds
that
are
still
recruiting
in
significant
numbers
in
the
digital
sector,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
actually
we
capitalize
on
some
of
the
initiatives
we've
got
across
the
city
to
create
a
really
really
clear
pathway
for
people
to
be
able
to
get
into
into
digital
and
then
I'll.
Let
martin
comment
further
on
some
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
and
forward-looking.
D
Yeah
thanks
thanks
chair,
so
we're
doing
quite
a
lot
of
work
with
schools
at
the
moment
and
in
in
kind
of
conjunction
with
children's
services
around
making
sure
that
young
people
have
access
to
the
opportunities
that
are
there
and
we've
recently
had
an
online
apprenticeship
festival
we
had
over.
D
I
think
I've
not
got
the
exact
figures
because
of
meetings
after
this,
but
we
had
over
50
000
young
people,
access
that
for
information
over
the
course
of
that
week
and
we've
done
quite
a
lot
of
work
with
employers
and
I
think
that
apprenticeships
will
start
to
pick
up
again
once
the
demand
is
still
there
with
employers.
D
I
think
there's
just
a
little
bit
of
uncertainty
at
the
moment,
which
I
think
we're
kind
of
working
on,
but
you're
right
in
terms
of
we've
already
started,
doing
work
to
look
at
the
kind
of
traditional
entry-level
roles
that
those
young
people
would
access
and
the
likelihood
is
even
after
kind
of
normality,
whatever
whatever
that
looks
like
there
will
still
be
a
reduction
in
those
roles,
but
we're
working
with
those
growth
sectors.
D
So
he's
already
mentioned
digital,
but
there's
also
the
kind
of
green
scales
economy,
that's
being
boosted
in
logistics
and
and
that
supply
chain
routes
and
we're
working
with
companies
like
amazon,
web
services
and
generation
to
make
sure
that
there
are
programs
in
place
to
make
sure
those
young
people
are
equipped
and
have
the
right
skills
to
be
able
to
access
those
jobs
when
they
start
coming
coming
in.
D
We've
also
secured
millions
of
pounds
worth
of
funding
about
four
million
in
total
for
specifically
young
people
projects,
particularly
we've
got
one
program
that
started
last
month,
targeting
young
people
with
mental
health
barriers,
because
there's
obviously
we're
all
aware.
There's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
people
coming
out
of
the
last
12
months,
with
with
significant
issues
that
need
to
be
addressed
before
they
can
even
start
on
the
road
to
to
get
access
into
those
into
those
employment
opportunities.
D
So
I
think
that
there
is
quite
a
lot
in
place
and
we're
we're
currently
working
with
dwp
and
other
partners
to
try
and
get
as
much
funding
and
support
in
in
place
as
possible
over
the
next
kind
of
six
to
12
months
and,
like
I
said,
we're
doing
a
lot
of
work
with
schools
and
with
colleges
to
make
sure
that
those
people
have
the
right
skills
and
access
to
those
opportunities,
as
they
start
coming
back.
C
No
just
just
to
say
that
that's
good
to
hear
and
the
my
experience
of
the
apprenticeship
fair
was
that
it
was
a
real
success
and
a
lot
of
young
people
did
engage
with
it.
So,
whilst
we're
in
these
strange
times
any
that
any
of
the
other
opportunities
you've
mentioned
like
the
green
skills
and
the
the
digital
digital
opportunities,
I
think
young
people
might
be
happy
to
engage
online
with
anything
that
you
might
be
doing
to
promote
that.
C
D
D
So
we're
already
kind
of
kind
of
on
with
that
and
developing
that
and
and
we're
also
working
through
this
there's
loads
of
initiatives
through
ahead
and
through
p-tech
program,
where
we're
working
with
with
employers
and
and
providers
to
make
sure
that
we
kind
of
continue
to
build
on
that
throughout
the
year,
rather
than
just
having
it
as
a
focal
point
once
a
year,
so
yeah
that'd
be
brilliant.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
martin,
I'm
not
seeing
any
other
board
members
indicating
they
wish
to
speak
so
I'll.
Just
throw
a
few
questions
into
the
mix
eve
throughout
the
report
and
again,
I
reiterate
very
comprehensive
report.
There's
reference
to
the
need
to
bring
together
the
three
main
strands
of
the
the
council's
approach,
and
that
is
economic
development,
of
which
inclusive
growth
is
part,
social
element,
including
health
and
the
environment.
A
How
is
that
being
done
at
a
corporate
level,
because
there's
always
the
fear
that
we've
been
very
successful
economically
in
leeds
and
sometimes
the
feeling
is
that
is
at
the
expense
of
some
of
the
other
two
strands
kind
of
plain
second
fiddle
to
that
that
that
economic
development
dynamic.
H
Of
course,
so
to
two,
I
suppose
two
things
really
chair.
H
So
the
first
is
that
as
officers
that
have
sort
of
leadership
roles
across
the
different
areas,
myself
and
polly,
cook
and
tony-
have
started
meeting
regularly,
and
we
also
in
that
have
key
offices
like
fiona
and
that
that
join
us
in
those
discussions
we
call
them
three
pillars
meetings,
so
we've
been
doing
that
for
I'd,
say
around
nine
months
now,
which
has
really
benefited
all
of
us
on
an
officer
level,
making
sure
that
we're
aware
of
all
the
work
that
we're
doing
that
was
purpose,
making
sure
that
we
understood
how
we
were
responding
to
covid19.
H
So
that's
the
first
thing
and
that
group
we're
therefore
strike
trying
to
make
sure
we
stay
aligned
as
we're
thinking
about
the
work
that
we're
doing
and
then
the
second
thing
is
that
you'll
notice
of
three
areas
that
we
need
to
look
at
this
year
in
terms
of
building
a
better
understanding
and
under
that
reset
and
renew
category
one,
is
the
city
and
district
centers
work
which
is
already
underway.
H
The
second
is
an
ambition
to
sort
of
look
again
at
our
talent
and
skills
plan
which,
and
we
haven't
yet
got
underway,
but
martin
fiona
and
myself
have
started
to
shape
in
terms
of
that
piece
of
work,
and
the
third
is
because
of
the
in
because
of
the
sort
of
research
externally,
that's
cropped
up
around
green
jobs
and
because
the
climate
emergency
was
declared
after
the
inclusive
growth
strategy
was
published,
that
we
also
want
to
explore
in
more
detail
where
that
opportunity
lies
in
terms
of
green,
green
jobs
and
green
recovery
at
some
point
later
in
this
in
this
year,
and
we
haven't
set
a
timeline
for
that.
H
Yet
councillor
trustworld,
because
it's
it
it's,
we
have
we've
only
got
so
much
capacity.
So
we've
got
to
work
with
each
piece
sequentially.
But
we
are
absolutely
intending
to
to
look
at
that
and
then
that
piece
of
work
will
help
inform
the
refresh
of
the
inclusive
growth
strategy
as
well.
G
Thanks
jess,
I
must
have
double
tapped
my
raised
hand,
but
it
must
have
gone
back
down
as
soon
as
I
as
soon
as
I
put
it
up.
I'd
like
to
ask
a
little
bit
further
down
in
the
report,
3.39
and
also
3.40
about
abcd
and
how
and
how
we're
going
to
support
expanding
abcd.
G
I
have
to
say
when
I,
when
I
was
first
elected
in
2018,
I
kind
of
felt
like
this
was
a
backseat
project
that
that
maybe
wasn't
really
going
to
go
anywhere,
but
particularly
during
the
pandemic
and
the
response
to
the
pandemic
here
in
horse
with
our
abcd
coordinator,
claire
evans
has
been
at
the
forefront
of
almost
everything,
we've
done
in
the
response
and
has
really
opened
my
eyes,
I
think,
to
the
benefits
of
asset
based
community
development.
G
So
I
just
like,
if
possible,
somebody
to
expand
on
how
we
could
support
this
throughout
the
city
and
when
we
might
expect,
as
it
says
in
3.4
row,
leads
beckett,
offering
maybe
scrutiny
board
a
report
or
something
that
we
can
have
a
look
at
to
see
how
successful
the
the
the
project
is,
and
there
was
something
else
that
I've
just
misplaced.
So
if
you
want
to
come
back
on
that
I'll
find
my
second
point,
if
that's
all
right,
jeff
I'll
come
back
in
a
second
thanks.
A
H
So
chair
we
might,
we
might
need
to
request
that
carmel
comes
to
talk
to
us
through
to
me
around
abcd
and
it's
the
plans
for
expansion,
if
that's
a
point
of
interest,
because
she
provided
the
input
to
the
over
overall
report
and
it's
not
an
area
that
I
think
the
officers
on
the
call
today
could
answer
adequately
counselor
taylor
in
terms
of
giving
you
an
overall
view,
she's
she's
been
bringing
forward
those
plans
recently
with
you
know
through.
H
G
Just
quickly
on
that
point,
I'd
say
I
did
have
a
discussion
with
verity
in
the
abcd
team
last
week
and
couldn't
be
more
complimentary
about
as
to
say
claire
in
my
area,
and
I
think
the
feedback
that
claire
sends
back
to
to
her
to
her
bosses
probably
doesn't
cover
a
quarter
of
the
actual
work
that
gets
done
in
her
role
and,
I
think
that's
probably
replicated
throughout
the
city.
G
So
if
we
could
make
a
note
chair
to
have
a
look
at
this,
maybe
in
a
little
bit
more
detail
to
see
how
we
as
councillors
and
as
a
council,
can
support
the
idea.
I
think
that
would
be
will
be
particularly
useful.
G
But
my
second
point
is
further
down
in
the
report:
3.60,
woodland
creation,
I
think-
hopefully
at
least
some
of
my
colleagues
will
know
that
I'm
a
big
fan
of
tree
planting
and
we've
done
a
number
of
community
tree
planting
days
in
our
ward
and
all
of
them
have
been
very
well
received
and
I
think
the
ones
that
have
raised
the
most
questions
have
been
the
center.
