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A
A
A
Okay
and
I'm
councillor
paul
truswell,
I
I
represent
middleton
and
bell
island.
They
also
chair
this
scrutiny
board.
So
moving
on
to
the
agenda
proper
gender
item,
one
appeals:
I'm
not
aware
of
any
agenda
item
two
exclusion
of
the
public.
It's
not
applicable
late
items.
There
were
none
declarations
of
interest,
speak
now
or
forever
all
your
peace,
but
I'm
not
aware
of
any
apologies.
We've
got
martin
farrington
who
may
have
to
leave
at
12
p.m.
A
A
D
I
know
it
appears
later
on
the
agenda,
but
there's
a
statement
towards
the
end
of
the
bullet
points.
In
the
first
paragraph
saying
that
member
concern
regarding
school
children
and
students
trying
to
get
to
classes
on
time
was
noted
and
would
be
raised
with
weinke.
So
I
just
wanted
to
check
that
that
was
done.
D
A
D
E
A
Obviously
this
is
quite
an
organic
discussion
and
we
can't
shackle
ourselves
to
recommendations
that
were
made
four
years
ago
and
clearly
at
the
moment,
much
of
what
we've
discussed
in
the
past
has
been
overshadowed
and
overtaken
by
kobe,
and
we
do
actually
have
a
presentation
from
dave
pearson
from
wykah.
That
focuses
particularly
on
that.
So
really,
I
think
our
discussion
on
this
part
of
the
agenda
needs
to
be
in
two
parts.
A
If,
for
no
other
reason,
then
we
have
to
actually
give
it
a
a
pass
mark
or
whatever
as
part
of
the
ongoing
scrutiny
process.
So
before
I
ask
dave
to
start
his
his
presentation,
I'd
like
to
run
through
the
ever
burgeoning
list
of
guests
that
we've
got.
It's
almost
been
like
cecil,
b
demille
directing
a
cast
of
thousands.
I
will
start
with
councillor
mulherin
because
she
happens
to
be
first
on
my
list
so
lisa.
Could
you
introduce
yourself
please.
D
A
A
B
A
J
Okay,
becky's
just
sharing
the
screen,
so
I'll
should
be
kind
of
to
move
the
slides
on.
As
I
speak,
I'm
just
going
to
get
a
little
bit
of
context
and
background
to
to
the
discussion.
We're
about
to
have
and
then
counselor
groves
will
will
then
come
in
and
and
just
put
it
but
a
bit
of
context
as
to
particularly
how
we're
seeing
things
now
and
where
we
want
to
to
to
take
things
in
the
future
and
then
obviously
we
can.
J
We
can
answer
any
questions
and
and
deal
with
any
issues
that
members
have,
but
it's
for
lots
of
reasons
in
lots
of
ways.
This
has
been
a
very
very
different
year
that
we're
dealing
with
in
public
transport
as
well
as
in
life
generally,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
start
with
with,
as
the
chair
said,
that
the
at
the
outset,
the
impact
that
corvid
is
having
on
public
transport
and
the
particularly
way
in
which
it
changes
the
landslide
escape
a
little
bit
around
public
transport.
J
But
but
it's
leveling
out
at
around
just
over
50
percent
of
of
the
the
numbers
of
passengers.
We
would
expect
to
be
seeing
on
buses
at
this
at
each
time
of
the
year.
So
so,
essentially,
what
what
we've
we've
got
is
is
about
half
the
number
of
people
who
are
traveling
on
bus
than
we
would
normally
expect,
and-
and
I
think
this,
this
graph
sort
of
illustrates
that
fairly
effectively.
J
J
That's
it's
been
slowest
to
move.
If
becky,
you
could
give
us
the
next
slide.
Thank
you
and
that
sort
of
this
slide
more
or
less
confirms
what
we've
just
been
saying.
Bus
services
reduce
quite
a
lot
between
april
and
june
to
a
key
worker
network
and
then
slowly
but
surely
they've
been
reinstated
back
to
back
to
normal,
essentially
from
september
onwards,
plus
the
additional
buses
that
that
that
are
needed
to
to
get
children
to
and
from
school
and
students
to
and
from
college.
J
J
We're
working
very
closely
with
bus
operators
to
try
and
get
the
buses
in
the
right
place
to
minimize
that.
But
but
it
is
something
that's
that
that's
an
inevitable
consequence
of
the
fact
that,
particularly
in
the
late
afternoon
on
we've
got
the
the
most
active
sort
of
demand,
predominantly
driven
by
schools
and
colleges.
J
So
what
this
slide
is
doing
is
is
is
basically
looking
at
the
different
scenarios
as
to
what
happens
next
on
on
funding,
because
funding
is
key
to
this.
As
I
said,
funding
is
propping
up
the
bus
service
at
the
moment
and
and
and
how
that
funding
plays
out
over
the
coming
current
period
of
of
lockdown
restrictions,
but
also
beyond
that.
So,
if,
if
things
on
the
first
scenario,
more
or
less
continue
as
they
are
now,
then
we'll
still
have
the
service
levels.
J
We'll
still
have
the
capacity
constraints
that
that
graph
at
the
beginning
will
sort
of
flatten
out.
But
one
thing
we
should
bear
in
mind
is
that
there
will
be
a
long-term
impact
on
travel.
Behavior
people's
people
are
already
changing
their
travel
behavior
and
some
of
that
will
be
short
term
because
the
pandemic,
some
of
it,
will
be
longer
term.
J
If
the
public
sector
funding
into
interbus
comes
to
a
premature
end,
in
whatever
form
that
means
then
then,
essentially,
the
the
bus
industry
will
need
to
level
out
at
a
level
of
costs
that
meets
the
revenue
that's
coming
in,
and
all
businesses
have
to
do
that.
That's
that
that's
their
obligations
as
businesses,
and
what
that
that
means
is
that,
if,
if
the
funding
is
withdrawn
too
early,
then
we
could
be
looking
at
withdrawal
of
services.
J
We
could
be
looking
at
job
losses
in
the
bus
industry
and
I
think
that's
that's
a
a
concern
that
we
all
we
all
have
is
that
if,
if
government
sees
that
the
end
of
social
distancing
is
the
end
of
of
of
the
emergency
funding
for
bus,
then
we
I
think,
we're
fairly
clear
that
that
the
bus
passengers
will
not
return
in
exactly
the
same
numbers
as
they
were
traveling
in
2019
and
then
there'll
be
a
funding
gap
to
bridge
going
forward.
And
so
that's
our
position
to
government
is
very
much.
J
So
if
becky
you
can
move
to
the
next
slide,
I
think
we
should
recognize
also
that
there
are
longer
term
implications
of
corvid.
I
think
we
we're
all
used
to
reading
articles
and
and
talking
to
colleagues
around
will
people's
working
patterns,
particularly
those
who
work
in
in
city
and
town
center
offices,
change
for
the
long
term,
and
is
that
going
to
reduce
the
amount
of
people
commuting
and,
if
that
reduces
the
amount
of
people
commuting.
J
J
Affordability
to
to
travel
to
work
is
going
to
be
a
massive
massive
thing
to
for
us
to
deal
with
as
we
we
try
and
get
people
back
to
work
and
we
try
and
get
the
economy
back
moving
again
shopping
habits
have
changed
online
shopping.
Is
that
what
what
implications
are
that
for
for
our
retail
centers
and
one
of
the
things
that
is
quite
interesting
through
all
the
pandemic?
J
That
people
will
perceive
cleanliness
and
overcrowding
as
being
is
very
that
their
tolerance
of
those
things
are
going
to
be
very
different
coming
out
of
this
than
they
were
going
in,
and
I
think
the
other
other
thing
to
bear
in
mind
is
that
the
the
the
whole
impact
on
financial
impact
on
on
buses
has
the
risk
of
slowing
down
investment
in
in
newer
and
cleaner
vehicles
becky
issuing
up
to
the
next
one.
So
that's
all
fairly.
J
Do
me
sort
of
sort
of
prognosis
to
the
future,
but
what
I
did
want
to
do
is
just
to
give
a
a
little
reminder
that
actually,
whilst
we've
been
in
some
of
the
sort
of
severe
lockdown
and
some
of
the
restrictions
that
have
taken
place,
we
are
actually
working
quite
strongly
to
to
bring
back
a
a
modernized,
improved
bus
network
for
the
city
and
in
particular
the
leads
public
transport
investment
program.
Construction
work
has
gone
on
a
pace
in
the
city
centre,
particularly
around
the
hedgerow
we've
started.
J
J
There
are
longer
longer-term
plans
around
the
city
square
around
the
area
around
sir
james's
hospital
and
and
and
further
expansion
of
park
and
ride
one
of
the
things
we
we
we
were
planning
to
do
anyway,
and
we
will
it
so.
We
will
emerge
with
a
bus
service
which
in
leeds
which
has
a
new
color
coded
system
for
helping
people
get
around,
and
that's
particularly
focused
at
people
who
don't
regularly
use
the
bus
service
that
will
have
a
color
coded
scheme
for
for
for
bus
services.
J
We'll
have
more
real-time
information
displays
in
the
city
center
and
around
on
the
on
the
corridors
and
in
local
centers,
so
that
people
can
can
can
can
work
with
and
understand
how
to
use
a
bus.
Better
is
is
what
we've
been
trying
to
do:
lots
of
investment
in
new
buses,
two-thirds
of
the
the
new
buses
that
that
that
are
factored
into
the
the
public
transport
improvement
program
are
actually
out
in
operation.
J
I
I
I
won't
take
first
colleagues
as
thunder.
I'm
sure
that
they
can
talk
about
the
new
electric
buses,
which
I
think
started
operation
on
service
five,
which
is
a
city
center
loop
yesterday,
and
we've
got
new
services
to
and
from
the
airport,
with
new
branded
and
more
direct
services
to
and
from
the
airport
and
a
stern
parking
ride
will
be
an
all
electric
car
coming
out
of
the
electric
buses
when
that
opens
next
year.
J
We're
working
when
it's
when
it's
appropriate
to
encourage
more
under
19s
to
use
the
bus.
We've
we're
working
on
a
fair
deal,
which
we
hope
to
be
able
to
announce
in
a
couple
of
weeks
time
and
to
encourage
more
under-19s
to
to
use
the
bus
and
and
get
that
sort
of
bus
habit
amongst
younger
people
and
we're
very
mindful
of
the
fact
that,
as
as
office,
workers
in
particular
may
be
moving
to
to
a
blend
of
homework
and
office.
Working
that
they're
going
to
need
different
ticketing
products.
J
A
B
I
just
wanted
to
ask:
he
referred
to
the
lp
tip
schemes
and
designed
mainly
for
bus
priority
and
and
so
on,
and
I
just
wondered
there
are
several
schemes
across
the
city
which
have
been
put
on
hold
and
I
understand
the
reason
for
this.
It's
all
to
do
with
the
finance
window
coming
to
an
end
next
year,
but
I
just
wonder
whether
it
will
be
helpful.
I
may
have
missed
it
if
this
has
been
published.
B
J
J
So
I
think
that's
the
area
that
we're
seeing
the
grades
are
sort
of
suppressed
demand
at
the
moment
in
terms
of
council
buckley's
question
around
schemes
that
the
age
public
transport
improvement
program
came
with
a
number
of
conditions,
one.
Obviously
it
was
finite
sum
of
money
too
far
that
period
of
time
to
actually
deliver
those
schemes
in
in
2021
is.
Is
that
the
last
year
for
that
scheme?
J
So
there
is
an
element
of
moving
some
schemes
in
and
out
and
some
schemes
that
that
that
were
originally
in
the
the
leads
public
transport
improvement
program
have
been
moved
alongside
to
to
to
make
sure
that
we
develop
deliver
and
maximize
the
spend
on
on
the
time.
Limited
cash
limited
money-
we've
got
in
leeds,
but
I
don't
know
whether
gary
you
want
to
add
to
that.
I
C
Thank
you,
chair
I'll,
make
it
pretty
and
brief,
and
so,
given
the
impact
of
the
pandemic
on
public
transport
and
the
passenger
new
numbers,
our
urgent
priorities
to
protect
the
network
and
make
it
as
attractive
as
possible
for
as
normality
returns,
and
we
continue
to
press
the
government
to
give
us
greater
freedom
to
pursue
our
options
of
delivery
on
the
bus.
But
it
certainly
is
a
challenging
times.
C
So
our
aim
remains.
You
know
that
west
yorkshire
and
leeds
deserves
our
first
choice.
Bus
network-
and
I
want
to
sort
of
thank
and
councilman
we're
in
the
portfolio
holder
and
the
offices
of
leeds,
because
the
investment
in
lake
tape
had
we
not
had
the
panda
they
make,
I
believe,
would
have
shown
the
growth
in
patronage
through
the
shorter
journey
times
for
people-
and
you
know
the
investment
is
fantastic
and
it's
been
held
up
as
an
example
right
across
and
the
corporate
asset
program.
C
C
We're
developing
a
business
case
for
the
wider
bus
reform
within
the
government
strategy,
and
so
their
ongoing
pieces
of
work
we're
obviously
in
challenging
times,
and
we
have
to
react
as
quickly
as
we
can
to
anything
that
emerges
out
of
corvid
and
the
school
transport
was
challenging,
but
working
in
partnership,
and
we
didn't
have
many
problems
from
that.
And,
however,
the
funding
is
on
the
cliff
edge
and-
and
we
really
do
need
to
secure
some
sort
of
deal
from
government
just
quickly
what
an
enhanced
partnership
would
deliver.
C
A
Okay,
thanks
very
much
kim,
I'm
gonna
give
our
colleagues
from
the
bus
operator
sector
the
opportunity
to
contribute
if
they
so
wish,
don't
feel
obliged
and
just
to
help
I'll.
Take
you
in
the
following
order:
paul
dwayne,
alex
and
andrew.
So
paul.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
say
anything
from
from
the
first
point
of
view.
Obviously,
we've
had
the
wider
presentation
in
general
terms
from
dave,
but
if
you
want
to
give
us
a
specific
perspective
from
your
your
neck
of
the
woods,
I
think
that
would
be
helpful.
H
H
It's
been
collaboration
and
agility,
and
I
think
dave
has
demonstrated
the
collaboration
and
I
would
emphasize
that
which
has
been
probably
the
strongest
it
has
ever
been
between
operators
and
the
combined
authority,
but
also
the
need
to
respond
to
not
just
what
was
happening
around
us,
but
certainly
to
respond
to
the
government
guidance,
which
was,
as
I'm
sure
the
council
has
faced.
It
was
almost
incessant
in
terms
of
demand
for
service
levels,
demand
for
additional
safety
risk
assessments,
demand
for
capacity
movement,
so
it
has
been
pretty
relentless.
H
I
think
the
final
thing
I
would
say
is
around
staff,
and
we
can't
forget
that
the
staff
that
we
have
who've
had
to
work
throughout
the
pandemic
and
therefore
our
class,
I
think
very
much
as
critical
workers.