G
The
center
run
schemes
where
the
council
is
as
allocated
land,
usually
on
recreational
space,
with
what
has
been
perceived
to
be
very
little
consultation
with
with
residents
and
either
neighboring
the
recreational
land
or
or
residents
that
use
a
recreational
land.
I
think
there
is
a
balance
to
to
finding
giving
up
much
needed
recreational
spaces
we're
lucky
in
horse
with
that.
We've
we've
got
a
big
park
and
we've
got
other
other
wrecks
as
well,
but
without
treading
too
much
on
tolls
of
colleagues.
G
I
do
know
that
there
are
inner
city
areas
that
have
less
open
space
and
giving
up
what
little
green
space
there
is
often
causes
some
friction
with
with
residents
that
want
to
use
it.
So
I'm
just
really
wondering
what
going
forward
consultation
the
the
council
will
be
doing,
hopefully
increased
consultation
with
residents
and
with
ward
members
about
woodland
creation
schemes,
while
still
being
very
supportive.
A
Eve
comes
in
and
really
just
echoing
your
phrase
treading
on
the
toes
of
colleagues.
I
think
that
does
tread
on
the
toes
of
colleagues
in
another
scrutiny
board
covering
another
department
that
is
primarily
responsible,
although
I
have
to
say,
we've
had
experience
in
my
own
word
of
exactly
what
you've
said,
so
I
don't
want
to
deflect
from
the
importance
of
what
you're
raising
jonathan,
but
actually
it
is
beginning
to
get
a
little
bit
peripheral
to
what
the
scrutiny
board
is
discussing
in
respect
of
inclusive
growth
and
its
remake.
A
A
Going
back
to
your
first
point
about
us
looking
in
more
detail
at
asset-based
community
development,
I
think
preempts
a
point
I
was
going
to
put
to
the
board
at
the
end
of
this
discussion
and
it's
the
fact
that
we
do
tend
to
receive
these
all
singing
all
dancing,
comprehensive
compendiums
in
terms
of
updates
on
inclusive
growth.
A
That's
not
a
criticism,
quite
the
reverse,
but
I
think
we
might
want
to
start
identifying
areas
that
we
have
a
specific
look
at
maybe
a
specific
agenda
paper,
either
at
a
full
scrutiny
board
or
at
a
working
group,
and
obviously
you've
mentioned
one
katie
mentioned
another
one
previously
about
youth
employment,
youth
unemployment.
A
We
obviously
do
look
systematically
at
digital
inclusion
and
transport
as
part
of
our
kind
of
rolling
work
program,
an
agenda,
but
there
are
other
items
like
you
know:
the
creation
of
green
jobs
and
obviously
the
way
we
measure
inclusive
growth.
That
is
touched
upon
in
the
report.
We
do
have
an
appendix
about
the
methodology
that's
been
employed
and
I
understand
that
piece
of
work
and
the
populating
of
that
spi
will
take
place
sometime
in
the
near
future.
A
So
maybe
we
need
to
be
take
one
step
back,
be
a
bit
more
disciplined
and
think
rather
than
having
this
overarching.
Also,
you
know
dancing
report.
We
start
drooling
down
a
little
bit
more
in
the
time
available
to
some
of
the
issues
that
that
members
of
the
board
have
raised
today,
I
don't
know
is
that
a
report
that
would
command
general
support
amongst
board
members
great.
A
I
think,
then,
behind
the
scenes
after
this
meeting
becky-
and
I
will
do
a
little
bit
of
work
around
the
minutes
and
around
the
discussion
and
what
we
might
flag
up
for
those
specific
reports
to
come
to
us.
Obviously
in
the
next
municipal
year-
and
we
might
not
all
be
on
this
board.
Who
knows?
Could
I
just
round
off
with
with
one
question
I
gotta
see
it
reason
one
of
them's
been
covered
by
by
jonathan
or
already
there
is
reference
to
green
jobs
and
the
creation
of
green
jobs.
A
I
think
it's
a
paragraph
2.15
and
I
suppose
it
throws
up
this
repeatedly
referenced
comment
about
ensuring
that
as
many
of
those
jobs
as
they
develop
over
the
years
are
given
to
lead
citizens.
Because
one
of
my
fears-
and
I
know
I've
rehearsed
the
ad
nauseam-
is
that
we
create
some
great
jobs
in
leeds
and
then
we
import
for
onto
a
better
expression
lots
of
people
from
outside
to
fill
them
with
all
the
extra
pressures
that
puts
on
housing,
communications,
transport,
green
space,
health
care,
etc.
A
How
are
we
bringing
those
two
together
to
try
and
ensure
that
we
anticipate
not
just
jobs
in
the
green
sector
but
across
manufacturing?
What
we
term
good
jobs
are
filled
as
far
as
possible
by
by
existing
lead
citizens,
and
I'm
not
suggesting
for
a
second
that
we
put
a
fence,
imaginary
or
otherwise
around
the
city.
But
I
hope
the
point
I'm
making
you
know,
registers.
H
Yeah
chair,
I
think
I
think
that
is
a
good
reason.
Why
we're
looking
to
refresh
our
talent
and
skills
plan,
because
the
surest
way
to
help
ensure
that
lead
citizens
get
those
jobs
is
to
make
sure
they've
got
the
skills
to
to
to
get
the
jobs
that
are
coming
up
in
those
new
areas.
H
So
no
pressure
on
martin,
but
when,
when
we
develop
the
refresh
to
the
titan
skills
plan,
then
we'll
we
will
need
to
you
know
these
things.
We
can't
think
about
these
things
in
complete
isolation.
That's
what
I'm
saying
so.
We
will
have
to
start
to
touch
on
making
sure
that
we
have
a
clear
way
to
be
able
to
spot
where
those
emerging
sectors
are
and
work
with
the
skills
providers
in
the
city
to
be
able
to
help
people
get
those
skills.
H
And
I
think
that
we'll
need
to
do
that
in
a
quite
an
agile
way,
because
the
you
can
sort
of
see
it
in
the
digital
sector,
where
the
sector
is
growing
so
quickly
that
the
demand
for
skills
means
that
actually,
if
you
have
sort
of
short
course
boot
camps
for
people
that
have
got
the
right
kind
of
experience,
they
can
get
into
the
sector
quite
quickly
and
provide
diversity
into
the
sector
as
well.
H
A
Okay,
thanks
very
much
for
that.
Are
there
any
other
questions
or
comments
that
board
members
wish
to
make.
D
I
apologize
check.
I'm
can't
get
the
virtual
hand
to
work
using
the
rail
handle,
never.
D
My
my
comment
was
really
to
re-emphasize
some
of
the
points
being
made
particularly
councillor
cunningham's
around
looking
at
work
in
district
centers
and
obviously
thinking
of
the
alps
of
town
areas
puts
in
molly
rothwell
those
areas
make
sure
we
look
at
activity
there.
D
My
question
on
the
activity
that
you
should
we
should,
oh
sorry,
the
the
vacancy
rate,
which
should
increase
the
city
center.
Is
this
mainly
due
to
national
change,
and
I
think
council
woods
was
referred
to.
You
know
the
arcadia
group
and
debenhams
and
others,
or
is
it
due
to
independent
retailers
and
hospitality,
reducing
and
in
terms
of
our
focus
on
recovery?
D
C
Hi
in
terms
of
the
city
center,
it's
many
national
brands
that
we're
saying
in
retail
that
those
are
the
ones.
So
yes
on
brigade,
if
you
think
about
debenhams
topshop,
but
if
you
start
to
go
into
some
of
the
arcades,
particularly
in
victoria
quarter,
there
are
brands
like
whistles
and
things
like
that
that
have
moved
out
as
well.
So
it's
it's
that
side.
C
I
don't
know
about
the
in
terms
of
the
hospitality,
how
much
of
that
is
independent,
but
we
can
find
that
out
and
have
a
look
at
that,
because
that
will
be
in
some
of
the
the
arcades
that
are
slightly
further
out
from
the
city
center.
But
we
do
talk
to
them
and
we
do
know
sort
of
the
the
problems
and
that
this
particular
lockdown
now
has
has
sort
of
you
know,
is
really
biting
for
sort
of
some
of
those
independents.
But
the
big
gaps
at
the
moment
are
those
national
brands.
H
And
then
just
addressing
the
second
part
of
your
question,
councillor
dawson,
so
we've
been
meeting
with
into
a
sort
of
independent
retail
hospitality
group
for
almost
a
year
now
pretty
much
every
fortnight,
with
a
couple
of
gaps
in
the
summertime
and
to
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
just
meet
with
like
the
cbi,
the
fsb,
etc.
But
we
also
have
that
independent
voice
and
that's
been
really
helpful
to
make
sure
that
we're
kind
of
tallying
up
what
we're
hearing
from
different
routes,
but
we've
also
been
able
to
provide
support
to
those
indies.
H
You
know
from
a
ground
up
point
of
view
about
how
we
support
those
indies
to
be
able
to
thrive
when
people
can
go
back
into
city
and
district
centers
more
freely,
because
we
do
know
that
they
obviously
bring
a
lot
of
character
into
interspaces
and-
and
you
know
so,
we
want
them
to
survive.
So
so
we've
got
that
conversation
ongoing
and
we're
also
again
using
a
small
proportion
of
the
additional
restrictions
grants
money
to
provide
some
business
support.
That's
really
targeted
at
independent
businesses.
So
continuing
that
support.
D
A
Okay,
so
in
the
absence
of
any
other
questions
and
comments,
I'll
bring
this
particular
agenda
item
to
a
close
and
thank
all
those
who
have
attended
for
this
item.