They
are
not
immune
to
what
is
happening
in
the
communities
and
therefore
I
mean
even
in
this,
this
second
wave.
If
that's
what
it's
classed
across,
where
yorkshire
we've
currently
got,
36
staff
out
of
about
close
to
2000
with
positive
cases
and
all
the
inference
implication
that
brings
us
for
self-isolation.
H
So
we
do
need
to
bear
in
mind,
of
course,
that
we
employ
a
lot
of
people,
a
lot
of
people
from
the
community,
and
we
obviously
need
and
have
tried
to
take
those
staff
along
the
difficult
journey
that
we've
had.
So
I
think
chair,
that's
probably
all
I
would
I
would
say,
rather
than
duplicate
what
david
said
thanks.
H
We've
obviously
got
extra
journeys
in
there
to
support,
as
dave
says,
a
drop-off
in
peak
time
demand
with
the
traditional
commutes
into
the
city
centres
and
also
normal
flows
in
some
cases
around
schools.
So
it's
been
quite
a
challenge
to
to
overcome
working
together,
multi-operators,
I
think
we've
we've
achieved
that
I'm
quite
proud
of
what
what
all
the
teams
have
achieved.
Nothing,
nothing
further
to
add.
G
G
So
we
are,
we
are
trusting
and
actually
making
decisions
to
provide
the
network
before
even
some
of
the
decisions
arrive,
and
I
think
that's
an
important
thing
to
thing
to
make,
and
I
think
you
know
the
the
the
bus,
the
bus
system
across
the
whole.
The
uk,
I
think,
has
done
a
very
good
showing
of
itself
in
terms
of
delivering
delivering
that
network,
and
that's
that's
equally
appropriate
to
what's
going
on
in
west
yorkshire.
G
I
think
the
ability
to
now
recover,
I
think
we
we
have
got
a
good
group
of
people
around
the
table
in
west
yorkshire
on
both
sides
in
terms
of
there
is
keenness
to
to
build
on
what
we've
got.
I
don't
think
any
of
us
are
accepting
of
the
situation.
I
think
we
found
ourselves
in
pre-code.
I
think
we
still
want
to
improve.
We
still
want
to
invest.
We
still
want
to
make
the
network
better.
G
But
it
was
our
drivers
that,
were
there
doing
that
and
actually
providing
assemblance
of
normality
to
people
with
buses
going
down
the
road
for
those
people
who
were
stuck
in
needs
to
get
out
needs
to
go
out
and
get
medication
need
to
go
their
supplies.
We
shouldn't
we
should.
We
should
somehow
find
a
way
of
of
remembering
that,
because
that's
what's
kept
the
system
going
and
that's
what
will
help
us
all
get
out
of
it
again.
K
Buses
have
continued
to
run
buses.
It
never
stopped
at
any
stage.
Yes,
the
frequencies
may
have
diminished.
Yes,
there
may
have
been
some
movement
based
on
demand,
but
just
to
echo
the
points
from
everybody.
Bus
operators
continue
to
run
providing
services
for
key
workers
and
and
the
children
in
times
of
great
uncertainty
stuff
on
the
front
line
not
only
from
operators
but
in
the
public
sector
as
well
should
be
have
been
recognized.
K
I
think
that's
been
a
great
success
story
and
and
the
partnership
approach
from
waika
local
folk
operators
has
been
fantastic
and
has
been
truly
about
providing
services
as
and
when
they're
needed
in
the
immediate
term.
In
recent
weeks
it's
all
been
about
home
to
school
transport
and
again,
that's
been
done
fantastically
well
priority
of
getting
kids
safely
to
school
and
that's
been
done.
The
messaging's
been
touched
on
some
of
the
the
national
messaging
certainly
hasn't
been
helpful
and
helpful.
K
In
the
past,
bus
operators
are
following
safer
travel
guidance,
there's,
there's
risk
assessment,
there's
enhanced
cleaning,
there's
increased
sanitizing,
there's
use
of
face
masks,
so
bottoms
are
operating
in
the
safe
environment
and
I
think
we'll
have
to
insofar
as
possible.
Localized
messaging
really
has
to
has
to
put
across
that
image
of
buses
being
safe,
not
only
for
the
people
who
who
rely
on
services
but
for
the
discretionary
demand
that
may
be
there
as
well.
K
That
car
use
single
car
use
has
been
has
been
rising
and
there
will
continue
to
rise
so
again,
buses
provide
the
solution
to
continue
to
provide
a
good
ad
quality
operators
have
invested
already
will
continue
to
in
that
field.
The
connected
leads
program
is
an
exemplar
and
providing
support
of
priority.
But
again,
what
more
can
we
do
in
partnership
to
get
people
on
public
transport
and
out
of
cars?
So
I
would
say,
that's
a
longer
term
ambition
and
remains
so.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
G
I
was
just
kidding
I
was
getting
in
first
for
questions
and
comments
to
to
everybody.
If
that's
where
you
are,
what
I
will
just
say
to
the
operators
is
my
casework
since
march
on,
buses
has
dropped
off
the
edge
of
a
cliff,
so
you
can
take
that
as
a
compliment,
particularly
paul
matthews,
because
most
of
my
services
are
first
and
I
don't
think,
we've
had
one
conversation
which
has
been
good
for
both
of
us.
I'm
sure-
and
that's
that's.
G
I
think
that
probably
comes
to
the
fact
that
what
we
are
led
to
believe
from
comments
that
were
made
by
senior
councils
yesterday,
that
traffic
levels
have
returned
to
around
90
percent.
Personally,
I
don't
see
that
on
the
ground,
but
if
they've
returned
to
90,
but
patternage
on
buses
is
only
50
percent.
G
You
would
expect
to
think
that
a
lot
of
people
who
would
normally
have
traveled
on
buses
have
actually
gone
back
to
the
private
car
and
are
using
the
private
car
for
journeys
that
they
would
previously
have
done
done
by
buses,
and
I
think
that
comes
around
to
ticketing,
some
of
the
ticketing
that
you
do
as
an
expiry
date.
I
think.
Doesn't
it
dave
in
the
sense
that
if
you
buy
groups
of
tickets
they
only
last
for
30
days?
G
I
think
that's,
probably
something
that
you'll
need
to
think
about,
as
people
are
traveling,
possibly
only
one
or
two
days
a
week
when
previously
they
traveled
five
and
possibly
six
days
a
week
and
just
a
comment
with
regard
to
the
messaging
which
which
paul
matthews
raised.
I'm
still
not
sure
what
the
messaging
is.
So
it's
not
getting
through
to
me,
I
think
you'd
say
the
messaging
now
is
only
travel
if
you
have
to
I.
G
I
thought
on
sunday
considered
going
out
for
a
day
out
and
I
thought
shall
I
take
the
bus
and
get
a
day
rider
and
see
where
it
gets
me,
and
then
I
thought
no,
that's
not
the
thing
to
do
and
I'm
not
I'm
not
covered
panicking,
but
I
did
consider
whether
it
was
actually
safe
to
travel
on
buses
just
for
for
pleasure.
So
perhaps
somebody
can
reassure
me
whether
I
should
be
traveling
on
buses
for
pleasure
or
not
all
the
comments.
Questions
paul
chair.
A
J
Councilwood
smith
mentioned
ticketing,
and
one
of
the
the
challenges
we've
had
over
the
whole
summer
period
spring
period
has
has
been
people
who
bought
annual
tickets
and-
and
none
of
us
have
known
when
they're
going
back
to
work.