I
know
that
one
or
two
of
you
are
remaining
for
the
next
item,
but
thank
you
for
your
contribution
so
that
moves
us
onto
a
gender
item,
eight
which
starts
on
page
39,
and
this
is
basically
part
two
part
one
having
taken
place
at
our
last
meeting.
This
is
part
two
of
our
annual
scrutiny
of
best
council
plan.
Kpis.
I
Thank
you
chair,
but
I
thought
perhaps,
if
I
just
spend
a
few
minutes
going
through
the
headlines
of
the
report,
if
that's
helpful
and
yeah,
we
can
pick
up
questions
from
there,
I'm
mindful
that
a
lot
of
them
do
relate
to
economy
and
employment
and
then
also
housing
growth.
I
I
think,
in
terms
of
just
background
context,
members
will
be
aware
that
the
economy
went
into
recession
last
year
as
a
consequence
of
the
pandemic.
I
That
was
the
first
recession
since
the
financial
crash
almost
a
decade
ago
and
that
that
has
led
to
a
lot
of
business
closes
closures
and
redundancies,
as
he
pointed
out
in
the
earlier
agenda
item
a
large
number
of
people
furloughed
in
the
city,
and
we
also
know
that
universal
credit
claimants
has
doubled
since
since
march
as
well,
and
we've
seen
a
a
very
significant
reduction
in
the
footfall
in
the
city
center.
Currently
it's
about
80
down
from
normal,
given
that
we're
in
in
in
lockdown
so
well,
there's
a
lot
that
has
changed.
I
I
This
is
assessed
through
the
business
register
and
employment
survey
commonly
known
as
brez
and
it's
conducted
by
the
office
of
national
statistics,
and
what
that
showed
was
that
comparing
2019
to
2018
that
there
was
a
marginal
increase
in
job
numbers
0.13
during
that
time
period,
and
that
if
you
look
at
those
results
over
an
extended
period
of
time
between
2012
and
2019,
the
employment
numbers
in
leeds
rose
by
16.3
during
that
seven
year
period.
I
Looking
at
core
cities
across
the
united
kingdom,
the
11th
that
puts
us
in
fourth
position,
you've
got
a
range
there.
Manchester
25.7,
going
down
to
nottingham
at
2.4,
so
leeds
at
16.3
is
one
of
the
better
performers.
I
We,
the
paper,
also
looks
at
gross
value
added
per
job
filled.
I
think
the
report
highlights
some
of
the
concerns
in
the
in
the
economy
that
has
taken
place
over
recent
years.
In
terms
of
the
hollowing
out,
as
the
phrase
is
termed,
of
skilled
and
semi-skilled
occupations
and
traditionally
in
the
manufacturing
sector
and
that
being
coupled
with
a
rise
in
lower
productivity
sectors
such
as
consumer
services,
the
gig
economy
and
low
paid
low
paid
work.
I
So
against
that
background,
the
gba
per
fill
job
for
2018
grew
by
1.4
percent
they're,
the
most
up-to-date
figures
compared
to
2017.
I
So
that's
a
differential
of
53
311
pounds
per
filled,
job
in
2018
compared
to
52,
568
pounds
per
filled,
job
in
2017,
and
that
puts
leeds
third
amongst
the
core
cities
in
terms
of
number
of
new
business
startups.
This
does
have
more
up-to-date
data
that
relates
to
some
of
the
period
of
the
pandemic.
I
So
between
january
and
september
2020
there
were
2
780,
startup
businesses
in
leeds
and
that
is
19
fewer
or
654
business
startups
fewer
than
the
same
period
in
2019.
So
I
think
in
that
area
we
are
seeing
so
quite
a
significant
impact
on
startups
as
a
consequence
of
the
pandemic
in
terms
of
business
business
survival
rate.
This
is
a
new
indicator
and
it's
calculated
by
data
that
comes
from
business,
demography,
which
is
an
annual
publication
produced
from
interdepartmental
business
registers.
I
I
I
The
report
also
looks
at
business
rates
and
the
differential
in
business
rates
that
does
come
on
the
back
of
a
revaluation
of
the
business
rates
base.
So
on
the
first
of
april
in
2020,
that
was
467
million
pounds
of
non-domestic
rates
payable,
which
had
fallen
to
463
million.
Turning
and
sorry
463
million
point
two
five
million
pounds,
a
reduction
of
0.8
from
the
previous
year
and
then
finally
on
the
economy.
It
looks
at
the
visitor
economy
impact.
I
I
think
this
is
an
area
that,
prior
to
the
pandemic,
leads
performed
very
strongly
in.
The
economic
impact
report
indicates
that
the
economic
impact
of
visited
leeds
economy
grew
by
4.3
percent
between
2018
and
2019.
I
That's
by
an
additional
58
million
pounds
of
a
total
1.89
billion
pound
economic
output
day.
Visitors
continue
to
make
up
the
majority
of
visitors,
accounting
for
92,
with
the
remain
of
being
staying
visitors,
and
so,
since
2013
leeds
has
seen
22
growth
in
visitor
numbers
and
a
43
increase
in
their
economic
impact.
I
I
I
417
new
homes
that,
to
put
it
into
context,
is
the
lowest
level
of
quarterly
delivery
since
2012.,
but
the
second
quarter
has
been
very
strong
with
1195
units
completed
of
which
1042
were
on
brownfield
land
and
the
balance
being
on
greenfield
land.
I
And
what
that
means
is
that,
up
to
the
halfway
point
of
this
year,
we've
currently
delivered
1612
new
housing
units,
which
is
about
bang
on
in
terms
of
being
halfway
towards
our
annual
target,
and
there
remains
a
strong
pipeline
in
terms
of
housing,
growth
with
over
100
active
sites
under
construction
with
5200
individual
units
currently
being
built
and
then
finally,
looking
at
affordable
home
delivery
in
terms
of
the
in-year
target
that
is
currently
at
434
units
per
annum,
and
against
that
at
the
end
of
1920,
we
delivered
439
that
compared
to
a
total
of
433
for
the
12-month
period
beforehand.
I
So
the
city
is
delivering
on
the
in-year
target.
The
challenge
we
have
is
addressing
the
backlog,
which
is
a
further
796,
affordable
housing
units
required
annually,
and
that,
I
think,
is
the
challenge
that
we
have
going
forward
with
not
in
the
report.
But
I
think
we've
had
some
good
introductions
of
developers
in
the
city
which
I
can
outline
more
in
terms
of
questioning,
which
should
help
us
to
increase.
That's
affordable
housing
delivery
further,
but
that's
a
a
headline
run
through
a
lot
of
detail.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
martin,
while
other
board
members,
I've
not
had
anybody
indicating
they've
got
a
question
or
a
comment,
but
while
we're
thinking
them
up,
if
I
could
just
run
on
from
your
final
comments
about
affordable
housing,
I
think
this
is
one
of
the
areas
that
really
does
exercise
members
of
this
board
and
members
right
across
the
piece.
A
But
it
says
this
is
a
reflection
of
the
complex
challenges
around
sites
procurements
and
planning,
and
work
continues
to
be
undertaken
to
consider
whether
the
council
has
the
right
tools,
funding
and
partners
in
place
to
increase
and
maximize
affordable
housing
delivery.
Now
I
don't
want
a
thesis
today.
Obviously
we
haven't
got
time,
but
it
would
be
useful
if
we
could
get
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
that
work.
A
Maybe
just
a
synopsis
of
what's
been
done
with
a
view
to
bringing
back
a
more
substantive
report
at
some
stage
to
to
the
board
as
to
what
paragraph
3.10.8
means
in
practical
reality.
A
I
have
one
other
question
on
this
section
relating
to
housing,
and
that
is
under
paragraph
3.9.2
on
page
46
and
it's
the
number
of
housing
units
which
are
being
provided
in
previous
office
space,
and
that
seems
to
be
a
growing
number,
especially
in
the
city
center.
A
Could
you,
martin
or
colleagues,
who
are
now
with
us
from
planning,
give
us
a
little
bit
more
of
an
idea
of
how
the
quality
of
that
housing,
rather
than
just
its
volume,
is
being
assessed
and
whether
we
can
do
that
and
whether
there
is
any
ability
given
that
it's
permitted
development
to
demand
any
spatial
or
other
requirements
of
that
sort
of
development?.
I
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
I
think
we've
got
jonathan
carr
on
this
call
is
probably
best
placed
in
terms
of
the
specifics
of
the
the
committed
development
situation
on
that,
but
I
think
perhaps,
if
I
just
give
a
headline
summaries,
I
understand
it.
Council
trusts
well,
if
it's
helpful,
which
is
that
changes
in
legislation
have
allowed
for
permitted
development
to
come
forward
for
offices.
I
I
think
that
the
challenge
there
is
is
that
if
the
development
proposal
strays
into
areas
which
make
material
changes
to
the
external,
elevations,
etc
and
astrology
to
clarifying
that
detail
on
this,
it
then
prompts
a
planning
application
and
I
think
the
danger
is
that
therefore
developers
try
and
avoid
a
planning
application
and
bring
forward
developments
through
committed
development
and
then
there's
the
question
of
the
extent
to
which
they
then
have
to
comply
with
all
the
checks
and
balances
that
the
planning
system
affords
in
terms
of
issues
such
as
space
standards,
which
members
will
recognize
that
they're
there
for
good
reason
to
make
sure
that
the
quality
of
individual
homes,
not
just
the
supply,
meets
the
aspiration
of
the
city
and
its
citizens.
I
A
Just
before
you
come
in
jonathan
I
mean.
Obviously
my
question
is
prompted
for
obvious
reasons,
but
also
on
the
number
of
horror
stories
that
we've
seen
up
and
down
the
country
of
this
kind
of
development
being
used
to
provide
really
substandard
housing,
often
to
groups
of
people
in
desperate
housing
need.
J
Absolutely
thanks.
Chet
there's
been
sort
of
a
national
debate
on
this
particular
issue
in
recent
months
and
that's
prompted
the
government
to
reconsider
the
quality
of
provision
of
homes
through
permitted
development
is
now
committed
actually
to
introducing
space
standards
within
new
permitted
development
properties
that
goes
sort
of
hand
in
hand
with
actually
a
out
of
those
permitted
development
rights
to
to
include,
what's
now
called
class
e
within
the
used
classes,
order
which
covers
virtually
all
commercial
premises,
including
retailing.
J
The
dilemma
is
that
none
of
that
includes
affordable
housing
but,
as
I
say,
the
government
is
looking
to
increase
the
quality
of
the
provision
through
tightening
up
the
requirements
for
space
standards
and
other
sort
of
environmental
factors
in
terms
of
noise
impacts
on
new
residents,
parking
levels
and
contamination
issues
and
flooding
as
well.
But
that
does
remain
a
concern,
particularly
for
the
service,
in
terms
of
the
lack
of
ability
to
control
all
aspects
of
new
development
through
planning
applications.
J
I
Yeah,
perhaps
if
I
pick
up
one
of
the
first
instance,
cancer
trusts
well,
that
is
a
live
piece
of
work
that
we're
doing
and
obviously
working
closely
with
councillor
cooper,
who's,
the
executive
board
portfolio
holder
for
that
area.
We
recognize
the
need
to
bring
forward
an
affordable
housing
plan
for
the
city,
one
to
make
sure
that
we
have
an
up-to-date
plan
in
any
event.
I
But
secondly,
members
will
be
aware
of
the
issue
of
us
looking
to
take
37
sites
out
of
the
green
belt
as
a
consequence
of
the
legal
challenge
that
was
put
on
the
council's
stand,
the
implications
of
that
are
that
those
sites,
because
of
the
localities
that
they
were
in
carried
a
higher
level
of
affordable
housing
quota
as
part
of
the
provision
not
normally
about
35
in
those
areas,
would
be
the
norm.
So
there
will
be
a
reduction
of
about
theoretically,
a
reduction
of
about
950,
affordable
houses
lost
through
the
plan.
I
So
what
we
have
to
do
is
think
about
how
we
can
recover
and
mitigate
that
impact.
As
I
touched
on
in
my
introduction,
councillor
tuswell,
we
are
working
closely
in
the
city
center
with
a
new
entrance
into
the
leeds
housing
market,
which
is
very
encouraging
clarion
being
one
who
are
bringing
forward
the
city
reach
site
on
coastal
road,
clarion,
the
largest
registered
provider
in
the
country,
so
to
have
that
scale
of
investor
in
the
affordable
housing
sector
is
very
encouraging
and
they're.
I
Looking
at
a
scheme
that
is
about
33
of
affordable
housing,
members
will
know
that
the
actual
planning
requirement
is
seven
percent.
So
that's
a
significant
increase
on
that
level
and
then
also
the
guinness
partnership
as
another
large
social,
a
registered
provider
who
have
acquired
the
evans,
helshaw
site
and
again.
On
that
side,
there
we're
working
with
them
to
deliver
40,
affordable
housing
against
the
seven
percent
policy
requirement,
and
then
the
other
national
development.
I
Growth
on
brownfield
sites
in
maine
urban
areas
and
the
planned
increase
in
the
annual
housing
number,
which
I
think
takes
leads
from
its
3247
to
about
an
additional
500
houses
a
year
when
that
would
come
into
effect,
means
that
there's
an
ever
greater
concentration
on
the
development
of
brownfield
housing
in
the
city
centre
and
two
areas
of
the
city
centre
that
we're
currently
looking
to
deliver
a
hundred
percent,
affordable
housing
through
the
use
of
our
land
and
the
commuted
sums
that
we've
deve
we've
accrued
through
affordable
house.
I
Sorry,
through
housing,
delivery
generally
in
the
city
centre,
is
a
scheme
on
saint
cecilia
street,
near
quarry
hill
to
deliver
73
units
and
then
associated
with
that
also
bringing
forward
the
former
yorkshire
rider
site
for
a
further
55
units.
So
that's
the
mix
of
the
issues
involved.
Council
trusts.
Well,
it's
live
work.
We
will
be
bringing
it
forward
to
executive
board
and
I'm
sure
this
scrutiny
board
will
be
able
to
help
inform
the
development
of
that
work.
Going
forward.
A
C
No,
I
put
it
down
really
because
my
my
questions
were
all
around
affordable
housing
and
my
concerns
about
that
and
you
raised
them
and
we've
had
quite
a
big
discussion
about
it,
but
just
to
I
guess,
the
only
thing
I
would
add
is
is
that
it
really
does
need
to
be
something
that
we
prioritize
because
they're
going
to
be
a
lot
people
in
a
lot
of.
G
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
I
think
council
is
saying
on
mute
now,
yeah.
I,
like
you,
I'm
also
frustrated
by
by
the
delivery
numbers.
The
the
woeful
record
really
have
delivered
affordable
housing
over
the
last
couple
of
years.
It
is
particularly
frustrating
in
that
it's
resulted
in
greenbelt
land.
That's
unsuitable
for
housing
being
granted
permission
such
as
greenbelt
around
the
house
also
campus
in
my
ward,
which
is
in
fact
one
of
the
37
sites.
G
The
high
court
challenge
was
stated
to
remove.
I'm
really
just
wondering
if
planning
decisions
such
as
this
makes
it
less
likely
for
affordable
homes
to
be
delivered
in
other
areas,
as
the
city
is
reaching
its
target.
I'd
like
to
comment
on
that.
If
you
can.
I
Sorry,
councillor,
taylor,
I'm
not
quite
sure
on
on
the
question.
I
think
what
it
if,
if
I
get
the
question,
as
I
think,
you've
asked
it,
I
think
it
will.
It
require
an
increased
emphasis
on
the
delivery
of
affordable
housing
on
the
balance
of
the
sites
that
remain
in
the
sam
and
one
of
the
key
areas.
Going
back
to.
My
previous
comment
is
to
focus
on
the
amount
of
affordable
housing
on
brownfield
sites,
particularly
in
the
city
centre.
I
Given
that
and
through
the
government's
algorithm
changes,
that's
going
to
be
an
ever
more
important
area
of
housing
growth
to
meet
the
numbers
as
they
come
forward.
So
I
think
there's
going
to
be
a
need
for
an
increased
concentration
of
activity
there,
which
is,
is
finely
balanced
in
terms
of
the
viability
of
the
city
center
residential
market.
I
I
think
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
it
has
made
significant
improvements,
probably
in
about
the
last
three
years,
and
we
see
a
number
of
sites
being
brought
forward
in
the
city
centre
so
on
the
yorkshire
post
site
granger
are
active,
there's
the
doncaster
montbridge
site,
just
behind
it.
That's
coming
forward
legal
in
general
are
bringing
forward
mustard
wharf,
have
announced
they're,
bringing
forward
tower
works
and
just
across
the
road
from
what
there
is
the
ironworks
side.
So
I
think,
there's
a
good
level
of
activity.
I
I
think
that
contrast
to
the
period
probably
2012
to
2013,
but
I
think
in
one
of
those
years
there
was
no
city
center
residential
development
that
came
forward
and
so
building
on
that
progress
posts
a
pandemic
and
recovery.
It's
then
about
how
we
work
with
the
kind
of
providers
that
I've
said
to
increase
the
intensity
of
affordable
housing
in
the
city
centre
and
brownfield
areas.
G
A
Okay,
much
obliged
right.
I
don't
have
any
other
board
members
indicating
that
they
wish
to
contribute
to
this
item
so
I'll,
bring
it
to
a
close
and
again
as
before.
Thank
those
officers
who
have
attended
for
this
particular
item.
If
you
now
wish
to
leave,
feel
free
to
do
so,
and
that
brings
us
on
to
a
gender
item
nine,
which
is
the
referral
to
the
scrutiny
board
from
the
corporate
governance
and
audit
committee,
and
obviously,
we've
got
the
formal
letter
requesting
that
from
councillor
scopes.
A
But
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
joint
councillor,
reeling
with
councillor
scope
show
and
in
our
pre-meeting
we
did
decide
very
generously,
as
I
think,
having
formed
both
council
scopes
and
dealing
with
that,
they
should
have
10
minutes
to
present
their
case
and
and
the
reasons
for
referral.
I've
also
indicated
to
councillor
rillingworth.
A
That
is
his
last
minute
attempt
to
show
on
a
further
item
of
interest
to
him
into
this
he's
not
really
playing
the
game,
and
I'm
sure
that
he's
he's
accepted
that-
and
I
think
we
all
in
our
heart
of
hearts
would
probably
have
tried
it
on
in
a
very
similar
fashion.
If
we'd
had
the
opportunity,
but
the
referral
is
specifically
about
green
space
and
particularly
in
the
inner
city
and
john's,
obviously
using
examples
in
his
own
word
but
suggests
that
it
might
run
further
than
than
just
that.
K
Can
I
just
say
a
couple
of
opening
remarks
and
then
let
council
in
linworth
use
the
bulk
of
the
ten
minutes,
if
that's
of
course,
of
course,
so
I'd
just
like
to
highlight
three
things
really,
and
the
first
thing
is
that
this
is
a
referral
from
the
corporate
government's
audit
committee
as
a
whole,
which
is
a
a
cross-party
committee
with
members
on
both
sides
and
all
sides
of
of
the
house
of
the
chamber,
and
so
I
think
that's
a
really
important
point.
So
this
is
this.
Is
a
council
referral?
K
I
think
the
main
aspect,
if
you
look
at
page
63
of
my
letter,
is
the
sort
of
accumulation
impact
of
when
several
housing
applications
all
plead
or
we
don't
have
time
or
space
or
money
to
do
the
green
space
and
the
question
really
from
my
perspective
and
counseling
will
give
some
examples
of
this.