So
what
we
have
tried
to
do
with
the
m
card
is
to
allow
people
to
sort
of
defer
that
the
lost
benefit
and
then
take
it
later.
J
But
but
we
we
have
had
quite
a
lot
of
people
who
are
who
are
asking
for
refunds,
and
we've
tried
to
manage
that
that
that
process
and
the
cash
flow
implications
of
that
as
best
we
can
longer
term
as
as
councilwoods
with
points.
As
that
points
out-
and
I
think
I
mentioned
in
my
presentation-
we
we
we've
got
a
different
level
of
demand
that
we
need
to
satisfy
and
people's
travel
habits
are
going
to
change
and
we
need
the
ticketing
arrangements
to
change
to
to
suit
to
suit
that.
J
I
I
I
do
share
counselor
wordsworth's
concern.
I
think
about
messaging,
because
I
think
messaging
in
this
whole
pandemic
is,
is
quite
difficult
and
and
people
sometimes
hear
things
within
the
messaging
that
that
aren't
there,
and
I
think
that's-
and
I
think
that
was
mentioned.
I
think,
by
paul
in
his
pace
around.
You
know
the
fact
that
there
was
a
sort
of
implicitness
around
avoiding
public
transport,
because
it's
a
it's
a
risk
of
of
virus
transmission.
A
D
Yeah
hi
a
few
comments.
Few
questions,
some
of
it
picking
up
on
what
counselor
was
with
said.
I
also
want
to
say
that
I
think
staff
have
done
an
amazing
job
and
keeping
the
buses
on
the
roads
at
the
very
beginning
when
it
was
really
uncertain,
was
really
helpful,
and
I
I
personally
had
people
say
to
me:
they
were
glad
that
that
was
still
happening
and
I'm
sure
staff
have
had
a
really
difficult
time,
particularly
with
the
whole
masks
issue.
D
I
I
know
that
I've
spoken
to
people
who
worked
on
buses
saying
that
they
found
that
really
difficult.
So
the
fact
that
they've
coped
with
it
all
is
something
that
I
think
perhaps
everybody
says.
Thank
you
for
a
few
questions
really
councillor
wadsworth
talked
about
people,
possibly
choosing
private
cars
over
buses.
I
mean
that
is
something
that
I've
heard
from
from,
certainly
from
people
taking
their
children
to
and
from
school
and
college.
D
I
wondered
if,
if
there's
any
evidence
on
that
that
that
people
who
would
before
covid,
have
used
the
bus
instead
because
of
fears
of
safety
or
fears
of
not
getting
on
a
bus,
seeing
as
it's
only
operating
at
a
50
of
its
capacity,
is
there
evidence
that
people
are
using
cars
instead
of
buses.
So
that's
the
first
one.
That's
a
a
proper
question,
then,
to
pick
on
up
on
some
of
the
things
that
dave
said.
The
first
one
is
about
the
network
navigation,
the
color
coding.
I
think
that's
a
brilliant
idea.
D
It's
really
easy
when
you
turn
up
in
a
in
a
brand
new
city
that
you've
never
been
to
before,
and
it's
got
a
tube
or
a
tram
system,
and
you
can
easily
navigate
using
that,
so
the
closer
we
can
make
the
buses
to
that,
I
think
is,
is
brilliant.
So
two
questions
around
that.
Will
there
be
color
coding
on
the
buses
themselves?
D
J
J
J
It
seems
to
be
a
if
you
haven't
done
it
before
you're
a
bit
wary
of
it.
If
you
once
you've
done
it,
it's
not
quite
quite
as
bad
as
you
felt
so
so
that
seems
to
be
coming
through
the
color
coding.
Yes,
in
fact,
even
just
yesterday,
we
were
having
discussions
with
our
suffragette
colleague,
colleagues
just
finalizing
what
look
what
the?
J
What
what
what
the
sign
at
the
front
of
the
bus
looks
like
in
terms
of
following
the
color
coding
on
and
in
terms
of
what's
inside
the
bus
and
how
the
the
bus
services
are
presented,
then
I'm
sure,
plus
operator
colleagues
have
have
that
in
hand
as
well,
and
I'm
gonna
sort
of
pass
on
to
to
bus
operator.
Colleagues
to
to
ask
answer
the
question
around
gathering
the
the
information
around
the
bus,
full
situations
and
addressing
that
thanks.
A
Dave
paul's
indicated
that
he
wants
to
to
speak,
but
I'm
quite
happy
for
any
others
to
come
in.
I'm
not
sure
how
conversant
you
are
with
the
hand
signal
on
zoom
indicating
that
you
wish
to
speak.
So
if
you
use
that
that
would
be
really
helpful.
But
I
guess
that
the
thumb
pull
was
an
indication
that
you
wanted
to
speak
so
fluttershy.
H
It
was
it
was
I
apologize
for
the
thumb
rather
than
the
hand
it
was
not
intentional
yeah.
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
just
in
terms
of
the
bus
full
situation,
I
mean
at
the
moment
it's
just
about
less
than
three
percent
of
journeys
are
indicating
bus
full,
but
clearly,
at
certain
times
it
is
worse
and
what
we
do.
We
do
use
the
data
absolutely
to
monitor,
where
we
should
deploy
some
additional
duplicate
journeys
at
peak
times.
H
Clearly
we
are,
we
have
constraints
in
terms
of
number
of
vehicles,
but
we
do
ensure
that
that
there
should
not
be
full
journeys
on
infrequent
services
in
terms
of
how
we
we
use
that
data.
We
use
the
data
quite
a
lot
these
days
and
the
data
is
very
rich
both
in
terms
of
dictating
where
we
deploy
additional
vehicles,
but
also
on
the
apps.
Now
you
can
determine
whether
the
vehicle
in
real
time
has
got
capacity
or
not.
H
So
we
use
the
data
for
that
purpose
and
we
also
have
a
space
checker
so
that
customers
can
go
online
to
determine
whether
or
not
it's
likely
that
journalists
at
a
certain
time
of
day
are
going
to
be
oversubscribed,
and
I
know.
Thirdly,
the
command
authority
are
looking
at
ways
that,
on
real-time
systems,
to
denote
whether
or
not
buses
have
capacity
as
well,
so
absolutely
we're
using
the
data
both
to
better
serve
the
customers
by
way
of
information,
but
also
making
sure
we
put
the
vehicles
where
they
need
to
go.
G
Yeah
likewise,
I
think
all
operators
now
have
information
on
their
apps.
They
so
they're
using
the
data
to
inform
customers
where
businesses
are
busy
and,
as
paul
says,
yeah
we're
using
that
to
inform
schedules.
I
think
the
other
point
to
make
is
these
situations
are
full
buses,
you'll
you'll,
find
that
we're
tracking
it
daily.
So
we're
we're
looking
at
where
the
full
buses
are
every
day.
It's
one
of
the
first
emails.
I
know
I
receive
and
and
and
you're
talking,
you
know
less
than
two
percent
of
all
journeys.
G
It's
it's
a
very
small
number
and
indeed
then
we
use
that
information
then
react
the
next
day
and
the
days
after
that
to
then
to
them
put
extra
buses
on
where
we
can,
as
paul
says,
we're
also
working
in
in
conjunction
with
the
coach
sector.
The
coach
sector
is
one
who's
seen.
Obviously
it's
it's
its
business
almost
vanished,
so
we're
working
we're
in
a
number
of
places,
with
a
coach
sector
to
to
add
extra
extra
vehicles
to
duplicate
ones,
particularly
around
school
times.
G
That's
that's
specifically
something
that's
happening
most
of
the
outside
of
west
yorkshire,
but
just
another
way
that
we're
doing
it
and
just
a
quick
response
to
what
councillor
wadsworth
says.
I'm
running
lots
of
half
empty
buses
to
scarborough
and
if
you
ever
want
a
day
out
on
coastliner
he'd,
be
very
welcome
too.
A
D
Nothing
I
want
to
pursue
it's
it's
it's
good
to
hear
that
data's
being
used
like
that.
I
mean
I
know,
having
downloaded
the
first
bus
app
myself,
which
is
the
it's
the
56
and
the
40
that
are
running
around
near
me.
I
I
think
it's
it's
really
helpful.
So
thank
you
and
and
the
private
car
data
I'm
sure
when,
when
we,
whenever
we
can
get,
some
I'd
be
really
happy
in
seeing
it.
G
Just
to
come
back
on
the
messaging
I
mean
I
mean
I
appreciate
that
we're
struggling
the
messaging
because
it's
changing
from
where
it
was
last
week
to
where
it
is
now
and
where
it
might
be
next
week.
I
I
think
you
know
it's
for
everybody,
probably
more
the
combined
authority
to
really
push
that
messaging
home,
because
you
know
I
I
was
still
unsure.
G
J
A
Thanks
very
much
dave
I
mean
I
have
to
say:
does
anybody
understand
any
aspect
now
of
the
curve
with
regulations
or
restrictions,
irrespective
whether
they
relate
to
buses
or
any
other
general
aspects?
It
really
is
a
very
difficult
situation.
Councillor
shahzad
your
hand
has
been
up
down
up
and
down.
Are
you
wanting
to
ask
a
question?
Yes,.
B
B
B
Are
they
looking
at
completely
dismissing
the
idea
of
devolving
buses
back
into
public
ownership,
or
are
they
pushing
forward
towards
this
enhanced
partnership
now
and
the
the
other
issue
with
this
is
well
with
the
statement
that
came
out
yesterday,
it
will
seem
like
people
will
tend
to
want
to
travel
back
on
on
on
on
their
own
personal
vehicles,
because
of
covid
and
b.
The
other
reason
being
is
this:
is
a
lot
of
people
were
avoiding
their
own
vehicles
due
to
the
climate
concerns?
A
J
J
J
What
do
we
want
out
of
buses
and
and
from
there
on
we've,
been
taking
a
step
at
a
time
approach
to
try
and
deliver
that
strategy,
and
the
first
step
was
was
around
how
we
can
develop
a
partnership
approach
with
bus
operators
so
that
we
can
basically
get
on
and
and
deliver
some
of
the
the
the
the
shorter
term
and
the
immediate
benefits
which
we
wanted
to
see
from
the
strategy.
And
so
we
established
a
initially
something
called
bus,
18
and
then
subsequently
a
bus
alliance.
J
And
I
think
that
I
think
the
discussion
we've
just
had
about
covert
actually
shows
that
the
the
strength
of
that
is
that
we
have
actually
been
able
to
work
very
closely
together
over
the
last
six
nine
months
to
deal
with
the
pandemic
and
the
effect
on
buses.
And
I
think
that
that
shows
work
where
the
partnership
has
got
strengths.
J
J
Should
it
choose
to
do
so
powers
to
franchise
bus
services,
which
essentially
is
a
contracting
regime
where
the
the
the
public
body
issues
contracts
for
the
operation
of
bus
services,
but
also
takes
the
financial
level
of
financial
risk.
In
doing
so-
and
I
think
obviously
what
we're
pointing
out
here
really
is
is
a
step
to
time
approach.
We
have
a
bus
alliance
at
the
moment.
J
We
we
want
to
move
that
into
an
enhanced
partnership
as
part
of
a
managing
ourselves
out
of
of
through
the
covered
recovery
period
and
and
then
see
where
that
that
that
takes
is
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
the
further
step
of
of
using
the
powers
in
the
the
transport
act
for
franchising
is
appropriate.
So
I
think
I'll
pass
on
to
council
groves
there,
but
that's
basically,
the
the
the
structure
behind
what
we're
seeking
to
do.
A
C
A
C
In
in
terms
of
of
the
network,
we've
done
a
network
review
and
I
think
when
the
connectivity
strategy
is,
it
goes
public,
probably
around
december
time.
It
will
show
that
we've
looked
at
all
those
areas
that
are
not
served
well
and
it's
the
aim
to
grow
the
network.
I
think
at
west
yorkshire.
I've
made
a
point
in
terms
of
funding
the
government
consistently,
but
actually
we
don't
have
a
mass
transit
system.
C
Yet
we
don't
have
a
tram
system
like
the
other
areas,
so
we
are
relying
on
both
and
the
network
has
shrunk
even
in
london,
it's
shrunk,
so
there's
something
fundamental
wrong
with
the
model
and
the
funding
and
to
grow
those
networks
and-
and
our
ambition
obviously,
is
we
want
a
clean,
green,
affordable
and
reliable
bus
service
across
west
yorkshire,
because
so
many
people
are
dependent
on
it.
We're
up
against
time.
Obviously,
corvid
has
set
us
back
and
we
set
up.
Apache
needs
to
grow
for
25
at
weiker.
C
We've
only
got
seven
years
left
on
that
to
deliver,
so
we've
got
to
go
faster
and
to
to
get
towards
that
ambition
of
delivering
that
25
percent
profit,
patronage
and
obviously
a
pandemic,
as
obviously
had
a
massive
impact
in
terms
of
public
ownership.
Obviously
you
know
the
government
and
the
government
legislation
it's
cumbersome
and
it's
costly,
so
we've
been
obviously
I've
always
said
to
the
operators.
It's
never
off
the
table.
Actually
at
least
council
we
did
say
about
franchising
to
get
to
franchising.
You've
got
to
have
a
three-year
process.
C
You've
got
to
be
able
to
prove
that
partnerships
haven't
worked,
and
I
think
now
what
might
happen
in
terms
of
we've
obviously
seen
other
areas
going
towards
franchising
and
we'll
continue
to
explore
those
options.
You
would
be
looking
back
and
presenting
figures
and
of
a
curvy
year
as
well,
and
so
I
think
that
work
will
have
to
be
revisited
on
franchising
because
that'll
make
a
huge
difference
so
in
in
terms
of
the
day-to-day
job.
C
There's
always
we're
always
looking
at
options,
but
actually
we
need
to
deliver
on
the
ground
today
next
week
next
year
and
we
need
a
transport
system
that
works
for
everyone,
and
the
partnership
is
is,
is
what
we're
working
towards.
I
mean
our
current
partnership
with
opera
has
delivered
many
benefits,
and
but
we
must
go
further
and
faster
to
achieve
you
touch
on
the
zero
cabin
you're.
C
A
You
thank
you
well
before
anyone
else
comes
in
we're
fortunate
enough
to
have
councillor
james
lewis
with
us
who
is
primarily
here
for
the
next
agenda
item
but
of
course
he's
our
clean
air
guru,
and
I
invite
him
to
respond
to
councillor
shazad's
question
about
clean
air
and
obviously
to
to
build
on
what
kim's
already
said.
James.
Yes,.
L
I
think
we
looked
at
two
sources
of
data
to
make
that
decision
and
as
people
remember
the
queen
ezra,
we
were
instructed
to
do
it
by
the
national
government,
so
this
is
a
joint
review
with
them.
It's
not
decision.
We've
made
on
our
own.
The
two
pieces
of
evidence
we've
looked
at
are
first
of
all
the
air
quality
monitoring
which
has
been
showing
actually
and
for
a
period
before
lockdown
started
the
air
quality
at
all.