I'm
sure
is
how
can
we
ensure
that
that
cumulative
effect
doesn't
build
up
and
have
a
negative
impact
on
areas
of
the
city,
and
I
think
that's
really
valid
and
important
question
and
as
councillor
trustworth
said,
there
are
many
other
issues.
K
My
third
point
is
the
many
other
issues
that
on
planning
that
I'm
sure
we'd
all
like
to
raise
in
any
forum
we
have
the
opportunity
to,
but
I
think
the
point
of
this
referral
is
specifically
around
the
accumulation
impact
and
whether
your
board
can
find
a
way
of
tackling
that
problem
and
whether
you
can
look
at
previous
decisions
in
a
specific
geographical
area
around
green
space
and
take
that
into
consideration
with
that
and
that
so
that's
that's
all.
I
really
wanted
to
say
so
I'll
pass
over
to
councillingworth
to
expand
on
that
position.
A
Before
before
john,
does
it's
been
slightly
remiss
of
me
not
to
invite
you've,
obviously
spoken
now
andrew
and
introduce
yourself
councillor?
Rillingworth
can
introduce
himself,
but
we
also
have
offices
present
from
planning
to
respond
to
the
points
that
are
being
made
so
at
this
juncture,
I'll
get
them
for
the
benefit
of
any
members
of
the
public
who
are
watching
to
introduce
themselves.
And
can
I
start
with
adam.
L
Hi,
yes,
sir
good
morning,
everyone
thank
you
chair,
my
name's
adam
harvard
I'm
the
group
manager
for
policy
and
plans
in
in
the
planning
and
sustainable
development
service.
L
A
L
F
Should
be
a
brief
chair,
I
want
to
say
that
this
is
a
case
where
it
was
possible
to
get
a
much
better
outcome
than
we
actually
achieved,
and
that's
my
driving
force
of
bringing
it
here
that
we
ought
to
review
how
well
our
policies
are
working
and
whether
things
can
fall
through
the
cracks
and
look
to
see
if
there
are
better
ways
of
doing
things.
F
You
can't
really
do
running
on
the
spot
if
you
want
to
go
out
for
a
walk
or
you
want
to
go
out
for
a
roll
or
something
of
that
nature,
you
need
an
extended
space
to
do
it.
Obviously
that
space
is
shared
between
a
large
number
of
people.
It
isn't
a
massive
allocation
per
head,
but
you
do
need
to
assemble
your
sites
into
useful
blocks
where
you
can
walk
and
run
and
do
all
the
things
that
people
do
in
the
open
air
and
we're
not
very
good
at
that.
F
But
it's
particularly
difficult
to
find
large
sites
in
the
inner
city,
and
I
think
an
active
intervention
by
the
council
is
needed
here
as
part
of
our
planning
role.
We
should
be
looking
to
see
how
we
can
get
large
sites,
how
we
can
assemble
them
and
how
we
can
link
together
the
resources
from
several
schemes
to
make
a
bigger
contribution
collectively.
F
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
the
area
between
leeds
station
and
the
curse
of
viaduct,
which
I
think
you've
just
been
mentioning
a
few
minutes
ago,
a
chair-
is
a
prime
example
of
a
site
which
needs,
I
think
work
done
on
it.
Perhaps
that's
going
on,
but
I
don't
know,
but
it's
an
area
where
I
want
to
see
how
we
will
generate
the
playing
fields,
the
running
spaces,
the
picnic
spaces,
all
the
things
you
need
in
that
sea
of
brickwork
and
crush
brick.
F
F
F
I'm
anxious
to
leave
as
much
space
as
possible
for
questions.
I
I
want
to
to
mention
the
the
points
I've
raised.
They
also
want
to
draw
attention
to
the
little
provision
which
is
highlighted
on
page
62
at
25.5.
F
F
If
I
could
you
already
got
the
written
comments,
I
don't
think
you
need
to
repeat
them
again,
but
I
would
like
to
highlight
the
the
the
role
of
the
council
in
assembling
land
and
point
out.
We
have
a
good
example
in
kirkster,
which
again
is,
is
not
being
used
as
well
as
it
could
be
in
the
blood
alleviation
scheme,
where
there's
planning
applications
for
the
actual
flood
works
themselves
and
then
there's
a
separate
application
called
the
hybrid
application,
and
it's
mentioned
on
page
65,
for
the
environmental
public
access
works.
F
It's
sitting
there
waiting,
but
it's
not
actually
been
determined,
so
you
couldn't
really
allocate
any
resources
to
it,
and
yet
it
is
a
fine
model
for
how
you
can
create
extended
public
spaces
from
lots
of
little
pieces,
and
it
is
something
linked
to
the
the
word
alleviation
works
and
I'm
sure
we
could
do
better
on
this.
It's
something
which
I
think
the
board
should
look
at,
and
I'd
envisage
that
areas
like
hunters
riverside.
F
We
could
be
tackled
in
a
similar
way
to
have
a
master
plan
to
which
people
make
contributions,
but
you
need
to
have
them
all
together
to
get
the
final
result.
So
I
think
that's
an
important
point.
I'd
like
you
to
spend
some
time
discussing
and
finally,
I
am
upset
by
the
rule
that
says
that
enforcement
is
done
by
development
officers.
It
simply
it
doesn't
work
and
I've.
F
F
Everybody
was
quite
clear
what
our
policy
was,
but
the
implementation
was
relied
not
on
enforcement
officers,
but
on
development
officers
who
were
in
partnership
with
the
offender
and
as
a
result,
no
enforcement
action
has
taken
place.
I
think
that
is
just
a
serious
glaring
weakness
in
our
present
way
of
working
and
we
ought
to
change
it.
We
ought
to
say
that
planning
enforcement
uses
specialized
staff
who
are
entirely
separate
from
the
staff
that
do
day-to-day
development
control
and
separate
from
the
people
who
have
to
manage
sites
in
the
current
thrust
of
the
commercial
world.
F
A
Right,
thank
you
councillor
doing
with
the
fact
is,
the
10
minutes
was
for
you
to
make
your
contribution.
It
doesn't
include
questions
from
board
members
if
they
so
even
more
generous
than
the
10
minutes.
So
I
mean,
if
there's
anything
else,
you
want
to
elaborate
on.
You've
still
got
a
few
minutes
to
do
so.
F
A
Do
board
members
have
any
questions
or
comments
at
this
stage
to
put
to
to
andrew
or
john?
A
If
not,
I
just
wanted
to
seek
a
little
bit
of
clarification.
John,
the
on
page
64,
the
the
final
paragraph
of
your
email
down
there.
A
Where
we've
had
106
monies
identified
for
environmental
improvements
that
have
then
been
attached
to
other
green
space
within
the
world.
I
mean
we're
fortunate,
obviously,
to
have
middleton
park,
but
also
a
new
forest
plantation
and
one
or
two
other
green
areas,
so
that
one
or
six
money
that's
been
given,
rather
than
providing
the
green
space
within
the
development
has
actually
been
allocated
for
use
in
other
green
space
areas.
A
F
Yes,
we've
got
section
106
one,
it's
relatively
small
pots
from
small
developments
in
the
past
and
we
argue
obviously
intensity
about
whether
it's
going
to
be
allocated.
I
think
it
would
help
if
I
just
mentioned
a
bit
about
the
geography
in
kirksville,
because
it's
it's
obvious
to
me,
but
maybe
not
if
you
don't
represent
the
area.
F
We
have
got
a
huge
area
of
green
space,
it's
actually
an
armley
ward.
It's
the
cursed
valley,
nature
reserve
and
it
results
from
amazingly
silly
policies
in
the
1970s
when
we
tipped
the
site
with
contaminated
fill
and
rendered
it
unuseless
for
development.
So
we've
got
a
large
area
of
land.
That's
now
been
turned
into
a
nature
reserve
and
it's
all
an
army
ward,
but
we
we,
obviously
we
people
can
use
it
from
next
door,
which
is
a
stone's
throw
away
in
kirksville.
F
The
barrier
is
this
no
bridge,
so
for
the
cost
of
a
footbridge
we
could
actually
make
a
huge
enhancement
to
kirksville
residents
access
to
green
space.
At
the
same
time,
we
could
make
an
improvement
for
omni
people
who
may
want
to
go
shopping.
For
example,
at
morrison's
or
the
bridge
road
shopping.
Complex
or
do
things
which
people
do
in
in
district
centers,
and
so
both
sides
stamp
to
gain,
and
we
have
both
got
a
green
space
contribution
to
to
make
this
green
space
on
both
sides
of
the
river,
but
they're
hugely
more
useful.
F
F
It's
we're
looking
at
120
000
pounds
for
a
bridge,
not
a
lot
less
than
the
price
of
a
semi,
and
it
would
open
up
hectares
and
hectares
of
green
space
to
people
on
both
sides
of
the
river
it's
presently
inaccessible,
and
I
look
for
ways
of
actually
doing
that
sort
of
deal
with
john.
A
F
Was
I've
never
had
any
argument
with
people
in
harmony
about?
I
mean
it's
not
neither
of
us
regard
our
green
spaces
as
being
our
land,
and
you
know,
put
the
the
barriers
and
fight
people
and
keep
them
off.
There
is
in
any
case
both
parties
have
got
things
to
bring
to
the
table,
there's
well
the
green
space
and
the
cursor
side,
there's
more
on
the
army
side
put
together,
they
are
better
than
any
of
them
separately.
F
That's
the
point
I'm
making,
but
the
the
the
reason
for
making
a
fuss
about
this
is
that
I
say
the
cost
of
doing
this
about
120
000
pounds.
That
sort
of
sum
is
achievable
out
of
the
green
space
contribution
that
we
were
anticipating
except
it's
been
thrown
away.
We've
not
asked
for
any
greening
space
contribution
for
recent
developments
in
kirk's
saw.