L
The
places
we
were
monitoring
in
leeds
was
below
the
level
that
was
deemed
illegal.
The
second
data
we
looked
at
showed
that
the
share
of
vehicles
on
the
road
in
terms
of
the
vehicle
categories
that
would
be
charged
has
a
very
high
level
of
compliant
vehicles.
So,
as
this
is
a
buses
item,
we've
gone
from
2016
to
having
a
a
few
percent
of
buses
being
euro
6
and
compliant.
L
It's
for
hgvs,
it's
something
like
20
to
nearly
90
percent
compliant
and
as
council,
as
I've
touched
on
from
his
own
perspective,
we've
got
of
the
taxi
and
private
hire
vehicles
licensed
to
leads
council
over
two
thousand
of
the
five
thousand,
and
now
you
level
one
description
or
another.
So
I'm
very
clear.
L
You
know
that
some
of
that
shift
has
happened
because
of
the
grants
that
we've
made
available-
and
I
know
some
of
the
businesses
and
individuals
have
made
individual
choices
to
do
that,
and
we
are
again
record
our
thanks
to
that.
I
think
what
I
would
say,
though,
is
the
legal,
so
although
our
decision
not
to
implement
charging
zones
started,
the
legal
limits
haven't
changed
so
and
our
monitoring
won't
change.
L
So
should
there
be
a
a
backwards
shift
in
terms
of
the
vehicle
mix,
we
do
see
either
air
quality
deteriorating
and
the
number
of
compliant
vehicles
going
reducing.
Then
we
will
then
we'll
have
to
go
back
to
the
clean
air
zone.
I
mean
again
that
hopefully
that
won't
be
the
case.
We
have
asked
the
government
so
in
terms
of
funding
for
the
clean
air
zone,
we
had
an
implementation
fund
to
deliver
it,
but
we
also
had
a
fund
for
vehicles
of
around
18
million.
L
We've
asked
the
government
if
we
can
keep
a
further
six
to
seven
million
of
that,
so
we
can
continue
issuing
grants
to
operators
that
wants
vehicle
owners
and
operators
that
want
to
move
over
to
a
clean
vehicle
and
also
for
taxing
private
hire
drivers.
We'll
pay
the
leeds
council
licensing
fees
for
all
those
drivers
and
owners
with
a
vehicle
licensed
to
leads
council
who
moved
over
to
a
ulev
vehicle.
L
I
know
some
taxing
private
hire
drivers
are
very
angry
about
the
position
we've
got
in,
but
I
know
that
some
as
well
are
I've
seen
with
particularly
the
hybrid
vehicle
that
the
running
costs
are
lower.
So
it's
definitely
ups
and
downs
on
that.
Finally,
we've
never
said
that
the
air
pollution
limit
written
in
the
law
is
good
enough.
L
Having
believed
we've
achieved
that
we
will
be
bringing
back
work
in
the
new
year
and
obviously
be
working
with
kim
and
the
combined
authority
and
all
the
vehicle
operators
about
what
some
of
the
about?
What
some
of
the
next
steps
to
see
the
continual
improvement
in
air
quality?
We
won't
have
the
we
won't,
have
the
the
clean
air
zone
charges.
L
There
is
a
as
a
tool
because
they
are
very
much
set
by
the
national
government
around
the
legal
level,
but
looking
to
do
what
we
can
do
on
a
voluntary
basis.
So
again,
working
like
I
said
we
want
to
hopefully
still
have
grants
of
vehicle
operators.
Some
of
the
improvements
like
the
park
and
rides
that
limit
the
number
of
people
who
drive
into
the
city
centre
have
made
a
difference
against
some
of
the
ongoing
improvements.
A
No,
but
I'm
sure
I'm
I'm
sure,
I'm
sure
members
will
share
my
view
that
that
was
a
very
detailed
and
useful
update
on
the
situation.
I
just
wonder
whether
the
information
that
you've
given
is
is
kind
of
updated
in
any
way
that
could
be
circulated
because,
obviously
it's
a
lot
to
digest
what
you've.
What
you've
just
told
us.
L
A
K
Thank
you,
chen
can
I
just
thank
councillor.
It
was
for
the
update
on
the
clean
air
zone
so
councillors
I'm
work
for
cpt,
the
the
trade
association,
so
we've
worked
very
constructively
with
colleagues
at
lead
city
council
throughout
and
I'm
I'm
pleased.
You've
acknowledged
the
investment
from
from
operators
and
also
I'd
agree
that
we
shouldn't
take
our
eye
off
the
ball,
and
earlier
I'd
made
the
comment
that
we
should
be
looking
collectively
at
model
shift.
K
So
you
may
not
want
to
look
at
hard
measures
to
stop
cars
and
also
there's
an
excellent
parking
rate
scheme
and
leads
which
is
which
has
been
built
upon
as
well.
But
I
would
also
ask
in
longer
term
what
softer
measures
could
be
available.
Any
of
us
could
quite
happily
drive
into
leeds
city
center
and
park
at
a
relatively
reasonable
rate,
so
I
would
just
put
model
shift
and
what
we
can
do
collectively
in
the
longer
term,
on
the
agenda
thanks
chair.
A
B
I
just
thought
of
the
council
that
we
carry
on
pursuing
that
because
I
sit
on
the
climate
emergency
committee
as
well,
so
we
need
to
keep
on
influencing
a
better
cleaner
as
one
for
everyone,
and
the
other
final
question
to
queer
to
kim
is
to
council
kim
groves
is
that
a
lot
of
our
bus
services
are
not
going
to
where
our
key
employees
are
and
what
what
we're
doing
about
that,
especially
to
the
hospitals
and
and
to
the
universities.
People
I
mean.
B
I
know,
we've
got
the
regular
service
from
headingley
to
the
universities,
but
from
the
other
areas
you
either
have
to
catch
two
buses
to
get
to
the
university.
Why
the
two
buses
to
get
to
any
of
the
hospitals
in
the
city-
and
I
hope
the
ongoing
enhanced
partnership
that
we're
looking
at
getting
into
is
going
to
improve
that
service,
because
it's
really
needed.
Thank.
C
A
Okay,
thanks
very
much
kim
now,
I'm
going
to
let
councillor
neil
dawson
come
in,
but
then
I've
got
to
pull
you
back
to
going
through
the
recommendations
and
the
upgrade
updates
and
our
view
on
progress
or
otherwise.
So
I'm
not
going
to
allow
any
more
questions
other
than
perhaps
on
the
points
within
that
neil.
E
E
Yeah,
I
think
one
issue
that
comes
up
in
the
papers
and
it
might
be
in
the
recommendations,
but
I'd
like
to
bring
up
now
is
about.
I
think
council
is
addressed
about
zonal
charging
for
bus
services
and
I
think
somewhere
in
the
papers.
It
refers
to
a
meeting
in
january
when
this
was
to
be
discussed.
I
don't
know
if
this
was
in
next
january
or
the
january
that's
gone
this
year.
J
Dave,
I
think
what
the
papers
might
refer
to
is
it.
We
will
we're
we're
talking
and
finalizing
arrangements
with
bus
operators
for
a
flat
fare
or
a
simple
affair.
Should
we
say
system
for
for
under
19s,
where
they,
the
combined
authority,
directly
subsidize
the
the
fares
for
for
under
19s
and
two
and
basically
a
structure
that
that
encourages
more
under
19s
to
travel
and
addresses
the
sort
of
affordability
of
of
that
for
them
bus
fares
are
set
by
by
bus
companies.
J
That's
what
the
sort
of
legislation
sets
out.
What
we
do
do
is
work
with
the
bus
companies
and
the
train
companies
on
on
the
multi-operator
multimodal
m
card
tickets,
which
which
are
in
some
respects
at
the
moment
across
west
yorkshire,
rather
than
necessarily
across
the
city,
but
I
think
council
dawson
makes
it
makes
it
a
strong
point,
because
I
think
I
think
we
sort
of
alluded
to
it.
E
C
A
I
think
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
might
have
emerged
from
discussion
of
these
individual
recommendations
has
now
been
touched
on
as
the
discussion
on
kobe
kind
of
mushroomed
out
into
everything
else,
so
recommendation
one
I'm
going
to
go
through
each
of
the
recommendations
shout
up
if
you
want
to
make
any
points
or
ask
any
questions.
Otherwise,
I'm
just
going
to
move
straight
for
straight
to
the
the
position
status
so
recommendation,
one.
A
The
position
status
recommendation
is
that
it's
a
foreign,
in
other
words,
that
adequate
progress
is
being
made
and
that
we'll
continue
to
monitor.
But
I
think
one
of
the
main
issues
ie,
that
of
bush
franchising
and
the
bus
services
act
has
already
been
explored.
So
is
that
okay
I'll
take
silence
as
acquiescence.
A
Moving
on
to
recommendation
two
again,
the
position
status
recommendation
is
four
on
that.
Does
anyone
have
any
comments
on
it?
Questions
if
not
recommendation
3
was
previously
achieved,
although
obviously
the
challenge
of
congestion
is
an
ongoing
one.
So
we'll
obviously
revisit
that,
not
necessarily
as
part
of
the
bus
inquiry
but
possibly
updates
on
on
l-tip
recommendation
for
again.
The
suggestion
here
is
that
it's
status,
four,
that
okay,
a
recommendation.
Five.
A
A
Yeah,
I
mean
I
think
most
of
our
discussions
have
touched
upon
this
one
anyway.
That's
the
position
status
for,
if
that's,
okay
with
everybody,
yeah,
okay
recommendation,
seven,
that's
another
four,
any
other
points
on
that
which
we
haven't
already
covered:
nope,
okay
and
recommendation;
eight
again,
another
four.
A
If
that's
okay
and
finally,
recommendation
nine
and
again
a
recommendation
there,
there's
that's
a
four
okay
with
no
other
questions
or
comments
arising
from
that.
It
just
remains
for
me
to
thank
everybody
for
their
contribution,
that
our
guests
and
obviously
executive
board
members
and
kim's,
chair
of
weicker
transport
committee
for
their
contribution
highly
valued
and
stay
safe.
But
if
you
want
to
leave
the
meeting
now,
of
course,
we're
more
than
happy
for
you
to
do
so.
C
A
You
everybody
thank
you,
chair.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
that
moves
us
on
to
the
discussion
about
the
budget
and,
of
course,
members
will
be
aware
that
this
is
quite
a
movable
feast
at
the
moment
and
that
we
had
a
working
group
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
to
examine
the
budget
proposals
that
have
gone
to
executive
ord
at
that
time.
As
we
know,
this
is
an
ongoing
process
that
will
take
another
couple
of
months
and
we'll
be
looking
at
it
again
in
due
course.
A
L
A
M
A
J
A
A
I
M
A
A
F
A
F
A
M
M
That
would
mean
city
development
budget
being
saved
three
times
over
and
there'd
still
be
five
million
required
to
achieve
that
hundred
and
nineteen
million.
So
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
helpful
context
in
in
in
helping
to
demonstrate
the
scale
of
the
saving
proposals
that
need
to
be
brought
forward
and
as
a
consequence
of
that,
we've
looked
at
all
parts
of
the
directorate's
operations
to
ensure
that
the
directorate
can
bring
forward
savings
proposals
that
meet
the
required
targets.
M
So
we
can
contribute
towards
that
119
million
pound
gap,
so
within
the
papers
that
you've
got
there
are
a
saving,
a
range
of
saving
proposals
that
have
been
brought
forward
and
if,
if
I
briefly
go
through
them,
the
first
one
is
savings
from
reduction
in
the
council's
core
office
base
and
that's
about
scheduled
236
000
pounds.
I'm
not
clear
sure
whether
asset
management
falls
in
this
scrutiny
or
resources.
Scrutiny,
but
I'll
raise
it
here.
M
If
there
are
any
questions,
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
them
and
then
in
terms
of
asset
management
and
regeneration,
there's
also
staffing
savings
through
voluntary
means
and
other
expenditure
savings
that
are
outlined
at
700,
000
pounds
and
general
reductions
in
expenditure
budgets
such
as
consumables
and
training,
and
increased
capitalization
of
staff
costs
and
collectively
that
has
350
000
pounds
set
against
it
in
terms
of
capitalization
of
staff
costs.
We
do
a
lot
of
project
management
of
of
capital
schemes,
large
capital
schemes.
A
lot
of
them
are
often
externally
funded
and
we
are.
M
Also
voluntary
eli
early
leavers
proposals,
general
expenditure
reductions
and
some
areas
where
we
want
to
make
targeted
increase
in
income.
But
I
think
we
have
to
look
at
that
in
the
context
of
the
current
economic
uncertainty,
but
collectively
we're
forecasting,
200
000
pounds
there
on
the
employment
and
skill
side,
staffing,
reductions
through
the
deletion
of
vacant
senior
management,
post
and
reductions
in
research
and
evaluation
budget,
and
that
that
is
targeting
a
saving
of
a
hundred
thousand
pounds.
M
Then
in
planning
and
sustainable
development.
We're
looking
at
staffing
reductions
through
voluntary
means
also
areas
where
we
feel
we
can
increase
income
and
general
expenditure
and
budget
reductions
looking
to
save
350
000
pounds
in
highways
and
transportation,
looking
to
bring
forward
savings
of
900
000
pounds
to
use
of
balances
arising
from
development
agreements
and
also
reviews
of
our
current
charges
that
we
make
and
then
the
other
areas
in
that
list
is
business
as
usual.
M
M
A
A
And
I
think
we
have
noticed,
certainly
my
word
over
time-
that
it
becomes
more
and
more
difficult
to
to
get
responses
to
our
queries.
And
we
do
appreciate
that
there
are
fewer
people
working
under.
Even
more
pressure
even
prior
to
covid,
so
I
think
we
do
make
allowances
and
but
we'd
not
want
that
to
get
any
worse
in
terms
of
responding
to
those
issues
and
also
responding
to
issues
of
enforcement,
which
I
know
again
from
talking
to
some
members
throughout
the
city
is
a
concern.
A
F
Thank
you
chair.
Just
in
relation
to
the
issues
you've
raised,
I
mean
sort
of
planning
capacity,
more
generally,
just
to
reiterate
the
point
which
I'm
sure
you
and
other
members
and
other
colleagues
on
the
call
are
aware
of
we're
a
very
busy
service.
We
deal
with
a
very
high
level
of
planning
applications
over
8
000
a
year
and
at
the
moment
we've
been
dealing
with.
Obviously
the
changes
as
a
consequence
of
the
pandemic,
doing
things
differently
to
maintain
the
service
and
service
continuity.
F
F
That
approach
is
consistent
with
the
government's
thinking
in
relation
to
planning
reform
that
there
are
various
proposals
around
early
engagement
in
planning
and
also
better
use
of
digital
technology.