F
We
didn't
take
that
opportunity,
so
we
haven't
got
the
money
any
longer
and
it's
because
we
had
to
balance
affordable
housing,
green
space,
the
access
requirements,
all
the
usual
things
that
go
into
planning
application
and
the
way
the
cookie
crumbled
was
zero,
green
space
money
and
a
lot
of
resources
into
affordable
housing.
Defensible
a
reasonable
compromise,
you
might
say,
but
he's
completely
thrown
away
the
green
space
opportunity.
That
was
there.
A
K
Yeah,
just
on
that
question,
councillor
truster,
I
think,
there's
two
two
issues
here:
one
is
the
so
you're
right.
The
106
money
can
go
into
the
the
bigger
green
spaces
and
again
I'm
fortunate
in
my
ward.
We've
got
cross
flats
park
and
holbeck
moore,
but
I
guess
there's
a
there's
a
wider
question
about
really
local
green
spaces
and
my
experience,
particularly
in
the
in
the
city
section
of
my
ward,
is
that
people
don't
like
traveling
for
green
space
they're,
not
traveling
outside
their
immediate
neighborhood,
and
so,
if
you
have
a
number
of
developments.
L
K
You've
you've
knocked
the
green
space
on
the
head,
for
whatever
reason
that
accumulates
to
be
in
a
bigger
area
without
any
green
space,
and
so
whether
you
need
pocket
gardens
or
green
streets
or
whatever
it
is.
I
think
this
is
the
accumulation
impact
of
a
number
of
another
number
of
planning
applications
accumulating
over
a
period
of
time,
and
each
of
them
having
an
exemption
for
green
space
or
just
a
contribution
to
one
of
the
big
areas
or
whatever.
K
A
You
thanks
very
much
for
that.
Andrew
jonathan.
G
Thank
you
chair.
I
we've
spoken
about
106
in
in
the
scrutiny
board
before,
and
I'm
really
pleased
john
has
mentioned
it
now.
G
I
I
think
I
also
feel
his
frustration,
sometimes
with
restrictions
imposed
on
106
on
how
we,
as
councillors,
can
actually
spend
it,
and
I
think,
we've
what
we
in
horsworth
have
tried
so
far,
unsuccessfully
to
be
involved
in
those
conversations
with
planning
officers
when
they
make
the
request
to
developers
on
on
how
on
what
106
is
asked
for
and
how
it
can
be
spent
once
once
the
development
is
complete,
but
also
at
what
stage
of
the
development
the
106
is
paid.
So
an
example.
G
I
know
I'm
keen
not
to
get
into
my
ward
examples,
but
one
that
I
do
know
of
is
the
the
flats
at
horses
mill.
The
final
payment
of
the
106
can't
be
made
until
the
last
flight
is
occupied,
and
you
know
who
knows
when
that
could
be.
It
could
be
a
show
home
forever
and
then
the
developers
they
have
saved
90,
odd
grand
and
then
we
that's
that's
robbed
from
our
community
and
then
that's
before.
We've
even
got
over
the
challenge
of
where
in
the
ward
it
can
actually
be
spent.
A
I'm
just
going
to
intervene
there,
jonathan,
because
I
know
I
know
that
this
is
a
virtual,
where
it's
very
difficult
for
any
of
us,
and
I
say
any
of
us
to
reign
ourselves
back
not
to
explore
some
of
our
reservations
about
the
overall
planning
process
and
components
of
it,
but
I'll
bring
us
back
to
the
referral
being
about
green
space
and
the
issues
that
the
council
are
dealing
with
has
raised,
and
that
obviously
has
been
focused
on
very
precisely
by
andrew
in
his
in
his
previous
contribution.
A
So
I
don't
want
this
to
get
too
far
away
and
also
I'm
mindful
that
we
still
need
to
bring
officers
in
to
comment
on
some
of
the
questions
and
issues
that
have
been
raised.
So
I
apologize
for
my
intervention,
but
I
think
I
need
to
exercise
a
little
bit
of
discipline
over
everyone,
including
myself,
on
this
issue.
Of
course,.
G
F
F
I
think
so
you
obviously
do
make
reasonable
anticipation
of
what's
going
to
happen,
it's
a
sensible
way
of
planning,
but
in
this
case
it's
fallen
on
completely
on
stony
ground
and
say
we
have
got
zero
green
space
from
artisan,
and
this
has
really
put
the
upset
the
apple
cut
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
made
forward
planning
very
difficult
and
okay.
If
I'd
known
this
was
coming,
I
wouldn't
have.
A
Done
it,
if
you
know
what
I
mean,
we've
got
the
message
and
we
want.
We
obviously
want
the
officers
to
come
back
on
this
and,
although
you're,
quoting
a
specific,
I'm
sure
you're
right
in
saying
that
this
happens
elsewhere,
where
developers
throw
up
their
hands
and
say,
viability
and
and
get
these
sorts
of
concessions
katie,
you
wanted
to
to
contribute.
C
Yes
very
quickly,
and
I
think
the
traveling
to
green
space
issue
is
really
really
important.
Not
everybody
has
the
ability
to
travel
very
far
and
if
we're
looking
at
health
benefits,
it
really
does
make
a
difference
if
people
have
access
on
their
doorstep.
C
I'm
interested
in
john's
comment
about
the
staffing
of
enforcement
for
planning
decisions.
So
perhaps,
if
I
stop
talking
now
and
we
hear
from
some
officers,
we
could
explore
that.
A
Okay,
that's
a
very
nice
bridge
into
welcoming
the
officers
and
asking
them
to
to
contribute
and
and
please,
if
you
could
couch
your
comments
in
terms
of
the
questions
and
issues
that
have
been
raised
by
councillor
reeling
with
council
scopes
and
board
members
and
then
maybe
elucidate
the
the
report
but
assume
that
members
have
read
the
report.
So
is
it
adam
who's
leading
off
on
this.
L
Yes,
happy
teacher,
I
mean
just
firstly
just
wanted
to
thank
counseling
with
encounters
scopes
for
for
bringing
this
to
to
to
the
scrutiny
panel.
It's
a
really
important
issue
with
council.
Linguist
made
the
point
about
how
important
green
space
is
and
I'm
sure
council
scopes
would
agree
as
well
and
the
the
the
vital
work
it
it
has
in
terms
of
health
and
well-being
and
we
as
officers.
We
completely
agree-
and
we
welcome
this
opportunity
to
kind
of
discuss
this
in
more
detail.
L
And
if
that
that
occurs
in
further
scrutiny
panels,
then
again,
we
really
do
welcome
that
opportunity
I'll
hand
over
to
ana
in
in
detail
just
because
I
think
he'll
pick
up
on
some
of
the
more
more
detailed
points
I
think
as
well.
L
Then
I
think
if
jonathan
can
come
in
perhaps
on
the
the
issues
that
have
been
raised
with
as
regard
to
perhaps
enforcement
colleagues
and
some
of
the
issues
relating
to
the
section
106
collections
and
then,
if
there's
any
issues
that
we
haven't
picked
up,
then
I
can
kind
of
mop
up
towards
the
end,
if
that's
helpful,
but
I'll
I'll
hand
it
over
to
anap
and
with
some
of
that
response.
Okay,
thank
you.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
counselors.
Just
to
echo
adam's
comments
that
believe
it
or
not.
Officers
are
incredibly
passionate
about
green
space
as
well.
We
all
do
see
as
an
important
function.
One
of
the
biggest
questions
was
seem
to
be
about
land
assembly.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
say
that
the
policy
that
allows
us
to
get
green
space-
and
this
was
insisted
by
the
inspector
demands
green
space
on
site.
So
in
the
majority
of
applications
we
will
be
getting
green
space
on
site
and
it
will
be
attached
to
the
development.
E
What
a
lot
of
the
discussion
seems
to
be
about
is
how
and
in
the
situations
where
we
do
get
money
say
one
or
six
months
that
can
be
used
as
to
quote
consular
in
a
more
effective
manner,
land
assembly,
in
effect,
to
sort
of
pull
together
large
pieces
of
land
to
create
something
more
meaningful
for
the
area.
I
think
I've
put
out
stated
fairly
clearly
in
the
report.
I
think
we
have
stated
very
clearly
in
the
report,
but
this
is
quite
a
difficult
task.
E
Under
current
planning
guidance,
it's
not
something
that
is
impossible,
but
it
is
something
that
at
the
moment
it
does
say
it's
got
to
be
directly
related
to
the
development
which
we
say
by
ward.
E
What
you're
asking
is,
if
we
took
say
five
separate
developments
with
one
of
six
agreements,
could
we
pool
all
the
money
and
develop
something
more
meaningful
has
been
asked
before
it's
a
question
that
has
been
discussed
and
what
I
would
say
is
that
we
are
currently
going
through
a
local
plan,
update
and
I've
put
that
in
the
report,
and
there
is
absolutely
no
reason
that
we
can't
look
at
that.
We
can't
explore
that.
E
I
can't
give
any
guarantee
the
legislation
is,
and
the
guidance
and
the
policy
guidance
we
get
from
government,
it's
fairly
specific
and
I'm
sure
legal
have
an
opinion
on
on
how
we
take
this
forward.
But
I
think
in
in
the
first
instance
I
can
say:
well,
let's
explore
it,
but
I
would
I'm
not
going
to
try
to
screw
to
me
and
say
it
can
be
done.
E
I
will
say:
let's
explore
it,
but
that
that
issue
of
pooling
section
106
contributions
where
appropriate,
because
in
the
first
instance
to
quote
back
to
council
scopes
his
comment.
Local
green
space
is
very
important,
particularly
through
covid
and
actually
a
big
development.
Getting
a
small
piece
of
green
space
near
their
development.
It's
really
useful
for
the
people
there
and
people
walking
10
minutes
away
to
call
councillor
dies
concerns
as
well.