So
at
the
moment
it
isn't
fully
clear
what
some
of
the
government
proposals
mean
in
practice,
but
I
think,
through
the
service
reviews,
we
want
to
ready
ready
ourselves
for
those
changes
and
to
take
the
necessary
steps
at
this
stage
to
make
sure
we
can
continue
to
be
an
agile
and
resilient
service
which
is
delivering
on
the
council's
priorities
chair.
Thank
you.
I
Thank
you,
chair,
yeah,
very
similar
to
david,
really
in
terms
of
you,
you
and
the
members
here
will
be
very
aware
that
demand
for
our
services,
particularly
in
traffic
engineering,
outstrips
supply
that
we're
able
to
offer
really
in
terms
of
office
of
time
and
indeed
finances
to
actually
implement
things
on
the
ground.
But
we
do
try
to
prioritize.
I
So
I
think
bear
with
us,
but
as
I
say,
it
does
come
from
a
starting
point
have
to
be
realistic
here.
That
certainly
demand
for
our
services
currently
far
outstrips
the
supply,
and
I
can't
see
that
demand
dropping
off
any
and
with
more
constraints
on
resources
is
going
to
be
difficult.
But
we
are
looking
at
new
ways
of
doing
things
to
improve
communication.
As
well,
but
those
ideas
are
in
formulation
and
we'll
be
talking
to
our
executive
member
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks.
A
A
That
we've
lost
something
like
1.7
billion
in
grants
and
things
were
already
pretty
dire,
but
unfortunately
it
would
seem
that
the
further
extension
of
our
deficit
and
the
savings
that
we're
having
to
find
caused
by
loss
of
income
through
covered
and
extra
expenditure
through
kerbid,
without
wanting
to
be
too
apocalyptic,
he's
converting
a
crisis
into
a
potential
catastrophe
in
terms
of
local
government
services.
Here
in
leeds
and
and
beyond.
A
So
as
I
say,
it's
not
it's
not
saying
these
are
the
wrong
things
to
do,
but
it's
just
seeking
reassurance
that
you
know
the
fact
that
we're
here
to
serve
the
public
as
elected
members
and
officers,
is
still
at
the
forefront
of
our
mind.
Despite
the
enormous
financial
pressures
and
constraints
council,
neil
dawson,
you
wanted
to
come
in.
E
Thank
you,
chet
two
issues.
The
first,
I
think,
is
looking
at
some
of
the
the
detail
in
the
tables
car
parking
charges.
I
mean
given:
what's
happened
this
year
in
terms
of
car
parking
and
the
impacts
of
the
city
centre,
is
it
realistic
to
expect
additional
income
from
car
parking?
I
mean
it's
if
you're
the
one
around
woodhouse
car
park
and
the
daily
commuter
charge
going
up,
I
mean,
are
we
sure,
we'll
even
have
the
daily
commuters
coming
in
to
woodhouse?
E
My
second
issue,
chair
is,
and
it's
not
to
do
with
city
development,
but
I
noticed
in
the
communities
there's
a
suggestion.
We
may
reduce
our
grant
to
literally
credit
union
and
it's
just
a
concern
that
this
is
an
organization
that
helps
some
of
the
poorest
people
in
our
city
and
is
much
needed
in
the
time
of
financial
crisis
for
many
people.
A
Thanks
now,
I
think
that
that
second
question
just
slightly
move
beyond
our
remit,
but
that
doesn't
in
any
way
you
know,
reduce
the
importance
I
have
to
say
I've
got
a
vested
interest.
I
hope
to
set
up
the
credit
union
30
odd
years
ago,
but
I
think
I'll
let
james
che
chip
in
and
just
you
know,
extend
a
little
bit
of
latitude
on
that.
But
gary
do
you
want
to
come
in
on
the
on
the
parking.
M
I
was
gonna
say
the
car
parking
charges
falls
under
communities
and
environment
directorate.
So
it's
part
of
that
budget
proposals.
I
think
I
think,
by
way
of
context,
the
the
council
is
a
minority
provider
of
off
street
car
parks
in
the
city.
So
any
any
any
proposals
that
the
council
does
bring
forward
would
have
to
be
benchmark.
M
Benchmarked
with
what
the
private
operators
charge
to
make
sure
is
competitive,
and
you
know
I
think
there
is
a
a
clear
point
that
the
councillor
dawson
makes
about
uncertainty
and
demand
which
would
have
to
be
carefully
considered.
But
those
are
all
matters
that
I'm
sure
the
city,
the
communities
and
environments
directorate
will
will
consider
and
as
it's
brought
forward
through
to
members
for
final
resolution,.
A
L
Thank
you
on
the
credit
union.
I
think
a
couple
of
things.
I
think
firstly,
most
of
the
money
that
the
credit
union
handles
is
its
members
money.
Obviously
we
give
them
grants
towards
a
number
of
initiatives.
They
are
looking.
I
know
they're
looking
at
some
organizational
changes
and
they're
looking
at
which
I
won't
speak,
because
I
don't
know
too
many
details,
but
I
don't
believe
it
affects,
like
I
say,
the
their
mainstream
operations.
L
We
they
operated
for
many
years
without
council
support.
I
believe
we
help
them
over
a
rocky
patch,
but,
like
I
say,
I
think
they
are
their
principal
businesses.
Is
you
know
the
principal
financing
comes
from
their
own
members?
Money
through,
like
I
say,
the
operation
of
a
credit
union.
What
I'll
do
is.
I
will
dig
out
the
details
of
that,
for
you
nailed
it,
so
you
can
have
some
more
details
on
on
those
on
the
car
parking
one.
L
I
think
there
is
a
a
broader
issue
about
all
the
areas
of
the
council.
So
obviously,
without
going
through
a
local
government
class
101,
the
basic
you
know
we're
funded
by
local
taxes.
What's
left
of
government
grant
and
money
that
we
raise
ourselves
from
fees,
charges
and
services,
I
think
in
attempting
to
set
a
budget
for
21
22
financial
years,
so
anything
to
do
with.
Freeze
charges
and
services
is
really
difficult
to
predict
and
I
think
any
figure
we
put
in
there
in
any
part
of
the
council
we're
doing
it.
L
We
may
when
we
actually
come
to
finally
set
a
budget
in
next
february.
We
may
have
a
better
idea
of
where
the
land
lies
on
some
of
this
stuff,
but
you
know
we're
always
on
on
the
budget.
We're
satya
trying
to
predict
every
year
we're
almost
trying
to
predict
what's
going
to
happen,
18
months
in
advance,
because
that's
the
end
of
the
following
financial
year,
I
think
as
you've
as
he
pointed
out,
councillor
dawson
this
year.
It's
just
hard
on
like
to
say
those
fees,
charges
and
services.
A
Position:
okay,
thanks
very
much
james,
so
in
the
absence
of
any
other
indications
or
questions
or
comments
I'll
draw
this
attend
a
gender
item
to
a
close
and
thank
all
the
officers
for
their
attendance
and
the
executive
board
members
for
their
responses.
I'm
going
beyond
the
call
of
duty
in
the
case
of
councillor
lewis.
Thank
you,
everyone.
A
Okay.
Moving
on
to
the
final
substantive
item,
the
the
work
program,
I
think,
as
always,
this
is
just
an
item
for
noting
there
aren't
any
particular
things
I
need
to
draw
to
your
attention
other
than
perhaps
reminding
everybody
that
we
did
agree
to
a
working
group
on
the
government's
new
planning
proposals
which
will
take
place
on
the
21st
of
october,
where
I
hope
to
see
as
many
of
you
as
possible,
given
your
other
commitments.