So
in
all
cases
it
may
not
be
appropriate
to
tool
the
resources
but
the
flexibility
to
take
that
forward.
Yeah.
E
We
can
explore
it
and
I
mean,
subject
to
adam
of
course,
and
we
will
we
can.
I
think
we
can
look
at
that
through
the
local
plan
update.
A
E
Yes,
I
mean
it's
part
and
parcel
of
the
consultation
process,
so
yes,
you'll
be
consulted
on
it
regardless,
but
we
welcome
anyone
from
outside
being
involved,
and
I
think
members
in
the
development
plan
panel
have
been
very
very
clear,
but
they
want
this
to
be
a
very
well
consulted
on.
If
you
like
approach-
and
it
is
a
climate
change
based
update
so
yeah,
we
we
welcome
any
comments,
and
this
particular
one
from
councillor
illinois.
We
can
explore.
A
E
Whoever,
I
think
I'll
refer
this
back
to
adam
that'd,
be
correct.
L
Councillor
trust
well,
yes,
that
that
we're
we're
going
to
plans
panel
on
the
second
of
march
is
our
next
occasion,
so
any
recommendations
along
those
lines
would
be
would
be
helpful
just
just
to
clarify
what
that
consultation
is
we're
a
very
early
stage
of
consultation.
It's
called
scoping,
so
we're
really
just
trying
to
flesh
out
what
the
ideas
that
this
plan
should
cover
and
as
anna's
report
makes
clear.
L
We
green
infrastructure
is
one
of
the
five
strands
of
that
and
green
space
falls
within
within
that
very
clearly,
and
how
we
deal
with
that,
and
our
approaches
to
green
space
is
something
that
we're
looking
to
explore.
I
mean
council
willingworth
spoke
earlier
about.
You
know
we
need
to
review
whether
our
policies
work
or
not,
and
absolutely
right
about
that
monitoring
is
a
key
part
of
of
any
plan
making
process.
L
I
think
it's
important
that
an
opportunity
is
provided
for
those
policies
to
bed
in
to
make
sure
that
we
we've
given
them
enough
time
to
work
and
that
we've
effectively
monitored
developments
have
come
in
after
those
policies
have
come
in.
As
you
can
imagine,
monitoring
has
been
quite
challenging
over
the
last
year
and
whilst
we
can
do
a
certain
degree
desk
based
really
to
do
this
effectively,
you
need
to
go
out
on
site.
You
need
to
look
at
these
developments
to
see.
L
What's
really
happened
on
the
ground,
otherwise,
you're
really
really
only
getting
half
of
the
picture
so
to
fully
assess
how
how
effective
our
current
policies
are.
I
think
we
would,
I
think,
it'd
be
beneficial
to
perhaps
have
at
least
a
few
more
months
after
the
lockdown
is
completed
before
we
can
properly
pull
all
that
data
together-
probably
reprovide
that
to
this
panel
at
this
board,
rather
to
fully
understand
and
show
the
picture
of,
what's
happened
after
the
new
policies.
L
Building
on
that,
it's
also
an
opportunity,
through
the
local
plan,
update
to
then
assess
whether
we
do
need
to
look
at
different
approaches
in
perhaps
the
city
center
different
approaches,
obviously,
across
the
whole
district,
different
definitions
of
gi,
to
expand
it
and
protect
it.
One
note
of
caution.
I
suppose
I
would
suggest-
and
it's
this
debate.
I
think
that
council,
willingworth
and
council
scopes
are
having
about
the
benefits
of
small-scale
green
green
space
as
opposed
to
large
scale
green
spaces.
L
You
can't
necessarily
have
both
if
the
value
is
of
the
little
pocket
parks
close
to
developments,
so
that
people
don't
have
to
travel,
then
the
money
that
was
available
has
been
delivered
on
those
schemes.
Then
there
isn't
really
it's
not
likely
that
there's
going
to
be
much
money
left
over
for
the
larger
schemes
that
might
be
delivered
as
part
of
land
assembly,
so
it
I
don't
think,
there's
necessarily
going
to
be
enough
money
in
that
pot
to
allow
us
to
explore
doing
both
of
those
things.
So
I
think
perhaps
it
might
be
useful.
L
I
think,
as
we
as
we
move
forward
over
the
next
few
months,
to
think
about
and
consider
the
issues
of
which
would
be
most
beneficial,
because
I
think,
as
a
result
of
covert
19,
it
seems
that
a
lot
of
people
are
putting
a
lot
more
emphasis
on
what's
available
in
their
within
their
immediate
environments.
L
What
we're
talking
about
in
the
local
plan
update,
is
this
sort
of
20
minute
neighborhood,
what
what's
immediately
accessible
to
you,
rather
than
what
you
necessarily
would
have
to
travel
to
to
get
to,
and
that's
probably
just
the
thought
that's
useful
to,
but
for
members
to
be
aware.
A
Of
I
mean
my
understanding
of
what
councillor
linworth
was
saying
is:
where
developers
can't
deliver
on
site,
he
would
want
to
see
delivered
off-site,
but
he's
already
quoted
an
example,
and
I
know
there
are
others
where
there's
not
even
been
the
requirement
to
deliver
off-site,
because
viability
is
hov,
interviewing
and
prevented
that
could
I
just
say
I
will
allow
councillors,
scopes
and
and
and
illinois
to
come
back
and
have
the
final
word
on
this
once
we've
exhausted
all
their
contributions
from
board
members,
so
I
don't
know,
do
any
other
board
members
want
to
raise
any
issues
or
ask
any
questions.
C
Well,
yeah
just
to
explore
two
things
really,
the
the
question
I
asked
earlier
on,
the
staffing
of
of
planning
enforcement,
and
also
I
do
have
a
lot
of
concerns
about
this
viability,
issue
and
kind
of
letting
planners
get
away
with
saying
that
it's
not
viable
and
just
wondered
about
a
little
bit
more
of
an
exploration
on
that.
J
J
I
mean
as
part
of
your
opening
remarks.
I
think
you
were
sort
of
hoping
that
this
would
be
confined
to
the
realms
of
discussing
green
space
so
rather
than
the
enforcement
matters,
but
I'm
happy
to
respond
on
that
point.
If,
if
you
wish
me
to
do
so,
we
claim
we
did
talk,
and
we
have
discussed
quite
extensively
at
the
corporate
government
and
audits
committee
about
what
probably
is
the
same
issue
regarding
sites
that
the
council
has
an
interest
in.
J
H
J
Explore
again,
perhaps
in
this
forum,
it
is
something
that
we've
taken
on
board
as
part
of
that
corporate
governance
and
audits
discussion,
and
we
are
in
the
process
of
finalizing
a
protocol
to
look
at
that
particular
issue
whereby
we
can
escalate
concerns
that
are
raised
regarding
breaches
of
planning,
control
on
council
sites
or
land
within
council
ownership.
J
And
there
will
be
an
escalation
through
directors.
Possibly
the
chief
executive
of
matches
that
are
not
being
resolved
within
a
timely
sort
of
period
of.
A
J
It
is
indeed
yeah,
I
mean
obviously
each
scheme
we
do
have
to
look
at
the
viability
of
development
proposals
as
part
of
our
remit
and
the
one
just
to
illustrate
the
point,
in
particular
the
kirk's
hill
development
that
council
linguists
referred
to
did
involve
a
long
discussion
about
the
viability
of
that
scheme
and
there's
counseling
with
knowledge.
J
It
takes
a
long
time
for
us
to
get
to
a
point
where
we've
got
an
agreement
on
that
panel
members
did
discuss
the
merits
of
the
affordable
housing
offer,
as
opposed
to
other
elements
within
the
pot,
as
it
were
that
the
developer
could
afford,
and
in
this
particular
instance
they
did
prioritize
the
affordable
housing
contribution
of
a
green
space.
J
Regarding
that
that
income
to
the
council,
but
in
that
particular
case,
yes,
it
certainly
was
a
point
that
green
space
did
lose
out
to
an
extent.
It's
not
to
say
that's
the
case
in
every
every
application,
but
that
was
that
was
the
problem
with
that
particular
site.
J
As
I
say,
we
do
have
to
take
into
account
the
viability
concerns
that
developers
do
have
and
if
the
district
origin
decides
that
the
scheme
isn't
viable,
then
it
may
be
the
case
that
we
do
move
forward
with
slightly
lower
offer
on
affordable
housing
order
aspects
of
the
scheme
that
we
would
otherwise
have
hoped
to
be
fully
compliant
with
our
requirements
within
the
local
plan.
J
A
Could
we
just
be
clear
that
to
some
extent,
we
are
shackled
by
external
forces
as
we
are
with
so
many
planning
issues?
If
I
remember
rightly,
the
government
enshrined
in
law
in
planning
law,
the
notion
of
viability.
A
A
By
the
district
value,
the
district
valuer
to
some
extent,
we
cannot
challenge
and
has
to
be
minded
that
developers
should
be
able
to
achieve.
Is
it
a
twenty-five
percent
profit?
It's
twenty
percent.
A
Lot:
yeah,
yeah,
okay,
so,
but
just
to
clarify
that,
to
some
extent
our
hands
are
tied
and
we
don't
have
a
huge
amount
of
discretion
when
push
comes
to
shove,
on
viability,
thanks
to
the
planning,
regulations
and
law.
Indeed,.
J
It
just
constrains
it
in
that
respect.
We
have
negotiated
downwards
of
20
on
occasion,
but
that
is
considered
to
be
the
sort
of
benchmark
figure
by
which
district
value
would
consider
a
reasonable
profit
margin
can
be
achieved
for
a
developer.
J
Okay,
I
mean
just
to
talk
about
section
106
generally
and
the
constraints
in
law
regarding
what
we
could
ask
for
under
section
106
as
well.
I
mean
anaps
mentioned
the
fact
that
we
can
now
pull
again
contributions
towards
a
particular
aspect
of
the
development
to
make
it
acceptable,
but
we
are
to
an
extent
constrained
into
what
we
can
put
monies
towards
once
they've
actually
been
secured.
J
We
don't
have
a
general
one
of
six
parts
that
can
be
used
for
any
particular
purpose,
but
the
council
wishes
it
to
just
have
to
relate
closely
to
the
development
that
was
actually
approved
and
the
section
106
obligations
within
it
rather
than
being
a
general
pot.
I
think
it's
always
important
to
emphasize
that
at
these
meetings.
I
Yeah
sorry,
charles
I
mean
I've
just
been
listening
in
the
background
to
the
debate,
as
it's
progressed,
just
a
point
of
clarification
on
what
you
said,
council
trust
will
and
jonathan
by
all
means
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
the
district
valuer
is
employed
and
commissioned
by
ourselves
to
provide
that
valuation
advice
they're
not
doing
it
as
a
an
independent
in
the
middle
party
that
they're
providing
professional
advice
to
ourselves.
I
Obviously,
as
a
professional
advisor,
you
know
using
the
the
royal
institute
of
chartered
surveyors
transcended
processes,
they
have
to
be
satisfied
that
what
they're
signing
off
is
correct
from
their
perspective.
I
So
you
know
as
part
of
that
process,
and
you
know-
and
on
occasion
I
mean
I-
I
have
fri
ics
behind
my
name,
although
I
hide
it
very
well,
but
I
will
have
discussions
with
the
value.
There
is
a
sort
of
an
internal
check
and
challenge
and
sharing
of
intelligence
on
particular
development
sites,
etc.
Just
to
help
the
discrete
valuer
in
terms
of
forming
their
conclusions,
but
they
are
acting
for
us,
but,
albeit
in
a
professional
capacity
that
they
ultimately
are
responsible
for
the
recommendations
that
they
make.
J
Yes,
there
are
alternatives
to
using
the
district
value,
but
the
vast
majority
of
authorities
do
so
because
it's
a
respected
authority,
as
it
were
within
the
world
of
of
assessments
in
terms
of
valuations
of
property.
A
J
It
does
indeed,
and
the
district
value
has
got
the
handle
on
schemes
across
the
city
as
well,
so
they
know
the
benchmarks
that
can
be
achieved.
Okay,
they
know
the
costs
involved,
etc.
So
from
that
perspective,
it's
somebody
who
is
extremely
experienced
and
knowledgeable
about
the
whole
city
rather
than
an
independent
value.
We
may
come
in
to
carry
out
one
or
two
assessments
on
our
behalf,
so
we
do
have
that
sort
of
extensive
knowledge
behind
them
as
well,
which
helps
you
know
our
use
of
them.
A
Okay,
right,
I
don't
see
any
other
members
of
the
board
indicating
so
I'll
start
to
bring
this
discussion
to
a
close
and
in
doing
so,
we'll
invite
councillor
scopes
and
illinois
just
to
make
some
final
comments
on
what
we've,
what
we've
heard
so
andrew.
I
think
you
wanted
to
come
in
earlier.
So
I'll
start
with
you
and
the
referral
came
from
you
formally
anyway,.
K
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much.
Cancer
trustworth.
I
think
just
a
few
things,
if
that's
okay,
so
firstly,
I'm
not
convinced
that
a
lot
of
small
sites
are
getting
on
like
developments
when
I
say
small
developments,
I'm
in
houses
of
like
less
than
50
or
something
like
that
to
get
in
specific
green
spaces
allocated
to
them,
and
so
I
think
this
is
a
piece
to
look
at,
especially
where
areas
where
several
smaller
sites
are
developed.
K
I
my
take
on
the
viability
is
that
it
is
very
subjective
and
if
there's
anything,
we
could
do
to
look
at
that
further
it'd
be
worthwhile,
for
example,
there's
a
site
in-
and
I
apologize
chair
that
I'm
just
giving
an
example.
Sorry,
my
world,
where
we
were
told
by
the
district
valuer,
that
no
affordable
houses
were
viable
that
went
through
plans
panel.
K
I
guess,
as
as
was
mentioned,
we
are
as
a
corporate
governance
audit
committee
looking
at
the
protocol
for
enforcement
of
leeds
city
council,
own
property,
but
also
joint
ventures,
and
so
I
think,
that's
an
important
piece
to
say
and
that
will
be
coming
back
to
corporate
governance
and
audit
either
formally
or
through
all
the
committee
members.
So
I
just
want
to
assure
members
of
this
committee
that
the
governance
aspect
of
that
is
being
looked
at
and
taken
seriously
and
just.
K
Finally,
I
do
think
this
point
about
looking
at
the
accumulation
of
an
impact
is
worth
doing
in
an
area
and
so
I'd
urge
you,
as
a
as
a
scrutiny
panel,
to
take
this
issue
to
take
this
issue
seriously
and
use
the
influence
that
you
have
as
a
committee
to
and
as
a
board
to
move
the
agenda
forward.
Thank
you
very
much
for
having
us.
We
appreciate
it.
F
Briefly,
share
yes
on
viability.
One
thing
that
we
were
warned
by
the
district
valuer
in
in
kirk's
was
that
there
was
no
limit
on
multiple
applications.
He
said
to
us.
Well,
we've
agreed
a
viability
restriction
here
in
relation
to
green
infrastructure,
but
don't
imagine
you're
off
the
hook,
because
this
may
well
come
back
at
the
later
stage
of
development
fitting
out
stage.
Even
when
somebody
throws
their
hands
have
been
harassed.
Oh,
we
can't
afford
it
and
other
aspects
are
cut
off.
F
So
he
did
warn
that
there
was
a
risk
of
repeat
applications
from
every
stage
of
the
construction
process
and
don't
think
you're
in
the
clear
because
you
might
not
be.
I
found
that
profoundly
worrying
but
doesn't
make
you
do
about
it,
but
it
was
a
point
just
betray
my
age
here.
I
remember
the
udp
that
was
a
long
time
ago,
but
an
important
concept.
F
There
was
green
corridors
and
that,
I
think,
is
something
which
we
shouldn't
lose
sight
of,
because
it
is
possible
to
have
local
green
space
on
site
of
reasonably
accessible
development,
but
it
can
be
linked
into
a
larger
area
of
green
space.
That's
accessible
by
traffic
free
route
and
I
feel
we're
not
playing
this
card
as
often
as
we
should
be
that
there
are
opportunities
here
to
link
together
a
lot,
a
chain
of
local
sites
that
are
valuable
in
their
own
right
to
people
living
on
the
spot.
F
But
we
should
also
valuable
to
the
superheroes
who
wants
to
go
jogging.
Yeah.
A
Of
of
you
know
the
planning
process
and
the
limitation
on
our
our
local
discretion.
So
unless
there
are
other
points
you
want
to
raise
that
we're
related
to
the
previous
discussion
without
introducing
new
matters,
because
I
know
the
officers
were
to
come
back
on
the
point
that
you
raised
so
counselor
reef.
Could
you
possibly
mute
your
microphone
please?
So,
unless
you've
got
you
know,
responses
to
what's
already
been
discussed,
I
shall
kind
of
bring
matas
to
a
close.
At
that
point,
that's
right!
Thank
you,
cher,
yeah,
okay.
Well,
look.
I
think.
A
We've
had
a
really
good
discussion,
and
invariably,
I
think,
when
we
get
referrals
to
us
for
us
to
look
at
particular
issues.
We
finish
up
having
a
mini
inquiry
anyway,
and
I
think
that's
what
we've
done
to
a
degree
which
I
think
has
been
very
very
helpful,
but
just
trying
to
pull
this
this
this
item
together.
I
think
we
need
to
note
that
we
are
going
to
be
consulted
in
due
course
about
the
the
the
update
on
the
local
plan,
which
will
include
reference
to
this.
A
The
officers
have
mentioned
that
and
we
will
be
consulted.
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
we
can't
necessarily
put
a
time
scale
on
that,
because,
if
I
remember
rightly
adam
indicated
that
some
of
the
work
in
terms
of
what's
gone
before
will
require
work
that
can
only
be
done
post-pandemic
whenever
that
might
be.
A
I
think
there
also
implicitly
was
an
agreement
within
the
board
that
we
should
make
a
recommendation
to
our
colleagues
on
the
development
plans
panel
around
this
issue
of
what
might
be
called
site
assembly
and
the
the
pooling
of
106
resources
to
achieve
the
sort
of
end.
That
john
has
mentioned
at
the
outset
and
is
is
the
key
point.
A
A
Is
there
anything
else
that
members
would
want
to
add
general
agreement?
No
dissent
done.
Okay.
Well,
once
again,
thank
you,
john
adam
and
the
officers
for
attending
on
this
mat.
I
think
it
has
been
a
very
useful
and
helpful
discussion
and
I
think
we
have
got
something
palpable
out
of
it
and
we
will
be
revisiting
it
both
in
terms
of
our
response
to
any
consultation,
but
I
think
we
will
also
factor
it
in
to
our
future
discussions
about
the
planning
process.
A
Okay,
that's
fine
feel
free
to
leave
us
we're
almost
at
the
end
of
the
agenda
anyway.
Yeah
cheers
stay
safe.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
right,
colleagues.
That
brings
us
on
to
our
final
item
agenda
item
10
work
schedule.
We
usually
just
know
this.
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
specific
that
you'd
want
to
bring
to
our
attention.
Becky.
A
The
fact
that
we,
probably
in
terms
of
the
discussion
well
the
last
discussion,
but
also
the
discussion
on
inclusive
growth
report-
need
to
list
those
specific
issues
that
perhaps
we
want
to
drill
down
to
in
a
bit
more
detail
as
part
of
a
future
work
program.
But
that
is
for
the
board
next
year.